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00:00:29.180 connexontario.ca. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at

00:00:35.640 New East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show in today's double feature

00:00:46.680 mega episode. All right, Matthew McConaughey is one of the biggest stars in America, but he doesn't

00:00:54.020 live in Hollywood. He lives in Texas, where he was raised. And there's a really good reason for

00:00:59.820 that. It turns out some of the things that make us gravitate toward Matthew come from his down

00:01:06.820 home nature and his refusal to succumb to the glitz and glam of the Hollywood weirdos. And in

00:01:14.180 this interview, I think you'll come to like him even more than you probably already do. And then

00:01:18.920 there's the Barstool Sports founder, Dave Portnoy, who's got some very sharp elbows and some very

00:01:25.620 sharp takes and is always entertaining to listen to. So we have a fun pairing for you. I spoke with

00:01:32.140 Dave in person together at Sirius XM. It was a great conversation. Enjoy both. And I'll see you

00:01:37.920 Monday. I'd never been on stage and never done acting before. Any of that. Today on the Megan

00:01:47.380 Kelly show. From small town Texas to the bright lights of Hollywood, Matthew McConaughey burst

00:01:53.420 onto the scene with a line that became legend. All right, all right, all right. From breakout

00:01:59.640 star to king of the romantic comedies. Do you ever think about that night in the park? The nice guy

00:02:04.800 roles and nothing wrong with that. I was so successful at them that any dramas I wanted to

00:02:08.840 do, Hollywood was not offering me. Even if I took a huge pay cut, they're like, no, no, no,

00:02:12.720 mcconaughey stay in your lane at the height of all that fame he walked away i was ready to do

00:02:18.280 more dramas in life i was ready to stand up for things that i believed in to stand against things

00:02:23.080 i didn't there's no parachute lawyer you might just written yourself a ticket out of hollywood

00:02:26.960 only to return to greater glory and the oscar goes to matthew mcconaughey that's when i started

00:02:34.560 becoming more of a good man redefining himself as one of the most compelling voices in film

00:02:40.220 We all got good wolves and bad wolves in us. It's our choice to which wolf we want to feed.

00:02:45.020 I'm trying to do my best to feed the good wolf, knowing that the bad wolf's still hungry.

00:02:50.040 Today, he's here to share the lessons from that incredible ride.

00:02:53.540 This is a rodeo. If you want to get into this, I'm not saying you got a thick skin,

00:02:57.400 but you've got to know what's important to you. Knives are going to come at you whether

00:03:00.420 you deserve them or not. Fair has nothing to do with this.

00:03:04.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. We have a first-time guest

00:03:08.220 on the show today, who you likely know very well, or think you do. Matthew McConaughey is an

00:03:14.020 American actor and an Academy Award-winning one at that. He's also a best-selling author. He's a

00:03:20.000 husband, he's a proud dad, and he's a deep thinker who is out with a new book in which he shares

00:03:26.620 decades of reflections. Poems and Prayers is the name of it, and it's out right now. Matthew

00:03:33.660 McConaughey, welcome to the show. Megyn Kelly, good to be here. I love the book. I thought it

00:03:38.120 was so thoughtful. It made me stop, reflect, and be more thoughtful about everything from

00:03:44.580 faith to my own life philosophy in terms of getting after it or downshifting into a lower

00:03:50.260 gear. And I didn't realize how much I had in common with you, Hollywood man, because

00:03:56.500 you're really more of a Texas man who's been through a fair amount. Let me kick it off

00:04:02.080 on sort of a somber note. One thing we have in common is we both lost our dads at very

00:04:06.620 young ages. You, by my calculations, were 22. I was 15. They went suddenly, thanks to heart

00:04:14.540 attacks. And in both of our cases, it changed, of course, our lives, but also our life choices

00:04:21.080 and our life philosophies. Can you kick it off there? Like the you before you lost your dad and

00:04:26.640 the you after. Yeah. So I don't know about you, but I, at that time, I mean, I didn't think my

00:04:34.440 dad could die you know i mean i knew practically he had to one day but i thought he was the

00:04:38.740 abominable snowman and uh what i didn't i didn't there wasn't there wasn't any lead up to it there

00:04:45.860 was no fair warning there was no like oh it's time's coming it just happened and happened the

00:04:51.100 way he said it was gonna happen said boy when i go i'm gonna be making love to your mother and it

00:04:55.400 was a frisky monday morning at 6 a.m and that's what happened and that's how he moved on from a

00:05:00.120 heart attack um it I remember the call um and I remember my knees dropping out from my

00:05:06.600 it was from my mother she said your dad moved on this morning and uh yeah it was the very

00:05:13.520 unbelievable I didn't think it was possible um and then dealing with that you know going back

00:05:20.440 to the wake with the brothers and the and my mom and hearing stories where you find out that oh

00:05:26.040 the message maybe was a little different than the messenger which i was quickly able to forgive

00:05:30.920 because i understood that to just be a reality but um the loss um just keep living my phrase

00:05:38.980 came from that because i remember when i went back to work six days later i was on the set of

00:05:42.840 days confused my very first film and i was talking with the director richard linklater at magic hour

00:05:47.920 sundown we were walking around this football stadium i was like you know he's physically no

00:05:52.320 longer here but spiritually i i think i can keep calling him i can i can talk to him whenever i

00:05:56.960 want i can pick up the phone gotta keep the spirit alive and that's where just keep living came from

00:06:02.980 added on top of that look i was scared because he left my crutch was gone he was to me what was

00:06:10.520 above the law above government above religion boy if i was in a pinch and really need someone to have

00:06:15.660 my back that was gonna be my dad and now that crutch is gone now that that parachute's gone

00:06:19.760 And so I quickly was like, OK, boy, talking to myself, better quit acting like the things your dad taught you to do and be and start becoming the man that he taught you to be.

00:06:32.260 And that's been a process that I got kickstarted in right then, very hardcore, but I've tried to maintain throughout my life.

00:06:38.760 Did he want you going into acting? You just started. You weren't like the big star yet, although Dazed and Confused was a hit. But did he want you to do it?

00:06:46.800 This was before, and I want to say this.

00:06:49.460 There's a very graceful thing in hindsight about his death.

00:06:54.140 He was alive for the first five days of me shooting Days Confused.

00:06:57.920 He didn't come to the set or anything, but he was alive for me to start,

00:07:01.120 his final son, to start something that wouldn't be just a fad,

00:07:04.720 that wouldn't just be a hobby, start something that became a career.

00:07:07.460 I've always seen some grace in that.

00:07:10.380 But the call that I had with him two years prior to that,

00:07:13.740 well, I was headed towards law school at the University of Texas,

00:07:15.800 and it was a Tuesday night. I planned it. I said, I'm going to call him at Tuesday night at 7.30

00:07:20.560 p.m. It won't be Monday because there's too much stress about getting back to work. It'll be Tuesday.

00:07:25.520 End of the day, he'll be on the couch having a beer with mom. It'll be a great time to tell him

00:07:28.980 that I want to go to film school instead of law school. I made that call, 7.36 p.m. And he

00:07:34.080 answered. He said, what's up, monkey man? I said, hey, pop, I got something I want to share with

00:07:39.100 you. He said, what's that? I said, I don't want to go to law school anymore. I want to go to film

00:07:42.180 school and there's a long pause and i was like oh here it comes he's about to go you want to what

00:07:48.280 and he didn't he said are you sure that's what you want to do i said yes sir another long pause

00:07:54.520 and he said well don't half-ass it so he gave me more than license he gave me rocket fuel to go do

00:08:02.420 it did he have any reason at that point to believe in you you know had you been the big star on the

00:08:07.220 high school stage no i'd never been on stage i'd never done acting before um any any of that i think

00:08:13.920 what he heard though is something i think we all want to hear from our kids is a time when they're

00:08:18.960 asking us or telling us telling us i wasn't really asking i was going to do it right and i think he

00:08:23.900 heard that in my voice the way i said yes sir i didn't stutter i didn't blink i didn't whisper i

00:08:29.600 was he heard the security in my voice that i'd gone through to make this decision and hearing

00:08:34.860 that from me was I think he was like, okay, my son's asking, but he's not really asking. And I

00:08:40.640 think we all want to hear that from our children at some time after we give them guidelines. But

00:08:45.300 if they're going to break out of those guidelines to go their own way, don't come a bluffing. If

00:08:49.340 you're going to do it, do it. And he heard that. And that's where he came up with telling me,

00:08:53.560 don't have acid. But where did you get the confidence for that? Because there are millions

00:08:56.880 of kids out there right now who would love to be a Hollywood star. They're from Texas. They have

00:09:01.200 no connections to the industry it's a pipe dream it's not odds are overwhelmingly against you

00:09:07.600 so how did you think yeah why not me well so i started off i wasn't courageous or confident to

00:09:15.940 say i want to be in front of the camera yet but i was at that time courageous enough to say i want

00:09:20.260 to go into the film the storytelling business so i went to film school studying behind the camera

00:09:24.280 all right and i had been writing a lot of short stories at that time and i had a buddy in film

00:09:28.060 school i said these are really good short stories you might be able to want to turn these into

00:09:30.900 moving pictures it wasn't until a year later that i was in the right bar at the right time i got cast

00:09:37.400 and days confused and got in front of the camera and three lines turned to three weeks work all

00:09:41.880 right all right all right and i'm getting paid 320 a day and people are telling me i'm good at it

00:09:47.520 will you please come back tomorrow and do it again and i was like hell yeah i'll come back again is

00:09:52.500 this even legal i'm having so much fun and you're telling me i'm good at this i can make a living

00:09:56.180 been doing this. That's where I got the confidence and then continued on. And look, Megan, I didn't

00:10:02.300 go to Hollywood and have the long story of having to wait the tables for so long. I actually went

00:10:06.920 to Hollywood and the first two auditions I went on actually got the job. It was Angels in the

00:10:10.920 Outfield and Boys on the Side. So I had some dry spells later on in my career. But boy, when I first

00:10:16.680 got out there, I knocked out the first two auditions. You got them. Well, I'm not surprised

00:10:21.540 to hear that you were a writer. Because when I read Poems and Prayers, it was obvious. And the

00:10:27.260 thing that's special about the book is that it's a collection of poems and prayers from back when

00:10:31.700 you were a teenager, when you were like 18. And I wonder, I have been an avid journal keeper for

00:10:38.720 most of my life, but when I occasionally pull out the ones from that period, it's awful. It's very

00:10:46.360 humbling. And you had the courage to put it down in paper and publish it. So how does that feel

00:10:51.500 reading back on the earlier ones so i went back and saw the earlier ones and look you know even

00:10:56.800 in writing green lights part of that was going back and looking 35 years of my journey and i

00:11:00.900 looked at some of that stuff and i was like oh good gosh the shame the guilt going on are you 0.98

00:11:06.200 kidding me look at the arrogant little prick you were who do you think you but then after a while 0.86

00:11:11.860 started to chuckle at those things and that's why i added this point that poem in this book 0.98

00:11:16.020 which isn't a bad point, but it's a very self-serious poem of an 18-year-old boy

00:11:20.880 asking some big existential questions when you would think he would just be having a great fun

00:11:26.120 time summer in the end of the sunshine. And I added it because it was a time. I gave a damn

00:11:32.760 at 18. I still give a damn. I'm still working on trying to be a better man. I'm still questioning 0.89

00:11:38.540 what's going on in the world. I'm still pointing out stuff that I think is mendacious and not fair

00:11:43.800 in the world and i'm asking those questions and i still do so to see that i was doing that at 18

00:11:47.800 i'll mind you you could tell i had a thesaurus near i used some words in there that i'm like

00:11:52.320 you don't know what that meant and i still don't know what that word meant but give it a shot i

00:11:56.080 had a thesaurus near me you know what i mean but when i when i read the early writings i think this

00:12:00.320 is obviously an artist like this is an artistic person it's it should be no surprise that this

00:12:04.520 person did not wind up in law school and instead wound up in in the arts really telling stories

00:12:09.900 and bringing characters to life.

00:12:12.040 So it's kind of funny to me to think of you going to law school.

00:12:15.580 But you talk in the book, you write in the book about your previous,

00:12:19.500 maybe current, commitment to logic and reason

00:12:22.740 and how much that has appealed to you for your first 55 years.

00:12:26.240 But now you're kind of in a different phase.

00:12:28.000 So it does make some sense.

00:12:29.220 It's just not that common to see both the strong logic and reasoning thread

00:12:33.640 coupled with the artistic and creative ability and Jones.

00:12:38.480 So when I was in kindergarten, I was standing on the street corner outside of the school and the head principal came out and I was sitting there looking up at the sky at this cloud.

00:12:49.400 And I said, Mr. Mayor, is that cloud as big as the world?

00:12:52.580 And he goes, yes, Matthew, it is.

00:12:55.320 So in my whatever kindergarten, how old I was, five-year-old mine, six-year-old mom was like, well, if I can see the edges of that cloud and it's as big as the world.

00:13:05.260 And I know that that road trip we took from Texas to Pensacola took whatever, 15 hours.

00:13:10.860 And it was just that long on a map. If I can see the edge of that cloud, that cloud must be so far up in the sky that it's not even worth dreaming about.

00:13:18.980 So I'm going to put my head down. Forget Air Force, I'm Army. That was went through my head.

00:13:23.880 I was like, you've got to deal with what's right in front of you because what's out there is too far away.

00:13:28.620 So for 15 years, I just put my head down and dealt.

00:13:33.200 Didn't dream.

00:13:34.220 You know, at 16 years old, I take my first flight, commercial flight, and in 10 seconds, I'm in the middle of that cloud.

00:13:40.220 And I'm like, either this cloud goes a billion miles an hour or that cloud is not as big as the world is like Mr. Mayor told me it was.

00:13:45.500 Well, so I then come to learn, oh, clouds aren't that big.

00:13:48.480 They're not that far away.

00:13:49.560 And all of a sudden I was like, oh, well, so what's over the horizon is actually worth considering.

00:13:55.140 What's out there that you don't see right in front of you is worth dreaming about.

00:13:59.380 But still, the fact that I've always dealt and looked to logic, you know, us doers, I've always been a doer.

00:14:06.680 And us doers, we climb mountains.

00:14:08.820 Well, we're good climbers.

00:14:10.160 But because we've got our head down, we don't always climb the right mountains.

00:14:12.760 us dreamers you know look up and are always kind of measuring in the landscape which doesn't make

00:14:18.280 us very good climbers but we pick the right mountains so doers can help dreamers you know

00:14:23.600 um climb more mountains and dreamers can help doers climb the right ones and uh but i didn't

00:14:28.760 start dreaming until i moved to longview until i was about 16 years old so something you've made

00:14:34.780 some good choices with that combination because i look at you and you seem to me very much like

00:14:38.160 an outlier you we talked about you know the writing ability which not everybody in hollywood

00:14:42.320 has. A lot of people just want to be on camera. A lot of people just want to be a star in my

00:14:46.080 industry too. Poems and Prayers is the name of the book for those listening. So you've got

00:14:51.240 writing ability. You move out to California, you get cast in the first two things that you apply

00:14:55.540 for and you try out for audition. You become a star pretty quickly. And then unlike virtually

00:15:01.300 everybody who follows that path with success, you leave Hollywood, you go back to your native Texas,

00:15:06.780 you choose to raise your children there, you get married, you're in a long-term marriage,

00:15:11.140 like your marriage works which is rare in your in your industry by the way you're not the first

00:15:17.040 mcconaughey i've interviewed your lovely wife came on my show when i was at nbc there we go and so

00:15:23.100 all of these things suggest you're of a different mold and model than the average person out there

00:15:29.040 that you have to me a different value set and i think that's embodied in your book because what

00:15:34.760 i see in here is you love america you're a man of faith but like most of us who are people of faith

00:15:40.380 you struggle with it. What does it mean? How far can it take me? How can I humble myself in order

00:15:47.820 for it to really mean something to me? You love your children. You prioritize them over your job

00:15:52.580 and realize they're both important, but one is clearly the winner. So I wonder whether that's

00:15:57.580 all the job of the parents and Texas and whether you think all of this would have happened for you

00:16:04.240 if you hadn't pulled up out of Hollywood

00:16:06.640 and gone back home?

00:16:11.640 So the main reason I came back,

00:16:15.080 one of the main reasons I came back home

00:16:18.040 is I did go out there to Hollywood long enough

00:16:20.680 I wanted to get myself established.

00:16:22.560 You know, enough credentials to say,

00:16:27.860 oh, you can't just rock my boat and I'm gone, you know?

00:16:30.540 And also enough credentials where, you know,

00:16:32.780 if they want me they know where to find me and if they want me i will plan my routes out to

00:16:38.340 hollywood and line up meetings for two weeks and just go knock them all out um you know along along

00:16:45.600 the way it was also my mom's here my brothers are here uh as soon as camilla and i decided to

00:16:50.560 have children i wanted them to be raised here near my home and around their family um i wanted

00:16:58.600 them to be raised with the uh maybe what you could say is a little more common sense values

00:17:03.320 that i feel is around here where a mile feels like a mile and 60 minutes feels like an hour

00:17:07.440 um it's a it was a natural coming on for me it was also at that time i was doing romantic comedies

00:17:16.540 and i was the rom-com guy and i love doing them and i hope to do more later on wedding planner

00:17:23.520 with j-lo how to lose a guy in 10 days with kate hudson hi i'm benjamin barry andy anderson oh you

00:17:30.960 are already falling in love with me sarah jessica parker in one failure to launch yeah i had a nice

00:17:38.020 time i did too good night good night i was rolling in the rom-coms successful enjoying the heck out

00:17:46.460 of them at the same time i was so successful at them that any dramas i wanted to do hollywood was

00:17:51.600 not offering me, even if I took a huge pay cut. They're like, no, no, no, McConaughey, stay in

00:17:55.600 your lane. Like, okay, well, if I can't do what I want to do, I'm going to quit doing what I'm

00:18:00.700 doing. So moved back down here, dropped out. You didn't see me in any rom-coms. You didn't see me

00:18:07.660 shirtless on a beach. You didn't know where I was. And I knew it was going to be a bit of a desert

00:18:13.500 I was walking into because I was like, I might've just wrote my one-way ticket out of Hollywood.

00:18:16.800 And Camilla and I prayed on it, cried on it and said, I'm going to do it. I'm going to stick to

00:18:21.360 decision. And she goes, you know, this might last a long time. You don't know. There's no parachute

00:18:26.020 to pull her. You might just written yourself a ticket out of Hollywood. And I was like, yep, 0.95

00:18:29.220 but it's non-negotiable. This is what I'm going to do. Well, months went by and nothing. Six

00:18:34.980 months go by. Nothing. A year goes by. I talked to my age. He goes, Matthew, I haven't even heard

00:18:38.560 your name. You know, luckily at this time, Camilla's pregnant and we've got our first child

00:18:46.080 coming on, which really anchored me to have a little significance, you know, in a time when

00:18:49.740 And I was feeling very wobbly without anything, any work to do.

00:18:53.340 18 months go by.

00:18:54.840 And I remember this, the script comes in.

00:18:56.840 There's a romantic comedy, $8 million offer.

00:18:59.320 I said, no, thank you.

00:19:00.260 $10 million offer.

00:19:01.200 I said, no, thank you.

00:19:02.220 $12 million offer.

00:19:03.300 I said, no, thank you.

00:19:04.340 $14.5 million offer.

00:19:06.320 I said, let me read that again.

00:19:11.100 And let me tell you, it was the same words.

00:19:13.660 It's the same words as the $8 million offer, but it was better.

00:19:17.040 It was more well-written.

00:19:17.940 I could see this working for me.

00:19:19.540 you know, but ultimately I said, no.

00:19:21.620 And I think that sent a little bit of an invisible message to Hollywood.

00:19:26.480 Oh, McConaughey is not bluffing. He's, he's onto something here.

00:19:29.560 He's actually playing offense and affirmatively where he is.

00:19:33.440 And cut to four months later,

00:19:35.340 all of a sudden I get the calls for the dramas that I want to do.

00:19:38.080 And I just attacked them.

00:19:39.440 So that was a step out of Hollywood where I needed to rebrand and unbrand

00:19:43.280 really before I rebranded.

00:19:45.480 And then when did Dallas buyers club come?

00:19:48.240 2013 so that's about four years three years i think into that into that run after the two-year

00:19:55.240 hiatus 30 days i'm sorry 1.00

00:20:00.100 fuck this shit fucking 30 days motherfuckers let me give you a little news flash there 1.00

00:20:13.100 ain't nothing out there can kill fucking ron woodruff in 30 days 1.00

00:20:16.100 which led to academy gold was that before and after for you or like was that 0.97

00:20:25.560 actually a game changer or no because you'd already rejiggered and relaunched well look

00:20:31.460 it was a game changer in that hey there's my peers

00:20:34.680 saying we deem your performance the most excellent

00:20:40.980 male lead performance of the year that meant a lot to me sure as hell did um it wasn't something

00:20:47.540 that i've ever been out to prove or anything but to get that from my peers in the craft a lot of

00:20:52.980 them who i respect that that felt that felt really good now one of the things that's funny about um

00:20:57.680 uh winning an academy award is that things you say afterwards especially immediately afterwards

00:21:03.720 the things that used to be in small print are now in bold print even if you're repeating something

00:21:08.640 you said 10 years ago all of a sudden it's a bold print they're like wow that's original i go man

00:21:13.260 i've been saying that for 15 years now it's a bold print but it did open up it opened up a lot

00:21:19.820 of opportunities for me that i've tried to you know take advantage of as responsible as i could

00:21:24.740 and hey but then here's my question for you when robert downey jr won i think it was best

00:21:30.620 supporting actor this past like a year ago i think if memory serves i'm not as into it all but

00:21:34.960 i loved his opening line which was i'd like to thank my unhappy childhood which is like yeah so

00:21:41.580 good and probably true for a lot of actors right like that's where you get all the stuff that you

00:21:46.320 can draw on the stuff that you could put into a book like poems and prayers but is it true for you

00:21:51.320 no no it's not and you know i had a time where right after i called my dad and said i was going

00:21:59.340 to film school and he said don't half-ass it I get into film school I'm a frat guy I wear jeans

00:22:06.340 impress my shirt and they're tucked in and I go see blockbuster films on the weekend I got into

00:22:12.600 film school on my GPA because I had a 3.82 GPA I didn't have a piece of art so I get into film

00:22:18.160 school and everyone's in there wearing black and they're gothic and no one's got a tan here I am I

00:22:23.180 got a tan frat guy jeans you know and I'm questioning wait a minute do I need to be this

00:22:28.120 sort of Hamletian, you know, problems in life to be an artist, you know?

00:22:33.320 And I remember we have Mondays where you'd come back to the class.

00:22:36.620 You talked about what you saw that weekend.

00:22:38.560 And I'd always come back and go, hey, man, I just saw Die Hard, you know?

00:22:42.100 And they'd come back and go, I saw the Eisenstein thing at the Independent, you know?

00:22:47.180 Anyway, every time I bring up the blockbuster, like I saw Die Hard, they'd all go, oh, that 1.00

00:22:50.760 shit, that's corporate bullshit, man. 1.00

00:22:53.180 It's not right. 1.00

00:22:53.720 And I'm going, oh, man, I'm getting hammered here.

00:22:56.240 Maybe I'm not an artist.

00:22:57.460 and then one day i came in one day i come in and i say the blockbuster it was and actually the one 0.92

00:23:03.200 i'd said this day it was diehard and they go oh man that's bullshit and i said hang on a second 0.80

00:23:07.420 hang on just a second i go did y'all see it and they go well no no i mean we're just saying you 0.99

00:23:16.160 know it's like oh bullshit no you can't just say because it was populous it came from a big studio 0.98

00:23:21.720 and it played in a blockbuster that it's that it's crap i enjoyed it and that's when i went 0.99

00:23:26.600 I'm going to keep my shirt tucked in. 0.98

00:23:28.440 I'm going to keep my head in my fried house.

00:23:30.520 I'm rolling.

00:23:31.540 If I want to go spend the weekend watching Sharknado,

00:23:33.840 why should they be allowed to stop me?

00:23:35.760 Come on. 0.91

00:23:37.180 It takes all different kinds of tastes to keep the movie industry going.

00:23:44.800 What do you think of that?

00:23:45.840 Because there's been, I'll say, I just gave my own complaint on it.

00:23:49.040 And you saw the New York Times movie critic resigned two years ago saying,

00:23:52.280 I can't I can't I can't with just like the nonstop action hero movies like I miss plots I miss

00:23:59.580 drama I miss like real crescendos and decrescendos and plots that expose human frailty like what

00:24:06.940 happened to those movies and you and I grew up at exactly the same time I know you know what he's

00:24:11.000 talking about what I'm talking about yep can we get back to that I've heard Matt Damon do a riff

00:24:15.420 on this suggesting the way the studio system's set up now no what do you think so here's what

00:24:21.560 i've noticed happening as we're going into streaming like i've got this i've got a film

00:24:25.520 coming out the lost bus is there anybody that can go and pick these kids up

00:24:29.760 it is a film built for the big theater for the big screen we have a two two week run

00:24:45.680 limited screens in la new york and london before we stream straight to apple plus

00:24:50.800 that's where it's going and i feel like the streamers want to go let's forget the even even

00:24:56.020 the two-week theatrical releases just go straight to streaming now the problem with that is that

00:25:01.060 you've seen it everyone sees it you go on one of these streamers and you see this catalog of films

00:25:06.380 you know i don't know about you but i'm like when did they make that it's one of my favorite actors

00:25:10.000 when did they i didn't even see it didn't even hear about it so everything's kind of dropped

00:25:14.760 down to a low common denominator in a library so there's no exclusivity that you get of a precious

00:25:20.080 Oh, it's come out in the theater. Oh, if we want to see that actor or actress or director's film, we have to go out on Friday night when it opens and see it.

00:25:29.820 It doesn't have that as much. And I hope we can maintain that.

00:25:33.960 What's also happening is in this abbreviated attention span capacity that we talk about that people have.

00:25:42.740 What studios are first cutting is the first acts of films.

00:25:47.080 Now, the first act is where you set up the world for the viewer that tells you,

00:25:51.540 you may know where this story goes, but you've never been there with me.

00:25:54.680 So it's going to be specific.

00:25:55.900 I'm going to set you up with an original show.

00:25:58.840 The conflict that starts in act two, which is usually on page 38, now is on page 11.

00:26:04.400 It's like, start it, meet you, hi, know what you do, bam, conflict, let's get on with it.

00:26:08.600 No one wants to wait around or the studios don't believe they want to wait around for an interesting first act.

00:26:13.940 It's what was so pleasurable about doing True Detective. 0.99

00:26:17.360 Up your ass, Cole. 1.00

00:26:19.160 Why don't you do your own fucking legwork, you rat fuck? 1.00

00:26:27.520 Say it again with me. 1.00

00:26:29.540 Hey.

00:26:33.620 It was an eight-part series.

00:26:35.740 For three and a half hours, I get a first act,

00:26:38.080 which is an actor's dream because that's where I get to go,

00:26:40.460 here's how you could go on this journey with me that you've never been in or this relationship

00:26:45.440 that I have with Marty Hart. And I hope we don't keep abbreviating getting to know characters and

00:26:51.620 relationships that are specific and original. Because if we do, everything's just going to

00:26:55.500 feel like somewhat the same movie. I can relate to this, believe it or not, just going from cable

00:27:01.040 news to podcasting. It's much the same in that only like the reverse, right? Because the cable

00:27:06.660 news, you got to get up and down on it quickly and move on. There's no chance to establish the

00:27:10.400 character's uh background or fall in love with them or what have you just got to get you know

00:27:14.680 what's the news in and out whereas in podcasting you can build the story you can help the audience

00:27:19.700 get to know this character before you zero in on really why they're here yep yeah i mean you'd know

00:27:27.000 this you just said it i mean and i i didn't learn this for 10 years from doing press for a film or

00:27:32.620 a book you know you're going on i remember the first time i went on like leno you know you get

00:27:37.460 four minutes up there and i want to go well you know the thing you're already uh zap this is not

00:27:44.520 the format for the long term so you learn you pick your spots about what's my message what's

00:27:49.660 my window how do i hit it but for people that are interested in stories i want to i don't ever want

00:27:56.380 to lose the longer format um and will there be a rebellion back to people going i don't want a

00:28:02.900 short snippet. No, I want the longer format. I want to take the time. They can hear it on audio

00:28:08.240 now. They can drive it and listen to it or watch it. Yes. They're consuming information differently,

00:28:13.640 which I think will lead to a desire for more meaningful conversations. I just think it's,

00:28:18.280 that's why these other models are, they have limited shelf lives and no offense to these

00:28:22.720 superhero action movies because there's definitely an audience for those, but longer form storytelling

00:28:28.020 is still an art form that many of us thirst for

00:28:30.780 and would absolutely consume with a lot of dollars.

00:28:34.820 Now, in The Lost Bus, you have an interesting situation

00:28:37.200 because you have your son.

00:28:39.760 Your son, Levi, is starring in it, 17 years old.

00:28:44.200 And I've actually, so I'm kind of drafting behind you

00:28:47.580 on the childhood front because my kids are

00:28:49.140 almost your kids' ages.

00:28:50.780 They're 15, 14, and 12.

00:28:53.140 And now that they're getting to be like real humans,

00:28:55.720 you know, like where they're on the cusp of adulthood. I've asked myself this question about

00:29:01.560 nepotism, the nepo baby. And, you know, when you're the mother of a kid who's, you know, 1.00

00:29:07.800 through no fault of their own is born to you and you might be a public figure,

00:29:11.400 it's hard to call it that, you know, as opposed to like, well, if my kid wanted my help getting

00:29:15.840 into my industry, I'd probably give him an open door and then let him take it. And you were

00:29:21.500 recently in this position can you tell us what happened yeah and that uh nepotism questions are

00:29:27.160 really good one because i don't want my kids to ever feel entitled at the same time do i believe

00:29:33.180 with people in my own life outside of my family that if you want to know where the arrow is going

00:29:38.300 look at where it was shot from um and so there's real practicality to that my son as i pitch films

00:29:45.340 that i'm into my family all the time my son comes to me and he i knew that there was a role as

00:29:49.780 a young boy to play my son he says how old is that kid i said he actually he's about 13 14 which

00:29:55.360 was levi's age at the time he goes can i read for it and i was like kind of just straight faced him

00:30:01.160 and walked off i wanted to see how much he wanted it if it was just a whim on he comes up four more

00:30:06.060 times over the next week can i read for it can i read for it can i read for it okay you want to

00:30:11.220 read for it let me tell you what this acting thing's about this is not just a little hey hey

00:30:16.000 what if i'm going to teach you something about this you got to revere this craft and you got

00:30:19.500 to work at it. So let's work on this character right now. We'll get a read. We did. I put it

00:30:23.480 on camera. I saw on camera. I was like, oh, he's got presence. He can hold a frame. He's being

00:30:27.600 honest in front of the camera. That's good instincts. Okay. I sent it

00:30:31.580 to the casting director and I said, Francine, I think it's maybe good

00:30:35.500 enough for a callback. What do you think? And she wrote back and said, I think it's good enough to send to the director.

00:30:39.620 And I said, oh, okay. Will you do me a favor? Will you pull his

00:30:43.460 last name off? Because I just don't want it preceding

00:30:47.680 you know anyone's opinion to help or to help her and she goes yes right you don't want to send the

00:30:52.800 message i'm phoning in a favor here hey you know kind of hey it's playing my son if you do me a

00:30:58.140 favor i would not make that call and i'm not going to make that call again open the door but once you

00:31:02.680 get in the door son daughter you go handle but i did open a door i had access to get his read to

00:31:08.040 the cast director well the director sees it and says that's the kid she goes well that happens

00:31:12.180 to be Matthew's son he goes even better so he got the role um which makes I'm very proud of and he

00:31:18.560 did it on his own merit and his own talent okay but now let me ask you about part two part two

00:31:22.560 so then he so he stars in it is it's about to launch and now I think at this point in the

00:31:29.000 process I haven't yet gotten there and none of my kids have said they want to go to media I'm just

00:31:32.800 saying like I would help them uh I think I'd be living in in terror of bad reviews of nasty

00:31:40.000 The internet trolls, it's one thing when they come for us. 0.51

00:31:42.180 Who cares? We're used to it.

00:31:43.440 But come for my kid?

00:31:44.840 I mean, that's the kind of thing I might toss and turn over at night.

00:31:48.280 I have not tossed and turned.

00:31:49.660 Maybe that's because I said, get ready for it.

00:31:51.640 It's going to happen anyway.

00:31:53.200 I said, your last name is going to get you praise in places maybe you didn't deserve it.

00:31:59.100 It's also going to get you slammed in places you don't deserve it.

00:32:02.660 So this is a rodeo.

00:32:04.420 If you want to get into this, I'm not saying you've got to have thick skin,

00:32:07.100 but you've got to know what's important to you,

00:32:08.660 and you've got to be ready to hit.

00:32:10.200 Knives are going to come at you

00:32:11.280 whether you deserve them or not.

00:32:12.840 Fair has nothing to do with this.

00:32:15.060 So if you love doing the craft enough

00:32:16.940 and you're good at it,

00:32:18.120 you stick your, put your head down and do that.

00:32:20.100 And the rest of that,

00:32:21.260 you've got to have thick skin about

00:32:22.780 because that's going to happen.

00:32:24.240 Fair has nothing to do with this.

00:32:26.700 That's a great life lesson.

00:32:29.220 In the book, you write,

00:32:31.080 in Poems and Prayers, you write,

00:32:32.260 I wrote it down.

00:32:33.400 Your number one job is helping your kids

00:32:34.940 become who they are,

00:32:36.340 not who you want them to be.

00:32:37.760 shoot it into my veins it's exactly right so many people don't get it matthew they think

00:32:43.620 the kids are a do over and you've come to the same realization that doug and i have which is

00:32:50.320 that dna thing has a lot to do with how they show up and we just kind of fool ourselves that we're

00:32:57.600 the big maestros about where it's going but that was the biggest surprise to me about having

00:33:02.680 children i thought it was 90 10 environment culture to dna and all of a sudden it's like oh

00:33:07.880 it's closer to the opposite right yes yeah totally but that's i mean i would imagine

00:33:14.620 especially in hollywood that's not a lesson everybody understands you know because it's

00:33:20.800 a very hard charging ground for me to dump on hollywood non-stop though i'll be honest my

00:33:24.560 audience can't stand hollywood um but it's a very hard charging group of people that have made it

00:33:31.260 in a very competitive industry, like they've made it at the top. So they've got to be somewhat

00:33:35.240 cutthroat, but then you have a kid and everybody out there is probably facing a similar

00:33:39.860 challenge, which is how do I maintain my kid's competitive drive,

00:33:46.580 notwithstanding the fact that they've been born into a life of luxury and privilege,

00:33:51.160 et cetera. Right. And like, I don't know. I think too many parents would default to

00:33:55.940 i'll make him a killer as opposed to i will sit back and figure out like let him figure out whether

00:34:03.000 he wants to be a killer well you know how it is i mean it's it's there's a lot of parents and you

00:34:12.580 probably know him as well that for my money i think become or want to be friends with their

00:34:17.960 children when they need to be parents to them and that friend to their children is sometimes a bit

00:34:23.580 of that do-over hey maybe you can pick up where i left off and become a better version of me

00:34:28.040 which is that's not what a child's acting asking for early on um you know do-overs i i i i i think

00:34:39.540 that kids want us to be a parent to them early are you more traditional dad i mean i know you're

00:34:46.460 married to a brazilian woman and i have a lot of brazilian friends i know that they tend to like

00:34:50.740 a more traditional man and you're from texas so i kind of feel like you'd be more of a trad dad but

00:34:56.420 look i'm more i go i call it and this is not a a political term but i call it conservative very

00:35:02.800 liberal late i want my kids to know how to block and tackle know your manners and graces and

00:35:08.000 arithmetic and respect before we're going to go fly our freak flag and say whatever so i think

00:35:14.640 art emulates life i want them to learn who they are and who they are not in life

00:35:19.820 before they're going off into imaginations.

00:35:24.480 Now, you can create whoever it is you want to be,

00:35:27.840 but let's have a foundation that we understand about how we act

00:35:31.280 and how we treat ourselves and each other before we go off into, you know,

00:35:36.640 la-la land of dreams and creation.

00:35:38.500 Again, how I grew up, learned to deal before I learned to dream.

00:35:41.360 That's sort of my look at it.

00:35:43.740 I believe in consequences.

00:35:45.380 I believe in discipline.

00:35:46.700 I also believe that sometimes as I'm learning right now,

00:35:49.640 I did not know, Megan, that I always thought you went from father to later on a friend.

00:35:54.620 And I did not know that there's a bridge in the middle there called Big Brother as a father.

00:35:59.060 And I'm able to be a big brother, especially now that my kids are teens.

00:36:02.540 And I can kind of put my hand on their back and maybe not judge them as quickly and go, I know what you're talking about.

00:36:07.540 Let me tell you this story about when I was in high school.

00:36:10.280 And the other great thing about teenage kids is I don't have to edit my good stories as much to them anymore.

00:36:14.700 now which period of your life are the best stories from

00:36:19.700 oh i mean i've got some starting back from when i was eight i think the best stories were probably

00:36:30.260 oh man every decade had a great story i would say i could pick them out all over the place

00:36:35.880 there's things there's things i look back at that uh that i that i did when i was younger

00:36:39.340 that makes me happy to be here and live.

00:36:43.000 But there's been some great stories,

00:36:45.820 which I cataloged along the way,

00:36:47.380 and mostly in Green Lights

00:36:48.260 and somewhat in poems and prayers.

00:36:50.280 I think there's been some pretty good stories along the way.

00:36:53.100 Well, you don't seem risk averse.

00:36:55.440 You've outlined it, leaving Hollywood

00:36:57.340 and saying, I'm just going to do it differently.

00:36:59.020 That was a huge risk.

00:36:59.840 But your life philosophy does not,

00:37:01.820 as reflected in poems and prayers,

00:37:03.160 does not seem to favor safe spaces.

00:37:05.020 It seems to favor, take the big risks

00:37:07.540 and don't die in your bed saying, I never got hurt.

00:37:12.720 Right.

00:37:13.560 Well, that's a constant thing to measure, isn't it?

00:37:18.540 Because especially after getting successful, having a family,

00:37:21.940 things that I've built that I want to maintain

00:37:24.480 that I'm not going to be foolish with, all right?

00:37:27.540 At the same time, I don't want to get complacent and safe and go, 0.89

00:37:32.200 okay, this is it.

00:37:33.100 Everyone just huddle up, keep everything else out.

00:37:35.780 I still want to take risk. And it's also, you know, something that I know women, I'm sure they do, too.

00:37:42.920 But men go through in middle age. You're at the bottom of the horseshoe.

00:37:45.800 Like, are we taking the risk anymore? How do we still take a chance with the take the right kind of risk?

00:37:51.000 And I still want to take the right kind of risk, but I don't want to be foolish with what I've built,

00:37:54.560 because some of the stuff I've built is non-negotiably going to be on my table and in my life until I leave this one.

00:38:00.540 You know, I have that passage in poems and prayers. I'm curious, you know,

00:38:04.580 if if if it's got happier if we take eight major risk in life and pull off seven of them or is he

00:38:12.080 happy when we take a hundred risk and pull off eight you know it's like a little bit of that

00:38:17.180 you don't want you coming back money you know what i mean right i think he's saying if you

00:38:21.360 didn't take enough risk if you did it would maybe maybe that's the sin you know what i mean

00:38:27.340 yes and uh if you didn't it's it's it's you know the sin comes from an archery term to miss the

00:38:34.300 mark that's what the word sin comes from to miss the mark we miss the mark all the time and i don't

00:38:41.660 want to quit taking the chances to miss the mark i want to make want to hit the mark but don't want

00:38:46.020 to go out going well i never shot it's even harder when you've reached your level of success because

00:38:51.800 now you do have a lot to lose so you know to keep challenging yourself to keep making yourself go

00:38:57.040 out there and take the big risks it gets even scarier right it's one thing when you're up and

00:39:01.180 coming it's like what the hell or even when you're on the middle of the ladder but when you're at the

00:39:05.080 top of the ladder with all the things a lot of people would say i'm gonna stay i'm gonna hold

00:39:10.180 yeah i'll hold i'll hold you don't feel that way um i hope not look i've been told by many people

00:39:17.720 that are close to me that my biggest asset is that i take risk i also think that that's what

00:39:24.020 i need to take more of that i don't take enough so as it is what could that look like now what

00:39:28.940 could that look like for matthew mcconaughey at 55 um putting my cards on the table of who i am

00:39:36.980 in this big movie that i'm living that was action was called the day i was born and cuts called the

00:39:41.620 day i'm leaving this life the documentary that i'm living that we're all living putting it on

00:39:46.200 and going and it's what i'm doing a bit up now and i still have a ways to go i'm creating characters

00:39:50.700 that I believe in and want to play in my own life

00:39:53.880 and saying, what are you doing live?

00:39:56.960 What's happening?

00:39:57.940 The camera's rolling.

00:39:59.780 It's been rolling since the day you were born.

00:40:00.960 Why do you have to go off to do someone else

00:40:03.180 that something else wrote and is directing

00:40:06.200 and is put in cinematographer and then editing?

00:40:09.100 Get rid of those filters.

00:40:10.680 What am I doing live?

00:40:12.160 Who am I live in life?

00:40:14.720 That's what I'm pressing myself on

00:40:17.000 mainly for the last six years more so.

00:40:20.700 than any time. And I hope I'll continue to press on myself to do that.

00:40:24.980 That, okay. That leads me to one of my favorite pieces in the book, which is on page 77,

00:40:31.140 it's good man. And you write as follows. There's a difference between a good man and a nice guy.

00:40:37.980 A good man stands for certain ideals. And when those beliefs are contested,

00:40:42.420 a good man is not a nice guy. No, I love that. Can you talk about how you

00:40:49.220 came to that realization? Yeah. So, you know, part of it, I think the best example would be

00:40:59.620 around that time I was doing nothing but the rom-coms. You know, those were, those are nice

00:41:04.260 guy roles. They worked. I enjoyed them. I was getting paid well. They were easy to do. They

00:41:09.680 felt like a Saturday. The nice guy roles and nothing wrong with that. But I was ready to do

00:41:16.620 more dramas in life. I was ready to stand up for things that I believed in to stand against things

00:41:21.380 I didn't in life. And I wanted to also find roles that I could do that in. That's when I started

00:41:27.420 becoming more of a good man. And that means you're going to run into conflicts. That means you're

00:41:32.620 going to have to go against the masses at certain times. That means you're going to have to lead

00:41:37.240 when you'd rather just sit back and watch sometimes. That means you're going to have to

00:41:41.000 run towards crisis instead of away from it sometimes. That means you're not going to be

00:41:44.920 proper that means you're going to receive the the blades in the back and and and it's okay if you

00:41:50.340 it's easier too i know for me when my faith is stronger because i can schlep those things off

00:41:55.980 because i'm going no no no i'm playing an immortal game here stay that's the game i'm playing don't

00:42:00.080 worry about the mortal game worry about the immortal game um so to have the courage to do

00:42:05.620 that and what you stand for and don't stand for and i always like to say this to people that are

00:42:09.980 as we're finding ourselves, especially young people.

00:42:12.800 It's harder to say, oh, who am I and what do I want to do?

00:42:16.920 It's easier to go, well, let's define who I'm not

00:42:19.560 and what I don't want to do

00:42:20.820 and eliminate those people, places, and things

00:42:23.340 and habits that we have in our life

00:42:24.640 that are not paying us back.

00:42:26.680 Get rid of those.

00:42:27.920 And by sheer mathematics,

00:42:28.880 you'll have more things in front of us that do feed us.

00:42:31.860 And hey, we all got good wolves and bad wolves in us.

00:42:34.800 It's our choice to which wolf we want to feed.

00:42:37.020 I'm trying to do my best to feed the good wolf,

00:42:39.260 knowing that the bad wolf's still hungry okay speaking of the wolves the wolf of wall street

00:42:45.180 how fun was that role i've got to ask you this is an amazing role what can i bring for you on

00:42:51.900 this glorious afternoon well actor here's the game plan you're gonna bring us two absolute

00:42:56.860 martinis you know how i like them straight up and then precisely seven and one half minutes after

00:43:02.420 that you're gonna bring us two more then two more after that every five minutes until one of us

00:43:08.200 passes the fuck out excellent strategy sir i'm good with water for now though thank you

00:43:15.240 this is first day on wall street give him time first time to work with scorsese first time to 0.82

00:43:21.140 work with leonardo i'm getting called in for a day's work i'm a little nervous i get there really

00:43:26.840 but this character oh yeah i always i still get nervous no matter what i'm doing i get nervous

00:43:31.320 every single day at work just the right amount i want i want to want i don't want to lose the

00:43:34.260 butterflies yet um and i go in and one of the things i do not only on that show but on all

00:43:41.900 shows is before i'll do a scene you know i'll start banging my chest and find some sort of

00:43:47.860 tune and i'll hum it out and everything and it's to relax myself um i'll do it before interviews

00:43:52.900 sometimes relax stuff get out of my head find the rhythm and then come into the the scene well i was

00:43:58.480 doing that before the scene with leonardo wolf of wall street but then as soon as we go action i'd

00:44:04.640 stop and we do the scene we do the scene four times got it funny perfect let's move on marty

00:44:13.300 says let's move on it was leonardo's idea leonardo raises him he goes hang on a second he goes what's

00:44:17.600 that thing you're doing before every take and i told him what i just told you to relax and get

00:44:21.360 my voice down everything he goes what if you did that in in the scene i was like great and the next

00:44:26.980 take is the one you see in the movie. Oh, no way. Oh, that's amazing. Well, that's a great thing

00:44:49.760 about you. You truly do have range. I mean, like it's not it's not every guy who can do both the

00:44:53.960 how to lose a guy in 10 days that scene in wolf of wall street dallas buyers club and true

00:44:59.940 detective right and speaking of true detective i gotta ask who is your best friend in hollywood

00:45:05.520 and why is it woody harrelson woody has been a great friend of mine for a long time i mean

00:45:12.640 i get i get younger anybody who spent time with woody he's one of the last wild men a perpetual

00:45:19.180 eight-year-old, has no context of time. And I mean, he can frustrate the heck out of you.

00:45:24.420 But he may show up three days late. He may show up barefoot three days late to your wedding,

00:45:29.060 but you can't get mad at him because if you showed up a week late for his wedding,

00:45:31.660 he don't care. So what do you always like to say? Hey, even if you're going to the Oscars,

00:45:38.220 it's probably best to bring your bathing suit. I can't imagine the cast of characters that has

00:45:45.160 been in and out of your life i wondered though like thinking about yes who do you hang out with

00:45:49.900 his friends anybody in hollywood like are you friends with the hollywood people or no you're

00:45:52.780 friends with the texas people well i'm friends i've got some i've made some very good friends

00:45:57.020 in hollywood i mean um but also some friends that i'm still friends with people that i was

00:46:03.580 friends with in college i've made i'm still friends with my buddy cole hauser was just in town

00:46:07.860 um he and i met on days confused um he's having a great time now career-wise with his role as rip

00:46:14.800 and in Yellowstone.

00:46:16.680 I know, he's amazing.

00:46:17.320 We're developing a project together.

00:46:20.000 I still talk to Rory Cochran, who I met on Days Confused.

00:46:22.920 And these are all friends of mine who are actors that I met in 1992.

00:46:27.660 Cole Houser was also in Good Will Hunting, which is like crazy that that was him.

00:46:33.040 Yeah, young Cole Kinney with his short red fro.

00:46:37.020 So I made friends along the way and met some wonderful people in Hollywood as well.

00:46:42.580 Okay, but here's where I wanted to take it.

00:46:44.800 Is there anyone in Hollywood who you really admire, like whose values you admire?

00:46:50.060 I'm sure you admire the work of many people, but like, is there somebody who's living in a way that you think, yeah, that's hashtag goals right there?

00:46:57.960 Well, I always looked up to the way Paul Newman led his life as a talented actor on screen, married to Joanne all that time, the only marriage throughout.

00:47:09.260 the way he was able to be completely in the spotlight, but also live his own life.

00:47:16.040 I always admired that.

00:47:18.820 And like you, also then gave a bunch of time and money to charity.

00:47:23.060 Like, didn't just rest on his laurels.

00:47:24.480 Gave over $100 million to charity, thanks to Paul Newman.

00:47:29.240 And made that, that was a part of his life that was on his proverbial desk every Monday

00:47:35.240 morning in his life.

00:47:36.320 He made that a part of his life, and that was his choice.

00:47:38.520 You know, people always go, yeah, but you've succeeded.

00:47:40.340 You have the responsibility.

00:47:41.560 I don't, I don't, I think that's an easy place to go.

00:47:43.860 Don't go to responsibility.

00:47:45.320 If you've got the chance, you have the choice and the ability, but choices give us a lot

00:47:51.020 more ownership than saying, oh, it's his responsibility.

00:47:53.100 I ought to do it.

00:47:54.160 But he did.

00:47:55.040 He did.

00:47:55.540 So I've, I've, I've looked up to his life.

00:47:58.180 You know, I learned something though from some people and I won't say their names.

00:48:02.560 They were elder men in the business.

00:48:06.180 And this is when we first had, Camille and I first had children.

00:48:09.500 And I said to them, they had children.

00:48:11.480 And I said to them, hey, you know, you go on the road, you go on set for three months, five months, whatever.

00:48:18.380 Do you take your family and your kids with you?

00:48:20.400 And they said this version of this.

00:48:21.980 Look, it's either their friends or their dad.

00:48:25.760 And all of them that I talked to said they chose to let their kids stay back and have their lives in their schools and be with their friends.

00:48:34.040 and not come to work with dad.

00:48:37.940 And all of them said, if I could do it again,

00:48:42.440 I'd have made them come with and choose to be with dad.

00:48:46.260 And so when Camille and I had kids, before she pulled the goalie,

00:48:50.180 she said, if we're going to do this, one condition, you go, we go.

00:48:57.000 And so it's been a real privilege for me as a father and a husband

00:49:02.000 and the head of the family, that anytime I go to work, the family comes with.

00:49:08.980 And that's been a major sacrifice for Camilla, but one that she would openly say it reaps

00:49:16.340 more rewards than it does deficits.

00:49:19.040 And it is getting harder now.

00:49:21.060 And you're seeing this with your kids getting older.

00:49:22.740 It's getting harder because they're older.

00:49:25.580 They have social sort of circles and rhythms and teams.

00:49:29.400 They're a part.

00:49:30.060 and I don't know what I'm going to do the next time.

00:49:33.260 You know, this last one,

00:49:34.340 I just did what I could to get it to shoot

00:49:35.920 in my hometown of Austin

00:49:36.900 because I didn't want to take them away.

00:49:38.480 You got to cast more of the kids.

00:49:39.960 More of the kids need to go into the next movie.

00:49:41.760 That's it. 0.96

00:49:42.640 Cast more of the kids and shoot more down the road. 0.98

00:49:46.240 The other thing is, 0.91

00:49:47.140 as they get more into the teenage years,

00:49:48.880 the friends do become more important.

00:49:50.380 And I was told by a very smart guy,

00:49:52.440 do not, do not, Dr. Leonard Sachs,

00:49:54.480 do not bring kids' friends on family vacations.

00:49:58.640 the family vacations the family outings are for you for you five not for you five plus their three

00:50:04.680 friends if you bring the friend your kid's going to be talking to the friend at dinner and at

00:50:09.040 breakfast and at lunch and like that's your time it's like to buy but now as they get older and

00:50:13.740 the friends but i'm gonna i'm gonna hold to it and i usually hold to it too like that's the time

00:50:18.780 for bonding working on it we had this we had this last night look it was first day of nfl football

00:50:24.540 Sunday and Austin FC, our local soccer team, that other part owner and was playing.

00:50:30.560 And it was getting close to time.

00:50:31.740 Go to bed and everyone to eat dinner.

00:50:33.180 And it was like, oh, let's keep the game on.

00:50:35.140 And we said, no, let's turn that off.

00:50:37.740 And as soon as we turned it off, you could tell that it wasn't like anyone was missing

00:50:41.840 out that much.

00:50:42.500 But all of a sudden, we had an hour and a half where it was just us, the five of us.

00:50:48.600 And we caught up on everyone on the last week.

00:50:50.940 and everyone started swapping stories about this week

00:50:53.240 and boys and girls and school.

00:50:55.420 And it wouldn't happen unless we turned that tube off.

00:50:58.280 Yeah, we had a blackout on Saturday here where we live.

00:51:02.340 It was like a weird storm that came through.

00:51:03.840 It was like a monsoon that just came

00:51:05.400 and parked over our neighborhood.

00:51:07.160 And it was great because, well,

00:51:10.100 what happened was all the power went out.

00:51:12.020 And I said, oh my God, wait a minute.

00:51:13.640 We got a generator.

00:51:14.600 We're good.

00:51:15.300 And the generator kicked in.

00:51:16.520 I was like, this is amazing.

00:51:17.520 What a luxury.

00:51:18.220 And then the generator died.

00:51:19.260 like that's his one job candles it's your one yeah but i mean like this is like being an actor

00:51:24.720 like you're the understudy on a broadway show and the star is out there's your big chance

00:51:29.000 and you're like i can't do it that's what happened to my generator anyway we sat we wound up playing

00:51:34.360 a trivial pursuit with the kids it was so fun you know it's like you don't you don't do that that

00:51:40.000 that often anymore it was like such a good time you know what i hear if you're this i don't know

00:51:45.280 what you do with your kids in social media um and we don't we've allowed levi when he turned 15 to

00:51:50.580 dabble on the grams and such and the other kids not yet but all their friends have it the tiktoks

00:51:59.220 and instagrams everything but i've talked to them and their friends and i've said so if you could

00:52:06.760 choose if socials were just not available to anyone or it is as it is now what would you choose

00:52:16.160 every kid even the ones that have the tiktok which are like oh if if i have to be on it but

00:52:21.800 if it wasn't available oh i'd take that yep very interesting they're all saying i mean i have to

00:52:28.600 feel like i have to be on it to stay socially current but if it was an option for it not to

00:52:32.840 be available oh please well look how we grew up look i mean like look how we were in the 70s and

00:52:38.680 the 80s we didn't have any of that like you ran around your parents didn't know where you were

00:52:42.700 you spent your day with your friends you had to come home when the street light went on

00:52:45.800 that was it you didn't have to worry about and bullying was like the old-fashioned style if it

00:52:51.280 didn't happen while you're in school it wasn't gonna happen they couldn't get you at all hours

00:52:54.860 of the day you know like on a little device that's in your pocket it's very complicated for these

00:52:59.200 kids but i do think they get more sophisticated earlier and they're gonna need these skills at

00:53:05.680 some point to navigate the future that's coming you know like ai and everything's online it's

00:53:09.760 like we're a bunch of dinosaurs our generation i know i'm trying to navigate not being a dinosaur

00:53:16.320 but still holding on to the traditional things that will never go out of style

00:53:20.080 you're still thinking about like values right you're writing about values and

00:53:24.700 existential thoughts. I don't think those are going to go out of style.

00:53:27.220 I hope they don't.

00:53:29.240 And I think we need to fight

00:53:30.680 for them because I think they stand the test

00:53:32.700 of time of any weather. And then when I hear these

00:53:34.580 AI sort of atheists say that

00:53:36.800 oh, AI doesn't need to be what's

00:53:38.800 best for humanity. It's just the next

00:53:40.720 link in evolution and we'll create machines

00:53:42.680 and a digital god that'll make us extinct

00:53:44.980 and that'll be great. I'm like, I'm not

00:53:46.880 ready to go there yet either. No, sir. No, please.

00:53:49.040 Well, I mean, it's got to be scary as an actor.

00:53:51.340 You know, Justine Bateman has come on the show

00:53:53.060 talking about how

00:53:54.460 dangerous it is to the whole acting industry that these roles, I mean, and even your voice

00:54:02.040 could be repeated exactly by AI. You know, I could be like, and Matthew McConaughey is the

00:54:07.900 new voice of the Megyn Kelly show. Here's Megyn. And you'd have nothing to do with it. And it would

00:54:12.000 be lawful. Yep. You know, I've been one of the early ones to trademark and patent my voice and

00:54:20.220 likeness um on a federal level and we'll see where that holds up if and when it needs to but

00:54:27.100 it is it is it is something that uh is scary because we're not that far from someone being in

00:54:35.440 india tonight and saying well i want megan kelly and matthew mcconaughey here and i want megan from

00:54:41.520 2014 and i want matthew from days confused and i wanted to be here at the party and we're gonna

00:54:46.900 hologram i'm in right here and they're we're hosting it we're not that far away from that

00:54:51.140 um there's some wonderful things that you can do with it with speaking i'm doing it with the

00:54:56.240 with the newsletter speaking uh trading it in different languages where i my voice is sharing

00:55:01.540 it's my voice reading in spanish and portuguese and french and german you know um that's very

00:55:06.900 cool there's wonderful things to be done with it but uh it is we'll see yeah we're gonna we're

00:55:12.460 gonna see if if we can i don't think you and i will see directly i think we might have we'll

00:55:16.520 probably transition over to the other world with our dads you think we're on the other side of it

00:55:20.700 i do i think so i think our kids problems so like we have to worry about it a little but i think

00:55:24.760 they're smart enough to handle it all right questions what do you think yeah you go what

00:55:28.560 do you what do you think if if you your children forgetting what they're they're in in what they

00:55:35.720 like right now but if they were going to college what degree do you think in a university do you

00:55:42.400 think will prepare them for what's going to be most necessary in the job market later?

00:55:47.040 No, nothing. There isn't one. There's nothing. I mean, really, frankly, they don't need to go

00:55:51.240 to college. I want them to go to college to have fun. It's an additional four years where you can

00:55:54.680 mature a little and have a good time and home your social skills, which is important. But in my view,

00:55:59.980 it's not about learning or preparing for life unless you're going to med school where you

00:56:03.520 actually do have to learn a few things. I just don't think that's what it's for. So I just say

00:56:08.180 get a classic you know liberal arts education like all the sciences that are explored like that

00:56:13.980 i feel like those are serious danger thanks to ai um like math and science are being quickly

00:56:20.420 taken over by the computers so yeah yeah so i i almost feel like the dreamers are becoming more

00:56:26.620 and more important so don't do anything to kill your spirit don't don't overwhelm yourself with

00:56:31.640 like too much dogma from anybody in particular and keep your hope alive that's what you're going to

00:56:37.780 need on the back end of those four years but i think you can learn whatever you want to learn

00:56:41.040 in college on the internet you can learn it from this conversation from podcasts whatever

00:56:44.980 so i don't know i just don't think it's about that i think it's about like maintaining your

00:56:48.900 integrity learn how to be a good person don't be just an sat score learn the skills that'll make

00:56:55.220 you an actual leader who can make good decisions in tough situations no matter what they are as

00:56:58.940 opposed to like this formula or that that's that's how i look at it you might be right i like i like

00:57:05.220 your point of view on it. And also who the hell knows where it's going to go. So why waste too

00:57:10.620 much time thinking about it? All right, now listen, I got to read this one. This is you on page 44 of

00:57:15.500 Poems and Prayers, the latest book by Matthew McConaughey, which everybody should read. It's

00:57:20.300 actually make a great present in particular. I think this would be a very nice gift for somebody

00:57:24.600 around Christmas time. You can buy it now. You can buy a couple copies. Here it is. Covet nothing

00:57:30.700 but your superior self. Seek transformation over transaction, individuality over conformity.

00:57:39.960 Recognize your inadequacies, then make one step at a time in the right direction and endure.

00:57:46.260 It will be harder than you think because your long road has no arrival until you die.

00:57:54.160 I love this so much. Covet nothing but your superior self is exactly, I mean, you could 0.66

00:57:58.840 read nothing other than that line on page 44, and you would be a better person if you could just

00:58:03.880 remind yourself of that every morning. I always say this, this is actually from Dr. Phil,

00:58:10.680 but it's a great saying, the only difference between you and someone you envy is you settled

00:58:14.980 for less. So when you covet, when you feel envy, when you look at somebody's life and you say,

00:58:20.300 oh, I want it, or I begrudge them for having it, it's exactly the wrong focus. It's a tell to you

00:58:25.520 to focus back on what is it about me I'm unhappy with and how can I change it?

00:58:31.160 That's exactly what you're saying there.

00:58:33.660 Do you, like, I don't, how do you teach that?

00:58:38.860 Can you teach that?

00:58:41.560 Well, so, so much of our consumerism and all those social feeds that our kids are inundated with are all about comparison.

00:58:55.520 and not living up to and coveting something that someone else has because they're telling you it's

00:59:01.140 the right way or more popular or what um i don't know i think to teach that there's it's all mark 0.88

00:59:10.180 everyone's marketing all this stuff marketing's bullshit just can you read through and ask

00:59:15.300 yourself what do i really want what do i who am i not to have a foundation again i don't know if 0.97

00:59:24.040 you can teach anyone out of it now but can you have someone deal have you can you help children

00:59:30.700 deal with the foundation of who they are so they're not getting schooled so they can use that

00:59:36.560 tool and these tools to do the schooling play that's why you take the family with you right

00:59:41.640 play play your game in that business don't don't don't don't don't let that that game

00:59:47.240 become your business because then you're just going to get dizzy and it changes so quickly

00:59:51.900 And you look back and all your friends you thought you had and everything you thought you could rely on is poof.

00:59:55.680 It was it was fairy dust. So if you can sit there and go, OK, because I don't want to say don't ever go on social media or don't go on AI.

01:00:02.860 No, go. You need to check this out. We've got to educate ourselves here.

01:00:06.040 But let's read through the BS here and see that the algorithm selling something to make some of this.

01:00:11.040 OK, at your be at your expense. Know that it's a game.

01:00:15.240 Just know that to tell my to try to we try to tell our children that.

01:00:18.760 And so just to be aware that no, that's not real. That's commerce. There's an algorithm selling that and putting in front of you what it thinks you want because of your traffic and your history of where you've already been. Just to understand that that's happening. That's part of the game. You want to play it? Just be aware that that's the rules.

01:00:35.740 Mm hmm. So you have a good handle on these problems and societal ills. I can hear it. And the you of July of 2024 considered doing something about it in the form of possibly running for Texas governor. Didn't happen.

01:00:51.560 your team did not want me to get into politics but i just wanted to finish with

01:00:55.520 who exactly did you vote for in the 2024 presidential election and why no just kidding

01:00:59.660 but is politics potentially still part of your future your story i don't know could be it's

01:01:11.520 something look i've i've the last six years been studying different categories of where i could be

01:01:16.420 most useful? What leadership roles am I equipped for? Look, it's inherently not my language. I'm

01:01:25.580 more of a poet philosopher and I'm dealing with values here, which I believe, and belief, which

01:01:31.540 I believe are true progress above the political sphere of left and right battling. That's the

01:01:38.460 space that I'm in now. I am aware that the issues matter, that politics and legislation all matters.

01:01:46.420 So I have not canceled it out, but I've given it and still will continue to give it some real consideration to measure myself.

01:01:55.660 That's the right place where I can be the most useful.

01:01:58.820 But I'm not going to bend my back to force myself in it.

01:02:03.740 I will get in deep enough where if I'm in it, I'll look up and I won't be able to help it.

01:02:08.720 It'll be it'll just I'll just be there. I will be pulled in.

01:02:11.260 um but um you know it's a very conscientious headspace to ask yourself and i think it's

01:02:17.420 something important if we all to ask what if i was the leader of a state of a nation of a world 0.62

01:02:23.240 it's a great question to ask because you you call yourself on some of your bullshit go what decision 0.86

01:02:27.540 would i make what are my own beliefs and where do they transfer to what i would believe for 0.98

01:02:32.460 the masses now we all know in politics they're not all doing what they believe

01:02:37.880 but they're doing and I would not want to go uh be in anything where I would need to betray myself

01:02:46.360 and there's a lot of betrayal that comes with inherently in politics and um I I I I work hard

01:02:53.100 enough to try and get a good night's sleep trying to win the fair games um and fair fights which are

01:02:58.620 already hard to win and so for right now I got my three kids want to get them out of the house as

01:03:03.260 healthy as possible and hopefully as much individuals as they are possible. And then

01:03:07.600 when that opens up after me being an on-site father that I am and try to be, I will be open

01:03:15.240 to considering what my next avenues are. I love it. I've said about President Trump, you know,

01:03:20.700 he's under a lot of pressure when it comes to his foreign policy decisions in particular from

01:03:26.300 different factions. And I've said repeatedly on the air, on something like that, whether you're

01:03:31.300 going to add to a war and the weaponry of it, whether you're going to start a war, whether

01:03:35.580 you're going to push to, you know, end one, start one, he has to come to his own decision

01:03:39.940 like that, that is playing with people's lives.

01:03:43.240 And he knows that whoever the president is, they deserve a wide berth in coming to their

01:03:48.780 own decision about what to do, because it's easy for you or me or anybody else sitting

01:03:54.060 in their armchair to say, this is how it should be.

01:03:56.380 We're not actually going to be responsible for ending lives like the president.

01:03:59.660 And those calls, correct me if I'm wrong, those are the president's soul calls, 4 a.m. by yourself in solitude calls, are they not?

01:04:11.220 Yeah.

01:04:12.020 That's scary.

01:04:13.120 Like, that's the highest order.

01:04:14.880 You better have your spiritual ducks in a row.

01:04:17.620 And what may help you is this book, Poems and Prayers, by Matthew McConaughey, which will rejigger your headspace around your life, what matters in it, and what your daily approach to it should be, as you say, playing this long game, starring in your own movie that starred for a couple of us about 55 years ago.

01:04:40.760 Not quite.

01:04:41.300 I'm not quite there.

01:04:42.280 Almost.

01:04:42.840 I'm right behind you.

01:04:44.100 It's been a pleasure.

01:04:44.860 I wish you all the best with this, with The Lost Bus, the movie with your son, and with all of it.

01:04:51.040 Thank you, Megyn Kelly. I sure enjoyed it.

01:04:56.660 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:04:59.720 Just back now from Washington, D.C., literally just an hour ago, got back,

01:05:03.780 where I interviewed Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard late yesterday.

01:05:08.720 You can find that interview on YouTube.com slash Megyn Kelly and our podcast feeds right now.

01:05:13.540 they posted this morning. And there's a lot to unpack from that interview. She made a ton of

01:05:18.400 news. Plus, there are reports today, broken initially by our pal and now part of the MK

01:05:24.480 Podcast Media Network, Mark Halperin, that National Security Advisor Mike Walls is out,

01:05:30.840 that he's being forced out of the Trump administration. We will break it down for you.

01:05:35.140 But today, I am here live in New York City at the Sirius XM HQ, the Worldwide HQ,

01:05:41.460 where we have an incredible show for you with Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy.

01:05:47.240 Cannot wait to spend two hours with Dave.

01:05:49.500 We've got to talk about Bill Belichick and his 24-year-old hostage taker.

01:05:53.200 I mean, girlfriend.

01:05:54.120 But most important of all, and even Dave hasn't seen this yet,

01:05:58.520 we have the latest trailer for our own worldwide premiere tomorrow

01:06:03.520 of our new film, Blonde, not to be confused with blue, Origin.

01:06:08.560 Blonde Origin.

01:06:09.640 It debuts tomorrow right here on The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:06:13.200 Here's our latest trailer.

01:06:16.600 When zero gravity resulted in zero clue,

01:06:23.100 Have you been? Have you been?

01:06:27.500 Three women were brave enough to answer the call.

01:06:32.280 Tomorrow, special coverage of the launch of Blonde Origin. 1.00

01:06:39.640 Tomorrow, on the Megyn Kelly Show, how far will we go for a troll? 0.78

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01:06:51.440 Don't call it a ride.

01:06:53.420 We're going to get to all this now with Dave Portnoy.

01:06:56.180 Very far is the answer.

01:06:57.740 Yeah, very far, clearly.

01:06:59.060 Very far.

01:06:59.520 To the moon and back, some might say.

01:07:02.160 Where was that?

01:07:02.980 Like, obviously, a zero-gravity chamber of some sort?

01:07:05.280 You'll have to tune in tomorrow.

01:07:06.180 I can't talk to you unless you've been.

01:07:07.960 Have you been?

01:07:08.700 To where?

01:07:09.360 the moon just to the special places i've been no i haven't been there i haven't been any of those

01:07:13.420 then we can't discuss it i'm gonna have to go back to gail fine she's the only one who understands

01:07:17.220 me okay fair okay there's so much happening right now let's talk with about mike waltz because

01:07:22.440 while the average audience member might not think dave portnoy is the perfect person to discuss

01:07:27.400 this news with they are wrong because you actually called for his ouster i said somebody had to go

01:07:34.080 yes yeah after the signal gate yeah controversy broke well signal gate was crazy to me still

01:07:39.480 crazy to me then there was follow-up that there was more to single gate with hesketh right hex

01:07:44.540 hexeth hexeth right with like telling his uh wife and somebody was someone else his personal lawyer

01:07:52.620 and reportedly many others yeah so i mean to me that's nuts the single stuff is nuts i don't know

01:07:57.380 if that's why he's getting pushed out seems pretty late like in the game and like signal gate to me

01:08:02.180 sort of passed um but is that the point that didn't draw as much attention no i don't think

01:08:08.260 that's how true oh i never know how trump thinks because here's the thing he doesn't like giving

01:08:12.940 the media a scalp right like a credit for anything yeah but it also depends on how you look at his

01:08:18.080 mind frame which i don't know anybody else will it also if he did it almost instantly it could be

01:08:23.540 viewed as aha we have we have accountability here and there was a mistake made and i rectified it

01:08:29.880 instantly so do you think i don't know do you think it that doesn't sound like trump do you

01:08:33.720 think it's directly then single gay i don't know i i i think it's probably and this is complete

01:08:39.100 speculation i do not have any inside information on this but i think it's probably he's too neo

01:08:44.380 connie and the the strong strain within maga right now is the more they call them the restrainers

01:08:50.300 yeah the ones who are not hawks they don't want us rushing into war with iran we had a long talk

01:08:56.660 with Tucker Carlson about this the other day, not involving Mike Walsh, but Mike Walsh has got a

01:09:00.940 long history in the Congress, which made him some people's darling and some people's foil

01:09:05.540 on this front. He was always more neocony. And he's got a very important post. And there was 0.54

01:09:10.220 a report in the New York Times about a month ago saying Tulsi, J.D., Pete Hegseth, and Susie Wiles,

01:09:15.720 chief of staff for Trump, stopped him from getting on board that train as it was pummeling toward

01:09:21.600 war with Iran on behalf of or in connection with Israel.

01:09:25.920 So who was on the other side?

01:09:27.520 Who were the administration officials saying,

01:09:29.960 let's do this, what Netanyahu wants,

01:09:31.620 like back them in bombing Iran or give them the bombs 0.77

01:09:34.340 or we'll do the bombs? 0.79

01:09:35.940 The realistic truth was we were going to have to participate

01:09:39.300 very meaningfully in that bombing campaign. 0.94

01:09:41.560 We would have been at war with Iran.

01:09:43.120 So it would have been an enormous thing to do.

01:09:46.580 And I do wonder whether that played some role.

01:09:49.220 Yeah, so like 99% of that, to be frank,

01:09:51.220 went right over my head like i may have like been glazed over the thing i know about signal

01:09:56.700 yeah like i didn't even know like i knew he was but the signal gate's the one that caught my

01:10:01.320 attention um again i think it's a delayed response so i i your scenario of what you just laid out

01:10:07.340 could make more sense i'm probably the wrong guy to be like yeah all right that's it it's possible

01:10:11.740 the signal gate to me was just you can't you can't have people do using signal and basically

01:10:16.920 sending you know war plans to reporters or their wife or any of that so to me that was a fireable

01:10:21.700 offense so the signal gate it may have played a role we don't know i mean here's what mark

01:10:28.040 halperin said when did this happen by the way just now it's happening right now like as i came in

01:10:32.400 yeah you didn't miss it um so mark halperin is part of our new mk media network which i'd love

01:10:37.700 to ask you about because you run a very successful media network um and he had his first show on

01:10:43.160 tuesday and his second show is today he also does a show on youtube called two-way and he broke this

01:10:48.840 news earlier today here's some of it with some more context i believe sought seven three different

01:10:54.220 people have confirmed that the plan now by the white house is to remove the national security

01:10:59.420 advisor mike waltz who was on fox news this morning just not that long ago and his deputy

01:11:03.660 alex wong and and much of the member current staff team at the national security council

01:11:07.680 because of unhappiness throughout the national security establishment of how they're doing.

01:11:13.780 This was around before SignalGate.

01:11:16.020 It was widely reported that SignalGate ironically may have saved Waltz's job,

01:11:19.520 as I understand it from my sources,

01:11:21.280 a general belief that it's not being run efficiently in an organized way.

01:11:25.220 It may happen as early as today.

01:11:27.140 It may not happen ever because it's Donald Trump.

01:11:29.060 But the plan is for it to happen soon, maybe this weekend.

01:11:35.040 So it's very interesting.

01:11:36.060 he's saying they wanted to dump him before signal gate but trump didn't dump him after that because

01:11:41.340 he didn't want to look like he was being reactive to the nasty well he'd be reactive i feel like if

01:11:45.400 he's not enough who knows i mean i could see this still not happening i feel like i see reports of

01:11:49.420 things happening that never does and then they'll jump on and be like shame on you media for

01:11:53.680 reporting this yes so who knows i looked i just looked at x it's the number one thing um yeah

01:11:59.180 shocking i guess but i'll believe it when i see tim waltz number one thing on tim well we're

01:12:03.940 Mike Walsh has left the chat.

01:12:06.420 Is he your man speaker?

01:12:08.960 Who?

01:12:09.300 Tim Walsh?

01:12:09.880 No, he is not.

01:12:10.940 What do you mean?

01:12:11.540 What do you mean my man speaker?

01:12:12.600 You know how he came out yesterday and said he was the man that Kamala selected to speak to guys like you, white men of America.

01:12:19.420 Well, that's crazy.

01:12:20.120 I didn't see that.

01:12:20.880 But no, he failed miserably in that realm.

01:12:25.180 You didn't connect with him in that way?

01:12:26.280 Nobody connected with him.

01:12:27.480 Nobody did.

01:12:28.300 Here's what he said.

01:12:29.100 Let's watch it.

01:12:30.440 We'll go from Mike Walsh.

01:12:31.000 I can't believe he's still talking.

01:12:32.300 To Tim Walsh.

01:12:33.040 here let's watch i was on the ticket um i would argue because we did a lot of amazing progressive

01:12:38.940 things in minnesota to improve people's lives but i also was on the ticket quite honestly you know

01:12:43.860 because i i could code talk to white guys watching football fixing their truck doing that that i could

01:12:50.480 put them at ease i was the permission structure to say look you can do this and vote for this and

01:12:55.460 and you look across those swing states with the exception of minnesota um we didn't get enough

01:13:01.340 of those votes but you'll be giving them permission on tv every day you could have been messaging that

01:13:05.540 way and that isn't necessarily how it shook out well yes but i also said i understand myself i

01:13:10.560 said i think i'll give you pretty good stuff but i'll also give you 10 problematic and so somebody's

01:13:16.380 got to make the decision here to handle some of this stuff and to make it and those are just

01:13:20.480 decisions that were made boy that's delusional i mean that's wildly delusional i even thought that

01:13:27.800 I mean, I knew he had the football thing, but he doesn't speak to a normal guy.

01:13:31.420 He doesn't act like a normal guy.

01:13:33.060 His mannerisms weren't like everyday guy.

01:13:35.440 There was no part of him that connected to what a normal guy is talking about or interested in.

01:13:41.840 And by the way, normal guys can see through that pretty quickly.

01:13:44.720 When you're trying to play the normal guy, you're not.

01:13:46.700 I mean, I remember hearing that he was like a football coach, but even that was a strange coach, the story behind it.

01:13:54.200 So it didn't really work out.

01:13:55.800 And that anybody, by the way, with a brain could have screened him for five seconds, been like, this is the guy that – I don't know who they have in the party, by the way, that would have done that.

01:14:05.580 But you could have screened him, and anybody could have said that right away.

01:14:09.680 But that is one of the problems with the Democrats.

01:14:11.780 They're going to like the Pete Buttigieg's of the world to say, is this a man that regular American men can relate to?

01:14:18.100 And he's like, yes, that's our guy.

01:14:19.680 I'm trying to think who on the Democratic side, I would be like, yeah, that's the guy that resonates.

01:14:26.380 I mean, you could run it by a man like James Carville.

01:14:30.960 He's got the ability to say that's not going to resonate with middle America.

01:14:35.160 The old Massachusetts governor, Baker.

01:14:36.800 He was a pretty normal guy.

01:14:38.640 I don't know why he went to the NCAA, but I would say he was a normal speak-to guy.

01:14:43.400 So you don't think the jazz hands is like –

01:14:45.460 Jazz hands is not the thing.

01:14:46.700 I mean, he had a lot of things going.

01:14:48.060 he was one of the worst candidates the whole ticket was bad yeah um that's why they lost

01:14:52.320 but yeah that that is and that's not even a political thing that's just if you if you asked

01:14:57.320 if you just pulled a group of guys out of a bar and were like is this are you going to be friends

01:15:02.900 with that guy most would probably be like no we're not so and that is again has nothing to do with

01:15:07.440 politics it's just the vibe he gave off yeah well on top of all that what does it say about the

01:15:12.560 democratic party that they thought the guy who would speak to white guys in america is the guy

01:15:19.060 who mandated tampons in boys rooms throughout minnesota they're off the democratic party is

01:15:25.460 is lost so um i don't know it's interesting because i never i didn't even know that they

01:15:32.260 were trying to speak to people like i guess me or our crowd um if you want to say that's like

01:15:38.940 who trump spoke with uh i didn't even know they were attempting to do that during the election

01:15:43.320 that didn't seem like something they were interested in so i didn't know he that was

01:15:46.800 why he was brought on to do that well don't remember he put on the camo hat and he did

01:15:51.220 some video where he was gaming and apparently he stunk at it but he went out with a gun and was

01:15:55.980 going to go hunting and it was very obvious to all second amendment people he was not familiar

01:16:00.240 with a gun he couldn't load it yeah i remember the one when i thought it was coming to ask her

01:16:05.400 what kind of gun she had and she didn't answer it correctly but that's very politics 101 that's

01:16:11.100 i mean all the way back the mayor of boston was called like sammy susa and all the wrong names

01:16:16.080 even i know that one yeah they pretend to play a character that they're not which i don't know

01:16:20.940 where who gives them that intel i think people would much more respect if you don't pretend to

01:16:25.500 be something you are not all right but but that's politics so let's say they come to dave portnoy

01:16:29.620 next time around and they're like how do we reach regular guys and convince them to vote dem

01:16:37.560 i mean you you can't demonize them i would say like they're and it's they've been doing it for

01:16:46.660 a long time but if you're saying men and when people are asking me that i think they generally

01:16:53.020 are talking like white, middle class,

01:16:56.720 people working in financial districts.

01:17:00.160 There's a shame that comes across

01:17:02.900 of saying you weren't a frat.

01:17:04.120 And by the way, not all frats are good.

01:17:05.560 But wanting to make money,

01:17:06.760 wanting to have a good job,

01:17:07.940 wanting to spend money, be rich,

01:17:09.440 all that stuff is not necessarily bad.

01:17:11.900 I think that has been a message

01:17:13.600 that comes across like,

01:17:14.860 yeah, we should be kind of ashamed 0.97

01:17:16.220 of being a white guy. 0.97

01:17:18.080 That doesn't,

01:17:19.740 I don't think what they fail to understand,

01:17:21.720 that doesn't discount that a white guy like me or any can care about a lot of the issues that

01:17:26.640 democrats care about but i'm also not really going to apologize for being like a white guy in this

01:17:33.940 country who wants to have a good job make money go to college do all those things and that is a

01:17:38.420 message that seemingly like you can't be both um they've never like i mean biden all the way through

01:17:45.480 it felt like a lot of the issues that get blamed and problems america is always like our fault yeah

01:17:51.360 And we don't want. Remember, even when the black vote wasn't going as strongly for Kamala as the Dems wanted and Barack Obama showed up at that polling, that campaign office and was like, you're a bunch of sexists. 0.94

01:18:04.520 Yeah, right. Well, and they've said it, the deplorables and like, you know, if you vote for Trump, there's you're a Nazi and things like that. 0.97

01:18:12.980 I don't know if that's exact, but things.

01:18:14.900 No, that's literally what's been said on CNN by people like Don Lemon.

01:18:17.560 And then it's like, well, you know, you're talking about more than half the countries.

01:18:22.200 It's clearly then you should move if you truly believe that.

01:18:25.960 And that's the messaging that we've gotten from them.

01:18:29.900 And somebody like me who – I'm always in a weird box because I don't consider myself political, but I'm talking about more and more.

01:18:36.800 Like I could easily take out the candidates.

01:18:39.420 I grew up in a Democratic household.

01:18:41.240 My father, I've said a million times, hates Trump.

01:18:44.040 I am somebody who you would think would vote Democrat.

01:18:47.560 But as I got older, especially like running business and doing stuff, they just kept pushing

01:18:52.060 me, pushing me, pushing me to the point this election, it wasn't like I wasn't wavering

01:18:57.440 who I was going to vote for.

01:18:58.500 I was voting for Trump.

01:18:59.940 And even I would still re-vote for Trump.

01:19:02.740 No questions asked.

01:19:03.680 That's how much I hated the other ticket.

01:19:06.160 You may not want to see this, but Kamala Harris is also back in the news.

01:19:10.400 And you tell me whether we dodged a bullet with this woman where she took to the stage 0.99

01:19:15.100 last night at this group that's pushing to get more females involved in democrat politics running

01:19:19.320 for office and here's how she sounded i heard about this watch in fact please allow me friends

01:19:26.340 to digress for a moment okay it's kind of dark in here but i'm asking a show of hands who saw

01:19:32.680 that video from a couple of weeks ago the one of the elephants at the san diego zoo during the

01:19:38.400 earthquake? Google it if you've not seen it. So that scene has been on my mind. Everybody's

01:19:49.340 asking me what you've been thinking about these days. So in the video, for those who

01:19:57.220 haven't seen it, here those elephants were. And as soon as they felt the earth shaking

01:20:04.260 beneath their feet. They got in a circle and stood next to each other to protect the most

01:20:13.740 vulnerable. Think about it. What a powerful metaphor. The lesson is don't, don't scatter.

01:20:25.160 the instinct has to be to immediately find and connect with each other and to know that the

01:20:37.780 circle will be strong oh my god well yeah that was a lot more of our campaign speak in which

01:20:45.040 he said a whole lot of a lot of something but really not saying anything and also the moral

01:20:50.980 superiority which even in that comes through is another like the way they lecture and they're

01:20:56.020 i don't like politicians in general like i think probably if you had a hundred politicians a room

01:21:01.860 maybe like two are like truly in it for the right reasons um but the moral superiority when when like

01:21:08.020 what they did in the election which the way they all lied about biden and his mental health for

01:21:12.940 for years and then they waited so there's no like she would never win and well she'd never won

01:21:19.560 election but she would never win a fair primary with the dem that to me was their biggest mistake

01:21:24.180 because who knows who could have come out of that um but it's lecturing people like they're

01:21:29.180 they're angels like they're perfect they know they know better than anybody like what's best for you 0.95

01:21:34.660 and and that we're stupid because we see what the democratic party does and that's it's just 0.93

01:21:40.920 such a turnoff and say whatever you want about trump and people may say other i i feel like he's 0.96

01:21:47.700 him and like even with these tariffs and stuff like he campaigned on tariffs yeah he was so then

01:21:53.040 to be like what are you doing these tariffs and i'm like that because i'm in the stock markets

01:21:57.100 like i want my stocks to go up but it's like he said he was gonna do it at least so they're just

01:22:02.600 if you did authentic and took the democrats and the republicans to me it's not even close and 0.98

01:22:08.260 that's part of how i end up voting republican she's so annoying in her mannerisms with her

01:22:13.500 little hands in tight and the she starts giggling at her own thought what she's saying is not even 0.97

01:22:18.740 purportedly funny there's nothing at all funny there's no joke coming she's just giggling at

01:22:24.320 her own little aside she's not a great public speaker no the only time it gets funny is when

01:22:28.520 she lands her point and you realize there's nothing there yeah and she's built it up like

01:22:32.860 this huge profundity only to let us down once again you know what she's doing what she is she 0.92

01:22:37.340 running for what the governor of california we don't know she's weighing either that or another 1.00

01:22:41.800 presidential. That's crazy. They'd never do that. I don't know. I'd never say never. I've been a 1.00

01:22:45.700 very good person this year. It's possible. Lord, the Lord will give this to me. Maybe, maybe. Well,

01:22:50.380 there's AOC. Aren't they saying her? Yes. I just think that like the party still loves her. They

01:22:57.320 have no chance to win if she wins. I completely agree. No chance. But there are some people out

01:23:01.220 there. Oh my gosh. I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it, but there are people out there

01:23:04.200 talking about her right now, like behind the scenes, an off record. They don't want to put

01:23:08.620 their name to it about how you know she's really formidable like the party really needs to hear 0.76

01:23:13.760 they're they have a hankering to hear from her hold on a second i have a word they use hankering

01:23:18.320 no they say here it is clamoring there is a clamoring for her voice right now said a former

01:23:23.940 harris senior advisor meanwhile i'm like is he named pug klemhoff like don't this is clearly

01:23:31.000 like her husband or somebody very close to her and they say um because they were granted anonymity

01:23:35.560 to speak candidly meaning really falsely quote no one can better prosecute the case while inspiring

01:23:41.560 a call to action than the former vice president i mean we already we already went down that road

01:23:47.980 are they just saying she didn't have enough time or something and you can't get over the fact

01:23:51.520 she knew that biden wasn't fit to be president just lied about it i mean you can't get i don't

01:23:57.740 know it would be crazy but they're already nuts to me on who they put forward so already in crazy

01:24:04.020 Yeah. To do it again would be insane. I mean, that's the exact opposite of what we were just discussing. Like, how do they get, you know, the typical male vote? I mean, that's the opposite. That's not going to do it.

01:24:17.020 So I mentioned at the top that I sat down with Tulsi Gabbard last night and we had a bunch of discussions that were really interesting, I thought.

01:24:26.500 It's quite the move going from her to me. 0.99

01:24:28.820 And then blonde origin. 1.00

01:24:30.300 I mean, it's been that kind of a week, Dave. 0.98

01:24:32.600 But here's one thing I want to pick up on that we started the show off with, like this push to get us into another war with Iran by these forces behind the scenes.

01:24:40.120 And I'm not blaming that on Mike Walls.

01:24:41.360 That was just speculation on my point that maybe some perceive him as on that side.

01:24:45.200 But she did speak to, because she's anti all that.

01:24:48.180 That's one of the reasons Trump chose her.

01:24:50.340 And I was asking her, like, do you feel it?

01:24:52.780 Do you feel like people pushing you towards, you know, all things military, all things war?

01:24:58.820 And here's what she said in SOT2.

01:25:00.480 There was a New York Times article within the past month saying you, he, J.D. Vance, and his chief of staff, Susie Wiles,

01:25:08.560 were all together in urging him to not go too far on our actions against Iran.

01:25:17.380 And President Trump did not do it.

01:25:19.660 He did not give NetNahu the answer he wanted.

01:25:22.980 I know you're not going to get into the specifics of what you advised the president,

01:25:25.600 but can you explain your view of the dangers of barreling toward a potential conflict with Iran?

01:25:36.600 Yeah, the New York Times article was a result of an unfortunate, unauthorized, and illegal leak

01:25:47.200 of a very private conversation between the president and his advisors.

01:25:52.240 I won't get into the details, but it was a very robust discussion that really speaks to President Trump's care and thoughtfulness as he makes his decisions.

01:26:05.020 Do you feel the push, Tulsi, the push of this strong neocon strain that's still within the Republican Party and probably in these agencies that's much more hawkish on an issue, including war in the Middle East, which we've just done for 20 years?

01:26:23.340 Yeah, of course. The pressure's there.

01:26:24.960 The leaks have to end. If the president can't have the confidence that he can sit in a room with his closest advisers without it leaking to the public, then that that is something that really undermines his being best served.

01:26:41.940 so she's talking about dave how they sat there she's basically confirming in a private meeting

01:26:49.120 with just the president with those officials i named with the vice president with the director

01:26:53.740 of national intelligence um with the secretary of defense and his chief of staff and what she's

01:26:59.720 saying without being explicit about it is then she believes none of them leaked but then they

01:27:05.260 have to talk to their staffs about what happened and what needs to happen and at that top top level

01:27:10.700 someone's leaking to the new york times and in saying how are they supposed to function like

01:27:16.520 this you gotta start planting fake stories yeah right you gotta do that and weed it out i mean

01:27:22.240 that would drive me insane any that would drive anybody regardless of whether it's the president

01:27:25.980 united states obviously different table stakes but any ceo any leader you can't have that yeah

01:27:31.340 i like that idea yeah you gotta do that they do that in some like what what movie did they do

01:27:35.360 that in where they plant like a face a fake piece of gossip and see who bites you narrow it down

01:27:39.600 right you would narrow it down something juicy that they go with just do it one with each of

01:27:44.740 those departments if that's where they think it came from yeah i hope they're watching i'm gonna

01:27:48.240 make sure they see this gotta do it it's a very good idea yeah because it's happening to tulsi

01:27:51.920 it's happening to trump it's obviously happening to hegseth where like bit by bit they're undermining

01:27:57.340 the whole administration with these leaks and like or maybe he's just sending it on his signal chat 1.00

01:28:02.940 yeah right right that also opens it she said back and be like well you guys are idiots and 0.99

01:28:08.620 you're you're texting reporters by accident she also told me that the biden administration used 0.99

01:28:13.120 signal and she said without naming them she said some of the very exact officials who are dumping

01:28:17.840 on us for being on a signal chat she was one of the ones use signal and she has proof of it well

01:28:22.520 that's the most unsurprising like comment ever i mean they could have sent it to that same reporter

01:28:28.840 in the atlantic and he wouldn't have said anything that's right but you very much don't want to send

01:28:34.240 it to somebody you know openly hates your guts yeah so yeah then you're gonna have to live with 0.97

01:28:37.960 You're telling me they're being hypocrites? 0.98

01:28:40.400 That's not surprising to me at all. 0.79

01:28:42.120 Not surprising at all.

01:28:43.000 Here she is a little bit more on these leaks coming out of the administration.

01:28:46.640 Me too.

01:28:47.680 Here's thought three.

01:28:48.540 You've referred three people now to DOJ for criminal prosecution.

01:28:52.960 Do you think they will be prosecuted?

01:28:55.060 That's the goal.

01:28:56.440 That's the goal.

01:28:57.060 The only way we bring about accountability is by doing the work of conducting these investigations.

01:29:04.420 The Department of Justice and the FBI obviously have different tools that they can use in order to find the truth and to seek out that evidence so that we can actually prosecute these crimes.

01:29:17.380 Do the people know they've been referred? Like, do they still work here?

01:29:20.040 In some cases, they know. In other cases, they are likely not aware.

01:29:27.060 I mean, that's kind of badass, frankly, because what she's doing is she's not telling everybody that she, like, I know it was you, Fredo.

01:29:33.540 She's letting Fredo just continue.

01:29:35.360 Yeah, try to scare him.

01:29:36.180 And then the next call they get is going to be from somebody saying the DOJ is here, or the FBI is here to arrest you.

01:29:42.960 They did it differently over at the Department of Defense where Pete or his team, his investigators, investigated these leaks and then fired three guys who immediately went to the media, including yours truly, to say we're not the leakers.

01:29:57.760 None has been arrested.

01:29:59.280 We don't know whether they will be arrested.

01:30:00.800 They all deny they did it.

01:30:02.460 I have to say, as between the two, this is probably the better course because it's like they're not twisting in the wind as leakers who can speak out about it.

01:30:10.780 They're in cuffs by the time we learn their names.

01:30:13.160 Yeah.

01:30:13.540 I mean, it can't be – obviously, it's a major crime at that level to be leaking information.

01:30:18.640 It's also the last thing they should be worrying.

01:30:21.120 Like they're running the government.

01:30:22.380 That's the thing.

01:30:22.720 I mean, to be worrying about internal leaks seems like there should be a better use of time, but you can't ignore it.

01:30:28.640 That's the thing.

01:30:29.520 It's so undermining.

01:30:30.600 All right, one other point on Tulsi.

01:30:32.980 Where were you on like the COVID lockdowns and the overreach by Fauci and all that stuff?

01:30:37.700 So I was very much on the side of you got to let the small businesses decide whether they want to stay open or not.

01:30:47.640 Like we're all kind of adults here.

01:30:49.880 And if you want to be open there, so I hated the lockdowns.

01:30:53.180 We started a gigantic like fund for companies that were shut down.

01:30:58.200 We raised like $50 million.

01:30:59.100 That's right.

01:30:59.880 we covered that actually yeah so we were very much trying to help small businesses who were

01:31:05.960 basically going out of business through no fault of their own what do you think of fauci

01:31:09.580 i mean you i i see all the stuff that says he's a criminal he should go to jail he hit it

01:31:17.280 i haven't delved enough i mean i my knee-jerk reaction on the guy when i see him is i actually

01:31:23.240 find him to be believable when he like he's speaking on camera but you see all this stuff so

01:31:28.580 i want to convict them without any hard evidence you may be like well i have hard evidence but i

01:31:32.760 think the whole lockdown thing was handled horribly well i asked her about it this is one of the first

01:31:37.160 things we covered and i think it was probably the biggest piece of news to come out of the interview

01:31:40.540 um well let's watch the exchange and then i'll fill in the blank service we already know that

01:31:44.900 eco health alliance was partnering with this wuhan lab to create to do gain of function research

01:31:50.120 we just have never been able to have somebody say it and it was that exact experiment that led to

01:31:56.020 this COVID bug. But have we gotten there? What's the new thing that you're digging in on?

01:32:01.380 We are working on that with Jay Bhattacharya. I mean, that would be extraordinary because just

01:32:06.500 so the audience knows, if that's true, if it was Peter Daszak's research with the Wuhan so-called 0.76

01:32:11.260 Bat Lady that caused this pandemic, then we did fund it. Then Anthony Fauci helped fund the

01:32:17.140 pandemic. The thing that he denied over and over and over to Senator Rand Paul's questioning.

01:32:22.920 That's right. Under oath.

01:32:24.720 Under oath. Exactly. So is it any wonder that he sought a preemptive pardon for anything during a certain period of time by President Biden before he left office?

01:32:37.060 That's the director of national intelligence clearly intimating that they're about to tie Anthony Fauci and this group EcoHealth Alliance that he funded to the actual COVID virus.

01:32:48.700 Yeah, which is insane. So then what is a giant cover up there?

01:32:52.000 All right.

01:32:52.540 Yes.

01:32:53.200 Yeah.

01:32:53.560 So that's, that's crazy.

01:32:55.180 That's a, that's huge.

01:32:57.280 That's a link.

01:32:57.860 We've never been able to close.

01:32:59.200 We've been able to close.

01:33:00.040 We funded EcoHealth Alliance.

01:33:01.340 They partnered with the Wuhan lab.

01:33:02.860 They did gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, but we've never been able to

01:33:07.480 make the leap to, and it resulted in this coronavirus.

01:33:11.840 And that's what she says.

01:33:12.960 She's intimating is about to come.

01:33:15.120 Yeah.

01:33:15.260 It's crazy.

01:33:15.940 If that's, if that's true, he lied under oath repeatedly.

01:33:19.620 Yeah.

01:33:20.600 And he needed that pardon.

01:33:22.000 i mean everybody got pardoned pretty much by biden right like for the most part but i mean

01:33:27.620 the fact that the guy running this huge piece of nih was perjuring himself allegedly we'll find out

01:33:36.920 to the point where it wasn't just a courtesy pardon to prevent harassment like he actually

01:33:42.660 may have committed felonies here it is huge like my yeah it's crazy again i was very anti-lockdowns

01:33:50.920 I didn't like Fauci.

01:33:51.940 I criticized Fauci.

01:33:55.000 Maybe my gut reaction whenever I see the guy is he doesn't scream arch criminal to me, but maybe I'll be wrong.

01:34:04.380 Like, does he give you those?

01:34:06.020 100%.

01:34:06.420 He does.

01:34:07.040 Yes.

01:34:07.440 So he's a supervillain to you.

01:34:08.920 Yes.

01:34:09.460 Like, he's the supervillain that you don't know is a supervillain until the end of the movie?

01:34:13.040 Yeah.

01:34:13.480 Well, I mean, in the middle of the movie, it became obvious.

01:34:15.340 But yes, I hate him with the passion of 10,000 sons. 0.54

01:34:19.720 I think he's completely dishonest.

01:34:23.100 You're not saying he intentionally launched COVID.

01:34:27.120 No, I don't think he wanted.

01:34:28.420 And no one's suggesting that.

01:34:29.680 The intel community, no one's saying that. 0.95

01:34:31.060 And then it happens, and then he's like, oh, crap, I've got to do this giant.

01:34:34.980 And he happens to be the guy who's publicly speaking about it.

01:34:39.560 So it's basically two different things.

01:34:42.280 He launched it, created it.

01:34:44.480 I shouldn't say launched.

01:34:45.300 Created it inadvertently.

01:34:46.400 but he's also the guy who's going to be in charge of controlling it and then you got this he's

01:34:52.340 basically running interference to keep himself from being the guy the entire time bingo yeah it's

01:34:57.320 it's it literally is a sci-fi movie and at the same time we know from his internal emails that

01:35:02.680 the house republicans got at the time well a couple years after the the covid mania that he

01:35:07.780 was actively working to smear doctors who were coming out saying this thing looks like it came

01:35:13.700 from a lab yeah we've never seen this particular virus before in nature this looks lab made and he

01:35:19.680 was all over the place like tamp that down get that out there that's fringe that's he made sure

01:35:24.680 that narrative couldn't live it would it's it's an insane full full and maybe i'm just naive and

01:35:31.480 thinking like you still trust the officials i i don't trust a lot of officials he just comes across

01:35:37.720 as like a grandpa to me you've got to spend some time with my husband doug because i am terrible

01:35:43.560 at judging character I'm always like see I feel like I'm pretty good and my husband's really good

01:35:48.520 and he's always on to people before I am but even I saw it with Fauci was he on to yeah he yes he

01:35:55.300 knew he was bad um I don't know I think some people just have a knack for this I I'm usually

01:35:59.520 like they're good what do you mean I mean Trump didn't know yeah no he was under Trump yeah for

01:36:04.680 the for the beginning for the actual like getting along like he's he's doing a great job yep I know

01:36:09.800 that was one of trump's failures i mean a lot of republicans blame him for a vaccine that wound up

01:36:13.820 hurting a lot of people too and trump stands by the vaccine but it's got some problems there's

01:36:18.340 no question yeah i didn't know that people blamed him for that i mean that the vaccine was a way to

01:36:23.520 theoretically open up the country they wouldn't open it up without that well that's what people

01:36:28.400 who don't live in places like new york don't get is like i lived in new york and this was going down

01:36:32.560 and it's like you couldn't go anywhere no nowhere i that's when i moved to miami like i during the

01:36:37.380 i was in new york moved to miami i basically stayed there you were like a hostage in your 0.96

01:36:41.800 own apartment if you didn't get the damn vaccine i regret it though i wish i had gotten one of the 0.98

01:36:45.920 fake cards that was such the obvious solution i'm like a two a goody two shoes i don't know 0.99

01:36:49.680 why i didn't do it i was fake card city shit yeah like duh well you just did it yourself or like well 0.59

01:36:55.300 i luckily i work at a media company i i still don't know that's how afraid i am what i'm like

01:36:59.740 i never had it but uh yeah i just said we have graphics team so we just got a copy of the actual

01:37:04.880 card and made fakes you know my doctor said to me at the time i'm like what should i be worried

01:37:09.480 about these mrna vaccines and he goes would you take the mrna vaccine if it could prevent pancreatic

01:37:14.940 cancer because that's a future which was a don't be worried yeah and so i was like okay i trust my

01:37:19.980 doctor you know so i did it and i regret doing it i wasn't so much worried it's just like i don't

01:37:24.520 want to do it i'll get the card i was worried there was rumors at one point that they were

01:37:29.080 going to start scanning the barcodes in which case you would have been caught fake would have

01:37:33.580 no longer worked but yeah i was traveling and working in a lot of places you you could but no

01:37:37.860 one looked at it closely it's like boop boop boop yeah so very easy okay on the subject of the

01:37:44.240 kamala harris soundbite where she said we've got to be like the elephants to protect the most

01:37:49.060 the most vulnerable right the most vulnerable he um the the larger context of her remarks are about

01:37:56.920 illegal immigration and what's being done right now to deport these alleged gang members what's

01:38:02.400 so insane is they are not the most vulnerable. We are the most vulnerable, in particular women

01:38:07.260 and children who tend to be the victims of these gang members. People like Lake and Riley down in

01:38:12.320 Georgia, like Jocelyn Nangaro, 12-year-old down in Texas. We've seen the names in the media.

01:38:18.580 Those are the most vulnerable. That's what Trump is trying to do to protect the innocent Americans

01:38:22.460 that are the prey of these people who are being deported. And I did ask Tulsi about the screening

01:38:29.320 that's being done because the democrats would have you believe it's willy-nilly right it's like

01:38:33.600 you've got brown skin and and the wrong tattoo you're out and she explained that they are

01:38:39.180 identifying these trenda aragua and ms13 and even sinaloa cartel members largely with the help of

01:38:46.840 the dea which is up to its neck in gang information 501 they know who these guys are they track them

01:38:55.860 They monitor them.

01:38:57.760 All it needed was for somebody to call them up and say, who are they and where are they and figure out which ones are foreign.

01:39:04.400 They're not all foreign and which ones are American.

01:39:06.820 And on top of that, they have lengthy FBI investigations of these people.

01:39:10.900 So I thought that was interesting too, that it is not just like, gee, you're brown, you're out.

01:39:16.800 But there was news about their most famous poster boy, Abrego Garcia, Kilmer Abrego Garcia yesterday, the one who Chris Van Hollen had margaritas with.

01:39:25.860 And it turns out this guy, we knew that he had been accused of beating his wife by his wife.

01:39:30.560 Well, a second report came out of the same, more beatings, in which she saw a protective order, not just as previously reported in 2021, but earlier in August of 2020, she moved for a protective order back then.

01:39:47.500 The details reveal a fight they had with this woman, his wife,

01:39:51.800 alleging that he took her phone, demanded her car keys before flying into a rage.

01:39:56.740 She went upstairs to cook breakfast for the kids, but he shut off the stove,

01:39:59.700 locked the children in their bedroom.

01:40:00.960 They were crying.

01:40:02.000 She got her phone from the car, called 911.

01:40:04.140 He locked her out of the house.

01:40:05.100 He smashed her phone.

01:40:06.520 She checked the boxes for acts of abuse, including kicking, slapping,

01:40:09.700 shoving, mental injury of a child, detaining against one's will.

01:40:12.660 um she could hear the babies crying uh as he locked them in and he was after her me and my

01:40:18.840 kids are afraid now he kicked me he pushed me he slapped me in the face he threatened me

01:40:22.520 i have photos of all the bruises left in my body police came he acted violent with them broke my

01:40:27.240 phone in front of them i have a recording he told my ex-mother-in-law that even if he kills me

01:40:31.700 no one can do anything to him in march of 2020 we now find out she said he pushed me against the

01:40:37.440 wall he broke a phone a tv and damaged the walls november of 19 he grabbed me by the hair in the

01:40:41.640 car, December of 19. He grabbed me by the hair in the car. He dragged me out of the car, leaving me

01:40:45.520 in the street. And then she rescinded the motion for the protective order as virtually all domestic 1.00

01:40:51.480 violence abuse victims do. And on top of that, there's another document from 2018 where her ex,

01:40:59.200 so this is Abrego Garcia's wife now, but in 2018, his girlfriend, she had an ex-husband. His name

01:41:05.280 is Edwin Trejo Ramos. He's currently incarcerated in Maryland. So this is all a very nice crowd.

01:41:10.140 But he, at the time, saw an emergency court hearing to get custody of his children with this woman, saying she tried to kill herself.

01:41:19.500 She left the kids with an 11-year-old to take care of them, and I'm afraid of my kids' lives being in danger because, quote, she is dating a gang member who was, at that time, we understand, Abrego Garcia.

01:41:31.560 So this is the poster boy, the most vulnerable, Kamala Harris might say.

01:41:35.880 yeah so in this case in particular to me in a weird way crystallizes some of like what i go

01:41:43.780 through with like the politics because i actually get to a degree the democrat now not him and this

01:41:51.680 is where i go on this like for the democrats and the guy from maryland to fly down and meet with

01:41:56.260 him and then make this guy the poster child which i think most intelligent people can be like this is

01:42:02.580 a bad guy he's not a citizen i have no problem i want him out yeah that that that is what we want

01:42:08.100 out of this country it doesn't matter the color of your skin if you're not an american citizen and 0.63

01:42:12.740 you have this rap in this track record and you've been deported yeah like he had an order of removal

01:42:17.900 they just they're just not to el salvador now so i agree with all that so it to me when i saw

01:42:23.580 the maryland guy going to say i'm like why why is this guy the guy you're gonna take a stand for

01:42:29.580 and fight for because we don't like he's a bad guy but at the same time i can all that research

01:42:37.360 i can understand it even with something like this if you hit a thousand you gotta hit you

01:42:44.140 gotta bat a thousand if you're gonna pick somebody and deport them and if you just pick the wrong guy

01:42:51.820 once with no due process nothing that's a major issue like you append somebody i don't even care

01:42:58.180 you say they're an illegal but they're like a great person and they're actually contributing

01:43:03.780 to me just picking them up getting rid of them that i'd have a problem with that so but you

01:43:08.580 want them to have a hearing something due process so where is that the fact like they're i'm not

01:43:14.940 sympathizing with democrats or the guy from maryland because you're using the poster child

01:43:19.020 of what trump ran on and we want him out and he got a hearing yes he got a hearing when we

01:43:24.380 deported him the first time but when you're doing it mass after you just can't ever make a mistake

01:43:29.140 so i understand that logic a little bit just not with this guy no you're reflecting the view of

01:43:35.440 most americans according to the latest polls where they are in favor of trump's plan but they do want

01:43:39.720 to see some due projects and it's hard and how do you do that with so many people and without

01:43:44.020 so not one of the things about politics it's not always the easiest thing to come up with like an

01:43:50.760 answer because you got to run a country and it's backed up so what would happen but i do it the

01:43:57.100 democrats constantly like okay this is an issue i sort of the logic behind it but you're not being

01:44:03.560 sincere when this is your poster child because take out politics there's nobody you see this

01:44:10.840 story a lot all right you can do this you can go meet with him do you want him to be your next door

01:44:14.520 neighbor like do you want him to be your next door neighbor or do you want him out of the country if

01:44:18.460 that was it you're either living next door or he's deported everybody do you want him on the trail

01:44:23.180 when your 18 year old daughter goes for a run by herself exactly and that is not that's based on

01:44:28.780 his rap sheet nothing more in the gang stuff so that's where they lose me because it's the find

01:44:35.280 me a way to make sure we can get 100 but that guy is 100 based on the on on the the rap sheet

01:44:41.820 and why this is where they put their flag in the in the mud and be like when the only dispute about

01:44:47.580 this guy is the fact that he technically wasn't supposed to be deported to el salvador but he was

01:44:52.460 ruled deportable yeah the only reason he wasn't deported is because we were lame we didn't have

01:44:57.240 the resources and we didn't do it which is the truth for 20 million illegals the only controversial

01:45:02.600 piece about this guy is that his order of removal said just not to el salvador because he's claiming

01:45:07.640 he'll get killed by gangs there that's it that's what they've thrown their lot behind i do want to

01:45:12.020 get to the larger issue though you're you're right over the target how americans are struggling with

01:45:16.500 well what what is required because we know there was no due process when they came into the country

01:45:21.800 for us right when it comes to our rights to be safe and not have to put them on the public dole

01:45:26.580 and pay for their lives and their health care and all this however here's the thing they don't get

01:45:32.040 the same due process as an american citizen would before we took away their liberty in any way

01:45:37.260 whether it's for trying to deport them for some reason or putting them through the criminal justice

01:45:42.080 system. And what appears to be true in the immigration context, what is true is it's a

01:45:47.980 much lower level of, quote, due process that they're entitled to. And what most people don't

01:45:54.180 know, including Terry Moran, who was one of the lead anchors over at ABC, and I'm going to show

01:45:58.300 you the soundbite of him and Trump, is that in many cases, no due process is okay. None. It's

01:46:07.240 under this thing called expedited removal right which all presidents have used trump expanded

01:46:13.020 expedited removal and you don't get any hearing under it it was used even under biden to say

01:46:18.200 at the border okay if there's if you show up um we can just turn you around we don't have to give

01:46:24.000 you hearing yeah and the only reason you the only way you get a hearing is if you say no no no i'm

01:46:27.440 an asylum seeker right and that's true under trump too but let me just show you terry moran because

01:46:31.800 who clearly has waded in to legal matters that he is not qualified to speak on because he tried 0.69

01:46:38.820 understanding what I just explained to be the law. Watch him try to pin down Trump. And Trump,

01:46:43.300 I'm telling you, Trump is a clever mofo. Just when you think he's like focused on like the UFC 1.00

01:46:50.160 and like his polls, he knows the nuances even of laws like this. Watch where he dodges on this

01:46:58.340 attempt to pin him down. He knows about expedited removal. He knows about the lower standard on due

01:47:03.380 process. And he doesn't allow Terry Moran one inch. It's SOT9. Do you acknowledge that under

01:47:10.320 our law, every single person who gets deported gets a hearing first to make their case? Well,

01:47:17.440 are we talking about people that are citizens of our country or not? No, you're deporting citizens 0.99

01:47:22.300 at this point. Well, let me ask you, did they get hearings when Biden allowed 21 million? Because

01:47:27.900 I think the number is 20 million people to flow into our country.

01:47:32.020 Did we give them a hearing when they came in?

01:47:34.440 Well, the law requires that every single person who is going to be deported gets a hearing first.

01:47:41.100 Do you acknowledge that?

01:47:41.780 I'll have to ask the lawyers about that.

01:47:44.120 All I can say is this.

01:47:45.660 If you're going to have 21 million people and we have to get a lot of them out here, give 21 million?

01:47:50.400 The law is the law, sir.

01:47:50.820 The law is the law.

01:47:51.420 The law doesn't say anything about trials.

01:47:53.840 No, not trials.

01:47:54.660 Hearings.

01:47:55.200 These people came in.

01:47:56.360 They're not citizens. 1.00

01:47:57.100 they came in illegally they came into our country illegally we have to get them out there's a legal 0.71

01:48:02.060 process for i can't be sure and we follow the legal process i can't i can't have a trial a

01:48:07.800 major trial for every person that came in illegally we have thousands of murderers that

01:48:14.300 came in right so we have to get them out and we have to get them out fast really bad guys but in

01:48:19.160 our country even bad guys get due process right if people come into our country illegally there's a

01:48:25.720 different standard these are illegal they came in illegally but they get due process

01:48:30.200 well they get a process where we have to get them out trump was right with every word yeah terry

01:48:39.100 moran was in the wrong i don't know whether he's a lawyer or not i am i practiced law for 10 years

01:48:43.300 and covered the supreme court for three it is not true that everybody gets a hearing it is not

01:48:48.300 the law just google go ahead and don't take my word of google expedited removal to me it's not

01:48:53.080 even necessarily a legal issue it it it becomes a little bit for me a human issue in the sense of

01:49:01.980 i get it they came in the country illegally that but that's our fault that's our fault to a degree

01:49:08.300 for not having the right setup and if i'm having a horrible life somewhere else and i know i can

01:49:13.780 get into this country and it's like well the guys before me they were wrong like they they set this

01:49:20.300 up and you you didn't get in fairly and and you've been living a very productive life here and you've

01:49:26.740 made the most of it to append it and send it i'm not saying that's what we're going through that

01:49:30.960 just goes back to my you better be right like and i i'm not saying i'm that's the legal like we they

01:49:36.760 trump may have every legal argument to be like sorry you're gone but reversing time to be like

01:49:44.760 well you shouldn't have gotten in here and even though you came for the right reasons the american

01:49:49.440 dream and all this stuff now you're gone because the last guy shouldn't that's where i get so you

01:49:54.320 just got to be right get like and i don't know how to do it because he's right the trials the time

01:49:58.440 all of it and it's just a moral issue that i wrestle with a little i hear you i'm i'm definitely

01:50:03.160 further to the right than you are on it but i totally get your point i'll also say that that's

01:50:07.820 this is another reason why trump is using the alien enemies act because under the alien enemies

01:50:12.600 act the amount of due process one would get before being ejected is down to its most minuscule level

01:50:18.020 And even the Supreme Court intimated that the first time it looked at this, saying some level of due process.

01:50:23.980 They clearly understand it's not going to be as robust as the ACLU wants it to be.

01:50:29.020 And even full circle to the original, the gang guy who got El Salvador, hearing how I feel, you just heard it, and you're like, well, I'm more right than you are.

01:50:40.700 The way they've treated that guy has once again pushed me right.

01:50:44.080 It's like, that's who I want out of the country, and if you're going to fight that, well, like, you're losing somebody who theoretically is more maybe center, almost leftish, but I want those people out of the country.

01:50:55.720 So for the Democrats to, again, make a circus and just political, what are you doing going to meet with this guy?

01:51:03.820 Like, that's what drives me crazy.

01:51:05.620 And yet you didn't go and meet with the family of Rachel Morin who was killed in your state by a different illegal.

01:51:11.560 You didn't. Here is Stephen Miller took to the White House podium yesterday and spoke about the Jocelyn Nungari case, which I met the 12 year old girl in Texas and just ripped it. Watch.

01:51:21.560 Most of your papers never covered her story when it happened to the extent that you covered it at all.

01:51:27.140 It was because President Trump forced you to cover it by highlighting it repeatedly over and over again.

01:51:34.420 He had to shame you into covering it.

01:51:37.080 And each and every one of you that sides over and over again with these MS-13 terrorists,

01:51:42.020 to the extent that you have the financial means to do so,

01:51:44.340 you all choose to live in condos or homes or houses as far away from these kinds of gangbangers as you possibly can.

01:51:51.560 If I offered any one of you a rent-free home with no taxes to pay in any of these gang neighborhoods,

01:51:57.760 and I said your neighbors are MS-13 terrorists or Mexican mafia or Sinaloa cartel or Train de Uruguay,

01:52:04.140 i couldn't pay you to live there but yet you with your coverage are trying to force innocent

01:52:09.460 americans to have these people as their neighbors and that one day their daughter may be abducted

01:52:14.200 from their home and raped and murdered so you're not going to get an ounce of sympathy from this

01:52:18.380 administration or president trump for the terrorists who've invaded our homes in our country

01:52:22.340 he's so good yeah i mean it's a fair point i did that's often you at all i'm so with him on that

01:52:30.860 You know, that goes back to what I said. 0.71

01:52:33.220 If you said they're your neighbor, there's a lot of hypocritical. 0.59

01:52:37.040 It's easy when you're sitting in your white ivory tower to say, you know, your idealistic world of way you want the world to exist.

01:52:44.820 But when the rubber meets the road, they would probably privately say a lot of different things or do different things.

01:52:51.320 Rachel Moran's mom was talking about how she went for a jog on a trail that they always walk together.

01:52:58.660 It wasn't like some risky trail.

01:53:00.580 It wasn't the dark of night.

01:53:02.500 It was during the day.

01:53:04.140 They'd done it a thousand times together as a family.

01:53:07.620 It's like our way of life is actively being changed, corrupted, ruined.

01:53:14.000 Her mom's life is changed forever, right?

01:53:16.760 By these people.

01:53:17.740 And so it's like, I have to tell you, I have like zero empathy.

01:53:21.300 And I'm sorry that the ones who came, even though it was illegal and didn't hurt anybody,

01:53:26.460 but like actually tried to like blend in and get jobs have got to go too.

01:53:29.400 But they do.

01:53:30.120 I think they all have got to go.

01:53:31.660 And then if they go, Trump said, if you go now, you can come back in.

01:53:35.440 But if you stay and then we find out that you overstayed, you're never coming back into the country.

01:53:40.760 And then you're in serious trouble.

01:53:42.240 Okay, I've got to take a quick break.

01:53:43.300 Be right back.

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01:54:18.640 Tomorrow.

01:54:25.120 Don't forget, tomorrow's the big day where we will show you the world premiere

01:54:29.540 of our film, now that we've been, with special guest stars who you will know very well and

01:54:35.800 will thoroughly enjoy.

01:54:37.420 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show, everyone.

01:54:39.120 Here with me today, Dave Portnoy, president and founder of Barstool Sports, otherwise

01:54:43.880 known as El Presidente.

01:54:46.720 Katy Perry, among others, receiving major backlash, not for taking the flight, but for

01:54:52.680 how they behaved afterward, like they actually were, Alan Shepard and Neil Armstrong.

01:54:57.500 And so she's come out to say she's feeling battered and bruised by the backlash via Variety, that the Internet is a dumping ground for unhinged and unhealed people.

01:55:10.340 But she has resolved, Dave, to keep looking to the light because she doesn't want to be further damaged by these unhealed people.

01:55:19.000 She's right. 0.99

01:55:20.040 The Internet is filled with unhinged lunatics. 0.89

01:55:23.780 But when you do this little outer space mission, that can happen.

01:55:27.500 And I'm not going to lose my sleep worrying about Katy Perry's feelings.

01:55:31.260 But she is right. 1.00

01:55:32.300 It's filled with unhinged lunatics. 1.00

01:55:33.840 It is. 0.99

01:55:34.280 But those are not the ones who are attacking her.

01:55:35.920 No, I'm sure she's getting it all sides.

01:55:37.700 And I'm not, again, like, what are you going to do?

01:55:39.660 To me, it's just so, it's just right on brand to go up there and act like you're Alan Shepard.

01:55:44.040 And then when people are like, would you calm down?

01:55:45.900 You took a vanity flight to outer space thanks to Jeff Bezos.

01:55:50.120 That costs a million dollars a seat.

01:55:51.920 And stop saying, Gail King, have you been?

01:55:53.580 Literally no one's been.

01:55:54.440 It costs a million dollars. 1.00

01:55:55.480 Shut up. 1.00

01:55:55.900 and then when people have that reaction to you to act like i will not be bruised by you broken 1.00

01:56:01.320 people i will go toward the just stop talking just somebody like that is so out of touch with

01:56:07.660 like reality because they've been a star and big i i feel like if you get a celebrity like that

01:56:12.660 what one or two is gonna have any ground in any reality they're living in like a fantasy world so

01:56:19.160 nothing is real um i'm actually surprised the internet can actually get to them i didn't know

01:56:24.600 What are they, on X, checking, like, comments?

01:56:26.320 That surprised me a little bit.

01:56:27.400 Almost certainly.

01:56:28.100 Yeah, so that is a little surprising.

01:56:30.120 But, yeah, you get to a level of coddled superstar status where you just lose track of reality when you go to outer space.

01:56:37.640 We have some news on Meghan Markle, which we'll get to in just a bit.

01:56:40.560 Okay, exciting.

01:56:41.440 But before we leave hard news, because, yeah, Katy Perry's hard news, but I forgot to mention this thing about Pete Hegseth.

01:56:48.520 So there's been a lot of speculation that he's going to go.

01:56:50.560 Mike Walsh, for those just joining us, is reportedly out as National Security Advisor along with his top deputy, Alex Wong, a man who's been underneath him there since he was sworn in, and some others too.

01:57:03.820 You heard Mark Halpern reporting that it's going to be a lot of the staff, that there's reportedly disarray over there.

01:57:09.140 We don't know what the full story is, but we will.

01:57:11.200 So there's speculation about whether Pete Hegseth is going to be forced out as Secretary of Defense.

01:57:16.020 And I wanted to say this, so I love Mark Halpern, and he's been doing great in his new podcast, but he reported yesterday on Hegseth, and there was a bit of information in there involving yours truly, and I want to speak to it, so watch this.

01:57:31.920 Pete Hegseth, okay? The stories about him, there's still some ambiguity about the facts, but people in MAGA pretend there's not a problem, and he's done a very good job of playing by the rules that the president expects of being aggressive.

01:57:44.060 What I can report here today is that his standing in the administration is not as solid as some people believe, and as the president and the White House press secretary have tried to signal.

01:57:55.840 There are people at the senior most levels of this administration, not counting the president necessarily, but the senior most levels under him who believe that the next time Pete Hegseth makes a mistake or is exposed to have made a mistake, he needs to go.

01:58:10.040 And there are already plans underway to figure that out.

01:58:12.740 Now, what are the public clues to that? Because MAGA has been pretty supportive of Pete Hegseth. Two people who are part of the very strong outside support group of the president, Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly here at the Megyn Kelly Network, they've both now done interviews with the advisors who were forced out of their Pentagon jobs and who both have said things about Pete Hegseth that are not fully supportive.

01:58:40.140 if they like him, they're close to him, but they both have made it clear that they see real

01:58:43.920 problems in his governance and his stewardship at the Pentagon. That's a clue. And I keep being

01:58:48.980 pointed to that clue by folks to say, if two allies of the president and two people very

01:58:53.760 close to Pete Hegseth, Megan and Tucker, are doing these interviews, something is afoot.

01:59:00.460 Okay, fair enough. I understand why people are making that calculation.

01:59:04.620 Are you in that category? You're very public strong? Are you like...

01:59:08.360 Yeah, I'm a friend of Pete's, and I supported his nomination and thought what they were trying to do to him.

01:59:13.280 And Trump's.

01:59:13.660 Yeah, Trump too, totally.

01:59:15.480 But I just want to say, in my case, I can't speak for Tucker, but that's not true.

01:59:20.260 Like, I in no way put on Colin Carroll, one of the fired, accused leakers he denies being one completely, in an effort to undermine Pete or get rid of Pete or because my MAGA connections or sensitivities are telling me Pete's teetering and I'm trying to push him over the edge.

01:59:37.840 is totally not the case at all. I'm just a news person. And they actually came to me and asked me

01:59:43.820 if they could come on. Originally, it was all three of them. And then two of them got tapped

01:59:47.720 on the shoulder by their lawyers, which I understand. But Colin was like, I'm doing it.

01:59:52.600 So I'm like, fine, great. I mean, I'll interview Pete. I'll interview the guy Pete fired. I'll

01:59:56.940 interview pretty much anybody you want to put in front of me unless I have a personal loathing for

02:00:00.180 them. So just to make it clear that no one should be reading anything into what I know or what I

02:00:06.920 want based on the fact that i have a pretty big 180 just publicly like last week weren't they like

02:00:11.980 it's all there's no all the rumors are false and he's in great standing yeah well and even trump

02:00:16.520 in that terry moran interview he spoke to it well you tell me what you think of how he answered the

02:00:21.420 question on pete um you've got it deb we'll watch it here you said the other day that you had a talk

02:00:28.940 with the secretary did you take him to the woodshed uh i had a talk with him and whatever

02:00:36.300 i said i probably wouldn't be inclined to tell you but we had a good talk he's a talented guy

02:00:42.520 he's young he's smart highly educated uh and i think he's going to be a very good defense

02:00:49.540 hopefully a great defense secretary but he'll be a very good defense secretary you have 100

02:00:53.280 confidence in i don't have a hundred percent confidence in anything okay anything do i have 0.98

02:00:59.800 a hundred percent it's a stupid question look uh it's pretty important i have no no no you don't 0.99

02:01:06.620 have a hundred percent only a liar would say i have a hundred percent confidence i don't have 1.00

02:01:11.840 a hundred percent confidence that we're going to finish this interview

02:01:14.400 that that that to me was by the way that's why like people like trump the way he answered that

02:01:22.960 but he definitely took him to the woodshed he definitely took him to the woodshed and probably

02:01:26.960 said if you embarrass me or the administration on a major level one more time you're gone

02:01:32.060 i don't want to i think he likes him and does not want to get rid of him but he's clear like

02:01:36.240 you're out of your strike two has happened i think that would be the vibe of the conversation

02:01:41.520 i think that's fair yeah that's fair and that's a fair way by the way to to talk to somebody like

02:01:47.420 Like if you – I've had to fire people at Barstool who I like. 0.98

02:01:52.960 But if you're just dumb and you keep screwing up, I'm not going to lose sleep over your incompetence as much as I want to keep you. 0.99

02:01:59.800 I'm not saying that's Pete, but I'm saying – 1.00

02:02:02.400 As a leader.

02:02:03.100 At some point, it doesn't matter your personal feelings.

02:02:05.860 If you keep screwing up, you got to go.

02:02:07.280 What will get you fired at Barstool?

02:02:08.760 You really have to.

02:02:10.200 I have to try. 1.00

02:02:10.780 You really have to be super, super dumb. 1.00

02:02:13.660 Very few things. 1.00

02:02:15.040 um like we recently teetered there was a big news story like there was a vicious rumor of a

02:02:22.480 old miss like co-ed slept with her her boyfriend's dad went crazy viral yes crazy viral we had an 0.98

02:02:31.500 idiot who talked about it as though it was fact i knew it wasn't fact right away i actually 0.99

02:02:36.220 thought we were keeping it off but we posted it for seven minutes gets us in all sorts of trouble 1.00

02:02:40.740 this kid's a moron shut out nicky smokes no redeemable value really to us but i do like him 0.99

02:02:47.280 and he like tries hard he's just dumb that almost got him fired oh my god he's working for you and 1.00

02:02:52.220 you're talking about it like this this is the truth this is somebody who you stayed who you 0.94

02:02:55.340 kept yeah he works for us no it's good to be benevolent on a big mistake though because if 1.00

02:03:00.180 you can be yes he'll never do something like that again well unless you're so stupid that you can't 0.98

02:03:06.640 prevent it despite your best like we're not hiring the secretary of defense these are we're barstool 1.00

02:03:12.940 sports we're blogging talking sports so sometimes you know intelligence isn't necessarily the top

02:03:18.860 requirement for us okay it's being entertaining i got it fair enough well it's a world that's

02:03:24.660 very foreign to me very foreign to me so you're gonna have to walk me through our next two

02:03:28.100 segments here okay we got to talk about bill belichick you ripped him okay i i mean i thought

02:03:33.360 it was elder abuse i like honestly what i saw there was dr jill had dr jill vibes this overly

02:03:38.980 aggressive younger partner who's in this like apparently he looked infirm to me the way he was

02:03:45.080 answering those questions like man who's being a take advantage of and all i could think was his

02:03:49.840 family needs to do an intervention and get this woman off of his back but can you set the stage

02:03:53.560 for us on like what what's happening with this guy i'll start by saying i am a die-hard new

02:03:58.160 England Patriots fan yeah you're from Boston diehard I love Bill Belichick he's like my guy

02:04:03.440 has brought so many championships I know him personally he lives on Nantucket I live on

02:04:08.300 Nantucket I've met Jordan so it's a very awkward thing to see I also watch that show CBS Sunday

02:04:14.400 morning with the interview it's like my feel-good show I just like it I like nature there's some

02:04:19.760 politics whatever but for the most part that is a drink your coffee eat your bagel feel good

02:04:25.380 show so i was not expecting this interview i was squirming i don't know what to expect i don't

02:04:32.120 know what to think about it uh it certainly was awkward i've heard people say you know is she

02:04:40.320 taking advantage of him well he's taking advantage of her he's sleeping with a a very attractive

02:04:44.280 young girl 50 years younger i don't know why she's so involved like i really don't um i've met

02:04:52.200 her she's nice enough she's running the whole show i've known that a couple months ago how so

02:04:57.440 like she every every piece of bill belichick business goes through her like she is basically 0.66

02:05:03.940 let she would act like if that was maybe not in a romantic relationship and that's

02:05:10.780 his pr manager or like an agent yeah nobody's blinking at that like that happens i'm sure a lot

02:05:16.860 with celebs we're not going to talk about it now you combine it with bill belichick who's

02:05:20.520 gruff with the media and generally always handles himself it's just a very awkward situation the age

02:05:26.120 gap is huge clearly but she runs the show there's rumors hard knocks for hbo was supposed to do uh

02:05:32.500 north carolina she shut that down um the state that's where he's the coach now yeah he's the

02:05:37.520 coach there so it's just uh it's such a juxtaposition of a guy who seemingly had no media

02:05:46.800 savvy but was always just straightforward no time for the media now having his life run by

02:05:52.140 a 25 year old it certainly is eye-opening for a guy like me i also know i'm going to run into

02:05:58.420 probably them in nintucket and i'll be carrying my watermelon out of stop and shop and i don't

02:06:03.820 want it to be an awkward conversation it all on me yeah but it went super viral i mean it's all

02:06:09.560 anybody's talking about it's all and because it's just such a departure from how a sports fan

02:06:15.860 patriot fan everybody thought of bill belichick so explain that to me because we watch that i come

02:06:21.480 into this like at a left field i don't i know who he is of course even i know who bill belichick

02:06:25.300 greatest coach of all time but i don't follow his you know i didn't i didn't know about the

02:06:29.180 girlfriend and all that um to me he looked out of it like he seemed confused but i've never ever

02:06:36.540 seen yeah so i've seen a lot of people like he's wearing a holy sweatshirt that's what he does like

02:06:41.080 That is his look.

02:06:42.520 Does he talk like that?

02:06:43.680 Does he look confused generally?

02:06:46.360 Generally, if he doesn't want to answer a question, he grumbles.

02:06:49.240 He says, I'm not going to answer that.

02:06:50.520 He's famous for not answering questions.

02:06:52.660 He's never media savvy.

02:06:54.600 Him going on a book tour, which is what he was doing,

02:06:57.740 seems like the last thing he would ever do in a million years.

02:07:01.300 If she wasn't there, I would anticipate him just being like,

02:07:06.220 I'm not going to answer it.

02:07:07.140 He's rarely conducting interviews that he has no interest in.

02:07:11.980 He just doesn't care for the media or what they think.

02:07:14.560 The thing that he said that was the most accurate is probably like, I don't care what people think about me.

02:07:19.240 And clearly he doesn't.

02:07:20.580 But I've never seen him defer to anybody.

02:07:25.580 Like that is the most shocking.

02:07:27.520 Like if someone else is speaking for him, that never happens.

02:07:30.840 He speaks for himself loudly through his actions clearly and is always like a general in the commander of the room, really.

02:07:39.220 So to see him basically give what appears to be control of his life to her is shocking.

02:07:47.020 Go ahead.

02:07:48.180 Most of the audience has probably seen the clip by now, but just in case they haven't, let's play it for them.

02:07:50.980 Let's play the one where she interrupts.

02:07:52.480 This is Bill Belichick on CBS This Morning with anchor Tony Dokopoul and his 24-year-old girlfriend, who's 49 years younger than he is, interrupting the interview.

02:08:04.000 Watch.

02:08:04.480 The other change for Belichick is 24-year-old Jordan Hudson, his creative muse, as he writes in his book.

02:08:14.880 Jordan was a constant presence during our interview.

02:08:18.540 You have Jordan right over there.

02:08:21.020 everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship they've got an opinion about

02:08:25.680 your private life it's got nothing to do with them but they're invested in it how do you deal

02:08:30.320 with that never been too worried about what everybody else thinks just try to do what i

02:08:35.200 feel like is best for me and what's right how did you guys meet that's the truth not talking about

02:08:40.020 this no no it's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on okay so now she said

02:08:48.920 he's how did you meet and she interjects not count commenting about this and there are reports

02:08:53.200 that she actually interjected multiple times cbs only chose to show the one just to give the

02:08:58.760 audience a a true sense of what how this thing and it's about the book and and to cbs's defense

02:09:03.880 she that quote that he she is the muse is in the book it's in the book yeah exactly so um now this

02:09:11.080 fight started unfolding online this is via the daily mail involving belichick's daughter-in-law

02:09:17.160 She's married to his son, and her name is Jennifer.

02:09:20.440 She's married to his son, Steve Belichick.

02:09:23.780 Some people were defending Jordan, the girlfriend.

02:09:27.600 For example, somebody posted, oh, former New England Patriots star Julian Edelman.

02:09:33.100 Saw that.

02:09:33.600 You know him?

02:09:34.060 Yep.

02:09:34.480 Stuck up for her, saying she was merely acting how any PR person would.

02:09:38.820 Comedian Nikki Glaser also defended Hudson, saying 100%.

02:09:42.440 She's acting as his publicist.

02:09:44.680 Publicists do this during interviews.

02:09:46.280 people are out for blood and first of all i'll tell you what jennifer the daughter-in-law said but

02:09:50.800 i i have done countless interviews countless i've both given as the subject of them and done

02:09:57.440 conducted literally has this never i've never seen this happen never the pr people will come to you

02:10:04.800 before the interview and they will beg you not to cover or ask after for it to be cut yes exactly

02:10:11.260 that's their job as a journalist and tony dokopoul is a journalist you would say thank you for your

02:10:17.600 input that's it you would never make a promise ever it's literally considered unethical to say

02:10:22.440 i won't ask about that you know at most i've ever heard somebody say is we can't make you any

02:10:27.460 promises but you know we're not that interested in that subject like a wink and a nut but never

02:10:32.100 never has a pr person ever interviewed interjected into into an in the middle of it no we get people

02:10:39.040 asking if someone doesn't want to talk about it we generally want because people generally want to

02:10:42.460 talk about what you are asking not to talk about so we won't do it it's strange i i don't agree

02:10:47.760 with that it was different rules if it's like a host you know what i mean if you're sitting to

02:10:52.040 somebody who doesn't consider themselves a journalist very different and by the way this

02:10:54.660 is how talk shows get away with it all the time i've been asked to go on a bunch of talk shows

02:10:58.380 including tamron halls like five years ago and her executive producer said we'll give you all

02:11:03.360 the questions in advance i'm like i'm not doing that i felt like i don't want that yeah right so

02:11:07.820 She got away with it because they consider that a talk show, but she's not, I guess, calling herself a journalist anymore, at least wasn't for that show.

02:11:14.420 Okay, so then Jennifer, Belichick's daughter-in-law, weighs in and says publicists act in a professional matter and do not storm off set, delaying an interview.

02:11:27.760 Yeah, so I know them too.

02:11:29.640 This is all like – and that probably tells you everything you need to know about how the family – and that's natural.

02:11:35.060 there's a story that came out in the new york post i think yesterday that she accumulated like 10

02:11:39.500 million dollars of real estate very quickly so i'm sure the family based on that quote is a little

02:11:44.700 like what is going on here and it's just this is a guy that is not a pushover he has built his

02:11:50.600 reputation on being like a gruff kind of guy who needs everything particular and detail oriented

02:11:57.680 it's just very strange to see he's the guy tim waltz was trying to convince us he was no jazz

02:12:04.500 hands yeah football i don't even know if even he was the guy man yeah he was trying to i think be

02:12:11.000 more like a gronk guy but who knows well there's more so he you know about this because i saw you

02:12:17.380 commented on it um so bill belichick posted a statement on the unc university of north carolina

02:12:25.680 chapel hill is where he coaches right chapel hill yep um and he he wrote wrote as follows

02:12:30.240 i agreed to speak with cbs sunday morning to promote my new book the art of winning

02:12:34.480 Prior to the interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist.

02:12:37.880 So he's not even saying he told Tony Dokopoul or the CBS publicist.

02:12:41.580 I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon & Schuster

02:12:44.800 that any promotional interviews I participated in

02:12:47.180 would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book.

02:12:49.640 Unfortunately, that expectation was not honored during the interview.

02:12:52.600 I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced,

02:12:54.860 and I repeatedly expressed to the reporter, Tony Dokopoul,

02:12:58.180 and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered on the book.

02:13:01.420 After this occurred several times, Jordan,

02:13:02.980 with whom I share both a personal and professional relationship,

02:13:05.200 stepped in to reiterate that point and help refocus the discussion.

02:13:08.160 She was not deflecting any specific question or topic.

02:13:10.400 I'm sorry, Bill, but she was,

02:13:12.160 but was simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed on track.

02:13:15.420 Some of the clips made it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met,

02:13:17.920 but we've been open about the fact that Jordan and I met on a flight to Palm Beach in 2021,

02:13:22.040 and it goes on for them saying these are just selectively edited clips,

02:13:26.680 suggested a false narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation,

02:13:29.780 which is simply not true.

02:13:31.780 Yeah, I'm like white knuckling the table.

02:13:35.600 In my years following Bill Belichick, I would say my knowledge of him,

02:13:42.760 there's roughly 0% chance he wrote that.

02:13:46.540 He just doesn't care generally what anyone thinks about him.

02:13:51.640 So to go write that, my guess would be Jordan wrote that.

02:13:55.140 The fact it is on the North Carolina website is insane.

02:13:59.480 Right.

02:13:59.880 It's just insane.

02:14:01.780 Um, it's shocking again, it's, I'm speaking to all Patriot fans, Boston people, this guy,

02:14:09.120 like if you could have predicted this, people would say you're living in a bizarro world.

02:14:14.440 It's just so strange in this long email, crazy, the public statement crazy, but I, I'm not

02:14:20.720 even sure he knows that was written.

02:14:23.900 You're right.

02:14:24.420 Like he may not, he, he may not.

02:14:26.480 I really don't know.

02:14:27.340 So the Daily Mail had a comprehensive piece, and they cited the New York Post as reporting, even before this past weekend's interview, Belichick's friends shaking their heads about his relationship with Jordan.

02:14:38.960 Quote, they're talking to him about her, but very gently because they know how deep in it he is.

02:14:43.520 She saw an opening and she took it, an insider added, of how she has inserted herself into every aspect of his life and career.

02:14:49.380 Consensus among people around Belichick, another source said, is that this relationship is alarming and Hudson is a runaway train.

02:14:54.620 However, they include one person defending them, saying when it comes to the situation, it is just a moment in time.

02:15:02.140 He and Jordan are fine.

02:15:03.100 Nobody should be concerned at this point.

02:15:05.620 But then they also say multiple reports say UNC is growing uneasy with her involvement in everything.

02:15:12.000 Yeah, so there's an adage in sports, winning cures everything.

02:15:18.340 If North Carolina wins, people are going to forget this.

02:15:22.540 and North Carolina will be happy and look the other way.

02:15:25.100 If North Carolina has a bad season, it's going to get very rocky.

02:15:29.140 It is not, I don't think, normal for a relatively new relationship 1.00

02:15:33.960 with this age gap, with the age of someone coming in,

02:15:37.020 running his entire life, and CBS and Hard Knocks

02:15:41.820 supposedly got canceled because of her.

02:15:43.660 It's just shocking. It's just shocking.

02:15:46.040 It's all being fought in headlines and rumors and back and forth.

02:15:49.800 And by the way, to Jordan's credit, she's, if you want to say credit,

02:15:52.540 she's not taking a step backwards like every time a story comes out she's pushing forwards like she

02:15:58.680 is she is not a tame flower she is not running from this at all she's running from how they met

02:16:05.040 that seems clear and in my opinion they did not quote meet on a plane i think they did because i

02:16:11.480 think they laid eyes on each other in person for the first time on a plane but she's so defensive

02:16:16.520 about it there's something more to the story i don't know what it was was it only fans was it

02:16:20.780 some setup by a matchmaker they're telling the truth i just think she's in control in her mind

02:16:27.140 she's like we said we're not talking about that we're not talking about it because from the second

02:16:31.740 i met them the story has been told the same to me she posted how they met a long time ago i know

02:16:36.900 you think that's a front well then if they met through so she's fauci to you she's a criminal

02:16:42.220 she's like a criminal mastermind no i mean listen i view her the same way i viewed anna nicole

02:16:47.380 smith like everyone understands what the deal here is he's an older guy with money and power

02:16:52.440 which some women find if not attractive worthy of being with they can upgrade their lifestyle

02:16:57.940 they're gonna travel the world and the old guy gets some young beautiful woman on his arm and 0.80

02:17:02.800 probably a lot of hot sex he otherwise wouldn't be having yeah i mean i keep could he not could 0.98

02:17:09.200 he not just get hookers if he didn't want i don't know i mean and then nicole i don't remember that 0.99

02:17:13.620 guy was like on his desk he was like 200 years old yeah he couldn't even get up like belichick 0.82

02:17:17.940 is still outside of this seems to be normally functioned you know 24 year old girl wants a

02:17:24.980 74 year old man i mean that's not what you're attracted to i to me it's an obvious attempt 1.00

02:17:30.120 to be with power and money it's like look a lot of women do that yeah maybe she's legitimately

02:17:35.080 attracted to i don't know the whole thing the whole thing is makes you uncomfortable it's just

02:17:42.040 it's stunning

02:17:43.160 it is stunning

02:17:44.320 before we leave

02:17:45.080 the topic of

02:17:45.720 the Patriots

02:17:46.460 I remember

02:17:47.620 asking you about this

02:17:48.480 the first time

02:17:48.920 you came out

02:17:49.220 you were on

02:17:49.640 one other time

02:17:50.180 a long time

02:17:50.560 I think we only

02:17:51.220 had audio

02:17:51.640 at the time

02:17:52.020 do you hate

02:17:54.480 or love

02:17:55.060 Tom Brady

02:17:55.640 love

02:17:57.360 love

02:17:57.860 okay

02:17:58.160 yeah

02:17:58.540 I may have

02:17:59.660 spoken with you

02:18:00.180 when he went

02:18:00.500 to the Bucs

02:18:01.100 okay

02:18:01.840 I was mad at him

02:18:02.600 maybe that's what

02:18:03.280 happened

02:18:03.520 yeah

02:18:03.740 but he's the

02:18:04.240 greatest of all time

02:18:05.020 okay

02:18:05.260 there's no question

02:18:05.940 in your mind

02:18:06.280 no question

02:18:06.740 he's number one

02:18:07.300 yes

02:18:07.640 and how is he doing

02:18:08.920 as a sports commentator

02:18:09.860 bad

02:18:10.200 awful

02:18:10.680 not good

02:18:11.200 oh why 0.69

02:18:12.120 He just stinks at it. 0.54

02:18:13.040 Wait, what do you mean?

02:18:13.740 I mean, not everybody.

02:18:14.600 He's the greatest quarterback.

02:18:15.840 Not everybody is born to be a great announcer.

02:18:18.420 I just don't find him to be good at announcing football.

02:18:22.740 Now, he's brand new.

02:18:23.860 It's his first year.

02:18:24.960 They gave him a gigantic contract.

02:18:26.440 But he certainly didn't come out of the gates like a natural.

02:18:30.080 Didn't he have all sorts of training?

02:18:31.260 I'm sure he did for the amount they paid.

02:18:32.880 But again, maybe anybody can eventually become a good announcer.

02:18:37.580 I don't know.

02:18:38.100 It's not the easiest thing to do.

02:18:39.600 But he just didn't come out of the gates.

02:18:40.900 he's almost to me too elevated he's so great like the way he talks but no i didn't think he

02:18:47.080 he did not come out all guns firing and again it's his first year doing it so maybe there should be

02:18:54.800 some leeway but they paid him a ton of money oh yeah i mean a ton almost 400 million dollars

02:18:59.660 yeah it's crazy yeah it's a big time deal um okay shadour sanders yes so this is deon sanders

02:19:06.640 son. Yep. Deion Sanders, such a big football star. Even I know that name. Yep. Who did Deion

02:19:12.140 play for? In the pros, he played for Falcons, Cowboys, and 49ers. Okay. And he is the one,

02:19:17.980 I've quoted Deion Sanders before because he had some great quote, which was something to the

02:19:21.640 effect of, if you look good, you play good. If you play good, they pay good. Yep. Which I love.

02:19:27.780 That's very clever and cute. But his son, who was many expected to go like, well, you tell me where

02:19:33.740 in the draft where what were the what was the expectation i think earlier in the season a lot

02:19:37.220 of people were saying early first round top 10 pick and then as they got close to the draft it

02:19:42.500 started sliding and you heard maybe end of the first round second round is probably what people

02:19:47.300 thought going into because he's a big college qb yes okay and then the draft comes and walk us

02:19:54.700 through how that unfolded because he was like the story that night yes so the draft comes first round

02:20:00.980 comes and goes he's not drafted uh not totally shocking um mel kuyper who is the draft guy

02:20:09.800 expert he's ranting and raving he should go and then round two comes nothing round three comes

02:20:15.320 nothing so he slid i believe into the fourth round how many rounds are there there's i think

02:20:20.120 six six or seven six or seven so now he's down in the bottom shocking shocking um and players

02:20:25.500 who quarterbacks going who I think anybody would say well Shador is better than him not drafted

02:20:32.220 and it became the story and it kind of took on a life of its own with people all over the internet

02:20:37.360 chiming in why isn't he getting drafted for various reasons um that was a story so uh I love

02:20:45.540 Dion he used to work for Barstool he's one of my favorite guys I've ever met there were innuendos

02:20:51.740 it's race it's this it's that it to me it was none of it it was chador sanders and the sanders

02:20:58.480 are one of the great publicity machines of all time like dion's heavily involved dion's saying

02:21:04.620 hey i played in the nfl uh we're picking what team we're going to he's going to be the starter

02:21:09.440 he's this that um so there's a lot that comes including you could say a circus when you draft

02:21:14.520 your door you're putting a tent on the thing for nfl teams there's nothing they hate more

02:21:20.180 than distractions they're like the most everyone's focused we don't need distractions having said

02:21:25.300 that if they think a guy can help them win you could be a murderer and they draft that's happened

02:21:30.360 literally that's all they care about but in evaluating there's a fine line between is this

02:21:37.700 guy the guy and can we win with Shador and he is he the franchise if teams thought that they would

02:21:42.900 have picked him instantly none of the other stuff would have mattered but he was kind of in a weird

02:21:47.160 area where a lot of teams like this isn't he's not going to be a 10-year star he's not tom brady

02:21:52.920 and if he's not that do we want him fighting for a backup job do we want microphones in his face

02:21:58.600 because that's a circus the last thing you want that's what i believe happened so if you didn't

02:22:03.340 think he was the starter in a top five pick do you want him in your locker room creating a circus

02:22:10.640 environment and he kind of got caught in the middle and that's when he dropped all the way

02:22:14.920 to cleveland now if you're cleveland or any team dropping them fourth fifth drafting them fourth

02:22:19.440 fifth round you're like you know what enough we're getting microphones he's not who we think he is

02:22:24.160 you just cut him it's not the end of the world because you didn't waste the top draft pick if

02:22:28.440 you take them early and it doesn't work you're stuck with them really because you can't waste

02:22:33.340 the draft pick so i think that's what happened all the other innuendo around it is garbage why

02:22:38.680 why is president trump involved what's he tweeted somebody should take him or what happened there

02:22:43.040 I'm friends with Deion.

02:22:44.180 I mean, yeah.

02:22:45.280 During the draft, he tweeted.

02:22:46.580 Yeah, when he was slipping, Trump – I mean, Trump loves talking football.

02:22:50.900 He owns a football team.

02:22:52.020 He likes jumping in in these discussions.

02:22:54.380 I think sometimes Trump just can't handle, like, having X in front of him.

02:22:58.600 He's like, how are they not – he's like a fan.

02:23:01.280 He's president, though, so – but I don't think he thought anything.

02:23:04.320 He's like, oh, I'm friends with Deion, and I'm going to say he should be drafted.

02:23:08.800 Is it inappropriate?

02:23:10.800 I like it.

02:23:11.540 Like, did people think he was putting inappropriate pressure on teams as the president?

02:23:15.080 No, I kind of like it.

02:23:17.060 It depends what he's doing, but that's Trump.

02:23:20.860 I mean, I thought it was funny.

02:23:21.720 The leg tries to make a controversy out of everything Trump does.

02:23:24.100 Okay, but back to this.

02:23:25.400 So Stephen A. Smith was on the show not long ago, and he posted something that I know you disagreed with, but explain it to me.

02:23:30.600 So he posted, someone just texted me this message, and they're absolutely correct.

02:23:34.200 Quote, this is a bad look for the NFL.

02:23:36.280 This feels like Kaepernick-level collusion.

02:23:38.280 All the hard work the NFL League office puts in to eradicate these kinds of perceptions, only to turn around and watch as the owners look like they're colluding, messing up everything.

02:23:47.340 What has been done to Shador will outshine everything else in this draft.

02:23:50.640 We'll never believe this is just about talent evaluation again.

02:23:54.920 And that does seem to be a reference to race.

02:23:57.640 Yeah, I mean, I don't know why you'd bring in Kaepernick and what they're trying to, to me, I don't know why he didn't put the word racism.

02:24:04.320 That's what it sounded like, racism.

02:24:05.740 That's why I responded.

02:24:06.660 That's an insane take to me.

02:24:07.880 The owners and the NFL are arguably the most competitive group of billionaire, successful people.

02:24:17.640 They don't like each other.

02:24:19.280 They want to win.

02:24:20.460 They would never collude.

02:24:21.320 They'd never collude.

02:24:22.540 If they thought Shador could get them a Super Bowl, they would do whatever.

02:24:27.780 So to me, that's just an absolutely insane take.

02:24:30.920 It's just when you're drafting guys, not just strictly talent.

02:24:34.240 You're looking at all the things that are surrounding them.

02:24:36.420 Who was the first draft pick this year?

02:24:38.460 It was Cam Ward as a black quarterback.

02:24:40.920 Okay.

02:24:41.280 So it's like, I mean.

02:24:42.220 And then I read that in the last three drafts, including this year, yeah, a black quarterback went number one overall.

02:24:47.460 Yeah.

02:24:47.960 So it's not, it has nothing to do with race at all.

02:24:51.920 Who thinks the NFL is racist?

02:24:53.400 What's that?

02:24:54.140 Who thinks the NFL is racist?

02:24:55.520 I mean, when he says the Kaepernick stuff, he's going back to taking a knee.

02:24:59.800 And there were some teams taking a knee, some not.

02:25:02.800 I mean, Jerry Jones came out.

02:25:04.000 So he's going back to that.

02:25:04.940 And by the way, there is similarities to me in the Kaepernick situation

02:25:08.340 in which teams just viewed Kaepernick and said he's not good enough

02:25:14.160 to have a circus following him.

02:25:15.440 Yeah, yeah, this is a distraction.

02:25:17.040 So do you think Deion ultimately hurt his son by being such a big personality

02:25:21.540 who they thought they were going to have to deal with more than they wanted to?

02:25:25.400 Strictly in where he got drafted, like would he have been drafted quicker

02:25:29.900 if it was Deion Jones who was his dad?

02:25:34.060 Absolutely.

02:25:34.940 But if you ask Dion and you ask Shador, are you glad Dion's there?

02:25:40.220 100%.

02:25:40.620 He probably wouldn't be getting drafted at all if it weren't for his dad.

02:25:43.300 And he's this huge media, like, I mean, he's partying.

02:25:46.020 He's getting millions of dollars in endorsements and all this stuff.

02:25:48.860 So it's a package deal.

02:25:50.060 But if you're just saying, would teams have drafted him without?

02:25:53.420 I mean, Dion, before the draft, is like, don't draft my kid if I don't like you

02:25:56.700 because I'm not going to let him sign with you.

02:25:58.220 Oh, wow.

02:25:58.600 Well, he's not the first one who did that. 0.70

02:25:59.740 The Mannings did that.

02:26:00.840 Oh, really?

02:26:01.320 Yeah, Eli Manning, they said to, I believe it was the Colts.

02:26:04.940 So if you draft him, he's not coming.

02:26:06.680 And they didn't draft him.

02:26:07.680 So they bullied their way.

02:26:08.720 Did one of them go to the Colts?

02:26:09.760 No one went to the Colts?

02:26:10.660 One went to Denver?

02:26:11.740 Giants.

02:26:12.880 Eli went to the Giants instead of the Colts.

02:26:14.900 The Colts had the first pick.

02:26:15.960 Did a Manning play for Denver?

02:26:17.560 Yes, at the end of his career.

02:26:19.040 When he had no arm, he couldn't throw five yards.

02:26:21.540 You were right.

02:26:22.620 No, a Manning played for the Colts.

02:26:24.980 Peyton played his entire career.

02:26:25.940 Oh, there we go.

02:26:26.600 You were right.

02:26:27.120 So I was right.

02:26:27.480 Was it the Colts?

02:26:28.240 I don't know.

02:26:29.220 Whoever, I forget now that you say it because Peyton played for the Colts.

02:26:32.980 Wherever Eli, whoever had the first pick, maybe it was San Diego.

02:26:36.040 Oh, wait, they're telling me Peyton played for the Colts.

02:26:38.040 Peyton played for the Colts.

02:26:39.260 Somebody had the first pick when Eli came out,

02:26:41.780 and Archie Manning, who played in the league,

02:26:44.160 did what Deion essentially did without as much pomp and circumstance

02:26:47.440 that if you draft him, he's not going.

02:26:49.380 And they didn't draft him.

02:26:50.740 And John Elway has done it.

02:26:52.460 So it's not Deion just was much more loud in this era of endorsements and stuff.

02:26:57.920 It's the circus.

02:26:58.980 And if you don't think he's great, I probably won't want him on my team either

02:27:02.380 because I don't want that to be the focus of what everyone's talking about.

02:27:05.300 Well, now we'll see, right?

02:27:06.540 Yeah, now the rubber will meet the road.

02:27:08.400 I think he's going to be great, so we'll see.

02:27:09.760 Are the Browns any good?

02:27:10.660 My friend's a diehard Browns fan.

02:27:12.320 He's always complaining about how bad they are.

02:27:14.080 Worst franchise, arguably, in sports.

02:27:16.000 Oh, gosh.

02:27:16.820 So he's not going to be happy about this.

02:27:18.200 Well, who knows?

02:27:18.960 He could be the guy.

02:27:19.500 Maybe he's the future.

02:27:20.080 But they have the weirdest QB room.

02:27:21.580 I'm getting deep.

02:27:22.220 But they have Deshaun Watson, the guy who had like 9,000 illegal massages.

02:27:26.640 They paid him a ton of money.

02:27:28.560 They drafted another quarterback before.

02:27:30.200 They have a wild QB room.

02:27:31.600 Wild.

02:27:32.120 Very Cleveland.

02:27:33.600 That's fascinating.

02:27:34.800 That's more for your next appearance. 1.00

02:27:36.920 QB room with multiple massages. 0.98

02:27:38.800 Okay.

02:27:39.320 Very different from our job.

02:27:40.820 Stand by.

02:27:41.500 More with Dave right after this.

02:27:43.980 We've covered ground.

02:27:45.060 That's more in my wheelhouse.

02:27:46.500 And we've covered ground.

02:27:47.420 That's more in Dave's wheelhouse.

02:27:48.820 And we finish on a note of solidarity that we both have strong feelings on.

02:27:52.700 And that is Meghan Markle.

02:27:54.600 Yeah.

02:27:54.860 So she has done the world premiere episode of actually being on someone else's podcast.

02:28:02.840 And the someone else is, her name is Jamie Kern Lima.

02:28:08.740 Now, I have actually interviewed this person, but I didn't realize I had interviewed this

02:28:12.040 person because she founded IT Cosmetics, which I remember interviewing her at NBC.

02:28:17.920 I think it's the same lady.

02:28:18.880 I could be wrong. 0.94

02:28:19.720 She looks a little different.

02:28:20.500 But anyway, she was a news anchor, and she realized that you have a need for, like, cosmetics that are a little bit thicker because of the Klieg lights and all that.

02:28:28.840 And her brand became a billion-dollar brand, and she sold it to L'Oreal for $1.2 billion in 2016.

02:28:33.680 All for news anchor makeup?

02:28:35.560 Yeah.

02:28:36.240 No one offered me makeup at all here.

02:28:38.100 It's good stuff.

02:28:39.200 We sold you down the river.

02:28:40.800 So she now has a podcast and is also apparently friends with Megan.

02:28:44.120 And in the world premiere of podcast, Megan, Duchess of Sussex, she pulled out all the stops.

02:28:53.200 Here is the intro of the episode.

02:28:56.640 Look at this.

02:28:57.940 Megan, Duchess of Sussex in her first ever podcast interview.

02:29:05.020 It's happening.

02:29:07.140 It's not about the grandeur of a gesture.

02:29:10.540 It's about I see you.

02:29:11.800 I'm nurturing you, and I see you so deeply, and I love being able to see your growth.

02:29:18.760 Of all things, it's been making me emotional.

02:29:21.140 I have full body chills right now.

02:29:23.740 For them to be able to look back and go, oh my gosh, she has loved us so much.

02:29:34.600 She's an American member of the British Whale family, an entrepreneur, author, actor,

02:29:40.200 founder of the lifestyle brand as ever that just sold out of stock completely in the first hour of

02:29:47.360 its recent launch into the world she's also a mom to her two beautiful kids prince archie and

02:29:52.300 princess lilibet and wife to husband prince harry duke of sussex oh my god why don't you like her

02:30:00.940 i just threw up a little in my mouth what let me count the ways there's nothing i like about her 1.00

02:30:06.000 do you know her no but she is a malignant narcissist who cannot get enough of herself 1.00

02:30:11.660 while she simultaneously plays the victim my castle is too small the queen is mean to me 0.92

02:30:18.060 they won't let me call myself her royal highness anymore but i'm gonna put it all over my stationery

02:30:22.740 and on the gifts that i give to my friends while she never stops whining and at the same time i'm 0.99

02:30:28.600 getting all worked up she that business i'm a founder i'm over it she's not important she married 1.00

02:30:34.140 for money it's very clear she bagged the elephant she was thrilled she became a quote princess well

02:30:38.980 you can it was planned from the beginning she denied being interested in the royal family which

02:30:44.640 she totally was i know someone who knows the ex-husband who said she had a vision board with

02:30:49.420 prince harry on it before they met yes and she wants to that's impressive you got to admit that

02:30:54.620 is impressive she nailed it yeah because a lot of people probably did that it was like shooting

02:30:58.740 fish in a barrel with all that self-help talk he had he was no match for her so i as we unpack

02:31:06.560 like an onion some of the things i'm interested i actually like the royal family i think it's cool

02:31:10.740 so that's another thing she killed the queen she did kill the queen my opinion i i don't i agree

02:31:18.480 with you i can't have someone marry into the royal family and be like woe is me of all these

02:31:25.960 attention or whatever you're getting from me it's no no kidding it's the royal family i can't

02:31:31.000 believe i'm not getting paid yeah all this stuff and then they didn't they renounce their royalty

02:31:35.060 but they still want the royalty so it is hypocritical to get into that situation then

02:31:40.300 want nothing to do with it but you do want anything to do with it i don't have as strong

02:31:43.420 feelings as you do for her i don't care for her i wouldn't put her in a hate category of mine

02:31:51.700 And I don't like her.

02:31:52.860 I didn't see that interview.

02:31:54.280 But, yeah, I'm a Royals guy.

02:31:56.360 So I like the Royals.

02:31:57.520 I think it's kind of cool, the history, the pageantry.

02:32:00.220 And to just come in and kind of blow it up and then cry.

02:32:03.080 It's like, whoa, whoa, it's me. 0.99

02:32:03.860 And she's a bully.

02:32:05.120 I mean, the reports were uniformly from inside the castle that all the young women in particular who worked for her quit in tears. 1.00

02:32:11.680 She so wore them down and was so nasty. 0.99

02:32:14.060 Then when she started her own company, similar reports coming out from Montecito about how no one can work for her. 1.00

02:32:19.740 She's a nightmare behind the scenes. 0.99

02:32:21.200 and not toward the betterment of her staff 1.00

02:32:23.220 just because she's an insecure person 1.00

02:32:25.080 who takes it out on other people.

02:32:27.200 What was up with the no makeup?

02:32:28.300 That had to be an intentional move.

02:32:29.700 That's another thing.

02:32:30.200 Maureen was saying this on her.

02:32:31.260 Maureen Callahan has a new podcast 0.98

02:32:32.480 for part of our network. 1.00

02:32:33.880 With the makeup lady.

02:32:34.920 Yeah, exactly right. 1.00

02:32:36.280 And it's bullshit. 0.99

02:32:37.160 So first of all, she had the hair blown out. 1.00

02:32:38.900 It was perfect.

02:32:39.740 I do not believe that she was makeup-free there. 0.95

02:32:41.620 She didn't have eye makeup on,

02:32:43.040 which is a different thing.

02:32:44.460 But that's her being relatable, Dave.

02:32:46.160 Yeah, right.

02:32:46.580 She's relatable, you see. 0.98

02:32:47.020 The intentional relatable. 0.64

02:32:48.300 Yeah.

02:32:49.180 So here she is talking about the joy.

02:32:52.840 Is she on like your top 10 hate list?

02:32:54.580 Oh, yeah. 0.96

02:32:55.340 She's top five.

02:32:56.860 All right.

02:32:57.180 The joy of working hard.

02:33:00.560 I'm sure she's really toiling away.

02:33:02.740 Take a listen.

02:33:03.780 But to the world, it's just what has she been doing?

02:33:07.780 Does she work?

02:33:09.320 As opposed to, oh, my gosh, I work so hard.

02:33:12.260 And I appreciate what hard work looks like.

02:33:16.280 I like working hard.

02:33:18.520 Um, and I'm still working hard, right?

02:33:21.600 The moment that everything sells out, it doesn't mean that we're done.

02:33:24.720 Yeah.

02:33:25.200 It means we're working on replenishment and what are the next SKUs and what's the next

02:33:27.580 tranche of products and what's the timing on that and writing the newsletters and writing

02:33:30.880 the social media captions and making sure that all that feels in line and what's the

02:33:34.220 cadence of it and what's the photography that we want to do and what do I want to wear for

02:33:37.880 those shoots while also editing all the time-coded notes for season two of The Other Lady is

02:33:43.880 a little scary to me with a smile.

02:33:47.100 and being a mom and a wife and a friend oh yeah yeah those are all jobs i mean i love being that

02:33:55.680 busy but i do think it's really interesting when people have no sense of what goes into the thing

02:34:00.040 yeah and then when the thing seems like between two ferns almost the way she's hosting it the

02:34:05.120 thing's not done right the finish line was really the starting line okay we get it yes go

02:34:11.760 that that that would infuriate me like as someone who's trying to start a business struggling

02:34:17.860 because like you can't fail like you're you're if you're selling i don't know what she's selling

02:34:22.920 candles i don't know what she's selling jam jam like you're you're in the royal family

02:34:28.200 so to this head start that you have and then complain about working hard it's like

02:34:32.380 you're in the royal family so to complain about oh the business you don't have to if you don't

02:34:38.060 want to show up if you don't want to do the schedule you don't have to do anything you

02:34:40.700 don't want to do right you're living in a fan literally like a fantasy tale of but i the other

02:34:46.100 the host what's happening with her you actually didn't if people didn't know who was who i think

02:34:52.960 people be focusing on the host and the expression yeah yeah it was between two ferns yeah so yeah

02:34:59.380 i don't know i don't hate her as much as you but it's really it's like a love to hate situation i

02:35:04.240 don't have actual hatred for her i have that for very few people it's a small list but she's not

02:35:09.620 on it. But I just can't stand her. I just think she's such a phony. I love to make fun of her 0.94

02:35:14.140 because she continues to give me so much material. She comes across as a phony in that. 1.00

02:35:18.120 I've got to show you one more on that. Okay. Look, this is a short one. SOT 29. Look at this 0.84

02:35:23.000 ridiculousness. Your close friends and family, so many of them call you M and Harry H. Yes. 0.89

02:35:31.940 How did that start? And tell me about that. Probably at the beginning of us dating.

02:35:38.080 when everything was in code code yeah right people didn't know we were dating for yeah she's

02:35:44.300 so long ago i mean it'll be our seven-year wedding anniversary soon i couldn't say tell

02:35:51.480 anyone who i was dating and he was keeping so i think we were just on a letter basis yeah and

02:35:57.100 then um it stuck it stuck it stuck it was their code their super stealthy code m and h like like

02:36:08.060 when i call doug bug it's ridiculous that's like choosing your alias as a famous person

02:36:16.080 and it's john smith like will that podcast have like crazy numbers because she's on it like does

02:36:21.600 she move the needle like that i have no idea but if if it does it's going to be at least two-thirds

02:36:26.420 hate listeners like yeah i mean i but i actually again i think it'll be overshadowed by the

02:36:31.340 interviewer who is looks like on outer outer space yes and so bizarre with a weird blush

02:36:37.300 and the makeup to no makeup so speaking of podcast success do you have any advice for me

02:36:41.900 you you've grown this yours is killing it right well i only have two in the mk podcast network

02:36:46.640 so far oh you're getting you're talking adding yeah adding like a network like you know you

02:36:51.100 have a network at barstool yeah so do you well are you focused on news yes news culture you know

02:36:59.000 everything related to news yeah i don't know it's not sports so we've always just looked for

02:37:05.340 different things like that that try to find something talented people and find things that

02:37:11.440 i haven't seen necessarily before so like call her daddy which i'm surprised i don't see the

02:37:16.620 big signs around here yeah you found that yeah she went on to become extremely and i hadn't seen

02:37:21.380 anything like that like it wasn't my cup of tea but it was like oh this is different and we've

02:37:25.080 been very successful for that but it it's trying to get out of i guess a network sense it's like

02:37:29.940 and i'm sure it would be similar with you if i see something and it catches me for more than a

02:37:34.980 minute or two it's like i'm interested in this that's a good start we've certainly been wrong

02:37:39.380 a lot it's a band label for us kind of like a band label sign a bunch of little bands hopefully one

02:37:44.800 or two hit and that kind of is the model and how how long do you wait until you you know cut bait

02:37:50.360 or declare them as we sign them for contracts so it's generally like two to three years so like a

02:37:55.200 band label and not different from band label once they become successful they're very difficult to

02:38:00.460 deal with like then they want the money they see what's going on and so the talent business

02:38:05.440 stinks yeah because once the talent becomes big they don't need you anymore and they may be under

02:38:10.980 contract but it you gotta they generally if they if we can't resign them they leave and we built a

02:38:17.400 lot of very rich superstars in this digital age from Alex Cooper Pat McAfee a lot of people make

02:38:23.420 a lot of money and then we just got to refill the pipeline and find the next and it never ends and

02:38:27.660 that sucks i feel like you know i i have good people i have faith in them we have a good

02:38:32.300 relationship but famous last words i i take your point so i mean the your company now is huge right 0.89

02:38:37.980 i mean you i read that in like 2002 you were filing for bankruptcy and now you're talking

02:38:43.520 about the trump tariffs costing you like 20 million dollars that's just what was what it

02:38:47.000 cost you yeah so you're obviously hugely successful yeah we've done well that bankruptcy thing by the

02:38:51.780 way it was a new york times hit piece i did but it was like my dad told me in college and i hate

02:38:56.520 the new york times anyhow that wasn't a business thing so yeah that we sold uh barstool in 2016

02:39:03.300 15 of it for uh about 12 million was the valuation then we sold it again for 600 million was the

02:39:10.620 valuation and then i got it back for a dollar so now i have the whole thing again that was so crazy

02:39:15.420 yeah so it's been a wild ride so what like now you have all this money do you live differently

02:39:20.820 are you different i don't think i'm different i certainly live differently things that i've

02:39:25.500 always been interested in like horse racing kentucky derbies this weekend i love horses

02:39:30.060 love so i would go to the track growing up and now instead of being you know in in the bleacher

02:39:36.380 section or with the riffraff betting two bucks i can afford to own the horses so things like that

02:39:41.200 have changed but it's still my core interest i don't think i've changed i i guess you'd i mean

02:39:47.100 a positive thing about barstool a lot of the people who started with me are still there so

02:39:51.680 So, you know, that's your ride or dies.

02:39:53.720 Yeah, ride or dies.

02:39:54.660 Or we just treat our employees like well.

02:39:57.620 And I don't think anybody would ever say about me. 0.99

02:40:01.320 They may be like, he's a jerk or he's blunt, but nobody would be like, he's dishonest. 0.97

02:40:04.700 I'm pretty straight in all my dealings with people. 0.99

02:40:06.600 And that's helped get us.

02:40:07.840 I mean, we've been around now over 20 years.

02:40:09.360 So that's helped.

02:40:10.340 Well, I find it entertaining.

02:40:12.400 I go over there, not really for sports, but when commentary comes into the news world.

02:40:15.860 Political.

02:40:16.560 I love it.

02:40:17.160 I love how frank it is.

02:40:18.260 You go viral.

02:40:18.560 I mean, I try not to because whatever you get in politics, people – and both the right and left.

02:40:25.680 If I – like I criticized Trump the other day because his line about the stock market is not his stock.

02:40:31.560 It is.

02:40:32.240 Like you have affected the stock market because of tariffs.

02:40:35.700 End of story.

02:40:36.760 It's – you can't say it's not.

02:40:38.880 Like you can't blame that on Biden.

02:40:41.440 It's yours.

02:40:42.680 By the tariffs, it's yours.

02:40:44.760 And if I say that, suddenly all the people who like me on the right hate me.

02:40:48.040 They're like, oh, yeah, but it's like I have to call out how I see it.

02:40:51.020 You're saying how you actually feel, which is – that's the name of this game.

02:40:54.320 That's for sure. 0.82

02:40:55.320 By the way, my team tells me that this YouTube show for this Jamie lady,

02:40:58.680 this squeaky-voiced makeup lady, is – they're at 251,000 views after three days,

02:41:04.660 which is terrible. 1.00

02:41:05.700 Yeah, for her. 0.93

02:41:06.520 Absolutely terrible for having the Duchess of Sussex.

02:41:08.720 For having the Duchess.

02:41:09.720 I thought you were going to say like 250 million.

02:41:11.940 No.

02:41:12.440 Or like at least 2.5 million.

02:41:14.140 No one has any interest in actually hearing her talk about how hard her life is or how hard she's working or her secret code for H&M.

02:41:23.460 Whomever could they mean?

02:41:25.340 Who's going to crack this?

02:41:26.740 It literally looked like a spoof, like an SNL spoof.

02:41:28.620 Dave Portnoy, great to have you.

02:41:30.460 Thanks for being here.

02:41:31.440 Yeah, hope to see you again.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 31, 2026

Matthew McConaughey and Dave Portnoy - Megyn Kelly's ＂Double Feature＂ of Fascinating Interviews

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