The Megyn Kelly Show - Lindsey Graham's Legacy, McConnell's ＂Proof of Life,＂ and the Robinson Video You DIDN'T See, with Knowles, Posobiec, and Fitz ｜ Ep. 1358

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00:00:30.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:45.420 We've got a packed show for you today. Jack Posobiec, who was inside the courtroom late

00:00:50.460 Friday during Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing looking into the question of whether

00:00:56.960 he should be held over for trial, accused of killing Charlie Kirk, is back with us later to

00:01:02.080 discuss the final piece of evidence that was shown in court to a limited group. The media and the

00:01:07.320 public did not get to see it. Jack says it was video showing Robinson, quote, taking the shot

00:01:15.440 that killed Charlie. Jack called it, quote, the most damning piece of evidence he had seen all

00:01:21.800 week. And no sooner did he come out with this on Friday than some factions of the internet piled on

00:01:29.700 him, like literally telling him he did not see what he says he saw. But it was a very strange

00:01:36.660 phenomenon. And he's here to tell us directly what he laid eyes upon inside that courtroom and what

00:01:44.120 the scene was around him as he watched it. Plus, former FBI agent James Fitzgerald is here to help

00:01:50.860 analyze the new information we learned about Tyler Robinson and his so-called trans furry

00:01:54.940 lover, Lance Twiggs. You know that James is a linguist. You know, he's told us that many times

00:02:00.320 as we've talked to him about Nancy Guthrie. And we're going to ask him as a former FBI profiler

00:02:05.900 and linguist, Hal Robinson, seemingly weird, but also relatively normal prior to all of this,

00:02:15.040 how did he become an assassin? And what do the words used in those alleged confession notes and

00:02:22.840 letters tell us? Fitz has thoughts. First, though, we covered the sudden shocking passing of Senator

00:02:29.940 Lindsey Graham on our AM update this morning. You will not be surprised to learn that some of the

00:02:34.080 worst people in our culture are trashing him. This is actually, you know, I'm not surprised by it.

00:02:39.660 I'm not surprised. We've seen enough of this to know this is par for the course. But, you know,

00:02:44.040 that we've been harshly critical of Lindsey Graham in the past six months on this show

00:02:49.120 with respect to his comments around the Iran war. Okay. But as the man dies, it's just not the time

00:02:57.160 he died suddenly at 71, which is relatively young in 2026 America. He hadn't been sick for a long

00:03:05.020 time or anything. So it just seems to have had a massive coronary event, which we'll discuss

00:03:10.400 and died almost instantly from the sound of it.

00:03:14.320 They're doing an autopsy.

00:03:15.440 They did an autopsy.

00:03:16.240 I mean, they're doing a toxicology

00:03:17.500 for people who think it's a little too convenient.

00:03:21.000 He was over there in Ukraine.

00:03:22.620 You know, he's calling for more munitions for Ukraine

00:03:27.220 to use against Russia and so on.

00:03:28.660 And I understand the natural question is,

00:03:31.940 did Putin have anything to do with it?

00:03:33.940 I mean, Putin's had a lot of people killed

00:03:35.660 who are enemies of Russia, journalists and others.

00:03:39.080 And so I get the questioning.

00:03:40.400 but that's a separate issue you can ask questions about a politician's sudden death especially one

00:03:46.200 as controversial as lindsey graham i just don't think the time to celebrate their death is as

00:03:52.920 his family is still shedding tears and grieving him you want to talk six months from now about

00:03:58.560 lindsey graham's legacy and trash it i mean he was a politician so i guess that's something you can

00:04:04.140 do. Okay. I mean, I guess that's up to you, but his family is just still finding out that he's

00:04:12.900 no longer here. You know, we're talking, it was within like 16 hours of learning that he had died

00:04:19.060 suddenly and just the pile on. I find this so cruel and insensitive. Again, even as somebody

00:04:28.680 who had become one of his harshest critics in some ways, definitely did not like the rhetoric

00:04:34.360 he was using around war. I would never do that to the man upon death. I just find it so disrespectful.

00:04:42.520 You don't have to like Graham. Why don't you just have some modicum of respect for his family?

00:04:47.220 Just like show your humanity a little bit. Take a beat. Why don't you keep the trashing on a private

00:04:54.780 text chain between you and your fellow people who can't stand them? What possesses you to go online

00:05:01.400 and write the nastiest stuff about somebody who served the country, whether you were his fan or

00:05:06.320 not, honorably for the vast majority of his adult life? Okay, whatever. We're going to bring on

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00:06:53.900 Michael, welcome back. Great to have you.

00:06:55.760 Good to see you. Thanks for having me.

00:06:57.660 You know what I'm saying about Graham, right?

00:06:59.720 It's like there's someone losing something of our humanity here when people die who we consider political opponents or with whose political views we disagree.

00:07:11.400 Yes, both sides do it, but the left does it a lot more than the right.

00:07:15.480 That's how it goes.

00:07:16.700 And this is for a few reasons.

00:07:19.340 One, I think it's because for the left, they don't really have a serious sense of religion.

00:07:25.400 They don't have a sense of eternity.

00:07:27.480 They don't have the memento mori.

00:07:29.460 They're trying to cheat death all the time.

00:07:31.340 The first image that came to my mind when I saw these people celebrating Lindsey Graham's death is the epigraph above the bone chapels that you can sometimes see in Europe.

00:07:40.760 These are chapels made of bones and skulls.

00:07:43.560 And the epigraphs written right above a skull.

00:07:45.740 it says, as you are, I once was, and as I am, you will be. So the ancient wisdom

00:07:53.740 is de mortuis nil nisi bonum, of the dead we say nothing but good. It's not that we want to lie,

00:08:00.920 it's not like we want to pretend that we didn't have disagreements with Lindsey Graham or anybody

00:08:04.980 else, but it's that when someone dies, you focus on the good things. And this is ancient wisdom

00:08:11.040 that goes back to Kailan of Sparta in the sixth century, okay? It's on pretty good authority.

00:08:16.200 And so when you think about Lindsey Graham, you say, all right, the left is going to say really

00:08:20.760 nice things about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He was an austere religious scholar. They're going to say

00:08:24.960 really nice things about Fidel Castro. He stood a thwart the United States or whatever. But of

00:08:30.300 Lindsey Graham, he's the worst guy ever. And I think on the right, Lindsey Graham might be more

00:08:35.320 controversial than he is on the left because he very much was a leader of the neocon faction,

00:08:41.340 very interventionist foreign policy. He was considered pro amnesty and weaker on immigration.

00:08:47.820 But I met Lindsey Graham one time. I think I only met him one time. It was back when Senator Cruz

00:08:54.160 and I launched the Verdict podcast. This was during the first Trump impeachment. And one of

00:08:59.000 the earliest, earliest episodes, Senator Cruz brings Lindsey Graham by the studio. And it was

00:09:04.740 this kind of weird shag carpeting in a basement near the White House in D.C. And Lindsey Graham,

00:09:11.060 the first thing that struck me about him was he was so funny. He was very funny on the show.

00:09:16.640 And then off camera, it was dialed up in order of magnitude. Lindsey Graham, I can say, is the

00:09:21.060 single funniest guest I have ever interviewed on any show. He was instantly likable. He was

00:09:27.680 deeply knowledgeable. He was very generous with his time. And it is curious that people who didn't

00:09:33.680 agree with him on the right, you know, people who come from different foreign policy factions or

00:09:37.540 what have you, generally speaking, if they knew him, they only have nice things to say about him.

00:09:42.080 And his colleagues on the left who knew him personally only have nice things to say about

00:09:47.120 him. Even, what's his name? Al Franken. You know, I'm good enough, strong enough, and gosh darn it,

00:09:52.960 people like me. Al Franken. Yeah. When he was in the Senate, there was some interview that he gave 0.66

00:09:58.080 where he was complaining that all the senators tried to tell him jokes and how annoying it was.

00:10:02.100 And I said, basically, the only one that's funny is Lindsey Graham. So why do I mention this? Not just to focus on the good things. And, you know, it's the difference between a flatterer and a diplomat. The flatterer lies to ingratiate himself. The diplomat just kind of focuses on the good things.

00:10:17.680 But I think there's actually a political lesson for us here, which is whether you love Lindsey

00:10:22.220 Graham, whether he drove you up a wall, Lindsey Graham was an extremely effective politician.

00:10:27.360 And he was extremely effective for a few reasons. He was good to people as much as he could be. He

00:10:33.720 was good to people even when he disagreed with them. And two, he understood that politics,

00:10:38.660 at least in America, comes down to party. It comes down to supporting the party.

00:10:43.340 You think about all those guys who ran against Trump or who were attacking Trump in 2016.

00:10:48.480 The difference between Lindsey Graham and the rest of those guys is those guys are now

00:10:52.220 screaming on Twitter or Blue Sky or Substack. 0.99

00:10:55.020 Those are the only outlets they have. 1.00

00:10:57.000 And Lindsey Graham remained at the center of power.

00:10:59.780 He was effective.

00:11:00.920 Trump seemed to get choked up when he was talking about him just the other day.

00:11:05.260 Lindsey Graham understood that you need to support the party.

00:11:08.260 You need to win together, that politics is a team sport.

00:11:12.100 It can't all be about you.

00:11:13.900 And then the more you learn about his biography, you realize this was a really selfless guy.

00:11:17.880 This is a guy who, when his parents died, he decided he was going to raise his 13-year-old

00:11:21.840 sister.

00:11:22.680 He's one of the only people in Congress who seems not to have enriched himself during

00:11:25.900 his time there.

00:11:26.880 He never, you know, gave in to the...

00:11:28.320 Yeah, he does.

00:11:28.660 He was great, you know?

00:11:30.220 So he was clearly a patriot, even if you disagreed with him.

00:11:32.780 He clearly loved his country.

00:11:34.480 He served his country in the military, in the Senate.

00:11:38.080 And he really advanced the GOP.

00:11:40.220 He really helped.

00:11:40.680 we might not have a Justice Kavanaugh if not for Lindsey Graham. And so even if you don't like his

00:11:45.500 views on immigration or on foreign policy or what have you, there's a lot of good in this man's life.

00:11:50.660 And the fact that the left prefers Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to Senator Lindsey Graham tells you

00:11:56.540 a lot about the left and it tells you a lot about Lindsey Graham. The Kavanaugh soundbite for me

00:12:01.900 is, you know, because the way he talked about war this past year was upsetting.

00:12:06.740 but then when you remember what he did for brett kavanaugh when the chips were down and people were

00:12:12.120 turning on him by the minute including within the gop after christine blasey ford came out of

00:12:17.060 nowhere to allege he had raped her or attempted to sexually assault her years earlier and then 1.00

00:12:22.800 we had that other moron who claimed he was a gang rapist um this is obvious liar represented by 1.00

00:12:29.460 avenadi i mean the pile on kavanaugh was just so brutal and it did take courage it took a lot of 1.00

00:12:35.000 courage to stand up to the mob. And he was at the center of it as a former military lawyer.

00:12:39.760 He was I think he was running Senate Judiciary at the time. And his voice was very respected in that

00:12:45.000 circle in particular. And he put it all on the line for Justice Kavanaugh. This soundbite is

00:12:50.140 making the rounds. We cut the longer version. Watch. Did you meet with Senator Dianne Feinstein

00:12:55.060 on August 20th? I did meet with Senator Feinstein. Did you know that her staff had already recommended

00:13:01.000 a lawyer to Dr. Ford? I did not know that. Did you know that her and her staff had this

00:13:07.120 allegations for over 20 days? I did not know that at the time. If you wanted an FBI investigation,

00:13:15.420 you could have come to us. What you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open,

00:13:21.600 and hope you win in 2020. You've said that, not me. You've got nothing to apologize for.

00:13:30.160 When you see Sotomayor and Kagan, tell them that Lindsey said, oh, because I voted for them.

00:13:36.100 I would never do to them what you've done to this guy.

00:13:39.500 This is the most unethical sham since I've been in politics.

00:13:46.020 And if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy. 1.00

00:13:51.900 Are you a gang rapist? 1.00

00:13:54.620 No. 1.00

00:13:55.640 I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through.

00:13:59.960 Boy, y'all want power.

00:14:01.220 God, I hope you never get it.

00:14:02.940 I hope the American people can see through this sham,

00:14:06.000 that you knew about it and you held it.

00:14:08.700 You had no intention of protecting Dr. Ford.

00:14:11.820 None.

00:14:12.880 She's as much of a victim as you are.

00:14:16.020 God, I hate to say it because these have been my friends.

00:14:19.720 But let me tell you, when it comes to this,

00:14:22.500 you're looking for a fair process,

00:14:25.280 you came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend.

00:14:29.400 it's a great line and you could feel his righteous indignation on behalf of justice

00:14:36.600 kavanaugh and we were all feeling it those of us on the right or in the center who were just

00:14:41.600 willing to give the guy a fair shot felt it too lindsey graham gave voice to it in a way

00:14:46.960 no one else could or did that's absolutely right there's another story going around about how

00:14:52.340 lindsey graham was going to raise money for someone whose foreign policy views he opposed

00:14:56.500 I think it was Blake Masters in this case. And someone asked, well, you know, why are you out

00:15:02.160 here supporting this candidate that you disagree on the war? He says, who cares? Yeah, I think he's

00:15:06.320 wrong on Ukraine, but you know what? I want the Republicans to win so that I can remain chairman

00:15:12.040 of my committees. Okay, this is a team sport. We need to go out here and help each other. And

00:15:16.800 this to me is really one of the great recommendations of Lindsey Graham and how he

00:15:22.160 so clearly understood politics and excelled at politics is with some politicians, you look at

00:15:30.040 like a Liz Cheney or some of these guys who get a little squishy. They'll say they vote with the

00:15:35.400 Republicans 94, 95 percent of the time. Why would you oppose this person? You say, yeah, they vote

00:15:41.100 94, 95 percent of the time when it's easy. But on the crucial votes, on the votes where your vote

00:15:46.420 really matters, you're with the Democrats. You make it easier if you're a Liz Cheney or an Adam

00:15:51.300 Kinzinger. You're going to go support the Democrats on impeachment, which is the crucial

00:15:54.820 issue. You know, where it matters, where are you? And with Lindsey Graham, you say, look,

00:15:59.440 he had honest disagreements on foreign policy and immigration and what have you. But when it

00:16:04.380 mattered, when it really mattered to the party, to the political movement, Lindsey Graham showed

00:16:09.840 up and he actually had a lot of guts and he used his immense political skill that he learned as a

00:16:15.180 trial lawyer in particular. He put that on the line and he was very, very effective. And it's

00:16:20.800 funny to say because we all complained about his views on on some of those issues but uh you know

00:16:26.140 the republican party would be in a much better place if we had guys with the political sense

00:16:31.260 insight and guts of lindsey graham the gop would be a lot stronger he became known even though he

00:16:38.300 had a very rocky start with the president uh in 2016 i was there i talked with trump privately

00:16:43.260 in his office about the time he gave out lindsey graham's cell phone as trump was asking me for

00:16:47.960 mine. I remember like, I said, you're not going to Lindsey Graham me, are you? They got to a

00:16:55.580 better place, as did we. And he was eventually known as somewhat of a Trump whisperer because

00:17:03.400 of how intimate he became with the president as a friend. And there was a there's a report out

00:17:10.140 today was at Axios, but they were reporting how Graham would tell others he did it. He said,

00:17:14.900 Trump doesn't respect people who flatter him all the time. I would basically just figure out

00:17:19.520 what Obama's position was. And I would go in and I would tout that to the president.

00:17:24.960 And I knew he would do 180 from what Obama did. Like that was a great trigger that I used to

00:17:31.660 manipulate the president in the way that I thought, you know, would land us in the right place.

00:17:35.680 And he said Trump would go for that one 10 times out of 10. I mean, I can, I can see that being

00:17:42.000 true i'm sure president trump certainly doesn't want to sound like barack obama on virtually

00:17:45.560 anything but there's no question there was a degree of manipulation there and on foreign policy

00:17:49.160 especially which became his very favorite issue and and and in fairness to those who can't stand

00:17:54.600 lindsey graham it you know you said he loved people i think they would say depends on the

00:18:00.440 people yeah right because if you're extremely pro-war you're you're definitely going to get

00:18:06.240 pushed back on a point like that again it's for another day um but i do want to talk about his

00:18:10.680 possible replacement because someone's going to serve out the remainder of lindsey's term and

00:18:17.960 the president has suggested that the south carolina governor a republican nominate he had

00:18:25.160 told kristen welker president trump did yesterday that he had someone very special in mind today he

00:18:29.580 put it out nominate lindsey graham's younger sister darlene who uh interviewed with dana bash

00:18:37.880 of CNN a couple of years ago about where they grew up and their very humble beginnings.

00:18:44.000 Listen here.

00:18:44.500 Sot 3B was not your bedroom.

00:18:47.580 It wasn't your brother, Lindsay's bedroom with your parents' bedroom.

00:18:51.340 It was the room.

00:18:52.500 It was the one room where we all slept.

00:18:55.680 We all ate.

00:18:56.720 We watched TV.

00:18:57.980 The sofa.

00:18:58.780 Everything was in the one room.

00:19:00.560 This building died.

00:19:01.580 You were only 13 years old.

00:19:03.580 Lindsay Graham is your brother, but it sounds like he was a father figure.

00:19:07.600 Absolutely, yeah. Even when my parents were alive, they worked really long, hard hours running a small business.

00:19:16.120 So even then, he was a caregiver to me.

00:19:18.580 And the fact that he actually adopted you, that can't be easy to adopt a sibling.

00:19:24.320 He did it in order to give you his military benefits.

00:19:27.100 Right, right. And at first, the idea was a little odd, but I was like, no, it makes perfect sense.

00:19:33.560 And I just trusted his judgment. So I knew he was doing what he could to take care of me and it was best for us.

00:19:41.020 So that is the woman that President Trump would like to see serve out the remainder of Lindsey Graham's term. 1.00

00:19:48.460 She yeah, they were very poor. Obviously, he adopted her, as Dana pointed out, so that she could benefit from his military benefits, which worked. 0.99

00:19:58.040 and they were very very close the new york post apparently reached her this morning michael to

00:20:03.780 ask her for her reaction to the president's suggestion of her name it didn't appear she was

00:20:10.320 aware of it she just said to the new york post like i'm sorry i'm i'm actually just kind of

00:20:16.540 devastated right now and i can't really chat like i she's still grieving obviously this is sudden a

00:20:22.000 sudden i i know personally what it's like to have a sudden sudden death by heart issue and

00:20:27.060 it's devastating it's it's one of the best ways to go for the person who dies you know it's kind

00:20:32.880 of how we all wish we would go like a moment i'm sure you're stunned you don't know what's happening

00:20:38.600 and there's not a lot of discomfort because it happens very fast and then you're gone but for

00:20:44.180 the remainder you know for the family sudden death of a loved one is absolutely devastating

00:20:49.800 and i'm sure even though 71 is relatively young by 2026 standards it's not young in the eyes of

00:20:55.740 like a 20-year-old today, they'd say, oh, 71. So he's had a full life, is my point, but I'm sure

00:21:00.980 his sister is still reeling. What do you make of the nomination of a family member as the

00:21:06.160 potential successor? Well, you know what's funny about, to your point, Megan, on death,

00:21:10.000 the view you've just articulated, I think, is the ubiquitous view of how most people want to go out

00:21:14.720 today, which is they want someone to just turn the lights off, basically. Not see it coming.

00:21:19.860 You know, this is like of mice and men. George goes up to Lenny in the back of the head, and

00:21:24.300 you don't see it coming. But for most of history, it was actually the opposite. People really wanted

00:21:29.620 to know when they were going to die. They would have preferred a long illness to a sudden death

00:21:33.960 because they would want to get their souls in order. They'd want to go to confession. They'd

00:21:37.740 want to make sure everything was right with the big guy before they go up there. And it's, I think,

00:21:42.920 a distinctive aspect of our modern age that we don't think that way. And for the people who are

00:21:47.980 grieving, I think the grass is always greener. Some people say, well, I wish I had time to say

00:21:53.900 goodbye. And then the other people will, you know, if they do have a long time with their

00:21:57.320 loved one, they'll say, well, no, I wish it were sooner. The long goodbye was so painful and

00:22:01.060 excruciating. So it's all, all of that to say, it's all very, very brutal. And yes, of course,

00:22:05.540 this woman who's not particularly political is, is grieving an amazing bit of parallelism that

00:22:10.900 when the New York post calls her, the president says, uh, you know, I, I, I want you to take the

00:22:17.080 seat. And she effectively says, I'm hearing this for the first time. You know, uh, he was an

00:22:21.540 amazing person, very reminiscent of when Trump found out about RBG's death. But what do we make

00:22:28.220 of it? I'm a Republican voter, a lot of Republican voters listening. What do we make of it as people

00:22:33.820 who want to see a solid person in this seat? I know there's going to be a lot of objections.

00:22:39.140 People are going to say, well, this woman doesn't have any political experience. They're going to

00:22:44.020 say, we don't really know what she thinks about things. She hasn't campaigned, yada, yada, yada.

00:22:48.540 I take a very Lindsey Graham approach to this question, which is I want a reliable Republican vote who is going to advance the president's agenda for the remainder of this term.

00:23:02.080 That's what I want.

00:23:03.140 I don't care how much Edmund Burke she's read.

00:23:05.220 I don't care how deeply she thinks about her political opinions.

00:23:08.960 I want a reliable R vote who is going to stick to the script.

00:23:14.140 and you know if she was so influenced by her brother i strongly suspect she would be that

00:23:20.260 kind of person there are a lot of other people who seem to be throwing their their uh hats into

00:23:24.240 the ring nancy mace now somewhat infamously tweeted out that she was interested in it uh

00:23:29.880 right away but but they're going to be a million people who are going to try to throw their hats

00:23:33.160 in the ring and and all i want i don't want the most experienced person i don't want the most

00:23:38.720 deeply politically educated person. I want a vote. I want someone to stick by the party and

00:23:44.180 the president at the crucial moment. That is the best part of Lindsey Graham's political legacy,

00:23:48.960 and I want whoever fills his seat to do that. If his sister can do that, she's got my blessing.

00:23:54.940 Yeah, I mean, and you can make a strong case that it's somebody who sees the view,

00:24:01.040 sees the world with the same worldview as Lindsey Graham should be chosen because,

00:24:05.280 you know it was his seat and his the voters of south carolina who could have just rejected him

00:24:09.780 in a primary challenge but chose not to yeah um they wanted they clearly are okay and fine with

00:24:16.020 how he saw the world and his policies and if the sister's going to live up to those and carry those

00:24:19.880 through you could make the argument that that's the best way of seeing through the will of the

00:24:24.140 voters now i would always say to follow it i think that the person who is put into this position

00:24:29.940 should see the world exactly as i do that would be my preference i would like a kind of michael

00:24:35.100 clone to be in that seat that person would have my vote too michael we'll see we'll see how it goes

00:24:40.620 in the meanwhile okay so there are i don't think they're conspiracy theorists if they're saying i

00:24:45.400 want to see a blood test on the on the toxicology on lindsey graham i i'm fine with that like we

00:24:50.820 should check it out if somebody god forbid somebody actually did somehow manage to assassinate a

00:24:55.160 sitting u.s senator we do need to know that um i think any of us who have had sudden death in our

00:25:00.420 life due to massive cardiac events, look at this and say, I accept an aortic dissection wouldn't

00:25:07.000 be caused by a drug, you know, like maybe a heart attack, but a night where your aorta tears,

00:25:12.800 that doesn't seem like it would be charged, whatever, they're going to do it. But there's

00:25:16.740 also conspiracy theories floating about Mitch McConnell. Now, this one is kind of interesting

00:25:22.400 too. Mitch McConnell had a medical event at his house mid-month last month. The 911 dispatch

00:25:31.720 is publicly available, and it shows that the EMS workers saying reports of an individual who is

00:25:40.520 unconscious were administering CPR. CPR, that's from the EMS workers. He goes into the hospital.

00:25:49.340 It's a very mysterious. They don't tell us exactly. We never get like the official update

00:25:52.940 from his team. Like it was a heart attack or it wasn't a heart attack. The woman who broke it is

00:25:57.320 an independent journalist. Then she reported last week, as we said here, we repeated here,

00:26:01.820 attributing it to her that he was possibly in a coma or a vegetative state that appears not to

00:26:07.600 have been true. Um, because his team says he'll, he's coming back at some point soon. And they,

00:26:14.520 they posted this picture of former majority leader Mitch McConnell, now just Senator Mitch

00:26:21.840 McConnell. He has said he's retiring before this. He's going to retire when his term

00:26:24.840 ends. But in the meantime, he's still a serving U.S. senator. And there he is with his wife,

00:26:30.260 Elaine Chao. And he's there. There's a picture of the Washington Post Sunday edition yesterday

00:26:38.880 to prove to the world that it's current.

00:26:43.400 I mean, it's a true proof of life type photo, Mike and Lowell's.

00:26:46.580 He looks a little propped up.

00:26:49.000 His facial expression looks odd.

00:26:52.260 He's not looking into the camera.

00:26:53.500 He's kind of looking up.

00:26:54.700 It is a little off.

00:26:56.740 And I respect and like Mitch McConnell.

00:26:59.580 This is not, I'm trying to be respectful of him,

00:27:02.220 but this has a lot of tongues wagging about whether this is real,

00:27:07.240 whether we can trust this photo. And now the team is saying it. They're not saying it was a heart

00:27:14.060 attack. They're just saying it was something else like he he passed out and he had some amorphous

00:27:22.620 issue, but not a heart attack. Mitch McConnell's allegedly saying that himself. So why was he

00:27:28.820 getting CPR? It's just there's a lot. And by the way, Senator Graham's team said he died after a

00:27:35.660 brief illness on Sunday night, a brief illness. Why'd they say that? I thought that the autopsy

00:27:42.480 says aortic dissection. That means your heart split and you dropped dead. That's not a short

00:27:48.740 illness. Why wouldn't they have just said a cardiac event? I don't know what's going on,

00:27:52.220 but this is exactly how conspiracy theories get started. Yes. In the case of Senator McConnell,

00:27:56.640 this is some late stage Soviet union stuff where you're propping up the leaders who seem to be

00:28:01.940 croaking every six months. So literally, I don't know that I buy the excuses. I mean,

00:28:07.900 right after he was brought to the hospital, you had all of these people in government and media,

00:28:13.040 and they all came out and they said almost the exact same thing. They said, oh, I've just spoken

00:28:16.140 with Mitch McConnell for 20 minutes. We discussed Iran and the economy. We solved Fermat's last

00:28:21.300 theorem. You know, we were discussing quantum entanglement. He had some really interesting

00:28:24.540 insights. You think like, who is nobody's believing this? What are you talking about?

00:28:28.120 And then you have the Democrat in Kentucky, Andy Beshear, the governor, who is demanding proof of life, essentially.

00:28:34.560 He wants an update on the medical condition.

00:28:36.820 You're getting some of that from the Republicans as well.

00:28:39.220 But, of course, in a very Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham kind of operative twist, you've got this issue where if Mitch McConnell were to have suffered a very serious medical event such that he would have to leave the Senate,

00:28:53.520 if he did so before august 3rd in kentucky that would trigger a special election and the special

00:29:00.340 election could really mess up the republicans in the general election because as you point out

00:29:04.860 mitch mcconnell's not running for re-election so you've got the table set everything's good to go

00:29:08.960 for the re-election we're gonna have another republican senator from kentucky in january but

00:29:13.460 if mcconnell were to leave office before then you'd have a special election now you'd have a new

00:29:17.660 incumbent who might run for re-election all of a sudden this this easy replacement becomes very

00:29:23.360 very complicated. And so what's going to happen? I think people are going to be really, really

00:29:27.320 cagey on Mitch McConnell until August 3rd. And I don't buy that he's speaking of all the latest

00:29:36.000 updates on Plattner and Iran and all the rest of that. I guess I buy the photo. The photo is pretty

00:29:41.820 weird, though, too. Then his wife, the former transportation secretary, I mean, she was in

00:29:46.760 China, reportedly meeting with the vice president of China while he was in the hospital. So look,

00:29:52.260 McConnell obviously is not in great health. He's frozen up in recent years. He now reportedly he

00:29:57.580 took a fall also in recent days. I don't really know about any of that. The one thing I do know,

00:30:03.540 people will be accused of being cynical and overly political by encouraging this kind of

00:30:10.560 subterfuge and obscurity all the way through August 3rd. And I think this is classic McConnell.

00:30:16.820 This is all cocaine Mitch, you know, who says that the winners make laws and the losers go home.

00:30:20.680 So I'm fairly confident that he, more than anybody, would love to at least keep things going through August 3rd such that the legacy of his seat is secure.

00:30:31.040 But any reporting that I'm getting until then, I'm taking it with a very, very hefty grain of salt.

00:30:37.260 I know, me too.

00:30:38.880 So what he says is, again, here's the exact quote.

00:30:42.560 the leaked EMS dispatch audio describes an unconscious patient with a paramedic referencing

00:30:47.780 in this is in quotes, cardiac arrest, end quote, CPR in progress. Okay, then the end there's video

00:30:58.720 posted by TMZ of Mitch McConnell being wheeled out of his home in DC on a stretcher and loaded

00:31:07.160 into an ambulance the morning of June 14th. Then what he said in a statement here via his staff,

00:31:13.620 it's not, we don't get to see him on camera. We don't get to hear him directly. Here's CNN video.

00:31:19.800 I mean, it's got, it's got like junior Ayatollah vibes out of, out of Iran. You know how we never

00:31:25.120 get to see the new Ayatollah. We just get to hear his voice, but we're not even there with Mitch

00:31:29.460 McConnell. And Mitch McConnell's not gay. We should clarify that he is married to Elaine 0.96

00:31:33.240 that's one other difference between the supreme leader sorry go on and not a terrorist either

00:31:38.720 um he says uh okay last month i took a fall which landed me in the hospital um my doctors have

00:31:50.240 confirmed i didn't break any bones or suffer a concussion i didn't have a heart attack or a

00:31:54.780 stroke i don't have any tumors or hemorrhages but i was briefly unconscious and was taken to the

00:32:00.000 hospital. Uh, and now I have a mild case of pneumonia. Uh, I don't know. If you look at

00:32:05.780 that picture, you can see the Washington post on the bottom left corner underneath his thumb,

00:32:10.680 but I'm not sure why the, the EMS, the people responsible for saving your life say you had

00:32:18.800 a cardiac arrest and that CPR was in progress. I think I'd be most unhappy if they performed CPR

00:32:24.260 on me when I, my heart was fine. I was breathing. Seems like a novice mistake. Michael dolls. I

00:32:32.400 think there might be a lawsuit in order there. Yeah. I don't know what's going on, but I don't

00:32:35.700 trust anybody anymore. I trust nobody for nothing. Yeah, no, I would. I remember back when I was a

00:32:41.000 single guy, I'd always get in trouble for, you know, trying to perform CPR on, on women. And

00:32:45.600 they just say, I'm not having a heart attack. What are you doing? Stop it. Uh, the, the other

00:32:51.080 big problem for this story is the, if he really had a serious heart attack, the odds of surviving

00:32:57.420 a heart attack or not having very serious, uh, consequences from it at that age, not in a

00:33:03.600 hospital, you know, are, are, are pretty rough. Um, so regardless, what we do know is what we

00:33:10.420 are being told about his health is that he's in tip top shape and it's all good. And he's reading

00:33:14.480 the paper and talking about Iran. And I don't think anybody really believes that it, it seems

00:33:20.720 that he's alive. You know, he's Schrodinger's senator at the moment. No one is totally certain,

00:33:25.460 but it seems like he's alive and communicative. But we don't really know. I'm not sure if he's

00:33:32.200 communicative. Yeah, I'm skeptical. I'm pretty skeptical. But regardless, if Mitch McConnell's

00:33:40.660 staff is running things as Mitch McConnell has run things for decades, we're probably not going

00:33:45.400 to find out until my estimate would be uh august 3rd would be my guess because the gop is already

00:33:51.160 down now forgive me for being so political about it but they're down a senator now thanks to poor

00:33:57.080 lindsey graham dying so suddenly yeah so now we're down to 52 and with if mcconnell's down that's 51

00:34:04.400 that doesn't leave a lot of you know room to maneuver uh for president trump especially when

00:34:10.800 he's got senators like Collins, Murkowski, Rand Paul, you know, there's a bunch who just can't

00:34:17.120 stand Trump who aren't reliable Republican votes to begin with. So things get more and more

00:34:21.320 precarious for team red over there in the Senate. We'll continue to follow that too.

00:34:26.400 While we're on the subject of electoral politics and an absurd piece in the Atlantic that has to

00:34:31.180 be discussed for a minute was written by a guy named Russell Berman. And his headline is the

00:34:35.980 return of the Democratic manly man. The Democratic manly man is coming back, Michael Knowles.

00:34:41.860 The article begins with a story on Brian Poindexter, who's running for Congress in Ohio.

00:34:48.200 They point out that Poindexter had just finished wolfing down a Reuben sandwich in a deli outside

00:34:53.500 of Cleveland. Reuben, man's man meat. When he had delivered a message that coming from a Democratic

00:35:00.120 House candidate in the year 2026 sounded almost provocative. Quote, there's nothing wrong with

00:35:05.620 being masculine, Poindexter told me. It's okay, he said, to be a manly man. Poindexter's own

00:35:12.220 manliness credentials are fully in order. The 46-year-old started working in a machine shop

00:35:17.460 as a teenager, spent years hauling furniture across the country before finding stability

00:35:21.560 as a union iron worker. He drives a Ram Bighorn pickup truck and built, with his buddy, turned

00:35:27.620 campaign manager, a shed. A shed in his backyard, Michael. He built a shed. It's part of his manly

00:35:33.560 man credentials. Now, Poindexter is running for Congress, trying to flip a Republican held seat

00:35:38.020 in Ohio with a pitch aimed at a constituency that has abandoned the Democratic Party over the past

00:35:43.220 two decades. Men. OK, and then it goes on to say how the Democrats have lost all men. No men voted 0.74

00:35:49.260 for Kamala Harris, except if they had man buns. And the author, to his credit, points out that 1.00

00:35:54.840 like a few months ago, he got a call from a Democratic Party operative who pitched a story

00:36:01.200 on the Democrats' effort to, quote, win back the manosphere.

00:36:05.380 The operative ran through a list of half a dozen candidates in key house districts

00:36:10.500 who are, quote, engaging culturally in male spaces.

00:36:17.860 Because that's what a manly man does.

00:36:20.820 He engages culturally in male spaces.

00:36:23.420 And the author of the piece actually notes the absurdity of trying to pitch him

00:36:29.060 on a story about winning back men by arguing these men engage culturally in male spaces

00:36:35.420 and says, yeah, there is there remains anthropological distance that points to the

00:36:42.260 depths of the party's problem. Just in using that phrase to pitch this writer for the Atlantic

00:36:48.080 on doing this story in the first place. The Democrats are focused, however, on finding

00:36:53.020 manly men to run under their party banner to try to win back the manly men who rejected them

00:36:59.740 soundly under President Trump during Kamala Harris's run and during the 2024 election.

00:37:05.760 My daddy was a factory worker. My granddaddy laid the railroad tracks. And the one thing they both

00:37:12.220 told me as a boy is to engage culturally in male spaces. You're not going to convince me otherwise.

00:37:18.920 no, sir, this is really pathetic. And of course, it takes more than a Reuben sandwich to prove 0.98

00:37:25.000 one's male bona fides. This guy who says that there's nothing wrong with being masculine

00:37:29.520 is obviously contradicting what the entire left has now told us for about 30 years,

00:37:36.180 which is that it's toxic to be masculine. The masculinity is toxic. It's poisonous.

00:37:42.000 It has to be extirpated. Now, the Dems realized that blew them out of the water. The reason

00:37:47.120 they're focusing on this is boindexter by the way this is yeah you know he's he's kind of got the

00:37:51.940 look to him but he doesn't have the party and he doesn't have the platform because what the reason

00:37:57.840 they're focusing on sex here rather than race say you know they're clearly trying to run some more

00:38:03.100 white guys they had platner up in may and that didn't work out so well they have talarico uh 0.97

00:38:08.020 and but the reason they're focusing on sex is because what really uh lost the people for the 0.89

00:38:14.780 Democrats was not the hideous racial ideologies that they've been pushing. I wish that had lost

00:38:19.680 the people, but it didn't. It was the sexual stuff. It was the feminism leading into the gay

00:38:25.540 rights stuff, reaching its apotheosis with the transgender ideology, specifically transing the 0.70

00:38:31.300 kids. That's what lost the common sense for the Democrats. That's what Republicans campaigned on 0.64

00:38:36.680 in 2024, even when they're talking about the economy, even when they're talking about immigration,

00:38:40.360 even when they're talking about foreign policy, the real cultural touchstone for them was the

00:38:45.300 trans ideology because it showed that the Democrats had completely lost their judgment.

00:38:50.160 And if they couldn't be trusted to know the difference between a little boy and a little

00:38:52.600 girl, they couldn't be trusted on any other issue. So the Democrats know they have this

00:38:57.460 existential problem that they've got to fix. But the difficulty for them is they're unwilling to

00:39:03.320 give up all of the woke stuff up to and including the trans ideology. So it's one thing to go

00:39:10.360 out there and say we want to win men over again and we want to win back the working class and we

00:39:14.000 want to win back unions union members by the way who vote republican even union leadership these

00:39:19.460 days is not reliably democrat i mean that's that is an existential crisis for the dems but but it's

00:39:24.880 one thing to go out there and say it but if you're gonna if you're gonna convincingly say it you got 0.52

00:39:29.780 to give up all the gay stuff and the trans stuff and the lavender stuff you can't have one of these 0.99

00:39:33.700 guys like driving that dodge ram truck on like a farmer's field and pulling over and letting 0.91

00:39:38.580 dylan mulvaney get inside yes no yeah i mean there's no you can't put on the hard hat and

00:39:43.940 the vest and say you know what we ordinary americans care about is putting food on our

00:39:49.000 table and making sure that the intersectional disadvantages that the trans muslims have faced

00:39:54.840 for decades are finally corrected that's a week it just doesn't work you know it's kind of like

00:39:59.800 what yellowstone tried to do yeah they want you know they they want to have the the americana but

00:40:04.760 it doesn't play. Tallarico is a clear example of this too. Tallarico, they say, look, we got a

00:40:10.580 white guy who's straight, I guess, and Christian, but then he opens his mouth and his girlfriend

00:40:16.460 lives in Canada or whatever. She goes to another school and then his Christianity is not Christian

00:40:22.020 at all. And it doesn't play. Got some weird thoughts about the Virgin Mary. Yeah, yeah. I 0.97

00:40:27.760 mean, and about God himself as being non-binary. And so it doesn't work. To me, the clearest

00:40:34.060 expression of this problem for the Dems is Gavin Newsom, because he knows that he can't win as a

00:40:40.480 woke guy, one, because he's a white guy. And so that he just won't be able to win that faction.

00:40:45.080 But he knows that the Democrat Party still demands the woke stuff. So, you know, one day he's hosting

00:40:50.940 Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his podcast. And then the next day he's he's calling Stephen

00:40:56.000 Miller a fascist and he's playing to the most radical elements of the Democrat Party. And he

00:41:00.760 just now he's getting the worst of all worlds because he can't pick a lane that the democrats

00:41:05.240 yeah he was schizophrenic yes they can't they can't leave the woke stuff so they they're they're

00:41:11.100 when if and when we see poindexter come out and denounce this then we'll know we found a real

00:41:19.400 manly man and by this i mean elliot page whose real name is ellen who was the star of juno who

00:41:26.980 was a very cute girl who now wants us to believe that she's a he, a very unconvincing he, and is

00:41:34.660 starring in a major role in the new version of The Odyssey, which is very woke and absurd,

00:41:40.240 and also has just put out some, she's voicing a film called Second Nature, which is a nature film

00:41:47.320 directed by queer filmmaker Drew Denny and narrated by Paige about how animals are also gay.

00:41:55.340 It explores same-sex relationships in the animal world, and she is making a publicity tour for these two movies and giving us some barn burners of some soundbites.

00:42:11.080 Let me start with number nine. Let's start with number nine.

00:42:15.020 In terms of looking at nature as if it's some sort of heteropatriarchal structure is absurd and that this, you know, gender binary that we've created is nothing but a quaint little myth.

00:42:29.440 And I think her work and this documentary really, really shows that what we have been taught in school in regards to these structures, men being superior, women being inferior, submissive or what have you, it being this heterosexual existence is just completely false.

00:42:54.460 looking at nature as some cis hetero patriarchal structure is absurd michael you are absurd i i

00:43:03.780 feel you do this i've said it for years that you know we got to look past the cis hetero

00:43:08.820 patriarchy of nature what's so stunning to me about what she says is she's she's burning down

00:43:16.480 a straw man she says you know the stuff we're all taught in school about how men are superior to

00:43:20.860 women. What are you talking about? We're not. What we're taught, what we are taught in school

00:43:24.720 now is that women are superior to men and men are toxic. But even if you go back to the bad

00:43:28.940 olden days of the 1950s or something, we weren't even taught that then. We were taught that men

00:43:34.240 and women are complementary, that we're distinct and we cooperate together and we have to, but 0.98

00:43:39.440 women are better at some things. Women are better at being women, for instance, and men are better

00:43:43.180 at being men. And when men try to be women or women try to be men like Ellen Page, it's not

00:43:47.840 convincing at all. Ellen Page is an actress, and actresses are universally 100% crazy since the 0.91

00:43:55.200 dawn of time. So the fact that this woman has an obviously severe mental illness, nothing about 0.97

00:43:59.980 that is surprising. I guess what's really sad is that it used to be that actors and actresses

00:44:07.380 would harness their innate insanity into the imaginative world of the work of art. And now

00:44:14.940 it's bled out and they they're treating the entire uh world as their canvas as as their

00:44:21.140 kind of performance and it's not not persuasive at all and it really might destroy christopher

00:44:27.000 nolan's odyssey i it was unclear who she's going to play initially one second before before we get

00:44:31.660 to the odyssey i just want to say one of the things about like that so this business about

00:44:35.100 the the lgbtq animal world the truth is literally no one on earth has given that any thought

00:44:41.040 whatsoever. No one is walking around like, are animals gay? Are they queer? Are those two lesbo 0.92

00:44:48.940 kangaroos? It's not a thing. Only people who look like Ellen Page and are so unconvincingly trying 1.00

00:44:58.080 to convince us they're the opposite sex are thinking about such a thing. So now there's 0.99

00:45:03.300 been a lot of negative reaction to this woman having a role in the Odyssey as some sort of,

00:45:09.720 strong male figure. There was a report that she was meant to play Achilles. That apparently is

00:45:16.560 not true. She's playing some other character who I guess isn't even in the Odyssey, but is in some

00:45:21.680 other ancient story and has been written in. And in the context of, I think, promoting that,

00:45:29.300 she went on something called Democracy Now!, gave an interview with them on June 24th and said the

00:45:36.120 following about people who don't like trans people. All right. It's all about the fact that

00:45:41.980 she's trans, not that she's a woman and not convincingly chosen to play a strong male

00:45:48.520 ancient figure. Here we go. And what do you say to young people who feel the way you do?

00:45:55.260 And just to know like that you're, you know, not alone and loved and celebrated by so many and try and block out the noise from, you know, absolute vile losers who must just be so profoundly uncomfortable with themselves.

00:46:18.480 They can't handle that someone could get to a place that I think, you know, that, you know, trans people do get to, which is a level of self-acceptance and understanding that I think is really beautiful and profound.

00:46:37.280 So it is the critics of this transgender ideology who are profoundly uncomfortable with themselves, Michael.

00:46:45.600 the lady doth protest too much me thinks is that i think that's a is that from a play i think that's

00:46:50.600 from a play uh it's it's really sad watching and listening to her in this state of mania because

00:46:58.160 she doesn't look healthy she doesn't sound healthy and and she doesn't look happy you know this this

00:47:03.220 is the real problem not at all so you look at old pictures of her when she was a lady and she still

00:47:08.560 is a lady but you know back when she was openly so and she looks happier you know and now she she

00:47:13.520 never looks happy. Yeah, she's pretty, pretty girl. And I'm sure she's experienced all sorts 0.99

00:47:17.320 of trauma and psychological distress and all the rest. It's probably led her to this. But notice

00:47:23.200 she has to immediately project and say, no, no, it's the people who criticize transgenderism,

00:47:29.060 they're the ones who are deeply uncomfortable. And I'm slightly uncomfortable because I ate a

00:47:33.640 lot of hoagies over my weekend. And so my pants are a little tighter now. But in terms of my

00:47:38.640 identity as a human being, I'm not uncomfortable. And normal people are not uncomfortable. That's

00:47:43.880 the defining feature of having a normal view of identity. And it either doesn't occur to them or

00:47:49.980 they don't want to admit that some of the criticism of transgenderism, in fact, a lot of it,

00:47:55.520 comes from a place of charity. Because we all know that you're not doing well. We all look at

00:48:00.880 the statistics. We all know that the rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide do not decrease

00:48:05.700 after the transition in the case of anxiety it looks like they actually increase we we have eyes

00:48:10.460 we have ears yeah let me show you one other this is her in 2019 talking about jesse smollett tell

00:48:17.140 me if this is we have a media that's saying it's a debate whether or not what just happened to

00:48:21.560 jesse smollett is a hate crime it's absurd this isn't a debate i agree i agree in terms of

00:48:31.320 connecting the dots in terms of what happened the other day to jesse i don't know him personally i

00:48:35.320 all of my love. Connect the dots. This is what happens. If you are in a position of power and

00:48:46.040 you hate people and you want to cause suffering to them, you go through the trouble, you spend

00:48:52.700 your career trying to cause suffering. What do you think is going to happen? Kids are going to

00:48:59.880 be abused and they're going to kill themselves and people are going to be beaten on the street.

00:49:05.320 i have traveled the world and i have met the most marginalized people you could meet

00:49:12.420 i am lucky to have this time and the privilege to say this 0.82

00:49:17.600 okay except he was a race hoaxer and she's one of those sick young women who takes on other 0.98

00:49:24.040 people's problems literally as her own and is completely distressed over something she's seen 0.99

00:49:30.040 in the news, which was obvious bullshit, and somehow at some point thereafter convinced 0.99

00:49:35.700 herself that cutting off her breasts would make things better. And clearly, Michael, it did not. 1.00

00:49:41.220 Well, hold on, Megan, you're telling me that the lady who thinks that she's a man 0.96

00:49:45.320 has a skewed perception of reality? When she's connecting the dots, she's connecting them to 0.96

00:49:50.620 places that don't really exist? Yeah, of course. What's also sad when you listen to that kind of

00:49:56.820 commentary, is she accuses the other side of hating people. And that isn't real. I mean,

00:50:02.520 obviously, some people, it's a fallen world. People say nasty stuff. But the left hates the

00:50:07.260 right much more than the right hates the left. And this is borne out by social scientific data.

00:50:11.420 This goes back to the death of Lindsey Graham. And we especially saw this after a radical leftist

00:50:16.200 murdered Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of the mainstream left dismissed it and in some cases

00:50:22.120 celebrated it. And so they're, they're projecting it onto the other side. And if I were them,

00:50:26.300 if I were these people who are, who really are angry all the time, who really are consumed by

00:50:30.060 a lot of hatred, who would celebrate the murder of innocent people on the other side, just for

00:50:33.500 their politics or what have you, if I were them, rather than looking at the other side of basically

00:50:38.600 well-adjusted conservatives, rather than looking at it with envy and hatred and all the rest,

00:50:43.160 couldn't you just look at it and say, Hey, maybe I should be like that. Maybe I should learn

00:50:47.200 something from them because they seem better adjusted than I do. Look at it as inspo. All

00:50:53.040 right, we'll have to table the Supergirl discussion for another day because we got carried away on

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00:53:17.660 Last week, we watched Tyler Robinson sit in a court for a preliminary hearing and we brought you every second that was live streamed on our YouTube channel.

00:53:25.780 But we, the media and the public, did not see everything that those inside that courtroom did.

00:53:31.220 Joining us now to detail a key piece of evidence that was shown only to those in the courtroom

00:53:36.260 after the day had basically ended on Friday, after we had signed off, is our friend Jack

00:53:42.660 Posobiec.

00:53:43.460 He's a TPUSA contributor and Human Events Live host and was a dear, dear friend of Charlie

00:53:49.860 Kirk's.

00:53:50.840 Jack, welcome back.

00:53:52.420 So tell us what you saw in court on Friday afternoon.

00:53:56.180 Hey, Megan, thanks again for having me back.

00:53:57.760 And so, as I understand it, the live stream basically cut out for everybody who was watching, but for us, there was no stream, it just kept going.

00:54:08.600 And so this was the compilation video that had been played before, but the exhibit that they played before was the raw video only.

00:54:19.780 So that compilation of Tyler Robinson walking around the stairwell, once in his red shirt and shorts, once in his black, his second costume, sort of his assassins get up, his sniper get up, whatever you call it, where he's black, that's the one where he's walking with the limb.

00:54:37.120 And the biggest difference here is that in the raw version of this, it was not zoomed in when it got to that sort of wide angle shot of the parking lot.

00:54:49.380 And there's two angles of that. There's one that really shows the walkway across to the Lossi Center. And the other one sort of just shows the parking lot and the cars and the other side of the roof.

00:55:02.180 And later on, we've all seen that video because it was released earlier where he's running across, he drops down, he's got the gun, and then he runs across the, there's like a lawn and a hill there and he runs basically across the street.

00:55:16.720 what we saw in course this is the video of him just running across the rooftop so essentially

00:55:25.700 what we saw was actually this angle but a few minutes prior to this so this is the same angle

00:55:33.000 this is what you see although the quality here is not as good as what we saw in court and that's why

00:55:39.280 i keep pressing for all of these videos to make public because again we what they showed on that

00:55:45.240 screen in court is so much clearer both on the stairwell videos and the rooftop videos even on

00:55:50.520 the i guess it's a digital zoom in um it's so much clearer and i just i have to explain that

00:55:56.380 to everybody over and over that's why the the raws need to be put out even even the video you're

00:56:01.080 showing right now this because i know it come it came off of a screen and it was recorded off

00:56:05.400 another screen and etc etc so there's just that loss of quality from all the details that you can

00:56:11.700 see in uh in the video that it's played when it's being played on its raw version without all the

00:56:17.140 compression there for the listeners we're watching the stiff-legged tyler robinson walk into the

00:56:23.480 complex with what appears to be the gun down his pants but keep going jack of course and so the the

00:56:29.640 really big thing that you see when it's zoomed in uh when so at first you you can clearly tell

00:56:35.400 that it is a black clad individual. The timestamps line up to exactly when he gets to the top

00:56:42.380 of the stairwell, that individual. And if you go back to the first officer's testimony on the very

00:56:50.480 first day, he walks you through exactly what you see on the video. But the difference is now you're

00:56:56.240 watching it for yourself when it's zoomed in. And it shows him come up to that guardrail,

00:57:03.440 that student guard rail that was already there he climbs over it then he goes down into kind of a

00:57:12.440 crouch and at that point I started actually timing it because that's when we're told that he was

00:57:19.540 assembling the rifle and so I start timing it you know thousand one thousand two thousand three

00:57:24.220 cuts to a different angle so I'm not sure if that kept the time or not but when it cut to that

00:57:30.120 different angle what you see is that he gets up he runs across the roof he gets down in a prone

00:57:38.260 position and again you look at the time stamp and you can see exactly what he's doing in that prone

00:57:45.240 position you see the barrel of the rifle go out and I'm sitting there just saying you know

00:57:53.080 it's 12-22 and I just keep

00:57:56.040 I was trying to will it to

00:57:57.800 not get to 12-23

00:57:59.500 for some reason because

00:58:01.720 I mean

00:58:03.980 because we all know what happened to 12-23

00:58:05.700 and

00:58:06.960 you see

00:58:09.200 the moment the shot is fired

00:58:11.480 you see him

00:58:13.200 get up

00:58:14.940 and that's when the run across the roof

00:58:18.100 occurs and

00:58:20.020 it's that run

00:58:22.060 of course that's already been released and and i i just have to say that sitting there in the

00:58:26.340 courtroom watching the moment the shot is fired with charlie's wife with charlie's mom his dad

00:58:35.220 sitting right there it was a moment that made me very angry i was i was very upset watching that

00:58:42.280 because it's it was like watching charlie get killed all over again but now you're seeing the

00:58:49.920 other side of it and realizing that the individual who all the evidence points to DNA, everything

00:59:00.600 is sitting right there, right in the room. And he looked away. Tyler Robinson looked away when

00:59:08.220 this was played. And I checked with some other people in the courtroom to verify this, but his

00:59:12.920 table monitor, they have table monitors as well. His table monitor was turned off

00:59:17.680 when this was played he didn't even watch couldn't bear to see himself do it but was

00:59:24.920 full of bravado in the moment and in the days and hours thereafter as we see in those text messages

00:59:30.540 you know guess grandpa's rifle were just fine that scope was only two thousand dollars he was

00:59:37.600 yeah he did his job not feeling uh the same but what what was it about when you saw him go down

00:59:47.360 so he was he crouched to we assume to assemble the weapon and then did you see him go on his

00:59:53.160 stomach in a in a prone position yeah and then and then also did you like what about what happened

00:59:59.780 next told you he fired a shot um so you see him run across it gets down in the crouch and he is

01:00:07.300 he's prone for quite some time um you know obviously watching it's very emotional to me

01:00:15.100 it felt like he was down for minutes, but I think it was probably less than that if you actually

01:00:21.500 look at the clock, but the experience felt like it lasted hours to me just watching it. But

01:00:26.800 I would say I've described it as like a flinch. It's not as much recoil as you would see. So when

01:00:35.060 you're in the prone position, it's done to maximize accuracy and to minimize recoil. That's

01:00:42.020 the entire point of the prone position uh when you're firing and so it seems as though there's

01:00:47.660 a a flinch from the barrel and you know sort of through the body and and it's after that point

01:00:55.200 which occurs again right at that same time stamp and it's right after that that he gets up and runs

01:01:00.840 across wow i mean would you liken it to what we saw on the judge when he watched the the moment

01:01:11.120 that charlie was killed and i i believe he was watching charlie you know you saw that tape or

01:01:16.140 you might have been in the courtroom in that moment where the judge you know the shot hits and he

01:01:20.800 flinches it's um i i would and just for me i i just remember kind of gripping the chair as hard

01:01:31.440 as i could and just clenching my jaw and you know i had my rosary in my hand a lot of people had

01:01:40.900 rosaries out a number of people turned away um it was it was very hard that this is on tape

01:01:49.060 i'm shocked to hear it i'm shocked to hear there is tape of him actually taking the shot and i know

01:01:54.260 people who don't think he did it will say well of somebody whatever i mean i'm with you the

01:01:58.760 evidence is overwhelming that somebody was tyler robinson they've got time stamps they've got him

01:02:02.980 identified by his boyfriend as being the man in the video especially in the dark outfit and so on

01:02:08.260 we've got video of what we know was was tyler robinson in tyler robinson's car arriving earlier

01:02:13.180 that it's just his dna is on the rifle all over the rifle actually all over the ammo i mean it's

01:02:18.780 just it's overwhelming so um but i am surprised to hear that there is a videotape of him actually

01:02:27.440 taking the shot because in all the videos that had been released we had never seen that or still

01:02:32.040 shots we've we had never seen that that's that's the most relevant salient video of all it really

01:02:38.860 is and and i i struggle to think of you know you think of the great um you know like the the famous

01:02:45.300 assassinations of the past or you know go back to like world war one and and uh you know france

01:02:51.080 ferdinand or you know even even uh you know obviously jfk and martin luther king you know

01:02:57.600 we never actually have photos of the individual at least you know as far as i know in a video of

01:03:03.680 the video no i don't think so either shot being taken i'm trying to think if there's even one

01:03:08.400 where you have something like that and it was it was so much worse than watching a movie and i think

01:03:14.020 that for people who think that you know watching oh you know i've seen something like that in a

01:03:17.760 movie or like a mark walbert movie or something it's like no this is this is a million times worse

01:03:22.340 this is this because you know it's real and because you know what happened to a human being

01:03:26.740 And because of the amount of planning and the amount of premeditation that went into this is a struggle to even think of how to define it as other than watching an act of pure, unmitigated evil, but you're just watching a purely evil act in taking place before your eyes.

01:03:47.460 and it was captured on video just and you by the way had no idea if anyone else was standing behind

01:03:53.240 charlie or behind that you can't see behind that banner so i mean you know if you missed people

01:03:58.920 were obviously all around children were all around had no idea if anyone was behind the banner

01:04:02.560 and he just did it anyway and he he chose to do something like that and it's

01:04:09.000 it's it's it's truly evil it's just truly evil to see

01:04:13.820 what do you make of the very strange reaction to your reporting because you came out on friday

01:04:20.600 you and i were texting you posted online and you gave an interview to charlie's old colleagues at

01:04:26.240 turning point andrew and blake and immediately we had like backlash it was strange jack like

01:04:34.340 backlash to your reporting there is a podcaster named brandy sis the siciliani who posted the

01:04:43.000 following on X. I was in the courtroom today. There is no high quality zoomed in footage

01:04:47.680 showing anyone taking a shot. The video shown is the same distance as the footage of quote Tyler,

01:04:54.980 his name is in quotes, jumping off the roof shown in this screenshot. I have no idea why people are

01:05:00.920 claiming otherwise. They know the video isn't going to be released publicly. So they're

01:05:05.640 misrepresenting what was actually shown in court. And then she takes aim at Benny, who was also

01:05:11.280 there, Benny Johnson. Benny is making it seem like there's a 4K quality video of Tyler pulling

01:05:16.180 the trigger. And we all know that is absolutely not true. So what did you make of her and some

01:05:23.920 others taking issue with your testimonial? Well, what's amazing is the fact that we have

01:05:29.980 this video at all. And if people are going to split hairs over whether or not we can actually

01:05:34.660 see a finger in the trigger well and pulling the trigger, I mean, you've completely lost the plot

01:05:41.080 at this point, if that's the level you're going to. The idea that we have this video, that it

01:05:47.400 exists, that is one of the most stunning moments, one of the most impactful moments in modern

01:05:54.140 history, the murder of Charlie Kirk, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the fact

01:05:58.400 that this video exists at all is something that should give us all pause. I mean, it speaks to,

01:06:04.700 it is a video that, number one, should be released, and I don't know why they're saying

01:06:09.280 it shouldn't be released or that I think it won't be released. I've been calling for it to be

01:06:12.380 released since day one. But this is a video that will be played throughout the decades,

01:06:19.520 throughout the centuries, because of how impactful and how historic it is. It's just a piece

01:06:24.520 of history. And for the record, we've been fighting. I didn't want it to be released by

01:06:30.780 this. I've been fighting and saying that all of the evidence and all of the live stream should be

01:06:36.220 out publicly and i and i think that ultimately you know if people can see it for themselves

01:06:41.240 they can go and watch it and you know do i wish the quality were better i mean of course i wish

01:06:46.620 all videos quality were better but again i mean that's that's you know you're asking for something

01:06:51.200 that's surveillance video right the point is that it's surveillance video we're lucky it exists at

01:06:56.820 all right anything and some people who refuse to believe that tyler robinson did this have been

01:07:01.600 saying for quite some time oh but there's no video of the actual shooting oh it's so convenient how

01:07:05.580 they only have him running across the roof. And then we actually find out there is video of the

01:07:11.280 actual moment the shooter drops down and pulls the trigger and still they won't accept it. I mean,

01:07:16.500 it's just, we're never going to get through to them. I don't even really care about them,

01:07:20.880 to be honest. I just think, and I want to know your opinion as somebody who sat in that courtroom

01:07:25.900 all week. To me, the evidence is overwhelming. We never have this much evidence. To me, it's so

01:07:31.420 it's so overwhelming it shows that tyler robinson did not care at all about getting caught he did

01:07:38.760 next to nothing to cover his tracks well i mean it it's it beggars belief that he thought he would

01:07:46.640 do this again with his own cell phone with his own car with uh shoes that he's known to wear with a

01:07:53.620 you know hat that he commonly wears these hurley hats that are readily identifiable i mean you'd

01:07:58.100 think that anyone who, you know, even to have a basic, you know, look at criminal justice

01:08:04.340 procedures or, you know, watch movies or listen to some true crime podcasts, you might have heard

01:08:08.140 a few things. I think, and again, it's just my speculation, but I think that there was an element

01:08:12.960 of wanting the glory. I think there was an element of trying to impress Twiggs, the boyfriend here.

01:08:20.020 I think there were a lot of these elements that went into it, to your point, that it was completely

01:08:23.840 premeditated and that uh he was perhaps looking for recognition and renown um again i i you know

01:08:32.200 i've sat there i haven't said a word to him directly but you look at these things and it

01:08:36.600 just you know you ask yourself why would he do something that you think in 2026 that everybody

01:08:41.520 knows that they're going to check the car they're going to check your phone they're going to check

01:08:45.360 all of these things and you know as far as that video look no one's going to tell me i didn't see

01:08:51.000 what I saw. And quite frankly, I wish I hadn't seen it. And I wish that none of this had happened

01:08:55.720 because I hate all of this, but it did happen. And unfortunately we are left to do the best we can

01:09:02.780 to pick up the pieces and continue to fight. Jack, you're one of the few people, Erica,

01:09:08.820 Charlie's parents, Don Jr. Among them, Benny, who both was in the presence regularly of Charlie Kirk

01:09:16.760 and the man he was and now this week this past week was in the presence of the man who killed

01:09:22.620 him allegedly and i wonder as you see this pathetic being sitting there at defense council table 0.84

01:09:30.540 what what he looks like to you what aura he has what vibe he gives off like 0.88

01:09:36.220 what you feel when you look at him um interestingly enough it's it's almost like there's no

01:09:43.160 aura uh when you ask about that it's it's it's almost like a like a negative aura like a

01:09:48.840 like a black hole just like a black hole of hollowness emptiness like like there's nothing

01:09:58.220 there and you know to to not react when you see some of these videos or hear some of the audio

01:10:07.100 that's been played because they did play the audio of charlie being killed in and the shot

01:10:11.820 ringing out in the courtroom at full volume even if they didn't show the video and i'm sure he's

01:10:16.380 seen the video that i just i don't know how you don't react to something like that and you know

01:10:22.680 refusing to acknowledge the presence of his parents when they showed up who have been completely

01:10:28.820 sewn faced and and as far as i can tell uh you know keeping to themselves um they seem like good

01:10:34.420 people and but but tyler as well it as far as i feel about it it's um i just i can't believe

01:10:47.300 that he's sitting there and charlie's not that he's sitting there yeah on the first day it was

01:10:51.460 laughing in front of us and that charlie's gone and that charlie's never going to come back and

01:10:58.500 And that, you know, I'll just put it this way, Megan.

01:11:02.740 When they played that video, initially speaking, I was not in a good place.

01:11:09.760 What was the reaction inside the courtroom of Erica and Charlie's parents?

01:11:17.200 Incredibly emotional.

01:11:18.280 Just I would say when they played it, so there was no audio on this particular compilation

01:11:24.080 because it's, again, a surveillance video, which typically doesn't have audio.

01:11:26.900 and the room was as silent as a tomb um he couldn't even hear people breathing because

01:11:37.180 i think i think people were holding their breath and then when that moment came up

01:11:44.060 you just heard gasps sobs um uncontrollable tears from a lot of people

01:11:53.180 and it was horrible that just the people's reaction was horrible

01:11:59.540 it's something it's i know you said this is the most disturbing thing you've said you've seen

01:12:07.800 since we all saw the video of charlie actually it was shot i can understand it because there

01:12:14.120 is something about knowing just as you said in the moment you know like it must have been

01:12:18.420 excruciating leading up to that 1223 as the seconds are ticking by you know what's going

01:12:23.780 to happen but you're watching him gearing up for it everyone knows what's about to happen

01:12:28.140 except for Charlie in that moment you know it's like that just the dread and anticipation to try

01:12:35.380 to stop the clock and undo this horrible event we've all been living with and when he was walking

01:12:39.820 up the stairs I was you know because it's it just seems slower to me I don't know if they played on

01:12:45.180 slower speed or it's just the emotions of it but i was sitting there and you know thinking like

01:12:51.980 because he's walking by all these students right there's there's some students in the

01:12:54.860 parking garage there's some students in the stairwell and i'm just thinking you know

01:13:00.460 somebody stop him just just somebody just step in front of him or or trip him or

01:13:07.900 Or do something.

01:13:10.740 Somebody do something.

01:13:11.720 You can't let him do this.

01:13:15.100 And, of course, you know, it's, you know, rationally, obviously, I know what happens.

01:13:20.860 But it's that, you know, that part of me that wanted this to never happen just sort of took over.

01:13:29.720 And I'm finding myself trying to, like, will him to trip or have one of these other students just brush up against him.

01:13:37.040 So maybe the, you know, maybe the gun falls out and history takes a different path.

01:13:45.060 I wonder, I've often wondered what these other students who we see in that surveillance tape think when they see themselves passing by Charlie's killer alleged on the stairwell moments before, as the tape says, it's exactly 30 minutes before.

01:13:59.660 I'm sure it's so chilling for them and their parents that they could have.

01:14:04.180 as you point out this is one of the reasons why it's a death penalty case is that all their lives

01:14:08.420 were in danger that day he could have missed he he what if he had missed on the first shot there

01:14:12.820 would have been more shots that it was such a crowded field he had absolutely no compunctions

01:14:17.720 about the children who were there i mean little kids who were there with their parents as well

01:14:21.720 as college students um he had only one thing in mind and it appears to have been his trans

01:14:27.460 furry lover who is a lot sicker than that videotape he put into evidence would reveal 0.65

01:14:33.840 That's one of the topics for the second half of our show today.

01:14:36.860 I'll give you the last word, Jack.

01:14:39.300 No, I just want people to know that this, like, I'm not interested in trying to win

01:14:45.260 some online debate or something like that.

01:14:48.620 This is about getting justice for what happened, real justice.

01:14:52.740 This is about what evidence is being shown in court.

01:14:56.080 And we just, we have to remember that this happened and we can't act like it didn't because

01:15:01.840 unfortunately, we live in a world where there are people willing to do this, and there are people

01:15:07.100 who are willing to do this to so many other conservatives that keep trying to do it to Trump,

01:15:14.800 they've done it to a CEO in New York City, and they will not stop. And if we don't actually

01:15:22.320 confront this assassination culture, the violent political left that is getting absolutely feral,

01:15:29.860 then they will come for every single one of us today's the two-year anniversary of butler

01:15:36.940 pennsylvania yeah and president trump uh almost the victim of an assassination attempt to cory

01:15:42.580 corporatory dying in that same incident two others being shot and and all but forgotten by the media

01:15:49.680 which wants to write them off as like non-existent and then a year later we would all be down with

01:15:56.140 Charlie in, was it San Antonio? Where were we now? For the Student Action Summit of July last year.

01:16:03.200 Where was it? Tampa. Tampa. Yeah. Yeah. Tampa. That was a year ago, Jack. We were all together

01:16:10.760 one year ago with Charlie. It's just hard to believe in some ways it seems like another

01:16:16.960 lifetime ago. And at that point he had two months to live and we had no idea. So I'm with you.

01:16:24.740 over here, we'll be sticking to reality, to facts that are provable in court under the rules of

01:16:31.160 evidence, which have been established for a long, long time to ensure fair and just trials in

01:16:36.240 accordance with the principles of due process. Megan, actually, if I could throw one tiny thing

01:16:40.960 out is where's the alibi? If this isn't Tyler, where's the alibi? Just show me the alibi that

01:16:49.860 says that he was not there. Where was he? What else was he doing? I mean, I understand how the

01:16:54.720 burden of proof works but again it's a simple common sense question if he wasn't there where

01:16:59.680 was he where's the alibi night yeah and i saw you tweet over the weekend i totally agree where's the

01:17:05.080 cell phone evidence on his side showing it like if i were innocent if you wanted to see whether

01:17:09.300 megan kelly was at uvu on september 10th of 2025 i would turn over my phone and you would see

01:17:14.980 exactly where i was exactly you'd know exactly what my emotions were that entire day yeah where's

01:17:20.040 where's that it's it's in the the hands of the prosecutors and it doesn't help him at all it

01:17:25.160 shows according to the actually there was a lawyer who went online and actually found the search

01:17:31.780 warrant application that was submitted in this case uh it was i'll find her name but she did a

01:17:40.140 great breakdown of exactly what it showed yeah it was andrea burkhart she's phenomenal and it showed

01:17:45.440 he had a google maps route stored on his phone it started at 12 46 p.m so 23 minutes after the

01:17:53.260 shooting um on 9 10 it started near the mountain shadow shopping center seven minutes from the

01:17:58.880 crime scene destination was the quick quack car wash on north state street in oran investigators

01:18:06.280 then pulled records and videos from that car wash showing tyler robinson's 2013 dodge challenger with

01:18:12.260 their same license plate as tyler robinson's arriving at 12 57 p.m the google map route and

01:18:17.060 footage line up with robinson at that location a second route was stored at 1 33 a.m on 9 11 so

01:18:23.060 overnight heading into overnight from the day of the shooting wednesday into thursday starting near

01:18:28.200 where his rifle was recovered and running straight back to tyler robinson's home address in saint

01:18:34.040 george there's no question where he was he was there and there's going to be more details than

01:18:38.860 that as we get the full prosecution case i gotta run jack thank you thank you now see now i'm

01:18:45.460 thinking why did he get his car washed i know me too i have no idea maybe there was something that

01:18:51.240 he thought was on it that was somehow incriminating maybe he got the inside cleaned and he was looking

01:18:57.580 to get rid of gun powder you know gun residue that he thought might have been transferred from his

01:19:03.760 clothing onto the doors and so on you and i don't know but i guarantee you the cops and the police

01:19:08.800 do and the prosecutors seems like uh what do they what do they call that they call that a loose

01:19:12.740 thread loose thread yeah they're pulling on it right now we'll see you soon god bless megan thank

01:19:19.520 you you too up next we've got james fitzgerald and we have been asking him former fbi or as you know

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01:23:08.460 Hey, everyone. It's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news.

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01:23:36.700 and on the Sirius XM app. As we continue to parse through the revelations coming out of

01:23:45.280 Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing, major questions remain unanswered. What drove a

01:23:50.460 seemingly normal young man in Utah to the point of committing an assassination. And what picture

01:23:57.880 does the evidence presented up to this point paint for us? Joining us now to discuss is James

01:24:02.240 Fitzgerald. He's a criminal profiler and retired FBI special agent and co-host of the Cold Red

01:24:08.620 podcast. He's also a linguist, so has made the study of language part of his business. Fitz,

01:24:15.360 Welcome back. There is videotape of Tyler Robinson and his mother just a few years ago.

01:24:22.280 It was, I think, when he graduated from high school and he had just gotten news from a university of his his admission.

01:24:32.460 And they made one of those videos of like, wow, you did it. And here it is.

01:24:37.880 OK, congratulations. You have been selected to receive the resident presidential scholarship from Utah State University.

01:24:44.460 The value of this scholarship is approximately $32,000.

01:24:48.740 This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters.

01:24:54.200 There he was.

01:24:57.420 Apparently he received a perfect score on the ACT.

01:25:01.520 He had straight A's.

01:25:03.280 He only lasted one semester at that university and then left and wound up at a technical college learning how to be an electrician.

01:25:11.160 There's nothing wrong with being an electrician.

01:25:12.560 And I'm just saying it was somewhat of a reversal of fortune.

01:25:15.840 Clearly, we don't know what happened.

01:25:18.020 And we certainly don't fully understand yet how that young man turned into an assassin.

01:25:23.920 So what do you make of it, Fitz?

01:25:26.740 Well, Megan, first of all, it's good to be back with you again.

01:25:29.560 Always, of course, on some kind of a sad topic here.

01:25:33.280 But it's really a toxic influence of a lot of things.

01:25:38.320 And I'm looking between, I don't even like using their names, but the shooter and his lover, Lance, this toxic combination of substance abuse, of gaming, and no doubt pot smoking, tie that in with substance abuse, alcoholism.

01:25:56.100 and these game room, these chat rooms associated with the gaming

01:26:03.920 as well as other, no doubt, very negative-oriented chat rooms

01:26:09.720 that it just creates a perfect storm over this.

01:26:13.380 I used this term before, lost generation.

01:26:16.040 I didn't originate that.

01:26:16.940 It was a bunch of authors and novelists 100 years ago.

01:26:19.740 But now it's these, not all Gen Z people,

01:26:22.520 but there seem to be late teens through late 20s, 0.72

01:26:25.780 just just just an ignorance of the basic rules of society of morality where death is the answer to

01:26:33.260 everything because that's that's what happens in their games of course and then they come their

01:26:37.140 character comes back to life you know minutes later uh and i'm not going to blame necessarily

01:26:41.960 bad parenting in this case uh the shooter's parents turned him in uh you know within 48 hours or so

01:26:49.280 i'll give them some credit there that video you just showed i mean i guess that's a proud mom

01:26:54.380 other proud moms do things like that with their kids. But what downward spiral, what catalyst,

01:27:01.540 what epiphany struck this eventual shooter in his life, in his prime, to then begin this

01:27:10.460 downward spiral, which resulted in, again, pulling the trigger on a rooftop and killing Charlie Kirk?

01:27:16.380 I don't have all the answers. I hope as part of his sentencing, he's willing to do not only a

01:27:21.900 psych eval, but before he's probably going to be executed if convicted, that whatever's happening

01:27:29.000 with the Long Island serial killer who's agreed, but it's part of his sentencing, to in fact be

01:27:34.140 interviewed by my former colleagues in the behavioral analysis unit. I would love to see

01:27:38.480 an in-depth interview of this person and maybe just scratch the surface of what turned this guy

01:27:44.200 from quote-unquote relatively normal to a stone-cold assassin.

01:27:51.780 What do you make of the language, Fitz, because this is right up your alley,

01:27:56.480 that he uses in these alleged texts where he talks about how

01:28:01.120 I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I took it.

01:28:05.480 This is the letter that he wrote to Lance Twiggs and that was burned but found,

01:28:11.160 well, Twiggs had taken a picture of it, which is how we know it was in it,

01:28:13.840 And then they found the burned remnants in the trash can of the kitchen.

01:28:17.420 I don't know if I will have succeeded, but I had hoped to make it home to you.

01:28:21.520 I wish we could have lived in a world where this did not feel necessary.

01:28:25.500 I wish I could have stayed with you and lived our lives together.

01:28:28.820 I lack the words to express how much I love you and how very much you mean to me.

01:28:33.160 Please try and find joy in this life.

01:28:35.400 I love you always, Tyler.

01:28:37.880 And he also says at the top, I left the house this morning on a mission

01:28:42.760 and said in auto text, I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence.

01:28:49.080 He may lack the words to prove his love for Lance, but he went out and did something that

01:28:56.060 afternoon to try to prove it, which of course was the murder of Charlie Kirk. I was surprised by the

01:29:02.920 kind of almost casual stream of consciousness utilized in these text messages. Sometimes you

01:29:09.140 see them much more emotionality involved or anger or vitriol of some sort. But these were not quite

01:29:15.300 contemporaneous to the shooting itself, but I think within 12 or certainly 24 hours of the

01:29:21.160 shooting. And barely, he is, IRL, as the young say in real life, is unchartered territory for the

01:29:31.620 shooter. He didn't comprehend, he clearly didn't comprehend the long-term scope of his actions

01:29:40.320 and what he was about to undertake. He thought about it short term, certainly the pre-offense

01:29:45.020 behavior is suggestive of that and everything he put into it, getting grandpa's gun and engraving

01:29:51.280 the cartridges, whatever. But he didn't think of the long-term part, as you were saying with your

01:29:57.320 earlier guests, with his phone and his car and knowing that there'd be surveillance video around.

01:30:01.620 and wearing clothes that everyone will recognize him in. But the casualness and just the way that

01:30:11.460 he came across to his lover, Lance, is almost like, hey, this is no big deal. I've done it for

01:30:16.540 you. Let's do burgers tonight for dinner would almost be like a fitting ending phrase or clause

01:30:24.080 to these text messages. Yeah, like I was saying to Jack, he says, judging from today, I'd say

01:30:29.400 grandpa's gun does just fine. I don't know. I, IDK. I think that was a $2,000 scope.

01:30:38.020 So irrelevant to what had just happened. So a meaningless to what had just happened. I mean,

01:30:43.980 we get the context it's put in and he's probably not lying there. It was probably a decent scope

01:30:49.460 and the rifle unfortunately did its job. But the point is to have that kind of a conversation with

01:30:55.220 someone who's your lover, someone you spend some time with. But it was a symbiotic relationship in

01:31:00.920 which it seems both of their strongest negative aspects to their lives just fed off of each other.

01:31:08.720 And it seems like towards the last few months from everything I've read about them and heard

01:31:12.600 about these two, they were kind of isolated, not so much dealing with other people. Not that the

01:31:17.620 other people they were dealing with on these chat rooms were prize pigs to begin with in terms of 0.89

01:31:22.180 their ideology and what they were espousing, certainly in the trans movement and others.

01:31:28.360 But it seems like they really isolated themselves in those last few months. And when you only have

01:31:34.220 an echo chamber of one other person and your thought processes are negative and the same,

01:31:39.420 violent, immoral, some people will react as the shooter did and will take out those types of

01:31:47.640 actions. But it's just a combination, like I said, a toxic formula of everything that could

01:31:54.180 have gone wrong in this generation. And I would like to look more into the parenting of both of

01:31:59.200 these guys, but certainly our shooter, and see just what kind of permissiveness, just what kind

01:32:04.740 of parental relationships he had. They were both the black sheep of the family, supposedly,

01:32:10.940 meaning the shooter and, of course, Lance. By the way, I don't say shooter's names. I think

01:32:15.220 you know that about me uh but uh killer's names but in this particular case you know they were

01:32:20.800 the black sheep of their families and yeah what what what led to this downward progression but

01:32:26.000 yet when they communicate with one another it seems almost normal it seems like a regular you

01:32:30.460 know pick up milk on the way home you know from work something like that uh with these casual

01:32:35.160 uh text message and of course the letter left left under the keyboard uh all pre-planned to

01:32:41.900 to some degree the letter was and just one last conversation with i'm looking for like i'm looking

01:32:47.680 james for like something more about what it tells you like if if you were looking for this shooter

01:32:53.140 and you had these text messages but you didn't know who they were from you didn't have an identity

01:32:58.660 and you're sitting at the fbi trying to come up with a profile of who is this guy

01:33:03.200 he sounds you kind of said this a second ago kind of dead inside jack pasoba just told us there is

01:33:10.040 no aura around him in the courtroom. It's like a black hole. Like, what would you glean from

01:33:15.780 these texts? What would we be looking for? Would you be shocked when it turned out to be this guy?

01:33:21.100 And that was what I normally had to do in my FBI career is look at anonymous text or emails or

01:33:26.440 postings of some sort. You know, Tom Wolf coined the term social x-rays, describing a certain

01:33:31.700 subclass, you know, in New York City. I would call a guy like this and maybe throw in Lance too,

01:33:37.020 social vacuums. They are just dark, empty vessels of people. And yeah, they interact with each

01:33:46.420 other. They have emotions for each other. But it seems the rest of the world, they're shut off to

01:33:53.240 it, and they're shut off with any type of reality there. If I was looking at this from an anonymous

01:33:58.560 perspective, I would say, well, this person is very matter-of-fact, and knowing that a shooting

01:34:04.980 just occurred, and this is our likely suspect, even without a name, I'd say this person is very

01:34:09.940 well, he has his emotions under control. He has little caring at all for the victims of this.

01:34:18.780 And as you mentioned with your earlier guests, the possible other victims, including small

01:34:22.760 children, if there were a few rounds that missed or went through and hit other people behind Charlie, 0.59

01:34:28.280 I would probably put this person somewhere on the psychopathy scale, meaning he's a psychopath.

01:34:33.580 It goes from zero to 40. I'm not here to do a psych eval of them. I'm sure the defense team will do that. That'll be part of the defense somewhere they're going to add into that at some point. And he may be on there to some degree. He can cope with society, everyday stuff, going to work, doing his trade work, whatever that was.

01:34:53.300 But when it comes to him getting this personal hung up feelings about what is offensive to him, as well as his lover, he just had to go on this mission. And this mission is what took over his entire life.

01:35:07.000 It does make you wonder if he hadn't met Lance Twiggs, whether this event would have happened

01:35:14.540 because I'm not excusing anything that was done here or giving him an out.

01:35:19.140 I'm just saying, let's be real about the downward spiral that happened in the year or two years

01:35:24.640 after he moved in with Twiggs in 2023.

01:35:28.000 They became roommates.

01:35:29.540 The other roommates had split.

01:35:30.900 these two were in a very unhealthy relationship with that was characterized by excessive drinking

01:35:37.700 at least on twigs's part the the report that we got from this guy who goes by turkey tom on youtube

01:35:42.800 who was contacted by someone saying that they had been an intimate friend of theirs and provided

01:35:47.080 pictures of what he says was inside the apartment was that it was near alcoholic levels of drinking

01:35:52.800 on the part of twigs who was taking off a black market hrt hormone replacement therapy for women 0.52

01:35:59.180 those are women's drugs trying to grow breasts doing weird experiments inside of the apartment

01:36:04.500 with mold this is um directly from so you got again he goes by turkey tom from his report let's

01:36:11.040 take a listen to a little bit more of what he said about what was the conditions what were the

01:36:15.580 conditions inside the apartment i had another magic night at the end of january i'd get to

01:36:20.360 lance and tyler's place and he'd be super wide-eyed with either a loopy grin or a rictus grin like the

01:36:26.180 joker depending on his mood. The nest came back full force and Lance started living downstairs

01:36:31.060 full time again. This is a picture of a kind of cleaned up version. Imagine this type of mess,

01:36:36.040 but denser and all over the living room and kitchen counters. He'd either be doing this

01:36:40.400 or his experiments or talking with chat GPT day in and day out. He hardly ever slept. The

01:36:46.920 experiments got scarier too, like jugs of water with a whisk full of aluminum foil that had two

01:36:52.240 copper wires coming out of them. The water was clear one day, and at some point, I think the

01:36:56.860 wires got plugged into the outlet because the water turned brown and the aluminum foil was

01:37:01.220 pretty burnt. He also started leaving little papers around the house that he had scribbled

01:37:05.180 on while doing that giggling thing. It's at this point that our leaker here sent an extensive set

01:37:10.140 of pictures he'd taken of the state of the apartment and the notes Lance left around.

01:37:14.460 First is an image of their magic table, completely vandalized with garbage that

01:37:18.640 mostly resembles electrical stuff which is odd because tyler was the one in an electrical

01:37:23.220 apprenticeship program not lance all i can think when i see that that's is how dark and almost

01:37:31.680 demonic a place to live day after day yeah and i um these guys played the game uh dungeons and

01:37:40.860 dragons and i first learned about that during the unabomb investigation because some people thought

01:37:45.940 The Unabomber may be somehow involved in that, but carrying it out in real time in real world actions.

01:37:54.040 And who knows if what took place in that apartment and with all these type of devices and experiments going on, which, of course, the Unabomber did, too, mostly outside of his cabin in the woods.

01:38:08.580 So perhaps there's some similar mindsets here of these isolated people, even if it's just two of them and a few guests every once in a while, but their brain just gets addled, again, from this toxic formula I talked about earlier, and they just feel the need to do all these types of bizarre, incoherent type of activities. 0.61

01:38:29.080 And they only work to worsen the other person with whom they're associating and bring up the fact that Charlie Kirk's coming to town and allegedly what he would say that violated the trans community and their belief systems.

01:38:43.360 And all of a sudden, all these experiments, just like with the Unabomber, having read all his internal documents we found in the cabin, just got him more angry and angry about where society was going.

01:38:53.260 In this case, we don't see too much of a difference there with these two.

01:38:57.720 But it was very, very focused in one particular area.

01:39:00.720 Get the gun from Grandpa and then go on this mission.

01:39:04.220 Again, Dungeons and Dragons related.

01:39:06.900 What is the, is it self-aggrandizement?

01:39:09.580 The, you know, some hate can't be negotiated out.

01:39:12.280 You know, just like he's going to step in.

01:39:14.760 He's going to take care of this figure, you know, because he's just too hateful.

01:39:19.460 What is that?

01:39:20.040 You know, I've worked many investigations besides Unabomb, but that taught me so much and the law enforcement community.

01:39:31.580 One of the few books cited by the Unabomber in the manifesto was The True Believer by Eric Hoffer.

01:39:37.320 And he does go and explain the kind of these kind of movements that people get involved in and the kind of people that join these movements and for what reason.

01:39:47.240 And I'm not going to say you don't have to read these books or read, you know, True Believer to understand this.

01:39:53.200 But it seems there's something in human nature with disassociated, dissatisfied people, insecure people that they turn into this fanatic.

01:40:01.180 And it can be very sort of pencil thin and into one particular category of life.

01:40:05.600 And they're living through personal insecurities and dissatisfaction.

01:40:09.740 They're craving some sort of need for an enemy.

01:40:14.180 And they just they find it.

01:40:15.700 They identify with it.

01:40:16.740 And you have this bizarre behavior, you know, besides that going on.

01:40:20.500 And it just leads to this.

01:40:22.280 They found this enemy, Charlie Kirk.

01:40:24.080 What can we do?

01:40:24.760 Oh, that's right.

01:40:25.160 My father or grandfather has this gun somewhere and he has to and he gets access to it and gets up on a roof.

01:40:31.020 You know, no doubt copying from a year before.

01:40:35.780 Was it a year before?

01:40:37.220 Yeah, I believe so.

01:40:38.380 With the Trump assassination, the anniversary being this weekend, of course.

01:40:43.080 And just finally, hey, that guy could almost get away with it.

01:40:45.660 let me try this thing too so there's nothing original with these these folks usually in their

01:40:50.280 modus operandi but they do it anyway on this guy on hoffer on hoffer and the concept of a fanatic

01:40:57.020 um there is there something about like you're sacrificing yourself in hoffer you know like

01:41:04.500 because he's like oh i'll either be dead or heading for a lengthy prison sentence you know 0.98

01:41:11.020 but i i had to do it suddenly he's got a mission suddenly he goes from being this absolute loser

01:41:17.120 with a disappointment i'm sure to his parents given the grades and all that to this like no 0.94

01:41:22.980 nothing with a trans furry he's calling himself they them they're immersed in this drug non-stop 0.82

01:41:30.000 discord gaming culture like is this the the resurrection you know in his mind of like 0.97

01:41:36.240 himself as some sort of hero. Yeah, the phoenix. Yeah, and Huffer makes it very clear they're

01:41:42.900 craving for self-sacrifice. By sacrificing themselves for an impossible cause, they

01:41:48.960 mask their own perceived failures and shortcomings. And I just quoted Eric Huffer there. And that

01:41:54.320 really, I think, very well from everything we know publicly, that would define our shooter in

01:41:59.600 this particular case and throwing in his buddy Lance too. So, I mean, it's, again, this is part

01:42:05.260 human nature, part of how we're all, you know, evolved over the years and the millennia. But,

01:42:10.300 you know, Hoffer put it in writing, Unabomber liked quoting him. And he was, of course,

01:42:15.520 a fanatic in some ways, as Hoffer pointed out. And he felt that was important enough to cite.

01:42:21.760 These guys probably never, well, they may have heard of Eric Hoffer. I don't know. They were

01:42:25.500 studying stoicism, I understand, you know, in the last year or so before the shooting,

01:42:30.420 and getting into some of these ideologies down the line.

01:42:33.820 So who knows how they came across some of these concepts.

01:42:38.140 Let me ask you, in the minute we have left, Fitz,

01:42:40.600 forgive me for interrupting, I'm just short on time.

01:42:43.040 Would you, like if you had a parent who fell in

01:42:45.940 with a kid like this Twiggs,

01:42:47.660 who was already vulnerable potentially

01:42:49.260 on the autism spectrum,

01:42:51.160 maybe you'd seen signs of psychopathy in him earlier.

01:42:54.000 We don't know the full story of Robinson's background.

01:42:56.860 Would you intervene and say, no,

01:42:59.380 hard no you're not living with this person we're not allowing this well i'll tell you what i

01:43:06.240 wouldn't do i wouldn't pay their rent i mean they're over 18 i guess you couldn't stop them 0.84

01:43:10.760 from living with someone else but i wouldn't pray that pay their friggin rent uh megan because it

01:43:16.140 just and i understand that's what both parents were doing or i think at least lance's parents

01:43:20.380 were and that was certainly helping out the others so i would do everything in my powers

01:43:24.400 to dissuade them. If there are any guns I knew of in my life or in my extended family's life,

01:43:29.560 I'd also make sure they're locked up and no way anyone would have access to those.

01:43:34.740 So yeah, as a parent, looking back, I have so many friends who are parents I am,

01:43:40.320 and there's just no way a kid I know could get this screwed up without a lot of influences from

01:43:46.000 there. I'm sure the parents have many regrets. Fitz, thank you. You're welcome. We continue.

01:43:50.980 You're welcome.

01:43:52.720 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:43:54.640 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 13, 2026

Lindsey Graham's Legacy, McConnell's ＂Proof of Life,＂ and the Robinson Video You DIDN'T See, with Knowles, Posobiec, and Fitz ｜ Ep. 1358

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