The Megyn Kelly Show - Maher's White House Visit, and Senseless High School Student Stabbing, with Michael Knowles and Ana Kasparian

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00:00:30.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:43.820 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:47.020 Is everyone nursing their Liberation Day hangover?

00:00:49.740 Oh, I just, okay.

00:00:56.620 There's going to be a bunch of tariffs.

00:00:58.220 Pretty much everyone is against it.

00:01:02.080 There's a strain of diehard MAGA that is open-minded to doing something in a different way because

00:01:09.700 while the system has worked well for the top 1%, it hasn't been working that great for the

00:01:15.820 folks in the Rust Belt.

00:01:16.680 I, for one, say we give President Trump a chance.

00:01:21.860 There's no way he's going to let a bunch of economic pain rain down on the country for the

00:01:27.780 next three and a half years without doing anything about it.

00:01:31.120 He's talking about short-term pain for long-term gain.

00:01:35.800 We got the full announcement last night from Donald Trump about his new tariff plan.

00:01:42.160 It's basically 10% across the board for all countries and higher on top of that, depending

00:01:49.460 on whether you're tariffing us or if there's some sort of trade deficit between our country

00:01:55.140 and yours even without tariffs, that we find unfair.

00:01:59.560 Like there are certain regulations, for example, in Japan that make it virtually impossible for

00:02:04.500 us to sell certain cars there because we will never pass the regulations.

00:02:08.280 Is that fair?

00:02:09.340 Is it hard to get a Japanese car in America?

00:02:11.280 So Trump is jacking up tariffs on Japan, not necessarily based on their tariffs, but based

00:02:17.520 on a trade deficit because of regulations they've put in place that make it impossible for us

00:02:21.560 to compete over there in the way they can here.

00:02:24.080 That's what he's trying to rectify.

00:02:26.480 The defenders of the free trade world say, yes, all of that sounds good on paper.

00:02:34.900 The unfairness is a very easy argument to make.

00:02:37.580 But net net, we're still the strongest economy in the world because of our free trade.

00:02:43.580 We actually don't make a lot of things domestically and won't start to just because of this plan.

00:02:49.760 And that this is going to cause what's called stagflation, where inflation goes up and the

00:02:56.600 economy slows and eventually we could see job losses.

00:03:00.300 They're predicting all doom and gloom.

00:03:02.860 Why don't we give him a chance?

00:03:04.120 Why don't we see how this changes things?

00:03:09.020 Because over the last 25 years, our manufacturing industry has been gutted.

00:03:14.080 It's been sliced in half.

00:03:16.260 In half.

00:03:18.260 You know, I heard Adam Carolla talking about this the other day and it was a good point.

00:03:21.760 He said, as you know, half of LA burned.

00:03:25.600 And he was like, you know who's out rebuilding it?

00:03:27.600 Men, men, men in excavators and dump trucks with bulldozers and shovels and bricklayers.

00:03:36.120 Men like that are going to rebuild the Palisades.

00:03:40.780 Men who nobody in the Palisades probably gives two shits about.

00:03:45.540 That's the truth.

00:03:46.260 Well, there are a lot of those guys in this country who've seen what they know how to

00:03:51.160 do best.

00:03:52.220 Absolutely devastated by a globalist agenda that cares more about free trade than they

00:04:00.160 do about our own American guys.

00:04:02.880 And Trump is of a different ilk.

00:04:06.200 And he's never stopped thinking about these guys.

00:04:08.620 Reportedly, he read Rick Santorum's book on the manufacturing crisis and what we did to

00:04:12.760 our own before he ran for president.

00:04:15.040 It was basically Rick Santorum's platform when he ran for president and won Iowa a few

00:04:20.480 years before Trump came on the national scene.

00:04:23.100 And I don't think he's ever lost that.

00:04:24.820 There are trips, there are clips of Trump back when he was in his 40s talking about we need

00:04:28.800 tariffs and thinking about the more working class manufacturers of America.

00:04:33.080 So this is something near and dear to his heart.

00:04:35.720 We have never in recent history given it a good try.

00:04:40.340 And I think we need to be patient with the president who ran very much on this.

00:04:45.700 Very much on this and deserves a shot.

00:04:48.060 That's the tariffs.

00:04:49.040 OK, there's a lot of other things going on.

00:04:51.900 There's some really disturbing cultural stories that I want to get into because they say a lot

00:04:55.860 about where we are later in the show.

00:04:57.740 I'm going to be joined by Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks.

00:04:59.960 But we begin today with Michael Knowles.

00:05:01.620 He's hosted the Michael Knowles show over on the Daily Wire.

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00:06:08.320 Michael, welcome back.

00:06:10.380 Oddly, I don't want to start with tariffs because I think I've summed it up accurately.

00:06:14.840 Um, and if you really want to do a deep dive into tariffs, there's probably a lot of places

00:06:19.580 you can go for it.

00:06:20.560 Um, what I want to talk about is our country and some stories that are in the news today.

00:06:24.920 They're just shocking.

00:06:25.760 And the number one is this poor kid who was murdered down in Texas, in Frisco, Texas, by

00:06:33.940 the name of Austin Metcalf.

00:06:36.260 It's all over the news today.

00:06:37.780 He, uh, was at a track meet in North Texas, uh, just reading here from, uh, WFAA.com,

00:06:48.020 a local source there in Frisco, Texas.

00:06:50.960 He was, okay, it happened around 10 a.m.

00:06:54.280 at, uh, a university down there, Frisco High School.

00:06:58.420 Sorry, it was a Frisco High School track meet, but it happened at a university, um, championship

00:07:03.500 track meet and it was being held, uh, with these independent schools present.

00:07:07.500 The victim who died was 17 year old Austin Metcalf.

00:07:11.560 He was a student, uh, attending Frisco's Memorial High School.

00:07:15.020 His twin brother, Hunter was there as well.

00:07:18.780 He went to sit down and found another student in his seat from the sound of it and said, that's

00:07:28.360 my seat or something to that effect.

00:07:29.960 And that other student reportedly turned around and stabbed him in the heart.

00:07:36.680 This kid who got killed was 17.

00:07:39.680 He had a 4.0.

00:07:41.220 He was a football star.

00:07:43.500 Sorry.

00:07:45.140 And he was dead.

00:07:47.980 It seems very soon thereafter.

00:07:50.760 His twin brother held him as he died and was barely able to speak about it.

00:07:54.480 And the father, who seems like an extraordinary man, Michael, comes out and speaks to the cameras

00:08:02.200 about what happened to his son.

00:08:03.700 Here's a bit of, uh, Austin's dad.

00:08:07.200 Take a listen.

00:08:09.260 I'm not trying to judge, but what kind of parents did this child have?

00:08:15.660 What was he taught?

00:08:16.560 He brought a knife to a track meet and he murdered my son by stabbing him in the heart.

00:08:24.480 And the son, the guy was in the wrong place.

00:08:27.060 They asked him to move and he bowed up.

00:08:29.460 This is murder.

00:08:31.860 I don't know.

00:08:33.440 I know they have someone in custody.

00:08:35.780 And you know what?

00:08:37.320 I already forgive this person.

00:08:40.160 Already?

00:08:40.880 Already.

00:08:42.180 God takes care of things.

00:08:43.800 God's going to take care of me.

00:08:45.700 God's going to take care of my family.

00:08:47.960 That poor man.

00:08:49.320 His name is Jeff Metcalf.

00:08:51.120 Already he's forgiven.

00:08:52.120 It happened yesterday.

00:08:52.760 It was happening Wednesday.

00:08:54.480 They have a suspect in custody identified by police as Carmelo Anthony, a 17 year old

00:08:59.280 student at Frisco Centennial High School.

00:09:02.120 He was taken into custody on a murder charge.

00:09:04.140 His bond has not yet been set.

00:09:06.500 This guy, Anthony played football in, um, for the school Centennial and indicated on social

00:09:13.100 media pages that he had been offered scholarships to play football for several smaller schools.

00:09:19.540 This is just incredible.

00:09:22.340 So he had some sort of hope in front of him that the suspect Carmelo Anthony, that he played

00:09:27.940 football and that on social media, at least he was claiming that he'd been offered scholarships

00:09:31.720 to play football for several similar, uh, several smaller schools.

00:09:35.720 And now this other kid who appears to be completely innocent of doing no more than asking to have

00:09:42.380 his seat is dead at age 17 with nothing but promise lying in front of him and in the arms

00:09:48.980 of his own twin brother.

00:09:49.940 The, there's an element to this that must be mentioned.

00:09:53.800 And that is that the assailant was black and the victim was white.

00:09:58.260 And one thing that's very obvious to all of us is if the races were reversed, you wouldn't just be

00:10:05.680 hearing about this on this show and a handful of others.

00:10:09.320 It would be blanketing the national airwaves coast to coast, but it's not because honestly,

00:10:19.480 white boys lives don't matter.

00:10:23.020 Your thoughts, Michael.

00:10:25.120 The fact that you even have to walk on eggshells to state this obvious fact about the case shows

00:10:31.160 you in no small part how we got to this place in the first place.

00:10:35.100 Uh, you know, it's just a horrible story.

00:10:37.460 What, what amazing grace from this boy's father who says, you know, I already forgive him,

00:10:43.700 which is to say vengeance is mine says the Lord and I will repay, you know, their foot

00:10:48.240 shall slide in due time.

00:10:49.780 Uh, that is not to say that the boy should not be arrested, prosecuted, imprisoned for life,

00:10:56.020 at least if not more.

00:10:57.660 And, uh, you know, the very fact that that has not happened is, is part of how we got here

00:11:03.040 in the first place.

00:11:03.640 It's this question, you know, how was this boy raised?

00:11:06.900 Well, you're not allowed to ask that question when, you know, specifically from the racial

00:11:11.340 angle, which the establishment media will not speak about.

00:11:14.020 They probably won't speak about the case because of the races of the perpetrator, the alleged

00:11:18.560 perpetrator and the victim.

00:11:20.320 Uh, you know, one is said that we cannot ask how we got to a place where 70% plus of black

00:11:27.440 children in the United States are born out of wedlock.

00:11:30.020 We're not allowed to ask that.

00:11:31.300 That's a politically incorrect.

00:11:32.560 It's none of your business.

00:11:33.920 Well, it is my business because I live in society and they're obviously downstream effects.

00:11:37.900 I don't know the particulars of this guy's family situation.

00:11:40.540 Maybe he just ran, he went totally off the handle.

00:11:43.240 Maybe he had some mental health crisis or something.

00:11:45.880 We're not allowed to talk about these things either.

00:11:47.860 We, we have to now elevate, uh, insanity as some kind of, uh, of social currency or even

00:11:54.020 pretend that patently absurd things are true.

00:11:56.560 That's pushed by our elite culture.

00:11:57.960 If the boy ever did show any warning signs in school, that cannot be punished that you,

00:12:02.560 you could probably get the teacher in trouble if, if, uh, a person of a favored demographic

00:12:08.400 is, is ever punished, brought to the school counselor, even if it would be for his own

00:12:12.620 good.

00:12:12.940 We're not allowed to talk about any of these things.

00:12:15.280 And so in a very real sense, uh, political correctness, the, the leftist, especially racial

00:12:22.220 ideology has created this environment.

00:12:25.300 And, and the, the, the most insidious part of it all is that the elites who are going

00:12:31.400 to be chattering about this today will never have to face the consequences of these kinds

00:12:36.280 of behaviors, policies, and ideology, because they're going to send their kids to the really

00:12:41.980 fancy rich school where everyone has two parents and an intact family and violence is

00:12:47.320 not tolerated.

00:12:48.420 And they, they will be totally insulated from the effects of their radical social engineering.

00:12:52.940 Uh, meanwhile, the people who, who don't live in negated communities, the people who have

00:12:57.520 to live with the effects of not punishing perpetrators, not looking out for red flags

00:13:02.000 and putting kids into course correction and education, the, the people who won't even

00:13:06.220 arrest criminals on the streets, who instead, when you have a case to use a recent example

00:13:09.880 of Daniel Penny, for instance, on the New York city subway, protecting innocent people

00:13:13.700 from a perpetrator, what, what is the very first thing that the liberal prosecutors

00:13:17.560 do?

00:13:17.940 They go after the good guy who was protecting the bad guys because of all of this, you have,

00:13:21.820 you have real, uh, victims of, in this case, a 17 year old kid at his whole life in front

00:13:26.820 of him.

00:13:27.020 In this case, that the boy's family who looks around and, and the, the tragedy on top of

00:13:32.120 the tragedy here is that these kinds of incidents are all so predictable.

00:13:38.260 What kind of rage and emptiness, I guess, is in the heart of a boy who would stab another

00:13:46.660 young man in the heart for asking for a seat back?

00:13:50.880 I mean that the hair trigger that would be required there, the bundle of anger and just

00:13:59.120 lack of any engagement in society, any commitment to the social contract by which we all live,

00:14:06.780 right?

00:14:07.600 There's, this is just so beyond the pale, like murders happen.

00:14:10.940 And we understand that's a part of life.

00:14:12.780 Unfortunately, people have vendettas against one another.

00:14:15.740 There are serial killers out there.

00:14:17.820 Um, people get angry and overreact, but that usually, usually Michael, you can see the

00:14:24.220 circumstances.

00:14:24.800 You're not justifying it, but you understand, okay, it was manslaughter.

00:14:28.020 It was the heat of passion or it was some gang hit, or it was a mob hit, or it was, you

00:14:33.620 know, just some sort of long vendetta between the two, or it was a cheating spouse.

00:14:38.120 You know, there's something where you don't accept, but you can at least understand, but

00:14:43.180 you see something this violent and empty and meaning.

00:14:46.660 And you do, as that father did, look at the perpetrator and say, how was he raised?

00:14:53.180 Where was his family?

00:14:54.860 What was seen or not seen about him before he was unleashed on society to the point where

00:15:01.520 he could do this to an innocent kid he was across from?

00:15:05.700 Who takes out a knife and stabs another in the heart as their first response to an empty

00:15:12.760 or not empty seat?

00:15:15.580 Are you telling me that there is no warning sign here?

00:15:18.780 That's my, that's my question to, to everyone involved at this school in, in this perpetrators,

00:15:25.200 alleged perpetrators community.

00:15:26.840 You're telling me there was no warning sign.

00:15:28.740 I have a hard time believing that, as you say, Megan, the, the hair trigger to go off

00:15:33.660 because someone says, excuse me.

00:15:34.980 And by the way, I think a lot of people have seen this kind of thing from individuals where

00:15:40.760 you just know, you know, often, you know, you won't even go approach them on the street.

00:15:44.580 You just know the, the, the, all of the red flags, all the warning signs.

00:15:48.840 But in this culture, we're not allowed to mention that.

00:15:52.980 We're not allowed to condemn certain social arrangements and pathologies.

00:15:57.720 We're not allowed to say that growing up in a two family home, for instance, where the

00:16:03.560 virtues are cultivated and the vices are suppressed, that that's better than the alternative.

00:16:08.140 Frankly, we're no longer even allowed to admit that there's a difference between vice and

00:16:11.220 virtue.

00:16:12.100 Certainly when you add the racial aspect into this, then you're not allowed to say peep

00:16:15.900 whatsoever.

00:16:16.440 And so the, the people who ignored those red flags out of cowardice and radical ideology,

00:16:22.980 they have blood on their hands and not just in this case, but in many similar cases around

00:16:28.400 the country.

00:16:29.340 How, how many more of these kinds of incidents are going to have to occur before we, we gain

00:16:35.480 the courage and the clarity again to say, you know, uh, certain social pathologies really

00:16:41.260 need to be suppressed.

00:16:43.040 There are better ways to live.

00:16:45.060 Uh, it's not just you do you and I'll do me.

00:16:48.480 We live in a society.

00:16:50.380 And so when people get married, that affects me.

00:16:54.280 When people get divorced, that affects me.

00:16:55.740 When people have children out of wedlock, that affects me.

00:16:59.040 When people have children within wedlock, that affects me.

00:17:01.820 When, when the law is enforced, that affects me.

00:17:04.620 When children are educated, you know, in a proper way, that's going to affect me too, because

00:17:10.340 I live in society.

00:17:11.580 All right.

00:17:12.000 And I, as a citizen in this country and as a person with conscience, as a rational creature,

00:17:16.180 have a right to express how we ought to live for the common good.

00:17:20.040 That view has been so shunned from society, certainly by the left.

00:17:24.380 And it's been tolerated by the right.

00:17:26.240 And, and this is the totally predictable result of that.

00:17:30.740 There's so much in there that everything you said is brilliant and important.

00:17:35.360 The, um, Black Lives Matter Plaza in Washington, DC was just scrubbed and taken down.

00:17:42.380 Here we are five years later, right?

00:17:45.220 Almost, almost exactly five years later, right?

00:17:48.060 George Floyd was the end of May in 2020.

00:17:51.180 Um, and what, what did that group accomplish?

00:17:55.440 What the number of cancellations that they pushed for, you know, the all about cops.

00:18:01.460 It was all about what these allegedly racist cops were doing coast to coast, just hunting

00:18:07.120 black men, right?

00:18:08.580 Isn't that how LeBron put it?

00:18:09.720 Um, this what's happening in with a lack of fathers in several black homes, not every

00:18:16.660 black home.

00:18:17.280 And this isn't about black people.

00:18:18.700 There are black people listening to the show right now who are as outraged over this as

00:18:22.340 we are, but there is a problem with fatherless homes in a large portion of the black community.

00:18:29.060 And where is the push on that?

00:18:30.840 Where, where were these black leaders, Patricia colors and the others to try to do something

00:18:36.380 about that, which actually would have helped black kids and all kids for, have a safer

00:18:42.400 future.

00:18:43.640 Of course, of course.

00:18:45.220 Uh, you know, the, the, the people to blame here, uh, you know, for creating these kinds

00:18:50.740 of conditions are, are not only the ones who look the other way, but, but yes, as you

00:18:55.300 mentioned, these really bad actors who have, uh, who have pushed, uh, terrible behavior,

00:19:01.460 who have encouraged the worst kind of lawlessness that is contrary to the good of the individual

00:19:07.360 and to the good of society.

00:19:08.500 And who have been given grants and prizes and, and all sorts of plaudits for it.

00:19:13.860 Uh, you know, uh, I, I remember walking by that BLM Plaza in DC, I thought this is, this

00:19:19.880 is such another level of social degradation.

00:19:22.900 Not only are we tolerating this kind of disordered behavior, but we're actually exalting it.

00:19:29.700 We're saying this is, this is a great thing.

00:19:31.640 Uh, so people are going to be led, you know, I mean, this is where the hyper individualism

00:19:37.680 of the left and the right just totally breaks down.

00:19:41.120 We are social creatures.

00:19:42.340 We've known that since good old uncle Aristotle.

00:19:44.620 And so we are going to, we're going to follow the leader.

00:19:47.980 We're going to behave in ways that, that our neighbors behave.

00:19:51.420 And so we have a real question before us, which is what kind of country do we want to

00:19:55.820 live in?

00:19:56.260 What kind of society do we want to live in?

00:19:58.020 You know, that is your business.

00:20:00.240 All right.

00:20:01.020 The, the, the society that we grow up in is your business.

00:20:03.280 You as a citizen have a right to certain standards.

00:20:06.400 And so when, when you look at all of the risk factors for this kind of behavior, fatherlessness,

00:20:11.720 of course, we've talked about, uh, the, the soft bigotry of low expectations, as it's

00:20:15.860 called in education, uh, the, the encouragement of vice and the, the mockery and dismissal

00:20:21.260 of virtue, uh, on the grounds that, you know, we can't be moralizing or we have a separation

00:20:25.500 of church and state or whatever kind of a historical nonsense the radical left pushes.

00:20:30.440 Uh, you know, the, well, the consequence of that is that you're going to live in an increasingly

00:20:34.420 anarchical kind of society that isn't good for anyone.

00:20:37.940 Uh, it, it, uh, damages the people that it supposedly intends to help.

00:20:42.620 You certainly saw that with BLM, but, uh, let's not forget the innocent people here as

00:20:47.640 well.

00:20:47.920 It also damages, uh, the innocent and, and that is deeply unjust.

00:20:52.980 And if the government can't do something about that, then the government is shirking its

00:20:56.960 chief responsibility.

00:20:59.140 It's not totally dissimilar from what happened with the Nashville shooter, that woman who

00:21:08.220 went into a, a, a, a lower school and killed six people at the covenant school in Nashville,

00:21:15.040 March 27th, 2023.

00:21:17.040 Uh, we don't say the name of the mass shooters here, but it was a woman who was having gender

00:21:24.960 dysphoria and was trying to become a male or wanted people to think of her as a male.

00:21:31.040 And, um, this was the case in which our audience may remember.

00:21:34.660 They refused to release the manifesto.

00:21:37.300 They said it would be too disturbing.

00:21:38.760 It would be too dangerous.

00:21:40.600 And then about a year plus ago, Steven Crowder got his hands on at least a piece of the manifesto

00:21:47.480 and released it.

00:21:48.160 And this woman had all these bizarre trans fantasies involving having male sex.

00:21:53.500 Like she would be the male with her stuffed animals and how, if she would just go up to

00:21:57.860 heaven after committing all these murders, she was sure God would put her in a boy body

00:22:02.760 completely whitewashed.

00:22:04.960 Like the media did not want to, the cops, nobody wanted to talk about the trans element of this

00:22:11.840 woman's craziness of her insanity.

00:22:15.180 And now they finally concluded their investigation on this covenant school killer and they release a 48 page

00:22:23.060 report, which does not include the word trance.

00:22:26.280 It does not include the word trance.

00:22:27.980 It has other passing references to some gender issues, but it's, it's completely downplayed.

00:22:34.120 It's like it was, you know, basically not relevant to it.

00:22:38.840 Um, this is a little bit of the reporting despite needing more than two years to complete his

00:22:44.900 investigation.

00:22:45.800 The, um, the police department confirmed that this person acted alone.

00:22:50.480 And during the attack, during the attack itself, no one around the killer had knowledge that she

00:22:56.200 was planning the attack.

00:22:57.660 Although her parents knew she had thoughts about killing her father.

00:23:00.400 Uh, they found that her parents, her mental health providers and the firearm retailers who

00:23:05.700 sold her the weapons bore no responsibility and had no prior knowledge of her plans.

00:23:10.780 And now they stay in this conclusion that she didn't leave behind a manifesto, Michael,

00:23:16.800 because it wasn't laid out in one single document that, that there's all sorts of justification

00:23:23.900 for this.

00:23:24.460 Listen to this.

00:23:24.880 They write early in the investigation, it was suggested that, uh, this shooter left behind a

00:23:29.260 manifesto detailing her motives and intentions.

00:23:31.760 By definition, a manifesto is a mission statement or other document written and disseminated by

00:23:36.820 an individual or group to enumerate or expound upon the guiding principles and beliefs that

00:23:41.440 inform their actions.

00:23:42.540 Regardless of length, a manifesto is a single document that outlines all the factors, intentions

00:23:47.720 and objectives of an individual act or a series of actions.

00:23:50.540 In this case, a manifesto did not exist.

00:23:53.280 The shooter never left behind a single document explaining why she committed the act, why she specifically

00:23:58.100 targeted the covenant and what she hoped to gain, if anything, with the attack.

00:24:03.780 Really?

00:24:04.640 Now that's, now they've been saying for two years that it would be too dangerous.

00:24:10.120 They didn't think we could handle it.

00:24:11.780 It's too disturbing.

00:24:13.080 Now suddenly it's, oh, it didn't exist because it was in the form of multiple documents and

00:24:17.920 not just one.

00:24:18.560 I feel like we're looking at parallel stories in a way here where the, the shooter, the killer

00:24:24.480 is in a protected group about whom you are not allowed to say certain things or ask certain

00:24:31.760 questions.

00:24:33.840 The, the excuse might as well be that manifestos are always saved as PDF files.

00:24:39.240 And this was a doc X, so not a manifesto, not going to release it.

00:24:42.980 It's so flimsy.

00:24:44.060 It contradicts what they've been saying for years at this point.

00:24:47.160 But, but of course they were going to ignore the central feature here.

00:24:50.820 We've been talking about red flags.

00:24:52.760 We've been talking about the, the, the ideological and cultural insistence that we not acknowledge

00:24:59.040 what's before our own eyes.

00:25:00.720 So in this case, you want to know what a red flag might be that you have a, a, a person

00:25:05.700 who is as mentally ill as it is possible to be a person who doesn't understand some of

00:25:11.720 the most basic aspects of her own identity.

00:25:15.240 Uh, I would like to know that as the parent of someone who is at a school, I would like

00:25:21.080 to know if there are really crazy people, uh, people who not only have a flawed perception

00:25:27.320 of reality, but who are part of a group that is singularly violent and committing violence,

00:25:33.860 not only against others, but notably at, at, uh, on unmatched rates against themselves.

00:25:39.460 A group of people that has a real problem that a caring society would try to fix and remedy

00:25:45.420 rather than affirm and make worse.

00:25:47.880 That that's the sort of thing that I would like, but that has to be ignored because the,

00:25:52.120 the culture tells us that we have to exalt falsehood and we have to deny truth.

00:25:57.320 So then when one of these people flies off the handle, it, it, we all have to act surprised.

00:26:02.940 I, I have been going out and speaking in public for, I don't know, 10 years or something now

00:26:07.660 is just part of my show and part of my, part of my public life.

00:26:10.880 I've been attacked precisely on two occasions physically, uh, both times.

00:26:15.620 It was because I discussed the question of transgenderism.

00:26:18.820 Uh, one time was right at the beginning of my speaking.

00:26:22.320 Uh, the other time was a couple of years ago.

00:26:24.220 Some Antifa guy was so furious at my, uh, observation that transgenderism isn't real that

00:26:29.740 he tried to blow me up when I was giving a speech and he seriously injured a female police

00:26:33.260 officer.

00:26:34.040 I've talked about a lot of other issues and it's not just me.

00:26:36.700 There are many people on the right, uh, for, for whom this is the case.

00:26:40.040 Uh, the minute you question the trans ideology, these people who are so obviously and notably

00:26:45.840 insane will fly off the handle.

00:26:48.840 Uh, can we say that?

00:26:49.840 I'll probably be censored from social media for acknowledging that right now, but let me

00:26:54.360 just ask the people who are literally talking about a so-called trans person who killed six,

00:26:59.880 three, six year olds and three adults.

00:27:01.800 It's absolutely factual in the case that we are discussing at this moment.

00:27:06.300 Please keep going.

00:27:07.480 Without question.

00:27:08.280 And my question to them, by the way, who say that we need to lie to people in order to

00:27:12.940 mollify them, that the, you know, lies will set you free.

00:27:15.760 And the truth is cruel, a complete inversion of what we've known in our civilization for

00:27:19.980 thousands of years.

00:27:21.060 My question to them is, who does that serve?

00:27:23.980 Does that, is, is the trans identifying girl who shot up the school and then was happily

00:27:28.200 killed by a police officer?

00:27:29.360 Is she better off because of that?

00:27:31.040 How about this kid, the perpetrator, uh, just yesterday who murders a 17 year old promising

00:27:36.860 kid because he flies off the handle.

00:27:38.380 Is he, is he served well by, by just ignoring red flags?

00:27:43.540 And now that guy's life is over as well.

00:27:45.400 And he's, and he's got to live with the grievous sin of having taken another life.

00:27:49.240 Who, who benefits from living in a society full of lies?

00:27:53.100 Nobody does.

00:27:53.920 I mean, it's a, it's a total Faustian bargain, you know, give up the truth, live in lies.

00:27:58.900 And then at least some people will be happy.

00:28:00.880 And the conclusion of it is none of us are happy and the whole society is degraded.

00:28:06.080 The, just before we leave this, this subject here, here's just a couple of statements that

00:28:11.720 Steven Crowder reported on when he broke this story last year that did not, did not wind

00:28:17.000 up in the police report, um, that this shooter had written, can't believe I'm doing this,

00:28:23.100 but I'm ready.

00:28:23.820 I hope my victims aren't quote, kill those kids quote, going to fancy private schools with

00:28:30.060 those fancy khakis and sports backpacks with their daddy's Mustangs and convertibles quote,

00:28:35.060 want to kill all you little crackers, bunch of little faggots with your white privileges.

00:28:39.620 Now I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no reason why the final report should not include

00:28:46.900 those statements.

00:28:49.260 Here's more.

00:28:50.060 The Tennessee star reported on some of what was found in the manifesto documents, but

00:28:56.080 not in the police report.

00:28:58.020 Um, the shooter wrote extensively about gender identity, her gender identity, including a three

00:29:03.420 page entry, the killer titled my imaginary penis in which she wrote about expressing sexual

00:29:08.800 fantasies with stuffed animals.

00:29:11.880 I can pretend to be them and do the things boys do and experience my boy self.

00:29:16.960 God, I'm such a pervert.

00:29:18.140 I waste too much time in my fantasies.

00:29:20.640 Uh, the, the shooter wrote a political rant in an entry dated one month prior in which she

00:29:25.520 complained the U S fails to respect the rights of disabled people, gun owners, and transgender

00:29:29.660 people.

00:29:30.320 So now because of you, I wish death on myself because, because of the pure hatred of my female

00:29:36.120 gender quote, if God won't give me a boy body in heaven, then Jesus is a faggot.

00:29:41.180 Forgive me for these words.

00:29:42.680 I can't be happy.

00:29:43.820 I meant to die.

00:29:44.420 How does this not wind up in the fight?

00:29:46.100 Like we cannot have the realities of these people who wind up committing individual murders

00:29:52.720 or mass murders, whitewashed for some sake of being sensitive to their particular.

00:29:59.020 And by the way, one of the things that they, we also learn about the shooter.

00:30:01.600 That's not shocking is she was on the autism spectrum.

00:30:04.940 And the reason I say it's, it's not that people on the spectrum murder.

00:30:08.460 It's that a lot of kids on the spectrum go down the gender rabbit hole.

00:30:14.220 They, they tend to have the patience for a three hour session on Reddit.

00:30:18.420 You know, they can have obsessive thinking.

00:30:20.540 And so they're particularly vulnerable to these online social media traps that are laid

00:30:25.980 for kids who are not trans to start believing that they are.

00:30:29.160 It's really no surprise to those of us who, you know, cover these stories a lot that this

00:30:33.900 young woman had some sort of autism spectrum disorder and wound up getting sucked into this

00:30:40.520 cult.

00:30:41.000 It's, it happens time and time again.

00:30:43.040 Another thing you're not allowed to say, another thing we may get censored for.

00:30:46.740 It's just sick and tired of it, Michael.

00:30:48.760 I know you are too.

00:30:49.740 I've seen you get attacked.

00:30:50.940 I mean, I've seen what's happened to you and you were on the early edge of this.

00:30:54.520 You know, I just, I'm really sick and tired of it.

00:30:57.400 I care.

00:30:58.320 I'm going to be honest.

00:30:59.320 I care more about the life of the innocent kid who, uh, uh, Metcalf who got killed.

00:31:09.280 Um, than I do about these kids who have murder on their minds.

00:31:13.640 I also care about them, but I just have to say like, I'm, I'm not so sensitive that I

00:31:17.760 can't discuss what really led to the murders.

00:31:19.500 I'm really thinking more about preventing the next murder.

00:31:22.200 Here's the brother, the twin brother, uh, of the boy just killed in Frisco, Texas.

00:31:27.000 There was this kid, uh, before I knew his name now, this kid was sitting under our, our,

00:31:33.980 uh, tent at track.

00:31:36.300 We asked him to move.

00:31:37.880 He started getting aggressive and talking reckless.

00:31:41.460 And my brother sat there and said, you need to move.

00:31:43.880 He's like, make me move.

00:31:44.900 Austin grabbed his backpack.

00:31:46.740 This kid, I, I tried to whip around as fast as I could, but I didn't see the stab.

00:31:52.320 Um, but then I look at my, and I look at my brother and then I'm not going to talk about

00:31:56.720 the rest, but just, that's, that's just what I saw.

00:31:59.580 And I, I mean, I, I try to, I try to help him, but.

00:32:04.040 It was just senseless.

00:32:06.420 It was, it was really senseless, really.

00:32:08.700 I don't know why a person would do that to someone just over that little argument.

00:32:12.980 It's just, it's just crazy in this world nowadays how people just up and do that.

00:32:17.080 Like that, a man of the family, that man has people that care about them all the time.

00:32:21.120 And he, he, he did everything for our family too.

00:32:23.440 He was a strong man.

00:32:24.240 He was a strong, strong kid.

00:32:26.080 Oh, that's the twin brother.

00:32:28.180 The Austin Metcalf is the kid, the 17 year old killed.

00:32:31.300 That's his brother Hunter, whose life has been devastated.

00:32:34.680 I mean, it's not even just about the loss of Austin.

00:32:38.800 It's about what happened to Hunter as the eyewitness and the twin brother and what happened to the

00:32:43.120 dad, Jeff, who's already searching for forgiveness, but very capable of identifying some of the risks here.

00:32:49.280 There's another story.

00:32:51.060 It's not exactly the same, but it's, it, it dovetails.

00:32:57.280 There is, for lack of a better term, a teacher sex scandal unfolding in Chicago.

00:33:04.280 And the tape of this woman has gone everywhere.

00:33:06.960 And I understand why, trust me.

00:33:08.660 I worked at Fox News for 14 years.

00:33:10.280 There wasn't a teacher sex scandal we didn't cover there.

00:33:12.380 But there's some level of depravity in our society.

00:33:16.400 I mean, that's really what we're talking about.

00:33:17.880 There's some level of depravity and in some cases, mental illness.

00:33:22.620 And this woman, while, yes, she's a woman.

00:33:25.160 So technically in one of the favorite classes, that's not what this story is about.

00:33:28.860 She is getting some press coverage, but there's something wrong with a woman.

00:33:33.400 A woman, if, as she's accused of doing, who has, well, they're accusing her of raping a 15-year-old student.

00:33:42.320 She, no one is saying that her student, who she allegedly raped, sex without consent, was special ed, but she was a special ed teacher at the school.

00:33:52.020 So I don't know whether he was or he wasn't.

00:33:54.900 But he was 15 years old.

00:33:56.780 It happened in 2023.

00:33:59.240 Reportedly, that student's mother found disturbing text messages between the two of them when she logged onto her son's iCloud account after she bought him a new phone.

00:34:10.100 He was a soccer player that she coached, and she was also tutoring this young man.

00:34:16.920 And the mother, of course, went bullshit when she found the text messages.

00:34:22.080 So this woman gets pulled over.

00:34:25.000 There's a couple of pieces of tape here.

00:34:26.720 She gets pulled over by police with her husband in the passenger seat.

00:34:32.400 She's in the driver's seat a couple of days ago.

00:34:35.000 Here's a bit of that.

00:34:36.880 Sorry, back over here.

00:34:37.700 So we do have an investigation going on.

00:34:40.720 We have to talk to you about it at the police department, okay?

00:34:43.200 So we're going to explain everything to you there.

00:34:45.120 It's not my investigation.

00:34:46.420 I don't know the full details.

00:34:47.680 We do have to bring you there, though, okay?

00:34:49.900 So I do have to put you in handcuffs and bring you to the police department.

00:34:52.980 Just a down track.

00:34:53.780 Yes, unfortunately, yes.

00:34:54.780 I'm, like, willing to go with you.

00:34:55.900 I get it, yeah.

00:34:56.680 Unfortunately, we have to do it that way.

00:34:58.220 Let's do me a favor.

00:34:58.760 We'll just take this off.

00:35:01.720 Can I ask you what?

00:35:03.020 Of course, of course, yeah.

00:35:03.720 It's not like I said it's not my investigation.

00:35:05.640 Obviously, we are here for a reason.

00:35:07.180 So go ahead and turn it around for me.

00:35:09.240 At the moment, other than that, it's an investigation.

00:35:11.840 That's all I can really tell you right now.

00:35:12.920 I'm sorry.

00:35:13.460 I wish I could tell you more.

00:35:14.500 I really would prefer that my husband's with me.

00:35:16.820 Of course.

00:35:22.780 Okay.

00:35:23.220 So she's very angry that the husband can't come with her.

00:35:25.460 She's arrested, not really understanding what she's arrested for, supposedly.

00:35:29.880 I mean, okay.

00:35:32.340 How many crimes had she committed?

00:35:33.820 Because that one should have been pretty obvious and on the nose.

00:35:36.740 And then there's tape later where it's dawning on her what she's in trouble for and what's

00:35:43.080 about to happen to her.

00:35:44.240 Here it is.

00:35:45.700 I have a feeling I'm going to throw up.

00:35:47.540 You want a bag?

00:35:48.300 All right.

00:35:52.040 She'd learned the charges by this point.

00:35:54.060 She's in the back of the cop car.

00:35:55.140 What we won't see is the video of this boy's mother.

00:36:24.620 crying at night in her bed.

00:36:27.340 I am sure the night she discovered that this had happened to her son.

00:36:32.040 I have a 15 year old.

00:36:33.600 They're young.

00:36:34.780 They are not yet men.

00:36:36.280 They are coming of age at age 15.

00:36:40.160 This is absolutely disgusting.

00:36:43.160 She, just to complete the narrative, is denying that she sexually assaulted the student.

00:36:47.500 She said, quote, everyone comes after her because she is good looking.

00:36:51.920 That's the quote.

00:36:52.580 Because she is good looking, according to court documents.

00:36:54.980 She was arrested earlier in March, on March 16th.

00:36:58.840 She confessed to police that she cared too much about the student, but claimed he broke

00:37:03.780 into her phone and sent these problematic text messages as blackmail that I guess she

00:37:10.020 wasn't participating in the back and forth.

00:37:11.700 She claimed that one day he grabbed her phone unattended, had entered her passcode, because

00:37:17.460 yeah, my 15 year old certainly knows the passcode of all of his teachers' iPhones, had sent the

00:37:23.580 message to his own phone, had then deleted the message from her phone, and had saved it to

00:37:29.600 his phone as blackmail.

00:37:31.840 The messages included as follows.

00:37:33.940 Her, writing to him, I love you so much, baby, even though this morning was short, it was

00:37:40.140 perfect.

00:37:41.060 Student responded, I know, baby, it was perfect, baby, so perfect.

00:37:45.240 She wrote, I love having sex with you.

00:37:48.360 It's a pretty good admission for the prosecution.

00:37:50.500 Student responded, I know, baby, I love it so much, it feels so good, it's so passionate,

00:37:55.380 it's so intimate, it's so perfect.

00:37:58.020 On top of all that, continue thinking in your mind of what her defense is.

00:38:01.980 He wrote all of that.

00:38:03.120 He grabbed my phone, he knew my passcode, he wrote all that, he wrote all the back and

00:38:05.900 forth, and then deleted my half of the conversation from my phone, which is just already such utter

00:38:11.720 nonsense.

00:38:12.640 Court documents allege that this, the teacher, Christina Formella is her name, had also written

00:38:19.500 about the student in her notes app on her phone.

00:38:24.180 Formella told police she had used the app as an outlet for her anxiety, and references about

00:38:30.840 sex were only about her husband.

00:38:34.620 So that is the story of Christina Formella, again, denying all charges, but in a lot of

00:38:41.920 trouble today, Michael.

00:38:43.560 And I'm assuming that the police have their woman, and that this went down as they allege.

00:38:48.980 It is yet another example of just some sort of strange and severe cultural depravity.

00:38:57.400 Well, Megan, I have to ask, you know, if we've got the notes and we've got the text messages,

00:39:05.580 at what point is the police department going to come out and say, you know, we have this

00:39:08.600 video of this woman saying on camera, I'm about to commit this crime with this student.

00:39:13.100 And then she's going to say it was actually AI.

00:39:14.600 It was Grok that made that video.

00:39:15.860 And then there's going to be another video that says, I am, this is not AI.

00:39:19.240 I mean, they might as well, she might've done a live performance for all of the evidence

00:39:22.360 against her.

00:39:23.480 And yet, you do have to ask yourself, how did we end up in this place where these stories

00:39:29.920 are so totally normalized?

00:39:31.480 And the first question that comes to me when I think about the story we were just previously

00:39:35.520 talking about is, if a child at 16 years old, 14 years old, 10 years old, 8 years old,

00:39:42.240 has the right to make a permanent sexual decision, a decision to sterilize himself, to remove his

00:39:50.420 genitals or her genitals, to, you know, really long-term decisions, then why doesn't a 15-year-old

00:39:56.980 have the ability to consent to a romp with his teacher?

00:40:00.180 He doesn't, obviously, despite all the reactions, you know, where were these teachers when I was

00:40:03.960 in school?

00:40:04.240 We have age of consent for a reason, but we only apply it conveniently.

00:40:09.340 And when we're talking about long-term sexual decisions, no, no, no, that's totally fine.

00:40:14.300 The child can consent.

00:40:15.020 God, you're so right.

00:40:16.000 You know, the child could consent at 5 years old.

00:40:17.840 So that's the first part.

00:40:18.780 Second part is, we've been told since the 1960s, at least, that sex is no big deal.

00:40:23.640 You know, it's just like a handshake.

00:40:25.040 It's not the sort of thing that's really just for husband and wife, for serious people who

00:40:28.340 are committed, who are open to the possibility of a child, which is the product of sex.

00:40:31.820 No, no, no, no, no.

00:40:32.500 It's just like a handshake, man.

00:40:34.020 It's no big deal.

00:40:34.680 But then this creates a bizarre contradiction, because we're told sex doesn't mean anything

00:40:39.580 at all, but sexual assault is much worse than any other kind of assault.

00:40:43.480 Well, how is that?

00:40:44.420 I don't, you know, if sex is just a handshake, just between two people who can consent, and

00:40:49.820 if children can consent now too, according to this logic, then why is this a news story

00:40:53.840 at all?

00:40:54.620 It just shows you the huge gap between what we all know to be true with our common sense

00:41:00.080 and the law and the popular culture that it's been foisted on us by radical ideologues now

00:41:05.040 for half a century or more.

00:41:08.040 Okay.

00:41:08.700 Speaking of the trans issue, I don't know if you saw this viral video yesterday.

00:41:14.260 I saw it on the Icons feed on X, but there was a young woman, a fencer, USA fencer, Stephanie

00:41:21.560 Turner is her name, and she was competing in a fencing match for USA fencing as part of

00:41:32.540 it, and she was placed up against a male pretending to be female.

00:41:37.720 And look at this, Michael.

00:41:38.600 She took a knee.

00:41:40.200 She took a knee.

00:41:42.140 She refused to fight.

00:41:45.840 There he is, towering over her, by the way.

00:41:49.020 Uh, she said, I saw that I was going to be in a pool, meaning a fencing pool with Redmond.

00:41:56.560 His name is Redmond Sullivan.

00:41:58.100 And from there I said, okay, let's do it.

00:42:01.020 I'm going to take the knee.

00:42:02.320 I knew what I had to do because USA fencing had not been listening to women's objections.

00:42:06.460 I took a knee immediately and Redmond Sullivan was under the impression that I was going to

00:42:10.520 start fencing.

00:42:11.340 When I took the knee, I looked at the ref and I said, I'm sorry, I cannot do this.

00:42:15.280 I am a woman and this is a man.

00:42:17.440 And this is a woman's tournament and I will not fence this individual.

00:42:22.960 Redmond did not hear me.

00:42:24.240 He came up to me.

00:42:25.220 He thinks I may be hurt or he doesn't understand what's happening.

00:42:28.220 He asks, are you okay?

00:42:29.260 And I said, I'm sorry.

00:42:31.100 I have much love and respect for you, but I will not fence you.

00:42:35.140 Um, shortly thereafter, USA fencing produced a statement in support of the man, Sullivan

00:42:43.660 and transgender participation in the sport.

00:42:48.060 And Stephanie Turner, the female was disqualified as a result of all this.

00:42:54.740 She's a heroine that took a lot of guts and God only knows how hard she worked right.

00:43:01.820 To get to this point, this guy, uh, Redmond Sullivan was a male and living as a male a year

00:43:10.700 and two years ago.

00:43:12.220 Look, this is the beginning of his transition.

00:43:14.540 We'll show you some earlier pictures of him, which I saw online earlier where he's a fat,

00:43:20.060 rather unattractive man.

00:43:23.260 Just like two seasons earlier.

00:43:24.900 And of course you're, you won't be surprised to learn not a very good fencer.

00:43:30.660 You know, the only place that a woman has ever beaten a man as a sword in a sword fight

00:43:35.540 is Disney movies, Star Wars recently, Snow White, right?

00:43:40.140 She's taking on men with swords, but in reality, no woman has ever beaten a man in a sword fight

00:43:47.200 or really in any physical endeavor.

00:43:49.600 It just doesn't happen that way.

00:43:51.660 And so this, this woman was not only principled to take a stand here, but she was also just

00:43:57.160 prudent.

00:43:57.800 You know, a no, a woman should not be putting herself in a situation where she is engaged

00:44:01.880 in any kind of physical activity, uh, up to and including fencing with, with, uh, men.

00:44:06.620 And, you know, she, she has the right to her own sports leagues, of course.

00:44:11.060 Uh, but I want to answer preemptively a criticism that I know that we're going to get from the left

00:44:15.260 on this, which is the left is going to say, you conservatives, you don't really care about

00:44:21.520 women's sports.

00:44:22.700 Well, I know you talk about it all the time and it's a 95, five issue and it helps win

00:44:27.540 elections for Republicans, but you conservatives, you don't really care about women's sports

00:44:31.660 to which I say, you're right.

00:44:34.760 I don't, I don't care at all about the WNBA.

00:44:38.780 I don't care about women's soccer.

00:44:40.380 I don't care about men's soccer for that matter.

00:44:42.160 I don't care about women's fencing.

00:44:43.620 What I care about is justice.

00:44:46.960 That is why conservatives are focusing on this issue.

00:44:50.000 It is unjust to subject women to these competitions with men.

00:44:54.380 First of all, where they could get traumatic brain injuries, as we saw in the volleyball

00:44:57.720 competition.

00:44:58.600 It's also unjust to take women's trophies away.

00:45:01.700 It's, it's certainly unjust to take women's university scholarships away.

00:45:05.080 And it's just not right.

00:45:06.700 You know, uh, why don't we let men into the women's sports leagues?

00:45:10.100 Cause they're called women's sports leagues and that's not right.

00:45:12.820 And we need to live in accordance with reality in a way that befits a civilized society.

00:45:17.460 That's why you're right.

00:45:18.680 I'm never going to watch women's fencing ever, but women ought to have the right to their sports

00:45:23.120 leagues.

00:45:23.480 And we as citizens have the right to insist upon justice.

00:45:26.780 If, if we don't, then what, what's the point of the government?

00:45:30.540 Exactly right.

00:45:31.780 Here's, here are the stats on this male fencer.

00:45:35.600 He, uh, after he graduated from high school, began attending Wagner college in Staten Island.

00:45:39.780 He joined the men's fencing team, uh, in June of 2023, he placed 29th out of 58 male competitors.

00:45:46.840 And in November of 2023, six months later, he began competing in women's fencing, uh, by

00:45:54.980 November of 2024, he won three zero all of his matchups.

00:45:59.940 And in December, 2024, he won gold at the Connecticut division junior Olympic qualifier

00:46:05.740 in the junior women's foil.

00:46:08.940 This event at which she took the knee, his competitor was the USA fencing event at the

00:46:14.400 university of Maryland.

00:46:16.380 And again, she received a black card exclusion from competition for refusing to, to compete

00:46:21.080 against this man, Redmond Sullivan.

00:46:23.340 And honestly, like shame on USA fencing for not creating an open division where Redmond

00:46:30.220 could go compete.

00:46:32.080 Shame on them for relegating this guy to only the women's, uh, division.

00:46:37.300 I mean, he could have fences a male and shame on him for cheating because he knows full well

00:46:42.020 he went through male puberty, has full male advantage, and that he's stealing the medals.

00:46:47.180 The only sympathetic characters in this entire thing, as is typical, is the actual real women

00:46:54.240 who are left with nothing but bad choices, Michael, when they get faced with a guy like

00:47:00.000 this.

00:47:00.740 Well, and then the question for us fencing and all of these other sports leagues is, okay,

00:47:05.380 what are they going to do about it?

00:47:06.780 Could they, as you suggested, make a, I don't know, a third league, you know, you get the

00:47:10.540 men's league and the women's league and then the trans league.

00:47:13.100 Well, that probably won't work because you got two kinds of trans, the man who identifies

00:47:18.280 as a woman and the woman who identifies as a man.

00:47:20.960 And so because there's still really men and women, you can't have them fighting each other.

00:47:24.840 They're, you're, you're just back at the same problem.

00:47:26.300 So, okay, you could have the trans league one, the M to W trans league, and then the

00:47:31.480 W to M trans league.

00:47:33.040 But then of course, what about the people who don't identify as men or women?

00:47:36.780 You know, what about the people who are pansexual?

00:47:38.660 You're just going to have to make it the TQ.

00:47:40.340 It's going to have to be the TQ lane.

00:47:43.100 We, that's the, that's my, we could either have 150 leagues or we can do something that

00:47:49.000 there are going to be some people even on the center, right, uh, don't support, which

00:47:52.540 is just insist upon reality.

00:47:55.340 Can we all just insist upon reality, please?

00:47:57.720 Yeah.

00:47:57.940 He could fence with the men.

00:47:59.400 It is with the bathrooms.

00:48:00.800 They say, well, instead of having a male bathroom and a female bathroom, let's have a third

00:48:04.200 one or a fourth one or a fifth one.

00:48:05.700 No.

00:48:06.220 How about we just have two because there are only men and women and change and let's just be

00:48:10.840 real and you have to act normal because we live in society.

00:48:13.700 I got to get this.

00:48:14.580 What last one in the woman who played Elphaba in wicked, the movie, she just won an Academy

00:48:19.440 award for the performance.

00:48:20.480 Cynthia Erivo goes by they, them and explained why at the glad awards this weekend.

00:48:26.940 It isn't easy.

00:48:32.400 None of it is.

00:48:34.720 Waking up and choosing to be yourself.

00:48:37.840 Proclaiming a space belongs to you when you don't feel welcomed.

00:48:41.760 Teaching people on a daily basis how to address you and dealing with the frustration of reteaching

00:48:47.580 people a word that has been in the human vocabulary since the dawn of time.

00:48:52.400 They, them.

00:48:53.740 Words used to describe pedantically two or more people.

00:49:01.700 Poetically, a person who is simply more.

00:49:06.020 What do you make of it, Michael?

00:49:07.400 It's exhausting.

00:49:08.060 Reminds me of Mama Cash.

00:49:09.600 Just to be yourself is the hardest thing to be.

00:49:13.100 And I thought, no, that's not true.

00:49:15.140 Like being a mathematician is harder probably.

00:49:16.840 Or a welder.

00:49:17.820 Or like a marathon runner.

00:49:19.620 It's actually not that hard to wake up and be yourself.

00:49:22.260 And the irony, of course, is the people at this awards gala are insisting upon not being

00:49:26.820 themselves and not living in accord with their pre-nature.

00:49:29.840 Plus, it's like when you're going to hijack a pre-existing term in the English language

00:49:33.700 like they, them, and try to make it mean something totally different, yeah, you're probably going

00:49:37.980 to have some explaining to do.

00:49:39.060 This is the thing.

00:49:42.340 Unless these people are multiple, you know, my name is Legion for we are many, which is

00:49:47.700 a totally separate problem, by the way, then we need to live in accord with reality.

00:49:52.960 Because at a really basic political level, if we all have the right to our own subjective

00:49:57.980 identity, then we can't communicate with each other.

00:50:00.640 We can't know anything about each other.

00:50:02.740 And we become a grunting, roving bands of baboons.

00:50:06.220 Even worse, because we deny our own natural instincts and society becomes totally incoherent.

00:50:11.940 As you may have noticed, Megan, it has.

00:50:14.740 Yeah.

00:50:15.920 Listen, it's a pleasure to see you, my friend.

00:50:18.780 This is a disturbing string of news, but an important one.

00:50:21.960 We got to keep an eye on ourselves.

00:50:23.860 Michael Knowles, thank you, sir.

00:50:25.700 Pleasure's all mine, Megan.

00:50:26.900 And even with all the crazy weather in Nashville, I'm glad I could beam into you from my home

00:50:31.720 office, and I hope my screaming children at least made a good starring run on the show

00:50:36.100 for the audio.

00:50:37.600 Oh, God.

00:50:38.180 So you're, everybody's safe.

00:50:41.220 Everybody's safe, other than my poor wife, who's chasing toddlers around the home.

00:50:44.940 But everyone, everyone else is good.

00:50:46.920 Okay, good luck with that.

00:50:48.060 It's a pleasure.

00:50:49.620 Gosh, Nashville's really getting hit right now.

00:50:51.500 So yeah, Michael had to move from his studio to his home.

00:50:54.020 We appreciate him making it.

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00:52:18.640 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:52:20.320 Joining me now, someone from the other side of the aisle, Anna Kasparian.

00:52:23.580 She's host and executive producer of The Young Turks.

00:52:27.260 Anna, welcome back.

00:52:28.000 Great to see you.

00:52:28.760 Um, all right, so this could be your future as somebody who is not necessarily in the Donald

00:52:34.980 Trump fan club.

00:52:36.180 I would, like, I wouldn't, I don't see you in the red hat.

00:52:39.040 Um, you too, if you know Kid Rock at all, or even I think I could do it, could get invited

00:52:46.400 to the White House to sit down with Donald Trump.

00:52:50.420 He brought Bill Maher, he was on Bill Maher's show, he convinced Bill Maher to go to the White

00:52:54.540 House to the satisfaction of no one.

00:52:56.960 Now, no one wanted to see this.

00:52:59.080 It's kind of like when Mika and Joe went to Mar-a-Lago.

00:53:02.400 And Bill did it, even though he really doesn't like Donald Trump.

00:53:06.500 And he says he's going to talk about it on his show.

00:53:08.640 I guess he's off this Friday, but I guess the following Friday.

00:53:12.160 But in the meantime, we're getting a flavor for what went down because Kid Rock went on

00:53:15.940 Fox and Friends the next morning and said this.

00:53:19.380 Me, Bill, Dana White, and, um, and it could not have been better.

00:53:24.240 Everyone was so surprised, so, so pleasant.

00:53:26.680 The most shocking thing to me was, you know, Bill's obviously a very big liberal, been very

00:53:30.920 hard on the president, but he's donated a lot of money to other politicians.

00:53:34.080 You know, you've had Biden, Clinton, Obama, everybody.

00:53:36.960 He had never been to the White House.

00:53:38.720 And the president was so gracious.

00:53:40.000 He took us up to the private residence.

00:53:41.700 We saw the Gettysburg Address in the Lincoln bedroom.

00:53:44.040 And I was like, you've never been here, Bill?

00:53:46.560 And I was like, how about this?

00:53:47.620 President Trump, you know, extending this olive branch.

00:53:50.460 And like, and we talked about things we had in common, you know, ending wokeness, you

00:53:54.580 know, you know, securing the border.

00:53:56.860 You know, the president was asking him what he thought about policy, you know, going on

00:54:00.760 with Iran and Israel and things.

00:54:02.460 It was, it just meant it blew my mind.

00:54:04.860 It was, I was, I was, you know, very, very proud.

00:54:07.440 Amazing.

00:54:10.160 And by the way, it was also added that Marr showed up with a list of terrible things that

00:54:14.400 Trump had said about Marr and he showed it, I guess, to President Trump, who, who signed

00:54:19.260 it and gave it back to him.

00:54:22.160 Wow.

00:54:22.880 Classic.

00:54:24.000 Classic.

00:54:25.360 Anyway.

00:54:25.980 Yeah.

00:54:26.240 So what do you make of it?

00:54:27.160 Because the left is very unhappy with Bill for doing this.

00:54:31.140 I don't know that the right is loving it either, but I think they're used to Trump doing this

00:54:34.720 now because he's had a parade of liberals come to him from big tech people to media people.

00:54:39.040 So what's your take on it?

00:54:40.900 Well, I have some experience with this, not necessarily meeting with Donald Trump, of course,

00:54:45.540 but, you know, the culture where you're not supposed to talk to the other side at all.

00:54:51.620 I mean, I've lost friends for my willingness to come on shows like this one because I think

00:54:56.860 it's important to have these conversations.

00:54:58.360 I do think that there are areas of common ground.

00:55:01.040 It doesn't mean you need to be a Trump supporter, but Trump is the president of the United States,

00:55:07.080 meaning he's meant to represent everyone, including individuals who did not vote for

00:55:11.180 him.

00:55:11.640 And if the left in general is unwilling to even have a conversation with anyone on the right,

00:55:17.320 including the president, well, how are you ever going to expect him to consider the issues

00:55:23.480 that matter the most to you?

00:55:24.960 So I actually think opening up dialogue with individuals you disagree with is more important

00:55:30.840 than just existing in this echo chamber where you're going to hear everything you want to

00:55:35.760 hear, where your ideas are going to be validated.

00:55:37.640 And quite frankly, where the lack of challenge to your ideas will make you quite weak and unappealing

00:55:45.060 eventually to the electorate.

00:55:46.460 Do you think is, I know, I know Bill loosely.

00:55:51.260 I've been on the show many times.

00:55:52.980 I really do think he can't stand President Trump.

00:55:57.100 I mean, he truly has got like a sincere case of the TDS, but he did this, which was extraordinary.

00:56:03.660 So do you think there's any chance he comes out liking Trump?

00:56:07.880 Knowing Bill Maher's values, it's unlikely.

00:56:14.060 I do think that they have some common ground because of the fact that Bill Maher is willing

00:56:18.380 to call out some of the pathologies on the left, some of the culture, cultural issues

00:56:23.520 on the left, the closed mindedness and stuff like that.

00:56:25.680 So I think that finding that common ground is important.

00:56:29.120 And I think that's what kind of opened up this situation where they can sit down and have

00:56:32.560 a conversation with each other.

00:56:33.760 But that doesn't necessarily mean that Bill Maher is going to be like a red hat wearing

00:56:37.660 Trump supporter tomorrow.

00:56:39.180 It just means that at least he had a dialogue.

00:56:42.480 Maybe he's better.

00:56:43.940 He's better suited to understand where Trump is coming from and vice versa.

00:56:48.300 It's just an important thing to do when you have two major public figures who disagree

00:56:52.920 with each other come together.

00:56:54.740 And I think what Kid Rock said about the importance of healing the country is very much true.

00:56:59.960 Again, you have two very different sides.

00:57:02.160 But is there a way that the two different sides can work together where they have common

00:57:06.160 ground and also not engage in this really disgusting fear mongering and dehumanization

00:57:11.480 that we've seen in this country for the last several decades in regard to the other side?

00:57:16.220 We need to get past that because we need to bring Americans together.

00:57:20.320 I hate the fact that we've been dehumanizing each other for so long.

00:57:24.320 I'll tell you a funny story of how I met Kid Rock.

00:57:27.760 It was 15 years ago.

00:57:29.320 I was hosting an afternoon show on Fox called America Live.

00:57:34.220 And I would go through the show email while on the air, like during the commercial breaks

00:57:39.840 and the audience would write in and you kept it interactive.

00:57:42.260 And an email popped up saying it was from Kid Rock and that he was in town in New York

00:57:47.920 that night for his birthday and was wondering if Doug, my husband, and I could come.

00:57:53.640 And it said where the party was.

00:57:55.420 And it just had the ring of truth because it was specific and had Doug's name, but I

00:57:59.940 was also like, this has got to be bullshit.

00:58:02.280 So I forwarded it to my booker and I was like, can you see if this is real?

00:58:05.660 Because I actually am a fan of Kid Rock's.

00:58:07.660 And so she got back to me and said, it's real.

00:58:09.920 So that night, Doug and I went to this little bar that Kid Rock was having his birthday party

00:58:16.180 in.

00:58:16.640 We walked in.

00:58:17.480 He was sitting there.

00:58:18.180 He looked at me.

00:58:18.660 He goes, holy shit, it worked.

00:58:23.320 And we became friends ever after.

00:58:25.760 So I really like him a lot.

00:58:26.900 And he's, listen, he's gone, you know, he's very pro-Trump now and he's MAGA, but he really

00:58:31.160 was a political independent who was very open-minded.

00:58:34.180 I would put him closer to like a Joe Rogan who was maybe in a lot of ways more blue in

00:58:39.340 his politics, but then we all lost our loving minds as a culture.

00:58:42.480 And he's Kid Rock, for God's sake.

00:58:44.960 I mean, there was there's zero chance that he is going to go woke.

00:58:48.700 And that, among other issues, I think, drove him into the arms of Donald Trump and MAGA.

00:58:53.860 Yeah, I mean, look, I think that there are a few different things happening simultaneously.

00:58:58.740 And I definitely played a role in it.

00:59:01.840 And then once I realized how toxic it was, I tried to kind of reform the way that, you

00:59:06.760 know, the majority of people on the left think about engaging in dialogue.

00:59:10.740 So if you want to have any influence or sway over people in positions of power, whether

00:59:18.500 it be a member of the media, whether it be a politician or even the president of the

00:59:23.000 United States, you can't just close yourself off to talking to the other side, right?

00:59:28.480 And if you do, then you're not going to have any influence.

00:59:31.040 You're going to be part of your cutesy little exclusive club where you engage in purity contests

00:59:35.820 and you purge people away or purge people out of your group.

00:59:39.960 Whereas I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about this.

00:59:42.120 And I'm going to ask you.

00:59:43.420 I feel that the right wing, whether they're doing it because of who they are, their own

00:59:48.880 personal culture and how they value conversations or whether they're doing it as a way of accumulating

00:59:54.200 power, they bring people in.

00:59:56.440 Even if there are some significant disagreements, if there are areas where they can find commonality

01:00:03.120 or agreement with the other side, they're super welcoming and inviting.

01:00:07.940 And that's how you build power.

01:00:09.940 That's how you build power.

01:00:11.080 I mean, you bring people in, you don't push people out.

01:00:13.860 I totally agree with that.

01:00:14.680 And I do think there's a reason for it.

01:00:15.840 I think it's because people who are on the right spend their whole lives dealing with people

01:00:19.060 who disagree with them.

01:00:19.820 You know, that's just society while it's split, you know, 50, 50 or 55, 45, depending

01:00:25.020 on the era, Dem and Republican.

01:00:27.960 And now that Republicans have the edge these days, but overall liberals control the institutions.

01:00:33.600 You know, they've controlled the media for a long time.

01:00:35.280 They control Hollywood.

01:00:36.320 They control big sports.

01:00:37.620 They control big corporations.

01:00:39.500 So if you're a conservative or even just center right, like you have to deal with them

01:00:44.100 everywhere.

01:00:44.980 And K through 12, not to mention college education.

01:00:46.980 My God, everyone, everyone's liberal and they want you to be too.

01:00:50.620 So you either need to like be able to talk the talk or be able to politely engage.

01:00:55.740 And as I always say, not make that the stakes of your friendship.

01:00:59.620 If you're talking about actual friends, you know, because in where I grew up, you'd have

01:01:04.220 no friends if you, if you only waited for conservatives to come into your life, right?

01:01:07.900 Like I was living on the opposite side of Manhattan for the past 17 years.

01:01:11.480 I wouldn't have a single friend if I waited for it to be all conservatives.

01:01:14.600 And I didn't really want to hang out with my Fox people because while they were fine at

01:01:18.380 work, you know, it's like, you don't want to fill your social life with media people.

01:01:21.220 That's, you know, that doesn't, that's not where anybody wants to go.

01:01:24.200 So yeah, I think you're absolutely right, but it's disheartening.

01:01:26.860 It's disheartening because, you know, recently I lost a friendship over politics.

01:01:30.320 I mean, at this point in my life, I thought we'd be past that.

01:01:33.140 But as I've gotten more pro-MAGA, that's been like a deal breaker for some of my leftist friends.

01:01:38.860 I mean, I'm not even pro-MAGA.

01:01:41.920 I'm just someone who's willing to have these types of conversations.

01:01:45.260 And I've lost friends over that.

01:01:47.340 You know, my core values haven't changed, but I also realized that on some issues,

01:01:52.460 I didn't have all the information and I changed my mind based on additional information I was

01:01:58.000 exposed to.

01:01:58.760 But, you know, the cultish treatment of politics, I think, has been really, really toxic for this

01:02:05.540 country.

01:02:06.440 And if you're already at a point where you're automatically dehumanizing the other side or

01:02:11.180 a member of the other side, you've gone way, way too far and you're actually taking part

01:02:16.700 in what's ripping the country apart.

01:02:18.740 So I'm not a Kid Rock fan.

01:02:20.720 I want to be clear about that.

01:02:21.900 But the fact that he, out of all these people, out of all these people, was able to set up

01:02:28.720 a meeting between Bill Maher and Donald Trump is admirable.

01:02:31.940 So I'm glad that Bill Maher did it.

01:02:33.700 I hope that he doesn't get too much backlash because I don't see him as someone who's going

01:02:38.280 to go out and start cheerleading the Trump administration.

01:02:41.740 But I don't even he's leading by example.

01:02:43.820 Having these conversations is important.

01:02:46.440 Yeah.

01:02:46.660 And Trump's ripped on him, too.

01:02:48.000 I mean, it's been a mutual non-admiration society.

01:02:51.140 So perhaps it'll be a thaw.

01:02:53.340 He, to his credit, Bill Maher is a comedian who still wants to be funny.

01:02:56.340 You know, he does his monologue every week.

01:02:57.800 He rips on both sides.

01:02:59.200 He's genuinely looking to make people laugh.

01:03:01.080 And he's really good at it.

01:03:03.840 OK, so do we take this over into the field of romance, though?

01:03:07.500 You know, our general mutual philosophy of don't rule out somebody as a friend or somebody

01:03:12.880 you'd speak to because of their politics, because there's this viral video.

01:03:17.580 I'm sure you saw it going around on the Internet.

01:03:19.000 I saw it on X, but I'm sure it's on Insta and TikTok and all of them of this liberal

01:03:23.560 woman who says she broke up with her boyfriend over politics.

01:03:27.520 And this has engendered so many strong feelings in the comments section wherever it gets posted.

01:03:35.460 Here's a bit of it in South 38.

01:03:36.700 So I am obviously like very much everyone knows that I'm a liberal woman.

01:03:42.760 My brother's gay.

01:03:43.400 All my friends are gay.

01:03:44.100 Also like abortion rights, female rights.

01:03:46.660 But anyways, so I would like always ask him, I'd be like, what?

01:03:50.240 Like, what's what's your politics?

01:03:52.380 Like, what do you who do you where do you lean?

01:03:55.260 And he was just like, well, like socially, I'm a liberal, but economically, I'm a Republican.

01:04:00.260 Fuck that.

01:04:02.320 OK, fuck this.

01:04:03.580 This is my last straw.

01:04:04.960 Again, I'm a very liberal woman.

01:04:06.860 I have to date someone that is on the same page as me because I can't disagree with someone

01:04:11.080 on something that is so important to me for the rest of my life.

01:04:14.700 I fully respect Republicans.

01:04:16.940 I understand that you want to vote that way.

01:04:19.100 But for me, I don't want to marry you and I don't want to date you.

01:04:21.480 So we ended it.

01:04:24.280 And no regrets.

01:04:26.200 I've been single ever since.

01:04:26.960 It was awesome.

01:04:27.560 It's been awesome.

01:04:28.180 It's like virtually every man I follow an ex had the same response.

01:04:33.640 Dodged a bullet there, man.

01:04:35.460 Congrats.

01:04:36.680 Can I just before we get to the substance of I won't date a guy who doesn't show my politics.

01:04:41.280 She's extremely unlikable.

01:04:42.820 She's caustic.

01:04:43.900 She's smug.

01:04:45.560 She's she said there's an arrogance to her.

01:04:47.980 Like, it's my way or the highway.

01:04:49.480 I know better.

01:04:50.240 I mean, you're disgusting because you don't agree with me politically.

01:04:52.540 Like, there's a disdain, even though, you know, half the country disagrees with her politically.

01:04:56.640 A lot of really good, beautiful people disagree with her politically.

01:05:01.300 Why?

01:05:02.100 Why is that associated so often with these liberal women who do these posts on social media?

01:05:09.780 Well, I have seen a lot of posts like that.

01:05:13.180 But look, I'm just going to say she seems to know herself and what she wants really well.

01:05:18.900 And she's going for it.

01:05:20.520 So go for it.

01:05:21.600 You know, I actually don't have any ill feelings toward her at all because she's determined.

01:05:27.200 I'm unwilling to move even an inch on on my politics.

01:05:31.320 But I do agree that she might be closing herself off to individuals that would be wonderful

01:05:36.560 for her, including her now ex-boyfriend, because people change, people grow and they

01:05:42.480 shift their positions on issues here and there.

01:05:45.600 I think it's wrong to think that, you know, someone's political identity can't be fluid.

01:05:50.820 I think it's fluid to some extent.

01:05:52.640 What I find really interesting is that he agreed with her on social issues and the agreement

01:05:58.340 on social issues, it's what's really likely to lead to a smoother relationship.

01:06:04.060 You know, if he's more fiscally conservative, I don't think that's necessarily something

01:06:08.640 that should be a deal breaker.

01:06:10.740 I'll tell you something, though.

01:06:11.900 I'll tell you something right now, Anna.

01:06:13.080 He didn't agree with her on social issues.

01:06:14.800 It was a lie.

01:06:15.300 Probably.

01:06:15.780 If he's fiscally conservative, he's not in today's social environment, maybe like

01:06:20.300 the social environment of 15 years ago where the big thing was like gay marriage.

01:06:23.980 Yeah.

01:06:24.560 You know, you could be like a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage Republican.

01:06:28.340 Like a Rudy Giuliani.

01:06:29.500 But there is zero chance in today's day and age somebody who says they're fiscally conservative

01:06:32.940 is actually socially liberal, too.

01:06:34.420 I don't believe it.

01:06:35.220 So she was right that they had vast differences.

01:06:37.160 I just find her so disdainful and unlikable.

01:06:41.500 And women like that are giving, like, my liberal friends a bad name because she's so nasty and

01:06:47.680 seems to be, like, playing fast and loose with this guy's feelings.

01:06:50.600 Like, he's a nothing to her just because he has different politics.

01:06:54.180 All right.

01:06:54.400 One more for you on the culture front.

01:06:56.560 And this is another woman.

01:06:58.420 And this is going to take us to a place that I've really been dying to discuss.

01:07:02.120 This is a woman named Paige Connell.

01:07:04.160 She's a TikTok mom influencer.

01:07:06.300 And she decided to post a very long.

01:07:08.300 I watched five.

01:07:09.160 I give this woman five minutes of my life, which I'll never get back.

01:07:11.800 It was all about how she's a working mom.

01:07:14.960 Her husband works, too.

01:07:15.940 They have kids.

01:07:16.920 She's very, very unsatisfied with the amount or was of housework and support he was bringing

01:07:21.920 to the home, and she really had to lecture him into doing more and then was extremely

01:07:27.740 disappointed when he did not live up to, like, her expectations.

01:07:31.980 Let me play what we have of it.

01:07:33.780 It's not 39.

01:07:34.780 My husband and I had four kids.

01:07:36.580 We both worked full time.

01:07:37.780 We had been together for 16 years at this point.

01:07:39.740 And on paper, I have an amazing husband, but I was incredibly frustrated and burnt out

01:07:45.180 from our marriage and from motherhood.

01:07:47.780 And when we have kids, women tend to carry a disproportionate amount of the work in the

01:07:52.280 home, the work of raising kids, and the mental load.

01:07:55.240 And about three months after my fourth baby was born, I remember looking at my husband

01:07:59.860 and saying, I need more.

01:08:01.440 I need you to do more.

01:08:03.040 And I said, okay, you know, something that would make my life easier is if in the mornings

01:08:07.380 when I came downstairs with the four kids, because I do mornings by myself, the dishwasher

01:08:11.220 was emptied, the dishes were put away, and the trash was taken out.

01:08:14.780 And so, of course, he does it.

01:08:16.860 But then I have to remind him, and then he forgets.

01:08:19.540 I felt so disrespected and unseen and unvalued at that point in time.

01:08:25.780 So we did the work to figure out what equity looked like in our relationship.

01:08:29.300 And it can hurt your relationship.

01:08:30.660 It can ruin your marriage if you do not participate in an equitable way in your home.

01:08:35.340 But here's the thing that most men I follow on Twitter are responding to on X.

01:08:41.000 They're offended that a wife would post a diss video about her husband on the internet in

01:08:50.780 any way, shape, or form.

01:08:53.560 Yeah, look, I have a broader point to make about that culture, and it goes well beyond

01:08:59.020 wives posting about their husbands.

01:09:01.080 Please stop airing your dirty laundry on social media, honestly.

01:09:05.960 Have a little bit of respect, a modicum of respect for the people in your personal life,

01:09:10.800 even if you're in the middle of a feud with them.

01:09:13.120 How about respect their privacy and work it out privately?

01:09:17.100 You don't need a bunch of random strangers chiming in on your relationship.

01:09:21.000 I would never in a million years do that to my husband or my friends or to my colleagues,

01:09:25.260 which has been done to me many, many times.

01:09:27.980 I think it's disgusting.

01:09:29.240 It shows a lack of maturity.

01:09:30.960 Have the conversation privately.

01:09:32.980 Work out your own drama and your own issues privately.

01:09:35.640 So that's point number one.

01:09:37.320 Point number two is, look, a marriage, as I'm sure you know, is it's a partnership.

01:09:43.540 And I think when you fail to see it as a partnership and you instead kind of like tally who's doing

01:09:48.980 what and whether or not you're pulling your weight or he's pulling his weight, that's just

01:09:53.340 a toxic environment to function in, to have a relationship in.

01:09:57.520 And so I learned that lesson pretty early on in my marriage.

01:10:01.140 I remember in the very beginning, it was like, OK, he's got his bank account.

01:10:04.180 I've got my bank account and he's going to pay these bills.

01:10:06.700 I'm going to pay those bills.

01:10:07.700 For some marriages, that works out.

01:10:09.420 But I remember, you know, Cenk Uygur, my co-host and the founder of The Young Turks,

01:10:14.260 he kind of pulled me aside and said, you're kind of paving a path to a lot of conflict here.

01:10:20.420 You have to see your marriage as a partnership and don't think of it as his money versus my money.

01:10:25.960 And honestly, that was the best advice I ever got in my marriage.

01:10:29.280 And we do really well together.

01:10:31.000 And I don't you know, he's not keeping track of whether I'm pulling my weight.

01:10:34.380 I'm not keeping track of whether he's pulling his weight.

01:10:36.260 We have mutual love and mutual respect for each other.

01:10:38.760 And we look out for each other.

01:10:40.100 That's that's, in my opinion, a successful marriage.

01:10:42.800 It reminds me of not not your particular example, but, you know, remember the Joy Luck Club,

01:10:48.420 the Joy Luck Club, where one of the four women, it's all about these four moms and then their

01:10:54.500 next gen coming up and the lives that all eight women are leading.

01:10:58.980 And the one daughter of the mom is in a marriage where the guy like makes her write down if she ate

01:11:06.800 the tub of ice cream that was in the freezer is it's going to come off of her share of the grocery

01:11:13.300 money.

01:11:13.860 You know, she ate the ice cream and that's four dollars that she now owes.

01:11:17.760 It was so I mean, it's abusive really is what it is.

01:11:20.020 It's abusive.

01:11:20.620 But I do think there's something happening with men and women in, you know, on the conservative

01:11:26.740 side of the aisle that's a little upsetting to me right now.

01:11:31.780 And that is like as as we have bent over backwards as conservatives or, you know, right leading

01:11:37.880 people to make clear to women that they don't have to, quote, have it all that like if they

01:11:43.160 don't want to work outside of the home and they want to be stay at home wives or stay at home

01:11:48.780 moms to like doing it all, that's a totally amazing choice and no one should look down on it.

01:11:55.580 It's the most important job in the world.

01:11:56.680 It's literally the most important job of the world to be to be a mother and to raise good

01:11:59.480 children.

01:12:00.260 Um, but like so many things we overcorrect, we do it on the right, the left does it too.

01:12:06.660 And what's happening right now on the right to some extent is it's it's morphing into and

01:12:12.280 there's something wrong with somebody who works and the women who work are less attractive

01:12:17.020 and not good partners.

01:12:19.160 And also, if you choose to work in like your 20s and your 30s and spend a lot of time at

01:12:26.100 the office, you're effing up your whole life.

01:12:28.520 You're not going to meet a man and you're not going to have a kid, even though that's

01:12:33.560 not necessarily true.

01:12:34.820 It's much easier to meet somebody and have a baby in your 20s because you're young and

01:12:39.100 you got your totally golden eggs.

01:12:40.660 But so many women have kids in their 30s, I mean, with without fertility help.

01:12:47.300 And we've just sort of gotten to this place on the right where the messaging to me is

01:12:51.860 like it's making me really uncomfortable.

01:12:54.800 What do you make of it?

01:12:56.740 Well, it's always made me uncomfortable, especially because I think the best possible situation

01:13:02.420 is the situation in which women get to decide.

01:13:05.640 Right.

01:13:05.780 So if they decide they want to be stay at home mothers, I think it's important to have

01:13:09.820 the economic conditions that allow for that to happen.

01:13:12.980 And I have a lot of respect for stay at home moms.

01:13:15.140 I agree with you.

01:13:15.680 I think that's literally the most difficult job in the world.

01:13:19.080 And it's important for kids to have that close relationship with their mother growing

01:13:23.800 up, especially in like the formative years.

01:13:26.000 But I do think that it's possible for mothers to work and still be great mothers.

01:13:32.320 The thing is, a lot of women don't even have that choice.

01:13:35.520 You get what I'm saying, especially in this current economy with inflation.

01:13:39.300 So I would love to live in a world where I could be a stay at home, you know, housewife,

01:13:44.340 but it's just not realistic.

01:13:46.820 You know, we got to pay our bills and we both have to work.

01:13:49.460 But I really do think if we had that economic situation in place, a lot of women would choose

01:13:54.880 to be stay at home mothers and it should be their choice.

01:13:57.840 I don't think it's anyone's place to judge the decisions that are made by any family.

01:14:03.540 Right.

01:14:04.040 It's up to that family to decide what works best for them and whether or not they could

01:14:07.480 afford the setup that they want to pursue.

01:14:10.080 But here's what's happening on the right.

01:14:12.580 Young women.

01:14:13.400 And I talk to young conservative women all the time about their lives and their goals

01:14:16.620 and, you know, the things that they want.

01:14:18.120 And what's happening is they can't find men who are maybe more conservative.

01:14:26.120 Usually they're looking for somebody who is religious, you know, like they're a lot of

01:14:29.940 conservative women tend to be God, God loving conservatives.

01:14:34.680 And they can't find a lot of young men who want to marry a working woman now.

01:14:40.860 And this is an actual pattern that's coming up on the right.

01:14:43.160 And to me, it's so sad because it's like, how do we get to the point where we were now

01:14:48.980 telling young, conservative, amazing women that they're not attractive if they also work,

01:14:56.420 if they choose to, let's say, do what I'm doing and what you're doing and like get their

01:15:00.820 voice out there.

01:15:01.400 But I'll stick with me just because I think conservatives listening to this will like the

01:15:05.300 thought of another Megyn Kelly voice up and coming.

01:15:09.060 Well, why wouldn't we want that?

01:15:11.000 Why would we take somebody who's talented in this field and really wants to make a difference

01:15:15.340 and have the messaging to her be, you're really not that valuable unless you give it up and go

01:15:21.560 into the home and only have a family and only raise a family.

01:15:25.200 And not only were you sending her that message, but young men are actually believing that.

01:15:29.940 They're actually believing it, especially on the right, because like the trad mom has gotten

01:15:34.120 so popular.

01:15:35.000 And it's like, no, if we do that, we're not going to have any strong conservative or right

01:15:40.520 leaning women to provide a role model for younger conservative women who, and there's nothing

01:15:48.180 to apologize for here, don't necessarily want to spend all their 20s and their 30s getting

01:15:54.700 married and having kids or can't.

01:15:57.440 They just weren't able to meet somebody and definitely don't need to be shamed over it.

01:16:01.940 Yeah.

01:16:02.080 I mean, look, I totally agree with you.

01:16:03.860 I'm I'm of two minds of this, though, because if you are a young man and you know what you

01:16:08.880 want and you think you have the earning power to literally carry the entire family financially,

01:16:14.740 well, then I guess wait around until you find the right woman for you.

01:16:19.640 But I think most women, not all, but most women, even conservative women, think it's important

01:16:25.520 to have some level of financial independence.

01:16:28.440 Right.

01:16:29.020 I mean, you never know if your marriage is going to go perfectly well.

01:16:33.020 Things could fall apart.

01:16:34.040 And if you haven't been in the job market at all for a long time, it's going to be difficult

01:16:39.300 for you to get back in.

01:16:40.700 So, look, it really depends on the guy.

01:16:44.700 And if he really has a problem with his wife working, well, then that's on him.

01:16:50.120 And I think he's actually going to have some difficulty finding a partner.

01:16:52.940 But there's so many factors to consider, including the financial difficulty of living in a single

01:16:59.580 income household where you're trying to raise kids.

01:17:03.660 And look, I also think whether these guys want to believe it or not, when you have a stay

01:17:08.880 at home wife, I've seen too many instances of this resentment building because for whatever

01:17:16.640 reason, guys tend to think that, oh, well, she's staying home.

01:17:20.180 She's not out there working as hard as I am.

01:17:23.040 She's just home raising the kids.

01:17:24.460 She has a comfortable life.

01:17:25.540 I'm providing for her.

01:17:26.720 This like resentment starts to build.

01:17:28.660 And I've seen it all over the place.

01:17:30.800 I've seen it in context, like my own family.

01:17:33.020 I've seen it outside of my family.

01:17:35.340 And so I think they don't really know what they're asking for here.

01:17:39.560 But I could be wrong.

01:17:40.380 Who knows?

01:17:40.880 And I agree with you.

01:17:41.820 I think that it is important to have strong female voices on both sides of the political

01:17:47.300 aisle.

01:17:47.720 And I think they could really be hurting the conservative movement by essentially, you know,

01:17:54.000 banning women from taking part in conservative media.

01:17:57.540 I mean, you're one of the strongest conservative voices, you know, female voices out there.

01:18:01.680 So if you didn't exist, I don't know.

01:18:04.720 I just don't think the conservative message would be as powerful.

01:18:08.240 Well, thank you for that.

01:18:09.060 I think they'd be fine.

01:18:10.100 But I do think that there's a strain, especially of young women who appreciate seeing a strong

01:18:15.380 conservative woman who's had a voice in this lane and also had a family.

01:18:20.920 You know, like I know now you get shamed for saying that you can have it all, but you can.

01:18:25.260 I'm sorry.

01:18:25.980 I'll never say anything different.

01:18:28.020 You can.

01:18:29.480 Yes, there are risks.

01:18:30.380 Yes, you know, if what's most important to you is to have children and also ideally to

01:18:36.060 be with them even in your golden years.

01:18:38.540 And sadly, you know, I mean, I had mine when I was older, so that that clips the time that

01:18:43.360 you'll be old with them and ideally grandchildren in your life.

01:18:46.160 But it just didn't work out for me that way.

01:18:47.380 I met my husband when I was 35.

01:18:48.360 But anyway, so if you really want to have kids when you're very young, yes, you may

01:18:53.000 have to table career opportunities for a while.

01:18:54.680 But in my case, I just feel like it worked out wonderfully.

01:18:58.800 And I all I want people to know is this, too, is a potential option for you.

01:19:03.560 I do believe if you want it badly enough, you will make it happen.

01:19:07.520 You will make your career happen.

01:19:09.260 You will make your amazing marriage happen.

01:19:11.540 You will make your great kids happen, too.

01:19:14.540 Right.

01:19:14.940 Look, I think that I remember you had put out some tweet and a lot of conservative

01:19:19.440 women were like dog piling on you.

01:19:21.540 And I think the reason why that happened is because there's always this statement about

01:19:29.380 how women can have it all.

01:19:30.560 And I agree with you.

01:19:31.260 I think women can be mothers.

01:19:32.920 I think they can raise a family and still have a career.

01:19:35.660 But that message also needs to be followed up with the reality of how it is challenging

01:19:40.840 and it's incredibly difficult.

01:19:42.300 Right.

01:19:42.680 It's not as easy as it is for a man.

01:19:46.160 And that's because of the gender dynamics at play.

01:19:48.900 You know, a woman, women in general tend to be more nurturing.

01:19:52.720 That's the evolutionary advantage that women have.

01:19:55.720 They're the ones who do the nurturing of the family, of the children.

01:19:59.180 And so when you add a career on top of that, that becomes very challenging and difficult.

01:20:04.820 And you I can see women kind of pushing back because they're probably exhausted.

01:20:10.780 They're probably raising a family while also juggling a career.

01:20:14.320 And I think they just want that validation.

01:20:16.320 They want that acknowledgement of how much more difficult it is to do that.

01:20:20.240 But it is still possible to do that and have it all.

01:20:23.260 Totally.

01:20:24.400 I agree with everything you just said.

01:20:26.340 And I just my only point is like, don't forget that.

01:20:30.800 It's also possible to potentially have it all.

01:20:32.900 I mean, I'm living proof of it.

01:20:34.360 And yes, people say you have money.

01:20:36.340 You're right.

01:20:36.740 That's made it a lot easier.

01:20:37.780 How did I get the money?

01:20:38.740 I earned it.

01:20:39.580 I earned every nickel of it myself.

01:20:43.540 And how did I do that?

01:20:44.500 I busted my ass when I was in my 20s and 30s and built a name and a career for myself.

01:20:50.440 I'm sorry, but like, I find it very disempowering to just tell all these women, like, you're really

01:20:55.760 going to have to choose.

01:20:56.980 Look, the reality is, if what's your number one thing is to have kids, having them earlier

01:21:02.060 is better because fertility issues would or could kick in later in your 30s.

01:21:08.000 Sometimes women don't meet people early enough.

01:21:10.320 I've had so many young girls say to me, and my viewers will email me and say, I would love

01:21:15.060 to have gotten married before now.

01:21:16.920 I didn't meet anybody.

01:21:18.340 So I just feel like conservative men need to stop shaming them because so many of them

01:21:21.640 are trying and just aren't able to.

01:21:24.100 But I will say this, the tweet that I sent out about, you can make your own fortune.

01:21:29.380 You can get your own swanky New York City apartment and also find somebody who wants to

01:21:34.280 be with you on Valentine's Day and have children with you and stay with you was in

01:21:37.760 response to Ashley St.

01:21:39.060 Claire, the Elon alleged baby mama.

01:21:42.080 That was about her because that, to me, is not an okay choice.

01:21:48.160 You want to bang a billionaire and have his kid?

01:21:50.360 Whatever.

01:21:50.720 That's between you and the billionaire.

01:21:51.960 But then you may not play the victim when he doesn't turn out to be Prince Charming on

01:21:56.200 Valentine's Day, wanting to spend his day with you.

01:21:58.500 Shock, shock.

01:22:00.260 It's not actually a loving partnership.

01:22:02.040 You know, she clearly wanted to have his child and get on the Elon support program.

01:22:07.640 Her earlier tweets make that clear.

01:22:09.280 So she did it.

01:22:10.900 That's it.

01:22:11.520 She got exactly what she bargained for.

01:22:13.180 And I don't feel sorry for her at all that he doesn't want to be a good boyfriend to her

01:22:16.680 and may or may not be dicking her around.

01:22:19.100 I mean, he's claiming he's not.

01:22:20.180 But whatever.

01:22:20.860 That's my point.

01:22:22.320 Well, I actually have a question for you because, look, I'm personally disgusted with the fact

01:22:28.920 that he's like having all these children with different women.

01:22:33.100 And for a long time, you know, that was one of the areas where I agreed with conservatives,

01:22:37.740 right?

01:22:37.920 Like conservatives would be pretty judgmental toward men that would act that way or behave

01:22:42.020 that way.

01:22:42.460 Now, I see that very differently from someone who established a family.

01:22:46.960 But for whatever reason, the marriage falls apart.

01:22:49.860 They unfortunately get a divorce.

01:22:51.100 And then later on in life, he finds someone else and has another family.

01:22:55.560 Right.

01:22:56.080 I don't want to be too judgmental toward people like that.

01:22:58.460 Life happens.

01:22:59.420 It is what it is.

01:23:00.220 But with Elon Musk, it's like he's intentionally having children with different women.

01:23:06.180 I don't think that's something to celebrate.

01:23:08.760 And I'm kind of shocked that conservatives haven't been more willing to kind of, you know,

01:23:14.580 criticize him for that.

01:23:16.240 And I get by the way, I agree with you with Ashley St.

01:23:19.180 Claire.

01:23:19.820 I yeah.

01:23:20.540 What did you expect, Ashley?

01:23:21.880 He had already had a bunch of children from different women prior to you having his child.

01:23:26.380 Allegedly, you know, we don't know for sure the paternity and he's called it into question.

01:23:30.980 But I don't understand why it's OK to celebrate a guy who's this careless and irresponsible with bringing children into this world.

01:23:39.220 I don't even know it's carelessness.

01:23:40.980 I mean, I think it's in this case, it may have been with Ashley St.

01:23:43.820 Claire, if indeed it's his child.

01:23:45.580 But with the other women, it's like most of these are IVF babies, at least the ones who have come in the past few years.

01:23:52.820 Two women at the same time impregnated, if I'm not wrong, with twins of Elon's via IVF.

01:23:58.520 So very clearly, an intentional choice by all involved.

01:24:04.740 So, you know, like, I don't know what that's about.

01:24:07.420 If I ever get to interview Elon, maybe he'll tell me.

01:24:10.240 But I know he's like seriously committed ideologically to slowing population rates.

01:24:17.380 He really feels that there's a societal responsibility to repopulate.

01:24:21.340 And I know it's like the joke, oh, he's doing his part, but I actually think that's what he's doing now.

01:24:27.920 Yeah.

01:24:28.560 What happens to these babies who grow up without a father?

01:24:30.900 Very valid question.

01:24:32.260 I don't know the answer to that, and I don't think I like the answer to that.

01:24:35.620 I think the reason most people give Elon a pass is because he's just such a larger than life figure who's about just so much more than his personal life that it almost just gets shrunk.

01:24:48.140 It's like talking about, like, you know, Thomas Jefferson with his affair partner.

01:24:53.060 It's like, we don't really care.

01:24:54.840 He's Thomas Jefferson, for the love of God.

01:24:57.020 Like, some people are so much larger and doing so much good for society, depending on your viewpoint, that it just seems like minutia.

01:25:06.140 It seems petty and small ball to pay attention to those things.

01:25:09.760 But wait, I want to say one other thing about Ashley St. Clair, because she got back into the news on, it was just the other day.

01:25:16.700 She was, like, trying to sell her Tesla because she's claiming she's a pauper now.

01:25:22.100 Here she is.

01:25:22.740 I'm selling it because I need to make up for the 60% cut that Elon made to your French challenge.

01:25:32.500 Why do you think that he did that?

01:25:35.180 That's a great question for him.

01:25:37.880 You feel like he was sort of, like, being active against you in some way?

01:25:42.060 Yeah, that's his mother's operandi when women speak out.

01:25:46.820 When was the last time that you used to try to speak out?

01:25:49.580 Have you alright, sir, too?

01:25:53.140 But he's just not responding to it at all.

01:25:56.360 How would you characterize him?

01:25:57.860 The way he's going out.

01:25:59.800 I don't know.

01:26:01.480 You can check the stops.

01:26:06.000 I'm not the only one.

01:26:08.840 We're all good at that.

01:26:09.480 I'm not the only one cleaning up after his messes.

01:26:13.860 After she posted that of her allegedly selling her Tesla, he posted on X,

01:26:19.620 I don't know if the child's mine or not, but I am not against finding out.

01:26:22.680 No core order is needed.

01:26:24.500 Despite not knowing for sure, I've given Ashley $2.5 million and I'm sending her $500,000 a year.

01:26:32.820 Then she fired back.

01:26:35.180 We asked you to do a paternity test and you wouldn't, but she doesn't dispute.

01:26:38.980 She says, you weren't sending me money.

01:26:41.300 You were sending support for your child that you thought was unnecessary until you withdrew most of it

01:26:46.040 to maintain control and punish me for, quote, disobedience.

01:26:49.060 But you're really only punishing your son.

01:26:51.200 Alright, so first of all, $2.5 million?

01:26:55.240 Like, she's not disputing she got that.

01:26:57.080 She's saying, you know, you're my $500,000 a year, I guess he took some of it away.

01:27:03.580 How many women out there who get pregnant by a man they're not married to get a check for $2.5 million?

01:27:08.820 She doesn't get it.

01:27:10.160 Like, that's what made me sent that post.

01:27:13.000 It's not about that post.

01:27:13.760 My point is simply to a young woman who wants a fabulous New York apartment

01:27:17.480 because she was bragging about how swanky it was to the New York Post.

01:27:21.160 You can do, you can do that.

01:27:23.800 You, you don't have to bang a billionaire and have a love child.

01:27:28.780 By the way, it's her second, who she had out of wedlock before she turned 30,

01:27:34.000 in order to pave your own path with gold.

01:27:38.060 You know, I said to Brit Hume when I was young,

01:27:41.340 and I divorced my first husband, with whom I'm still friendly,

01:27:44.300 but he had just become an attending physician.

01:27:46.720 I was married to him during med school and residency and internship where he had no money.

01:27:51.340 And I said, I'm the worst gold digger of all time.

01:27:54.940 And Brit Hume said to me, forget that.

01:27:58.380 Dig your own gold.

01:27:59.480 And that's really my message for her.

01:28:01.460 Dig your own damn gold.

01:28:03.040 It's so disempowering for people like this to think their path to the golden road

01:28:09.140 is screwing some rich guy and then hijacking him for millions.

01:28:15.080 Totally.

01:28:15.680 You know, in Armenian, there's a phrase, it's called tzakachk.

01:28:20.520 And that means when you are eyeing other people's wealth,

01:28:24.980 when you're eyeing other people's hard-earned, you know, income,

01:28:28.600 and when you're, you want it for yourself, you want to take it for yourself.

01:28:32.200 And so, you know, growing up, I just remember my parents really instilling in me,

01:28:37.000 don't look at other people's money.

01:28:39.140 Don't look to take from others.

01:28:41.520 Look toward the future and how you can build for yourself.

01:28:45.940 And I'm really, really grateful that I had that upbringing because I love freedom.

01:28:51.220 Okay.

01:28:51.540 And honestly, in America, in any capitalist society,

01:28:55.740 freedom means you're able to earn your own living and you're not reliant on anyone else.

01:29:01.520 You're not reliant on your husband.

01:29:03.960 I, let me be clear, believe in a robust social safety net.

01:29:08.000 And I would like to make ours more robust here in the United States because sometimes

01:29:12.260 things happen, people lose their jobs, they get laid off, and they need a little bit of help.

01:29:16.600 However, you know, being independent and not needing help from anyone

01:29:20.780 is like the definition of freedom for me.

01:29:23.720 It's wonderful.

01:29:24.180 Because I get to make my own decisions.

01:29:25.660 I get to marry the man that I love without being worried about whether or not he has enough

01:29:30.380 earning power.

01:29:31.600 And I think that's really the main reason why I'm in a happy marriage, to be quite frank.

01:29:35.800 Yeah, yeah, no, it's funny.

01:29:37.920 I mean, like, I married my husband.

01:29:39.140 He was making a lot more money than I was at the time.

01:29:41.160 And then eventually that switched just because media is such a crazy industry.

01:29:44.900 But it's wonderful that we met and fell in love when the roles were reversed.

01:29:49.380 You know, like, I love that about us.

01:29:51.260 And neither one of us has to worry.

01:29:52.720 He doesn't have to worry that I'm a gold digger.

01:29:54.860 And I don't have to worry that he's one.

01:29:58.000 You know, I mean, we're both, we married each other because we fell in love.

01:30:00.420 I was already a professional.

01:30:01.580 I was already on television.

01:30:02.540 I had been a lawyer.

01:30:03.300 In any event, I want options for our young women.

01:30:06.740 I want them to be able to make whatever choice that works for them without getting ashamed.

01:30:11.280 But I also think it's important that there are options, right?

01:30:14.960 It's like in the same way the 1950s women couldn't find jobs because they weren't out there.

01:30:19.340 I don't want us to get to the point where young conservative women can't find husbands

01:30:23.240 because they're not willing to look at a young woman who actually does have a career.

01:30:27.220 This is not a solution.

01:30:28.140 And let me just say one other thing.

01:30:30.620 You know, there are some female conservatives that I listen to specifically because I want

01:30:36.460 to be well-rounded and understand what, you know, people believe and where they're coming

01:30:40.760 from on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

01:30:44.540 You know, Amber Duke is a good example.

01:30:46.140 She's one of the hosts over at The Hill.

01:30:48.240 I love her, right?

01:30:49.480 I don't agree with her on some things, but that's okay.

01:30:51.700 I'm way more willing to listen to what you have to say or what Amber Duke has to say as

01:30:58.160 a woman on the left because your communication style is more inviting to people like me, women

01:31:05.320 on the left.

01:31:06.140 So, you know, I think that the trad culture is really kind of hurting itself by advocating

01:31:15.340 for the removal of an entire group of conservative women from public spaces, from the media, who

01:31:22.600 I think speak to or have a better communication style that could be persuasive to folks on the

01:31:28.580 left.

01:31:28.980 So that's another thing to consider.

01:31:30.740 All right.

01:31:31.460 Well said.

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01:34:10.460 Welcome back to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:34:12.160 Back with me now, Anna Kasparian of The Young Turks.

01:34:15.520 So comedian Bill Burr goes to an event for Conan at the Kennedy Center, and this is just

01:34:23.660 the other night, Conan O'Brien, and he gets asked on the red carpet a couple of political

01:34:29.180 questions by random reporters.

01:34:31.680 Bill Burr has made multiple political comments before this moment, but look, the man acts like

01:34:39.240 he's had a bad case of amnesia.

01:34:40.960 He doesn't know why on earth they'd be speaking to him about politics.

01:34:44.800 Watch.

01:34:46.740 Tell us about your reaction to Luigi Mangione.

01:34:49.380 I was reading up, you know, that perhaps you've been supportive of what he did.

01:34:53.060 What is your take on that?

01:34:54.100 If you were reading up, I don't think you read up on it, because I said what I felt about

01:34:57.800 it, and I said what a lot of people said.

01:34:59.240 Some people took it that way.

01:35:00.220 So could you clarify what you did about it?

01:35:02.100 No, I'm not going to just have some controversial moments that you can get clicks.

01:35:05.240 I'm not doing that.

01:35:06.300 I mean, I'm here for Conan.

01:35:07.940 I'm not doing all of this.

01:35:09.680 You said about Elon that he was ruining Earth, I saw, on The View.

01:35:13.600 You're critical of him.

01:35:15.100 What do you think of all the boycotts, like even the violence that's going on at Tesla?

01:35:18.460 I don't watch the news.

01:35:19.260 I have no idea what's going on.

01:35:20.500 I watch Instagram.

01:35:22.040 I watch people wipe out on motorcycles.

01:35:23.960 I watch lions and hyenas fight each other.

01:35:26.500 This is the things that I do.

01:35:27.600 You're a journalist.

01:35:28.180 Comedians are on top of current events.

01:35:29.940 No, no, that's weak.

01:35:32.840 That's you guys passing the buck.

01:35:35.020 You guys need to have balls again, which you don't.

01:35:37.920 You guys always go, should we be thinking this?

01:35:41.480 You guys present stuff like that.

01:35:43.420 You guys just have balls.

01:35:44.560 You need to get your balls back.

01:35:47.000 OK, he's not into politics.

01:35:48.960 He doesn't want to comment on news, in response to which I have this to say.

01:35:52.380 Sure, Jan.

01:35:55.000 OK, here's just one example on the two topics he was asked about that we found

01:35:59.840 in about 10 seconds.

01:36:01.040 Watch.

01:36:02.500 But CNN and Fox News are not going to bring up the insurance companies that are just

01:36:06.040 going to keep everybody's premiums and still give themselves a bonus.

01:36:09.820 Yes.

01:36:11.420 Free Luigi.

01:36:16.220 I love how they acted surprised.

01:36:18.600 Why did that happen?

01:36:20.540 I have no idea.

01:36:21.340 He wrote on the bullets why it happened.

01:36:24.020 Oh, we're back to Luigi.

01:36:25.480 OK, yeah, yeah.

01:36:26.320 I never left, Luigi.

01:36:27.740 Why does Elon Musk dress like he just got out of a hot topic?

01:36:31.340 Just I am so sick of that guy trying to rewrite his origin story like he was Matthew McConaughey

01:36:39.320 pulling into the high school.

01:36:40.680 It's like you were a nerd.

01:36:42.600 Nobody banged you.

01:36:44.160 And now you have hair plugs in your laminated face.

01:36:49.360 OK, I like Jimmy Fallon.

01:36:52.640 He's a sweet guy.

01:36:53.440 I can speak to that personally.

01:36:54.640 But the over laughter in response to things that aren't that funny is not a good way.

01:36:59.200 That's a bad tick.

01:37:00.440 Anyway, what do you make of Bill Burr?

01:37:02.080 Suddenly, I guess what?

01:37:03.440 He doesn't want to talk politics anymore.

01:37:05.800 I found his jokes a little funny, but I'll say this.

01:37:09.160 He saw the he saw the Mike flag.

01:37:11.820 It was the Newsmax Mike flag.

01:37:14.000 And he didn't want to give him anything.

01:37:15.620 That's that's all that was.

01:37:16.740 He just didn't want to give them anything to to broadcast.

01:37:21.920 You know, maybe he doesn't trust them.

01:37:23.700 Maybe he thinks they're going to take him out of context.

01:37:25.880 Who knows?

01:37:26.440 But to me, it was clear he didn't want to speak to conservative media.

01:37:30.060 We're back to the earlier point we were making there.

01:37:32.520 You know, there are.

01:37:33.200 Yeah.

01:37:34.500 Try try living, you know, life in my shoes, Elon's shoes.

01:37:39.240 You know, anybody named Trump's shoes.

01:37:40.580 It's like that's all you get.

01:37:41.880 Is it adversarial media with a mic in your face?

01:37:44.260 Right.

01:37:44.400 It's like, why wouldn't you say that's?

01:37:46.460 Isn't that who he needs to confuse or could convince right of his points?

01:37:51.060 Isn't that the group watching Newsmax that he wants to get his message in front of more

01:37:54.940 than anyone about Luigi and what sympathetic character he is?

01:37:58.620 I think there's this mistake made by a lot of folks on the left.

01:38:02.360 And I want to be clear about how wrong they are.

01:38:05.720 So.

01:38:05.980 I get that media representing the other side might be adversarial.

01:38:11.460 They might ask you provocative questions.

01:38:14.460 But I actually think there's a lot of value speaking to them, not because you're trying

01:38:19.000 to win the host over or the reporter over, but because you are sharing your message and

01:38:24.660 your beliefs with an entirely new audience that may not have heard the arguments that

01:38:29.860 you are making.

01:38:31.060 It's not about the big public figures that you're talking to.

01:38:35.020 You're not going to win them over.

01:38:36.300 That's clear.

01:38:37.100 But you are sharing a message with half the country that might not have otherwise heard

01:38:42.120 that message.

01:38:43.020 So it's look.

01:38:44.280 Do you want to persuade people or not?

01:38:46.060 And if you're not interested in persuading people, that's fine.

01:38:48.820 But I would venture to say that if you are in the public making political arguments, the

01:38:54.620 reason why you're doing it is to persuade people.

01:38:58.300 What's the point of just preaching to the choir and just talking to people in your echo

01:39:03.240 chamber?

01:39:03.560 It's more effective to talk to people you disagree with.

01:39:06.660 This is one of the reasons why I just sat down with The New York Times.

01:39:09.800 And this and the desire for votes is the reason Kamala Harris went on Fox News with Brett

01:39:15.760 Baer, which was real.

01:39:17.600 We watched it with our own eyes.

01:39:19.120 It didn't go particularly well, but I bring her up because I have to ask you about a report

01:39:23.760 that just hit from, um, courtesy of, was it, uh, let's see.

01:39:27.880 It's real clear investigations.

01:39:29.900 Yes.

01:39:30.380 Lee Fong.

01:39:31.300 And, uh, he revealed that all those brat videos, we got, how many do we have one?

01:39:36.820 We'll just show one.

01:39:37.520 Here's a remix.

01:39:38.280 Saw 24.

01:39:39.980 My mother used to, she would give us a hard time sometimes.

01:39:42.940 And she would say to us, I don't know what's wrong with you young people.

01:39:46.200 Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

01:39:51.160 You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.

01:40:01.480 These are just videos of her hysterical laughing and now dancing.

01:40:06.480 This is the rebranding of Kamala Harris.

01:40:08.020 I love Venn diagrams.

01:40:11.320 Oh God.

01:40:12.840 I really do.

01:40:14.140 I love Venn diagrams.

01:40:15.820 And what Lee Fong has found is that all of that was bought and paid for.

01:40:22.780 Influencers who flooded the web with neon matcha green pro Harris videos synced to beats from

01:40:29.060 singer Charlie XCX's album Brat last year were quietly funded, quoting here, by an elusive

01:40:34.840 group of Democrat billionaires and major donors in an arrangement designed to conceal the payments

01:40:39.420 from voters, according to real clear investigations, obtained internal documents and WhatsApp messages from

01:40:45.020 Democratic strategists behind the influencer campaign way to win one of the major donor groups behind the

01:40:50.880 effort spent more than 9.1 million on social media influencers during the 24 presidential election

01:40:57.440 payments revealed here for the first time.

01:40:59.260 It's amazing.

01:41:00.340 I mean, I'm not I'm not sure we thought it was organic, but what we're learning more and

01:41:05.660 more is that any piece of praise she got was either purchased or given under duress by people

01:41:11.200 like Barack Obama.

01:41:13.540 Well, you know, it's it's interesting because I do think both sides of the political aisle do

01:41:18.520 this to some extent.

01:41:19.540 You know, it's it's an effort to kind of make the candidate appear more popular than they really

01:41:25.360 are.

01:41:25.820 And it has a bandwagon effect, right, where some voters who might might not be as politically

01:41:31.240 engaged will see this manufactured popularity, but they won't know it's manufactured.

01:41:36.700 And they'll think, well, a lot of people like this guy or this gal.

01:41:39.340 So I'm going to cast my ballot for that individual.

01:41:41.820 But I think things have changed in our political environment where people are a lot more engaged

01:41:47.160 because there's a lot on the line.

01:41:48.800 You know, they have a stake in the game, whether it's the economy or something else.

01:41:52.120 I just think that the Democrats being obsessed with that billionaire money is what has led

01:41:58.080 to them being failures in the political system.

01:42:00.920 They need to listen to the voters and ignore the billionaires.

01:42:04.100 And that's how they actually bolster their popularity as opposed to doing whatever it was

01:42:09.060 that Kamala was up to.

01:42:10.540 I mean, it's really unclear.

01:42:12.480 It reminds me of when I was in high school.

01:42:14.080 We had a high school sorority and you had to wear this very silly outfit for the whole scrub

01:42:18.600 week of like your pants rolled up above your knees and a white polo shirt just hanging and

01:42:23.400 tube socks pulled up high.

01:42:25.200 And by the end of that week, some gals like who were younger in high school who didn't know any

01:42:30.860 better started wearing that outfit because they actually thought it had caught on because all

01:42:35.840 these girls were.

01:42:36.740 That's what that's what people who spread the lie Kamala is brat.

01:42:40.580 That's what happened to you.

01:42:41.680 You bought the campaign as real hook, line and sinker and now should feel somewhat embarrassed

01:42:47.560 and go back to your normal tree torn sneakers and palmetto jeans with the stripes in the front.

01:42:52.540 Anna, a pleasure again.

01:42:54.420 I hope you'll come back.

01:42:56.260 Thank you.

01:42:56.780 Pleasure speaking with you.

01:42:58.440 We'll see you soon.

01:42:59.820 And we are back tomorrow with Mike and Dave talking about the political legal issues.

01:43:06.920 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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