Supreme Court rules in favor of Diddy in his case against the government. Megyn talks about the significance of the decision and why it could have a big impact on the future of the case. Plus, Megyn and her co-host Maureen Callahan react to the ruling.
00:01:45.320You know you're going to love it when it's an Alito authored piece saying, screw you.
00:01:50.960Schools that want to say parents don't have a religious right to object to you shoving LGBTQ information down their throats in K through five education.
00:02:00.980What I mean, like in a case like that, when you see authored by Justice Alito, you just get down on your knees and you thank the Lord for this Supreme Court.
00:03:40.520This is what they've been using to stop the Trump agenda.
00:03:44.580And if you could have heard John Sauer, the solicitor general, go in there to argue this case, he was saying all the things that you and I discuss all the time, like judge judges.
00:03:53.880They they they forum shop, they pick their favorite federal district court judge in the most liberal jurisdiction and they go in and ask that guy, gee, hasn't Trump violated the law?
00:04:07.600And shouldn't we issue a nationwide injunction on that executive order and that executive order and that executive order and therefore shut down his entire second term agenda?
00:04:33.720And the answer to potential executive overreach is not judicial overreach.
00:04:40.140Pretending we have more power than we do to stop executive orders, to stop executive initiatives on a nationwide basis, as opposed to on a plaintiff by plaintiff basis, where we look at this plaintiff to see if he's adequately alleged harm and decide whether.
00:05:00.000For example, an executive order should be enjoined in this case.
00:05:04.560OK, so as a result of today's ruling, these leftists likely will not be able to march into a far left judge in Boston or in San Francisco or in Washington, D.C.
00:05:16.840and get a Trump policy they don't like put on hold or ended while their case plays out in the merits, which could take years.
00:05:26.080This particular case stems from a very interesting issue, which just FYI has not yet been decided.
00:05:30.880It's Trump's executive order putting a stop to birthright citizenship, meaning if you're born here, you have citizenship, even if you're born to two illegals.
00:05:39.140Trump's trying to challenge that, saying the Constitution is actually a little bit more ambiguous than it sounds.
00:05:44.760And there is some legal support for that.
00:05:46.980But that case is going to play out on the merits.
00:05:49.520And eventually there will be a ruling on whether he's right or wrong on that.
00:05:52.500The justices did not get to that and whether his executive order is constitutional.
00:05:56.600Instead, they got to whether these lower court judges who had stayed the effect of that order, who have said you cannot look at babies being born right now to illegals and say that they're not citizens.
00:06:13.780Lower courts have said you cannot say that until we've got a final ruling in this case.
00:06:17.280And the Supreme Court said, hmm, OK, you can you can stay the effect of this executive order as to the named plaintiffs in this case.
00:06:27.200But we are not OK with the nationwide injunction thing.
00:06:30.780Not in this case, necessarily, and not in all cases.
00:06:34.200We are convinced lower courts don't have that authority.
00:06:38.120Came down six to three along ideological lines.
00:06:40.420Justice Amy Coney Barrett writing the majority opinion.
00:06:48.960And we'll tell you all about the back and forth that went down between Justice Barrett and Ketanji Brown Jackson in particular.
00:06:54.540In another major win that I mentioned a minute ago, the justice is letting Maryland parents opt their children out of classes with LGBTQ storybooks.
00:07:26.220Moms of Liberty went on 60 Minutes with this guy trying to say at very young ages, schools are shoving leftist woke ideology down the throats of young children.
00:07:40.080And it's inappropriate, in particular, sexual materials and LGBTQ materials.
00:07:46.160And Scott Pelley told America it wasn't happening.
00:08:26.460They're looking at these books where sexual discussions are happening with their children at younger and younger ages.
00:08:32.020Tiffany Justice read from sexually explicit books written for older teens, but found in a few lower schools.
00:08:41.020Most people wouldn't want them in a lower school.
00:08:44.420But in a tactic of outrage politics, Moms for Liberty takes a kernel of truth and concludes these examples are not rare mistakes, but a plot to sexualize children.
00:08:58.080You see, that was Moms for Liberty, just expounding, just a kernel of truth in what they were saying.
00:09:05.880And then they bastardized this kernel to make a larger point.
00:09:48.220We reject this chilling vision of power of the state to strip away the critical right of parents to guide the religious development of their children.
00:09:58.880It's happening in schools beyond Maryland.
00:10:01.200The U.S. Supreme Court has recognized it and has now just issued a powerful ruling arming parents state to state, coast to coast with the tools they need to shut it down when it comes to their child.
00:10:58.740And now we finally have a Supreme Court decision saying we were right.
00:11:04.680Schools don't have the right to do this to our children.
00:11:08.180This ruling says religious grounds will give you the power you need to get your child out of it.
00:11:13.560But that's not going to be a problem for most of our listeners.
00:11:16.620Most of us are religious people, not all of us.
00:11:20.420But most of us have a good faith religious belief that what is happening here is deeply wrong in the K through five school districts and can use this.
00:11:29.380But it'll be expanded beyond this because parental rights are not limited to those who are faithful.
00:11:35.420It's been a great day at the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:11:38.040Here to break it all down for us, our friend Dave Ehrenberg.
00:11:40.880He is the author of the new book, Fighting the Florida Shuffle, the inside story of corruption in the drug treatment industry and how one community found the solution.
00:11:50.080Along with Will Chamberlain, who is not Mike Davis, Mike couldn't be here today, but Will is senior counsel at Mike's Article 3 project is, I mean, just as every bit as smart as Mike Davis will.
00:12:01.900Don't tell him I said that and has been on the program before.
00:13:48.900I mean, and it's funny, I was just thinking to myself, listening to you, you know, in a sensible society, we wouldn't be discussing whether or not parents had the right to opt out of this instruction.
00:13:56.460We would be discussing whether the people proffering this instruction should be criminally prosecuted.
00:14:01.340It's appalling that this is even happening.
00:14:03.980And so maybe we'll get there eventually.
00:14:05.600And an interesting Supreme Court case would whether those people might have a First Amendment defense to criminal prosecution as a result of trying to indoctrinate our children in this way.
00:14:13.180Before I go to Dave, do you think this will be this will be the first step in expanding the ruling eventually to just parents?
00:14:20.860Parents have a right to pull their child.
00:14:22.760You don't have to necessarily like what about free speech or ideological grounds?
00:14:26.640Does it always have to be based on religion?
00:14:31.120I mean, because in a sense, it's its own kind of religious doctrine, just not in the form of a religion.
00:14:35.400Right. It's a it's a kind of all these claims that they're making are these bizarre metaphysical claims about the nature of man and woman.
00:14:41.980And that have no scientific grounding.
00:14:43.920They're they're just as, you know, essentially they're they're bizarre metaphysical claims, honestly, that are religious in nature, except that there is no deity involved.
00:14:54.380That I mean, it's just so huge on a couple of fronts.
00:14:56.580I mean, what do you make of that claim, Dave, that back on the injunctions case that this really has been resistance 2.0 and it was dealt a major blow today?
00:15:06.280You know, it's interesting, Megan, and thanks for having me back.
00:15:17.980I try to remind my Democratic friends on my side of the aisle that Democrats hated nationwide injunctions as well.
00:15:24.620Remember when Mephapristo, the abortion drug, was banned nationwide because one conservative judge in Texas who was picked for that reason, issued a nationwide injunction.
00:15:38.560And people on the left were outraged by it.
00:15:42.800It's just that this is being done during the Trump presidency.
00:15:46.280And if there is a way out, you can try to get a class action or you can try to convince the judge that a nationwide injunction is still necessary to afford complete relief.
00:16:29.440Well, a few years ago, I was on your show when you had the NBC show, and you did a whole segment on the Florida Shuffle.
00:16:36.040So this title, it all comes back to Megyn Kelly.
00:16:39.400Years later, the scams within the drug treatment industry, the fraud that exists, which is enabled, unfortunately, by well-intended laws like the Affordable Care Act, it continues.
00:16:48.760And that's why I wrote this book and showed how we fought it here in Palm Beach County.
00:16:52.280But this title comes from a segment you did years ago.
00:17:07.480Can we talk, Will, about the fight between Amy Coney Barrett and Ketanji Brown Jackson, who dissented, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in the nationwide injunctions case?
00:17:20.320I thought it was smart that they had Coney Barrett write the majority opinion.
00:17:24.680She's becoming kind of, well, loathed by many on the right for siding with the libs.
00:17:30.620And I think it was probably no accident that Robert said, why don't you take this one and restore some of your good order, possibly with the right?
00:17:39.260And it wasn't just that she sided with the six conservatives to uphold Trump's right to do this, at least for now, to not be subjected to nationwide injunctions.
00:17:47.860But it's now pitted her against a very unpopular member of the Supreme Court with the right.
00:17:56.140Amy Coney Barrett, in one instance, basically saying, your argument is too dumb for me to respond to.
00:18:01.800Um, she says here, I'll read just part of it.
00:18:05.500We're not we will not dwell on Justice Jackson's argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself.
00:18:21.380Yeah, I think the thing to keep in mind here is that's not just a concurring opinion where one judge is expressing their anger.
00:18:28.100Six six justices signed on to an opinion that treats Justice Jackson's dissent as silly and infantile.
00:18:36.280And that's not a good sign for Justice Jackson's influence on the court more broadly.
00:18:40.740You have to think that the the six conservative justices found her arguments not just so not just wrong, but kind of offensive and silly in order to put pros like that in a majority opinion of the court.
00:18:53.720So I think it's really reflective of how little respect the conservative justices have for her legal reasoning.
00:19:02.300Yeah, there was another line where they say the principal dissent focuses on conventional legal terrain, like the Judiciary Act of 1789.
00:19:13.280Justice Jackson, however, chooses a startling line of attack that is tethered neither to those sources nor, frankly, to any doctrine whatsoever.
00:20:21.460I thought it was interesting in Justice Sotomayor's defense, in her dissent, that she focused not just on the history of nationwide injunctions, but also that this was a gimmick by the Trump administration.
00:20:34.860This was a way around the fact that they knew they were going to lose on the issue of birthright citizenship.
00:20:39.820So instead, they appealed the more popular issue of the nationwide injunctions, knowing they could win on that, but they're not going to win on birthright citizenship.
00:20:49.700So essentially, she's saying this is gamesmanship.
00:20:54.000And the Supreme Court is allowing them to do so.
00:20:57.320And she's saying that they fell for it, whether it's gamesmanship or not.
00:21:00.220Well, it worked. It worked like a charm because the Trump administration has gotten a nationwide injunction against virtually every executive order that he issued in that first week in office when we were celebrating like it was Christmas.
00:21:15.200Bit by bit, they've been shut down and it's just gotten out of control.
00:21:20.900And Dave's right. Nationwide injunctions have upset the left and thrilled the right in the past.
00:21:26.960I was one of the thrilled people when we got a nationwide injunction against Biden's changes to Title IX.
00:21:33.480And I love that. And it was shut down by one judge for everyone across the nation.
00:21:38.360So I'm not going to be able to have that moment anymore if we get another Democrat president in.
00:21:42.640But the Supreme Court was making a valid point from John Sauer, which was, yes, this has been happening for some time in more recent history.
00:21:50.900But it's gotten out of control. Well, yeah.
00:21:54.920And I don't agree with Justice Sotomayor's position that this is gamesmanship, I think, for two reasons.
00:22:00.260One, I think the administration will expect that there's going to be an attempt at a class action filed in birthrights in the birthright citizenship cases.
00:22:07.100And I would be surprised if a class action wasn't certified at some point because you have, you know, the injury is pretty common across everybody who might be injured.
00:22:16.380The idea that your children might not be citizens because you yourself were not born in the country or you are you yourself are not either a permanent resident or a legal citizen.
00:22:24.840So I don't I don't think there's a gamesmanship in that regard.
00:22:27.420I think they're going to eventually confront the administration knows it will eventually have to confront the constitutionality of birthright citizenship.
00:22:34.940So I don't think this is a game to get out of that.
00:22:36.960And then second, I think that it's not as simple as, oh, this is just obviously they're going to lose.
00:22:42.420There's a lot of precedent for the idea that birthright citizenship is just a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.
00:22:50.260I mean, the simplest empirical example of why that's probably true is that American Indians don't have birthright citizenship.
00:22:57.120They had to be granted citizenship by statute in 1924, 60 years after the passage of the 14th Amendment.
00:23:04.040And that's because everybody understood that, you know, even though they're on American territory and subject to the sovereignty of the United States, they still had allegiance to their Indian tribes.
00:23:14.620And given that, given that they actually, you know, were born and reside on the territory of the United States and so did all their parents, and yet they weren't granted birthright citizenship, the idea that it would obviously apply to the children of illegal aliens, I think, is certainly not guaranteed and certainly not obvious.
00:23:31.600I think there's a real fight coming there, too.
00:23:33.800But it does raise an interesting issue, Dave, on what happens now, because now the plaintiffs involved in these particular cases who sued are not going to get bounced out because the babies are born to two illegals.
00:23:54.120Right. That the court says, you know, in the named plaintiffs cases, they can have the relief they're seeking.
00:23:59.780And the district court judge has to figure out exactly what that looks like.
00:24:03.360But. Since it doesn't apply beyond the name plaintiffs necessarily, we're not exactly sure, because the Supreme Court's kicking it back down to the district court to issue like an additional ruling.
00:24:17.600Let's say, I mean, it's got to be a situation where both parents are illegal, right, or like the mother gives birth to the child and the mother is here illegally because if the father were an American citizen, it would still have American citizenship.
00:24:27.400So anyway, my point is, does every illegal couple across America now need to go file a lawsuit to try to keep their kid in the United States or able to get Social Security, you know, papers and so on?
00:24:41.580We all get the kid's number when he's born.
00:24:45.220It's like unclear to me, based on what I read this morning, how that's all going to play out now.
00:24:50.160Yeah, I think that this is right for a class action.
00:24:52.320I think that's the attack that the advocates will will do.
00:24:55.380And I think that this will be tied up for the court.
00:24:57.820So I don't think anyone's going to be deported who otherwise would be allowed to stay in the United States because of birthright citizenship.
00:25:03.320And I think the Trump administration acknowledged that it would be an uphill climb to get the Supreme Court to rule their way because they could have sought a stay on the issue of birthright citizenship.
00:25:14.580They sought a stay based on the nationwide injunction issue, which tells you that I think they know themselves this is an uphill climb.
00:25:20.860So I think where this has an impact is on all the other issues out there where there are nationwide injunctions against Trump's other actions.
00:25:28.520That's going to be a problem for those who disagree with the president's decisions there, because I don't think that there will be anyone deported under this ruling.
00:25:38.180But I do think that there will be people who may be deported based on other decisions that the president has made.
00:25:45.400This here, another one just crossed the transom.
00:25:48.640Six to three, the U.S. Supreme Court upholds a Texas law requiring users to verify their age to access porn sites.
00:25:57.340The first major test, quoting here from The Washington Post, the first major legal test of statutes in two dozen states aimed at protecting young people from lewd content that has become ever easier to view.
00:26:09.140In a six to three ruling, the justices rejected arguments from the porn industry that the law violates the First Amendment rights of adults to access explicit content online because it required users to share identifying information that could be sold, misused or hacked.
00:26:21.980The court's three liberals dissented. In dissent, Justice Elena Kagan, joined by Sotomayor and Brown Jackson, said, while it was a reasonable goal to try to protect minors from lewd material online, that should not come at the expense of the rights of adults.
00:26:35.900Well, I'm loving the Supreme Court and these three libs are exposing themselves for who they are.
00:26:44.720Yeah, it's another one of these cases where I have a hard time really understanding the dissent.
00:26:49.680And I'll be honest, I'm not super familiar with this case and the legal arguments, like the First Amendment arguments at stake here.
00:26:55.500But, you know, you can't go to a store and purchase a pornographic magazine without showing ID to do so.
00:27:02.880The idea that that wouldn't translate to the online environment seems kind of obviously wrong and would defeat much of the purpose of obscenity laws if it didn't hold because most obscenity is accessed over the Internet.
00:27:13.800It's so crazy. It's it's great to see. Look, I'm happy for all these rulings.
00:27:19.620But the one that I'm happiest about is on the lewd material in classrooms.
00:27:27.480And, you know, I've said before, if you're a conservative justice and you're on the wrong side of Justice Alito, you've done something wrong.
00:27:33.600You need to reevaluate. This was six, three.
00:27:36.940So good for them. Six, three, six, three, six, three on all the cases that matter today.
00:27:51.540You know, you can let these guys go and I don't need to stick around for my my rants, but.
00:27:55.680But I covered the high court for I was a lawyer, as you know, for about a decade, I covered the high court for Fox News and ABC News for years.
00:28:05.400And we've just never had a court like this.
00:28:07.680And I realize some of them, we love some of them a little bit more than we love some others of them.
00:28:11.340But when the chips are down and the law requires a win for the right, we do have six justices willing to do it.
00:28:21.140But we do when the law is just clear and the left has gone too far in their excess.
00:28:28.900We have six. That's so much better than five justices willing to do it.
00:28:34.000So this bodes well on a number of issues that are likely to go up to the Supreme Court during the Trump presidency in particular.
00:28:40.240And I think we can be heartened to know that even the justices we may not love as much as we love Alito and Thomas, when the chips are down, tend to do the right thing.
00:28:52.160OK, we hope. Let's see. Still not really over the Gorsuch thing on the trans ruling, but that's going to come back up, too.
00:28:58.300OK, Maureen Callahan is here. We have so much to do with her.
00:29:01.720We've got our Michelle Obama parody and its world premiere.
00:29:06.180And I am, you know, I'm neck deep on the one side with the Supreme Court and I'm neck deep on the other side with the ditty closing arguments on both sides.
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00:31:18.080I'm going to play some sound bites from the prosecution's closing.
00:31:22.200The way I'm able to do that is one of my favorite Twitter accounts for staying up on Diddy trial news is at Diddy trial daily.
00:31:32.260I don't know who's behind it, but he's doing a great job.
00:31:35.920And so at Diddy trial daily voiced 22 minutes of the prosecution's five hour closing argument and kind of brought us in.
00:31:46.660Now, we can see the transcripts ourselves, but it's always nice to have somebody reading it and kind of bring it to life.
00:31:50.760So when we play sound bites from the prosecution's closing argument, which was done by a woman, not by this guy who's a man, but in any event, you'll hear these excerpts.
00:32:00.780It's just from this guy on the Internet who I follow who's been following the case very closely.
00:32:06.000OK, here are I'm just going to go through it, Maureen, some of these.
00:32:26.640It looks like a stenographer only without the clever, you know, clues for shortening words.
00:32:31.960But OK, the prosecutor says, first of all, this guy led a criminal organization and said, look at two incidents just just to keep this in your head.
00:32:43.220March 2016, the Intercontinental, when he beat her and we all saw the tape.
00:32:47.1802024, when he choked and hit Jane, the next girlfriend, the most recent girlfriend, as she tried to escape, he beat the hell out of her and then made her do a hotel night, you know, night of debauchery or a freak off night, whatever.
00:33:00.020Um, time and time again, they talked about how with Jane in particular, she would beg him to just have a normal relationship to show her any sort of normal affection, saying, I'm not an animal.
00:39:06.020I think without that video, the defense would have had a much easier time convincing, again, a very sophisticated, hard-in-jury that this is nothing more than lover's spats over one partner's sexual preferences.
00:39:21.060And, you know, a fetishization of baby oil that, frankly, is Warholian.
00:39:27.020But I'll be shocked if he's not found guilty.
00:39:30.840You know, I remember talking to you about this last time I was with you.
00:39:33.520And I asked you, I asked you as a lawyer, when he went after Cassie, when she was trying to run out of that hotel room at that elevator bank, and he grabbed her and threw her to the floor and dragged her back to that room, does that legally constitute kidnapping?
00:39:47.200And you said, yes, without hesitation.
00:39:50.220How can they not find him guilty of at least that count?
00:40:53.680OK, in any event, what the prosecution is showing is this has gone so far beyond like mild lawbreaking, for lack of a better term, that you might even assume your average rap mogul has engaged in.
00:41:08.740And on the sex trafficking, they're trying to show they have to show.
00:41:11.380That these women were sort of forced, not sort of, that they were forced to perform sex at these hotel nights or debauchery nights or freak offs without their consent.
00:41:21.100And the prosecution point out it's it's not a problem for us if they can send it to some.
00:41:25.760We only have to show that there was one that they didn't consent to.
00:41:28.960And by the way, mid freak off, you can withdraw your consent.
00:41:33.080And if he continues to force you from that point forward, he's guilty.
00:41:36.720And the sex trafficking, yes, it can happen.
00:41:40.080We're like there's an international ring and they kidnap young girls and they force them to perform sexual behavior for creepy old men.
00:41:49.960But I learned this when I went over to NBC and did, you know, a lot different kind of segments, softer segments, the only upside of NBC.
00:41:59.120Sex trafficking in America looks very different.
00:42:02.040And what happens in a lot of cases is you'll have online dating where the girl shows up ready to date somebody she met online.
00:42:09.460And she finds out while she's in his car driving to their dinner, he knows about her her three year old son because he did his homework on her.
00:42:18.800And he brings her to a hotel and says, you're going to go in there and you're going to screw these next three guys or your son gets it.
00:42:24.540That is absolutely sex trafficking, forcing someone to perform a sexual act by force or threat.
00:42:31.320And so that's how you have to understand the Diddy case.
00:42:34.020They're saying these women were threatened with their livelihoods, which he controlled with embarrassment because he'd already gotten them on camera performing these things when they still thought they loved him and he loved them with professional embarrassment, with a beatdown, another physical beatdown, which both of them had testified he served them multiple times and so on.
00:42:55.500And so like that they were no more free to say no to those freak offs than this woman who is, by the way, it's a real case that I just outlined, whose son was under threat if she didn't go through with suddenly becoming a forced prostitute.
00:43:11.220I mean, I think the the evidence is overwhelming.
00:43:14.080I would like to think, again, post Harvey, that there has been a much more nuanced understanding of what constitutes a victim of rape, sexual abuse and or sex trafficking, to your point.
00:43:37.060It's been around for decades, but there was a time in this country, like around the 1950s, where you could not rape your wife legally.
00:43:44.120Yeah, that to me feels like the blink of an eye, you know, the Diddy thing, you know, what I wonder, how much do you think, because human beings are human beings, that emotionality is going to play into this verdict?
00:43:57.880Because there were multiple reports that the times that the jury was forced to watch those videos of the freak offs, that at least half of them looked visibly ill.
00:44:13.260I actually think he's going to be convicted on all three counts, racketeering, forced sex trafficking, and obviously the traffic or the transport of sex workers across state lines.
00:44:22.760That one they just should have pleaded guilty to because it's just they have him dead to rights.
00:44:26.540The only defense to that, it was offered in the defense's opening where they suggested they weren't coming for sex.
00:44:33.400He wanted to talk about, like, their feelings.
00:44:35.900He wanted them to come for, like, emotional support.
00:44:38.920Like, oh, it's like, would you just just admit that one?
00:44:41.760OK, in any event, he's definitely going down.
00:44:44.280If he doesn't go down on that, it's total jury nullification.
00:44:47.440That's that's kind of the one that will show us whether this jury was just enamored with his fame and fortune and power.
00:44:54.600If he's found not guilty on the, you know, traveling people for sex trafficking or for prostitution, because he very clearly did that.
00:46:32.840Now, by the way, all of that, I could actually say that about my team.
00:46:36.140I think I pushed my staff to the point where it's like a Harvard Business School education and that maybe they don't always like it, but they grow from it.
00:46:43.100But I didn't actually ask them to, like, give me drugs or clean up after my sex romps or I didn't kidnap them and subject them to lie detectors.
00:46:51.200I didn't bring them with me for a kidnapping or an arson against somebody else.
00:48:33.720I think he will be living out his days at MDC, fighting it out with the likes of Luigi Mangione for popularity, clicks and likes.
00:48:43.200And also, I'm very curious, what did you make of, because originally we had been told that the defense had three witnesses they were going to put on, two of whom had been ex-bad boy employees of Sean Combs.
00:48:54.700And then a few days ago, they announced, no, nobody, we're going to put nobody up.
00:48:58.200We're just going to go straight to closing arguments.
00:49:01.500They're relying on their cross-examinations of the prosecution's witnesses, some of which were very effective.
00:49:08.740You know, the dangling over the balcony lady kind of fell apart on cross.
00:49:12.300I don't believe that it was a lie, but they certainly, they had reason to believe that it was a lie because she said she was injured and she showed pictures.
00:49:18.840And the injuries that she showed were from a date when Sean Diddy was out of the country.
00:49:24.860So they did a good job on the defense in crossing some of these witnesses with what they had.
00:49:29.280You know, their whole thing is, I'll give you, I'll give you the line.
00:50:04.180They wrap metaphorical yellow crime scene tape, not around a murder scene, but around Sean Combs' bedroom, his hotel rooms, his personal relationships.
00:50:23.080I don't buy, but I like it as a clever legal way around the facts for this defense team.
00:50:30.100You know, it just broke today, by the way, that Sean Combs and one of his sons, I wonder if it's one of them who is in the courtroom right now, are being sued for, I believe, $30 million for rape.
00:50:41.880And I remember reading about this accusation.
00:50:46.660But I can't imagine the jurors haven't seen that.
00:50:48.840And that I know they're supposed to only deal with the facts in front of them submitted as evidence and whatever the defense puts on as their cross and their defense.
00:50:56.540But I just think a New York jury knows exactly who this guy is.
00:51:00.560We've been living with Sean Combs in New York since the early 90s, at least.
00:51:06.040You know, I remember that that that event he put on.
00:51:09.060He escaped criminal prosecution, but it was an overcrowded venue that he promoted and people died in a stampede.
00:51:16.360He's had an above-the-law attitude and existence for 30-some years now, and it finally caught up with him.
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00:54:16.480Again, The Nerve with Maureen Callahan.
00:54:19.080All right, there's more to talk about on Diddy, but I want to pause it because it's important that we bring the audience our world premiere before, you know, before it's too late.
00:54:28.080Um, Maureen and I have become, in addition to astronauts, professional actresses, and, um, we've been booked on many high profile gigs.
00:54:37.200We've, we've got definitely more audience watching our acting gigs than watch many of the things that have made others stars in Hollywood.
00:54:48.220That's the, that's what you need to know.
00:54:49.560And we got the gang back together because there was somebody we found so annoying, so constantly complaining, so cringy that we felt the need to mercilessly mock her.
00:55:03.200Those are really the ingredients that will bring us out of our day jobs and, and have us put our acting caps back on.
00:55:11.640Um, and really we could think of no more worthy candidate than Michelle Obama, who, as you know, has launched a podcast along with her brother, Craig, who sits there as her supplicant episode after episode.
01:11:28.580I think the level of rage that she has suppressed throughout that tenure in the White House and the time thereafter is like it's a Vesuvian level of eruption we're looking at.
01:11:39.580It's a Mount Vesuvius of rage that is coming out of Michelle Obama.
01:11:43.640She says, first of all, can I also just say my favorite first lady, Jackie Kennedy, saw her husband's brains get blown out next to her.
01:11:54.060If anybody had rage that was understandable to be expressed in the public square, it would have been Jackie Kennedy who went about the rest of her life minding her own business.
01:12:05.920Secondly, you know, so she says, I'm dragged kicking and screaming to the White House.
01:12:10.640As said, we've discussed this before, if this woman, when she met Barack Obama, didn't see his ambition coming at her like a freight train, he did not hide his ambition, nor did the power brokers in Chicago who quickly Velcroed themselves to him and were like, this guy's going to the White House and we're getting him there.
01:12:28.020So you can't be dumb and smart at the same time.
01:12:30.560She can't have no idea who this guy is and suddenly find herself in the White House.
01:12:33.600But she's so smart, she should go on every podcast and get book deals and Netflix deals to speak to all of us about how we should live our lives, even though she has no idea what she's doing, as she just said.
01:12:44.560And I'll just lastly close with, and I'm only mentioning this because she is forcing it.
01:13:13.620I hadn't noticed the weight loss, to be honest.
01:13:16.220But I think we're all going to be on Ozempic soon in my family because two out of my three children are working at Busboys at an ice cream joint.
01:13:37.940Um, so I have a theory about people like Michelle Obama and like the ones who are constantly talking about how hard everything is and how like, you know, remember she, she's, she's clapped back at Sheryl Sandberg's lean in, you know, and there was plenty to criticize with Sheryl Sandberg's lean in.
01:13:55.600But like Michelle Obama at that time was like, you know, that doesn't always work.
01:13:59.080And she wasn't talking about for working class people.
01:14:01.060She was talking about for black people.
01:14:02.400She had to play the race card when she was first lady that, you know, you can't just get what you want if you go after it.
01:14:06.920This is just, she's always been this way.
01:14:08.900And what I have learned, and this was in part, thanks to some of my own journey.
01:14:13.460And I mentioned the reference to the NBC stint.
01:14:16.380People who are constantly talking about like self-help and like depression and how hard things are and how to get through them are very depressed.
01:14:28.020And they are probably not people you should be listening to as your teacher.
01:14:32.000If you are feeling depressed or sad or listless or non-directional, those actually are not your teachers.
01:14:39.140What you need is like a Judge Judy, you know, you need a Maureen Callahan or dare I say an MK.
01:14:46.260You need somebody who's living a great life, getting after it, putting points on the board and not spending too much of their time.
01:14:53.340You need somebody navel gazing into how I don't have a tail.
01:15:34.520These women, they all speak in these generalities, in these very vague platitudes about I'm at my, I'm, Megan, if I said to you, you know what, Megan, I am my most authentic self.
01:15:48.280And I am on this journey that has led me to a place where I just live in joy.
01:15:54.600I mean, I would hope you would take me for an MRI, you know, like, what does that sound like?
01:16:00.060Like, it actually sounds like a fully directional person, like an undirectional person, right?
01:16:06.100A directionless person, as you just said.
01:16:07.800Like, I don't know what, I should understand what you're talking about in five words or less, right?
01:58:27.340What I wonder is, um, I don't know, like, again, you know far more about this than I do.
01:58:32.520But, like, if I'm, if I'm doing, if I'm giving my 90-minute rebuttal and sending the jury off for a weekend with that, as, as July 4th approaches, I'm sure they're going to come back with a verdict before the holiday weekend.
01:58:47.500And I think they're going to find him guilty of, as you said, at least one, but probably all of these, all of these criminal acts, these depraved violence, the violence against women is just depraved.
01:59:00.480Um, I, but I wonder, like, my thought is, like, who are they going to be talking to over the weekend?
01:59:57.160But he's also not going to roll over and accept something he didn't do.
02:00:00.040No, he will fight to the death for the truth.
02:00:03.400He did what he did, but not what they are accusing him of now.
02:00:07.180So then he says this morning, we're just going to talk person to person, truth to truth, because this case isn't about a criminal enterprise.
02:00:19.440And the government wants you to believe that Cassie Ventura was just some passive, powerless figure, that she was dragged along, voiceless, helpless.
02:00:27.720But that's not what the evidence shows.
02:00:30.020Cassie, she's not a victim in this courtroom.
02:02:17.580So I think that's a that's a very risky play to put that to have a male, first of all, deliver the closing and then tell I don't know how many women constitute that jury, but tell women this is what constitutes abuse.
02:02:30.280And I am telling you that this one was in it for the money and the power.
02:02:33.880And the subtext to me feels like she's a scorned woman.
02:04:30.060And it's like, OK, good luck with that, because New Yorkers are tough, but they can also see a manipulative bastard when they are presented with one.
02:04:40.560And they had Cassie on the stand, I think, for five, six days.
02:04:46.560Jean was on the stand, I think, for eight.
02:04:48.920Like, especially Cassie was sweet and soft spoken and demure and like like a kitten.
02:04:57.340I mean, you just you just wanted to kind of rescue her and help her.
02:05:01.080She did not project like, oh, yeah, I'm playing two guys against the like not at all.
02:05:08.120To me, the kid Cuddy thing seemed like a possible window out of an abusive relationship with a guy who seemed kind of sweet.
02:05:14.640This guy, Cuddy, seemed kind of nice and not like some manipulative bitch.
02:05:19.920She and even her texts were like, I love it when we're both into it, you know, when we're both into it.
02:05:26.680But like, I just don't think the jury is going to look at her and say, like, yeah, she actually enjoys sex.
02:05:50.000And I also think that the argument, if I'm a juror paying close attention and I'm reading things and I'm dismissing his argument from the get because he says Sean did those things, like the domestic abuse.
02:06:05.100You know, if he would have pled guilty to that.
02:06:29.240Sometimes we do things that disappoint ourselves.
02:06:32.100There was nothing about the victims here.
02:06:35.560So, again, as a New Yorker, a lifelong New Yorker, I remember, and this is still talked about in the hip-hop community, somebody else took the fall for that nightclub shooting.
02:06:45.280Sean Combs made sure that that happened.
02:06:47.480And I don't see him as a guy who, like, stands up and takes ownership of the things that he does wrong.
02:07:15.180I think he's not going to be acquitted, but it's not out of the realm of possibility because of just, I mean, it must be said that, like,
02:07:22.060the storm of crime that we were told was going to come around him didn't, you know, I realize they're saying he committed an arson on Kid Cudi's car and that he committed a kidnapping with his employee when he brought her over, Capricorn Clark, to Kid Cudi's.
02:07:39.780But like the, the, the, the over the top, like parties or everybody was going to go down as having watched it and participated in abuse that didn't materialize.
02:07:49.140And even like, I don't know, just their evidence around him.
02:07:52.900It boils down to like these long-term sexual relationships he had with a couple of women and these freak offs that he allegedly used his staff to cover up, not cover up, but to set up for and then clean up from, and yes, drugs and related sort of petty crime around it.
02:08:09.980And at the same time, he was an abuser of these women without question.
02:08:15.640And I gotta say, I expected more at the beginning, like when they raided the house.
02:08:21.600And so I'm not like, I'm not guaranteeing a conviction.
02:08:25.820I rarely would, but like, other than on transportation of prostitutes, you know, like that one he's getting convicted on.
02:08:32.540But on the other two, they've styled an interesting case that does meet the modern day definition of sex trafficking, but it's probably not going to be something the jury is familiar with as sex trafficking for that second case.
02:08:45.640Nor are they going to be familiar with a crime boss that looks or acts exactly like this.
02:08:51.100I'm going to hold out some optimism here.
02:08:57.660And I have, I have a lot of faith in New York juries and I have since Harvey, you know, since that jury, that was, that was more, that was seven men, I believe in five women who heard this very complicated testimony that his, his alleged victims who got up on that stand, continue to have sex with him.
02:09:17.100Sometimes emailed him, continue to socialize with him, put in writing, I can't wait to introduce you to my mother.
02:09:25.100And they came to understand that sexual assault survivors and rape survivors often behave in ways that do not seem logical or linear.
02:09:33.340And I think that, I, I also kind of think that Sean Combs overplayed his hand with his presentation in court as like your friendly neighborhood accountant who just sort of got swept up into this federal prosecution, who's just delivering hands, heart hands, like Taylor Swift, heart hands in court and toting his Bible everywhere.
02:10:26.160And you know what else the prosecutor mentioned in our closing, Maureen was the thing we discussed when you and I last talked about this case.
02:10:31.900The $20,000 payment he demanded from Cassie's mom, who was barely making her mortgage and had to take out a home equity loan to try to pay him or, or he was going to embarrass publicly humiliate Cassie.
02:10:47.140And she paid him and then he wound up giving it back with $20,000 was nothing to Diddy.
02:10:51.780He just did it to harass, not just Cassie, but her family to show everyone a lesson of what happens when you cross Diddy.
02:10:57.660You don't do what Diddy wants you to do.
02:10:59.460And so that the prosecution is doing it, what it needs to do too, which is like zoom out.
02:11:05.520Like the, the defense wants you to zoom in, super in, be super myopic on that's just domestic violence.
02:15:36.520And I feel, I, I can't feel sorry for someone with this amount of money and, you know, whatever she's got.
02:15:43.200But, like, I do kind of feel sorry for her because it's clear that her self-worth is bound up in one thing and that is her body and her sex.
02:15:50.820So, two things, her body and her sexuality.
02:15:53.580What's going on between her ears is of no concern to her, you know?
02:15:58.800Well, it's interesting to me because you look at, like, Melania Trump, who is this supermodel.
02:16:03.780She has lots of nude pictures, which are out there from when she was much, much younger, when she was a model, you know, and she did some racy photo shoots, including on Trump's plane.
02:16:13.000Ever since she became an actual adult, you know, a woman of a certain age.
02:16:18.080And even before Trump became a politician, like, she's the picture of class.
02:16:23.780You never see her trying to get our attention these days with that kind of behavior.
02:17:40.120It was a print interview, maybe with GQ.
02:17:41.860He said, you could be blanking the most beautiful woman in the world, and sometimes it's like having sex with the couch.
02:17:48.680Like, and that everybody took that to be about Angie.
02:17:54.300And that, you know, the wild child image was like the sort of overcompensation because, you know, but you don't see, you didn't see, and Angelina Jolie went the other way.
02:18:03.080She went over to the United Nations, and she went over to like adopting children from various countries.
02:18:10.320But it also, it just, to me, speaks to sort of the, I don't know if it's a chicken and the egg thing, but like the corrosive nature often of Hollywood and the insecure people who find themselves seeking validation through that level of mega stardom, where this does seem the worst thing you could say about Halle Berry in her mind is that she's bad at sex.
02:18:29.540Like, that's the worst thing you could say.
02:19:04.920I'm genuinely interested to hear from our audience.
02:19:07.800Like the men, do you, would you want, does it make you feel good to see your wife like half naked and people drooling over her, especially in the fifties?
02:19:58.280It really, it really kind of depresses me a little bit, you know, that there are so many great examples of women who grow older and grow further into themselves and expand their intellect and their interests.
02:20:14.180And they have a kind of freedom maybe in their 50s that they didn't have while they were raising children or, you know, trying to really climb the ladder of their careers.
02:20:22.820And they really begin to accrue a kind of power that nobody could really take from you, you know.
02:20:28.980And that really comes from knowing yourself and coming to like yourself.
02:20:31.580And I see stuff like this, and I think that this is just such a manifestation of rampant insecurity and self-loathing that at this stage in life does not bode well as they continue.
02:20:51.540Maybe Jeff Bezos is doing the same thing with his weird, I don't know what injectables, if any, he's getting.
02:20:56.180But he looks very strange and very different from how he used to.
02:20:58.460But in general, the men don't feel the need to over-sexualize themselves, like just to hang on to youth and vibrancy and like, I don't know, some projected sexual prowess.
02:21:08.860Like they don't seem to be doing this to themselves in Hollywood.
02:21:16.320I will say, Bezos is in tech, and I know a lot of people in tech, and I am told that there's pressure even on the men to try to stay young because it's just such a young man's game.
02:21:25.440But for the most part, it's women, it's famous women, and it's these women who just think they're reduced to one thing, they're vag.
02:21:36.080All right, I'm going to end on a positive note, in particular about women.
02:21:39.880There was a video, it got taken down probably for obvious reasons, but I did see it before it got taken down, of a young female B-2 fighter pilot working for the U.S. government.
02:21:53.580And this, and I don't know if it's the B-2 pilot who was involved in the Iranian strikes or not, whatever.
02:21:59.380But this woman, who was young and seemed very on it, talked about how she just wanted to get into, I think it was engineering, and I don't know, some sort of like super advanced scientific field.
02:22:12.560And then she found out, oh, there are opportunities in the U.S. military, she could potentially fly jets, something had never occurred to her before.
02:22:19.480And before she knew it, she was flying the B-2.
02:22:22.740She was young, she seemed no nonsense, she seemed super smart.
02:22:27.020I think about gals like that, Maureen.
02:22:29.180I think about the gals who worked at the CIA and helped find Osama bin Laden.
02:22:33.560And I think there's hope, you know, that most young women are much closer to those young women than they are to the Kardashians or on the path of a Halle Berry or going the Lauren Sanchez route.
02:22:46.560I think most young women do have a strong head on their shoulders and understand the difference between being sexy and being pathetic slash weirdly desperate and needy.
02:22:56.060Of being a sexual person, but still of having one's dignity and understanding in what settings to deploy one's sexiness and sexuality.
02:23:05.900Like I, we focus on these stories in part because they are anomalies, right?
02:23:13.880In certain industries, they're more common than in others.
02:23:15.960But in America, net-net, I still believe most young women have a strong head on their shoulders and know what they're doing and know the difference between right and wrong.
02:23:27.760And if I may humbly submit, it's because of fighter pilots such as the one you just referenced and also inspirations like you and I who have been to space and who came back to Earth to tell the tale and to serve as further inspiration and show a younger generation the way.
02:23:49.380But no, I couldn't agree with you more in all seriousness.
02:23:51.460I do think that those women are a minority slice of the population and that there's there just now we live in a world where there are just far too many examples of what it is to be a really accomplished woman of substance.
02:24:06.120That that is so much more appealing than stripping down to your vag on the Met Gala red carpet or showing up your oiled up what looks like a surgically enhanced behind on the yacht belonging to your what seems like a spiritually bankrupt billionaire, you know?
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