The Megyn Kelly Show - Massive Day For Women's Sports at SCOTUS, and Remembering Scott Adams, with Kristen Waggoner and Andrew Klavan ｜ Ep. 1229

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00:01:00.740 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.460 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.360 We are live in Washington, D.C. today.

00:01:17.600 I had to be here to witness the historic arguments at the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:01:23.240 I was in the high court today for the first time in a long time.

00:01:27.160 When I first started at Fox News, I was the Supreme Court correspondent, and that's what I did for a living.

00:01:32.720 I went over to the Supreme Court not every day but most weeks, depending on how big the argument was or the case was going up before them.

00:01:40.920 And for three years, I was your humble correspondent at Fox News Channel, and it was an honor.

00:01:46.880 I had just come off of nearly 10 years practicing law, and I loved, loved, loved being there.

00:01:51.580 And today, yeah, it was cool.

00:01:54.880 Still, it was a little boring, not going to lie, but I loved being there because I loved what was being argued, and this is a hugely, hugely important case.

00:02:05.760 The question was basically, does a state have the right to ban biological boys from girls' sports?

00:02:15.020 One case involved the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, one case involved that plus Title IX, and it relates to not just these two states, Idaho and West Virginia, but 25 other states because 27 states have passed laws banning biological males who say they identify as females from participating in girls' sports.

00:02:37.000 Now, this is not what I would describe as the big kahuna.

00:02:40.360 That case is not yet there, which is what about the other states, the 23 states, is my math right?

00:02:47.840 Yes, that allow boys to participate in girls' sports.

00:02:53.100 Do the girls in those states have a right under Title IX or the Constitution to have those sports to themselves? 1.00

00:03:01.640 Do they have, in other words, can we overturn the permission slips that the blue states have given boys to participate in girls' sports?

00:03:10.480 At the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:03:12.620 And so my own take on what happened today in the High Court was the following.

00:03:16.740 The court's going to uphold the bans.

00:03:20.060 So I think the 27 states are going to be happy, and I predict, I think it's going to be 6-3, that the High Court will uphold those bans as constitutionally valid.

00:03:29.840 But they were already talking about the 23 other states who have given a permission slip for the boys to participate in girls' sports.

00:03:36.700 And unfortunately, my strong read of the conservative justices today was they're ready to join with the libs in saying that's just fine, too.

00:03:45.580 So it's really unfortunate, but that's what I heard today.

00:03:51.260 I want to get into it with a woman who has been behind the heart of not just this case, but so many cases that we care deeply about.

00:03:59.780 Honestly, like, Kristen Wagoner is like an angel.

00:04:03.680 She's – every case you care about, every issue you care about, she's defended it.

00:04:07.420 She's gone to the Supreme Court with her group.

00:04:09.180 She's always on the right side, like literally right, but also correct side, and we owe her a debt of gratitude.

00:04:17.620 She's the CEO, President, and Chief Counsel of Alliance Defending Freedom, Love ADF, which represented both of the states here, Idaho and West Virginia, and submitted briefs in this case, along with three female athletes that do not want to have to compete against males.

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00:05:26.980 Kristen, thank you so much for doing this with us today.

00:05:29.760 I'm so grateful to you and so proud of you because it went so well for the side of sanity today.

00:05:35.120 Give me your take. 0.90

00:05:35.740 I gave the audience my quick back of the envelope, but your take is more important and more informed than mine.

00:05:40.500 Well, I loved hearing your take first because I feel like we're all somewhat emotionally invested in it, but when you're sitting in it and you kind of know the ins and outs, let's just start with the court.

00:05:51.340 I mean, I think overall, I agree with your take.

00:05:54.100 6-3 is probably the way it will result with some concurrences as well.

00:05:59.680 I think that the argument went very well.

00:06:02.760 I was surprised at, well, maybe not surprised, but delighted by some of the ACLU's concessions.

00:06:08.380 They essentially rolled back their arguments on Title IX altogether, even saying that the lower court decision that they won under was wrong.

00:06:17.320 So that's great.

00:06:18.540 I think that the veil was brought back on the fact that they refused to even define what sex is.

00:06:25.700 So I'm not sure how you can find sex discrimination if you can't articulate what sex is.

00:06:30.240 That was crazy.

00:06:30.860 Put a pin in that audience because we are definitely coming back to that issue.

00:06:33.460 So keep going.

00:06:35.320 And then, I mean, I don't know.

00:06:36.360 I'm really curious to see what you think about this.

00:06:39.060 And maybe it's because, like, we have been living these cases out from, we started in about 2015.

00:06:45.100 First big stuff comes up 2017 where two boys take 15 state championships from girls.

00:06:51.520 So that's how long we've been in this.

00:06:53.060 And I've been with these female athletes. 1.00

00:06:55.160 You've interviewed them.

00:06:56.020 And we have the privilege of representing three that are in that case.

00:06:59.320 And I wanted so badly to just stand up and scream, why are we not talking about the women here?

00:07:06.380 I don't want to hear about Hecox or BPJ.

00:07:09.440 I want to talk about these girls, the girls that are impacted.

00:07:13.240 And it's just, that's probably what made me most upset.

00:07:16.740 That just gave me the chills.

00:07:17.460 That just gave me the chills when you said that.

00:07:19.240 There were multiple times.

00:07:21.140 And it did dawn on me, Kristen, that, like, the Supreme Court is really one of the last few places where there's true decorum that is maintained.

00:07:27.900 You know, it is very formal.

00:07:29.800 You are expected to behave.

00:07:31.620 Every reporter had a suit on.

00:07:33.420 It's not casual.

00:07:34.760 Every guest that's in attendance there has got their Sunday best on.

00:07:39.000 You may not stand up to stretch.

00:07:41.780 You will sit there and you will obey the rules or you will be promptly ejected.

00:07:46.400 And I like that.

00:07:47.240 I like that a lot.

00:07:48.440 The judges come in in their robes.

00:07:49.920 It's all very formal.

00:07:50.660 Um, but I actually was tempted to break the protocol a couple of times to stand up and be like, what?

00:07:58.540 What?

00:07:59.140 Right?

00:07:59.560 Like, the nonsense when the lawyer for BPJ in the second case, this is a boy pretending to be a girl who wants the right to play in girls sports, and said, the one thing you really shouldn't do in your ruling, because he was sensing that they were going to rule against him.

00:08:15.620 And now this lawyer has switched to, let me limit my loss here, so that it's just, these 27 states can uphold their ban, but don't touch my 23 that affirmatively allow this.

00:08:28.660 And so, I think it was, it was a Kagan or was it Ketanji Brown Jackson was like, tell us what not to rule. 0.50

00:08:36.220 Like, tell us exactly how we're supposed to rule, um, so that we can sort of protect these other rights.

00:08:41.320 And he was like, for the love of God, don't, don't define biological sex.

00:08:46.480 What?

00:08:49.240 It's stunning, but that is their argument.

00:08:51.860 I mean, you know, we've got to look behind the curtain and know what is at issue in this.

00:08:56.180 It is about biological reality, and it is about erasing the differences between men and women. 0.67

00:09:01.780 And that cannot happen on our watch.

00:09:04.300 It cannot happen.

00:09:05.280 But, you know, these girls that we're talking about, the opening argument of, you know, BPJ is this 11-year-old that just wants to have fun.

00:09:12.600 We should have compassion for BPJ. 0.97

00:09:14.620 BPJ is obviously very confused.

00:09:16.960 And we should treat BPJ with kindness.

00:09:18.940 But let's be clear about this.

00:09:20.960 BPJ has taken, 423 girls have been affected and lost places since BPJ competed in middle school.

00:09:28.900 1,100 times this has happened.

00:09:30.980 And he's taken 57 medals from the girls.

00:09:33.260 So let's talk to those girls, like our client, Adalia Cross, who couldn't compete. 1.00

00:09:38.360 She was in the top three on her team.

00:09:40.900 He starts, you know, throwing amazing, supposedly after puberty blockers, you know, when all this is not supposed to have an advantage, at least from what we heard today.

00:09:50.420 And instead is displacing all these girls. 1.00

00:09:52.940 And now Adalia wasn't even able to compete in the competition.

00:09:56.320 She was completely knocked out because, as Justice Kavanaugh said today, there's a limited number of spots.

00:10:01.680 That's right.

00:10:02.140 He was good.

00:10:02.620 Kavanaugh was good today. 0.52

00:10:03.800 Gorsuch was a nightmare.

00:10:04.960 Kavanaugh was good.

00:10:05.840 Even Chief Justice Roberts was good.

00:10:07.680 We have to talk about Gorsuch in a second.

00:10:09.420 But the thing on BPJ is if you listen to just today's argument, because his lawyers were up there saying, oh, he wasn't very good.

00:10:17.460 And their briefs were like, he wasn't good.

00:10:19.700 He barely made the track team.

00:10:22.000 And then when he got on, he wasn't at the front of the pack.

00:10:26.220 And, like, eventually, after a lot of hard work, he moved up a little.

00:10:29.760 But, like, you would really think this is a Charlie Brown of athletes.

00:10:33.560 And none of those facts that you just said came out today in court.

00:10:37.560 They left everybody there with the impression that this was, like, not even a middling athlete.

00:10:41.880 And, like, what are you complaining about?

00:10:43.540 This poor guy was, like, this little weakling who barely made the team.

00:10:49.400 But, Kristen, wasn't this – this was the case at which I saw Riley Gaines with the shot putters who walked out of the shot put circle and said, I'm not competing against a boy.

00:10:59.140 And he had started to dominate.

00:11:00.680 Megan, there is so much to this case that, I mean, it's just – yes, it starts with our client, Adalia Cross, was on the same team as BPJ, was competing in the top of the team and had these spots.

00:11:14.360 And, you know, the first year when BPJ was in sixth grade, she was in seventh grade.

00:11:19.100 And during that time, you know, she was still in the top spot.

00:11:22.360 By the next year, she starts getting knocked out.

00:11:24.700 BPJ allegedly is starting to throw 10 to 20 feet longer.

00:11:28.000 And then all these girls are falling off because he's taking these spots in higher competition.

00:11:34.500 Next thing you know, the five shot put or discus people were at a different school, actually.

00:11:40.840 And they protested and said, we're not competing against a boy.

00:11:44.440 It's not fair to make us do that.

00:11:46.600 So this is not even BPJ's team or Adalia's team.

00:11:49.340 It's a completely different school protesting.

00:11:52.380 And those girls are punished by their school. 1.00

00:11:56.380 Where is our voice?

00:11:58.820 We're showing some of the girls.

00:12:00.180 They got in the circle as though they were going to throw it.

00:12:02.480 And then they walked out in protest, which takes so much guts.

00:12:06.520 I mean, especially in this environment.

00:12:07.920 It was an act of true courage for these girls to take a stand.

00:12:11.760 Not mentioned at all today.

00:12:13.440 And the number, like, what does the court have to go along with she pronouns for these boys?

00:12:20.480 It was infuriating, Kristen, because, of course, it gets to the very issue of why we're all there.

00:12:27.580 Reality matters.

00:12:29.140 Actual fact, biological pronouns matter.

00:12:32.380 But the whole the whole court went along with the lie today by using she her pronouns.

00:12:38.460 Well, I wouldn't say the whole court did, but I would say some surprising justices did.

00:12:44.380 I didn't hear Alito do it.

00:12:45.620 I didn't hear Thomas do it.

00:12:47.200 But I definitely heard Gorsuch do it.

00:12:49.680 I think I heard Barrett do it.

00:12:51.700 And I think I heard Kavanaugh do it.

00:12:55.320 It is language is so critical.

00:12:58.040 And the court knows that.

00:12:59.640 I mean, you know, majority of the court would consider themselves to be originalists and textualists.

00:13:03.880 And but at the same time, this decorum that you're talking about, no one wants to hurt people.

00:13:08.780 No one wants to hurt their feelings or unnecessarily offend.

00:13:12.100 And and I think that's how this thing, you know, the women got steamrolled in the first place is is we don't want to have to confront and hurt people.

00:13:19.420 But I think we're getting confused about what compassion and kindness actually looks like because it can't exist without truth.

00:13:25.800 And so you're right.

00:13:26.920 I mean, even the idea of having to keep track of cisgender and transgender and transgender girls versus I mean, it was it's mental gymnastics in the courtroom.

00:13:36.820 I find cisgender girl and cisgender woman a slur.

00:13:39.320 I I recoil when I hear that.

00:13:42.140 And I heard it about 12 times today from Ketanji Brown Jackson, who, of course, was unable to define what a woman is during her Supreme Court confirmation hearing. 0.78

00:13:52.060 And once again, today seemed very focused on how to get around defining women and get around a ruling that would help women in any way, which she sensed, as I think you and I did, is coming from the majority.

00:14:05.740 Well, remember that in her nomination, when she answered that question of she couldn't answer what a woman was, she said she'd need to talk to a biologist.

00:14:14.720 And fortunately, the record is chock full of them in these cases.

00:14:18.900 There is ample science, real biologists that actually know what it means to be a woman and can define it. 0.97

00:14:26.340 And I believe the court will uphold biological reality in these cases.

00:14:30.900 But, man, if today is not a reminder that we have much more work to do.

00:14:36.260 And again, in the Idaho case, as an example, we represent two athletes who were beaten many times by a man at the collegiate level who took the Big Sky Championship.

00:14:47.420 So, you know, there are there's so many different women that have suffered as a result. 0.99

00:14:52.380 And of course, we haven't even started talking about locker rooms.

00:14:54.760 I know exactly. That's not really at issue here.

00:14:57.520 So let me just play this this moment where the Alito called B.S. on BPJ's lawyer who is trying to say, don't whatever you do in this opinion, do not define biological sex.

00:15:10.320 Because, of course, he knew this is going to seal our fate in many cases.

00:15:13.880 God forbid they just say that a woman is a has a certain set of gametes and a man has a different set of gametes.

00:15:20.860 The women's will turn into ovaries. The man's will turn into testes, period. 1.00

00:15:24.340 Or a woman can have a baby or a woman has XX chromosome, whatever. 1.00

00:15:28.660 They don't want that.

00:15:30.540 And Alito was the first one to break the dam because this guy was getting away with it.

00:15:35.040 Like, the last thing you should do is this.

00:15:37.820 And Alito brought some sense.

00:15:39.900 And then I was pleased to hear the chief justice tag team in like, yeah, what Alito said.

00:15:44.980 Here's that moment.

00:15:45.840 And what is that definition for equal protection purposes?

00:15:50.620 What does what does it mean to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman?

00:15:55.180 Sorry, I misunderstood your question.

00:15:56.520 I think that the underlying enactment, whatever it was, the policy, the law, the would have to we'd have to have an understanding of how the state or the government was just understanding that term to figure out whether or not someone was excluded.

00:16:07.540 We do not have a definition for the court and we don't take issue with the we're not disputing the definition here.

00:16:13.460 What we're saying is that the way it applies in practice is to exclude birth sex males categorically from women's teams and that there's a subset of those birth sex males where it doesn't make sense to do so according to the state's own interest.

00:16:25.520 Well, how can you how can a court determine whether there's discrimination on the basis of sex without knowing what sex means for equal protection purposes?

00:16:37.360 I think here we just know that we basically know that the that they've identified pursuant to their own statute.

00:16:44.160 Lindsay qualifies as a birth sex male and she's being excluded categorically from the women's teams as the statute. 1.00

00:16:50.240 So we're taking the statute's definitions as we find them and we don't dispute them.

00:16:53.720 Okay, that was in the first case, Hecox, and then it happened again in the second case with BPJ when there was a male attorney up there.

00:17:01.220 Title IX prohibits discrimination on basis of sex.

00:17:06.760 It's a statutory term.

00:17:09.200 It must mean something.

00:17:10.940 You're arguing that here there's discrimination on the basis of sex.

00:17:16.660 And how can we decide that question without knowing what sex means in Title IX?

00:17:22.360 I mean, it could mean biological sex.

00:17:24.720 It could mean gender identity.

00:17:26.740 It could mean whatever a state wants to define it to mean.

00:17:30.940 But it has to mean something.

00:17:32.400 How can we decide that without knowing what the statutory term means?

00:17:36.060 Well, I think there are a whole range of sex-based characteristics that can give rise to discrimination.

00:17:41.960 I think if someone said, I'm going to discriminate against anyone who acts in a feminine manner, like anyone with limp wrists, I don't care who they are, but I'm going to discriminate against them. 1.00

00:17:52.960 Like, I think that would be sex discrimination.

00:17:55.740 It would be sort of gender presentation.

00:17:58.240 But I wouldn't say that's not covered by Title IX.

00:18:00.900 And so I just, I'm not saying that biological differences aren't part of sex.

00:18:07.020 You don't think we should have an operating definition of sex in Title IX?

00:18:12.020 Now, I understand the idea that, well, the question then becomes not whether or not there's discrimination on the basis of sex, but whether there's discrimination on the basis of whatever characteristic you think should be included in the definition of sex.

00:18:29.900 Now, when it's used as a statutory term, I'm not sure you have that kind of flexibility.

00:18:33.820 The question would be instead, what does Congress think the word means?

00:18:38.480 But that's really what it comes down to, right, Kristen?

00:18:43.740 And do you think that they will have the courage to do the very basic work of defining what biological sex means in order to determine a case in which these bans are based on biological sex?

00:18:57.400 I think it's going to be very challenging to resolve the equal protection claim without bringing some sort of definition in on sex and it being related to biological sex.

00:19:11.200 I mean, under the Equal Protection Clause, the whole threshold is when the legislature draws lines, are they drawing those lines so that they're treating similarly situated people similarly?

00:19:21.420 And so the biological distinctions here matter greatly, and I think that you have to define it for equal protection purposes, and we all know what it means.

00:19:29.760 You know, the only person that doesn't seem to know are progressive left activists who are actually trying to erase the rights of women and girls across this nation.

00:19:39.280 At Title VII, also, I think you just look at the statute, which says, is there sex-based discrimination, and the statute itself anticipates that you will separate the sexes based on athletics as well as in living facilities because, again, they know what biological sex means and what it meant when the law was passed.

00:19:58.000 So I think the court may not want to fully go there in this, but I think you'll almost have to resolve it, and I sure hope they do.

00:20:07.380 I mean, I just kept thinking, Megan, I can't—10 more years of this is insanity.

00:20:12.740 No, no, I mean, girls are being hurt by the day, by the day, by the second.

00:20:18.020 Well, I think of Adelaia as an example.

00:20:19.920 I mean, yes, this is about sports, but we all know that, you know, Title IX, as an example, has just been a weapon used by the last administration, you know, changing the regulations, changing the standards, and as they're doing that, they're opening up locker rooms.

00:20:33.360 BPJ, in the locker room.

00:20:35.060 Adelaia Cross, under oath, multiple times says he comes up behind her, threatens her with sexual assault.

00:20:41.040 The school does nothing because they don't want to have to deal with it, and yet, all along, girls and boys are sharing these locker rooms.

00:20:48.520 They have different anatomy, and that anatomy plays out in a very real way.

00:20:52.980 Imagine having your daughter being threatened with sexual assault two to three times a week, which is what's going on here.

00:20:58.960 No more.

00:20:59.640 We've got to correct it.

00:21:01.700 So the BPJ case was the case.

00:21:04.380 It was the Hickox, or Hickox, whatever you pronounce it, case involved somebody who was at the University of Boise, right, in Boise, Idaho.

00:21:15.020 Yes, they were in Idaho.

00:21:16.880 Boise State, okay.

00:21:17.540 So this was a person who was older because they were in college, and they wanted to play college sports.

00:21:24.160 But the plaintiff in the other case, out of West Virginia, was somebody, BPJ, who said that they had started puberty blockers, like they knew that they were, quote, trans as of third grade, that they went on puberty blockers straight into cross-sex hormones, and therefore never had male puberty, and therefore never developed male advantage.

00:21:44.700 By the way, the plaintiff in the Idaho case, who did go through male puberty, also argued he had no advantage because he lowered his testosterone levels.

00:21:54.520 And so he's just the same as you and I, you know, as if, like, Shaquille O'Neal, post-puberty, but taking testosterone, you know, blockers, would have no male advantage over us because it's all wiped out once his T levels go down.

00:22:10.260 It's absurd, but we were operating under that premise like it was real today in the high court.

00:22:16.480 But the BPJ kid was somebody who is a male, but at a very young age started to do these cross-sex hormones and so on. 0.99

00:22:26.480 But you just mentioned something that doesn't come out in the coverage of BPJ, which is that there's been an allegation that he repeatedly has been saying to the girls on his teams, you can suck my D. 0.99

00:22:38.560 I'm going to take my D and shove it in your P and, like, really vile, disgusting stuff, which is sexual harassment. 1.00

00:22:45.740 It absolutely is. 0.97

00:22:48.740 And, I mean, it's crushing.

00:22:49.840 When you talk to Adelaide, she's not playing sports anymore, would you?

00:22:53.980 They're in the same high school.

00:22:55.460 They would be on the same team.

00:22:56.960 She's been excluded from her own locker room and her own athletic team because there's, one, not equal opportunity, not fair play, and he's taken a spot on the team.

00:23:07.380 And then would you go back into that situation?

00:23:09.680 No one would.

00:23:10.660 Hell no.

00:23:11.140 I wouldn't let my daughter do it either.

00:23:12.640 I'd be afraid.

00:23:14.160 No, absolutely.

00:23:15.280 And I think when we're thinking about the legal question here, you know, the question is, can states draw legislative classifications and what's the standard that they should be based on when they're reviewed?

00:23:26.560 Certainly, states can recognize that, generally speaking, there are advantages that biological males have that just exist.

00:23:35.580 And so, essentially, what was being argued today is that we have to create individualized exceptions, first of all, which would mean, I mean, I don't even know how a state would pass a law.

00:23:44.620 If every time you needed to make an individualized exception, and then second, on the assumption that sort of the science doesn't support it.

00:23:53.840 And the record's just clear that the science does.

00:23:55.900 Okay, so yes, so let's just set that up clearly for the audience.

00:23:58.620 Don't change it.

00:23:59.080 They were saying, okay, there are these laws.

00:24:01.460 Title IX is allowed to discriminate on sex, and the Equal Protection Clause doesn't ban it.

00:24:06.300 It's been in place for decades.

00:24:08.200 It does differentiate, based on sex, between boys and girls, but that's been accepted.

00:24:13.880 To do it in this fashion, and especially based on sports, that's been made perfectly clear, is totally fine and a-okay.

00:24:20.180 And so, these plaintiffs couldn't get up there and say Title IX and the Equal Protection Clause, like, have to go, because they're discriminatory against our clients.

00:24:27.740 They said, oh, we—one of the arguments was we deserve exceptions, because our clients don't have male advantage. 0.99

00:24:34.600 One, because they lowered their testosterone, and one, because they did this drug regimen.

00:24:38.320 And the justices were like, so we have to make an exception, like, just for your clients or, like, for all clients who don't have male advantage, and how are we going to figure that out, like, as a group?

00:24:52.700 And, like, the impossibility of it, Kristen, became pretty clear to me.

00:24:57.040 And then we got to the point where the one lawyer in BPJ's case was like, well, I think, you know, back on the sex question, you shouldn't define biological sex in determining any of this, because even if you were to go with, like, the biological sex definitions that we could all recognize, there's going to be the XY chromosome kid who's got a limp wrist.

00:25:20.800 He actually said that. He was talking about how, like, some boys have limp wrists, and, like, started arguing about, like, we should factor that stuff in, in figuring out who's going to get an exception and who's not.

00:25:33.900 It's completely unadministratable, but I think that also just the underlying truth of what was being debated in just the sense that boys are treated the same under this law.

00:25:45.600 Girls are treated the same under this law, and the idea that somehow boys who identify as girls need a special exception, what about the many others out there?

00:25:56.540 As you said, maybe shorter. I'm short. What about those who have a disability? What about those who are just on medication, and that might impact their performance?

00:26:06.460 Are we doing exceptions for all of those individuals?

00:26:08.960 The fact is, the ACLU today made the case that they do believe in sex-based athletics. They do believe that there are differences. They agreed to that. And they don't want to get rid of those differences.

00:26:21.980 They just want boys who identify as girls to be able to come into the girls category. And we need to ensure that that doesn't happen, because women deserve equal opportunities, fairness, and privacy.

00:26:32.220 They actually got up there and tried to spin us that boys who are on puberty blockers may actually be at a disadvantage.

00:26:47.240 I heard that.

00:26:48.100 It was crazy. It was like, not even puberty blockers. I think this was about, like, a post-pubescent male who then lowers his testosterone, like the first plaintiff in Hickox.

00:27:00.620 That that person's at a disadvantage versus biological girls, and here's how that was spun by attorney Kathleen Hartnett, SOT 11.

00:27:09.360 I do think that's the most prudent, but definitely on a record that's more developed, because I think a lot of, I think in the end of the day, it might end up being a surprise to, we don't know yet, but I think we have some good evidence that actually, at the end of the day, being transgender woman, actually, to the extent there are, and you've repressed your testosterone, you're at somewhat of a disadvantage in many ways, because you have, again, this larger frame with weaker muscles and no testosterone. 0.52

00:27:32.580 Okay. By the way, it's not no testosterone. That's a lie, too. They just get their testosterone levels down to something closer to what a female would have, but they still have all the advantage of male puberty and male bone length and strength and heart and lung capacity and all the rest of it. 0.90

00:27:54.620 You mean, like, you mean, like, Will, who goes by Leah Thomas? Is that what you're talking about there?

00:27:59.900 Exactly. That's a great example, because people can see it with their own eyes. Like, that's a post-pubescent male who tried to pawn himself off as female, and puberty blockers or whatever, testosterone, you know, pills to lower it or not, you can see with your own eyes he's got an advantage over the females.

00:28:19.080 Well, the science tells us that there are denser bones, longer bones, that all of these physical advantages don't go away with puberty blockers.

00:28:26.600 Again, the science confirms that even after puberty blockers, there are inherent physical advantages that boys have that girls simply don't, and they never will. 0.96

00:28:36.420 And, again, I think it underscores the, and also, I just want to say this, why would we create an incentive for children to go on puberty blockers, particularly when the court has already just said in Scrimetti that, hey, this is a medical experiment, and we're, you know, have some concerns about that, and the state should be working these things out right now.

00:28:56.700 So I think there's just a lot of implications to that argument, but the science is clear, and, again, so are the rights of the states to be able to draft reasonable legislative classifications that are based on sex, and really what's being done here is an argument to say, we don't really mean sex, we mean gender identity, and we know that that essentially erases women.

00:29:16.760 Yes, exactly right, and so, unfortunately for us, though, we're stuck with Bostock, which was a Supreme Court case deciding that under Title VII, which governs employment, gender identity is a protected class, and you cannot refuse to hire somebody based on their gender identity, which is just really crazy.

00:29:36.320 I mean, it's crazy. Just the other day, Kristen, we played a tape that a young girl at a Planet Fitness out in California took of an allegedly trans person, a guy pretending to be a girl, in the women's locker room at Planet Fitness in California.

00:29:49.600 Not to get too graphic, but clearly he was pleasuring himself in the women's bathroom stall, and you could see it, not based on, you couldn't see him exactly, but you could see the shadow down below, and this clever girl took a video of the shadow, which clearly showed what he was doing.

00:30:03.360 And you and I both know that the vast majority of these male-to-female alleged trans people are autogynophiles who are actually not gender confused. 0.88

00:30:11.900 They're getting off in a sexual fantasy in which they get turned on by dressing like women and being around women while they do it. 0.94

00:30:19.760 And nonetheless, we had to be subjected to, you know, the court talking about these people like they're, you know, in Bostock, like they're just like you or me, or they're just like somebody who's like a black person who has an immutable characteristic that's, you know, skin color, or a woman who's got an immutable characteristic that's, you know, her lady parts.

00:30:39.420 And they actually gave them the protection of the law saying you have to hire these people.

00:30:43.700 So if this guy who is pleasuring himself in the Planet Fitness comes into my company and he wants me to hire him, and I know that he's probably an autogynophile, I can't say no because of Bostock. 0.88

00:30:55.720 Thanks, Neil Gorsuch.

00:30:57.040 He wrote the opinion.

00:30:59.040 And so we have to deal with that finding.

00:31:00.900 But they did accept, they excluded bathrooms and locker rooms.

00:31:05.060 And now today the question is, are sports also excluded from that?

00:31:08.200 And I think it's going to go the right way.

00:31:10.200 But can you just give me your, what did you make of Gorsuch today?

00:31:13.120 Because I was alarmed by him.

00:31:16.780 Well, Bostock is a decision that we've essentially been litigating around since it came out.

00:31:23.120 We believe it's a wrongly decided decision and a poorly reasoned decision.

00:31:27.960 And I've had Justice Gorsuch rule in some of the cases that I've argued and write the opinions, and he's done a fabulous job.

00:31:34.860 But Bostock is not one of them.

00:31:36.680 And I think his comments today were concerning in the sense of talking about whether we should essentially equate those who identify as the opposite sex to some sort of special class status under the law that would be akin to race.

00:31:52.740 But, you know, we don't know the reasons he was asking those questions.

00:31:55.800 So it might have been that he was trying to get to a place to resolve the case in a more straightforward way.

00:32:02.500 But let me say this.

00:32:03.620 I mean, Justice, we've been litigating these cases for 10 years.

00:32:07.020 And that issue of, you know, whether the states must essentially protect women, that's, we have an oral argument in that in two days.

00:32:14.200 So, you know, we're covering the landscape.

00:32:17.740 We are continuing to work on that.

00:32:19.240 At the lower court, right?

00:32:20.160 At a lower court.

00:32:21.040 Well, at the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals.

00:32:22.620 So it's not too much lower.

00:32:24.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:24.460 I mean, these are on their way up right now.

00:32:26.620 So it won't be long.

00:32:28.100 How is that looking?

00:32:29.560 Because, like, I was so discouraged that they, Gorsuch did not seem like he's going to rule in our favor on that one.

00:32:35.940 And Kavanaugh seemed like he wasn't going to rule in our favor on that one.

00:32:40.800 And we can lose one, but we can't lose two.

00:32:44.560 I think we don't know when the issue is actually presented.

00:32:47.660 And it underscores the importance of the American people.

00:32:50.580 It underscores the importance of who we elect in terms of the legislators that are passing laws and the legislative history that they put in place.

00:32:57.480 I would not give up on that argument.

00:32:59.440 I think that there's a reason even the Department of Justice today in the argument said, you know, we're not going to take a position on that, on equal protection.

00:33:07.860 And we actually believe Title IX protects girls in these instances. 0.56

00:33:12.020 And when it comes to Justice Gorsuch, again, I think there are easy ways to distinguish Bostock.

00:33:17.600 That was about whether in a hiring and firing situation, and you had to take account of sex in that instance, that sex was like what it turned on.

00:33:26.640 Whether that qualified under the statute of sex discrimination.

00:33:31.260 In this context where we're truly talking about gender identity, the hinge point is not sex.

00:33:37.660 A boy who identifies as a girl is treated the same as a boy who identifies as a boy.

00:33:42.860 That's not sex discrimination.

00:33:44.840 And states have the right to make distinctions on the basis of our biological differences.

00:33:49.220 So we're going to keep going.

00:33:50.880 And I think eventually we're going to win.

00:33:52.760 And if we don't, I worry about Western civilization, just candidly.

00:33:58.040 I mean, I think that's how important this issue is, that we can talk about what we know to be true in human biology.

00:34:04.740 I'm honestly, I just have to reiterate, I'm so grateful to you.

00:34:09.440 It's one thing to sit in the anchor chair and get outraged at these stories.

00:34:13.280 And there is a role for bringing attention to them in the media.

00:34:17.140 Um, so I'm not completely discounting the press in this, but, and usually they've been a force for evil, but it takes someone like you to get off the couch, get up early, file the briefs, go through the litigations, which are just painstaking and tedious.

00:34:34.200 And the interrogatories and the depositions and the motions to dismiss and the motions for summary judgment and then the motions for appeal and then the appellate briefs back and forth and then the oral arguments and then appeal up to the next level.

00:34:44.900 And then it's like, it's so much work.

00:34:47.440 And I, I know it cause I used to do it for a living and I just, I'm so grateful to you for doing it over and over and over to make sure these things come out right.

00:35:00.780 And it's on all cultural issues, but this one is the one of our time, Kristen.

00:35:04.260 I'm just, I can't imagine how, when you go back and you talk to the girls, like the girls in this case, what was their reaction?

00:35:10.540 How are they feeling?

00:35:11.240 They're excited, they're relieved that the argument came, but I mean, I'll tell you, as we're getting ready yesterday, you know, there's some, there's some emotion involved about being, you know, having your face all over and what does it mean in terms of the hate that you get?

00:35:25.680 And, and yet they're strong and they're courageous.

00:35:28.620 And I believe they've unleashed warriors by, by taking this battle on MK and Maddie, they're passionate about this issue.

00:35:35.520 They receive scholarships under Title IX, scholarships that, you know, if they hadn't received them, they might not have been able to go to school and Laney is the same.

00:35:45.640 And then we've also been able to partner with Attorneys General Labrador and McCuskey in West Virginia and Idaho, and they have stood strong in this from the very beginning, as we've represented the states alongside them.

00:35:57.900 So, there are bright lights in this, but it takes endurance and grit, and just as you said, it takes the media, it takes your voice, that's what's helping us turn this corner.

00:36:07.740 It's ordinary Americans, and it's Americans who have a platform saying, we're going to stand for truth, we're contending for our girls.

00:36:14.520 These girls you just named and that we just showed, all of whom have been disadvantaged by boys pretending to be girls playing in their sports, are not going to get a PUF profile done on them.

00:36:28.640 They're made out to be villains.

00:36:31.540 And while the attorney stood up there today, the female attorney for Hickox, and said, oh, I would never call them bigots, you know, because there was a question, are they bigots?

00:36:40.300 Oh, I would never call them that. The reality is that the trans side does call virtually every girl who comes forward to stand up for herself a bigot, a transphobe.

00:36:50.100 So, that's fine. You can say that to the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:36:52.780 Those of us who live in the real world have heard you and the ACLU and the trans lobby do that every single day since we started fighting back. 0.65

00:37:03.140 This is instead what you get. You get a profile like this from ABC News.

00:37:07.160 This is on BPJ. This is just this past Monday where I didn't I didn't hear about any of the controversy that you and I just discussed.

00:37:17.300 This is how it sounded. SOT 16.

00:37:21.320 With each throw of the discus, Becky Pepper Jackson strives for perfection. 0.99

00:37:27.020 I put time in over the summer and after practices just trying to improve my technique and get better.

00:37:32.720 The high school sophomore from Bridgeport, West Virginia, was born into a family of runners.

00:37:38.220 Consistently at the back of the pack, a coach instead pushed her to learn to throw.

00:37:43.040 My times were too slow and she didn't want me to not make the team.

00:37:46.140 So, she introduced me to shot put and discus and that's when I just fell in love with it.

00:37:50.560 Becky's throws earned her a spot in the state championship last season. 1.00

00:37:54.280 The first time the only known openly transgender athlete in West Virginia in any sport took a top prize.

00:38:01.120 Your teammates don't see a difference in your performance or your presence.

00:38:06.160 No, most of them are really kind. They support me all the way.

00:38:08.940 It's just like being any other person on the sports team.

00:38:11.500 She may be embraced by some teammates, but she's been protested by other athletes and targeted by state lawmakers. 0.99

00:38:19.000 Targeted. It's a failed Devin Dwyer of ABC.

00:38:21.540 That's what we get about Becky, who's outed herself and her identity, as opposed to what we hear about the other girls, the alleged bigots.

00:38:30.960 Kristen?

00:38:31.900 Well, a number of her teammates actually had to wear their track uniforms underneath their clothes or wear their track uniforms to school because they didn't want to have to share a locker room with BPJ and a boy.

00:38:40.500 A number of the teammates have been displaced.

00:38:43.700 Exactly, you know, 423 girls, again, that BPJ has competed against in the course of the last several years have lost their positions 1,100 times and, again, 57 medals.

00:38:54.760 So, you know, some of those girls are afraid to talk because of the treatment that they get, and that's all a part of the design, the bullying that goes on.

00:39:01.640 But, again, as this injustice occurs, as we bring light to it, more and more girls are coming forward. 0.63

00:39:08.200 I'm sure you saw a recent U.N. report says there have been upwards of 900 medals lost.

00:39:13.640 Yes, I was glad that that came out today.

00:39:16.220 I was very glad that came out today because the one lawyer got up there and was like, oh, this is BPJ's lawyer.

00:39:22.020 And the lawyer was like, oh, there were no cuts.

00:39:25.500 So BPJ did not.

00:39:26.640 He didn't cost anybody their place on the team.

00:39:28.760 And he wasn't very good, so he didn't cost anybody, you know, any medals or scholarships.

00:39:34.200 And I think it was in rebuttal, but one of the other lawyers got up there and said, let me give you the stats.

00:39:39.900 Like, the U.N. just came out with this report.

00:39:41.680 It was like 600 girls lost 900 medals to boys playing.

00:39:47.080 This is a lie.

00:39:47.920 They continue to tell it.

00:39:49.420 John Oliver told this lie on his show.

00:39:51.400 My daughter's history teacher last year told this lie to her and her friend, saying, it's not happening, Kristen.

00:39:59.620 There just really aren't boys playing in girls' sports taking their medals.

00:40:02.960 Well, a significant portion of our work has been dealing with how gender ideology is affecting all Americans and, frankly, all around the world.

00:40:11.920 You know, the U.N. report, as an example, was a central feature of a hearing that we testified at, along with the author of that report.

00:40:19.180 And Sharon Davies, an example, this is happening around the world where they are losing these medals.

00:40:23.960 In addition, when we talk about the work that Alliance Defending Freedoms had to do in these areas, you know, lies can't exist without censorship taking place.

00:40:31.260 And so we have to ensure that we can continue to speak freely and have the right to raise our kids consistent with the belief that men and women are different and to celebrate that.

00:40:41.360 And that's the underlying issue here and what's really going on.

00:40:45.000 The last thing I want to make sure is clear.

00:40:47.940 You know, it's not about not having a team to play on.

00:40:52.020 It's that athletics, biological differences matter.

00:40:54.740 And so the biological boys need to play in their category and the girls play in theirs or they can play co-ed or actually the girls, even who identify as boys, can play in the boys category because the laws recognize these biological distinctions and say, no, the girls don't have an unfair advantage.

00:41:12.980 So, again, I think that the issues get distorted in the press and how they're recounted.

00:41:17.960 But I am optimistic that the court's going to rule the right way.

00:41:20.680 I am also resolved that we have a lot more work to do before we ensure that the next generation doesn't have to deal with this ideology that crushes people and families.

00:41:31.960 Yes, we will cover the Eighth Circuit argument that you have coming up in two days.

00:41:36.180 I will see you tonight.

00:41:37.780 And, again, my profound thanks to you and Alliance Defending Freedom.

00:41:42.360 We're looking forward to celebrating tonight.

00:41:44.400 So thanks for joining us at it.

00:41:46.000 Oh, I can't wait.

00:41:47.000 Okay, so Kristen had to run, but I do want to just give you a couple of thoughts of my own.

00:41:51.720 I didn't want to suck up the top of the hour.

00:41:53.120 I wanted to get right to her.

00:41:54.220 I'm just going to give you a couple of thoughts of my own on today in addition to what we just discussed.

00:42:00.020 I'm sorry, but I cannot believe that Ketanji Brown-Jackson is a U.S. Supreme Court justice.

00:42:04.580 Everything she asked was ideological.

00:42:06.320 Every single question seemed designed to promote or justify or give her the ammo to support her ideology.

00:42:15.180 I didn't even understand exactly what she was saying in some of these questions.

00:42:20.700 I was just sort of like the dog that cocks its head, like, huh, huh?

00:42:24.300 Sotomayor, same.

00:42:26.340 Alito, a hero.

00:42:28.120 Roberts was great today.

00:42:30.020 Thomas, of course, stalwart.

00:42:32.500 Gorsuch, uh-uh.

00:42:34.280 Kavanaugh, pretty good.

00:42:36.760 Pretty good, I thought.

00:42:37.580 Not totally sure where he's going on the second round, you know, what to do about the 23 blue states that have laws allowing it because we need those struck down.

00:42:48.380 We need to win these laws.

00:42:49.440 The bans need to be upheld, and the laws allowing it need to be struck down because women's rights are women's rights, period. 1.00

00:42:55.460 These girls have the right to participate in their own sports without boys coming in and under Title IX as well.

00:43:00.360 So both of those things are equally important, and we'll see, you know, we'll see on part two.

00:43:06.740 Barrett, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh seemed a little shaky to me on that second piece of it.

00:43:14.020 Surprisingly, I kind of got a good vibe from Roberts on it.

00:43:16.920 Definitely Alito and Thomas.

00:43:18.380 So we'll see.

00:43:19.980 Elena Kagan is smart.

00:43:21.480 She's not, you know, she's a lib. 1.00

00:43:24.680 But she's like a normal lib who asks normal lib questions. 1.00

00:43:28.080 She's not some insane lunatic.

00:43:29.800 Sotomayor is a partisan hack who doesn't seem like she's going to make it another five years on the bench. 0.71

00:43:35.040 I mean, she truly was like slovenly. 1.00

00:43:37.660 Can you be slovenly while sitting on the high court bench in like your robe and you're down here?

00:43:42.900 Like, hello, over here, over here, Sonia.

00:43:47.760 And just overall, I love the Supreme Court.

00:43:50.180 I love listening to the arguments.

00:43:51.960 It was, you know, I'm not going to lie.

00:43:53.320 It took like four hours.

00:43:55.060 So it was a little long and could have been a little snappier.

00:43:58.980 But I love being back there.

00:44:00.240 It's such a distinguished, beautiful body.

00:44:03.080 And we're lucky to have them.

00:44:05.360 And we are super lucky to have the majority right now.

00:44:07.480 I think this case is going to come out the way we want.

00:44:09.740 Fingers crossed.

00:44:10.580 Say a prayer.

00:44:11.400 Literally say a prayer.

00:44:12.420 Because I do think God has a role in making sure this wrong gets righted.

00:44:16.960 God bless Kristen. 1.00

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00:45:57.040 He's host of The Andrew Klavan Show on The Daily Wire and author of the novel, After That, The Dark.

00:46:04.060 Andrew, welcome back.

00:46:05.180 It's great to have you.

00:46:06.100 So I'll just ask you quickly, I don't know if you've been following the coverage of today's Supreme Court arguments, but it was a theater of the absurd with the preferred pronouns being used by everybody, biological reality out the window, cisgender being thrown around there, which is a slur.

00:46:23.860 I don't need cisgender woman. 1.00

00:46:25.360 I'm a woman.

00:46:26.260 That's it.

00:46:26.820 Period.

00:46:27.080 For those of us who are actual women, don't call us cisgender.

00:46:30.160 We're women. 1.00

00:46:30.960 Period.

00:46:31.440 Nothing comes before it.

00:46:32.600 Nothing comes after it.

00:46:33.940 And then these lawyers standing up there trying to argue that a male who went through male puberty has no biological advantage over a woman so long as he's taking something to suppress his testosterone a little bit.

00:46:44.780 I mean, it was just insane.

00:46:45.640 Well, it's insane.

00:46:47.580 The whole situation is so insane that a college professor who's unhappy with her own sexuality can write a theory and talk an entire nation, an entire culture, really, out of one of the essential facts of human life.

00:47:00.840 Not one of the essential facts of human life, one of the greatest facts of human life, the thing from which most of our joy comes from, most of our pleasure comes from, our lives come from, the difference between men and women, which is supposed to be something that we celebrate and love, even as it causes us all the troubles that romance causes us. 0.78

00:47:17.280 And it's just amazing that a theory, a theorist with no scientific backing, with absolutely all the science speaking against her, can talk a culture out of that.

00:47:27.000 That's an amazing power that we give to intellectuals and to academics who are coming out of just their own heads without consulting anything.

00:47:37.440 Why this should even be a conversation.

00:47:39.420 And you guys, I heard you guys talking about Gorsuch, his decision in Bostock from a guy who says he's an originalist, nobody who originally wrote a law.

00:47:47.280 Was thinking of anything but women when they mentioned women or anything but men when they mentioned men.

00:47:52.360 And so there's absolutely no reason, you know, to accept even people cross-dressing, which can be offensive in a society.

00:47:59.400 There's absolutely no reason why you should have to hire somebody who is cross-dressing simply because a woman can wear a skirt so a man can wear a skirt. 0.88

00:48:06.620 No, we live in a society. Our society has traditions and norms.

00:48:10.040 And if you're in business, you want those traditions and norms to be upheld.

00:48:14.540 But far beyond that, if you're dealing with the actual physical differences that come up and are so important in sports, you know, you have to deal with them.

00:48:23.480 And I'm somebody who I love NFL football.

00:48:25.900 I watch these guys run into each other in ways that would break my bones.

00:48:29.320 I can only I can't even think of what would happen if they ran into a female. 1.00

00:48:33.080 And so if you follow this to its absolute logical conclusion, you simply have dead bodies lying up over a hundred yard field.

00:48:39.840 You know, it's insane. It is insane.

00:48:41.440 And the fact that we can be talked out of reality by a college professor's theory or a movement that basically backs it up by screaming at people is insane on its face.

00:48:51.100 And to see the U.S. Supreme Court have to go along with it.

00:48:54.080 I mean, the conservative justices were just being polite and trying to maintain decorum.

00:48:59.080 They don't believe this.

00:49:00.020 They do not believe you can call a he or she or that a man can become a woman.

00:49:03.880 There's just no way. 0.96

00:49:04.740 But we all had to engage in this false bullshit today because that's what you do with the U.S. Supreme Court. 0.97

00:49:10.440 It was not fun to listen to in that in that way. 0.98

00:49:12.720 OK, let's keep going.

00:49:13.420 There's so much news and I don't have you for that much long for that for a long time.

00:49:16.940 I want to hit Minnesota where there is new video today revealing, I think, I don't know who this is.

00:49:24.720 There are reports that it's Renee Good's partner or wife, but I don't think it actually is.

00:49:30.240 I think it's somebody else who videotaped the whole thing from behind the confrontation.

00:49:33.880 But would you listen to the question this person shouted at the cops after Renee Good was shot after she accelerated her car into an officer?

00:49:44.300 Stop 51.

00:49:44.980 Why did you have real bullets?

00:49:48.460 Yeah.

00:49:48.760 Yeah.

00:49:50.920 Well, I mean, I think that tells you everything you need to know.

00:50:05.440 It's a game.

00:50:06.020 It's theater to them.

00:50:07.700 Everything in this has been theater.

00:50:09.560 When you have the mayor basically deciding the case after looking at one of the many, many videos that are very difficult to interpret.

00:50:16.840 When you have the governor of the state come out and say that he's going to call out the National Guard essentially to fight with federal forces, which is a declaration of civil war.

00:50:27.980 It's all fun and games and it's all make believe.

00:50:30.840 And it's it's absolutely it's really disturbing.

00:50:34.760 I mean, this is a conversation that I feel was interrupted after Charlie Kirk was murdered.

00:50:39.760 The revelation of just how violent, how lawless, how destructive the left is in this country while claiming that the right is all those things.

00:50:50.080 There are obviously always going to be bad guys on both sides.

00:50:52.700 But that's not the issue.

00:50:53.720 The issue is this is a movement that is anti the founding of this country, that believes it has the right to commit acts of violence, that will talk you out of this burning down a city.

00:51:05.000 They say they'll tell you that that's not an act of violence because it's an act against property, as if property were not an extension of the people who build it in the place that holds their hopes and dreams and lives.

00:51:15.840 I just think, you know, this is a reality that I don't feel the right has gotten its its its head around.

00:51:21.520 I mean, I am I am all for, as you know, you and I have talked about this.

00:51:24.940 I am all for dispelling and intellectually browbeating the the Jew aiders and the conspiracy theorists among us. 1.00

00:51:31.640 But we we have got to bring the right together.

00:51:34.760 I mean, when I'm when I say this, this left is so violent and so lawless and so dangerous.

00:51:40.900 And we defeated them.

00:51:42.160 We defeated them in the last election, not just because of the great candidacy of Donald Trump,

00:51:46.520 but because a phalanx of rebel media that included Megyn Kelly and Ben Shapiro and the Babylon Bee and even guys who are not that political like Joe Rogan

00:51:56.540 and even people on the left like Bill Maher, who at least believe in freedom.

00:52:00.200 These people have got to stick together and stop squabbling among themselves because I totally agree.

00:52:06.080 The threat we face is so I will say for the record, one's attempt to forge, you know, reconciliation in this lane can go completely on unrewarded.

00:52:17.600 It's and it's insane.

00:52:19.100 It's insane.

00:52:19.680 I well, listen, I agree, and especially on social media where people forget that they're talking to actual other human beings

00:52:26.100 and use kinds of language against each other that is completely uncalled for.

00:52:30.380 You know, I think in the battle of ideas, that is one thing.

00:52:33.620 And the battle of ideas is serious.

00:52:34.960 And I think we should all take it seriously.

00:52:36.880 But in the absolute personal attacks that I see on the right, I think they're not taking the left as seriously as they should.

00:52:44.060 And they're not remembering that's the enemy.

00:52:46.180 What happened?

00:52:46.760 The enemy.

00:52:47.060 What's happening in Minnesota proves that better than anything like it's and it's not just like the crazy loons leftists who are like crying on camera, who are kind of funny.

00:52:57.140 It's the ones who are actually out there. 0.94

00:52:59.880 They're threatening to kill us.

00:53:01.800 They're loading their guns.

00:53:03.380 They're doing videos of it.

00:53:04.760 And they're saying they're going to take out, yes, ICE agents, which is bad enough, but also MAGA, like literally threatening us, which they just did with Charlie.

00:53:13.120 They celebrated the murder by Luigi Mangione of the – that guy wasn't MAGA, but like they're fine with political violence.

00:53:20.620 That's like what I've been trying to say all along, Andrew, is like we do have defined enemies and we must band together in defeating them because it's like they're – it's at a crescendo right now.

00:53:31.080 It's almost at like a genuinely frightening crescendo on the left.

00:53:34.680 And they're pointing to us, saying we're the ones crescendoing it.

00:53:37.400 That's right.

00:53:38.040 That's right.

00:53:38.440 They can pick out the outsiders among us and make believe that they're the same as the insiders among us, the AOCs and the mayor of the city of New York, who is really one of – I think one of the worst people in the country. 0.51

00:53:49.920 And really has to be – they have to be battled.

00:53:52.280 And, you know, we forget so quickly – and this is partly the media does this, even to people on the right.

00:53:58.300 We forget so quickly what happened under the Biden administration, the parents protesting pornography, homosexual pornography in their elementary schools, who were threatened with investigation by the FBI as terrorists.

00:54:10.200 The people who went to Latin mass were threatened by the FBI.

00:54:13.580 The people knocked off social media for their opinions, including the president of the United States, you know, who were banned and silenced.

00:54:20.800 We came this close to losing our First Amendment under the Biden regime, and it really was close.

00:54:27.380 And we've got to remember the power that we have amassed by being a fearless rebel media that speaks its mind and that allows people in.

00:54:38.380 You know, when I mentioned Bill Maher, I mentioned him on purpose because I always have respected him, even though I disagree with him 85 percent of the time.

00:54:44.800 I've always respected the fact that he'll bring on Ann Coulter, that he'll talk to Ben, you know, he'll talk to anybody, basically, because he believes in the founding.

00:54:52.220 I think that's the battle we're in.

00:54:53.500 It's not between left and right.

00:54:55.120 It's between those who believe in the founding of this country and why we wrote the laws the way we did and why we set up the Constitution the way we did and the people who don't believe it.

00:55:02.620 They just believe, oh, it was a bunch of white guys who hated black people and they owned slaves and that's evil and let's knock down their statues and build statues of George Floyd instead. 0.93

00:55:10.740 I mean, those people are not just crazy. 0.99

00:55:13.480 They are freaking dangerous and they're close. 0.96

00:55:15.840 You know, they not only dominate one of our major two parties, they are absolutely in control of one of our major two parties, which was not always the case. 0.55

00:55:23.940 But they also dominate our huge swaths of our press.

00:55:28.280 And, you know, I think that even even some of the press that I would call right leaning, they don't understand it.

00:55:35.120 They do not understand.

00:55:36.280 Oh, listen, listen, let me let me play you a little sampling.

00:55:38.780 OK, this is Democrats and media, but I repeat myself.

00:55:41.820 But just take it.

00:55:42.780 Here's a little flavor of how they've been talking about the Minnesota case.

00:55:46.360 SOT 53.

00:55:48.240 That ICE agent murdered a woman in Minneapolis.

00:55:50.840 This officer not only needs to be fired and suspended, but based on the video, he needs to be charged with murder.

00:55:59.420 I'm mad.

00:56:00.040 I'm pissed off.

00:56:01.180 This looks like murder.

00:56:02.960 ICE has gone rogue.

00:56:05.440 That officer needs to be arrested and prosecuted.

00:56:09.640 When I look at that video, I see murder. 1.00

00:56:13.020 I will not be fucking gaslighted by these people. 1.00

00:56:16.160 Jonathan Ross murdered her. 1.00

00:56:17.480 OK, here's one more.

00:56:20.340 SOT 52.

00:56:21.020 This is the newly reformed CBS News.

00:56:23.380 The reporter Nicole Saganja.

00:56:27.200 DHS this weekend released a video showing the minutes leading up to the murder of Renee Good.

00:56:32.900 She and others are heard honking car horns.

00:56:36.580 Trump administration officials have claimed she intended to ram ICE agents before she was shot.

00:56:42.000 Well, there's only two options, Andrew. 1.00

00:56:44.140 It's either stupidity or intentional malfeasance. 1.00

00:56:47.100 Oh, it's intentional. 1.00

00:56:47.960 It's intentional malfeasance.

00:56:49.460 Listen, even though you guys were talking about language when you were talking about the Supreme Court and even the language they use when they say you have a right to protest in this country.

00:56:57.060 Absolutely.

00:56:57.460 If you want to stand off on the sidelines with a sign saying, if you're really, really nice, you get to break our immigration laws, go right ahead. 0.93

00:57:05.400 But these people are throwing things at federal law enforcement officers who are actually doing what they're hired to do.

00:57:12.560 It's not like they're breaking the law.

00:57:13.980 It's not like they're being abusive.

00:57:15.380 They're actually doing what they're supposed to do, which is enforce federal law.

00:57:19.240 And and people are debating whether the wheels were turned quite toward the agent when she tried to run him over.

00:57:24.900 And are saying, well, he could have jumped out of the way or, you know, he should shoot to wound like an episode of the Lone Ranger television program from the 1950s.

00:57:33.540 You know, it's like it's like it's nonsense.

00:57:35.380 And these are guys.

00:57:36.420 The main thing you want in this situation is that law enforcement goes home safe.

00:57:40.260 That's the that's the main thing I want.

00:57:41.660 I want to know that law enforcement can enforce our laws and go home to their families without being injured.

00:57:46.520 And if you're out there injuring them, you know, listen, I am not somebody at all who is celebrating the death of Renee Good.

00:57:54.180 You know, that's not at all what I'm doing.

00:57:55.780 I'm just saying, you know, when you do that to a law enforcement officer, you're risking your life.

00:58:00.940 And it's not his fault if you lose it.

00:58:02.820 That is the only thing.

00:58:03.700 And it's terribly sad and it's terribly bad.

00:58:05.640 But it's not the fault of the officer at all.

00:58:08.360 And that's the general.

00:58:09.380 I agree.

00:58:10.080 It's sad she made the decisions she made that day.

00:58:13.080 That's what I'm sad about.

00:58:14.100 And that her children are paying the price for it.

00:58:16.480 No one wants to see a child suffer, but they are suffering right now because their mother's really terrible judgment.

00:58:22.220 I did want to show you a little bit of the flavor of the of the lunacy.

00:58:25.500 Speaking of like this is the enemy.

00:58:27.960 Let's run these thoughts.

00:58:29.140 There's Adam Minneapolis with the protesters yesterday.

00:58:33.500 Start with 59. 1.00

00:58:34.180 If they're going to murder us while calling us fucking bitches, then I think we need to be bigger fucking bitches. 1.00

00:58:42.040 Fuck ice. 1.00

00:58:43.360 So the world is on fire and things are horrendous right now. 1.00

00:58:47.960 And I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

00:58:49.560 I want to be clear where I stand. 1.00

00:58:51.280 Fuck ice. 1.00

00:58:52.800 If they come to my town, I will be in the streets defending my community. 1.00

00:58:57.060 Don't look away from this.

00:58:58.420 It is so important that we keep paying attention.

00:59:02.240 Hey, if you're a nice agent, this might be a good time to kiss your spouse and kids goodbye because you know what?

00:59:09.020 You might not be coming home tomorrow.

00:59:11.080 Wow.

00:59:11.560 Gladly.

00:59:12.340 And your family will be.

00:59:13.800 We need to have show up in big numbers, especially white people who are U.S. citizens and who speak English because.

00:59:20.780 White people, white people have a greater responsibility. 0.85

00:59:23.460 OK, I've just got one more for you, Andrew, and I'll give you the floor.

00:59:25.620 For speaking of the white people duty, Joy Reid felt the need to weigh in.

00:59:30.000 Here she is in stop 57.

00:59:32.520 This woman was part of a group of people who they train to try to be ice interrupters. 1.00

00:59:37.640 And what they try to do is observe what ice is doing, film them and try to use their white privilege, to be honest.

00:59:44.140 They're mainly white people.

00:59:46.040 Which is what we ask.

00:59:46.880 Which is what we ask them to do, right?

00:59:48.700 Yeah. 0.99

00:59:48.980 Because black people like we can't get on. 1.00

00:59:50.580 We can't put our bodies on the line because cops will shoot us. 0.99

00:59:52.980 And so the presumption had been, particularly a white woman, because remember, part of the rationale for doing this with ice is to save white women, pristine white women from being ravaged by, you know, criminal brown men. 0.96

01:00:05.420 Great. 0.95

01:00:05.740 I'm in favor.

01:00:06.640 White women have been taking the lead in being the ones to step. 1.00

01:00:10.180 Wow.

01:00:10.840 Great. 0.98

01:00:12.160 Is there some problem with having white women get saved from rapes, Joy? 0.98

01:00:16.100 Anyway, you get the flavor, right? 0.99

01:00:17.920 You get the flavor.

01:00:18.360 Yeah, absolutely.

01:00:19.600 And this race thing, I mean, it's the same with every social movement in America.

01:00:24.200 It starts out with a perfectly reasonable ask.

01:00:27.100 You know, can we please, you know, not ban black people from using the same bathrooms as white people?

01:00:32.000 And it ends up being taken over by the left and being turned into the exact opposite of what it's supposed to be.

01:00:38.340 Civil rights is now in this country a racist movement.

01:00:41.600 It didn't start out that way.

01:00:43.100 They promised us it wasn't going to become that way.

01:00:45.060 But that is what it's become.

01:00:46.200 And the other day, Donald Trump said, because of civil rights laws, white people are being mistreated.

01:00:50.300 And everybody said, oh, how shocking.

01:00:52.060 What a terrible thing.

01:00:53.300 He's right.

01:00:54.120 He's absolutely right.

01:00:55.860 Because the left takes over every social movement.

01:00:58.620 And the reason, look, the reason is we're blind in one eye because of our media's corruption and because of our academy's corruption and because of Hollywood's corruption.

01:01:06.540 We see everything through the left wing perspective, every single thing.

01:01:11.340 And it affects even right wing people's thinking.

01:01:13.800 They don't understand how dangerous the left is.

01:01:16.220 And when you're talking, that's just pure racism.

01:01:18.440 It's pure racism that they're talking.

01:01:20.180 They're spewing this hatefulness. 0.90

01:01:22.260 And I'm as against racism now against white people as I was when it was against black people.

01:01:26.940 There's absolutely no difference in my mind.

01:01:29.080 Either it's right to judge people by the color of their skin or it's wrong.

01:01:32.620 And I say it's wrong, and I say that on biblical principles, but I say it also on just moral principles.

01:01:38.200 It's wrong to judge people by the color of their skin, but that's whatever color it is.

01:01:42.800 And, you know, I keep hearing this word white used as a pejorative.

01:01:47.180 You know, if you can do that, then you can use black as a pejorative, too. 0.94

01:01:50.220 And they've constructed, I know all the theories I've read, unfortunately for me, all the theories for my sins, by which they construct a fabric of lies that makes it allowable to be racist against white people when it's not allowable to be racist against black people. 0.96

01:02:05.960 It's a total grift. 0.76

01:02:07.160 It's not good thinking.

01:02:08.240 It's not reasonable thinking.

01:02:09.440 And the press just goes along and the Democrats just go along.

01:02:12.500 And it really is a shame.

01:02:14.020 And it's something that is just it's a frightening moment because Donald Trump is not as popular as I wish he was.

01:02:21.180 I mean, he's done he's done he's doing a great job, but he talks a lot.

01:02:24.900 He says a lot of things that they can pin on him.

01:02:27.600 And he's not that popular.

01:02:28.900 He's raised a good point many times about the economy, which is like I can't fix it overnight.

01:02:34.840 I guess it's been a year, but the economy is like a aircraft carrier.

01:02:38.780 Like that thing turns very slowly and he has been trying.

01:02:43.420 He has been trying.

01:02:44.420 But I think Trump believes he's entitled to a little bit more grace in actually, you know, seeing the results translate into people's pocketbooks.

01:02:52.020 And I agree with him on that.

01:02:53.340 Like he's rolled back regulations.

01:02:55.240 He's gotten so much investment by corporate America and the corporate world into the United States.

01:03:02.200 He's pressured companies into keeping their manufacturing companies here.

01:03:05.560 He's using the tariffs or trying to in a way that he thinks is actually going to ultimately bring down costs.

01:03:11.460 You know, it's up for debate, but he is you can't say he's not trying.

01:03:15.360 And so I think like he's right that he deserves a little bit more time.

01:03:18.540 And I think those approval numbers will go up once people start to feel the relief of the economic pain they're under.

01:03:25.460 There's there's a bunch to get to still.

01:03:27.240 I really want to talk to you about Scott Adams.

01:03:29.900 I'm devastated.

01:03:30.800 So it's so sad.

01:03:32.380 Yeah.

01:03:32.760 Devastated.

01:03:33.240 But wait, I just want to do one news item before we get to Scott, which is the Clintons.

01:03:40.040 Bill Clinton.

01:03:41.680 Is it Bill and Hillary were supposed to show up today?

01:03:43.980 At least Bill was supposed to show up today and testify before the House Oversight Committee on Epstein.

01:03:51.580 You know, they're doing this big probe into what really happened and what they're learning in these documents.

01:03:56.780 And Hillary is supposed to show up tomorrow. 0.99

01:03:58.520 Also, we'll see if she shows up.

01:03:59.980 But listen to Representative James Comer today.

01:04:03.360 It's at 75.

01:04:04.700 This is the amount of preparation that went into this deposition today.

01:04:09.160 These were the questions that we were prepared to ask.

01:04:11.700 We've communicated with President Clinton's legal team for months now, giving them opportunity after opportunity to to come in, to give us a day.

01:04:22.800 And they continue to delay, delay, delay to the point where we had no idea whether they're going to show up today or not.

01:04:29.680 I think it's very disappointing.

01:04:30.840 As a result of Bill Clinton not showing up for his lawful subpoena, which, again, was voted on unanimously by the committee in a bipartisan manner.

01:04:41.020 OK, so she's supposed to show up tomorrow and she says she won't.

01:04:45.000 And now they are defying a government subpoena.

01:04:48.360 They are risking being held in contempt of Congress, which is what sent our pal Steve Bannon to jail, which is what sent Peter Navarro to jail.

01:04:57.020 So good luck with that.

01:04:58.120 But they were scheduled to appear for these closed doors depositions today and tomorrow in a letter.

01:05:03.500 Attorneys for the Clinton say they won't be complying, writing President and Secretary Clinton have already provided the limited limited info they possess about Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell to the committee.

01:05:13.320 They did so proactively and voluntarily.

01:05:15.520 And despite the fact that the subpoenas are invalid and legally unenforceable, why?

01:05:19.520 Why? Untethered to a valid legislative purpose, unwarranted because they do not seek pertinent information and an unprecedented infringement on the separation of powers.

01:05:30.360 OK. The attorneys called the episode nothing more than a ploy to attempt to embarrass political rivals, as President Trump has directed.

01:05:37.520 Wow. So they're not going, Andrew.

01:05:40.760 And you tell me whether their next trip should be to Rikers.

01:05:45.940 Absolutely. At least be given house arrest in Steve Bannon's house.

01:05:49.540 I think that would be an even partial punishment.

01:05:51.460 You know, it is it is this thing that they do with the law, though.

01:05:55.200 They talk about the rule of law, the rule of law, the rule of law until it's them, until it has to do with, you know, attacking an ICE agent or denying a subpoena or anything else they want to do.

01:06:04.560 The stuff that Jack Smith have I got his right first name right is Jack Smith.

01:06:08.720 Right. The guy went after the prosecutor, went after Trump.

01:06:11.800 The thing he's been saying to Congress behind closed doors, his interpretation of the law, which would essentially erase the First Amendment.

01:06:19.060 This is it is a really interesting mindset that the people who vote for Democrats aren't sitting back and saying, well, wait a minute.

01:06:29.060 You know, I actually was in I'm in favor of the rule of law.

01:06:32.440 I was in favor of them taking away Steve Bannon.

01:06:35.440 So why shouldn't I be in favor of them taking away Bill Clinton?

01:06:38.580 It's funny that they don't say that, because even even I say that from time to time when a right winger goes astray, I say, you know, hey, if it's sauce for the gander, sauce for the goose.

01:06:47.200 But they don't. It just absolutely stops at the Republicans door.

01:06:50.740 The rule of law just is only for Republicans.

01:06:53.020 It's the way they think now.

01:06:55.040 No. So I look forward to watching what happens next.

01:06:57.460 And I really do hope that there is because, you know, what's happened in the past, like Merrick Garland got found in contempt of Congress.

01:07:05.040 Yes. But surprise, surprise, there was no prosecution because he was the attorney general who would have to do the prosecuting.

01:07:09.800 But things have changed. And right now, Pam Bondi is the attorney general.

01:07:15.120 And I don't like their chances if they thumb their nose at this Congress over at DOJ.

01:07:21.960 I think this DOJ is dying to do something to enforce the wheels of justice against people like the Clintons.

01:07:28.160 And this may be just the excuse they need to do it.

01:07:31.200 OK, let's keep going.

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01:09:21.180 She saved so much, she got her seat close enough to actually see and hear them.

01:09:26.120 Sort of.

01:09:26.820 You were made to scream from the front row.

01:09:29.700 We were made to quietly save you more.

01:09:32.060 Expedia. Made to travel.

01:09:34.420 Savings vary and subject to availability.

01:09:36.140 Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly.

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01:10:13.260 I was in the Supreme Court all morning and did not know that Scott died.

01:10:19.560 He had just said the other day, he had just said on his show, that when you deteriorate markedly from month to month, you should have months left to live.

01:10:30.900 That when it happens week to week, you should have weeks, and when it happens day to day, you probably have just days.

01:10:37.680 And a couple days later, he died, and he said he thought he had months.

01:10:41.260 He said he thought he had months left, so it happened quickly.

01:10:44.880 And his ex-wife, Shelly Miles Adams, went on his feed today and delivered the following message, SOT 71.

01:10:52.580 Everyone, unfortunately, this isn't good news.

01:10:59.580 Of course, he waited until just before the show started, but he's not with us anymore.

01:11:07.000 He has a final message that he wanted to say.

01:11:10.620 Many of my Christian friends have asked me to find Jesus before I go.

01:11:14.600 I'm not a believer, but I have to admit the risk-reward calculation for doing so looks so attractive to me.

01:11:25.080 So here I go.

01:11:27.600 I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and look forward to spending an eternity with him.

01:11:35.560 The part about me not being a believer should be quite quickly resolved if I wake up in heaven.

01:11:43.780 What a great line.

01:11:47.380 What a great line.

01:11:48.100 Classic Scott Adams, offbeat, out of left field, and beautiful.

01:11:53.800 And, you know, it's Pascal's wager.

01:11:55.620 It's got a long tradition.

01:11:57.940 You know, Pascal was a great mathematician who converted to Christianity, and he said it only makes sense that you're risking eternity.

01:12:03.700 It only makes sense to believe because you don't lose anything by believing, but you could gain eternity, and it's worth the wager.

01:12:10.020 And so that was what Scott was saying.

01:12:11.360 You know, he was—listen, it's funny.

01:12:14.120 I used to listen to Scott all the time, and I had him on my show very early on when he started talking about political things and just really liked him.

01:12:22.300 If he would ask me do I agree with, like, 50 percent of what he said, I probably would have said no, but who cares, you know?

01:12:28.900 I mean, he was a creative, original guy, full of goodwill, almost always gracious, which I really appreciate in this atmosphere.

01:12:36.380 I mean, he was always gracious to the people he attacked.

01:12:39.280 He would always tell people he was a far leftist.

01:12:41.960 I didn't see—really see a lot of evidence of that, but he claimed it all the time.

01:12:48.340 But a big Trump supporter, the press, of course, the New York Times, and one of the pettiest, meanest little headlines I've ever seen,

01:12:56.020 said he was a popular cartoonist until his racist remarks caused him to be canceled.

01:13:01.260 He never made racist remarks.

01:13:03.140 He said that a poll showing that more than half of black people didn't like white people,

01:13:08.240 he said you might want to avoid people on the basis of that because they're hostile.

01:13:13.480 That's not a racist remark.

01:13:14.700 That's about hostility and about the way people feel.

01:13:17.000 So, and just the wickedness of the left in these moments is a little hard to take, but the memory of Scott Adams is a beautiful one.

01:13:26.300 I mean, you know, the Jews say, may his memory be a blessing.

01:13:29.000 I think it will be a blessing.

01:13:30.340 He was just a guy who came with these ideas that sometimes you just sit and blink and have to think about him all day long

01:13:36.300 because you weren't sure where he was coming from, and yet they were really helpful to people.

01:13:41.840 His advice, it's kind of like Jordan Peterson.

01:13:44.180 I frequently disagree with Jordan Peterson.

01:13:45.680 His advice is always great.

01:13:47.340 Scott's advice was always great.

01:13:49.160 And again, always delivered with this kind of whimsical, hilarious, deadpan, gracious way of being.

01:13:57.960 He was a voice that made the internet better, which is not an easy thing to do.

01:14:03.340 And I'm really going to miss him.

01:14:05.040 I really think it's a sad day and happened way too soon at this point.

01:14:10.000 You know, sometimes, yeah.

01:14:11.620 68 years old, and I felt like he deserved more time.

01:14:15.020 You know, when he announced casually that he had metastatic prostate cancer and that it had spread to his bones right after Joe Biden's announcement came out,

01:14:22.580 he said, you know, not for nothing.

01:14:24.100 He goes, I have that too, and I don't have very long to live.

01:14:26.840 It was like, what?

01:14:28.140 Everyone was shocked, and it happened too fast.

01:14:32.100 You know, I just felt like we were owed more time, which, of course, is not how these things work.

01:14:36.400 Can I point out one thing that he said that I thought was important?

01:14:39.600 He said that when he started talking, supporting Trump, he lost his friends.

01:14:43.920 He lost a lot of his work.

01:14:45.020 He lost almost all of his speaking engagements.

01:14:46.820 He was making like 50 to 100 grand per speaking engagement.

01:14:50.540 And he said, and I may have lost my health, which at least is an indication that it was a tremendous stressor to him.

01:14:56.380 It was something that really got under his skin.

01:14:59.180 And I know people who have gotten very, very ill with fatal diseases, with potentially fatal diseases after going through stress like this.

01:15:07.200 And I think it is just a sad statement about our society that a guy of that much graciousness, wit, humor, and wild, you know, helpful ideas should feel that maybe his health was compromised by the way he was treated by our intellectual chattering classes.

01:15:24.120 He was brilliant, and he was the original Trump whisperer when nobody thought Trump could win.

01:15:33.400 I mean, early on in the 15-16 campaign, he said he's going to win.

01:15:38.160 And it was because he was an expert in persuasion.

01:15:42.680 He was a hypnotist, and he had learned it's like the same thing as persuasion.

01:15:47.400 And he had learned the way people who have high persuasion skills sound.

01:15:51.600 And he saw Trump doing it from the beginning.

01:15:54.220 And he used to do a lot of shows analyzing.

01:15:56.080 It was a very interesting thing to listen to.

01:15:58.620 And so that's why he predicted it when very few did.

01:16:01.380 I know some did, but very few did.

01:16:03.440 He saw it coming.

01:16:04.480 And, I mean, everything he – I watched his show from time to time.

01:16:08.360 It wasn't like a regular thing for me.

01:16:10.020 But every time I tuned in, I learned something.

01:16:12.260 Scott would make an interesting, quick prediction about something, and I'd be like, oh, my God, that's so obviously right.

01:16:16.520 Why didn't I think of that?

01:16:17.340 He just had a different way into every story, and he was very accurate in his ability to size people up, stories up, take something and be like, that's not going to happen.

01:16:27.960 That is going to happen.

01:16:29.020 I believe that.

01:16:29.840 I don't believe that.

01:16:30.540 And you're like, yeah, same, same as soon as you hear him say it.

01:16:33.720 But I do want to talk about the controversy because I'm disgusted.

01:16:38.540 People magazine.

01:16:39.880 Didn't I tell you, my friends in the audience, didn't I just say yesterday People magazine is a tabloid magazine?

01:16:46.600 They're the new gawker. 0.99

01:16:47.900 They're disgusting. 0.99

01:16:49.340 Stop buying People magazine. 1.00

01:16:51.280 They're gross.

01:16:52.740 They come out with a headline, Scott Adams disgraced Dilbert creator dies at 68. 0.99

01:17:00.180 This is so disgusting.

01:17:01.660 The Boston Globe, Scott Adams, Dilbert creator who veered into racist far-right commentary, dies.

01:17:10.300 That's their headline to sum up this man's life.

01:17:13.360 New York Times, breaking news, Scott Adams, whose comic strip Dilbert was a sensation until he made racist comments on his podcast, has died at 68.

01:17:25.660 And by the way, I'll get to the juxtaposition of the New York Times on Qasem Soleimani when he died versus what they're saying about Scott Adams.

01:17:38.100 But I do want to start with the People magazine piece.

01:17:42.160 I'm telling you, stop buying People magazine.

01:17:45.620 Stop going to their website online.

01:17:47.800 Don't support these people.

01:17:48.900 They are far left, they hate conservatives, and they've gone totally tabloid.

01:17:54.520 Matt Walsh posts the name of the writer who attacked Scott Adams.

01:17:59.140 It's Victoria Edel, E-D-E-L.

01:18:01.840 He writes, this is the monstrosity who wrote the Vile article.

01:18:04.940 Scott Adams was a great man, loved and mourned by millions.

01:18:07.980 This person is a nobody, loved by no one.

01:18:10.700 The world won't even notice when this person dies.

01:18:13.660 Now they took down her name and exchanged it for staff, staff at people because they don't want to take, you know, the responsibility for it.

01:18:25.100 And hold on, there was one more, you know, this is from Matt.

01:18:30.260 I'm trying to find it there.

01:18:31.280 It's mixed in.

01:18:31.940 I can't find it.

01:18:32.520 It's in the midst of all my Supreme Court messages.

01:18:34.760 My phone is a mess.

01:18:36.220 My team is going to help me with it.

01:18:37.640 But in the meantime, I want to read you this because there is a final message from Scott.

01:18:41.800 If you're reading this, things did not, what, Andrew has to go?

01:18:45.860 All right, I'll let you go, Andrew.

01:18:47.400 I'll just finish it up with the audience.

01:18:48.580 But thank you.

01:18:49.160 Thank you so much for being here.

01:18:50.280 I don't want to keep you in.

01:18:50.500 It's great to see you, Megan.

01:18:51.760 Thanks a lot.

01:18:52.240 It's always great to see you.

01:18:53.300 Bye-bye.

01:18:53.520 To be continued.

01:18:54.460 All right, so this is from Scott for the audience.

01:18:57.260 If you're reading this, things did not go well for me.

01:18:59.680 What a sweet opening line.

01:19:00.960 I have a few things to say before I go.

01:19:04.260 My body failed before my brain.

01:19:05.820 I am of sound mind as I write this January 1st, 2026.

01:19:10.180 If you wonder about any of my choices for my estate or anything else, please know I'm

01:19:14.560 free of any coercion or inappropriate influence of any sort, I promise.

01:19:18.500 Next, many of my Christian friends have asked me to find Jesus before I go.

01:19:23.580 I'm not a believer, but I have to admit the risk-reward calculation for doing so looks so

01:19:28.680 attractive.

01:19:29.580 So here I go.

01:19:31.460 You heard his ex-wife read some of this.

01:19:32.900 I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and I look forward to spending an eternity

01:19:37.160 with him.

01:19:39.460 The part about me not being a believer should be quickly resolved if I wake up in heaven.

01:19:43.780 I won't need any more convincing than that, and I hope I'm still qualified for entry.

01:19:47.980 With your permission, I'd like to explain something about my life.

01:19:51.380 For the first part of my life, I was focused on making myself a worthy husband and parent

01:19:54.760 as a way to find meaning.

01:19:57.080 That worked.

01:19:57.680 But marriages don't always last forever, and mine eventually ended in a highly amicable

01:20:02.140 way.

01:20:02.940 I'm grateful for these years, those years, and the people I came to call my family.

01:20:08.300 Once the marriage unwound, I needed a new focus, a new meaning.

01:20:12.240 And so I donated myself to the world, literally speaking the words out loud in my otherwise

01:20:17.400 silent home.

01:20:18.660 From that point on, I looked for ways I could add the most to people's lives one way or

01:20:22.680 another.

01:20:23.860 That marked the start of my evolution, from Dilbert cartoonist to an author of what I

01:20:30.000 hoped would be useful books.

01:20:31.980 Boy, was he ever.

01:20:34.000 By then, I believed I had amassed enough life lessons that I could start passing them on.

01:20:37.960 I continued making Dilbert comics, of course.

01:20:40.880 As luck would have it, I'm a good writer.

01:20:42.840 My first book in the useful genre was How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big.

01:20:48.140 That book turned out to be a huge success, often imitated and influencing a wide variety

01:20:52.120 of people.

01:20:53.160 I still hear every day how much that book changed lives.

01:20:56.980 My plan to be useful was working.

01:21:00.340 Yeah, bye.

01:21:01.460 Next page.

01:21:03.120 I followed up with my book Win Bigly, that trained an army of citizens how to be more

01:21:07.800 persuasive, which they correctly saw as a minor superpower.

01:21:11.420 I know that book changed lives because I hear it often.

01:21:14.200 You'll probably never know the impact the book had on the world, but I know, and it pleases

01:21:18.440 me while giving me a sense of meaning that is impossible to describe.

01:21:23.560 My next book, Loser Think, tried to teach people how to think better, especially if they

01:21:27.320 were displaying their thinking on social media.

01:21:29.700 That one didn't put much of a dent in the universe, but I tried.

01:21:32.840 Finally, my book, Reframe Your Brain.

01:21:35.460 He came out and promoted that with all of us.

01:21:38.040 Taught readers how to program their own thoughts to make their personal and professional lives

01:21:41.820 better.

01:21:42.260 I was surprised and delighted at how much positive impact that book is having.

01:21:48.220 I also started podcasting a live show called Coffee with Scott Adams, dedicated to helping

01:21:52.560 people think about the world and their lives in a more productive way.

01:21:56.540 I didn't plan it this way, but it ended up helping lots of lonely people find a community

01:22:00.240 that made them feel less lonely.

01:22:02.000 Again, that had great meaning for me.

01:22:06.740 I had an amazing life.

01:22:08.760 I gave it everything I had.

01:22:10.980 If you got any benefits from my work, I'm asking you to pay it forward as best you can.

01:22:16.640 That is a legacy I want.

01:22:18.500 Be useful.

01:22:19.700 And please know, I loved you all to the end.

01:22:22.820 Scott Adams.

01:22:23.900 Wow.

01:22:24.920 That's a beautiful message.

01:22:25.920 Gosh, he did so well.

01:22:27.140 He did so well right to the end with his messaging.

01:22:29.800 For all of us in giving of himself when he was so sick and in hospice care, which he announced

01:22:34.500 last week, why do the bad ones hang on forever and the good ones go so quickly?

01:22:39.800 Like, I don't know.

01:22:42.160 You just hear like someone terrible has something happen to them.

01:22:45.960 And like, then they linger for another 20 years.

01:22:49.180 Scott Adams announces six months ago that he's got metastatic prostate cancer and he's gone

01:22:54.060 in what felt like a heartbeat.

01:22:56.740 I loved, loved, loved listening to Scott.

01:23:02.080 I learned from Scott a lot.

01:23:05.060 I found so many useful nuggets in the lessons that he brought.

01:23:09.760 And he was one of my teachers.

01:23:11.840 And I'm really going to miss him.

01:23:13.780 I'm very sad for him.

01:23:14.940 I'm sad for his family.

01:23:16.280 And I'm sad for the right.

01:23:17.960 You know, like we keep losing people.

01:23:19.720 And it hurts. 0.96

01:23:22.780 It hurts like the movement, the pushback against the lunatic left.

01:23:27.000 We need people like Scott, like with genuine wisdom to give.

01:23:31.180 Gone too soon at 68.

01:23:33.820 And those, quote, eulogies offered by the mainstream do not do him justice.

01:23:40.620 How dare they take this one moment he had a couple of years ago.

01:23:44.380 And you guys remember, remember he came on here to talk about the controversy.

01:23:47.860 We were his first interview after he did that show talking about the poll on black people

01:23:55.480 not wanting to live near white people and him saying, you know, me either then.

01:24:00.680 You know, it was like, it was classic Scott because it was provocative and it was a little

01:24:04.540 tongue in the cheek and it was sort of part social experiment.

01:24:07.440 And he came on to explain all that to us.

01:24:10.400 Steve, can you find the episode number just in case people want to go back and listen to

01:24:13.460 it?

01:24:13.660 Um, well, no, I don't want to play it now.

01:24:18.740 I don't want to get back into it, but we'll find the episode number for you because we

01:24:21.660 talk about that in a bunch with him.

01:24:23.800 So he wasn't, but like to take that one moment, like that one controversy and make it his eulogy,

01:24:30.860 his obituary.

01:24:31.720 And in the headline, no less, after all the good he's done in the world, episode 638.

01:24:37.420 Thank you, 638.

01:24:39.280 It's just immoral.

01:24:41.600 It's immoral.

01:24:43.400 Like, why can't there be a bigger pull among the media to just, when you're eulogizing

01:24:50.280 someone, just try to stick to their best moments and bury the stuff you find controversial,

01:24:57.320 if you must put it in his obit, down by the bottom.

01:25:00.540 Um, what, how dare you put that into his head, his, the headline.

01:25:05.000 And I just think it's like, they would never do this to their side or to their heroes or

01:25:10.620 even to like villains.

01:25:12.620 I mentioned the thing about Soleimani.

01:25:16.800 Stand by now.

01:25:17.480 I'm going to read it to you here.

01:25:18.660 This is what they did to Scott Adams versus to Soleimani, a terrorist.

01:25:27.680 Um, okay.

01:25:30.240 Drew Holden found this online.

01:25:32.360 Scott Adams, audacious creator of the Dilbert comic strip, dies at 68.

01:25:37.160 His chronicle of a corporate cubicle dweller was widely distributed until racist comments

01:25:41.920 on his podcast led newspapers to cut their ties with him.

01:25:45.780 Here's Qasim Soleimani.

01:25:48.660 Qasim Soleimani, master of Iran's intrigue, built a Shiite axis of power in the Mideast. 0.90

01:25:56.840 The commander helped direct wars in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen, and became the face of

01:26:00.960 Iran's efforts to build a regional block of Shiite power.

01:26:04.080 Um, how about all of the stuff about his terrorism and the Americans he killed? 0.51

01:26:08.180 He killed Americans. 0.97

01:26:09.980 That didn't make it into the headline or the subhead.

01:26:13.180 But Scott Adams' comments, which again, they weren't actually racist.

01:26:19.500 You have to go back and listen to the episode.

01:26:21.640 But in the New York Times world, they were.

01:26:24.100 It's just wrong.

01:26:25.980 You know, I, I shudder to think what they'll do to me when hopefully many, many decades from now I pass. 0.98

01:26:32.920 But I also don't really give a shit because they don't define me and they don't define Scott. 0.97

01:26:38.360 And the people who love Scott and the people who love all of us listening to this show right now know who we are. 0.98

01:26:45.900 Right? 1.00

01:26:46.500 They don't believe this bullshit. 1.00

01:26:48.020 Like, being in the public eye, they will tear you limb from limb, even in death. 0.99

01:26:56.280 And all you can hope is that the people who did know you, who listened to you, in Scott's case, listened to your show, and maybe occasionally actually got something out of it, know in their hearts who you were.

01:27:08.840 I'm disgusted by People magazine.

01:27:11.100 I spit on People magazine.

01:27:13.100 I'm disgusted with the New York Times, as I am every day, and the Boston Globe, too.

01:27:19.120 Shame on you for joining in on this.

01:27:22.680 I'll miss him.

01:27:24.400 And I know millions of Americans will miss him.

01:27:27.280 And I know people listening to this show right now feel the same. 0.98

01:27:30.200 So thank you all for being not just truth tellers, but people who see through the bullshit. 0.98

01:27:35.820 And I believe the people listening to this show have been trained now that when you see anyone in the right wing getting piled on, and Scott may have called himself a leftist, but he was right wing. 0.98

01:27:49.200 He was a right wing savant.

01:27:52.160 Okay?

01:27:52.500 Whatever his positions were on various issues to issues, that's a different story.

01:27:56.060 But, like, he was ours.

01:27:58.000 He was.

01:27:58.840 By the end of his life, he was ours.

01:28:00.100 And it's perfectly fitting that he converted to Christianity right before he passed, that you have to take it all with so many grains of salt. 0.97

01:28:08.180 You have to take it all with, like, one of those huge salt mountains that you see in the wintertime before they go to salt the roads, you know, because they lie.

01:28:16.160 They lie, lie, lie about people like Scott, and it's deeply immoral to do it in the man's obit.

01:28:22.620 Anyway, what a show. 0.99

01:28:23.840 Gosh, thank you all for listening.

01:28:25.420 We've got another barn burner for you tomorrow where I'll be back in Connecticut, and we will have Emily Jashinsky. 0.76

01:28:31.840 There's going to be a lot to go over.

01:28:33.080 I can see it breaking on my phone right now.

01:28:35.120 We'll see you then.

01:28:37.420 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:28:39.500 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:28:42.040 We'll see you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 13, 2026

Massive Day For Women's Sports at SCOTUS, and Remembering Scott Adams, with Kristen Waggoner and Andrew Klavan ｜ Ep. 1229

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