The Megyn Kelly Show - MAGA vs. GOP Takes Centerstage, ＂Blind Side＂ Truth, and Our ＂Feminized＂ Society, with Jason Whitlock

00:00:00.460 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.460 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Tuesday.

00:00:16.980 It's debate week and it's happening tomorrow night.

00:00:20.580 In the meantime, President Biden went to Maui finally last night with his wife, Dr. Jill Biden,

00:00:26.100 and he made it about himself again. Seriously, there's something wrong with the president.

00:00:32.120 This is not normal behavior. He started talking about a kitchen fire he had in his home.

00:00:37.940 I'm sorry, you can't make it up. How he could relate to these people who have now,

00:00:44.140 the latest tally I heard was 115 dead. I mean, there are almost a thousand still missing,

00:00:49.320 including children. And he wants to talk about his kitchen fire years ago and how he can totally

00:00:54.420 relate to what they're going through. People are about to reelect this guy. Half the country wants

00:00:59.120 to reelect him. OK, we're also going to get into a story today that I've been obsessed with the past

00:01:05.200 week, but we haven't covered yet. Have you seen all the news about the real life family featured in

00:01:11.420 The Blind Side, the hit book and movie Sandra Bullock won an Oscar for her portrayal of Leanne

00:01:18.360 Tui, the family that took in Michael or and he went on to become a big football star in the NFL?

00:01:25.820 Well, they're basically in a divorce. They're in a very ugly fight. And there's plenty to talk to

00:01:32.320 about that. Our guest is fired up about that story and much, much more. Jason Whitlock is the host of

00:01:37.900 Blaze TV's Fearless with Jason Whitlock. And he's also a columnist at The Blaze. Jason,

00:01:44.280 great to have you back. How are you doing? Awesome, Megan. Thanks for having me.

00:01:48.780 Good to see you. All right. Let's kick it off with presidential politics since there's an excitement

00:01:53.580 in the air as we get ready for the first big GOP debate tomorrow night in Milwaukee, hosted by Fox

00:02:00.400 News. Trump will not be there. And now we officially know who will be there. Let me see. It's one,

00:02:07.600 two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. DeSantis, Haley Pence, Scott, Christy Hutchinson,

00:02:14.300 Burgum and Ramaswamy, who will not be there. Larry Elder, Will Hurd, Michigan businessman Perry Johnson,

00:02:22.020 Miami Mayor Francis Suarez. Most people didn't even know that those people were running.

00:02:26.320 They most likely will not be missed. As I mentioned, Trump will not be there. And that's the true,

00:02:31.080 you know, elephant, not in the living room. The latest Des Moines Register NBC News poll going

00:02:39.160 into this debate, of course, Iowa votes first at the first of the nation caucus, shows that Donald

00:02:44.840 Trump remains ahead, though by a slimmer margin in Iowa than he has nationally. The CBS poll yesterday

00:02:50.840 put him at 46 points up over DeSantis, who was the next nearest competitive 46 point lead. This one

00:02:58.780 shows him with a 23 point lead over Ron DeSantis, 42 to 19. So still absolutely stunning and crushing,

00:03:10.120 but not quite as crushing as he has nationally. And the question is, what are the stakes now for the

00:03:16.840 other candidates going into tomorrow night without the elephant being there, Jason? What do you think?

00:03:22.860 What do you think about it? Well, I'm going to start. I'm going to answer a little different than

00:03:27.580 the question you asked. I want to start by saying that I think the GOP is making a mistake by not

00:03:32.900 having Larry Elder at the debate. And I'm not saying that because I'm some Larry Elder surrogate.

00:03:40.420 I'm saying that they're blowing an opportunity. Larry Elder is talking about issues as it relates

00:03:47.100 to the Black family and the destruction of the family overall in America that needs to be front

00:03:52.800 and center because I think there's an opportunity here. Larry made a bunch of news last week in an

00:03:58.680 interview he did with the Breakfast Club with Charlemagne and DJ Envy, very popular radio show

00:04:07.240 for Black, younger Black people. And Larry Elder crushed these guys. And if anybody watches the hour long

00:04:16.740 interview, you can see that there's a real opportunity for Republicans to make headway

00:04:23.740 with Black voters. And that's why I think it would be important to have Larry on the debate stage. He just

00:04:30.580 absolutely destroyed these guys on the Breakfast Club. And you could hear a conversational turn

00:04:37.380 among Charlemagne and DJ Envy and some woman that they had on named, I think Teslin or whatever,

00:04:44.180 where they are openly discussing their, despite that they don't like Joe Biden, that they don't trust

00:04:52.460 the Democrat Party. Now they're rigged and they have to crush or go against Larry Elder. But I think

00:05:00.520 when I watched the interview, I was like, oh my God, it's finally happening. Black people's eyes are

00:05:05.840 opening that the Democrats are fraudulent. And I just think Larry's important to exposing that

00:05:12.860 conversation. So I wish that there was some way for Larry to participate in this debate. It's a great

00:05:18.260 opportunity for Republicans. He single-handedly switched Dave Rubin over from a lefty to the

00:05:24.460 righty or at least somebody. You could see Dave Rubin's eyes come open with like, oh my God,

00:05:28.460 what do you mean? Because Larry Elder is a fact machine. He's a fact machine. And what I love about

00:05:35.880 the way he persuades people is he doesn't just use sweeping rhetoric. In fact, he uses no sweeping

00:05:41.080 rhetoric. He just provides the evidence. He's got the data at the ready on any controversial issue.

00:05:47.660 It's the way to win arguments. I wish more in the GOP field would do this, but they say he didn't

00:05:53.680 qualify. I think he's disputing that. So maybe something could happen before tomorrow night.

00:05:58.620 Yes, I agree. He would be a great addition. But in any event, it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

00:06:02.680 Um, I, I mean, I think that you tell me, but I think no one's going to take out Trump just by

00:06:09.940 talking about him in absentia. But I do think everyone on the stage tomorrow night will have

00:06:14.620 much to gain, right? Like if Ron DeSantis could have some sweeping moment or some pummeling moment

00:06:20.480 of one of the opponents up there, it could help him, right? He's been sort of floundering, um, as

00:06:26.620 the guy who was supposed to be the standard bearer. And now every piece of news about him since he

00:06:30.660 launched has been terrible. Uh, Vivek Ramaswamy, he's done very well for himself, but you know,

00:06:37.740 he could be hurt tomorrow because the only reason nobody's laid a glove on him is no one's tried.

00:06:42.060 No one's really cared about him yet. Right. But now he's going to be under the national spotlight

00:06:45.420 and he could get hurt. Uh, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, they haven't made any impression really.

00:06:50.820 So it's their chance to do something. Chris Christie, he's got to decide who's his focus. Is it Donald

00:06:56.160 Trump still, or are you going to go after Ron DeSantis now that he's out there?

00:06:59.820 He's technically the leader, though, not by much of those who are going to be on stage.

00:07:04.140 So what, what would you like to see tomorrow night?

00:07:07.340 Well, I think only two people matter, Vivek and Ron DeSantis. And DeSantis matters the most,

00:07:14.560 but the guy that in this election cycle may have the most impact other than Donald Trump is Vivek,

00:07:21.940 because I think he's revealed a strategy that I wish Ron DeSantis had embraced. Don't attack Donald

00:07:30.220 Trump. There's no win there that you're not as, as someone who would have to be considered a Trump

00:07:37.740 supporter. You're not going to move me off Trump, uh, by attacking him. I've heard all the attacks.

00:07:45.060 I don't care about any attack. I care about whether or not there's any other candidates,

00:07:51.380 any other people who can help Donald Trump, uh, drain the swamp and, and get rid of politics

00:07:59.620 as usual. And that's why Vivek has landed so strongly with me. And I don't think anybody's

00:08:06.020 going to lay a glove on Vivek because he's going to talk circles around all of them. I think this

00:08:11.500 guy, young guy is brilliant and unique and has chosen the right strategy of like, he's not wasting

00:08:19.680 time attacking Trump. He, he, it's a mistake. Uh, and so Vivek to me is a strong candidate to be

00:08:27.960 a vice presidential candidate for Donald Trump, part of Donald Trump's cabinet. If Donald Trump wins

00:08:33.480 the nomination and wins elections or wins the election, Ron DeSantis, if he had not attacked

00:08:42.080 Trump in any way, don't get baited into an attack with Trump and just had focused on, Hey, look,

00:08:48.440 some people talk a good game. I actually execute a great game. Here's what I did in Florida. Here's

00:08:55.960 what I'm about. Here's where I think the country needs to go. But I would have stayed away from any

00:09:01.760 attack of Trump, Trump supporters. What do you call, what do you call them? Something about

00:09:06.220 listless vessels? Well, maybe, maybe not. We'll play the soundbite and get into it in a second.

00:09:11.920 But you don't like the comment. No, I just, no, because there's just no win there.

00:09:17.540 Donald Trump, despite all of his flaws and he's got plenty of them, he's, he's like, he's been

00:09:24.360 jumped into, I'm going to give you a gang analogy, but he's been jumped into the gang. And, you know,

00:09:29.900 he's, I don't care about his flaws. I don't care about his, when he misspeaks. I don't care about

00:09:37.240 mean tweets. All I care about is like, Hey man, this guy has taken a lot of hits for people like

00:09:45.260 me. And, and, you know, I want to be clear. I'm not crying broke or poor or any of that. I'm not,

00:09:50.840 but my, my background, my worldview is very working class because of my parents. My mother

00:09:57.380 was a factory worker. My dad was a factory worker before he opened a bar basically for working class

00:10:04.120 black people. And Donald Trump's America first, bring back manufacturing jobs, resonates and

00:10:10.560 speaks with me. And the MAGA crowd resonates and speaks with me. I'm, and again, this is where I think

00:10:16.880 the Republicans seem reluctant to be, become totally the party of the working class and really

00:10:25.180 go after that and just be comfortable with that brand and with that constituency. And if they did,

00:10:32.920 they could bring more black people into the tent, uh, if they embrace that fully. And, and, and that's

00:10:40.820 what I think Donald Trump has done despite all the criticism and all the claims that he's a racist

00:10:45.100 and he's this and that, that's all silly talking points that just don't land and resonate with

00:10:50.900 anybody. So I would just avoid attacking Donald Trump. That's not saying he's flawless, but that

00:10:57.200 is saying, Hey, the guy has been jumped into the gang. He's taken all the beatings. Uh, he he's one of

00:11:04.980 us for better. One of the reasons people continue to love Trump is he's funny. He's, he's genuinely

00:11:12.000 funny. He makes you laugh. And somebody who makes you smile and laugh,

00:11:15.100 it's hard to really detest. The Democrats don't seem to understand this. Um, I'll give you one

00:11:20.160 example. So he, in connection with this Georgia indictment was forced to post bond and it's just

00:11:27.500 so absurd. The reason they want you to post bond in a criminal case, if they want you to post bond

00:11:32.640 is that you don't flee so that you don't, you know, abscond to Mexico or Brazil and never returned

00:11:39.040 for trial. The absurdity of suggesting that's what Trump is going to do in Georgia is apparent to

00:11:44.820 anybody who's got, you know, a brain in their heads. So he sends out this post on his truth

00:11:50.400 social network. I've got to read the whole thing. It's just so good. He writes, um, okay.

00:11:57.040 The failed district attorney of Fulton County, Atlanta, Fannie Willis insisted on a 200,000 bond

00:12:02.640 from me. I assume therefore that she thought I was a flight risk. I'd fly far away. Maybe,

00:12:08.060 maybe to Russia, Russia, Russia, share a gold domed suite with Vladimir never to be seen or heard

00:12:13.520 from again. Would I be able to take my very understated airplane with the gold Trump affixed

00:12:19.140 for all to see? Probably not. I'd be much better off flying commercial. I'm sure nobody would recognize

00:12:25.400 me. He's exactly right. Like, what are they? They're talking about mugshotting him down Atlanta

00:12:33.300 bail so he doesn't abscond. This is a joke, right? But the fact that he can mock that what's happening

00:12:41.040 to him, you know, a criminal case that actually could see him behind bars is part of the reason

00:12:46.160 why people are very loyal to him and love him in part because of these indictments. That latest CBS

00:12:53.480 poll, I mentioned, reflected people say, I support him because of these indictments.

00:12:59.440 The more they persecute him, the more I'm loyal to him. The more rocks they throw at him,

00:13:06.120 the more they pile up and he can stand on top of those rocks and become even bigger.

00:13:11.760 This is why I just think he has, the GOP has a great opportunity through Trump to really break

00:13:18.140 the stranglehold that the Democrat parties have on Black voters because he's just becoming more and

00:13:25.380 more relatable the more they persecute him. You know, not me, but a lot of Black people love to

00:13:31.900 lean into their victimhood and they can resonate with the fact like Donald Trump's being unfairly

00:13:37.940 persecuted and treated here. Come on. I mean, everybody can see through these joke indictments

00:13:46.020 and these very politicized indictments. And so his persecution, I think, is just making him more

00:13:52.520 likable, more embraceable. And he's just increasing my it's increasing my loyalty to him.

00:14:00.300 OK, now let's spend a minute on Vivek. You mentioned he's a sort of rising star within

00:14:05.300 Republican politics. He's never governed. He's only 38, but he's made a billion dollars or so

00:14:10.380 in the pharmaceutical industry as a young lawyer out of Yale Law School who just had smart ideas and

00:14:17.540 knew how to execute them. This is his first foray into politics. And he's been going a different

00:14:23.760 route. He will go on adversarial media. You know, he'll speak to anybody. He'll go on, you know,

00:14:28.560 leftist TV programs and so on. He's been caught caught, you know, seen on camera rapping Eminem,

00:14:35.400 you know, sort of seems younger and a little bit more vibrant. However, I believe he misstepped

00:14:43.160 with the following video, Jason Whitlock. You tell me. He put out a tweet yesterday that he was

00:14:48.520 doing debate prep. And this is the video, sir. He is not wearing a shirt. He is playing the tennis.

00:14:56.200 He is naked from the waist up. I got problems with this, Jason.

00:15:01.660 And I'm not sure this is the way I tweeted back at him. Vivek, where is your shirt?

00:15:10.220 I think that Vivek and Robert Kennedy are trying to message to the world, hey, look,

00:15:20.360 these old guys, you need someone young and vibrant. And we are it. We're still in shape.

00:15:28.380 We're not Joe Biden. It clearly needs to be on a walker. And, you know, to some degree that

00:15:35.600 Vivek taking his shirt off and playing tennis is as harsh a criticism as he's going to level

00:15:41.140 with Donald Trump. It's like, yeah, Trump goes around on a golf cart and plays golf. But,

00:15:46.980 you know, can he do this? That's about as harsh a criticism as he's going to have.

00:15:50.640 But all these unconventional things that Vivek is doing, I like. Because, again, I don't like

00:15:57.220 politicians. I don't like career politicians. I'm instinctively suspicious of them. The only thing

00:16:03.800 that's ever interested me about Trump was that he was not a traditional politician. He's very

00:16:09.640 authentic. He doesn't act presidential. And so you go into a process that, yeah, I want him to act

00:16:17.160 presidential. But the politicians have become so fake and so off-putting to me that I like the

00:16:23.820 unconventional. And so Vivek, Robert Kennedy, and Donald Trump are unconventional candidates

00:16:30.720 that didn't, you know, again, Trump had no political experience before becoming president.

00:16:36.940 RFK, I don't think, has held political office. And Vivek hasn't. I like that.

00:16:41.640 I would submit to you that this is more of a shot at Chris Christie than at Donald Trump.

00:16:49.260 Sorry. All right. So DeSantis, you mentioned it and we sort of glossed over it, but we're going to

00:16:56.900 get to it now. So he has been on getting raked over the coals by Trump supporters for a comment he made

00:17:03.760 to Will Witt, who's been on this program drinking his raw milk. We like Will. And DeSantis

00:17:09.960 made a comment to him that I don't I know the Trump supporters don't like it. I don't see it as

00:17:17.780 untrue. I'm not sure that I'm taking it the same way they are. However, CNN got raked over the coals

00:17:24.280 by DeSantis supporter Ken Cuccinelli. He runs the DeSantis Super PAC for it. I'd love to get your take

00:17:30.600 on it. So here's how we're going to do it. I'll play you the full the full soundbite because we here at

00:17:35.140 the MK show do not take the clips out of context doesn't doesn't mean they're not controversial

00:17:40.020 in context. We'll let the viewers decide. But here is what DeSantis said that's leading to some trouble.

00:17:47.640 There'll be people who are huge Trump supporters like in Congress who have like incredibly liberal

00:17:53.860 left wing records that that's really just atrocious. And yet they're viewed as by some of

00:17:59.340 these folks as like as like really, really good. Then you have other people, you know, like a

00:18:03.340 Congressman Chip Roy, who's endorsed me, Congressman Thomas Massey. These guys have

00:18:08.340 records of principle fighting the swamp that are second to none. And yet they will be attacked by

00:18:14.320 some of these people and called rhinos. And ultimately, a movement can't be about the

00:18:20.780 personality of one individual. The movement has got to be about what are you trying to achieve on

00:18:26.500 behalf of the American people? And that's got to be based in principle, because if you're not rooted

00:18:31.840 in principle, if all we are is listless vessels that just supposed to follow, you know, whatever

00:18:37.440 happens to come down the pike on truth social every morning, that that's not going to be a durable

00:18:42.180 movement. OK, so he said it in the context of ripping on some congressmen who he thinks are to,

00:18:49.960 you know, go with the wind, whatever Trump says is right, as opposed to principled conservatives.

00:18:54.000 That's that's that's a way in which he said it. But it sounded too sweeping for many MAGA supporters.

00:19:02.200 Then you get CNN in an interview with Cuccinelli. Right. Which which you'll hear the way that they

00:19:09.860 set it up and him calling them out in soundbite three. Governor DeSantis talked about Trump supporters.

00:19:17.720 He used the word words listless vessels. Hold on. I'm going to play it for everybody and then you

00:19:24.800 can go ahead. Let's listen. A movement can't be about the personality of one individual. If all

00:19:32.240 we are is listless vessels that just supposed to follow, you know, whatever happens to come down

00:19:36.880 the pike on truth social every morning, that's not going to be a durable movement. Everybody just saw

00:19:43.000 there that there was a cut. You cut from the beginning of that quote to the listless vessels.

00:19:49.200 You just did what the problem is. Hmm. I'll give you my take and then I'll listen to yours. I think

00:19:56.620 that was a bullshit cut by CNN. I do think people can they're smart enough to make up their own minds

00:20:01.460 on whether he was speaking about all MAGA, all Trump supporters, or whether he was speaking about

00:20:06.720 it in the context of these congressmen who they decide are rhinos only because they dispute some of

00:20:12.180 Trump's positions. Right. Like he was saying in the setup, you've got these congressmen who they

00:20:18.160 think are the true, you know, true conservatives who will just do whatever truth social says.

00:20:23.420 And then you've got others who are principled like Massey, who are great, like committed

00:20:28.060 conservatives who will get called rhinos just because they don't follow Trump. And he was saying

00:20:32.780 you can't build a movement on that. You can't just be a listless vessel who goes along with whatever

00:20:37.600 you read on truth social in the morning. To me, it seemed more focused on the people who

00:20:42.460 are following these congressmen. But I could be wrong. In any event, as a newswoman, I would never

00:20:46.840 have set it up the way they did on CNN. I think Cuccinelli was right to call her out. CNN is always

00:20:51.840 looking to make any Republican look the worst possible, whether it's DeSantis, Trump or whomever.

00:20:58.480 But I have seen the the ire of MAGA online over the past few days in response to this clip. So

00:21:03.720 having seen the full thing, how do you feel about it?

00:21:08.120 Uh, I think in the clip you played and the clip CNN played, I think has been fair to Ron DeSantis.

00:21:17.400 I interpreted from the clip, the full clip you play when you start saying, hey, we're not just

00:21:24.040 listless vessels waiting for whatever comes down on true social. What you're saying is, hey, we're not

00:21:31.700 listless vessels just taking our commands from Donald Trump. And so I get why MAGA people are upset and

00:21:41.220 saying, oh, this guy's arguing that we can't think for ourselves. And we have this idolatry with Donald

00:21:48.420 Trump. And some people do. But I think Ron DeSantis is is forgetting he signed up for politics and to be

00:21:58.740 a politician. And then when you want to provoke a movement to put America first, to drain the swamp,

00:22:08.260 as a politician, sometimes you do have to morph yourself into a representation of that movement.

00:22:16.020 And so it's going to be about more than just your principles and values. It's going to be how voters

00:22:22.980 see you and connect you to the movement. And so there's just a deep belief among MAGA supporters

00:22:30.340 that Trump represents the movement. He's the only one who's willing to take these bullets

00:22:36.660 for representing them and their voice. I like Ron DeSantis. I like what he did in Florida. But he wants to

00:22:48.420 detach himself a bit. And hey, I'm not the face of a movement. And he wants to live in a safe space

00:22:57.300 where Donald Trump is playing the thing very high risk. And I say this in all seriousness. And it's like, hey,

00:23:06.660 look, politics is a blood sport. You know, presidents get assassinated. Presidents get shot at. Presidents have

00:23:16.180 their reputation smeared in reprehensible ways. And so to me, what I hear from Ron DeSantis is

00:23:25.620 he wants a little distance. He wants to play it a bit safer. He doesn't want to be seen as the face

00:23:31.940 of a movement that is clearly scaring the establishment and has the entire criminal justice system and this

00:23:40.420 lawfare that's being played against Donald Trump. Let me ask you, let me, let me, because Ron DeSantis,

00:23:48.180 he's many things, but like running to a safe space would not be on my list for him. I mean, he's,

00:23:53.860 you know, his Parental Rights and Education Act, which he's taking so much flack for down in Florida.

00:23:59.220 He signed a six week ban on abortions, which most of these other Republicans criticized him for.

00:24:05.140 Um, he's taken on, you know, fight after fight down in Florida against these sacred cows,

00:24:11.220 like Disney's one of them. He doesn't seem like somebody who's not afraid to fight the COVID.

00:24:16.500 He fought, he was aggressive, he was more aggressive than Trump was. So he, he's not,

00:24:21.220 he's not a safe space guy. He, you could, you've got problems with DeSantis, but the safe space is not

00:24:25.460 really apt in mind. I do think he's not afraid to fight, but I don't think he wants to be in every

00:24:33.060 fight. And I don't blame him. If I had two young kids and a young wife, there's a level of the fight

00:24:39.860 that I might be more resistant to than an 80 year old man. Who's, you know, most of his kids are grown.

00:24:48.660 Uh, and look, whether it's true or not, Trump has created the impression that he's willing to pay

00:24:56.420 whatever price there is for upsetting the establishment and American history says the

00:25:02.020 price for upsetting the establishment could cost you your life. And, and so there's a belief among

00:25:07.940 Trump supporters. He's willing to pay that price. And, and I'm not sure if, uh, Ron DeSantis is,

00:25:16.260 and that's not a critique of him. That's like, Hey man, this dude's a father and he takes being a

00:25:20.580 father seriously. He's got young kids. And so when I look at RFK, this is what I like about RFK.

00:25:26.580 I've had him on the show. I've seen him do interviews. RFK knows the price. Having lost

00:25:32.340 his father, having lost his uncle, he knows the price that he could pay by taking on the military

00:25:38.980 industrial complex, taking on the CIA, the FBI things. He knows what the price is and he doesn't

00:25:46.260 care. And so I respect that. And it don't, we can't get upset that there are other working class

00:25:54.820 MAGA supporters that are like, yeah, Ron's not all the way about this life. He's a great politician.

00:26:03.380 He's done great things in Florida. He certainly is courageous in comparison to most politicians,

00:26:10.740 but we're living in a very unique time, uh, where, where the state, again, you have a former

00:26:17.060 president that's had four bogus indictments brought against him. The Democrats see intent on putting him

00:26:23.860 in jail. And, and, and it just feels like to MAGA supporters and to me. And again, I like Ron DeSantis

00:26:31.140 would have no problem if he was president of the United States, but I'm not sure if he's all in

00:26:36.980 it. I get it. Here's, here's what I'll say. Oh, just FYI, uh, Santa says three, three young kids,

00:26:44.020 but, um, I think what you're getting at. And I actually think what DeSantis was trying though

00:26:50.580 in artfully to get at is the difference between MAGA and conservatism, you know, MAGA and the old

00:26:58.500 Republican party, right? Like I can, I believe it upsets Ron DeSantis when you call him a rhino.

00:27:05.700 He doesn't like that. He doesn't think that's true. He thinks he's a true Republican conservative.

00:27:12.820 And he, I don't think he would say he's MAGA, but he is a conservative Republican.

00:27:19.300 And so he doesn't like when somebody like, uh, Thomas Massey or somebody, you know, like him,

00:27:24.580 like DeSantis is dismissed as a rhino. And he's trying to say like, these guys in Congress don't

00:27:31.540 deserve that label. They're probably in his mind, a proxy for him. That's what he's trying to say.

00:27:35.940 I am not a rhino and that's a bullshit criticism, but you're kind of like, okay, you're not a rhino,

00:27:41.940 but you're not MAGA and you shouldn't be running, trying to convince us you're MAGA.

00:27:46.660 We're not going to elect you for being MAGA. We can see you're not MAGA. I mean, is that basically it?

00:27:52.340 Yeah. And that is my standard. That's why I like the vague. He's not afraid of the MAGA label.

00:27:59.940 That's why I like Larry Elder. He's not afraid of the MAGA label. The Republican Party,

00:28:05.940 just like the Democrat Party, there are those of us that believe they must die in order for America

00:28:12.260 to be safe. The establishment, the typical politician. This is what the Trump supporters

00:28:17.460 believe. And this is why his support is so strong in the polls. Keep going.

00:28:20.660 Yeah. It's got to go. They've been making just as much, if not more money from insider trading

00:28:27.860 and being bought off by China as everybody else. And so, yeah, he wants to defend the Republican

00:28:33.620 Party and rhinos or what, not even rhinos, but just the Republican Party and conservative.

00:28:38.580 I don't want a conservative. I don't want a Republican. I want someone who honestly wants

00:28:45.780 to fix things. I want someone that's not afraid to say I'm MAGA. If I'm willing to say, and again,

00:28:53.300 there's no true consequences for me, but again, when I see people languishing in jail over January 6th

00:29:00.420 and the price they're paying for supporting Donald Trump and for wanting our elected officials to

00:29:08.100 actually listen to the will of the people, they're willing to pay a price. If Ron DeSantis, again,

00:29:15.300 there's a movie, I've made this comparison probably for the last year about Donald Trump.

00:29:20.020 There's an old movie called Blood In, Blood Out. It's a gang movie. And that's where we're at right now.

00:29:27.380 It's blood in, blood out. If you're not willing to go all the way in, I really don't want to be bothered with you.

00:29:34.580 Hmm. That's fascinating. I think like some of this is reflected in the latest polls and the latest

00:29:41.620 numbers that continue to confuse hardcore Republicans who don't like Donald Trump.

00:29:47.140 You know, they would vote for him, but they don't want him. Never mind the left. Just to go over a

00:29:52.340 couple of them because we haven't yet gotten to them. The CBS poll I referenced, Trump has 62. The next

00:29:57.620 closest is DeSantis with 16. It's a crusher. It's a 46 point lead. Top reasons for considering Trump.

00:30:05.700 Things were better under Trump. Ninety nine percent say that fights for people like me. Ninety five

00:30:10.740 percent believe that feel what they tell you is true. Seventy one percent say they feel that way about

00:30:17.940 Trump. And only sixty three percent say they feel that way about their friends and family, that they

00:30:23.060 tell you what is true. Now, this has people on the left like Joe Scarborough, who once called himself

00:30:27.700 a Republican, utterly confused, saying it's a cult. It's a cult. It's a cult. You know, they believe

00:30:33.140 Trump more than they believe their own family members. But it's it's much more complex than that.

00:30:40.020 It's it's like I don't know if truth is actual truth or if it's just a surrogate for

00:30:45.460 like Ben Shapiro was saying yesterday, authenticity like it's they don't necessarily believe everything

00:30:52.020 Trump says. It's just that they feel like he is a reliable messenger who will fight for the principles

00:30:57.780 he says he'll fight for. Like he more than anybody else really will try to fight for these things,

00:31:04.580 whereas others will cave, whether it's China, whether it's the wall, none of which was perfect,

00:31:09.300 none of which was perfectly executed when he was president, whether it's standing behind conservative

00:31:13.860 justices and so on. They just believe him more than they believe the other candidates.

00:31:19.700 And I don't know what's wrong with their family members that they're not believing.

00:31:22.660 But here's Joe Scarborough. We hold your thought because I want to play Scarborough's reaction to

00:31:26.820 this just to get a flavor for the other side sees when they see that poll. There are really no good answers

00:31:35.460 except, you know, the question is, is it a cult? Nearly 30 percent more people

00:31:43.860 blindly follow their cult leader, Donald Trump than their own religious leaders. That's like,

00:31:52.900 please don't tell me about how this is a Jesus thing. It's not a Jesus thing. It's a cult thing.

00:32:01.780 The religious leaders had they believe 42 percent believe what their religious leaders tell them is

00:32:06.260 true again versus Trump's 71 percent. Go ahead, Jason. Well, as it relates to the religious leaders,

00:32:11.780 I'm glad you brought that up. That's because religious leaders have sold out and they don't

00:32:17.300 stand on biblical values. They don't stand on truth. They opened up their churches to the whole LGBTQ pride

00:32:26.900 movement and all that. And so the religious leaders have thrown away their credibility with a great

00:32:35.780 segment of their congregation. But I just think that people, Joe Scarborough, Ron DeSantis, everybody's

00:32:48.180 going to have to deal with where we are right now. There's a set of values that Trump seems to

00:32:56.340 represent and a set of values that really connects with the American people that we are in dire,

00:33:04.580 dire times when teachers are clearly trying to groom kids into a sexual lifestyle. When our borders are wide

00:33:19.060 open and they're just allowing people to come in at record numbers, we're at a chaotic time where we're

00:33:28.820 willing to overlook, because where Trump is really weak with me is on the COVID vaccine and Operation Warp Speed.

00:33:38.420 But I have to, and trust me, it really, really bothers me that he won't back down off the vaccine and

00:33:46.100 course correct and perhaps admit that he's wrong. That's his ego. It really, really bothers me. And so I

00:33:52.580 get that criticism of some people of him about that. But he's the only guy that I authentically believe

00:34:01.460 would try to do something about illegal immigration, would try to do something about

00:34:07.780 in some ways to bring manufacturing jobs back here to America so that working class people have access to

00:34:20.980 the American dream. I stand on the shoulders of factory workers. All the success that I have is on

00:34:27.860 the back of my parents and their friends as factory workers, as working class people. And that's all been

00:34:33.220 taken away. And not everybody wants to go to college. Not everybody wants to have some suit and tie job.

00:34:44.100 There has to be a way for people like my parents and their friends to provide for their kids. And that's

00:34:50.020 all been taken away. And we think, or I think, Donald Trump is the only person that's really committed to

00:34:58.260 fixing those problems. And so I'm going to have to swallow his ego as it relates to the COVID vaccine

00:35:05.220 and rip my teeth and take it. But this whole thing that it's a cult. No, man, it's a bunch of people

00:35:12.500 have figured out that most of the people in the media have sold out. They've been lying to us ever since

00:35:20.180 Kennedy was assassinated. And people are just tired of it. And so Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski get

00:35:26.740 on TV and they're all upset. We can't control what the public thinks. And we can't break the ties and

00:35:34.180 the loyalty they have to Donald Trump. It's because we forget you're the liars and you don't have our

00:35:40.180 best interests. You've been bought and paid for. You're millionaires. You don't care about working

00:35:44.340 class people. Screw you. Yeah. Okay. So I will say this. I think I won't, I won't say it. It's

00:35:51.780 necessarily true of all the Republicans, but I do believe Ron DeSantis would stand up with the things

00:35:56.380 that you just listed. However, it's not the end of the inquiry. It's like telling a wife or let's say

00:36:03.260 a girlfriend where there's not like the commitment of a marriage. Okay. You like your guy. But I have

00:36:09.980 another guy who would take you out to dinner, who would have a nice job, who would treat you right

00:36:15.600 at night, who would be a good father. And you look at the other guy and you think, oh yeah, I believe

00:36:21.160 he would do all those things. But I like this guy. I don't know. But I like the guy I'm with. He's

00:36:27.060 whatever. He's better looking. I've already had the experience with him overnight. And I'm not looking

00:36:32.520 to trade this guy in. Sorry. That seems to me the more of the dynamic. It's like, but like you said,

00:36:38.740 I like Ron DeSantis, I'd probably be happy with him as president. But you're loyal to Trump. You've

00:36:44.480 already kind of, forgive me, but like fall in love with Trump. That's how large factions of the

00:36:50.900 Republican Party feel. And it's an impossible dynamic for these other GOPers. And no one's

00:36:57.520 figured out how to break it. I don't know that it's breakable. I think. You know how many people

00:37:01.760 have thrown away a great relationship because they think the grass is greener?

00:37:06.980 I certainly have. I've made. And so I just think people have seen traditional politicians

00:37:14.700 sell out. And that's, that's not, I'm not suggesting that Ron DeSantis has sold out,

00:37:21.060 but he's a politician and that's what they do. And I like the fact that Trump's not a traditional

00:37:26.200 politician. I like that RFK is not. I like that the bank's not. I like that Larry Elder's not.

00:37:31.840 Yeah, no, I hear you. I hear you. Um, that it is attractive though. I maintain Vivek should have

00:37:38.760 put that jerk back on. I didn't need to see that. I don't need to be thinking about my possible next

00:37:43.200 president without the shirt on. And I will say RFKJ, he's a little bit more in shape than Vivek. So

00:37:50.000 Vivek, come on, you need to hit those tennis balls a little bit more often.

00:37:54.140 Let me say, if Vivek were here, if Vivek were here, Megan, what he would say is in, in, in all

00:38:02.480 good spirit is like, Hey, Megan, someone could complain. Look how good you look. That's a

00:38:08.140 distraction, Megan. You should tone it down. Look how good you look. That's just a distraction. I

00:38:12.840 don't want, I just want to hear about politics. I don't want to be thinking about how good making

00:38:16.540 a little more ripped in the midsection, Jason, I would not be complaining, but Vivek did not,

00:38:22.480 he was not in the shape to take off that jerk. That's it. I'm stealing the final word.

00:38:26.340 We're squeezing in a break. I'm coming right back. Jason Whitlock's with us for the full show.

00:38:34.200 Okay. So Jason, uh, the president finally was shamed into visiting Maui, the site of the worst

00:38:40.220 wildfire disaster in America in the past century. And, um, it didn't want to go was vacationing in

00:38:47.240 Rehoboth beach in Delaware, then parlayed that into a vacation, uh, in Lake Tahoe. And only when

00:38:54.720 he started to get hit repeatedly, did he decide. And after saying no comment, when we asked, do you

00:38:59.880 want to say anything about the deaths in Maui? No comment. Um, finally decides he's got to go out

00:39:05.280 there from Lake Tahoe. So he goes out there arrives for a short time yesterday evening. And as we knew

00:39:12.560 he was going to do, we had predicted this on the show yesterday, he once again made it about himself.

00:39:19.620 You know, it's one of the lessons of grieving. When you are grieving a loss, you do not want to hear

00:39:24.900 that somebody else had a loss too, and therefore totally understands what you're going through.

00:39:30.120 Just, just say, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Be kind, be, be loving, but don't start telling your

00:39:37.500 own sob stories. Just stop it. Especially as a president of the United States, they don't want

00:39:42.680 to hear it. He did it with the Afghanistan gold star families. Uh, when those 13 service personnel

00:39:47.560 were lost, he lied about the loss that he had suffered on Beau Biden, allegedly dying in Iraq.

00:39:53.040 And he does it all the time. So he goes out there again, worst wildfire losses we've seen in terms of

00:40:01.120 loss of loss of life in American history. And he goes out there and starts talking about a house fire

00:40:07.740 he suffered in his kitchen in which no one died or was hurt in 2004. Sound bite one.

00:40:17.700 I don't want to compare difficulties, but we have a little sense, Jill and I,

00:40:24.060 what it's like to lose a home. Lightning struck at home on a little lake. Make a long story short,

00:40:30.600 almost lost my wife, my 67 Corvette, and my cat. But all kidding aside, they ran into flames,

00:40:43.600 saved my wife and saved my family. Not a joke. We were insured. We did not have any problem.

00:40:53.160 But being out of our home for better part of a year was difficult. I can only imagine

00:40:59.700 what it's like to lose your home. Okay. No part of that is true, apparently. It doesn't seem like

00:41:08.800 one word of that is true. Highlights from the actual 2004 Associated Press report at the time

00:41:14.320 of the fire are as follows. It was a, quote, small fire that was, quote, contained to the kitchen.

00:41:20.240 Quote, no one was injured. Firefighters arrived to find heavy smoke coming from the house,

00:41:25.260 but were able to keep the flames from spreading beyond the kitchen. Fire company chief George

00:41:30.620 Lamborn. Luckily, we got it pretty early. The fire was under control in 20 minutes.

00:41:35.260 Nothing about running in to save the wife, to even mention the damn cat and Corvette in the context of

00:41:42.320 115 people are dead with hundreds more missing, including children, is grossly insensitive.

00:41:49.620 And he thinks he can get away with it by prefacing the remark with, I don't mean to compare tragedies,

00:41:56.320 but I'm going to do exactly that. He's got cognitive issues, clearly. And how they impact

00:42:03.300 him as president is he can't be prepped. Normally, you'd have handlers come in, give him some talking

00:42:11.080 points, give him some reference points, things like that. But he can't be. His cognitive issues are so

00:42:18.360 serious that he can't be prepped. And that's why they try to keep him away from situations and

00:42:23.900 environments they can't control, where he can't just be speaking from a teleprompter. And so when

00:42:29.680 given an opportunity to just kind of speak off the cuff, Joe does what he's been doing probably for

00:42:37.500 the entirety of his political career. He just kind of freelances and exaggerates and says, you know,

00:42:45.300 kind of silly things. And, you know, he's gotten away with it. I mean, this has been his entire

00:42:53.860 career. You know, you can go back even when he would probably have more cognitive skills than he

00:42:58.960 does now. He's been prone to exaggeration and lie and just kind of freelancing things and no one

00:43:06.460 really cares. Well, now that he's president of the United States, you know, half the media doesn't

00:43:12.120 care again. Joe Scarborough, very comfortable talking about the cult around Donald Trump. But

00:43:18.780 what any Biden supporter at this point has to be a member of a cult. There's no rational person that

00:43:26.980 can't see this guy has no business being the president of the United States. He shuffles when

00:43:33.700 he walks, he falls down repeatedly. And he, when not speaking off teleprompter, even when speaking on

00:43:41.220 teleprompter, he makes a complete and utter mess. So it's not surprising. And it's, I'm not even sure

00:43:50.280 if it's a big deal at this point, because we know that he's not really the president,

00:43:54.880 that he's just there, and that there are other people actually making the decisions.

00:44:01.880 You know, it reminds me, Jason, of the, clearly he's been told, don't compare difficulties. Don't

00:44:08.540 do that. Stop doing the thing with Beau Biden. Stop bringing up your, the loss of your first wife

00:44:13.180 at everybody else's tragedy. Keep it about them, not about you. And he can't do it. But to me,

00:44:18.400 it reminds me of, you know, elderly people who, you know how, like, they keep going over the same

00:44:25.480 stories of their lives. They sort of have their top 10 that they tell you about a lot. And that's

00:44:34.040 what he keeps doing. And this is like a little sad in any elderly person, but it's not acceptable

00:44:42.240 when that elderly person is the leader of the free world and is asking for a second term in which,

00:44:48.800 like a true rebel, he will only get older. And so he did it not once, but twice yesterday at a

00:44:55.240 separate stop in Maui. He then went back to the loss of the first wife and his daughter, which of

00:45:01.440 course was a tragedy. It happened 50 years ago and is not appropriate subject matter for this visit.

00:45:10.500 But here he was again yesterday in Maui. Take a listen. I got a phone call saying from my fire

00:45:17.000 department and the young first responder kind of panicked, you got to come home. There's been an

00:45:22.100 accident. So what happened? He said, your wife, she, she's dead. Come home, come home.

00:45:28.840 The tractor trailer had broadsided her and killed her in a car accident along with my little daughter.

00:45:36.320 And I remember all the way down from Washington home, wondering what a lot of people here wondering,

00:45:44.200 what about my two boys? How are they? They were in the car. The difference between knowing somebody's

00:45:49.080 gone and worrying whether they're available to come back are two different things.

00:45:55.220 You know, it's amazing. He's reading. He had somebody write that. That was a planned

00:45:58.560 remark. And in the New York Times, I think it was wrote it up like he often uses the story to show

00:46:05.000 empathy, you know, applauding him for it. They think it's appropriate, I guess.

00:46:08.220 Imagine if Joe Biden were president during Hurricane Katrina and had done something similar, the level

00:46:19.580 of outrage the New York Times and the mainstream media would have. And that's what I find, you know,

00:46:27.880 fascinating, disappointing, just unhealthy about where we're at is like, this happened in Maui,

00:46:35.880 if it had happened in New Orleans or Chicago and it happened in a inner city community and black people

00:46:43.960 were affected. One, Joe Biden would probably be trying to do better and sound more authentic and

00:46:52.000 concerned. But also, if he made these same types of blunders, there would be people calling him one of the

00:46:59.300 worst, most despicable people on the planet and Kanye West.

00:47:02.580 Right, he's so insensitive.

00:47:04.140 Yeah, he'd be, you know, he don't care about Samoans we'd be hearing from Kanye West or whatever.

00:47:09.700 But, you know, this will all go away because, you know, the victims aren't the right color and the

00:47:16.740 media is all in the bag for, for Joe Biden. It's, we just, I look at this stuff and I look at the

00:47:25.540 media reaction and I, man, we, we somehow just turned this magical place in the clown world.

00:47:32.900 And, and I'll just circle back to, uh, I just have a belief that only Donald Trump gets us

00:47:42.660 moving in that clown world.

00:47:45.200 This is like this, this really could come back to haunt him because this level of

00:47:49.460 insensitivity is likely to be repeated and it's not a good thing for him. All right,

00:47:53.780 Jason, stand by one more break. He stays with us and we'll be right back.

00:48:01.140 I've been dying to get to this controversy. It, it has so many people talking because we

00:48:05.300 all saw the blind side. I mean, it's like millions of people have seen the blind side and enjoyed the

00:48:10.600 story. Um, I confess, I didn't know that it was just one long racist trope as now I'm learning from

00:48:17.060 places like Salon and slate. Um, you're racist too. If you enjoyed it, um, it's about the white

00:48:22.780 saviors. That's why you're not allowed to like the blind side. Uh, but as it turns out, it's not

00:48:27.180 just slate that didn't like the blind side. Michael or did not like the blind side. Uh, the young man

00:48:33.300 who's featured in it and whose life story is portrayed in both the book, uh, by Michael Lewis and

00:48:38.280 then the movie that was based on the book. So just as a refresher in that movie, the Tui family,

00:48:44.700 which is important to note was already very wealthy. Uh, they had made millions off of a

00:48:50.720 fast food chains. They own like taco bells and some other ones, um, decided to take in Michael

00:48:57.920 or who was from to put a charitably a broken family, uh, and was in foster care and to become

00:49:05.120 his legal guardians. Um, and the, the nature of that relationship will become relevant in the

00:49:11.120 dispute that we're now going to talk about, uh, and helped him and he played football and

00:49:15.760 he wound up getting drafted. He went to the NFL and, um, seemed like a loving, wonderful

00:49:22.200 story up until about two minutes ago when Michael or came out and started ripping on the

00:49:29.300 family and is now actually going after them. So he, I, he also released a book this month,

00:49:35.700 just, just, just so people understand. Um, but in, in the context of that as well, he's commenced

00:49:41.660 a petition in probate court where, uh, he is claiming that in fact he was tricked into signing

00:49:50.940 a document, making the two, he's his conservators, not his adoptive family. And that gave them legal

00:49:58.940 authority to make business deals in his name, but he complains that he never received any sort of

00:50:05.820 payments for the blind side and that, uh, to his chagrin and embarrassment, uh, he was lied to by

00:50:14.140 the two E's. They've enriched themselves at his expense, uh, and that he wants something like

00:50:21.320 hundreds of thousands of dollars from them in, and maybe more actually that he says that they received

00:50:27.080 millions of dollars and he received nothing for the rights to his story. Uh, the two E's are denying

00:50:33.500 it. Jason saying really none of this is true. He, he was well aware of the nature of the legal

00:50:39.300 relationship, that it was a conservative ship, wasn't an adoption. He was over 18 and that they

00:50:45.840 split the monies from the blind side five ways, evenly amongst their family and that they continue

00:50:51.040 to love him. And they seem rather confused about what he's doing here. So what's your take on it?

00:50:56.500 Well, I think that Michael Orr's, uh, own words written in his own memoir in 2011 contradict

00:51:06.940 a great deal of this narrative. Uh, he, and I, I've read his 2011 book, I beat the odds. I've re-read

00:51:16.100 the blind side. I've re-watched the movie, the blind side. I've watched the interviews he's done.

00:51:22.620 And so in 2011, he wrote in his own book that they had entered into a conservatorship and that he

00:51:31.280 didn't really care because all it meant was that he knew he was a part of their family. And so to now

00:51:37.140 come out in 2023 and pretend like you're just discovering I wasn't adopted. I'm in a conservatorship.

00:51:42.940 It's just a flat out lie. It's dishonest. And so I think a lot of this, 90% of it, 98% of it,

00:51:54.080 maybe a hundred percent of it is all driven by the fact that Michael Orr is at a crossroads. He's been

00:52:00.940 out of the NFL for five, six, seven years. Uh, he's 37 years old. Uh, I think he's written in his new

00:52:08.060 memoir that just came out in the past two, two or three weeks that, you know, he struggled with job

00:52:15.160 and career and depression. And so I think this petition is part of a publicity campaign for his

00:52:24.060 new book and part of a campaign that he would love to see a Netflix or Amazon prime or some, uh,

00:52:33.520 movie studio out in Hollywood commission a sequel to the blind side, the real blind side,

00:52:40.620 the new Michael Orr. And he wants to profit from that. He wants to sell his book and he wants to

00:52:46.820 negotiate a better movie deal that makes him the champion and more of the hero of the blind side.

00:52:54.720 And he thinks the book and or a movie made of him, uh, this is just, uh, a frustrated

00:53:02.840 former athlete, uh, doing something I believe very unethical to enrich himself and to enhance his

00:53:10.900 brand. It's sad. Hmm. That's so fascinating. So you're right about the book. Um, in 2011,

00:53:18.100 his memoir, I beat the odds, he writes that the two, he's told him about the legal conservatorship.

00:53:26.300 And he writes, quote, since I was already over the age of 18 and considered an adult by the state

00:53:30.180 of Tennessee, Sean and Leanne would be named as my quote, legal conservators. They explained to me

00:53:36.060 that it pretty much means the exact same thing as adoptive parents, but that the laws were just

00:53:40.020 written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. My mother

00:53:45.580 was going to be at the hearing to agree that she supported the decision to have the two is listed

00:53:49.300 as my next of kin and legal conservators, legal conservators. Um, but now he's claiming he didn't

00:53:56.340 understand that. He didn't know that he thought he was adopted. Okay. So that that's clearly not

00:54:01.320 true. Um, the two is have hired the illegal gunslinger out in Hollywood named Marty singer,

00:54:09.720 who you hire him when, you know, you really want to fight. He represents all these celebrities

00:54:15.320 who are, they sue for defamation, et cetera. And he put out a statement, which I'll on their behalf,

00:54:21.100 which I'll read just in part, he writes the notion that a couple worth hundreds of millions

00:54:25.960 would connive to withhold a few hundred thousand or a few thousand dollars in profit participation

00:54:30.960 payments from anyone, let alone from someone they loved as a son defies belief. In reality,

00:54:37.120 the two is open their home to Mr. Orr offered him structure, support, most of all, unconditional love.

00:54:41.240 They have consistently treated him like a son and one of their three children. His response was to

00:54:46.460 threaten them, including saying that he would plant a negative story about them in the press

00:54:50.420 unless they paid him 15 million. The evidence documented in profit participation checks and

00:54:57.500 studio accounting statements is clear. Over the years, the two is have given Mr. Orr an equal cut of

00:55:03.360 every penny received from the blind side. Even recently, when Mr. Orr started to threaten them

00:55:09.580 about what he would do unless they paid him an eight figure windfall and as part of that shakedown

00:55:14.740 effort, refused to cash the small profit checks the twoies gave to him, they still deposited Mr. Orr's

00:55:20.800 equal share into a trust account they set up for him and goes on and on. From there, he's defiant.

00:55:29.620 He maintains these are bad people who really didn't help him as much as the movie portrayed.

00:55:34.480 Here's a little bit of that when he gave an interview on August 14th to the Jim Rome show,

00:55:40.340 SOT 11.

00:55:40.720 I think the biggest for me is, you know, being portrayed, not being able to read or write.

00:55:50.720 Second grade, I was doing plays and for the front of the school. And I think that's one of the,

00:55:57.320 when you go into a locker room and your teammates don't think you can learn a playbook, you know,

00:56:01.940 that weighs heavy on someone. Before I moved in with the family, I was an All-American. That's what I

00:56:08.660 want the generations behind me to see in this book right here, to understand that you don't have to

00:56:13.860 come have someone save you and rescue you to go out and be successful. You.

00:56:21.260 As you're playing right into this white savior thing, you know, like that they're not,

00:56:24.920 they're not my saviors. I did it all on my own.

00:56:26.840 Listen, the, in his book, I beat the odds. He states very clearly that he didn't like the movie,

00:56:36.920 but that he liked the book, The Blind Side. And that's what made me go, okay, well, let me go

00:56:42.220 reread The Blind Side to refresh my memory. And, and, and so if he, there's no way you can like the

00:56:50.180 book, The Blind Side, and then have a problem with the movie. The, the book is far more descriptive

00:56:57.740 and detailed about the struggles that Michael Orr faced when he moved into the Tui's home.

00:57:05.000 He's according to this book that he says he likes and all the provable facts. He moved into the Tui's

00:57:11.760 home, I believe in February of 2004. He was not an All-American football player at that time.

00:57:18.000 He had played one year of football the year before. They played him on the defensive line

00:57:22.160 that year. The coach didn't really know what to do with him. He wasn't all that aggressive.

00:57:26.760 And when he moved in with them in February, 2004, Michael Orr thought he was going to be a

00:57:34.520 basketball player. He's six foot five, 300 and some odd pounds at that time. And, and Sean Tui,

00:57:41.140 the dad in February, he's writing small colleges, trying to get, because Sean Tui's background is

00:57:49.640 basketball. He was a point guard at Ole Miss. He's trying to get small colleges to recruit

00:57:54.840 this six foot five, 300 pound kid to see if he can play small college basketball. No one, the Tui's,

00:58:00.960 when they moved him in permanently into their home, they weren't thinking this was some future NFL

00:58:06.260 player that was going to be worth millions of dollars. They thought they had a kid who needed

00:58:11.200 help just to get his life on the right path. These are all verifiable facts recovered in the blind

00:58:18.180 side. This whole notion that I was an All-American before I moved in, this notion, again, he's very

00:58:24.820 careful with his wording. Oh, they said I couldn't read. Then he says, I was doing plays in the second

00:58:33.000 grade. He didn't say, I was reading in the second grade. He's saying I was doing plays in the second

00:58:39.720 grade. If you read the blind side, the Tui's, when they moved him in, and even before they moved him

00:58:46.220 in, he could not read and he'd have to do book reports. And so Sean and Leanne would spend nights

00:58:53.960 reading aloud books to him so that he could do book reports. They hired a tutor, Miss Sue,

00:59:01.920 to help catch him up. When he moved in with them, I think his GPA, according to the book, was a 0.06.

00:59:10.000 And this is a junior in high school, a 0.06. His IQ was at an 80. The GPA, the IQ level,

00:59:19.400 none of them would have qualified him to get into this Briarcrest school, this private Christian school.

00:59:24.800 Look, he couldn't read. They had to read to him. They invested a lot of time, money, and energy

00:59:33.160 trying to catch Michael back up because Michael had been so neglected by his mother, who was addicted

00:59:40.460 to crack cocaine, had no real relationship with his father, who I believe was in and out of jail,

00:59:45.860 and then eventually died. I think when Michael was 17, 18, 19 years old, he had been abandoned by his

00:59:52.320 father. He and his 11 siblings used to routinely come home, find the door locked because their

01:00:02.740 mother was going on a crack cocaine binge with her friends. And so she would lock them out of the house.

01:00:08.200 She would be someplace else on this cocaine binge. And they came to expect, well, this is going to

01:00:14.680 happen every couple of two or three months. She's going to go on a cocaine binge, and we're going

01:00:18.680 to have to go sleep on a friend's floor and beg for food. And all of a sudden, this young man had

01:00:24.280 been so neglected that by the time the Briarcrest Christian School, the Tuohys and other members of

01:00:31.380 that school administration got a hold of him, he had been so neglected that it was a total

01:00:37.560 reclamation project that the entire school and the Tuohys went on out of their Christian beliefs,

01:00:44.080 not out of some belief that like, oh, man, this guy's going to be in the NFL and worth a bunch of

01:00:48.240 money. First of all, these people already had money. Michael thought he was going to be a basketball

01:00:53.920 player, wanted to be a basketball player. Sean Tuohy is trying to help him be a small college

01:00:58.620 basketball player. This wasn't a money grab by the Tuohys. Much of what he's saying is just

01:01:09.080 dishonest, or certainly has the appearance of dishonesty based off of what he said in his own

01:01:15.620 book, what was written in the Blindside book that was, I believe, published in 2006. And the movie

01:01:22.420 is a very fair portrayal of Michael Orr. And then to pretend like, oh, I got to the NFL and guys

01:01:29.980 watched the movie and thought I couldn't read and learn a playbook. No one thinks that. That's

01:01:35.000 dishonest. You were an All-American football player at Ole Miss before you had to study and learn a

01:01:40.860 playbook then. Let's say they did have those questions. You played in the NFL for one year

01:01:46.620 with the Baltimore Ravens. Well, he played at a high level his rookie year. Everybody's over that

01:01:53.960 hurdle. Of course he can learn a playbook. The Tuohys sent that Miss Sue to Ole Miss to tutor this

01:02:02.860 young man and to walk him through college for all four years. People went to great lengths to catch

01:02:11.220 this kid up. This is one of the most despicable, ungrateful acts I've ever seen. It doesn't

01:02:19.560 surprise me because the one mistake I would say the Tuohys made, but again, they have their own kids

01:02:25.820 who want, their daughter was the same age as Michael and they had a younger son. This kid needed major

01:02:33.580 therapy and still needs major therapy to this day. The kind of neglect he experiences for the first 15

01:02:40.940 years in life. Well, it takes a lifetime of therapy to overcome that. And he's still struggling with

01:02:47.160 it. He's a broken person who is trying to hurt the very people who helped him the most.

01:02:54.340 And it's only being encouraged by these radical leftist media sites who love the, see, they're not

01:03:02.140 white saviors narrative, which I'll talk about in one second. First, just a flavor of how the family

01:03:07.020 feels about Michael. This is a sound, soundbite from, um, SOT means sound on tape for those listeners

01:03:11.840 who sometimes get confused. SOT 10, you can hear the family talking. Um, I think Michael's in this

01:03:16.960 too, about him being part of the family. Do you look at him and think of him as your son?

01:03:22.320 He thinks I birthed him. It's gotten to the point where I think I birthed him. He takes great offense

01:03:26.700 if people don't think that he's, you know, a part of the family. He was Michael and I was Collins and

01:03:32.320 we went about our everyday life and he was my brother. And that was that. I mean, I cannot

01:03:36.760 imagine life without Michael.

01:03:40.100 Sean Jr. and Collins, they act like I was a part of the family. So they welcomed me with, you know,

01:03:44.940 open arms. You're this white woman from one side of Memphis. Michael's a black kid from the other

01:03:49.240 side of town. Were you conscious of that though, when you're meeting this kid and you're beginning

01:03:52.800 to befriend him? I mean, you, had you done anything like this before? It had nothing to do with

01:03:56.920 what color Michael was or how big he was. He was a child that had a need and it needed to be filled.

01:04:04.400 You said it took a year before he really gave you a big hug or a serious hug?

01:04:08.880 Well, I hugged him a lot. I'm real touchy-feely. I go to each child's room every night and kiss

01:04:14.120 him goodnight and hug him. And I did that just to Michael like I did the other two. And, um, it was

01:04:19.720 just kind of not much of a response for a long time. And then finally, one night, it was just as random,

01:04:26.600 you know, I said, night, honey, love you. See you in the morning. And I got a love you too.

01:04:31.580 And I went outside the door and I was like, wow. I said, we have moved mountains.

01:04:38.260 Hmm. What a difference a decade makes the messaging from Michael or very different than

01:04:43.680 he participated in in that interview with Deborah Roberts.

01:04:46.400 Listen, these people who I'm sure are flawed, like all of us, uh, have some sincere Christian

01:04:56.240 beliefs. The other thing that this whole white savior thing that the media has concocted

01:05:02.500 before they ever met Michael or the wife had graduated from this Briarcrest Christian school.

01:05:11.860 coach. I think she was in the first graduating class, maybe in 1978. My memory may be a little

01:05:16.520 bit fuzzy. Uh, but the father was a volunteer basketball coach who made it a point long before

01:05:23.140 Michael or to connect with any of the black kids that came to Briarcrest, particularly if

01:05:29.760 they were poor, that was what he was known for. And it's because of his whole worldview and

01:05:38.020 his basketball experience at Ole Miss and growing up, he grew up poor working class in new Orleans.

01:05:46.820 He had all kinds of black friends. And, and so it was part of his growing up poor. That was part of

01:05:53.700 his connection to Michael is he felt like he could relate and he wanted to provide, uh, Michael the

01:06:00.020 the opportunities that he himself, Sean was denied as, as a young person, but he had done this with

01:06:07.060 other kids at Briarcrest, not moved them in, but have helped them, uh, before Michael or ever got on

01:06:14.260 their radar. Also, I mean, this is what really tears me up about the way the media is portraying this story.

01:06:20.900 His wife grew up, Leanne Tui grew up in a very racist home. She admits that her father was a racist.

01:06:32.980 She's walking down. The father's walking her down the aisle at her wedding. And all of Sean's black

01:06:41.300 friends are there. And the father says to her as he's walking her down the aisle, why are all these

01:06:47.380 niggers here? That's the, where she comes from. And Sean being a Christian and a believer gave her a

01:06:56.980 completely different worldview on race than what her father and family had given her. And it became a

01:07:03.300 part of their mission to be different than perhaps other people in Mississippi, what, what she grew up

01:07:10.740 with. And she embraced that mentality, saw Michael and took Michael into her home as, as her own child

01:07:19.380 and tried to give this young boy the love that his Michael or writes in his own book that his mother,

01:07:26.580 not once in life ever told him she loved not once that no, he had 11 siblings. They never told each

01:07:35.700 other. They loved each other. This is in his own book. This family out of their sincere Christian

01:07:41.300 beliefs, tried to provide that love and support for him. And now they're being demonized and we're

01:07:46.820 turning this into a negative story. And, and, and it's almost like white people, rich white people,

01:07:53.220 they can't win either way. They see a Michael or don't, don't be involved with him. That's,

01:07:58.340 that's the white savior syndrome. If they do get involved with it, uh, you know, then they can be

01:08:04.980 ripped and criticized because they don't do everything perfect. This is crazy. The messaging

01:08:10.260 from the media and from what Michael or is doing is like telling wealthy people, regardless of color,

01:08:16.660 but particularly if you're white, do not get involved. It's not worth the risk. It can all be

01:08:22.580 turned and used against you. Look what happened to Colin Kaepernick and, and, and the white couple that

01:08:29.460 did adopt him and the movie he put out where he's taking pop shots at them. These young people

01:08:36.420 have been so radicalized by social media and, and so academia that, that you got to find your

01:08:44.100 victim of, you got to demonize white people. It is despicable and outrageous the way this story has

01:08:53.700 been covered, the way these people have been demonized. And that's not me saying they're

01:08:57.860 perfect. I'm sure they have false, but could you imagine you got a 17 year old daughter and you're

01:09:05.460 bringing an unraised six foot five, 300 pound young boy into your house. It doesn't matter what color he's

01:09:15.380 in. I got a 17 year old daughter. I'm not bringing an unraised eight. I'm not even a,

01:09:22.100 I'm not bringing any boy. That's not my son into my house with my 17 year old daughter,

01:09:27.540 who's a cheerleader. It's just not happening. These people made great sacrifice to great risk.

01:09:33.620 And it's all being a dump being taken on it. So we can play some social media, political,

01:09:41.540 racial game that leads to just destruction and divisiveness. It's despicable.

01:09:49.140 Gosh, you're so you're so articulate about this issue. Yes. I hear you espouse the thoughts. I'm

01:09:54.340 like, yes, yes, yes. This is all what's bothering me about it. But I wasn't able to put it into words.

01:09:59.460 The it reminded me, by the way, Matt Walsh had a good tweet on it, too. Apropos of what you just said,

01:10:04.100 he wrote after eight years of Barack Obama and all those BLM riots and George Floyd funerals,

01:10:09.860 we've arrived at this moral guidance. Let the black teenager on the side of the road freeze to

01:10:14.180 death. Don't help him or you're a racist. And and some of the media highlights I'll offer to the

01:10:21.060 audience just to underscore it. This is from an MSNBC op ed. The Blind Side isn't the only film

01:10:27.220 that gets things wrong. All white savior movies do. They rip on, for example, Dangerous Minds with

01:10:33.700 Michelle Pfeiffer. This is they say the the or or's lawsuit is an indictment of sorts against the

01:10:39.780 two is it is just as much an indictment of movie audiences that over and over again lap up stories

01:10:45.700 about white people saving some downtrodden black person or some downtrodden group of black people.

01:10:51.700 The white public craves feel good stories that portray them as heroes more than accurate stories

01:10:57.860 that portray black people as complete and complex human beings. They're dehumanizing is what they're

01:11:03.620 saying. Then they go on to say it's not just the white savior films that are problematic,

01:11:08.420 but the ones that they can also double, quote, as the, quote, magical Negro flick where the black

01:11:16.420 character, such as the one Michael Clark Duncan played in the Green Mile or the one Whoopi Goldberg

01:11:22.020 played in Ghost is there to help white characters become the best versions of themselves. That's

01:11:28.820 not OK either. Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost as somebody who could help the grieving widow communicate with

01:11:35.860 her dead husband. That's somehow racist to NPR ads. The blind side drama just proves the cheap,

01:11:44.260 meaningless hope of white savior films. Forbes with the blind side lawsuit teaches us about allyship

01:11:50.980 and white saviorism. Of course, let's not forget Robin DiAngelo in white fragility, excoriating this

01:11:58.420 particular film, the blind side as fundamentally and insidiously anti black. Little did they know, Jason,

01:12:06.660 but this I mean, maybe some of this got in Michael or his head to, you know, maybe he's been influenced by

01:12:12.420 this group. Of course, of course it has. And listen, here's the mistake that Michael or is making

01:12:19.780 it. And obviously the media is making this life. The blind side isn't a story simply about Michael

01:12:29.780 Orr. Sean and Leanne Tui, it's about their life too. It's a group of people. They're kids. It's about

01:12:39.060 their life too. Michael Orr thinks that movie is only about him. And it's not. And it was never intended

01:12:46.980 to be just about him. It was about a group of people and how their lives collaced and ended up

01:12:54.820 helping Michael Orr. But the movie does not paint Michael Orr in a bad light. It paints him in a

01:13:03.780 realistic light. He was a kid in need of a lot of help who accepted that help and ran with that help.

01:13:10.660 But to sit here and to pretend like there is no movie without Michael Orr overlooks the fact there

01:13:17.780 is no movie without Sean and Leanne Tui. Because without Sean and Leanne Tui, this book may be

01:13:26.420 renamed The Green Mob. Because the stats on what happens to kids that are abandoned and treated the

01:13:33.780 way that Michael Orr is, they end up in jail or dead. And so you remove the Tui's and it's a very

01:13:40.580 different story. It may be Shawshank redemption. Who knows? And Michael Orr knows that because he wrote

01:13:47.060 it in his own book, I Beat the Odds. The other thing that's really infuriating is Michael's contention,

01:13:55.860 like, oh, I didn't financially benefit. And basically what he's saying is, I don't like the

01:14:01.620 deal they cut. I should have made more money off this movie. That's basically his argument. And

01:14:08.420 people are going with that. Well, here's what they're overlooking. Michael Lewis, who wrote the book,

01:14:14.980 went to high school with Sean Tui. They're lifelong friends. There would be no book written about Michael

01:14:21.140 Orr or The Blind Side. And The Blind Side book wasn't solely about Michael Orr. It was an analysis

01:14:27.300 of the NFL and left tackle position that Michael and the Tui's were the human interest part of the

01:14:33.460 book. But anyway, it doesn't happen without Sean Tui's relationship with Michael Lewis. Fox,

01:14:41.780 20th Century Fox, declined to make, they bought the movie and then declined to make it. You know who

01:14:48.820 made the movie? Sean Tui's next door neighbor, Fred Smith, the CEO and founder of FedEx.

01:14:55.940 They talked to him. And so it's a very small production company that made The Blind Side.

01:15:02.180 And so Sean Tui's high school buddy, Michael Lewis wrote the book and his next door neighbor

01:15:07.700 financed the movie. No one knew that the movie was going to be a success. This was a great risk.

01:15:14.900 Michael Lewis didn't get rich off of it. No one did. Everybody took a little small

01:15:18.340 percentage just in case. Megan, you and I both know, and most people with common sense know,

01:15:24.260 most movies don't, no matter how good they are, they don't make the money. And so there is no great,

01:15:31.940 oh, I'm going to get rich. That's why all these writers are on strike right now. Because

01:15:37.140 the movie companies, they make most of the money. There was no great deal for Michael Orr to cut or

01:15:45.380 the Tui's to cut, basically because everybody knew this movie was going to be a success.

01:15:50.900 This was Sean Tui using his relationships to help get a book written and a movie made. And his family,

01:16:00.980 including Michael, got to participate in a little bit of the financial success of it. But it just

01:16:08.260 doesn't happen without the Tui's. None of it. The tutors that taught Michael to read, that got him

01:16:15.460 through college, got him through high school. The book doesn't get written. The movie doesn't get

01:16:19.620 made. But Michael Orr is sitting around there saying, look what I did. I'm not getting enough

01:16:25.620 credit. This was all about me. And the movie should have been all about me and the money should have been

01:16:31.540 made by me. And let's ignore the fact that other people, the Tui's, just as important, if not more

01:16:39.380 important in this story. But we're all racist or I'm a sellout for not thinking this is solely about

01:16:48.260 Michael Orr. It's crazy. As I mentioned, Sandra Bullock won the Oscar for portraying Leanne Tui in 2010.

01:16:55.380 I think we've got that video and there. I saw an article online. Another great point on that, too.

01:17:01.700 She's getting blowback for playing the character now. Some people saying she should give back the

01:17:07.060 Oscar. Now, Sandra Bullock is mourning the the recent death of her partner who died young.

01:17:14.260 It's just need this nonsense. This is bullshit. Michelle Pfeiffer. She's listed as one of the bad

01:17:19.780 people because she started didn't start in Dangerous Minds. That was about a white teacher. She

01:17:23.860 who she played teaching African-American and Hispanic-American teenagers in this inner city

01:17:28.340 high school. They also in the MSNBC piece rip on cool runnings loosely based based on the 1988 Jamaican

01:17:36.180 bobsled team where black Jamaicans want to form a national bobsled team and are helped by a white

01:17:42.180 former bobsledder play as played by John Candy. They even rip on to kill a mockingbird where a white

01:17:49.940 attorney played by Gregory Peck defends a black man falsely accused of rape. He loses the case,

01:17:57.860 but is applauded by his noble effort. This is actually the wiki list of white savior movies

01:18:04.660 just referenced in MSNBC's piece. So there's no winning. Right. Sandra Bullock, she's racist. Michelle

01:18:10.500 Pfeiffer is a racist. I guess Gregory Peck is a racist. Why? Because they either helped black

01:18:18.020 people or decided to portray white people who helped black people. The Sandra Bullock thing is

01:18:24.500 insensitive and mean and absurd. All of it is absurd. Jason. Yeah. Atticus Finch. He's evil as well for

01:18:32.260 helping Tom Roberts and I. I've read to kill a mockingbird probably five times. But anyway, as it

01:18:38.740 relates to Sandra Bullock, and this is what Michael or doesn't get and the people that are caping up

01:18:46.260 for him don't get. So in the movie, Michael or is a 17, 18 year old, six foot five, 345 pound kid. And he's

01:18:56.900 wondering why he's not the biggest superstar of this movie. Sandra Bullock plays Leanne Toohey.

01:19:05.540 The reason why you can get a mega star like Sandra Bullock to play Leanne Toohey because it's a grown

01:19:11.540 woman and Leanne Toohey was attractive. And so they got an attractive Hollywood actor, superstar to play

01:19:17.780 her role. That's why her role is more iconic. How many six foot five, 340 pound black actors are there

01:19:26.420 out in Hollywood? Or let's say they don't have to be just six foot one, 300 pound actors out in

01:19:32.660 Hollywood who could play an 18 year old and make that character the iconic character of the movie.

01:19:40.260 It's just the facts dictate how the movie plays out. They wanted it fronted by a major star. One of the

01:19:47.460 reasons 20th Century Fox didn't do it is because Julia Roberts turned down the lead role and they felt

01:19:53.860 like, well, without Julia Roberts, are we sure the movie came in? Fred Smith and, you know,

01:19:59.380 the finance, I think it's Alcon, the small production company of finance. They got Sandra Bullock,

01:20:05.060 nice star. She plays this iconic role. It makes her career. She wins an Oscar. There was no

01:20:12.740 300 pound black actor that was going to take Michael Orr's role. I guess, you know, they could have

01:20:19.620 got found the male version of Precious. And it's just comical. The lack of common sense, the lack of

01:20:32.820 understanding of how Hollywood works, the movie industry works, how do you become a star and all

01:20:39.060 it's just all thrown out the window because Michael Orr is black and there's some white people that need

01:20:43.620 to be demonized and we can throw all the facts out the window. And and it's it's a damn shame

01:20:50.580 what this movie is normal. It's the way now white women are being demonized if they marry a black

01:20:56.180 man like that's that's just you working out your white supremacy. OK, what if I just fell in love

01:21:01.140 with a black man? What if I'm not a white supremacist? What if I just love this black man? No, that's your

01:21:05.940 white supremacy. The white couples who adopt black children like Amy Coney Barrett, remember during her

01:21:11.780 confirmation hearing and you had Ibram X. Kendi suggesting this is part of white colonization.

01:21:17.060 She saved two kids from Haiti and orphanages. No white supremacy. Two is same. Sandra Bullock's

01:21:26.260 like I forget it. It's just it's so jumped the shark in terms of its absurdity. And thank you for for

01:21:33.700 putting into words what a lot of us have been feeling but are not are less able to articulate.

01:21:39.140 Well done, sir. Stand by much more with the one and only Jason Whitlock right after this.

01:21:46.820 So, Jason, you tweeted something out about the NFL that caught my eye, even though, you know,

01:21:52.180 I don't follow sports. This was interesting. Apparently there was an injury on the field

01:21:57.620 in Green Bay, Wisconsin that led to the shutdown of the game. They terminated the game early,

01:22:06.500 which is incredibly rare. And you had a strong reaction to it. Here's your tweet. Football died

01:22:16.500 Saturday night in Green Bay, Wisconsin, when New England Patriots defensive back Isaiah Bolden collided

01:22:23.140 with a teammate, laid motionless on the ground and was carted off the field. Minutes later,

01:22:28.500 the NFL made the call to end the game. Football's death was not acute. It was a slow, painful death

01:22:34.980 that paralleled the rise of American feminism and the revolt against all things masculine.

01:22:40.500 It's really a damn shame. I thought it was interesting because my first reaction,

01:22:45.860 maybe because I'm a soft lady was, oh, no, the guy got hurt. They had to shut the game down. He was

01:22:51.220 that hurt. What happened? But then I kept reading and found out he's already out of the hospital.

01:22:55.620 It doesn't sound like he was all that hurt. Why did they shut the game down and explain your thinking

01:23:03.060 on it? Well, it's a new normal that we're establishing in professional football and just

01:23:09.940 football in general. And this is DeMar Hamlin, the Buffalo Bale player that had to have CPR performed

01:23:18.020 on the field during a Monday night football game last season. They ended up canceling that game. And

01:23:25.780 now we're here in a new season, preseason game. Megan, I'm a former college football player. I've

01:23:33.700 covered football my entire life. These types of injuries that Isaiah Bolden suffered, commonplace in

01:23:39.380 football. We've been continuing with games for 70, 80 years, despite injuries like that. There was an

01:23:47.300 NFL football player that died on the field and the game went on. But now we're in this new era of

01:23:57.380 choosing safety over everything. And again, I don't mean this to be diminishing or condescending or a

01:24:08.500 negative statement. But I get why women choose safety. And I think it's an instinctive thing.

01:24:17.780 When you have a wound, when a child develops inside you, you crave safety more than taking risks,

01:24:27.140 more than freedom. And so men have always been more risk-taking and play fast and loose with our

01:24:35.540 lives. We were roughnecks that fell off buildings, building skyscrapers. Evil Knievel, when I was a kid,

01:24:44.100 used to jump things, cars and fountains on a motorcycle and just do all kinds of silly things.

01:24:50.980 Men take risks. And that had been our nature. As the country has become more feminized and more

01:24:59.060 matriarchal, men are now adverse to risk. And we're starting to choose safety at all costs. And so

01:25:07.780 they've normalized something in football now where, oh my God, there's a bad injury on the field.

01:25:12.660 We better shut this down. No one can play. And guys are making millions upon millions of

01:25:19.700 dollars for playing this game. They know the risk of the game. They just don't want to take

01:25:24.340 the risk or suffer the consequences of that risk when guys used to do it all the time.

01:25:31.700 In a preseason game 45 years ago, it's one of the most devastating hits in NFL history.

01:25:37.380 A New England Patriot wide receiver, Darryl Stingley, got hit by an Oakland Raiders safety,

01:25:43.380 Jack Tatum, and was paralyzed. The game continued. And it was a preseason game.

01:25:49.860 And I'm not saying this is right, but the Patriots got on an airplane and were ready to fly home while

01:25:59.220 Darryl Stingley was still in the hospital. And the opposing coach, John Madden, you know,

01:26:04.260 called them a hundred and a thousand dollars like, hey man, before y'all leave, somebody better come

01:26:08.340 over here and check on your player, Darryl Stingley in the hospital, because John Madden was there.

01:26:12.580 I'm not saying that's, but I'm just telling you, that's what the mentality of football used to be.

01:26:18.420 And now we're adopting a softer safety first mentality. That's not healthy. It's not what

01:26:28.500 men are supposed to do. And it's a reflection of a society that has become very secular. And so when

01:26:36.180 you become secular and you have no idea what happens to you in the afterlife, you value this life more

01:26:42.500 than you do life with God, you now develop an unnatural fear of death or an unhealthy fear of death

01:26:52.740 that will stop you again. This current mentality, if there was a civil war over slavery, most men

01:26:59.300 would not participate. If we were back with Jim Crow and laws on the books that penalize Black people,

01:27:10.260 most men wouldn't take the kind of risk, protest, face police dogs, do all the things that they did to

01:27:20.260 overcome that. That there's a reason why our nature to take risks is actually a healthy thing and needs

01:27:27.380 to be protected because that's how we correct a lot of our problems by sacrificing our lives.

01:27:32.260 So hard to say, as a mother of, you know, two boys and a girl, I, I know this is true. And I know that

01:27:40.660 I should be encouraging them to take risks. You know, I feel the need to say sort of

01:27:46.660 reasonable risks. I don't want, you know, I don't want crazy risks taken, but

01:27:51.220 it's so hard, right? Because especially when they're little, my boys are 13 and 10. All you

01:27:57.540 want to do is protect them. Every instinct, every part of your body is protect, protect, protect,

01:28:02.580 stay in the bike lane, get over there, get, get, get toward the sidewalk, be careful,

01:28:07.060 be careful on your dive into that pool. You're like everything. That's like our whole job is to

01:28:12.500 keep them well. And in our family, sure enough, my husband is more like they're fine, relax. You can do

01:28:19.060 it. You know, and I do think that's the way nature intended it. Like I think we're both

01:28:23.140 biologically programmed to be a little bit more like that, at least when it comes to our children.

01:28:28.020 And yet you're right. Society is moving way more toward the protect, protect, protect,

01:28:34.100 safe space as opposed to take risks, assess, you know, take smart risk. You don't be an idiot.

01:28:40.180 Don't drive drunk. Don't, you know, whatever. But I see what you're saying. I don't know what to do.

01:28:45.460 I feel like. Do we need now as women to overcorrect, to like check our instincts to be the safety

01:28:52.500 monitors? Like, do we need to be more like get out there into the traffic? What's the answer?

01:28:59.220 The problem is not you guys shouldn't do anything. Men just need to be men and men need to, you know,

01:29:06.740 draw some boundaries here in terms of like and just have an understanding that, yeah,

01:29:12.020 we would have never ended slavery in this current mentality. And we wouldn't go off and storm the

01:29:19.220 beaches of Normandy. We wouldn't do many of the heroic things that we wouldn't get up on skyscrapers

01:29:26.980 and fall to our death, our deaths in search of progress and things like that, because everybody's

01:29:32.740 afraid to die. And there's just men used to understand the consequences of progress. And so

01:29:42.100 I don't think people under fully grasp, like the guys that went off to war in the Civil War and did

01:29:50.180 everything to sign up to participate in that war, they knew that death was a real possibility and perhaps

01:29:57.940 even likely or some type of injury. But we were willing to do that to have that progress happen.

01:30:04.660 And so when you start creating a culture where everything is evaluated about, well, how safe is

01:30:12.580 it going to be? Is there any risk? Well, let's don't do it. It's too risky. And so it's a byproduct of,

01:30:20.900 you know, and we had a very patriarchal culture where men, you know, argued amongst themselves and

01:30:31.300 kind of decided, hey, this is what we're going to do. This is what's going to happen. And in the name

01:30:36.820 of progress, we've invited everyone into the discussion. And in the name of progress, we're going

01:30:45.300 to take steps backwards. And many of the things that we're experiencing right now, the things we've

01:30:51.700 been talking about with diversity, equity, and inclusion, and all the reverse racism and all,

01:30:59.460 men won't stand up and be leaders and say, you know what, I'm not going for this. This diversity, equity,

01:31:08.020 inclusion goes against merit. And it's unhealthy for our country, because there are consequences.

01:31:15.300 If you take that type of stance, you'll likely get one out of your job. And we're just not in that type

01:31:21.940 of mentality right now. It's one thing to have female voices at the table. It's another thing to

01:31:27.140 accept the feminization of men. That's the word that is not what we wanted, and not what men should

01:31:34.820 be allowing. I mean, I don't think most women don't want that. Maybe the far lefties do. But I see

01:31:40.100 your point that if you zoom out to the larger culture in America, it's happening. It's interesting.

01:31:46.500 What an interesting way you end up on this football game. We shut down the Boy Scouts. Men can't even

01:31:54.180 really kind of gather together. And women can't. And they want to turn the whole thing around.

01:31:59.460 Hello, look at my shirt. We can't even get into our locker rooms and our bathrooms without the men

01:32:04.260 in there these days. Yes. And that's just not the way it's supposed to be. You know, there are,

01:32:11.140 there needs to be spaces where the genders can gather up. And, you know, sororities and fraternities

01:32:18.420 are good. You know, boys and girls locker rooms are good. And, and there's just a roughness

01:32:29.860 that has to be allowed. If you want to be the leader of the free world, if you want to continue

01:32:38.340 with Joe Biden type leadership, we're just going to continue to pretend that there's no differences

01:32:46.420 between men and women. And we're going to, because China's not doing these things. Russia's not doing

01:32:53.220 these things that we're doing. They're not pretending. Can I tell you, so we had a really

01:32:57.380 interesting guest on yesterday, who's an expert on, he has a book called Digital Madness. And he

01:33:02.660 made the point in it that if you ask the average American teenager what he or she wants to be when

01:33:07.940 they grow up, you'll get the majority, I think, saying a YouTube star. If you ask the same of the

01:33:14.180 Chinese children, they say an astronaut. What are we doing, Jason?

01:33:20.820 It's very safe being a YouTube star. Going into space is dangerous.

01:33:28.020 I mean, we're just, we're choosing the easy path every time. Our kids are too soft. We're too soft,

01:33:36.900 the whole thing. We don't understand that iron sharpens iron. And that again, as it relates to

01:33:43.780 football and I grew up playing football and that's how I got to college, that's a great iron sharpening

01:33:50.900 process that I needed. I injured a knee, a torn ACL. There's a price to play. There's a guarantee.

01:33:58.580 If you play football long enough, you're going to get injured, but it's all worth it. And not all of

01:34:03.540 my experiences in football were great. I didn't get along with my coaches all the time. Felt like

01:34:08.260 sometimes they treated me unfairly. Felt like I was too lazy in college and didn't take it

01:34:13.620 advantage of my opportunities. But overall, it was a great learning experience that helped me

01:34:19.220 develop as a man. And people need to let that process play out. But again, it's like we're on

01:34:25.940 this hunt. Let's remove all unfairness. Let's remove anything that's difficult. Let's remove anything

01:34:30.900 that's high risk. And again, they so dramatically changed all the rules in football. It's not the same

01:34:38.180 game. I've never heard somebody say it so succinctly. I mean, I've talked many times about running to

01:34:46.660 the danger, right? Like, don't be afraid. Don't go to the same space. I've never heard somebody say

01:34:50.580 it so succinctly. Iron sharpens iron. Iron sharpens iron. I want a T-shirt that that reads iron sharpens

01:34:56.900 iron. Jason Whitlock. Stick around. He stays with us. He's agreed to give us a few extra minutes. And it's

01:35:03.220 a good thing because I've got to ask him about Kim Kardashian. He's upset. And I'll show you the

01:35:07.220 video that has him upset. And I'm upset, too. All right. So, Jason, you may have heard that Sage

01:35:14.100 Steele, now former ESPN anchor, came on the show last week. And this was her first public comment on

01:35:22.260 her separation from ESPN and on ESPN strong arming her into apologizing. Her alleged sin was she had gone

01:35:32.500 on the Jay Cutler podcast, which was apparently short lived. It was a former NFL star. And she said a couple

01:35:41.300 of things. She criticized the vaccine mandate at ESPN, saying she thought it was sick, that they were forcing

01:35:47.380 people to get it, though she did get it. She said that she did not appreciate some of the young women

01:35:56.820 going into locker rooms scantily clad as sports reporters and then acting shocked that they

01:36:03.380 experienced alleged sexism or looks by the players. And she said that she, as a biracial woman, her mom's

01:36:12.260 white, her dad's black. She calls herself biracial and that she didn't totally understand why Barack

01:36:19.700 Obama called himself black when his black father really didn't raise him. His white mother did.

01:36:27.140 But you do you. I'm going to do me is what she said on the on the podcast. And she this was in the

01:36:34.820 context of her telling the biracial stuff. She was referencing back to an appearance she had on The View

01:36:40.420 where Barbara Walters was really coming at her saying, why don't you call yourself black? Why

01:36:44.900 do you call yourself biracial? And she was like, I'm I'm half white. I'm half black. That's biracial.

01:36:51.220 Pretty sure my mom was there when I was born. And I just I don't understand when I see a box that makes

01:36:57.300 me say, are you black or are you white? It's kind of confusing. I'm really kind of not either. And I am

01:37:02.580 both. Anyway, that's the context in which Barack Obama came up. ESPN made her apologize. So horrid

01:37:08.980 were those remarks. They forced you to apologize. Here's what she said on the show.

01:37:15.700 I did not want to apologize. I fought. And I fought and I begged and I screamed. And

01:37:24.820 I was told that if I want to keep my job, I have to apologize. And I need my job. And I love my job,

01:37:32.100 Megan. I loved it. But I needed it as well. And they knew that they knew that. So I apologize.

01:37:39.540 And I think that I thought that that was going to be the end of it because that's what I was told.

01:37:44.180 But when it continued. And there were events taken away, events I'd worked years to get.

01:37:52.100 And I was just told, you know, hey, you we need a little more time.

01:37:59.140 Bit by bit, they started taking opportunities away from her.

01:38:02.100 They, quote, sidelined her and effectively started destroying her career. And to her credit,

01:38:07.220 she sued. They settled the lawsuit last week. Your thoughts on what's happened to ESPN

01:38:13.620 and what they did to Sage Steele?

01:38:17.220 I think what happened with Sage Steele is really complicated. But I and so I think it's different.

01:38:26.020 It's a pie and 20 percent is this, 30 percent is this. And what those percentages are, someone else,

01:38:32.980 I have to be the judge. But obviously, ESPN has a commitment to a liberal worldview and is far more

01:38:44.020 comfortable with their hosts that are in support of liberal ideology. And so that's part of what

01:38:52.260 happened to Sage Steele. I think that being a woman in that environment is part of what happened to

01:39:02.260 Sage Steele, because I think many of the Black women at ESPN, from an Elle Duncan to a Jamel Hill to others,

01:39:12.100 tried to undercut and did effectively undercut Sage Steele and try to question her Blackness

01:39:21.300 and whether or not she was the right type of representative for Black viewers. I think that

01:39:29.540 played a role. I think that having been hired and promoted under John Skipper, the previous president

01:39:38.900 of ESPN, I think played a role. And, you know, they don't know how to handle someone like Sage Steele,

01:39:49.700 who has a more authentic view of herself than a lot of Black people on television. Because, again,

01:40:01.300 Sage Steele is 1,000 percent biracial. The only people that don't think she's biracial are racist people,

01:40:11.140 because there was a racist tradition. It started in slavery. If you have one drop of Black blood,

01:40:17.940 you're Black. And so the modern day liberals have adopted all the viewpoints and talking points and

01:40:27.140 beliefs of old school racists. And so, oh, Barbara Walters, white liberal, racist. Oh, you got one

01:40:35.460 drop of Black blood. Why aren't you saying you're Black? Because that's what racist white people have

01:40:40.340 thought since the 1700s. And so, Sage Steele being off at Tiger Woods paid a momentary cost because he

01:40:49.700 wouldn't deny his mixed heritage. But, you know, I don't blame Sage Steele. Barack Obama certainly

01:40:59.060 should have claimed his white heritage. He had no relationship with his Black father. His grandparents,

01:41:04.980 his white grandparents, actually raised him in Hawaii. Barack Obama grew up what the liberals would

01:41:11.700 call very stereotypically white. But in order to advance politically, he has to pretend that, you know,

01:41:20.740 he's Jay-Z or the stereotypical Black kid from around the way. And, you know, he goes out and seeks

01:41:29.140 a marriage with a Black woman to validate his Blackness. And again, maybe he and Michelle just fell

01:41:37.300 in love. But everything I read, Barack Obama, the women that he did like were white. The women that he

01:41:45.300 dated were white until he decided, hey, I'm going to be a politician and I need a Black wife to do that.

01:41:51.860 And so, you know, the other aspect that, you know, at some point I'll probably talk to Sage myself,

01:42:03.700 and this is related to John Skipper. ESPN is cutting back salaries and Sage Steele was highly paid. And

01:42:13.060 when you're in the crosshairs at an ESPN or any of these networks and you're highly paid,

01:42:18.340 and they can't say that, hey, you're highly paid because you drive this much revenue or this much

01:42:27.700 ratings, they're getting rid of a lot of people over at ESPN who were overpaid by John Skipper

01:42:35.700 and a part of a system that was set up and commonplace at ESPN and Fox Sports and across

01:42:42.660 all sports media that in order to have diversity, equity and inclusion, we're going to overpay people.

01:42:50.740 We're going to pay them far more than the value they bring because we're making these statements.

01:42:56.260 And so I think she was saying all these DEI programs, the first thing she always wants to

01:43:01.220 see is diversity of thought. And that's that is what Sage Steele brings. She's diverse on a number of

01:43:06.020 levels. But it was her diversity of thought that they objected to because there's a long list of

01:43:10.900 ESPN anchors who have taken political positions and said really incendiary things which were

01:43:17.300 completely tolerated and not punished and did not lead to a separation. But they were aligned with the

01:43:23.620 leftist view. There's no question if she was aligned with the leftist view, she would be a superstar

01:43:29.460 at ESPN. She would be Malika Andrews. There's no question about that. They've got some young woman,

01:43:36.260 27 years old, Malika Andrews, that is mixed. She's half white Jew, half black,

01:43:45.220 pretends to be a leftist, you know, or toes that leftist line. And now she's the greatest thing since

01:43:51.140 life spread. And they're giving her all kinds of opportunities. That was all on the table for

01:43:55.860 Sage Steele. And that is where I got hats off to her. We talk about courage. We talk about standing

01:44:01.140 on convictions. And it's not a man or a woman thing. Sage Steele, I mean, a woman who was willing

01:44:06.660 to pay the price for standing on her values and principles. And I say hats off to her. It's what

01:44:13.140 makes me have a great deal of respect for Sage. But there are a lot of factors that impacted,

01:44:21.220 you know, Sage Steele's career at ESPN. You know, Disney running ESPN has been a travesty and a

01:44:31.620 tragedy. I got to say this. She also told us this crazy story as a follow up to that view

01:44:38.740 appearance where Barbara Walters was asking her about her race. I mean, it's not like inappropriate

01:44:45.060 anyway. Like what business was any of that of Barbara Walters? She told us a story on the show.

01:44:51.380 This is last Thursday. Barbara Walters elbowing her in the stomach at the water fountain. I can't

01:44:58.660 remember exactly the details, but elbowing her in the stomach. In the green one. Thank you. And that

01:45:04.820 Whoopi Goldberg was a witness to it. So this went everywhere. It made tons of news. And to the

01:45:11.620 point where Barbara Walters, who, you know, passed her representative, I guess is still around,

01:45:16.660 put out a statement saying this is impossible to believe. And it doesn't doesn't sound true.

01:45:23.780 And meanwhile, I'm like, well, I have a live person right here who says it is true. And it 100 percent

01:45:29.460 happened. And the eyewitness Whoopi Goldberg has not come out to say it's not true, which is kind of

01:45:36.100 interesting. If you're Barbara Walters representative, you could easily just go to Whoopi and say, would you

01:45:41.060 please put out a statement saying that this is bullshit? She claims you were a witness. No,

01:45:45.460 it hasn't happened. So anyway, I found that very interesting. But listen, I want to move on to Kim

01:45:49.700 Kardashian because you mentioned overpaid, overpaid women in front of the camera. Hello, Kim Kardashian

01:45:58.100 Segway. She I can't stand her for all sorts of reasons. And I feel like this incident, which somehow

01:46:06.420 I missed God bless you for finding this embodies exactly why I can't stand this woman. It's not

01:46:13.140 personal. I don't think she's evil. I just hate what she represents. So before I play the clip from

01:46:19.940 their show, do you want to set it up so that the audience knows that what we're going to see that

01:46:25.140 that you saw that upset you about her at the DMV? Well, she's got two stylists with her.

01:46:34.500 They basically shut down the DMV or leave it open late for her. And she has them take two or three

01:46:43.060 pictures. She's not satisfied with the first one. And I'm just like, this is a mental illness

01:46:50.420 to be this obsessed with your driver's license photo and your appearance at all times. And then

01:46:58.340 when you think about it, it's like, how often does Kim Kardashian drive? I mean, she's a billionaire.

01:47:04.900 She gets driven around everywhere. Part of this is gimmick for her, the Kardashians TV show or

01:47:12.660 something that's on Hulu or whatever. But I just, this sort of obsession with your looks

01:47:20.420 is a mental illness. And I'm not someone that's going to sit here and argue and say Kim Kardashian's

01:47:26.180 not attractive because she is attractive. But this level of obsession, she's a very, her spirit,

01:47:36.340 her mentality is very unattractive. And, you know, I looked at that and I said that people

01:47:44.100 want to say Kanye's nuts. She's just as nuts. All right, wait, let's let's let not keep people

01:47:51.060 in suspense any longer. Let's see. Kim Kardashian, Kim Kardashian's all important license photo.

01:47:57.220 no chemicals now. Come on, guys, we all need to approve this.

01:48:15.140 Can we try again?

01:48:16.420 Maybe if you can, you come out a bit more. Yes. It's not so corrupt.

01:48:19.140 Not. Yeah. Yeah. Is there any way to save

01:48:21.540 this, do another and have them side by side ? This one's good. It looks exactly the same

01:48:26.500 it was the other one.

01:48:27.480 Blake killed it.

01:48:28.740 She nailed it.

01:48:29.740 We worked with many photographers

01:48:30.960 along the time, Blanca,

01:48:32.120 and you got the shot.

01:48:33.660 I wouldn't say we normally get it.

01:48:35.360 In two shots.

01:48:36.260 Yeah.

01:48:36.720 We trusted our instincts.

01:48:38.840 First is the worst.

01:48:39.820 Second is the best.

01:48:42.700 Oh, my God.

01:48:44.820 That is stomach turning.

01:48:47.480 She's all about appearances.

01:48:51.100 That's the only thing

01:48:53.360 that matters to her.

01:48:55.300 That's it.

01:48:55.720 Even her billion dollar brand

01:48:58.420 is all about sucking in your fat

01:49:00.360 so you can look better.

01:49:02.260 That's that's her contribution

01:49:03.520 to the world.

01:49:04.220 I'm not saying it's bad,

01:49:05.720 but that's where she's making

01:49:07.140 her money, looking at herself

01:49:09.960 and encouraging young girls

01:49:11.960 of America and around the world

01:49:13.940 to look at themselves

01:49:16.040 and have other people look at them

01:49:18.580 instead of listen to them.

01:49:20.700 Because when you listen for 20 seconds,

01:49:23.360 you're revolted at the banal emptiness

01:49:27.960 that is the shell of that woman.

01:49:30.680 she's like an athlete in terms of,

01:49:35.820 you know, athletes are paid

01:49:37.620 because of their physicality

01:49:39.980 and they ignore their intellectual evolution.

01:49:43.920 And so she's the same thing.

01:49:48.620 She's vapid.

01:49:51.220 And I just,

01:49:53.320 it is a dangerous message

01:49:54.800 to send to young girls.

01:49:56.860 And the fact that we've placed her

01:50:00.620 on this pedestal

01:50:01.600 and she's, you know,

01:50:03.060 worth billions of dollars

01:50:04.900 and has access to U.S. presidents

01:50:07.600 and is considered one of the most successful

01:50:10.980 and powerful people in America,

01:50:13.380 that's a dangerous message

01:50:15.240 to young women and young girls.

01:50:18.280 But it's where we're at.

01:50:20.620 And I just,

01:50:22.700 I told a story on my show yesterday

01:50:25.420 about I was at a pool party

01:50:28.100 in Vegas years ago

01:50:29.500 and my cabana was next door

01:50:32.660 to Kim Kardashian's cabana.

01:50:35.000 And so I can authentically say,

01:50:37.200 having stood next to her,

01:50:38.480 very brief conversation,

01:50:40.340 she's a beautiful woman

01:50:41.480 or she certainly was then.

01:50:43.420 But if it takes that level of obsession

01:50:46.740 for her to be a beautiful woman,

01:50:48.720 I want no part to that.

01:50:50.160 Just run.

01:50:51.080 I'd rather have,

01:50:52.260 you know,

01:50:53.340 a much less attractive woman

01:50:55.240 who actually has a head

01:50:56.400 on her shoulders

01:50:57.120 than Kim Kardashian.

01:50:59.380 Yeah, it's not totally dissimilar

01:51:01.720 from the conversation we had

01:51:03.260 about Michael Orr.

01:51:05.000 Where was the parent?

01:51:06.280 If my daughter ever made such a deal

01:51:09.080 about getting her driver's license photo

01:51:11.760 or her school photo,

01:51:13.300 I'd say,

01:51:14.140 knock it off.

01:51:15.020 This is ridiculous.

01:51:16.180 I want to make sure you look neat.

01:51:17.740 Looking nice is fine.

01:51:19.040 There's nothing wrong

01:51:19.680 with wanting to look attractive.

01:51:21.440 But this is an obsession.

01:51:23.060 This is bizarre.

01:51:24.440 Get in front of the camera

01:51:25.280 and smile for God's sake.

01:51:26.560 Stop it.

01:51:27.340 Knock it off.

01:51:28.040 You need a parent

01:51:28.720 to say you're being absurd.

01:51:31.000 And she didn't have that.

01:51:32.100 She had a mother

01:51:33.140 who fed her to the wolves

01:51:34.440 who helped her,

01:51:35.600 according to the sex partner

01:51:37.660 featured in the sex tape,

01:51:40.180 make the tape

01:51:41.580 and put it out there

01:51:42.760 for all to see

01:51:43.520 and exploited her

01:51:44.420 from the cradle.

01:51:45.260 So this is what you wind up with.

01:51:46.900 It's not entirely her fault.

01:51:48.380 But now that she's an adult,

01:51:49.880 she has to take responsibility.

01:51:51.360 And her fake law degree,

01:51:52.440 which she didn't get,

01:51:53.500 was all just cover

01:51:54.380 to try to make herself seem

01:51:55.580 like she was making an effort

01:51:56.720 to be an intellectual,

01:51:57.500 which she's not

01:51:58.220 and never will be.

01:51:59.660 She's about vapid vanity.

01:52:01.700 And I object

01:52:02.700 on so many different levels.

01:52:04.660 Jason Whitlock,

01:52:05.300 you're the opposite of that.

01:52:06.720 You are not object.

01:52:07.540 You are not about objective

01:52:08.860 vapid vanity.

01:52:10.420 You're all substance

01:52:11.180 and have given us

01:52:11.900 so many different angles

01:52:12.780 to think about in these stories.

01:52:14.360 One of the many reasons

01:52:14.980 I've never struggled

01:52:15.880 with beauty,

01:52:16.620 so I haven't.

01:52:17.720 No, that's not what I meant.

01:52:20.660 See, Blanca wouldn't

01:52:21.620 even have to try with you.

01:52:22.640 Blanca would be like,

01:52:23.280 oh, it's Jason.

01:52:23.860 I'm good.

01:52:24.240 I know he's the camera loves him.

01:52:28.500 Thanks for being here.

01:52:30.340 Thank you, Megan.

01:52:31.620 All right.

01:52:32.200 See you again soon.

01:52:32.960 Go find Jason's show,

01:52:34.200 Fearless,

01:52:35.180 on Blaze TV,

01:52:36.440 on YouTube,

01:52:37.360 and all podcast platforms.

01:52:42.840 Thanks for listening

01:52:43.740 to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:52:45.040 No BS,

01:52:45.880 no agenda,

01:52:46.480 and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 22, 2023

MAGA vs. GOP Takes Centerstage, ＂Blind Side＂ Truth, and Our ＂Feminized＂ Society, with Jason Whitlock ｜ Ep. 612

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