The Megyn Kelly Show - McConnell's Alarming Freeze, Biden's Decline, and Elites Saying We'll ＂Own Nothing,＂ with Glenn Greenwald and Carol Roth ｜ Ep. 619

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday.

00:00:16.880 NPR finally takes notice of President Biden suddenly and now routinely taking the short staircase up to Air Force One.

00:00:23.980 Hello. It's been happening for months.

00:00:25.860 This Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell disturbingly freezes up again for some 30 seconds on camera.

00:00:34.180 And now two prominent TV doctors begin to weigh in on what might be happening to him.

00:00:39.760 Joining me now, Glenn Greenwald. Glenn is the host of Rumble's System Update.

00:00:44.240 Glenn, great to have you. The McConnell tape is disturbing.

00:00:48.320 And I have to say, I know he's controversial even within Republican circles because Trump doesn't like him.

00:00:54.220 I think this is a man who's served the country very honorably for his term.

00:00:58.160 And he has done more for Republican politics than most in the GOP, including when it comes most especially to judges.

00:01:05.020 So I take no pleasure in in any of this.

00:01:07.720 But the fact is, he doesn't seem well enough to be a sitting U.S. senator anymore.

00:01:12.200 He just doesn't. And, you know, if we're going to call out the John Fettermans and the Dianne Feinsteins of the world,

00:01:16.800 we're derelict if we don't do it to the Mitch McConnell's of the world.

00:01:21.180 He's not being open about what's happening to him.

00:01:23.500 It's very clearly something for those who missed it.

00:01:26.220 I think we've got the tape of him yesterday speaking and then pausing.

00:01:30.660 And here's what happened.

00:01:32.800 What am I talking about? What? Running for re-election in 2026.

00:01:37.460 Did you hear the question, Senator, running for re-election in 2026?

00:01:53.920 All right. I'm sorry, you all. We're going to need a minute.

00:01:56.920 Senator.

00:01:58.160 Penny.

00:01:58.380 Yep.

00:02:07.460 Somebody else have a question. Please speak up.

00:02:20.180 OK, just a couple of points.

00:02:21.980 Number one, God bless that aide who was very professional, had his back, was navigating a tricky situation, and she never let us see her sweat.

00:02:32.380 Number two, for the listening audience, I mean, he just froze sort of in the way.

00:02:35.580 You ever had a situation where, like, your eyes get into a stare and they kind of fixate on an object and you're kind of off in space for a second?

00:02:42.880 That's how he looked. He clearly was no longer connected to the audience in front of him.

00:02:46.320 And my third point, Glenn, is amazingly, though he did go back to the audience after this, the first two questions, they didn't ask anything about this.

00:02:54.340 What happened to you, Mr. Minority Leader? What just happened?

00:02:58.860 And he isn't really offering an explanation, though, Sanjay Gupta and Mark Siegel, doctors on CNN and Fox, are both speculating that looks like a Parkinson's episode.

00:03:09.480 So what do you make of it?

00:03:10.600 Yeah, I think we had to remember this is the second episode like this that he has had.

00:03:16.140 I think the last one was maybe six or eight weeks ago.

00:03:18.620 Very similar, where he just froze, was obviously disconnected.

00:03:22.220 I'm not really comfortable with, certainly I'm not comfortable speculating.

00:03:25.340 I'm not really comfortable with doctors who haven't examined somebody speculating either.

00:03:29.060 I think it's a little bit irresponsible, but I guess it's informative in some way.

00:03:32.620 I think it's always a tricky and delicate issue because, first and foremost, I hope we are all human beings.

00:03:38.780 We all have had grandparents or parents who have faced the infirmities of old age, and this is something we're likely to face ourselves, every person, every person we love.

00:03:50.380 And so you want to be very kind of understanding and empathetic about it just for being human.

00:03:55.360 On the other hand, this is not just some ordinary citizen trying to work into his life, into the end of his life, because he enjoys it.

00:04:02.740 This is somebody with a great deal of power and responsibility, and therefore it is a concern of public matter, much more so than it would be for a private citizen.

00:04:11.380 When we have people like Dianne Feinstein, like Joe Biden, like Mitch McConnell, there are others, too, who are clearly staying in power longer than their capabilities and physical conditions permit.

00:04:22.920 And there is a term for this, Megan, called gerontocracy, which is something we used to criticize the Soviet Union in the 1970s very harshly for being governed by in the age of like Leonid Brezhnev and all the Soviet leaders were in their mid to late 70s.

00:04:36.440 There were all kinds of valid critiques, if you go back and read those, about why governments and citizenships are very poorly served when people just cling to power for as long as they can, well past the time their capabilities permit.

00:04:48.880 And I think that clearly is the case with Mitch McConnell, Dianne Feinstein, Joe Biden and others.

00:04:53.140 And I think it's starting to become a big problem for the United States.

00:04:56.960 Yes, it's I mean, we don't want to kick any of these people out.

00:05:00.700 We don't want to kick them out.

00:05:01.820 We want them to go gracefully into the sunset with our thanks, our salute.

00:05:07.000 I say the same about Dianne Feinstein.

00:05:08.980 You know, I don't share her politics, but I respect her.

00:05:11.820 I respect her service.

00:05:12.920 I she's had some fierce moments that have been fun to celebrate over the years.

00:05:16.940 Just don't make us see you like this.

00:05:18.960 Don't make don't make us watch you deteriorate to the point of incapacity while you're a sitting U.S. senator to where we have to fire you.

00:05:26.100 We have to boot you out with an indignant flair. 0.99

00:05:29.900 You know, I mean, that's what's happening.

00:05:31.560 And I do wonder, I mean, look, I I think it's a fair question.

00:05:37.780 Where is Jill Biden? 1.00

00:05:39.320 Where's Elaine Chow? 1.00

00:05:40.680 Where's Dianne Feinstein's partner? 0.98

00:05:43.460 I don't know.

00:05:44.060 Like the family, let's say, Miss Giselle Fetterman.

00:05:47.700 Where are they?

00:05:48.500 Because I know, God forbid this ever happened to me.

00:05:51.180 My husband would say, honey, you're the bomb.

00:05:54.060 But it's going to be super fun for us to travel the Grand Canyon and the great parks of the United States together at this point in your career.

00:06:02.580 Right. This is what we're going to do.

00:06:04.080 It's going to be the fun next phase of life for us.

00:06:06.040 And maybe it's time to step away from the lectern in the U.S. Senate or the microphone in the case of somebody like me.

00:06:12.380 Right. Where are they?

00:06:15.440 Yeah. You know, look, I actually just had this personal choice, this problem, you know, this kind of dilemma myself.

00:06:20.920 And as you know, my husband was hospitalized in the ICU.

00:06:23.140 He was a member of Congress, the Brazilian Congress.

00:06:25.040 He was running for reelection, which was the choice that he had made.

00:06:27.940 And we had to make the decision as a family without him because he wasn't capable of participating at that time, whether to withdraw his candidacy.

00:06:35.920 And we decided that we should, because even if he recovered, we thought he probably wasn't going to be able to do the job the way he would want to, the way the people who voted for him deserved.

00:06:43.720 And it wasn't an easy decision because, you know, it's the person's career talking about their kind of life, work, their purpose.

00:06:51.600 But at some point, you have to realize that, especially if you're holding that kind of public power, you do have a responsibility.

00:06:57.280 It's not kind of just a theory or a cliche like you do have an obligation to other people to relinquish that power, no matter how much you want to hold on to it.

00:07:07.040 If you're not capable of exercising it responsibly for whatever reasons, in this case, we're talking about health problems or old age.

00:07:13.700 I do think we want to make sure that we don't just start throwing people away because they're over 80 or 85 or some arbitrary age.

00:07:19.960 Like if someone's in their 80s and still capable of doing their job, I mean, look at Bernie Sanders is just one example.

00:07:25.900 He seems a very energetic, very engaged.

00:07:28.720 So many people.

00:07:29.420 Dershowitz is about to turn 85.

00:07:30.960 He's like more on fire with more energy than we have.

00:07:35.240 Exactly.

00:07:35.800 I look at a lot of these people with some envy.

00:07:37.860 Exactly.

00:07:38.300 That they seem to have more energy than oftentimes I'm capable of mustering.

00:07:41.700 But the reality is that with old age, it's just a scientific fact that we're all going to face infirmities start emerging.

00:07:49.620 Cognitive decline is very real without even Alzheimer's or anything else.

00:07:53.120 And when it becomes visible like this, it's incredibly sad.

00:07:56.540 It's uncomfortable.

00:07:57.280 It's embarrassing.

00:07:58.020 And I do think there's a responsibility, even if they're not capable, as you said, for their family members to step in and intervene.

00:08:04.980 And I think that one of the reasons they don't is because a lot of times the people in those families are prioritizing their own interest and their own ego and their own sense of self that comes from these titles and these positions above the interest of anybody else.

00:08:19.600 And that's what makes it kind of enraging at the end of the day.

00:08:23.740 Yeah.

00:08:24.300 Oh, yeah.

00:08:24.660 I mean, the odds of Dr. Jill Biden giving up her status as first lady voluntarily.

00:08:29.000 Or Giselle Fetterman, as you said.

00:08:31.140 Giselle Fetterman saying, you know what?

00:08:32.680 I don't actually want to be the wife of a senator anymore.

00:08:34.980 So in the interest of the people of Pennsylvania, we're going to go ahead and resign.

00:08:39.460 Or Hunter Biden voluntarily, you know, pushing the dad to step away from from power.

00:08:45.660 So now we've got a very aged 80 year old president.

00:08:50.720 And you're right to point out there's a difference between various 80 year olds.

00:08:54.100 You know, there's a guy across the street from me here in the Jersey Shore.

00:08:58.260 He I met him last summer.

00:08:59.300 Ninety one.

00:09:00.340 He was so vibrant.

00:09:02.040 He was fit.

00:09:03.100 He looked great.

00:09:04.200 I never did get his secret out of him, but I'm just saying there's a difference, right?

00:09:08.120 You could be ninety one and like that.

00:09:09.360 You could be 80 like Biden.

00:09:11.100 And now NPR is just finally noticing that this president is an aged 80.

00:09:16.300 He's an infirm 80 finally deciding it's OK to report on how he's using the short stares to get on Air Force One,

00:09:23.680 something that has been in at least the conservative press now for months.

00:09:27.680 If you were paying attention at all, you notice that they shifted his entry on board the plane and his departure.

00:09:34.200 To the middle of the plane and their shorter stairs as opposed to the long stairs because he continues to fall up them.

00:09:40.000 And of course, the article is complete with quotes from people like David Axelrod saying the voters date.

00:09:45.640 They don't care.

00:09:46.960 You don't measure presidents by their ability to navigate steps.

00:09:50.080 You elect presidents based on their ability to navigate problems.

00:09:53.760 To me, I read this and all I can think is he just doesn't want Obama to stop being the secret president.

00:09:58.640 He's like, just keep him right.

00:10:00.780 Just keep him in there.

00:10:01.540 I mean, the thing about it is, you know, there's some areas and topics that require expertise and people feel intimidated by if they don't have that expertise.

00:10:10.840 If you talk about medicine or law or, you know, any number of fields that require actual expertise to participate fully.

00:10:17.220 But people are very capable of seeing when somebody else is impaired, because, as I said, it's a very common thing that we all deal with in our lives and our families and our friends and everywhere else.

00:10:26.640 And people could see with their own eyes that Joe Biden is a completely different person than he was even five years ago, let alone 10 years ago and 20 years ago.

00:10:35.760 And he's a very impaired person in a way that an older person becomes very slow down, very kind of just often lost and incapable of navigating themselves physically and mentally.

00:10:49.700 It is not just physical impairment.

00:10:51.060 It is mental impairment.

00:10:52.620 I always go back to the fact, Megan, you can go and watch some amazing clips from MSNBC in particular.

00:10:57.400 In 2018 and 2019, Democratic insiders, those kind of strategist types that go on cable, were very concerned that Joe Biden was going to get the nomination, primarily due to the fact that he was the most known figure for serving at Obama's side for all those years.

00:11:12.820 And that he's been around forever because they were saying he's he's incognitive decline.

00:11:17.640 He is not capable of withstanding the rigors of a campaign, let alone the presidency.

00:11:21.900 These were Democratic insiders saying that.

00:11:23.860 And of course, once Biden got the nomination, it became prohibited to say it any longer.

00:11:27.760 It was immoral and cruel or whatever.

00:11:29.640 But they were the ones saying it first.

00:11:31.180 And that was five years, 2018.

00:11:33.520 And you can see the difference visibly just in these four to five years.

00:11:38.040 So if they think they're going to hide this from voters, polls already showed this widespread concern.

00:11:43.320 It's not something you need to expertise to detect.

00:11:45.940 It's extremely visible.

00:11:47.220 There's no lying your way around it.

00:11:48.680 And I think Democrats are in a gigantic amount of denial about the problem this is going to present to them.

00:11:53.380 I really do.

00:11:54.360 Oh, they think this is going to pass.

00:11:56.200 This is going to appease us.

00:11:57.140 Listen to Kareem Jean-Pierre talking about this to CNN the other day.

00:12:00.380 It is hard for us to keep up with this president who is constantly, constantly working every day to get things done and making sure that we are delivering for the American people.

00:12:12.700 And that's what and I think that's what matters.

00:12:14.740 I get it.

00:12:15.500 I get what you're asking me.

00:12:16.880 But the record matters to Jake.

00:12:18.340 Cognitively, it may actually be hard for Kareem Jean-Pierre to keep up with Joe Biden.

00:12:23.580 I mean, I'm not going to doubt her on that.

00:12:24.700 She's not a smart person.

00:12:26.260 Sorry, she's not.

00:12:27.600 But this is a lie that all the aides keep planting in all the magazine articles and the newspaper articles about how they can barely keep up with him.

00:12:34.680 Glenn, we know it's a lie.

00:12:35.980 I think one of the reasons why this is such a danger for Democrats is because this is something I think people feel confident in their own abilities.

00:12:46.920 They don't need to be told what to think about this.

00:12:49.520 This is something people feel very comfortable in assessing for themselves.

00:12:52.300 And I think what this is, it's not just ineffective, it's like an aggressive insult to people's intelligence to try and tell them to believe something that with their own eyes they know is a lie.

00:13:02.520 And it's a gaslight.

00:13:03.240 It's a disrespectful, classic gaslight.

00:13:06.280 And it's also disrespectful because they're essentially saying, we know that you can see this person is not capable of running this country, but we're going to continue to insist that he stay in power anyway.

00:13:19.620 It's the ultimate entitlement syndrome.

00:13:21.600 Even if people aren't wondering yet who's really behind Joe Biden, who the real president is, which I think is going to start becoming the question.

00:13:28.180 I just think it seems very disrespectful to Americans to tell them that this person is just somehow divinely entitled to remain in power, even though everyone can see with their own eyes that he's not capable of doing the job.

00:13:41.080 Yes, that's so well put.

00:13:42.480 That's exactly how I'm feeling there because they're not honest about it.

00:13:45.460 In the same way, I have to say McConnell's office is clearly not being honest about whatever medical issue he is struggling with.

00:13:50.620 And we have a right to know.

00:13:52.280 We have a right to know because these people have very important positions.

00:13:55.160 Now you have Biden after, you know, 10 days of terrible coverage since last Monday when he went finally to Maui and stepped all over himself and referenced his house fire from years ago that he exaggerated and lied about.

00:14:10.180 It talked about how his Corvette almost got damaged and maybe he almost lost a cat.

00:14:15.540 I mean, you know, we've gone over the numbers.

00:14:18.120 He does it again.

00:14:19.520 He talked about it again from the White House yesterday.

00:14:23.680 Listen here.

00:14:24.120 I didn't know anything like that, but I lightly struck my house.

00:14:29.400 We had to be out of that house for about seven months.

00:14:31.920 I was repaired because so much damage was done to the house and half the house almost collapsed.

00:14:37.780 Oh, my God.

00:14:39.140 Stop doing that.

00:14:40.140 There's no way they haven't told him to stop doing that, but he can't remember.

00:14:43.140 No, this is the thing, Megan.

00:14:46.580 I mean, I think this is the other danger for Democrats.

00:14:49.080 Whatever else you want to say about Joe Biden, I've never obviously been a fan of Joe Biden, his ideology, his politics, quite the contrary.

00:14:56.600 He has always had a certain kind of political talent.

00:15:00.400 Like, there's no denying that.

00:15:01.420 He has the sort of ability to relate to people in a way that just makes them seem like an ordinary person, even though he's been in Washington since the age of 29 in the U.S. Senate and has had anything but an ordinary life.

00:15:13.700 He has that kind of, like, innate political skill.

00:15:16.860 And it isn't just his cognitive abilities and his physical resilience that are rapidly disappearing before our own eyes.

00:15:23.200 It's also that ability to connect to other people and to make them seem like he understands.

00:15:27.160 And that, I mean, that fire in Maui is horrific.

00:15:31.880 You're talking about over a thousand children dead.

00:15:35.840 You know, people's homes destroyed, their lives irrevocably wrecked.

00:15:40.280 And for him to go in front of a camera after being very distant from this entire disaster, saying no comment that time at the beach and then claiming he didn't hear their question,

00:15:48.880 and trying to imply that he has had a similar sort of disaster in his own life because there was, like, a garage spark one time that almost burned down his car or something.

00:16:01.540 It's just a kind of, like, tone deaf, you know, just, like, political disaster that I think you're going to be seeing more and more of because it's part of this decline.

00:16:10.360 There was a Babylon Bee post the other day, the headline of which was, Biden comforts hurricane victims, meaning in Florida, by talking about time, the urinal splashed back at him a little.

00:16:21.400 I mean, you know, he does.

00:16:26.020 He always has had this propensity to just, like, pathologically lie.

00:16:30.520 I think people have forgotten he had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 when he got caught lying about, like, the smallest things, like his grades and, you know, where he finished in school.

00:16:40.840 He is a pathological liar.

00:16:42.860 He has gotten caught lying and inventing, like, major stories about Nelson Mandela and his role in the civil rights movement and then much smaller things as well.

00:16:50.420 So it is part of his character.

00:16:52.440 But he, if you're going to be a liar in public, you have to be skillful about it.

00:16:57.560 And he's losing that skill completely as well.

00:16:59.980 It's like he's now just a bad liar on top of it.

00:17:03.060 He's always been a fairly good liar.

00:17:05.600 And I think, again, you look at this polling data and it is true that a majority of Americans don't want to vote Biden-Trump race.

00:17:12.020 That is true.

00:17:12.660 But ultimately, I think the fact that Trump still seems perfectly vibrant and obviously very mentally present, you know, to say nothing of other Republican candidates, and then you compare them to Joe Biden, for a lot of people, ideology and party does not rule their lives.

00:17:28.600 They want somebody they believe is going to do a job that will improve their lives.

00:17:32.580 And if they feel like somebody is basically, like, crippled mentally and physically or exhausted or whatever, I think that's going to make a difference for a lot of people.

00:17:40.580 OK, but now, meanwhile, elsewhere in the Democratic field, things are getting interesting.

00:17:46.200 There's like a little smoke coming up in the ranks and the Dems.

00:17:50.180 And I'm not speaking about RFKJ or Marianne Williamson, Bernie Sanders and Cornel West.

00:17:56.720 What do you make of, well, get the audience up to speed on what they've been doing and why they've become a little bit more interesting as we look forward to 2024, even though we're assured, we're assured Biden's running for a second term.

00:18:07.560 Well, first of all, Cornel West is just one of the more interesting people in our cultural life.

00:18:15.300 He's incredibly well spoken.

00:18:17.020 He's a learned person.

00:18:18.660 He's been in academic institutions.

00:18:20.240 I think he's extremely smart.

00:18:21.520 I've talked to him a lot.

00:18:22.920 I really believe that he's been very widely respected his whole life.

00:18:27.760 He wrote a book called Race Matters in the 1990s.

00:18:29.800 That's considered by a lot of people one of the most profound intellectual works on race.

00:18:33.600 And aside from that, he was a very close friend of Bernie Sanders.

00:18:39.420 He was a vigorous supporter of the Sanders campaign, both in 2016 and 2020, when Bernie ran for president.

00:18:44.880 Cornel West has always been a left-wing critic of the Democratic Party.

00:18:47.680 He's never liked the Democratic Party, but he's kind of maintained like one foot inside of it, the way Bernie used to pretend to do.

00:18:53.580 Now Cornel West thinks both parties are equally terrible, that he can't support either, and he's running as a third-party candidate with the Green Party, the way Jill Stein did in 2016.

00:19:04.280 And one major problem for the Democrats is that he is a very respected Black intellectual, very popular among a lot of Black voters, on whom Democrats rely in every election to win.

00:19:18.240 But he's also somebody I think people are going to start to see who has this ability to speak to working-class people in a way that makes them feel like they're not hearing stale left-wing dogma.

00:19:29.820 He's exciting. He's charismatic. He's funny. He's very human. He produces music. He sings. He'll break into song in the middle of interviews like he did when I had him on my show.

00:19:39.640 And I think he poses a huge threat to the Democratic Party because even if you take 2% or 3% from Joe Biden, that obviously can make a difference in the way our elections are run.

00:19:47.960 And the amazing thing is, Megan, that Bernie Sanders' entire life has prided himself on his independence from the Democratic Party.

00:19:53.880 Literally, he's never been a member of the Democratic Party. Even now, he's an independent senator.

00:19:57.900 He doesn't belong to either party, technically, even though he caucuses with the Democrats.

00:20:02.740 So for them to send out, of all people, Bernie Sanders, to attack Cornel West, and for Bernie to be willing to do it, to attack his good friend, someone who supported him for many years, shows that there is no more internal dissent within the Democratic Party.

00:20:21.380 I was in Milwaukee. Everybody who watched that debate saw the incredibly intense ideological and political conflicts the Republican Party has internally, which I think is very healthy.

00:20:30.220 Democrats are in total lockstep, including the parts of the party that pretended for a long time to be defiant and rebellious.

00:20:37.400 Bernie's catchphrase in 2016 was, our revolution. The revolutionary, the radical revolutionary is now Joe Biden's chief party enforcer, to the point of being willing publicly to exploit his old fake persona to attack Cornel West.

00:20:52.140 And I don't know. I think that's going to alienate a lot of people more than it's going to persuade, though.

00:20:56.080 Hmm. So interesting to hear you explain that. OK, so here's here's a bit of Cornel West going on Charlemagne's show, The Breakfast Club, on August 7th, talking about Bernie Sanders. Take a listen here.

00:21:07.560 I love the brother. And, you know, you even in love, people have deep disagreements about these things.

00:21:15.540 But I think, again, he's he's fearful of the neo-fascism of Trump. People look at Biden. They don't really want to tell the full truth.

00:21:23.420 He's created the best economy that we can get. Is this the best that we can get?

00:21:30.180 You're going to tell that lie to the people just for Biden to win?

00:21:36.900 Hmm. OK. And then, as you point out, out comes Bernie Sanders with a response directed at Cornel West.

00:21:43.560 Where I disagree with my good friend, Cornel West, is I think in these really very

00:21:51.300 difficult times where there is a real question whether democracy is going to remain in the United States of America,

00:22:01.700 I think we have got to bring the entire progressive community to defeat Trump or whoever the Republican nominee will be.

00:22:09.580 OK, and then one more for you. Cornel West went on rising with, you know, the Hill and had had an interesting POV that we should play.

00:22:21.460 Take a listen. It's not 10.

00:22:23.620 Brother Bernie's making a plausible argument, but I think deep down in his heart, he knows that the Democratic Party has no fundamental intention of speaking to the needs of poor people and working.

00:22:34.060 People, he and AOC and the others are going to be in a certain sense, window dressing at worst and at best people to appeal to every four years.

00:22:45.700 So, Glenn, he, Cornel West is not persuaded by the Bernie message of we've got to get the entire Democratic Party unified and on board to defeat the fascist Trump.

00:22:56.060 You know, I have to say, Megan, like Bernie Sanders, it's sad to watch because he is a politician for whom I had personal respect.

00:23:01.760 I think a lot of people, even people who don't like his ideology in Washington, will say, whatever you want to say about Bernie, he has integrity in the sense that he's always true to his principles.

00:23:11.120 What he's doing now is so despicable because in 2016, this is exactly the argument that was made against Bernie Sanders was, look, we have this Hitler-like menace and Donald Trump.

00:23:22.040 This is not a time to have infighting within the Democratic Party.

00:23:25.040 You're threatening American democracy by running against Hillary Clinton and damaging her.

00:23:28.320 And to this day, a lot of them blame Bernie Sanders for sabotaging Hillary Clinton in the general election.

00:23:34.580 And beyond that, Megan, people don't want to face the fact in the Democratic Party that it isn't people like me saying this.

00:23:41.300 It's people like Elizabeth Warren and Donna Brazile, the former chairwoman of the DNC, who said that in 2016, the Democrats cheated.

00:23:49.520 They rigged the election in order to ensure that Bernie lost and that Hillary won and that she would win no matter what.

00:23:54.820 And so to watch Bernie now turn around to the same party that refuses to hold any presidential debates, to declare Joe Biden the winner, even though he has two primary challengers before a single vote is cast, that cheated and rigged the election when he ran.

00:24:08.280 And to pretend now that the Democrats are the only guardians of democracy without whom we will no longer be a democracy.

00:24:14.440 And not only that, but to do so by attacking Cornel West, someone who's supposed to be his friend in such harsh terms, I think is really grotesque.

00:24:23.560 And look, you saw Cornel West in that clip.

00:24:25.320 I mean, it's not hard to understand why Democrats, the last poll showed 20 percent of black Americans are saying they're going to vote for Donald Trump.

00:24:32.320 Maybe that was an outlier.

00:24:33.380 But no question, Trump has attracted more and more non-white voters the more he stayed in public life.

00:24:39.100 And if you have someone like Cornel West going and saying that stuff that he just said, Democrats don't care about the working class, they don't care about the poor.

00:24:45.540 That is not something that Democrats want.

00:24:47.720 And I don't think they believe they can persuade Cornel West to stop.

00:24:51.060 And so they've launched this repulsive campaign trying to depict him as a deadbeat dad, as a tax cheat.

00:24:56.840 Like, what's next, drug dealer?

00:24:58.780 Oh, yeah.

00:24:59.260 And it really shows just how craven these people are.

00:25:01.420 The Daily Beast had a piece up this month.

00:25:04.300 Cornel West owes more than half a million in unpaid taxes.

00:25:07.380 They went and pulled public records from New Jersey and California, claiming he owes the IRS five hundred and forty three thousand dollars in outstanding federal tax liens.

00:25:16.620 I don't know what the circumstances of all this are, but they're happy to come after him because he he actually may be siphoning votes off from their dear leader.

00:25:25.860 And Joe Biden cannot afford to lose any votes, never mind votes within the black community.

00:25:31.420 Why do you think he moved South Carolina up first for the Democratic primary?

00:25:35.740 He's it's a reward to Jim Clyburn and for South Carolina for essentially helping him become the Democratic nominee.

00:25:42.180 He cannot lose the black vote, period. 0.55

00:25:44.120 But they are losing the black vote.

00:25:48.080 I mean, there's going to obviously be the most unified and concerted push on behalf of every powerful Democratic every half of every powerful institution in this country outside of a few media companies and others.

00:26:01.240 But in general, the entire power center in the United States is going to be united behind Joe Biden.

00:26:05.060 The propaganda campaign launched against the American people will be unlike anything we've ever seen before.

00:26:09.580 Remember, in 2016, the FBI concocted a fake Russiagate scandal in 2020.

00:26:13.740 The CIA lied to voters right before the vote by telling them the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation, which was a complete and utter lie that the corporate media spread.

00:26:22.320 That shows the extent, the lengths to which they're willing to go to try and win this election.

00:26:27.120 So there's going to be a huge propaganda push.

00:26:29.240 But I think a lot of black voters are coming to the realization that Democrats love black voters as long as black voters do what Democrats tell them to do.

00:26:39.240 And that is not something that most people want to accept.

00:26:44.160 Yes. So this is from early August.

00:26:46.980 The Trump campaign highlighted an Emerson College Bowl out of Michigan showing Trump and Biden tied each with 44 percent.

00:26:52.880 And when Cornel West was added as a choice, Joe Biden lost the state of Michigan to Trump.

00:27:00.480 Forty three percent for Trump, 41 percent for Biden.

00:27:04.660 West got four percent of the vote.

00:27:07.260 They can't have it.

00:27:07.940 They cannot they cannot have it.

00:27:10.480 He doesn't have it to spare.

00:27:12.140 He did not win in any sort of a landslide last time around meeting Joe Biden.

00:27:17.180 He can't he needs every single vote.

00:27:18.960 And Cornel West could be a very interesting spoiler.

00:27:22.040 You know, we'll see.

00:27:23.960 Unlike this speculation about the third party and possibly running Joe Manchin, as you point out, Cornel West is already aligned with a Green Party that knows how to get you on the ballot and actually will siphon votes away.

00:27:35.300 Yeah. And I have to say, Megan, you know, Cornel West is not Jill Stein.

00:27:40.980 I have a lot of respect for Jill Stein.

00:27:42.640 You know, I don't agree with her on everything, but to put that mildly.

00:27:46.500 But I think she's a good and decent person.

00:27:49.080 But when it comes to political talent and charisma, Cornel West is in a different universe.

00:27:54.200 And also, Cornel West is black and Jill Stein is is white.

00:27:57.980 And when it comes to black voters, I think Cornel West is going to have a lot of say.

00:28:03.980 And if he spends the next months, even if at the end of the day, he withdraws or endorse Joe Biden or whatever.

00:28:08.880 But if he spends the next six months with that message that you just played and when he was on my show, I mean, he spent 30 or 40 minutes just bashing the Democratic Party.

00:28:17.920 He agrees with the Trump position on Ukraine, which is kind of the DeSantis position, the Vivek position.

00:28:23.660 He agrees with the Republicans on trade issues or the Trump side on trade issues.

00:28:27.840 So if he's going out there and saying that sort of thing, the Democratic Party doesn't care about you.

00:28:31.860 They have these rich people telling you how great the economy is.

00:28:34.260 But that's because people like you aren't benefiting and they don't care about you.

00:28:37.620 All of which is true in which he's extremely effective in conveying.

00:28:41.040 It's going to do a lot of damage, though.

00:28:43.480 It's the Trump message in a lot of ways.

00:28:46.100 And Trump was the big middle finger to the establishment that had forgotten the working class.

00:28:50.100 And Cornel West could be the same thing for those Democrats who wouldn't go so far as to vote Republican, vote for Donald Trump, but want to give the middle finger and badly.

00:28:59.600 And so he's an option that they that they haven't had before.

00:29:02.440 So it does get pretty interesting.

00:29:04.180 Let me ask you about something that's been in the news.

00:29:05.960 We talked about it with Victor Davis Hanson earlier this week.

00:29:08.000 The notion that's growing in some corners that Joe Biden's not he's not going to run.

00:29:12.360 This is he's going to have to withdraw because of his infirmity, because of the scandal around Hunter and himself and that, you know, he's going to stay on the ballot just just long enough, but that he won't ultimately be the one running for the Democratic Party for all of these reasons.

00:29:27.700 And they just sort of have to keep it going long enough that they can get some other comers in the mix and it won't just be handed to Kamala Harris, who they know can't win. 0.86

00:29:35.860 What do you think?

00:29:38.000 I mean, there was a lot of speculation like this in 2020 when the claim was that Michelle Obama was going to swoop in or even Andrew Cuomo before his scandals was going to swoop in and become the real nominee.

00:29:51.120 So I am always skeptical of this.

00:29:55.600 I mean, I don't think the Democratic Party apparatus gets completely geared up and fired up and says Joe Biden is our candidate.

00:30:02.920 There is nobody other than we're considering.

00:30:04.660 Only to ditch him at the last minute, because, again, I think it gets back to that thing we were talking about at the beginning.

00:30:10.780 And I don't know, maybe for people who aren't like this, it's hard to understand.

00:30:16.340 But Joe Biden's entire life has been about holding political power.

00:30:22.440 Before he won in 2020, he ran for president three times.

00:30:25.900 So this is their life goal, like to get this power.

00:30:30.440 I don't think they're just going to voluntarily relinquish it.

00:30:33.220 They need it for their self-esteem.

00:30:34.900 They have no purpose without it.

00:30:36.720 You know, it's sad.

00:30:37.560 You should have a balanced life.

00:30:38.880 Like if you lose this, you have this in your life.

00:30:41.280 They don't have this, Megan.

00:30:42.740 This is everything to them.

00:30:44.300 That's why they stay until they're 90 and 95 and lose their dignity. 0.80

00:30:48.120 And I just don't see Joe Biden voluntarily relinquishing the thing that he spent his entire life pursuing.

00:30:54.720 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:30:56.020 It's the power crack pipe.

00:30:57.700 There's Hunter with the actual crack pipe.

00:30:59.500 And then there's the power crack pipe, which is even harder to put down.

00:31:02.820 I think it's a bad.

00:31:03.800 I think it's a harder addiction.

00:31:05.040 Yeah, but there's a lot more to go through, including Vivek Ramaswamy in the news quite a bit.

00:31:09.700 Having a contentious exchange with Sean Hannity the other night.

00:31:12.600 We'll get to it.

00:31:13.140 All right.

00:31:17.180 So this just breaking via Axios.

00:31:19.560 Well, I guess not just breaking, but came out within the past day or two.

00:31:23.620 Trump pollster Tony Fabrizio is telling Republican donors that Nikki Haley is surging in Iowa right now.

00:31:30.920 This is according to his polling.

00:31:32.660 She's surging in Iowa and that she and Vivek are essentially tied with Governor DeSantis in New Hampshire.

00:31:38.540 This is according to a polling memo that Axios obtained.

00:31:41.960 He wrote that his latest poll, which is looking at likely Republican voters.

00:31:46.980 You know, that's what you always want to look for.

00:31:48.180 Forget just registered.

00:31:49.160 Likely Republican voters in Iowa and New Hampshire shows Trump, of course, still far ahead.

00:31:53.940 And he claims in this that DeSantis is flatlined.

00:31:56.400 Haley has surged.

00:31:57.720 And Ramaswamy is seen as last week's debate winner saying that there was no bounce for DeSantis as a result of the debate.

00:32:04.640 Now, DeSantis' polling firm, Public Opinion Strategies, released its own internal Iowa poll this week to Fox that also did find Nikki Haley rising in Iowa after the debate, but found DeSantis closer to Trump.

00:32:18.400 Now, this is what qualifies as good news these days for, you know, the DeSantis camp versus Trump.

00:32:24.100 Now, the Trump pollster found that Trump was ahead of DeSantis in Iowa by 26 point points.

00:32:30.480 But DeSantis pollsters point out quickly their poll shows Trump only ahead by 20 points in Iowa.

00:32:36.380 I mean, in any other election cycle, having covered so many of these, Glenn, this would be a joke.

00:32:42.020 Nobody nobody touts.

00:32:43.220 I'm within 20 points of him.

00:32:45.080 That's a crusher.

00:32:46.620 Seven points would have been considered a huge lead, you know, four or eight years ago.

00:32:50.500 That was like, it's only 20.

00:32:52.420 It's not 26.

00:32:54.080 So what do you make of this?

00:32:55.940 It reminds me when Joe Lieberman ran for president, I think, in 2008.

00:33:00.540 And he was hated by the party base.

00:33:02.440 Democratic Party base actually voted against him in the primary.

00:33:05.360 And he ended up being reelected as an independent.

00:33:07.480 But he ran for president and it was totally at the bottom of the polls.

00:33:12.020 And then in New Hampshire, he came in fifth place.

00:33:14.700 But he announced that he was so close that basically it was a three way tie for third place.

00:33:19.000 And he was celebrating it.

00:33:20.160 There were the media was kind of calling it Joe meant Joe momentum as a way of kind of mocking him.

00:33:24.440 And that is kind of what you see.

00:33:25.940 I mean, obviously, if you're Donald Trump, what you want is to divide the field as much as possible.

00:33:30.780 That's how he won in 2016.

00:33:32.100 He didn't get 50 percent of the Republican votes.

00:33:34.400 But you had Marco Rubio and Jeff Bush and Ted Cruz and several others dividing the vote.

00:33:38.700 And all he needed was 35 to 40 percent win every primary.

00:33:42.260 And that's he's he obviously has at least 35 to 40 percent of the Republican voting base that is not going to abandon him no matter what.

00:33:48.440 So if you're him, you want to make sure you don't have just one alternative and don't governor to stand this.

00:33:52.220 But you play up every other alternative, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, Tim Scott, whomever, to divide them as much as possible.

00:33:58.220 That's obviously the Trump strategy and that's a strategy that makes political sense.

00:34:01.400 I think the issue here is that and I think this doesn't get appreciated enough, is that Donald Trump didn't win in 2016 simply because he was like a famous TV host or is charismatic or people like him in the Republican Party.

00:34:17.480 He won because he had a very clear ideological message, which was to repudiate Republican Party orthodoxy on both foreign policy as expressed by the Bush chaining new conservative worldview and even economic policy as expressed by Reaganomics.

00:34:31.520 The idea that what we want are tax cuts for the wealthy corporations, even though he did that in office, that wasn't what he ran on.

00:34:37.520 And that is an ideology that I think it is going to be very difficult for someone to compete with Donald Trump if you don't embrace that ideology.

00:34:45.980 Nikki Haley and Mike Pence and Tim Scott, Chris Christie, don't believe in that ideology.

00:34:51.800 They are violently opposed to it.

00:34:54.220 And I think it's the problem for DeSantis is how do you make gains on Donald Trump when you seem a little bit afraid to really draw a sharp contrast between yourself and him because you fear alienating Trump voters?

00:35:07.300 That is a real concern for DeSantis.

00:35:09.260 I just don't know the way out of it.

00:35:10.740 I don't think he does either.

00:35:11.660 I think they're all running just in case Trump gets incarcerated and the electorate turns on him like there's or dies.

00:35:18.800 I mean, truly, what what other way is there around Trump at this point?

00:35:21.420 Like it's kind of OK.

00:35:22.700 I mean, I guess we can just wait and see.

00:35:24.200 But he maybe he took like a hit of two points in a poll or two for not debating.

00:35:30.780 And now we're celebrating he's only ahead by 20 in one state, but still ahead on a national basis over 40 points like this is not a strategy.

00:35:38.800 So it's got to be these are not dumb men and not a dumb woman in Nikki's case.

00:35:43.580 They've got to just be hoping he implodes with the electorate when the criminal trials pile on, when they actually get started, when people start to see it in the news every day and get sick of not seeing Trump ads as opposed to just Trump sitting in court or Trump rallies as opposed to Trump sitting in court.

00:36:00.380 Or they're banking on him being 77 and no longer.

00:36:03.840 I mean, I don't say I don't I don't see the strategy beyond that.

00:36:06.760 But to your point, Glenn, I want to say this.

00:36:08.640 You're you hit it spot on because this Fabrizio memo shows that Team Trump is now emphasizing DeSantis's early struggles, trying to shift the campaign's narrative from Trump versus DeSantis to Trump versus everyone else.

00:36:23.160 The more people wonder, like Trump is propping up Ramaswamy, do you actually think Trump would let Ramaswamy live politically for one day if he thought Ramaswamy was a threat to him?

00:36:34.140 He'd club him like a harp seal.

00:36:35.880 So he he's letting him live and ride on his coattails because it's good for him to have other people challenging DeSantis.

00:36:44.940 Absolutely.

00:36:45.580 I think it's smart politics.

00:36:47.060 I think he's being well advised, honestly.

00:36:49.360 Why would you go to a debate when you have a 50 point lead?

00:36:51.640 The thing I think is so interesting, though, is there are four criminal indictments, as you know, two in the federal court system, two in the state court system against Donald Trump with possibly more indictments coming.

00:37:02.340 And it isn't just that his support in the Republican Party is consolidating, not just despite that, but obviously because of it.

00:37:09.680 A lot of Republicans see this as political persecution and they want it.

00:37:13.720 They don't want to reward an existential threat for the for the rule of law and for some fundamental pieces of our of our democracy.

00:37:19.520 It's it's it's more than just I'm very angry about what you're doing to him.

00:37:23.280 That's a piece of it.

00:37:23.900 But it's also it's a before and after moment for the country.

00:37:26.660 And we are going to fight.

00:37:28.160 We're not crossing that line willingly or without going like he must win now in order to prove a point.

00:37:33.160 Keep going.

00:37:33.940 Totally, totally agree.

00:37:35.080 And I don't think that is so surprising.

00:37:37.420 I think, though, what is surprising to me, at least maybe not to other people, is that you're not really seeing any weakening among independents or those kind of like non-MAGA people either.

00:37:49.260 It's not like every time he gets indicted, Joe Biden moves ahead of Trump.

00:37:53.160 I mean, Megan, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, being criminally indicted at any point in your life, let alone while you are running, would be instantly fatal.

00:38:00.820 But there is so much distrust in the legitimacy of our institutions.

00:38:06.520 I think validly so that getting indicted at this point almost seems like a benefit.

00:38:14.060 You know, like people have concluded that these institutions are being weaponized and they are.

00:38:20.340 Every one of them, including journalistic outlets, have abandoned their core function for a politicized aim.

00:38:26.300 People see that.

00:38:27.220 And I don't know, I do find it surprising that even among independents and non-MAGA loyalists, Trump's support is not softening as a result of these indictments.

00:38:37.740 If anything, it's strengthening.

00:38:40.240 Yeah, it's somebody asked me, like, what can DeSantis do?

00:38:42.740 And I said, get indicted.

00:38:44.540 Like, I couldn't hurt.

00:38:49.300 OK, so let's talk about Vivek, because Vivek is interesting to watch for a number of reasons.

00:38:54.340 I confess, you know, I like him personally, but he's he's kind of annoying as a candidate in some ways.

00:38:59.420 I'm kind of over the I didn't say that.

00:39:02.200 I didn't say that this is all media attack when he did say it.

00:39:04.440 Just fucking stand by what you said and then explain it.

00:39:07.060 But it's constantly if you look, I'm going to put one of these together so people can see what I'm doing.

00:39:10.680 It's just annoying.

00:39:11.460 I was like, I didn't say that, whether he's in front of Andrea Mitchell or Sean Hannity.

00:39:14.960 And it's like you got the quote right here.

00:39:17.200 You did say it.

00:39:18.260 Just go ahead and contextualize it.

00:39:19.840 Explain it or say you're new at foreign policy and you're figuring it out.

00:39:22.940 Stop calling everybody a liar and then touting what a courageous person you are, which is what he does.

00:39:27.820 If you go listen to his soundbites, I'm the only one with the courage to say this.

00:39:30.960 I'm the only one who has the courage to say this.

00:39:32.820 OK, we get it.

00:39:33.540 You're very courageous.

00:39:34.260 Just ask you.

00:39:34.960 This is what I'm finding annoying about him.

00:39:36.880 However, there are a lot of things about Vivek I really like.

00:39:38.940 So I just think his personal style is becoming irritating, notwithstanding that his message may be resonating, at least irritating to me.

00:39:46.800 So full disclosure there.

00:39:48.040 So he goes on with Hannity on Monday and they start to get into the foreign policy stuff, including Israel, where Sean raises some comments that he made about weaning Israel off of U.S.

00:40:02.480 aid by 2028 in a podcast with Russell Brand.

00:40:06.140 Sean raises it.

00:40:07.040 Here's what happens.

00:40:07.640 You said aid to Israel, our number one ally, only democracy in the region should end in 2028 and that they should be integrated with their neighbors.

00:40:19.220 I have an exact quote.

00:40:20.280 You want to read it?

00:40:20.920 That's actually.

00:40:22.760 Yeah, I can tell you the exact quote.

00:40:24.740 What I said is it would be a mark of success if we ever got to a point in our relationship with Israel, if Israel never needed the United States as aid.

00:40:34.360 Why did you say that Israel should not have preferential treatment from us?

00:40:38.400 That's a direct quote.

00:40:39.880 Sean, I understand.

00:40:41.440 No, those are direct quotes from headlines summarized by opposition research fed to the fake news media.

00:40:46.040 Abraham Accord's 2.0 is my top priority, which is to get Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar into that pact with Israel and foremost to have a partnership with Israel that does something really important for the U.S.,

00:40:57.940 which is to make sure that Iran never, ever, ever has nuclear capabilities.

00:41:03.120 So I don't read from the traditional GOP talking point binder that's handed to traditional candidates.

00:41:08.820 That's true.

00:41:09.720 That lends itself to being misquoted.

00:41:13.000 OK, so that's one example.

00:41:15.580 Now, I know you have a different view on Israel in general than a lot of these core Republicans do, but this support for Israel has been like a must do for any Republican candidate, including Donald Trump.

00:41:30.260 Even he didn't break that norm.

00:41:31.660 So what's going on here?

00:41:33.700 Yeah, well, and for every Democratic candidate, too, that's like the most bipartisan taboo there is.

00:41:38.680 No, I will say when one of the first ways, the reasons that neocons turned against Trump is because Trump came out in 2015 in an interview and said,

00:41:50.840 I do think we have been too heavy handed and on the side of the Israelis and are losing our ability to negotiate a peace deal with the Palestinians.

00:41:57.620 That means we need to be more even handed and that will give us more credibility in the region to negotiate a peace deal to finally bring peace to that region.

00:42:04.900 Something I think is very reasonable, but not something you're allowed to say.

00:42:08.080 The backlash was immense.

00:42:09.300 A month later, he was in front of AIPAC reciting the bipartisan consensus and sort of never gave up.

00:42:14.800 In fact, went very far to the other extreme of being the most kind of pro-Israel president from the perspective of Israel you can find.

00:42:21.660 In Vivek's case, I think he's raising reasonable points that absolutely are not popular among Republican voters, even MAGA voters who are not interested in intervention or in involving ourselves in other countries.

00:42:39.240 Israel is a huge exception for religious reasons.

00:42:42.240 I don't mean for Jewish voters. 1.00

00:42:43.420 I mean for a lot of evangelical voters as well.

00:42:46.020 Just geopolitically, it's been drummed into our head that supporting Israel is our moral obligation.

00:42:50.040 And I'm glad there's somebody questioning that because I think all orthodoxy should be questioned.

00:42:54.800 But as you said, if you're going to do that, if you're going to step forward and say, and it is true, he didn't say we should cut off aid to Israel.

00:43:01.580 That's what Nikki Haley accused him of saying in the debate.

00:43:03.560 And I think he was sensitive about Sean asking him about that because of that.

00:43:07.020 That's why he said that's false.

00:43:08.460 But what he's saying is a nuanced point, which is, look, it would be a better relationship, not just for us, but for Israel, if they weren't dependent upon our aid, if they were self-sufficient.

00:43:19.060 Maybe some people agree with that.

00:43:20.760 Maybe some people won't.

00:43:21.700 It's a perfectly reasonable point to make.

00:43:23.100 But if you're going to make it, as you said, Megan, go make it.

00:43:25.880 Don't keep accusing everybody of being a liar because they're asking you and pointing out that you do have heterodoxy on Israel.

00:43:32.280 He does.

00:43:33.480 And he should stand up and say, I do.

00:43:35.480 And here's the reason.

00:43:36.280 And I think that it would be a lot more respected if he did that.

00:43:39.340 I hope he does start doing that.

00:43:41.020 But he admitted six months ago or so that he actually I'm not sure how long, but within the past couple of months that he he doesn't know much about foreign policy.

00:43:49.260 And I don't think anybody expected him to know that much about foreign policy.

00:43:52.740 You know, there's no reason to believe he would.

00:43:55.600 And what's what's getting annoying, Glenn, is the way he speaks about it is as though he's been heading up the Council on Foreign Relations for the past 20 years.

00:44:02.000 And everybody else is an idiot and only Vivek has the courage to tell you the truth.

00:44:06.160 And then he says something.

00:44:07.340 And then as soon as he realizes he stepped in quicksand, he quickly tries to reverse it, accuses the media of making it up and then slightly modifies it to make it less controversial.

00:44:17.620 And he starts getting a little further.

00:44:20.140 Same thing happened on Taiwan, right, where he he clearly said some controversial things to Hugh Hewitt about what what's going to happen with Taiwan.

00:44:27.640 We're going to be we're going to ramp up our our defenses of Taiwan.

00:44:32.160 We're going to abandon strategic ambiguity on Taiwan.

00:44:34.980 Instead, we're going to make it very clear to China.

00:44:37.080 You F with with Taiwan through now through 2028 until we have semiconductor independence here in America. 0.78

00:44:42.920 It's on. It's hot war.

00:44:44.500 We're moving destroyers over there. 0.97

00:44:45.980 We're going to arm all the Taiwanese, which would be a massive provocation to the Chinese. 1.00

00:44:51.440 But then in 2028, after we somehow magically develop all our semiconductors back here in America, which we have not yet been able to do.

00:44:57.480 We're going to somehow magically do it under Vivek.

00:45:00.100 Then we're going to go back.

00:45:01.880 Just strategic ambiguity with China, like just kidding.

00:45:04.900 We didn't mean it.

00:45:05.740 Our destroyers are gone.

00:45:06.880 We're going to take back those weapons.

00:45:07.900 We have the time.

00:45:08.880 This is absurd stuff.

00:45:10.500 It's absurd stuff.

00:45:11.920 I would much rather Vivek say I don't have Taiwan figured out.

00:45:15.680 I'm not sure anybody has Taiwan figured out.

00:45:18.140 But here's what I can tell you.

00:45:19.140 I am.

00:45:19.860 Unlike Donald Trump, I'm going to get the best people in there and I'm going to listen to them like I did as a business executive.

00:45:25.940 That's why I have hundreds of millions of dollars and you don't.

00:45:28.660 Yeah, you know, I think it's complicated.

00:45:33.220 You know, I had a I met Vivek, I think, two years ago or so about a different project.

00:45:39.340 I remember walking away from the very first call I had with him thinking, I don't think I've ever interacted with anybody with as much tangible self-confidence as he has.

00:45:48.160 Let's use just like a neutral term for that self-confidence.

00:45:50.340 He has a high amount of belief in his own abilities.

00:45:52.380 That has sort of been vindicated for him along the way.

00:45:55.740 He got very rich, very young.

00:45:57.120 He went to the best schools, et cetera.

00:45:59.020 Constantly this kind of reinforcement that you are the smartest, you know everything, you're capable of things, other people aren't.

00:46:06.200 When President remember, like when President Obama decided he was going to run for the presidency in 2006, he had been in the United States Senate for all of two years.

00:46:14.660 And before that, he was in the state Senate.

00:46:16.540 He had no foreign policy experience, zero, none.

00:46:20.120 But when Hillary Clinton and other people would attack him for that, and then when John McCain did as well, he had a very good argument, which is, you know what?

00:46:26.040 I don't have foreign policy experience.

00:46:27.640 And I actually think that that is a good thing because you people in the foreign policy community with all your expertise have messed up foreign policy to such an extent that I'd rather have someone randomly picked from the phone book running foreign policy than people with all these great credentials.

00:46:40.260 There are ways to address this, but I do think a little bit of humility, even if it's fake, it is necessary because at some point that can, with exposure, start to go from self-confidence to a very kind of unpleasant arrogance.

00:46:56.500 You can't just go around announcing that everybody else is dumb and only you are smart or seem like that's your mindset.

00:47:03.480 So he's very new at all this.

00:47:05.460 Four months ago, Megan, nobody knew who he was.

00:47:07.860 Nobody.

00:47:08.180 And hopefully I do think he's very smart.

00:47:11.880 I interviewed him the morning after his debate in Milwaukee.

00:47:14.440 I can see this kind of like I get why people are have that.

00:47:17.920 He has like this gravitational pull.

00:47:19.420 I get that.

00:47:20.320 I think he's going to I hope he's going to figure out some of these like more nuanced aspects of being a candidate because I do think he's raising important political debates and I don't want him to alienate people with his personality traits.

00:47:32.400 I agree with you.

00:47:32.980 And if you were smart, he'd be listening to us right now because you don't want to be the annoying, smartest kid in the class correcting everyone.

00:47:39.600 You're wrong and you're wrong and the teacher's wrong.

00:47:41.580 And I'll show you how it's actually supposed to be done when you're in fact saying some things that may or may not be correct at all.

00:47:47.380 Right.

00:47:47.740 You don't actually have the stuff to back up these statements like the Taiwan plan is absolutely insane.

00:47:53.280 In any event, that's grading.

00:47:55.620 That's why the other Republicans don't like him.

00:47:57.740 And he's got to find a way of resting away their supporters without alienating the entirety of the GOP base.

00:48:05.180 Glenn Greenwald, love talking to you.

00:48:07.080 Thanks for coming on.

00:48:08.660 Always great to be on.

00:48:09.460 They can keep up the great work.

00:48:10.360 Love your show.

00:48:11.800 You too.

00:48:15.320 We're heading into Labor Day weekend.

00:48:17.340 Can you believe it?

00:48:18.140 My God, summer's officially ending.

00:48:19.780 It's over.

00:48:20.120 It is a day meant to celebrate the achievements and contributions of the worker.

00:48:26.520 But these days, many Americans are feeling overwhelmed, saddled by high prices and drowning under a record one trillion dollars in credit card balances.

00:48:34.020 According to the Real Clear Politics average of polls, just 38 percent of Americans approve of the job President Biden is doing on the economy.

00:48:42.180 And yet you wouldn't know that if you listen to Joe Biden bragging about his economic policies.

00:48:47.820 You know, Bidenomics, how it's going to really help him in the 2024 election.

00:48:52.780 And it just might if the media does what it normally does.

00:48:57.020 My next guest has a new book on a future where the elites will own everything and you will own nothing.

00:49:04.720 And the book is called You Will Own Nothing.

00:49:07.220 Your War with the New Financial World Order and How to Fight Back.

00:49:12.140 Carol Roth is with me.

00:49:13.420 She's a former investment banker.

00:49:14.920 She joins me now.

00:49:16.100 She went to Wharton, the fancy school of business.

00:49:19.480 Carol, it's great to see you.

00:49:20.700 So Bidenomics, the president's leaning in.

00:49:24.620 He's decided to own it in the way Obama leaned into Obamacare.

00:49:28.960 I like it.

00:49:29.560 He said, I like it.

00:49:30.360 And here's Joe Biden just on Tuesday loving Bidenomics.

00:49:35.380 Sod 18.

00:49:35.700 The Financial Times and The Wall Street Journal, I don't think they meant it as a compliment.

00:49:41.580 They started referring to my economic policy as Bidenomics.

00:49:45.220 Well, guess what?

00:49:46.500 It's working.

00:49:47.220 What would a Biden stop be without the creepy whisper?

00:49:56.240 So is it?

00:49:57.040 Is it working?

00:49:58.820 It's not working, Megan.

00:50:00.680 It's not working.

00:50:01.860 I love it.

00:50:02.320 I love the fact that just because he's put a little brand name around it and a trademark

00:50:07.340 Bidenomics that all of a sudden that he could say that it's working.

00:50:11.100 We have a war that's going on here, a financial war, and it's not between political parties.

00:50:17.040 It's between the middle and working class and the elite.

00:50:21.100 And the reality is, under President Biden, people who are in the middle and working class

00:50:25.580 have gotten crushed.

00:50:27.140 They cannot keep up with the cost of living.

00:50:30.700 We know that it's costing almost $8,000 plus extra dollars a year just for the basics.

00:50:37.180 Wages haven't kept pace with it.

00:50:38.880 People can't afford to buy homes, and the basic tenor of the financial situation is one

00:50:46.920 where people are really struggling, and they feel like the American dream is more and more

00:50:51.220 out of reach.

00:50:52.320 The challenge that we have in terms of Biden is that the media keeps telling him what a

00:50:59.780 great job they're doing, that home ownership isn't important, or that people not selling

00:51:06.700 their homes coming out of their homes is the cause of why the economy is stagnating or why

00:51:12.000 the Fed is being held back instead of pointing the fingers at the people who are creating these

00:51:16.800 policies.

00:51:17.940 The reality is that people know what's going on.

00:51:20.880 They go to the grocery store.

00:51:22.220 They try to keep up with their payments.

00:51:24.540 And while the economy may not be having a broad recession, we are definitely seeing these signs

00:51:31.220 of individual recessions where people are dipping into savings and loading up on their

00:51:36.240 credit cards and killing their personal balance sheets.

00:51:39.980 And at the expense of the American people, the economy is still, quote unquote, doing OK.

00:51:44.980 OK, so it's very true, according to every poll, that the economy is the number one issue for

00:51:51.280 voters, Dem or Republican, number one issue.

00:51:54.320 The real clear politics of all polls shows Biden's job approval on the economy is only 38 percent,

00:52:01.100 almost 60 percent, 58.9 disapprove of the job he's doing.

00:52:05.640 So he's basically lost two thirds of the American electorate's confidence when it comes to the

00:52:11.600 economy.

00:52:11.960 However, however, I listen to podcasts on the left and the right and take my news in from

00:52:17.660 the left and the right, just so I'm aware of what everybody's saying.

00:52:19.880 And about a month ago, The Daily, The New York Times podcast, it's their daily news podcast.

00:52:25.040 It's called The Daily.

00:52:26.120 They gave him the most glowing progress report on Bidenomics.

00:52:33.460 And here are just some of the stats.

00:52:35.420 Current U.S. unemployment rate is now 3.5 percent.

00:52:38.640 It was 6.3 percent when Biden took office.

00:52:40.800 Current annual inflation rate is 3.2 percent.

00:52:44.780 It was 6.5 percent back in 2022 and flirted up even higher than that.

00:52:49.880 And what they were saying on The Daily, Carol, is it's worked that we had the inflation going up, up, up, up, up.

00:52:59.060 And the Fed stepped in and started raising the interest rates and kind of pushed it and pushed it and pushed it and tried to thread the needle so that they wouldn't push it so much that they tip us over into a recession.

00:53:10.940 And by George, they did it because the inflation rate has indeed calmed down and we haven't gone into a recession.

00:53:20.420 And despite all these credit rates now, you know, being so much higher to get a mortgage or get a car, get a loan, people are still borrowing and spending.

00:53:31.760 So, boom, there's the pigskin spiked in the end zone.

00:53:36.940 You're welcome.

00:53:38.180 It's working.

00:53:39.000 I love the fact that, you know, Mark Twain once said that there's lies, damn lies and statistics.

00:53:47.620 And without context, you can make numbers say whatever you want them to say.

00:53:52.120 So Joe Biden comes out and the media, like The New York Times, will run cover for this and say, look at all the jobs we've created.

00:53:59.300 We've been this amazing job creator.

00:54:01.120 You know, not mentioning the fact that it wasn't really creating jobs, it was reclaiming jobs because we shut down a third of the economy.

00:54:09.580 So when you open those back up, those jobs came back online because they existed before.

00:54:15.100 But it's not like he's had this amazing job creation program or environment that has fostered incredible job creation.

00:54:23.820 So he wants to take credit for that.

00:54:26.320 Something like the inflation rate.

00:54:27.960 This is a head scratcher, but I knew they were going to do this.

00:54:31.240 I tweeted about this multiple years ago because, you know, we are still having increased inflation above a sustainable level.

00:54:39.320 The fact of the matter is it went up so high into the nine plus percent range that when you are comparing what's going on this year versus last year.

00:54:47.820 Sure, it's not as high in terms of the growth rate compared to last year versus last year versus the year before that.

00:54:55.360 But we've still got another three plus percent on top of that.

00:54:59.000 And that's if you even believe that inflation rate, you know, they have rejiggered.

00:55:03.340 So this is like just to clarify, this is like when I go to the doctor and he says, you gained two pounds this year.

00:55:08.360 And I say, what are you getting on me about two pounds for?

00:55:10.640 Who gives a shit?

00:55:11.440 And he says, you know what?

00:55:12.500 If you gain two pounds a year for 10 years, guess how much weight you're going to be in 10 years from now?

00:55:16.600 And he's like, I got a point 20.

00:55:17.820 I'm going to be 20 pounds every year, which is a lot harder to lose.

00:55:19.980 So if I gain the two pounds in this year and then I say, get off my back, but then I don't think about it.

00:55:25.540 And then I go back two years from now and I've gained another three pounds.

00:55:28.780 I can't just be like, it's only three pounds.

00:55:30.860 He's like, no, you're five pounds heavier than you were to.

00:55:33.340 Right.

00:55:33.640 So this is what you're talking about.

00:55:35.440 Yeah.

00:55:35.640 And I'm going to add another wrinkle to that.

00:55:37.740 So it's basically like you gained five pounds last year and then this year you gained two pounds.

00:55:42.880 You go, well, doctor, I'm doing so much better.

00:55:44.500 I only gained two pounds this year.

00:55:45.780 OK, but you're up a net seven pounds and that is the crux of the issue.

00:55:51.160 And so we're still at a rate that is killing the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar.

00:55:56.340 So every dollar that you're working for is purchasing less and less.

00:56:00.220 And this is still at an unsustainable rate.

00:56:02.700 And by the way, they haven't fixed any of the structural problems that caused many of these issues.

00:56:08.880 So, yes, we're in a period where things the growth rate looks like it might be going down.

00:56:13.380 You're now gaining two pounds instead of five.

00:56:16.480 But what happens if next year you gain three because we haven't fixed our energy issues and we really haven't fixed the structural issues in terms of labor supply?

00:56:25.480 And we haven't fixed housing and we haven't fixed all the things that the Fed can't print.

00:56:30.120 They can print dollars, but they can't print energy and they can't print housing.

00:56:33.460 So we have these long term structural issues that have been caused both by the Federal Reserve as well as by the Biden economic policies.

00:56:41.940 And we haven't done anything to shift that.

00:56:45.520 So we have a couple of data points that, OK, yeah, we've gained two pounds instead of five.

00:56:50.060 But it doesn't mean we're out of the woodwork yet.

00:56:52.600 And either way, this is still real cost, long term cost that you are going to bear unless there is a massive period of deflation that undoes things, which potentially comes with the bad other bad scenarios like a recession or whatnot.

00:57:08.080 That you are going to be incurring those costs for the rest of your lives.

00:57:13.500 And that is the fundamental issue here.

00:57:16.640 And the American people aren't stupid.

00:57:19.220 They understand that.

00:57:20.160 And that is why so many people are unfavorable to the Biden presidency, even people who are Democrats and progressives, because they understand that the American dream is now out of reach and that the policies that he's putting forth, whatever he calls them,

00:57:37.480 are not truly solving the underlying problem.

00:57:41.440 He just seems so anti-business.

00:57:44.040 I mean, just so anti-business.

00:57:45.700 I remember when the Trump tax cuts passed.

00:57:49.200 I was at NBC and a very senior executive there was talking about how much money NBC made as a result of the tax cuts and that they were going to be giving them back like a large portion of them.

00:57:59.840 They were going to be giving back to employees in the forms of bonuses and so on.

00:58:02.820 So the workers benefited.

00:58:04.000 The workers were thrilled ultimately at those Trump tax cuts because, you know, the corporations would trickle them down in the same way.

00:58:11.040 If you hike the corporate tax taxes, you're going to pay for that, too, as the employee.

00:58:14.900 They're going to start laying people off. 0.57

00:58:16.460 Well, Joe Biden, he's got exactly the opposite mentality.

00:58:19.300 Just today, there's a there's an article in Politico, new push from Biden administration to expand overtime pay.

00:58:26.360 The Labor Department moved to expand overtime pay for for millions, in particular for workers making less than fifty five thousand dollars a year, saying they'd be automatically entitled to time and a half pay.

00:58:37.200 This would impact about three point six million folks.

00:58:40.100 But this is this to me is an obvious attempt at getting votes.

00:58:44.680 And this is government interference with the way a corporation runs its business.

00:58:50.340 Same thing we saw this week with the Medicare prices, the drug prices, these first 10 drugs now that are going to have to lower their prices in dealing with Medicare.

00:58:58.180 It's a punishment of these corporations that have been I know it's fun to hate on big pharma, but they innovate.

00:59:04.580 They come up with, yes, the vaccines that are controversial, but also like our cancer drugs.

00:59:09.780 And who's going to go find like the cures for for Alzheimer's now if they realize every time they they come up with one, you're going to have government stepping in to say, actually, you can't make your money back.

00:59:20.820 You're going to have to lower the price because I big government have said it's not fair.

00:59:25.860 Yeah. So on the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, they hate it so much that they didn't do anything to repeal it.

00:59:32.960 And the reason they didn't do anything to repeal it, that is that outside of covid, that after that was passed, they collected more tax revenue.

00:59:40.400 This is this is proven to work time and time again.

00:59:43.300 When you lower the taxes, they have they have increased the amount of tax revenue they collected.

00:59:48.080 And they don't want to see that moving in the other direction, although it has a little bit this year.

00:59:52.460 But so that's why they haven't done any movement to repeal this thing that was so awful that they hate so much that they decided to just leave it hanging out there.

01:00:02.180 You know, on things like these central planning pushes to change worker pay and things like that, I obviously have a lot of sympathy towards the worker, because, as we said, Bidenomics and what the Fed's been doing over the last 15 years has crushed and frankly, in many cases, obliterated the middle and working class.

01:00:23.740 So they do deserve to be making more of a wage that the challenge is that when you have government coming in to mandate something like that, it never works out.

01:00:34.140 It's that good intention with that bad outcome.

01:00:36.960 So if you now all of a sudden say, OK, at fifty five thousand dollars, if you work more than 40 hours a week, you're going to get time and a half.

01:00:44.840 What are employers going to do? 0.74

01:00:46.420 They're going to make sure you don't make the fifty five thousand dollars.

01:00:50.160 They're going to cut your hours because with every incentive or disincentive is an outcome that is attached to it.

01:00:58.080 And so you may have these great ideas that sound like they're being helpful.

01:01:02.340 But we know the reality of how economics work.

01:01:05.560 You have to let the markets basically sort this out.

01:01:09.260 And that's the challenge.

01:01:10.420 We've been having the Fed and the government and Biden administration.

01:01:14.260 They're trying to tip the scales.

01:01:16.020 They're trying to tip it in favor of whatever is going to benefit them and try and buy them votes.

01:01:21.520 And it is creating these unequal outcomes in a non-merit based way.

01:01:26.600 You know, I'm OK with inequality when it comes from merit.

01:01:30.000 Beyonce is the best singer.

01:01:31.760 Michael Jordan is the best basketball player.

01:01:34.300 Pay them more money.

01:01:35.840 But if you have the government intervention, the one picking the winners and losers, whether it's at the corporate level or trying to buy votes or whatever, it always has bad, unintended outcomes.

01:01:48.540 And so we have to find ways to remove barriers that allow American workers to make more, to allow people to create more wealth, to let them seize the American dream.

01:01:59.300 But it can't be done by putting in more barriers.

01:02:03.080 It just doesn't work that way.

01:02:04.640 Well, this gets to your book and the title of the book like this.

01:02:09.180 The belief that, you know, contrary to the Reagan mantra, government is the solution as opposed to government is the problem, is all over the Biden economic policy, Bidenomics.

01:02:20.960 And that's all over.

01:02:22.100 I mean, every facet of it that he thinks he's the answer.

01:02:25.220 He thinks he can step in to fix things and everything he touches turns to gold.

01:02:29.240 And that's his belief.

01:02:30.540 And yet we have a whole host of economic data that proves exactly the opposite.

01:02:34.200 So the title of your book, You Will Own Nothing, is tied to all of this because this is a mentality not only that we see in Democratic leaders in our own country, but at the World Economic Forum and sort of these globalist leaders who think this is our future.

01:02:50.040 Explain it.

01:02:50.480 Yeah. So what I first heard, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy.

01:02:54.820 It's floating around Twitter.

01:02:56.140 I just assumed that it was taken out of context because so many things floating around social media are.

01:03:02.120 And, you know, when I knew what I knew of the World Economic Forum at that point in time is it's an organization that is tied to the business and political elite.

01:03:10.660 So I was like, eh, there's no way that that organization with that kind of membership is going to be predicting the end of private property by 2030.

01:03:19.540 And in this particular case, Megan, it took very little research to find it.

01:03:24.000 In fact, you can go on their Twitter.

01:03:25.520 I guess it's x.com now feed and find this video.

01:03:30.140 And that is the number one prediction that they have.

01:03:32.360 You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.

01:03:34.840 And as somebody who has advocated for wealth creation opportunities for more than a quarter of a century now, I know that wealth comes from ownership.

01:03:42.940 You have to own assets that have the ability to retain their value or to increase in value in order to gain wealth.

01:03:51.780 So the idea that the people who are running businesses and running politics would be saying we're going to remove that opportunity was incredibly frightening to me.

01:04:03.320 And then I started to dissect the language.

01:04:05.800 You know, the language is you'll own nothing. 0.69

01:04:08.620 It's not we'll own nothing.

01:04:10.260 The people who are making this prediction don't feel like they're a part of this wonderful outcome that's going to happen.

01:04:17.340 So they're tipping their hand in just the way that they're putting it out there.

01:04:21.420 And then the idea that you'll be happy, that you should buy into this carefree lifestyle where the government takes care of everything.

01:04:28.960 Joe Biden is the man.

01:04:29.920 He's going to take care of you, Megan.

01:04:31.980 And if you buy into that, then it makes it much easier for them to affect.

01:04:37.060 They don't have to put it on you by force.

01:04:39.300 But as you well know, you know, as a student of history, the people who haven't had property ownership, they have been very unfree.

01:04:47.960 They have been very unhappy.

01:04:49.680 In many cases, they have starved to death and lost their lives.

01:04:53.580 So the idea that we're going to have some sort of utopia where there is no property ownership, it sounds like one of the isms.

01:05:00.500 Pick your favorite one.

01:05:01.380 Communism, fascism, socialism, whatever it is.

01:05:04.120 But it doesn't sound like a free market and it doesn't sound like the American ideal.

01:05:08.380 Well, why can't I just move to North Korea or China? 0.95

01:05:10.580 I don't have to wait.

01:05:11.840 I can just have it tomorrow if I just pick up my suitcase and move.

01:05:16.160 So what is the vision?

01:05:17.500 I mean, explain it because this is stuff our mutual friend Glenn Beck talks about a lot, I know.

01:05:22.260 But what what what is the vision?

01:05:25.220 Why why do they want us to own nothing so that they can control us so that they can stop us from eating meat?

01:05:30.860 They can save the planet.

01:05:32.040 We will get rid of our SUVs.

01:05:33.820 This is just a camel's nose under the tent to control everything.

01:05:37.340 I think it goes back to the reality around history and human nature.

01:05:44.320 The fact is that at the United States has been the center of the global financial universe for about 80 years now.

01:05:51.500 And so for all of us, excuse me, for all of us here, we can't think of anything else.

01:05:57.040 You know, it seems like we've always been through this period of prosperity and where we've had the upper hand and we've reaped the benefits.

01:06:04.040 But it really is quite, you know, quite a recent thing before us.

01:06:09.480 It was the British that were in that pole position. 0.91

01:06:11.600 And before the British, it was the Dutch. 0.98

01:06:13.720 So this is a cycle that changes throughout history on every several generation basis.

01:06:19.580 And so, you know, when you start talking about a new financial world order, which also sounds very conspiratorial, it isn't.

01:06:26.980 It's sort of an outgrowth of history.

01:06:28.780 And Joe Biden himself has mentioned this.

01:06:31.780 He talked to the Business Roundtable, which is that the CEOs of all the major publicly traded companies and biggest companies in the U.S.

01:06:39.580 March 21st, 2022.

01:06:41.440 You can find this on the White House's website.

01:06:43.720 And he says that the financial order ships every few generations.

01:06:47.620 And then he says there's going to be a new world order out there and we've got to lead it.

01:06:53.460 And I'm assuming since he was talking to that audience, it meant that, you know, him as a representative of the political class and the business leaders and that they're the ones that are going to be in charge.

01:07:03.260 So if you have a scenario, Megan, where the financial order is shifting on a global basis and you are people who are very wealthy and powerful, what do you do?

01:07:14.120 Do you sit back and go, well, you know, I just hope that this works out for me.

01:07:17.420 I hope that, you know, when things shift, I'm still on top.

01:07:20.040 Or do you go, oh, no, things are changing?

01:07:21.680 We better ensure that we're on top, that we stay in power, that we retain all of this wealth.

01:07:28.900 And, you know, if that comes at the expense of everybody else not having it, so be it.

01:07:33.740 But we don't care about that.

01:07:34.940 We just care about our own power, myself, my cronies, and locking that down.

01:07:40.160 And so I really think that that's the catalyst here.

01:07:42.960 It's not necessarily that you have a cabal of people who are sitting around like Dr. Evil with, you know, the, oh, we've got to control everything.

01:07:50.600 I think it's really driven by the basic human nature, that desire to hang on to the power and the wealth as things are shifting from a global basis.

01:07:59.860 They see it coming and they want to make sure they're on top.

01:08:03.820 What do you make of this BRICS? 0.90

01:08:06.100 Because this has been in the news lately, B-R-I-C-S.

01:08:08.640 It's an acronym.

01:08:09.640 It's for a group of the world's leading emergent market leaders, including our economies, naming Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.

01:08:17.980 This sort of group is getting together, got together recently, and seems to be wanting very much to pose a threat to our role as the economic leader of the free world.

01:08:29.200 So what should we be thinking about BRICS?

01:08:31.460 Yeah, so this is a really a ragtag group of individuals.

01:08:36.460 I've sort of compared it to Dorothy and Oz working with a tin man, a cowardly lion, and a scarecrow.

01:08:43.360 Go, how do these people all, you know, fit together?

01:08:45.680 But what they were trying to do was they're trying to take down the all-powerful Oz that was controlling everything.

01:08:51.400 And the BRICS, which was really an idea that came out of a Goldman Sachs research paper that came into this organization,

01:08:58.200 they said they wanted to give themselves more of a voice and more power on the global stage.

01:09:03.120 And what we learned out of their meeting that happened just over a week ago now is that they're looking to expand their group.

01:09:10.260 So they have put out invitations to another sort of ragtag group of countries, which includes Saudi Arabia, Iran, the UAE, Argentina, Ethiopia, and Egypt.

01:09:22.460 So they're really looking to expand their heft.

01:09:25.480 And I do think that China is engineering a lot of this.

01:09:29.920 Certainly countries around the world are frustrated with the U.S.

01:09:34.600 because, as I said, we've been at the center of the global financial universe.

01:09:37.620 We hold the global reserve currency.

01:09:40.620 And with that, the Federal Reserve is supposed to hold that currency stable because it means that commodities around the world are priced in like things like oil and food are all priced in dollars.

01:09:52.460 And so if the dollar shifts wildly, it has a recourse for those countries who are big importers.

01:09:58.900 So the Fed, who sometimes has to make tradeoffs between keeping the dollar stable for our economy here domestically in the world stage, has done the amazing job of doing neither, right?

01:10:11.000 They've killed the purchasing power here in the United States. 0.74

01:10:13.860 You know, your dollar is not stable against a bag of groceries anymore.

01:10:16.800 And the same thing on the world stage.

01:10:19.460 So you have these countries like China who are huge importers of oil and food going like, we can't do this.

01:10:26.480 This is a threat to our own economic security and national security.

01:10:30.840 And then you had something that the Biden administration, something that they undertook that I think is really the point of no return here.

01:10:37.980 And that's when Russia invaded Ukraine, United States led a coalition to say, Russia, you can no longer have access to your reserves.

01:10:47.120 And so if people are keeping money in dollar reserves, U.S. Treasuries and the like, and the U.S. can then all of a sudden cut off your access at their whim, you know, that is fully weaponizing the power of the dollar.

01:10:59.820 And what countries want to give the United States that power to just be able to cut you off from the money that you're storing in their currency, which, by the way, has given them a huge benefit in terms of cheap financing of the U.S. government.

01:11:14.580 So there is this push coming from China to try to have less, not only reserves, but trade happening in terms of the U.S. dollar.

01:11:22.840 A lot of these countries have been loading up on gold as a mechanism to perhaps loosely back this trade.

01:11:30.260 And the most significant development of the ones I just talked about is really Saudi Arabia coming into that fold, which I think has a lot to do with the green push.

01:11:40.180 You know, we're trying to move away from energy.

01:11:43.100 Saudi Arabia has been our ally and has been agreeing to price everything in dollars, and they've been plowing their extra dollars, which are considered petrodollars from the oil back into U.S. Treasuries.

01:11:56.040 If we are saying, well, we don't want to do this long term and China is a big oil importer and some of these other countries, they want to get their footing secure.

01:12:05.660 You know, again, this is shoring up their own economy.

01:12:08.240 So we continue to make these decisions, you know, whether on a domestic basis or on the world stage that are just economic suicide for the country overall.

01:12:19.260 But particularly, we know that that's going to fall on the middle class.

01:12:24.280 Well, and I know that you've been drawing attention to the middle class and the struggle to get housing and get mortgages.

01:12:30.860 And unfortunately, this is something that, you know, seems kind of part of the plan.

01:12:35.400 Again, not to sound conspiratorial, but it does seem to be part of the plan that you will own nothing, including a home.

01:12:42.720 And there's been speculation about about homeowners.

01:12:48.380 Well, there's been there was an Axios report blaming homeowners and homeownership for some of the economic issues that we've had now, like the greedy homeowners are the problem.

01:12:59.000 What was that about?

01:13:01.360 Yeah.

01:13:01.900 How dare you hang on to an asset and keep wealth for you and your family and don't turn it over to Wall Street or whoever else?

01:13:11.040 I mean, the media has gone so insane in terms of their attempts to run cover for these ridiculous policies that like it almost seems like satire, like the Babylon Bee couldn't make up some of these headlines that you're now saying that it's the homeowners fault that the economy is going sideways or that the Fed is hamstringed when it was the Fed and the government who created the situation.

01:13:38.480 I mean, the home ownership situation, you know, not only did we have the horrible situation coming out of the Great Recession financial crisis, where you had around six million people who lost their homes to foreclosures and short sales at the same time that Wall Street received a bailout.

01:13:56.540 But then on the tail end of that, you had all of this cheap and available capital that was given to Wall Street, and they decided once they drove up the price of everything else that they were going to go into the single family home market.

01:14:09.540 And so, you know, you have a situation where before 2010, there was no Wall Street institutional capital in single family homes.

01:14:20.060 At the end of 2022, just over one in every five homes was purchased by a corporate buyer.

01:14:28.440 And the statistics from, I think, this past June, it was 26% of the homes that were sold that were purchased by a corporate buyer.

01:14:36.420 It is. It was the most shocking piece of research, I think, that I came up with for the book was the fact that this didn't exist in such a short period of time.

01:14:44.260 There was such a shift. And what's happening with these companies, Megan, as you can well figure out, they're not looking to fix them up and then flip them back to you so that you can have this largest asset on your balance sheet there to be able to drive wealth for you and your family.

01:14:58.580 They want to rent you the American dream. They want to take that house out of the purchasing supply and they want to make it a rental and basically transfer wealth that has been in families in middle America to Wall Street.

01:15:12.860 And it's being aided and abetted by Fed and government policy.

01:15:16.480 So you have that issue on one side that's been driving up the prices.

01:15:21.060 And then on the other side, now you've got the Fed who has been, you know, did a whipsaw in terms of the rates now that the Wall Street has gotten all their benefits out of it.

01:15:30.220 Now they have raised rates. And so even if you wanted to stretch and try and buy one of these very limited homes, which you can't barely afford because the price has gone up.

01:15:41.160 Now you've got this mortgage situation where you might be locked into a three and a half percent mortgage.

01:15:46.840 Now they're over over seven percent. You're not going to be able to sell your home or if you're a first time buyer, you're not going to be able to buy one.

01:15:52.620 And so they have you coming and going. And this is the literal picture of the American dream that they are taking away and they are moving from Main Street to Wall Street.

01:16:02.800 So what is a what's a gal to do? Right. Like what are people out there who are dealing with all these issues right now?

01:16:08.000 We didn't even talk about how gas is so much higher than it was when Biden took office, but we've got still high gas prices.

01:16:14.340 We've got still dealing with the inflation. A lot of people still struggling to pay their bills because of the inflation and the lack of corresponding high wages.

01:16:23.400 And now they can't get a home for some of the issues that are some of the reasons that you've discussed.

01:16:27.640 So like what like what is the average person supposed to do about any of this?

01:16:32.500 Yeah, it's it's really challenging. And obviously some people aren't going to be able to do that.

01:16:39.160 And so I'm sympathetic to that. But to the extent that you can, you know, it's a time to practice some personal austerity and figure out where you can cut back so that you're not putting money on credit cards and paying 22 to 24 percent interest.

01:16:54.560 Or if you have a little bit of money that you can start owning things, that you have that opportunity to start with the investment from the housing standpoint, you can take a personal stand.

01:17:05.680 I talked to our mutual friend, Dana Lash, about this. And I think when she sold her home, she said that she said families only.

01:17:12.880 I mean, that that's it, that you don't sell your house to a corporate buyer. We want everyone to get the highest price.

01:17:18.420 But, you know, understand that that means that that house is probably never going to be able to be sold and occupied by a family that owns it again if you do that.

01:17:27.580 So, you know, you can start talking to your homeowners associations and and even just taking a personal stand or getting involved in local government to try to change some of the policies around this.

01:17:40.440 Also, you know, part of the issue is that we don't have enough supply because of government policies.

01:17:46.340 So to the extent we can get more people involved at the local level, expanding the ability for new homes to be built, that's another thing that's going to help to ease the pressure here.

01:17:58.340 But we need more people who are aware and informed about things like the Federal Reserve and about government policies that are creating this issue because everybody can feel the pain.

01:18:08.900 And they know that the symptoms, but they don't know what the ailment is.

01:18:11.820 And we have so many people who are standing up and fighting back against things, but not on the financial front because they don't know where to go.

01:18:19.300 I mean, when's the last time that we saw a protest of the Fed?

01:18:23.220 I can't think of it. It was the 70s. Right.

01:18:25.640 So we need more people to be pushing back on these central planners that are just taking policy and completely using it to historically transfer trillions of dollars in wealth to their cronies at the expense of middle America.

01:18:40.840 So, you know, bottom line, do it. Do what the elite do.

01:18:43.840 Don't don't do what they or don't don't listen to what they say. Do what they do.

01:18:47.300 Yeah, exactly. Look out for it for yourself and exactly them, too.

01:18:52.140 They're not to be trusted. The book is called You Will Own Nothing.

01:18:56.640 But the longer title tells you what you can do about it. Check it out.

01:19:00.380 Carol Roth, great to see you again.

01:19:02.300 Yeah, great to see you as well, Megan.

01:19:04.200 All right. All the best.

01:19:05.100 You are my guests for this back half hour.

01:19:11.100 Who do you think will be the final competitor to Trump in the GOP primary?

01:19:15.120 Who are you rooting for? Let's game it out.

01:19:18.360 Vicky from North Carolina. Hi. What are your thoughts?

01:19:22.260 Hi, Megan. I was a little disappointed in the debate, but I thought Vivek did a great job.

01:19:30.160 I listened to a lot of his follow-up interviews the next couple of days, and there we got the full explanation of some of his answers that were cut off or maybe trivialized or taken in the wrong way.

01:19:45.560 Have you ever interviewed him?

01:19:48.340 Many, many times, Vicky. Many times.

01:19:51.660 Well, I think now's the time to revisit and say, OK, let's talk about the debate.

01:19:56.740 Let's talk about what people are talking about.

01:19:58.940 And see where he takes you.

01:20:01.520 I think he's a smart, intelligent guy.

01:20:04.880 Of course, it does look like Trump will be the outcome winner, which I'll support him if that's the case.

01:20:11.420 But I'm so sick of all.

01:20:13.040 So here's your second. Who's your second?

01:20:15.820 Vivek, for sure.

01:20:17.540 OK. Is that because he's Trump-like?

01:20:20.540 I mean, what is it about him?

01:20:21.780 He is Trump-like in the fact that he is running to the problem, not away from it, like all the politicians have been doing for years.

01:20:33.580 And I just am tired of politicians and them being backed by PAC money and, you know, the elite.

01:20:43.540 Because they're in the pockets of the elites as well as the Democrats.

01:20:46.680 I don't care who's so different.

01:20:50.120 And maybe the vague is. Time will tell us.

01:20:53.620 Well, yeah. I mean, he made all his money in pharma, which is not, you know, some people have a problem with that.

01:20:58.880 I don't know. It's just like a good way of making money as any other, if you ask me.

01:21:02.460 But that'll come back to haunt him in some pockets of the GOP.

01:21:06.180 Listen, thank you for calling, Vicki.

01:21:07.740 I appreciate you listening and weighing in.

01:21:09.680 Let's get a call going out of Florida.

01:21:12.900 Terry is in Florida.

01:21:14.340 Terry, hope you escaped the wrath of that hurricane.

01:21:17.720 OK. And what are your thoughts today?

01:21:21.120 And I did escape the wrath.

01:21:22.920 I'm actually driving back to Florida from Indiana for the summer.

01:21:26.120 So I'm in Alabama right now.

01:21:28.560 But as far as my.

01:21:30.420 Yeah. So as far as my thoughts, I love Ron DeSantis as a Floridian.

01:21:36.760 I think he is amazing.

01:21:38.700 I'm a registered independent, but I love Ron DeSantis.

01:21:42.840 I just think that Donald Trump takes all the oxygen out of the air.

01:21:47.640 So I don't see anybody which makes me sad for Ron DeSantis.

01:21:52.080 I don't want to see him as roadkill in this whole thing.

01:21:55.980 I wish he would just stay as the governor of Florida.

01:21:58.560 But I think it's too late. He's in it now.

01:22:00.940 As they say, you're done in it now, boy.

01:22:04.060 So you better do something.

01:22:06.620 Well, he may. I mean, if he loses, of course, that's exactly what he's going to do is stay just at least for the end of this last term of his.

01:22:12.780 Yes. But I think it will just tarnish him in a long term political career by having stepped in it now because Donald Trump is just you're right.

01:22:25.580 He's the gorilla. I think the things that Rebecca said are very thought provoking.

01:22:30.720 But there are some parts of him, like you said, like he wants to be na-na-na-na-na on the outside or you're not.

01:22:37.540 And I think that's so, ugh, hate that.

01:22:41.280 Do you remember that kid when you were in class?

01:22:43.240 It was like always the smartest one.

01:22:44.620 I was like, shut up.

01:22:45.860 Absolutely. Yes. Yes.

01:22:48.140 He is that guy.

01:22:49.960 Maybe I'm just annoyed because I'm not that person.

01:22:51.780 Well, that too. But he showed that during the debate and how he answered things like I'm not bought and paid on this.

01:23:00.520 Just rise above and speak your truth and don't be that guy.

01:23:05.840 Yeah. Keep it classy and stop complimenting yourself.

01:23:08.960 Like that's that's a good rule of politics.

01:23:10.500 Like stop saying how how courageous you are.

01:23:13.120 No, like there are nobody who's actually courageous talks about how courageous they are.

01:23:16.620 I've never heard a Marine once talk about how courageous.

01:23:18.600 You know, it's a it's sort of a good rule of thumb.

01:23:23.080 Yes. I love your show.

01:23:25.720 You have kept me awake and interested in my whole car ride up to Indiana, my whole car ride now back home to Florida.

01:23:34.520 Excellent. Well, now that on the way back, if we're not live, you just go and you listen to the archives because there's a lot of good stuff in there, too.

01:23:40.560 Thank you, Terry, for calling. Great to talk to you.

01:23:43.140 Stay well and stay safe out there as you as you continue, continue your drive.

01:23:46.820 All right. Let's see. Let's go to Pat in Kansas.

01:23:50.620 Hi, Pat. What's on your mind?

01:23:52.740 Hi, Megan. How are you today?

01:23:54.480 I'm great.

01:23:56.220 Good. I'm glad to hear that.

01:23:57.500 Hey, just want to let you know, I just started listening to you a few months ago and I'm so glad I found you on Channel 111 because I really enjoy your interviews and I just enjoy your style.

01:24:09.320 So thank you very much.

01:24:10.260 Thank you. Thank you very much.

01:24:12.000 So what are you thinking about this whole GOP race right now?

01:24:14.620 Well, I think it's obvious that no one's going to beat Trump.

01:24:19.060 I think the only person who can beat Trump is himself.

01:24:22.340 And I did tell your screener that I really was impressed with Nikki Haley last week and just her stance on foreign policy and how she stood her ground.

01:24:32.180 I do think that she'd make a great running mate for Trump.

01:24:36.800 I think any time that you can, and I say this cautiously, throw women or minorities in the mix, it just gives the Democrats a reason to show their true colors and to kind of go against everything that they say they stand for.

01:24:52.300 Oh, that's an interesting way to land the sentence.

01:24:54.660 You're right. Keep going. Keep going.

01:24:56.740 Yeah. I got to tell you, I'm not a fan of the vague.

01:25:00.280 I think he's phony. And I think you had a you had an interview with someone by the name of Charles last week.

01:25:08.020 Charles C.W. Cook.

01:25:09.060 Yeah, he was really good. And he kind of said it, too.

01:25:13.520 He said the vague knows that he's not running for president or he can say he's running for president, but he doesn't have a chance.

01:25:19.340 And I think the vague just wants to get in, you know, for a cabinet position, which is what Charles said.

01:25:25.800 But I just I don't trust him.

01:25:28.040 I think he's phony and I think he'll just say whatever people want to hear.

01:25:31.780 Thank you for that. Wait, can I ask my team?

01:25:35.440 Can you get that sound bite up of Trump talking about the vague?

01:25:38.200 Do we have that, guys?

01:25:40.380 I think Trump was on. Was it with Glenn? Glenn Beck yesterday?

01:25:44.400 Hello. Yeah. Hold on.

01:25:46.140 We're pulling it over because, yeah, I can hear you now, because to Pat's point, Trump kind of said something interesting about the vague, how he might consider him for something.

01:25:55.000 But then it also had a warning for him.

01:25:57.240 Do we have it, guys? Let's listen.

01:26:01.780 I think he's really distinguished himself.

01:26:07.260 He's starting to get out there a little bit.

01:26:08.940 He's a little bit getting a little bit controversial.

01:26:11.040 I can tell him to be a little bit careful because some things you have to hold in just a little bit.

01:26:18.700 Some things you have to hold in just a little bit.

01:26:21.020 That's a classic from Donald Trump.

01:26:22.840 I kind of love what he said.

01:26:24.600 I think you may have learned that lesson himself, though.

01:26:26.740 I'm not sure he's living it.

01:26:28.140 Jenny in Georgia, you've got thoughts.

01:26:30.600 Tell us what they are.

01:26:32.640 Hi, Megan.

01:26:33.480 I actually emailed you the other day.

01:26:36.600 I couldn't quite put my finger on it about Nikki Haley.

01:26:42.040 I just couldn't find my voice, the words.

01:26:45.240 Everything that you're saying about Vec, I felt about her.

01:26:48.540 I felt she was arrogant.

01:26:50.120 She was pompous. 1.00

01:26:51.740 She was the I know it all.

01:26:53.060 I've had I've taken these guys at the U.N.

01:26:56.060 I took them face to face, kind of that air, you know, that arrogant.

01:26:59.560 She was that arrogant one in the room. 1.00

01:27:01.320 I don't want to vote for Bill Kristol.

01:27:05.040 God, no one does.

01:27:06.360 Very good point.

01:27:08.140 No, I don't want that.

01:27:09.420 You're not listening to the populist.

01:27:12.680 And if you're doing your job at the U.N., you were doing the job of what the president wanted.

01:27:16.700 You were there as his voice.

01:27:18.000 You didn't make your own negotiations.

01:27:21.200 They were the voice of the people.

01:27:23.160 Second, I think the most prescient voice that should have been on that stage wasn't.

01:27:28.260 And that's Larry Elder.

01:27:29.360 I think this whole conversation would be totally different if they had allowed him on the stage, his ideas, his thoughts.

01:27:35.860 He, I think, personally would be a great running mate.

01:27:38.360 I think Vec should be chief of staff.

01:27:40.540 He could learn the ways.

01:27:42.640 He knows the law.

01:27:44.220 He's very intelligent.

01:27:46.100 And learn the ways of law.

01:27:47.240 Don't discourage him.

01:27:48.360 Let him, you know, and then he could help write these things.

01:27:52.440 No, you can't do that legally.

01:27:53.640 Here's the law.

01:27:54.900 And you advise, but you also learn.

01:27:56.760 Almost like, you know, like a mentee mentorship.

01:27:59.500 Larry Elder's voice is his ideas inside.

01:28:00.020 Usually they go for like some D.C. insider.

01:28:02.580 You know, usually they go for like the Rahm Emanuel type who's got the city wired, who can help the president understand how to get legislation through, that kind of thing.

01:28:10.680 That wouldn't be Vec, but that's not to say that he couldn't have any rule.

01:28:13.740 But, I mean, I think we're all kind of pretending a little that his candidacy is real.

01:28:16.940 I mean, we all know that there's no lane for Vivek when Trump is in this race.

01:28:21.220 There may be a lane for the others, but Vivek's not even running for the non-Trump lane.

01:28:25.480 You know, he's he's just backdrafting behind Trump, which does seem like a play at getting the VP nod or some cabinet role.

01:28:33.380 I don't know.

01:28:33.880 We'll see.

01:28:34.900 And I will interview him again soon.

01:28:37.080 I'm sure I haven't asked, but I got like I was pissed off about the 9-11 comments.

01:28:41.740 So I have to let my anger dissipate because I shouldn't like I don't like to interview people who especially who I like when I'm feeling mad about something.

01:28:48.360 So that's just my own personal because I don't want it to reflect and I want to be fair and all that fun stuff.

01:28:53.380 Jenny, thank you for calling from Georgia.

01:28:55.580 My brother lives in Georgia.

01:28:56.580 It's a great state.

01:28:57.920 OK, let's see.

01:28:58.820 Melanie in Indiana has called in.

01:29:00.660 She's got thoughts, too.

01:29:01.440 Hi, Melanie.

01:29:01.880 What's on your mind?

01:29:03.540 Hi, Megan.

01:29:04.200 So I'm calling because I find the polling so fascinating.

01:29:09.720 I think it's being manipulated.

01:29:11.160 I don't know a single person that has been polled ever.

01:29:14.620 I don't know anybody who voted for Trump the first time or the second that feels like it's this foregone.

01:29:22.540 Yeah.

01:29:23.020 Yeah, I'm serious.

01:29:23.920 Foregone conclusion.

01:29:25.740 50 point lead.

01:29:26.840 Nobody has a chance.

01:29:28.540 This whole narrative plays into a general where Trump loses because everything is Trump.

01:29:37.800 Only people are exhausted with Trump.

01:29:40.820 And yet we tolerate his terrible attitude.

01:29:44.420 And then we pick apart every little nuance, whether it's Vivek or Nikki Haley or DeSantis.

01:29:50.420 I thought I'm open minded.

01:29:52.220 I want to hear them all more.

01:29:54.620 I want to hear more issues.

01:29:56.020 I want to not criticize their personalities and just let them talk about the issues because the polls are never right at this point out.

01:30:04.140 But yet here we are right now talking as if it's from God's mouth, our mouth to God's ears that Trump is it, setting ourselves up for that foregone conclusion in the primary, which sets us up for this, which is why I think there's some, you know, back end manipulation of what everybody calls the polling data that's out there.

01:30:24.560 Because in general, he's going to say, you know, he's you made a good point about getting tired of Trump because I think he did worse.

01:30:39.760 You know, when he ran for reelection and then the midterms that followed when people had been exposed to him day after day after day.

01:30:47.620 Like there's been a break from Trump and the chaos that was around him to some extent when he was in office.

01:30:52.720 And, you know, you kind of forget.

01:30:53.840 It's like how you get back together with an old boyfriend who maybe wasn't that great for you.

01:30:57.580 You kind of forget.

01:30:58.740 You only remember the sunny moments.

01:31:00.200 And then before you know you're back together, you're like, oh, my God.

01:31:03.560 So that there could be some factor of that.

01:31:05.440 There's also definitely a factor of name recognition in those polls.

01:31:08.180 So I don't know that they're being manipulated.

01:31:09.560 But for sure, people, if they don't have a strong feeling, a lot of them had never even heard of Vivek Ramaswamy before that debate.

01:31:15.460 They see Trump like, oh, Trump, I know Trump.

01:31:17.360 I like.

01:31:18.140 So, you know, you could be on to something there, Melanie.

01:31:20.360 Thank you for calling in with your thoughts.

01:31:22.560 Let me get Matt in Texas on.

01:31:24.760 Matt's got some thoughts.

01:31:26.000 Welcome, Texas.

01:31:27.280 What's going on, Matt?

01:31:29.240 Hey, Miss Megan.

01:31:30.300 First off, this is an honor.

01:31:32.000 And I want to thank you because I'm self-employed, spent a lot of time on the road.

01:31:36.720 And you're riding shotgun with me every day from 11 to 1.

01:31:40.880 You know, in my opinion, you took Rush Limbaugh's spot in the truck.

01:31:45.040 And so it honors me that I'm getting to talk to you.

01:31:48.780 That's amazing.

01:31:49.740 Thank you for saying that.

01:31:51.560 Oh, you're welcome.

01:31:52.320 And in doing so, you have been super influential in a lot of my thinking.

01:31:57.280 And as a registered Republican, I'm excited at the chance of getting to vote for RSK.

01:32:03.120 And you've been plugging him.

01:32:05.680 And even, I'd say, your friendship you've had with him over the past two years has just really opened my eyes.

01:32:13.780 And, yes, I was enthusiastic about Trump at 16.

01:32:17.820 And I haven't been enthusiastic since.

01:32:21.180 But I've kind of got that same excitement again that it's like, we got a chance to do this again.

01:32:27.040 We got a chance to push his message.

01:32:29.440 And it's people like you who aren't found by the left and right that are bringing people like him into the forefront.

01:32:36.500 So I want to thank you for that.

01:32:39.600 Well, thanks, Matt.

01:32:40.700 I do like RFKJ.

01:32:42.160 I think I, you know, I don't really know him personally.

01:32:44.680 It's not like we get together in our downtime, but I would.

01:32:47.560 I've got a lot of respect for him.

01:32:49.120 And I don't think he's in any way the lunatic that his critics paint him as being.

01:32:55.000 And, you know, if you stay open minded on these guys, you know, it's like a it's it is in some ways like a relationship, though, like you get mad at them.

01:33:01.840 Like I said, I was mad at Vivek.

01:33:04.260 I wasn't happy when RFKJ went after Moms for Liberty.

01:33:07.240 Like, what?

01:33:07.860 What are you saying?

01:33:08.440 But then you remind me he's a Democrat.

01:33:09.980 There's certain boxes he has to check.

01:33:12.780 It's just like we all have this relationship with our politicians.

01:33:15.580 And as a journalist, some of them tick you off.

01:33:18.520 And then you got to get yourself back to center where you cover him normally and fairly and all that fun stuff.

01:33:23.020 But in my new job, I get to be transparent about how I feel and where I am on that emotional journey.

01:33:29.720 And I love hearing from you guys, Matt.

01:33:31.040 I love hearing from all of you guys on where you are.

01:33:33.520 And hopefully we stay open minded and have our highs and lows together as we go through this process.

01:33:37.280 Eventually, it's going to result in a president.

01:33:39.660 Could be the same one.

01:33:42.040 Could be the one from the last term.

01:33:44.900 Could still potentially be somebody brand new.

01:33:48.080 Thank you guys all for calling.

01:33:49.740 You can email me, too.

01:33:50.820 We're going to get to the mailbag at some point.

01:33:53.240 Probably next week now.

01:33:54.640 That's Megan, M-E-G-Y-N, at megankelly.com.

01:33:58.020 And we do read them all.

01:33:59.420 And then my team puts it together for me.

01:34:01.140 And I read the big.

01:34:02.180 I don't get to read every single email.

01:34:04.160 But I get to read the summary.

01:34:05.180 And I get to read a lot of individuals.

01:34:06.300 So I see a fair percentage of them.

01:34:08.660 Okay.

01:34:08.960 So email me.

01:34:10.080 And we're off tomorrow and Monday for Labor Day, the end of summer.

01:34:13.000 But I want to tell you, we've got some exciting announcements for you next week.

01:34:17.020 Including I'll be in a new studio when we come back on Tuesday.

01:34:20.000 I'm super excited for you to see it.

01:34:22.540 Have a great long weekend.

01:34:23.780 Talk soon.

01:34:26.880 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 31, 2023

McConnell's Alarming Freeze, Biden's Decline, and Elites Saying We'll ＂Own Nothing,＂ with Glenn Greenwald and Carol Roth ｜ Ep. 619

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