The Megyn Kelly Show - Mace's Quest to Protect Women's Spaces, and RFK vs. Corporate Media and the Swamp, with Casey Means and Vinay Prasad ｜ Ep. 949

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.120 As President-elect Donald Trump's cabinet takes shape, we are expecting a brutal confirmation process for a few of the nominees.

00:00:22.600 What else would you expect, right?

00:00:24.040 And while we've spent a lot of time discussing the controversies around Pete Hegseth and Matt Gaetz, we wanted to take a deep dive into the man listeners of this show know well as RFKJ.

00:00:35.780 He's been tasked with leading the Make America Healthy Again, or MAHA, movement right on as the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

00:00:44.000 And the D.C. establishment is having a full-on meltdown over it.

00:00:47.080 But I'll tell you right now, he's going to get through.

00:00:49.760 I'm going to win.

00:00:51.500 He's going to get through.

00:00:52.840 I was persuaded by what Dan was saying yesterday, Dan and Mark, about how there are too many Democrats.

00:01:00.520 They're like hippie-type Democrats in California and Vermont who are really behind the MAHA movement.

00:01:08.380 And like RFKJ, who, let's face it, is a Democrat.

00:01:12.080 And good luck stopping him.

00:01:14.540 Even if a couple of Republicans peel off because he's pro-choice, I think he's going to get through.

00:01:21.220 But not without a fight.

00:01:22.980 So today we're going to separate fact from fiction when it comes to him with Casey Means.

00:01:27.080 Dr. Casey Means is back with us.

00:01:29.720 And she and her brother, Callie Means, we understand, are two of RFKJ's favorites and could potentially become advisors.

00:01:36.820 I'll ask her.

00:01:37.640 And also Dr. Vinay Prasad, who was one of the only people speaking since during the COVID pandemic.

00:01:43.040 So that's a good team to get into this with.

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00:03:12.220 First, we want to dive into a major controversy now swirling in our nation's capital.

00:03:18.600 Welcome to our party, people.

00:03:20.580 They're finally starting to realize that men are trying to invade women's spaces because they put dresses on and pose as women. 0.90

00:03:28.440 And we're supposed to feel really sorry for them when the answer is no.

00:03:32.340 Well, I don't.

00:03:33.740 And you shouldn't either.

00:03:34.640 Earlier this week, Congresswoman Nancy Mace introduced a bill that would keep biological men out of women's restrooms on Capitol Hill. 0.97

00:03:44.520 This comes as the first transgender. 0.95

00:03:47.760 Now, I'm not calling this person a congresswoman.

00:03:50.640 It's a man posing as a woman who just got elected to Congress.

00:03:55.820 It's a man wearing a woman's dress and trying to look like a woman. 0.68

00:03:59.820 And he wants us to call him she and her.

00:04:03.240 It's a no, sir.

00:04:04.940 This person is about to be sworn in and wants access to the bathroom Nancy Mace uses and that I would use if I were there visiting the people I know in Congress. 0.98

00:04:16.460 And I'm sorry, but there's a place for you, sir.

00:04:19.720 It's the men's bathroom.

00:04:21.940 Get out.

00:04:23.360 Get out of the women's bathroom and the women's spaces. 1.00

00:04:26.580 You want to do your thing and put on a costume that makes you look like me.

00:04:31.500 I don't love it.

00:04:32.520 I'm going to be honest.

00:04:33.360 I don't.

00:04:34.300 I'm not 100% with the live and let live crowd.

00:04:37.240 I'm really kind of not.

00:04:38.340 I'm kind of offended by it, to be perfectly honest.

00:04:41.260 But I can't do anything about it.

00:04:44.580 And that's life.

00:04:46.340 A lot of people do things that I find kind of irritating.

00:04:48.500 And I realize that this is in some large measure a sickness that, you know, they don't have full control over.

00:04:56.180 So, OK, I'm not going to bully them and I'm not going to be, you know, harass them when I see them.

00:05:01.560 But I don't buy in.

00:05:03.460 It's their delusion.

00:05:04.680 It's not mine.

00:05:05.500 I don't share it.

00:05:06.380 I don't have to pretend I share it.

00:05:08.260 My children will not be pretending.

00:05:10.540 They share it.

00:05:11.620 They will not be forced to say she, her when it's a man.

00:05:14.320 And God help any teacher who tries to make them.

00:05:19.400 So that's number one.

00:05:22.160 But number two, now this person is on Capitol Hill and apparently would like to use the women's bathroom. 1.00

00:05:28.780 And I'm sorry, the answer there is a no, because the women's bathroom is for women and you're not one. 1.00

00:05:35.280 And declaring yourself a trans woman, which means fake, fake woman, trans means fake. 0.95

00:05:39.700 If you substitute fake and you'll understand what everybody is saying. 0.82

00:05:43.000 So it doesn't change that.

00:05:46.180 Now, Nancy Mace introduces this resolution.

00:05:51.460 I want to get the wording right because she submitted this and then she's changed it since to say, OK, it doesn't have to be a doesn't have to be legislation.

00:06:01.580 But I want to at least a rule or it was a two page resolution to amend the rules of the U.S. House that would prohibit anyone from using the single sex facilities there that don't correspond to their biological sex.

00:06:18.260 You can't use gender identity. 0.98

00:06:20.640 Now it appears she's shifted a bit and said, I just want to see my proposal reflected in the House rules package for the 119th Congress that's going to get sworn in in January.

00:06:31.440 That makes more sense that that doesn't force everybody in Congress to vote on this thing.

00:06:37.720 And it just says to Speaker Johnson, could you please take care of this by making it a rule, which makes perfect sense and protects women that we don't have to fight over. 1.00

00:06:48.900 Just make it a rule.

00:06:49.480 This person, if he doesn't want to use the men's room, should use a gender neutral bathroom. 0.80

00:06:56.540 And if there isn't a gender neutral bathroom, well, they should get one built before this person arrives. 1.00

00:07:02.320 It's only November 20th.

00:07:04.240 We've got plenty of time.

00:07:05.540 You have plenty of taxpayer dollars to build a bathroom.

00:07:08.680 It can't cost more than 30 grand.

00:07:10.800 I mean, I could find you a contractor who will go and build you a bathroom, a stall that you can call gender neutral before January 6th, and this person can use it.

00:07:23.520 Don't tell me you don't have it or you can't find the money for it.

00:07:27.640 I'll donate it to you. 1.00

00:07:28.580 You want 30 grand to build a fucking gender neutral bathroom? 1.00

00:07:31.700 I'll give it to you to keep this man out of the women's space. 1.00

00:07:35.580 It is ridiculous that people like Nancy Mace and others have to fight for this.

00:07:41.520 This should have been handled long ago before this person even got to Congress.

00:07:44.520 It just should have been in the rules package.

00:07:46.100 I realize we weren't thinking about it, but you should have been.

00:07:49.260 Now's your chance.

00:07:50.860 Now it looks more provocative because you're doing it in response to one person who declares themselves a trans woman arriving.

00:07:57.720 So it looks targeted.

00:07:58.820 I don't care.

00:08:00.240 I don't care.

00:08:00.740 That's your problem.

00:08:01.440 You can deal with the upset that's caused some loons on the left on your own time.

00:08:06.840 But what needs to happen now is this man needs to be kept out of the women's space. 0.84

00:08:12.320 Period.

00:08:14.040 Here's what I'm realizing and following this controversy online.

00:08:17.900 This exploded on X.

00:08:20.820 Most of the people out there do not know all the facts that the people who listen to this show know.

00:08:25.040 I feel like you guys know this at the back of your hands at this point because you've been listening to the show, most of you, for a long time.

00:08:29.820 Forgive me to the audience members who are relatively new to the show.

00:08:33.260 But like most people do not have any idea what we've been talking about here for the past four years.

00:08:39.260 And so I've been tweeting some of these things out.

00:08:42.020 It's amazing to see people's response like, oh, wow.

00:08:44.500 Okay.

00:08:44.780 Yeah, that's a really interesting argument.

00:08:47.180 Like, yeah, right.

00:08:47.740 For example, that a very high percentage, Dr. Blanchard, who was a preeminent researcher on the trans community, puts it at over 90 percent.

00:09:02.380 So, irrespective of that finding, it is indisputably an alarmingly high percentage of so-called trans people, and here I am speaking of those who are men posing as females, that are, in fact, autogynophiles. 0.99

00:09:18.500 An autogynophile is a man who gets sexually aroused by dressing as a woman, picturing himself as a woman, looking at himself in the mirror and seeing someone who appears female. 0.78

00:09:31.880 He gets off on it. 0.99

00:09:33.760 He gets an erection thinking about it and doing it. 0.96

00:09:37.100 I don't want that next to me at work, in the airport, in a schoolroom, or anywhere. 0.95

00:09:45.400 And I certainly don't want it next to my daughter.

00:09:48.500 Nancy Mace, controversial though she is, has every right to say, I do not wish to share the bathroom with a man in a dress. 1.00

00:09:59.280 I don't want to share one with a man not in a dress, and I don't want to share one with a man in one. 0.99

00:10:04.440 And I certainly don't want to participate in any man's, I don't know what this particular person's story is, any man's sexual fetish or delusion.

00:10:16.240 I am there doing the people's business.

00:10:19.820 I have important work to do, and I wish not to be distracted by someone getting off on the fact that he's in my kind of clothing in the stall next to me.

00:10:31.980 You look at Leah Thomas' social media.

00:10:37.200 Go ahead and look at this.

00:10:38.960 The Daily Wire did an in-depth report on Leah Thomas, the swimmer at UPenn, who stole Riley Gaines' fifth-place medal and other first-place medals at the NCAA Championships a couple of years ago.

00:10:53.520 They reported that this belonged to Leah Thomas, formerly Will.

00:10:57.680 Leah slash Will has never come out to dispute it or challenge it.

00:11:02.560 We've reported their reporting on the show.

00:11:04.100 Same, never gotten any pushback.

00:11:05.920 Very open-minded to your denial, Leah Thomas, if this is in fact wrong.

00:11:09.840 But they did an in-depth report on his social media, and it is deeply disturbing. 0.82

00:11:15.540 It shows all sorts of autogynophile porn. 0.98

00:11:19.220 And I'm not going to give you the details, but it's a lot of little figures, you know, cartoon-esque figures in dresses appearing like women with erect penises and somebody doing something to them sexually or them doing something to somebody else sexually. 0.99

00:11:36.400 Like, this is the thing. 0.97

00:11:37.920 It is not this innocent, like, oh, I'm so sorry.

00:11:40.080 It's not like being gay, where you're born with it, you're not going to hurt anybody, you just have a different preference sexually than somebody else. 0.65

00:11:48.400 This is something that is a fetish that can be arousing in the most normal of circumstances in terms of your surroundings and that you work out by dressing up in a costume that looks female while you're around other females who have no idea that you're in the middle of some fetish.

00:12:12.560 Like, that's a high percentage.

00:12:14.500 Not all trans people, but a high percentage of them. 0.97

00:12:17.180 And what Blanchard said was the remainder are homosexuals. 0.95

00:12:23.000 They're gay, feminine boys who grow up to believe that, in fact, they're girls. 0.99

00:12:30.140 And then when they start dressing like a woman, they'll stay gay. 0.99

00:12:34.920 Look, there's a lot of research on this that people haven't seen because no one wants to talk about it.

00:12:38.940 But there's no doubt in my mind that Leo Thomas is an autogynophile and was parading around that locker room around Riley Gaines and her other teammates who were in, you know, masking tape like bathing suits because they were fierce competitors.

00:12:54.040 And the less bathing suit, the less bathing suit, the better to swim fast in his masking tape type bathing suit and was undoubtedly aroused by it.

00:13:05.920 So why do we have to subject girls to that? 0.99

00:13:09.960 Why?

00:13:10.740 I don't care whether you like Nancy Mace or not.

00:13:12.860 Why does she have to go through that just to use the bathroom on Capitol Hill? 1.00

00:13:17.180 Where are the men to support her and defend her and the other women? 0.98

00:13:23.480 Because it's not just Nancy Mace.

00:13:24.920 It's everyone.

00:13:26.060 It's all the women on Capitol Hill and all the staffers. 1.00

00:13:28.840 And I believe it goes beyond that because her resolution was to prohibit house employees from using single sex facilities other than those that correspond to their biological sex, saying that biological males should not be allowed into women's single sex facilities.

00:13:47.260 Then it says that it would ban transgender so-called women from women's restrooms at the U.S. Capitol, which suggests to me it goes beyond just the facilities used by members and their staff.

00:13:59.520 Either way, it must be done.

00:14:02.220 Build a gender neutral bathroom. 1.00

00:14:03.940 I am not trying to bully Sarah McBride, who was elected in shock, Vermont, uh, from what?

00:14:16.280 Oh, Delaware, equally shocking.

00:14:18.960 Um, I'm not trying to bully this particular person.

00:14:22.740 I have no wish to upset this particular person, but I have no wish to be upset by him either.

00:14:29.460 Sarah, Sarah, who was Tim 10 years ago, 12, whatever, um, your, your delusion is not my problem.

00:14:38.980 I don't have to participate in it.

00:14:40.600 I don't have to pretend that you are in fact a woman.

00:14:43.320 I don't, you know, I'm sorry you're going through this.

00:14:48.040 I don't think this should be celebrated when he declared that he was female.

00:14:53.580 He got congratulatory calls from people like Bo Biden in Delaware.

00:14:57.460 Like, congratulations, congratulations on what?

00:15:00.640 On suffering from something that's in the DSM-5 as a disorder, a mental disorder.

00:15:06.040 Like, congratulations on saying I'm going to lean into that.

00:15:09.380 I just, I, I have empathy for these folks.

00:15:13.520 It must be very, very difficult.

00:15:15.960 And as I've told you, I have trans people in my extended family.

00:15:21.100 Um, it must be very, very difficult.

00:15:23.240 And that's what I've been told that it is.

00:15:25.140 I get it.

00:15:26.300 It's just not my problem.

00:15:27.760 And I refuse to make it my problem.

00:15:29.640 And women across America are going to have to stand up, whether they like the Nancy Maces of the world or not, and say, I stand with you. 0.81

00:15:37.620 And the men are going to have to stand up and say, I will stand up for you.

00:15:42.240 Even though this isn't exactly my issue.

00:15:45.060 I mean, I like Speaker Mike Johnson.

00:15:47.720 Speaker Johnson, your bathroom is secure.

00:15:50.600 You don't have to worry about someone who is much larger than the average woman parading, or than the average man, parading in there, posing as a man.

00:16:01.780 But really, it turns out to be someone who could crush you with one blow of his fist, just because he wants to.

00:16:10.660 Somebody who doesn't belong in there.

00:16:12.600 Like, women are in a unique spot. 1.00

00:16:14.840 And here's what happens.

00:16:15.840 And we had this happen on our show.

00:16:18.820 Who was on?

00:16:19.740 It was Katie Herzog, who was saying, oh, would you want to make a male to female trans person who looks, let me reverse that, a female to male trans person who looks male.

00:16:37.480 So it's a woman pretending to be a man, but the woman's pulling it off. 1.00

00:16:41.980 And she raised a particular woman who does look very manly, who's bald, who's got big muscles, who's got lots of black tats all over her.

00:16:52.540 Would you make her use the women's bathroom? 1.00

00:16:55.620 And I said the truth, which is, look, on principle, yes, I would make her use the bathroom that corresponds with her biological sex. 0.99

00:17:02.300 But if this woman wants to go into the male bathroom and people are fooled into thinking that she is a he, I really, that there's nothing I can do about that. 0.84

00:17:11.540 And I'm not going to waste my time thinking about that.

00:17:13.820 But the other thing is, the problem doesn't go the other way.

00:17:17.820 That women are not exploiting these permissive laws, rules, and new mores to go into men's rooms and get off on the fact that they're in a men's room. 0.99

00:17:32.300 Or to go into a men's room and actually hurt a woman or a man who is in the men's room.

00:17:40.060 I get so confusing.

00:17:41.100 You get my point.

00:17:42.600 It all goes the other way.

00:17:44.960 It's the women who are endangered, who are getting hurt.

00:17:48.160 I tweeted this out.

00:17:49.180 Go check my X feed.

00:17:50.020 The number of women who have been hurt, attacked, or sexually assaulted by men who are either taking advantage of these rules or who are actually just exploiting them.

00:18:02.400 Look at this graphic.

00:18:03.980 This is a graphic of just some of those who have been accused and gotten in trouble for doing this.

00:18:11.280 For going, for example, into the women's restroom and getting caught taking a mirror and sliding it underneath the bathroom stall divider so he could get a glimpse of the next woman with her pants down or her skirt up doing her business.

00:18:29.260 That I don't want to have to worry about that.

00:18:33.580 Now, there's every chance that a regular man could just sneak into an airport bathroom.

00:18:39.560 You never know.

00:18:40.580 This is one of the freaky things about being a woman. 1.00

00:18:42.920 Guys, you may not know that we worry about this stuff sometimes.

00:18:45.480 You never know.

00:18:47.580 As someone's in there looking at you.

00:18:49.080 I mean, some guys get off on this.

00:18:50.360 But it is a very different story if we're allowing them in.

00:18:55.840 And all they have to say is, it's my gender identity.

00:18:59.240 I identify as a woman.

00:19:01.120 And while Sarah, formerly Tim, is doing his best to look the part of a woman, how does it stop those guys? 0.67

00:19:11.880 Put that graphic back up there.

00:19:13.380 If the rule is you can come into the bathroom based on your gender identity, how do we stop these guys from coming in? 0.99

00:19:18.900 In fact, let me show you some of the trans, so-called trans people online right now who are threatening Nancy Mace, 0.99

00:19:27.860 all of whom would be allowed into one of these women's restrooms at the U.S. Capitol if Speaker Johnson doesn't change the rule. 1.00

00:19:40.800 Take a look at this guy in Sot 3.

00:19:43.300 This video goes out to Congresswoman Nancy Mace. 1.00

00:19:48.760 Congresswoman Nancy Mace, I hope that one day I do find you in that women's bathroom and I grab your ratty-looking fucking hair 1.00

00:19:56.660 and drag your face down to the floor while I repeatedly bash it in until the blood's everywhere and you're dead. 1.00

00:20:06.380 Thank you. 1.00

00:20:08.380 Thank you.

00:20:09.080 I hope that Nancy Mace receives this message well.

00:20:15.260 Kisses.

00:20:15.820 Make no mistake, Speaker Johnson and every other member on Capitol Hill, you allow, quote, Sarah McBride in, you allow him in.

00:20:28.460 That's just the fact.

00:20:31.820 What will you say then?

00:20:33.860 What will you say when that guy, maybe it won't be Nancy Mace, maybe it'll be a civilian, maybe it'll be somebody like me,

00:20:39.760 who's just there to take my kids on a tour.

00:20:41.980 We have to go into the women's bathroom and that guy comes in. 1.00

00:20:45.180 You can't have it.

00:20:46.460 I'm sorry, but it must be stopped.

00:20:49.100 Sarah is not allowed in and neither is that guy.

00:20:52.220 And it's a very simple rule.

00:20:54.640 Women deserve to have their own private, safe and secure spaces. 1.00

00:20:58.800 Because we deserve not to be to have our risk of attack elevated as a result of a different rule that allows men in. 0.99

00:21:06.860 And we deserve to have our peace of mind just knowing that we're in female only spaces. 1.00

00:21:11.080 We don't have to approve attacks or a pattern of violence, though there is one.

00:21:16.500 We don't have to prove that is enough for us to say we don't want it.

00:21:21.880 We want female only spaces to remain female, period. 1.00

00:21:26.300 And if you get bullied into allowing men in, including this newly elected man from Delaware,

00:21:35.040 you are siding with men who suffer from a mental disorder over women who are simply asking for the privacy and security we've had for decades.

00:21:48.600 Understand what you're deciding.

00:21:50.360 And you, people who are in charge on Capitol Hill, males, congressmen and so on, are not going to have to deal with it.

00:21:59.380 I'll have to deal with it.

00:22:00.980 My kid will have to deal with it.

00:22:02.660 I mean, my daughter's in seventh grade.

00:22:07.240 They're going to Capitol Hill this year on a field trip.

00:22:11.520 They're girls. 1.00

00:22:12.900 They're 13-year-old girls.

00:22:14.460 Do you want that guy I just showed to be able to go into the girls' room when my daughter's in there?

00:22:25.680 When a group of 13-year-old girls is in there? 0.99

00:22:31.400 If my daughter shouldn't have to deal with it and I shouldn't have to deal with it, Nancy Mace should not have to deal with it either.

00:22:36.420 You've got people like AOC saying this is bullying. 0.64

00:22:42.620 It's not bullying to say, I don't wish to participate in your delusion or your sexual fetish. 0.86

00:22:52.260 I don't wish to participate in it.

00:22:54.180 It's fine for you to have it, but I don't have to pretend I believe in it or change my security, comfort, and safety situation for it.

00:23:02.980 That is just standing up for your own rights as a woman. 1.00

00:23:05.200 Nancy Mace is out there talking about this because she's gotten so much blowback from these loons on the Democrat left. 1.00

00:23:16.240 I'll give you a feel for what she's saying.

00:23:20.860 I think it's not one.

00:23:22.840 The radical left is calling me an extremist for being a feminist, fighting to protect the rights of women and girls.

00:23:29.300 If being a feminist makes me an extremist or a bigot or a monster, I am totally here for it because I'm going to fight like hell for every woman and every little girl across this country to protect you and keep you safe.

00:23:41.980 Good.

00:23:45.320 Good.

00:23:46.260 I support you fully in that endeavor.

00:23:49.100 Speaker Johnson was asked a bit about it.

00:23:53.100 Here's what he said.

00:23:54.220 Is this the first one?

00:23:58.000 I think he gave the original.

00:23:59.660 Yeah.

00:23:59.900 And then he tried to clean it up.

00:24:01.300 Six first.

00:24:02.960 Is freshman elect Sarah McBride a man or a woman?

00:24:07.720 Look, I'm not going to get into this.

00:24:10.180 We welcome all new members with open arms who are duly elected representatives of the people.

00:24:15.780 I believe it's a it's a command that we treat all persons with dignity and respect.

00:24:22.120 We will.

00:24:23.040 And I'm not going to engage in in silly debates about this.

00:24:26.440 There's a concern about uses of restroom facilities and locker rooms and all that.

00:24:30.420 This is an issue that Congress has never had to address before.

00:24:34.040 And we're going to do that in deliberate fashion with member consensus on it.

00:24:38.960 And we will accommodate the needs of every single person.

00:24:41.380 Okay, you should treat everyone with respect and you should accommodate their needs.

00:24:46.940 And that includes us.

00:24:48.100 That includes the women. 1.00

00:24:49.700 And that means men cannot come in. 0.58

00:24:51.680 Get your gender neutral bathroom. 1.00

00:24:55.680 He realized that the Republican Party is not going to have that kind of equivocation anymore

00:25:01.320 and came out and said this later.

00:25:04.580 Asked a question this morning at the leadership gaggle and I rejected the premise because the

00:25:08.720 answer is is so obvious.

00:25:11.380 For anybody who doesn't know my well-established record on on this issue, let me be unequivocally

00:25:16.120 clear.

00:25:16.940 A man is a man and a woman is a woman and a man cannot become a woman. 1.00

00:25:23.360 That said, I also believe that's what scripture teaches what I just said.

00:25:28.320 But I also believe that we treat everybody with dignity.

00:25:32.620 Right on.

00:25:33.860 That's great.

00:25:35.160 Perfect.

00:25:36.280 Handle it very well.

00:25:37.420 And that's what you should do.

00:25:38.400 So you should treat this person with dignity and make sure that there's a gender neutral

00:25:42.720 bathroom.

00:25:43.540 Make sure.

00:25:44.580 There are other congressmen, well, women mostly online trying to virtue signal right 1.00

00:25:50.360 now. 1.00

00:25:50.740 I'm so sick of these losers. 0.98

00:25:52.280 Here's representative Suzanne, S-U-Z-A-N, Del Bene, representing Washington's first congressional 0.98

00:26:01.160 district.

00:26:02.580 Wife, mom, grandma, dog mom.

00:26:06.600 She comes out and says, Nancy Mace was the first woman to graduate from the Citadel.

00:26:11.220 She knows full well the pain of gender discrimination and the impact of bigoted policies.

00:26:17.700 This is bullying and she should be ashamed.

00:26:20.100 The impact, the pain of gender discrimination, gender discrimination.

00:26:26.880 Segregated by sex bathrooms are not discriminatory, madam, which you should know as a member of Congress.

00:26:33.220 They are entirely constitutional and have been upheld.

00:26:35.960 There is absolutely nothing unconstitutional, illegal or inappropriate about keeping women's

00:26:43.160 bathrooms for women only. 0.94

00:26:45.580 Biological women. 1.00

00:26:47.100 There are no other kinds.

00:26:50.020 And the virtue signaling on the left.

00:26:52.960 Look, it already cost you a presidential election, cost you the Senate, led to you not

00:26:58.860 getting the House.

00:27:00.300 Go ahead.

00:27:01.540 Take on this issue at your peril.

00:27:02.720 Now, you may think you're on steady ground because now we're not talking about kids.

00:27:06.840 Now we're talking about grownups.

00:27:08.280 But you know what grownups we're talking about?

00:27:10.280 Women. 1.00

00:27:11.280 And we are sick of your shit. 1.00

00:27:14.080 I am not alone. 1.00

00:27:15.780 I know this is not just a women's issue. 0.99

00:27:17.560 I know my male viewers are with me on this, too.

00:27:20.040 Now's the time to speak up.

00:27:21.740 Now's the time.

00:27:23.240 If you were silent about it before, we just had a whole presidential election in which the

00:27:27.840 trans issue was the number one motivating issue for swing state voters.

00:27:34.620 Speak up.

00:27:36.520 Use your voice.

00:27:38.820 Drop a line into Speaker Mike Johnson, into your representative to say, no men in women's

00:27:46.760 spaces.

00:27:48.360 Not in their bathrooms.

00:27:49.580 Not in their locker rooms.

00:27:50.660 Not in their prisons.

00:27:51.560 Not in their sports.

00:27:52.780 Period.

00:27:53.300 Period.

00:27:54.380 There's nothing kind about forcing women to endanger themselves and make themselves 1.00

00:28:01.720 uncomfortable for the sake of somebody else.

00:28:04.440 This is what McBride himself tried to use to shame us.

00:28:09.780 Sarah, formerly Tim.

00:28:11.340 Oh, I dead named him.

00:28:13.140 He was Tim McBride for 20 years.

00:28:15.960 Then, as a senior at American University, suddenly declared himself a woman.

00:28:20.340 He never became a woman. 0.79

00:28:21.680 He became a man dressing as one. 0.66

00:28:24.020 He changed his name to Sarah, which I would call him if he were here.

00:28:28.260 But in order to make clear to you what we're dealing with here, what we're talking about,

00:28:32.620 I point out to you, he used to be Tim.

00:28:35.260 Now he's Sarah.

00:28:38.340 Sarah's posting on X was,

00:28:42.560 Every day Americans go to work with people who have life journeys different than their own

00:28:45.680 and engage with them respectfully.

00:28:47.000 I hope members of Congress can muster that same kindness.

00:28:52.180 This is what they do.

00:28:53.280 They use words like that to shame us into silence and away from a position that would protect

00:29:00.780 ourselves and our comfort.

00:29:04.000 There is nothing wrong with saying,

00:29:06.160 I am uncomfortable with you, Mr. McBride, coming into my bathroom.

00:29:12.460 And here again, one more point.

00:29:16.240 This is yet another situation that underscores the danger of using preferred pronouns.

00:29:20.420 How can you say she cannot come into the women's room?

00:29:25.240 How can you say that?

00:29:26.680 That doesn't work.

00:29:28.620 Sarah McBride is a he.

00:29:30.580 He may not go into Nancy Mace's bathroom because he is a man. 0.68

00:29:36.500 And Nancy Mace's bathroom is for women. 1.00

00:29:39.180 Again, that's it.

00:29:42.580 Anybody on Capitol Hill have any questions, you can email me.

00:29:46.920 You got the number.

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00:31:10.840 We're getting into the freakout over Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s nomination as the secretary of HHS,

00:31:16.640 and we begin with a guest we enjoyed back during the height of the COVID pandemic.

00:31:20.400 He has a piece this week in the free press that gets to the truth about RFK's supposedly controversial views,

00:31:27.440 and you can find Dr. Vinay Prasad on YouTube, podcast platforms,

00:31:32.140 and on Substack at Vinay Prasad's Observations and Thoughts.

00:31:36.040 Doc, welcome back. Great to see you.

00:31:38.140 It's great to be back, Megan.

00:31:39.900 Can I just start with something?

00:31:41.420 This is not about RFK, Jay, but it's something I watched you do a YouTube show on

00:31:46.780 with a pediatric cardiologist one time, and it's on the myocarditis that young men suffered

00:31:53.720 in the wake of getting, in particular, the second vaccine in the context of the COVID pandemic.

00:32:00.040 And I'm just so tired of hearing people talk about doctors who said maybe we don't need mandates for kids

00:32:08.580 as like something reckless, and maybe we should be careful, especially with teenage boys as somehow irresponsible.

00:32:17.180 Or I've gotten blowback when I said, I don't know about Travis Kelsey being out there pushing the Pfizer Vax,

00:32:25.720 because his fan group is like that group, without any asterisks, right?

00:32:30.760 Like, yeah, sure, it's cool to get the vaccine.

00:32:32.540 Like, nobody talks about this.

00:32:34.400 And as a mother of two young boys, not to mention a girl,

00:32:37.440 this is a real thing, that kids did get this, and it's a real concern for a lot of parents.

00:32:43.760 Yeah, I can comment about that.

00:32:44.800 I guess I would say that mandates, particularly for young men between the ages of 16 and 26, were a net harm.

00:32:52.200 I mean, I'm not just saying that they shouldn't have done it.

00:32:54.200 Of course, they should have had no mandates, I think, at any ages.

00:32:56.500 I think that was a mistake.

00:32:57.800 But in that subgroup of young men from 16 to 26, we harmed those men from dose two and dose three.

00:33:04.300 We've shown that in a number of publications.

00:33:06.560 That was bad and reckless policy.

00:33:08.940 I think there is a simple mind, which is people want to say all vaccines are safe and effective.

00:33:14.820 All are good.

00:33:16.040 That's like saying all drugs are good.

00:33:18.480 The right vaccine for the right person at the right time can be of tremendous benefit.

00:33:23.300 But the wrong vaccine for the wrong person at the wrong time can be really harmful.

00:33:27.820 So young women in this country were harmed by J&J, particularly women between the ages of 18 and 25.

00:33:33.260 And young men were harmed by Moderna and Pfizer.

00:33:36.400 And one of the things Robert F. Kennedy wants to do is remove a 1986 law that prevents parents from suing the company that makes the product only for vaccines.

00:33:45.780 And I actually support that policy.

00:33:47.740 I think vaccine makers should be able to be litigated for harms like myocarditis, which were suppressed.

00:33:54.140 And, you know, the response was, well, they're not going to make the drugs unless we immunize them in some way from these lawsuits.

00:33:59.940 But now, with the benefit of hindsight, you look at the huge money they made at Pfizer and Moderna from these vaccines.

00:34:09.560 And they want to tell us they don't have the money to pay those who are vaccine injured.

00:34:14.240 I mean, do you buy it?

00:34:15.800 You're absolutely right.

00:34:16.500 The 1986 law occurred at a time where vaccines were very cheap and they weren't making a lot of money from those vaccines.

00:34:22.260 Now they've made $100 billion from the Pfizer vaccine.

00:34:26.180 The new maternal RSV vaccine cost $300.

00:34:30.540 Modern vaccines are not like old-fashioned vaccines.

00:34:33.440 They're incredibly lucrative, multibillion-dollar products.

00:34:36.700 And they should, and they have plenty of the money to tolerate litigation.

00:34:40.260 They should face litigation just like they face litigation for drug products like allergy medications or anticoagulants.

00:34:46.780 That old argument no longer holds true.

00:34:48.920 Okay, so you go through in the free press piece a lot of the things.

00:34:54.340 And can we talk about fluoride?

00:34:56.240 Because I have been into Maha before it had its name and spoke with Casey Means, who's here later, and many others.

00:35:05.580 And I've known that there is an issue, a potential issue, or at least a debate, about fluoride in the drinking water.

00:35:12.420 And that it's considered toxic, a neurotoxin.

00:35:15.060 I've heard RFKJ say that as well.

00:35:16.540 And people I really like laugh at that out loud.

00:35:21.260 Like, that's an insane position. 0.90

00:35:23.120 And this is one of the things that leads them to say, he's a kook. 0.90

00:35:26.740 So what of fluoride in the drinking water?

00:35:28.920 Yeah, so the purpose of my piece is really to argue, and I'll come to fluoride, is really to argue that you can't be a kook if there are many European nations already doing the policy that you suggest. 0.89

00:35:41.440 So I treat RFK like I treat anybody.

00:35:44.120 Let's not look at him as a person.

00:35:46.060 Let's look at his ideas and go idea by idea.

00:35:48.560 RFK Jr., like a lot of people, might have a bunch of ideas that are really good and promising, and maybe a few ideas that are debatable and a few ideas that are bad.

00:35:58.540 But we should be able to take the good from what he's saying and, you know, question him on the other things.

00:36:03.060 So let's take fluoride in the water.

00:36:04.700 The first litmus test.

00:36:05.820 Do other nations take the fluoride out of the water?

00:36:08.200 There are many nations, including Germany and other European nations, that do not put fluoride in the water.

00:36:13.280 So there is no global consensus that you should put fluoride in the water.

00:36:17.340 There's some other pieces about fluoride that are interesting to me.

00:36:20.400 One, when we originally put fluoride in the water, there were lots of cavities and caries among children.

00:36:26.320 And the idea of putting fluoride in the water is that pregnant women drink water, they'll take up fluoride, their babies will be born with stronger enamel, and they'll be less likely to get cavities.

00:36:35.160 What we have seen over the course of the last 40, 50, 60, 70 years is there is a reduction in childhood cavities in nations that have added fluoride to the water and in nations that haven't added fluoride to the water.

00:36:46.380 The most recent Cochrane Review, which is a prestigious evidence-based association guidance on this topic, says we don't know for sure what the absolute benefit is of fluoride in drinking water on children's cavities.

00:36:58.360 We also know that by putting fluoride in the water, there are lots and lots of people who are exposed to it who may not be the beneficiaries of the reduction in cavities.

00:37:08.140 The other difference, we use a lot more fluoride-containing toothpaste now than we used to, and so that's a way in which cavities are getting better and fluoride is getting to teeth anyway.

00:37:16.480 Now, in terms of the questions about does it affect cognition and IQ, that's a very tough, obviously a tough question to tackle.

00:37:22.500 I think Robert F. Kennedy is correct that at very high doses, fluoride is a neurotoxin.

00:37:27.780 At the doses people get exposed to, does it have an impact on cognition?

00:37:31.600 I've looked through a bunch of studies.

00:37:32.760 My team is going to do a review of this.

00:37:34.400 I'm not sure yet.

00:37:35.720 But I think the point is, if Robert F. Kennedy comes in and he says municipal water plants should be discouraged from putting in fluoride, we all know what's going to happen, Megan.

00:37:46.520 The same thing that happened when Trump said we should reopen schools, all of the red districts will take the fluoride out of the water and all of the liberal districts will probably put more fluoride in the water.

00:37:56.440 You know, they might even, you might even add a little fluoride to the water.

00:37:59.000 Yeah, don't do that.

00:37:59.800 And so I think that you'll get a very split, a split view.

00:38:03.080 But people who want a fear monger and say RFK Jr. is going to come in and take the fluoride out of your water, I think that's not what's going to happen.

00:38:09.840 And I also think there's a legitimate debate here.

00:38:11.900 There's a reason why some countries are not putting it in.

00:38:14.400 And we should have that debate and not call him a kook for bringing up the topic.

00:38:18.500 Totally agree.

00:38:19.040 You point out in your piece that while, yes, at high levels, it's disturbing, it's potentially disturbing, you're right.

00:38:25.660 Other researchers found that even fluoride levels within the legal range were associated with that risk of, you know, it being a neurotoxin.

00:38:34.800 And one study of American mothers found that pregnant women who drank fluoridated water were more likely to give birth to children with lower IQs.

00:38:41.960 And this is probably why they banned it or they don't use it in Germany, Norway, and Sweden.

00:38:46.080 I think this is a very good caution.

00:38:47.880 It's for people to look into.

00:38:49.460 And I'm sure RFK Jr. is not going to go in there with a magic wand and start doing this stuff.

00:38:53.760 He's going to have doctors who he trusts, unlike those who he thinks are captured, actually take a look at it honestly for the first time.

00:39:01.880 So, yes, we like it.

00:39:03.520 The biggest thing with RFKJ is the thing I spent two hours talking to him about, and that is his skepticism about the MMR vaccines that we give our kids when they're born.

00:39:15.260 And he fought to get thimerosal out of the vaccines, which has mercury.

00:39:21.320 He did not accept the protestations that it was not a problematic form of mercury.

00:39:25.560 And, indeed, they did wind up removing it.

00:39:29.780 And he's had some questions about vaccines, but he told me personally he had all of his kids vaxxed with all the MMR stuff.

00:39:35.760 So what about his stance on MMR vaccines?

00:39:39.980 So I think it's quite interesting, and I have sort of a middle-of-the-road nuanced position on him.

00:39:44.920 I don't dismiss him out of hand.

00:39:46.920 I think on the particular question, is the MMR vaccine linked to autism?

00:39:50.940 On that question, I think there's a number of studies that, in my mind, show pretty convincingly that it is not linked to autism.

00:39:58.260 But on the broader vaccine questions, why does the United States have vaccines that we don't give in Sweden, we don't give in Switzerland, we don't give in Germany?

00:40:07.320 Are vaccine schedules more aggressive?

00:40:09.020 There are differences across countries.

00:40:10.800 Are there side effects of vaccines that we might be missing or underappreciating?

00:40:14.960 Is there more work that needs to be done to optimize vaccine safety and efficacy on this sort of global question?

00:40:22.020 I think RFK Jr. has an important point.

00:40:24.060 As you know, Megan, in this country, there were two safety signals from COVID-19 vaccines that we talked a lot about.

00:40:30.040 One was the one you mentioned, myocarditis.

00:40:31.860 The other was something called thrombocytopenic thrombosis that occurred with the Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines.

00:40:39.080 Those safety signals were not first discovered in the United States.

00:40:42.360 Our CDC was not the first one to tell us about it.

00:40:45.240 The myocarditis signal came from the Israelis. 0.99

00:40:47.860 They told us about it.

00:40:48.980 And then Rochelle Walensky denied seeing the signal.

00:40:51.620 You can check the Reuters news story.

00:40:52.900 I believe it is April 27th.

00:40:54.420 The United States' vaccine surveillance safety system is old.

00:40:58.880 It's antiquated.

00:40:59.920 It's not very good.

00:41:01.240 There could be many other safety signals for vaccines.

00:41:03.820 We are missing.

00:41:05.020 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has a unique opportunity to revive this system, to rehabilitate it,

00:41:10.240 to make a new modern system where we actually take seriously vaccine safety and we actually

00:41:15.140 try to study it.

00:41:16.080 And you're not going to find safety signals if you're not looking for safety signals.

00:41:19.120 I think that's an important problem.

00:41:20.780 The other thing I'd say is that there's the pushback to Robert F. Kennedy that anytime you

00:41:25.420 look for safety concerns for vaccine, you're anti-vaccine.

00:41:29.180 That's not true.

00:41:30.440 Anybody who prescribes any drug product of which a vaccine is one knows that a good doctor

00:41:36.220 always considers side effects, always considers that other side.

00:41:39.680 And the last thing I'd say is I've listened to him.

00:41:42.160 I think that people are fear-mongering.

00:41:43.960 If he comes into power, the MMR vaccine is not going to disappear from the hospital shelves.

00:41:49.120 He's a big believer in vaccine autonomy.

00:41:51.380 So he will likely try to reduce coercive pressure to have the current vaccination schedule.

00:41:56.740 But I don't think he's going to take away any vaccines.

00:41:59.200 I don't think changing that 1986 litigation law is going to make them manufacturers not make

00:42:03.840 them.

00:42:04.100 I think these kind of fear-mongering stories that vaccines will disappear, I think that's

00:42:08.000 incorrect.

00:42:09.060 So I think that while he's wrong on MMR and autism, I think he might have a broader point

00:42:13.080 about we should take safety more seriously.

00:42:15.680 Yeah.

00:42:16.340 And when I talked to him, he said on the autism front, he felt like the vaccines and the

00:42:21.700 mercury and all that, that may have been a factor in the explosion of autism that we

00:42:26.160 were seeing at that time.

00:42:27.200 That the whole environment that our kids were growing up in, especially in that time period,

00:42:31.300 was just a toxic stew all around them.

00:42:34.640 I mean, as a kid who grew up swimming in the Hudson River, which was loaded with GE toxic

00:42:39.340 waste dumps, I can appreciate that.

00:42:43.080 He spent his whole life trying to clean up the Hudson River and other places like it.

00:42:47.120 And that's one of the things they say about him.

00:42:48.640 Well, he's not a doctor.

00:42:49.420 Well, neither is Xavier Becerra, our current HHS secretary.

00:42:55.760 He's a lawyer.

00:42:56.680 He's a politician.

00:42:57.520 And neither was Kathleen Sebelius.

00:42:59.280 She's a politician. 1.00

00:43:00.580 Like, it's not unusual to not have a doctor heading HHS.

00:43:04.920 In fact, I think a doctor heading HHS is the unusual thing.

00:43:08.140 Most of the people headed HHS are not doctors.

00:43:10.220 And on the flip side of the question is just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you know

00:43:13.840 anything about medicine or get everything right.

00:43:16.120 Fauci famously said, don't wear masks, wear masks.

00:43:18.780 Ashish Jha says, make sure your toddler gets their annual booster.

00:43:22.660 He has no evidence to say that.

00:43:23.760 Make sure that a person who's already had COVID twice and taken Pax Livid twice takes it

00:43:28.520 a third time.

00:43:29.440 So doctors are making things up all the time.

00:43:31.340 Um, I'm not concerned that Robert F. Kennedy is not a doctor that doesn't enter my calculus

00:43:36.220 at all.

00:43:37.320 How about, uh, the hep B vaccine that we're giving newborns?

00:43:44.000 Newborns who are obviously participating in the high risk behavior that warrants the hep

00:43:47.920 B vaccine.

00:43:48.600 No, I'm kidding.

00:43:49.140 Of course, because newborns aren't.

00:43:50.480 Right, sexual behavior. 0.88

00:43:51.400 Right, sexual behavior.

00:43:52.480 So I think, you know, Robert F. Kennedy has an interesting point and European nations

00:43:57.040 appreciate the point.

00:43:58.360 And that point is that many European nations do not recommend hep B vaccination at birth.

00:44:03.920 In the United States, as rule, almost all pregnant women have hep B vaccination, have

00:44:09.220 hep B virus testing.

00:44:10.800 We know which women have hep B when they're giving birth. 0.99

00:44:13.580 That's something that we're routinely screening all women for. 1.00

00:44:16.200 Um, I think it is an interesting and reasonable thing to ask whether or not every baby born in

00:44:22.140 America should get hep B vaccines at birth or if it should be delayed as it's done in

00:44:27.040 many European nations.

00:44:28.420 Now, one of the reasons people say we got to do it at birth is that people aren't going

00:44:32.560 to follow up.

00:44:33.520 That to me is not a terrific reason.

00:44:36.240 It feels very paternalistic.

00:44:37.760 I'm not sure there's actually evidence for that claim that there are missed people in

00:44:41.640 European countries that Americans are less likely to follow up and see doctors, um, and,

00:44:45.940 and participate in vaccine programs.

00:44:47.420 But to me, that's clearly an issue worthy of debate.

00:44:50.560 And, you know, on my own sub stack at drvaniprasad.com, I had an infectious disease doctor, Megan, and

00:44:57.100 he's writing anonymously.

00:44:58.440 He's an East coast professor.

00:44:59.920 He has to be anonymous because unfortunately the leftists has captured the field of infectious

00:45:04.200 disease and they don't want to have any dialogue on this topic.

00:45:06.820 But in his anonymous post, he tells the story of a doctor couple who asked, why do I have

00:45:12.480 to get this at birth?

00:45:13.520 And how the system was not giving them a good answer.

00:45:16.080 And he himself is skeptical and he's an ID expert, uh, that this should be given at birth

00:45:20.540 to all babies, perhaps the babies that have high risk, you know, who are born in high risk

00:45:24.620 situations like, you know, a parent has it, et cetera.

00:45:27.160 Um, so I think it's a very good point and a place where Robert F. Kennedy has a point.

00:45:31.520 Um, there's a debate over raw milk.

00:45:34.040 This is getting more and more popular, especially with some young men and RFKJ has said he's

00:45:41.080 fine with it.

00:45:41.980 And now some of his critics are saying that's crazy talk.

00:45:44.480 You know, you can get E. coli pasteurized milk came around decades ago for a reason.

00:45:50.040 What do you make of that one?

00:45:52.460 So one thing is, you know, I have to admit, I'm not a big milk drinker in any way.

00:45:56.440 I'm an adult who doesn't drink a lot of milk.

00:45:58.120 My mother grew up in India and she used to tell me that there's nothing that she liked better

00:46:02.480 than the taste of fresh, unpasteurized or so-called raw milk.

00:46:06.840 And I think there's some people who genuinely prefer the taste.

00:46:09.520 So that's part of the motivation is they think it tastes better.

00:46:11.680 It's better for cooking, et cetera.

00:46:13.120 Let's apply the European litmus test.

00:46:15.320 There are many European nations where it is legal to sell raw milk.

00:46:19.360 There is a risk.

00:46:20.360 Probably Emily Oster, the economist, calculates the risk in the New York Times as seven in

00:46:24.620 a hundred thousand.

00:46:25.340 So there's some risk that you will get some sickness from raw milk, but it's not 80%.

00:46:30.500 It's seven in a hundred thousand.

00:46:32.200 It's a very low risk.

00:46:33.780 Now, that risk is probably on par with all sorts of risks we allow people to take every

00:46:38.700 single day.

00:46:39.760 And to be honest, if I had to have choose between a glass of raw milk and a Twinkie, I'll probably

00:46:44.660 drink the glass of raw milk.

00:46:45.740 It's probably healthier than the Twinkie, the things that we do sell that cause chronic

00:46:48.960 disease.

00:46:49.600 So I think to Robert F. Kennedy's point is he's a believer in body autonomy.

00:46:53.260 And the other thing, Megan, is I'll point out he's both a skeptic of vaccine mandates

00:46:57.920 and he believes in a woman's right to choose.

00:47:00.540 So he's rather consistent on body autonomy in a way many others are not.

00:47:04.840 He thinks that the same body autonomy extends to raw milk, that if you want, you can buy it.

00:47:10.740 But no one's going to come and force you to drink raw milk if you don't want it.

00:47:13.600 I'm not going to drink raw milk because I don't drink milk.

00:47:15.920 But he's saying if you want to do it, why not do it?

00:47:18.800 And the governor of Colorado, Jared Polis, a Democrat, agrees with him.

00:47:23.260 And he has a large constituency of Colorado hippies, liberal hippies who want to have

00:47:28.520 raw milk.

00:47:29.320 So I think on the issue of raw milk, that's not a hill to die on.

00:47:32.620 If I was in charge of it, I would remove the restriction on selling raw milk.

00:47:37.300 If people can bungee jump, they should be able to drink raw milk if they want.

00:47:40.980 There this one's not in your piece, but he there's also some out there statements like

00:47:48.400 the brain worm that he said he got.

00:47:50.880 And there's one quote where he suggested that HIV does not cause AIDS, that that AIDS is not

00:47:57.960 caused by HIV or may not be in an interview in 2023 with New York magazine.

00:48:03.580 I mean, does that is that crazy talk or is what's what do you make of that statements like

00:48:08.420 that?

00:48:09.960 Well, I mean, it's very possible and some people are infected with pork parasites that

00:48:14.620 do go to the brain and they become calcified like sister sarkosis.

00:48:17.760 So it is possible he does, in fact, have a brain worm.

00:48:20.820 I don't think that's actually driving his thinking.

00:48:23.260 So I don't think it affects your cognition in terms of HIV being the cause of AIDS.

00:48:27.240 I, as a doctor and somebody who studied this a lot, will say that HIV is, in fact, the

00:48:32.220 necessary cause of AIDS.

00:48:33.820 You don't develop AIDS without HIV.

00:48:36.060 You need HIV plus time for your CD4 count to drop.

00:48:40.340 I would, anytime I read what the media says he said, I would love to see the full transcript

00:48:44.820 of what exactly he said and think about it, you know, because I don't trust the media anymore.

00:48:48.900 I've come to be distrustful of them.

00:48:50.460 But having said that, I would say HIV is the cause of AIDS. 0.89

00:48:53.080 And I would say that it's possible he did have a brain worm.

00:48:55.560 I don't think that explains his beliefs, many of which I think are very interesting.

00:49:01.000 The last thing I'd say, Megan, is when was the last time we had an HHS secretary who had 0.56

00:49:05.160 beliefs at all?

00:49:06.480 Usually we have HHS secretaries who go from the pharmaceutical companies to HHS.

00:49:11.320 They just play the political game where they, you know, do a little bit for the public,

00:49:16.240 not much at all.

00:49:17.080 And then they go back to self-aggrandize and consult for pharmaceutical firms and consult

00:49:21.420 for insurance companies.

00:49:22.560 This is the first time, in my knowledge, you have an HHS secretary who has any ideas at

00:49:27.100 all that are worthy of discussion.

00:49:28.660 The first time that he has an opinion on anything.

00:49:30.960 And I think Americans, by voting for Trump, they voted to shake up the snow globe.

00:49:34.840 They want somebody to go do something different.

00:49:37.260 And this guy, he might not do everything perfect.

00:49:39.920 And he will get pushback from the media and from me and from others when he makes a mistake.

00:49:44.400 But there's some things he wants to do that are really laudable.

00:49:47.060 He wants kids to have better food.

00:49:48.540 He wants, you know, better nutrition for all of us.

00:49:52.080 He wants us to curb the obesity epidemic.

00:49:54.500 He's a guy coming in with some ideas.

00:49:56.180 And I think that's worthy of taking seriously.

00:49:58.940 All right.

00:49:59.520 In the six seconds left.

00:50:00.620 So thumbs up on RFKJ from you.

00:50:03.580 Well, I say I don't want to give a final verdict.

00:50:06.280 I think some of his ideas are really good and some of his ideas need to be pushed back on.

00:50:10.200 But I think it's interesting times and he is forcing an interesting discussion.

00:50:15.620 Great, great.

00:50:16.400 We're going to get into some of those things you just mentioned when Dr. Casey Means joins us next.

00:50:20.500 Always great to see you, Doc.

00:50:21.520 Thanks for being here.

00:50:22.900 Thank you.

00:50:24.300 Dr. Vinay Prasad.

00:50:25.700 Take a listen.

00:50:26.240 Check out his YouTube because you will find a lot of really interesting, accessible discussions at the top of the medical field.

00:50:35.820 RFKJ brought Maha to MAGA during the campaign and then Trump won.

00:50:40.340 So what will Maha look like in practice?

00:50:43.460 Let's face it.

00:50:44.160 RFKJ looks good.

00:50:45.540 He's on his way toward being confirmed.

00:50:48.400 He's not even one of the top names that people are objecting to now.

00:50:51.040 It's all all the attentions on Hegseth and on Matt Gaetz.

00:50:54.040 It doesn't mean he'll sail through.

00:50:55.460 But if you wanted to place a bet, I think it'd be a pretty good bet to say he's going to make it, especially given the groundswell of support behind him and how important his endorsement was.

00:51:06.580 Think about it.

00:51:07.080 Like Matt Gaetz is a loyalist to Trump and so is Pete Hegseth.

00:51:10.180 He loves Trump.

00:51:10.760 But who delivered votes, who actually inspired people to turn out of the polls who might otherwise not have for Trump or might not have turned out at all?

00:51:21.260 Who inspired Nicole Shanahan to get off the couch and start using her enormous good fortune to make those very powerful ads for Trump? 0.94

00:51:29.280 That, you know, she's been on the program a couple of times.

00:51:31.200 He was her.

00:51:31.660 She was his running mate.

00:51:32.760 All of that was Bobby Kennedy.

00:51:35.580 And so good luck to you if you're going to try to stop him, because America has said they might not want him in the top job, though they weren't really given the option thanks to the Democrats.

00:51:43.960 And they are very democratic process.

00:51:45.800 They they want him to make America healthy again.

00:51:49.100 And one of the people who may help him do this and certainly who had input into his thinking about it is my next guest, Dr. Casey Means.

00:51:57.600 She and her brother, Callie Means, have been driving the Maha movement.

00:52:01.340 And Casey's the author of the must read, must, must read.

00:52:06.320 Promise me you'll read this book, please.

00:52:08.060 I beg of you.

00:52:08.980 Give it to everyone, you know, for Christmas.

00:52:10.380 It was a great, great gift.

00:52:11.660 Their wellness, easy to understand, actual tools in there for you to get started so you don't have to, like, try to remember it in your head.

00:52:17.640 It's called Good Energy, the surprising connection between metabolism and limitless health.

00:52:23.680 Good energy.

00:52:24.740 We covered it in great length with her on episode eight, eight, seven.

00:52:28.940 Welcome back, Casey.

00:52:30.080 Great to see you.

00:52:31.340 Hi, Megan.

00:52:32.140 So good to see you.

00:52:34.040 Trump won.

00:52:35.060 And now Bobby Kennedy's nominated for head of the N.I.

00:52:38.120 I mean, can you believe this?

00:52:40.140 I can.

00:52:41.160 I think Americans are ready to be healthy again.

00:52:43.500 And I think they came out in full force on November 5th saying that we want to bend the curve of the chronic disease epidemic.

00:52:50.860 And I think that's a really beautiful thing.

00:52:52.900 What was your reaction since you and Callie really put your necks out there to talk about things that you're not supposed to talk about?

00:53:00.500 You said the things you're not supposed to say and you took on the industries you're not supposed to challenge and worked with RFKJ.

00:53:06.920 He mentioned you at his Trump endorsement.

00:53:09.560 I just would love to hear how you reacted on the night when you saw the returns coming in.

00:53:13.140 I feel really hopeful.

00:53:15.940 That is the main feeling, the dominant tenor of the feeling that I'm feeling right now.

00:53:21.100 Because I have devoted my adult life to trying to probe the real root causes of why Americans are sick right now and why health is getting absolutely destroyed in this country for children and adults.

00:53:35.080 And that journey, of course, as we talked about in our last episode, pulled me away from the conventional health care system.

00:53:40.320 I left my career as a surgeon and I devoted my life to figuring out why are Americans getting destroyed at such higher rates than other countries?

00:53:49.100 And the reality is it's metabolic dysfunction.

00:53:52.380 It's a mismatch between the environment we're living in and what our cells actually need to thrive.

00:53:57.500 And unfortunately, that's been almost completely absent from the conversation about health for many, many years.

00:54:03.700 And so the fact that RFK is talking about this and he's really created vision and clarity for what we can do with the incredible health resources we have in this country.

00:54:15.080 And, you know, unfortunately, the media has been picking apart just fringe aspects of what he talks about.

00:54:22.440 But I think the vision is so clear and so bold.

00:54:24.980 It's let's get Americans healthy.

00:54:26.400 Let's focus on the modifiable root causes that are destroying our health.

00:54:29.440 And let's do three things.

00:54:31.080 I mean, he's really broken it down into three dictates that we should all really be hopeful about.

00:54:36.900 The first is we need to get the conflicts of interest out of the health agencies.

00:54:41.500 This is step one.

00:54:43.400 You've talked about this so much on your show, but there is just unbelievable conflicts of interest in the FDA, the CDC, the NIH.

00:54:50.440 We've got to get those conflicts of interest out so that it's clean.

00:54:53.740 The second thing we need to do is then produce uncompromised, evidence-based research, keyword uncompromised,

00:55:03.200 that actually sets the health standards and guidelines for our health in America.

00:55:07.100 And the third is to, in the next two years, reverse the trends of the chronic disease epidemic destroying health in children and adults so that we can actually show up for the 250th birthday of America stronger than ever.

00:55:23.700 This is something we can all get behind.

00:55:25.880 And so that vision that has actually been absent from the conversation in the past four years is just making me feel incredibly hopeful.

00:55:34.300 Mm-hmm.

00:55:36.020 This is, that's huge.

00:55:37.360 I mean, those three things are huge.

00:55:38.620 And who would be against them with RFKJ at the top of HHS? 0.68

00:55:43.180 And then potentially Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is talking about as possible head of NIH, which would be amazing.

00:55:50.700 I mean, where could a doctor, Stanford-trained, wind-eyed woman young? 0.99

00:55:58.360 Like, I don't know, like, what would, Surgeon General, CDC, like, is anything attractive to you, just hypothetically?

00:56:06.920 You are so kind.

00:56:08.460 I, you know, I'm here to push this mission forward however I can.

00:56:14.520 I think there's a moment right now.

00:56:16.520 I feel something.

00:56:17.900 I think you feel something, too.

00:56:19.040 I think a lot of people feel something.

00:56:20.480 There's a crack that has opened in the zeitgeist, in the consciousness, in the culture, where people have realized that things are not going well.

00:56:31.140 We're facing, I would say, non-hyperbolically extinction-level trends in our health right now.

00:56:38.280 And so from my perspective, it's all hands on deck, every single person, every parent, every teen, every, you know, person who has the ability to help us move health in the right direction we need to with our voices, with our actions.

00:56:53.600 And so, you know, that's how I feel.

00:56:55.200 I'm like, I'm here to serve and to help however I can.

00:56:58.960 She's going, people.

00:57:00.040 She's going.

00:57:00.720 We don't know where she's going. 0.51

00:57:01.740 I'm just going to say it.

00:57:02.580 We don't know what role.

00:57:03.820 But God bless you if you agree to serve.

00:57:05.700 I realize you have a great life in California right now, and you've set things up perfectly for you to be practicing medicine the way you want.

00:57:12.600 But, man, we need you.

00:57:13.700 And you know you could be helping millions on that scale, you and your brother.

00:57:18.340 Okay, let's go through some of these.

00:57:19.700 I do think the conflict of interest thing is something that must be done.

00:57:24.400 And I would love to get your thoughts so far on whether it can, like how.

00:57:30.180 Because sometimes when I hear his agenda discussed, people are like, sounds great.

00:57:34.700 He's never going to do it.

00:57:35.840 There's zero chance he's going to be able to undo these conflicts of interest and the power of big ag and these Republican, even lawmakers, who are, you know, take, have a lot of big donors in these industries.

00:57:50.220 Right.

00:57:50.520 And then I start to get kind of depressed, but we'll go through them one at a time.

00:57:53.900 Conflicts of interest.

00:57:54.680 The big one that I think people can understand is the FDA and how, you know, Scott Gottlieb was running it under Trump and then left to go work for Pfizer.

00:58:07.780 What are the odds that, you know, he's going to be cracking down on Pfizer when he realizes he's going to get a huge paycheck from them when he leaves?

00:58:18.380 The odds are in his favor that he's going to get, he's going to make bank as soon as he leaves this government job.

00:58:21.880 Can we really trust him when he's running the FDA?

00:58:24.520 Go back further. 0.86

00:58:27.400 Dope sick.

00:58:28.060 We made a big deal out of that movie when it first came out.

00:58:30.180 We had on Danny Strong, who's the writer and executive producer of it and actually also starred in Gilmore Girls, which he was amazing in.

00:58:37.220 Anyway, he was on the program talking about the conflict of interest there and the opioid crisis between the FDA and the approvals that were given to Big Pharma and the Sackler family business when it came to OxyContin.

00:58:57.060 I'm just going to show a couple of soundbites that bring that home.

00:58:59.640 Here's Danny Strong on our show in episode 229.

00:59:03.320 It goes beyond a criminal company and it goes beyond the dishonesty of a few people.

00:59:11.600 It ends up tying into the very broken nature of our government's relationship with private industry.

00:59:19.280 And that if someone could have a job at the FDA in which they are directly overseeing pharma companies,

00:59:27.740 and then they can immediately go work for those pharma companies, the revolving door, you end up with situations like what happened here where people are working at the FDA thinking either,

00:59:39.020 A, there's a job for me at Purdue Pharma when I get out, or B, a job at a consulting company that can be hired by Purdue Pharma.

00:59:47.240 Or in some, in one case, a person was put on a board at Tufts University that Purdue Pharma was in charge of that board.

00:59:54.680 So there's all sorts of goodies to be had for your career, your future, your pocketbook by playing ball with Purdue Pharma.

01:00:02.760 And I think that, I think looking at the revolving door, coming up with new rules that can not enable someone to oversee their warning label and then go work for them within 18 months.

01:00:15.120 She could have gone work for them the next day. 0.81

01:00:18.460 Okay, so Danny Strong is a Trump voter.

01:00:20.320 I'm just going to say it.

01:00:22.260 Now, unconfirmed, just my suspicion, but therein lies the problem.

01:00:27.140 So take that on.

01:00:29.400 Yeah, I mean, I mean, Vinay did, you know, so I was just listening in to your guys' conversation.

01:00:34.220 It's so great.

01:00:34.800 And he wrote this amazing article in the Free Press that everyone should read.

01:00:38.320 But he highlights actually some of the most recent ones.

01:00:41.060 You know, Mark McClellan, FDA commissioner, George Bush, now on the board of Johnson & Johnson.

01:00:45.580 Scott Gottlieb, head of the FDA during the Trump administration, on the board of Pfizer now.

01:00:49.900 Stephen Hahn, who succeeded Gottlieb, now the CEO of flagship pioneering, a VC firm behind Moderna.

01:00:56.300 So we're talking three massive pharmaceutical companies, all vaccine manufacturers, revolving door between FDA and these companies, huge, huge money in this, obviously.

01:01:11.920 And actually, Vinay's research team published that 60% of FDA cancer drug reviewers go to work in biopharma when they leave the agency.

01:01:20.360 So as someone who is, you know, a future, hopefully soon to be mother, who's going to be making decisions about vaccines for my own children, the idea that the FDA that's regulating the vaccines is a revolving door with the companies who make them and that 75% of the FDA's drug budget comes from pharmaceutical companies.

01:01:39.280 And then there's this weird, you know, crosstalk between the CDC and the FDA where the CDC is then jamming a vaccine schedule down our throat that's bigger than most other countries in the world.

01:01:50.020 And then we can't question it or else we're called, you know, we're shamed for being terrible anti-vax people.

01:01:55.940 It's like this is a really weird situation that we're in.

01:01:59.000 And like Vinay said earlier, it's like the fact that someone's talking about this and questioning it, then add on the fact that these companies have legal immunity for wrongdoing and harm.

01:02:11.000 We're living in a bizarro world, you know, and I think I think Americans just said enough of this.

01:02:15.800 Like there's almost this assumption that we're dumb, you know, and that we can't understand what's going on. 0.61

01:02:23.020 Um, well, well, it's true that we're too busy to pay attention to it, right? 0.60

01:02:27.700 I mean, like the average person is not, they had, they know nothing about the FDA because they don't care to know.

01:02:33.640 They have so many other things to worry about.

01:02:35.920 And there's been prior to COVID, at least a trust in government.

01:02:40.720 That's just like, they got it.

01:02:42.440 I'm not going to worry about this stuff. 0.98

01:02:44.440 Only now I think are people like, holy shit, I do need to worry. 0.60

01:02:47.780 Well, thank God for independent media, you know, because I think a lot of this is getting out, I think, on shows like yours and other amazing independent media platforms where even the sheer facts of what's happening with American health trends, I feel like are almost even the facts that non-controversial facts are not being talked about enough. 0.89

01:03:09.540 Like, why is it not front page news that infertility is going up 1% per year?

01:03:14.200 Why is it not front page news that sperm counts are going down 1% per year?

01:03:18.000 Why is it not front page news that 75% of Americans have overweight or obesity, that 52% of American adults have type 2 diabetes, that 30% of teens have prediabetes, that autoimmune diseases are going up 12% per year, that 77% of young adults can't serve in the military because of obesity or drug abuse, that, you know, one in 22 kids in California have autism.

01:03:37.740 And this is skyrocketing, that one in 22 adults are going to get cancer in their lifetime, skyrocketing, young adult cancer is up 79%.

01:03:45.240 It goes on and on and on.

01:03:47.740 You would think this would be a just absolute public health state of emergency like we did for COVID, but it's not.

01:03:56.360 It's not.

01:03:57.320 It's being downplayed.

01:03:59.220 And so this is now, there is an avenue because of the beauty of independent media for this to actually be surfaced.

01:04:06.640 And when people hear it, they know, they see it, that this is truth.

01:04:12.060 And so I think, yeah, I just think it's a very, very exciting time where there's almost like an awakening happening.

01:04:19.280 And, you know, there are such a focus on some of the more minutiae of things that RFK has said.

01:04:27.580 But I think we all need to orient towards the big picture vision.

01:04:32.340 American health is being destroyed by chronic illness, which is rooted in diet, lifestyle, environmental toxins, and overuse of medications.

01:04:39.060 And we've got to talk about that at the highest level.

01:04:42.540 And he has Trump's buy-in.

01:04:45.680 You know, Trump is here.

01:04:47.840 And whether people like him or not, Trump's, I think, purpose on this planet is to go up against, you know, he wants to fight against, you know, corporate interests.

01:04:58.920 And he, you know, this populist movement has been about that.

01:05:03.520 And he can't run again.

01:05:05.460 And he's already a billionaire.

01:05:07.320 So I think there's an—and he has seen the light, I think, from RFK that this chronic health issue is a massive issue.

01:05:13.100 You saw him hold up that chart on Joe Rogan.

01:05:15.400 He was clearly touched by this issue that life expectancy in the U.S. is the lowest of all developed high-income nations.

01:05:25.300 And we're spending 2x on health care than any other country.

01:05:28.440 He is seeing this light, I think, in part because of what RFK has brought to the forefront and what independent media has helped put forward.

01:05:37.780 Americans are seeing it.

01:05:39.480 Everyone wants the trends to turn.

01:05:41.020 But, of course, there's so much pushback to this because the bills of legacy media are paid by pharma.

01:05:48.480 So there's a chokehold on actually talking about this.

01:05:51.440 But things are shifting, I think, so the cat's out of the bag.

01:05:54.340 And I think we're going to see monumental progress in the next four years.

01:05:57.360 I believe that.

01:05:58.040 You know, I have not been watching Fox News.

01:06:00.500 I don't watch cable news anymore at all.

01:06:01.700 But I guarantee you Fox News has gotten not positive on RFKJ.

01:06:05.900 I guarantee you because Pfizer's a big advertiser over there.

01:06:08.460 And I just wonder, like, I haven't checked the Wall Street Journal or the New York Post on RFKJ, but I'm just going to predict they're not going to be in his corner.

01:06:17.120 Because they're all owned by the same company.

01:06:19.360 I've seen some good stuff, though.

01:06:19.580 And Jesse Waters has been, I think, going hard on support for this.

01:06:25.180 I mean, he's been doing episode after episode about health and how many people are coming out on both sides to support RFK.

01:06:30.500 So there's been some, I think, some positive trends.

01:06:34.860 Yeah.

01:06:35.300 Good.

01:06:36.140 And I don't think Jesse's as controlled as some other people over there.

01:06:39.380 So that's good.

01:06:40.440 Good on him.

01:06:41.460 He's a friend, and I like him a lot.

01:06:43.140 And I like his show.

01:06:44.200 Though I don't watch cable news, so I just see his snippets.

01:06:46.500 Anywho, keeping going on the list.

01:06:49.900 By the way, do we have that Gottlieb clip?

01:06:51.400 Did we find that?

01:06:52.020 I had Scott Gottlieb on the show during the COVID pandemic, and he had already started working for Pfizer.

01:07:01.460 And he was just spewing such nonsense in defense of the vaccines and in defense of the masks on children in schools.

01:07:08.440 And it was just obvious that he was bought into, like, the regime as opposed to just independent thought and facts.

01:07:14.920 So we had this exchange.

01:07:15.940 He did not expect this to be a contentious interview at all.

01:07:18.180 And it didn't have to be, but he got unreasonable.

01:07:20.040 Here's just a walk down memory lane.

01:07:22.680 The masks are not effective, and there aren't studies proving that they are.

01:07:27.800 The CDC's own study, deal with that, 90,000 students in the Atlanta School District, prove that they do not have any effect.

01:07:35.600 Why isn't that valid?

01:07:36.620 Why isn't the CDC relying on its own study to allow us to unmask our children? 0.52

01:07:41.200 My policy prescription would be that in the setting of a very contagious variant,

01:07:44.500 that we don't know how hard or easy it's going to be to control in a school setting,

01:07:48.380 where the imperative is to keep kids in the classroom and also keep them safe.

01:07:52.020 We should go into this school year adopting all the reasonable measures that we can take and peel them away as we see how successful we are.

01:07:57.600 Masking has negative effects.

01:07:59.220 Masking has negative effects on children.

01:08:01.140 That's been proven as well.

01:08:02.580 This is not a harmless measure, and it's not helping.

01:08:06.520 So why wouldn't we be honest about the CDC's own information?

01:08:12.220 Well, that's what we're going to agree to disagree.

01:08:15.320 Why wouldn't we be, Casey?

01:08:18.540 That's unbelievable.

01:08:20.180 First of all, you're amazing.

01:08:22.460 I mean, pushing back so hard so early when it was also not acceptable to have these conversations.

01:08:28.320 So thank you.

01:08:31.040 It's astonishing.

01:08:32.820 You know, and I think it's so interesting.

01:08:35.560 Like, I think as I've been digging even more, because I think something so funny that's happening right now with the whole pushback to RFK,

01:08:44.500 and you talked about this a little with Vinay, but like, there's this whole thing about RFK is a lawyer.

01:08:49.900 He should not be the head of the HHS.

01:08:51.800 But of course, as we know, the current head of HHS is a lawyer, Xavier Becerra, and he's a career politician.

01:08:59.920 And it's really fascinating when you start to ding in.

01:09:03.340 I mean, my first question for anyone who's saying, oh, RFK is not qualified, is can you name the head of the HHS right now?

01:09:08.920 And I guarantee you most people could not.

01:09:11.320 But, you know, he's probably a great, he's probably a fine person.

01:09:14.120 You know, no shade on him.

01:09:15.440 I don't know him.

01:09:16.200 But you actually just go to his X profile, and you're talking about kind of like the regime and this sort of like group thing.

01:09:22.540 Every single post is about, it's partisan.

01:09:25.660 It's about Kamala.

01:09:26.460 It's about Biden, Harris, what they've done.

01:09:28.960 And it's all about increased access to health care services, expanding access to medication, and expanding the health care workforce.

01:09:38.720 Nothing wrong with those things, but what it's doing is continuing the gaslighting of not talking about the root causes, not talking about the elephant in the room, which is the chronic disease epidemic.

01:09:52.120 It's absent on his page.

01:09:54.580 Then you go to the HHS.gov website, which everyone should do right now on a browser.

01:09:59.560 The entire banner, the entire top of fold of the page is risk less, do more, okay?

01:10:08.540 It is a, and they say it flat out, it is a campaign for vaccine awareness and uptake.

01:10:14.540 So it's like the entire personality of the HHS right now is get vaccines.

01:10:19.240 It's literally like, and this does not matter what people's feelings are on vaccines.

01:10:23.900 It's weird and myopic that the actual thing that's torturing and shortening American lives right now is not mentioned.

01:10:32.180 Then I invite everyone to go to the HHS.gov priority document of Priorities for America.

01:10:39.060 This PDF mentions vaccines 27 times.

01:10:43.960 It does not mention the words chronic disease, diabetes, or obesity.

01:10:49.800 The things that are costing trillions of dollars to the American healthcare system.

01:10:56.480 I mean, 70% of our GDP goes to healthcare, $4.5 trillion a year.

01:11:00.600 And they're trying to essentially jam down our throat that health is found in a syringe.

01:11:07.380 And it's just, again, this has nothing to do with how people feel about vaccines.

01:11:12.080 It is myopic.

01:11:13.660 It's distracted.

01:11:14.900 And when you follow the money, you realize that it is intentional.

01:11:18.260 We can't talk about that.

01:11:20.980 Yeah.

01:11:21.120 Because I think the money piece relates to all of these points.

01:11:24.840 Yes.

01:11:25.220 The one, conflict of interest that people at the CDC and the FDA have.

01:11:28.620 Two, your second point, uncompromised key research that sets the standard for health.

01:11:33.580 Well, we learned from our last conversation.

01:11:35.800 I've listened to Callie too.

01:11:37.340 The research that's being done to justify things like, you know,

01:11:40.840 no more fat in your diet is paid for by interest groups like the sugar industry.

01:11:45.760 And we're being misled and our government has got a hand in it.

01:11:49.080 And then three, to reverse the trends of chronic disease problems.

01:11:52.180 Well, that involves big ag and some of the chemicals they use on our food and so on.

01:11:57.680 And like, it will require somewhat of a crackdown,

01:11:59.740 which is where we worry that even the Republicans have rich donors attached to these industries.

01:12:04.780 So let's take on the money piece of all of this.

01:12:09.600 Yeah.

01:12:09.780 So just to kind of paint the picture here, let's look at NIH, FDA, and USDA.

01:12:17.900 So NIH reported recently that since 2012, there's been 8,000 major conflicts of interest with NIH research

01:12:27.000 with industry interests, so food and pharma.

01:12:29.780 So most of us would think, oh, the NIH works for the American people.

01:12:33.480 The NIH is going to focus on the top-tier priorities to keep Americans healthy.

01:12:37.160 That is not the case.

01:12:38.940 They're working for two customers, industry who's paying the bills and, to some extent, the taxpayers,

01:12:45.200 which are also paying the bills through our taxpayer dollars.

01:12:47.420 But 8,000 conflicts of interest.

01:12:49.100 Then you go to the FDA.

01:12:50.680 75% of the drug budget for the FDA is coming from the pharmaceutical industry.

01:12:54.900 So the people who are regulating the drugs that go into our bodies are being paid for by the drug companies

01:13:01.600 who want those pills and shots to go into our bodies. 0.79

01:13:04.460 Make it make sense.

01:13:06.000 Then we go to USDA.

01:13:08.380 USDA Food Guidelines for America, which determine school lunch programs,

01:13:12.520 which determine what's eligible on SNAP.

01:13:16.060 19 of the 20 people on the 2020 to 2025 USDA Food Guidelines for America

01:13:22.220 had a conflict of interest with the food industry.

01:13:24.880 And the 2025 to 2030 guidelines that are coming up soon,

01:13:30.060 it is astonishing the level of conflicts of interest with food and pharma.

01:13:33.660 You can actually look online.

01:13:35.280 Just look up conflicts of interest.

01:13:37.260 But every player that you'd imagine, ultra-processed food companies,

01:13:41.340 has their hands in paying the people who are on this panel.

01:13:44.560 So that, as an American, I do not like that at all.

01:13:48.640 I want uncompromised researchers making these guidelines.

01:13:51.040 Then you look at medical education.

01:13:52.740 When I was at Stanford Medical School, Stanford just took a $3 million grant from Pfizer

01:13:58.400 for curriculum redevelopment that, of course, all the articles around that time,

01:14:02.580 you can say, this is going to have absolutely no impact.

01:14:05.500 This is a no-strings-attached grant for Stanford.

01:14:08.400 But we all know how relationships work.

01:14:12.340 And I don't even think of it as like, oh, this is bribery.

01:14:14.900 We live in a relationship-based world where when you're in a partnership with a company

01:14:22.800 or someone, there is a more favorable opinion of them.

01:14:25.720 There is more lines of communication.

01:14:28.020 I don't think it's necessarily nefarious.

01:14:29.920 I think we live in a capitalistic society.

01:14:31.600 And this is the way business works.

01:14:33.940 So we need to have a more open conversation about this because, and not even necessarily

01:14:41.440 because industry having its hand in politics and agencies and supporting politicians is

01:14:47.000 a problem in its own right.

01:14:48.280 We need to have a conversation about it because the outcomes are disastrous. 0.69

01:14:53.060 We are sick as hell. 0.95

01:14:54.800 And the trends, like I said, if these graphs continue, we're really screwed. 0.98

01:14:59.620 If the infertility graphs continue, if the opioid deaths continue, if the obesity rates

01:15:06.440 continue, if the diabetes rates, if the prediabetes rates in teens, if the depression, emotional,

01:15:11.080 neurodevelopmental issues continue, very bad, cancer, Alzheimer's, they're all going up.

01:15:18.340 So if this were clean and we were all getting healthier, maybe we wouldn't be having this

01:15:22.100 conversation.

01:15:23.020 But that's not what's happening.

01:15:24.600 It's a disaster.

01:15:25.540 And so that's why we got to talk about some of these root cause issues of why potentially

01:15:30.980 the guidelines we're getting and the way we're practicing isn't as good as it could

01:15:36.480 be because it's muddied with corporate interests.

01:15:39.700 So that's really what this is about is just cleaning it up, making the research clean so

01:15:44.660 that we can hopefully create guidelines and a way of practicing true health care in America,

01:15:50.740 not sick care, not reactive whack-a-mole siloed medicine, but really align all these taxpayer

01:15:57.200 dollars and all these agencies towards the thing that matters, which is American thriving

01:16:01.420 and health, which of course, then will trickle around to the rest of the world as well.

01:16:05.400 If we can crush it here, which we're not, but we can, it could have a huge positive impact

01:16:10.540 on the whole world.

01:16:11.780 So, you know, that's why the money matters.

01:16:14.060 What's going to happen though, what's going to happen, what's going to happen when, and

01:16:18.600 if, um, the seed oil producers turn out to be big Trump donors, you know, I mean, that's

01:16:26.540 where, that's where I get worried.

01:16:28.760 This is what I do know.

01:16:30.620 I don't know the answer to that question.

01:16:32.180 What I do know is that we all have parents and many of us have children and we have siblings

01:16:40.100 and we have friends, no matter who we are, whether we're that head of the FDA, a politician

01:16:46.020 or a mom, we all have people we love and people are getting hurt right now.

01:16:51.800 People are sick.

01:16:52.880 Every one of us knows someone who's had an early, you know, an early surprise cancer who

01:16:57.960 we know someone who's dropped dead from a heart attack.

01:17:00.460 This is becoming so common.

01:17:02.140 And I do believe in my heart that unfortunately, often when chronic illness and preventable

01:17:10.060 illness touches us, it cracks something open.

01:17:13.000 And so my hope would be that we bring some heart to this issue.

01:17:17.620 I mean, we live in a complex capitalistic world.

01:17:20.940 I don't, I think people are fundamentally good.

01:17:23.200 And I think that we're confused and distracted.

01:17:25.880 We've lost touch with our spirituality in this country.

01:17:28.500 And, but fundamentally, I think we have to bring some heart to it.

01:17:32.480 And, and the reason I say that is because I've seen so many people have awakenings this

01:17:36.880 year about what's really going on.

01:17:39.940 Let me tell you something from my, where I'm sitting, forgive me for interrupting you,

01:17:42.960 but I've watched your story, which is very moving.

01:17:47.400 And I, I believe you were deeply affected by the loss of your mother, which was totally

01:17:51.140 understandable.

01:17:51.640 And you write so beautifully about that, what it meant for you when you were losing her and

01:17:56.580 the experiences you and she had.

01:17:58.480 And I think, and I know that you use the psychedelics too, which can also give you like a renewed

01:18:03.160 belief in humanity and our shared connection and our connection to mother earth and all

01:18:06.580 those things.

01:18:07.180 And I, I haven't tried psychedelics, but I'm a big believer because I've seen them help

01:18:10.320 a lot of people who are near and dear to me.

01:18:12.180 But I, my, this is my long windup of saying you're too optimistic.

01:18:16.540 You're too hopeful.

01:18:17.900 I am a cynical news woman who covers Capitol Hill and these politicians for a living.

01:18:23.300 And I do not believe people are fundamentally good over there.

01:18:27.380 I think they want to get paid.

01:18:30.280 I'm very worried about, I haven't looked at it, but I'm sure that there are some big players

01:18:36.680 and, you know, big ag, uh, or big pharma who are big Trump donors who are going to pick up 0.97

01:18:42.760 the bat phone to say, RFKJ is fucking annoying. 0.91

01:18:47.640 And I don't want him cracking down on seed oils or, um, uh, pesticide use or, you know, 0.98

01:18:57.220 processed foods, whatever, take your pick.

01:18:59.600 So that's what, that's where I am.

01:19:01.220 But I mean, I think we have to take it base face value.

01:19:04.420 The words coming out of Donald Trump's mouth recently, Donald Trump is eloquently talking

01:19:10.020 about how he wants his legacy to be turning the tide on American health.

01:19:14.520 I, I believe the energy behind that is real.

01:19:17.500 And I also, like I said, like he's already a billionaire.

01:19:22.080 He has a bunch of grandchildren and a bunch of children who care about health and he can't

01:19:28.220 run again.

01:19:28.940 So there is, I think a really cool nexus of opportunity where he might say, I don't care

01:19:38.300 about, about those donors.

01:19:40.480 He doesn't need donors anymore, actually.

01:19:42.860 Right.

01:19:43.080 Cause he's not running again.

01:19:44.580 So maybe there's a window here where like real change, uncompromised change could happen.

01:19:50.960 I've also seen it firsthand with politicians that, you know, when Callie and I've been in

01:19:55.400 D.C. to speak with Congress, it's beautiful.

01:19:58.500 Like you've got Senator Ron Johnson, a Republican who, you know, has been touched by the chronic

01:20:05.120 disease epidemic, heard our interview with Tucker Carlson and literally picked up the phone

01:20:09.840 and called us and was like, help me learn more about this.

01:20:12.880 Just, just picked up the phone.

01:20:14.140 I think that, what's that?

01:20:16.240 I watched the whole thing.

01:20:17.400 It was great.

01:20:18.500 Yeah.

01:20:18.660 And, and so there's, I think there is something that can happen when people, you know, awaken

01:20:25.500 a little bit and, and fundamentally, I think it's, it's, it's, there's going to be executive

01:20:30.100 leadership from the top.

01:20:31.180 Trump has bought in from what he is saying.

01:20:33.240 He's talking, he's literally said out of Donald Trump's mouth, we're going to get the toxins

01:20:37.420 out of the water.

01:20:38.380 We're going to clean up the food system.

01:20:40.060 We're going to get Americans healthy.

01:20:41.700 He's at the top.

01:20:42.800 So, you know, let's hope that that inspiration stays strong.

01:20:47.740 I believe it can, especially when you see, you know, people, when he's taught, when

01:20:52.640 his acceptance speech, which I hope everyone, you know, has listened to, it's really quite

01:20:56.520 uplifting, um, whether you like Trump or not, it was very sincere.

01:21:00.160 And when he talks about RFK, he said, I'm going to let him run wild.

01:21:03.080 And everyone starts cheering, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.

01:21:05.760 I think Trump hears that like, this is a legacy issue.

01:21:08.720 There's a moment to do it.

01:21:10.080 And I hope he, I think he will stand strong and say, screw the bat phone calls. 1.00

01:21:15.180 Like we're going to move forward and we're going to have an amazing

01:21:17.580 legacy of this presidency of really turning the tide on the chronology epidemic.

01:21:20.880 So I am optimistic and hopeful.

01:21:22.800 That is my personality, but I hear what you're saying too.

01:21:26.160 Yeah.

01:21:26.660 Oh no, I pray.

01:21:27.180 You're right.

01:21:27.560 I pray I'm wrong on this one.

01:21:28.920 Now, what it could go the other way instead of RFKJ having a positive influence on Trump,

01:21:34.420 Trump in the same way, I really thought that my older dog thunder would be a good influence

01:21:39.760 on my next dog, Strudwick, the puppy.

01:21:42.280 It wound up being the reverse.

01:21:43.920 And now thunder just got more and more, you know, problematic in her behavior.

01:21:49.360 She, you know, she, I always say she was perfect until she started hanging out with the wrong 1.00

01:21:53.500 crowd.

01:21:53.960 And then she went downhill and started lying on my kitchen table. 1.00

01:21:56.220 So any who you saw the picture of Trump and RFKJ on the plane eating McDonough.

01:22:05.520 RFK, RFK is just holding it.

01:22:07.880 He looks like a hostage Casey.

01:22:11.520 Have you ever seen someone look so uncomfortable?

01:22:14.200 No, no, it's the funniest picture of all.

01:22:19.100 Don Jr. tweeted out saying, Maha begins tomorrow.

01:22:22.620 I did. 1.00

01:22:23.320 I actually think it's funny because the jerk critics were like, oh, he's a fraud. 0.99

01:22:27.520 It's like everyone, I, everyone has a day here or there or a meal here or there where 0.99

01:22:35.280 they're not entirely proud of what they ate.

01:22:37.840 And certainly if the next president of the United States is sitting there and saying,

01:22:41.040 would you like some? 0.98

01:22:42.000 You're not going to be like, ew, you're gross.

01:22:43.640 But I mean, I also like none of us really know if he ate it.

01:22:48.740 You know, I, I, my, my money would be on him.

01:22:51.440 I already ate a few bites.

01:22:53.020 That's what I heard.

01:22:54.180 Right.

01:22:54.740 And you know, if they're like, yeah, so I, I am guessing he did not house that burger

01:22:58.980 or drink that Coke.

01:23:00.080 Um, but it's just, it's so in my mind, it's so irrelevant.

01:23:04.640 Like we, we know what RFK believes in.

01:23:08.120 He's been talking about this for 40 years.

01:23:09.900 RFK is jacked at 70.

01:23:14.200 He is such an avid outdoorsman.

01:23:17.120 He speaks fluently about regenerative agriculture and soil.

01:23:23.160 And he is spiritually connected to nature.

01:23:26.640 Like he's always hiking.

01:23:28.000 He's teaching on Instagram about snakes and lizards and ravens.

01:23:31.320 It's so deeply authentic.

01:23:33.900 And he has a vision.

01:23:34.940 He believes he has said this, that he is spiritually put on this planet to find a way to serve.

01:23:41.340 And this is the moment to do it.

01:23:42.740 So I look at that photo and based on the hundreds of hours of my life, I've spent engaging with

01:23:48.360 what RFK is actually about through long form, not clips and headlines.

01:23:52.060 Like most people are getting about that.

01:23:53.900 I just don't care.

01:23:56.220 You know, he, and I think when you look at his track record, you know, actions speak louder

01:24:01.560 than world words.

01:24:02.500 Well, for 40 years, RFK has been an environmental lawyer.

01:24:04.900 This is what I would say to anyone.

01:24:05.840 Like this guy has sued Monsanto.

01:24:08.860 This guy has sued GE for PCBs in the water.

01:24:12.840 This guy started the water keepers Alliance to protect our waters.

01:24:16.940 He's clean, he's tried to clean up the Hudson river and so these are, he has gone to battle.

01:24:26.560 I mean, I just feel for him because it's like, it all just gets forgotten, you know, that he

01:24:32.180 has done this work against big, big players.

01:24:36.060 You know, he's, he's worked with the NRDC, the national resource defense council to fight

01:24:41.240 water and air pollution from corporate activities.

01:24:44.280 So all of that is to say that that photo is absolutely meaningless to me because I've chosen

01:24:50.820 to deeply engage with what RFK is actually talking about.

01:24:53.840 And I think the vast majority of people are getting their information from like headlines

01:24:57.940 and sound bites that are coming out of organizations for which 60% of their bills are paid by the

01:25:03.580 pharmaceutical industry.

01:25:04.880 So of course they want to do any, there are trillions of dollars of interests aligned with

01:25:11.580 discrediting RFK and his message about chronic disease reversal.

01:25:16.260 So of course, of course, this photo is being plastered everywhere.

01:25:20.580 You have to be skeptical about everything you're told about him, unless it's from a source that,

01:25:26.180 you know, isn't biased against him.

01:25:27.600 Well, I chose to read it a different way.

01:25:29.260 I chose to read it as he was being polite.

01:25:31.240 He wasn't saying no to the president who was offering him something.

01:25:33.880 Maybe he had a couple of bites just to make it, you know, the same way somebody gives me fish.

01:25:37.080 I'll have a couple of bites or I'll try, even though I cannot stand fish.

01:25:41.320 It's a psychological thing.

01:25:42.220 Back to my Hudson River traumas.

01:25:44.660 Yeah, I know.

01:25:45.460 I know.

01:25:45.980 I read your book.

01:25:46.700 I'm trying.

01:25:47.180 I had salmon the other night just for you.

01:25:49.640 Yeah, I know.

01:25:50.340 I tried it.

01:25:50.960 I try to make myself do it.

01:25:52.880 But then I know it has to be wild caught salmon, but that's really red.

01:25:57.680 That's tough for people like me, Casey.

01:25:59.780 I don't, it scares me.

01:26:01.320 I'm working on it though.

01:26:02.600 And by the way, I did get the carbon filter.

01:26:05.360 I got the reverse osmosis.

01:26:07.980 We've got all sorts of plans in progress over here.

01:26:10.040 Thanks to you.

01:26:11.580 Oh my gosh.

01:26:12.620 I love it.

01:26:13.880 I love it.

01:26:14.700 And everybody else can do it too.

01:26:15.880 All right, wait, we're going to take a quick break and we're going to come back because there's

01:26:18.260 more to discuss, including the New York Times trying to attack RFK on his push to get the

01:26:24.800 artificial ingredients like food dyes out of our kids cereal.

01:26:28.580 Why are they on the wrong side?

01:26:29.880 And also trying to challenge the notions about seed oils that we've been talking about for a

01:26:34.380 couple of years here.

01:26:34.920 We'll get into it with Dr. Casey Means right after this.

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01:27:36.400 Dr. Casey Means, co-author of Good Energy is back with me now, and the audience may remember

01:27:48.220 our discussion with Mark Sisson and Dr. Kate Shanahan and many others.

01:27:55.180 Dr. Casey Means in that last episode about seed oils and what a real problem they are in

01:28:01.800 the American diet.

01:28:03.380 Not so, says the New York Times in a piece just dated a couple weeks ago, 11-9-2024,

01:28:09.660 writing, are seed oils actually bad for you?

01:28:13.140 To their many vocal detractors, they are referred to as the hateful eight.

01:28:17.000 That's Kate Shanahan that she used that term. 0.96

01:28:19.380 Canola oil, corn oil, sunflower oil, and other refined oils made from the seeds of certain

01:28:24.580 plants have become lightning rods of the wellness influencers and some politicians, including

01:28:30.300 RFKJ, saying that they unknowingly poison Americans.

01:28:35.960 The claim that seed oils are ruining our health is especially rankling to nutrition scientists

01:28:42.660 who see them as a big step forward from butter and lard.

01:28:47.180 Decades of research, decades, Casey, have shown that consuming seed oils is associated with better

01:28:53.440 health, said, wait for it, you're a Stanford-trained doctor.

01:28:57.500 Christopher Gardner, a professor of medicine at Stanford University.

01:29:04.600 What do you make of the attempt to rehabilitate the seed oils?

01:29:08.720 Well, first of all, there is kind of this all-out campaign from Legacy and Print Media to create

01:29:15.920 confusion in the nutrition industry.

01:29:17.480 You know, we had that Time article a few weeks ago.

01:29:19.600 What if ultra-processed foods aren't as bad as we think? 0.90

01:29:22.120 This is ludicrous.

01:29:22.920 We know that ultra-processed foods are one of the leading modifiable causes of premature

01:29:27.460 death globally.

01:29:29.620 And so it's very, it's strange.

01:29:32.420 But when I think about seed oils, there's basically five things I think about of why I don't eat

01:29:37.720 them, why I don't touch them.

01:29:39.920 And the first one isn't even about human health.

01:29:42.720 It's actually about environmental health.

01:29:44.420 When you look at these seed oils, which have now become really one of the predominant sources

01:29:49.080 of calories in America over the past 50 years, these are grown with monocrop industrial agriculture

01:29:55.940 on these huge monocrop farms covered in pesticides and takes a lot of these plants to just make

01:30:02.880 small bottles of oil.

01:30:04.180 And over 90% of the canola crops in the United States are genetically engineered.

01:30:09.080 So we're talking about crops that are turned into an oil that are leading to environmental

01:30:14.640 devastation of the soil.

01:30:16.440 So that's number one.

01:30:17.700 The second is just how they're produced.

01:30:20.220 So if you've watched a video of how canola oil is produced, it's nauseating.

01:30:26.240 It's nauseating.

01:30:27.000 And these processes, it's involved like eight to 10 steps, including heating, flaking, soaking,

01:30:35.540 pressing, solvent extraction, bleaching, and deodorizing, heated to really high temperatures

01:30:42.540 using like solvents like hexane, and then put in a plastic bottle to sit on a shelf where

01:30:48.240 they can be oxidized by the light that's being exposed to them.

01:30:51.260 This is in contrast to more natural forms of traditional fats like butter, which involves

01:30:56.980 literally one step churning it or olive oil, which involves basically one step squishing

01:31:03.340 it.

01:31:04.060 So this is just common sense, right?

01:31:06.780 This is ultra processed, chemically refined food that humans have never eaten before.

01:31:12.400 Why would we start to look at this like it's some panacea for heart health?

01:31:16.520 The third thing we know, which a lot of people talk about, they're very high in omega-6 fats

01:31:21.220 and our diets now have way too many omega-6 fats, which are pro-inflammatory.

01:31:25.240 We need some omega-6 fats, but we're now eating like 20 to one, which creates a pro-inflammatory

01:31:29.760 state in the body.

01:31:30.700 They're easily oxidizable and oxidative stress.

01:31:33.420 Let me just jump in because this is what they say in the Times piece.

01:31:38.340 Okay, this is what they say.

01:31:39.940 A large body of research has shown that people who consume more omega-6 fatty acids or who

01:31:45.380 have higher levels of those fats in their blood have lower risks, lower risks for cardiovascular

01:31:50.920 disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, and earlier death.

01:31:55.060 That's a completely controversial statement.

01:31:57.780 That is actually like even in medical school, I learned something different than that.

01:32:02.600 That the huge disproportionate amount of omega-6 fats that we have, and mechanistically, we

01:32:08.340 also understand this.

01:32:09.540 These fats, like arachnonic acid in the omega-6 chain, lead to pro-inflammatory cytokines in

01:32:17.060 our bloodstream.

01:32:18.320 So they've written a lot of stuff about nutrition that's blatantly false, like processed foods

01:32:23.580 being okay.

01:32:24.620 But that one actually goes against what I've learned both mechanistically and even in medical

01:32:29.440 school.

01:32:29.880 So that's very, very strange.

01:32:31.020 Um, they're, they're desperate to rehabilitate seed oils and make us feel like what they say

01:32:35.320 is, look, these, these foods, he says, um, we're eating more of these oils because they're

01:32:39.540 used in ultra processed and fast foods, which make up a larger share of our diets today than

01:32:44.320 they did in the past, said this Dr. Gardner of Stanford.

01:32:46.680 Those foods aren't good for us.

01:32:48.940 He's saying about ultra processed foods and, and, and fast foods, but there's no evidence

01:32:53.040 to suggest that seed oils are what makes them unhealthy.

01:32:56.400 Yeah.

01:32:59.120 So there's a good point there, which is that like, even let's say that the chugging some 1.00

01:33:06.580 canola oil was totally innocuous to our health, which it's not, these are the backbone of ultra

01:33:12.540 processed food in the United States.

01:33:14.420 They're cheap.

01:33:15.200 They're subsidized by the farm bill.

01:33:17.120 So they're artificially cheap and they, you know, a huge place that the farm bill dollars

01:33:24.460 go towards taxpayer dollars is soybeans, which are turned into soybean oil.

01:33:28.960 Um, and they are, so they're artificially cheap.

01:33:31.980 So the ultra processed food companies love them.

01:33:34.280 They put them into their ultra processed food, which are now 67% of human calories that we're

01:33:38.480 eating in the United States that we know are destroying our cellular health.

01:33:42.220 And so there's a fair point there by Dr. Gardner that it's really, it's, it's the context in

01:33:47.560 which they're eating, being eaten a problem is a problem.

01:33:50.780 Um, but also the reality is that 67% of our calories are coming for ultra processed food

01:33:56.200 now.

01:33:56.380 So we need to examine this as like in context of what's happening.

01:34:00.300 Um, but no, I mean, I, for all the reasons I just mentioned, it's not just ultra processed

01:34:04.720 foods.

01:34:04.960 I mean, good luck finding a salad dressing that doesn't have this vegetable oil in it, this canola

01:34:11.220 oil.

01:34:11.660 That's it's very hard.

01:34:13.120 Actually, the olive oil is not the default.

01:34:15.900 Oh, not even close.

01:34:17.360 Cause it's more expensive.

01:34:18.200 It doesn't get the federal subsidies.

01:34:19.580 You, you could buy a chicken breast at whole foods.

01:34:21.560 That chicken breast is at the, at the hot bar or in the deli.

01:34:25.160 It's being cooked with canola oil.

01:34:27.120 Almost certainly.

01:34:28.080 Um, thank goodness for apps like seed oil scout and other things that are helping us be aware.

01:34:33.820 But you know, yeah, I think, um, the fact that a huge percentage of American calories

01:34:39.980 are now are coming from these chemically refined foods.

01:34:42.700 Like this is one of those moments where we need to use not only there's the research that

01:34:48.880 that shows mechanistically that high omega-6 fats cause inflammation in our bodies and our

01:34:53.120 pro-oxidant, but also just use our common sense.

01:34:55.860 It's like, we don't want these things that are bleached and chemically refined with hexanes

01:35:02.440 being a majority of the calories that we're eating.

01:35:05.860 Obviously.

01:35:06.460 Here's the other thing.

01:35:07.160 Let me say this.

01:35:08.120 Try.

01:35:08.760 It's not easy to get seed oils out of your diet.

01:35:10.920 It's not, but it's possible.

01:35:11.920 The first thing you do is go into your pantry and throw away almost everything.

01:35:15.860 Um, but try it for two weeks and see what happens to your body.

01:35:19.240 Just try it for two weeks and see what, I mean, that's what I did after Kate Shanahan

01:35:22.840 came out.

01:35:23.260 I was like, oh my God, I'm thin again.

01:35:26.240 You know, it's like, there I am.

01:35:27.520 I shrunk off that extra layer of inflammation that was all over me.

01:35:32.220 It really makes a difference.

01:35:33.720 So the bottom line is that RFKJ and hopefully the means twins, they're not twins, but your 0.98

01:35:38.940 brother and sister are going to be helping us not have to do this crap. 0.84

01:35:43.560 Like we're not going to ideally have to be so discerning in every single thing we choose 0.95

01:35:48.720 because there will be plenty of ready to grab ingredients on the store shelves that have

01:35:55.740 not been, you know, modified in this way that aren't like cancer in a jar or a package.

01:36:01.900 And it just won't be so hard for people like me and people who have less means than I have.

01:36:07.420 Okay.

01:36:07.880 But wait, I want to, I want to ask you about this too.

01:36:09.820 Two other things quickly.

01:36:10.880 Cause we only have a couple of words, a couple of minutes left.

01:36:13.240 First of all, how, what pasta are we supposed to be getting?

01:36:15.580 Cause it's been very hard.

01:36:16.580 I know it's hard to, you shouldn't be eating the pasta, but the Italian pasta is good for

01:36:20.620 you and they spray all of our wheat with the terrible stuff.

01:36:24.020 So what kind of pasta can we get?

01:36:25.420 That's not terrible.

01:36:26.540 I mean, first of all, no non-organic pasta, whether it's wheat or non-wheat, they've showed

01:36:32.940 that bonds of the chickpea pasta, which is non-organic has huge glyphosate residue.

01:36:36.860 So don't do non-organic pasta.

01:36:39.380 And then I would probably do a, like an organic black bean pasta or a lentil pasta, which often

01:36:45.920 the boxes have one ingredient.

01:36:47.920 It's, uh, there's also amazing lupini bean pasta.

01:36:51.820 Um, there's a brand Kaizen that does that.

01:36:54.260 So, you know, something made of a bean or a lentil is a good option if it's organic.

01:36:59.060 Okay.

01:37:00.740 Secondly, the New York times has this piece, um, talking about how they're trying to fact

01:37:07.940 check RFKJ for saying that the, um, that fruit loops as an example has too many artificial

01:37:19.000 ingredients questioning why the Canadian version has fewer than the U S version.

01:37:22.720 And the New York times in an aha moment, trying to like, I got him rights, but he was wrong.

01:37:29.560 Claiming authoritatively, uh, that in fact, the ingredient list is roughly the same.

01:37:35.740 Although Canada's has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots.

01:37:39.440 While the U S product contains red dye 40, yellow five and blue one, as well as

01:37:43.160 butylated hot hydroxy Tulane or BHT lab made chemical that is used for freshness.

01:37:50.040 That's their fact.

01:37:51.180 It's priceless. 1.00

01:37:52.140 It's like, this is the thing they think we're stupid and Americans. 1.00

01:37:56.500 I mean, you saw how this blew up on social media. 1.00

01:37:58.780 Charlie Kirk posted about it.

01:38:00.040 It went viral.

01:38:00.940 We're not, you know, we can actually, Americans can handle nuance.

01:38:03.980 So, you know, it's like, yeah, similar ingredients, you know, this one just happens to have poison

01:38:09.220 in it, but it's just, it's, but it's the same number.

01:38:11.460 It's also not the same number of ingredients.

01:38:13.080 You just showed it, but you know, let's just, let's just talk about the facts.

01:38:16.280 Red 40, which is banned in many other countries has been linked to attention disorders in children

01:38:21.100 with strong evidence in conventional journals.

01:38:23.660 It's also been linked to cancer.

01:38:25.780 BHT, mutilated hydroxy Tulane.

01:38:27.760 It's a preservative.

01:38:28.560 It's banned in Europe in food, and it's been found to be toxic in animals, may cause liver,

01:38:33.880 thyroid, kidney, lung problems, and act as a tumor promoter.

01:38:36.720 I don't want these in my food.

01:38:38.380 They are banned in other countries.

01:38:40.120 And it's wonderful that RFK is talking about the food system.

01:38:44.260 This is one small part of it.

01:38:45.740 There are actually 4,000 chemicals allowed in our food by the FDA right now, which have

01:38:50.900 many of which have never been tested for safety.

01:38:53.340 So the broader point is we have to start talking about these toxins in our food system

01:38:57.420 on a really big stage.

01:38:59.760 God bless you for doing it.

01:39:01.960 Your interview on Tucker Carlson, I really think it helped change the world yet.

01:39:05.880 Like more and more people saw it.

01:39:07.440 RFKJ was attracted to it.

01:39:09.160 He's been fighting similar fight his whole, his whole life, but it aligned him with you and

01:39:13.200 your brother, and bam, we're off to the races.

01:39:16.660 Can't wait to see what's next for you, Casey.

01:39:19.460 Thanks for being here.

01:39:20.260 Thanks, Megan.

01:39:20.860 Thanks.

01:39:21.560 Oh, it's exciting.

01:39:23.140 Okay, we are back tomorrow.

01:39:24.460 Don't forget her book is called Good Energy with Andrew Klavan.

01:39:27.540 Interestingly, Doug Brunt is interviewing Spencer Klavan over on his podcast today.

01:39:31.820 All the Klavans with us, Kellys and Brunts.

01:39:33.940 We'll see you then.

01:39:36.640 Thanks for listening to The Megan and Kelly Show.

01:39:38.520 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 20, 2024

Mace's Quest to Protect Women's Spaces, and RFK vs. Corporate Media and the Swamp, with Casey Means and Vinay Prasad ｜ Ep. 949

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