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00:00:31.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.540 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.540 There's so much to get to today.

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00:01:10.400 Joining me now, Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show over at The Daily Wire.

00:01:14.920 Andrew is also a prolific author,

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00:02:15.580 Andrew, welcome back. Great to see you.

00:02:17.960 Great to see you, Megan. Thanks for having me.

00:02:19.700 So the left is losing its mind over these Trump cabinet picks. I mean, they're not grateful that

00:02:26.120 he chose Rubio for state or, you know, Elise Stefanik for the U.N. They're just spending all their time

00:02:33.840 telling us how radical he is because of Gates, Hegseth, and RFKJ and Tulsi. And the view got a

00:02:43.020 little, a little too excited in its coverage of Matt Gates the other day. And is this just the

00:02:51.960 apology video in number two, Deb? Okay. This is all of it. Okay. So here is where they misstepped

00:02:58.160 and then the hostage video that they were forced to read thereafter. Watch Saw 2.

00:03:03.340 How could you nominate someone with allegations of child trafficking across state lines and having

00:03:12.440 sex with a 17-year-old? My understanding, further on in the interview, they discussed the fact that

00:03:17.320 once he finds out that she's 17, he stops having sex with her.

00:03:20.940 I'm saddened by it. Because all of those women who will have to get some defense of what's happened

00:03:32.300 to them, that's who they're going to. And this is someone who will just say, it's not a big deal.

00:03:39.380 All those little kids who, you know, get abused.

00:03:43.240 What? They got no recourse now because this is what's in charge. Matt Gates has long denied all

00:03:51.400 allegations, calling the claims, quote, invented. And saying in a statement to ABC News that this

00:03:57.500 false smear following a three-year criminal investigation should be viewed with great

00:04:01.940 skepticism. That DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought.

00:04:07.480 Oh, my God. All those little kids who got abused have no recourse? This is about a child?

00:04:21.080 The worst of the allegations as we know them is that he denies it, but he's accused of having

00:04:27.780 an interlude with a 17-year-old who then, even his eyewitnesses who are against him say he didn't

00:04:36.460 know a 17, then stopped the relationship. This is the worst, the worst allegation against him,

00:04:42.140 which he denies. And the DOJ did not bring charges because they did not find these witnesses credible.

00:04:47.380 But in any event, it is that then he stopped the relation and resumed it when this young woman was

00:04:52.480 18. And from that, the view gets all these little kids who get abused by him now have no recourse.

00:04:59.960 Andrew, I can't.

00:05:03.100 Well, first of all, this is the party, not just of John F. Kennedy, but of Bill Clinton and of George

00:05:08.460 Stephanopoulos, who went from silencing the women who accused Clinton of rape and abuse to having a

00:05:14.780 major network anchor position on the basis of that work, basically. That was his requirements.

00:05:21.820 You know, one of the delicious things about the Trump election, and I'm finding it just absolutely

00:05:26.820 wildly ecstatic. I'm just loving every minute of this transition. This is the best transition ever.

00:05:32.640 And one of the best things about it is exposing the left's blindness to the way they've behaved,

00:05:38.760 because the appointments that Trump is making are appointments to departments and divisions that are

00:05:45.320 entirely out of whack, that have abused our rights, that have just been incompetent,

00:05:50.520 that have absolutely gone south in every possible way. And he's sending in bomb throwers. There's no

00:05:55.700 question about it. He's sending in guys who are going in there like Roto-Rooter to clean the places

00:06:01.020 out. And they're saying, you know, why should we ever do this? Why should we abandon longstanding

00:06:05.920 practices at Health and Human Services after Health and Human Services destroyed this country during the

00:06:13.060 COVID pandemic by acting so incompetently, so stupidly, so corruptly, and so oppressively

00:06:21.600 that anything you did to them would be an improvement. And the same, actually, with the Defense Department,

00:06:27.060 which has been a total mess under the Biden regime. I'm kind of past it. You know, I don't want criminals

00:06:32.300 appointed. I think if you have a criminal record, and it's an actual active criminal record, that could count

00:06:37.600 against you. But that these are bad boys that he sent in there really just doesn't bother me at all. I am absolutely

00:06:42.820 past caring what the left thinks of any about anything, because of the way they have treated us,

00:06:48.040 the oppression, the censorship, the lies, and the prosecuting their political opponents, and the

00:06:55.820 person of Donald Trump, and the people who followed him, and the people who protested peacefully

00:06:59.860 on January 6th. It's just been an absolute mess. So the fact that he's going in there with some bad

00:07:06.000 guys to take things apart does not bother me even a little bit. I cannot work myself up about it

00:07:11.420 in any way whatsoever. I can relate. I'm like, the more I see how much they hate him, the more I want

00:07:17.320 him. I know. It's great. It is great. And it's, it's such a rebuke to this system of the academy,

00:07:25.240 the media, and, you know, Hollywood and the bureaucracy that were thrown up against this guy

00:07:30.740 with all the force they had, all the lies they had, every statement he made taken out of context,

00:07:35.760 every gesture he made taken to mean something it didn't mean again and again and again, the people

00:07:40.260 show up and just said no. And, you know, people keep saying, well, he doesn't really have a mandate

00:07:44.540 because he's going to come out with about 50% of the vote to 48%, somewhere around there.

00:07:48.520 And they say, well, that's not a mandate. That's very close. But that's not the victory. The victory

00:07:52.740 is not Republicans over Democrats. It's not conservatives over liberals. It's Donald Trump

00:07:57.620 over the media and this shroud of lies that has basically been choking this country for decades at

00:08:04.380 this point. You know, it's just, it's just an amazing victory that he could actually come back from

00:08:09.600 where he was when they were counting him out, when they were throwing ridiculous charges against him,

00:08:13.920 when they were bending the law so that people could accuse him of things that had gone past the

00:08:19.020 limits of prosecution. It's just an amazing victory. And that's what's so delicious about it is not

00:08:25.480 the vote count, not the, I'm glad he won the popular vote, but still, it's not that that's so

00:08:30.000 wonderful. It's the destruction, the rebuke of this communication system that has throttled this

00:08:36.840 country and throttled conversation, throttled debate and throttled freedom for just so long. And it is a

00:08:43.100 major, major victory. So everything they say is just making me laugh with an evil kind of cartoon

00:08:48.580 villain laugh. Yeah. I've been practicing for years, by the way. Okay. Well, I'd love to hear it. I mean,

00:08:54.200 let's let her rip. I'm sure it'll pop up from time to time. Okay. Okay. Um, the, uh, the, you mentioned

00:09:01.080 that, that now they're trying to say, look, it's not a mandate. It's not a mandate. It's been very kind

00:09:05.260 of fun watching them try to find the little comforts, you know, like, well, he, he cheated on me,

00:09:11.200 but the woman wasn't a 10. She was like an eight. Okay. However you need to get yourself through

00:09:18.360 this crisis, go for it. Um, I'll, I'll give you, uh, Harry Enten on CNN doing a report on how

00:09:25.800 it's a victory, but it's a, it's a shitty victory. Watch look. Historically speaking,

00:09:32.480 Donald Trump is now under 50% in the national popular vote victory ranks 44th out of 51.

00:09:39.480 That ain't exactly strong. Some might argue that is weak, weak, weak in the words of Tony Blair. In

00:09:45.060 fact, his popular vote win at this point is the weakest going all the way back. You have to go

00:09:49.620 all the way back to 2000 to find a weaker one, a smaller popular vote victory than Donald Trump

00:09:54.320 currently has. So yeah, Trump has won the popular vote, but it ain't all that. My dear friend,

00:09:59.420 John Berman. George W. Bush had a bigger popular vote in 2000. So, you know, you talk about the Senate,

00:10:03.780 you know, short coattails states, Trump won, but Democrats won or leave in the Senate race.

00:10:08.840 Look at this in 2016, it was zero in 2020. It was zero in 2024. Look at this four States,

00:10:17.340 four States where a Senate democratic candidate won about the house. Well, we're talking about a

00:10:21.660 historically small majority potentially for the Republicans. The GOP would have a record small

00:10:26.300 majority if the current house results. What we're talking about is we're talking a very wide win

00:10:30.780 for Donald Trump, but the depth, it's not particularly deep. It's actually quite shallow,

00:10:35.680 historically speaking. Okay. Wide, but not deep. Shallow. His popular vote. What? His popular vote.

00:10:45.300 What? Is not impressive. A win. Win. And that's what we're talking about here.

00:10:50.600 Well, again, again, the blindness is the, is the best part about this because he was not running

00:10:56.800 against Kamala Harris. He was running against a massive, massive communications machine that the

00:11:03.380 left has built up and taken over, over the, over decades. And that has silenced people. I mean,

00:11:08.700 people have been afraid to say anything for fear that they will be thrown out of their jobs for fear

00:11:15.560 that they'll be thrown off social media. And the stuff that they've been afraid to say is all simple

00:11:21.000 truth. You know, it's like, was, was the last election? If you say, if you say that the last

00:11:26.100 election was a cheat in any way, you can get kicked off social media for damaging the trust of the

00:11:32.300 American people. Well, the last election, I don't know if it was stolen, but it was certainly rigged.

00:11:36.380 I mean, there were so many lies, so much, uh, you know, firepower, communication, firepower trained

00:11:41.500 on Trump. He did not beat Kamala Harris. He beat the whole deal. The fact that he got any kind of

00:11:49.080 popular majority is virtually a miracle. No one else could have done it. He did it. All the things

00:11:54.880 that bother people like me about Donald Trump were weapons at his command. The fact that I'm a polite

00:12:00.500 guy who doesn't like to see people talk the way Trump talks sometimes, that's what was required.

00:12:05.520 That was, you know, come at the hour, come at the man. That was what God needed to call forth in order

00:12:10.500 to defeat this absolute machine that the left had built up for silencing dissent. You know, you only had

00:12:17.660 to say, oh, these programs don't work to be called a racist, sexist, all the phobes, you know, I mean,

00:12:23.000 if you only had to notice that a lot of terrorists happened to be young Muslim men and suddenly you

00:12:27.400 were a bigot, it's, it's just an amazing, amazing thing. The, the actual efficiency of it, I kind of

00:12:33.960 respect it. You could come out one day after Barack Obama said, you know, oh, gay, I, marriage is between a

00:12:41.700 man and a woman and God is in the mix. One day after the Supreme court invents a right to gay

00:12:47.140 marriage in the constitution where it doesn't exist, the white house is turned a rainbow colored

00:12:53.380 and suddenly there is a pride month. Now, Megan, you and I are New Yorkers. We have absolutely no

00:12:58.860 wish to bother other people in their personal lives. I know, you know, we've talked about this

00:13:03.180 before, but I don't need a month to celebrate my pride in homosexuality. I'm not sure it's worth

00:13:09.800 even 10 minutes. You know, I think it's something that of course, you know, it's a difference that

00:13:14.160 we tolerate, but still that the absolute bully machine that these guys were capable of, of putting

00:13:20.520 into, into motion at a moment's notice is what is broken. And they don't realize it yet, but they

00:13:27.020 will slowly, they're going to suddenly find out that they have become incredibly irrelevant.

00:13:31.360 They've gone from being, wait, wait. So that's the perfect segue into Joe and Mika,

00:13:37.300 the perfect segue into those two losers. Yes. Irrelevance sort of just calls them right up,

00:13:41.420 doesn't it? Right, right. I mean, they're synonymous with it. So they went out on the air on Monday and

00:13:47.400 said they had gone to Mar-a-Lago to bend the knee. They, I was saying to Paul Murray on Sky News,

00:13:52.780 they didn't just bend the knee. They got down on their snake bellies and they slithered and they

00:13:58.260 licked the boot. They licked it. Yes. It tastes so good. I love the bottom of your boots, sir.

00:14:05.480 Please give it to me more. That's really what happened. Then they come back out on the air on

00:14:09.900 Monday and say like, oh, you know, we spoke truth to power. Why wouldn't we speak to Hitler,

00:14:15.760 the rapist, racist, bigoted, sexist, misogynist Hitler? That's just what we do as journalists.

00:14:22.920 And then they're already circling the bowl audience left in even greater numbers. So

00:14:30.260 as of Tuesday, they had shaved another tens of thousands more off their already terrible numbers

00:14:38.160 in the key demo of 25 to 54 year olds. They were down to 78,000 viewers on Tuesday, 78,000.

00:14:48.260 That is just a, what? 25,000 or so above what we call in the business slashies. If you get 50 grand

00:14:56.840 or under, they call them slashies. They don't give you the number. A slashy is unthinkable at Fox news.

00:15:03.300 There is no show that ever gets a slashy and MSNBC has been beyond the slashies now for a number of

00:15:10.060 years. Hello, Joe and Mika, you're back to slashy land. So they came out the next day already

00:15:17.380 experiencing the blowback because this meeting made no one happy and tried to tell us it wasn't

00:15:24.080 as we felt that actually everybody loved what they did. What they did was, was terrific and really

00:15:30.200 well received. Here's a bit of it. Yesterday I saw for the first time, what a massive disconnect there

00:15:36.600 was between social media and the real world, because we were flooded with phone calls from people all day,

00:15:44.820 literally around the world, very positive, very supportive, going, understand what you do,

00:15:49.860 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But once in a while, I would get a text or a call from someone

00:15:53.860 and go, oh man, I hope you're doing okay. And I'd call them back and I go, well, Eddie Gladwell

00:15:58.880 responded. We go, Eddie, are you on Twitter? And he goes, I am. I go, okay, well, I'm not.

00:16:03.640 So we've had a good day. All of us are going to do the best we can do. And we're all working

00:16:07.700 towards a better America. Take it day by day, day by day. And again, you can, you can, you can

00:16:14.540 predict the future by shaping the future. Okay. Twitter's not real life. You see in real life,

00:16:22.080 people loved that they went and met with president Trump, all 78,000 of them. They loved it out of an

00:16:28.080 audience that should be 600,000, but those people really loved it. Andrew don't believe your lion

00:16:33.860 eyes. And Comcast is ready to toss the entire station out the window. Can you blame them?

00:16:40.740 Separating themselves. They're going to sell them. Yeah. I may buy them. I mean, I, I don't know.

00:16:44.900 I'm not sure I can afford Rachel Mount Maddow's $30 million a year salary, uh, for bringing.

00:16:50.160 Let me ask you something. Let me ask you that. If you actually did buy Comcast or MSNBC,

00:16:53.740 because it's going to be spun off by Comcast, who, who would you fire first?

00:16:57.320 Well, if, if, if it's true that Rachel Maddow is making $30 million a year, I mean, I don't worry

00:17:04.580 about her because she can always, you know, make a living as a Michael Knowles lookalike. But I think

00:17:09.420 that it's, I mean, I think that it's insane to pay somebody that when nobody is watching her and for

00:17:15.660 one hour of television a week. I know. And, and Brian Stelter, you know, used to make the argument

00:17:20.520 when nobody was watching him, Brian Stelter used to make the argument. Well, yeah, but when they break

00:17:24.580 out our bits and they go out on YouTube and all this stuff and people don't watch them there as

00:17:28.840 well. And I suppose that was supposed to build up to a massive audience of people not watching them.

00:17:33.580 But I, you know, I, I think that they are useless and the thing that they never get to Brian Stelter

00:17:38.800 had this wonderful thread on X where he said, we need to fix, we need to win back our audience by

00:17:45.580 doing things like podcasts. We don't do enough podcasts. And I was like, stop lying. You got to

00:17:50.540 stop lying. That's the, that's number one. You can do a podcast. Number five is do a

00:17:54.560 podcast, but number one is stop lying. And, and they just lie in more places.

00:18:00.420 That's right. You know, the funny thing is, is a lot of people who voted for Donald Trump

00:18:04.180 didn't like Donald Trump, which is important. That's actually show shows in his favor. That

00:18:08.700 shows how bad they thought the other side was, how much they didn't believe them, how much they

00:18:14.660 thought. I saw a, a Kamala Harris voter interviewed and she said, well, maybe, maybe Trump will do some

00:18:21.280 good things like end all the wars and bring the economy back. And I thought, yeah, that would be

00:18:25.220 good. I'd be, was, was that voter Mika Brzezinski? Because that's how they're trying to sound like,

00:18:30.760 yeah, you know, we're open-minded now to Hitler. Sure. Okay. And Biden looks ecstatic. So he's,

00:18:37.240 at least somebody who's really happy about the results in the Democrat party.

00:18:39.840 Well, I do think it's very interesting that, uh, that Comcast chose now to announce it's going to

00:18:46.140 spin off its disgusting cable channel. And it's not because NBC news is doing so well and they just

00:18:52.860 want to separate the struggling MS from NBC. NBC is also doing very poorly. We've, we have beaten NBC

00:19:00.060 news on its YouTube feed for months now for months. We just my show, just this one show has beaten all

00:19:07.040 of NBC on their YouTube feed. They're, they're in a lot of trouble over there. So they're not doing

00:19:11.220 well either. So why spin off MSNBC? It's because it's the disgusting, like wart covered evil troll

00:19:19.480 that like came to live with you and wouldn't leave. Like they, they're looking at it like,

00:19:23.780 ew my God, what we don't want our vaunted today show anchors to have to associate with those

00:19:29.900 troll ogres over there who, as I point out, are on their bellies, licking the boot right now,

00:19:36.760 Mr. President, please let me back in the circles of power. No wonder they want to spin this thing

00:19:42.380 off. Well, you know, we keep, we keep, we on the right keep, I keep hearing people on the right

00:19:46.680 say things like, well, there's problems on both sides, but the fact is there actually aren't,

00:19:50.900 you know, I mean, we haven't had enough cultural power to have the kind of problems they have.

00:19:54.860 It's power that corrupts. And I'm sure if we had the kind of cultural power they have,

00:19:58.080 there would be corrupt people on our side. But if you listen, if I listen to your show,

00:20:01.940 I get a very factual balanced look at things, you know, you, you have a point of view, you have a

00:20:07.400 to the conservative side point of view, but you always give the facts on both sides. They never do

00:20:13.540 that. They never do it. Our radicals, the radicals on the right are on the comment sections on section

00:20:19.080 on Breitbart where the radicals on the left are in Congress and in the white house. I think it's a

00:20:24.000 big, big difference, you know, power corrupts and they have become incredibly corrupt. And it's,

00:20:28.440 I still have a lot of Democrat friends. I hope that I can still count them as friends and they

00:20:32.860 just don't see it. They keep saying, well, you know, there are, there are a lot of Nazis on X.

00:20:38.340 I think, you know, some Gruper in his mother's basement is posting on X and giggling away and all

00:20:43.260 this stuff, but, but they, they, their people pour out into their campuses celebrating Hamas,

00:20:48.980 you know, and the slaughter of Jewish people. It's not the same thing. It is not the same thing.

00:20:53.800 And so the fact that their, uh, their news stations are dying, it's well-deserved. They

00:20:59.580 earned it. They worked for that. That is not something that is not something that they got

00:21:02.940 overnight. It wasn't given to them. It wasn't handed to them. That failure has been earned

00:21:07.160 by a constant stream of bias and corruption and dishonesty. And, and I think, you know,

00:21:13.200 we have to congratulate them on a job well done. They have made themselves completely irrelevant.

00:21:17.520 And also, I just love the fact, I mean, this is all about the new media. It's all about the new

00:21:23.500 media. It's the fact that we can now fact check them in real time. They can come out and say,

00:21:29.120 oh, Trump is calling for a bloodbath. We can get that video out with the real deal with what he

00:21:34.360 really said almost instantaneously. And a lot of that, you know, is, is credit, not, you know,

00:21:40.300 it's credit to places like the daily wire and Joe Rogan and all that, but it's also, uh,

00:21:44.240 to the credit of Elon Musk, who after all was a big hero to the left and then suddenly started

00:21:49.020 getting investigated the minute he, uh, gave right-wingers the right to speak. But that's

00:21:54.480 what's happened. What's happened is that the curtain has been drawn back. We see that it's

00:21:59.280 all one party speaking to us. We see that they're not telling the truth and people, you know, they

00:22:04.580 kind of like reality. I mean, people, people don't mind being lied to, but they hate the effects of

00:22:08.920 being lied to. Like they want to be told they can fly, but they don't like it when they fall off a

00:22:12.660 building. And that's, that's what's happened. Uh, just an amazing example, Megan, this idea that

00:22:18.080 it was hammered into us, that we dopes didn't realize that the economy was great. You know,

00:22:23.260 just because you can't afford a pat of butter doesn't mean that I I'm me in the media, I'm doing

00:22:28.980 well, you know, I'm doing well. So the economy is great. How do you tell people, where do you get

00:22:33.380 the temerity, the guts, the gall to tell people that the economy is great and that they don't know

00:22:39.600 that they can't afford stuff, you know, that, that they are somehow mystified. It's a delusion

00:22:45.560 that they have, that they can't afford to feed their families. It's an amazing arrogance and

00:22:50.500 amazing dishonesty and amazing bias. And it has just been swept away. Donald Trump has swept it

00:22:55.680 away. I'm ready to just whatever award they have for like political genius. I'm ready to give it to

00:23:01.000 them. You know, I know, I know you've had troubles with them in the past, but you know, we've, we've all

00:23:06.040 had troubles with them in the past at some level, but it has, it is a work of genius.

00:23:10.400 As a brilliant friend of mine once said, the past is like your ass behind you.

00:23:18.560 It's certainly true. And, and he just deserves all the congratulations in the world because this

00:23:22.900 is a victory. As I say, it's not a victory over a single candidate. It is a victory over a system

00:23:27.880 that has implanted and in place and just incredibly powerful. And he broke it.

00:23:31.900 Well, you may be elated and I may be elated, but the women of 4B are not elated. I know you

00:23:38.320 are aware of this movement. I know it's how you discussed it on your show the other day. We touched

00:23:41.980 on it, but I'd love to go a little deeper on the absolute implosion of like certain, I don't know

00:23:49.620 what they are, radical feminists. Um, like, I don't know. I'm not sure what they are. They're Trump

00:23:57.560 haters. They're America haters. Cause they're very, very angry with the 80 million people who

00:24:03.120 voted Trump into office. And they appear to be self haters because their response to him

00:24:09.140 is to say, take some pledge that apparently started in like Korea many years ago, or I don't remember

00:24:15.780 all the tenants, but I know you don't date, you don't get married. You don't have sex and you don't

00:24:21.740 have children. Like those are there be no reproducing, you know, in response to which

00:24:26.820 most of us are like, few, when you get a look at these ladies, but I, you, is this just mental

00:24:33.240 illness? Well, I'm going to show a little bit of these gals. We, we showed a little the other

00:24:36.500 day. Here's a little bit more in South 13. Just woke up this morning, feeling spicy.

00:24:41.440 Giving up in America. Also giving up. I'm coloring this hair because right. But coloring my hair,

00:24:47.260 fuck having my hair be long and luxurious. Fuck all that shit. Fuck being skinny. Fuck being

00:24:54.080 hot. Fuck being all the things that the patriarchy wants us to be. And I'm talking to you too.

00:24:58.600 I think you gave up on that long ago.

00:24:59.820 Ladies who have the internalized misogyny required to do what you did. Minorities who are so scared of

00:25:05.620 a woman in power that you'd rather cozy up to the white man just in case some crumbs fall off his

00:25:10.980 plate. Here we go. We're cutting it off because fuck you. That's why.

00:25:16.680 You think I'm crazy too crazy. I do. Yeah, I do. So that's it. It's your internalized misogyny.

00:25:24.420 If you're a woman who voted for Trump and if you're a minority, it's because you want to cozy up to the

00:25:29.500 white man. So she has to shave off her hair and suddenly go from hot to not sister. I, I got

00:25:36.980 assumes facts, not in evidence. You know, this, you asked if this is a mental illness, this is induced

00:25:44.120 to mental illness. They invented a system that was going to drive them mad. I, I kind of, I've been

00:25:48.720 talking about this for years actually, but, but think about this for a minute. If you come out

00:25:52.520 and say, well, you know, I don't really agree with feminism. I certainly agree that women should have

00:25:56.260 rights and all the rights and all the choices, but I think feminism is an anti-female movement.

00:26:00.880 Suddenly you're, you're absolutely a pariah. You're a terrible, terrible human being.

00:26:05.020 So unless you have a hard skin like me, you, you stop saying it, you stop talking,

00:26:09.820 you stop expressing your opinion. You don't say, well, you know, I have questions about Islam

00:26:13.880 because then you're an Islamophobic. You don't say, well, there's a lot of crime in black

00:26:17.480 neighborhoods and maybe there's something wrong in the, with the culture in some of those

00:26:20.620 neighborhoods because then you're a racist. You don't want any of that stuff to happen.

00:26:23.560 You don't want to be called down to HR. You don't want to be uninvited to dinner parties.

00:26:26.980 You don't want to lose whatever awards you've won or anything like that. So you're silent.

00:26:30.960 So now this person on the left never hears a conflicting opinion, only hears opinions within

00:26:38.380 the scope of her worldview. So she hears different pieces, places on the left. Maybe she's not left

00:26:44.520 enough. Maybe you're not, you're a little bit more to the left, whatever it is, but you're never

00:26:48.940 hearing a right-wing opinion. So you never know that there are perfectly decent people who see the

00:26:53.460 world entirely differently than you do. Really nice people, people who you would like, people who

00:26:58.420 would sit there and could explain to you why they think it might be more helpful to have this policy

00:27:02.700 instead of that. Never hear it. Never comes anywhere into your, into your worldview. And then suddenly

00:27:07.960 you find out that half the country believes these things. And the only thing you can think to yourself

00:27:13.080 is you're living in this horrible, horrible country where every other person hates you and wants to

00:27:18.180 destroy you. I don't know what patriarchy she's talking about. I've been looking for it for years

00:27:23.320 because if I could find it, I would join it. But I, you know, it's just this, this absolute terror of

00:27:29.640 all the people on the other side because you've never let them speak. You know, I mean, we on the

00:27:34.500 right, there was actually a article in one of the Yale newspapers about this where the left-wingers

00:27:39.720 were saying, yeah, you know, they were saying that, you know, gee, the right-wingers have to deal with

00:27:43.520 us, but we don't have to deal with them. So we don't know anything about them. Well, on the right,

00:27:47.260 we've been saying that for years that you don't have to explain the left to us. We live with it.

00:27:50.900 And, and, you know, we know people who were- And then the article is saying they were jealous

00:27:54.920 that the Yalies were, were jealous of their conservative colleagues because they were

00:28:00.780 developing skills that the ones on the left had never developed and did not have to develop.

00:28:07.520 We're also having more fun and we're not terrified and we don't have, I mean, I shaved off my head,

00:28:12.240 but that's my hair, but that's different. You don't have to shave off your head and stop dating people

00:28:16.860 because you lost an election because you had to have a much more three-dimensional

00:28:20.480 view of the world than they have.

00:28:22.240 I love this woman. I'm sorry to obsess, but like, I love this woman pretending that she's Giselle.

00:28:26.480 Like, I'm just going to do it. I'm, I'm not, I, sister.

00:28:31.300 Yeah. It's kind of, again, it's kind of like when Ellen DeGeneres announced she's leaving the

00:28:34.560 country, I was kind of like, you know, that's bye, you know?

00:28:37.940 I know. Oh, we used to laugh. I mean, there were some people at Fox who like when the Roger Ailes

00:28:42.920 scandal broke, then let's, I won't be too mean, but it was like, let's just say again,

00:28:49.140 not exactly Giselle like figures and not nice figures either, which is why I felt comfortable

00:28:53.720 making fun of them. But they were like, it never happened to me. They're like, okay.

00:29:00.680 Reality is real. Reality is hard. Reality is hard. No question. Sorry, but there, there was some dark

00:29:06.720 moments there. Um, okay. So she's not taking it well. She and her other four B movement ladies,

00:29:11.960 uh, you mentioned Ellen DeGeneres. I thought that was actually quite interesting. And, um,

00:29:18.440 now you have people wrestling with what, what does it mean? What do we need to do? How do we regroup?

00:29:23.100 Like, how do we get back our voters? And the trans issue continues to be kicked around in the news

00:29:27.800 every day, not just because of the Nancy Macy, Nancy Mace thing, which by the way, we won. We won.

00:29:33.440 Um, speaker Johnson announced yesterday that their men will not be allowed to use women's bathrooms

00:29:38.640 that you can use a gender neutral bathroom. I don't have to fulfill my offer to pay for the

00:29:43.620 gender neutral bathroom on Capitol Hill. I offered 30 grand to build it yesterday. Cause that's what

00:29:47.900 I think it costs. Apparently they already exist. So like this, this man pretending to be a woman

00:29:53.760 can just go use one of those, shut up and stay out of the women's rooms. But now it's a rule.

00:29:57.640 So that's good because when the kids go on Capitol Hill for their field trips,

00:30:01.100 um, they don't have to worry about running into men posing as women or trying to take

00:30:05.680 photographs of them or whatever the hell else, these men who want access to women's spaces want

00:30:09.160 to do. So that's good. We won. So thank you to all of our viewers who I know called and wrote.

00:30:14.980 Um, but the trans thing remains in the news and it's getting Republicans are getting bolder

00:30:21.800 and the left is holding on. They're not ready to let go of this, this little pearl that they've

00:30:28.580 been pushing on us for so long. So Nancy Mace is the person, the person who brought this up on

00:30:32.520 Capitol Hill as a Republican Congresswoman from South Carolina. And she went on with news anchor

00:30:37.560 from Scripps yesterday to talk about this. Have you seen this and look, just listen to the arrogance

00:30:43.520 of this news anchor in quotes, air quotes, news anchor. Watch.

00:30:48.680 Oh, I'll, I just want to add that the Congresswoman elect does identify as a woman. Um, I will be

00:30:53.960 she's not a woman. It's a man. She was born a man. She's a man. She is biologically a male.

00:30:59.160 That is science. You guys on the left in the mainstream media want to say, follow the science.

00:31:04.520 Let's follow the science. Okay. He is a man. He can wear a dress. He can call himself. His

00:31:10.460 pronouns can be she or her, but he doesn't belong in a women's restaurant, period.

00:31:16.340 Are you suggesting that the representative elect McBride poses some kind of danger to you

00:31:21.420 and other women? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. A hundred percent. This is an assault on women.

00:31:26.860 A man being a biological man, a man with a penis, male genitalia, being in a women's locker room

00:31:32.140 is an assault on women. Then more than likely he's got a mental illness and this is why he's doing

00:31:37.800 this. He should not be forcing his private parts into women's private spaces. I'm absolutely a no

00:31:43.460 hard pass on this. I'm going to fight it every step of the way. Are you diagnosing right now

00:31:48.900 an incoming member of Congress with a mental illness? I'm not sure how you.

00:31:53.120 I am absolutely diagnosing anyone who cross-dressed is with a mental illness.

00:31:59.360 Amazing. Now just a word on this so-called news anchor. Her name is Liz Landers. She is a national

00:32:06.120 correspondent leading the disinformation desk at Scripps News. Andrew, you can't make it up where

00:32:12.080 the team covers how disinformation spreads and shapes politics and people's lives. Hello, Liz.

00:32:19.500 You're in the middle of doing it right now. Thank God you had a fact checker there in Nancy Mace. I

00:32:26.200 just want to say one word about this. Two words. One, are you suggesting that representative elect

00:32:31.880 McBride, who for viewers who did not watch yesterday, is a man posing as a woman just elected

00:32:37.020 to Congress from the state of Delaware, poses some kind of danger to you and other women in Congress?

00:32:43.680 Okay. Because Mace had said he doesn't belong in a women's restroom. Liz, we don't have to prove

00:32:50.740 that he is dangerous. That is not the question. So F you for trying to reshape the debate in a way

00:32:57.360 that you think is stronger for you. First of all, yes, he is a danger. They're all danger. Even if he

00:33:02.620 personally doesn't want to do anything to women in that restroom, his permission slip is a permission

00:33:06.920 slip for all men. And many of those men do want to hurt us. So get up to speed, Liz, do your homework,

00:33:12.200 sweetheart. Secondly, we don't have to prove that our mere discomfort at allowing men into women's

00:33:17.800 spaces is enough. Stop trying to make the stakes so high that we have to prove to you this crime or

00:33:23.200 that, which we could, but we don't need to. The answer is no, we don't want him, Liz. And if you want

00:33:30.140 to pee next to a man, ask your male buddies at Scripps, whether you can go into their bathroom,

00:33:35.380 that's your solution. So that's one of the things that really irritated me in that whole exchange.

00:33:43.480 But the thing is, Andrew, we won. So people like Liz are going to have to be brought to heel on this

00:33:50.720 or their side will continue losing.

00:33:54.560 You know, one of the, the reason this is so important, the reason the transgender movement

00:33:58.760 is so important is because it's emblematic of the power that the left has wielded thousands of

00:34:04.600 years of human civilization, hundreds of thousands of years of homo sapiens. This has never come up.

00:34:11.140 The idea that a man can become a woman has never come up for the very good reason that it's impossible.

00:34:16.320 One angry lesbian college professor writes a book, which I have read called Gender Trouble by Judith

00:34:22.080 Butler. It's a, it's a grift. It's an absolute muddy, muddy minded, poorly written grift that

00:34:28.380 logic doesn't hold. It actually doesn't have a string of logic announcing that gender is simply

00:34:33.740 a construct. You know, yep. Hundreds of thousands of years of hominid life. But suddenly we find out

00:34:38.760 that gender is just a construct. No other animal knows this. No other mammal realizes this, but we

00:34:43.840 know this because Judith Butler has told us the instantaneously, if you disagree with this,

00:34:49.440 you are a villain instantaneously. That was the power that the left was wielding. And that was the

00:34:54.000 power that their communication was wielding. To me, the most important video of this week was Mike

00:35:00.980 Johnson coming out, being asked whether this new congressman slash congresswoman was a man or a

00:35:08.280 woman. And Mike Johnson said, well, I'm not going to answer that question. I'm not going to deal with

00:35:12.060 that. Then he had to come back out later and say, no, I am going to deal with that. He's a man is a man,

00:35:17.800 a woman is a woman. They can't change. Now it's wrong to call Mike Johnson a coward. It's wrong to call him,

00:35:23.360 you know, a hypocrite. He's a good guy. He's got a difficult job. Speaker of the House is probably

00:35:28.260 one of the toughest jobs in government. He is no more a coward than any of us or anybody else.

00:35:34.720 That's the power they had, that a man of his convictions could come out and have to hesitate

00:35:39.760 a moment before he realized the game is over. The game is over because Donald Trump won. That's

00:35:45.580 what's happened. That's the difference. He wouldn't have come back and made that second appearance

00:35:49.320 that was the bold, right, true appearance. Not because he's a bad guy, not because he's a coward.

00:35:54.120 He's not. He wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have seen that the construct had been

00:35:59.040 destroyed, but it's in rubble on the ground and they can keep on with this track forever. It's

00:36:05.380 not going anywhere. Their machine is broken. And I don't think it's coming back for a long, long time.

00:36:10.560 That's a really interesting point. Thank you for pointing that out. We played the Mike Johnson

00:36:13.860 videos yesterday, both of them. And you're right. I mean, I was more focused on how he did get it

00:36:19.040 right in the end, you know, but you're right. The fact that he hesitated does say something about

00:36:23.300 how effective they've been on their bullying. And the fact that he came back out later is a

00:36:28.940 testament to the victory that we all just won, not just Donald Trump. We all won on this particular

00:36:35.180 issue. So the other thing I wanted to say about Liz, the disinformation anchor at Scripps is she says,

00:36:43.060 are you, are you diagnosing an incoming member of Congress with a mental illness? I'm not sure how

00:36:49.760 you would know that. Well, Liz, I have another piece of information for you since you're really

00:36:54.720 into information and disinformation. Go to the DSM five, um, look up gender dysphoria and you will find

00:37:03.460 it right there. It is a disorder in the DSM five, which is about mental disorders. And in the medical

00:37:12.680 community, mental illness and mental disorders are used interchangeably. So yes, it's fine to say that

00:37:19.660 the odds are this person who considers themselves quote trans has gender dysphoria, which is a disorder

00:37:25.900 or mental illness spelled out in the DSM five. Look it up, sweetheart. You love information. I just gave

00:37:32.740 you a bunch of it. There's your afternoon project. Okay. I'm not done with this issue because it's

00:37:37.580 come up again. Um, whoopi Goldberg known for her commitment to facts, you know, uh, miss I feel so

00:37:45.460 bad for all the little children that Matt Gates allegedly molested who now will not be able to come

00:37:52.360 forward. She's such a liar. Literally nobody alleged that. Okay. You that by the way, that legal disclaimer

00:37:57.160 did not fix her defamation of Matt Gates. He should sue her. Um, this is what she came out to say on,

00:38:04.260 this is on the issue of trans athletes. You know, I, I often wonder because it's when you look

00:38:11.940 transgender Americans, less than 1% of American adults identify as transgender. And when you add in

00:38:20.400 youth who identify as transgender, that number comes to just about 1.4, it is estimated that there are no

00:38:29.420 more than a hundred transgender athletes competing in public schools nationwide and an associated press

00:38:36.080 investigation found that lawmakers proposing bans on trans athletes in school sports could not cite

00:38:43.700 a single instance of these athletes taking championship.

00:38:51.520 That is so wrong on so many levels. The UN just released a list of the number of medals that these

00:38:59.720 men and boys have stolen from women. And it was almost a thousand, uh, that they had calculated just

00:39:04.940 recently. Uh, we here on the show have covered the number of medals that have been stolen. We did a deep

00:39:10.200 dive on the Connecticut runners that we've been covering for years since we launched in 2020,

00:39:14.640 Andrew, cause I'm living in Connecticut, um, who have been denied medals and scholarships and so on,

00:39:19.400 and brought a lawsuit that's now succeeding. Um, but of course they're not the only example.

00:39:24.040 And the girls who have been hurt all over the country by these trans players and the girls at

00:39:28.800 the NCAA level who are now forfeiting, uh, games and so on in order to protect their safety. It's like

00:39:34.980 the amount of nonsense that is put out there. Uh, but before I get you to comment on that,

00:39:39.920 if at all, I got to tell you, we've got some breaking news here. Guess what just happened?

00:39:45.020 Matt Gates withdrew. Oh, wow. Wow. I know. I got to say, I, I can never, like I have no personal

00:39:53.540 affection for Matt Gates. I don't know him, but I'm kind of sad to see it. I I'm kind of

00:39:58.800 disappointed. I like the fact of sending in this, like you were saying, guns blazing. I get why he's

00:40:04.120 problematic, but I'm disappointed. I'm going to read you a statement, but give me your first reaction.

00:40:07.800 Well, my first reaction is that I'm not surprised because even though Congress said they weren't

00:40:12.660 going to release the ethics report, we all knew it was going to come out. There's no stopping that

00:40:16.300 stuff from coming out. And you know, I I've heard, even I have heard things about Matt

00:40:21.100 Gates and the way he has lived. I don't think that means that all the charges against him are true.

00:40:25.300 I very much suspected a lot of them are overblown and ridiculous, but you know, you live at that

00:40:30.020 level and you're going to do some things you probably shouldn't have done, but I feel the same way you

00:40:33.760 do. I'm a little bit disappointed. I would have liked to see him just go in there and, uh,

00:40:37.200 rip them to pieces. He's so great when he is challenging the left. He's so terrific when he

00:40:42.120 actually goes after them, but you know, you don't want the guy to be destroyed either. So I guess he's

00:40:46.760 probably making the right decision. And Trump, I think that Trump was talking about this. He was

00:40:51.860 repeatedly quoted as saying, I don't know if this is going to make it. So maybe he's just getting out

00:40:56.220 of the way to let Trump do more. The fact that he resigned as quickly as he did, I know it was

00:41:01.540 supposed to be so that he could be replaced quickly, but that might've been a giveaway that he was

00:41:05.900 trying to get out of having that information released. That report dropped. And that report

00:41:11.020 has not yet dropped the house, um, investigation into what, if anything he did with these underage

00:41:15.900 girls or with prostitutes or I don't know, whatever, all of which he's denied, um, has not yet leaked.

00:41:21.820 They definitely have, the house has it reportedly. The Senate does not have access to it because the

00:41:26.460 house has refused. Speaker Mike Johnson has said, we're not releasing that, but of course someone's

00:41:30.220 going to leak it. So, but it hasn't leaked yet. Anyway, here's what Matt wrote on an X.

00:41:35.520 I had excellent meetings with senators yesterday. I appreciate their thoughtful feedback and the

00:41:39.720 incredible support of so many. While the momentum was strong, it is clear that my confirmation was

00:41:44.140 unfairly becoming a distraction to the critical work of the Trump Vance transition. There's no time

00:41:48.560 to waste on a needlessly protracted Washington scuffle. Thus, I will be withdrawing my name from

00:41:52.980 consideration to serve as attorney general. Trump's DOJ must be in place and ready on day one.

00:41:57.900 I remain fully committed to see that Donald J. Trump is the most successful president in history.

00:42:02.340 I will forever be honored that president Trump nominated me to lead the department of justice,

00:42:06.680 and I'm certain he will save America. That's all we have for now. Does it mean he will resume

00:42:14.340 and can he resume his role as a Congressman from the Florida panhandle? I'm not sure he resigned from

00:42:21.760 the existing Congress. Does that mean he can, he's been reelected, you know, so can he take his seat in the

00:42:27.900 upcoming Congress, which starts in January? Like he didn't technically resign from that? I'm not

00:42:33.220 sure. Uh, we'll see. And if he's, if he's not going back to Congress, you got to bet dollars to

00:42:39.240 donuts. Trump's going to give him some sort of an, a role that doesn't require Senate confirmation.

00:42:44.460 Yeah, it's a really interesting question. It depends how official his resignation is,

00:42:48.620 whether he handed in a letter, whether it's just a discussion, you know, whether he can just walk

00:42:53.080 back, I hope, uh, he, I hope he doesn't disappear. But again, I, I was sort of suspicious when that

00:42:58.580 happened because you, as, as you say, I, that, that report is going to be released, whatever

00:43:03.380 is in it is going to be released. And, uh, he, he must be nervous about it. Obviously what he was

00:43:08.820 talking about was he was going to Republican senators and they were saying, look, we just don't

00:43:12.480 have the numbers. And what is the, what is the point of being ripped to pieces for two weeks

00:43:18.240 and then losing the vote? You know, what's the point for him? What's the point for Trump?

00:43:21.460 What's the point for anyone? Uh, hopefully, you know, Trump to, to clean out the DOJ, which is

00:43:27.080 now, as far as I'm concerned, you know, Merrick babyface Garland has completely corrupted that

00:43:33.180 incredibly important institution. I, you know, to clean that out, I hope that I'm sort of hoping

00:43:38.400 like Trump nominates something like a, you know, an Abrams tank or something. It just goes in like a

00:43:43.560 bulldozer. Does that, we're just going to confirm a bulldozer and just have to go in and shove

00:43:47.280 everybody out the back of the building because it really is dirty in there.

00:43:51.460 I like that a lot. Um, all right. Well, you know, all I can think of as I read this though,

00:43:56.380 I got to be honest, I read Maureen's, uh, Maureen Callahan, who I love her book. She's

00:44:00.200 also a writer like you ask not she released it over the summer and it was all about the

00:44:04.220 Kennedy men over the years and just how terribly they've treated their women, you know, Ted Kennedy

00:44:10.860 and Chappaquiddick and John F. Kennedy, you know, our former president beloved, you know, by most

00:44:17.440 people, but especially the left, you read her book. He was stupping the white house intern who was

00:44:23.180 16, 16 while Jackie was away taking her in the pool. Everybody knew they were having sex in the white

00:44:31.400 house. Um, Matt Gaetz is accused of not great behavior. He denies it, but JFK was president.

00:44:39.840 The Washington post chose not to reveal any of this. Matt Gaetz is nominated for a far less

00:44:44.680 important position, though an important one. And just these allegations are, have derailed him.

00:44:50.380 Uh, maybe not just these. He's also not well liked as you point out, but here's what CNN just

00:44:54.740 dropped as he withdraws. The woman who says she had sex while a minor with then representative

00:45:04.140 Matt Gaetz told the house ethics committee that she had two sexual encounters with him at one party

00:45:10.320 in 2017. Sources familiar with her testimony, tell CNN. The woman who was 17 years old at the time

00:45:16.420 testified that the second sexual encounter, which has not previously been reported, included another

00:45:22.880 adult woman. The other woman who was an adult at the time has denied participating in the alleged

00:45:29.840 second encounter, according to multiple sources familiar with her ethics testimony. This is the

00:45:34.840 same person whose claims were not enough to persuade the Merrick Garland controlled DOJ to bring charges

00:45:42.000 against Matt Gaetz. And the Washington post reported in 2022, the reason the charges would not be brought

00:45:48.800 is because this woman was not credible. That's what the Washington post reported. Uh, it's fine to

00:45:54.740 repeat these allegations. I haven't read the whole report. I really hope CNN says that because Matt

00:46:00.720 Gaetz right now is getting killed by a thousand cuts. Um, that people are running with this. It's

00:46:06.080 turned into child molestation over on ABC news. And now he's withdrawn and he's right. He has become a

00:46:11.780 distraction. But I mean, I'm a little uncomfortable about where this has gone, Andrew, because it's

00:46:18.140 Merrick Garland's DOJ who says she's not credible. Yeah. I've, I've, I've actually never believed these

00:46:23.060 charges for that very reason. That's one of the things that kind of bothers me about it. But I

00:46:27.180 wonder too, how much of this has to do with the way Matt Gaetz behaved during the, uh, replacement of

00:46:33.660 the speaker of the house. He was an agent of chaos. He was not a sort of, uh, play, you know,

00:46:38.380 go along to get along guy. He was not being collegial as people in Congress are supposed to

00:46:42.840 be. And as you say, I do not think he's a man with many friends and that just counts for something in

00:46:48.300 politics. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does. So I don't know how much of this has to do. I mean,

00:46:52.500 obviously his life is not a neat life and it would be nice if we could find people with the kind of

00:46:58.720 determination and grit that we need who are also faithful husbands. And that would be kind of pleasant,

00:47:03.820 uh, and a diff and a change of pace, but his life is a messy life. He doesn't have a lot of friends.

00:47:09.260 And I think the numbers, obviously from what he said about talking to the senators, the numbers just

00:47:14.560 weren't there. And so what's the point, right? Cause he's going to, he's going to be dragged through

00:47:18.160 the mud. And if the numbers are not going to be there, if some people are just saying, there's just

00:47:21.700 no way I'm coming over, uh, to your side, you know, what is the point of his going through this?

00:47:26.740 And yes, he's going to be just absolutely excoriated by the left-wing press. But again,

00:47:32.160 they excoriate everybody who disagrees with them. So I don't know how much credibility they have

00:47:37.220 left. It seems to me none. So it's, it's just a question for me of the numbers and the fact that

00:47:42.160 he couldn't, obviously couldn't put together the numbers that he needed, uh, and whether more is

00:47:47.180 going to come out or not. Uh, I don't know now it makes it less likely, I suppose that there'll be a

00:47:51.540 leak. Cause who cares if he's not doing that? I hope, I hope they take him back into the Congress.

00:47:56.280 I don't know. Again, he is a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. It's leaky, such a leaky body.

00:48:01.660 Now the question will be who's Trump going to choose, right? Because this is a really

00:48:06.340 important position. I've heard some people say Senator Mike Lee of Utah, that he, he could get

00:48:13.560 all the things done that Matt Gates could get done. You know, he's a fighter, he's a Trump loyalist,

00:48:18.300 he's a MAGA guy. Um, but without all the controversy, you know, he should sail through

00:48:24.000 in the, in the Senate, but that opens up a Senate seat and the Republicans can't necessarily spare it.

00:48:31.120 I don't, I'm not sure exactly what would happen. Um, or whether that might deter, uh, cause he's

00:48:38.520 already chosen Marco Rubio. He's elevated him. Like maybe somebody who's not currently serving.

00:48:43.400 The margins are really tight amongst the existing lawmakers. And, um, I don't know. I still wanted

00:48:48.460 to go with my friend, Mike Davis. There's no guy more loyal to Trump. He's on the show all the time.

00:48:53.060 He formed a group called the article three project, which is all about enforcing,

00:48:56.360 you know, America first policies. And he too is clerk for the Supreme court. He's very,

00:49:00.900 very smart. He says, I think he's too much of a shit stirrer to get confirmed. He, I think he

00:49:04.680 thinks that, but like it in relation to Matt Gates, uh, anyway, um, I think it's still a great

00:49:10.700 day. I think it's actually a great day and I'm sad for Matt Gates, but I believe this probably is

00:49:15.020 what's best for the Trump administration, Andrew. So onward we go. Yeah. And you have to remember

00:49:19.860 that Trump has had a really, really hard time with AGs. Jeff Sessions kind of ducked when he came

00:49:25.080 under that special investigation. And I I've been a fan of Bill Barr's, but I know that Trump didn't

00:49:30.700 like him and wasn't loyal enough. So yeah, he's, he's, he's got to find somebody who's both, you

00:49:35.940 know, a loyalist, but also somebody who can do a hard job of cleaning out the Aegean stables.

00:49:40.640 Cause it is like that in there. It is really a dirty place. I thought Bill Barr was amazing.

00:49:45.780 The only problem was he wouldn't support the election denialism stuff. And that's what led

00:49:50.760 to the rift between them. But he totally had Trump's back. He was brilliant. He was hard,

00:49:54.860 tough on crime, all the good things. Anyway, that's, that did not end well. Andrew Klavan.

00:49:59.780 Um, wait, are you sticking around? I'm okay. You are right. It's Andrew stick. Okay. Sorry. I got

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00:51:27.700 Andrew, the news breaking shortly before we came to air that, uh, Jussie Smollett has been

00:51:35.080 given an amazing lifeline by the Illinois Supreme court, which just reversed his conviction,

00:51:43.580 not on the grounds that he did not perpetrate a fake race hoax on the city of Chicago and the nation,

00:51:53.240 but on the ground that if you remember the original prosecutor in the case, Kim Fox,

00:51:58.740 a woke DEI promoting George Soros prosecutor, didn't want to charge him and cut a plea deal with him,

00:52:09.720 a non-prosecution agreement that let him off the hook for some community service and a handshake.

00:52:16.300 And he signed it. And it was only in response to the outrage over that, that special prosecutor,

00:52:23.800 Dan Webb was brought in, uh, former big muckety muck in Chicago. And he tried the case against

00:52:31.980 Jussie Smollett and Jussie's lawyers argued that this was a violation of his fifth amendment

00:52:38.440 privileges, that it was basically trying to try him twice after the government had sworn or agreed

00:52:46.920 that it would not try him, that they'd already cut a deal with him. And that ultimately proved persuasive

00:52:51.560 to the Illinois Supreme court, which ruled in a five zero ruling. There are seven justices to

00:52:57.460 abstain five just, I don't know why, but five justices ruled they want a reversal. And now

00:53:04.180 already you've got the far left crowd on Twitter going nuts about how everyone owes him an apology

00:53:10.220 and you mark my, they're going to spin this into, he's somehow been exonerated when really all the

00:53:17.420 court said was you can't try him when he already admitted to it and struck a non-prosecution agreement

00:53:24.860 with this loser DA Kim Fox. Well, I am shocked to find that there's bad governance going on in

00:53:32.700 Chicago. And, uh, I just, I just, I feel it's terrible that a man who committed a hate crime

00:53:37.560 has been set free like this. This is just terrible, terrible thing. This is another guy. Are there any

00:53:43.720 real hate crimes in America? I mean, I cannot remember the last time there was a high profile

00:53:48.160 hate crime, uh, except against Jews, of course, but I can't remember there was a last, the last time

00:53:53.300 there was a high profile hate crime that didn't turn out to be a fraud. So, you know, Jesse Smollett,

00:53:58.380 I feel bad for the guy. I have to admit when that show he was in, what was it called? Kingdom or

00:54:03.540 something like that came out. I was absolutely empire. That's what it was. I was absolutely stunned by

00:54:09.680 the guy's talent. I remember sitting there going, wow, like I can, can really sing. And apparently

00:54:14.200 he just sang the wrong song and now his career is in shambles. But what, what can we say? The guy

00:54:19.440 is, or is it, is it? That's, that's the real question. Maybe not. Maybe he'll win an Oscar for

00:54:24.340 just for this, you know, or will he be, will he be totally embraced by the left who will pretend that

00:54:30.340 this was some sort of exoneration on the merits when that's not in fact at all what happened? Just

00:54:36.300 reading now here from the Chicago Tribune, reminding us of exactly how this went down.

00:54:40.740 Weeks after indicting him, prosecutors dropped all counts against him, noting that he forfeited

00:54:46.320 his $10,000 bond and had done community service. Cook County State's attorney, Kim Fox, previously

00:54:52.080 handed the case to deputies saying she had recused herself. And the court found here that we are aware

00:54:59.800 this case has generated significant public interest and that many people were dissatisfied with the

00:55:04.140 resolution of the original case and believed it to be unjust. Nevertheless, what would be more unjust

00:55:08.940 than the resolution of any one criminal case would be a holding from this court that the state was not

00:55:14.360 bound to honor agreements upon which people have detrimentally, uh, relied. Here's, here's what's

00:55:22.040 nuts. This guy, I mean, I, there will be discussions about whether he got this ruling because he's black

00:55:30.640 and gay, whether this is some sort of privilege right along those lines or whether like with the

00:55:36.240 Andrew Clavin's of the world have gotten a ruling like this is the Illinois Supreme court captured by

00:55:42.180 this kind of thinking, or was this a just legal ruling? I'm going to have to go back and look at it,

00:55:47.560 um, to answer that myself. But remember this and remember what a big deal this was. He came out and

00:55:54.140 made up this fake story that he'd been walking in the polar vortex. It was that time in Chicago where

00:56:00.760 it was like 52 below or has something crazy in Chicago. And that two guys, two white guys wearing

00:56:08.400 MAGA hats came up out of nowhere and said something about like F you, you gay, whatever. And just happened

00:56:17.440 to be where it'd be, be holding a noose and bleach, which they doused him with and put around his neck

00:56:26.560 before beating him up and leaving. Oh, this is MAGA country. That's what they alleged. This is MAGA

00:56:31.920 country. That's what it was at 2am in Chicago. He was walking around randomly in Chicago with their

00:56:37.180 noose and their bleach, hoping to see Jussie Smollett while he went out to get a subway sandwich.

00:56:41.860 Anyway, then he went on with Robin Roberts because all of the media was fawning all over him. Oh my

00:56:48.600 God, this poor black gay man got attacked by the evil MAGA and she gave him the biggest pass we've

00:56:57.000 seen up until we got to Kamala Harris entering the presidential race. Watch this. Why do you think

00:57:03.620 you were targeted? I can just assume. I mean, I come really, really hard against the 45. I come

00:57:15.220 really, really hard against his administration and I don't hold my tongue.

00:57:25.360 I like the self-importance though. The idea that people were actually paying attention

00:57:30.360 to this guy who was maybe the fifth lead on that show to begin with and cared about what he thought

00:57:35.460 about 45. But also, you know, it is amazing. It really is kind of interesting. He was attacked

00:57:41.960 by two white guys who by an absolute coincidence just happened to be his trainers who were black

00:57:46.520 and who were lost because they thought they were in Trump country in the middle of Chicago. So somehow

00:57:50.480 they had lost their GPS. But it was immediately embraced and immediately pushed out there by

00:57:57.900 the mainstream media. And no one ever pays a penalty. This is the part of the machine that

00:58:03.880 is so fascinating. No one ever pays a penalty for getting these stories wrong. No one ever has to

00:58:08.200 quit. No one ever has to apologize. No one ever has to go back and say, oh, wow, we should, maybe we

00:58:12.720 should have actually done some research since we're on a network with an amazing amount of investigative

00:58:17.300 force. But all of that stuff disappears. And it'll be very interesting to see what the rest of his

00:58:23.280 career looks like. Because you're right, of course, that the left is going to say, oh, wow, he's been

00:58:27.200 exonerated when he hasn't been. But that's kind of what I'm talking about with Trump's election.

00:58:32.120 They don't have the power they used to have. They don't have the power to erase what we've seen

00:58:36.040 with our own eyes, the way they used to be. They literally used to be able to say we didn't exist.

00:58:41.340 Hunter Biden laptop. It's not a thing. It's a it's Russian disinformation. They have lost that power.

00:58:46.500 They used it to the ultimate extent in the 2016 election. And now it's kind of in the 2020 election.

00:58:52.900 I'm sorry. And now it's it's really played out. And Trump has broken it and left it in pieces on

00:58:57.700 the ground. So I don't know what's going to happen to the guy. You know, I don't I don't really have a

00:59:02.460 lot of animosity against him. I think it's he's an actor, you know, who's who's startled that he wants

00:59:07.900 to be more important than he is and he or thinks he's more important than he is. I do. I do. Not only

00:59:13.700 did he smear all of MAGA, but he cost the city of Illinois tens of thousands of dollars as they

00:59:19.300 investigated this nonsense, the the black police chief in Chicago just crushed him. We're looking

00:59:26.620 for the soundbite right now because we had a cut back at the time, but was so angry at what this guy

00:59:31.580 had done with Chicago PD. And we wanted to create a race war. I mean, it was so irresponsible and just

00:59:39.740 really tried to ignite a flame that could have caused this country to burn had he not been caught

00:59:46.000 by these smart investigators. Ultimately, the two perpetrators of this alleged hate crime

00:59:51.060 gave an interview to and and did a reenactment for Fox Nation in like the best piece of tape

01:00:01.020 ever. Here's here they are. They are black. They knew Jussie Smollett. They were not white

01:00:07.320 MAGA hating guys. They just got convinced by Jussie Smollett to do this to him and watch.

01:00:12.160 So we waited here for about what, four minutes? It was about four minutes, but it felt like forever.

01:00:19.960 Because it was cold as balls. As we crossed the street, we said hey to get his attention.

01:00:26.000 And that's when we started yelling the famous slurs he wanted us to yell. Hey, aren't you that

01:00:32.560 empire? It's MAGA country. He wanted it to look like he fought back. That was very important for

01:00:40.200 him because he said, hey, don't just beat my ass. Make it look like I'm fighting back and whatnot. So

01:00:45.720 we did that. And then I threw him to the ground. And while after I threw him to the ground, I, he had

01:00:51.760 no bruise. I wanted it to look more real. So then I threw him to the ground. After I threw him to the

01:00:57.140 ground, I used my knuckle and gave him a noogie. I finally put the rope around his face. I did not

01:01:03.060 put it around his neck. I just placed it on his face. And that's when we took off.

01:01:09.720 That is great. That is a great piece of tape.

01:01:15.040 I love the racist noogie. That's a, you know, nothing like that noogie to really take you out,

01:01:19.980 you know? It's just the greatest thing to ever air on Fox nation. But here is that we found the,

01:01:28.000 we found the soundbite from Eddie Johnson, the police chief at the time who was definitely not

01:01:33.160 laughing. Watch. Jussie Smollett took advantage of the pain and anger of racism to promote his career.

01:01:42.320 I'm left hanging my head and asking why, why would anyone, especially an African-American man,

01:01:49.600 use the symbolism of a noose to make false accusations? How could someone look at the

01:01:58.500 hatred and suffering associated with that symbol and see an opportunity to manipulate that symbol

01:02:05.340 to further his own public profile? How can an individual who's been embraced by the city of

01:02:12.940 Chicago turn around and slap everyone in this city in the face by making these false

01:02:19.000 claims? Pretty amazing. So that was 2019, Andrew. And here we are five years later. So what is the

01:02:28.280 temperature of the country today versus back then for a black gay man who got caught perpetrating a

01:02:36.640 race, a race hoax for, for him in public life and returning to the public scene now that this

01:02:44.180 conviction has been overturned? You know, to me, one of the great untold stories of this moment

01:02:49.600 is the, the COVID shutdowns and what it meant to the American people. No one's been fired. It was,

01:02:57.700 in my opinion, the greatest failure of a leadership class since world war one. It was an absolute mess.

01:03:03.340 Everything about it was wrong. And one of the things that was wrong was the encouragement

01:03:06.340 and the cover up of the George Floyd riots. The idea that George Washington statue should be taken

01:03:12.600 down and replaced with George Floyd's. The idea that this guy was some kind of hero, this drug addict

01:03:17.080 who I personally think drugged himself to death, uh, trying to hide fentanyl from the arresting officer

01:03:23.660 and that that was, that that crime was indicative of the way the police treat black people.

01:03:30.420 People have not covered what that means to people, even on a subconscious level. I think on a conscious

01:03:37.440 level too, we know, we all know that we have been gaslit up the wazoo. We understand that for,

01:03:44.820 for all of that time that that COVID lockdown was going on, we were gaslit about race relations.

01:03:50.780 We were gaslit about the economy. We were gaslit about masks. We were gaslit about vaccines. We're

01:03:55.780 gaslit about Anthony Fauci, who really, you know, I mean, I don't want to send an old man to

01:04:00.400 jail for the rest of his life as if he were a silent, you know, a peaceful anti-abortion protester,

01:04:05.060 but still, you know, he, he, he performed criminal acts and criminal told criminal lies to Congress

01:04:10.220 and all of that stuff has vanished. It's just kind of sunk into the background. So now this guy comes

01:04:15.720 back from that though, those bad days. And he basically tried to, you know, push this narrative

01:04:22.260 on us. It was a total lie. I just don't think the world is waiting for him with open arms. I could be

01:04:27.420 wrong, but I think that this is a guy where people are going to look and say, we are so

01:04:31.020 sick of this. You know, this is a country that has come so far in its race relations. Nobody denies

01:04:37.040 the bad stuff in the past, but of course the world was more racist in the past than it is today. We're

01:04:41.660 much more thrown together because of America, because of the way America welcomes people

01:04:46.240 and lets them blend together. So things have changed here. And I think, I just think people are sick

01:04:52.540 of this kind of condemnation of everything about us. You know, I think that this is part of what

01:04:57.520 the Trump election means. It's like enough, you know, enough. This is not a bad country. It's a

01:05:02.820 great country. These are not bad people, but good people that when you go out into the middle of

01:05:07.440 this country, black and white people are living together, they're marrying, they're adopting each

01:05:11.420 other. It's, it's absurd to still be playing heat of the night on MSNBC when, you know, kumbaya is

01:05:19.280 playing throughout the rest of the country. So when this guy comes back, I just don't think there's

01:05:23.120 a bunch of people waiting to say, Oh boy, we're just, we can't wait to have this guy back to tell

01:05:27.700 us how bad we are. Now we can go hard against number 47 and we're going to all care about this. I

01:05:32.800 think this is, this is a dated story. You know, I'm sure Trump's teeth are chattering. Yeah, I agree

01:05:38.920 with you. I don't think there's a comeback for him even in this Holly weird land, because they've,

01:05:44.040 I think on the, on the heels of this election, especially they've gotten the message.

01:05:47.580 They went too far and the American public is not having it. Andrew Klavan, love having you.

01:05:54.220 Thanks so much for being here. Great talking to you, Megan. Good to see you.

01:05:58.280 All right, coming up next, we're going to be joined by professor Jeffrey Sachs. Really looking

01:06:02.060 forward to speaking with him, especially in light of the news this week on what we're doing in Ukraine.

01:06:09.820 I mean, is there a real risk here that president Biden's starting world war three or risking it

01:06:15.100 just before he hands the baton to president Trump? Uh, Jeffrey Sachs has thoughts. Don't miss that.

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01:08:50.940 Donald Trump is the president-elect, but he does not take office for two more months,

01:08:54.720 and the current administration appears to be doing everything it can to push its agenda through

01:08:59.160 in the final months. Nowhere is that more obvious than in relation to Ukraine, where we just learned

01:09:04.640 that team Biden is looking to cancel over four and a half billion dollars in debt that Ukraine owes us,

01:09:11.600 the American people. The move drawing sharp criticism from Republicans, including Senator Rand Paul.

01:09:17.420 And that's not all we learned about what our administration is doing this week. My next guest

01:09:23.640 is an American economist who has a long history of speaking out on Russia and Ukraine and why this

01:09:28.660 war must end. He and I were both speakers at the same conference back in September, the All In

01:09:33.920 Summit with our pals from the All In podcast. Joining me now, Columbia University professor Jeffrey

01:09:38.920 Sachs. Jeffrey, welcome to the show. Great to have you. Great to be with you. Thank you so much.

01:09:43.860 So, of course, the even bigger news, in addition to canceling billions of dollars in debt that they

01:09:49.460 owe us, is the fact that the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to fire U.S.-made and supplied

01:09:55.780 missiles deeper into Russia following months of lobbying from Ukraine, which has the Russians

01:10:03.120 apoplectic saying this could lead to World War III. Now, a lot of people want to just dismiss that

01:10:10.220 as empty rhetoric. I know you don't think we should. I agree with you. Explain.

01:10:16.620 Well, this is an unbelievably irresponsible action of an unbelievably irresponsible and failed

01:10:23.660 administration. This war could have ended years ago. It could have been prevented entirely had Biden

01:10:31.760 just had some little measure of diplomacy to understand the Russian concerns. But this current

01:10:41.880 decision that now U.S. missiles, attack of missiles, will be used and fired deep inside Russia in the

01:10:51.120 waning days of a failed administration. It's just such a reckless disregard for our safety and for our

01:10:58.860 lives. President Putin's been making the point all along that, look, if you use these particular

01:11:07.720 weapon systems, this is Americans that are doing the targeting, that are essentially launching these

01:11:15.900 missiles against Russia. And it would be like Russia, maybe in submarines off the coast of the United

01:11:21.580 States, firing missiles into the U.S. That would be an attack by Russia on the United States. And Putin

01:11:28.140 says, if you do this, this isn't an attack by Ukraine. This is an attack by the United States

01:11:33.760 on Russia. It's perfectly clear. It's perfectly sensible. It's perfectly stupid that Biden is doing

01:11:40.860 this. But what makes it all the more obnoxious, frankly, is that the Pentagon and Biden said before

01:11:47.980 the election they wouldn't do this. They explained that this would not have a consequential result on the

01:11:56.900 direction of the war, but it could ratchet up the war and lead to an escalation that could end up being

01:12:03.960 catastrophic. So this very decision that was just made in the last few days was rejected. It was made

01:12:11.860 exactly the opposite way a few weeks ago. But, you know, we don't even know whether the president is

01:12:18.600 is compass mentis. We have no idea who's actually making these decisions. Is this Jake Sullivan? Is

01:12:25.460 this the Pentagon? Is this the CIA? Is this Biden? We don't even hear from the guy. And these are

01:12:31.920 momentous, irresponsible actions. I just, I can't really recall something like this before. And I

01:12:40.040 haven't trusted these people from the get go because they have been failures on diplomacy all along. But

01:12:48.120 to make a decision like this, when it's the waning weeks of a failed administration, that's lost the

01:12:54.200 election, the new government's coming in, it's, it's shameful and it's dangerous.

01:12:59.740 You know, my mom graduated from high school in 1959. I graduated from high school in 1988. And for

01:13:09.560 various reasons, I think her generation and my generation feared the Russians, right? That during

01:13:15.820 my generation, it was the Cold War and even had these duck and cover drills in school. We were so worried

01:13:21.860 about a nuclear standoff or conflict with Russia. Today, people are out Christmas shopping. They're

01:13:29.220 debating Trump's cabinet picks. They're getting ready for Thanksgiving. No one's treating this

01:13:35.800 like we treated what arguably was a far less provocative situation in the Cold War. Like

01:13:42.080 we're actually engaged in a hot war right now with Russia in Ukraine, but we're ignoring it and it's

01:13:49.500 escalating. You're exactly right. And by the way, we, we should be afraid. Russia has 6,000 nuclear

01:13:58.100 warheads. And we should understand Russia is afraid of us. We have 6,000 nuclear warheads. Both sides have

01:14:05.640 1,600 actively deployed nuclear warheads aiming at each other. They're afraid of us. And you know,

01:14:15.280 this has been, uh, and they're afraid of us, not in some irrational, crazy sense, in the sense that

01:14:21.280 they actually don't want nuclear war and they don't want the United States military and its missiles

01:14:27.020 really on their border. And that's what people really need to understand about why this war is

01:14:33.920 taking place in the first place. What this whole thing in Ukraine has been about is that

01:14:41.440 our deep state got it in its head at the end of the Soviet Union back in December, 1991, that we

01:14:50.840 rule the roost. We can do what we want. We can go anywhere we want. We can decide where our missile

01:14:56.220 systems are. We can leave any treaty we want. We can put NATO military bases anywhere we want.

01:15:02.860 And that Russia couldn't do anything about it. It's literally that attitude, that, that arrogance or

01:15:09.000 that hubris. And so we started this NATO enlargement towards Russia. And the Russians kept saying, don't

01:15:15.780 do this. Don't do this. Don't come any closer. And we said, don't worry, it's our choice. We can go where

01:15:21.580 we want. And Clinton started the NATO expansion against the advice of top diplomats and experts,

01:15:29.180 military experts, and so forth. Maybe he wanted the vote of the Polish Americans in Illinois or

01:15:35.020 Michigan. That's so irresponsible. But the first wave of NATO enlargement was to Hungary, Poland,

01:15:40.900 and the Czech Republic. That was 1999. Then in 2004, George W. Bush Jr., another seven countries, Estonia,

01:15:50.680 Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia, and Slovakia, you know, just moving eastward. And the Russians

01:15:59.140 said, stop. Okay, stop. And then Bush and Cheney and Victoria Nula, now my colleague at Columbia University,

01:16:09.000 the ultra neocon, they said, no, no, we're going to go all the way to Ukraine and to Georgia,

01:16:17.160 right up against Russia's 2,100 kilometer border with Ukraine. And the Russians said, do not do that.

01:16:27.960 Do not come to our border. Like we once said to the Soviet Union, do not put military bases and

01:16:35.780 nuclear weapons in Cuba. But the United States said, we don't have to care. We can do whatever we want.

01:16:43.940 And that went through to promising that NATO would enlarge to Ukraine and to Georgia. Then the United

01:16:52.340 States helped to overthrow a Ukrainian government in February 2014 that wanted neutrality because

01:16:59.640 Why doesn't that get more attention? We lived through that. We covered that on Fox News. Just

01:17:04.840 yeah, spend a minute on what we did. Why doesn't it get more attention? Why doesn't it get more

01:17:08.460 attention? Because the New York Times and MSNBC and the mainstream media refuse to talk about any

01:17:16.520 history. And Megan, I know about it in the most absurd way because I could not get 700 words,

01:17:26.100 even online. I didn't demand print, just online in the New York Times to respond to the fact that

01:17:32.880 they said that the war that Putin launched against Ukraine was, quote, unprovoked. And they use that

01:17:38.540 word 26 times. My assistant counted in their op-ed columns during the first year after February 2022.

01:17:48.080 And the whole thing was provoked. And I happened to see it because I've been involved in that region

01:17:52.320 for more than 30 years. And the New York Times would not tell the truth. They would not inform

01:17:58.760 their readers, even with one online piece. You know, they could smother it with the fact that we

01:18:04.800 orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2014 with Hillary Clinton. They don't talk about any such stuff that we

01:18:14.140 do. You think they were interested in who blew up Nord Stream? Do you think they were interested in

01:18:19.100 who made the coup? Do you think they were interested in where the COVID virus came from?

01:18:23.860 You know, a thousand things that are really messed up. They don't cover at all because they're kind of

01:18:30.780 whatever the deep state tells us, whatever our official sources tell us, whatever our unnamed

01:18:36.840 official sources tell us, that's what we're going with. And so they don't cover this stuff. They don't

01:18:42.080 discuss any background, but they do carry a narrative. And the narrative is Putin is a madman and

01:18:49.460 a madman and wants to recreate the Russian empire, except, except, don't worry, he'll never do anything

01:18:57.800 with nuclear weapons. I mean, it's all completely inconsistent and incoherent. And if one understood

01:19:04.160 the Russian side of this story, not only the NATO enlargement that I just recounted, but the fact

01:19:12.480 that the United States, the U.S. unilaterally walked out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty

01:19:19.440 in 2002. And the Russians said, what are you doing? We have a nuclear arms control framework for

01:19:26.420 stability. And the U.S. said, nah, we do what we want. The United States walked out of the intermediate

01:19:32.680 nuclear force treaty in 2019. We do what we want. The United States stationed Aegis anti-ballistic

01:19:41.660 missiles in Poland and Romania, nearby Russia, and the Russians saying, don't do that. The United States

01:19:49.080 says, we do what we want. And then Putin asked Biden, we have reports, well, are you going to station

01:19:56.340 missiles in Ukraine? And the report is that Blinken told the Russian foreign minister,

01:20:05.320 Sergey Lavrov in January, 2022, we do what we want. It's none of your business. And then we're surprised

01:20:16.440 that there's war. And then we violate our own limits and we reverse our policies within days.

01:20:25.480 And we have no deliberation in the United States at all. It's not just people going to the malls.

01:20:31.320 Is there a senator or a congressman that's paying attention to this, frankly? It's just unbelievable

01:20:37.480 what is happening. It definitely seems like the Trump administration's aware. We know J.D. Vance is

01:20:41.380 paying attention to this, but they've got two months before- No, he is paying. He's gotten this

01:20:45.300 completely. He understands this completely. And President Trump has been very clear about this

01:20:51.940 also. I interviewed Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin, in Moscow, in St. Petersburg at his economic

01:21:01.000 conference. And then again, and the third time where we really sat down and went head to head on

01:21:07.620 a bunch of things, was in Kaliningrad, which is where they keep their nukes. And it was a really

01:21:14.640 humbling experience to be in a place that, with the press of a button, could launch the annihilation

01:21:21.500 of the world. And you really feel it in a very acute way. And especially when you're across from the man

01:21:27.460 who could do it, who, you know, unlike Kim Jong-un, where Trump's like, I've got a bigger button and

01:21:32.900 mine works. Putin's button works too. And if people keep saying like, he's evil, he's evil, he's evil.

01:21:39.340 And I understand what's happened in Ukraine and war is very ugly. But I've been saying to people,

01:21:45.080 it's more complicated than evil. Like he's strategic. He's making decisions that he thinks

01:21:51.700 are in the best interest of mother Russia. And we just dismiss him as this evil Cretan at our own

01:21:58.920 peril. Like we need to understand the greater situation that got us here. And more importantly,

01:22:03.100 that will get us out of here. And I think he is a rational actor. Like I think Trump is right

01:22:10.320 that he probably could get this thing resolved in a day. And how would he do that? How would he go

01:22:17.540 about doing that? Megan, not only is he rational, he's extremely intelligent. And not only is this

01:22:26.100 not some crazy act, it is understandable from Russia's point of view. And it is irresponsible

01:22:35.340 from the American side that we have pushed and pushed and pushed because of an arrogance that came

01:22:43.020 in the United States, strategic leadership at the end of the Soviet period, when they decided,

01:22:51.340 when people like Wolfowitz and Cheney decided, we can do anything we want, we can have any wars we

01:22:58.580 want. As literally Wolfowitz told General Wesley Clark, Russia can't respond, we can do what we want.

01:23:07.620 It is that arrogance that has been the biggest problem of all for us because it has gotten the

01:23:14.100 United States into less and less security like we are in right now. Now, this war could have been

01:23:23.520 avoided entirely at multiple points. I won't go through every bit of the history, but I will tell

01:23:30.080 you that at the end of 2021, President Putin put a draft security agreement on the table online also,

01:23:40.240 not just on the table so we could all read it. A U.S.-Russia draft security agreement. You can still

01:23:45.980 find it online. And the essence of it was stop the NATO enlargement. I called the White House at that

01:23:52.760 point. I talked to Jake Sullivan. I said, avoid this war. Negotiate. This is good diplomacy. He said,

01:24:00.040 no, no, we have an open door policy. I said, that's ridiculous. There is no such thing as an open door

01:24:06.080 policy that the United States gets to station its military bases anywhere it wants and expect others

01:24:12.840 not to have a say in it, especially when it's Russia and their say about the United States military on

01:24:21.020 their border. And yeah, he dismissed all of that. So that war totally could have been avoided. Then in

01:24:29.040 March 2022, I think people are not aware that Russia and Ukraine actually agreed on a peace

01:24:36.480 arrangement based on Ukrainian neutrality. And the United States nixed it. The U.S. told them,

01:24:43.140 fight on. No neutrality. We got your back. And as I often say, yeah, we have their back,

01:24:48.680 but not their front because they're being killed from the front. 600,000 Ukrainians dead since the U.S.

01:24:55.180 nixed this little thing. And Ukraine losing land in the process. Every day it gets worse. But in our

01:25:04.400 arrogance, we haven't stopped it. This is Biden's colossal failure. So could Trump end this in a day?

01:25:11.700 Yes. And the way to do it would be to go to the core of what this is about. This is about NATO

01:25:19.000 enlargement. This is about Russian national security. And to say properly and rightly,

01:25:24.980 Mr. President Putin, you stop the war and we end this wrongheaded idea of NATO enlargement to your

01:25:35.320 border. You view that as reckless. This was a bad idea. We need to keep a space between us. We are the

01:25:42.260 two most powerful nuclear superpowers in the world. We need a little bit of buffer in between.

01:25:49.340 Ukraine will be neutral. It will be secure. You stop fighting. We stop trying to draw it into our

01:25:56.360 military orbit. This is how the war ends. What happens with the territory that Russia's

01:26:00.640 already taken in Ukraine? Russia's going to keep a lot of that that it's taken because that's

01:26:06.080 ethnically Russian. And when Russia proposed, and again, you need to know the history of this. I

01:26:12.060 mean, you know, but people need to understand the history of this. Russia didn't make territorial

01:26:17.540 demands before this latest round starting in February 2022. What Russia had asked for, rightly,

01:26:27.160 was give autonomy to the Russian speakers of eastern Ukraine. And that was put into a treaty

01:26:34.920 backed by the UN Security Council, unanimously, called the Minsk II agreement. And what did the

01:26:42.860 U.S. do? It whispered to the Ukrainians, ah, you don't have to do that stuff. That's all right. Just

01:26:49.640 ignore the treaty. And so what would have been territorial integrity of Ukraine was squandered,

01:26:58.880 again, by the West, because we're very cynical and very arrogant. And so we think we can just

01:27:04.880 get our way. And it is- Okay, but let me follow up with you on that. Is it hubris? Is it hubris on

01:27:11.860 our part? Or is it like a desire for war or both? I don't think it's a desire for war. I think it's

01:27:21.080 being an absolutely arrogant, awful poker player. Because the United States kept saying,

01:27:29.160 if we do what we want, Russia has no alternative. You can actually go back in a fascinating,

01:27:37.300 completely wrong account given by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the, remember, the foreign policy guru

01:27:45.240 who wrote a book in 1997 called The Global Chessboard. And he talked about NATO enlargement.

01:27:53.820 And he has a chapter in it, which I went back to recently read, because it's kind of the blueprint

01:27:59.680 of what we did. And he reasons that we can do what we want because Russia has no recourse. And he

01:28:08.080 predicts, he says, well, Russia will never side with China. Russia will never form an alliance with Iran.

01:28:15.960 Wrong, wrong. So much is wrong. And he concludes by saying Russia has no option,

01:28:21.680 but to just go along with an expanding Europe and an expanding NATO. So he called it wrong. But that

01:28:29.300 is how the US acted. They were playing poker, excuse me, with a lousy hand. And they didn't

01:28:38.000 understand what was really going on. They thought Putin's not going to start a war over this. They

01:28:45.420 thought, well, if he does, our sanctions are going to kill the Russian economy. I know that because I

01:28:53.120 spoke to the US officials about that as it was happening. And Biden said it. It doesn't work.

01:28:58.320 Just watch, just watch, come back and, you know, let's check back in in six months or 12 months,

01:29:02.340 whatever he said. And Russia was fine. They had found other partners.

01:29:05.220 Exactly. And it was not hard to predict because these sanctions are always overblown. They can do

01:29:13.100 damage, but they're terribly overblown. Then it was going to be our, our miracle weapon systems,

01:29:18.780 our HIMARS and our ATACAMs and all the rest that were going to do it. In other words,

01:29:22.840 they kept saying, we'll win, they'll lose as this keeps escalating. You know, Obama did a lot wrong on

01:29:31.340 this because it was during Obama that this coup against the Ukrainian neutralist government was

01:29:40.340 launched with the US on February 22nd, 2014. So Obama has a lot to answer for on this, but he did

01:29:48.680 realize one thing. After that happened, he said, you know, we can't get into a war with Russia on this

01:29:57.220 because they have what, what Obama called escalatory dominance. If we raise the stakes,

01:30:04.100 they'll raise it further because for us going NATO enlargement, that's kind of a game. And it is a

01:30:11.140 game from the point of view of Jake Sullivan or others, but from the point of view of Russia,

01:30:15.960 it's existential. So Obama knew, well, they'll just keep escalating. I don't want to get into that.

01:30:21.900 Biden is just so, so bad at this and his team, Blinken and Sullivan, the whole team has been

01:30:30.980 terrible. But, but the whole point is they played it like a game. Whereas for Russia, this is first

01:30:37.280 order national security. This is the most basic stuff. And this is why we need to take absolutely

01:30:43.440 seriously. The change of the nuclear doctrine, the fact that from Russia's point of view,

01:30:51.080 they now regard the United States as actively attacking Russia with our missiles. And it's an

01:30:58.940 accurate assessment, by the way. And I'm just hoping and counting on President Putin as a very

01:31:07.580 rational and steely character, no doubt, tough minded and very rational to hold without blowing

01:31:17.200 things up so that President Trump can come into office and they can discuss things rationally,

01:31:24.240 which has not happened. But it's almost what we don't want is to have Joe Biden depending on

01:31:29.920 Putin's forbearance, knowing that Trump is coming in. You know, there's only so far he can be pushed.

01:31:35.900 I agree. I'm so dismayed and shocked by what's happened in the last couple of days because when

01:31:45.060 the Pentagon said before November 5th, we're not going to do this, they explained why. This is

01:31:53.480 dangerous. It's provocative. It will not change the course of the conventional war, but it could lead

01:31:59.940 to nuclear escalation. They explained all of it. They actually sent the British Prime Minister

01:32:05.900 packing because the British are exceptionally irresponsible in all of this. As a 19th century

01:32:13.860 imperial power, they have their delusions of grandeur still, and they want the United States

01:32:20.500 to do the dirty work. So Starmer came over to the White House, you'll recall, and tried to talk Biden

01:32:27.420 into this. And the Pentagon said, no, this makes no sense. Now, what also is very disturbing about all of

01:32:35.640 this from my point of view was that such a momentous decision was made without any explanation to the

01:32:43.680 public by President Biden. I don't know whether he can give an explanation anymore. I don't know who

01:32:48.960 really makes these decisions anymore, but it's not acceptable with our lives in the balance

01:32:55.940 and with the administration on its way out in a few weeks to be making decisions like this and then

01:33:03.900 period, but then not even accounting for them or explaining them.

01:33:09.940 That's right. And we see him, what do we see? We see him stumbling on the beach in Delaware,

01:33:14.880 missing the photo ops at the G20. Like there's no reason to believe he's in control and in command.

01:33:21.800 And we just pray for the next two months.

01:33:23.440 And the responsibility of him.

01:33:25.240 Let's do a brighter note because I haven't heard you talk about, because I said this to my audience,

01:33:30.400 when I went over to Russia those couple of times, I was floored by how loving the Russian

01:33:36.600 people were toward America. They love to hear that I was a U.S. citizen. They love to talk about

01:33:42.280 America. They had no animosity toward us at all. You know, our world leaders get us into these

01:33:47.800 conflicts and have these, you know, as we've just discussed, they they're not thinking the way the

01:33:52.200 citizenry is. But what could it what could the relationship look like in the next phase? You know,

01:33:57.980 when Trump gets in there and J.D. is in there, too, in his ear, what could things look like after we

01:34:04.280 wrap this thing up, which I I do think it will be wrapped up pretty quickly?

01:34:08.340 Let me just tell you that in December 1991, I was in the Kremlin because I was an advisor to

01:34:15.440 President Boris Yeltsin on his economic crisis that they were facing. And I sat in the room in

01:34:24.300 the Kremlin and Boris Yeltsin came from the far side of a very, very big room out into the room from a

01:34:32.760 back door in the background, walked up to the table and said, gentlemen, I was chairing a delegation

01:34:43.880 and he said, gentlemen, I would like to tell you the Soviet Union is over. He said, I've just been

01:34:51.440 meeting with the heads of the Soviet military pointed to the door in the back and said they

01:34:57.600 have agreed to the end of the Soviet Union. And then he went on to talk about how Russia would be

01:35:03.520 a normal country, friendly with the United States, friendly with Europe, a normal market economy,

01:35:10.260 a normal democratic country, how it wanted normalcy and good relations. And I spoke then and said, Mr.

01:35:18.660 President, I am sure that this is how the United States sees it, too. I am sure the United States

01:35:24.760 is going to give you a hand in this deep economic crisis that the Soviet Union fell into to help you

01:35:31.140 find your way out of this in a perfectly fine manner. Well, I was wrong. The United States

01:35:38.680 neocons did not want peace. They wanted dominance. They wanted what is called hegemony. They wanted

01:35:47.440 to be able to move NATO where they want. They wanted to be able to put American missiles where they want.

01:35:52.840 They wanted to leave whatever treaties they wanted. They behaved very, very badly. Could we have

01:35:58.880 normal cooperative relations with Russia? Of course we could. That's what they wanted. I saw it with my

01:36:05.500 own eyes. I heard it with my own ears. I was there. I saw it with President Kuchma of Ukraine. I was an

01:36:12.580 advisor to the Ukrainian government also. We had the chance, really, for peace. But the neocons didn't

01:36:19.580 want peace. They wanted hegemony. They wanted U.S. dominance. It was arrogance. And they played

01:36:26.760 things so badly for so many years, for more than 30 years now, to get us to this absolutely powerless

01:36:34.900 state that was unimaginable in 1991. Unimaginable that we'd be talking about whether there would be

01:36:42.540 a nuclear war between the two countries. So could Trump and Vance pull this back to normalcy? Of

01:36:49.000 course they could. And by the way, I have to say the same with China, because everyone says, oh, China,

01:36:55.500 we have to hate China. China's our biggest threat. We have to be nice to Russia so we can hate China.

01:37:01.720 This, too, is completely mistaken. We don't need to hate either of these countries. They both want peace

01:37:09.340 and cooperation and economic development. That's what they want.

01:37:13.880 Russia is a more persuasive case to me. China, there's just been too much negative news about

01:37:20.300 what they're doing. I know. Just recently, the secret police in New York are threatening Chinese

01:37:26.700 speakers there. I mean, the buying of the land. We're sending billions of dollars of armaments to

01:37:35.060 Taiwan that we, in our diplomacy, recognize as part of China. And if China starts sending

01:37:42.240 billions of dollars of armaments to one of the U.S. states, you'll know that we have a problem.

01:37:48.520 I have been going to China for- I agree with you. Now, having looked into the Taiwan situation,

01:37:53.180 the smartest people I've talked to say, we should not get involved in that. That's-

01:37:57.280 Absolutely. But that's the biggest-

01:37:59.600 But Taiwan's already part of China, and we shouldn't get involved over there,

01:38:02.900 and no one wants to see American boots on the ground in Taiwan, and we should stop

01:38:06.680 being so provocative with respect to Taiwan.

01:38:10.160 Bravo. That's the main point of irritants with China. The other point of irritants is the South

01:38:18.560 China Sea, because we have a doctrine that we have choke points on China's sea lanes. If we would just

01:38:25.220 calm down, we would find that there are plenty of grounds for cooperation. And that's the point.

01:38:31.520 We need to calm down. We need to stop being in the other guy's face, especially the face of another

01:38:39.460 superpower. We need to stop saying, we can do whatever we want. We can send our armaments to

01:38:45.460 Taiwan. We can strike with our missiles inside Russia. We have to get over that mentality. And then

01:38:53.520 we're going to find that there's actually the basis for cooperation.

01:38:57.400 Now, I've heard you go so far as to say similar things about Iran. Now, that's going to make

01:39:05.000 people's heads explode, because-

01:39:06.960 Well, let me do it. Let me do it.

01:39:09.240 They're trying to assassinate Donald Trump right now. There's no world in which we can have-

01:39:12.940 Okay.

01:39:13.240 Explain it to us.

01:39:14.000 First, they're not. And second, we have been assassinating their leaders for years, by the

01:39:20.120 way. This is bragged about by the United States. I happened to be in New York when the president of

01:39:29.960 Iran came to visit, and I listened to him speak. He's a heart surgeon, and he talked about as a doctor,

01:39:38.200 he saves the life of anybody, whether he likes the person on the operating table or not. He spoke about

01:39:45.320 peace the whole time. How was it reported in our media? War, war, war. The media, the deep state plays a lot of

01:39:53.960 games with us, Megan. They want to stir up war. They want to stir up military contracts. They want to stir up the

01:40:00.500 U.S. ability to do whatever it wants. I'm not buying it, because I see it with my own eyes.

01:40:05.580 Well, that, we got to continue this discussion in more depth, because I would love to get into Iran and China

01:40:12.580 more. But I think you're making a lot of sense on Ukraine. There's just, there's too much blood and treasure

01:40:17.420 lost already. They've lost the war. We have to acknowledge that, cut the losses, and try to move forward in a

01:40:23.940 constructive way, especially for our people, for Americans.

01:40:27.400 Exactly right. Exactly right.

01:40:28.820 Jeffrey, it's a pleasure. Thank you so much for being on. I love-

01:40:31.140 Great to be with you. Thanks so much.

01:40:32.340 Jeffrey Sachs, everybody.

01:40:33.380 Thank you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 21, 2024

Matt Gaetz WITHDRAWS as AG, and Biden Escalates Russia-Ukraine War in Final Weeks, with Andrew Klavan and Jeffrey Sachs ｜ Ep. 950

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