The Megyn Kelly Show - Lindsay Clancy Wants a PARDON, Plus Violent Leftists as Charlie Kirk Anniversary Approaches, and the Future of MAGA, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 1393

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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Tuesday.

00:00:46.460 Hope everyone had a great Labor Day weekend.

00:00:48.980 Victor Davis Hanson will be here in a few moments to discuss his new book

00:00:52.180 and more in the world of politics and culture.

00:00:54.820 But first, I want to get you updated on the latest fallout in the Lindsay Clancy case.

00:01:01.300 We were all together Friday when the judge finally declared a mistrial after the jury could not come to a unanimous decision after seven days of deliberations and two months of trial.

00:01:11.760 Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, spent the six-week trial in Plymouth, Massachusetts, making the case that Clancy was not criminally responsible for killing her three children due to postpartum psychosis.

00:01:23.380 Well, he appeared on ABC's Good Morning America this morning for his first sit down interview

00:01:28.620 where he bizarrely asked President Trump for a pardon for his client.

00:01:35.600 Watch.

00:01:36.520 What's next for Lindsay?

00:01:38.600 I'd like to say that perhaps Donald Trump, who felt compelled to speak out about this

00:01:44.680 case, may very well, Mr. President, I would hope that you would consider this young lady,

00:01:49.800 the type of person she is, what she's been through, and consider a pardon.

00:01:56.040 Thanks for coming in this morning.

00:01:57.440 My pleasure.

00:01:58.800 Well, it would have been nice if George Stephanopoulos would have asked him one follow-up question,

00:02:03.900 which is, why would you be asking for a pardon when your client is charged with a state crime,

00:02:10.120 something for which the president cannot pardon her?

00:02:13.780 What is this fucking couple dumbasses sitting there?

00:02:16.080 I'm sorry, but like what George Stephanopoulos has been an anchor for a long time.

00:02:22.180 I think most people understand this.

00:02:24.340 Why wouldn't he follow up with a pardon?

00:02:28.260 What do you what do you mean a pardon that your clients been charged under state laws?

00:02:33.960 President Trump can't pardon that.

00:02:36.120 Just like one quick.

00:02:37.760 And honestly, like this is probably I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say this is the function of network morning news.

00:02:46.080 where everything is three minutes long.

00:02:49.020 It's like they had seven minutes with a guy.

00:02:50.780 It was an eternity.

00:02:52.400 And God forbid you blow a break

00:02:55.280 or you actually just take the time that's necessary

00:02:57.440 to clarify what in God's name your guest is talking about.

00:03:01.760 Instead, you just leave everyone confused.

00:03:04.920 Well, we have sent an email to Reddington's office

00:03:07.340 asking what the hell he's talking about.

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00:04:17.980 There is another way to avoid a second trial, and that is a plea deal with prosecutors.

00:04:22.960 Reddington made news this morning when he said he was hopeful that there could be an agreement between his side and the district attorney, Tim Cruz. Watch.

00:04:33.020 They have a decision to make now. They could seek a retrial. They could seek a plea agreement.

00:04:38.000 What are you expecting? What what are you willing to do? I'm willing to listen to to Tim.

00:04:43.880 I've known Tim for 30 years. He's a very hard charging prosecutor, a conservative gentleman.

00:04:50.700 I hope, however, after sitting through this trial and seeing the evidence that was presented from the government,

00:04:57.580 as well as from the defense that he would revisit that issue

00:05:01.340 and hopefully would be able to work something out

00:05:03.420 that would be acceptable to both sides.

00:05:06.500 I mean, yes, that would be a much better result

00:05:09.140 than having to go through this whole thing again.

00:05:11.560 We had a statement over the weekend

00:05:13.480 from Lindsey Clancy's now ex-husband,

00:05:18.540 and he's about had it.

00:05:20.740 This poor guy, Patrick Clancy,

00:05:23.160 who they're still accusing of having killed his children,

00:05:26.400 even though she's admitted she did it, put out a new statement this weekend through his attorney,

00:05:34.040 Howard Cooper, saying the campaign against Patrick Clancy has not slowed since Friday's mistrial.

00:05:42.080 It's actually gotten worse. This campaign, he writes, now fueled by insatiable media coverage

00:05:46.880 remains at a fever pitch and has resulted in real life threats to Patrick's reputation,

00:05:52.060 livelihood, and life. He said legal action could be taken against those responsible for

00:05:58.420 these claims. Quote, enough is enough. This spread of blatant and baseless falsehoods must

00:06:04.920 stop. Those responsible should understand that there will be consequences and every

00:06:09.020 appropriate measure will be pursued to hold them accountable, including legally. Law enforcement

00:06:13.600 has been notified. People are sick. Get it together, people. He did not kill his children.

00:06:18.400 His now ex-wife killed the children, which she admits, I can't deal with these freaking conspiratorial nutcases.

00:06:27.440 There is, oh, if you think Patrick Clancy killed his kids, you need help.

00:06:33.600 Seek help.

00:06:36.420 Reddington also spoke out in this interview on ABC about the one holdout juror who was really the cause of the mistrial.

00:06:47.240 This person, we understand, was not ready to vote, not guilty by reason of insanity.

00:06:54.300 That's what we think the vote was going to come down, and you'll hear it here.

00:06:59.220 And Kevin Reddington went after this guy.

00:07:02.340 We know it was one of the three men, went after him last week.

00:07:05.660 I mean, it was beyond.

00:07:08.980 He got out there in open court and suggested this juror had committed a felony,

00:07:14.200 openly saying he thought the juror had lied to the judge under oath.

00:07:20.500 Did George Stephanopoulos ask about that?

00:07:24.080 Let's check in.

00:07:26.280 The final split was 11 to 1.

00:07:29.340 Was that in favor, as far as you know, of not guilty by reason of insanity?

00:07:32.800 I believe so, yeah.

00:07:34.120 And what do you make of the one juror who was holding out?

00:07:36.640 You know, again, at the end of the case, I made statements to the effect that I was upset.

00:07:44.500 And the reason I was upset, I would defend that individual's right to be a holdout forever.

00:07:52.860 That's part of our judicial system, and I respect that, and I would certainly defend his right to do that.

00:08:00.720 What I was upset about was after that lengthy trial and the work that everyone put into this case,

00:08:07.340 including these jurors that spent literally almost two months away from their home, their job, their family,

00:08:14.220 where a gentleman had an opinion, not that he was sticking like, you know, the movie Twelve Angry Men,

00:08:22.340 but in fact he had agreed, according to the note from the forelady,

00:08:27.180 that he had doubt, but he would not apply the law of reasonable doubt as presented by the judge.

00:08:35.200 That's not right. And that's why I was upset.

00:08:38.900 I'm glad you explained that. I look forward to the follow up question from George Stephanopoulos

00:08:43.840 asking you, how dare you accuse this citizen servant who went in there and took two months

00:08:50.680 out of his life to sit on your jury of a felony. How dare you? Truly, like there's upset and then

00:08:58.300 there's baseless accusations against an innocent civilian who was dragged into court through no

00:09:06.460 fault of his own, who you chose to sit on your jury and who did so. And by all accounts, according

00:09:14.600 to his principles, no one was accusing this juror of holding out or not following the reasonable

00:09:20.220 doubt standard before the judge kept calling the jury in three times over saying, please come to a

00:09:27.200 verdict. Then finally, it seems clear the other jurors turned on him and said, well, that guy said

00:09:31.940 he had a doubt, but he won't apply it to reasonable doubt. In other words, his doubt didn't rise in

00:09:36.300 his mind to a reasonable doubt. And they were pissed off because they wanted to go home.

00:09:40.200 So they tried to find another way of ending this thing, which was to potentially bounce this guy.

00:09:44.840 And the judge, to his credit, Judge Sullivan, wasn't persuaded. And he understood exactly

00:09:49.240 what they were doing and didn't fall for the nonsense, notwithstanding Reddington's theatrics.

00:09:53.780 But again, wouldn't it have been nice if we had a competent journalist sitting across from

00:09:58.940 Reddington to say, how dare you accuse a civilian juror of committing a felony when he's not there

00:10:06.500 to defend himself and based on nothing other than an ambiguous four persons note? Shame on you.

00:10:12.860 reddington was asked about his client lindsey clancy's alleged postpartum psychosis

00:10:20.460 and whether it was simply an excuse to avoid a murder conviction watch and what do you say to

00:10:27.660 those critics who say this is a rationalization what we're talking about here is just plain evil

00:10:32.200 oh please it's not it's not evil these people don't understand they don't know what she went

00:10:38.180 through they didn't see her text messages they didn't see her journal they didn't see the notes

00:10:42.420 that she wrote. They didn't see the text she sent her mother in October saying, mommy, can you please

00:10:46.980 come to here? I am sick. Something's wrong. And it was a result of the medications. They don't

00:10:51.820 know about the number of times that she reached out. She went to the women and infants. She went

00:10:55.440 to the suicide hotlines. She reached out to everybody and anybody that would listen to her

00:11:00.280 and kept saying, I am not good. I am not well. And it was ignored. A lot of people who commit

00:11:06.740 crimes are not well. Most of them, in fact, especially crimes like this. They're not. They're

00:11:11.220 not well. Some of them have had a mental break. Some of them are just incredibly depressed,

00:11:17.940 suicidal, homicidal. They're having serious mental illness. We don't excuse them from murder.

00:11:24.200 That's not the way our law works. We've been lured into a bunch of nonsense by these very,

00:11:31.820 very diehard Lindsey Clancy supporters. I'm not talking about the people who were genuinely

00:11:36.300 persuaded that she didn't know right from wrong. Okay, there is that group, and that's a real

00:11:40.860 thing. But there are just nutcases who think if you get super depressed and you kill your kids,

00:11:46.180 it's not your fault. That's not true. Mental illness does not excuse you from criminal

00:11:52.100 behavior. It has to rise to the level of legal insanity, which is a nearly impossible standard.

00:11:59.380 It is extremely high for good reason in the law. So it's just I'm sorry for Lindsay Clancy. I'm

00:12:08.000 really sorry for her children and for her now ex-husband. But this, she had ordered behavior 0.99

00:12:17.680 pre-planning and was, and she had her wits about her when this thing went down. To me, the most

00:12:24.920 telling part is the fact that she took the phone call from her husband, Clancy, in the middle of

00:12:29.740 the murders, was cool as a cucumber. 14 seconds, they chatted about whether he could get the generic

00:12:36.280 form of the medicine at CVS. She kept it together. She wanted to make sure he didn't come home.

00:12:43.340 This was not some crazy psychotic person. She knew exactly what she was doing, whatever.

00:12:49.640 He wants to say people who think she should be convicted of murder, they don't understand. No,

00:12:56.560 we understand. We do understand. A lot of us really got up to speed on this case and understand

00:13:01.760 exactly what your defense says. We just rejected it. And you know what? Good for you, Kevin

00:13:06.420 Reddington, because you apparently convinced 11 members of your jury to go along with your excuses,

00:13:11.460 but not 12. And that's what you need in order for a not guilty by reason of insanity. You didn't

00:13:18.780 get it. You almost did, but you didn't. Sorry. That's the way it goes. So now you have to live

00:13:25.780 with it. And yeah, a deal would be great. But that deal, I think, is going to have to involve

00:13:30.160 a guilty plea by your client to at least voluntary manslaughter. I could live with that.

00:13:38.180 It's not my preference. I could live with it though, but I just don't think a not guilty

00:13:45.820 by reason of insanity sentence, which would be indefinite commitment to a mental facility,

00:13:51.480 is going to be agreed to by the DA, Tim Cruz. Maybe I'm wrong, but he did not sound like a

00:13:56.240 guy ready to do that at his presser on Friday. Sadly, whether the Clancy case would influence

00:14:03.060 other mothers no longer appears to be a theoretical question. This story is so

00:14:08.160 disturbing. We brought it to you on AM Update today. 40-year-old Corey Walsh of Frankfurt,

00:14:13.440 Illinois, is now facing first-degree murder charges for killing her two-year-old son.

00:14:20.640 Last Tuesday, Walsh allegedly hanged her own child in the basement before allegedly attempting to kill herself.

00:14:29.740 I'm sorry, but once again, it doesn't look like she actually tried to kill herself.

00:14:35.080 It doesn't.

00:14:36.580 An autopsy confirming that her two-year-old boy Barrett died due to asphyxiation.

00:14:42.600 That'll do it.

00:14:43.640 I mean, that'll happen when you hang him from a rafter in the basement.

00:14:47.340 Walsh reportedly telling law enforcement that she killed her son because he was, quote, the devil and, quote, the Antichrist.

00:14:54.340 Witnesses say Walsh followed the Lindsay Clancy trial closely and that she was texting her friends about the case just hours before she allegedly killed her own son.

00:15:05.480 According to Walsh's attorney, she was suffering from a, quote, psychotic episode at the time of the killing.

00:15:14.300 So I've got a question for the people who are ready to excuse Lindsay Clancy.

00:15:18.420 Do we excuse all the mothers if they just throw out that word, psychosis?

00:15:23.660 Like how far does it, like what, the people who want to let Lindsay Clancy off, 0.93

00:15:28.140 what do they have to show in order to convince you that they're just a regular murderer

00:15:34.900 and not somebody who deserves to take advantage of this not guilty by reason of mental defect?

00:15:41.140 Do they have to have doctors like Lindsay Clancy did who try to prescribe medications that don't really have a good effect on the person?

00:15:51.400 Do they have to call a suicide hotline and be told, there's nothing really we can do for you if you don't have a plan?

00:15:58.720 These are some of the things that happen to Lindsay Clancy that upset people.

00:16:01.760 I'm feeling like a trend has been started here and people who were in support of blessing

00:16:11.140 this behavior in a way are going to rue the day in sending any sort of a message to the

00:16:18.640 mothers of America that there is a get out of jail free card potentially awaiting you

00:16:24.240 if you kill your annoying toddler. 1.00

00:16:27.700 Like, that woman in Illinois had three other kids

00:16:31.620 who, thank God, were left alive.

00:16:36.220 But for some reason, her two-year-old

00:16:38.100 really got under her skin

00:16:39.440 to the point where she was calling him the Antichrist.

00:16:43.000 And I don't even want to think

00:16:44.620 about what that child went to as she strung him up.

00:16:50.900 It's too dark to even go there.

00:16:53.860 And I ask you, do you think that child will be alive today

00:16:56.840 if Lindsay Clancy hadn't done what she did

00:16:59.700 and this case hadn't received the coverage it has?

00:17:03.900 I think he would be alive.

00:17:06.660 I don't think this mother would have even considered that as an option.

00:17:10.840 You know, I mentioned this last week.

00:17:12.680 When you cover deaths by suicide,

00:17:16.300 you have to be careful as a news person.

00:17:18.920 In fact, a lot of news organizations won't discuss the specific way a person does it now because it is suggestive and it is a little contagious.

00:17:31.000 And there tends to be when there's a very famous person who dies by suicide, there tends to be another one and then possibly another one in the days and weeks thereafter.

00:17:40.160 I mean, I've been at this for 25 years now and that is how it goes.

00:17:43.520 And as a result, news organizations are now more reluctant to publish the details of how somebody dies by suicide these days.

00:17:53.540 Well, I feel like this is a similar problem.

00:17:58.360 The more we talk about this kind of murder in a way that has anything other than abject contempt for the perpetrator, the more we encourage it.

00:18:12.880 the more we bless it as an option. Like you could consider this as a solution and you might

00:18:22.000 actually get away with it. It's very sick. This is like extremely sick. And we are becoming sick

00:18:30.980 as a society with this. I mean, I really, this should be a no brainer that we cannot be doing

00:18:40.800 this. Cannot be sending this kind of messaging. Giving you a little bit more detail here

00:18:45.980 on this Corey Walsh, this woman accused in this latest case out of Illinois.

00:18:52.320 They say a neighbor came over. This is the prosecution. Now, they've been at it for a week

00:18:58.660 because this happened, as I said, last Tuesday. The prosecution filed a petition to try to keep

00:19:03.820 this woman from being released pending trial. And they alleged that a neighbor, a neighbor came over

00:19:10.040 and found Walsh lying in a tub, fully dressed, surrounded by bloody water.

00:19:18.600 The neighbor told police she had taken a knife from Walsh

00:19:21.680 and tried to help her by holding a towel on her left inner thigh.

00:19:26.180 Walsh had cuts on her wrists and thighs that they do not believe were life-threatening.

00:19:33.240 um the neighbor told police that walsh asked the neighbor why she was taking the knife away from

00:19:40.280 her and she said that walsh told her she was trying to kill herself and that bear which is

00:19:45.660 what she called her son was in the basement again the injuries were not considered life-threatening

00:19:53.000 though she was taken to the hospital after police saw that she was allegedly attempting to harm

00:19:58.300 herself. Then the neighbor found Barrett in the basement. And you already have heard enough about

00:20:06.260 that. Three other children still at home or returned home around the time that Barrett was

00:20:12.220 discovered. An infant was present unharmed. Two school-aged children returned home around the time

00:20:17.860 of the discovery. They were not physically injured. The husband who lives at the home was out of state

00:20:23.140 at the time of the incident, flew home Tuesday evening.

00:20:27.920 I mean, your heart goes out to this guy.

00:20:29.580 I'm sure there's more to this story.

00:20:31.540 And this business of Walsh becoming obsessed

00:20:33.820 or very interested in the murder trial of Lindsay Clancy

00:20:36.460 is, of course, very interesting.

00:20:38.240 I want to know how she was in some group text message thread

00:20:43.500 with her friends and was discussing this case

00:20:48.380 as recently as 12.30 p.m. last Tuesday.

00:20:53.140 That's roughly three and a half hours before her son was discovered dead at her hand, allegedly.

00:21:00.300 And imagine this, moms, out there.

00:21:04.680 I mean, who among us does not have a text thread with our girlfriends? 1.00

00:21:09.460 You'd like to think you'd know if somebody in your text thread was a psychotic mother planning on murdering her two-year-old sometime that afternoon.

00:21:21.120 I mean, each one of those moms is going to be a witness, and that text thread is probably going to become public at some point very soon.

00:21:32.620 And I can't wait to see what it says.

00:21:35.820 I mean, what were the signs?

00:21:38.660 I just, you know, I keep coming back to the same proposition.

00:21:44.340 You have to be somewhat nuts to kill your child.

00:21:46.740 to kill in almost all circumstances unless, you know, it's like when someone harms a child and

00:21:54.080 that child's father or sometimes mother murders the person who harmed their kid, that's not crazy

00:22:01.220 to me. That's not crazy. It's, you know, it's reckless and it's illegal, but that's not crazy.

00:22:08.100 But the vast majority of murders, I would say, are crazy things to do. And in most of those cases,

00:22:14.560 is like literally insane. These gang bangers on the south side of Chicago, that's a lifestyle.

00:22:23.360 But like if you pick up a gun and you go and assassinate somebody, a school shooting, God

00:22:28.180 forbid, a mass shooting, these crazed people we see on the subway, there's something very

00:22:34.160 seriously wrong with them. But keep in mind, medical insanity and legal insanity are not

00:22:41.260 the same. The bar for legal insanity is much higher. It's much higher because those people

00:22:49.820 can get back out and they can kill again. And they do. We talked about the case of Constance

00:22:57.820 Fisher last week. The woman in Maine, she drowned her three children. She went to the mental

00:23:05.300 institution. She got let out. She had three more children with the same husband. She had the first

00:23:11.020 three with, and she drowned them too. I mean, this is deadly serious what we're dealing with here.

00:23:19.460 And it is our job as a society to protect kids, the most vulnerable among us, from the Lindsay

00:23:27.120 Clancy's of the world, from the Corey Walsh's of the world. We're not doing so well. We aren't.

00:23:33.440 And telling them implicitly or otherwise that this is, I don't want to say okay. It's not exactly

00:23:39.960 that we're saying it's okay, but understandable and we'll be quickly forgiven is dangerous stuff.

00:23:47.580 All right. I want to bring in my guest, Victor Davis Hanson. We're going to take a break first.

00:23:52.260 He's going to come back on the other side and he's actually got some thoughts on

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00:25:22.460 Joining me now are pal Victor Davis Hanson. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution

00:25:27.500 and the author of so many great books, including a new one that's out today, and it's a barn burner.

00:25:33.540 It's called The Counter-Revolution, The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA Movement.

00:25:40.740 What a great topic for you in particular, VDH. Go and buy it right now. Welcome back to the show.

00:25:46.680 We will get into this book in just a minute, but thank you so much for being here. Great to see you.

00:25:51.720 Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:25:53.480 So let's just pick it up on how we opened the show.

00:25:58.020 You know, this Lindsey Clancy case, her bizarre request for a presidential pardon, which isn't going to happen.

00:26:04.840 And now what appears to be a copycat in Illinois, Victor, as another mother kills her own child and claims psychosis.

00:26:17.400 Yeah, I think in this therapeutic culture that we have, we don't realize that human nature is unchanging and people are actually rational.

00:26:26.480 So if people believe there's no deterrence, that's really the only thing that stops people from doing bad things, whether it's social opprobrium or shame or law.

00:26:36.320 But if you channel that this is acceptable, then anybody who feels that the burdens of child-rearing or they get depressed one day, then there's a message that they can do some dastardly, horrific act and not pay the price for it.

00:26:55.540 And that transcends almost everything.

00:26:58.360 For the last century, we've recognized that people can plead insanity, but that's a very careful, narrow definition.

00:27:08.880 The other thing is, this is part of a, I don't know how to say this politely, but this is part of a war on, and we're seeing the effects on men, in the sense that if you're, we know right now that men, especially the white working class, are having problems.

00:27:26.000 that are underrepresented in universities.

00:27:29.100 They don't get degrees. 0.99

00:27:29.960 56% of degrees, bachelors go to women. 1.00

00:27:33.880 They're not, they have a prolonged adolescence. 1.00

00:27:36.520 They're tired of being told they're toxic.

00:27:39.200 But then you add this, the message of her supporters,

00:27:43.840 Lindsay Clancy, is that child rearing is entirely

00:27:47.500 in the domain and child procreation of the mother. 0.71

00:27:51.840 The father has no say at all,

00:27:54.040 even though he's half of the equation scientifically and when you want to date what

00:28:00.880 would a young man who's working and he meets a woman and she's starting to champion what this

00:28:08.220 happened and then not champion in the sense of glorifying the deaths but saying that women who

00:28:13.400 have postpartum depression should be given exemption if they do something would you want

00:28:17.780 to marry someone like that would you want to have children with someone like that who thinks the 1.00

00:28:23.420 children are her exclusive domain and can determine their fate. The other thing is 0.97

00:28:29.900 there's been a lot of this throughout history, but this is very gruesome. Even the worst example

00:28:36.640 we can think, the horrific Goebbels, the monster of history and his wife who killed their five 0.67

00:28:43.460 children on his orders. But she at least took sleeping pills and did it in their sleep, 0.82

00:28:51.220 which was horrific but she didn't look them in the eye and you think what were they thinking in

00:28:56.220 those last moments as this mother their source of comfort and nurture was strangling them

00:29:01.260 and then this whole thing about suicide as you pointed out there there's a lot of discrepancies

00:29:07.040 whether it was really intended as suicide so this isn't a class all by itself and it comes

00:29:14.300 at a time in our society i mean if you were a male i was thinking when you were talking megan

00:29:20.500 about chris kyle the american sniper he befriended this guy named i think his name was ruth or

00:29:26.380 something and he said he had post-traumatic stress and so and then he turned the gun at the gun range

00:29:32.460 and killed killed this american iconic carol but i didn't hear a lot of people rallying to his

00:29:39.220 cause and say poor man he's not i mean he was obviously and he was obviously more deranged than

00:29:44.820 than I think had prior evidence of more derangement than in this case.

00:29:50.980 But there was absolute furor about that.

00:29:54.140 And people said, that's no excuse to kill somebody like this,

00:29:57.360 murder somebody that befriended you.

00:29:59.800 And so the whole context was, this was not warranted.

00:30:03.820 And you, but it didn't apply in this case,

00:30:06.960 that mothers have a particular role to be nurturing

00:30:10.460 and protect children from people who would hurt them.

00:30:13.060 and when they turn out to be the culprit for their demise it's almost medieval and then when you see 1.00

00:30:20.520 these feminists or whatever they call themselves cheering us on and trying to make a movement out

00:30:27.180 of it the message i think if that were to take hold would be to young males who are already 0.99

00:30:33.080 confused in this weird era of ours you better be very careful who you date because you may

00:30:39.800 If this catches on in the fashion of Luigi Mangione, you may, and I think there's a lot of parallels that we see, you may meet somebody who doesn't really believe that you're a partner or responsible or have a say in the raising of your children.

00:30:56.060 And if she were to become depressed after birth, you better be careful because the society at large is going to give her an exemption if she were to do something to the children.

00:31:08.740 I think that's the message from it, whether it's, yeah, I think that is.

00:31:13.180 Sadly, yes, and this won't be the last, I'm sorry to say it, but this woman in Illinois, she won't be the last.

00:31:20.660 It's like this new idea of how to manage a challenging child has been introduced by this sick case of Lindsay Clancy.

00:31:31.360 And mothers out there who are struggling, who before wouldn't have even considered this, have now added it to the menu of coping.

00:31:41.260 It's just very, very dark, and we're going down a dark path.

00:31:46.060 And so that Tim Cruz, the DA in Massachusetts handling the Lindsey Clancy case, really does need to be careful.

00:31:52.740 He needs to be careful of not setting the wrong precedent here because he is not an activist on the street.

00:31:58.900 He's an elected official who we, the Massachusetts residents, hired to do a job, which is to put criminals behind bars and keep the citizenry safe.

00:32:10.040 And that includes the youngest and most vulnerable citizens in his jurisdiction.

00:32:15.580 You know, the children who are absolutely helpless.

00:32:17.920 Um, it's not, it's not too far afield from this growing blessing of violence that we are seeing

00:32:29.080 on the left. And as we, you know, it's today's September 8th and in two days, it's going to be

00:32:38.680 the one year mark of Charlie Kirk's assassination. It's so hard to believe that it's almost a year

00:32:45.800 Victor. You know, I was sitting right in the set when we got the news and so much has happened

00:32:51.620 over the 12 months. It's been extremely emotional, I think, for all of us who knew Charlie and a lot

00:32:56.700 of people who just felt that they knew him. Anyway, as we head into this week, you've got

00:33:03.120 these vile ghouls. I really hate to give them airtime, but they should be publicly shamed.

00:33:08.640 vile ghouls already celebrating, forgive me, they're calling it the Kirk-a-versary.

00:33:17.520 And I'll give you one example here. This woman's name is Heather, and she's got a song she's

00:33:24.740 putting out here in celebration of this one-year mark. It's at 23.

00:33:38.640 I'm a man who doesn't know how to sell a contradiction.

00:33:48.800 You come and go, you come and go.

00:33:54.680 Come, come, come, come, come, come, come, chameleon.

00:33:58.940 You come and go, you come and go.

00:34:03.580 Okay. So this woman has 18,000 followers. That post has 1.2 million likes. And for the listening 0.87

00:34:14.900 audience, what she posts on it is, um, she's getting her, she writes, getting my playlist

00:34:21.920 of songs that remind me of Charlie ready for the Kirkiversary party. And, um, you know, the,

00:34:28.500 the words are, I'm a man without conviction, a man who doesn't know how to sell a contradiction.

00:34:32.360 you come and go. And then in the middle of the video, she pretends to shoot to get shot in the

00:34:38.120 neck, as we've seen some disgusting characters do. And we could be here for a while if I played

00:34:43.980 all the ones, Victor. Well, Hasan Piker, you remember, he led his audience in a song celebrating

00:34:49.580 Charlie Kirk's death. And then he's been mainstreamed, at least until recently, by

00:34:54.500 Democratic candidates. And it comes, as you say, it's the Luigi Mangione phenomenon. Donald Trump

00:35:01.720 is the first president in U.S. history that the Secret Service had to return fire at a potential

00:35:07.940 assassin on four different occasions. And I went back when I was writing the book and looked at

00:35:13.020 the reaction to each one of those. And it was glee. It was glee that the attempt was made,

00:35:18.500 but it was disappointment that it wasn't completed. And it wasn't just fringe people.

00:35:22.980 There were a lot of people on the hard left that came forward, celebrities and everybody.

00:35:28.660 and it's lowering the bar on the acceptable and what's so strange about it Megan is

00:35:35.740 when Barack Obama was president if you you remember this I know there was a clown in the

00:35:41.580 Missouri State Fair and he put on an Obama mask and that he had done that with other presidents

00:35:47.380 Nixon mask Clinton mask but the left got so enraged and they said this threatens Barack

00:35:53.620 obama's life and they banned him not just from that fair but they banned him for life

00:35:58.720 they banned him for life and there were editorials everywhere that america's a sick society because

00:36:04.680 but he didn't he didn't even approach ever threatening violence to obama and it's it's so

00:36:13.860 one-sided and asymmetrical that i don't even know that the left is even aware of it they've

00:36:20.260 mainstreamed it so much. It's on college campuses. It's deeply embedded in the democratic

00:36:26.240 socialists. And I don't really don't think the democratic socialists for that matter

00:36:29.580 are absorbing the democratic party as much as being invited in and just adopting what was their

00:36:36.440 prior agenda anyway. I don't think there's much difference. They keep saying there's a big

00:36:40.560 difference, but most of the agenda of the democratic socialists was already enacted or

00:36:45.560 tried to be enacted or was promoted by mainstream democrats so this is this is not necessarily a

00:36:52.300 fringe anymore it's getting more and more mainstream and in massachusetts with this other

00:36:56.920 case i think most of the people at the time believed bill clinton that he said that

00:37:02.400 abortion should be legal but rare and he had limits on it but when massachusetts just signed

00:37:10.520 that abortion law that said, in theory, but there will be actual cases, despite the Gosling

00:37:17.240 experience, that you can abort a baby in the birth canal. People were cheering. There's no

00:37:25.600 restriction on the life of the mother. I mean, if a person decides at the last moment when the baby

00:37:31.060 can see life out the birth canal and you're going to kill that baby, at least you would think...

00:37:36.060 That's a very good point.

00:37:36.780 Yeah, you'd think that there would be—it was cheering.

00:37:39.600 It was this Mangione Clancy mentality that there's something—it's a death cult.

00:37:44.780 Is there such a difference between killing, as you point out, basically in the birth canal versus killing when you have an eight-month there, like little Callan Clancy?

00:37:52.400 I don't think so.

00:37:53.220 Not really.

00:37:53.880 I don't think, though.

00:37:54.620 And then you think of the sick society where we spend billions of dollars to refine the science of saving babies at 23, 25 weeks now.

00:38:04.660 and we put all that investment in it to save a little baby that can be saved at premature that

00:38:12.980 nobody ever thought would be possible at five months and then that same society allows you to

00:38:19.580 kill a fully formed viable baby at the last moment and nobody objects in this this state they're all

00:38:27.820 cheering and it's a sickness that um i think we're missing and it's it's infected the left

00:38:35.620 and it's getting worse and worse and worse and it's a death it's a death call so they really do

00:38:44.300 we saw it first and when i wrote the book about trump most of it's about the fall of him what

00:38:50.240 they did and i could not believe i went over i went through all the people in the military who

00:38:57.040 just said things that were horrific that he was the same as people in Auschwitz and that he was

00:39:04.320 Mussolini that he was Hitler and then all of this how to shoot him Robert De Niro let's beat him up

00:39:11.580 Snoop Dogg let's shoot him Kathy Griffin let's behead him let's light millennia on fire Peter

00:39:18.080 Fond it it was so Madonna let's blow up the White House there was no replica and everybody thought

00:39:24.600 it was neat. And now that is orthodoxy, that, that you really want to kill somebody you disagree

00:39:31.560 with, especially if they're effective and they want to undo the progressive project like Charlie

00:39:37.360 Kirk. And they're very smart. The problem they had with Charlie was that he was a real visionary

00:39:44.580 and he understood that youth are naturally rebellious. And he said to them, I want to

00:39:51.220 channel that rebelliousness into reminding you who is the orthodox establishment it's the left

00:39:57.340 they control the universities the media the corporate boardroom popular culture they are

00:40:02.560 the ones that are making things hard for us so you can be a revolutionary or you can be a dissident

00:40:09.460 and you can be conservative because they are the establishment and that was something that left had

00:40:15.140 never really experienced that they were old fuddy-duddy reactionaries, which they are in

00:40:21.260 some sense. And that's why I think all of these have a political motive. And we kind of forget

00:40:27.980 that. We think they're crazy or Luigi Mangione. But you take a deep breath and you think,

00:40:33.140 well, Charlie Kirk's gone. And in those two or three states in the 2024 election,

00:40:39.580 you can make the argument that his get out of the vote and registering young people made the

00:40:44.260 difference in places like michigan and he was a very heroic figure and he's gone now and he's

00:40:50.420 not going to be replaced i don't see anybody on the horizon that has that talent oh at least not

00:40:57.280 yet and so nobody talks about that the that that killing really made a difference in for for i

00:41:08.080 think for years in the political landscape if he was there right now and the midterms that are

00:41:13.720 coming up, he would be the one person that would be saying, let's not be pessimistic.

00:41:19.600 I know these are socialists, but let's talk about what we're doing right. And he would go out and

00:41:24.060 blanket these key races. And he's not there. And there's nobody that can take up that slack.

00:41:30.640 And that's-

00:41:31.080 It's true. It's one of the reasons why people who are more conspiratorial

00:41:34.620 don't think Tyler Robinson killed him, because Charlie was just so valuable to the Republican

00:41:40.160 Party, to MAGA, to Trump, that it would be natural to think, who else benefits? Who else

00:41:46.780 would benefit from silencing that voice? Because he was so powerful.

00:41:51.300 But he also, I think we also, we don't, we're afraid or we don't want to talk about

00:41:56.740 this whole trans phenomenon, which historically, if you look at sexologists of the 19th century,

00:42:03.920 They coined the word gender dysphoria.

00:42:07.220 There's common examples in antiquity in Catullus, for example, of Petronius the Satyricon,

00:42:15.580 of people who cross-dress and think they belong to the other sex.

00:42:19.060 But it's always considered very, very rare, and this idea that it's 10% of the population.

00:42:25.980 And then when you inject drugs and all of these things that we talk about, hormones,

00:42:30.540 these dangerous drugs that usually the left says are too dangerous

00:42:33.620 and physicians are overreaching, now they have the opposite view.

00:42:37.340 And then you look at the percentage of trans shooters in mass shootings.

00:42:42.820 It's way overrepresented.

00:42:44.940 Disturbingly high.

00:42:45.440 Yeah, and then you can't talk about that.

00:42:48.020 By the way, I want to say...

00:42:48.500 You can't talk about it.

00:42:49.500 You can't say it.

00:42:50.440 I'm done using the term trans.

00:42:54.280 Done. 1.00

00:42:55.000 I will say someone is gender confused. 1.00

00:42:57.620 Sometimes they genuinely are. 1.00

00:42:58.800 sometimes they're faking it. But there's no such thing as trans. That's not a thing. You can't 1.00

00:43:04.820 transition your gender. We've been engaging in this fiction for too long. We've been playing 1.00

00:43:10.060 their game by using that word. That's a made-up word to describe something that is a mental

00:43:15.520 illness for which people deserve compassion and empathy and support, not to transition themselves,

00:43:23.040 but to get comfortable with their own natural God-given body and biological sex.

00:43:28.520 But I think the proper term is just that person's gender confused.

00:43:32.080 It's a man who's gender confused. 0.65

00:43:34.000 That's it.

00:43:34.540 There's no more trance.

00:43:35.860 I'm not using that word anymore.

00:43:37.400 It's made up.

00:43:38.500 But I agree with every word you said.

00:43:40.240 And that too, the anger in that community, the violence in that community

00:43:47.160 has been unleashed on too many unsuspecting Americans already,

00:43:51.080 children and adults and national treasures like charlie and um easily explains the violence that

00:43:59.160 we saw nearly one year ago today yeah i i just don't think we're we know we appreciate that

00:44:04.880 we've been in a cultural a real revolution and when you look at some of these democratic so

00:44:11.420 what they've been saying about i just got you to your country and the only thing that's going to

00:44:15.700 save you, we're going to have to have mandatory reparations, or we have to fundamentally change

00:44:21.280 the United States, or we're going to, you don't know what you're doing, we're going to get rid

00:44:24.500 of your electoral college. We've never seen anything like that, of first and second generation 0.99

00:44:29.280 immigrants from failed societies coming over here and reciprocating our magnanimity with contempt 1.00

00:44:36.300 for the structure. Like Ilhan Omar? Yes, absolutely. And then we say to her, 1.00

00:44:41.980 yeah they're completely asymmetrical so we don't go home yeah stop like you love Somalia so much 0.99

00:44:49.980 go back there but no one here wants to make the United States more like Somalia but you say

00:44:55.220 things and I've been a lot of criticism I said to him about Mondami he used the word settler 0.63

00:45:00.180 colonialist I said okay if you want to make that argument but what are you you're from the one

00:45:05.360 percent in india that controls 65 percent of the gdp and you were a child of privilege with a state

00:45:12.100 on as a non-indigenous person on lake victoria and the child of two phds and then you went to

00:45:20.320 south africa your parents did to find opportunity but you you don't have roots in a particular and

00:45:25.660 if you used your own vocabulary you would condemn yourself as disproportionately

00:45:31.260 expropriating wealth in Uganda? Or what's Hassan Piker, a multimillionaire? Or what's,

00:45:38.320 you mentioned Ilya Omar. We're not even allowed to say that Saeed Barry murdered 200,000 of his

00:45:46.120 own people in that civil war between Somalia and Somaliland. And her father was a colonel

00:45:51.700 in that army. And the reason that we have so many Somalis in Minnesota and elsewhere is

00:45:58.560 that when that genocidal, and that was a genocidal dictatorship, fell, 1.00

00:46:04.440 most of its adherents got out, and they got out either to Europe,

00:46:09.800 but a lot of them in the United States.

00:46:12.600 And we're not even allowed to talk about it.

00:46:15.400 When she starts accusing our country of all these sins, nobody says to her,

00:46:20.980 well, we accepted you because your father and your family were tied into a government

00:46:25.640 that killed over 200 000 people butchered them so you should be very careful i mean we used to 0.98

00:46:32.160 let memigrants in and then in the 1950s and 60s we found some of them were prison guards 0.91

00:46:38.240 or had nazi associations or when death squads and we strict their citizenship and deported them 0.83

00:46:44.500 we did that dozens of times so that that's what i mean that's like that's really all these

00:46:51.720 foreign foreigners who are here, like at our universities after 10-7, celebrating the mass 0.99

00:47:00.580 murder we saw in Israel, like celebrating the murder of babies and the elderly. And Marco 0.98

00:47:05.880 Rubio said, you need to go home now. That's you, you, you celebrating murder is not consistent

00:47:13.500 with our foreign policy or our views here in America in a way that's going to keep fellow

00:47:19.360 Americans safe. And that to me still makes sense. Like, why would we allow foreigners, whether

00:47:25.640 they're in Congress or elsewhere, people who have come here from other countries but have 1.00

00:47:32.280 serious roots in a foreign country, to try to change America to be more like these other

00:47:37.920 countries and their values? That'd be the same as telling me or my daughter, we can't wear a tank 0.87

00:47:42.740 top when we walk down the street because it's going to offend some radical Muslim man. Go home.

00:47:48.240 If you don't want to see that, you should move back to Saudi Arabia or UAE, wherever.

00:47:53.080 Go back to where that actually is a standard.

00:47:56.060 UAE is a bit more modern, but whatever.

00:47:58.540 I think a lot of our problems we're having with Europe and Canada are not, we're chauvinistic,

00:48:06.400 or we defend them, we subsidize their defense, we run up huge trade surpluses, we're trying

00:48:11.600 to help them, but they are not as competitive or they're not the countries we used to know.

00:48:17.700 And one of the reasons is, in Canada, 45% of the Canadian population was either not born in the United States or their parents were not born.

00:48:26.920 And they have their centennial initiative they brag about, that they want to get 100 million people in the next 15 years, or 20 years, through immigration, so they can challenge the United States and be a big power.

00:48:42.360 And the same thing with Europe.

00:48:43.540 They're open borders, 16% of the population.

00:48:45.760 And the problem is that they are bringing in people from Latin America, Africa, and Asia with enormous needs for health care, food, shelter, education, legal.

00:48:57.520 And there are socialist economies that are completely unarmed, and they won't honor their defense promises for the most part until recently.

00:49:07.440 Canada may or may not have done it for the first time last year.

00:49:10.360 they can't do it because they have a socialist green new green deal energy policy a socialist

00:49:16.480 closed economy and they want us they want us to subsidize it by running up huge deficits with

00:49:24.300 them on trade with that's right spending in the last 15 years if you look at the aggregate budget

00:49:30.440 of defense spending in europe versus the united states it's a seven trillion dollar difference

00:49:35.960 that we invested and a lot of that went to protecting the west so i you know and by the

00:49:42.060 way when when you know the prime minister of canada tries to play tough with us now because

00:49:45.860 of this tariff war there's no gratitude there's no like you know what thanks for it's like there's

00:49:50.860 just bitterness and anger that we've now decided it needs to be more fair victor i gotta put a

00:49:57.120 pause there i do want to talk about this but i have to go to break we'll have more with vdh

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00:53:17.400 in our first hour. Lindsey Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, sat down for another interview

00:53:22.860 after his ABC interview with Stephanopoulos. This time was with CBS Boston's Christina Rex.

00:53:29.920 And she did ask the question that Stephanopoulos failed to ask about the fact that a U.S. president,

00:53:38.040 even this one, cannot issue a pardon for a state crime. So why is her lawyer asking President

00:53:45.840 Trump for a pardon. Watch. Here's the exchange. As you noted, the president took note of your case

00:53:51.900 and on Good Morning America this morning, you asked him for a pardon. But Lindsey's facing

00:53:56.600 state charges. So a presidential pardon isn't an option here. So what's the goal there? 0.97

00:54:01.640 The goal is pretty simple. It's to seek help from Trump. I mean, if President Trump feels that this

00:54:10.380 is a case that warrants that type of intervention from the executive branch, if you will, even

00:54:17.600 though legally it's not a federal case, he certainly has an awful lot of clout. And I'm

00:54:23.340 sure that, you know, were he hypothetically to reach out to Tim Cruz, you know, they're

00:54:29.560 both Republicans, you know, and I don't know, maybe that will be something that Tim would

00:54:33.840 listen to and consider. I think any type of help that we can get is helpful.

00:54:40.380 Okay, so he's been informed between the Stephanopoulos interview and this one that Trump can't issue a pardon for a state crime. I don't think he knew. I'm going to be honest. I don't think he knew. I think he genuinely just learned that today. I think he was today years old when he learned that. I don't know because now it's changed to I just want his clout. Why wouldn't you have just asked for that? Why wouldn't you have just said, President Trump, I see you've weighed in on this.

00:55:07.000 sure would be grateful if you'd reached out to Tim Cruz and suggest to him that we should go easy

00:55:11.900 on Lindsay or that we should put her in a mental facility as opposed to behind bars. Why wouldn't

00:55:16.140 you say that? Why would you ask for a legal remedy that is completely inapt and unavailable to you?

00:55:21.580 It's very strange. I think he had some sort of a mental freeze. I don't know what it was, but

00:55:27.700 that answer there does not clear anything up. It's basically an admission that he understood he

00:55:35.220 was wrong in what he was asking for. That's not available to him, but very strange. I'm not

00:55:40.780 exactly sure what's going on there. We are back now with Victor Davis Hanson. He is the author of

00:55:47.840 the new book called The Counter-Revolution, The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA

00:55:53.660 Movement. I love that. It's not the rise and fall. It's the fall and rise because, of course,

00:55:59.160 that's what we have seen with Trump. I just want to say, like, in reading part of the book, this is

00:56:05.820 so good, Victor, because you're exactly the person to write this book. You do not have

00:56:10.780 Trump derangement syndrome. You're fair. You understand the Republican Party, like the

00:56:16.620 factions of it. And you write the following in this book. He's the only ex-president to have

00:56:22.520 been the target of some 91 local, state, and federal criminal charges. The only ex-president

00:56:28.840 to have his home raided by the FBI,

00:56:30.920 the only ex-president to have been targeted

00:56:32.500 for ballot removal by some 25 states,

00:56:36.040 the only ex-president to have been impeached twice,

00:56:40.180 and the only ex-president to have been tried

00:56:42.140 in the Senate as a private citizen.

00:56:44.740 Yet only Trump could have avoided

00:56:46.260 the vast majority of convictions

00:56:47.580 and escaped all jail time,

00:56:50.340 overcome four years of daily political obituaries,

00:56:52.860 and as an elderly septuagenarian,

00:56:56.360 out-campaigned and outworked presidents

00:56:57.920 in candidates 30 years younger. No Republican has ever been so caught up in melodramas and so

00:57:03.980 successfully survived them and turned them to his political advantage. That is the enigma of Trump.

00:57:12.760 And yet you wrestle in this book with even conceding all that. What's the future of MAGA

00:57:21.140 without Trump in office? And this is something both his detractors and his most ardent supporters

00:57:27.860 would love to see answered. Yeah, well, I think you could start, and I say that,

00:57:33.540 I don't see us going back to the old Republican Party of, and I supported it, you did too,

00:57:41.700 probably, of the Bushes and John McCain and Mitt Romney, because they were more political,

00:57:50.380 but their idea was, we have to slow down the progressive project. The universities are lost,

00:57:58.500 So we'll try to deal with them.

00:58:00.800 We know that media is biased.

00:58:03.340 But if you had said to any of those people,

00:58:05.880 no, these people want to destroy the United States as you know it,

00:58:09.180 and NPR is a joke, and PBS, I'm going to try to defund it.

00:58:13.000 Or I'm going to try to say these universities are ripping off

00:58:15.680 for 50%, 40% sure charges on federal grants.

00:58:19.640 They're going to go down to 15%.

00:58:20.880 I'm going to tax their endowment.

00:58:22.320 I'm going to make sure that people have First Amendment,

00:58:26.320 fourth amendment fifth amendment sixth amendment rights on campuses and i'm gonna go after these

00:58:32.800 people who defund the police we're gonna have police in washington i'm gonna try this to fix

00:58:38.640 the monuments and fix the white house veneer i'm gonna try to do all i'm gonna close the border i'm

00:58:44.000 not just gonna close the border i'm gonna try to deport three million people if you know anybody

00:58:48.080 had said that they thought he was crazy so i think he saw that the republican party either

00:58:56.480 through bad policies or just emphasis on tax and regulations and not the middle class that was the

00:59:02.620 victims of globalization that muscular classes especially of all races that wasn't their

00:59:09.580 constituency they were voting for obama and eight million or nine million middle class

00:59:14.520 conservatives did not vote in 2008 and 2012. So that was his message, and I think that's now

00:59:23.220 orthodox, that if anybody comes along and says, well, we're going to go back to George H.W. Bush,

00:59:31.060 free trade, no worries about it. It's going to make us more competitive. Our trade surpluses

00:59:37.180 on their behalf are not sustainable. So I don't think that's going to be viable. I don't think

00:59:42.760 it's going to be viable to any of that stuff so the question then is you know trump trolls people

00:59:49.280 but he knows he's not going to run for a third he can't constitutionally he knows that so it's

00:59:53.900 going to be vance is that the head runner he's a brilliant rhetorician i think people said when he

01:00:01.580 was appointed vice president what are you doing he's a white male like trump he's from an ohio

01:00:07.320 a red state that's Trump's anyway. What's the bargain? And everybody in the Trump camp said,

01:00:13.300 wait till he deals with the media. You won't believe what he does. And he did that.

01:00:17.380 Well, the other thing about Vance was he makes Trump assassination proof because

01:00:23.880 he's just like Trump on virtually all the issues. So it's like, you can't give Trump's assassins

01:00:31.420 hope that if they get rid of the top dog, they're going to get something dramatically

01:00:36.240 different in the number two position. And I tried to point that out in the book. And I said,

01:00:40.080 this is one of the few vice presidencies that is a force multiplier of the president. So when

01:00:45.360 Reagan ran, people thought he was too radical. So we're going to get a kinder, gentler George H.W.

01:00:50.920 Bush. And the only thing that was comparable was Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. They were kind

01:00:56.520 of alike. But usually, yeah, that's way scarier. Yeah. Yeah. And so usually you try to balance

01:01:04.780 the people a little bit but not with vance is going he is a mega person so and rubio has

01:01:12.560 magnanimous and trump chose him within a a couple of days of getting shot in the ear he did it was

01:01:18.380 like that at that point i really i know yeah that trump one of the main arguments was you can't

01:01:24.200 pick somebody who to your to your detractors would make them feel like if we can just assassinate

01:01:31.740 Trump will do better with this other guy. It has to be somebody who they believe will enact your

01:01:37.280 agenda with or without you. And then Rubio has said that if Vance runs, he will not run. I think

01:01:44.140 that's still operative. But both of them had fiercely opposed. I'd had a talk with J.D. Vance

01:01:52.560 right in 2016 when he wrote that op ed comparing Trump to Hitler. And I remember Marco Rubio in

01:02:00.220 the debate with trump you remember little marco exchange and all of that so they both they both

01:02:05.560 i was there yeah you were there so that you can't say either one of them is a johnny come lady or

01:02:12.440 you know was that that's there and i i think that ron dissent is a great candidate and all that but

01:02:17.540 right now i think there'll be a rivalry and we'll see what happens the only thing

01:02:22.500 and this will be controversial there is a growing split it's not like the democratic split

01:02:28.500 and there's nothing like the anti-Semitism of the left but there is a growing split

01:02:35.440 in the Republican ranks and JD is trying to finesse that and Rubio is quiet about it because

01:02:44.240 I think he disagrees with it and I don't know to what degree that is going to blossom but

01:02:50.060 at some point uh he's going to have to well it's Rubio is more popular with the neocons

01:02:58.120 but he doesn't want to lose the support of the more non-interventionalist win.

01:03:03.220 And J.D.'s more popular with the non-interventionalists,

01:03:06.480 but he doesn't want to lose the support of the neocons.

01:03:08.980 I mean, no Republican, whatever, you can get the nomination by just having one or the other,

01:03:14.120 but you can't get the presidency with a divided Republican Party.

01:03:17.300 You have to have all the Republican Party and then some in order to win.

01:03:21.100 and the problem is that um for jd as i see it who has made you know he said i don't i can't i don't

01:03:31.420 want to be told who i can talk to whom i can talk to fine but some of the people like marjorie taylor

01:03:37.420 green or thomas massey or sometimes tucker they say things when you say you want to impeach trump

01:03:45.360 or he's satanic or Marjorie Taylor Greene has said she prefer or you prefer El Saeed.

01:03:52.060 They say things that are almost as if I'm not saying they are, but they're almost designed to

01:03:56.580 put JD into a dilemma. In other words, they keep. Well, I think that faction that faction that you

01:04:03.780 just mentioned sees JD as in a dilemma. They're not trying to put him in one, but they genuinely

01:04:10.640 think some faction of them that that he should have resigned after the war in Iraq, like that

01:04:14.720 he shouldn't have stayed. And that's going to come back to haunt him when we get into

01:04:18.820 Republican primaries. Well, it depends on the denouement. So if you had, I mean, I don't know

01:04:26.080 what's going to happen. The problem with Iran is nobody knows what's going on inside because the 1.00

01:04:30.560 first war we've had no international media on the ground. We've had no ground troops. We've had no

01:04:35.860 embedded reporters. All we know about is cell phone people who are calling out. And when they

01:04:42.220 call out, they're rounded up. And there's been thousands killed after the 45,000, every day.

01:04:49.240 So we don't know. But if there were to be a popular dissent, and they go out on the street

01:04:55.220 again, and this new strategy, which I don't know why it wasn't implemented on day one.

01:05:02.020 I know. I know. The economic pressure seems to be a great tactic versus what we were doing.

01:05:07.780 The anaconda strategy is, I mean, we've never done this with secondary boycotts before.

01:05:12.840 So we're telling nations.

01:05:14.100 I think the audience knows this, but just in case you don't know this, 0.87

01:05:16.860 the Iranians continue to try to tempt Trump back into fighting.

01:05:21.020 They really would like the war to escalate.

01:05:22.820 They realize how bad that is for the world, for America, for Trump's political chances.

01:05:27.340 And Trump has gotten smart on this and has realized this isn't a good idea. 0.75

01:05:31.860 And there's no winning a war against Iran unless we go full boots on the ground, 0.89

01:05:36.560 for which there is zero appetite in America, maybe 2% of the public wants it. 0.96

01:05:41.140 That's never going to happen.

01:05:42.040 So he's ratcheting up the economic sanctions on them now.

01:05:44.780 And by all reports, even amongst the far-left haters, it's working.

01:05:49.520 It's working a lot better, and the Iranians are feeling the pain.

01:05:52.380 The mullahs, the IRGC crowd. 1.00

01:05:55.220 And they're going to try an October surprise probably a week before the election 0.99

01:05:58.820 and have a whole volley of missiles that are carried.

01:06:01.520 They'll do that, obviously, because they want a reaction, as you point out.

01:06:04.520 but if they can squeeze them and there is widespread support and there is i think people

01:06:11.240 realize the people are on our side and if there should be another demonstration that but this

01:06:16.920 time successful and i remember when the berlin wall fell two years it took the soviet union and

01:06:22.980 six months for most of eastern europe that could change everything because for all the talk about

01:06:29.520 forever wars, that he will be criticized, and endless wars, and all the misadventures in

01:06:36.280 Afghanistan, 20 years, and the combined dead in Iraq and Afghanistan of 7,400 dead and over 50,000

01:06:45.420 wounded. We've only had, we've had about 300 people wounded and 17 dead, and we spent about

01:06:52.840 75 billion 18 18 18 yeah 18 said the president yesterday well we yeah i didn't see that yesterday

01:07:00.640 but so in terms of if you can nuke that that country with 93 million people and its size

01:07:09.020 and its scientific traditions it was the main problem with the middle east it doesn't forget

01:07:16.540 Israel or anything. Terrorism in Europe, its missiles could hit all, they were going to

01:07:22.000 blackmail Europe and us. And if that stopped and flipped to a pro-Western government like we're

01:07:30.120 seeing in Latin America, that would really change things. And you can see it in Latin America. People

01:07:36.360 did not like the Maduro thing. I think that's why Trump, that's what Trump believed for some time

01:07:42.200 over the past year. I don't think he believes that anymore. I think he understands he's dealing

01:07:45.960 with some tough MFers who want nothing more

01:07:49.820 than just to make us suffer.

01:07:51.660 I think he realizes now.

01:07:52.960 And we've engaged with them in a way

01:07:55.020 that has allowed that to happen, unfortunately,

01:07:57.600 with these oil prices and their control

01:08:00.360 over the Strait of Hormuz.

01:08:01.380 And look, Trump, every president

01:08:04.520 has to learn things for himself.

01:08:06.320 It's kind of like just being a human.

01:08:09.520 Sometimes there are things you have to learn for yourself.

01:08:11.580 And even if somebody else tells you,

01:08:13.560 can't trust these guys,

01:08:14.480 They're not going to negotiate in good faith.

01:08:16.300 These are not good people who will respond to the normal, you know, stimuli the way other world actors will, even like a Kim Jong-un has.

01:08:27.480 You know, I think Trump believes in himself so much that he thinks he can overcome any obstacle or any douchebag on the opposite side, which is both his superpower and in this particular instance, a negative.

01:08:40.480 No, you can't talk with these people.

01:08:43.480 you can't talk yeah they're incapable of telling the different kettle of fish yes they're a

01:08:48.040 theocratic zealotry and you can't talk but you can squeeze them into poverty and and that's what

01:08:55.800 that's what we're doing we should have done it on day one but i think they were afraid you know to

01:09:00.220 have a secondary boycott and all that or they thought it would be quicker but you know when

01:09:05.020 you look at latin america there were 32 nations in the caribbean central america latin america and

01:09:11.160 when trump came into office or the last year about i think 75 percent of more anti-american

01:09:18.860 and non-democratic and now there's only six there's just six countries you know it's colombia

01:09:26.500 venezuela el salvador argentina chile bolivia peru they've all flipped and the only real

01:09:36.820 are Nicaragua and Cuba are the only real ones that are problem and Paraguay maybe and Mexico

01:09:42.320 it's not going not not going so well down in Cuba no and I mean that's a radical revolution and it

01:09:48.840 means that we don't we're not the bad Yankee imperialist that that these are grassroots

01:09:55.240 consensual because they saw the United States was was not going to let Canada take over the Panama

01:10:01.300 canal and they were not going to let maduro keep sending drugs and two million illegal aliens in

01:10:07.860 the united states which he did many of them yeah yeah and he they were acting on china's behalf

01:10:13.600 so if that that could flip the middle east it's a very i mean he took an enormous risk before the

01:10:19.960 midterms but we don't know about that but getting back to jd at some point though he's going to have

01:10:26.200 to have a strategy that can reconcile these two groups because the Republicans have a very thin

01:10:33.240 I got to be honest I'm not looking forward to this like I'm looking forward to what's going

01:10:36.600 to happen on team Dem to watch their infighting and see like who's going to emerge because it's

01:10:40.940 a true mystery over on that side who's going to be the next nominee I really hope that Trump just

01:10:48.060 hands it to JD or Marco either one of those whatever but like that he makes it clear he

01:10:53.700 doesn't really want a bruising primary and that he passes the baton. And because the Republican

01:11:00.360 Party is not in good shape right now, it is divided. Even Trump's own coalition is less

01:11:06.060 supportive of him than it was a year ago. We just pulled the numbers that he's down 14%

01:11:11.020 amongst Republicans versus last August of 2025. He's way down with independents. And we just,

01:11:17.560 like Team Red cannot afford a bruising extended primary fight. It would be much better

01:11:23.220 even though it's an open election year if they could somehow find a way around that by having

01:11:27.980 the current big dog endorse the next person and i think he will do that not not too soon because he

01:11:35.160 you know this is the apprentice host but i think he'll do it eventually i think the short term is

01:11:40.020 maybe bleak you know in the sense that 39 out of the last 41 midterms the end party loses seats and

01:11:46.380 when they have less than i think it's 20 or 15 seats they lose the house or less than four margin

01:11:52.700 and they'd lose the Senate.

01:11:54.220 So the statistics are, and maybe redistricting or maybe,

01:11:57.400 but they're going to be in a tough fight for the midterms.

01:11:59.520 But they were given a great gift by the overt Democratic Socialists of America,

01:12:06.200 all of these people coming out of the woodwork

01:12:09.500 and really telling people what they're for.

01:12:12.640 All right, let me ask you a question.

01:12:13.900 Let me ask you a question.

01:12:15.100 I agree with you.

01:12:15.720 These people are radical.

01:12:16.680 and but but my i i just want to talk about whether you you are right i don't know the answer that

01:12:25.240 they've been that the republicans have gotten a big gift by them becoming the nominees like

01:12:29.640 el sayed in michigan and so on because they're pulling up like el sayed is up over mike rogers

01:12:36.060 um that guy tony jackson in maine he's up over susan collins right now he's he i think he doesn't

01:12:43.040 officially associate with dsa but he's there's an affiliation but my point is simply they seem

01:12:49.100 to motivate the a faction yes of voters that might not otherwise get to the polls you know

01:12:56.300 there's been like a general disgust with the establishment democrat party that and i'm not

01:13:03.900 defending any one of their radical policies don't get me wrong i'm just talking about sheer politics

01:13:07.720 now but i you know whether that's a net plus for democrats or a net negative you have to put in

01:13:12.380 context, I did an interview and a person got very angry because I said El Saeed was going to have a

01:13:19.140 close race in the primary. And he was up, I was quoted 9, 10, 11 point lead. And the same thing,

01:13:26.520 if you look at the last two elections of Susan Collins, she's down from four to six points 1.00

01:13:31.120 on election eve. And so what I'm getting at is we know now that the Democratic Party does the

01:13:37.800 following their pollsters and most of them are all liberal except with one or two exceptions

01:13:43.140 harvard harris had uh donald trump beyond the married margin of error losing by four points

01:13:49.980 on election night and he won by a point and a half the des moines register the gold standard

01:13:54.320 had him down three points and he won by 12 so saeed uh was up by 10 and he won by one

01:14:02.920 and so i'm not sure that the democratic parties look at polling different than we do they look

01:14:09.340 at it as to create momentum and donor contributions up until about the last two weeks and then they

01:14:16.860 get panicky and they say we can't lie anymore because we're going to be totally disgraced

01:14:21.000 so we're going to make it close we'll say it's three or four points so i don't put much uh but

01:14:27.620 i do i don't think this i think they'll keep the senate i'm not sure about the house but

01:14:31.460 they were given... Did you see that news today? There's just news today about the Senate, which is

01:14:36.620 not great. We don't, I mean, this, whatever. It's only September 8th, but I will say just today,

01:14:43.160 Decision Desk HQ, which is an aggregator of polls, posted this on X. The Decision Desk HQ forecast

01:14:51.720 now has the U.S. Senate as a pure toss-up for the first time since early June. The average seat

01:14:57.380 outcome across 1 million simulations remains a 50-50 tie, which would be a narrow win for

01:15:03.320 Republicans because J.D. Vance would cast the tie-breaking vote. But the modal outcomes for

01:15:08.420 the Senate are now about equivalently 50-50 tie and 51-49 Dem. Cook Political Report has these

01:15:18.000 same six states as toss-ups, and then they go through. In Maine, they've got, these are all

01:15:24.320 toss-ups under Cook, but the Dems win, according to these projections. Maine, 52%. The Dem,

01:15:31.380 Troy Jackson wins over Collins. Texas, 53%. Tallarica over Paxton. I just threw up in my

01:15:36.680 mouth. Ohio, 54%. The Dem, Sherrod Brown over incumbent John Husted for Vance's old seat.

01:15:42.820 Alaska, 58%. Dem, this Mary Peltola over incumbent Dan Sullivan, who, among other things,

01:15:49.740 is dealing with two other Republicans on the ballot against him,

01:15:54.640 one of whom is also named Dan Sullivan, so there could be a splitting.

01:15:58.020 And then toss-ups, but GOP win, they've got Iowa going that way.

01:16:02.560 And lean down, they've got Michigan, El Sayed over Mike Rogers for now.

01:16:06.180 So that's unsettling, but it's still kind of, we've just got a couple more months.

01:16:11.100 Yeah, I mean, if you look at where Trump's popularity is now,

01:16:15.580 it's not that different than Obama, Clinton, and George Bush at this time.

01:16:19.740 So historically, he's got Biden. Biden was more unpopular at this time. And Clinton had a disastrous midterm. And Obama had the second worst after Roosevelt's check in 38.

01:16:36.700 So historically, all the odds are against the Republicans.

01:16:40.980 They have a little bit of edge with redistricting, not as much as they thought,

01:16:45.480 and maybe the Supreme Court might give them racial gerrymandering in one seat.

01:16:50.520 So it's going to be very close.

01:16:52.340 And the tragedy of it is that if you look at the long term with the foreign investment,

01:16:59.100 And I wasn't looking at the short term, but I mean, even this 160,000 jobs were created.

01:17:05.940 Most of them were not government jobs.

01:17:07.900 They were in the private sector.

01:17:10.220 But I think the deregulation and Scott Bessant is right.

01:17:14.840 And when the war is over, there's going to be a surplus of oil coming out of Russia and Venezuela and us.

01:17:20.580 And the price will go down and the foreign investment is there.

01:17:24.880 Maybe not what Trump says, 15 trillion, but maybe 10.

01:17:29.100 More importantly, I was looking the other day, Megan, at software companies, digital media companies, satellite launches, space investment, and military defense companies, and software, yeah, worldwide, 10 top based on either market capitalization or downloads or usage, depending on, and bioengineering.

01:17:55.940 in every single category the america's american was either american companies with their nine of

01:18:03.940 the top 10 or eight of the top 10 and then when you look at gdp i went back and looked at what

01:18:09.300 people said 15 years ago that by 2020 to 25 china would have a larger gdp than we did

01:18:17.500 china has four times the population it's 10 trillion dollars smaller still we're 31 trillion

01:18:24.800 they're 21 the eu has a hundred million more people than we do they're 21 trillion and so

01:18:32.520 this country is really on the right track it's just i think partly they neglected the midterms

01:18:39.680 they're not talking about that crime is at a historical low or they close the border or they've

01:18:44.380 deported three million people or any of that or they talk about it but even inflation biden at

01:18:50.980 average 5.2 percent over inflation and then i you know i was listening i thought wow this is really

01:18:58.280 bad trump is going to get almost three percent inflation then i looked at 1.9 the first year

01:19:06.260 probably three percent this year might they say lower but it'll probably be at least three

01:19:10.540 but that's a lot lower than 5.1 and 20 almost 21 over the aggregate you know what it is victor

01:19:17.400 I think they're worried about talking about that because they don't want to sound out of touch.

01:19:23.740 Like, you're fine.

01:19:24.840 Things are great when they know people don't feel that.

01:19:28.620 And part of the problem is, and I didn't realize this myself until I sat down with a couple of very smart financial people who were explaining that inflation that jacked up those prices is here to stay.

01:19:38.560 Yeah, I think that was the most.

01:19:39.640 Once Biden jacked it up, those prices went up.

01:19:43.380 It's like it's impossible then to turn it.

01:19:46.620 you can turn down the rate of inflation which trump has done but that inflation that was baked

01:19:53.420 into the prices under joe biden is baked in and there that was handled badly though that was in

01:19:59.240 part that was handled yeah well it's in part the republicans own fault because they promised that

01:20:03.020 they would fix it i mean they did promise that and they should have defined so that's what people

01:20:06.580 wanted they should have defined what fixing meant it said we're going to lower the rate radically

01:20:10.960 But there's no way we can undo 20%.

01:20:14.340 And when you looked at housing, rent, insurance, staple foods, cars, it was 30% and power.

01:20:23.780 So they said, we're going to come in and we're going to fix the inflation.

01:20:27.960 What they should have said, we're going to half inflation.

01:20:30.640 And that would have been a notable.

01:20:33.000 It's the same thing with Joe.

01:20:34.040 Yes.

01:20:34.400 And to say, look, it's kind of like what Javier Malay did in Argentina, where he said,

01:20:39.160 i'm gonna have to do the following 10 things it's gonna cause this amount of pain please bear with

01:20:45.160 me and he did but trump could have said that you know like there are some things i can control and

01:20:50.940 some things i can i mean this doesn't sound like trump right he's a salesman he's like

01:20:54.140 he likes puffery he likes big big promise he doesn't like the measured like well that i can't

01:21:00.460 do but i think that they could have and they still have time so i i got an argument with

01:21:06.520 other person. So we can't buy a house under Trump. So I thought, well, okay, I'm going to look at

01:21:11.500 this. So I flipped up my phone and I said, what is the percentage of home ownership under Trump

01:21:17.580 versus Biden and Obama? 62% is the historical average. It's 63. So it hasn't changed much.

01:21:25.600 It's still as good or bad as it was under Biden or under Trump. It just stays there at 62, 63%.

01:21:32.300 33%. So, and the same thing with inflation. And then I asked myself, well, if crime is at

01:21:39.640 historical low and house labor participation is a little up, actually, it's about 65%,

01:21:47.780 64%. So that's good. And we have this jobs report. And when you look at our GDP compared

01:21:54.760 to Europe's per capita GDP or Canada, it's not even close. But why aren't they talking about

01:22:01.420 this. I don't mean rah-rah talking about it. Just say, take a close look at these are what we've 0.98

01:22:07.980 done, and this is what these people want to do. They want to bring back the whole Biden agenda,

01:22:12.760 but on steroids. But they're not- That caused this problem to begin with.

01:22:16.940 And they're not getting that out. And they don't even say, instead of Pete Hexeth getting in these

01:22:21.960 fights with the chief of staff of the army or whatever, and it's always misinterpreted or

01:22:28.220 deliberately confused in the media he should say we came in and our military was defunct we were

01:22:34.080 short 46 000 soldiers we have completely in one year got 50 000 people out of the woodwork that

01:22:42.580 are now enrolled we have no recruitment problem we have a problem that we have excess soldiers

01:22:47.440 this was the biggest revolution in military recruitment in our history but nobody says that

01:22:52.700 in other words they just keep i understand why it's a counter-revolution they're keep hammering

01:22:58.480 but they need to take a deep pause and consolidate and say this is what our agenda has achieved

01:23:04.900 and yes they can they need to talk about the socials but they need to talk about what they

01:23:09.800 have done and not in a rava everything is great and there's no inflation just say this is what

01:23:14.880 we were confronted with and this is what we did and we're this is what's going to we think happen

01:23:20.100 The only person that sort of does that in an analytical, confident way is the Secretary of the Treasury, he's pretty good.

01:23:28.160 Scott Besson.

01:23:28.800 Yeah.

01:23:29.200 He's very good.

01:23:30.480 He's very good.

01:23:31.700 And they need to do that.

01:23:33.760 And part of the, I think, part of the problem when I wrote about the first half of the book about the fall, I didn't realize what they, the extent to what the left was doing.

01:23:48.940 And one of the things that Trump will be remembered for is radically changing the Democratic Party.

01:23:55.000 This is not, and I grew up in a family of Democrats.

01:23:58.860 My siblings are all Democrats.

01:24:00.540 But this is not Bill Clinton's Democrats, much less Harry Truman.

01:24:04.080 This is something new that we haven't experienced in a long, long time, maybe in the Roosevelt 32.

01:24:10.480 These people, they were socialists.

01:24:13.240 And when you look at the Democratic agenda, it's so crazy to say that the socialists are trying to take over.

01:24:19.620 If you look at the socialist agenda, what they said, almost everything except defunding the Pentagon and getting rid of the Senate has been already enacted by Democrats.

01:24:30.340 Who gave him the idea of destroying the border, mass amnesties, packing the court, getting rid of the Electoral College, bringing in two new states, getting rid of the filibuster, defunding the police, endorsing Black Lives Matter in 2015?

01:24:48.300 It was Keith Ellison that held up the Antifa handbook when he was deputy of the Democratic Party.

01:24:55.640 hikam jeffries uh he already he didn't even endorse andrew cuomo he endorsed mondami so

01:25:04.940 the democratic party had gone socialist and they'd act biden's agenda was pretty much the same as

01:25:11.180 what the dsa want with some minor differences so this is a very hard left democratic party it's not

01:25:19.440 you really can't deal with it and they want to do things with immigration and crime and criminal

01:25:26.200 justice and the universities that will make this country unrecognizable it is almost now

01:25:34.140 i'm speaking from being in the university the university that i work at

01:25:38.540 is has bears no resemblance whatsoever with the universe that i went there to get a phd 0.97

01:25:44.400 It's just a foreign climate. 1.00

01:25:47.780 It's sad.

01:25:48.780 Yeah, my faculty were all, the faculty that I had, they were mostly European philologists, but they were all left-wing, and you never knew it.

01:25:56.920 They were all professional, disinterested, wonderful scholars.

01:26:00.440 And the students were left liberal, but they didn't bring in politics, and they were tolerant.

01:26:05.780 And that's completely gone, and the scholarship is completely mediocre.

01:26:10.460 And can I just say something?

01:26:11.620 One of the things you hear from any academic about Charlie Kirk is they hate, hated Turning Point's professor watch.

01:26:21.860 They had a professor watch section on their website for this purpose.

01:26:28.200 Charlie wasn't doing that when it was, you know, just normal liberal professor teaching a normal class but happens to have a different worldview than Charlie Kirk.

01:26:39.020 That's not why that was born.

01:26:40.320 It was born because of these radical professors who mean to take your child and turn him into a Marxist who hates you.

01:26:50.500 Bill Ackman was on this show, and he told us about his daughter having that happen to her at Harvard.

01:26:57.020 I'm not making this up.

01:26:58.200 This has actually happened to another set of parents I know who we ski with.

01:27:04.580 That's why Professor Watch was born.

01:27:06.840 It's not like, oh, you're a lefty who pushes leftist dogma.

01:27:09.880 it's actual indoctrination radicalization of kids who are there just to get an education

01:27:15.780 like they've gone so far that he had to respond and i talked to him 10 days before he was killed

01:27:21.840 i did his show and he called me back we talked for about an hour and his whole point was that

01:27:27.220 he was being attacked because he never went to college and yet he was at a college and he made

01:27:31.920 the argument to me i wouldn't be able to do very well at the oxford debate which he did wonderfully 0.92

01:27:37.520 and i did and i wouldn't be able to go on campus and debate these phds if they had been from the

01:27:44.280 old school and i said you're absolutely right you got to remember that stanford yale now give 80

01:27:49.820 percent a's charlie and they're they have remedial math so you go and get a brand on your body that

01:27:56.920 says ba it means nothing and you're an idyllic so you take the hillsdale courses prager stuff

01:28:02.660 He was really a self-discipline.

01:28:05.880 He read, he would call me and say, what do you think about Spengler's decline in the

01:28:10.240 West and all?

01:28:11.000 He was reading.

01:28:11.880 And I said, you are better educated than I see most undergraduates with BAs from good

01:28:17.380 schools.

01:28:18.000 So you can go out and you can debate and you can be, and you're better educated than some

01:28:21.840 of the professors.

01:28:23.000 And that's what he understood.

01:28:26.060 And so I got to the point now that if you think, where does all this stuff start?

01:28:31.060 it starts in the university for half the population we're not having a problem with

01:28:36.540 the working muscular class i live in an area that's 95 hispanic there's no socialist here 0.94

01:28:42.880 maybe their kids might have to go to the university but they're all working independent contractors

01:28:47.140 are hard working they're they're all legal that i know they're assimilating um and they don't have

01:28:54.000 those neurosis of this 85% of the DSA are white, urban, upper middle class, but downwardly mobile

01:29:01.800 people with non-marketable sociology, psychology, public policy degrees.

01:29:06.760 With advanced degrees.

01:29:07.740 Yes, and they rub shoulders with very wealthy people in Boulder and the Upper West Side,

01:29:12.980 and they think, I'm as glib as that guy. I know as much as that investor, that doctor,

01:29:19.100 that lawyer, I should have the same compensation, and they're angry. But the university has been

01:29:27.420 a total, you know, I think $1.7 trillion in debt so they could raise the rate of tuition twice

01:29:34.420 the annual, they could raise the tuition twice the rate of inflation. What I'm getting at,

01:29:41.800 I guess, Megan, is that there were all these problems, and I thought that Romney or George

01:29:47.540 W. Bush or McCain would address them. And they kept getting worse and worse and worse,

01:29:54.360 and nobody talked about them, the university reform. Maybe Reagan was the last person that did.

01:29:59.920 But you got to give Trump credit that he came in and he said, the border was ruined. It wasn't

01:30:05.820 open. It was ruined. And we're going to deport people. We're not going to just give them amnesty.

01:30:11.660 We're going to try to, we're not going to, we're going to go after the criminal justice system.

01:30:16.080 we're going to go after the universities we're going to go after the media we're going to go

01:30:21.040 after uh traditional architecture we're going to try to we're going to go after the smithsonian 1.00

01:30:27.360 which was an atrocity for every time i went there it was disgusting so it was a multi the kennedy

01:30:32.960 center did you say that that's another one absolutely and everybody said he's crazy it's 0.88

01:30:36.620 in perfect condition the ceiling started to fall the other day so i'm and it was so it was an

01:30:42.980 institution for leftists. Now they're like, oh, Trump and Rick Grinnell tried to make it, you

01:30:47.280 know, the Trump, you know what? Trump was trying to tell the right half of the country, you are

01:30:51.240 welcome here too. Yeah, I was walking across the last time I was in campus, a person who's very

01:30:57.940 learned from the left said to me, I can't stand Trump because he's changing the name of the Gulf

01:31:03.940 of Mexico. I said, well, we have the same amount of coastline as Mexico does. But I said, I walked

01:31:10.180 to work at the Hoover Institution Tower, the iconic tower. I have an office at the top.

01:31:15.340 I was gone one week, and I came back, and I thought it was weird. I didn't see the street

01:31:19.840 signs, and it was always Junipio Serra Plaza. And all of a sudden, it said Stanford Plaza.

01:31:29.060 And I thought, what happened? And one of my assistants said, well, Junipio Serra in the

01:31:35.920 18th century whipped native americans so the students got very angry in the faculty

01:31:40.460 and we changed the name i said we changed the name there's no more earl warren legal center at uc

01:31:47.680 bolt hall and he said what do you mean bolt hall it hasn't been bolt hall in years

01:31:51.700 he was a he was a racist and so they were the ones that what i'm getting at is they did all

01:31:58.960 of these things they used lawfare they tore down statues they changed names and in that process

01:32:04.440 they destroyed all the norms and protocols.

01:32:07.340 And then Trump came in and said, I'm going to wage a counterrevolution

01:32:10.700 and thank you for destroying the protocols because now I can do that in reverse.

01:32:15.480 And then they said, only we can do that.

01:32:18.080 You can't do that.

01:32:19.960 That's right.

01:32:20.280 That's what happened.

01:32:21.120 And I think what he's doing is he's winning the counterrevolution,

01:32:26.780 but he really needs a better media team, I really do,

01:32:31.140 to accentuate what he's trying to do and what the agenda is and what the logic is behind it

01:32:36.680 in kind of a tragic sense rather than just to combat it and just say, I didn't want to do this.

01:32:43.580 I don't want to play this role. But if I don't do it, nobody else will. And we won't have a country.

01:32:49.200 We have 50... That's a very good point because Trump himself is not, he's not out quite as much

01:32:54.100 as he used to be. When he was on the campaign trail by necessity, he was everywhere. Now that

01:32:59.600 he's president he's busy he's got other things he's doing and we don't see as much of him and

01:33:04.400 we don't see another proxy of his they need a proxy to the extent we used to see trump

01:33:12.560 by the way did you see trump has brown hair now it's actually i was amazed trump's hair is brown

01:33:17.860 he i don't know well whatever you say you notice that trump never he never um all these socialists

01:33:25.260 are wiping through their social media accounts,

01:33:27.740 wiping them out, El Saeed, Hassan,

01:33:30.080 I didn't say that.

01:33:31.640 And what Trump, all of his embarrassing things he's said,

01:33:35.080 he doesn't ever say, I didn't say that.

01:33:38.520 I didn't mean that.

01:33:39.580 I don't think there is anything embarrassing.

01:33:41.120 I don't think the president gets embarrassed.

01:33:42.360 No, he's authentic.

01:33:43.380 Whatever you say about him.

01:33:44.780 But wait, what do you think of the brown hair?

01:33:46.580 I must know.

01:33:47.620 I gotta say, I kind of like it.

01:33:48.920 I do too.

01:33:49.280 He commented on it, didn't he?

01:33:50.480 He was making fun of his own hair the other day.

01:33:52.480 He said it blew off and he said-

01:33:53.880 I don't know.

01:33:54.940 I saw that and I was like, is that actually Trump? And then the next I saw him, he was wearing a

01:33:58.540 baseball cap. So I was like, uh-oh, maybe he doesn't like it. But I like it. Yeah, he mentioned

01:34:01.900 it. He said, everybody thinks I'm bald, but the wind blew and there was still hair here.

01:34:08.520 I am here to tell you, I put my fingers into Trump's hair. It was 2010 or 11, I want to say.

01:34:17.620 I was interviewing him and I asked him if it was a comb over. And he said,

01:34:21.920 it's not really a comb over but it is real and he invited me to stick my hands right in there

01:34:27.840 and i did and i kind of pulled it a little it's definitely trump's hair it's in his scalp for

01:34:32.940 sure it's not a toupee yeah i i just i i just think we don't realize that the of the extent

01:34:40.700 of this counter-revolution that he he is trying to undo 50 years of political economical economic

01:34:51.280 social cultural military progressivism and he there he's he's in the middle and 360 degrees

01:35:01.220 are calling him you know nazi everything they're trying to kill him some people but he's actually

01:35:07.560 making progress you can't see it right now but he is making progress when oh no i see it i can see

01:35:13.660 it at stanford university i can see the the new president is completely different than the last

01:35:18.620 president. And that's happening around. And the students, they only, Megan, they only let 8%

01:35:24.320 white males in the last four years when they junk these. That is so absurd. That is so offensive.

01:35:30.940 What's even worse about it. It's the United States of America. I know. And the worst thing about it

01:35:34.620 was if you were a white male kid, let's say from East Palestine, Ohio, and you worked really hard

01:35:41.060 and you had a perfect SAT, you were not going to get in because there was only enough slots at 8%

01:35:46.360 to let in wealthy people and athletes.

01:35:50.400 And so when you walked across campus,

01:35:52.320 you didn't see any males really from the working classes. 0.56

01:35:56.400 They were very wealthy minorities

01:35:58.440 or wealthy entitled white kids that had pool.

01:36:03.080 And now they reintroduced the SAT.

01:36:08.140 They promised that they would not use race as a criteria

01:36:12.320 and we'll see this next year.

01:36:14.240 But they only did that because Trump threatened them.

01:36:18.380 And the same thing with the researchers.

01:36:20.080 I talked to people off the record.

01:36:21.800 Did you really need 45% overhead?

01:36:24.980 No, we didn't.

01:36:25.960 We said we did, but could you get by with 15% or 20%?

01:36:29.880 Yes, we could get by, but don't talk about it.

01:36:32.460 So it's a, I don't know, it's kind of like the reaction against the Jacobins. 0.50

01:36:38.620 It's a counter-revolution that we've never seen, I can't think, except Reagan. 0.93

01:36:42.500 Reagan tried to do the same, but even in a more limited fashion.

01:36:48.220 I hope you're right, and I hope it stays that way, as I have three kids who are going to go off to college in the next, you know, depends on the child, but let's say two to ten years.

01:36:57.640 Remember what you have to tell them, Megan.

01:36:58.940 I think they've been adequately inoculated against this.

01:37:01.900 I don't think my kids are going to come back Marxist to me, but I don't want them to have to deal with it.

01:37:05.960 I'd love for them to just let their minds flourish and not be on guard against professors.

01:37:10.680 Send them to Hillsdale College.

01:37:12.500 Yeah. Or I'll just send them to you. They can sit at the Hoover Institution and you and Ayan and Neil Ferguson. You guys can help them.

01:37:20.200 I tutored a lot of kids, their parents that did that. Wonderful people. Just remember to tell your children. I said to mine when they went to college, if you come home in Thanksgiving and you're unrecognizable, please don't come home because I've seen it.

01:37:37.720 You won't be going back.

01:37:38.700 No, you're going to pay for it.

01:37:40.400 You're going to pay for your own torture.

01:37:42.060 So you go, yeah, it's indoctrination.

01:37:44.680 It's scary, too.

01:37:45.920 Yeah.

01:37:46.300 One of my friends said when their kid came home, you may think that you're now a limousine liberal, but you're not going to be a limousine.

01:37:57.140 You can just be a liberal.

01:37:58.620 That's it.

01:37:59.280 Because we're not paying and supporting that.

01:38:01.560 One thing is that 34% of the people now have confidence in higher education.

01:38:06.420 It used to be 65.

01:38:08.220 So what they don't understand is that I think this is really valuable.

01:38:12.500 Going to Harvard or Yale or Princeton or Stanford doesn't mean anything anymore.

01:38:16.480 I don't think it does.

01:38:17.440 Or teaching there or being affiliated, not in the way they used to be so snobby, because they have deliberately.

01:38:23.360 Wait, can I tell you a stat I just saw?

01:38:25.080 Yes.

01:38:26.820 The average Harvard graduate 10 years out is earning $85,000 a year.

01:38:34.420 the average plumber in America is making between 63 and $70,000 a year. So if you're in a nicer

01:38:44.200 community, let's call it 70. So that's a $15,000 difference. You don't become a Marxist. You don't

01:38:51.760 have to spend a million dollars on a degree that probably won't do much for you. You don't have to

01:38:59.700 wait those four years to start a family or start putting down roots like when it's that close when

01:39:05.040 the numbers are that close college has rendered itself irrelevant and that's a harvard grad i'm

01:39:10.580 sure the numbers are a lot closer when you go down to you know regular schools that don't have the

01:39:15.760 the ivy crawling i don't think people realize that revolution that you i have had i have lived in a

01:39:22.640 170-year-old house, 160. So I had a guy come over to do gutters, Mexican-American guy. And he was

01:39:30.260 he had a company, but he was the only employee. And he had a machine that he actually made his

01:39:35.220 own gutters. And he was self-taught. He's been in the business for 20 years. He's probably 40

01:39:40.980 something. So I was watching him. He was like a surgeon the way he did it. So I just said to him

01:39:46.280 afterwards, we had lunch. And I said, could I ask you a question? How much do you make at your

01:39:51.040 growths. You know what he told me? He said, I had a bad year. I only made $240,000. That was after

01:39:58.920 his materials. And then I know all of these former students I've had at various colleges that will

01:40:06.780 call me, and they have very impressive degrees, and they're making $50,000, $60,000 in high-cost

01:40:14.060 states like California. Those are Al Saeed voters. Yeah, especially with student loans. 0.96

01:40:19.440 So the university is really the core of it.

01:40:23.160 And I didn't...

01:40:24.200 Well, like you said, I think,

01:40:26.720 let's hope it's getting back to the way it used to be

01:40:28.640 because truly, I hope we can get back to the point

01:40:31.680 where we respect Harvard and Princeton.

01:40:34.160 They're very essential, especially in the STEM.

01:40:35.960 Just get back to teaching.

01:40:37.420 Don't indoctrinate.

01:40:38.640 Yes, I think so.

01:40:40.160 One last footnote, Megan,

01:40:41.880 when we mentioned Carney, how ingratitude.

01:40:46.160 Carney's too chill.

01:40:47.100 He says all this anti-American, elbows out, blue the national anthem, we're going to gin up pan-Canadianism, so the Quebec people and all that in Alberta.

01:40:58.780 95% of his investments are in America, and two of his four children were Harvard and Yale graduates and live in the United States.

01:41:10.040 This is a guy that had three passports until he would become Irish, British, and Canadian.

01:41:15.620 and he lived in the United States for a while.

01:41:18.760 So he's trying to gin up this hatred of the United States

01:41:21.480 when he himself is a total hypocrite

01:41:25.760 and the people are going to really suffer when this gets going

01:41:29.280 because we haven't known, you and I, everybody doesn't know Canada, but so what.

01:41:32.740 But once they gin up that hatred and it gets into the American media,

01:41:36.520 people are starting to get angry about it.

01:41:38.320 And when they read that he won't disclose the details

01:41:41.580 and he's cozying up to this murderous Maoist government in China,

01:41:47.200 it's going to be bad, bad, bad, economically.

01:41:50.440 It was a bad decision by him.

01:41:51.660 It's terrible.

01:41:52.100 Listen, all of you can and should read more about all of this.

01:41:55.620 This is basically the theme that's what we've been discussing here today

01:41:58.360 in Victor's The Counter-Revolution,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 08, 2026

Lindsay Clancy Wants a PARDON, Plus Violent Leftists as Charlie Kirk Anniversary Approaches, and the Future of MAGA, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 1393

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