The Megyn Kelly Show - Major SCOTUS Victories, and Absurd and Bizarre Bezos-Sanchez Wedding, with Maureen Callahan, Dave Aronberg, and Will Chamberlain ｜ Ep. 1097

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00:00:31.220 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.940 Oh my God, there's so much happening.

00:00:47.040 Okay, I just want to show you, for those of you watching the show,

00:00:50.140 and I'll describe for the listening audience what my morning has looked like.

00:00:53.780 We had the prosecution's closing argument in Diddy, which I followed.

00:00:59.660 These are my notes.

00:01:01.100 Word by word, I transcribed it as I listened to it twice.

00:01:05.280 I'll explain how I did that in a minute because we're not in there.

00:01:07.660 We don't have actual audio.

00:01:09.960 Following, trying to figure out how to track with the evidence and so on.

00:01:12.720 Then came his closing argument.

00:01:14.460 He got up, not Diddy, but his lawyer.

00:01:16.540 Tracking that, okay, trying to figure that one out.

00:01:18.800 How did the arguments dovetail?

00:01:20.340 Here we go.

00:01:21.140 Boom.

00:01:21.540 Supreme Court comes out, drops a massive opinion.

00:01:24.580 Here it is.

00:01:25.420 It's 119 pages.

00:01:28.040 This is whether you can have a nationwide injunction issued by a district court judge to stop the Trump agenda.

00:01:34.440 That will like what's been happening.

00:01:35.860 God bless America.

00:01:36.980 The answer is no.

00:01:38.040 Then comes this case, Mahmoud versus Taylor.

00:01:42.700 This is the case.

00:01:43.780 Yay.

00:01:44.320 Authored by Alito.

00:01:45.320 You know you're going to love it when it's an Alito authored piece saying, screw you.

00:01:50.960 Schools that want to say parents don't have a religious right to object to you shoving LGBTQ information down their throats in K through five education.

00:02:00.980 What I mean, like in a case like that, when you see authored by Justice Alito, you just get down on your knees and you thank the Lord for this Supreme Court.

00:02:10.740 I don't care.

00:02:11.940 Sometimes we get annoyed.

00:02:13.940 Coney Barrett, Gorsuch, Roberts.

00:02:16.460 They all did the right thing here.

00:02:18.900 Six to three in both of those opinions I just mentioned.

00:02:23.760 Unbelievable.

00:02:24.380 We're going to go through them all.

00:02:26.340 This is on top of just just so you know, every day my team gives me these huge packets to get me ready for the show.

00:02:32.860 Then they give me the AM update, which is where we got the name for our second morning show.

00:02:37.720 Like the way I've got my let's kind of look at all the sound that we have for you today.

00:02:41.980 I can't even like there's a lot.

00:02:44.000 OK, so here's what we're going to do.

00:02:45.980 It's going to be well organized and not as hairy as I am.

00:02:48.420 Trump is speaking, by the way.

00:02:49.520 Of course, he's speaking now, reacting because like we don't have enough to cover for you.

00:02:54.280 He's reacting to the Supreme Court.

00:02:55.660 But if he says anything interesting, he's been on script for in the beginning, which isn't as interesting.

00:03:00.160 We'll bring it to you.

00:03:02.460 We're going to start with two very smart lawyers on what happened at SCOTUS and put that in perspective for you.

00:03:08.100 Then Maureen Callahan is going to come on. 0.99

00:03:10.080 We may extend the show almost certainly to get into everything we have to do with her, including Diddy.

00:03:15.420 So we're going to do that.

00:03:16.800 All right.

00:03:17.000 Now, let me tell you what happened at SCOTUS this morning.

00:03:19.140 Supreme Court of the United States in the first opinion that was released.

00:03:23.140 This is the last day of the court's term.

00:03:25.180 The Supreme Court.

00:03:27.940 Severely limited, maybe entirely, the ability of district court judges to issue these universal injunctions.

00:03:35.940 This has been resistance 2.0.

00:03:40.520 This is what they've been using to stop the Trump agenda.

00:03:44.580 And if you could have heard John Sauer, the solicitor general, go in there to argue this case, he was saying all the things that you and I discuss all the time, like judge judges.

00:03:53.880 They they they forum shop, they pick their favorite federal district court judge in the most liberal jurisdiction and they go in and ask that guy, gee, hasn't Trump violated the law?

00:04:07.600 And shouldn't we issue a nationwide injunction on that executive order and that executive order and that executive order and therefore shut down his entire second term agenda?

00:04:16.200 It's been working.

00:04:18.820 You just find the most liberal judge.

00:04:21.400 You make your case.

00:04:22.460 You get your nationwide injunction.

00:04:24.060 And yet another piece of Trump's agenda is done.

00:04:27.480 And this court was listening.

00:04:30.780 They said, you know what?

00:04:32.380 You're right.

00:04:33.720 And the answer to potential executive overreach is not judicial overreach.

00:04:40.140 Pretending we have more power than we do to stop executive orders, to stop executive initiatives on a nationwide basis, as opposed to on a plaintiff by plaintiff basis, where we look at this plaintiff to see if he's adequately alleged harm and decide whether.

00:05:00.000 For example, an executive order should be enjoined in this case.

00:05:04.560 OK, so as a result of today's ruling, these leftists likely will not be able to march into a far left judge in Boston or in San Francisco or in Washington, D.C.

00:05:16.840 and get a Trump policy they don't like put on hold or ended while their case plays out in the merits, which could take years.

00:05:26.080 This particular case stems from a very interesting issue, which just FYI has not yet been decided.

00:05:30.880 It's Trump's executive order putting a stop to birthright citizenship, meaning if you're born here, you have citizenship, even if you're born to two illegals.

00:05:39.140 Trump's trying to challenge that, saying the Constitution is actually a little bit more ambiguous than it sounds.

00:05:44.760 And there is some legal support for that.

00:05:46.980 But that case is going to play out on the merits.

00:05:49.520 And eventually there will be a ruling on whether he's right or wrong on that.

00:05:52.500 The justices did not get to that and whether his executive order is constitutional.

00:05:56.600 Instead, they got to whether these lower court judges who had stayed the effect of that order, who have said you cannot look at babies being born right now to illegals and say that they're not citizens.

00:06:13.780 Lower courts have said you cannot say that until we've got a final ruling in this case.

00:06:17.280 And the Supreme Court said, hmm, OK, you can you can stay the effect of this executive order as to the named plaintiffs in this case.

00:06:27.200 But we are not OK with the nationwide injunction thing.

00:06:30.780 Not in this case, necessarily, and not in all cases.

00:06:34.200 We are convinced lower courts don't have that authority.

00:06:38.120 Came down six to three along ideological lines.

00:06:40.420 Justice Amy Coney Barrett writing the majority opinion.

00:06:43.480 The dissents were blistering.

00:06:45.980 They're so upset.

00:06:46.780 So is David Hogg.

00:06:47.740 So, you know, it's a good day.

00:06:48.960 And we'll tell you all about the back and forth that went down between Justice Barrett and Ketanji Brown Jackson in particular.

00:06:54.540 In another major win that I mentioned a minute ago, the justice is letting Maryland parents opt their children out of classes with LGBTQ storybooks. 0.99

00:07:05.280 And don't make any mistake.

00:07:07.160 This ruling is going to be applied well beyond what was being shoved down the throats of these Maryland children.

00:07:12.660 That case was also six to three with Justice Alito writing the opinion.

00:07:17.960 Let me just start it here.

00:07:19.360 OK, that one was for you, Scott Pelley.

00:07:24.220 We've gone through this together.

00:07:26.220 Moms of Liberty went on 60 Minutes with this guy trying to say at very young ages, schools are shoving leftist woke ideology down the throats of young children. 0.55

00:07:40.080 And it's inappropriate, in particular, sexual materials and LGBTQ materials. 1.00

00:07:46.160 And Scott Pelley told America it wasn't happening.

00:07:51.140 Watch.

00:07:52.420 There are rogue teachers in America's classrooms right now.

00:07:55.640 Rogue teachers.

00:07:56.760 Rogue teachers.

00:07:57.300 Parents send their children to school to be educated, not indoctrinated into ideology.

00:08:01.640 What ideology are they being indoctrinated into?

00:08:04.180 Let's just say children in America cannot read.

00:08:10.060 They often dodged questions with talking points.

00:08:13.860 You're being evasive.

00:08:14.860 21% of Hispanic students are reading on grade level.

00:08:17.680 You're being evasive.

00:08:18.260 What ideology are the children being indoctrinated into?

00:08:22.260 What is your fear?

00:08:23.600 I think parents' fears are realized.

00:08:26.460 They're looking at these books where sexual discussions are happening with their children at younger and younger ages. 0.55

00:08:32.020 Tiffany Justice read from sexually explicit books written for older teens, but found in a few lower schools. 0.91

00:08:41.020 Most people wouldn't want them in a lower school.

00:08:44.420 But in a tactic of outrage politics, Moms for Liberty takes a kernel of truth and concludes these examples are not rare mistakes, but a plot to sexualize children. 0.99

00:08:58.080 You see, that was Moms for Liberty, just expounding, just a kernel of truth in what they were saying.

00:09:05.880 And then they bastardized this kernel to make a larger point.

00:09:10.240 Screw you, Scott Pelley.

00:09:12.400 In a six to three ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court just said it is happening.

00:09:18.900 It's absolutely happening.

00:09:20.740 And parents have a right to say no.

00:09:25.340 Here's Justice Alito.

00:09:27.180 The storybooks here unmistakably convey a particular viewpoint about same-sex marriage and gender.

00:09:34.020 And the board has specifically encouraged teachers to reinforce this viewpoint and to reprimand any children who disagree.

00:09:43.920 That goes beyond mere exposure.

00:09:48.220 We reject this chilling vision of power of the state to strip away the critical right of parents to guide the religious development of their children.

00:09:57.340 It is happening.

00:09:58.880 It's happening in schools beyond Maryland.

00:10:01.200 The U.S. Supreme Court has recognized it and has now just issued a powerful ruling arming parents state to state, coast to coast with the tools they need to shut it down when it comes to their child.

00:10:15.560 You're woke.

00:10:16.540 You want to let your kid go in there and learn about chopping off his penis when he's 12. 0.88

00:10:21.800 More power to you, sister.

00:10:23.820 I think it's abuse.

00:10:25.920 I think it's sad for your child.

00:10:27.520 You want that.

00:10:28.120 I think it's sick for a teacher, a school district to offer it at all.

00:10:31.980 But there is zero chance I'm letting my child sit there.

00:10:36.120 And as everybody listening to this show knows, I have not just talked that talk.

00:10:41.280 I've walked that walk.

00:10:42.540 It's why we left our schools in New York, as I documented at the time.

00:10:47.500 We left schools we had previously loved because they tried to indoctrinate our children on the issue of gender and race.

00:10:55.980 And we had had it.

00:10:58.740 And now we finally have a Supreme Court decision saying we were right.

00:11:04.680 Schools don't have the right to do this to our children. 0.83

00:11:08.180 This ruling says religious grounds will give you the power you need to get your child out of it. 0.89

00:11:13.560 But that's not going to be a problem for most of our listeners.

00:11:16.620 Most of us are religious people, not all of us.

00:11:20.420 But most of us have a good faith religious belief that what is happening here is deeply wrong in the K through five school districts and can use this.

00:11:29.380 But it'll be expanded beyond this because parental rights are not limited to those who are faithful.

00:11:35.420 It's been a great day at the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:11:37.240 Great.

00:11:38.040 Here to break it all down for us, our friend Dave Ehrenberg.

00:11:40.880 He is the author of the new book, Fighting the Florida Shuffle, the inside story of corruption in the drug treatment industry and how one community found the solution.

00:11:50.080 Along with Will Chamberlain, who is not Mike Davis, Mike couldn't be here today, but Will is senior counsel at Mike's Article 3 project is, I mean, just as every bit as smart as Mike Davis will.

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00:13:12.760 Great to be back, Megan.

00:13:13.880 Yeah, always good to be back.

00:13:15.460 Thank you.

00:13:16.280 Let me start with you as the conservative, Will.

00:13:18.340 What a day.

00:13:20.940 Yeah.

00:13:21.840 I mean, on the nationwide injunction front, you're right.

00:13:24.640 This basically ends the practice of nationwide injunctions in the absence of a class action lawsuit.

00:13:29.040 And that's a really, really good thing because it's very hard to get a class action certified.

00:13:34.380 And if you do, then if the government wins, there can't be any more suits on the topic.

00:13:38.820 So it's a huge W in terms of stopping the lawfare against the administration.

00:13:43.200 And on the case that you're talking about, Mahmoud v.

00:13:47.020 Taylor, that's another huge win.

00:13:48.900 I mean, and it's funny, I was just thinking to myself, listening to you, you know, in a sensible society, we wouldn't be discussing whether or not parents had the right to opt out of this instruction.

00:13:56.460 We would be discussing whether the people proffering this instruction should be criminally prosecuted.

00:14:01.340 It's appalling that this is even happening.

00:14:03.980 And so maybe we'll get there eventually.

00:14:05.600 And an interesting Supreme Court case would whether those people might have a First Amendment defense to criminal prosecution as a result of trying to indoctrinate our children in this way.

00:14:13.180 Before I go to Dave, do you think this will be this will be the first step in expanding the ruling eventually to just parents?

00:14:20.860 Parents have a right to pull their child.

00:14:22.760 You don't have to necessarily like what about free speech or ideological grounds?

00:14:26.640 Does it always have to be based on religion?

00:14:28.360 What do you think?

00:14:29.940 Yeah, I think so.

00:14:31.120 I mean, because in a sense, it's its own kind of religious doctrine, just not in the form of a religion.

00:14:35.400 Right. It's a it's a kind of all these claims that they're making are these bizarre metaphysical claims about the nature of man and woman.

00:14:41.980 And that have no scientific grounding.

00:14:43.920 They're they're just as, you know, essentially they're they're bizarre metaphysical claims, honestly, that are religious in nature, except that there is no deity involved.

00:14:54.380 That I mean, it's just so huge on a couple of fronts.

00:14:56.580 I mean, what do you make of that claim, Dave, that back on the injunctions case that this really has been resistance 2.0 and it was dealt a major blow today?

00:15:06.280 You know, it's interesting, Megan, and thanks for having me back.

00:15:08.780 Good to be with Will.

00:15:09.720 He's like the mild mannered Mike Davis.

00:15:11.980 And it really is, though.

00:15:16.300 Totally.

00:15:17.300 Yeah.

00:15:17.980 I try to remind my Democratic friends on my side of the aisle that Democrats hated nationwide injunctions as well.

00:15:24.620 Remember when Mephapristo, the abortion drug, was banned nationwide because one conservative judge in Texas who was picked for that reason, issued a nationwide injunction.

00:15:38.560 And people on the left were outraged by it.

00:15:40.940 So this cuts both ways.

00:15:42.800 It's just that this is being done during the Trump presidency.

00:15:46.280 And if there is a way out, you can try to get a class action or you can try to convince the judge that a nationwide injunction is still necessary to afford complete relief.

00:15:58.140 So you can still make that argument.

00:15:59.560 But, you know, this was a long time coming because there's been a lot of frustrations with these nationwide injunctions.

00:16:05.940 And we'll make it tougher, though, to stop President Trump's actions.

00:16:10.300 That's true.

00:16:11.120 So it's still a big win for those who are supportive of MAGA and Donald Trump.

00:16:18.000 If I can just say one other thing, Megan, a little bit off the top, you mentioned my book.

00:16:22.420 Do you know that the title of my book, Fighting the Florida Shuffle, comes from you?

00:16:26.060 I don't know if you realize that.

00:16:27.500 No, I didn't know that.

00:16:29.440 Well, a few years ago, I was on your show when you had the NBC show, and you did a whole segment on the Florida Shuffle.

00:16:36.040 So this title, it all comes back to Megyn Kelly.

00:16:39.400 Years later, the scams within the drug treatment industry, the fraud that exists, which is enabled, unfortunately, by well-intended laws like the Affordable Care Act, it continues.

00:16:48.760 And that's why I wrote this book and showed how we fought it here in Palm Beach County.

00:16:52.280 But this title comes from a segment you did years ago.

00:16:56.340 That's a great idea.

00:16:57.160 You're turning into Alan Dershowitz, finding a way to get your book reference in to any hit about it.

00:17:02.740 And it was smart, smart marketing, and I support the book and you.

00:17:06.160 So good on you.

00:17:07.480 Can we talk, Will, about the fight between Amy Coney Barrett and Ketanji Brown Jackson, who dissented, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in the nationwide injunctions case?

00:17:20.320 I thought it was smart that they had Coney Barrett write the majority opinion.

00:17:23.140 She hasn't written that many.

00:17:24.680 She's becoming kind of, well, loathed by many on the right for siding with the libs. 0.67

00:17:30.620 And I think it was probably no accident that Robert said, why don't you take this one and restore some of your good order, possibly with the right?

00:17:39.260 And it wasn't just that she sided with the six conservatives to uphold Trump's right to do this, at least for now, to not be subjected to nationwide injunctions.

00:17:47.860 But it's now pitted her against a very unpopular member of the Supreme Court with the right. 0.68

00:17:54.120 And those two went at it.

00:17:56.140 Amy Coney Barrett, in one instance, basically saying, your argument is too dumb for me to respond to.

00:18:01.800 Um, she says here, I'll read just part of it.

00:18:05.500 We're not we will not dwell on Justice Jackson's argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself.

00:18:13.600 We observe only this.

00:18:15.300 Justice Jackson decries an imperial executive while embracing an imperial judiciary.

00:18:20.760 Go ahead.

00:18:21.380 Yeah, I think the thing to keep in mind here is that's not just a concurring opinion where one judge is expressing their anger.

00:18:28.100 Six six justices signed on to an opinion that treats Justice Jackson's dissent as silly and infantile.

00:18:36.280 And that's not a good sign for Justice Jackson's influence on the court more broadly.

00:18:40.740 You have to think that the the six conservative justices found her arguments not just so not just wrong, but kind of offensive and silly in order to put pros like that in a majority opinion of the court.

00:18:53.720 So I think it's really reflective of how little respect the conservative justices have for her legal reasoning.

00:19:02.300 Yeah, there was another line where they say the principal dissent focuses on conventional legal terrain, like the Judiciary Act of 1789.

00:19:11.560 In our case, it's on equity.

00:19:13.280 Justice Jackson, however, chooses a startling line of attack that is tethered neither to those sources nor, frankly, to any doctrine whatsoever.

00:19:22.200 And they they go on.

00:19:23.880 I mean, they just continue pummeling her in the majority opinion.

00:19:26.860 I mean, truly, if you read between the lines, it's you're too dumb for us to argue with.

00:19:31.140 These arguments are beneath contempt and they're so unpersuasive and sophomoric.

00:19:36.500 We're just not even going to devote the time.

00:19:38.380 Your thoughts on it, Dave.

00:19:40.320 Well, I've known Justice Jackson since high school.

00:19:42.780 She and I did high school debate.

00:19:44.400 She was the best of the.

00:19:46.180 Yeah.

00:19:47.120 Were you on her team or you were against her?

00:19:50.380 Well, we went to the same summer program together, but we were on from different schools.

00:19:54.420 So I was never on her team, but she was always, I must say, the best in South Florida and Florida.

00:19:59.300 Everyone knew her and she really was outstanding.

00:20:02.440 And then I knew her in college and then I knew her in law school.

00:20:05.840 And so I have a lot of respect for her.

00:20:08.760 I must admit, I did not focus on her dissent.

00:20:11.160 I focus on the main dissent, Justice Sotomayor's dissent.

00:20:14.040 So I can't speak to the language, although it is unusual for a majority to be so dismissive of a dissent.

00:20:20.640 So I'll give you that.

00:20:21.460 I thought it was interesting in Justice Sotomayor's defense, in her dissent, that she focused not just on the history of nationwide injunctions, but also that this was a gimmick by the Trump administration.

00:20:34.860 This was a way around the fact that they knew they were going to lose on the issue of birthright citizenship.

00:20:39.820 So instead, they appealed the more popular issue of the nationwide injunctions, knowing they could win on that, but they're not going to win on birthright citizenship.

00:20:49.700 So essentially, she's saying this is gamesmanship.

00:20:52.220 Don't let them play this game.

00:20:54.000 And the Supreme Court is allowing them to do so.

00:20:57.320 And she's saying that they fell for it, whether it's gamesmanship or not.

00:21:00.220 Well, it worked. It worked like a charm because the Trump administration has gotten a nationwide injunction against virtually every executive order that he issued in that first week in office when we were celebrating like it was Christmas.

00:21:15.200 Bit by bit, they've been shut down and it's just gotten out of control.

00:21:19.720 And the court acknowledges this.

00:21:20.900 And Dave's right. Nationwide injunctions have upset the left and thrilled the right in the past.

00:21:26.960 I was one of the thrilled people when we got a nationwide injunction against Biden's changes to Title IX.

00:21:33.480 And I love that. And it was shut down by one judge for everyone across the nation.

00:21:38.360 So I'm not going to be able to have that moment anymore if we get another Democrat president in.

00:21:42.640 But the Supreme Court was making a valid point from John Sauer, which was, yes, this has been happening for some time in more recent history.

00:21:50.900 But it's gotten out of control. Well, yeah.

00:21:54.920 And I don't agree with Justice Sotomayor's position that this is gamesmanship, I think, for two reasons.

00:22:00.260 One, I think the administration will expect that there's going to be an attempt at a class action filed in birthrights in the birthright citizenship cases.

00:22:07.100 And I would be surprised if a class action wasn't certified at some point because you have, you know, the injury is pretty common across everybody who might be injured.

00:22:16.380 The idea that your children might not be citizens because you yourself were not born in the country or you are you yourself are not either a permanent resident or a legal citizen.

00:22:24.840 So I don't I don't think there's a gamesmanship in that regard.

00:22:27.420 I think they're going to eventually confront the administration knows it will eventually have to confront the constitutionality of birthright citizenship.

00:22:34.940 So I don't think this is a game to get out of that.

00:22:36.960 And then second, I think that it's not as simple as, oh, this is just obviously they're going to lose.

00:22:42.420 There's a lot of precedent for the idea that birthright citizenship is just a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

00:22:50.260 I mean, the simplest empirical example of why that's probably true is that American Indians don't have birthright citizenship.

00:22:57.120 They had to be granted citizenship by statute in 1924, 60 years after the passage of the 14th Amendment.

00:23:04.040 And that's because everybody understood that, you know, even though they're on American territory and subject to the sovereignty of the United States, they still had allegiance to their Indian tribes.

00:23:14.620 And given that, given that they actually, you know, were born and reside on the territory of the United States and so did all their parents, and yet they weren't granted birthright citizenship, the idea that it would obviously apply to the children of illegal aliens, I think, is certainly not guaranteed and certainly not obvious.

00:23:31.600 I think there's a real fight coming there, too.

00:23:33.800 But it does raise an interesting issue, Dave, on what happens now, because now the plaintiffs involved in these particular cases who sued are not going to get bounced out because the babies are born to two illegals.

00:23:54.120 Right. That the court says, you know, in the named plaintiffs cases, they can have the relief they're seeking.

00:23:59.780 And the district court judge has to figure out exactly what that looks like.

00:24:03.360 But. Since it doesn't apply beyond the name plaintiffs necessarily, we're not exactly sure, because the Supreme Court's kicking it back down to the district court to issue like an additional ruling.

00:24:14.760 What's going to happen is like every.

00:24:17.600 Let's say, I mean, it's got to be a situation where both parents are illegal, right, or like the mother gives birth to the child and the mother is here illegally because if the father were an American citizen, it would still have American citizenship.

00:24:27.400 So anyway, my point is, does every illegal couple across America now need to go file a lawsuit to try to keep their kid in the United States or able to get Social Security, you know, papers and so on?

00:24:41.580 We all get the kid's number when he's born.

00:24:45.220 It's like unclear to me, based on what I read this morning, how that's all going to play out now.

00:24:50.160 Yeah, I think that this is right for a class action.

00:24:52.320 I think that's the attack that the advocates will will do.

00:24:55.380 And I think that this will be tied up for the court.

00:24:57.820 So I don't think anyone's going to be deported who otherwise would be allowed to stay in the United States because of birthright citizenship.

00:25:03.320 And I think the Trump administration acknowledged that it would be an uphill climb to get the Supreme Court to rule their way because they could have sought a stay on the issue of birthright citizenship.

00:25:13.740 But they didn't.

00:25:14.580 They sought a stay based on the nationwide injunction issue, which tells you that I think they know themselves this is an uphill climb.

00:25:20.860 So I think where this has an impact is on all the other issues out there where there are nationwide injunctions against Trump's other actions.

00:25:28.520 That's going to be a problem for those who disagree with the president's decisions there, because I don't think that there will be anyone deported under this ruling.

00:25:38.180 But I do think that there will be people who may be deported based on other decisions that the president has made.

00:25:45.400 This here, another one just crossed the transom.

00:25:48.640 Six to three, the U.S. Supreme Court upholds a Texas law requiring users to verify their age to access porn sites.

00:25:57.340 The first major test, quoting here from The Washington Post, the first major legal test of statutes in two dozen states aimed at protecting young people from lewd content that has become ever easier to view.

00:26:09.140 In a six to three ruling, the justices rejected arguments from the porn industry that the law violates the First Amendment rights of adults to access explicit content online because it required users to share identifying information that could be sold, misused or hacked.

00:26:21.980 The court's three liberals dissented. In dissent, Justice Elena Kagan, joined by Sotomayor and Brown Jackson, said, while it was a reasonable goal to try to protect minors from lewd material online, that should not come at the expense of the rights of adults.

00:26:35.900 Well, I'm loving the Supreme Court and these three libs are exposing themselves for who they are. 1.00

00:26:44.720 Yeah, it's another one of these cases where I have a hard time really understanding the dissent.

00:26:49.680 And I'll be honest, I'm not super familiar with this case and the legal arguments, like the First Amendment arguments at stake here.

00:26:55.500 But, you know, you can't go to a store and purchase a pornographic magazine without showing ID to do so.

00:27:02.880 The idea that that wouldn't translate to the online environment seems kind of obviously wrong and would defeat much of the purpose of obscenity laws if it didn't hold because most obscenity is accessed over the Internet.

00:27:13.800 It's so crazy. It's it's great to see. Look, I'm happy for all these rulings.

00:27:19.620 But the one that I'm happiest about is on the lewd material in classrooms.

00:27:24.580 It's it's this was a sensible ruling.

00:27:27.480 And, you know, I've said before, if you're a conservative justice and you're on the wrong side of Justice Alito, you've done something wrong.

00:27:33.600 You need to reevaluate. This was six, three.

00:27:36.940 So good for them. Six, three, six, three, six, three on all the cases that matter today.

00:27:41.600 Loving what I'm seeing. Thrilled.

00:27:43.920 Dave, thank you. Will, you as well.

00:27:46.360 What a day.

00:27:48.980 I mean, I got to tell you guys, I.

00:27:51.540 You know, you can let these guys go and I don't need to stick around for my my rants, but.

00:27:55.680 But I covered the high court for I was a lawyer, as you know, for about a decade, I covered the high court for Fox News and ABC News for years.

00:28:05.400 And we've just never had a court like this.

00:28:07.680 And I realize some of them, we love some of them a little bit more than we love some others of them.

00:28:11.340 But when the chips are down and the law requires a win for the right, we do have six justices willing to do it.

00:28:21.140 But we do when the law is just clear and the left has gone too far in their excess.

00:28:28.900 We have six. That's so much better than five justices willing to do it.

00:28:34.000 So this bodes well on a number of issues that are likely to go up to the Supreme Court during the Trump presidency in particular.

00:28:40.240 And I think we can be heartened to know that even the justices we may not love as much as we love Alito and Thomas, when the chips are down, tend to do the right thing.

00:28:52.160 OK, we hope. Let's see. Still not really over the Gorsuch thing on the trans ruling, but that's going to come back up, too.

00:28:58.300 OK, Maureen Callahan is here. We have so much to do with her.

00:29:01.720 We've got our Michelle Obama parody and its world premiere.

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00:30:35.460 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show on a busy Friday afternoon.

00:30:41.200 Joining me now, the host of one of the hottest new shows on the Internet.

00:30:45.460 Thrilled. It's part of our MK Media podcast network.

00:30:48.100 It's called The Nerve with Maureen Callahan.

00:30:51.940 Maureen, welcome back. Great to see you.

00:30:54.080 It's great to see you, Megyn.

00:30:55.660 Oh, my God, I've missed you.

00:30:57.320 I know. Same.

00:30:58.700 I'm listening to you all the time.

00:31:00.280 You're crushing it.

00:31:00.940 I find you so entertaining and so fun.

00:31:04.720 The troublemakers in you have become a must listen for me.

00:31:07.840 And who would be surprised?

00:31:09.600 All right. There's so much to get to.

00:31:10.480 Well, that is high praise.

00:31:12.040 I'm like overwhelmed by the amount of news that we're looking at here.

00:31:14.540 So we got to do the Diddy trial.

00:31:18.080 I'm going to play some sound bites from the prosecution's closing.

00:31:22.200 The way I'm able to do that is one of my favorite Twitter accounts for staying up on Diddy trial news is at Diddy trial daily.

00:31:32.260 I don't know who's behind it, but he's doing a great job.

00:31:35.920 And so at Diddy trial daily voiced 22 minutes of the prosecution's five hour closing argument and kind of brought us in.

00:31:46.660 Now, we can see the transcripts ourselves, but it's always nice to have somebody reading it and kind of bring it to life.

00:31:50.760 So when we play sound bites from the prosecution's closing argument, which was done by a woman, not by this guy who's a man, but in any event, you'll hear these excerpts.

00:32:00.780 It's just from this guy on the Internet who I follow who's been following the case very closely.

00:32:06.000 OK, here are I'm just going to go through it, Maureen, some of these.

00:32:10.440 Um, here's what the prosecution said.

00:32:15.420 I got to put on my little reading glasses, my my my writing.

00:32:18.540 Would you look at my writing?

00:32:20.020 It's really terrible.

00:32:21.360 I don't know if you can see this, but it's just it's my way worse.

00:32:24.400 I've seen it.

00:32:25.100 Mine's way worse.

00:32:26.640 It looks like a stenographer only without the clever, you know, clues for shortening words.

00:32:31.960 But OK, the prosecutor says, first of all, this guy led a criminal organization and said, look at two incidents just just to keep this in your head.

00:32:43.220 March 2016, the Intercontinental, when he beat her and we all saw the tape.

00:32:47.180 2024, when he choked and hit Jane, the next girlfriend, the most recent girlfriend, as she tried to escape, he beat the hell out of her and then made her do a hotel night, you know, night of debauchery or a freak off night, whatever.

00:33:00.020 Um, time and time again, they talked about how with Jane in particular, she would beg him to just have a normal relationship to show her any sort of normal affection, saying, I'm not an animal.

00:33:09.820 I'm not a I'm not a porn star.

00:33:12.680 I just want to have a normal relationship with you.

00:33:14.660 And he'd say, OK, OK, OK.

00:33:17.140 And he'd say, we're going to go out to dinner.

00:33:18.920 And they'd show that he had ordered the sex worker as soon as he hung up with her. 0.97

00:33:23.660 Like and after he beat her, he called a sex worker after they had after she was crucified.

00:33:30.020 After two sex partners at one of these freak offs or hotel nights, she threw up, said, I can't do this.

00:33:37.440 And he said, you get back out there.

00:33:39.440 You got to do number three.

00:33:40.600 And she like that's what the prosecution starting with. 0.98

00:33:43.600 You remember just to kick it off.

00:33:45.420 2016 Hotel Intercontinental in L.A.

00:33:47.480 What happened to Cassie when she tried to leave a freak off and he got beaten up in front of our very eyes on that tape?

00:33:53.120 And 2024, he choked and hit Jane as she tried to escape because he was determined to watch her do what he wanted to watch her do.

00:34:01.260 They talked about how this is.

00:34:04.500 Oh, I got to put my glasses back on.

00:34:07.220 They said he relied on his wealth and his power to place himself above the law and his staff helped him.

00:34:13.700 It was a Combs enterprise and it existed to serve him.

00:34:17.960 He named the names within the enterprise.

00:34:20.340 KK, his sort of chief of staff and others who helped trap the women, supplied cash and drugs across state lines. 0.89

00:34:28.520 That alone is sufficient, they said, to get him on racketeering.

00:34:32.460 And they said he himself engaged in purchased funnel drugs.

00:34:37.160 He's guilty of kidnapping, of arson, of bribery, of sex trafficking, of both Cassandra and Jane.

00:34:42.400 He forced labor them into labor, those women into doing this. 1.00

00:34:46.440 And also one of his other staffers who he kidnapped and brought over to Kid Cudi's.

00:34:53.620 He said he engaged in travel for commercial sex, meaning he hired sex workers.

00:34:58.880 The drug distribution was critical to the freak offs and many helped get the drugs to Cassie Ventura and to Jane at every freak off.

00:35:07.980 Capricorn Clark is the woman who he kidnapped and brought with him to Kid Cudi's. 0.90

00:35:15.060 And also she testified that we talked about this last time you were on, Maureen.

00:35:18.560 She's the one who says she was kidnapped by so-called Uncle Pauly, who worked for Diddy, dragged to some building in Manhattan.

00:35:25.480 And maybe we didn't talk about this.

00:35:27.040 Maybe I'm just thinking about you talking about on the nerve and me talking about here.

00:35:29.960 Anyway, dragged there and given a lie detector test for five days to see if she stole some jewels from Sean Combs. 0.98

00:35:37.040 And they're saying, look, this is not legal.

00:35:39.780 You can't do this.

00:35:42.120 They talked about the kidnapping and they talked about Kid Cudi in a part that was very interesting.

00:35:46.680 Here's, again, our friend at Diddy Daily reading the part about Kid Cudi.

00:35:50.320 In January of 2012, Combs orchestrated this whole arson on Kid Cudi's car.

00:35:57.480 A hole was cut in the roof and a Molotov cocktail was dropped in.

00:36:02.120 And we know it was Mr. Combs because Voight's voice notes captured Combs' threats to blow up the car.

00:36:09.660 And Cudi had no other conflicts except for with Combs.

00:36:12.220 And then D-Rock later brought Cudi to Combs, where Combs apologized.

00:36:17.520 So we know that that was him.

00:36:20.200 Okay, so that was the Kid Cudi thing.

00:36:22.240 Then I'm just going to play one other soundbite and I'll bring you in Maureen on it.

00:36:26.180 They talked about Jane, the other key witness, and how she wrote to him saying, I don't want to do this.

00:36:33.420 Like I said, I'm not an animal and I don't, I'm not into this at all.

00:36:37.740 Like I want a real relationship, I don't want to just be used as your circus animal.

00:36:41.940 And how he responded to her, I'm about to disappear on you, you get on your job.

00:36:48.120 Here's that, again, read by Diddy Daily.

00:36:53.900 Jane's case began with love bombing. 0.99

00:36:57.180 She was smitten.

00:36:59.020 There were trips to the Caribbean.

00:37:01.500 Dr. Hughes calls this love bombing stage a grooming tactic.

00:37:05.660 Combs gave Jane ecstasy.

00:37:08.900 It caused her convulsions.

00:37:10.280 He made her put baby oil all over herself. 1.00

00:37:12.720 He made her wear lingerie.

00:37:14.980 He loved red lights.

00:37:17.700 In May of 2021, high and eager to please, Jane joined a freak off with an escort.

00:37:24.800 Initially, she was excited, but she didn't see it dominating her life and the relationship.

00:37:30.200 She texted Sean her desire to stop, wanting non-activity hotels, but Combs ignored her.

00:37:39.360 He was serving his desires.

00:37:42.120 He would dictate how long they would last.

00:37:44.780 He would make her request nude photos from male escorts for his benefit.

00:37:49.520 When she would ask to use a condom, he would be condescending.

00:37:54.300 When she would try to speed up, he would make her slow down.

00:37:58.400 He dangled gifts and money and unfulfilled promises in front of her.

00:38:03.880 You saw texts where Jane wrote,

00:38:06.080 I don't want you to use me to fulfill your freaky wild desires in hotel rooms.

00:38:12.600 He'd write back saying, look at the roof over your head and your pretty mouth and teeth.

00:38:19.280 Leveraging the rent that he had paid and the veneers that he had paid for.

00:38:24.680 For an all-star party, he demanded she had sex with three men. 0.99

00:38:29.620 She sent pictures of period blood to resist.

00:38:32.980 In a voice note, you heard him say, I'm about to really disappear on you.

00:38:38.640 I don't have time for this.

00:38:40.120 You got me on my job.

00:38:41.500 Now you get on your job.

00:38:45.120 Maureen, devastating.

00:38:47.660 That is so brutal.

00:38:49.800 That note about the period as just trying any means necessary to get this guy off of her metaphorical neck for a minute.

00:38:58.240 You know, I'm so grateful that the Cassie video is out there in the world.

00:39:05.700 Yeah.

00:39:06.020 I think without that video, the defense would have had a much easier time convincing, again, a very sophisticated, hard-in-jury that this is nothing more than lover's spats over one partner's sexual preferences.

00:39:21.060 And, you know, a fetishization of baby oil that, frankly, is Warholian.

00:39:27.020 But I'll be shocked if he's not found guilty.

00:39:29.800 I'll be shocked.

00:39:30.840 You know, I remember talking to you about this last time I was with you.

00:39:33.520 And I asked you, I asked you as a lawyer, when he went after Cassie, when she was trying to run out of that hotel room at that elevator bank, and he grabbed her and threw her to the floor and dragged her back to that room, does that legally constitute kidnapping?

00:39:47.200 And you said, yes, without hesitation.

00:39:50.220 How can they not find him guilty of at least that count?

00:39:53.280 And they're arguing.

00:39:56.760 See, I think part of the problem people have in understanding this case is the misunderstanding of what sex trafficking is.

00:40:04.220 Racketeering, that's a whole other thing.

00:40:05.840 But they're trying to show he's like a crime boss with all these people who work for him who are enforcing his orders to commit crimes.

00:40:12.780 And it's like, I guess we just sort of roll our eyes and say, like, oh, he's a rocker.

00:40:17.320 Like, he's a music mogul.

00:40:19.700 They all do drugs.

00:40:20.800 Well, you know what?

00:40:21.240 It's still illegal.

00:40:21.920 They all use prostitutes. 0.99

00:40:24.020 OK, it's still illegal.

00:40:25.780 They all have guns.

00:40:27.500 It may or may not be illegal, depending on the nature of the gun and its use.

00:40:31.700 They don't all commit arson or kidnap or brutally batter repeated women.

00:40:39.980 They don't bribe hotel security guards to hide tapes of their beatings.

00:40:45.200 They don't allegedly go to nightclubs and shoot somebody in the face.

00:40:49.360 He denies that somebody else was found guilty for it.

00:40:51.480 But that man claims it.

00:40:52.340 Did he actually did it?

00:40:53.680 OK, in any event, what the prosecution is showing is this has gone so far beyond like mild lawbreaking, for lack of a better term, that you might even assume your average rap mogul has engaged in.

00:41:07.580 It's just so far beyond.

00:41:08.740 And on the sex trafficking, they're trying to show they have to show.

00:41:11.380 That these women were sort of forced, not sort of, that they were forced to perform sex at these hotel nights or debauchery nights or freak offs without their consent.

00:41:21.100 And the prosecution point out it's it's not a problem for us if they can send it to some.

00:41:25.760 We only have to show that there was one that they didn't consent to.

00:41:28.960 And by the way, mid freak off, you can withdraw your consent.

00:41:33.080 And if he continues to force you from that point forward, he's guilty.

00:41:36.720 And the sex trafficking, yes, it can happen.

00:41:40.080 We're like there's an international ring and they kidnap young girls and they force them to perform sexual behavior for creepy old men.

00:41:48.940 That's a form of it.

00:41:49.960 But I learned this when I went over to NBC and did, you know, a lot different kind of segments, softer segments, the only upside of NBC.

00:41:59.120 Sex trafficking in America looks very different.

00:42:02.040 And what happens in a lot of cases is you'll have online dating where the girl shows up ready to date somebody she met online.

00:42:09.460 And she finds out while she's in his car driving to their dinner, he knows about her her three year old son because he did his homework on her.

00:42:18.800 And he brings her to a hotel and says, you're going to go in there and you're going to screw these next three guys or your son gets it.

00:42:24.540 That is absolutely sex trafficking, forcing someone to perform a sexual act by force or threat.

00:42:31.320 And so that's how you have to understand the Diddy case.

00:42:34.020 They're saying these women were threatened with their livelihoods, which he controlled with embarrassment because he'd already gotten them on camera performing these things when they still thought they loved him and he loved them with professional embarrassment, with a beatdown, another physical beatdown, which both of them had testified he served them multiple times and so on.

00:42:55.500 And so like that they were no more free to say no to those freak offs than this woman who is, by the way, it's a real case that I just outlined, whose son was under threat if she didn't go through with suddenly becoming a forced prostitute. 0.99

00:43:11.220 I mean, I think the the evidence is overwhelming.

00:43:14.080 I would like to think, again, post Harvey, that there has been a much more nuanced understanding of what constitutes a victim of rape, sexual abuse and or sex trafficking, to your point.

00:43:26.220 It's the same with rape, right?

00:43:28.040 Your husband can rape you, you know, that marital rape, I think, is a relatively new statute on the books.

00:43:35.120 Am I correct?

00:43:37.060 It's been around for decades, but there was a time in this country, like around the 1950s, where you could not rape your wife legally.

00:43:44.120 Yeah, that to me feels like the blink of an eye, you know, the Diddy thing, you know, what I wonder, how much do you think, because human beings are human beings, that emotionality is going to play into this verdict?

00:43:57.880 Because there were multiple reports that the times that the jury was forced to watch those videos of the freak offs, that at least half of them looked visibly ill.

00:44:08.860 Mm hmm.

00:44:10.060 I think the jury is going to do the right thing.

00:44:11.940 And that's a conviction.

00:44:13.260 I actually think he's going to be convicted on all three counts, racketeering, forced sex trafficking, and obviously the traffic or the transport of sex workers across state lines.

00:44:22.760 That one they just should have pleaded guilty to because it's just they have him dead to rights.

00:44:26.540 The only defense to that, it was offered in the defense's opening where they suggested they weren't coming for sex.

00:44:33.400 He wanted to talk about, like, their feelings.

00:44:35.900 He wanted them to come for, like, emotional support.

00:44:38.920 Like, oh, it's like, would you just just admit that one?

00:44:41.760 OK, in any event, he's definitely going down.

00:44:44.280 If he doesn't go down on that, it's total jury nullification.

00:44:47.440 That's that's kind of the one that will show us whether this jury was just enamored with his fame and fortune and power.

00:44:54.600 If he's found not guilty on the, you know, traveling people for sex trafficking or for prostitution, because he very clearly did that.

00:45:02.320 There's really no defense.

00:45:03.540 But I think he's going to be found guilty on all three of the charges.

00:45:07.720 And what's happening now is kind of interesting because you've got Agnifilo.

00:45:11.520 He's the lead defense counsel up there doing his closing.

00:45:15.220 And Agnifilo, again, just as a reminder for the audience, represented the NXIVM cult founder, Keith Raniere from my hometown.

00:45:26.320 We're known for more than this.

00:45:27.840 Albany, New York.

00:45:28.540 Well, two stars out of there.

00:45:30.860 Yeah.

00:45:31.600 Right.

00:45:32.100 Right.

00:45:32.420 Two stars.

00:45:32.940 And it failed.

00:45:36.940 He did this same thing that he's doing now with this jury, which is like, oh, this is utter nonsense.

00:45:41.880 I'm looking for my papers on him.

00:45:43.440 Oh, this is utter nonsense.

00:45:44.920 Oh, this is bullshit.

00:45:45.820 Here it is.

00:45:46.980 You're smarter than that.

00:45:48.540 And the jury was like, we are smart and we see right through you.

00:45:52.660 But here's here's some highlights of his defense.

00:45:56.900 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let's talk about who Sean Combs really is.

00:46:00.080 He's a self-made black entrepreneur.

00:46:03.680 Had to get that in there, Maureen.

00:46:05.860 A visionary.

00:46:07.020 A man who built real businesses.

00:46:08.360 Businesses so successful and groundbreaking that major players chose to partner with him.

00:46:12.340 Don't take my word for it.

00:46:13.440 Derek Ferguson told you that himself.

00:46:14.800 He was a witness.

00:46:15.820 You think it's easy to be Sean Combs?

00:46:17.200 No, it's not.

00:46:18.000 How many witnesses sat in that chair and admitted they were pushed, challenged, even changed by him?

00:46:21.840 Those assistants, they said it felt like Harvard Business School.

00:46:24.520 They were pushed so hard.

00:46:25.420 Did they like it?

00:46:26.000 No.

00:46:26.280 But did they grow from it?

00:46:27.360 Absolutely.

00:46:28.320 They didn't always like him.

00:46:29.560 But let's be honest.

00:46:30.240 They loved him.

00:46:30.820 Even the ones suing him today.

00:46:32.840 Now, by the way, all of that, I could actually say that about my team.

00:46:36.140 I think I pushed my staff to the point where it's like a Harvard Business School education and that maybe they don't always like it, but they grow from it.

00:46:43.100 But I didn't actually ask them to, like, give me drugs or clean up after my sex romps or I didn't kidnap them and subject them to lie detectors.

00:46:51.200 I didn't bring them with me for a kidnapping or an arson against somebody else.

00:46:55.060 I don't force them to get my drugs.

00:46:57.260 It's a long list.

00:46:58.180 I mean, our summer interns right outside my office door here, I'm sure she can attest.

00:47:01.740 Really, what she's been doing mostly is bringing me paper.

00:47:04.780 So in any event, it's like this generic defense, Maureen, for like horrific things.

00:47:10.400 And then one other thing, he goes back to the race.

00:47:14.000 OK, so this guy took the stand, this Derek Ferguson.

00:47:17.160 He's from the Bronx.

00:47:18.400 He told you there weren't many hiring people like me, but Sean Combs did.

00:47:23.340 Why?

00:47:24.000 Because he saw talent.

00:47:25.020 He built something bigger than himself because real diversity, not just performative DEI, was something he lived.

00:47:32.860 And he was doing it at 24 years old, long before it was trendy, long before it was corporate policy.

00:47:37.280 And what do prosecutors call it?

00:47:39.740 Racketeering.

00:47:40.600 That's the story they're trying to sell you.

00:47:42.480 What?

00:47:43.320 He's not on trial for being a racist.

00:47:46.480 This is such a non sequitur.

00:47:49.580 He's just a black businessman trying to make his bones in America, Megan. 0.81

00:47:54.300 He should have had Sonny Hostin on his defense team.

00:47:56.840 By the way, I think the one thing you missed in sort of the school of, I'm bringing you up through the school of hard knocks.

00:48:03.440 I'm going to teach you how it's done.

00:48:05.140 Dangling people off of balconies.

00:48:07.420 One of Sean Combs' alleged go-to moves, which is just, I mean, this guy is so dangerous, lest we forget.

00:48:14.860 But he attempted to get bail three times, and he was smacked down every single time.

00:48:20.320 And the main reason was the threat that the government believed he posed to potential or existing witnesses against him in this case.

00:48:29.220 I mean, he is a dangerous, dangerous guy.

00:48:31.460 I agree with you.

00:48:32.440 I think he will be found guilty.

00:48:33.720 I think he will be living out his days at MDC, fighting it out with the likes of Luigi Mangione for popularity, clicks and likes.

00:48:43.200 And also, I'm very curious, what did you make of, because originally we had been told that the defense had three witnesses they were going to put on, two of whom had been ex-bad boy employees of Sean Combs.

00:48:54.700 And then a few days ago, they announced, no, nobody, we're going to put nobody up.

00:48:58.200 We're just going to go straight to closing arguments.

00:49:00.140 What do you make of that strategy?

00:49:01.500 They're relying on their cross-examinations of the prosecution's witnesses, some of which were very effective.

00:49:08.740 You know, the dangling over the balcony lady kind of fell apart on cross. 0.98

00:49:12.300 I don't believe that it was a lie, but they certainly, they had reason to believe that it was a lie because she said she was injured and she showed pictures.

00:49:18.840 And the injuries that she showed were from a date when Sean Diddy was out of the country.

00:49:24.860 So they did a good job on the defense in crossing some of these witnesses with what they had.

00:49:29.280 You know, their whole thing is, I'll give you, I'll give you the line.

00:49:33.140 Okay, back to Agnifilo.

00:49:35.660 Poor Sean Combs, that's my word.

00:49:37.600 They didn't say poor Sean Combs, but that's what they're trying to say.

00:49:39.540 He gets arrested.

00:49:41.780 His home is raided, property destroyed, a special response team, like we're dealing with a terrorist, not a businessman, bursts in.

00:49:49.460 No cameras allowed, no accountability, just chaos.

00:49:52.100 His children were there, six of them sitting in this courtroom, second row, the seventh, still a baby.

00:49:57.460 This is the man they want to reduce to headlines and soundbites, a man who takes care of people, pays for them.

00:50:02.560 So what do they do?

00:50:04.180 They wrap metaphorical yellow crime scene tape, not around a murder scene, but around Sean Combs' bedroom, his hotel rooms, his personal relationships.

00:50:16.180 They're not investigating crimes.

00:50:18.380 They're criminalizing private choices.

00:50:21.140 This I have to say I like.

00:50:23.080 I don't buy, but I like it as a clever legal way around the facts for this defense team.

00:50:30.100 You know, it just broke today, by the way, that Sean Combs and one of his sons, I wonder if it's one of them who is in the courtroom right now, are being sued for, I believe, $30 million for rape.

00:50:41.880 And I remember reading about this accusation.

00:50:44.380 I think it happened on a boat.

00:50:45.660 I'm not sure.

00:50:46.660 But I can't imagine the jurors haven't seen that.

00:50:48.840 And that I know they're supposed to only deal with the facts in front of them submitted as evidence and whatever the defense puts on as their cross and their defense.

00:50:56.540 But I just think a New York jury knows exactly who this guy is.

00:51:00.560 We've been living with Sean Combs in New York since the early 90s, at least.

00:51:06.040 You know, I remember that that that event he put on.

00:51:09.060 He escaped criminal prosecution, but it was an overcrowded venue that he promoted and people died in a stampede.

00:51:16.360 He's had an above-the-law attitude and existence for 30-some years now, and it finally caught up with him.

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00:53:57.960 I'm Maureen Callahan, host of The Nerve with Maureen Callahan, is back with me now.

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00:54:16.480 Again, The Nerve with Maureen Callahan.

00:54:19.080 All right, there's more to talk about on Diddy, but I want to pause it because it's important that we bring the audience our world premiere before, you know, before it's too late.

00:54:28.080 Um, Maureen and I have become, in addition to astronauts, professional actresses, and, um, we've been booked on many high profile gigs.

00:54:37.200 We've, we've got definitely more audience watching our acting gigs than watch many of the things that have made others stars in Hollywood.

00:54:46.540 Um, so yeah, we're legit.

00:54:48.220 That's the, that's what you need to know.

00:54:49.560 And we got the gang back together because there was somebody we found so annoying, so constantly complaining, so cringy that we felt the need to mercilessly mock her.

00:55:03.200 Those are really the ingredients that will bring us out of our day jobs and, and have us put our acting caps back on.

00:55:11.640 Um, and really we could think of no more worthy candidate than Michelle Obama, who, as you know, has launched a podcast along with her brother, Craig, who sits there as her supplicant episode after episode.

00:55:25.840 It's not doing well.

00:55:27.920 She's going on other people's podcasts to try to sell it.

00:55:30.640 It's not working.

00:55:31.740 And we have figured out why it is not working and she is not selling.

00:55:36.460 And I believe it will become apparent to all of you in the following world premiere of Megan O.

00:55:43.540 Megan O is one of America's most admired former first ladies.

00:55:47.580 Seriously.

00:55:48.300 Is there anyone more inspiring?

00:55:50.860 I mean, who doesn't love Megan O?

00:55:52.260 Choice for president.

00:55:53.200 There's really no one else who is more popular than her.

00:55:55.460 Megan O is on the cover of Vogue for the 12th time.

00:55:58.760 I think she's living her best life.

00:56:00.460 I think she's doing whatever the hell she wants wearing, whatever the hell she wants, putting her hair in whatever shape she wants. 1.00

00:56:06.460 Megan O didn't just, you know, fill the first lady role. 1.00

00:56:09.960 She actually reshaped it. 0.98

00:56:11.200 I got an advanced copy of what everybody's calling the book of the season.

00:56:14.400 And I loved it so much.

00:56:16.920 I've already read it twice.

00:56:18.940 Former first lady Megan O is launching a new podcast today.

00:56:22.100 And not just solo.

00:56:23.280 She's doing it with her sister, Rory.

00:56:26.720 Now, prepare to be inspired and uplifted like never before.

00:56:31.740 Here is former first lady Megan O. 0.97

00:56:36.460 I've been doing the work and going to therapy and just figuring out, like, what happened those eight years we were in the White House?

00:56:45.520 What happened that eight years?

00:56:48.360 What did that do to me internally?

00:56:51.260 My soul.

00:56:52.380 No one talks about this.

00:56:53.700 No, they don't.

00:56:54.840 We made it through.

00:56:55.800 We got out alive.

00:56:56.780 I hope we made the country proud.

00:57:00.900 My girls are whole.

00:57:02.940 But what happened to me?

00:57:04.060 What happened to me?

00:57:07.000 This is so brave.

00:57:08.540 She'll share many cherished memories from eight years as first lady.

00:57:12.960 Many people don't understand.

00:57:14.780 Not much is covered in the White House.

00:57:17.000 It's expensive to live in the White House.

00:57:19.040 I had to buy the groceries.

00:57:21.600 I had to pay for everything.

00:57:23.700 I mean, my house was paid for.

00:57:25.680 And my 19 acres were paid for.

00:57:28.620 And my staff was paid for.

00:57:30.400 My husband had a plane.

00:57:31.540 And I had a plane.

00:57:32.500 But we had to pay for my daughter's plane tickets.

00:57:36.860 Yeah.

00:57:37.080 Oh, my God.

00:57:38.300 We had to buy our food.

00:57:41.660 Stop.

00:57:42.400 Who else has to buy their own food?

00:57:44.380 How would we manage this?

00:57:45.800 Tune in every week for Megano's insightful relationship advice.

00:57:50.840 Picking your mate is like picking a basketball team.

00:57:54.260 You can't just have somebody who's a shooter or plays defense.

00:57:57.800 He's got to do it all.

00:57:59.000 You don't want to marry a man who's like, well, I don't cook. 1.00

00:58:01.800 You know, you got to make sure that he can cook.

00:58:04.980 He can do the laundry.

00:58:06.680 He can be your emotional support partner.

00:58:09.800 He could be president.

00:58:10.780 And he better do at least 50% of all household chores.

00:58:15.800 Or you've married a sexist.

00:58:17.700 I know you don't cook.

00:58:18.560 I do not.

00:58:19.580 And now, are you cooking now?

00:58:21.020 Nope.

00:58:22.560 Nope.

00:58:23.280 It's not on my agenda.

00:58:25.360 Hear Megano share the many joys of parenthood.

00:58:28.400 I don't understand these women who have these kids. 1.00

00:58:33.220 Oh, I'm going to have these kids.

00:58:34.480 They're going to be so great.

00:58:35.720 Do you know what having children does to your life?

00:58:38.640 It ruins it.

00:58:40.100 They mess you up.

00:58:41.740 Your life is ruined.

00:58:42.980 Say goodbye to your happiness, whatever may have existed.

00:58:46.480 They're a hassle.

00:58:47.760 They're exhausting.

00:58:49.480 And they're demanding.

00:58:51.160 Finally, they're launched.

00:58:52.700 So now mine or somebody else's problem.

00:58:55.060 But my God, the sacrifice.

00:58:57.620 I could have been happy.

00:58:59.460 She'll offer uplifting advice to help anyone facing obstacles or adversity.

00:59:03.260 If I've learned nothing else, I have learned it's not my fault.

00:59:07.940 And I've learned that this is a racist, disgusting country.

00:59:12.720 Those two things I know.

00:59:14.180 People ask me all the time.

00:59:15.780 They want my advice.

00:59:17.580 And so they ask me, what is marriage?

00:59:20.760 What does it mean?

00:59:21.480 And I tell them it's about misery.

00:59:24.680 I tell people and folks think that this is harsh.

00:59:28.780 It's like you're going to have a bad decade.

00:59:30.780 And when you have a bad decade or two, what you need to remember is it's not you.

00:59:40.300 It's your husband or your children.

00:59:43.720 That's who's to blame.

00:59:45.280 If you choose to have a traditional marriage and you have kids, let me tell you,

00:59:49.640 the years of one to 13 will be bad.

00:59:54.400 And don't be surprised.

00:59:55.720 People say, oh, it's a bad week.

00:59:57.320 It's a bad day.

00:59:59.120 We're talking decades now of bad marriage that you definitely need to blame on someone else.

01:00:06.160 I'm Megan O.

01:00:07.600 People need to hear from me.

01:00:09.740 I'm Michelle Obama.

01:00:12.380 People line up for my advice.

01:00:16.740 We don't articulate our pain.

01:00:19.360 Yes.

01:00:19.720 We keep it all bottled up inside and then nobody ever asks us about ourselves.

01:00:26.080 We all want to know what can we do.

01:00:28.760 How can we help you all?

01:00:31.520 Do something.

01:00:32.860 Why do I always have to be the one to explain how angry I am?

01:00:36.000 Figure it out.

01:00:37.100 Don't make us feel like we're crazy.

01:00:38.820 That's it.

01:00:43.740 I think we nailed it.

01:00:45.420 Inspirational yet again, Megan.

01:00:47.940 Oh, my God.

01:00:50.060 This one, this one was, they, they kind of get easier and easier, you know?

01:00:55.200 Like I, first of all, again, neither one of us, to my knowledge, I'm open about having

01:01:00.000 no formal acting training.

01:01:02.700 Nope.

01:01:03.200 No training.

01:01:04.620 You know, and these gifts just keep landing on the proverbial doorstep, you know?

01:01:09.720 I mean, the dialogue, if we had credits rolling after that spoof, the script would have been

01:01:16.280 written by one Michelle Obama.

01:01:18.500 Yes, that's exactly right.

01:01:19.760 No, we have Jake Whitman who produced it for us.

01:01:22.780 Again, he, he came and it was just the three of us and he gave us like a couple of lines.

01:01:28.480 In particular, he was giving me things that Michelle Obama has actually said, because

01:01:31.740 I think he had the vision of splicing her in and you almost couldn't believe them.

01:01:37.040 It was like, could you, I think you might need to go back and check that.

01:01:39.680 There's no way that must've come from some other parody, but no, time and time again,

01:01:43.520 it was her exact words.

01:01:45.820 That's, she's even more miserable than we portrayed her. 1.00

01:01:49.900 Even more.

01:01:50.740 And since then for, I can't wait to see how this is received.

01:01:54.300 Cause I think it's another banger, but she, she did that, um, podcast recently where she 1.00

01:01:59.540 said, I think you talked about it on your show.

01:02:02.220 Uh, we definitely did on the nerve like, oh, she's so glad she and Barack never had a son.

01:02:08.300 Yeah.

01:02:08.880 Because God forbid Barack had a Barack junior and she would have felt so bad for this child,

01:02:16.640 this boy who probably would have inherited Barack Obama's looks, talents, charm, charisma into like,

01:02:25.500 oh God, no, the earth was spared another version of Barack 2.0.

01:02:31.200 It's unbelievable.

01:02:33.760 Like, even if you're going to spin that as charitably as possible, like, oh, he would have had to live

01:02:40.040 up to Barack Obama.

01:02:42.720 She didn't say that.

01:02:44.180 She didn't then clarify the point to make sure that that's what she meant.

01:02:48.360 And, and so I genuinely think she meant what she said.

01:02:51.940 Oh God, I'd have another Barack Obama on my hands and who the hell wants that? 0.99

01:02:56.380 I mean, we kind of can relate, but whatever.

01:02:58.280 It's fine.

01:02:58.840 It's different.

01:02:59.480 We're, we're the general public, but it was so funny.

01:03:02.040 Like I'll show the audience.

01:03:03.080 One other thing we, um, yesterday we had on ruthless and Josh Holmes was saying,

01:03:06.180 you should show some outtakes.

01:03:07.280 Cause we showed a tease.

01:03:08.160 I'm like, you know what?

01:03:08.620 We should show some outtakes.

01:03:09.480 So they cut a couple of you and me when we were sitting there and just how funny it was

01:03:13.780 because she's so absurd.

01:03:15.960 You, we had no idea she was this negative, a person when she was first lady and still

01:03:21.240 behind the marketing PR wall that had been placed in front of her.

01:03:26.120 It's been such a gift to see her out there, just genuinely her.

01:03:29.420 So we can see she is truly somebody with the darkest vision of life, especially marriage

01:03:35.320 and children I've ever seen in a public role.

01:03:38.820 Here's a little bit of you and me trying to get through this thing without losing.

01:03:43.780 Let me think of her other lines.

01:03:49.620 We don't articulate our pain.

01:03:52.280 Yes.

01:03:52.760 Nobody ever asks us about ourselves.

01:03:55.560 We have to ask ourselves, the men in our lives is why wait to be asked.

01:04:02.760 That's amazing.

01:04:04.440 Why do I always have to be the one to explain how angry I am?

01:04:14.420 People ask me all the time, do you miss the White House?

01:04:18.260 Uh, no.

01:04:21.620 Do you ever have dreams that you still live there?

01:04:23.600 Oh, no.

01:04:24.740 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:04:26.420 Let's see.

01:04:27.080 What else?

01:04:28.100 What other favorites do we have?

01:04:30.160 In long-term relationships, you're going to, you're going to have deep, deep dips.

01:04:34.500 We're talking decades now of bad marriage.

01:04:37.640 You're going to have a bad decade.

01:04:38.880 My life became about someone else.

01:04:41.980 I mean, I've been married to my husband for 30 plus years.

01:04:45.500 What is marriage?

01:04:46.540 What does it mean?

01:04:47.380 It's about misery.

01:04:48.760 People don't think about that as they date because they're trying to find the match that

01:04:54.200 where all those 30 years are going to be blissful.

01:04:57.220 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:04:57.920 And it's like, that's just not going to happen.

01:05:00.340 All you get is nothing, emptiness.

01:05:06.840 We all want to know, what can we do to help you?

01:05:10.920 How can we help you all?

01:05:13.680 Do something.

01:05:17.900 This ridiculous person.

01:05:20.000 Maureen, for the listening audience, Maureen is wearing a white, I mean, a pink Obama 0.74

01:05:28.980 hat and a pink t-shirt that reads hope in a skit.

01:05:33.060 I think the hat read Obama 28, 2028.

01:05:37.360 Like Jake was the one who sourced that stuff.

01:05:39.240 Um, the other thing that, um, I don't think made final cut, but, um, brother Craig getting

01:05:47.120 yelled at for daring to ask how he could help, right?

01:05:50.460 Because he should know already.

01:05:52.520 That's right.

01:05:53.240 So brother Craig can't win.

01:05:55.560 And by the way, brother Craig does all the ad reads.

01:05:58.100 It's like Megan Markle's podcast, Megan, where like Megan, you can tell on her second

01:06:03.580 now failed podcast, which allegedly has not been renewed.

01:06:06.660 She says she's stepping away, but you could tell some of these.

01:06:09.240 Ad reads were written for her.

01:06:11.160 They, they go, they, they have the pronoun I in them and they go towards her interest.

01:06:15.900 And she clearly demanded that a voice actress be hired to do those ad reads because Megan 1.00

01:06:21.100 Markle will not, she will sell jam.

01:06:22.960 She will sell edible floor, flower arrangements, whatever, but she will not read an ad on her

01:06:29.860 own podcast, nor will Michelle Obama, because it looks like brother Craig is doing the heavy

01:06:35.000 emotional lift, which I suspect has been his defensive crouch his entire life.

01:06:40.820 A lot has been a lot.

01:06:42.660 Um, she's still at it that just this week, she's on her podcast offering, well, here's

01:06:47.160 this ditty in SOT 14.

01:06:49.320 There, there will be parental pain.

01:06:51.920 We have to become tougher for the sake of our kids.

01:06:55.820 Um, and I, I just don't think that there's any way around making this easy for parents.

01:07:01.780 And I think that that's what we.

01:07:03.240 Parenting is never easy.

01:07:04.320 It's not supposed to be, it's not fun.

01:07:07.320 You know, life, life isn't fair.

01:07:08.560 And that's another lesson for kids to learn.

01:07:10.980 That's right.

01:07:12.420 It's not fun.

01:07:13.360 It's painful having children.

01:07:15.080 It's not fun.

01:07:16.980 And she wonders why, as she told Amy Poehler, her daughters run the other way when she opens

01:07:24.480 her mouth to offer what is surely unsolicited advice.

01:07:27.940 And she's sitting there going, I'm Michelle Obama.

01:07:31.840 People pay for my advice.

01:07:33.640 I mean, you can see she's rarely photographed with those girls.

01:07:37.200 Like imagine your true mother going on any podcast that will have her to say what a chore 0.74

01:07:45.540 and a burden it was to bring you into the world and raise you like in all seriousness

01:07:52.900 too.

01:07:53.220 Like she's actually wants us to know that she's, she's serious.

01:07:56.360 They're, they're a hassle.

01:07:58.280 She says the years of one through 13 will be bad.

01:08:02.200 That that's just not true.

01:08:04.260 It's so funny.

01:08:05.080 Like I look back on my own experience with my kids.

01:08:07.300 Yeah.

01:08:07.500 It's hard when they're very little.

01:08:09.080 It's a lot more hard work than, you know, now my kids are 15, 14 and almost 12, but it's

01:08:16.100 still fun.

01:08:16.720 They're so cute.

01:08:17.380 I don't know a mother who would look back at years one through 13 and say, it's going

01:08:22.940 to be bad, bad.

01:08:24.620 Those 13 years, they're bad.

01:08:27.360 The kids are a hassle.

01:08:28.840 And then doubles down here saying parenting is not fun.

01:08:31.700 It's painful.

01:08:32.520 What the fuck?

01:08:33.520 You know, this is, this is amazing because I've been plotting for a long time now, and

01:08:38.340 I think it's going to be a recurring segment, um, uh, pieces on difficult mothers.

01:08:42.940 And I think Michelle Obama is her own form of difficult mother. 0.95

01:08:48.280 Imagine she was in the white house with her own mother there to help with raising the girls. 0.98

01:08:53.680 Now, when she was there, the line out of the white house was Michelle's only focus is

01:08:57.880 the girls and making sure the girls get through it with a normal, as normal a childhood as

01:09:03.180 possible.

01:09:03.620 And you can only imagine the level of help and staff she had, not to mention the secret

01:09:08.160 service.

01:09:09.260 Like there was no school run.

01:09:10.740 Michelle Obama had to do. 0.98

01:09:12.180 There were no afterschool activities.

01:09:14.040 She had to be present for, I'm sure.

01:09:16.280 No meals to prepare.

01:09:17.140 I'm sure.

01:09:17.580 You know, what did this woman have to do vis-a-vis the actual care and feeding of her 1.00

01:09:22.780 children in the white house?

01:09:24.600 Nothing.

01:09:25.020 She had Jenna Lyons on speed dial, making bespoke J crew outfits for every, like, what

01:09:30.860 is she talking about?

01:09:32.780 Right.

01:09:33.380 Well, how is it so hard?

01:09:34.740 She's like, honestly, it's like, plus it's so clueless, right?

01:09:37.900 It's like, there are women out there right now who are working two jobs, who are single 0.93

01:09:41.980 moms trying to keep their kids in school, trying to deal with the disastrous consequences 0.86

01:09:46.500 of policies that her husband helped push and enact.

01:09:49.060 And they don't complain.

01:09:51.040 Not, not one eighth as much as Michelle Obama with her hundreds of millions, multiple estates,

01:09:57.380 beloved status, becoming status as former first lady on the cover of Vogue three times. 0.95

01:10:03.200 Like she has no idea how she sounds to regular people.

01:10:07.760 Here's another one here.

01:10:09.640 Poor Michelle. 1.00

01:10:10.880 Her life has been all about other people, Maureen.

01:10:13.480 See, she could have been the star.

01:10:15.340 And because of that effort, she wasn't.

01:10:17.720 Here's thought 17.

01:10:18.460 I don't know if my ambition has ever fully been able to actualize itself because of the

01:10:32.480 nature of what me and my husband have done.

01:10:38.060 I mean, you know, I guess you could, as a team, you know.

01:10:42.600 It wasn't about your individual ambition.

01:10:44.320 It wasn't, right.

01:10:45.040 It was the team ambition.

01:10:47.600 And I went along arguably kicking and screaming, right?

01:10:53.320 And, you know, I think I'm now at a stage in my life where all my choices are mine.

01:11:01.420 All my, you know, now I can say that whatever I'm doing from this point on is about my ambition.

01:11:08.200 Oh, my God.

01:11:10.980 Tiniest violin, Maureen.

01:11:13.420 I have so many thoughts about this.

01:11:15.480 First of all, I think.

01:11:16.400 Let's hear them all.

01:11:18.740 The level, you know how they say rage and depression, they're two sides of the same coin.

01:11:24.620 Depression and anger.

01:11:25.540 Like depression is suppressed anger, you know.

01:11:28.340 Yeah.

01:11:28.580 I think the level of rage that she has suppressed throughout that tenure in the White House and the time thereafter is like it's a Vesuvian level of eruption we're looking at.

01:11:39.580 It's a Mount Vesuvius of rage that is coming out of Michelle Obama.

01:11:43.640 She says, first of all, can I also just say my favorite first lady, Jackie Kennedy, saw her husband's brains get blown out next to her.

01:11:54.060 If anybody had rage that was understandable to be expressed in the public square, it would have been Jackie Kennedy who went about the rest of her life minding her own business. 0.96

01:12:04.840 Okay.

01:12:05.320 Yes.

01:12:05.920 Secondly, you know, so she says, I'm dragged kicking and screaming to the White House.

01:12:10.640 As said, we've discussed this before, if this woman, when she met Barack Obama, didn't see his ambition coming at her like a freight train, he did not hide his ambition, nor did the power brokers in Chicago who quickly Velcroed themselves to him and were like, this guy's going to the White House and we're getting him there.

01:12:27.880 Okay.

01:12:28.020 So you can't be dumb and smart at the same time.

01:12:30.560 She can't have no idea who this guy is and suddenly find herself in the White House.

01:12:33.600 But she's so smart, she should go on every podcast and get book deals and Netflix deals to speak to all of us about how we should live our lives, even though she has no idea what she's doing, as she just said.

01:12:44.560 And I'll just lastly close with, and I'm only mentioning this because she is forcing it.

01:12:48.980 She is forcing it.

01:12:50.340 I think she is clearly on Ozempic.

01:12:51.880 I think the weight loss has accelerated to a degree that maybe she cannot even control.

01:12:57.140 And the misery is now showing on her face.

01:13:00.120 She is a manifest.

01:13:02.140 Yes, get a burger and a beer.

01:13:04.040 Jesus, it's summer.

01:13:05.140 She is manifesting complete uncontrolled loss.

01:13:09.320 That's what I think is happening.

01:13:10.860 Just my hot take.

01:13:12.680 Can I tell you something?

01:13:13.620 I hadn't noticed the weight loss, to be honest.

01:13:16.220 But I think we're all going to be on Ozempic soon in my family because two out of my three children are working at Busboys at an ice cream joint.

01:13:24.840 And I'm there every night now.

01:13:26.680 I'm literally there every night.

01:13:27.960 Wow.

01:13:28.420 Just to show support, you know.

01:13:30.100 But I'm 54 and I cannot have the ice cream every night the way the children can with impunity.

01:13:36.420 So, you know, don't knock it.

01:13:37.940 Um, so I have a theory about people like Michelle Obama and like the ones who are constantly talking about how hard everything is and how like, you know, remember she, she's, she's clapped back at Sheryl Sandberg's lean in, you know, and there was plenty to criticize with Sheryl Sandberg's lean in.

01:13:55.600 But like Michelle Obama at that time was like, you know, that doesn't always work.

01:13:59.080 And she wasn't talking about for working class people.

01:14:01.060 She was talking about for black people.

01:14:02.400 She had to play the race card when she was first lady that, you know, you can't just get what you want if you go after it. 0.99

01:14:06.920 This is just, she's always been this way.

01:14:08.900 And what I have learned, and this was in part, thanks to some of my own journey.

01:14:13.460 And I mentioned the reference to the NBC stint.

01:14:16.380 People who are constantly talking about like self-help and like depression and how hard things are and how to get through them are very depressed.

01:14:28.020 And they are probably not people you should be listening to as your teacher.

01:14:32.000 If you are feeling depressed or sad or listless or non-directional, those actually are not your teachers.

01:14:39.140 What you need is like a Judge Judy, you know, you need a Maureen Callahan or dare I say an MK. 1.00

01:14:46.260 You need somebody who's living a great life, getting after it, putting points on the board and not spending too much of their time.

01:14:53.340 You need somebody navel gazing into how I don't have a tail. 1.00

01:14:59.280 It's really sad, right?

01:15:01.420 Like that's her.

01:15:02.700 She's an Eeyore.

01:15:03.980 And it is, I think, her depression.

01:15:06.120 And she is not somebody we should be seeking guidance or enlightenment from at all.

01:15:11.920 No, I mean, my personal rule expressed often on my show is if you see someone with a Buddha in their front yard, run.

01:15:20.840 It's always the people who are like.

01:15:22.880 Your stuff about Hoda is on point.

01:15:25.240 I can speak to that personally.

01:15:26.660 Thank you.

01:15:27.720 Hoda, Maria Shriver, Oprah, who has just become a robot, a shell of herself.

01:15:33.780 Gayle King.

01:15:34.520 These women, they all speak in these generalities, in these very vague platitudes about I'm at my, I'm, Megan, if I said to you, you know what, Megan, I am my most authentic self.

01:15:48.280 And I am on this journey that has led me to a place where I just live in joy.

01:15:54.600 I mean, I would hope you would take me for an MRI, you know, like, what does that sound like?

01:16:00.060 Like, it actually sounds like a fully directional person, like an undirectional person, right?

01:16:06.100 A directionless person, as you just said.

01:16:07.800 Like, I don't know what, I should understand what you're talking about in five words or less, right?

01:16:12.540 Yes, yes.

01:16:13.800 No, it's, and that's how they were.

01:16:16.820 I mean, I've told this story before, but one day I went to NBC and we had to do a roundtable discussion on happiness.

01:16:22.220 It was like me, Hoda, Savannah, Jenna.

01:16:24.740 I mean, it was like the whole brain trust.

01:16:25.980 And the question was like, on a scale of one to 10, what's your average happiness level?

01:16:32.460 Like, how happy are you generally day to day?

01:16:35.000 And I was like, I don't know, like six, six and a half.

01:16:40.120 And they were like, what?

01:16:41.440 They're all looking, they're like, I'm a 10, 10, 10, 10.

01:16:44.520 I'm like, you fucking liars.

01:16:46.420 This is such bullshit.

01:16:48.160 Who's running around every day?

01:16:49.460 Like, I'm a 10.

01:16:50.560 I mean, I can hit 10, but I'm like 10, 10 happiness every day.

01:16:55.900 I call bullshit.

01:16:56.920 And P.S.

01:16:58.080 If that were true, then we wouldn't be Hoda, seeing Hoda with her stupid making space app,

01:17:03.800 trying to work on everyone else's happiness because it's such a dark, dark world.

01:17:07.520 You need Hoda to see you through.

01:17:10.060 Let alone people on morning television.

01:17:12.300 OK, so the morning television cesspool, I adore this.

01:17:15.760 I this is a frequent target.

01:17:17.340 So the other day, the Today Show, you know, it's like Craig Melvoin, who just like they

01:17:22.960 slotted him in, you know, Melvin, excuse me, it's terrible.

01:17:27.820 And then he's got these two Dylan Dreyer, who's like a very generic cookie cutter.

01:17:31.740 And then a third one, I can't remember.

01:17:33.540 But anyway, they were supposed to be doing a segment like they had just come back from

01:17:36.560 Alaska.

01:17:37.040 They were doing a segment about what great friends they are.

01:17:39.640 And they brought Craig back something from the airport gift shop.

01:17:42.820 And Craig, they start talking about how when they travel for work as NBC colleagues for

01:17:49.040 the Today Show, Craig doesn't want to talk to any of them.

01:17:51.960 He makes it very clear.

01:17:53.120 He puts on the headphones, he puts on the sleep mask, and he's like, don't sit next to me.

01:17:57.700 And they started talking about how none of them can actually stand each other off the

01:18:03.220 air while they're smiling through it to the point where Al Roker says, you guys realize

01:18:06.980 we're on the air, correct?

01:18:08.380 So I love it.

01:18:10.600 Keep giving me all of the advice, all of the pro tips for living my best, most self-actualized

01:18:17.960 life in through morning television, where typically the pro tip is like, oh my God, Chris McMillan

01:18:24.320 the other day, Jen Aniston's hairstylist was cutting Jenna into a bob. 1.00

01:18:27.520 I heard you talk about this.

01:18:29.520 What do you say to the average woman out there who wants to go get her hair changed up? 1.00

01:18:34.480 And he goes, well, you know what you should do?

01:18:36.220 You should find a picture of a celebrity and you should put it on your phone and then you

01:18:42.640 should bring it to your hairstylist.

01:18:44.920 Wait, wait, hold on.

01:18:46.000 Stand by writing, writing this down.

01:18:49.320 Picture, phone.

01:18:51.440 Okay.

01:18:51.920 Got it.

01:18:52.600 Thank you.

01:18:53.180 This is, I'm so glad I tuned in.

01:18:54.840 It's such a problem.

01:18:57.440 Right.

01:18:57.900 What would you have done otherwise?

01:18:59.480 You know, these are the pro tips that they're really, yeah.

01:19:01.580 And then you pointed out and you're on the nerve that there's somebody off camera when

01:19:06.600 Jenna, I guess she's getting her hair at the, at the time, cut into a bob saying like, you're

01:19:10.440 so brave.

01:19:11.540 You're so brave.

01:19:12.880 She's, she stormed the beach at Normandy now because she had some inches taken off her 1.00

01:19:16.900 hair.

01:19:18.000 She's such a badass. 1.00

01:19:19.860 Like she's a regular Johnny Cash getting a bob. 0.91

01:19:22.360 It was Leslie Bibb.

01:19:23.560 I don't know if you guys watched a season three of the white Lotus, but it's one of

01:19:27.400 those.

01:19:28.400 Okay.

01:19:29.440 Yeah.

01:19:29.760 I did watch season three, which one of those three women who were so nasty to each other 1.00

01:19:33.700 and those three.

01:19:34.460 Mm-hmm.

01:19:35.020 Okay.

01:19:35.360 That was another, that was another conservative Texan.

01:19:38.920 Oh yeah.

01:19:39.660 Oh God.

01:19:40.200 Okay.

01:19:41.080 Um, yeah.

01:19:41.520 You mentioned two people who are a good segue into our next topic, Oprah and Gail, Oprah 0.95

01:19:48.720 and Gail this weekend are in Venice watching their dear, dear lifelong friends, Jeff Bezos

01:19:56.480 and Lauren Sanchez get married because that's what you do when you are Jeff Bezos and Lauren

01:20:03.280 Sanchez, you invite only your close.

01:20:05.360 I mean, you're literally one of the richest men in the world worth $250 billion.

01:20:10.280 So you'd make sure that you only invite the people who love you for you.

01:20:15.120 You know, the people who were there before you built Amazon, you know, you know,

01:20:18.700 like Gail, like, like Tom Brady, like, um, all of the Kardashians who are there, uh, like

01:20:26.100 Orlando Bloom is super tight.

01:20:28.380 Literally two out of the six space morons have been invited, right?

01:20:33.820 It's like Lauren Sanchez is one, but they invited Gail and they invited Katie Perry, who's 0.55

01:20:38.580 not going.

01:20:39.780 Um, this is exactly what Megan and Harry did.

01:20:42.520 The bigger your name, the more likely you were to get an invite because what matters to

01:20:47.340 them is that it's a star studded event, not that they have dear friends who love them

01:20:55.380 standing up for them when they take a sacred vow.

01:20:59.460 Yeah.

01:21:00.120 I, and I think there are only 200 guests.

01:21:02.620 It's a, it's a, for, for people this wealthy and famous and powerful.

01:21:06.140 Yeah.

01:21:06.740 So it's a small guest list.

01:21:08.080 And it reminded me, it's so funny.

01:21:09.520 You said Harry and Megan, because I've never respected Reese Witherspoon more because she

01:21:14.020 was allegedly invited to the Harry and Megan wedding.

01:21:17.100 And she did decline the invite saying, I don't know them.

01:21:22.480 And I thought that was so amazing because like, I think there might be a part of me that

01:21:26.880 would be like, I want to see the spectacle.

01:21:28.340 I wonder what it would be like to like have a front row or back row seat, whatever to it.

01:21:33.260 But, you know, it was Oprah at the wedding and it's also this kind of like, just like

01:21:37.140 when I saw Tom Brady disembarking and Scooter Braun and a Kardashian, like all, like I think 1.00

01:21:43.740 Diddy's losing his mind at MDC right now.

01:21:45.940 Jared and Ivanka are going.

01:21:48.220 That's like, these are his people oiled up Kardashians in cat suits, exiting water taxis

01:21:54.640 and obscene foam parties thrown on private yachts.

01:21:59.520 I, to me, just my opinion, it feels very freak off adjacent.

01:22:03.340 It feels very decadent.

01:22:05.020 I wonder how much of this stuff is taking place on open water to get around other countries

01:22:09.220 laws, you know?

01:22:12.420 I just, it feels like a freak show and it just feels very, just like it's aggressively

01:22:21.800 an F you to the rest of us who are just grinding it out day to day.

01:22:27.640 I mean, it is like bouncing around with her pneumatic boobs and like, they're like, it's 0.99

01:22:35.160 just disgusting.

01:22:36.020 It's, and you know, Oprah and Gail, I think I have a theory.

01:22:39.920 I just think Oprah's around too many dark people. 1.00

01:22:42.740 I just think she is.

01:22:44.280 And I, I don't think, I don't, I think she's really soiling her legacy. 0.91

01:22:48.080 And then how does Gail King go back to CBS mornings and her job and pretend that she's 1.00

01:22:54.100 anything approaching a journalist running around with people like this?

01:22:57.640 No, it's ridiculous.

01:22:58.580 And can I tell you something?

01:22:59.520 So I, all I can think of, maybe it's just me.

01:23:02.440 Cause I'm, you know, really a regular person.

01:23:05.060 Um, when I watch all that foam on that yacht, I'm thinking, imagine like, I'd be worried

01:23:10.000 that my fancy yacht was going to get stained by weird chemicals that came from the foam

01:23:14.500 who like, this is so excessive.

01:23:17.380 You have an enormous yacht.

01:23:19.180 Your yacht has a yacht to hold all of your toys.

01:23:21.660 And also I'm told Lauren Sanchez is weird girl pals who he doesn't want on the main

01:23:27.000 yacht.

01:23:27.920 And then on top of that, you risk spoiling your yacht with a bunch of foam that I went

01:23:33.360 to a party one time years ago where they had foam in their huge swimming pool outdoors,

01:23:37.220 by the way, in Texas.

01:23:38.600 And it was super fun.

01:23:40.120 That didn't pose any risk.

01:23:41.300 We were outdoors.

01:23:42.100 It was a big actual outdoor swimming pool.

01:23:43.880 This is on a yacht.

01:23:45.360 I just feel like the excessiveness of it is meant it's the same thing as like fanning

01:23:50.220 out your money and with a middle finger in front of it for the paparazzi.

01:23:55.400 They, and us is that's who it is.

01:23:57.000 Cause they call the paparazzi that I am a hundred percent convinced.

01:24:00.300 I was just telling Paul, Paul Murray, when I did his show on sky news, I was just on a

01:24:05.400 boat for a week in Greece.

01:24:08.240 You know why I didn't get photographed on the boat in Greece?

01:24:13.580 Because I didn't go call the paparazzi and say, Hey, I'm on a boat in Greece.

01:24:18.380 Come take my picture.

01:24:19.540 There is a reason these two always happen to get shot while on their yacht.

01:24:23.840 Same with JLo.

01:24:24.720 Have you ever missed a JLo appearance on a yacht?

01:24:27.200 Never.

01:24:27.920 We just happened to see him smacking her ass. 1.00

01:24:30.100 We just happened to see the foam party.

01:24:31.860 So they want us to be looking at this Maureen, which is a real middle finger with the money 0.98

01:24:37.200 splayed out Marie Antoinette moment.

01:24:40.400 Well, later I want to hear all about your Greece trip via boat, but the thing that, so

01:24:46.240 I also believe that this is, I columned on it for the mail the other day and I called it

01:24:51.060 Jeff Bezos's big fat incel wedding, because I think so much of this has always been ever

01:24:56.840 since he split with Mackenzie Scott and you know, his relationship, his extramarital relationship

01:25:02.080 with Lauren came to light.

01:25:03.700 They've both undergone significant physical transformations.

01:25:07.180 Her face has become a sea of injectables, a repository for injectables, as have apparently

01:25:14.120 her breasts and her butt. 0.81

01:25:17.360 Jeff has transformed himself into some sort of very taut, muscular, bald, glowing personage

01:25:26.100 that to me resembles a walking penis. 0.76

01:25:29.340 The foam party feels very frat boy to me.

01:25:32.940 It's like, look at me.

01:25:34.520 Like the, the, the foam coming out is like in a, a huge ejaculation of like, look at my

01:25:40.400 sexual prowess.

01:25:41.520 I am a hot guy.

01:25:43.240 And this one I'm marrying, I'm actually having sex with her. 1.00

01:25:46.480 Can you guys believe this?

01:25:48.360 Can you believe it?

01:25:50.160 It's so true. 0.84

01:25:51.340 He has, he does.

01:25:52.600 I'm sorry.

01:25:53.140 He does look like a walking penis.

01:25:54.760 We showed this.

01:25:56.300 I don't know if this is the before and after, but look at this.

01:25:57.860 This is the before and after.

01:25:59.480 This is what Jeff Bezos actually looks like on the left.

01:26:03.380 And then here he is over on the right post, whatever he's doing.

01:26:07.320 Maybe it's just hitting the gym in the same way.

01:26:10.420 Jennifer Aniston is just drinking a lot of water. 0.91

01:26:13.940 But I'd venture to say some other things have happened there to make him look like that.

01:26:17.820 But you're right that he's like so bald and his head is so round.

01:26:20.580 He does look a little too taut and it does give penis vibes.

01:26:24.340 I'm not going to lie.

01:26:24.940 It's not a good look for him.

01:26:25.860 And I don't know what she's doing because she, unlike him, she was more beautiful before.

01:26:31.300 Like she was actually very pretty when she was just normal.

01:26:35.160 And now, I mean, she, she's my age.

01:26:37.960 I don't know what she's done.

01:26:39.940 All I can say is I think plastic surgery is addictive for some people.

01:26:44.140 And they think they've got to keep one upping.

01:26:46.960 They have one thing done and they get compliments on it.

01:26:49.100 And then they're like, oh, I have to have 10 other things.

01:26:51.340 And then like when that procedure starts to wane, like the, the filler starts to like dissolve

01:26:57.480 or whatever it does.

01:26:58.640 They're like, I need more, more, more.

01:27:00.640 And if, if a little was good, more must be good.

01:27:02.660 And now she's made her face look like deformed. 0.99

01:27:06.240 It's sad.

01:27:06.880 I also wonder how much of what she looks like now is Jeff's dictates.

01:27:12.400 Like, this is what you're going to look like.

01:27:14.360 You know, we saw it with Diddy, you know, the testimony.

01:27:17.440 And it was in Cassie's original complaint where he made her go get breast implants.

01:27:22.000 And she came out of that surgery and he was like, I don't like the way these look.

01:27:25.860 And he took her back to that doctor and said, remove them and put new ones in. 1.00

01:27:29.500 And there's, you know, that's a horror story.

01:27:31.080 But I feel as though this, this entire thing is such a farce.

01:27:35.620 Number one, not least because we just learned they got married a month ago.

01:27:38.820 They've been legally married for a month.

01:27:40.880 Okay.

01:27:41.100 So this is just a big F you look at how much money we have, the people we can buy.

01:27:47.220 We can buy the city of Venice, which the, the residents, the Venetians do not want them 0.55

01:27:52.340 there.

01:27:52.700 But I also think that Lauren Sanchez, we talk about this all the time.

01:27:57.540 The more someone protests to the contrary, the more likely the opposite is to be true.

01:28:03.020 Lauren Sanchez living her best life.

01:28:04.540 I don't think so.

01:28:05.420 I think she's paying a very, very, very high price to be the next Mrs. Jeff Bezos. 0.99

01:28:11.760 And I think she has to look the way he wants.

01:28:14.340 I think she has to look like a sex doll. 1.00

01:28:16.320 I think it was his idea.

01:28:17.820 This is just my opinion.

01:28:18.840 For her to go to the Trump inauguration in a low cut cleavage bearing tuxedo jacket to 1.00

01:28:25.680 have Mark Zuckerberg, another in-selling tech guy, openly ogle her, you know, and be shot

01:28:32.900 by count.

01:28:33.300 This is humiliation.

01:28:35.220 So let me say something about this.

01:28:36.500 So you're right.

01:28:37.220 And she is starting to look like a blow up doll. 0.96

01:28:38.900 And it's sad too, because we have her before and after.

01:28:41.100 She used to be very pretty. 1.00

01:28:42.520 She was a news anchor. 0.72

01:28:43.300 And she's a helicopter pilot. 0.70

01:28:45.940 Like, she's not a moron.

01:28:48.060 This is, I think her, I don't know if she was married to this guy, but they were together.

01:28:52.300 This is before.

01:28:53.500 Who is it, Steve?

01:28:56.020 Tony.

01:28:56.820 Oh, he's a football player.

01:28:58.180 Tony Gonzalez.

01:28:59.220 Okay.

01:29:00.340 And she's starting to transform.

01:29:01.600 Then she marries the head of CAA, one of the co-heads of CAA, or maybe it was WMG,

01:29:07.600 Patrick Whitesell.

01:29:10.320 And that's when she reportedly had an affair with Jeff Bezos.

01:29:14.760 And we all saw their steamy text messages, which had been leaked.

01:29:18.560 He was still married to Mackenzie.

01:29:20.260 She was married to that Patrick guy.

01:29:22.180 And then she's changed just dramatically since she started up with Bezos.

01:29:26.360 And I can't help but wonder, like, the amount of pressure that she's under, because it seems

01:29:33.480 clear why he's into her, to not put on an extra ounce, to not let what happens to a 55-year-old

01:29:42.260 ass happen, to, like, go yet another size bigger on the breasts, which have, she's steadily 1.00

01:29:48.960 gone upward.

01:29:49.820 I can't imagine living my life like that for the pleasure of somebody.

01:29:54.140 And I guess the inherent deal is, but you get all the money.

01:29:57.200 And it's just, I mean, worth it?

01:29:58.960 No.

01:30:01.000 No.

01:30:01.700 And, you know, just from knowing what I've known just in my research on billionaires,

01:30:06.260 like, I doubt she's his one and only.

01:30:08.700 I doubt it.

01:30:10.580 She's the woman who is his official and who will accompany him to things like state dinners,

01:30:18.440 what have you.

01:30:19.020 But those guys, they're not really built for that kind of a life.

01:30:25.080 And I think even in her choice of friends, again, like, she did have stuff going on.

01:30:30.400 She was a journalist.

01:30:31.400 She was a helicopter pilot. 0.76

01:30:32.880 She came from nothing and made something of herself.

01:30:36.700 But she's in this position now in life, and she has access to the world's finest minds.

01:30:41.400 And she chooses to befriend the likes of Kris Jenner, the Kardashian clan, and Katy Perry.

01:30:48.820 Well, that's actually what I was trying to get to, and I forgot my point.

01:30:52.420 Why does he like her to be showing her ass in public, to be dressed half naked in public, 0.84

01:30:57.680 to show up at the inauguration with her tits hanging out? 1.00

01:31:00.180 Why does he like that?

01:31:01.400 Because I can tell you, in my marriage, which actually is loving and fun and the opposite

01:31:05.700 of miserable, Michelle, my husband does not encourage me to run around showing off my

01:31:12.840 vag or anything else.

01:31:14.840 In fact, I did one racy photo shoot when I turned 40 for GQ.

01:31:20.140 I was pregnant with Yardley at the time, and I was like, what the hell?

01:31:22.740 I guess there'll be a marker in time.

01:31:24.580 And Doug thought he liked the pictures.

01:31:26.480 And he was like, you look great, babe.

01:31:28.420 He's like, I think that that one gets it done.

01:31:30.440 Like, and you know, you've made clear, like, I totally get what you were doing.

01:31:34.620 No problems whatsoever, but like, wouldn't want to make this a habit.

01:31:37.820 And I agreed with him.

01:31:39.240 You know, it's like, why does he want to see the love of his life showing her tits off

01:31:44.440 to President Trump?

01:31:45.860 I mean, it's a legit question.

01:31:48.340 No, I take it very seriously.

01:31:49.920 I think there's a couple of things going on.

01:31:51.560 I think, again, you know, to the sort of idea that this is his teenage incel, this is his

01:31:57.000 teenage dream of a wedding, this is his rage has come to the surface at all of the rejection

01:32:04.620 that he no doubt suffered from women he felt were he was punching above his weight, who

01:32:09.780 he couldn't get with as a teenager in high school, as a kid in college.

01:32:13.540 He knew he was a genius.

01:32:14.840 That was clear, but that wasn't enough to get the hot girl, the fun girl. 0.97

01:32:18.620 So now we have to have Lauren Sanchez spreading her cheeks on his yacht and thrusting them at 1.00

01:32:23.700 the nearest long lens paparazzi photographer so that he can prove his sexual virility while

01:32:29.720 also humiliating her to a degree by making it clear on the world stage that she is an 0.60

01:32:35.520 acquisition and she does what he says. 1.00

01:32:39.700 Just my theory.

01:32:41.100 You're right.

01:32:41.880 We have no idea.

01:32:42.940 We don't know them personally.

01:32:43.940 We're just observing based on their patterns of behavior.

01:32:46.400 But look, to me, there's no way this lasts.

01:32:49.160 I do not think this is a marriage made in heaven.

01:32:51.600 Again, they're the phrase you lose them, how you get them generally applies.

01:32:56.540 And that doesn't bode well for either of them.

01:32:59.320 There was a report in Daily Mail that they they did get married already and that he had

01:33:04.360 her sign a prenup, which I certainly hope he was smart enough to do.

01:33:07.660 I'm sure she's going to get some big settlement even if they do divorce. 1.00

01:33:10.320 But there's just the odds of this lasting extremely slim.

01:33:13.820 I'll say one nice thing since I've said so many non nice things about them.

01:33:17.380 Well, I said some nice things about her.

01:33:18.740 I don't think she's a bad person.

01:33:19.780 And I'd much rather spend an hour with her than with him.

01:33:22.740 Oh, yeah.

01:33:24.220 But I I respect the fact that he chose a woman who's age appropriate.

01:33:30.260 I will say that he's, I think, 62.

01:33:33.040 She's 55. 0.78

01:33:34.240 Like the Leonardo DiCaprio thing with only 25 year old women is very creepy. 1.00

01:33:39.380 Maureen, it freaks me out.

01:33:40.720 I don't understand men who are stuck in that mode.

01:33:43.360 I think it's to his credit that he chose somebody who is age appropriate and is, you know,

01:33:46.900 came up at the same time generally he did.

01:33:49.940 I agree with you.

01:33:51.000 I also feel like we're at such a point in the culture where it's such a low bar where we have

01:33:54.560 to be like, yay, he chose a woman of his own generation.

01:33:57.780 Like, wow.

01:33:59.880 Wow.

01:34:00.500 You know, listen, Megan, I'll be the cynic.

01:34:03.320 I will be the open cynic.

01:34:04.440 I'm telling you, I think there are a couple of 20 year olds stashed away somewhere.

01:34:09.100 Oh, God.

01:34:09.680 Just a theory of the crime.

01:34:10.980 Just a theory.

01:34:12.300 Well, I mean, who am I to disagree?

01:34:13.980 It's but I have to say Doug and I have talked about so many times.

01:34:16.000 So I'm nine months older than Doug.

01:34:18.600 But come August, he will hit my number as he always does.

01:34:22.080 I love August.

01:34:23.260 And but we laugh because it's such a pleasure being married to somebody my age.

01:34:28.520 I have to say, I love it.

01:34:29.860 And Doug loves it, too.

01:34:31.080 Like I live for those sites on Instagram and even some on Twitter that do like 70s runs

01:34:39.140 and Gen X stuff.

01:34:40.480 I love those videos so much because it really does take you back when like the ones that

01:34:45.300 show like whatever those icicles, those sort of icicles and those plastic things that we

01:34:51.040 used to squeeze up, you know, slowly out of the thing Kool-Aid in the Kool-Aid pitcher

01:34:57.020 that had the face on the front of it.

01:34:58.940 You know, the rainbow shirt that the rainbow went from one arm to the other right across

01:35:03.800 your chest.

01:35:04.380 I love all these fun references.

01:35:05.900 And Doug gets all of those references because he was a kid then, too.

01:35:10.740 I can't imagine what it would be like in one of these real May-December romances where

01:35:15.820 you've got like 30 years or 40 years separating you to have to explain every reference.

01:35:22.680 Well, you know, Megan, I mean, Bill Belichick and Jordan, whatever her name is, are here to

01:35:27.660 disabuse us of that, right?

01:35:28.880 I'm sure they're having sparkling conversation every minute of the day.

01:35:33.520 Animal sex too, I'm sure.

01:35:34.580 When she was born.

01:35:35.820 Yeah, exactly.

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01:37:02.700 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show.

01:37:04.580 Maureen Callahan is back with me now.

01:37:07.700 And somebody big is leaving a very big post.

01:37:13.820 This may be a clue to all of you on who I'm talking about.

01:37:17.160 It's SOT28.

01:37:17.840 No, I just, it's just baffling to me.

01:37:21.260 Why is it so impossible to put together a decent run through?

01:37:24.260 You people have had hours and hours to prepare.

01:37:27.340 It's just so confusing to me.

01:37:29.440 Where are the advertisers?

01:37:31.520 We have some pieces from Banana Republic.

01:37:33.360 Well, we need more, don't we?

01:37:34.580 Oh, this is, what do you think?

01:37:38.520 Yeah.

01:37:39.340 Well, you know me.

01:37:40.320 Give me a full ballerina skirt and a hint of saloon and I'm on board. 0.53

01:37:43.340 Mmm, but do you think it's too much like...

01:37:45.480 Like a Lacroix from July?

01:37:47.020 I thought that, but no, not with the right accessories.

01:37:49.440 It should work.

01:37:50.160 Where are the belts for this dress?

01:37:52.560 Why is no one ready?

01:37:54.900 Here.

01:37:56.000 It's a tough call.

01:37:58.260 They're so different.

01:37:59.940 Mmm.

01:38:06.240 Something funny?

01:38:07.080 No.

01:38:12.140 No, no, no, nothing's, you know, it's just the, both those belts look exactly the same to me.

01:38:18.440 You know, I'm still learning about this stuff and, uh...

01:38:22.720 This stuff?

01:38:26.380 Yes.

01:38:26.780 I speak, of course, of Anna Wintour, brilliantly portrayed there by Meryl Streep in The Devil

01:38:33.100 Wears Prada, which was a great movie, and, uh, I can love Meryl's portrayal of Anna Wintour

01:38:40.200 while completely loathing the original myself, and that's pretty much where I land.

01:38:45.320 Um, she's stepping down as editor-in-chief of Vogue after some, I don't know, she's been

01:38:49.380 doing it for, I think, 200 years, and, um, staying in control, Maureen, of Condé Nast

01:38:54.940 and all of its publications, I forgot that Wired was one of them.

01:38:59.400 That explains how insane Wired went on the Imaine Khalif coverage.

01:39:04.980 It's like, why is this tech magazine going off trying to tell me that this man is a woman

01:39:10.840 in the international boxing arena?

01:39:13.420 And now I remember that it's because it's a Condé Nast publication, and she runs it effectively,

01:39:18.900 she's on the top of it, among many other publications from Vanity Fair to Vogue and beyond.

01:39:23.540 But stepping down as editor-in-chief of Vogue is big, and, uh, I, for one, am really hoping

01:39:28.580 this is the first step out of the public eye altogether.

01:39:31.000 You?

01:39:33.180 I'm shocked by this news.

01:39:35.500 I, I did not, I thought, I literally thought not to be crass, like, she, they would, she

01:39:42.080 would leave Vogue feet first, you know?

01:39:44.380 They would, she would die at that desk. 0.56

01:39:46.040 She wasn't going anywhere.

01:39:47.720 It is, and has been her life being at Vogue, and I am sure she was pushed out.

01:39:53.940 This is just my theory of the case.

01:39:56.480 But she, this marks her 37th year as editor-in-chief or marked.

01:40:01.660 You know, it's not a nice round number.

01:40:03.880 It's not 35.

01:40:04.980 It's not 40.

01:40:06.200 It's not, Anna's going to go at 75, which she is now.

01:40:09.680 She's age 75.

01:40:11.560 She, um, installed, according to Page Six, their exclusive report unilaterally went behind 0.98

01:40:17.760 the back of Conde CEO Roger Lynch and installed a know-nothing friend of her daughter's to run

01:40:25.420 Vanity Fair after she ran it into the ground after Graydon left.

01:40:29.940 You know, that was the last great gasp of a general interest magazine in America.

01:40:33.860 That was, that was a once great publication, and she installed Radhika Jones, this humorless,

01:40:40.240 I think, not very talented editor who made it woke and boring.

01:40:46.300 And, you know, I just, I love this for her, because if she was, in fact, pushed out,

01:40:51.960 the level of cruelty and sadism she has dished out, lo, these many years,

01:40:56.480 now she's going to find herself pretty much alone with her thoughts and her back issues of Vogue.

01:41:02.420 Right, right, because it's like, what do you, we're going to continue this discussion,

01:41:06.840 uh, SiriusXMers over on pod and youtube.com slash Megan Kelly, because we can't say goodbye

01:41:10.920 to Maureen yet.

01:41:11.480 There's a lot to go over still.

01:41:12.820 Um, by the way, update for you on the Diddy trial coming too, as it breaks here.

01:41:16.080 Uh, but the, the person who wrote the book that led to the movie Devil Wears Prada was,

01:41:22.980 in fact, an assistant to Anna Wintour for some time.

01:41:26.560 I think she was like the second assistant. 0.99

01:41:28.220 And she wrote about how, as portrayed in the movie, she had her first assistant.

01:41:32.680 That was the only one really allowed to talk to her.

01:41:34.920 And then she had a second and a third to do more menial tasks. 1.00

01:41:38.100 And she would refer to the second and possibly the third by the first assistant's name.

01:41:43.060 She couldn't be bothered to have more than one name for her assistants. 1.00

01:41:47.440 And, um, there were strict rules about like talking to her, strict rules about exactly

01:41:52.980 what it needed to be waiting for her when she got to the office.

01:41:55.140 And, you know, God helped the young assistant who didn't live up to these rules. 1.00

01:41:58.740 And I do wonder in the post Me Too era, which captured not only sex predators, but bullies,

01:42:04.900 she was left standing.

01:42:06.140 So, yes, uh, two or three assistants calling the assistants the wrong name.

01:42:10.740 Uh, the assistant said she was told never to leave her desk, even to go to the bathroom.

01:42:15.740 If the other assistant wasn't there, God forbid Anna come out of her office and not have somebody 1.00

01:42:20.700 to abuse, um, that they, you know, they dropped off the book for her at her home, just as portrayed

01:42:27.960 in the movie, which is the draft markup of Vogue.

01:42:30.280 Um, it would be delivered in a monogrammed L.L. Bean canvas tote with navy handles along

01:42:36.240 with her burgundy crocodile design, crocodile designer planner. 0.52

01:42:41.300 Uh, she would come to the office and every day have a whole milk latte and a blueberry muffin 1.00

01:42:46.080 from Starbucks.

01:42:47.140 Zero evidence of that is shown on the woman's figure, which she, she looks like a stick figure. 0.99

01:42:52.120 And then she would every day, every day have the same thing for lunch, a rare steak and mashed

01:42:57.160 potatoes of which she would take only a few bites and then say, take my plate. 0.92

01:43:03.380 I'm done.

01:43:04.920 So in any event, that's just her weird piccadillos on the way she lives her life. 1.00

01:43:09.440 What amazes me though, is how she was not brought down as the bully that she clearly is.

01:43:14.400 When we decided around 2018, we weren't going to allow that.

01:43:17.340 How did Ellen DeGeneres get bounced and Anna Wintour remained? 1.00

01:43:21.340 Such a great question.

01:43:22.560 Remember her covering her ass in the wake of Black Lives Matter, you know, and people 0.64

01:43:27.720 were training their sights on Vogue?

01:43:31.240 At this year's Met Gala?

01:43:32.000 At this year's Met Gala.

01:43:32.840 Right.

01:43:33.460 The Craven, like we're doing, like the woman who was Naomi Campbell, the first black supermodel

01:43:40.140 or model she put on the cover under her tenure.

01:43:42.560 It took forever.

01:43:43.840 How many black designers did this woman champion? 1.00

01:43:46.920 How many black people in the fashion industry?

01:43:49.280 And by the way, you going back through all that Devil Wears Prada amazing detail, I remember

01:43:55.240 when that book came out, when they were like leaking the book and the details and like,

01:43:59.660 it was so fantastic.

01:44:01.260 It was so unbelievable.

01:44:02.720 People were like, this has to be fiction.

01:44:04.740 This woman has to be embellishing. 1.00

01:44:06.520 It can't, it can't be that bad.

01:44:08.320 It's Vogue.

01:44:09.240 It's not the United, it's not SEAL Team 6, you know, that she's training over there.

01:44:14.080 And it turned out to be that bad.

01:44:16.060 But yeah, for someone else with your questions.

01:44:19.260 I love that line from the movie.

01:44:21.360 Like, give me the skirt. 1.00

01:44:23.520 Yes.

01:44:24.040 And I loved now that we're actresses, we can discuss this on a deeper level than maybe

01:44:28.560 we would have before.

01:44:29.820 But Meryl Streep's choice to be terrifying by lowering her voice to a near whisper at all 1.00

01:44:36.260 times.

01:44:36.460 It's like the madder she was, the lower and quieter the voice got.

01:44:41.440 That was like, that was brilliant.

01:44:42.860 Really.

01:44:43.060 Truly scary.

01:44:44.280 And I love the line in that movie where Stanley Tucci is standing next to the Andy character,

01:44:49.560 the young assistant.

01:44:51.260 And he goes, did someone have an onion bagel?

01:44:55.540 She's like, you're not even allowed to eat like that around the core. 0.79

01:45:03.760 Listen, I did get to meet her and spend some time with her, Anna Wintour, back in the days

01:45:07.660 when they thought I was a secret Democrat housed up in the evil Fox News, just looking to

01:45:11.780 take down people like Trump.

01:45:13.500 And she was an intimidating personality who really thought, you know, her, you know what

01:45:18.560 didn't stink.

01:45:19.200 I mean, she's really, really in love with her own opinion and look.

01:45:24.300 Meanwhile, she's like, she's offering me like these fashion tips.

01:45:27.480 I'm like, what makes you think I want your fashion tips?

01:45:29.780 I just want your editor of Vogue.

01:45:31.640 I don't give a shit what you think about it.

01:45:33.320 How do you, how are you supposed to dress as a litigator?

01:45:36.400 Like you would know anything or like a journalist who needs credibility, but actually needs people

01:45:40.560 to stop when they're channel surfing.

01:45:42.560 That's why they put the ladies of Fox News in bright neon colors. 1.00

01:45:45.200 It's not because they have an obsession with them.

01:45:47.580 Yeah.

01:45:47.880 It was like, you don't know shit.

01:45:48.960 You may know shit about Vogue and your weird belts, but you don't actually know what works

01:45:52.840 on cable news or in my old business.

01:45:55.720 Like you don't know everything about everything.

01:45:58.260 She just has an arrogance and a nastiness to her and that I have lived firsthand that

01:46:04.340 I, it's a miracle to me.

01:46:05.900 It's taken until age 75 if she was given the boot for it to happen that way. 1.00

01:46:11.060 I also, um, was reminded recently that when Johnny Depp was portraying Willy Wonka, half 1.00

01:46:17.960 of his inspiration was Anna Wintour and her hair and the sunglasses.

01:46:21.780 What?

01:46:22.380 What?

01:46:23.040 Yeah.

01:46:23.800 Yeah.

01:46:24.120 I didn't know that.

01:46:25.720 Oh yeah.

01:46:26.560 Tim Burton admitted it.

01:46:27.880 It was half Michael Jackson and it was half Anna Wintour.

01:46:31.980 And I thought, first of all, that's genius.

01:46:33.700 And secondly, what a cut to Anna Wintour, who clearly thinks she is an icon for the ages. 0.99

01:46:40.800 She's never going to get that ambassadorship, Megan.

01:46:44.180 Yeah.

01:46:44.700 The one she wants.

01:46:46.440 No matter how much ass kissing she's done of Democrat politicians, we actually pulled 1.00

01:46:50.420 a couple of soundbites of her talking because as you know, Melania Trump has been on the 1.00

01:46:55.640 cover of Vogue one time from, I think, 2003 when she married Donald, not as first lady.

01:47:03.480 And it was like, Donald Trump chooses a bride.

01:47:05.680 She was only interesting to them because she had married Donald Trump. 0.99

01:47:09.420 Yeah.

01:47:09.880 Donald Trump's new bride.

01:47:11.380 Okay.

01:47:11.800 But as first lady, which she's now been for four and a half years, not once, not inside

01:47:19.540 the magazine with the big spread, not on the cover.

01:47:22.420 It's ridiculous.

01:47:23.660 She's obviously the most beautiful first lady we've had in recent memory.

01:47:27.500 And instead, three times for Jill Biden, who has zero fashion sense, three times for Michelle 1.00

01:47:39.860 Obama.

01:47:41.340 Misery Obama made it three times, who I'm sorry, also has no fashion sense. 0.91

01:47:47.240 But Anna Wintour talked about Michelle Obama like she was Naomi Campbell. 0.97

01:47:54.000 It was ridiculous.

01:47:55.460 Here's just a little bit of her packing the praise on for her favorite Democrat females. 1.00

01:48:00.960 Sot 27.

01:48:02.640 I believe Secretary Clinton, when she was first lady, was the first first lady to be on the

01:48:08.500 cover of Vogue.

01:48:09.280 She was.

01:48:09.840 I felt that the first lady at that time had behaved in a very brave way.

01:48:15.900 We felt it was a time to support her and to stand up for women.

01:48:19.860 We were also very honored.

01:48:20.840 Obviously, I think Mrs. Obama was on the cover three times.

01:48:24.520 I think Mrs. Obama redefined the role of the first lady. 0.99

01:48:28.320 I mean, she was so open to everybody.

01:48:31.820 She made the White House a place for everyone.

01:48:34.960 And I mean, and she was just so, I think, inspiring to so many women.

01:48:41.800 First lady Michelle Obama really was so incredible.

01:48:44.840 And in every decision she made about fashion, she was the best ambassador that this country

01:48:51.980 could possibly have.

01:48:53.320 But she's not the first lady now.

01:48:54.720 So what about the one that you've got now?

01:48:56.300 And to me, she is the example that I admire.

01:48:59.160 If you're talking about the first lady or Senator Harris, obviously, these are women that we 1.00

01:49:03.680 feel are icons and inspiring to women from a global perspective.

01:49:09.780 She was talking about Jill Biden there when she was first lady.

01:49:13.320 It's stomach turning and it's not true.

01:49:15.880 Michelle Obama has a terrible sense of fashion.

01:49:18.660 I'm sorry, but tune into her podcast if you don't believe me.

01:49:21.980 You know, I will lay the blame for Michelle Obama's forthcoming book called The Look, which

01:49:31.900 should be subtitled, Look at How Glamorous and Beautiful and Inspirational I Am.

01:49:37.040 I will lay that delusion at the feet of one Anna Wintour, who then put the minute, was it

01:49:44.040 the minute that Joe Biden announced he was picking Kamala as his running mate?

01:49:48.440 They put, they did a hastily assembled photo shoot with Kamala on the cover.

01:49:53.300 Talk about Gen X, putting her on the cover in a business suit with her Converse high tops 0.98

01:49:58.640 on to show she was cool, low cuts or whatever.

01:50:02.740 Yeah, you know, and then I was just looking very closely at the Vogue cover of Melania that

01:50:07.020 you put up right there.

01:50:08.020 And it looks like her head is swathed in a kind of veil.

01:50:12.860 Like, could we even see her face?

01:50:15.520 Like, that seems like a very Anna Wintour kind of like, I'm going to shiv you a little

01:50:20.280 bit.

01:50:20.660 I had to put you on the cover for myriad reasons, but I'm going to shiv you a little bit.

01:50:26.640 It's all, and the other thing is I was going through, um, clipped, I was sort of fast forwarding

01:50:31.320 a reviewing of, uh, the September issue, that documentary about Anna and Vogue that came

01:50:36.900 out in 2009.

01:50:38.120 And what really struck me, unlike the Devil Wears Prada, where her minions are, they look

01:50:45.120 like models.

01:50:45.700 They're well-dressed.

01:50:46.860 They have beautiful skin, beautiful clothes, beautiful hair, all of it.

01:50:49.780 Her staff looks like they were just freed by Hamas. 0.51

01:50:54.600 They have like skin that is breaking out and blotchy and parched and dry.

01:51:01.560 And they look malnourished and underfed and they, their hair is like frizzy and unkempt

01:51:06.840 and they're always on edge because they don't know what this tyrant is going to do or say

01:51:11.800 to them next.

01:51:12.580 And it's like, it's fashion.

01:51:15.580 Right.

01:51:16.380 Fashion.

01:51:17.500 Take a breath.

01:51:18.380 Yeah.

01:51:18.640 It's really not that important.

01:51:20.240 She went on in that interview, but I just, I want to make this point actually, before I

01:51:22.820 play this, Christiane Amanpour, um, who's a leftist hack is sitting there for listing audience

01:51:29.100 while Michelle Obama is saying, sorry, while, um, Anna Wintour is talking about Michelle

01:51:33.160 Obama as like, she changed the model.

01:51:34.940 She welcomed everyone into the white house and Christiane Amanpour has got her hand on

01:51:38.680 her face, like nodding and smiling.

01:51:40.680 Like, yes, yes.

01:51:42.080 Our leader, our heroine.

01:51:43.960 And to me, this is quietly racist and toxic because the reason they feel the need to go

01:51:52.380 so over the top on how fabulous Michelle Obama is, uh, is to prove that they're not racist. 0.90

01:51:58.540 I'm telling you that's, what's happening there.

01:52:00.640 They wouldn't have been that obsequious about Jill Biden.

01:52:04.520 They feel the need to show like, I love Michelle Obama, so I'm not racist.

01:52:09.260 See, I love Michelle Obama.

01:52:10.540 No, I love her more than you do.

01:52:11.740 I'm shaking my head.

01:52:12.560 Yes.

01:52:12.780 I'm saying yes, yes, me too.

01:52:14.000 I get it.

01:52:14.340 I asked the question about her to begin with.

01:52:16.080 Well, I put her on the cover of Vogue three times.

01:52:17.960 So I love her more.

01:52:19.000 This is two privileged white guilt ridden women trying to telegraph that I like Michelle 1.00

01:52:25.980 Obama.

01:52:26.280 She's a black woman. 1.00

01:52:27.500 Ah, that means I'm a good person.

01:52:29.200 That's what I see when I look at those two nimrods, have that conversation about Michelle 1.00

01:52:32.660 Obama, who did not have an amazing fashion sense at all.

01:52:37.180 She was wearing very plain Jane sheath dresses while she was first lady.

01:52:42.560 And since she's been out on her own, it's been an utter disaster what she wears.

01:52:48.480 She rivals only Blake Lively for how bad her fashion sense is. 1.00

01:52:52.540 Here she is talking about, clearly, why certain women get selected for Vogue and others don't.

01:53:00.220 It's not 26.

01:53:01.660 Your magazine, the most important fashion Bible in the world, does profile some very,

01:53:07.980 very important women who are in politics.

01:53:11.200 Tell me about that.

01:53:12.440 I mean, you're overtly political in your profiles and in what you stand for.

01:53:17.780 I think one has to be fair, one has to look at all sides, but I don't think it's a moment

01:53:22.620 not to take a stand.

01:53:24.000 I think you can't be everything to everybody.

01:53:27.780 We profile women in the magazine that we believe in the stand that they're taking on issues.

01:53:33.860 We support them in, uh, in the fact that we feel that they are leaders.

01:53:40.880 Okay.

01:53:42.920 So I'm wondering if this interview took place before or after Anna infamously sent a journalist

01:53:52.600 to interview the first lady of Syria, whose husband was, um, torturing his own citizens 0.99

01:54:01.600 to tell us how stylish and groundbreaking this woman was, you know, and, and it's the blowback 0.93

01:54:09.080 seemed to catch Anna by surprise.

01:54:10.700 And what I've always thought about Anna, the sunglasses, I think are a major sign of insecurity

01:54:16.740 and, or I like not, not visual eye issues, but I think like maybe the skin around her 0.69

01:54:23.600 eyes was aging in a way that she did not like.

01:54:26.080 And that was her, it's a, it's a flex, but it's also a sign of insecurity.

01:54:31.240 But, you know, she always, um, has lived in the shadow of her father who is known as

01:54:37.640 chilly Charlie Wintour, who, um, was an editor in chief at a, I forget the London paper, the

01:54:43.240 UK paper.

01:54:43.800 And then I think her siblings are like extremely accomplished in the private sector, like real,

01:54:48.700 real, real intellects.

01:54:49.700 And she has said, I was kind of the dumb one.

01:54:52.220 And I think that's what a lot of this is about.

01:54:55.540 Hmm.

01:54:56.060 Well, my team is telling me that that Syria remark was 2012.

01:54:59.540 So this would have been, this would, and that what I just showed you for her on Ampura

01:55:03.780 was 2019.

01:55:05.480 So it would have been after.

01:55:06.560 Uh, so yeah, she chooses everybody for a reason, Maureen. 0.90

01:55:09.820 Look, I, I think it's amazing.

01:55:11.760 I don't know why Anna Wintour stays and Ellen DeGeneres goes. 0.99

01:55:16.020 Uh, it must be something about Ellen DeGeneres was a star and had a show, but she didn't control 1.00

01:55:22.540 Hollywood, but Anna Wintour controls publishing. 0.99

01:55:25.920 I mean, there isn't a magazine hardly that she doesn't touch.

01:55:29.820 And I think she was just too big and was making them too much, too much money and including 1.00

01:55:34.500 up to 2018 for them to mess with her. 1.00

01:55:36.500 She was like, I just think she was, she was, she was too big and too, too scary in a way

01:55:41.720 that Ellen wasn't.

01:55:43.420 Uh, I think I was fine with what happened to Ellen.

01:55:45.800 I think I've heard so many terrible stories about Ellen, even worse than the ones that

01:55:49.000 have come out about her.

01:55:49.920 I think she's genuinely a terrible, nasty person, but I think that's true of Anna Wintour, too.

01:55:55.780 And I think her time in the power seat, uh, is, is, has been extended far too long.

01:56:01.680 All right.

01:56:01.920 I want to keep going because we, we still have some things to get to.

01:56:04.620 Can I round back to the Diddy trial with you?

01:56:07.380 Please.

01:56:08.540 Okay.

01:56:08.900 Um, we just found out it's two o'clock Eastern, just about, and, uh, the defense has not yet

01:56:16.260 rested.

01:56:16.760 They went to lunch.

01:56:17.520 He said he has another hour and then the prosecution gets the last word because they

01:56:22.020 have the burden of proof.

01:56:23.060 They said they have a 90 minute rebuttal.

01:56:25.120 That's normal.

01:56:26.020 Um, whoever has the burden of proof usually gets to speak last first and last.

01:56:29.920 Um, and then that was, then they're going to charge the jury with the jury instructions.

01:56:35.000 And then they believe that the deliberations will start on Monday, uh, that the jury.

01:56:41.460 Oh, now they're saying the jury will get the charge on Monday morning.

01:56:43.980 So that means closings will take the rest of the day.

01:56:46.100 Then they'll send the jury home and then the jury will get charged on Monday morning

01:56:49.720 and the deliberations won't start until then.

01:56:52.080 So it'd be a really interesting thing to see how long they take Maureen.

01:56:55.500 You know, is it an OJ thing where they all go in there and they're like, no, I don't think

01:56:59.540 he did it.

01:56:59.980 Me neither.

01:57:00.560 No, no, no, no.

01:57:01.600 And to this shock of everyone, they're back in the courtroom.

01:57:05.620 It was like an honor an hour to say not guilty.

01:57:09.000 Or is it a different thing where they, maybe they all feel the same or close to the same,

01:57:13.060 but they want to at least project to the world that they're taking it seriously.

01:57:17.200 And they really wrestled with it.

01:57:18.800 And they take a few days to argue with one another or possibly even have a hung jury.

01:57:23.140 Cause all it takes is one that he does not have to convince everybody he's not guilty.

01:57:28.680 He just has to convince one of them who can hang the jury.

01:57:33.120 And then the prosecution would have to decide if it wants to do it all over again.

01:57:38.140 So what are you thinking?

01:57:39.260 I mean, you're a New Yorker, New Yorkers.

01:57:42.200 I don't, I mean, it's, it tends to be a lefty left-leaning city.

01:57:45.380 Um, they are no nonsense.

01:57:48.800 It's very hard to fool them.

01:57:50.660 Although it did happen in the Trump case, in the Trump criminal case.

01:57:54.380 But I think that was a political thing in my view.

01:57:56.860 They, I don't think they'll be predisposed to hate Diddy.

01:57:59.940 But I think by this point in the trial, they probably do.

01:58:02.340 Because if you've been paying any attention at all, you do.

01:58:05.320 So what do you, what are your predictions, if any?

01:58:06.940 You know, as I've, as I said before, I do think New Yorkers, we've been living with Sean Combs for a very long time, you know?

01:58:16.420 And you say to me, nightclub shooting in the 90s.

01:58:19.000 Like, I remember just about everything about that.

01:58:21.580 You know, everybody knows this guy's bad news.

01:58:25.100 He's, he's, he's a dangerous guy.

01:58:27.340 What I wonder is, um, I don't know, like, again, you know far more about this than I do.

01:58:32.520 But, like, if I'm, if I'm doing, if I'm giving my 90-minute rebuttal and sending the jury off for a weekend with that, as, as July 4th approaches, I'm sure they're going to come back with a verdict before the holiday weekend.

01:58:43.620 There's no question.

01:58:44.280 I'm going to say Wednesday at the absolute latest.

01:58:46.920 Yes.

01:58:47.500 And I think they're going to find him guilty of, as you said, at least one, but probably all of these, all of these criminal acts, these depraved violence, the violence against women is just depraved.

01:59:00.480 Um, I, but I wonder, like, my thought is, like, who are they going to be talking to over the weekend?

01:59:07.500 You know, how does this not come up?

01:59:09.560 Yeah, they're not sequestered.

01:59:10.440 They're human beings.

01:59:11.860 Yeah, they're not sequestered.

01:59:14.220 Here's, they, they did, of course, hit the domestic violence thing, but I'm, Mark Agnifolo and his closing.

01:59:21.340 Um, and he, he, he handled it the way he had to.

01:59:26.440 He says, let's be clear.

01:59:28.240 There are things Mr. Combs has done.

01:59:29.700 There are things he's not proud of.

01:59:32.400 Domestic violence, we own it. 0.99

01:59:34.480 That happened.

01:59:35.180 That's real.

01:59:36.180 And if that were the charge, you wouldn't even be here because he would have pled guilty because he did that.

01:59:42.180 But Mr. Combs has not been charged with domestic violence.

01:59:45.300 He's been charged with racketeering, with sex trafficking, with being the head of some criminal empire.

01:59:51.440 And he did not do all that.

01:59:54.020 He's not going to lie.

01:59:55.800 He's not going to pretend.

01:59:57.160 But he's also not going to roll over and accept something he didn't do.

02:00:00.040 No, he will fight to the death for the truth.

02:00:03.400 He did what he did, but not what they are accusing him of now.

02:00:07.180 So then he says this morning, we're just going to talk person to person, truth to truth, because this case isn't about a criminal enterprise.

02:00:15.320 It's about a failed relationship.

02:00:17.360 It's about a love story gone sour.

02:00:19.440 And the government wants you to believe that Cassie Ventura was just some passive, powerless figure, that she was dragged along, voiceless, helpless.

02:00:27.720 But that's not what the evidence shows.

02:00:30.020 Cassie, she's not a victim in this courtroom.

02:00:32.280 She's the winner.

02:00:34.080 She walked away with 30 million.

02:00:35.600 He's in jail.

02:00:36.880 She made her choices and she made them with agency, intelligence and strength.

02:00:42.160 Their sex life, it was mutual.

02:00:44.020 It was consensual.

02:00:45.320 You could even say it was in sync.

02:00:47.720 Swingers, if you really want to give it a label.

02:00:50.080 But no one was forcing her.

02:00:51.680 No one.

02:00:52.580 Cassie Ventura is a grown woman who actually enjoys sex. 1.00

02:00:56.680 And I say, good for her.

02:00:59.120 Oh, my God, Maureen.

02:01:00.720 But that's not a crime.

02:01:02.440 That's not trafficking. 0.84

02:01:03.780 That's not coercion.

02:01:05.040 And let's not forget her relationship with Kid Cudi.

02:01:07.600 You remember that?

02:01:08.540 When I brought it up, I said it then and I'll say it again.

02:01:11.480 Cassie keeping it gangster.

02:01:13.160 Because she was allegedly having a relationship with both of them at the same time.

02:01:17.760 She's not some timid, terrified victim hiding in the shadows.

02:01:21.000 She's playing both sides, bold as ever, lying to both men without flinching.

02:01:25.420 You think she was scared of Sean Combs?

02:01:27.840 Oh, please.

02:01:31.440 That's the crux of the defense.

02:01:34.280 And it's I'm sorry, but like if the jury buys this, I feel like it's setting women back by decades that like it's it's powerful.

02:01:44.580 Like somehow you just look at somebody who's complaining that she's been beaten and you say, you're strong.

02:01:51.360 Don't be a victim.

02:01:52.800 You go, girl.

02:01:53.840 You handled it.

02:01:55.100 You're like, what?

02:01:58.140 I wonder, like, it sounds like something Bill Maher would write, frankly.

02:02:02.620 Was Arthur Idala the one who delivered it?

02:02:05.440 Delivered the closing?

02:02:06.040 No, he's on the Harvey case.

02:02:08.460 Oh, I thought he was also on Diddy.

02:02:09.960 Why did it?

02:02:10.420 Oh, Mark Agnifilo.

02:02:11.880 So Mark Agnifilo, he's the Keith Ranieri lawyer.

02:02:15.040 Did he did he deliver that in court?

02:02:17.280 Yes.

02:02:17.580 So I think that's a that's a very risky play to put that to have a male, first of all, deliver the closing and then tell I don't know how many women constitute that jury, but tell women this is what constitutes abuse.

02:02:30.280 And I am telling you that this one was in it for the money and the power.

02:02:33.880 And the subtext to me feels like she's a scorned woman. 1.00

02:02:37.240 And so this is where we're at.

02:02:39.200 This is female. 0.99

02:02:40.260 This is a jealous, bitter woman. 1.00

02:02:42.600 OK.

02:02:42.920 You know, who would take a beating for you know, I don't I don't understand how this was this even got out of their offices.

02:02:51.240 This that this is the closing argument.

02:02:54.740 I I agree with you.

02:02:56.420 If this works, it sets women. 1.00

02:02:58.520 We saw the video.

02:03:00.260 We saw the video.

02:03:03.020 He was beating the living crap out of her.

02:03:05.460 And then he dragged her by a limb or by her hair. 0.78

02:03:10.280 And we're supposed to believe she's either strong enough to take it or she was so strong.

02:03:18.360 She just abided it because it was the cost of doing business to be in a relationship with Sean Combs.

02:03:25.920 And then she had the temerity to possibly be dating two men at once.

02:03:29.740 I mean, do you ever hear men talked about in that manner?

02:03:32.580 This is ridiculous.

02:03:33.360 He had he had another person on the side and multiple people.

02:03:36.740 The entire relationship with Cassie, which was over a decade.

02:03:39.280 Not to mention Jane.

02:03:40.740 That was one of her chief complaints that she was like the one behind closed doors.

02:03:43.880 And he had all these other women he would actually be seen at dinner with.

02:03:46.880 But this is exactly what he tried to do in the Keith Raniere case, Maureen, the exact same thing.

02:03:52.060 I interviewed him before that case and he told me what he was going to argue and he did argue it.

02:03:56.340 And he lost Keith Raniere's in jail for life.

02:03:58.480 And he said to them, remember, this is a case in which it was like a sex cult in Albany, New York.

02:04:02.900 And he got these women to like follow him as their cult leader.

02:04:05.760 It was my friend, Catherine Oxenberg's daughter who got India Oxenberg, who got swept up into this. 0.56

02:04:11.780 And some of these women, including India, got branded with his initials.

02:04:15.760 And we've had some of these women on the show to talk about the horrific nature of the whole thing. 1.00

02:04:20.760 Anyway, Agnifilo's defense of Keith Raniere was this is New York.

02:04:24.980 We don't do sex slave. 1.00

02:04:26.680 All right.

02:04:27.320 Women have agency. 0.96

02:04:28.700 They're empowered.

02:04:30.060 And it's like, OK, good luck with that, because New Yorkers are tough, but they can also see a manipulative bastard when they are presented with one.

02:04:40.560 And they had Cassie on the stand, I think, for five, six days.

02:04:46.560 Jean was on the stand, I think, for eight.

02:04:48.920 Like, especially Cassie was sweet and soft spoken and demure and like like a kitten.

02:04:57.340 I mean, you just you just wanted to kind of rescue her and help her.

02:05:01.080 She did not project like, oh, yeah, I'm playing two guys against the like not at all.

02:05:08.120 To me, the kid Cuddy thing seemed like a possible window out of an abusive relationship with a guy who seemed kind of sweet.

02:05:14.640 This guy, Cuddy, seemed kind of nice and not like some manipulative bitch.

02:05:19.920 She and even her texts were like, I love it when we're both into it, you know, when we're both into it.

02:05:26.680 But like, I just don't think the jury is going to look at her and say, like, yeah, she actually enjoys sex. 0.99

02:05:31.680 Good for her.

02:05:33.260 We saw her get beaten. 0.94

02:05:35.620 And she's the testimony was it happened over and over and over.

02:05:39.680 And then Jane comes on. 0.98

02:05:41.180 There was another woman who testified he beat her.

02:05:43.200 Like, I just don't think this is going to fly.

02:05:45.800 But I do think it's the only thing he could do, Maureen.

02:05:47.960 I agree.

02:05:50.000 And I also think that the argument, if I'm a juror paying close attention and I'm reading things and I'm dismissing his argument from the get because he says Sean did those things, like the domestic abuse.

02:06:05.100 You know, if he would have pled guilty to that.

02:06:07.300 Well, no, he would not.

02:06:08.240 I disagree because he denied that, that that happened until the videotape was published by CNN.

02:06:14.280 And then he did that really ridiculous, very pathetic, self-recorded apology to everyone in which it was all about him.

02:06:25.420 Right.

02:06:26.180 I'm sorry.

02:06:27.200 I'm trying to work on myself.

02:06:29.240 Sometimes we do things that disappoint ourselves.

02:06:32.100 There was nothing about the victims here.

02:06:35.560 So, again, as a New Yorker, a lifelong New Yorker, I remember, and this is still talked about in the hip-hop community, somebody else took the fall for that nightclub shooting.

02:06:45.280 Sean Combs made sure that that happened.

02:06:47.480 And I don't see him as a guy who, like, stands up and takes ownership of the things that he does wrong.

02:06:52.840 So, it's already, he's lost me there.

02:06:55.640 Yeah.

02:06:56.000 No, as the kids say, oh, hell no.

02:06:58.000 Hell no.

02:06:59.500 Absolutely not.

02:07:00.320 He wouldn't have.

02:07:01.340 It's a joke.

02:07:02.020 The only reason they're saying that is because he's on camera and they can't wiggle anymore.

02:07:05.600 I don't know.

02:07:06.700 If he gets acquitted, Maureen, you've got to come back on and we've got to talk about what it means because it's just like.

02:07:13.060 I don't, I'm just like, I don't know.

02:07:15.180 I think he's not going to be acquitted, but it's not out of the realm of possibility because of just, I mean, it must be said that, like,

02:07:22.060 the storm of crime that we were told was going to come around him didn't, you know, I realize they're saying he committed an arson on Kid Cudi's car and that he committed a kidnapping with his employee when he brought her over, Capricorn Clark, to Kid Cudi's.

02:07:39.780 But like the, the, the, the over the top, like parties or everybody was going to go down as having watched it and participated in abuse that didn't materialize.

02:07:49.140 And even like, I don't know, just their evidence around him.

02:07:52.900 It boils down to like these long-term sexual relationships he had with a couple of women and these freak offs that he allegedly used his staff to cover up, not cover up, but to set up for and then clean up from, and yes, drugs and related sort of petty crime around it.

02:08:09.980 And at the same time, he was an abuser of these women without question.

02:08:14.340 He was a physical abuser of them.

02:08:15.640 And I gotta say, I expected more at the beginning, like when they raided the house.

02:08:21.600 And so I'm not like, I'm not guaranteeing a conviction.

02:08:25.820 I rarely would, but like, other than on transportation of prostitutes, you know, like that one he's getting convicted on.

02:08:32.540 But on the other two, they've styled an interesting case that does meet the modern day definition of sex trafficking, but it's probably not going to be something the jury is familiar with as sex trafficking for that second case.

02:08:45.640 Nor are they going to be familiar with a crime boss that looks or acts exactly like this.

02:08:51.100 I'm going to hold out some optimism here.

02:08:57.660 And I have, I have a lot of faith in New York juries and I have since Harvey, you know, since that jury, that was, that was more, that was seven men, I believe in five women who heard this very complicated testimony that his, his alleged victims who got up on that stand, continue to have sex with him.

02:09:17.100 Sometimes emailed him, continue to socialize with him, put in writing, I can't wait to introduce you to my mother.

02:09:25.100 And they came to understand that sexual assault survivors and rape survivors often behave in ways that do not seem logical or linear.

02:09:33.340 And I think that, I, I also kind of think that Sean Combs overplayed his hand with his presentation in court as like your friendly neighborhood accountant who just sort of got swept up into this federal prosecution, who's just delivering hands, heart hands, like Taylor Swift, heart hands in court and toting his Bible everywhere.

02:09:56.620 It's just like, how did this happen?

02:09:58.120 Like, I just, I think it's an, I think that was an overcorrection that will not play well.

02:10:01.900 Well, the, the prosecutor anticipating that defense argument said in her closing domestic violence, this was force.

02:10:11.260 These freak offs were forced control was his goal and brought up like the extortion that he basically did over them to threaten them.

02:10:18.580 If they, if they left him, you know, I'll stop paying your rent.

02:10:21.300 I'll call your, uh, your baby daddy and show him the videos.

02:10:24.540 I'll release the videos to the press.

02:10:26.160 And you know what else the prosecutor mentioned in our closing, Maureen was the thing we discussed when you and I last talked about this case.

02:10:31.900 The $20,000 payment he demanded from Cassie's mom, who was barely making her mortgage and had to take out a home equity loan to try to pay him or, or he was going to embarrass publicly humiliate Cassie.

02:10:47.140 And she paid him and then he wound up giving it back with $20,000 was nothing to Diddy.

02:10:51.780 He just did it to harass, not just Cassie, but her family to show everyone a lesson of what happens when you cross Diddy.

02:10:57.660 You don't do what Diddy wants you to do.

02:10:59.460 And so that the prosecution is doing it, what it needs to do too, which is like zoom out.

02:11:05.520 Like the, the defense wants you to zoom in, super in, be super myopic on that's just domestic violence.

02:11:11.080 That's all that is.

02:11:11.960 And the prosecution says, zoom out.

02:11:14.080 It was coupled with threats and demands.

02:11:16.920 Like we heard in that one voice memo to Jane, like you, I'm about to disappear on you.

02:11:23.980 You, you do what I want you to do.

02:11:26.640 You do your job.

02:11:27.760 He says, you act on your job.

02:11:30.240 After she sent him that photo of her on her period of her, you know, period blood, you do your job.

02:11:35.660 You get in there.

02:11:36.780 And then she went in with the two escorts that came out vomiting. 0.99

02:11:39.480 You get back in there.

02:11:41.060 You let's finish this off.

02:11:42.220 Right?

02:11:42.700 Like not.

02:11:43.840 It's not a loving relationship in which sometimes the guy blows a gasket.

02:11:48.800 It's, it's a controlled relationship where he's threatening them to get them to perform in these so-called freak offs,

02:11:56.560 debauchery nights, hotel nights.

02:11:58.620 And so the prosecution's whole theory is much more zoomed out than, than the defense is.

02:12:02.620 We'll see whether the jury gets it.

02:12:04.660 The prosecution also referencing back to the one psychological expert they had on who talked about

02:12:08.400 why these women, after having been raped as one claims by Diddy or beaten as both claim,

02:12:18.540 they would then go back voluntarily into bed with him as a voluntary sex partner or, or just stay in his life at all.

02:12:24.520 And she talked about how it's trauma bonding, trauma bonding.

02:12:28.800 That expert spoke to what that is.

02:12:31.240 The expert also spoke to how these abusers love bomb you at the beginning and they overwhelm you.

02:12:36.160 And then they continue the promise of like being able to deliver on that love, alleged love relationship throughout the relationship.

02:12:42.160 And the prosecution brought that back up to with him, with Jane, you know, I just want a normal night.

02:12:47.860 Oh, you'll get it.

02:12:48.400 You'll get it.

02:12:48.820 I'm coming to Florida.

02:12:49.640 We're going to go out.

02:12:50.440 Oh, let me speed dial the escort after I tell her we're not doing a freak off that night, but we are.

02:12:55.720 I'm going to make sure like all of it is just so manipulative and controlling.

02:12:59.080 Okay.

02:12:59.560 That's, that's that.

02:13:00.360 I've got one more topic before I let you go.

02:13:01.920 Thank you for indulging me with all this time.

02:13:03.480 Oh my God.

02:13:04.040 And that is, it's so fun.

02:13:06.760 Um, Holly Berry is back at it.

02:13:10.240 You know, I have a strong theory that Holly Berry, after she was publicly accused of being bad in bed, 1.00

02:13:17.200 has been on like an eight year tear to prove it's not true by publicly humiliating herself with aggressively progressive sexual behavior. 0.99

02:13:28.480 That's totally inappropriate.

02:13:30.240 Um, and like no sooner had I said it, but she showed her vag at the Met Gala. 1.00

02:13:35.220 And that led me to tell my theory about her.

02:13:37.540 My husband and I have been talking about this for a year because he was a couple of years.

02:13:40.340 Cause that he's the one who saw the comment by, it was a woman who knew Holly Berry's ex-boyfriend and said,

02:13:46.420 he said it to her, if memory serves that she's bad, she's bad, but she's boring. 1.00

02:13:51.100 And ever since that, she's been spiraling, spiraling, spiraling.

02:13:54.180 So she goes and shows her vag at the Met Gala. 0.94

02:13:56.280 And then she does, she does like some promo for her husband's, I don't know.

02:14:00.180 It's like for a lube that she's advertising and they're in bed, like talking and she's naked.

02:14:04.520 And she's like, can't wait to use the lube.

02:14:06.600 Like what you're Holly Berry.

02:14:08.460 What are you doing?

02:14:09.160 You're not a Kardashian.

02:14:10.400 Why are you advertising lube?

02:14:11.760 And then the latest comes out today where her bikini bottoms in a little dance, her partner, husband, whatever he is, is filming.

02:14:23.200 Just happened to fall off.

02:14:25.140 Maureen, here it is.

02:14:29.560 She's walking around in a white bikini, dancing weirdly.

02:14:33.560 She's in shadow.

02:14:37.900 Then you can see her.

02:14:40.600 Sexual dancing.

02:14:44.220 White bikini.

02:14:48.460 She's walking across the screen and oh, whoops, her bikini bottom falls off. 1.00

02:14:55.560 I hate when that happens.

02:14:57.660 Right?

02:14:58.120 When you, my underpants are gone.

02:15:01.680 What happened?

02:15:02.180 Well, you know, I'm being recorded.

02:15:05.280 Wear your pants.

02:15:06.080 Wear your pants.

02:15:07.060 Yeah.

02:15:08.060 Wear your pants.

02:15:09.000 This is so, you know, the, it's amazing the midlife crises that we're seeing unfold.

02:15:14.260 I thank social media.

02:15:15.920 I do thank social media for this.

02:15:17.940 We're seeing the facade of these celebrities who would otherwise have us believe they have it all and they have it all together.

02:15:24.960 We now see through these unmediated, like, it's almost like they're, they don't know their own ids.

02:15:33.180 Like, they don't know themselves.

02:15:34.860 They think this looks empowering.

02:15:36.520 And I feel, I, I can't feel sorry for someone with this amount of money and, you know, whatever she's got.

02:15:43.200 But, like, I do kind of feel sorry for her because it's clear that her self-worth is bound up in one thing and that is her body and her sex.

02:15:50.820 So, two things, her body and her sexuality.

02:15:53.580 What's going on between her ears is of no concern to her, you know?

02:15:58.200 Right.

02:15:58.800 Well, it's interesting to me because you look at, like, Melania Trump, who is this supermodel. 0.51

02:16:03.780 She has lots of nude pictures, which are out there from when she was much, much younger, when she was a model, you know, and she did some racy photo shoots, including on Trump's plane.

02:16:13.000 Ever since she became an actual adult, you know, a woman of a certain age. 0.91

02:16:18.080 And even before Trump became a politician, like, she's the picture of class.

02:16:23.780 You never see her trying to get our attention these days with that kind of behavior. 1.00

02:16:29.600 And Holly Berry's 58 years old. 0.96

02:16:32.640 I guarantee you, I guarantee you, Melania Trump looks as good or better than Holly Berry does in a bikini. 1.00

02:16:39.340 But she doesn't feel the need to do that anymore because she's matured.

02:16:44.020 She has other gifts.

02:16:45.540 She's the picture of class.

02:16:46.740 She knows she's in a different role in our society, and she's living up to it in spades.

02:16:52.460 You've got Halle Berry, who still is Hollywood royalty. 0.79

02:16:55.580 Everybody knows who she is. 0.59

02:16:57.280 That name, I mean, everybody knows her.

02:16:59.800 Why can't she live up to it? 0.94

02:17:01.220 And I really think something was done.

02:17:03.200 Like, there's some people make stupid insults like that about you as a public figure all the time.

02:17:08.780 But for whatever reason, this one got to her.

02:17:11.060 And like a ticking time bomb, it's like exploding her career.

02:17:17.980 It's like her bully's now in her head, and she's her bully.

02:17:22.200 She's bullying herself into making these terrible decisions where she's debasing herself in front of all of us.

02:17:28.120 I really want someone to make it stop.

02:17:31.960 It reminds me of, you remember, Billy Bob Thornton made a veiled comment, much the same, about Angelina Jolie.

02:17:38.880 He said something.

02:17:40.120 It was a print interview, maybe with GQ.

02:17:41.860 He said, you could be blanking the most beautiful woman in the world, and sometimes it's like having sex with the couch.

02:17:48.680 Like, and that everybody took that to be about Angie.

02:17:54.300 And that, you know, the wild child image was like the sort of overcompensation because, you know, but you don't see, you didn't see, and Angelina Jolie went the other way.

02:18:03.080 She went over to the United Nations, and she went over to like adopting children from various countries.

02:18:08.400 Her overcorrection went another way. 0.81

02:18:10.320 But it also, it just, to me, speaks to sort of the, I don't know if it's a chicken and the egg thing, but like the corrosive nature often of Hollywood and the insecure people who find themselves seeking validation through that level of mega stardom, where this does seem the worst thing you could say about Halle Berry in her mind is that she's bad at sex. 1.00

02:18:29.540 Like, that's the worst thing you could say.

02:18:31.940 It's so, can you imagine?

02:18:33.380 It's like, she must really think it's true.

02:18:36.120 So she must think it's true because otherwise she'd be able to let that roll off her back, you know, like water off the duck's back.

02:18:43.900 And she's with the lover.

02:18:46.320 Instead, she and the lover, I don't know if it's the husband.

02:18:49.060 I can't, I can't remember their marital status.

02:18:50.760 He's her boyfriend, I think.

02:18:51.980 Okay, he's in the videos with her.

02:18:53.820 He wants her to be showing the bottoms fall off. 1.00

02:18:57.600 He wants her to be talking about lube.

02:19:00.400 Again, I don't get it.

02:19:02.220 It's like the Bezos thing.

02:19:03.820 Don't, I'm interested.

02:19:04.920 I'm genuinely interested to hear from our audience.

02:19:07.800 Like the men, do you, would you want, does it make you feel good to see your wife like half naked and people drooling over her, especially in the fifties?

02:19:17.880 And women, do you, what do you think? 1.00

02:19:20.600 Would your husband want it?

02:19:21.620 Would you think your husband would want this of you?

02:19:23.520 Like you constantly in a sexual, outwardly facing mode.

02:19:28.560 As opposed to behind, yeah, behind the closed doors, obviously every man likes that.

02:19:33.100 And every woman probably likes it too.

02:19:35.160 But this is the public face.

02:19:37.260 You're really choosing something else when you make this what you're known for, which is what Holly Berry is doing.

02:19:42.340 And that is what Lauren Sanchez is doing too. 0.96

02:19:44.920 I mean, we don't know her as a helicopter pilot who was a journalist for a while.

02:19:48.900 We know her for her enormous boobs and her increasingly weird plastic surgery. 1.00

02:19:53.940 It's not a great call.

02:19:55.280 It's sad.

02:19:58.280 It really, it really kind of depresses me a little bit, you know, that there are so many great examples of women who grow older and grow further into themselves and expand their intellect and their interests.

02:20:14.180 And they have a kind of freedom maybe in their 50s that they didn't have while they were raising children or, you know, trying to really climb the ladder of their careers.

02:20:22.820 And they really begin to accrue a kind of power that nobody could really take from you, you know.

02:20:28.980 And that really comes from knowing yourself and coming to like yourself.

02:20:31.580 And I see stuff like this, and I think that this is just such a manifestation of rampant insecurity and self-loathing that at this stage in life does not bode well as they continue.

02:20:41.840 Because age and time come for us all.

02:20:43.980 And Holly Berry, she looks amazing at 58, but she will not look this way forever.

02:20:48.840 I know.

02:20:49.400 And it's like the men, I don't know.

02:20:51.540 Maybe Jeff Bezos is doing the same thing with his weird, I don't know what injectables, if any, he's getting.

02:20:56.180 But he looks very strange and very different from how he used to.

02:20:58.460 But in general, the men don't feel the need to over-sexualize themselves, like just to hang on to youth and vibrancy and like, I don't know, some projected sexual prowess.

02:21:08.860 Like they don't seem to be doing this to themselves in Hollywood.

02:21:13.560 Men are still allowed to age. 0.62

02:21:15.520 Tech is different.

02:21:16.320 I will say, Bezos is in tech, and I know a lot of people in tech, and I am told that there's pressure even on the men to try to stay young because it's just such a young man's game.

02:21:25.440 But for the most part, it's women, it's famous women, and it's these women who just think they're reduced to one thing, they're vag. 1.00

02:21:33.880 It's just, it is depressing.

02:21:36.080 All right, I'm going to end on a positive note, in particular about women.

02:21:39.880 There was a video, it got taken down probably for obvious reasons, but I did see it before it got taken down, of a young female B-2 fighter pilot working for the U.S. government.

02:21:53.580 And this, and I don't know if it's the B-2 pilot who was involved in the Iranian strikes or not, whatever.

02:21:59.380 But this woman, who was young and seemed very on it, talked about how she just wanted to get into, I think it was engineering, and I don't know, some sort of like super advanced scientific field.

02:22:12.560 And then she found out, oh, there are opportunities in the U.S. military, she could potentially fly jets, something had never occurred to her before.

02:22:19.480 And before she knew it, she was flying the B-2.

02:22:22.740 She was young, she seemed no nonsense, she seemed super smart.

02:22:27.020 I think about gals like that, Maureen.

02:22:29.180 I think about the gals who worked at the CIA and helped find Osama bin Laden.

02:22:33.560 And I think there's hope, you know, that most young women are much closer to those young women than they are to the Kardashians or on the path of a Halle Berry or going the Lauren Sanchez route.

02:22:46.560 I think most young women do have a strong head on their shoulders and understand the difference between being sexy and being pathetic slash weirdly desperate and needy. 1.00

02:22:56.060 Of being a sexual person, but still of having one's dignity and understanding in what settings to deploy one's sexiness and sexuality.

02:23:05.900 Like I, we focus on these stories in part because they are anomalies, right?

02:23:11.320 Because they are the one-offs.

02:23:13.880 In certain industries, they're more common than in others.

02:23:15.960 But in America, net-net, I still believe most young women have a strong head on their shoulders and know what they're doing and know the difference between right and wrong. 0.86

02:23:26.060 I agree with you, Megan.

02:23:27.760 And if I may humbly submit, it's because of fighter pilots such as the one you just referenced and also inspirations like you and I who have been to space and who came back to Earth to tell the tale and to serve as further inspiration and show a younger generation the way.

02:23:47.460 So, you know, I'm just saying.

02:23:49.380 But no, I couldn't agree with you more in all seriousness.

02:23:51.460 I do think that those women are a minority slice of the population and that there's there just now we live in a world where there are just far too many examples of what it is to be a really accomplished woman of substance.

02:24:06.120 That that is so much more appealing than stripping down to your vag on the Met Gala red carpet or showing up your oiled up what looks like a surgically enhanced behind on the yacht belonging to your what seems like a spiritually bankrupt billionaire, you know?

02:24:24.720 Yes, yes, it's so true.

02:24:26.980 No, I like Usha Vance.

02:24:29.080 I think about Usha Vance.

02:24:30.220 Usha Vance goes to Yale Law School, gets a job clerking for not one but two different justices on the U.S. Supreme Court while she's pregnant, having babies with J.D. Vance, who back then we didn't know what J.D. Vance was going to wind up doing. 0.95

02:24:43.900 He wasn't particularly successful.

02:24:44.720 She definitely did not marry him for his money or his power at the time and now winds up the vice president of the United States. 1.00

02:24:52.560 She's the picture of class.

02:24:53.900 She looked totally elegant at the inauguration and the festivities around it without being inappropriate.

02:24:59.720 She's a she's a working gal. 1.00

02:25:01.580 She's a mom.

02:25:02.520 She's a great wife. 0.99

02:25:03.640 She's got it all.

02:25:04.380 That's that's who I want my daughter looking up to. 0.75

02:25:07.560 None of the other women who we've mentioned thus far.

02:25:09.820 And and as you point out, astronauts who have been to space because we've been so we can say we're inspiration.

02:25:16.300 Great to see you, my friend.

02:25:17.720 I'll see you on the nerve.

02:25:18.780 Likewise, M.K.

02:25:20.500 Thank you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 27, 2025

Major SCOTUS Victories, and Absurd and Bizarre Bezos-Sanchez Wedding, with Maureen Callahan, Dave Aronberg, and Will Chamberlain ｜ Ep. 1097

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