The Megyn Kelly Show - Lessons For GOP From Crushing Losses, and Mamdani's Alarming Promises, with Sid Rosenberg and RealClearPolitics

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00:00:30.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.640 How are you feeling this morning?

00:00:47.160 Like shit?

00:00:48.500 Yeah, I can relate.

00:00:50.720 Last night was a total and complete disaster.

00:00:55.260 I realized these were blue states.

00:00:57.840 I don't care.

00:00:58.720 The margins are so large and Republicans lost across the board, everywhere, in every race.

00:01:06.580 There's really no good news.

00:01:09.400 Literally the only good news is how radical the Democrats are and how Mom Donnie will now be the poster child for every Republican to use against his opponent.

00:01:19.620 I mean, they'll all have to explain where they stand on Mom Donnie as he wrecks New York.

00:01:25.480 But the Republican Party needs to get its shit together.

00:01:30.400 ASAP.

00:01:30.920 I'm really glad we spent the past couple of weeks, as Sean Davis of The Federalist put it, policing some young person's group chat, what a podcast host said, and what the head of a think tank over at Heritage had to say.

00:01:47.820 I'm really glad that the Republicans devoted so much time to that.

00:01:52.200 That was a great move.

00:01:53.640 Terrific move.

00:01:54.440 Way to stick together, to really shine a light on what matters.

00:01:59.860 The Republicans like to lose.

00:02:02.000 They enjoy losing.

00:02:03.440 They enjoy when they are embattled and in a losing position and complaining.

00:02:08.260 They love it.

00:02:09.360 They do it really well.

00:02:11.260 Less good at winning, especially when Donald Trump is not there to get them over the line.

00:02:16.380 The Republican Party is not strong.

00:02:18.440 Donald Trump is strong.

00:02:20.340 Republicans don't know how to win.

00:02:22.200 They don't know who to run.

00:02:23.380 They don't know what to do when he's not, when daddy's not there, to fly them across the finish line.

00:02:28.680 And that's just been so obvious.

00:02:31.200 Meanwhile, Trump is all over the Middle East while people's groceries bills are still high.

00:02:36.120 They're still dealing with inflation.

00:02:37.620 They're suffering.

00:02:38.780 Like, that's it, okay?

00:02:39.840 Focus on domestic policy and on making people's lives better.

00:02:45.880 That's really all I have to say.

00:02:49.040 Those are my top-line thoughts.

00:02:50.900 There's a lot to get into on why this happened and so on.

00:02:53.320 But that's my top-line takeaway.

00:02:56.820 That and the matter of, you know, an immigrant invasion that has now given us a radical Muslim running the greatest city in the world into the ground.

00:03:06.900 That's where it's going to—he's not only going to be running it, he's going to run it into the ground.

00:03:10.700 And God help New Yorkers.

00:03:13.400 Thank God we got out.

00:03:14.340 If I had a nickel for every time my husband and I have said that over the past few months, thank God we got out.

00:03:20.000 Thank God.

00:03:21.300 Our old apartment building, which you could not get into when we first bought there many years ago, more than 10 years ago, now has, like, 50%, almost 50% inventory.

00:03:30.820 It's, like, unheard of.

00:03:32.560 They're fleeing.

00:03:34.620 Fleeing.

00:03:34.920 And not for nothing, but that building had a lot of Orthodox Jewish people in it.

00:03:38.220 I'm sure they're leaving for a number of reasons.

00:03:39.920 One, it's an expensive building, and I'm sure they have money.

00:03:42.800 Two, they're Orthodox Jews.

00:03:44.760 Who wants to be an Orthodox Jew under Momdani in New York?

00:03:48.580 It's insane.

00:03:49.320 And the Orthodox tend to be more conservative and tend to vote Republican anyway.

00:03:52.860 Anyway, this guy last night, the anger that he spewed, I mean, he dropped the mask immediately.

00:04:01.060 Momdani did.

00:04:01.980 Immediately.

00:04:03.320 He got up there and was all but rubbing his hands together, looking at his new power and what he's going to do to the city of New York.

00:04:12.940 God bless them.

00:04:14.040 I wish them all the luck.

00:04:16.140 And I'm worried on a personal basis because we go to New York, of course.

00:04:19.860 If you live anywhere near New York City, you go.

00:04:21.820 You go for shows.

00:04:22.640 You go for occasional dinners.

00:04:24.300 You know, your kids go.

00:04:26.740 I shudder to think of what he's going to do to it.

00:04:29.820 I mean, we didn't even tell.

00:04:30.680 We spent so much time on the socialism and his radical Islamist ties.

00:04:34.660 We didn't even really spend a lot of time on the fact that he's budgeting, he said, $65 million to trans anyone who wants it from in-state or out-of-state, minor or adult, on the taxpayer dime.

00:04:48.420 He basically wants New York to be a sanctuary for trans children.

00:04:55.620 Last night, his speech, he thanked every foreign nation known to man.

00:05:00.680 Like, the Senegalese, whatever, hot dog salesman.

00:05:07.500 The Nepalese cab driver.

00:05:10.360 That's who he sees as his constituency.

00:05:13.080 Meanwhile, he's up there talking about, oh, this is for the guys who got the scars on their knuckles and the calluses on their hands.

00:05:19.240 They voted against you, you cretin.

00:05:21.760 They all voted against you.

00:05:22.760 The working class can't stand you.

00:05:24.340 They're not buying your bullshit.

00:05:25.740 Because the working class never buys bullshit.

00:05:29.100 They can't afford to.

00:05:31.200 They actually have to struggle to put food on their tables and worry about their kids in school and going to a school that's safe and one that doesn't have 45 different languages coming from the teachers because of the mandatory immigration laws we have now.

00:05:42.300 They cannot worry about bullshit.

00:05:47.160 The working class did not vote for you.

00:05:50.160 They know you're a liar.

00:05:51.980 And as I've been saying, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:05:54.760 So don't spare me your speech about how there are people with the calluses on their hands.

00:05:58.280 You're from some rich Ugandan family.

00:06:01.160 You're not even born American.

00:06:02.900 You only came over here.

00:06:05.400 You have dual citizenship.

00:06:06.840 Your mother said there's nothing American about you proudly.

00:06:10.560 Your dad thinks we need to be sure to make sure that we don't unfairly castigate suicide bombers.

00:06:17.300 That's who you are.

00:06:18.700 The working class knows you're a phony.

00:06:23.040 The Democrat Party's a nightmare.

00:06:25.720 They're the ones who put New York in this position where we had to choose between a sex pest grandma killer and somebody who appears to love radical Islam.

00:06:32.320 And wants to communize New York.

00:06:34.720 OK, that's those are the choices.

00:06:36.400 Sliwa, you never had any chance.

00:06:38.540 And at a minimum, you fucked over New York by staying in the race long before you had any chance.

00:06:43.200 He's pulled, what, seven and a half percent.

00:06:44.920 The voting's not done, but it's going to be very, very tight.

00:06:47.900 It's basically one million for Mom Donnie and one million to Cuomo and Sliwa split.

00:06:55.300 But Sliwa got seven percent of the overall vote.

00:06:58.820 If he'd gotten out, if he'd said, OK, I'll work with Cuomo, I'll endorse him, I want a place in his administration, it could have gone the other way.

00:07:06.460 But he didn't.

00:07:07.920 He didn't.

00:07:08.560 And look, I understand he had no obligation to get out.

00:07:10.920 He's a Republican on the ticket.

00:07:12.700 But he had no chance and everyone knew that.

00:07:15.380 Everyone knew that, including Curtis.

00:07:18.240 He didn't care about effing over his city.

00:07:20.920 And his name is mud there, man.

00:07:22.540 Good luck to him.

00:07:23.220 He used to be greeted like a hero.

00:07:24.380 You see him on the subway, the Guardian Angels, they're there to protect you like a hero.

00:07:29.140 No more.

00:07:30.460 No more.

00:07:31.080 Except with the Mom Donnie crew, who I don't think is exactly his constituency.

00:07:35.860 I guess I do have more to say, and I'll say it over the next couple of hours.

00:07:38.640 But I want to get through this intro and then to our first guest.

00:07:41.620 In Virginia, it was a fucking nightmare, too.

00:07:43.740 That's three F-bombs in the first seven minutes.

00:07:45.680 My apologies.

00:07:47.000 Nightmare.

00:07:48.340 Democrat Abigail Spanberger won.

00:07:50.020 That was no surprise.

00:07:50.800 When some Earl Sears was losing, she came on here, spewed a bunch of bullshit about her internal polls.

00:07:56.060 Bull.

00:07:56.820 She got crushed by about 15 points.

00:07:59.340 It wasn't even close.

00:08:00.460 And amazingly, as predicted by MK Media's own Mark Halperin, Spanberger's victory was so large,

00:08:05.760 she easily got that absolute vile attorney general candidate, Jay Jones, over the hump.

00:08:13.200 He won.

00:08:13.540 Those texts came out about him wanting to kill Republicans for being Republicans and their children

00:08:21.240 so that Republicans would have to suffer.

00:08:24.800 A position on which he doubled and then tripled down in writing and by voice via a telephone call

00:08:32.400 to a Republican, to somebody he knew would not share his views, who kept hanging up on him

00:08:37.420 and trying to end the conversation.

00:08:38.580 He kept doing it.

00:08:39.280 He means it.

00:08:40.280 And the Virginia voters said, we're good.

00:08:42.660 Yeah, he's fine by us.

00:08:43.940 Sure.

00:08:44.820 He defeated Jason Meara as the Republican by six points.

00:08:52.800 I wouldn't stay in Virginia.

00:08:54.640 I would not stay there.

00:08:56.180 I've lived in Virginia.

00:08:57.000 I would not stay there if I had children in Virginia, knowing that the top law enforcement

00:09:01.240 official is fine if my children die because their mother is a Republican.

00:09:06.580 That's how he actually feels.

00:09:08.440 It wasn't a passing comment, a fly-by-night thought.

00:09:14.780 He tripled down in writing and by telephone call to a Republican to make sure she understood.

00:09:21.440 And the Virginia voters don't give a shit.

00:09:26.060 They want to see us dead.

00:09:29.560 They're represented by those absolute monsters out there celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

00:09:36.720 That they are with them.

00:09:40.100 They may not actually don the t-shirt with the freedom and the fake blood.

00:09:44.280 They may not be like Lucy Martinez in Chicago actually doing the gun in her neck, celebratory,

00:09:50.500 in front of the cameras.

00:09:52.040 But they're on the same page.

00:09:54.120 How else would they vote as their elect as their top law enforcement officer, a guy who

00:09:59.880 wants Republicans and their children dead?

00:10:04.720 Maybe they said he didn't mean it.

00:10:06.280 Based on what?

00:10:08.440 Based on what?

00:10:09.500 The fact that when he got caught, it became a national controversy.

00:10:11.760 He came out and said, oh, I'm sorry.

00:10:14.240 Bull.

00:10:14.880 You pretended to believe the apology because you just you vote blue and you don't really care

00:10:19.560 what happens the other side of the aisle.

00:10:22.440 Some portion of Virginians did reject him.

00:10:25.420 His margin of victory, Jay Jones's over Mieras, was not as big.

00:10:29.000 It was, you know, she won by 15 at the top of the tickets.

00:10:31.120 Bamberger, he won by six.

00:10:32.580 So there were some people of principle, some Democrats of principle in Virginia.

00:10:36.700 To you, I tip my hat.

00:10:38.200 Thank you for reminding us there is decency still in America.

00:10:41.260 And to the rest of you, I don't understand you and I can't relate to you and I have no

00:10:44.520 desire to win you over.

00:10:45.560 You're not winnable.

00:10:46.660 I only have a desire to defeat you.

00:10:48.220 That's it.

00:10:49.040 And we have to figure out how to do that.

00:10:50.800 Republicans, get off your fucking couches.

00:10:52.760 All right, that's four in 10 minutes.

00:10:53.960 I'm sorry.

00:10:54.660 But get off, get your fat ass off of the couches and get out there.

00:11:00.140 Work on candidate quality.

00:11:02.040 I'm sorry, but Winston Sears was never going to be able to do it.

00:11:05.080 She hated Trump.

00:11:06.540 She blew it.

00:11:07.560 She campaigned against Trump.

00:11:08.860 She was very anti-Trump.

00:11:11.040 The Virginia coalition that did get off of its couch in,

00:11:16.160 2024, they didn't, they didn't put Trump over the edge, but they, it was tighter.

00:11:21.540 Loves Trump.

00:11:23.500 Republicans can't win without Big Daddy.

00:11:25.480 Well, guess what?

00:11:26.080 And you're going to lose forever because he can't run again.

00:11:28.140 Down in New Jersey, another blowout, another blowout in favor of the Democrats.

00:11:34.760 Mikey Sherrill defeating Republican Jack Chattarelli by a ton, 13 points, 13.

00:11:43.180 Polls had showed the race within the margin of error in the final days.

00:11:46.540 Once again, the polls were wrong, way wrong.

00:11:48.560 Polymarket is the only thing you can trust.

00:11:50.720 And then there's New York City, which I got to already.

00:11:53.620 I'm going to show you Mom Donnie's, a little bit of Mom Donnie's victory speech.

00:11:58.560 Okay?

00:11:58.880 Like, this guy, he is so radical.

00:12:03.280 And we heard Kevin O'Leary say, well, he's going to be forced to moderate.

00:12:05.980 Does he sound moderate?

00:12:06.760 Because he does not seem to be headed down the path of moderation based on what we saw last night.

00:12:12.080 In fact, he went directly, like, that from the super smiley, like, social media guy who used to be a rapper and he's just going to be a mayor for everybody.

00:12:20.920 And, like, we can worry about the affordability to, like, the guy who loves the radical Islamist imam.

00:12:29.260 That's who he sounded like last night.

00:12:32.140 Listen.

00:12:32.380 As has so often occurred, the billionaire class has sought to convince those making $30 an hour that their enemies are those earning $20 an hour.

00:12:46.240 They can play by the same rules as the rest of us.

00:12:50.300 New York will remain a city of immigrants, a city built by immigrants, powered by immigrants, and as of tonight, led by an immigrant.

00:13:09.820 So hear me, President Trump, when I say this.

00:13:14.760 To get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us.

00:13:20.300 After all, the conventional wisdom would tell you that I am far from the perfect candidate.

00:13:29.720 I am Muslim.

00:13:34.320 I am a democratic socialist.

00:13:41.280 And most damning of all, I refuse to apologize for any of this.

00:13:46.560 One of the strongest voices, warning, about Mamdani, has been WABC radio host in New York, Sid Rosenberg.

00:13:56.880 Here he is Saturday at the Republican Jewish Coalition Leadership Summit.

00:14:00.400 Watch.

00:14:00.660 When this group gets together and talks about Israel, talks about Hamas, as important as it is, now it's home.

00:14:12.940 And when they took over New York City, which they're about to do in four or five days, the rest of the country gets a heck of a lot easier.

00:14:20.440 We all can't move to Florida.

00:14:23.280 I'm sorry, Siggy.

00:14:24.220 I lived in Boca for 16 years.

00:14:25.640 I was bored to death.

00:14:26.960 So, for some of us that actually like New York City, and some of our better states in this country, it's scary.

00:14:33.800 So, I think we need to figure out, as a group of strong and proud Jewish people, what do we do from here?

00:14:43.820 How do we make sure that this invasion doesn't continue?

00:14:48.460 And how do we make sure that my 16-year-old son, Gabriel, and 21-year-old daughter, Ava, can take the sixth train in New York City,

00:14:56.760 and wear their Star of David, and not worry about getting home safely?

00:15:00.640 And that's the least of our problems.

00:15:04.620 The Jews have a whole separate problem with this guy.

00:15:07.860 New Yorkers in general have a massive one.

00:15:10.360 What does he believe?

00:15:12.100 Who are his friends?

00:15:13.780 And why?

00:15:14.920 And what is his plan for the greatest city in the world?

00:15:19.540 Sid is the host of Sid and Friends in the Morning, and he joins me now.

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00:16:23.980 Sid, thank you so much for being here.

00:16:25.460 Sid Rosenberg, your reaction to this devastating development?

00:16:31.000 Devastating is the right word.

00:16:32.240 Megan, first of all, I'm really, really happy to be here.

00:16:34.320 This is a huge honor for me.

00:16:35.500 Thank you very much.

00:16:36.180 I got to tell you a quick story.

00:16:37.680 I'm talking to producer Allison before I come on.

00:16:39.840 And I say, you know, a year ago today was the day that President Trump won the election.

00:16:44.660 One year ago today.

00:16:45.760 I said the week before that, I spoke at Madison Square Garden at Trump's rally.

00:16:49.920 And I was in a column in the New York Times two days after that

00:16:54.300 for cursing more than anybody else on stage that day.

00:16:58.060 I said, how is Megan going to handle that?

00:17:00.360 He said, don't worry.

00:17:01.540 She curses once in a while herself.

00:17:03.740 It's another he said, fuck, four times already.

00:17:07.180 I know I'm in good company.

00:17:08.540 My mom does not approve.

00:17:10.400 My mom can handle any swear with that one.

00:17:12.580 She'll tally them up and call me.

00:17:14.120 Sorry, mom.

00:17:14.740 But it's what a day we're having, Sid.

00:17:16.980 No, you're right.

00:17:17.620 Listen, it's a brutal, brutal day.

00:17:19.540 You described it perfectly.

00:17:20.840 Virginia, New Jersey.

00:17:22.600 But here in New York, it's really scary.

00:17:24.320 Here's a guy that I describe in five words.

00:17:27.340 He's a terrorist.

00:17:28.540 He's a jihadist.

00:17:30.000 He's a socialist.

00:17:31.420 He's a Marxist.

00:17:32.800 And he's a communist.

00:17:33.660 And now he's the mayor of New York City.

00:17:36.800 Also, you nailed it.

00:17:38.380 Here's a guy that was smiling an awful lot.

00:17:41.000 He even went back on some of his prior statements, defunding the police.

00:17:45.440 All of a sudden, he went from a virulent anti-Semite to a guy that loved the Jews.

00:17:50.260 And last night, as soon as he won, as you pointed out, he had that angry, yelling speech like,

00:17:56.740 I'm coming to get you if you are a capitalist, if you are a Jew, if you love New York City, I'm coming to get you.

00:18:04.880 So, the people that did not vote for Mamdani, which is about half the city, by the way, Megan, a lot of folks, they wake up this morning and they are scared to death.

00:18:15.420 They are scared to death.

00:18:16.680 The economic implications are going to be brutal.

00:18:20.440 You know, 48% of the taxes is paid by about 1% of the people that live here.

00:18:26.560 Those are the billionaires.

00:18:28.140 People like my boss, John Katzmatidis, they're going to leave.

00:18:31.460 So, economically, it's a huge issue.

00:18:34.060 Jewish people like myself, all of a sudden, it's no longer safe.

00:18:37.920 There's about 10 different things to look at that say Mamdani will make Bo de Blasio look like Rudy Giuliani.

00:18:46.060 The young people put him over the top.

00:18:49.600 I mean, under 29, guaranteed they voted for Mamdani.

00:18:53.220 And up to 40, 44, they voted for Mamdani.

00:18:56.640 Anybody over 45 voted for Cuomo and a few for Sliwa.

00:19:01.400 But these young people, Sid, the ones in that first group, under 29, they don't even remember 9-11.

00:19:07.380 They don't—it's like they don't teach history anymore, and they have no personal memory of it.

00:19:13.060 And so there's absolutely no hesitancy about electing a guy who's actually close to a terror-backing imam

00:19:22.020 who testified for the blind shake who tried to bring down the towers in 1993.

00:19:27.180 That is all true, and they don't teach about this stuff.

00:19:29.900 You know, I've got two children.

00:19:31.340 One's 21, my daughter Ava.

00:19:33.240 She just graduated college in the U.K.

00:19:35.100 But my son, Gabe, he's 16.

00:19:37.140 He goes to school in the city.

00:19:38.440 They never teach, Megan, about 9-11.

00:19:40.980 They don't teach about World War II or the Holocaust.

00:19:44.120 All they talk about is slavery and civil rights.

00:19:47.980 They go it over and over again.

00:19:50.740 So they have no appreciation.

00:19:52.480 And look, here are the facts.

00:19:54.380 You're a 22-year-old girl, right?

00:19:56.380 You don't really have a job.

00:19:57.940 You get up at 11 o'clock in the morning.

00:19:59.500 You go to Starbucks.

00:20:01.360 You text all day.

00:20:02.900 You're Snapchatting all day.

00:20:04.780 Then you hit the bars in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, at about 10 o'clock at night.

00:20:08.320 And you go to bed.

00:20:09.520 You have an odd job that pays you very little money.

00:20:12.020 But don't worry because mommy and daddy are paying the rent, which is getting expensive.

00:20:16.360 But here's the good news.

00:20:18.040 I'm taking care of you.

00:20:19.720 So you're a young kid who's lazy, living in New York, who only wants to go out and party and have fun.

00:20:26.440 And Mom Donnie says, I'm going to take care of you.

00:20:29.880 That's one of the reasons why he's so attractive.

00:20:32.400 Here's the second thing.

00:20:33.880 Unbelievably, Israel, of course, has the most Jews of any place in the world.

00:20:37.920 Second, New York City.

00:20:39.640 It has become chic, Megan.

00:20:42.220 It has become cool to hate the Jews.

00:20:45.260 So he had two real platforms here.

00:20:48.200 A, everything's free.

00:20:50.020 I got you.

00:20:50.840 Don't worry, you young 22-year-old girl.

00:20:53.300 And B, if you're marching in the streets because Israel's committing genocide, I got you too.

00:20:59.280 It's brilliant.

00:21:00.260 I totally agree with you.

00:21:01.240 It's brilliant.

00:21:01.780 The anti-Israel hatred that's been growing, especially on the Democrat Party and New York is all Democrats, 100% played a role here.

00:21:09.240 There's no question.

00:21:10.460 And that includes a lot of American Jews.

00:21:12.640 Like, it's not that Jews couldn't be critical of Israel, but there's a lot of, like, self-hatred or self-loathing, at least in the vote, in the way they vote.

00:21:20.700 In New York, how could Jewish people in New York elect this guy?

00:21:26.440 You know, it's funny you ask that.

00:21:28.020 So I've been very, very critical of the liberal American Jew.

00:21:32.260 When I say critical, I'm nasty, okay?

00:21:34.520 I'm not nice.

00:21:35.180 So I get a text from my wife about two weeks ago.

00:21:38.440 She goes, Sidney, will you do me a favor?

00:21:40.920 You are Jewish.

00:21:41.900 They're Jewish.

00:21:42.740 Can you lighten up a little bit?

00:21:44.140 This is not BLM.

00:21:45.640 This is not, you know, the Democrats.

00:21:48.140 I said, Danielle, sweetheart, I will.

00:21:50.460 I'll try.

00:21:51.220 So I spent the last two weeks trying to be a little nicer to my brethren, my Jewish people.

00:21:55.620 And then, like you said, they go out and vote for this guy.

00:21:58.640 I don't know if it's 14%, if it's 25%.

00:22:01.380 It doesn't matter.

00:22:02.960 The fact is, there are Jews that are supporting Mamdani.

00:22:05.840 There are Jews that every day are in with the Israel is committing genocide crowd and all that nonsense.

00:22:12.680 So I don't know why they do it.

00:22:14.560 I think this American Jews, New York Jews don't care about Israel.

00:22:19.400 You know, President Trump on my show last summer said to me, he said, Sid, you know what?

00:22:23.720 15 years ago, the lobby that was the strongest in D.C. was Israel.

00:22:28.840 Okay.

00:22:29.220 That was the one.

00:22:30.240 You never heard a Republican or a Democrat ever complain about Israel.

00:22:35.500 He goes, now, no one has anything nice to say except for me and a few Republicans.

00:22:39.600 So it has gone completely sideways.

00:22:42.560 And the Jew in New York, what do they care about?

00:22:45.240 Their shul on the Upper East Side on Saturday morning, their vacation home somewhere in New Jersey.

00:22:51.660 They don't care about Israel.

00:22:53.200 They don't care about the religion.

00:22:54.740 They barely care about the hostages that, thank God, are home now.

00:22:58.800 So it is a judicial.

00:23:00.580 The liberal Jew in America is as dangerous as any group in this country.

00:23:06.160 You mentioned the young, like, disaffected person, like the young girl who, whatever, she can't pay her rent, but her parents have got her, so she's not worried.

00:23:15.060 Got a great soundbite for you on that front.

00:23:17.820 Independent journalist Nick Shirley spoke to one woman about affordability in New York.

00:23:22.100 And look at this clip, 9C, here.

00:23:24.040 And who are you voting for?

00:23:27.360 Um, I think I'm going to vote for Zoran.

00:23:31.000 Yeah.

00:23:31.440 Why do you think so many young people are voting for Zoran?

00:23:33.560 Um, I feel like he's the only one that's, like, coming up with, like, plans that young people have been, like, like, plans to help how the situation is in New York right now for young people.

00:23:50.480 It's so expensive to live here to even afford, like, to eat.

00:23:57.420 You've got some matcha in your hand right here.

00:23:59.640 Oh, yeah.

00:24:00.300 How much money do you spend on matcha here a day?

00:24:02.780 Almost $10.

00:24:04.640 Literally.

00:24:05.120 We should absolutely tax the rich.

00:24:07.920 They need to pay their dues for what they have done to the working class communities and people.

00:24:15.320 They should be the ones paying for majority of stuff.

00:24:19.700 Um, I am a student.

00:24:22.120 I don't have, like, a full-time job, so I will not be paying taxes.

00:24:28.160 Wow.

00:24:28.780 I mean, that is central casting right there, to your point, Sid.

00:24:32.080 That is, first of all, not exactly a mensa meeting, those two, right?

00:24:36.140 I think she said, like, 19 times, like this, like this, like that.

00:24:39.500 Um, but that's the issue, right?

00:24:41.180 This guy says it's okay.

00:24:43.600 You can be a student, and Sid Rosenberg, who gets up at 3 o'clock in the morning every day, busts his ass every day, has to get to New York City before 5 a.m. every day,

00:24:53.720 then takes a train and a ferry to get back to Queens sometime at night.

00:24:57.180 Don't worry, because Sid Rosenberg, because A, he's white, which has now become the enemy to America.

00:25:03.080 If you're white and you're successful, you're the enemy.

00:25:05.820 B, he makes a good living because he works hard.

00:25:08.140 He's going to pay for you.

00:25:09.580 So we're at the point now with people like Mamdani and in America, where if you're a hardworking guy, specifically white and successful or female,

00:25:17.960 we're going to pay your bill because we have become the enemy.

00:25:21.260 How about the number of foreign-born New Yorkers who put him over the top?

00:25:28.540 Only, I think it was 34% of those who lived in New York their whole lives voted for Mamdani.

00:25:35.520 And the vast majority of people who voted for him and put him over the top were foreign-born New Yorkers who wanted a foreign-born mayor.

00:25:46.200 Look, you said it at the very top.

00:25:48.160 You're right.

00:25:48.660 He thanked like 30 countries.

00:25:50.640 I didn't even know the name of two or three of these countries.

00:25:52.820 I swear to God, they didn't even exist.

00:25:54.900 I mean, and they live here.

00:25:57.920 Megan, they live here.

00:25:59.100 So, yes, he got the majority of those folks.

00:26:02.460 Look, every single exit poll, whether it was, you know, folks from different countries, even gender, he did well there.

00:26:10.920 Latinos, he did well there.

00:26:13.280 Blacks, he did well there.

00:26:14.660 But to your point, yes.

00:26:16.160 If you're from outside this country and you live in New York and you want to live the dream, the dream used to be, Megan, you get up early in the morning like I do, like you do.

00:26:25.360 You work a full day.

00:26:26.760 You're exhausted at night.

00:26:28.140 Maybe you can watch an hour of television.

00:26:30.020 You're full of sleep.

00:26:30.680 You feel good about yourself.

00:26:32.060 The new dream is you can do nothing.

00:26:35.180 Do nothing all day.

00:26:36.120 Watch Spongebob, maybe smoke a joint or two, have yourself a bowl of cereal and a nice lunch, and people like Megan and Sid are going to pay for you.

00:26:45.220 So now you can come here from another country and guess what?

00:26:48.780 Have the greatest life you can possibly have.

00:26:50.860 So we're so diverse already in New York, and it's getting more and more diverse every day.

00:26:55.960 They don't want Andrew Cuomo.

00:26:57.760 He's going to make you work for your money.

00:26:59.500 Or Curtis Sliwa, I guess.

00:27:01.060 They want somebody who's going to make their life as easy as possible, and that's this creep, Mamdani.

00:27:07.780 It doesn't work.

00:27:09.200 John Stossel, dear man, good friend, he does these great online videos, and there are two.

00:27:15.220 You should go to his XFeed, the listening audience, and look at the top two on how socialism has worked out in the past in America and elsewhere, and in particular, taxing the rich more to cover these new goodie programs or deficit shortfalls, whatever.

00:27:31.520 It never works.

00:27:32.860 The rich people always win.

00:27:36.060 They either leave or they get better at hiding their money, but they will not wind up footing the bill,

00:27:42.340 and he will not be able to foot the bill for these programs.

00:27:46.280 They will flee, just like the one smart thing I've heard Governor Kathy Hulkel say.

00:27:51.220 She's like, I can't raise the taxes on the rich people anymore.

00:27:53.880 They'll leave New York.

00:27:55.120 Already here in Connecticut, you can't get a home.

00:27:57.560 In the surrounding suburbs of New York, already they're filling up with expats leaving New York by droves.

00:28:02.840 Like I said, my old apartment building is, like, approaching more than one-third empty, approaching one-half empty, which is unheard of, Sid.

00:28:10.300 So you've got these promises of freebies that are going to make everybody's lives better, but they're not going to come true because the money base is going to leave, and they never work out.

00:28:19.920 And one other point, having just been two summers ago to Scandinavia, we went to Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, which are heavily socialist, right, especially Sweden and Norway.

00:28:29.180 Anyway, you know what they have?

00:28:31.900 They have socialism over there.

00:28:33.180 They have a form of socialism.

00:28:34.460 And you know what else they have?

00:28:35.680 The number one most use of antidepressants in the world.

00:28:42.060 No one is happy.

00:28:44.180 No one feels driven.

00:28:46.060 No one feels like they can improve their own lives.

00:28:49.220 No one feels like there's any innovation that they could come up with or that their country could do, which gives you a sense of national pride.

00:28:55.400 They don't have a Steve Jobs.

00:28:59.340 They don't have—Elon Musk is foreign-born, but now he's in America.

00:29:01.840 They don't have people like that because they don't have a society that can encourage that.

00:29:04.720 And these young, idiot New Yorkers have this utopia version of socialism in their minds that they're about to find out the hard way.

00:29:11.420 Never comes through.

00:29:13.540 No, the precedence has been set.

00:29:15.500 You know, you look at Fidel Castro, Cuba.

00:29:17.960 That was an unmitigated disaster.

00:29:20.800 You look at Venezuela, right?

00:29:22.240 Recently, Megan, Venezuela, a complete disaster.

00:29:25.320 Look, they're going to leave here.

00:29:26.840 There's no doubt about it.

00:29:27.800 My boss, John Casamitidis, will probably stay.

00:29:30.140 Maybe Bill Ackman stays, too.

00:29:31.780 But they're going to leave.

00:29:32.640 You know, I was talking to Rick Scott on my radio show this morning, the former governor in Florida, now senator.

00:29:38.460 He's like, Sid, come on back.

00:29:40.000 I know you lived in Boca.

00:29:40.960 Come on back.

00:29:41.640 I was talking to Sean Hannity last night for a good hour, and he said, Sid, come on down.

00:29:46.360 We want you back here.

00:29:47.320 So not only are people going to go back to Florida, but it seems like the Floridians and the people in charge, I saw Ron DeSantis last night, they want us.

00:29:56.520 So they actually, I guess the number is about 9%.

00:30:00.500 They expect about 9%, which is just less than a million people, to go to Florida.

00:30:05.500 Right.

00:30:05.680 That's a big number, Megan.

00:30:06.480 So they're going to leave.

00:30:08.060 There's no question about it.

00:30:09.340 And you're going to be stuck here with a bunch of people who are not American, with a broke, a broke city, and no answers.

00:30:17.600 And Kathy Hochul, she is every bit as bad as any bad mayor has been here.

00:30:22.280 She is an absolute horrible governor, right there with Cuomo, you name it.

00:30:27.940 Elise Stefanik cannot win that race soon enough.

00:30:30.300 And we've got to figure out, if a lease wins, if we've got a lease in Albany, Megan, and we've got Donald Trump in Washington, D.C., and in 2029, you've got me as the mayor, we'll fix New York.

00:30:42.780 God willing, I don't think I've been that good a person, but you got my vote, Sid.

00:30:48.080 Thank you.

00:30:48.900 Thank you so much.

00:30:49.980 I'm so sad that we're having this discussion instead of something that's more hopeful.

00:30:54.120 But it is what it is.

00:30:55.700 You've got to get real.

00:30:56.440 All the best to you, my friend.

00:30:58.040 You too.

00:30:58.420 You're great, Megan.

00:30:58.900 Thank you so much.

00:31:00.300 Great to see you, Sid.

00:31:01.640 Sid Rosenberg, everybody.

00:31:02.740 WABC, check out his show in the morning.

00:31:04.240 It's the best thing you will listen to.

00:31:06.100 He's just so full of personality and common sense and is unafraid.

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00:33:41.520 Zoram Mamdami winning in the mayoral race in New York City by overwhelming margins.

00:33:54.160 It was not close.

00:33:55.480 He absolutely crushed it.

00:33:57.200 Young people in particular running to the polls to push him over the top.

00:34:01.940 The turnout in Manhattan versus the last mayoral election was double.

00:34:06.240 It was about a million last time around.

00:34:08.340 It was two million this time around.

00:34:10.740 In particular, young people running to elect this guy and his promises of socialism.

00:34:16.420 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:34:45.820 Great to see you guys.

00:34:46.820 Today you had a big exclusive guest with Speaker Mike Johnson.

00:34:50.020 So nicely done.

00:34:51.680 Tell me everything.

00:34:52.680 How did this happen?

00:34:53.520 I want to talk about it all.

00:34:55.080 We got to do Mom Donnie, Spamburger, Jade Jones, Chittarelli losing to this Mikey

00:35:00.680 Sherrill, who appears to have committed fraud in her graduation.

00:35:04.200 OK, there's a lot to go over.

00:35:06.400 That terrible result in that one Georgia race where all three of those local board members

00:35:11.360 were were kicked out for the first time ever.

00:35:14.080 Was it an energy thing?

00:35:15.340 I don't know what it was, but Marjorie Taylor Greene was talking about it.

00:35:17.580 Steve Bannon was talking about it.

00:35:18.600 So signs of trouble in Georgia.

00:35:20.100 There's a lot to go over.

00:35:22.140 Carl.

00:35:24.860 You start.

00:35:25.600 The counterrevolution has begun, Megan.

00:35:29.940 It's it's in it.

00:35:31.520 It's hard for us to figure out what the real moral of the story is for the Democratic Party.

00:35:36.920 Abigail Spamburger is the generic Democrat.

00:35:39.800 She has she always votes Democratic.

00:35:42.400 She doesn't go off and talk about dismantling capitalism.

00:35:45.660 But she but she won't she's with the Democrats on transgender athletes.

00:35:52.300 And she won't even call for convicted sex offenders to be 58 year old convicted sex offenders

00:35:58.780 to be removed from girls, you know, little girls locker rooms in public pools in Fairfax County

00:36:05.060 and Arlington County.

00:36:06.300 And and she won.

00:36:07.680 And Mamdani, who fashions himself, he's kind of a, you know, revolutionary.

00:36:16.640 There's a lot of I mean, he's never done anything.

00:36:18.820 It's like it's like a theater kid pretending to be Che Guevara.

00:36:22.540 But but he wins big.

00:36:24.000 So the Democrats are going to, you know, the Speaker of the House told us that Mamdani is the face of the Democratic Party.

00:36:31.040 We're not so sure that's true.

00:36:33.200 But that's what the Republicans are hoping.

00:36:34.660 Well, that's right.

00:36:35.880 But the constant was, you know, the Democrats won.

00:36:39.700 The variable was which kind of Democrat.

00:36:41.760 And all of them, all of them ran against Donald Trump down, you know, city council.

00:36:45.880 Yeah, the answer is all of them.

00:36:47.680 So, I mean, look, I know and I see Republican spinners online and they're smart trying to say this is not your grandfather's Republican Party.

00:36:55.520 This party is as radical as it comes.

00:36:57.960 You know, Mamdani is going to be hung around like an albatross on every Democratic candidate running in 2026.

00:37:03.360 I get all that.

00:37:04.020 God, that's smart politics.

00:37:05.200 But realistically, every Democrat won.

00:37:07.560 The moderate ones, the radical ones, they all won.

00:37:11.200 And not only won, they crushed.

00:37:14.040 They outperformed the margins.

00:37:15.760 They outperformed the polls.

00:37:17.300 The races that were supposed to be tight weren't.

00:37:19.620 They ran away with it.

00:37:21.100 You tell me, Tom Bevin, why?

00:37:23.140 Well, because, you know, as Carl mentioned, so Donald Trump is a turnout machine, right?

00:37:29.840 We know that.

00:37:30.560 And when he's on the ballot, MAGA turns out, Democrats turn out, and you have these really close elections, which we've seen in 2016, 2020, and 24.

00:37:39.580 Okay?

00:37:39.920 But when Donald Trump is not on the ballot, right, Democrats still run as if he's on the ballot.

00:37:45.260 I mean, you look at these exit poll numbers.

00:37:46.780 I mean, all these Democrats, they were angry.

00:37:50.020 They were pissed off at Donald Trump.

00:37:51.780 And they all came out in huge numbers for Democrats.

00:37:56.000 But on the other side, Republicans didn't.

00:37:58.000 I mean, Jack should have really got 122,000 more votes this year than he got four years ago.

00:38:02.860 But he was overwhelmed by the fact that Mikey Sherrill got 400,000 more votes than Phil Murphy got.

00:38:08.560 She got 400,000 less votes than Kamala Harris just got last year in a presidential race.

00:38:14.380 So you had sort of a double whammy.

00:38:16.360 Democrats still operating as if Trump is on the ballot.

00:38:19.160 But, and Republicans, you know, not getting all of those disaffected voters that Trump brings into the process.

00:38:25.420 And look, this happened in the midterms in 2018, 2022.

00:38:29.800 I mean, this is a constant problem for not just Trump, but other presidents as well to try and, you know.

00:38:36.220 But I think it's more acute with Trump because he is so, he is the movement.

00:38:41.180 He is the man.

00:38:42.080 He's larger than life.

00:38:42.900 He's what people, he's larger than life and people love him.

00:38:45.240 And so, as a result, you know, what we thought was going to be a close race in New Jersey turned out to be, you know, just a landslide.

00:38:54.620 Crushed, crushed.

00:38:55.960 She did.

00:38:56.900 She, Mikey Sherrill, crushed Jack Cattarelli, as did Abigail Spanberger, who crushed Winston Sears.

00:39:02.060 I mean, it was just up and down the ballot.

00:39:04.000 Here's Trump, Andrew.

00:39:07.760 It's not too.

00:39:08.620 Take a listen.

00:39:09.040 And last night, it was, you know, not expected to be a victory.

00:39:13.940 It was very Democrat areas, but I don't think it was good for Republicans.

00:39:17.900 I don't think it was good.

00:39:18.560 I'm not sure it was good for anybody.

00:39:20.240 But we had an interesting evening and we learned a lot.

00:39:25.740 Okay.

00:39:26.160 And then he went on to say, you know, I wasn't on the ballot.

00:39:29.520 Like, that's the thing.

00:39:30.940 Like, number one, the shutdown played a role.

00:39:34.220 And number two, I wasn't on the ballot.

00:39:36.900 Now, is it, you know, somewhat narcissistic?

00:39:39.940 Yes.

00:39:40.320 Is it true?

00:39:41.220 Yes.

00:39:42.080 Yes.

00:39:42.700 We've talked many times on the program about how Trump made it kind of cool.

00:39:46.520 And I used to joke to be a Republican again.

00:39:50.260 No, like ever.

00:39:51.600 He made it cool to be a Republican.

00:39:53.360 But it's just him.

00:39:55.500 No one else is making it cool to be a Republican.

00:39:57.900 No one felt inspired.

00:39:59.520 I mean, literally no one by Winsome Sears.

00:40:01.500 And, like, obviously, Curtis Lewa was a non-factor.

00:40:07.340 The Republican Party is not strong, Andrew.

00:40:10.680 It's not.

00:40:12.180 Yeah, well, good point.

00:40:14.120 Although, you know, he also wasn't that involved in this election.

00:40:18.520 I mean, he didn't sort of appear with either of the good person.

00:40:21.120 Well, that's because these candidates kept him at arm's length, right?

00:40:24.060 Right, right.

00:40:24.560 Like Cittarelli and Winsome Sears.

00:40:26.260 Cittarelli, I think, was closer to Trump than Winsome Sears.

00:40:29.240 But she'd been dumping on him.

00:40:31.160 And some of Trump's most ardent supporters had been pointing that out.

00:40:34.200 She dumped him in 24 and in 22 loudly.

00:40:37.720 So no wonder he didn't want to put his arms around her and give her the big embrace.

00:40:40.760 Keep going.

00:40:41.760 Yeah, no, I was just going to say.

00:40:42.900 So, I mean, we really didn't run the experiment that he – because he wasn't out there at all.

00:40:47.480 So we don't know what would have happened if he had been more involved.

00:40:50.200 Although I would imagine that it would have ended up about the same.

00:40:53.600 I will say this.

00:40:54.980 I mean, I think that Gavin Newsom is the big winner of the night because –

00:41:00.320 Why?

00:41:01.020 Because he's getting five more seats out of California?

00:41:03.420 Like, now you're going to have districts that are entirely Republican with Democrat representatives

00:41:08.420 because they passed this constitutional amendment in California that allows him to redistrict it where he wasn't allowed to before.

00:41:14.020 And California and the Dems are going to get five new House seats out of this.

00:41:17.440 Keep going.

00:41:17.800 Yeah, but what he really got out of it was he emerged as the guy who really has stood up to the president in terms of national politics at this point.

00:41:30.140 He had all these other Democrats coming into his state to help him get this done.

00:41:34.840 And he got it done – you know, we went back.

00:41:37.380 If you look at the polls before when they announced Prop 50, it was not a popular initiative and ended up killing it.

00:41:45.520 And something like 80 percent of the people in the exit polls, at least according to NBC, said they voted for it, not because it was good for California, but because it stopped Trump.

00:41:56.640 Well, once again, but California is almost 40 percent Republican.

00:42:00.120 So where were they?

00:42:01.780 Why didn't they turn out to try to stop it?

00:42:05.860 Well, Carl might be able to speak to that.

00:42:07.860 Well, I'm out here, Megan, in California.

00:42:09.400 Those are your people, Carl.

00:42:10.900 There were no ads.

00:42:12.640 There was no leader.

00:42:13.360 There's no real leader of the Republican Party in this state.

00:42:16.340 They trotted out people like Kevin McCarthy, you know, who never ran statewide and was deposed by his own conference.

00:42:22.740 And Arnold Schwarzenegger.

00:42:24.260 I got some pushback from Andy.

00:42:26.540 But you had a whole generation of voters here in California who don't really remember Schwarzenegger.

00:42:31.440 I was the one who pushed back on that, Carl.

00:42:33.520 What?

00:42:33.980 You did?

00:42:34.720 Tom did.

00:42:35.100 I'm sorry, Megan.

00:42:35.920 That was Tom.

00:42:37.160 But his Schwarzenegger is also anti-Trump.

00:42:39.640 So it's like they're assuming about these California voters that they're anti-Trump.

00:42:43.220 And I'm here to tell you they're not.

00:42:44.600 I know a lot of these people.

00:42:45.960 They're listening to this show right now.

00:42:47.860 We have a ton of fans out there.

00:42:49.200 They are not anti-Trump Republicans.

00:42:51.360 But they're treated by people like Schwarzenegger like they are.

00:42:54.500 You know, like he's still the god of their party.

00:42:56.100 And he's not.

00:42:56.880 Well, the point was that they were vastly outspent.

00:43:00.700 All the energy here was.

00:43:02.180 And, you know, Gavin Newsom said this morning, you know, it was a 100-day sprint or something.

00:43:06.360 Whatever.

00:43:06.560 It was a 120-day sprint.

00:43:07.760 He sprung this on people so fast, you almost didn't have time to absorb what was going on.

00:43:14.360 There are 5.7 million registered Republicans in California and another couple of million who vote Republican, as you pointed out, Megan.

00:43:22.780 Now they're going to have four or five congressional representatives.

00:43:25.880 I mean, the neighboring state of Arizona has 1.5 million registered Republicans, and they have five, four or five Republican congressmen.

00:43:33.620 So what Newsom did and what the California electorate went along with was disenfranchising millions of people, basically not giving them any representation in Washington and claiming they're doing this under the guise of saving democracy.

00:43:48.100 It was brazen.

00:43:49.820 It was cynical.

00:43:50.680 And it worked.

00:43:51.600 I mean, it was a direct response to what happened in Texas with the redistricting there, which was all, I mean, like it was based on race, and they tried to rectify it, but it looked nakedly political, yada, yada, yada.

00:44:03.120 It resulted in more Republican seats.

00:44:04.800 Then Gavin Newsom said, I'll do this.

00:44:06.400 We're having the same problem right now on the filibuster, where you remember what happened when Harry Reid was the Senate majority leader.

00:44:16.380 He took away the filibuster for lower court judges so that they could get President Obama's judges confirmed.

00:44:22.880 And Mitch McConnell, who was the minority leader, said, you will rue the day.

00:44:25.440 And then the Republicans took control over Trump, under Trump, and they got rid of the filibuster for Supreme Court judges.

00:44:31.560 And that is how Trump got three of his confirmed, three seats on the U.S. Supreme Court, something the Democrats still rue.

00:44:38.420 And notwithstanding all of that, President Trump right now is calling for the elimination of the filibuster as a legislative proposition in the U.S. Senate, which would be a watershed moment for America.

00:44:54.140 Count me against it.

00:44:55.960 You need minority rights in the Senate.

00:44:58.140 That is just a dangerous move we do not want to take.

00:45:02.460 It's so short-sighted.

00:45:03.500 I understand his frustration completely.

00:45:04.980 But wait, let me go back to Mamdani for one second, because it's all connected.

00:45:09.040 I want to play you something Ari Fleischer said on Fox News last night, Tom.

00:45:11.800 Sop 20.

00:45:17.680 Mamdani will be the middle name of every Democrat running in every race around the country.

00:45:22.740 And the socialist win tonight is not over.

00:45:25.440 There's a race in Minnesota right now where a socialist may beat the incumbent Democratic senator of Minneapolis.

00:45:31.480 Keep your eye on that race.

00:45:32.660 Socialism is a growing problem for the Democratic Party.

00:45:36.980 And the more the Democrats embrace socialism with all the horrors that it entails, the crime that will take place in New York City, the abandonment of New York City by the successful, and the taxpayer.

00:45:47.600 This is what's going to hurt the Democratic reputation and base going forward.

00:45:52.480 It's hollowing out the Democratic Party.

00:45:54.660 I would so much rather, even with tonight's bad results, be the Republicans in the big picture than the Democrats.

00:46:01.140 I just want to say one thing about that Minneapolis race for mayor, that Omar Fatay and Jacob Fry, the, you know, George Floyd kneeling, mask wearing current mayor, are in a ranked choice voting battle right now.

00:46:17.120 Jacob Fry got, I think, 45 and Omar Fatay got 35 percent.

00:46:20.700 But you have to get over 50 to win.

00:46:22.400 So now it goes to, I don't totally understand it, but now they count people's second choice, and we don't know who's won that yet.

00:46:29.760 So we don't know whether the socialists won.

00:46:31.880 But frankly, both of them are equally far left and loons.

00:46:35.780 Good luck, Minneapolis.

00:46:36.920 They're your problem now.

00:46:37.960 In any event, go ahead, Tom, on that.

00:46:39.700 Everybody's going to wear Mamdani around their necks if the Republicans do this right.

00:46:43.360 Well, that's certainly the Republican plan, and that's what we heard from Mike Johnson.

00:46:47.420 I mean, he was very clear about that.

00:46:49.820 The question is, is that going to be a successful strategy in the long term?

00:46:56.000 I suppose if Mamdani wrecks New York City in the next nine months, yeah, it'll be great for Republicans in the midterms.

00:47:01.540 But what if he doesn't?

00:47:02.780 What if it's a slower process than that?

00:47:04.700 To your point, Megan, I think Republicans have to be pretty clear-eyed about this.

00:47:07.620 And Johnson was, I don't want to say he was flip about it, but he was just kind of like, look, I was bullish before this.

00:47:13.000 I'm bullish after this.

00:47:13.960 This was Democrats voting in blue states, and that's all it was.

00:47:18.760 And he said, the other argument he used, he said, well, our policies haven't even taken effect yet.

00:47:25.120 That's the one big, beautiful bill.

00:47:26.620 We're still not operating.

00:47:27.640 Those are going to go into effect at the end of the year, and then voters are going to start to see all these great things.

00:47:33.480 And I thought to myself, that's exactly what Joe Biden said when he was running, is that, you know what?

00:47:39.120 Voters just don't, they haven't felt my policies.

00:47:41.060 They need another year or two years or four years.

00:47:43.160 That's why I need more time in office.

00:47:45.040 And, you know, we're just not explaining them properly.

00:47:47.420 And if voters just, it's a communications problem.

00:47:50.180 And that does not work.

00:47:52.760 It never has worked.

00:47:54.060 And I think Republicans have to be clear-eyed about the fact that the economy was the number one issue in both states, in New Jersey and Virginia.

00:48:01.060 Inflation, health care was big in Virginia.

00:48:04.520 And Democrats were winning those issues.

00:48:07.480 And so I think Republicans have to be pretty clear-eyed about what happened last night and what they can do moving forward to put themselves in a position to win.

00:48:15.040 Totally agree.

00:48:15.660 Totally agree.

00:48:16.160 Hoping that Mom Donnie wrecks New York City is not necessarily a strategy.

00:48:22.020 That's right.

00:48:22.420 No, I so agree with you.

00:48:23.480 It's like I really have no tolerance for these Republicans who are, like, on the bright side today.

00:48:28.400 Like, well, what about this?

00:48:29.280 Well, these were Democrat states.

00:48:30.340 Of course they were Democrat states.

00:48:31.460 We knew that.

00:48:32.400 But you read the tea leaves.

00:48:33.620 Look at what actually happened there.

00:48:34.900 Why did the Republicans, same guy, Jack Cittarelli, come within three points of defeating the Democrat opponent he faced four years ago and got trounced by some 15 points today?

00:48:45.000 Why?

00:48:45.740 Maybe that's a trend we should pay some attention to before we go into the midterms.

00:48:50.200 I mean, as much as you want to make yourself feel better with your comfy white blanket, that it's only, oh, it's like the blue states, that's a very dangerous strategy I'm sure the Democrats would love for these Republican naval gazers to pursue.

00:49:01.960 So, this just in, breaking news, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry has been elected to a third term, defeating State Senator Omar Fattah by six percentage points on the second ballot.

00:49:13.180 So, literally, as I was saying what I was saying, that crossed the wires.

00:49:17.460 They did the second vote, whatever.

00:49:20.100 The people don't actually vote, but they look at what their second choice was.

00:49:23.540 And so now that guy, Omar Fattah, whose campaign rallies actually look like you were in Somalia.

00:49:29.900 If you don't need to go to Somalia, you just watch one of this guy's campaign rallies and listen, and it's like you've been there.

00:49:37.360 Thank God he's been defeated.

00:49:39.060 But we've had many Muslims win all over Maine.

00:49:42.140 By the way, what's going on with Maine?

00:49:43.360 Many Muslims took office there.

00:49:45.160 Muslims now running the greatest and biggest jewel that America has, New York City.

00:49:50.980 And it came very close in Minneapolis.

00:49:52.640 And, of course, one is running Dearborn, Michigan.

00:49:54.240 And, look, the audience knows how I feel about this.

00:49:57.860 How much time do I have here, Steve, before we have to take a break?

00:50:01.000 Too hard.

00:50:01.660 All right.

00:50:01.840 I'm going to hold this until the opposite end because I've got another thing I want to run by you.

00:50:06.400 But he's got a point, is he not, Carl, that, like, the Republicans, they're going to—we're never going to stop hearing about Mom Donnie.

00:50:12.940 But think about, like, the Virginia race.

00:50:14.360 If you just went to Abigail Spamburger, who is like a piece of Melba toast, and tried to make her into Mom Donnie, it would not have worked.

00:50:23.840 Well, the Democrats didn't have to do anything.

00:50:26.960 This is the—she ran this rope-a-dope campaign where it was hard to even know what she believed in.

00:50:32.820 And they kept hitting her with these ads about Jay Jones, you know, his fantasies about murdering children.

00:50:44.680 They hit her about this 58-year-old sex offender wandering into a girl's locker room and the mother hiding her seven-year-old in a public swimming pool.

00:50:53.680 And he said, oh, I'm a woman now.

00:50:55.240 And she wouldn't engage on that.

00:50:57.520 And she ran this very safe campaign because she knew what was going on.

00:51:01.940 Her polls and the public polls showed the same thing.

00:51:04.740 She didn't have to do anything to win.

00:51:07.080 And so, you know, Mom Donnie wasn't a different thing.

00:51:09.280 He came out of nowhere.

00:51:10.280 He was kind of an energetic demagogue.

00:51:13.960 But the constant is whatever—you know, the constant is the Democrat won, whatever kind of campaign they won.

00:51:20.760 And to say that we're going to make Mom Donnie the face of the party, first of all, to Tom's point,

00:51:26.100 I don't hope he wrecks the city of New York.

00:51:28.940 What kind of position Republicans put them in, put themselves in where they have to root for the failure of a great American city?

00:51:37.480 And secondly, he seems a little—he's not an emperor of New York.

00:51:43.020 He's a mayor of New York.

00:51:43.980 New York's a pretty resilient city.

00:51:45.660 I was telling him.

00:51:45.980 Oh, but he was talking about it.

00:51:47.840 It's resilient, but it's already staggering.

00:51:50.580 It's like the, you know, war scene.

00:51:53.860 You've already taken several shots, and you're on your last leg, and now we take this one.

00:51:58.500 That's the problem.

00:51:59.360 Stand by.

00:51:59.800 We'll be right back.

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00:53:27.920 The guys from Real Clear Politics are back with me.

00:53:30.600 Guys, I was just thinking to myself, it's so cathartic to be on the air like this after

00:53:34.720 an election night because when I was at Fox, you know, I was in this straight news role

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00:53:53.480 Um, okay, let's, you mentioned something about Mamdani and government and, like, he's not a king.

00:53:59.980 He thinks he is.

00:54:01.540 The No Kings crowd certainly, uh, responded to his king-like messaging.

00:54:06.240 Listen to this terrifying bit of predictions by him.

00:54:10.220 Sat Five.

00:54:10.800 An agenda that will freeze the rents for more than two million rent-stabilized tenants.

00:54:23.180 Make buses fast and free.

00:54:27.960 Oh, great.

00:54:28.920 Universal child care across our city.

00:54:31.760 Good luck.

00:54:32.500 We will hire thousands more teachers.

00:54:38.900 We will cut waste from a bloated bureaucracy.

00:54:42.540 Sure.

00:54:43.660 We will prove that there is no problem too large for government to solve and no concern too small

00:54:50.360 for it to care about.

00:54:52.000 Whoa.

00:54:53.120 What?

00:54:53.860 Wow.

00:54:54.980 Andrew, that's a problem.

00:54:57.380 Yeah.

00:54:57.700 Um, well, it's socialism, uh, is what he's describing.

00:55:02.540 There's no doubt about that.

00:55:04.700 He's got, there's a couple issues.

00:55:06.860 One is that a lot of the stuff he can't do.

00:55:09.440 I mean, the, uh, he can't raise taxes.

00:55:11.400 That's something that the, uh, governor's got to do.

00:55:13.660 And she's already said she's not going to do it.

00:55:15.720 As far as the free, uh, buses go, there's a transport board and there's bonds involved.

00:55:20.840 It's, it's kind of complicated.

00:55:22.900 I like, by the way, how's he going to make buses faster?

00:55:25.260 Like, where does he get that power?

00:55:27.920 I know, I know the answer to this.

00:55:29.720 Do you want to know what the theory is?

00:55:30.840 The theory is that by people not having to put money in, that will make it faster and

00:55:36.280 easier for the buses to run.

00:55:38.480 Did you eliminate that?

00:55:39.600 I'm happy to hear you say that, Andy.

00:55:41.180 I thought they were going to run over pedestrians.

00:55:43.000 This is better.

00:55:43.940 They already do that.

00:55:45.240 Have you ever stood on a corner in New York when the bus is going by?

00:55:49.680 There's not even half an inch between the bus, its wheels, and you, you, you have a kid.

00:55:56.380 And trust me, I had three kids who are, all of whom were spent there zero to 10 years

00:56:00.400 in New York.

00:56:01.300 They've got to get way to hell, but you can't like be a foot back from the edge of the crib.

00:56:04.900 You've got to be like three feet back.

00:56:06.780 It's terrifying.

00:56:07.680 Go ahead, Andy.

00:56:08.640 Just say nothing in the bike lanes.

00:56:10.060 That's my fear when I'm in New York City.

00:56:12.740 Devastating.

00:56:13.060 So anyway, so he's not going to be able to do a lot of this stuff.

00:56:17.060 A lot of this stuff isn't going to work.

00:56:18.360 I mean, if anyone has ever gone to a co-op when I was a kid, college, you know, we had

00:56:24.580 a college co-op for food and it was terrible.

00:56:27.740 It was a disaster.

00:56:28.880 And you went down the street to Johnny's Food Master.

00:56:31.420 That was the place in Somerville that was the big, you know, grocery store.

00:56:35.540 And it was a, it was a thing of beauty.

00:56:37.040 It was lit up at night.

00:56:38.020 And that's one of the reasons I became a capitalist was because I had that experience where I

00:56:44.000 saw what happens at the co-op, the way the vegetables looked and the way the vegetables

00:56:48.700 looked at Johnny's Food Master.

00:56:50.200 A hundred percent.

00:56:50.720 I don't know if Johnny's Food Master is still there, but anyway, but the thing is with socialism,

00:56:54.700 what you do is you blame someone else.

00:56:56.960 So they will blame Donald Trump, who's already sort of led into this narrative a little bit

00:57:02.000 by saying, I'm not going to send them money.

00:57:03.640 So there'll be a hundred reasons why socialism doesn't work in New York.

00:57:09.920 And none of them will have to do with socialism itself.

00:57:13.040 Socialism works.

00:57:14.080 It's just, we've never tried it.

00:57:15.480 You have to remember that.

00:57:16.440 That's the, that's the sort of basic promise of socialism.

00:57:20.600 That's the reason why it was all young people, you know, young nimrods who actually think,

00:57:27.940 gee, this is a new idea.

00:57:29.100 We should try it.

00:57:29.600 No one's ever tried this before.

00:57:31.000 How could socialism work?

00:57:32.280 Maybe that's the answer to all of our problems.

00:57:34.400 We'll be the very first.

00:57:36.100 And by the way, we have absolutely no terrorism risk because there's been no meaningful terror

00:57:40.380 attack that I can remember in my lifetime.

00:57:42.160 I mean, this is like who's controlling these elections.

00:57:45.000 Deb, Canadian Debbie really wants me to play the following soundbite for you.

00:57:48.520 So I will.

00:57:49.540 Independent journalist, Nick Shirley, again here, Sot9B.

00:57:53.560 Who are you voting for for mayor?

00:57:55.060 I like Cuomo, but I think Mondani might be pulling the lead a little bit with me.

00:57:59.420 What's your favorite example of socialism that's worked?

00:58:03.340 I don't have a big example of it, of socialism.

00:58:07.100 Like between Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Union, what's your favorite one?

00:58:13.120 Man, you put me on the spot.

00:58:14.720 I'm going to have to go Cuba.

00:58:15.780 Do you think Mondani is the future of the Democratic Party?

00:58:18.180 I mean, I hope so.

00:58:20.120 Oh, God.

00:58:21.900 That's scary.

00:58:24.080 Yeah.

00:58:24.660 Again, that's the quote of the year.

00:58:26.160 I'm going to have to go with Cuba.

00:58:30.280 You know, Megan, you played that clip earlier about the student that was like, you know,

00:58:36.360 had the $10 matcha in her hand.

00:58:38.580 And she's like, you know, I mean, I just saw a clip online of some young women who voted

00:58:44.280 for Mondani that were talking about like Sharia laws coming and they were celebrating that.

00:58:49.060 I mean, it was like, and they weren't even Muslims.

00:58:51.160 I don't even think they knew what that meant.

00:58:53.000 I mean, it's astonishing.

00:58:53.360 I hope you enjoy your genitals.

00:58:55.040 Enjoy them while they're still intact.

00:58:57.140 I mean, it's kind of crazy.

00:58:58.660 Meanwhile, did you see Alex Soros posted a picture of him with his arm around Mondani

00:59:05.180 and saying, you know, so proud to be a New Yorker.

00:59:08.100 And I, you know, isn't he supposed to be fighting the oligarchy and the billionaires?

00:59:12.880 Isn't, aren't they the enemy?

00:59:14.800 How's that going?

00:59:15.940 Yeah.

00:59:16.260 How's that going?

00:59:17.060 Well, I guess, obviously, we've learned only some billionaires are evil and other billionaires

00:59:22.340 are great, but it just goes to the point.

00:59:24.780 This guy is, he went to private school.

00:59:27.420 He's, he's, he's from an elite family.

00:59:31.100 He is totally sort of role playing here and disconnected from, you know, the, the hardships

00:59:37.880 that New Yorkers are facing on an everyday basis.

00:59:40.040 Well, he's, like I said, he lost the working class.

00:59:43.320 The working class voted for Cuomo.

00:59:44.980 It was all of the elite high earners, reasonably high.

00:59:50.380 And the college educated crew, we know what college does to you that voted for Mom Domi.

00:59:55.520 Go ahead, Andrew.

00:59:55.980 I'm just saying, this is textbook from the socialist playbook.

00:59:59.820 I mean, here's the thing.

01:00:00.800 The problem with the working class and why they don't embrace socialism is because they

01:00:04.760 don't, they're not bright enough to do it.

01:00:07.020 That's, that's fundamental to the sort of socialist view of things.

01:00:10.620 And so what you need are people like Mom Domi, who are the vanguard of the proletariat.

01:00:15.880 These are the people like Lenin, who were educated enough to understand the theories behind

01:00:20.920 Marx, which are completely impossible to understand because they make no sense, but they understand

01:00:26.060 that enough and they will lead the revolution.

01:00:29.440 And the revolution will be led not by the workers, but by the vanguard of the workers.

01:00:33.760 And that's what Mom Domi is here to do.

01:00:35.980 So, like I say, this is all, you know, this is sort of just the way socialism worked again

01:00:41.600 and again and again.

01:00:43.200 And people somehow forget about it.

01:00:45.120 And it's, it's one of the wonders of the modern world, how socialism could have failed

01:00:49.640 everywhere.

01:00:51.340 And it still has this sort of hold on people's imagination.

01:00:55.980 It hasn't been tried properly, Andy.

01:00:58.900 Come on.

01:01:00.700 We have Mom Domi on the record saying he doesn't think there should be billionaires.

01:01:05.980 And that he does view the ultimate goal as, quote, seizing the means of production.

01:01:11.900 What could be more Marxist?

01:01:14.400 He actually wants to seize the means of production.

01:01:16.380 Okay.

01:01:17.120 First of all, that's not going to happen, right?

01:01:19.120 That's, that's his utopia, but it's not going to happen in the United States of America.

01:01:22.900 I do want to get back to the, there's no problem too big or too small for government to get

01:01:29.500 involved.

01:01:29.920 What a contrast from the Gipper, the great communicator, Ronald Reagan.

01:01:35.760 We teed it up.

01:01:38.400 I think you all know that I've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the English

01:01:44.800 language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

01:01:48.480 Yeah, that seems a lot closer to what's real, but we have to keep learning these lessons over

01:01:56.000 and over and over again.

01:01:58.440 I do want to play you something though.

01:02:00.320 I don't want to be, it's very easy to bash Mom Donnie, very, but we should, we should pay

01:02:06.460 some attention to like what exactly caused people to vote for him beyond like his promises

01:02:14.220 of free things.

01:02:14.820 Like there is something happening to young people in particular, but under 44 in New

01:02:20.920 York, which isn't that young, that made them flock to this guy that made an extra million

01:02:25.560 people get off the couch and go vote for him.

01:02:28.060 I mean, that's incredible for me oral race.

01:02:30.060 And I want to play a soundbite.

01:02:31.620 This is Charlie Kirk on Tucker Carlson's show right after Mom Donnie won the Democrat nomination.

01:02:38.360 Listen here.

01:02:40.060 It's a coming attraction of what is coming next.

01:02:42.100 Who's Mom Donnie?

01:02:42.700 Zoran Mamdani, the Muslim communist that is running for mayor in New York City, who

01:02:52.340 obviously there's a whole rabbit hole we can go down there.

01:02:54.580 He just looks kind of be like central casting and, you know, his ideas are terrible.

01:02:58.480 He wants the city to run the grocery stores, all that.

01:03:00.580 But I think everyone's kind of, not everyone, but most people are missing the point of really

01:03:04.000 what this is.

01:03:05.060 This is yet another distress signal by young people to say, hey, if you're not going to

01:03:10.420 fix our life economically, we're going to get very radical politically.

01:03:14.400 And let's take a step back.

01:03:15.500 President Trump won the youth vote in many states across the country, in many battleground

01:03:18.840 states.

01:03:19.720 One of the reasons he was able to win younger voters and younger men, especially in big

01:03:23.840 numbers, is that they were trying to get their leaders attention.

01:03:27.460 They said, hey, this guy, Donald Trump, he is pledging to go fix our economic anxiety.

01:03:33.280 He is loud.

01:03:35.300 He is going to get your attention.

01:03:37.420 Donald Trump was a distress signal by a lot of young people, especially young men that

01:03:43.360 were stuck in a in a credit centric renter economy.

01:03:50.440 I miss him so much.

01:03:52.040 But Tom, he's raising really good points there about they're not all they're not all

01:03:57.420 crazy leftists.

01:03:58.320 Some are actually just suffering, not just in New York, but in other big cities and want

01:04:03.220 to try something completely different because they just feel the system has utterly failed

01:04:07.560 them.

01:04:09.020 I think that's exactly right.

01:04:10.980 And that's the genius of Mamdani's campaign is, you know, he has all these programs, which

01:04:18.300 are pie in the sky, obviously.

01:04:19.680 We know we're not.

01:04:20.660 But the central theme around which it was built was affordability.

01:04:24.520 And that is that is a powerful word that everybody can understand.

01:04:29.340 It doesn't take, you know, it doesn't take a lot to digest that everybody understands whether

01:04:33.440 you're Republican, Democrat, independent, black, white, doesn't matter.

01:04:36.260 Can I afford this?

01:04:37.000 Can I not afford this?

01:04:38.140 And and that's why it hit home, particularly, I think, with younger folks and why Democrats,

01:04:44.880 that's what Spanberger Spanberger was talking about in Virginia.

01:04:48.540 Cheryl was talking about that in New Jersey.

01:04:50.460 And Republicans should be talking about affordability as well, because it is something it is a huge

01:04:56.500 concern for for everybody in an economy where inflation has taken a huge bite out of people's

01:05:01.580 paychecks and their purchasing power from everything from health care to education to what they

01:05:05.840 get at the grocery store.

01:05:07.540 And that's why he's been so successful.

01:05:09.340 And, you know, Donald Trump was able to tap into that on sort of the populist right.

01:05:17.340 And, you know, Mamdani is sort of version of I would say Bernie Sanders sort of 2.0.

01:05:22.260 He's he's done a good job of tapping into that on the left.

01:05:25.420 And as Charlie Kirk rightly pointed out, that's not something to just be dismissed or waved away.

01:05:30.820 And that's what I go back to my point earlier.

01:05:32.360 I think Republicans need to be clear eyed about what happened on Tuesday and figure out how to

01:05:37.020 how to reconnect with those voters and solve those problems.

01:05:39.780 Otherwise, you know, they could be headed for a not so great midterms.

01:05:44.820 You've got you've got a situation where Trump's main tool to get the inflation that he inherited,

01:05:51.400 to be fair to Trump, down is his tariff policy.

01:05:56.360 And he said from the beginning, it's going to take me a while.

01:05:59.000 So I'm going to need you to be a little patient.

01:06:01.540 Well, they're not.

01:06:03.200 That's not really a virtue among the American electorate and certainly not among like moderates

01:06:09.000 in the middle who aren't diehard MAGA.

01:06:11.140 They're they're not.

01:06:12.100 They they want their grocery bills to go down like ASAP.

01:06:15.440 And they'll sign on to the the person who's making the promise most believably and most

01:06:22.400 boldly.

01:06:23.000 And in this case, that was the Democrats.

01:06:25.160 Just today, his tariff case is going up to the Supreme Court to see whether he actually has

01:06:29.340 the power Charles C.W. Cook at National Review has been arguing from the beginning like the

01:06:33.880 tariffs or hate the tariffs.

01:06:35.440 Trump doesn't have the ability to do this as he needed congressional approval and a lower

01:06:38.580 court has so held.

01:06:39.760 So we'll see what this is.

01:06:40.940 The Supreme Court upholds.

01:06:41.960 And that's why Trump keeps saying at every speech, I use the tariffs for foreign policy.

01:06:45.980 This is how I got peace in the Middle East.

01:06:47.580 This is how I'm going to negotiate other peace deals in Ukraine and elsewhere, like to put

01:06:51.320 pressure on these countries to come to reason.

01:06:54.180 And that's clearly a ploy.

01:06:56.040 To me, it's very clear, yes, it's true, but he's also using it to try to get in the ear

01:07:00.000 of the Supreme Court to try to say, of course, it's within my power.

01:07:03.160 I'm the commander in chief.

01:07:04.240 So we'll see how that goes.

01:07:05.160 It's a big, big case.

01:07:06.780 But this strategy, Carl, of like, just be patient, that only works with the party faithful.

01:07:13.220 Everybody else is having trouble paying their bills and living paycheck to paycheck, and

01:07:18.640 they're going to blame whoever's in power.

01:07:20.860 Yeah, I agree with you, Megan.

01:07:22.160 In this interview that Andy and Tom and Phil Wegman did with Speaker Johnson, he was asked,

01:07:28.560 you know, he's a constitutional lawyer, and he was asked about the tariffs, but he didn't

01:07:31.980 not give a constitutional answer.

01:07:33.720 He gave a political answer.

01:07:34.940 He said what you pointed out, Megan.

01:07:37.600 He said, you know, he's the commander in chief.

01:07:39.700 We won't want to cripple him.

01:07:40.700 He ran on this.

01:07:41.680 He said he was going to do it.

01:07:42.400 He ran on it.

01:07:42.940 He won.

01:07:43.900 Those are interesting arguments.

01:07:45.260 And then he even mentioned Obamacare and how John Roberts came up with this imaginative

01:07:50.800 way to uphold that.

01:07:52.860 He said, you know, just let this be, you know, let it be.

01:07:57.100 But Obamacare was different.

01:07:58.180 That was a law passed by Congress, signed by the president.

01:08:01.000 This is the president taking a power that belongs to Congress.

01:08:05.260 And the ranking member of Congress in the House is saying, oh, let's let him have it.

01:08:10.320 It was a little disjointed in argument.

01:08:12.160 And as I was listening to him, I thought, I'm not sure the Supreme Court's going to

01:08:14.980 buy this.

01:08:16.360 In terms of what you said, Megan, about these young people, you know, I interviewed John

01:08:21.180 Della Volpe, who's a pollster at Harvard.

01:08:23.220 He's a liberal Democrat, really good guy.

01:08:25.920 I interviewed Spencer Kimball, more conservative pollster at Emerson College, really good guy.

01:08:30.460 And they both said what you and Tom have been saying about young people is that they feel

01:08:36.020 they have that the system has failed them.

01:08:38.520 And I get that to a point.

01:08:40.240 What I don't get, though, is why, you know, socialism is they think that's the answer.

01:08:46.060 You don't have to.

01:08:46.660 Andy gave a good primer on, you know, you know, on how it's always failed, but you don't have

01:08:50.640 to go back to the Bolshevik resolution.

01:08:52.820 Socialism is being practiced right now in Venezuela and it has utterly wrecked the country.

01:08:58.020 And the disconnect to me is why these young voters don't get that.

01:09:02.540 And maybe that's maybe that's the case Republicans should make.

01:09:06.780 But it's not working right now.

01:09:09.280 It's failing Venezuelans to the point where Joe Biden, the Biden administration, gave 500,000

01:09:15.800 visas to Venezuelans to come here and work.

01:09:18.380 And they come here and work.

01:09:19.760 And then the Democrats immediately start in on them and say, you've got to vote Democrat

01:09:22.320 because we need socialism.

01:09:24.180 It's circular.

01:09:25.560 It doesn't make sense.

01:09:26.420 And I don't see how it works in the long run to give these young voters what they think

01:09:31.160 they need.

01:09:32.060 Yeah.

01:09:32.280 When we were in Sweden, we asked some of our, you know, Swedish hosts and friends, because

01:09:37.380 they're very proud of the fact that it's like free.

01:09:40.540 We have maternity leave for a year and you have free education and some free child care

01:09:45.880 and free, free, free, free, free.

01:09:47.440 And, you know, oh, it's so wonderful here.

01:09:50.160 And there are some things that we could take from it.

01:09:52.160 Like, I remember they were very good on vocational training for young people.

01:09:54.780 That is something that we should do more of, you know, helping kids who don't want to go

01:09:58.320 to useless colleges to be indoctrinated into left-wing ideology, learn a real skill, like

01:10:04.000 whether it's car mechanics, this young gal was doing hair and she learned it in high

01:10:08.200 school, like, like maybe a year post high school, but it was paid for by the state.

01:10:12.220 Those kinds of things do tend to have a return on investment.

01:10:15.260 But then we asked, what's your tax rate?

01:10:17.300 Like what?

01:10:18.520 And this is not like some rich person.

01:10:19.900 There are no rich people for the, for the most part.

01:10:22.000 What's your tax rate?

01:10:22.800 And she said, it's over 70%.

01:10:24.920 And if you look it up online, they'll say, oh, the highest tax rate is like something

01:10:28.040 like 58%.

01:10:28.900 But they, of course, there's, then there's a bunch of local taxes that are thrown on there.

01:10:32.120 So there are most people over there who are actually earning are paying over 70% of their

01:10:36.780 pay to the government.

01:10:39.620 I mean, like that, that kills all incentive.

01:10:43.380 That is the official death of the American dream.

01:10:46.020 If we adopt a system like that here, we did try it at one point.

01:10:49.100 It failed.

01:10:49.560 Go ahead, Andy.

01:10:50.020 So I was just going to say, here's the thing about socialism that, to say this, we tend

01:10:56.380 to talk about it as an economic system.

01:10:58.240 And we talk about how it doesn't work economically.

01:11:00.020 And I do the same.

01:11:01.760 But we're missing about half the story.

01:11:03.820 And I think that Charlie Kirk bite was sort of right on it, which is that socialism, well,

01:11:11.080 there's a great book Josh Marovchek wrote called Heaven on Earth.

01:11:14.800 And it's a survey of socialism.

01:11:16.300 And that's part of it, what socialism promises you is a heaven on Earth.

01:11:20.760 Socialism is as much a religion as it is an economic system, maybe more so.

01:11:25.480 And when we talk about socialism, you sort of have to understand that, because that's

01:11:30.800 the only thing that I think can explain its appeal.

01:11:33.900 It tells you that you can have a better life here on Earth if you do X, Y, and Z.

01:11:39.560 And at the end of it, after the revolution, there is some sort of nirvana that comes.

01:11:45.240 And it all happens here on Earth in the material world in your lifetime.

01:11:50.620 That's very powerful, especially to young people right now who are increasingly not going

01:11:57.580 to church.

01:11:58.780 Pew calls them the nuns, N-O-N-E-S.

01:12:01.320 They have no religious affiliation, even though they feel like they're spiritual people.

01:12:06.940 So where is that spiritual, where do they find that spiritual home?

01:12:11.740 And if they aren't finding it in their churches, if they aren't finding it in their communities,

01:12:16.520 socialism as a sort of idea, it provides that.

01:12:22.040 And that is what we're up against.

01:12:22.780 Oh, it's very interesting.

01:12:23.420 Just as we see...

01:12:24.320 That's what the West has always been up against when it runs into socialism.

01:12:29.020 Just as we see the beginnings of the death of wokeism, in comes socialism.

01:12:34.460 Another new religion they could try.

01:12:36.380 Whereas the answer to their problem is Christianity, and it's been there all along.

01:12:40.640 Go back and give it a try.

01:12:43.220 Okay, let's keep going, because it's not just this crazy loon in New York.

01:12:48.320 It's Virginia.

01:12:50.280 And what happened in New Jersey, guys?

01:12:52.400 What happened in New Jersey?

01:12:53.660 I realized there was that one Atlas poll right before that showed him, like, it was pretty tight.

01:12:59.160 It showed it within four, I think, Cittarelli.

01:13:01.720 Then there was a question about whether they had overweighted Republicans and independents in that poll.

01:13:06.140 Sorry, I'm mixing up my races.

01:13:07.920 That was in New York, showing Cuomo closing in on Mondami.

01:13:11.080 But Cittarelli did pretty well in closing the gap with Cheryl.

01:13:17.120 And there was nothing inherently likable about Mikey Cheryl.

01:13:20.640 She wasn't some special politician in her own right.

01:13:22.760 But he was actually really, he wasn't a Winsome Sears.

01:13:25.700 I don't mean to pile on Winsome, but she wasn't.

01:13:28.040 I mean, let's face it.

01:13:28.840 That debate.

01:13:29.980 Epigale.

01:13:30.780 Epigale.

01:13:31.740 Epigale.

01:13:32.220 It was weird.

01:13:32.780 And I said it at the time.

01:13:34.040 He didn't have any of those problems.

01:13:35.680 So what happened in New Jersey?

01:13:37.560 Well, I can speak to the polls.

01:13:42.380 I mean, we had about, I think, eight or nine polls in our RealClearPolitics average.

01:13:46.260 And there were only two, the Fox News poll in Quinnipiac, that showed Cheryl with a seven-point lead.

01:13:52.040 Both of them did.

01:13:52.540 Every other poll was four points or less.

01:13:54.920 So the preponderance of the polls, I think our average was about 3.3%, which, again, was right where Cittarelli finished his race last time around, which is why I think people thought that he had a chance to score an upset there.

01:14:09.680 At least that was the conventional wisdom, but obviously the polls missed this huge turnout that took place.

01:14:15.500 And if you look at the exit polls, 52% of the electorate were women, and they voted for Mikey Sherrill over Cittarelli by 24%, or 24 points.

01:14:28.700 So that was part of it.

01:14:30.980 Ironically, the gender gap was even bigger in Virginia.

01:14:34.860 Virginia, Spanberger beat Winsome Sears by 30 points among women.

01:14:39.620 Again, 52% of the electorate.

01:14:42.260 And so I think it was just a, the polls did not pick up what happened in New Jersey.

01:14:49.560 But can I just say also about Virginia?

01:14:52.020 Because that race, I mean, obviously we have Jay Jones and what happened there.

01:14:55.180 Seven-point win.

01:14:56.440 46% of people thought it was disqualifying.

01:14:58.500 53% think what he did was either, you know, it was concerning but not disqualifying.

01:15:03.340 Or the 10% of people who said it wasn't a concern at all, which is kind of shocking.

01:15:09.120 Winsome Sears won white voters.

01:15:11.420 For all the talk about-

01:15:12.740 Saw that.

01:15:13.300 White voters being racist.

01:15:16.120 She won white voters.

01:15:17.140 And we had all these examples of these white liberals in Virginia that were, the dude who lost his job was calling, you know, telling her to go back to Haiti.

01:15:23.220 And she was a traitor.

01:15:24.620 And then there was the, the older white woman who was like, you know, made the comparison to like water fountains.

01:15:30.860 And, you know, the-

01:15:32.120 If trans can't use our bathrooms, you can't use our fountains.

01:15:35.460 Good Lord.

01:15:36.400 I mean, what a nasty piece of work some of these liberals in Virginia were.

01:15:40.240 Um, and by the way, 92% of black voters in Virginia voted against the black candidate.

01:15:47.560 So it really does show that, you know, partisanship is the drug.

01:15:51.320 Um, it's, it's, it's R or it's D.

01:15:54.760 Yeah.

01:15:55.280 That, that reminds me.

01:15:56.400 Okay.

01:15:56.640 So Van Jones said something last night that I did think was interesting.

01:16:00.600 Um, I marked it when I heard it.

01:16:02.760 Here it is.

01:16:03.080 It's SOT 19.

01:16:04.540 Tell me if you agree with this, Tom.

01:16:06.140 Listen.

01:16:06.360 Buyer's remorse from independence.

01:16:11.960 Independence gave Donald Trump a shot.

01:16:14.580 Buyer's remorse.

01:16:15.960 The Latin community gave him a shot.

01:16:18.240 You see buyer's remorse.

01:16:20.000 Black men gave Trump a shot.

01:16:21.840 They've come back home.

01:16:22.780 Buyer's remorse.

01:16:23.420 Why?

01:16:23.940 Because people are sick of the status quo.

01:16:26.660 That's why they voted for Trump the first time.

01:16:28.560 That's why they voted him out the second time.

01:16:30.120 That's why they voted him back in.

01:16:30.920 People want change.

01:16:32.520 And Donald Trump said he was going to do something about grocery prices.

01:16:35.380 He's done everything, but he's putting gold toilets in the White House.

01:16:38.660 He's tearing up.

01:16:39.240 He's galvanting around the world.

01:16:40.320 And you're seeing buyer's remorse.

01:16:43.420 What do you make of that, Tom?

01:16:44.940 I think there's something to that, for sure.

01:16:46.660 I mean, independence did go for the Democrats in, in both states.

01:16:51.640 Um, and he's right.

01:16:53.760 I mean, you certainly, you saw the Hispanic vote and Hispanic vote and the black vote both

01:16:58.400 reverted to sort of pre-Trump, you know, uh, means in terms of their, their support.

01:17:03.540 Um, the other thing that was interesting too, and this goes to, you know, it being sort

01:17:07.860 of a change election, we, we talked a lot about last time around the double haters.

01:17:11.860 Remember the double haters, the people who, who did not like either one of the candidates.

01:17:16.220 Well, they had the, the exit polls showed that in 8%, 8% of the electorate in Virginia

01:17:21.720 and New Jersey were people who didn't, who had, did not have favorable opinions of either

01:17:27.720 party, okay, in both cases, they voted for the Democrat, 77% in New Jersey and 81% in,

01:17:35.680 in Virginia or vice versa.

01:17:36.940 I mean, it was overwhelming.

01:17:38.380 So it was, there was, I think there was a sense of buyer's remorse.

01:17:41.880 I think there was a sense of, you know, we want change.

01:17:45.620 And I do think that there was a sense that, you know, Donald Trump did say he was going

01:17:50.520 to solve these problems and, and he was off overseas and, and he was not, I think, mining

01:17:55.840 the store at home to, and you, and you see this in his approval ratings.

01:17:59.240 When you look at, you know, when he took office, he was, the economy and inflation were two

01:18:03.960 of his strongest issues and pretty darn quickly, he went underwater on those issues.

01:18:08.440 And now he's very underwater.

01:18:10.340 Um, so the public has been focused on that while he's been focused on other things.

01:18:13.660 And I think that's one of the reasons they took it out on the Republican party last night.

01:18:16.700 Mm-hmm.

01:18:17.840 What about that?

01:18:18.560 I saw a lot of that online that he's been overseas and he's not focused on bread and

01:18:24.420 butter issues at home.

01:18:26.260 Now, Trump's been overseas trying to settle wars and trying to renegotiate trade deals as

01:18:33.540 he tries to move, move us from a free trade to a fair trade approach.

01:18:37.300 And so, you know, there's a reason for it, but I see the reason, Carl, that people are questioning

01:18:44.600 whether that was smart, like whether the average voter in Virginia or New Jersey or New York

01:18:51.860 or Georgia is feeling like, where is he?

01:18:54.860 Because my grocery still bills are still sky high and he's in Vietnam.

01:19:02.500 Yeah.

01:19:03.140 I, you know, I, I wonder if that it's a piece of a larger picture with President Trump that

01:19:09.100 Donald Trump's reelected.

01:19:10.340 And some, a lot of these things he's done encouraged prosecutions of people who offended

01:19:15.640 him in his first term and went after him in his first term.

01:19:19.020 This, this White House tearing down the East wing and, you know, doing things that seem

01:19:24.520 self-indulgent, like he's in it for him.

01:19:26.800 And I think among independent voters, this, there's some disillusionment with that.

01:19:31.580 And he didn't need to do any of these things.

01:19:33.380 Now we should sort of stipulate right now the country's ungovernable and I don't know

01:19:37.500 any president could come in there and be very highly successful.

01:19:40.900 But Megan, do you remember when, when Biden, Joe Biden ran for president, he said, he must

01:19:46.060 have said this 50 times.

01:19:47.840 If I'm elected president, I will work as hard for the people who didn't vote for me as the

01:19:52.560 people who did.

01:19:53.980 And Kamala Harris actually used that line in her speech in Chicago, in the convention.

01:19:58.800 But Joe Biden didn't govern that way.

01:20:01.020 And so he just came across as cynical, but, but Donald Trump didn't even give it lip service.

01:20:07.880 Donald Trump has not tried.

01:20:09.620 He's not been worried about Democrats at all.

01:20:12.560 He's not been worried about, and he'll say, well, that's a blue state or, you know, that,

01:20:16.160 that those, those people didn't vote for me.

01:20:18.120 This is unique.

01:20:19.240 And we've never had a president that doesn't even make an attempt to be a uniter.

01:20:24.360 It's hard enough to do, but if you're not even trying to do it, I think a lot of these

01:20:28.440 independent voters, again, this, well, that Trump's in it for himself or he's in it for

01:20:32.480 MAGA, he's not really in it for me.

01:20:34.340 So I think this, I think this was a problem for, for Republicans last night.

01:20:39.440 It's like so frustrating to hear you say that.

01:20:41.420 Cause I, I think you're probably right.

01:20:43.340 And yet I also know how Trump and, you know, core MAGA are feeling, which is the reason we

01:20:49.900 have to play a Charlie Kirk soundbite instead of hear from Charlie Kirk is they put a bullet

01:20:55.220 in his neck.

01:20:56.060 So fuck them.

01:20:57.120 You know, that's, I think that's how a lot of us on the right are feeling like, I don't

01:21:01.580 care.

01:21:01.960 I really don't care what blue voters in New Jersey want.

01:21:05.500 I, I want a sane country and I want a fighter in the white house who will steamroll right

01:21:11.780 over them if they try to pull this shit.

01:21:14.580 And yet their brand of violent politics seems to be growing or a comfort with it seems to

01:21:21.400 be growing because we have a top law enforcement official in the Commonwealth of Virginia, which

01:21:27.100 is a great state who really seems committed to the idea that Republicans and their children

01:21:33.480 must die in order for policies to change.

01:21:36.840 Right?

01:21:37.040 So it's like, I've been talking to my kids about this election.

01:21:40.960 You know, we've been talking more about politics as they get a little older.

01:21:43.540 I don't even know how to explain to them that Jay Jones won.

01:21:47.000 You know, it's like.

01:21:48.980 They know that this guy advocated for Republican children to be shot just because they're the

01:21:53.160 children of Republicans.

01:21:54.240 Like they don't understand how a state would put that guy in office.

01:21:57.700 Well, I live there and I don't understand it either.

01:22:01.520 He showed me that he was unfit for office, but he won and he won comfortably.

01:22:06.420 But, you know, we should remember that Trump's approval rating, Tom, I think this is right,

01:22:11.460 is low and maybe at the lowest of his second presidency right now.

01:22:16.760 But it's still above where Obama was at this point.

01:22:19.620 I mean, isn't that correct?

01:22:20.540 I mean, he's unpopular, but only compared to where his popularity has been for the, you

01:22:28.360 know, since he took office.

01:22:29.400 So that's a good news, bad news story, because you saw what happened to Obama in his midterms.

01:22:38.700 Trump may fare no better.

01:22:41.080 But, you know, there's a lot of ruin in the country and, you know, we'll see what happens

01:22:45.900 here.

01:22:46.100 But one of the other one of the other data points, Megan, that came out of the exit polls,

01:22:50.840 if you believe these exit polls, is that a majority in both states thought that Trump's

01:22:54.360 immigration deportation system had gone too far.

01:22:59.520 And those folks voted overwhelmingly for for the Democrats.

01:23:04.240 And I think there has been, you know, enough negative publicity surrounding some of that

01:23:09.720 stuff that Democrats have managed to to leverage that issue against Republicans.

01:23:16.100 As well.

01:23:17.380 And by the way, there were also-

01:23:18.380 They have a shutdown in Virginia.

01:23:19.540 That did not play well.

01:23:21.260 And apparently they're blaming Republicans, which is not right, but they are.

01:23:25.520 Right.

01:23:25.900 Yeah.

01:23:26.140 And there was also an exit poll question on trans rights.

01:23:29.280 And do you think they've gone too far or not far enough and or just about right?

01:23:34.660 And about 45% in Virginia and about 45% of folks who I assume are all Democrats said

01:23:40.280 that they haven't gone far enough or they're just right.

01:23:42.980 But a majority said that they've gone too far.

01:23:46.220 But-

01:23:47.300 52% said they've gone too far, but still some portion of those 52% voted for Spamburger,

01:23:53.180 who will bring them even farther potentially, or will certainly leave the, you know, try to

01:23:57.660 revert Youngkin's reforms.

01:23:59.860 Can I ask you a quick question about Youngkin?

01:24:01.720 Steve Bannon's going off on Youngkin today.

01:24:03.820 He's very unhappy with him.

01:24:05.120 And he and some others have said this is officially the death knell to his presidential hopes

01:24:10.620 because he's leaving after four years as the Virginia governor.

01:24:14.900 And obviously there wasn't much of a baton to pass to Winsome.

01:24:18.740 And he also said, and I forget, this may or may not be true, I didn't follow it,

01:24:22.260 but he said that he kind of pulled what the Democrat Party did with Kamala with respect to Winsome,

01:24:28.460 where he didn't really encourage an open primary and just kind of like handed it to her,

01:24:34.200 even though there were obvious questions about whether she was a viable candidate for the top job in Virginia.

01:24:41.100 I think most of us are thinking it's going to be J.D. or Marco anyway,

01:24:44.200 like a member of the Trump administration who will be the Republican standard bearer.

01:24:48.160 But Youngkin was on the short list, you know, in those we talked about last time.

01:24:52.440 So what do you make of Steve Bannon's theory that this is – he's done?

01:24:57.280 I don't buy it.

01:24:59.140 First of all, no one will remember this in two years.

01:25:03.000 And that's crazy.

01:25:06.220 I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.

01:25:09.200 Because we live in this sort of, you know, world where we get on the radio,

01:25:15.060 we talk about this stuff, we think everyone cares about it so much.

01:25:17.920 I mean, in a week we won't be talking about these elections.

01:25:20.700 We'll be talking about something else.

01:25:22.940 And Youngkin will rise or fall.

01:25:26.080 I think the bigger question for Youngkin, if you will, is just, you know,

01:25:29.460 if he's out of office for two years, what's his platform?

01:25:31.620 How does he keep in front of the American people?

01:25:34.180 You know, that's what he's trying to do.

01:25:36.060 I think it's very hard now.

01:25:37.300 He'll start a podcast like everybody else.

01:25:41.220 I don't think he's made for the podcast world.

01:25:43.460 But I do think he's a good man.

01:25:45.100 I've told this story before, but just when we both appeared at Virginia Tech for Charlie,

01:25:49.180 a venue I had agreed to go to with Charlie,

01:25:51.280 and then obviously couldn't, he showed up.

01:25:54.820 And he was so sweet, you guys.

01:25:56.140 He brought all of his full security that he gets as the Virginia governor.

01:25:59.800 And it was, you know, this is two weeks after Charlie was killed.

01:26:02.500 And when he left, he left early because he just did sort of like the opening remarks.

01:26:06.920 He left all of his security for me and for the people there, which is like so sweet.

01:26:12.420 He didn't have to do that.

01:26:13.260 Like it arguably endangered himself.

01:26:15.900 And I mean, that's a good man.

01:26:17.380 I think Gunn Youngkin is a good man.

01:26:18.800 I don't know whether he's got a future in a party that's dominated by MAGA, you know,

01:26:24.220 more MAGA style politics.

01:26:26.440 But I'll vouch for him as a good man any day.

01:26:30.160 I was going to say, I think his bigger problem isn't, you know, whether he did or didn't,

01:26:36.860 you know, take responsibility or this thing is his fault or not winsome seers.

01:26:41.140 It's just whether he's a right fit for the sort of national populist movement, the MAGA movement.

01:26:45.760 He seems a little more genteel, a little bit more of a country club Republican, sort of

01:26:49.660 from the pre-Trump era, if you will.

01:26:52.460 And all of those folks, you know, to me, there's a dividing line.

01:26:58.340 When Trump won, there's pre-Trump and there's post-Trump.

01:27:00.720 And all the folks who are running pre-Trump, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, like those guys are done.

01:27:07.100 Like if they tried to run again today, they would go nowhere.

01:27:10.740 And it's all of the, Marco Rubio is the only one who was able to cross over

01:27:14.680 and become part of the sort of MAGA movement and has been very successful at it,

01:27:19.980 which gives you an idea of just how talented he is politically.

01:27:23.120 But everybody else moving forward, it's a different party and it requires a different leader.

01:27:28.540 And it's JD and it's Marco and it's Byron Donalds.

01:27:33.520 And it's these other folks who really represent, I think, the MAGA base.

01:27:36.580 And that, to me, when I look at Glenn Yenkin, that's not him.

01:27:40.540 And I will say, I'll give you another, I'll give you a dark horse for your list.

01:27:44.180 Don Jr.

01:27:46.360 When I interviewed him two weeks ago, he sounded closer to saying he might throw his hat in the

01:27:52.000 ring than I've ever heard before.

01:27:53.680 Now, he's a big J.D. Vance fan.

01:27:55.420 So I don't see him challenging J.D. Vance.

01:27:57.500 But I think we're within two election cycles of seeing Donald Trump Jr.'s name on the ballot.

01:28:03.640 Carl, you were going to make a point.

01:28:05.200 I was just going to say about Glenn Yenkin.

01:28:07.280 I've been at dinner.

01:28:09.080 I don't know him well.

01:28:09.900 I've been at dinner with him once, Megan.

01:28:12.960 And it seems to me that the animating feature of him as a public person is his deep, he's

01:28:18.700 just a very devout Christian.

01:28:20.240 And that seems to, you know, I'm not saying Tom's wrong.

01:28:25.980 He doesn't fit the mega mold, but he's not just a country Republican.

01:28:29.440 I mean, he's an evangelical Christian who takes his faith very deeply.

01:28:32.740 And I think people who meet him are struck by his authenticity and his sincerity and like

01:28:38.580 him and want to succeed.

01:28:39.840 I don't know that he ever figured as a presidential candidate, but I don't think, I think there's

01:28:44.240 room for him in any configuration of the Republican Party.

01:28:46.980 Yes, there should be.

01:28:48.100 If not on the top job, he should definitely be in an administration.

01:28:52.100 I'll tell you this.

01:28:52.820 We sat outside of that Virginia Tech hall, you know, auditorium that we were going to

01:28:58.620 go speak inside of.

01:28:59.540 And everybody was a little nervous.

01:29:00.940 I mean, truly, it was like two weeks after Charlie was killed.

01:29:03.300 This is a turning point event.

01:29:05.260 You know, there were nerves for sure.

01:29:06.600 And he came and he asked me and my staff, we included my staff, which is always, I always

01:29:12.260 love people who include my staff.

01:29:13.640 Um, we all held hands and he and his staff too.

01:29:18.360 And we said a prayer, he led it.

01:29:19.960 And it was really beautiful, very, very well articulated.

01:29:23.400 You know, I pray, but I pray silently.

01:29:26.600 Um, and the only time I play, I pray out loud is either in church or at grace.

01:29:31.800 And so I think you have to practice being able to pray like that.

01:29:35.320 And boy, he's clearly practiced.

01:29:36.760 And I'm telling you, it was like the angels descended and we all, like our shoulders came

01:29:41.920 down, the tension released, and he shored us all up to be able to go out there and do

01:29:47.440 what we knew we needed to do that night for Charlie.

01:29:49.720 So I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Glenn Youngkin.

01:29:53.040 All right, pause.

01:29:54.420 See, I'm not all F-bombs.

01:29:56.240 As we've gone through the show, I've calmed down and I've gotten to a better place.

01:30:02.060 We have that effect.

01:30:03.720 Yeah, that's what I love about you.

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01:33:02.220 Okay, to quote the great Stephen L. Miller, who goes by Red Steez on X.

01:33:08.260 Everyone knows he's my favorite Twitter account.

01:33:11.260 I regret to inform you we've disappointed Michelle Obama again.

01:33:17.060 The Obamas in general.

01:33:18.920 He said it the other day because Michelle Obama's on this book tour and she continues to complain.

01:33:23.860 I mean, you would think this woman had just a horrible life, a really rough time here in the United States of America to listen to her.

01:33:30.420 Instead of, she got into Princeton on affirmative action.

01:33:34.380 She got a job at a Chicago law firm.

01:33:36.380 She married the future president of the United States.

01:33:38.760 She became first lady.

01:33:39.640 She had four Vogue magazine covers.

01:33:42.100 She was uniformly beloved.

01:33:44.120 She named her book Beloved.

01:33:46.520 She had like the highest approval ratings of anybody for many, many years.

01:33:51.180 They only started to go down once she started to talk more and introduced us to who she is.

01:33:57.860 So here she is.

01:33:58.560 She's promoting this fashion book that she's doing, which is such a joke.

01:34:01.360 This is like me doing a book on basketball.

01:34:03.880 Like, Michelle Obama is not a fashion icon, no matter what Anna Wintour tried to tell us.

01:34:08.140 That's obvious.

01:34:08.880 No one's inspired by her fashion at all.

01:34:11.140 She knows nothing about fashion, same as I know nothing about sports.

01:34:14.540 Okay?

01:34:14.940 Some of us just need to admit our weaknesses.

01:34:17.000 But we have to go along with this.

01:34:18.620 She's out there lecturing us on wokeness and America and fashion.

01:34:23.260 Okay.

01:34:23.720 And here's the latest offering as she sits down with Stephen Colbert.

01:34:27.800 Take a listen to SOT 33.

01:34:30.740 Very quickly that I had to control every aspect of how I showed up in the world.

01:34:35.680 It was a race to let the country learn me from me before they learned this other crazy woman that

01:34:43.180 they were talking about.

01:34:44.640 The angry, bitter black woman that was a terrorist and a danger to her country and didn't love her country.

01:34:51.860 And how I showed up in the world played a huge role in just reminding people that we're normal people.

01:35:00.240 Yes, we're black.

01:35:01.220 But we bleed red and we love red, white, and blue.

01:35:08.760 Oh, my God.

01:35:10.860 Everyone knows that.

01:35:12.860 You don't have to keep reminding us that you're black, just like your friend, Karine Jean-Pierre.

01:35:17.660 You don't have to work it into every single conversation.

01:35:19.740 And also raise it as a way of saying the country's racist.

01:35:24.800 We're normal, even though we're black.

01:35:27.780 Weird white people who are racists and hate us because of our skin color.

01:35:31.480 That's what she's saying.

01:35:32.560 She said the other day they didn't get the same grace other first families got because of skin color.

01:35:38.080 I'm sick of it.

01:35:39.140 Amazingly, Andrew Walworth seems to want to take this one.

01:35:41.840 Go ahead, Andy.

01:35:44.520 I don't know why I'm the Michelle Obama whisperer around here.

01:35:48.000 Last time we were on, we talked about her as well.

01:35:52.100 Hey, if I can ask Victor Davis Hanson about OnlyFans, I can ask you about Michelle Obama.

01:35:58.480 You certainly may.

01:35:59.500 You certainly may.

01:36:00.220 And as a black woman of color myself, I will tell you.

01:36:03.880 No, I think it's always amazing the sort of language she uses, too.

01:36:10.680 This sort of like how I decided to show myself to the world or something.

01:36:13.740 This sort of weird sort of construct.

01:36:15.460 I don't know where that comes from.

01:36:17.600 It's kind of academic.

01:36:19.320 It's kind of...

01:36:20.700 Overly verified.

01:36:21.340 It's very KC, right?

01:36:23.540 And it's very off-putting, I think.

01:36:28.040 I do agree.

01:36:28.860 I think her relationship with her husband is kind of fascinating.

01:36:33.880 At this point, and she's put it out there so many times now, she kind of hates him.

01:36:39.800 And is kind of stuck with him.

01:36:42.420 And yet, you saw him out there campaigning.

01:36:48.000 There was Obama.

01:36:49.260 He's the one guy that they trot out, they've still got, who's got some juice.

01:36:54.160 And probably helped turn out some votes in New Jersey.

01:36:57.960 They didn't trot her out.

01:36:59.220 They did not trot her out.

01:37:01.560 And I'm telling you, nobody's listening to this podcast.

01:37:05.340 Maybe there's some hate watching or like some Maureen Callahan calls it rubbernecking.

01:37:09.680 As a result of Maureen and yours truly covering Meghan Markle, I think her Netflix show got some rubbernecking views.

01:37:17.020 And that's what's happening with Michelle Obama.

01:37:18.400 But honestly, like the fact I had to show them, you know, like the unfair people who suggested I didn't love America.

01:37:25.320 Tom, that comes from her saying on camera that when her husband was nominated was the first time in her adult life that she was ever proud of her country.

01:37:35.760 That's not some right-wing made-up thing.

01:37:38.520 She said it and people recoiled.

01:37:41.180 Yeah, I was just going to say, I mean, that that that was how a lot of people and that got a lot of publicity, as it probably should have, because that's not how you could say, well, she misspoke.

01:37:54.800 But it's like, well, that's not how people normally phrase things.

01:37:58.980 It's the first time in my adult life that I'm proud of my country.

01:38:01.820 I mean, that's a that's a pretty coherent thought.

01:38:05.760 And the other part about her husband, you know, she and her husband sat in the pews and listened to Jeremiah Wright for years.

01:38:16.580 He married them, talked about America, you know, chickens coming home to roost and all of that.

01:38:22.780 So God D America.

01:38:25.020 Yeah, absolutely.

01:38:26.000 So this stuff didn't just sort of materialize out of nowhere.

01:38:28.760 This is not some fiction that was made up.

01:38:30.780 Um, and she continues to, I mean, it's, you know, it's like a glass half full or glass half empty.

01:38:38.100 I think a lot of people look at Michelle Obama and think, man, your glass is half full.

01:38:41.160 I mean, you've lived this amazing life.

01:38:42.660 You went from, you listed all the things.

01:38:44.760 And now she went from literally no one to one of the most admired people in the world.

01:38:49.580 Who's like a multimillionaire with homes in Hawaii and Calorama and all these places, Martha's Vineyard.

01:38:54.180 And she's, they, they've lived an amazingly charmed life because of the American people, because people voted her husband into office.

01:39:02.580 And she looks at her life and sees the glass half empty and says, man, you know, I've gotten what I've gotten despite because of America and its flaws and racism and all these things.

01:39:16.280 And I was so criticized.

01:39:17.140 I mean, she just looks at it through a completely different lens that I think there's, there's just not a ton of, we always tell our kids, you know, like be grateful, be grateful every day for everything that you have, because there's so many people out there who have so much less than you, who have so much more tragedy in their lives, who have so much more struggles.

01:39:34.480 Um, you should always approach everything that happens to you in your life with, with a sense of gratefulness.

01:39:40.340 And she just doesn't have it.

01:39:41.820 No, we do the same.

01:39:42.740 We go around our dinner table all the time and say, say three things you're grateful for.

01:39:46.120 And you know, it's easy.

01:39:47.180 It's easy.

01:39:47.860 She's just, she's just not built that way.

01:39:49.440 Got to end on this one.

01:39:50.580 Speaking of the obsessive focus on identity, you guys have seen it.

01:39:54.480 We've seen it.

01:39:55.680 Kareem Jean-Pierre is at it again.

01:39:58.180 And now she's defending the fact that she mentions I'm a black queer woman at every stop on her book tour.

01:40:05.700 She's mad that people are questioning it.

01:40:07.580 Watch this.

01:40:07.980 Here she is on higher learning with Rachel Lindsay.

01:40:11.620 It pisses me off that people who have not walked in my shoes, who have no idea who really I am as a person, get to tell me how I get to identify myself.

01:40:20.600 Jake.

01:40:21.260 So it's like, I was like, you can't tell me how I get to identify myself.

01:40:26.260 You can't tell me how I get to call myself.

01:40:29.480 Like, screw you.

01:40:30.540 Like, who, that's not okay.

01:40:32.740 Like, that is not okay.

01:40:34.600 You have no right to tell anybody how they should identify themselves and how they see themselves in the world.

01:40:41.380 Like, you have not walked through my battles.

01:40:44.040 You have not walked through my life.

01:40:46.420 You don't even know my personal story.

01:40:48.620 So that's how I really, that just, that just boils me up.

01:40:53.280 First of all, she's a communications expert, allegedly.

01:40:55.400 How I get to call myself, that is not a phrase.

01:40:58.840 That is not appropriate English.

01:41:00.300 But second of all, the, no one's criticizing, no one's telling her how she has to identify herself.

01:41:06.840 Just that she should stop doing it incessantly.

01:41:10.840 It's not like, okay, I get that you're black.

01:41:13.500 If asked what your race is, you should say black.

01:41:15.760 But if asked what your, you know, sexual orientation is, you should say you're a lesbian.

01:41:20.360 I object to queer.

01:41:21.580 It's weird.

01:41:22.740 But, like, the issue is, she mentions it obsessively.

01:41:27.120 Truly, Carl, have you ever sat in an interview ever in your life and said, my name's Carl Cannon and I am a white, straight male?

01:41:34.760 I just want you to know my perspective is a white, straight male.

01:41:37.740 And then you go.

01:41:38.280 Of Irish descent.

01:41:39.160 I think if you see me, you know right away.

01:41:43.360 I think you guys are being hard on Michelle Obama and I'll tell you why.

01:41:47.800 So she has all these things that you described.

01:41:50.160 Fame, fortune, many houses, acclaim, this charm life.

01:41:54.900 But there is one thing, and she's talked about it.

01:41:57.220 All that is outweighed by she doesn't like how her husband chews his food.

01:42:01.040 And so it reminds me, in his great book, Is Sex Necessary, James Thurber describes this man who had this perfect woman, beautiful, sexy, knew how to dress, came from money.

01:42:12.100 All his friends loved her.

01:42:13.040 His parents loved her.

01:42:14.120 But he had to break up with her because there was one trait he couldn't forgive, and that is she would use the salutation, howdy, instead of hello.

01:42:22.480 That's Michelle Obama.

01:42:23.580 That's the least of the problems she's dealing with over there in household Obama.

01:42:30.240 Well, tune into that podcast and you'll hear all about them.

01:42:32.560 Guys, a pleasure.

01:42:33.700 Thank you.

01:42:34.760 Thanks, Megan.

01:42:35.500 Time.

01:42:36.420 All right.

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01:42:42.580 Gee, I wonder if there's anything for us to talk about.

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