00:03:40.400but that's a separate issue you can ask questions about a politician's sudden death especially one
00:03:46.200as controversial as lindsey graham i just don't think the time to celebrate their death is as
00:03:52.920his family is still shedding tears and grieving him you want to talk six months from now about
00:03:58.560lindsey graham's legacy and trash it i mean he was a politician so i guess that's something you can
00:04:04.140do. Okay. I mean, I guess that's up to you, but his family is just still finding out that he's
00:04:12.900no longer here. You know, we're talking, it was within like 16 hours of learning that he had died
00:04:19.060suddenly and just the pile on. I find this so cruel and insensitive. Again, even as somebody
00:04:28.680who had become one of his harshest critics in some ways, definitely did not like the rhetoric
00:04:34.360he was using around war. I would never do that to the man upon death. I just find it so disrespectful.
00:04:42.520You don't have to like Graham. Why don't you just have some modicum of respect for his family?
00:04:47.220Just like show your humanity a little bit. Take a beat. Why don't you keep the trashing on a private
00:04:54.780text chain between you and your fellow people who can't stand them? What possesses you to go online
00:05:01.400and write the nastiest stuff about somebody who served the country, whether you were his fan or
00:05:06.320not, honorably for the vast majority of his adult life? Okay, whatever. We're going to bring on
00:05:11.120Michael Knowles in a minute. Also, Supergirl remains a massive flop at the box office. Good
00:05:16.240gracious. This thing cost over, they spent over like $350 million on this between the production
00:05:22.500budget and the marketing budget. And it's going to make back maybe one third of that money by all
00:05:28.860accounts. And there are some really interesting questions behind why, you know, behind the,
00:05:35.120behind the notion of why, why, why, why are these movies about these female superheroes
00:05:41.120bombing? And was it something about this one, this star in particular that sent this one? I
00:05:47.460know it sounds like a hundred, a hundred million dollars. How's that a bomb? Well, when it, when
00:05:50.760they spent $350 million to make it. Would you be happy if you lost $250 million on your latest
00:05:56.960project? So what's happening here? We'll get into it with Michael Knowles. He's with us now. He's
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00:06:53.900Michael, welcome back. Great to have you.
00:06:55.760Good to see you. Thanks for having me.
00:06:57.660You know what I'm saying about Graham, right?
00:06:59.720It's like there's someone losing something of our humanity here when people die who we consider political opponents or with whose political views we disagree.
00:07:11.400Yes, both sides do it, but the left does it a lot more than the right.
00:07:29.460They're trying to cheat death all the time.
00:07:31.340The first image that came to my mind when I saw these people celebrating Lindsey Graham's death is the epigraph above the bone chapels that you can sometimes see in Europe.
00:07:40.760These are chapels made of bones and skulls.
00:07:43.560And the epigraphs written right above a skull.
00:07:45.740it says, as you are, I once was, and as I am, you will be. So the ancient wisdom
00:07:53.740is de mortuis nil nisi bonum, of the dead we say nothing but good. It's not that we want to lie,
00:08:00.920it's not like we want to pretend that we didn't have disagreements with Lindsey Graham or anybody
00:08:04.980else, but it's that when someone dies, you focus on the good things. And this is ancient wisdom
00:08:11.040that goes back to Kailan of Sparta in the sixth century, okay? It's on pretty good authority.
00:08:16.200And so when you think about Lindsey Graham, you say, all right, the left is going to say really
00:08:20.760nice things about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He was an austere religious scholar. They're going to say
00:08:24.960really nice things about Fidel Castro. He stood a thwart the United States or whatever. But of
00:08:30.300Lindsey Graham, he's the worst guy ever. And I think on the right, Lindsey Graham might be more
00:08:35.320controversial than he is on the left because he very much was a leader of the neocon faction,
00:08:41.340very interventionist foreign policy. He was considered pro amnesty and weaker on immigration.
00:08:47.820But I met Lindsey Graham one time. I think I only met him one time. It was back when Senator Cruz
00:08:54.160and I launched the Verdict podcast. This was during the first Trump impeachment. And one of
00:08:59.000the earliest, earliest episodes, Senator Cruz brings Lindsey Graham by the studio. And it was
00:09:04.740this kind of weird shag carpeting in a basement near the White House in D.C. And Lindsey Graham,
00:09:11.060the first thing that struck me about him was he was so funny. He was very funny on the show.
00:09:16.640And then off camera, it was dialed up in order of magnitude. Lindsey Graham, I can say, is the
00:09:21.060single funniest guest I have ever interviewed on any show. He was instantly likable. He was
00:09:27.680deeply knowledgeable. He was very generous with his time. And it is curious that people who didn't
00:09:33.680agree with him on the right, you know, people who come from different foreign policy factions or
00:09:37.540what have you, generally speaking, if they knew him, they only have nice things to say about him.
00:09:42.080And his colleagues on the left who knew him personally only have nice things to say about
00:09:47.120him. Even, what's his name? Al Franken. You know, I'm good enough, strong enough, and gosh darn it,
00:09:52.960people like me. Al Franken. Yeah. When he was in the Senate, there was some interview that he gave0.66
00:09:58.080where he was complaining that all the senators tried to tell him jokes and how annoying it was.
00:10:02.100And I said, basically, the only one that's funny is Lindsey Graham. So why do I mention this? Not just to focus on the good things. And, you know, it's the difference between a flatterer and a diplomat. The flatterer lies to ingratiate himself. The diplomat just kind of focuses on the good things.
00:10:17.680But I think there's actually a political lesson for us here, which is whether you love Lindsey
00:10:22.220Graham, whether he drove you up a wall, Lindsey Graham was an extremely effective politician.
00:10:27.360And he was extremely effective for a few reasons. He was good to people as much as he could be. He
00:10:33.720was good to people even when he disagreed with them. And two, he understood that politics,
00:10:38.660at least in America, comes down to party. It comes down to supporting the party.
00:10:43.340You think about all those guys who ran against Trump or who were attacking Trump in 2016.
00:10:48.480The difference between Lindsey Graham and the rest of those guys is those guys are now
00:10:52.220screaming on Twitter or Blue Sky or Substack.0.99
00:10:55.020Those are the only outlets they have.1.00
00:10:57.000And Lindsey Graham remained at the center of power.
00:19:03.580Lindsay Graham is your brother, but it sounds like he was a father figure.
00:19:07.600Absolutely, yeah. Even when my parents were alive, they worked really long, hard hours running a small business.
00:19:16.120So even then, he was a caregiver to me.
00:19:18.580And the fact that he actually adopted you, that can't be easy to adopt a sibling.
00:19:24.320He did it in order to give you his military benefits.
00:19:27.100Right, right. And at first, the idea was a little odd, but I was like, no, it makes perfect sense.
00:19:33.560And I just trusted his judgment. So I knew he was doing what he could to take care of me and it was best for us.
00:19:41.020So that is the woman that President Trump would like to see serve out the remainder of Lindsey Graham's term.1.00
00:19:48.460She yeah, they were very poor. Obviously, he adopted her, as Dana pointed out, so that she could benefit from his military benefits, which worked.0.99
00:19:58.040and they were very very close the new york post apparently reached her this morning michael to
00:20:03.780ask her for her reaction to the president's suggestion of her name it didn't appear she was
00:20:10.320aware of it she just said to the new york post like i'm sorry i'm i'm actually just kind of
00:20:16.540devastated right now and i can't really chat like i she's still grieving obviously this is sudden a
00:20:22.000sudden i i know personally what it's like to have a sudden sudden death by heart issue and
00:20:27.060it's devastating it's it's one of the best ways to go for the person who dies you know it's kind
00:20:32.880of how we all wish we would go like a moment i'm sure you're stunned you don't know what's happening
00:20:38.600and there's not a lot of discomfort because it happens very fast and then you're gone but for
00:20:44.180the remainder you know for the family sudden death of a loved one is absolutely devastating
00:20:49.800and i'm sure even though 71 is relatively young by 2026 standards it's not young in the eyes of
00:20:55.740like a 20-year-old today, they'd say, oh, 71. So he's had a full life, is my point, but I'm sure
00:21:00.980his sister is still reeling. What do you make of the nomination of a family member as the
00:21:06.160potential successor? Well, you know what's funny about, to your point, Megan, on death,
00:21:10.000the view you've just articulated, I think, is the ubiquitous view of how most people want to go out
00:21:14.720today, which is they want someone to just turn the lights off, basically. Not see it coming.
00:21:19.860You know, this is like of mice and men. George goes up to Lenny in the back of the head, and
00:21:24.300you don't see it coming. But for most of history, it was actually the opposite. People really wanted
00:21:29.620to know when they were going to die. They would have preferred a long illness to a sudden death
00:21:33.960because they would want to get their souls in order. They'd want to go to confession. They'd
00:21:37.740want to make sure everything was right with the big guy before they go up there. And it's, I think,
00:21:42.920a distinctive aspect of our modern age that we don't think that way. And for the people who are
00:21:47.980grieving, I think the grass is always greener. Some people say, well, I wish I had time to say
00:21:53.900goodbye. And then the other people will, you know, if they do have a long time with their
00:21:57.320loved one, they'll say, well, no, I wish it were sooner. The long goodbye was so painful and
00:22:01.060excruciating. So it's all, all of that to say, it's all very, very brutal. And yes, of course,
00:22:05.540this woman who's not particularly political is, is grieving an amazing bit of parallelism that
00:22:10.900when the New York post calls her, the president says, uh, you know, I, I, I want you to take the
00:22:17.080seat. And she effectively says, I'm hearing this for the first time. You know, uh, he was an
00:22:21.540amazing person, very reminiscent of when Trump found out about RBG's death. But what do we make
00:22:28.220of it? I'm a Republican voter, a lot of Republican voters listening. What do we make of it as people
00:22:33.820who want to see a solid person in this seat? I know there's going to be a lot of objections.
00:22:39.140People are going to say, well, this woman doesn't have any political experience. They're going to
00:22:44.020say, we don't really know what she thinks about things. She hasn't campaigned, yada, yada, yada.
00:22:48.540I take a very Lindsey Graham approach to this question, which is I want a reliable Republican vote who is going to advance the president's agenda for the remainder of this term.
00:26:56.740And I respect and like Mitch McConnell.
00:26:59.580This is not, I'm trying to be respectful of him,
00:27:02.220but this has a lot of tongues wagging about whether this is real,
00:27:07.240whether we can trust this photo. And now the team is saying it. They're not saying it was a heart
00:27:14.060attack. They're just saying it was something else like he he passed out and he had some amorphous
00:27:22.620issue, but not a heart attack. Mitch McConnell's allegedly saying that himself. So why was he
00:27:28.820getting CPR? It's just there's a lot. And by the way, Senator Graham's team said he died after a
00:27:35.660brief illness on Sunday night, a brief illness. Why'd they say that? I thought that the autopsy
00:27:42.480says aortic dissection. That means your heart split and you dropped dead. That's not a short
00:27:48.740illness. Why wouldn't they have just said a cardiac event? I don't know what's going on,
00:27:52.220but this is exactly how conspiracy theories get started. Yes. In the case of Senator McConnell,
00:27:56.640this is some late stage Soviet union stuff where you're propping up the leaders who seem to be
00:28:01.940croaking every six months. So literally, I don't know that I buy the excuses. I mean,
00:28:07.900right after he was brought to the hospital, you had all of these people in government and media,
00:28:13.040and they all came out and they said almost the exact same thing. They said, oh, I've just spoken
00:28:16.140with Mitch McConnell for 20 minutes. We discussed Iran and the economy. We solved Fermat's last
00:28:21.300theorem. You know, we were discussing quantum entanglement. He had some really interesting
00:28:24.540insights. You think like, who is nobody's believing this? What are you talking about?
00:28:28.120And then you have the Democrat in Kentucky, Andy Beshear, the governor, who is demanding proof of life, essentially.
00:28:34.560He wants an update on the medical condition.
00:28:36.820You're getting some of that from the Republicans as well.
00:28:39.220But, of course, in a very Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham kind of operative twist, you've got this issue where if Mitch McConnell were to have suffered a very serious medical event such that he would have to leave the Senate,
00:28:53.520if he did so before august 3rd in kentucky that would trigger a special election and the special
00:29:00.340election could really mess up the republicans in the general election because as you point out
00:29:04.860mitch mcconnell's not running for re-election so you've got the table set everything's good to go
00:29:08.960for the re-election we're gonna have another republican senator from kentucky in january but
00:29:13.460if mcconnell were to leave office before then you'd have a special election now you'd have a new
00:29:17.660incumbent who might run for re-election all of a sudden this this easy replacement becomes very
00:29:23.360very complicated. And so what's going to happen? I think people are going to be really, really
00:29:27.320cagey on Mitch McConnell until August 3rd. And I don't buy that he's speaking of all the latest
00:29:36.000updates on Plattner and Iran and all the rest of that. I guess I buy the photo. The photo is pretty
00:29:41.820weird, though, too. Then his wife, the former transportation secretary, I mean, she was in
00:29:46.760China, reportedly meeting with the vice president of China while he was in the hospital. So look,
00:29:52.260McConnell obviously is not in great health. He's frozen up in recent years. He now reportedly he
00:29:57.580took a fall also in recent days. I don't really know about any of that. The one thing I do know,
00:30:03.540people will be accused of being cynical and overly political by encouraging this kind of
00:30:10.560subterfuge and obscurity all the way through August 3rd. And I think this is classic McConnell.
00:30:16.820This is all cocaine Mitch, you know, who says that the winners make laws and the losers go home.
00:30:20.680So I'm fairly confident that he, more than anybody, would love to at least keep things going through August 3rd such that the legacy of his seat is secure.
00:30:31.040But any reporting that I'm getting until then, I'm taking it with a very, very hefty grain of salt.
00:36:23.420And the author of the piece actually notes the absurdity of trying to pitch him
00:36:29.060on a story about winning back men by arguing these men engage culturally in male spaces
00:36:35.420and says, yeah, there is there remains anthropological distance that points to the
00:36:42.260depths of the party's problem. Just in using that phrase to pitch this writer for the Atlantic
00:36:48.080on doing this story in the first place. The Democrats are focused, however, on finding
00:36:53.020manly men to run under their party banner to try to win back the manly men who rejected them
00:36:59.740soundly under President Trump during Kamala Harris's run and during the 2024 election.
00:37:05.760My daddy was a factory worker. My granddaddy laid the railroad tracks. And the one thing they both
00:37:12.220told me as a boy is to engage culturally in male spaces. You're not going to convince me otherwise.
00:37:18.920no, sir, this is really pathetic. And of course, it takes more than a Reuben sandwich to prove0.98
00:37:25.000one's male bona fides. This guy who says that there's nothing wrong with being masculine
00:37:29.520is obviously contradicting what the entire left has now told us for about 30 years,
00:37:36.180which is that it's toxic to be masculine. The masculinity is toxic. It's poisonous.
00:37:42.000It has to be extirpated. Now, the Dems realized that blew them out of the water. The reason
00:37:47.120they're focusing on this is boindexter by the way this is yeah you know he's he's kind of got the
00:37:51.940look to him but he doesn't have the party and he doesn't have the platform because what the reason
00:37:57.840they're focusing on sex here rather than race say you know they're clearly trying to run some more
00:38:03.100white guys they had platner up in may and that didn't work out so well they have talarico uh0.97
00:38:08.020and but the reason they're focusing on sex is because what really uh lost the people for the0.89
00:38:14.780Democrats was not the hideous racial ideologies that they've been pushing. I wish that had lost
00:38:19.680the people, but it didn't. It was the sexual stuff. It was the feminism leading into the gay
00:38:25.540rights stuff, reaching its apotheosis with the transgender ideology, specifically transing the0.70
00:38:31.300kids. That's what lost the common sense for the Democrats. That's what Republicans campaigned on0.64
00:38:36.680in 2024, even when they're talking about the economy, even when they're talking about immigration,
00:38:40.360even when they're talking about foreign policy, the real cultural touchstone for them was the
00:38:45.300trans ideology because it showed that the Democrats had completely lost their judgment.
00:38:50.160And if they couldn't be trusted to know the difference between a little boy and a little
00:38:52.600girl, they couldn't be trusted on any other issue. So the Democrats know they have this
00:38:57.460existential problem that they've got to fix. But the difficulty for them is they're unwilling to
00:39:03.320give up all of the woke stuff up to and including the trans ideology. So it's one thing to go
00:39:10.360out there and say we want to win men over again and we want to win back the working class and we
00:39:14.000want to win back unions union members by the way who vote republican even union leadership these
00:39:19.460days is not reliably democrat i mean that's that is an existential crisis for the dems but but it's
00:39:24.880one thing to go out there and say it but if you're gonna if you're gonna convincingly say it you got0.52
00:39:29.780to give up all the gay stuff and the trans stuff and the lavender stuff you can't have one of these0.99
00:39:33.700guys like driving that dodge ram truck on like a farmer's field and pulling over and letting0.91
00:39:38.580dylan mulvaney get inside yes no yeah i mean there's no you can't put on the hard hat and
00:39:43.940the vest and say you know what we ordinary americans care about is putting food on our
00:39:49.000table and making sure that the intersectional disadvantages that the trans muslims have faced
00:39:54.840for decades are finally corrected that's a week it just doesn't work you know it's kind of like
00:39:59.800what yellowstone tried to do yeah they want you know they they want to have the the americana but
00:40:04.760it doesn't play. Tallarico is a clear example of this too. Tallarico, they say, look, we got a
00:40:10.580white guy who's straight, I guess, and Christian, but then he opens his mouth and his girlfriend
00:40:16.460lives in Canada or whatever. She goes to another school and then his Christianity is not Christian
00:40:22.020at all. And it doesn't play. Got some weird thoughts about the Virgin Mary. Yeah, yeah. I0.97
00:40:27.760mean, and about God himself as being non-binary. And so it doesn't work. To me, the clearest
00:40:34.060expression of this problem for the Dems is Gavin Newsom, because he knows that he can't win as a
00:40:40.480woke guy, one, because he's a white guy. And so that he just won't be able to win that faction.
00:40:45.080But he knows that the Democrat Party still demands the woke stuff. So, you know, one day he's hosting
00:40:50.940Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his podcast. And then the next day he's he's calling Stephen
00:40:56.000Miller a fascist and he's playing to the most radical elements of the Democrat Party. And he
00:41:00.760just now he's getting the worst of all worlds because he can't pick a lane that the democrats
00:41:05.240yeah he was schizophrenic yes they can't they can't leave the woke stuff so they they're they're
00:41:11.100when if and when we see poindexter come out and denounce this then we'll know we found a real
00:41:19.400manly man and by this i mean elliot page whose real name is ellen who was the star of juno who
00:41:26.980was a very cute girl who now wants us to believe that she's a he, a very unconvincing he, and is
00:41:34.660starring in a major role in the new version of The Odyssey, which is very woke and absurd,
00:41:40.240and also has just put out some, she's voicing a film called Second Nature, which is a nature film
00:41:47.320directed by queer filmmaker Drew Denny and narrated by Paige about how animals are also gay.
00:41:55.340It explores same-sex relationships in the animal world, and she is making a publicity tour for these two movies and giving us some barn burners of some soundbites.
00:42:11.080Let me start with number nine. Let's start with number nine.
00:42:15.020In terms of looking at nature as if it's some sort of heteropatriarchal structure is absurd and that this, you know, gender binary that we've created is nothing but a quaint little myth.
00:42:29.440And I think her work and this documentary really, really shows that what we have been taught in school in regards to these structures, men being superior, women being inferior, submissive or what have you, it being this heterosexual existence is just completely false.
00:42:54.460looking at nature as some cis hetero patriarchal structure is absurd michael you are absurd i i
00:43:03.780feel you do this i've said it for years that you know we got to look past the cis hetero
00:43:08.820patriarchy of nature what's so stunning to me about what she says is she's she's burning down
00:43:16.480a straw man she says you know the stuff we're all taught in school about how men are superior to
00:43:20.860women. What are you talking about? We're not. What we're taught, what we are taught in school
00:43:24.720now is that women are superior to men and men are toxic. But even if you go back to the bad
00:43:28.940olden days of the 1950s or something, we weren't even taught that then. We were taught that men
00:43:34.240and women are complementary, that we're distinct and we cooperate together and we have to, but0.98
00:43:39.440women are better at some things. Women are better at being women, for instance, and men are better
00:43:43.180at being men. And when men try to be women or women try to be men like Ellen Page, it's not
00:43:47.840convincing at all. Ellen Page is an actress, and actresses are universally 100% crazy since the0.91
00:43:55.200dawn of time. So the fact that this woman has an obviously severe mental illness, nothing about0.97
00:43:59.980that is surprising. I guess what's really sad is that it used to be that actors and actresses
00:44:07.380would harness their innate insanity into the imaginative world of the work of art. And now
00:44:14.940it's bled out and they they're treating the entire uh world as their canvas as as their
00:44:21.140kind of performance and it's not not persuasive at all and it really might destroy christopher
00:44:27.000nolan's odyssey i it was unclear who she's going to play initially one second before before we get
00:44:31.660to the odyssey i just want to say one of the things about like that so this business about
00:44:35.100the the lgbtq animal world the truth is literally no one on earth has given that any thought
00:44:41.040whatsoever. No one is walking around like, are animals gay? Are they queer? Are those two lesbo0.92
00:44:48.940kangaroos? It's not a thing. Only people who look like Ellen Page and are so unconvincingly trying1.00
00:44:58.080to convince us they're the opposite sex are thinking about such a thing. So now there's0.99
00:45:03.300been a lot of negative reaction to this woman having a role in the Odyssey as some sort of,
00:45:09.720strong male figure. There was a report that she was meant to play Achilles. That apparently is
00:45:16.560not true. She's playing some other character who I guess isn't even in the Odyssey, but is in some
00:45:21.680other ancient story and has been written in. And in the context of, I think, promoting that,
00:45:29.300she went on something called Democracy Now!, gave an interview with them on June 24th and said the
00:45:36.120following about people who don't like trans people. All right. It's all about the fact that
00:45:41.980she's trans, not that she's a woman and not convincingly chosen to play a strong male
00:45:48.520ancient figure. Here we go. And what do you say to young people who feel the way you do?
00:45:55.260And just to know like that you're, you know, not alone and loved and celebrated by so many and try and block out the noise from, you know, absolute vile losers who must just be so profoundly uncomfortable with themselves.
00:46:18.480They can't handle that someone could get to a place that I think, you know, that, you know, trans people do get to, which is a level of self-acceptance and understanding that I think is really beautiful and profound.
00:46:37.280So it is the critics of this transgender ideology who are profoundly uncomfortable with themselves, Michael.
00:46:45.600the lady doth protest too much me thinks is that i think that's a is that from a play i think that's
00:46:50.600from a play uh it's it's really sad watching and listening to her in this state of mania because
00:46:58.160she doesn't look healthy she doesn't sound healthy and and she doesn't look happy you know this this
00:47:03.220is the real problem not at all so you look at old pictures of her when she was a lady and she still
00:47:08.560is a lady but you know back when she was openly so and she looks happier you know and now she she
00:47:13.520never looks happy. Yeah, she's pretty, pretty girl. And I'm sure she's experienced all sorts0.99
00:47:17.320of trauma and psychological distress and all the rest. It's probably led her to this. But notice
00:47:23.200she has to immediately project and say, no, no, it's the people who criticize transgenderism,
00:47:29.060they're the ones who are deeply uncomfortable. And I'm slightly uncomfortable because I ate a
00:47:33.640lot of hoagies over my weekend. And so my pants are a little tighter now. But in terms of my
00:47:38.640identity as a human being, I'm not uncomfortable. And normal people are not uncomfortable. That's
00:47:43.880the defining feature of having a normal view of identity. And it either doesn't occur to them or
00:47:49.980they don't want to admit that some of the criticism of transgenderism, in fact, a lot of it,
00:47:55.520comes from a place of charity. Because we all know that you're not doing well. We all look at
00:48:00.880the statistics. We all know that the rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide do not decrease
00:48:05.700after the transition in the case of anxiety it looks like they actually increase we we have eyes
00:48:10.460we have ears yeah let me show you one other this is her in 2019 talking about jesse smollett tell
00:48:17.140me if this is we have a media that's saying it's a debate whether or not what just happened to
00:48:21.560jesse smollett is a hate crime it's absurd this isn't a debate i agree i agree in terms of
00:48:31.320connecting the dots in terms of what happened the other day to jesse i don't know him personally i
00:48:35.320all of my love. Connect the dots. This is what happens. If you are in a position of power and
00:48:46.040you hate people and you want to cause suffering to them, you go through the trouble, you spend
00:48:52.700your career trying to cause suffering. What do you think is going to happen? Kids are going to
00:48:59.880be abused and they're going to kill themselves and people are going to be beaten on the street.
00:49:05.320i have traveled the world and i have met the most marginalized people you could meet
00:49:12.420i am lucky to have this time and the privilege to say this0.82
00:49:17.600okay except he was a race hoaxer and she's one of those sick young women who takes on other0.98
00:49:24.040people's problems literally as her own and is completely distressed over something she's seen0.99
00:49:30.040in the news, which was obvious bullshit, and somehow at some point thereafter convinced0.99
00:49:35.700herself that cutting off her breasts would make things better. And clearly, Michael, it did not.1.00
00:49:41.220Well, hold on, Megan, you're telling me that the lady who thinks that she's a man0.96
00:49:45.320has a skewed perception of reality? When she's connecting the dots, she's connecting them to0.96
00:49:50.620places that don't really exist? Yeah, of course. What's also sad when you listen to that kind of
00:49:56.820commentary, is she accuses the other side of hating people. And that isn't real. I mean,
00:50:02.520obviously, some people, it's a fallen world. People say nasty stuff. But the left hates the
00:50:07.260right much more than the right hates the left. And this is borne out by social scientific data.
00:50:11.420This goes back to the death of Lindsey Graham. And we especially saw this after a radical leftist
00:50:16.200murdered Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of the mainstream left dismissed it and in some cases
00:50:22.120celebrated it. And so they're, they're projecting it onto the other side. And if I were them,
00:50:26.300if I were these people who are, who really are angry all the time, who really are consumed by
00:50:30.060a lot of hatred, who would celebrate the murder of innocent people on the other side, just for
00:50:33.500their politics or what have you, if I were them, rather than looking at the other side of basically
00:50:38.600well-adjusted conservatives, rather than looking at it with envy and hatred and all the rest,
00:50:43.160couldn't you just look at it and say, Hey, maybe I should be like that. Maybe I should learn
00:50:47.200something from them because they seem better adjusted than I do. Look at it as inspo. All
00:50:53.040right, we'll have to table the Supergirl discussion for another day because we got carried away on
00:50:56.520Mitch McConnell, of all things. Michael, thank you. Coming up, we'll have Jack Posobiec and
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00:53:17.660Last week, we watched Tyler Robinson sit in a court for a preliminary hearing and we brought you every second that was live streamed on our YouTube channel.
00:53:25.780But we, the media and the public, did not see everything that those inside that courtroom did.
00:53:31.220Joining us now to detail a key piece of evidence that was shown only to those in the courtroom
00:53:36.260after the day had basically ended on Friday, after we had signed off, is our friend Jack
00:53:52.420So tell us what you saw in court on Friday afternoon.
00:53:56.180Hey, Megan, thanks again for having me back.
00:53:57.760And so, as I understand it, the live stream basically cut out for everybody who was watching, but for us, there was no stream, it just kept going.
00:54:08.600And so this was the compilation video that had been played before, but the exhibit that they played before was the raw video only.
00:54:19.780So that compilation of Tyler Robinson walking around the stairwell, once in his red shirt and shorts, once in his black, his second costume, sort of his assassins get up, his sniper get up, whatever you call it, where he's black, that's the one where he's walking with the limb.
00:54:37.120And the biggest difference here is that in the raw version of this, it was not zoomed in when it got to that sort of wide angle shot of the parking lot.
00:54:49.380And there's two angles of that. There's one that really shows the walkway across to the Lossi Center. And the other one sort of just shows the parking lot and the cars and the other side of the roof.
00:55:02.180And later on, we've all seen that video because it was released earlier where he's running across, he drops down, he's got the gun, and then he runs across the, there's like a lawn and a hill there and he runs basically across the street.
00:55:16.720what we saw in course this is the video of him just running across the rooftop so essentially
00:55:25.700what we saw was actually this angle but a few minutes prior to this so this is the same angle
00:55:33.000this is what you see although the quality here is not as good as what we saw in court and that's why
00:55:39.280i keep pressing for all of these videos to make public because again we what they showed on that
00:55:45.240screen in court is so much clearer both on the stairwell videos and the rooftop videos even on
00:55:50.520the i guess it's a digital zoom in um it's so much clearer and i just i have to explain that
00:55:56.380to everybody over and over that's why the the raws need to be put out even even the video you're
00:56:01.080showing right now this because i know it come it came off of a screen and it was recorded off
00:56:05.400another screen and etc etc so there's just that loss of quality from all the details that you can
00:56:11.700see in uh in the video that it's played when it's being played on its raw version without all the
00:56:17.140compression there for the listeners we're watching the stiff-legged tyler robinson walk into the
00:56:23.480complex with what appears to be the gun down his pants but keep going jack of course and so the the
00:56:29.640really big thing that you see when it's zoomed in uh when so at first you you can clearly tell
00:56:35.400that it is a black clad individual. The timestamps line up to exactly when he gets to the top
00:56:42.380of the stairwell, that individual. And if you go back to the first officer's testimony on the very
00:56:50.480first day, he walks you through exactly what you see on the video. But the difference is now you're
00:56:56.240watching it for yourself when it's zoomed in. And it shows him come up to that guardrail,
00:57:03.440that student guard rail that was already there he climbs over it then he goes down into kind of a
00:57:12.440crouch and at that point I started actually timing it because that's when we're told that he was
00:57:19.540assembling the rifle and so I start timing it you know thousand one thousand two thousand three
00:57:24.220cuts to a different angle so I'm not sure if that kept the time or not but when it cut to that
00:57:30.120different angle what you see is that he gets up he runs across the roof he gets down in a prone
00:57:38.260position and again you look at the time stamp and you can see exactly what he's doing in that prone
00:57:45.240position you see the barrel of the rifle go out and I'm sitting there just saying you know
00:58:22.060of course that's already been released and and i i just have to say that sitting there in the
00:58:26.340courtroom watching the moment the shot is fired with charlie's wife with charlie's mom his dad
00:58:35.220sitting right there it was a moment that made me very angry i was i was very upset watching that
00:58:42.280because it's it was like watching charlie get killed all over again but now you're seeing the
00:58:49.920other side of it and realizing that the individual who all the evidence points to DNA, everything
00:59:00.600is sitting right there, right in the room. And he looked away. Tyler Robinson looked away when
00:59:08.220this was played. And I checked with some other people in the courtroom to verify this, but his
00:59:12.920table monitor, they have table monitors as well. His table monitor was turned off
00:59:17.680when this was played he didn't even watch couldn't bear to see himself do it but was
00:59:24.920full of bravado in the moment and in the days and hours thereafter as we see in those text messages
00:59:30.540you know guess grandpa's rifle were just fine that scope was only two thousand dollars he was
00:59:37.600yeah he did his job not feeling uh the same but what what was it about when you saw him go down
00:59:47.360so he was he crouched to we assume to assemble the weapon and then did you see him go on his
00:59:53.160stomach in a in a prone position yeah and then and then also did you like what about what happened
00:59:59.780next told you he fired a shot um so you see him run across it gets down in the crouch and he is
01:00:07.300he's prone for quite some time um you know obviously watching it's very emotional to me
01:00:15.100it felt like he was down for minutes, but I think it was probably less than that if you actually
01:00:21.500look at the clock, but the experience felt like it lasted hours to me just watching it. But
01:00:26.800I would say I've described it as like a flinch. It's not as much recoil as you would see. So when
01:00:35.060you're in the prone position, it's done to maximize accuracy and to minimize recoil. That's
01:00:42.020the entire point of the prone position uh when you're firing and so it seems as though there's
01:00:47.660a a flinch from the barrel and you know sort of through the body and and it's after that point
01:00:55.200which occurs again right at that same time stamp and it's right after that that he gets up and runs
01:01:00.840across wow i mean would you liken it to what we saw on the judge when he watched the the moment
01:01:11.120that charlie was killed and i i believe he was watching charlie you know you saw that tape or
01:01:16.140you might have been in the courtroom in that moment where the judge you know the shot hits and he
01:01:20.800flinches it's um i i would and just for me i i just remember kind of gripping the chair as hard
01:01:31.440as i could and just clenching my jaw and you know i had my rosary in my hand a lot of people had
01:01:40.900rosaries out a number of people turned away um it was it was very hard that this is on tape
01:01:49.060i'm shocked to hear it i'm shocked to hear there is tape of him actually taking the shot and i know
01:01:54.260people who don't think he did it will say well of somebody whatever i mean i'm with you the
01:01:58.760evidence is overwhelming that somebody was tyler robinson they've got time stamps they've got him
01:02:02.980identified by his boyfriend as being the man in the video especially in the dark outfit and so on
01:02:08.260we've got video of what we know was was tyler robinson in tyler robinson's car arriving earlier
01:02:13.180that it's just his dna is on the rifle all over the rifle actually all over the ammo i mean it's
01:02:18.780just it's overwhelming so um but i am surprised to hear that there is a videotape of him actually
01:02:27.440taking the shot because in all the videos that had been released we had never seen that or still
01:02:32.040shots we've we had never seen that that's that's the most relevant salient video of all it really
01:02:38.860is and and i i struggle to think of you know you think of the great um you know like the the famous
01:02:45.300assassinations of the past or you know go back to like world war one and and uh you know france
01:02:51.080ferdinand or you know even even uh you know obviously jfk and martin luther king you know
01:02:57.600we never actually have photos of the individual at least you know as far as i know in a video of
01:03:03.680the video no i don't think so either shot being taken i'm trying to think if there's even one
01:03:08.400where you have something like that and it was it was so much worse than watching a movie and i think
01:03:14.020that for people who think that you know watching oh you know i've seen something like that in a
01:03:17.760movie or like a mark walbert movie or something it's like no this is this is a million times worse
01:03:22.340this is this because you know it's real and because you know what happened to a human being
01:03:26.740And because of the amount of planning and the amount of premeditation that went into this is a struggle to even think of how to define it as other than watching an act of pure, unmitigated evil, but you're just watching a purely evil act in taking place before your eyes.
01:03:47.460and it was captured on video just and you by the way had no idea if anyone else was standing behind
01:03:53.240charlie or behind that you can't see behind that banner so i mean you know if you missed people
01:03:58.920were obviously all around children were all around had no idea if anyone was behind the banner
01:04:02.560and he just did it anyway and he he chose to do something like that and it's
01:04:09.000it's it's it's truly evil it's just truly evil to see
01:04:13.820what do you make of the very strange reaction to your reporting because you came out on friday
01:04:20.600you and i were texting you posted online and you gave an interview to charlie's old colleagues at
01:04:26.240turning point andrew and blake and immediately we had like backlash it was strange jack like
01:04:34.340backlash to your reporting there is a podcaster named brandy sis the siciliani who posted the
01:04:43.000following on X. I was in the courtroom today. There is no high quality zoomed in footage
01:04:47.680showing anyone taking a shot. The video shown is the same distance as the footage of quote Tyler,
01:04:54.980his name is in quotes, jumping off the roof shown in this screenshot. I have no idea why people are
01:05:00.920claiming otherwise. They know the video isn't going to be released publicly. So they're
01:05:05.640misrepresenting what was actually shown in court. And then she takes aim at Benny, who was also
01:05:11.280there, Benny Johnson. Benny is making it seem like there's a 4K quality video of Tyler pulling
01:05:16.180the trigger. And we all know that is absolutely not true. So what did you make of her and some
01:05:23.920others taking issue with your testimonial? Well, what's amazing is the fact that we have
01:05:29.980this video at all. And if people are going to split hairs over whether or not we can actually
01:05:34.660see a finger in the trigger well and pulling the trigger, I mean, you've completely lost the plot
01:05:41.080at this point, if that's the level you're going to. The idea that we have this video, that it
01:05:47.400exists, that is one of the most stunning moments, one of the most impactful moments in modern
01:05:54.140history, the murder of Charlie Kirk, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the fact
01:05:58.400that this video exists at all is something that should give us all pause. I mean, it speaks to,
01:06:04.700it is a video that, number one, should be released, and I don't know why they're saying
01:06:09.280it shouldn't be released or that I think it won't be released. I've been calling for it to be
01:06:12.380released since day one. But this is a video that will be played throughout the decades,
01:06:19.520throughout the centuries, because of how impactful and how historic it is. It's just a piece
01:06:24.520of history. And for the record, we've been fighting. I didn't want it to be released by
01:06:30.780this. I've been fighting and saying that all of the evidence and all of the live stream should be
01:06:36.220out publicly and i and i think that ultimately you know if people can see it for themselves
01:06:41.240they can go and watch it and you know do i wish the quality were better i mean of course i wish
01:06:46.620all videos quality were better but again i mean that's that's you know you're asking for something
01:06:51.200that's surveillance video right the point is that it's surveillance video we're lucky it exists at
01:06:56.820all right anything and some people who refuse to believe that tyler robinson did this have been
01:07:01.600saying for quite some time oh but there's no video of the actual shooting oh it's so convenient how
01:07:05.580they only have him running across the roof. And then we actually find out there is video of the
01:07:11.280actual moment the shooter drops down and pulls the trigger and still they won't accept it. I mean,
01:07:16.500it's just, we're never going to get through to them. I don't even really care about them,
01:07:20.880to be honest. I just think, and I want to know your opinion as somebody who sat in that courtroom
01:07:25.900all week. To me, the evidence is overwhelming. We never have this much evidence. To me, it's so
01:07:31.420it's so overwhelming it shows that tyler robinson did not care at all about getting caught he did
01:07:38.760next to nothing to cover his tracks well i mean it it's it beggars belief that he thought he would
01:07:46.640do this again with his own cell phone with his own car with uh shoes that he's known to wear with a
01:07:53.620you know hat that he commonly wears these hurley hats that are readily identifiable i mean you'd
01:07:58.100think that anyone who, you know, even to have a basic, you know, look at criminal justice
01:08:04.340procedures or, you know, watch movies or listen to some true crime podcasts, you might have heard
01:08:08.140a few things. I think, and again, it's just my speculation, but I think that there was an element
01:08:12.960of wanting the glory. I think there was an element of trying to impress Twiggs, the boyfriend here.
01:08:20.020I think there were a lot of these elements that went into it, to your point, that it was completely
01:08:23.840premeditated and that uh he was perhaps looking for recognition and renown um again i i you know
01:08:32.200i've sat there i haven't said a word to him directly but you look at these things and it
01:08:36.600just you know you ask yourself why would he do something that you think in 2026 that everybody
01:08:41.520knows that they're going to check the car they're going to check your phone they're going to check
01:08:45.360all of these things and you know as far as that video look no one's going to tell me i didn't see
01:08:51.000what I saw. And quite frankly, I wish I hadn't seen it. And I wish that none of this had happened
01:08:55.720because I hate all of this, but it did happen. And unfortunately we are left to do the best we can
01:09:02.780to pick up the pieces and continue to fight. Jack, you're one of the few people, Erica,
01:09:08.820Charlie's parents, Don Jr. Among them, Benny, who both was in the presence regularly of Charlie Kirk
01:09:16.760and the man he was and now this week this past week was in the presence of the man who killed
01:09:22.620him allegedly and i wonder as you see this pathetic being sitting there at defense council table0.84
01:09:30.540what what he looks like to you what aura he has what vibe he gives off like0.88
01:09:36.220what you feel when you look at him um interestingly enough it's it's almost like there's no
01:09:43.160aura uh when you ask about that it's it's it's almost like a like a negative aura like a
01:09:48.840like a black hole just like a black hole of hollowness emptiness like like there's nothing
01:09:58.220there and you know to to not react when you see some of these videos or hear some of the audio
01:10:07.100that's been played because they did play the audio of charlie being killed in and the shot
01:10:11.820ringing out in the courtroom at full volume even if they didn't show the video and i'm sure he's
01:10:16.380seen the video that i just i don't know how you don't react to something like that and you know
01:10:22.680refusing to acknowledge the presence of his parents when they showed up who have been completely
01:10:28.820sewn faced and and as far as i can tell uh you know keeping to themselves um they seem like good
01:10:34.420people and but but tyler as well it as far as i feel about it it's um i just i can't believe
01:10:47.300that he's sitting there and charlie's not that he's sitting there yeah on the first day it was
01:10:51.460laughing in front of us and that charlie's gone and that charlie's never going to come back and
01:10:58.500And that, you know, I'll just put it this way, Megan.
01:11:02.740When they played that video, initially speaking, I was not in a good place.
01:11:09.760What was the reaction inside the courtroom of Erica and Charlie's parents?
01:13:15.100And, of course, you know, it's, you know, rationally, obviously, I know what happens.
01:13:20.860But it's that, you know, that part of me that wanted this to never happen just sort of took over.
01:13:29.720And I'm finding myself trying to, like, will him to trip or have one of these other students just brush up against him.
01:13:37.040So maybe the, you know, maybe the gun falls out and history takes a different path.
01:13:45.060I wonder, I've often wondered what these other students who we see in that surveillance tape think when they see themselves passing by Charlie's killer alleged on the stairwell moments before, as the tape says, it's exactly 30 minutes before.
01:13:59.660I'm sure it's so chilling for them and their parents that they could have.
01:14:04.180as you point out this is one of the reasons why it's a death penalty case is that all their lives
01:14:08.420were in danger that day he could have missed he he what if he had missed on the first shot there
01:14:12.820would have been more shots that it was such a crowded field he had absolutely no compunctions
01:14:17.720about the children who were there i mean little kids who were there with their parents as well
01:14:21.720as college students um he had only one thing in mind and it appears to have been his trans
01:14:27.460furry lover who is a lot sicker than that videotape he put into evidence would reveal0.65
01:14:33.840That's one of the topics for the second half of our show today.
01:25:26.740Well, Megan, first of all, it's good to be back with you again.
01:25:29.560Always, of course, on some kind of a sad topic here.
01:25:33.280But it's really a toxic influence of a lot of things.
01:25:38.320And I'm looking between, I don't even like using their names, but the shooter and his lover, Lance, this toxic combination of substance abuse, of gaming, and no doubt pot smoking, tie that in with substance abuse, alcoholism.
01:25:56.100and these game room, these chat rooms associated with the gaming
01:26:03.920as well as other, no doubt, very negative-oriented chat rooms
01:26:09.720that it just creates a perfect storm over this.
01:26:13.380I used this term before, lost generation.
01:28:37.880And he also says at the top, I left the house this morning on a mission
01:28:42.760and said in auto text, I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence.
01:28:49.080He may lack the words to prove his love for Lance, but he went out and did something that
01:28:56.060afternoon to try to prove it, which of course was the murder of Charlie Kirk. I was surprised by the
01:29:02.920kind of almost casual stream of consciousness utilized in these text messages. Sometimes you
01:29:09.140see them much more emotionality involved or anger or vitriol of some sort. But these were not quite
01:29:15.300contemporaneous to the shooting itself, but I think within 12 or certainly 24 hours of the
01:29:21.160shooting. And barely, he is, IRL, as the young say in real life, is unchartered territory for the
01:29:31.620shooter. He didn't comprehend, he clearly didn't comprehend the long-term scope of his actions
01:29:40.320and what he was about to undertake. He thought about it short term, certainly the pre-offense
01:29:45.020behavior is suggestive of that and everything he put into it, getting grandpa's gun and engraving
01:29:51.280the cartridges, whatever. But he didn't think of the long-term part, as you were saying with your
01:29:57.320earlier guests, with his phone and his car and knowing that there'd be surveillance video around.
01:30:01.620and wearing clothes that everyone will recognize him in. But the casualness and just the way that
01:30:11.460he came across to his lover, Lance, is almost like, hey, this is no big deal. I've done it for
01:30:16.540you. Let's do burgers tonight for dinner would almost be like a fitting ending phrase or clause
01:30:24.080to these text messages. Yeah, like I was saying to Jack, he says, judging from today, I'd say
01:30:29.400grandpa's gun does just fine. I don't know. I, IDK. I think that was a $2,000 scope.
01:30:38.020So irrelevant to what had just happened. So a meaningless to what had just happened. I mean,
01:30:43.980we get the context it's put in and he's probably not lying there. It was probably a decent scope
01:30:49.460and the rifle unfortunately did its job. But the point is to have that kind of a conversation with
01:30:55.220someone who's your lover, someone you spend some time with. But it was a symbiotic relationship in
01:31:00.920which it seems both of their strongest negative aspects to their lives just fed off of each other.
01:31:08.720And it seems like towards the last few months from everything I've read about them and heard
01:31:12.600about these two, they were kind of isolated, not so much dealing with other people. Not that the
01:31:17.620other people they were dealing with on these chat rooms were prize pigs to begin with in terms of0.89
01:31:22.180their ideology and what they were espousing, certainly in the trans movement and others.
01:31:28.360But it seems like they really isolated themselves in those last few months. And when you only have
01:31:34.220an echo chamber of one other person and your thought processes are negative and the same,
01:31:39.420violent, immoral, some people will react as the shooter did and will take out those types of
01:31:47.640actions. But it's just a combination, like I said, a toxic formula of everything that could
01:31:54.180have gone wrong in this generation. And I would like to look more into the parenting of both of
01:31:59.200these guys, but certainly our shooter, and see just what kind of permissiveness, just what kind
01:32:04.740of parental relationships he had. They were both the black sheep of the family, supposedly,
01:32:10.940meaning the shooter and, of course, Lance. By the way, I don't say shooter's names. I think
01:32:15.220you know that about me uh but uh killer's names but in this particular case you know they were
01:32:20.800the black sheep of their families and yeah what what what led to this downward progression but
01:32:26.000yet when they communicate with one another it seems almost normal it seems like a regular you
01:32:30.460know pick up milk on the way home you know from work something like that uh with these casual
01:32:35.160uh text message and of course the letter left left under the keyboard uh all pre-planned to
01:32:41.900to some degree the letter was and just one last conversation with i'm looking for like i'm looking
01:32:47.680james for like something more about what it tells you like if if you were looking for this shooter
01:32:53.140and you had these text messages but you didn't know who they were from you didn't have an identity
01:32:58.660and you're sitting at the fbi trying to come up with a profile of who is this guy
01:33:03.200he sounds you kind of said this a second ago kind of dead inside jack pasoba just told us there is
01:33:10.040no aura around him in the courtroom. It's like a black hole. Like, what would you glean from
01:33:15.780these texts? What would we be looking for? Would you be shocked when it turned out to be this guy?
01:33:21.100And that was what I normally had to do in my FBI career is look at anonymous text or emails or
01:33:26.440postings of some sort. You know, Tom Wolf coined the term social x-rays, describing a certain
01:33:31.700subclass, you know, in New York City. I would call a guy like this and maybe throw in Lance too,
01:33:37.020social vacuums. They are just dark, empty vessels of people. And yeah, they interact with each
01:33:46.420other. They have emotions for each other. But it seems the rest of the world, they're shut off to
01:33:53.240it, and they're shut off with any type of reality there. If I was looking at this from an anonymous
01:33:58.560perspective, I would say, well, this person is very matter-of-fact, and knowing that a shooting
01:34:04.980just occurred, and this is our likely suspect, even without a name, I'd say this person is very
01:34:09.940well, he has his emotions under control. He has little caring at all for the victims of this.
01:34:18.780And as you mentioned with your earlier guests, the possible other victims, including small
01:34:22.760children, if there were a few rounds that missed or went through and hit other people behind Charlie,0.59
01:34:28.280I would probably put this person somewhere on the psychopathy scale, meaning he's a psychopath.
01:34:33.580It goes from zero to 40. I'm not here to do a psych eval of them. I'm sure the defense team will do that. That'll be part of the defense somewhere they're going to add into that at some point. And he may be on there to some degree. He can cope with society, everyday stuff, going to work, doing his trade work, whatever that was.
01:34:53.300But when it comes to him getting this personal hung up feelings about what is offensive to him, as well as his lover, he just had to go on this mission. And this mission is what took over his entire life.
01:35:07.000It does make you wonder if he hadn't met Lance Twiggs, whether this event would have happened
01:35:14.540because I'm not excusing anything that was done here or giving him an out.
01:35:19.140I'm just saying, let's be real about the downward spiral that happened in the year or two years
01:35:24.640after he moved in with Twiggs in 2023.
01:35:30.900these two were in a very unhealthy relationship with that was characterized by excessive drinking
01:35:37.700at least on twigs's part the the report that we got from this guy who goes by turkey tom on youtube
01:35:42.800who was contacted by someone saying that they had been an intimate friend of theirs and provided
01:35:47.080pictures of what he says was inside the apartment was that it was near alcoholic levels of drinking
01:35:52.800on the part of twigs who was taking off a black market hrt hormone replacement therapy for women0.52
01:35:59.180those are women's drugs trying to grow breasts doing weird experiments inside of the apartment
01:36:04.500with mold this is um directly from so you got again he goes by turkey tom from his report let's
01:36:11.040take a listen to a little bit more of what he said about what was the conditions what were the
01:36:15.580conditions inside the apartment i had another magic night at the end of january i'd get to
01:36:20.360lance and tyler's place and he'd be super wide-eyed with either a loopy grin or a rictus grin like the
01:36:26.180joker depending on his mood. The nest came back full force and Lance started living downstairs
01:36:31.060full time again. This is a picture of a kind of cleaned up version. Imagine this type of mess,
01:36:36.040but denser and all over the living room and kitchen counters. He'd either be doing this
01:36:40.400or his experiments or talking with chat GPT day in and day out. He hardly ever slept. The
01:36:46.920experiments got scarier too, like jugs of water with a whisk full of aluminum foil that had two
01:36:52.240copper wires coming out of them. The water was clear one day, and at some point, I think the
01:36:56.860wires got plugged into the outlet because the water turned brown and the aluminum foil was
01:37:01.220pretty burnt. He also started leaving little papers around the house that he had scribbled
01:37:05.180on while doing that giggling thing. It's at this point that our leaker here sent an extensive set
01:37:10.140of pictures he'd taken of the state of the apartment and the notes Lance left around.
01:37:14.460First is an image of their magic table, completely vandalized with garbage that
01:37:18.640mostly resembles electrical stuff which is odd because tyler was the one in an electrical
01:37:23.220apprenticeship program not lance all i can think when i see that that's is how dark and almost
01:37:31.680demonic a place to live day after day yeah and i um these guys played the game uh dungeons and
01:37:40.860dragons and i first learned about that during the unabomb investigation because some people thought
01:37:45.940The Unabomber may be somehow involved in that, but carrying it out in real time in real world actions.
01:37:54.040And who knows if what took place in that apartment and with all these type of devices and experiments going on, which, of course, the Unabomber did, too, mostly outside of his cabin in the woods.
01:38:08.580So perhaps there's some similar mindsets here of these isolated people, even if it's just two of them and a few guests every once in a while, but their brain just gets addled, again, from this toxic formula I talked about earlier, and they just feel the need to do all these types of bizarre, incoherent type of activities.0.61
01:38:29.080And they only work to worsen the other person with whom they're associating and bring up the fact that Charlie Kirk's coming to town and allegedly what he would say that violated the trans community and their belief systems.
01:38:43.360And all of a sudden, all these experiments, just like with the Unabomber, having read all his internal documents we found in the cabin, just got him more angry and angry about where society was going.
01:38:53.260In this case, we don't see too much of a difference there with these two.
01:38:57.720But it was very, very focused in one particular area.
01:39:00.720Get the gun from Grandpa and then go on this mission.
01:39:20.040You know, I've worked many investigations besides Unabomb, but that taught me so much and the law enforcement community.
01:39:31.580One of the few books cited by the Unabomber in the manifesto was The True Believer by Eric Hoffer.
01:39:37.320And he does go and explain the kind of these kind of movements that people get involved in and the kind of people that join these movements and for what reason.
01:39:47.240And I'm not going to say you don't have to read these books or read, you know, True Believer to understand this.
01:39:53.200But it seems there's something in human nature with disassociated, dissatisfied people, insecure people that they turn into this fanatic.
01:40:01.180And it can be very sort of pencil thin and into one particular category of life.
01:40:05.600And they're living through personal insecurities and dissatisfaction.
01:40:09.740They're craving some sort of need for an enemy.