The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Drools Over Trump Mug Shot, and Vivek Beats the Press, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:16.380 Can you believe it's Monday again? How did we get back to Monday so quickly?

00:00:21.520 Remember Friday?

00:00:24.020 Here on Monday, the press continues to celebrate the Trump mugshot photo.

00:00:29.060 We were off when it hit, and we've got some thoughts on it, which I'll get to in a minute.

00:00:35.420 Meantime, a shooting in Jacksonville, Florida, has captured the most media attention of perhaps any recent mass shooting.

00:00:42.660 Why is that? Well, of course, the circumstances.

00:00:45.720 The victims, the perpetrator, and the DeSantis angle hit all of the media's interests in the exact right combination.

00:00:53.020 Joining me now for the full show, Stu Bergeer. He's host of Stu Does America on Blaze TV.

00:00:59.700 And Dave Marcus is a columnist and author. Guys, welcome back to the program.

00:01:04.460 So let's start with Trump, just because I haven't talked about it yet since we were off on Friday.

00:01:09.440 The mugshot scene around the world, the totally unnecessary mugshot, right?

00:01:13.600 Literally the most famous man in the world. If he decides to jump bail, we're good.

00:01:18.780 We're going to be able to find him, as he pointed out in his enormous plane, which reads Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump all over it.

00:01:24.780 Never mind just his face, which everyone knows.

00:01:28.020 So the absurdity and the political nature of this prosecution makes itself clear just in the mere act that he had to do it.

00:01:33.060 What do you guys make of the sternness, the seriousness? There was speculation about whether he should smile and just own it.

00:01:39.660 He decided to go in sort of badass faced, like F off. That's what that picture says to me. Go F yourselves.

00:01:49.440 I don't know. Could have gone another way. What do you think? Stu, you like it or you don't like it?

00:01:53.460 I think I like it. I mean, I think the proof is in the pudding. How much money did he raise off of this thing?

00:01:57.920 You know, it's a it was incredible. Yes. $7 million, the biggest day of his entire campaign.

00:02:04.960 So the proof is in the pudding there. It certainly was the right way to go, I guess.

00:02:08.740 I remember an old Texas politician, Tom DeLay, a congressman who decided to go in and get his mugshot taken with the biggest like it's the first day of school smile on.

00:02:20.020 And in some ways it was effective because it was like you can't put it in the scary political ad because he looks too goofy and happy.

00:02:27.240 I thought that might be the way Trump went and said he went with sort of this.

00:02:32.000 I'm almost menacing. I'm going to get revenge for what you're doing to me. Look, you're right.

00:02:37.580 And it was powerful. I think people related to it. And, you know, the central plank of his candidacy right now is not even what he did when he was president.

00:02:45.940 It's what they're doing to him now. And every single time people see this, they're reminded of it.

00:02:50.860 What do you think, Dave? He nailed it or he should have gone another way.

00:02:53.460 Yeah, no, I think I agree with Stu. I mean, I guess the other option would have been something along the lines of that, like, taco bowl shot from Cinco de Mayo.

00:03:03.520 Actually, in my head, I've sort of like photoshopped the mugshot onto that image.

00:03:08.400 It amuses me.

00:03:09.480 But, yeah, I mean, look, he does appear to be taking it seriously.

00:03:14.940 I'm sure this is something that they discussed and I'm sure that this is what they landed at.

00:03:18.880 It is a dramatic photograph. His eyes are very much locked on the camera.

00:03:23.440 And one of the things that we know about Trump is that he jumped he jumps through the screen.

00:03:27.820 You know, not every politician does. And I think you absolutely see that in this image.

00:03:34.040 And I am glad that he's taking it so seriously in the image because I've been feeling this real disconnect between this being the greatest threat to our democracy of our lifetimes.

00:03:46.080 And I absolutely believe that it is. And on the other hand, you know, everyone's running around gleefully selling mugshot merch.

00:03:52.700 I worry that that people aren't quite taking this yet as seriously as they need to.

00:04:00.320 So I'm glad that the that the that the image was a serious one.

00:04:04.200 Yeah. On both sides. Right. The right is selling the mugshot merch just to say, you know, it's a middle finger like screw you.

00:04:10.360 We're going to embrace this. This doesn't scare us off of Trump.

00:04:12.960 And the left is doing it because this is they've been wanting this moment from the moment he won.

00:04:17.680 They've been after him.

00:04:19.220 I have to say my own reaction to it was I was glad for the penetrating look.

00:04:26.180 As you say, he penetrates the lens because it was a reminder of just how I feel about it, too.

00:04:30.880 Just how deeply wrong this is, how serious it is, how this is an existential moment for our country in a lot of ways.

00:04:37.320 Not that America collapses if he gets convicted, but the rule of law will never be the same again.

00:04:42.260 It'll never be the same again after the arrests. Never mind a possible conviction.

00:04:45.820 They crossed a line we'd never before crossed. It's deadly serious. It's deeply wrong.

00:04:51.300 We've gone through the reasons many times with our audience and he should be out there scowling.

00:04:56.940 It's worth a scowl and it's it's worth an angry and potentially threatening look like you turn about as fair play.

00:05:05.120 And if you don't think if President Trump wins again, Hunter Biden's going to jail for something, maybe Joe Biden's going to jail for something.

00:05:13.660 You haven't been paying attention. And these same Democrats who are defending the four prosecutions of Trump will be crying foul.

00:05:20.080 And the rest of us will be sitting there saying, you started this just like you did with the filibuster erasure.

00:05:26.380 You started it. So it's on right. It's on the double standards.

00:05:31.140 It's probably going to be the theme of today's show when we get to what's happening down in Florida, too.

00:05:35.700 But in the meantime, still, we've got news out of the federal prosecution of Trump over the January 6th case.

00:05:46.760 There are two. Right. There's the Mar-a-Lago documents case, and that's going to be tried in federal court in Florida.

00:05:52.440 And then there's the January 6th federal case by Jack Smith.

00:05:55.940 That's going to be tried in Washington, D.C. Not to be confused with the January 6th state case for which he just posed for a mugshot in Fulton County down in Georgia.

00:06:06.600 And the New York case is a hot mess that'll take place whenever up in New York state.

00:06:11.440 Now the judge in the Jan 6th federal case has set the trial date for March 4th, 2023, literally the day before the Super Tuesday vote.

00:06:23.680 But that's it. I said to my team, isn't that date already out there?

00:06:27.860 Didn't. Why do I already know about that date for this for Trump?

00:06:31.240 They reminded me it's the date Fannie Willis, the Georgia prosecutor, wanted for her case.

00:06:37.000 So now you got two out of the four prosecutors trying to set their criminal trials against him starting the day before Super Tuesday.

00:06:45.320 I'm I'm sure it's totally coincidental, Stu, that that day had no, no, no bearing for them on the politics.

00:06:51.080 Just a dart thrown at a calendar, Megan. That's all it was.

00:06:55.500 It's fascinating here. You know, it's funny. Every time a Democratic president takes office, they all claim that they will be the most transparent administration in history.

00:07:04.080 Biden seems to be lifting living up to that because this is the most transparent effort I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:07:11.120 I mean, it's almost a joke, right? Like when he's talking, Donald Trump is talking about election interference and these efforts.

00:07:19.220 Even if you don't think it's criminal election interference, it certainly is election interference.

00:07:24.940 They are getting in the way of the process that is allowing us to select the person we believe should be leading our country.

00:07:30.800 They are jamming themselves in the middle of it because they cannot bring themselves to believe that the American people might just choose Donald Trump again.

00:07:39.560 And they might. But they're doing everything they can to derail that process.

00:07:43.560 And you think back to previous times when we talked about Hillary Clinton's investigations and previous situations where the DOJ would be looking into this.

00:07:53.320 They were very clear and careful to stay away from any election period because they didn't want to influence the process.

00:07:59.720 And now it's constant. They took two years to do anything.

00:08:04.420 They had those two years. They could have been investigating and charging him through two years when he wasn't running for president.

00:08:09.680 They waited till he started. They waited to see how this is going to play out.

00:08:13.800 And then they try to jam themselves right in the middle of the process a day before it's, you know, it's over a dozen states are going to be voting.

00:08:20.000 It's going to be the thing that's on everyone's mind if this date holds.

00:08:23.740 And regardless of what the outcome is, they are influencing it in a major way.

00:08:28.620 And that's not the way our country is supposed to be operating.

00:08:31.540 A couple of details on the surrender.

00:08:34.900 He spent about 20 minutes of the jail. He was fingerprinted.

00:08:37.820 He had his mug shot taken. He was assigned an ID number, PO 1135809.

00:08:45.260 The booking record lists him as having blonde or strawberry hair, height of six feet three, weight of 215 pounds,

00:08:52.300 which is 24 pounds less than the White House doctor reported him weighing back in 2018.

00:08:57.280 CNN had a meltdown over this discrepancy in the weight because you can't trust Trump on everything.

00:09:03.600 And he needs to be called out for any lie. Hello. There's not a person on Earth who hasn't lied about their weight.

00:09:08.880 But OK, this is what they decided to spend their time on.

00:09:12.400 Take a take a look at CNN on Thursday night.

00:09:14.240 So he's lost 25 pounds since he was president, is what we're understanding.

00:09:20.900 We're looking at the document.

00:09:22.100 Yeah, white male, six, three, 215 pounds, hair, blonde or strawberry, eyes blue.

00:09:28.080 Did he fill that out as too blonde or strawberry?

00:09:30.960 Or is that I think all of this was how does that how does that how does strawberry end up on a book?

00:09:36.660 That's a good question.

00:09:41.260 OK, it's possible somebody took a guess.

00:09:45.420 It's possible somebody took a guess at his weight or took his word for his weight.

00:09:48.300 This is not what we should be spending our time on.

00:09:51.800 He posted a link to his website.

00:09:55.480 First Twitter or now X post since he was booted off a couple of years ago and linked to his account.

00:10:02.540 He tried to raise money off of it all, understandably.

00:10:05.560 And he is selling.

00:10:08.440 I think a mug, right?

00:10:09.880 It's a mug.

00:10:10.680 Is it a mug?

00:10:11.480 No, it's just the mugshot.

00:10:12.600 Anyway, in any event, his caption under his mugshot read never surrender.

00:10:16.960 So, Dave, what we saw on CNN was Caitlin Collins coming out and saying, oh, it's ironic.

00:10:22.900 He should post never surrender because that's exactly what he was forced to do down in Georgia.

00:10:27.340 You have to go in and surrender himself as though this is a he meant it literally like he's only a tough guy.

00:10:34.280 If he runs from the law and makes them track him down, capture him and drag him to the court.

00:10:40.940 Otherwise, you're not a man.

00:10:42.040 Yeah, I mean, this is this is how he's broken the brains of so many journalists on the left.

00:10:49.980 You know, and it is hyperbolic.

00:10:52.300 It is true.

00:10:52.860 The first piece I ever wrote after Donald Trump won, I was writing a federalist at the time, and it was it was a piece right as he became president about how to understand him.

00:11:03.000 You have to understand the outer boroughs of New York, that he's a Queens guy, right?

00:11:08.020 It's hyperbolic.

00:11:09.160 It's big talk.

00:11:10.880 We kind of understood that.

00:11:13.160 And Selena Zito caught on to that, right?

00:11:15.340 It was Selena who said that his the people who don't like him, you know, take him seriously, but not take him literally, but not seriously.

00:11:23.820 And the people who like him take him seriously, but not literally, and that the media has just never learned their lesson.

00:11:30.320 And what I don't think they understand is that when they prattle on about this nonsense of like, is he really 215 pounds?

00:11:37.200 Did he really shoot a 67 at Bedminster?

00:11:40.100 People watching them know that they look absolutely insane and don't take their word on the very serious things that they're also lying about.

00:11:49.080 So, yeah, it's it's just but again, this goes back to my feeling that nobody understand.

00:11:55.900 Like, OK, so let's say this trial happens the day before, you know, the days before Super Tuesday.

00:12:02.340 What does that actually look like?

00:12:04.480 Are there going to be mass protests?

00:12:07.300 I mean, we saw what happened the last time we tried that.

00:12:10.260 Are we just going to, you know, sell more T-shirts to own the libs?

00:12:13.940 I mean, what's the plan here?

00:12:15.440 It's it's getting kind of close now.

00:12:17.240 Meanwhile, the polling data is out to some extent on the criminal trials and the debate.

00:12:25.240 And this is what we're seeing so far.

00:12:28.920 Politico slash Ipsos had a poll from August 18th to the 21st, a thousand plus adults.

00:12:34.080 And the question was, should the federal trial on Trump's election subversion case?

00:12:41.180 This is the one we're discussing that now they want on March 4th, Super Tuesday, take place before the presidential election in November 2024.

00:12:50.420 Sixty one percent said yes.

00:12:52.040 So that's I mean, that's a healthy majority wants the trial before the reelection battle or the election contest in November.

00:13:10.980 Do you believe he's guilty of those alleged crimes?

00:13:14.480 Total, 51 percent say yes.

00:13:17.340 Eighty eight percent of Democrats, 53 percent of independents, only 14 percent of Republicans.

00:13:21.720 We know it's not resonating within the GOP.

00:13:24.920 That's why he's, you know, 50 points ahead in most of these polls or at least the latest poll.

00:13:30.660 And then last but not least, the question was a conviction in his election case would hurt Donald Trump in the general election.

00:13:38.000 Thirty two percent said it would make them less likely to support him, including one third of independents.

00:13:44.140 Only 13 percent said it would make them more likely to support Trump.

00:13:48.860 So overall, these are not great numbers for him, right, that the vast majority want the trial before November.

00:13:53.760 That's not what Trump wants. And a majority thinks he's guilty, including 53 percent of independents who he will need if he wants to get reelected.

00:14:03.400 What do you make those numbers do?

00:14:05.140 I think they're I think they're difficult for conservatives to hear.

00:14:09.100 I think, you know, I work at the Blaze, Blaze TV.

00:14:12.680 I work on the Glenn Beck program and I talk to people all the time in our audience and other media personalities and such on the conservative side that come through here.

00:14:20.260 And I think most people are pretty much aligned in the idea that there's a real persecution going on here of a political opponent and the DOJ is out of control.

00:14:31.460 It's been weaponized and it's almost unanimous when it comes to the conservative side of the argument.

00:14:37.060 When you look at the polling and it's not just the poll you cited, there are many others that say the exact same thing.

00:14:42.140 As you'd expect, Republicans and Democrats are split on this, right?

00:14:45.340 Democrats are, you know, Trump is guilty and basically Hitler and Republicans say that he's innocent.

00:14:51.960 The numbers, if you compare those two groups, are better for Democrats.

00:14:55.520 In other words, people are more unified on the Democratic side than they are on the Republican side.

00:14:59.880 There is still a small slice of Republicans who still see Trump as committing a crime.

00:15:06.120 But the numbers in the middle are really ugly on this.

00:15:10.400 Now, that could change.

00:15:11.380 We have to pay attention to them.

00:15:12.560 We have to pay attention to them.

00:15:13.420 It's really important.

00:15:14.680 Whether you agree or disagree with them, the independents are going to control the election, most likely, if history is any guide.

00:15:20.560 Keep going.

00:15:21.540 Yeah.

00:15:21.860 I mean, you see, it's a two to one margin in most cases among independents.

00:15:26.260 You know, sometimes it's three to one when you're talking about these negative, the negative outlook here.

00:15:31.360 Most people don't view this and don't look at every document that comes out and don't obsess about this stuff like people who listen to the Megyn Kelly show do every day and really follow this stuff.

00:15:42.420 And I think it's important for us to understand.

00:15:44.420 Now, that can change.

00:15:45.280 Trump's defense might be excellent.

00:15:46.720 He might get off on all these charges.

00:15:48.080 There's a lot of different ways that this can go.

00:15:50.380 But it is scary.

00:15:51.400 And when you look at polling, I think a lot of times people on the right get lulled into a false sense of security by seeing, OK, it's like Biden 43, Trump 42.

00:16:00.320 Well, those outstanding numbers are are really soft for Donald Trump.

00:16:06.500 The extra 15, 16 percent that are going to make the decision on who the next president is have an opinion that is really out of line with conservatives on this.

00:16:16.340 I think they're open to Donald Trump, you know, being president potentially.

00:16:21.020 But they are coming into this with a negative view.

00:16:23.580 They're not viewing this as persecution.

00:16:24.980 They're viewing this as he must have done something wrong.

00:16:27.220 Look how many charges are against him.

00:16:28.840 That may fade over time, but it is something that Republicans and conservatives really have to take seriously.

00:16:33.940 And more than anybody else, the president, the former president needs to take it seriously, because if if he's not able to get through this and present a case to people, that is that is something more than, well, people always treat me unfairly.

00:16:45.780 He's going to have a difficult, difficult time.

00:16:47.860 And I think there's going to be a lot of surprised people on the right.

00:16:49.960 The real clear politics average of the post-debate polls, Dave Marcus shows no movement overall.

00:17:00.840 Trump at 55 a week ago.

00:17:03.220 Next closest was DeSantis at 14.

00:17:06.640 Now, real clear politics average, Trump at 55, DeSantis at 14.

00:17:11.200 OK, so now that is factoring in a New York Post poll that gave Trump a much bigger lift than the other polls in included in the average do.

00:17:24.120 New York Post has Trump at 61, DeSantis at nine, whereas the other polls taken since the debate show.

00:17:31.300 Well, I'll give you an example. Reuters, Trump, 52, DeSantis, 13.

00:17:34.920 Insider Advantage was the best one for DeSantis.

00:17:37.100 It showed Trump at 45, DeSantis at 18.

00:17:39.800 Morning Consult, Trump at 58, DeSantis at 14.

00:17:42.940 The New York Post gave Trump a better boost and DeSantis worse numbers.

00:17:47.120 New York Post not known for its polling with respect to them.

00:17:49.460 Haven't seen them included in the real clear politics average yet.

00:17:52.240 This is new to me.

00:17:53.400 So I don't know about their polling and how reliable it is.

00:17:55.500 But my point overall is with or without the New York Post, it's barely changed.

00:17:59.040 If it's changed at all, it's barely changed.

00:18:02.100 And the debate didn't change it.

00:18:05.040 Nothing we've seen on the campaign trail has changed it.

00:18:08.320 And yet, back to Stu's point and the discussion we just had, the independents are not in love with Donald Trump.

00:18:15.140 And they actually think that there may be some credence here, some credibility with these charges, and they want to trial sooner rather than later.

00:18:23.500 Yeah, look, I think a big part of this is going to be what the nature of Trump's defense,

00:18:29.120 both inside and outside of the courtroom is.

00:18:32.280 And I'm talking about the election interference cases.

00:18:34.280 I think the classified docs case, I mean, Biden had them too.

00:18:37.780 I don't think that resonates.

00:18:38.800 The New York one is ridiculous.

00:18:39.900 But on the alleged election interference, there's really two different defenses that can be made.

00:18:47.160 One defense is, regardless of whether there was something funny going on with the election or not,

00:18:54.500 President Trump had every right to take the actions that he took, as did his alleged co-conspirators.

00:19:01.260 They were simply, this is just politics.

00:19:03.420 They did nothing wrong.

00:19:04.580 He could make that defense.

00:19:06.060 The other defense that he could make is the election was rigged.

00:19:08.840 And I think as far as independents go, they're going to be a lot more open to the, you know,

00:19:16.100 I thought something funny was going on and I had every right to do this, rather than relitigating once again,

00:19:22.700 all of the questions about, many of the questions are completely legitimate,

00:19:28.020 especially around the changing of laws in different states and COVID and all that.

00:19:33.880 But I'm not sure that independents have much of an appetite to talk about 2020 anymore.

00:19:40.600 I don't think they do either.

00:19:41.880 And yet this is what the Democrats and they're all Democrat prosecutors have forced upon us.

00:19:46.300 They forced it upon us that we're going to spend the next year and a half talking about that

00:19:49.060 instead of the issues that people really care about.

00:19:52.200 In fact, there was just a poll out on that, which is also interesting,

00:19:55.140 sort of getting back to what what do people care about?

00:19:57.300 Like what's motivating the voters when you ask them, you know, what's most interesting to them?

00:20:01.880 I'm looking for my notes, but I just off the top of my head.

00:20:04.220 I remember number one was the economy and inflation.

00:20:07.320 Number two was immigration.

00:20:08.980 Well, we're not talking about that.

00:20:10.520 And we're not going to be talking about that because we're going to be talking about January 6th,

00:20:13.700 January 6th, January 6th, Trump and Stormy Daniels and Mar-a-Lago documents,

00:20:18.520 none of which amount to shit.

00:20:20.480 I'm sorry, but it has absolutely nothing to do with anybody's life.

00:20:24.680 And so this is, you know, you could blame Donald Trump for it.

00:20:27.180 I think the proper blame belongs on these Democrats who are using all those things

00:20:31.040 to distract from the issues that actually will motivate most voters

00:20:34.420 because they understand there's an electoral advantage in it still, right?

00:20:38.460 They're they're manipulating.

00:20:40.620 It is election interference.

00:20:41.900 They're manipulating all of us so that we don't talk about the issues people care about.

00:20:45.200 We just talk about this other crap.

00:20:48.600 Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing.

00:20:50.140 And they're in.

00:20:50.920 And this was such a focus of the founders to try to stay away from this.

00:20:54.680 You know, the reason why the impeachment process exists.

00:20:57.340 I mean, you could have easily gone through.

00:20:59.060 They could have easily designed a system where we have the normal legal system.

00:21:02.340 And when people get convicted, they get thrown out of their jobs.

00:21:05.200 They didn't do that because we all understand that in these political situations,

00:21:10.200 people are very likely to misuse this power for their own advantage.

00:21:14.880 And it's happening in front of our eyes here.

00:21:19.240 Instead of just allowing, there's two easy ways to sort this out.

00:21:22.760 You have the impeachment process, which, by the way, as we all know, they tried twice.

00:21:26.420 They tried to do this twice and it didn't work.

00:21:28.900 This was the process outlined by our founders when a politician has these types of issues.

00:21:34.580 How do you deal with it?

00:21:35.740 Impeachment is the way you deal with it.

00:21:36.960 OK, well, that didn't work.

00:21:38.180 Well, what about the voting then?

00:21:40.400 Let's just let voters handle it.

00:21:41.900 We've had two years to look at all this.

00:21:43.520 They've had they did an entire primetime after school special about the January 6th

00:21:48.380 commission, and we were all forced to watch it and we took in all this information.

00:21:52.140 Why did we do all that?

00:21:53.520 We all we have all this information.

00:21:55.720 People are informed as to what happened on those days and now can make their own decision.

00:22:01.380 But instead of trusting the American people, they're doing this.

00:22:04.680 They're trying to get in the way.

00:22:05.700 They're trying to manipulate it both ways.

00:22:07.600 They seem to want more attention and to to induce the reaction from Republicans to say,

00:22:13.860 hey, this is wrong.

00:22:15.260 I'm going to defend my guy at all costs.

00:22:17.480 And they seem to want to make him to be the nominee because I guess they think they can

00:22:22.620 beat him a strategy, but which, by the way, has failed before for them.

00:22:26.180 And then on the other side, they're going to have potential convictions.

00:22:30.800 They're going to do everything they can with the media to turn people against Donald Trump

00:22:35.080 and the outcomes of these trials.

00:22:36.640 And then they think they have an easy path for a guy sitting in his basement to win the

00:22:40.340 presidency again.

00:22:42.000 It's a risky strategy from their from their sense, because as you point out, the scowl,

00:22:46.320 I think, indicates how they will how he will treat Democrats, how forgiving he will be

00:22:51.200 of this if he is elected president again.

00:22:54.120 Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.

00:22:55.680 When he was talking to Tucker, he made he made a point of saying, you know, I I will represent

00:23:00.500 everybody, not just the Republicans, but the Democrats do.

00:23:02.940 But leadership, the people like in charge who are doing this to him.

00:23:06.440 Yeah, they're they're going to get it.

00:23:07.620 And I can't say that I really care.

00:23:09.660 I mean, like, I don't want our country to devolve any further than it has, but I would completely

00:23:14.080 understand the turnabout.

00:23:15.080 I mean, I understand the people right now who are saying there should be turnabout at

00:23:18.880 this moment.

00:23:19.660 Why isn't there an impeachment inquiry on Joe Biden?

00:23:21.500 I mean, an actual impeachment proceeding under like fight fire with fire.

00:23:25.300 Why do the Republicans keep rolling over?

00:23:27.060 I'm not advocating for it, but I understand the instinct like they will not.

00:23:30.980 The Democrats will stop at nothing.

00:23:32.700 They'll stop at nothing.

00:23:33.860 You know, and they're going after DeSantis now, too.

00:23:35.900 I'm not saying that they would impeach him immediately upon taking office or try to like they did

00:23:39.720 with Trump.

00:23:40.620 Trump's a unique individual, but I wouldn't put it past them.

00:23:44.080 And meanwhile, there's this actual person people forget, Dave.

00:23:48.880 Trump is an actual man.

00:23:49.980 He's 77 years old.

00:23:51.400 And when I listened to him in the in the Tucker interview, you know, there were moments where

00:23:55.340 he sounded like.

00:23:57.220 I don't know, kind of tired to me, a little bit wiser.

00:24:01.340 You know, he did have quite a few statements that were sort of inclusive and a little softer

00:24:05.700 toward political opponents.

00:24:07.380 And I thought, this is interesting.

00:24:08.600 This is probably what comes with age and some time to reflect on the role you held.

00:24:14.180 Yes, there were some controversial statements, too, about Tucker prodding him on.

00:24:17.420 Are we headed for civil war, civil war, civil work?

00:24:19.880 But Trump, to me, seemed, I don't know, a little tired and perhaps a little worn out by

00:24:25.860 what he's been put through.

00:24:27.280 This is prior to his surrender.

00:24:29.120 Here he was talking to Greg Kelly on Newsmax the night that he was, you know, subjected to

00:24:33.700 the mugshot and the arrest and the fingerprints in SOT2.

00:24:38.440 Terrible experience.

00:24:39.720 I took a mugshot, which I never heard the words mugshot.

00:24:43.440 That wasn't didn't teach me that at the Warton School of Finance.

00:24:46.660 It's a very sad experience.

00:24:47.920 And it's a very sad day for our country.

00:24:51.260 This is a weaponized justice department.

00:24:53.640 What they want to do is they want to try and wear you out, which they never do.

00:24:58.540 But they want to wear you to go about just an absolute horrible thing that they're

00:25:03.560 doing.

00:25:03.980 And I've never seen anything like it.

00:25:05.980 This is third world country.

00:25:09.580 OK, can I just say one thing, Dave?

00:25:11.560 I think it's interesting.

00:25:12.740 He said they want to wear you out, but they never do.

00:25:14.900 Now, I think Trump's got more energy than any 77 year old I've seen.

00:25:18.540 However, there's a reason he brought that up.

00:25:21.100 There's a reason he said that phrase to me.

00:25:23.640 It's like it's in his head and he's only human.

00:25:25.920 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:29.120 He's only human.

00:25:30.040 You know, I just just to tack on one thing to to what Stu and what you were saying, Megan.

00:25:34.900 I mean, we're all assuming that Democrats are even going to let him on the ballot.

00:25:38.380 And there really could be efforts in a lot of states.

00:25:42.280 Some have already started to not.

00:25:43.940 New Hampshire in particular.

00:25:45.360 Right.

00:25:45.780 To say, well, you can't even be on the ballot.

00:25:47.720 But and look at how that just just to just to explain that the push right now is that

00:25:53.940 he's already somehow disqualified himself by, quote, participating in or aiding and abetting

00:25:58.920 an insurrection, which under the 14th Amendment, they claim would make him ineligible.

00:26:04.680 This is not a crime he's been charged with anywhere.

00:26:06.540 He is not charged with that.

00:26:08.320 But they want to just say he did it anyway and therefore he can't run.

00:26:11.920 So keep going.

00:26:13.220 Yeah.

00:26:13.460 No, you know, it was a provision after the Civil War, really, to make sure that

00:26:16.920 a former Confederate general, right, can't can't wind up being President United States.

00:26:21.500 But yeah, he's got he's got to be feeling all of this and he's got to realize on some

00:26:29.720 level that there is a very strong possibility that he's going to be convicted on some of

00:26:36.080 these counts.

00:26:36.580 Now, he's a fighter.

00:26:38.080 And I think that he sees a way through this, which is to fight and to win the presidency.

00:26:43.680 And I and I think, Megan, part of what I think you I think you noticed something very apt

00:26:49.620 about the way that he's been talking over the past three or four months, his surrogates

00:26:56.020 have had that super trolly, like insulting DeSantis, you know, calling him all kinds of

00:27:02.040 names and stuff.

00:27:02.660 And, you know, Trump has used Rhonda Sanctimonious, but he he hasn't been as aggressive, at least

00:27:10.760 on video himself talking as he was in 2016.

00:27:15.260 And I think maybe he's maybe he's learned that it's better to let some of his his surrogates

00:27:19.920 do some of that stuff and allow himself to come off a little more presidential, which

00:27:24.700 which I think he did.

00:27:25.400 But I wonder whether he's learned that it's better to let the surrogates do it or whether

00:27:32.480 he's just naturally arrived at a place where he's feeling a little bit more magnanimous

00:27:38.440 about this country, about the people in it who disagree with him, because Trump actually

00:27:43.880 does have a fair amount of supporters from groups you would never think would support

00:27:48.860 Trump.

00:27:49.180 I mean, I honestly I was struck by the number of clips all over social media this weekend

00:27:54.940 of black Americans who you would definitely just instinctively say are probably Democrats

00:28:01.860 and probably are not going to vote for Trump.

00:28:03.320 Just look at the numbers, the raw polling data who are like, I am 100 percent voting for

00:28:08.160 this guy now after the mugshot, after what they just did to him.

00:28:12.460 Some guys coming out and saying if this guy somehow manages to escape a conviction, I'm all

00:28:16.820 in this, you know, MF is not going down and I'm going to stand right now.

00:28:20.860 Like there was such a groundswell.

00:28:22.460 I was like, you know, I don't know.

00:28:24.060 I just think Trump, I don't think he actually he hates.

00:28:26.780 I don't think he hates Democrats.

00:28:27.920 I think he's been a Democrat his whole life.

00:28:29.880 And while he hates the Democrat leadership, and I think he will try to get them, I just

00:28:35.060 see sort of a wisdom coming over him where he's like, it's the country.

00:28:37.900 I love the country more than they do.

00:28:39.940 Maybe I'm crazy, but that's that's what I'm feeling, Dave.

00:28:43.740 No, I look, I don't think that you're crazy at all.

00:28:46.140 And the big difference between Trump and Trump's Democrat opponents is that or Republican

00:28:52.160 opponents for that matter, but specifically with the Democrats is Trump attacks politicians,

00:28:56.060 right?

00:28:56.840 Trump plays by mafia rules.

00:28:58.540 If you're in the game, then you're in the game.

00:29:01.300 Donald Trump does not insult Democrat voters.

00:29:04.440 Donald Trump does not insult the American people.

00:29:07.520 And yet the Democrats insult Trump voters, you know, every time they open their mouths and

00:29:13.840 everybody knows that.

00:29:14.920 And that's why Trump's line about I'm the one in between them and you resonates so much

00:29:21.200 with voters.

00:29:22.460 No, I don't.

00:29:23.140 I don't think Donald Trump hates the American people who disagrees with them.

00:29:28.000 And that's a very good thing.

00:29:29.620 And yeah, that gets that gets lost in his in his rough and tumble persona.

00:29:34.340 But boy, that that's that's an awfully huge difference that I think Americans feel because

00:29:38.520 they don't like being insulted by politicians.

00:29:41.700 And meanwhile, Stu, you have Joe Biden who could not just try to keep it classy.

00:29:46.560 You know, he could he was fresh off of his trip in the middle of his one month vacation

00:29:52.120 for his few hours on the ground in Maui where he's falling asleep and he's mispronouncing

00:29:57.740 everybody's name and he's trying to compare his kitchen fire and the possible engagement

00:30:03.200 of his cat to the death of potentially a thousand people, including hundreds of children.

00:30:08.300 Potentially, we know only have 115 plus deaths now, but it's we're so missing over 800 more.

00:30:14.720 So fresh off of that, he's asked about the Trump arrest mugshot.

00:30:19.080 I mean, this is this is actually an upsetting day, an upsetting moment for millions of Americans

00:30:23.620 are very angry about what's happening to Donald Trump and worried about what's being done

00:30:29.780 to him and that about their own vote, not counting now because they're going to lock

00:30:33.120 up their candidate.

00:30:34.040 The thing that Biden claims to care so much about here was how he decided to comment on

00:30:39.540 the mugshot Friday as he continued his vacation in Lake Tahoe.

00:30:46.620 He's booed as he came out.

00:30:49.000 Have you seen Donald Trump's mugshot yet?

00:30:50.760 Mr. President, are you worried at all about that?

00:30:54.840 I did see it on television.

00:30:56.800 What'd you think?

00:30:58.180 Handsome guy.

00:30:59.640 Wonderful guy.

00:31:02.280 Handsome guy.

00:31:03.180 Wonderful guy.

00:31:04.780 God forbid, Stu, God forbid he take the moment to say, you know, I'm not going to comment on

00:31:09.900 that.

00:31:10.240 That's going to play out in the criminal justice system.

00:31:12.560 It's not appropriate for a sitting president to weigh in.

00:31:15.360 I'm sure this is an upsetting day for those people who support Donald Trump.

00:31:18.680 And as always, as president, my heart remains with them and with the country that it's so

00:31:23.800 fucking simple.

00:31:24.740 Why don't you just say that?

00:31:26.180 Don't say something snarky about his looks, which you don't mean.

00:31:31.260 Yeah.

00:31:31.480 I mean, what was his first reaction as he was turning himself in was to tweet a link to

00:31:35.580 raise money for his campaign, not to say that this is an important moment.

00:31:39.340 I can't believe, yeah, Biden, this is what he did.

00:31:43.100 Look, it's fascinating to watch.

00:31:45.240 He has been terrible.

00:31:47.120 I mean, through the Maui thing, which is a whole different situation and through this

00:31:50.340 as well.

00:31:50.940 And he comes off.

00:31:52.280 It's an interesting dynamic because I think if you go back and you look at the Trump

00:31:55.840 2016 campaign, obviously, we're talking serious business.

00:31:59.200 This is politics.

00:32:00.060 We're talking about running the country, the most powerful job in the world.

00:32:02.820 But at some level, like Trump, in a way, almost gamified the 2016 campaign.

00:32:08.840 There was this sense, like, did he actually believe that Ted Cruz's dad shot JFK?

00:32:14.140 Like, no, it was, you know, of course he didn't.

00:32:16.640 He just said things and he had fun with it.

00:32:19.340 And, you know, he was insulting everybody and making up nicknames.

00:32:22.500 And like, you can argue whether or not you think that's the right way to do things.

00:32:25.840 But he seemed like he was having fun at some level through that period.

00:32:29.720 And he was enjoying it and he realized it was sort of a battle.

00:32:33.820 Everyone was in a debate where everyone kind of knew that their knives were out, but it

00:32:38.580 was still we're all looking towards the same thing.

00:32:41.480 His approach here, it feels different.

00:32:43.860 I feel like he's now been hit with a realization that this is a totally different time.

00:32:52.100 They are coming after not just his campaign, but his life.

00:32:55.520 They want to remove every free day he has on this earth from his possession.

00:33:01.400 That is literally what they're trying to do in front of our eyes.

00:33:04.440 And if you if you don't get serious under that circumstance, you're never going to get

00:33:08.820 serious.

00:33:09.340 And he really is.

00:33:10.340 I think he's looking at this in a way that is is is correct.

00:33:14.380 And he sees this threat for something that it is, which is not only just a threat against

00:33:19.680 him and every day of freedom that he has, but a total turning point for our country.

00:33:24.400 You know, you can't look at this and take it out of the context of what's happening in

00:33:29.080 2016.

00:33:29.660 He said, lock her up, lock her up, lock her up.

00:33:31.860 Did he mean that?

00:33:32.680 We know he didn't mean it because he didn't pursue it for at all, seemingly as soon as

00:33:37.540 he was elected.

00:33:38.200 In fact, on stage a couple of weeks later said that was during the campaign.

00:33:41.940 I think we're past that.

00:33:43.660 Here's a situation where they all said that was a banana republic.

00:33:46.920 They all said on the left that this was terrible to say lock her up just to say it at a rally.

00:33:51.420 Right. And yet here they are in the middle of the campaign doing this exact thing to

00:33:56.340 their lead political opponent with not one instance of irony.

00:33:59.560 I mean, it's perplexing, but it has to really put you in a position where you realize you're

00:34:04.480 fighting for your life.

00:34:06.880 We talked about double standards at the top of the hour, and we're going to get to more

00:34:12.180 of that in just a minute as we discuss this latest shooting down in Jacksonville, Florida,

00:34:17.380 and the accusations against Ron DeSantis, who had nothing to do with it.

00:34:22.160 But of course, his opponents are trying to make it his fault.

00:34:25.440 Stand by more with Stu and Dave right after this.

00:34:31.120 So there was a shooting down in Jacksonville, Florida, and it involved we don't say the name

00:34:37.320 of these shooters, but it involved a white man who I think was 21 years old who went into after

00:34:43.560 trying to go into an HSBC, HBSC, OK, sorry, but historically black college, but was turned

00:34:50.620 away, got went over to a Dollar Tree store and shot and killed three black people.

00:34:59.720 Then he killed himself, the white shooter.

00:35:01.660 And the police went back to his house.

00:35:04.340 They found his manifesto.

00:35:06.100 He apparently had a couple of them, which were, according to the sheriff, just the work

00:35:10.640 of a madman.

00:35:11.380 I mean, the sheriff just said, I mean, I'm trying to quote here, but he said he was an absolute

00:35:16.440 madman.

00:35:17.000 He said he had his wits about him, quoting manifestos, quite frankly, the dire of a madman.

00:35:21.520 He was just completely irrational.

00:35:23.680 He was 100 percent lucid.

00:35:25.500 He knew what he was doing, but he was a nutcase, right?

00:35:29.220 So like his musings were all over the board, according to the sheriff.

00:35:32.460 And yet they were very focused on race.

00:35:34.660 And he did kill three black community members down in Jacksonville.

00:35:39.380 So DeSantis, this is, of course, Jacksonville, Florida.

00:35:42.200 DeSantis shows up at the vigil that was being held for those who were killed, the victims,

00:35:47.140 and they start booing him there.

00:35:49.660 Then a councilwoman, a Democrat, gets up to defend him.

00:35:54.980 So listen to this.

00:35:55.720 We're not going to allow these institutions to be targeted by people.

00:36:13.280 Hold on.

00:36:15.100 Let me say this.

00:36:16.800 Thank you.

00:36:17.880 Thank you.

00:36:19.840 Okay, listen, y'all.

00:36:21.780 Let me tell you, we finna put parties aside.

00:36:24.760 Because it ain't about parties today.

00:36:28.520 A bullet don't know a party.

00:36:31.360 So don't get me started.

00:36:33.020 Y'all, y'all just be quiet just a minute and let the governor say what he gonna say.

00:36:38.560 Good for her.

00:36:42.700 We'll get to the bad behavior that followed.

00:36:45.620 But just let's just pause on good for her.

00:36:48.200 Right.

00:36:48.420 It's not about party today.

00:36:49.800 God bless her.

00:36:50.620 If only more people could go that route in the wake of these tragedies.

00:36:55.040 Dave, your thoughts.

00:36:56.520 Yeah, it was really inspiring to see, you know, and we don't see those kinds of inspiring moments

00:37:01.460 in our politics very often, as you, you know, just mentioned about Joe Biden talking about the

00:37:06.820 the this crisis of in regard to the election, just being a jerk about it.

00:37:11.460 This this woman, I mean, he is a jerk.

00:37:13.060 Right.

00:37:13.300 But I mean, this woman took it seriously and really made the point that.

00:37:20.940 We're all at risk from this.

00:37:23.700 Right.

00:37:23.880 I mean, there are, you know, we had the Nashville shooting with the trans manifesto.

00:37:29.640 We have this shooting with a racist manifesto.

00:37:31.980 We have all these people who who are just going crazy in our society.

00:37:36.840 We're in a very bad place with race and we don't listen to each other.

00:37:41.060 And really, I think more than anything, she was saying, show respect and and listen.

00:37:47.820 Let's listen to each other.

00:37:49.240 And we don't do that very well as a society anymore.

00:37:52.740 We call each other.

00:37:53.700 We're very good at calling each other names.

00:37:55.880 We're very good at blocking out information that we don't want to hear, but we're not very

00:38:01.220 good at listening to the other side.

00:38:02.520 So, yeah, good for her.

00:38:03.460 That was that was really, really good to see.

00:38:05.900 Right.

00:38:06.020 Her name is Councilwoman Jacoby Pittman.

00:38:09.340 And, you know, she inserted herself, took the mic and told the folks there, be respectful.

00:38:13.920 Right.

00:38:14.080 This isn't about party today, Stu.

00:38:15.460 And I only wish that that was the total reaction to DeSantis and this whole thing, just because

00:38:22.480 it happened in his state.

00:38:23.720 That's, of course, not where it ended.

00:38:26.260 I'll just give you a flavor before I get to the other messaging of how DeSantis, what his

00:38:31.640 messaging was.

00:38:33.500 It's kind of interesting.

00:38:34.620 I'd love to get your reaction.

00:38:35.620 Take a listen to SOT 6.

00:38:36.520 HBCUs in the state of Florida and get away with it.

00:39:00.100 We're going to hold you accountable.

00:39:02.400 We're not going to let it happen.

00:39:06.120 HBCUs, historically black colleges and universities.

00:39:08.680 By the way, afterward, Jeffrey Rumlin, a pastor at the Dayspring Church in Jacksonville, took

00:39:13.300 to the mic and said, respectfully, Governor, he was not a scumbag.

00:39:16.260 He was a racist.

00:39:17.840 Kind of interesting.

00:39:18.820 There's no question this guy had racist rantings in his manifesto.

00:39:21.720 But there's also a serious question about whether were those the just the racist ramblings

00:39:25.820 of some madman who just like hated everybody and decided that, you know, we've seen us

00:39:29.340 before where they just decide to turn their lunacy on one particular group of people at

00:39:34.160 the end.

00:39:35.040 Or is this somebody who was bred and born, you know, like racist his whole life and this

00:39:38.400 is all about his racism?

00:39:39.780 It seems from what we've heard so far, it was the former.

00:39:43.020 But I don't know.

00:39:43.880 You tell me, Stu.

00:39:44.520 I thought the governor's tone was maybe a little off for this particular setting, but that's

00:39:51.720 you know, DeSantis isn't really the touchy feely kind.

00:39:56.040 Yeah, that's that's definitely true.

00:39:57.540 I think, you know, and we will learn everything, I'm sure, about this this killer and everything

00:40:02.280 that he's ever thought and every bad thing he's ever said.

00:40:04.820 And he was every from all reporting an absolutely horrible human being.

00:40:10.500 I don't necessarily the distinction between racist and scumbag.

00:40:14.860 Not much of a distinction to me.

00:40:16.360 If you're a racist, you're a scumbag.

00:40:18.180 So, I mean, it kind of means the same thing to me.

00:40:20.860 I guess if you're a scumbag, you're not necessarily a racist.

00:40:23.880 So there's some separation, but I don't know that it's all that important of a distinction.

00:40:30.200 I do think that, you know, it's interesting to watch this because you do see with with

00:40:33.760 the with the woman you spoke of earlier taking a across the party aisle sort of stance and

00:40:39.580 saying, hey, don't don't, you know, boo the governor, let him say what he's going to

00:40:43.160 say.

00:40:43.420 And that's an overt example of it.

00:40:46.280 Like booing a Republican just because he's a Republican in a moment like this is an overt

00:40:50.840 example of that sort of bias.

00:40:52.680 But like we're seeing in the reporting on this story, a much more subtle version.

00:40:57.860 I mean, I have to say, like, I a loss of three people is incredibly tragic and it's terrible

00:41:03.920 that this could possibly happen in this country or any country.

00:41:07.520 But you have to think that if if it was one white person killing three white people, we

00:41:13.400 probably wouldn't even be aware of the story today would not be a national story.

00:41:16.840 If the story didn't happen in Florida, we probably wouldn't have had this story because

00:41:22.520 of this DeSantis tie, the racism motivations.

00:41:26.400 Look, they're important to understand.

00:41:28.300 Anytime there's a murder like this, you need to know something about the motivation so you

00:41:31.540 can try to prevent them going forward.

00:41:34.200 But if it was something else, if it was a gang incident, I mean, these things probably

00:41:38.520 happened in six or seven other spots this this weekend and we didn't hear anything about

00:41:43.080 it.

00:41:43.440 And that is the same type of bias.

00:41:45.600 It's the same bias as booing a governor standing in front of you.

00:41:48.780 It's the exact same thing.

00:41:50.020 They're utilizing this for political purposes.

00:41:53.140 They're using this tragedy to their own ends in the media.

00:41:56.900 And that needs to be called out just as much as the people booing in the crowd.

00:42:01.800 Well, we just went just a quick Google search.

00:42:04.880 And just last month, July of 2023, there was a suspect in Georgia, a mass shooting that killed

00:42:12.720 four people.

00:42:14.460 The suspect is black.

00:42:16.600 All victims were white.

00:42:18.020 And of course, the mother later said the suspect had needed mental health for nearly a decade,

00:42:23.080 but they couldn't force him to get treatment.

00:42:24.720 That got almost no coverage, right?

00:42:27.140 Where the shooter was black and the four victims were white, but did not see wall to wall coverage

00:42:31.740 on that at all.

00:42:33.800 Now you've got Tulsa, Oklahoma.

00:42:35.540 Just a couple of months before that, in April 2023, black man charged with murder in possible

00:42:41.160 hate crime after shooting two white strangers in the back of the head.

00:42:45.300 Authorities in Tulsa investigating whether this black man who went in and killed two men was

00:42:51.940 because of their race.

00:42:52.920 They said he allegedly murdered the two strangers with he had no connection with by going into

00:42:57.700 the public library at 940 a.m., walked up behind one poor man and shot him right in

00:43:03.520 the back of the head while the guy was just sitting there in the library and then went on to a nearby

00:43:07.860 quick trip convenience store allegedly shot James McDaniel, another victim in the back of the head

00:43:13.180 charged with murder.

00:43:15.640 But again, this wasn't everywhere, despite the horrific circumstances.

00:43:19.220 I mean, this is horrible, horrible because the race of the perpetrator and the victims didn't

00:43:25.500 line up.

00:43:26.080 Same situation down in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana.

00:43:28.240 In April, one victim here, but the murder was motivated by race.

00:43:33.680 They arrested a 23-year-old and a 25-year-old in connection with the murder of a white victim

00:43:40.180 who was shot and killed while installing his mailbox outside of his home or a mailbox.

00:43:45.200 The bullet went through his back and out his chest.

00:43:47.680 Under questioning, one of the defendants who were black said that they wanted to kill a white person.

00:43:54.660 Well, I didn't see that everywhere.

00:43:55.840 I didn't see wall-to-wall coverage like we saw this weekend of this because it didn't

00:43:59.820 happen in Florida where the sitting governor has, you know, a decent chance, I guess, if

00:44:05.640 Trump decides to quit of winning the Republican nomination.

00:44:10.220 And I don't want to racialize any of these unnecessarily, but it's just it's what the

00:44:13.620 left instinctively does.

00:44:14.720 And I realized this guy said in his manifesto that he had hatred for blacks.

00:44:18.740 But to elevate this like it's indicative of who we are is a lie still.

00:44:24.280 It is absolutely a lie.

00:44:28.020 And it's so common.

00:44:29.920 I think we're just all used to it and we should completely reject it.

00:44:33.800 You know, there was a time where it felt like this was fading away.

00:44:37.880 And I grew up in the 80s and 90s.

00:44:39.220 I remember thinking that this was just nonsense.

00:44:42.220 I mean, racism was a literal joke.

00:44:45.140 You would make fun of people for anyone who expressed anything like this would be would

00:44:49.500 be a joke.

00:44:50.240 You go back to the mid 2000s.

00:44:52.980 Polls showed about 72 or I think 72 percent of Americans believed racial relations were

00:44:59.160 in a good place.

00:45:00.640 And that included the overwhelming majority of African-Americans who also believe that it

00:45:04.660 wasn't just white people saying it was good and not understanding the truth about it.

00:45:08.200 And since then, we decided to apply this new medication where we're going to instead say,

00:45:14.840 OK, well, let's change up the format.

00:45:16.800 Let's let's get rid of that old the old MLK vaccine and let's put on the Ibram X.

00:45:21.100 Kendi vaccine and see how that one works.

00:45:22.840 And and this one's going to instead say, well, all white people are racist, no matter what

00:45:27.380 they say.

00:45:27.940 And all black people are victims and are incapable of accomplishing anything without the with

00:45:32.680 the white man in the way.

00:45:33.600 And let's just test that one out on a society and see how that goes.

00:45:37.760 And the polls have changed completely.

00:45:39.440 I think it was from 72 percent down to 44 percent of people believe now that that things

00:45:44.520 are are progressing well racially.

00:45:47.500 And look, you know, this person individually who shot these people in Jacksonville seems

00:45:53.240 like a complete lunatic and has other indications in his manifesto that he had other, you know,

00:46:00.000 deep mental challenges here, to say the very least.

00:46:03.200 Some sort of a hold, a mental health hold when he was 15 or 16.

00:46:07.400 So five or six years ago, where under the state's Baker Act allows people to be involuntarily

00:46:12.740 detained and subject to an examination for up to 72 hours during a mental health crisis

00:46:16.740 that happened to him.

00:46:18.800 Former classmate describing him as introverted, socially awkward.

00:46:22.480 A neighbor said he was on some sort of a medication.

00:46:24.800 He got off of it probably a few days or a couple of days ahead of that.

00:46:27.340 That's probably when he snapped.

00:46:28.320 That's speculation.

00:46:29.020 But there was a history here.

00:46:31.420 Keep go ahead.

00:46:32.040 Yeah, I mean, there was a real this person may just be insane with crazy racial flares,

00:46:39.360 or it could be an ideological racist that, you know, was reading all sorts of books from

00:46:44.100 nutjobs.

00:46:44.720 Who knows?

00:46:45.700 But the point is, like, you know, there isn't a heightened racial tension going on right now.

00:46:52.380 Applying these sorts of solutions that we're being told are going to solve the problem of

00:46:56.840 doing the exact opposite.

00:46:58.020 I mean, we all make fun of, like, Bud Light because they, you know, they gave a can to

00:47:02.160 somebody, to Dylan Mulvaney, and all of a sudden there's tanks, there's, you know, sales tanked

00:47:07.520 by 20 or 30%.

00:47:08.580 But at least Bud Light isn't continually doing that all the time.

00:47:12.860 Like, we are, we've implemented this solution.

00:47:16.020 We've dropped how people feel about the positivity of racial relations by 30 and 40 points over a

00:47:23.180 decade, and no one seems to want to reverse course.

00:47:25.980 The only answer is double down, triple down, quadruple down, take another booster of the

00:47:30.640 Ibram X candy vaccine.

00:47:32.060 It seems like we're going down the wrong road.

00:47:33.900 And these results, while we should keep it in perspective, this is not how America is.

00:47:39.580 It's not like constantly people are being shot like this.

00:47:42.120 This is always taken out of context by the media.

00:47:44.780 But it is a real problem.

00:47:47.020 And what we're doing is making it worse, not better.

00:47:49.340 And they keep fueling the fire.

00:47:50.060 I want to get to what President Biden said and this congresswoman going after Ron DeSantis

00:47:55.860 directly, blaming the whole thing on him.

00:47:58.180 Not to mention what Vivek said on the Sunday shows in an interesting exchange with Chuck Todd.

00:48:02.580 That's next.

00:48:03.220 Stand by.

00:48:03.640 So Joe Biden reacted to the shooting down in Jacksonville, saying white supremacy has no

00:48:12.720 place in America.

00:48:14.280 Hate must have no safe harbor.

00:48:16.840 Silence is complicity and we must not remain silent.

00:48:21.020 I don't remember him saying anything in response to the three black on white shootings I just went

00:48:28.120 through to name just a few.

00:48:30.060 Right.

00:48:30.340 Never mind black on black shootings.

00:48:32.460 Never mind white on white shootings.

00:48:35.000 He only cares when it is white on black.

00:48:39.800 And that's when he does believe silence is complicity.

00:48:43.260 White supremacy, no place in America.

00:48:45.340 Neither does white hatred by blacks or any other group that also has no place in America.

00:48:49.280 But you won't find the president speaking out about that.

00:48:52.060 Tell it to Florida State Rep Angie Nixon, who decided this was all the fault of Ron DeSantis.

00:48:59.260 Listen to her.

00:49:01.180 Follow statements.

00:49:02.080 This is a governor who has done nothing but fan, fan these types of, of happenings throughout

00:49:09.340 our, our, our state.

00:49:10.520 The governor has blood on his hands.

00:49:13.120 He has had a attack, an all out attack on the black community.

00:49:17.800 He, with his, uh, anti-woke policies, which we know very well was nothing more than a dog

00:49:25.000 whistle to get folks up and riled up in the way in which it just happened on yesterday.

00:49:32.080 Oh, got it, Dave.

00:49:34.340 He riled folks up intentionally.

00:49:37.080 And that's what directly led to this shooting.

00:49:38.960 This is a racket.

00:49:41.220 And it goes back to what Stu was saying about there having been a period of time in America

00:49:46.140 when we really were turning the corner on racial issues.

00:49:49.900 What the left decided to do right around the year 2000 is when it happened is there was

00:49:55.520 no, there was no longer sufficient overt racism.

00:49:58.980 So they said, well, racism isn't an overt act anymore.

00:50:02.600 Racism is stuff that you don't even know you're doing.

00:50:04.780 It's your privilege.

00:50:05.740 It's, and white supremacy is systemic, right?

00:50:08.040 It's not a thing that you do.

00:50:09.200 It's a thing that you are.

00:50:10.480 Uh, and they claim that all of, all of this invisible white supremacy manifests itself in

00:50:17.360 shootings and violence and, and all these things with absolutely no evidence to support

00:50:21.840 that whatsoever.

00:50:23.000 Uh, they've made, as Stu pointed out, Americans believe that, that race relations are far, far

00:50:28.880 worse, uh, than they were 30 years ago.

00:50:31.920 This has been an unmitigated disaster.

00:50:33.800 And if we don't return to the idea of the colorblind model where Joe Biden absolutely

00:50:39.440 can say that anti-white rhetoric is, is, is a problem too, uh, then we're going to be

00:50:46.100 stuck with this.

00:50:46.580 I wrote a piece years ago called in 2016 called anti-white rhetoric is fueling white nationalism,

00:50:52.160 where I said, if asking white people to examine themselves and their whiteness this way, it's

00:50:58.000 not going to turn out the way you want.

00:50:59.520 It's not going to lead to some, you know, white catharsis and an egalitarian society.

00:51:04.800 It's going to lead to more tribalism and it's going to lead a lot of white people, particularly

00:51:09.340 those who don't think of themselves as particularly privileged to feel some resentment at the fact

00:51:15.020 that their tribe is the only one that doesn't get the special benefits of victimhood.

00:51:19.300 So this is a horrible mess.

00:51:21.560 Mm-hmm.

00:51:22.180 This, uh, woman, we just played representative Angie Nixon.

00:51:25.360 Uh, she went on to tweet out, this isn't a mental health issue.

00:51:28.120 This is a systemic racism issue, period.

00:51:31.240 It's kind of hard to believe Ron DeSantis and his condemnation of the shooter when he

00:51:35.500 continually pushes anti-black policies.

00:51:39.560 Okay.

00:51:40.720 Uh, and he created an environment ripe for this by getting, I mean, really, what, what

00:51:46.120 has he actually done that she's complaining about?

00:51:47.680 He's, he's trying to get critical race theory out of schools.

00:51:50.100 That's it.

00:51:50.820 Where you're teaching little black children that they're somehow less than because of the

00:51:56.400 color of their skin and teaching the little white children that they have the guilt of

00:52:00.480 their forefathers, 400 years or 200 years ago, who they may or may not have been related

00:52:05.260 to, right?

00:52:06.220 It's like, that's basically what critical race theory is.

00:52:09.200 Um, then there's Florida state representative, Anna Eskamani Democrat, who says DeSantis says

00:52:14.800 the, uh, here that targeting people based on their race is completely unacceptable.

00:52:18.480 And yet he's built an entire political career on race baiting and culture wars, targeting

00:52:24.600 people, targeting people via awful policies for who they are.

00:52:28.240 Absolutely disgusting stuff.

00:52:30.700 I mean, what's disgusting is to just loosely use the murder of three innocents to advance

00:52:36.800 your own political agenda against a sitting Republican governor.

00:52:39.820 That's what's being done to him here.

00:52:41.500 Stu, he's tough enough to take it, but this is what happens every time they would not be

00:52:46.220 saying this.

00:52:46.680 If you had a same facts, you had a white shooter killing three black innocents in a state that

00:52:53.160 was controlled by a blue state Democrat.

00:52:56.780 There was no way this woman would have said anything, even if the Democrat had been more

00:53:01.360 moderate and had also been opposed to critical race theory.

00:53:03.640 It's about his politics.

00:53:06.060 Yeah, it's and it's completely transparent and honestly revolting.

00:53:09.260 Like it's a horrible part of the human instinct to try to take advantage for your own gain

00:53:16.100 and your own party's gain of a tragic shooting like this.

00:53:19.680 And now for her to talk about what DeSantis has done to black people, it's completely ridiculous.

00:53:25.900 I mean, first of all, his his election showed that African-Americans in the state were far

00:53:30.820 more likely to vote for him than most Republicans across the country.

00:53:35.140 He had obviously a wide reelection and his way of dealing with the CRT issue in schools

00:53:41.840 was to appoint an African-American, among others, to design a curriculum that would tell black

00:53:46.580 history accurately.

00:53:49.160 It's it's it's terrible.

00:53:51.240 And it's a lot of this is, I think, downstream of this idea that Dave was just talking about

00:53:56.800 earlier and that like when you take a situation where we had all kind of realized, all right,

00:54:02.300 look, the whole skin color thing is stupid, right?

00:54:05.180 Like we all understand we should be judging people based on merit, not based on the color

00:54:10.020 of skin, the color of skin.

00:54:11.440 We all look back at that and think it was a terrible idea.

00:54:14.180 Let's get away from that.

00:54:15.780 And what the left has done to push back against that idea for some reason is instead of embracing

00:54:20.860 it and saying, thank God we've we've we've come over this important hurdle and we've made

00:54:24.940 a lot of progress toward positive ends, has instead looked at it the other way and say,

00:54:29.120 instead, let's now make race the most important thing.

00:54:32.560 Let's look at it as the only qualification that you need to consider.

00:54:36.280 Let's make it number one in front of everyone all the time.

00:54:38.840 Every issue will be viewed through that prism of race.

00:54:41.280 And what happens when you tell a country that race is the most important thing?

00:54:46.680 Well, some people are going to take that the wrong way and say, well, yeah, it is the

00:54:50.460 most important thing.

00:54:51.620 And, you know, you know, my dad was a white supremacist and now maybe I will be, too.

00:54:56.780 Instead of allowing people to progress, they put people in these racial, you know, I don't

00:55:03.580 know, rings and they instead are captured in there and decide they have to make it the

00:55:07.540 most important thing and fight for.

00:55:08.800 What you're getting at what you're getting again that we have zero evidence that anything

00:55:12.280 any public figure has said had anything to do with the shooting.

00:55:15.260 Zero.

00:55:16.520 But you're saying that if we're living in a racialized cauldron, it's the

00:55:20.460 fault of the Democrats who are pushing this back into our faces.

00:55:24.800 This is similar to the point that Vivek Ramaswamy was making recently.

00:55:29.280 And he's but he was all over the Sunday shows and I thought did a masterful job of defending

00:55:33.580 himself.

00:55:34.280 And this point much better on this stuff than he is on the bullshit 9-11 trutherism.

00:55:40.580 That's clear.

00:55:41.240 Um, he went out there and said something about Ayanna Pressley.

00:55:46.660 She is a black woman.

00:55:49.100 She is a congresswoman.

00:55:50.280 She's part of the so-called squad.

00:55:52.220 And he was in Iowa and was talking about how she is part of the problem.

00:55:58.440 He says she's a member of the squad.

00:56:00.460 I think we have this on tape.

00:56:01.520 Actually, let's listen to Vivek on Ayanna Pressley as he's talking about neo-racism on the left.

00:56:07.940 I have experienced racism comes from the modern left at a scale unimaginable because I think

00:56:17.700 they feel a sense of betrayal.

00:56:19.640 Ayanna Pressley, she's in the Congress today.

00:56:21.600 She's a member of the squad.

00:56:23.800 Her words, not mine.

00:56:25.100 We don't want any more black faces that don't want to be a black voice.

00:56:30.120 We don't want any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice.

00:56:37.700 Ibram Kendi, here's what it says.

00:56:40.140 Opening lines.

00:56:41.880 The remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.

00:56:45.600 The remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.

00:56:49.880 So the other side will gaslight you when you say this stuff.

00:56:51.940 It's like, oh, you're just making that critical race theory stuff up.

00:56:54.940 No, no, no.

00:56:55.460 These aren't my words.

00:56:56.520 These are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern KKK.

00:57:04.480 OK, so that last bit turned into a segment on CNN with Dana Bash over the weekend where she

00:57:11.740 pressed him on suggesting people like Kendi, people like Ayanna Pressley are akin to the

00:57:18.400 modern day grand wizards of the modern day KKK.

00:57:21.460 Listen.

00:57:21.580 You know, I'm sure the KKK was responsible for more than a century's worth of horrific

00:57:27.980 lynchings, rapes, murders of black people.

00:57:31.440 How in any way are the views you're talking about comparable to the views and atrocities

00:57:37.500 committed by the KKK?

00:57:39.040 What I said is the grand wizards of the KKK would be proud of what they would hear her say because

00:57:46.060 there's nothing more racist than saying that your skin color predicts something about the

00:57:52.060 content of your viewpoints or your ideas.

00:57:53.900 You didn't just say they would be proud.

00:57:55.300 You said these are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern KKK.

00:58:02.580 It is the same spirit.

00:58:04.080 You're right about that, Dana.

00:58:04.980 I think it is the same spirit to say that I can look at you and based on just your skin

00:58:09.400 color, that I know something about the content of your character, that I know something about

00:58:13.500 the content of the viewpoints you're allowed to express for Ayanna Pressley to tell me that

00:58:17.980 because of my skin color, I can't express my views.

00:58:20.740 That is wrong.

00:58:21.580 It is divisive.

00:58:23.720 First of all, isn't it great to see him fight back?

00:58:25.620 It's so great to see like a Republican running for president, like running for office.

00:58:29.780 So this is a big office.

00:58:30.840 He's just not back down at all to her.

00:58:32.640 Like, I'm not buying into your racial bullshit if these are the people who are dividing

00:58:36.280 us, not me, not not my side that you want to blame everything on you in the press.

00:58:41.380 And he he did it in Iowa earlier in that first speech I just showed you the clip of where

00:58:46.300 he said the thing about the KKK.

00:58:47.920 He said, this is a great point talking about the neo-racism on the left.

00:58:51.940 He cited a post made by journalist Kara Swisher after the debate, and she called him Vivek

00:58:58.680 Rama Smarmy.

00:59:00.380 She tweeted out best nickname I've heard so far for this tech bro, Rama Smarmy and years

00:59:06.920 below leaving comments open for on this one for now on the and he he said, imagine if

00:59:12.320 that came from someone at a right wing rally at me.

00:59:17.480 These are the same people who would be on the case taking an ethnic last name and mispronouncing

00:59:23.920 it or coming up with a nickname like that.

00:59:25.860 He's so right.

00:59:28.260 He's so right, Dave.

00:59:29.620 How you could never get away with Vivek Rama Smarmy, a brown skin man running for president

00:59:36.080 if he were a Democrat and you would set it as a white person.

00:59:41.080 No, of course he's right.

00:59:42.520 And this is the essence of critical race theory, that racism can only happen essentially, I

00:59:49.120 mean, from white people.

00:59:50.280 I mean, they're pretty blatant about this because they view it in terms of a power dynamic.

00:59:54.600 They view it in this sort of culturally Marxist way.

00:59:57.360 And, you know, Vivek is absolutely spot on to call it out.

01:00:00.820 And I think we all need to about two years ago.

01:00:04.100 I think one of the best guys on these issues is Brown University professor Glenn Lowry.

01:00:09.720 And I saw Glenn Lowry on his podcast make a point to to his co-host John McWhorter, where

01:00:15.640 he said white people need to stop being afraid to call this stuff out, because for the past

01:00:21.840 15 or 20 years, I think most white people have felt like, well, who am I to really weigh

01:00:26.360 in on this?

01:00:27.060 Maybe I just keep my mouth shut.

01:00:28.480 I don't want people to call me a racist, whatever it is.

01:00:31.160 And he says that, you know, Lowry was like, that's not helping.

01:00:34.780 Like that leaves the entire responsibility to us.

01:00:38.780 We need your help in this.

01:00:40.560 And so I hope that that, you know, Indian Americans and white Americans and Hispanic

01:00:45.500 Americans and every American will call this out for what it is.

01:00:48.760 And it's racism.

01:00:50.000 As Vivek said, if you think that someone's skin color gives you valuable information about

01:00:56.280 them and, you know, unless you're their doctor, then that's racism.

01:01:00.860 The other thing he did, Stu, was back on the subject of the shooting in Jacksonville, made

01:01:07.300 the case that this is a mental health problem and that we've seen it over and over.

01:01:11.480 First, he said we have a mental health epidemic and we need to the courage to bring back

01:01:15.840 psychiatric institutions.

01:01:17.620 Hello, 100 percent.

01:01:19.780 Been saying that for years.

01:01:20.920 And he's right.

01:01:22.240 And then he got into an interesting exchange with Chuck Todd on really who's behind these

01:01:28.520 race based crimes.

01:01:29.700 Isn't it always the people on the right?

01:01:32.120 Interesting that Chuck Todd didn't get into the politics of the black people who shot all

01:01:36.820 those white people that I just went through.

01:01:38.560 I didn't see him do that.

01:01:39.640 I didn't see him go back and figure out what their manifesto said.

01:01:42.980 He just wanted to zero in on this one and listen to that exchange.

01:01:47.420 How do you think there are more race based violent crimes on the right than on the left?

01:01:53.000 Why is this a little more pervasive, a lot more pervasive on the right?

01:01:58.440 Well, the fact of the matter is, I think that there's a lot more violence that's also pervasive

01:02:02.300 in parts of the country that supposedly are left-wing voter based on.

01:02:06.480 Do you ignore the elements that allowed this manifesto to spread online?

01:02:11.620 Well, the fact of the matter is, I do think we have two standards that we're even applying

01:02:14.560 if we're having a conversation about manifestos.

01:02:16.780 We still have not yet even seen the manifesto of that transgender shooter in Nashville of a

01:02:22.660 Christian school.

01:02:23.580 And yet here we're focusing on the motive.

01:02:25.920 So if we want to look at this through a politicized lens, let's look at what the political media

01:02:29.660 and the political establishment is doing differentially in how they analyze different crimes and then

01:02:34.540 create a new narrative around it.

01:02:35.820 Do you believe racism is a mental health issue?

01:02:40.560 Well, I do believe that racism in many cases is manufactured in a way that creates more racism

01:02:46.100 in this country.

01:02:47.000 I cannot think of a greater way, Chuck, of driving racism in this country than to take something

01:02:53.280 else away from someone based on the color of their skin.

01:02:56.280 And so is there existing racism in the United States?

01:02:59.400 Of course there is.

01:03:00.420 But those last burning embers of racism, the last thing I want to do is throw kerosene on

01:03:05.280 it.

01:03:06.640 It's so great to see somebody articulating what we know is true so well, right?

01:03:13.520 So powerfully.

01:03:14.940 How many years have you guys been sitting there watching the Sunday TV and watching those anchors

01:03:19.600 try to do the gotchas on the Republican candidates or talking heads?

01:03:23.200 And they're just not as good as Vivek is at turning around and saying, basically, you're

01:03:28.140 full of shit.

01:03:29.120 You've totally framed the issue in a dishonest way.

01:03:32.160 Let me fix it for you, Stu.

01:03:33.600 Right?

01:03:34.540 Yes.

01:03:35.100 And your swearing is incredibly satisfying today, I have to say.

01:03:38.200 It's incredible.

01:03:39.820 It's so true.

01:03:40.940 It's like Vivek is really quick.

01:03:43.120 He's very smart.

01:03:44.160 And there's a reason why he's making an impact in the campaign, even though I know he's had

01:03:47.500 some missteps and not everyone is in love with his style.

01:03:49.780 He's a very smart guy and he's a very quick guy and he doesn't care.

01:03:53.200 He keeps pushing back.

01:03:54.360 And I'm so glad he pushed back against this particular this this generalization that's

01:03:59.920 made.

01:04:00.220 I have not you know, I don't know.

01:04:01.660 Maybe I missed something in the manifesto reporting that was going on.

01:04:04.600 But was there a long rant about low taxes in there?

01:04:07.540 Was there deregulation?

01:04:09.260 What what makes you think this guy was right wing other than the fact that you assigned racism

01:04:14.680 to Republicans?

01:04:15.860 That's the only connection here.

01:04:18.760 I completely reject this this this entire construct.

01:04:22.860 You know, collectivism is racism.

01:04:25.820 Racism is collectivism.

01:04:27.580 There is a there's they're totally tied together.

01:04:30.260 You a Republican view, a conservative, a traditional conservative view rejects this completely because

01:04:37.040 you look at people as individuals.

01:04:38.920 Having a small government doesn't give you the power to implement something like slavery

01:04:44.320 that doesn't exist in that in that stance.

01:04:46.900 And I think like you look at this as a you have to see people as members of groups instead

01:04:52.240 of individuals.

01:04:53.620 And that is what the left does.

01:04:55.700 The left is constantly trying to push us into groups.

01:04:58.180 And there's a reason why you go back throughout our history.

01:05:00.880 The overwhelmingly every single KKK member was a Democrat throughout all of history.

01:05:07.500 This is the way that this worked.

01:05:10.140 And yes, look, there are Republican nut jobs.

01:05:13.440 There are conservatives who would say they're conservative and are racist.

01:05:17.500 Of course, that is.

01:05:18.500 But we judge them by individuals.

01:05:20.280 What has fallen down in our nation over the past few years has been the destruction of

01:05:25.180 merit based thinking instead of focusing on immutable characteristics.

01:05:29.500 And man, if we could just go back to just seeing people for who they are, what we should

01:05:33.620 be doing with this shooter is not blaming Ron DeSantis and not even blaming some larger

01:05:37.880 racial issue.

01:05:39.120 We should be blaming the person who is actually who is actually guilty of the crime.

01:05:44.460 And we've just completely given up on that as a society.

01:05:47.020 Mm hmm.

01:05:47.820 Vic, can we talk about the vague for one second, Dave?

01:05:50.400 Because I was annoyed, as the audience knows, they love the vague.

01:05:53.880 But I'm sorry, I did not appreciate the 9-11 flirtation with trutherism.

01:05:58.480 People say, oh, he's just making a comparison to January 6th.

01:06:01.980 Well, don't don't don't compare any 9-11 to anything.

01:06:05.520 OK, don't say we need an investigation into whether there were federal agents on the planes

01:06:09.700 because we don't.

01:06:10.980 There were no federal agents on the planes.

01:06:12.460 This wasn't an inside job.

01:06:13.660 Just stop it.

01:06:14.280 Stop it.

01:06:14.940 OK, but this is I mean, I've been.

01:06:17.820 Friends with the vague for longer than most of you have known his name.

01:06:20.280 OK, he and I go back quite a ways.

01:06:22.580 I've had I had him on this podcast when he was an unknown.

01:06:25.320 So I know the guy and I know he's capable of this kind of super smart argumentation,

01:06:30.080 putting really good ideas into words in a way that's very compelling.

01:06:34.240 That's his bread and butter.

01:06:35.100 That's where he should stay.

01:06:36.060 He doesn't need I'm talking politics now to to do like conspiracy stuff or flirt with the

01:06:42.680 conspiratorial part of the Republican Party.

01:06:45.060 And he doesn't need to go as far as he's going on the January 6th stuff in general.

01:06:50.920 So that was the downside of his interview with Chuck Todd, where the vague is now pretending

01:06:58.100 that Mike Pence on January 6th had the option rather than just counting the votes that had

01:07:03.320 already come into him from the states to stop the whole thing and force voting voter I.D.

01:07:11.320 laws down the throats of American, some of Americans, something we have not been able to do

01:07:17.180 for years now.

01:07:18.760 This has been in that we have not been able to reach a national consensus on this.

01:07:21.760 Yes, it's a Republican favorite, but it's not a Democrat.

01:07:24.080 He's listen to what he said to Chuck Todd.

01:07:26.140 It's an absurdity what he's saying.

01:07:27.740 It's dishonest.

01:07:28.560 And my advice to the vague is to stick to the issues on which you are so very strong and stop doing this

01:07:34.420 other. I don't know what it is.

01:07:36.560 Is it just like.

01:07:37.260 Sweet nothings that he's trying to whisper into the ears of like the hardcore Trump supporters,

01:07:42.580 because it's not necessary.

01:07:43.520 They're grownups.

01:07:44.280 They know you can't do the shit that he just listed.

01:07:46.460 Listen.

01:07:48.420 Mike Pence did the right thing on January 6th.

01:07:51.660 Do you agree?

01:07:54.200 I would have done it very differently.

01:07:55.640 I think that there was a historic opportunity that he missed to reunite this country in that

01:08:00.700 window.

01:08:01.300 Here's what I would have said.

01:08:02.720 We need single day voting on Election Day.

01:08:04.840 We need paper ballots and we need government issued ID matching the voter file.

01:08:09.160 And if we achieve that, then we have achieved victory and we should not have any further

01:08:14.480 complaint about election integrity.

01:08:15.860 So what would you have done through the Senate?

01:08:17.820 So what would you have done with Mike Pence?

01:08:19.180 You would have not certified the election?

01:08:21.120 So in.

01:08:22.400 In my capacity as president of the Senate, I would have led through that level of reform.

01:08:27.660 Then on that condition, certified the election results, served it up to the president,

01:08:31.660 President Trump then to sign that into law and on January 7th declared the re-election

01:08:36.200 campaign pursuant to a free and fair election.

01:08:39.040 I think that was a missed opportunity.

01:08:42.840 What is he saying, Dave?

01:08:46.220 I don't know.

01:08:47.160 Has he ever heard of Chuck Schumer?

01:08:48.720 I mean.

01:08:51.220 Really?

01:08:52.980 Mike Pence could have told Chuck Schumer, well, I'm not going to certify the election unless

01:08:56.900 you get, I mean, why, why stop there?

01:08:59.180 Like, why not demand a balanced budget?

01:09:01.000 Right?

01:09:01.260 Like, why not demand more gun freedom?

01:09:04.140 I mean, if Mike Pence could do that, if the city vice president could do that, then they

01:09:08.560 could really just like on the way out do anything the hell they want.

01:09:11.640 I mean, it makes absolutely no sense.

01:09:14.340 Clearly.

01:09:14.960 It's nonsense.

01:09:16.580 Yes.

01:09:17.200 And it contradicts his previous position.

01:09:19.420 But I think you're right, Megan.

01:09:20.360 And I think that there is a segment of the sort of MAGA base that aren't necessarily like

01:09:28.200 9-11 truthers or don't necessarily believe that Mike Pence really had the authority to

01:09:34.540 do all of that, but like this big talk, right?

01:09:37.800 Like the idea of I'm going to say things that you're not supposed to say because I'm the

01:09:42.700 truth teller.

01:09:43.360 And it did strike me, you know, Vivek made the 9-11 comments on a podcast that sort of

01:09:49.820 swims in those waters.

01:09:51.320 It did strike me that on that example, I think he was 15 when 9-11 happened.

01:09:57.320 And I'm not giving him a pass, but I do think that as time goes by, like maybe younger people

01:10:02.540 don't understand what a third rail that is for people who are my age.

01:10:08.000 But I agree with you 100%.

01:10:09.960 First of all, he doesn't need these supporters.

01:10:13.260 Second of all, he's never actually going to get them because they're all already voting

01:10:16.960 for Trump.

01:10:17.680 So, yeah, you're spot on, man.

01:10:19.220 Like stick to the issues that are turning heads.

01:10:21.920 And I think he can continue to do well.

01:10:24.260 What do you make of it, Stu?

01:10:25.000 Because I see him on those earlier clips and I'm like, Vivek for president, Vivek, run,

01:10:31.340 baby, run, right?

01:10:32.620 And then I see him with the nonsense.

01:10:35.200 Oh, I see.

01:10:36.480 So Mike Pence had the ability with his pen to create a national voter ID law, to create

01:10:41.620 a national holiday so we could all vote on actual voting day to get rid of mail-in ballots.

01:10:47.760 It's amazing.

01:10:49.360 He was derelict in his duty not to push all that shit through.

01:10:52.680 That's a lie.

01:10:54.460 It's a pander.

01:10:55.540 I'm sick of that version.

01:10:56.900 Vivek is smarter and can do so much better.

01:10:59.100 And I do think it's like, why are you feeding some faction of the base that thinks any of

01:11:03.280 that could happen?

01:11:04.000 That's a lie.

01:11:04.540 And even if Vivek says, OK, well, he should have been pushing for it between what, November,

01:11:08.940 the date of the vote in November and January 6th, that's what leadership would have been.

01:11:13.260 That's a lie, too.

01:11:14.580 Right.

01:11:14.760 He did not have the power.

01:11:15.880 That was never going to happen.

01:11:17.200 And you go back to that period between, you know, the vote on November and January 6th,

01:11:20.720 the country was divided.

01:11:22.880 No one was believing the Trump shit about the fraud.

01:11:26.640 They were unable to prove it in court.

01:11:28.300 Yes, maybe they would have done better had they had more time.

01:11:30.340 But now we've had a couple of years and they have not been able to prove it, except reality.

01:11:34.500 Move on.

01:11:35.320 Mike Pence didn't have these powers.

01:11:37.240 Instead, they they want to believe some section wants to believe the sweet nothings.

01:11:41.520 And he dishonestly is feeding them.

01:11:44.320 I think I think you're right on that.

01:11:46.440 You know, I totally agree.

01:11:47.640 Like, look, we all respect the founders.

01:11:49.480 Right.

01:11:49.740 It's kind of a baseline part of conservatism to understand the founding of this country.

01:11:53.820 And if you think the founders came up with a system in which the sitting vice president

01:11:57.420 could overrule the election and it just kind of sat around undiscovered for a couple of

01:12:02.380 centuries until, you know, Eastman discovered it, you know, a week before they needed it.

01:12:07.260 I mean, it's obviously an absurd idea.

01:12:09.180 It doesn't make any sense.

01:12:10.900 And, you know, look, Pence did act appropriately in that moment.

01:12:14.240 And I think what's happening with Vivek and I'm with you on this, Megan, because, you

01:12:17.900 know, he's been on with us a bunch of times before he was running for president.

01:12:21.420 He wrote a really good book called Woke Inc.

01:12:23.080 It was really an excellent breakdown of what's going on in the world.

01:12:27.460 He's taken action on this stuff, too.

01:12:29.260 He he created a fund for people to invest in companies that would push back against ESG

01:12:34.720 standards and these important concepts that he brought a lot of awareness to.

01:12:38.140 I mean, people even on the right weren't really aware of them until Vivek brought a lot of these

01:12:41.740 concepts to their attention on shows like yours.

01:12:44.660 So he has something really important to contribute to the conversation.

01:12:48.980 He's very smart.

01:12:50.140 I think his campaign at times has felt like the guy, you know, at work who's really smart.

01:12:57.900 And every once in a while, he blurts out something that's not true, but thinks he's smart enough

01:13:02.020 to talk his way out of.

01:13:03.860 That's what this weekend show thing felt like to me this weekend.

01:13:07.460 Like he he knows Mike Pence could not have pushed that through.

01:13:11.180 He understands he's he knows all of this.

01:13:14.220 He just feels like he's now in this corner.

01:13:16.160 And and if what we like about Vivek and what we liked about him in those initial clips

01:13:20.960 is that he wouldn't back down.

01:13:22.900 And I think he's so he's so worried about looking like he's backing down that he's like,

01:13:28.240 I'm just going to push through it and I'm just going to make these arguments and I'm

01:13:30.480 going to look smart and I'm not going to say I'm one time and I'm going to nail this.

01:13:34.040 And I just think he's he's backed himself into a corner.

01:13:36.260 He really can't pull himself out rationally.

01:13:39.080 You know what?

01:13:39.540 The Fox News, the Fox business debate is in September.

01:13:42.980 It's a brand new day.

01:13:43.920 He doesn't have to go on the stage and say everybody here is bought and paid for.

01:13:47.440 You know, I I'm sure there's some segment that believes that, but it's not true.

01:13:51.400 Come on.

01:13:52.360 Like, do you want the Republicans to win the next presidential election or don't you?

01:13:56.500 Right.

01:13:56.660 Like, do you want to beat Joe Biden or don't you?

01:13:59.500 How is Doug Burgum bought and paid for?

01:14:02.080 He could buy and sell everybody on that stage's entire families, probably including Vivek,

01:14:06.280 who's a very rich and successful man.

01:14:07.800 Like he's not bought and paid for.

01:14:08.920 He made his own way in this world.

01:14:10.240 He's up there doing his public service.

01:14:11.840 Like, just stop.

01:14:12.980 There's no reason to get personally insulting of all these folks who want to serve, want

01:14:16.820 to oust Joe Biden, same way Vivek does.

01:14:19.260 So September is another day.

01:14:21.500 He doesn't have to do any of this nonsense.

01:14:22.800 He should go back to his bread and butter issues.

01:14:24.440 He can talk about anything substantively, probably better than most people up there.

01:14:28.240 He's got maybe some homework to do on foreign policy.

01:14:30.720 I think Nikki Haley's not wrong that he should do some more homework on that.

01:14:33.820 I'm not saying he's right or wrong on Ukraine.

01:14:35.180 Just saying to me, he's got the flavor of somebody who did a little reading and went out there

01:14:39.220 and started repeating some memorized talking points, and he's going to have to know things

01:14:43.040 much more in depth than that.

01:14:44.760 But he actually could have a shot.

01:14:46.480 He actually could have a shot.

01:14:47.360 Like if something happened to Trump where he got convicted and I don't like I don't know

01:14:50.980 what's going to happen to Trump.

01:14:51.980 But Vivek is probably the next choice of a lot of the hardcore Trump supporters.

01:14:55.680 And he could get the rest of the party to rally around him if he just cleaned up this one

01:15:00.760 weird strain of his campaign.

01:15:03.280 That's not to not be an outsider.

01:15:05.040 You can criticize the other candidates, do all that stuff.

01:15:07.580 But it's just like a little fringy stuff happening now that I think he's getting support

01:15:11.220 for online.

01:15:12.540 And I think it's tinting the way he sees himself and his true mission.

01:15:15.820 All right.

01:15:16.240 Stand by because I'm going to take a quick break.

01:15:17.860 And then when we come back, we're going to do some cultural issues, including you remember

01:15:21.120 the Canadian shop teacher with I know you guys do with the enormous fake prosthetic

01:15:26.840 breasts who he claimed that he said that they were he said he has a condition.

01:15:32.920 Well, he's back and we'll tell you what he's doing now.

01:15:35.840 Stand by.

01:15:39.520 Kayla Lemieux is back.

01:15:42.540 So it's a man in Canadian shop class.

01:15:47.340 He's teaching shop.

01:15:48.780 Remember your shop teacher, nine times out of 10, it's a dude and it's like a grizzly

01:15:53.580 dude.

01:15:54.420 And it's typically like a non PC dude.

01:15:57.160 He's a tool man.

01:15:58.220 You know, it's like, what?

01:15:59.500 OK, not Kayla.

01:16:01.200 Kayla is a man who decides to go by Kayla and wear these enormous giant prosthetic breasts

01:16:07.940 with fake nipples that are so in your face with a ridiculous wig.

01:16:13.860 I mean, like other than these enormous breasts, Kayla is not even trying to look female because

01:16:17.520 look at the face.

01:16:19.260 I'm sorry, but like there's no effort to look feminine at all other than the weird

01:16:22.920 hair and those enormous breasts.

01:16:24.860 Kayla in like an amazing piece of journalism first gave an interview to the New York Post,

01:16:30.540 which I mean, the post should be getting a Pulitzer Prize for this.

01:16:33.260 This is a few months back where Kayla told the post that Kayla is not transgender, but was

01:16:40.340 instead born intersex.

01:16:42.000 And in response to which I say, sure, Dan, don't believe Kayla is intersex.

01:16:49.320 I think Kayla is a full dude working out Kayla's sexual fantasies in front of these children

01:16:53.660 and that the New York Post got the statement from Kayla that Kayla suffers allegedly from a

01:16:58.940 condition known as gigantomastia, gigantomastia, guys.

01:17:05.320 I mean, I guess Pamela Anderson caught it in part.

01:17:09.520 Dolly Parton caught it in part.

01:17:12.060 Oh, wait, it's not prosthetic breasts.

01:17:14.360 It's natural breasts that just grow and grow and grow and grow, despite your best wishes that

01:17:19.560 they would stop. It's a lie.

01:17:22.120 We know it's a lie because the brilliant journalists at Rebel News, our friends up in

01:17:27.400 Canada, track down Kayla, who look, if Kayla wants to do this in Kayla's spare time, it's

01:17:33.160 really none of my business.

01:17:34.420 It's weird. And I wouldn't want Kayla around my kids.

01:17:37.280 But the problem is Kayla's been doing this in front of kids, in front of minors in shop

01:17:40.900 class. I mean, one false move and one of those breasts is gone on that saw.

01:17:44.980 Um, no child needs to be subjected to that or to Kayla's sexual fetish.

01:17:50.300 Rebel News found Kayla while dressed as a man, which is what Kayla is, without Kayla's totally

01:17:56.740 natural breasts in a clip I can't get enough of.

01:17:59.700 This is from a couple months ago.

01:18:00.740 Watch.

01:18:00.900 Where are your breasts?

01:18:07.940 Where are your breasts?

01:18:10.160 Why are you dressing inappropriately in front of children?

01:18:13.460 Can you believe it? Folks, like a cornered rat, he ran for the hills.

01:18:18.640 He didn't even have the guts to come back to his car.

01:18:21.860 He's abandoned it here.

01:18:23.140 He called an Uber.

01:18:25.180 But did you notice?

01:18:26.600 No breasts.

01:18:28.080 But Lemieux, I thought you told the world via the New York Post and the Toronto Sun that

01:18:34.160 those were real mammary glands.

01:18:38.140 Rebel News, I love you.

01:18:39.440 I love you, Rebel News.

01:18:40.520 Good job.

01:18:41.320 Good job.

01:18:41.920 So, so the reason all this is relevant is because if Kayla's not trans and not a woman

01:18:50.360 with gigantomastia, Kayla's sick.

01:18:54.900 Kayla's one sick effer.

01:18:56.280 This is Kayla.

01:18:57.340 It's a dude.

01:18:58.520 There's no boobs.

01:18:59.860 It's a man.

01:19:00.780 And Kayla's clearly working out, as I said, a sexual fetish in front of minors.

01:19:05.380 I think Kayla should be fired.

01:19:06.900 I don't think Kayla should be employed at any school.

01:19:08.760 So what happened instead was they made it into a dress code controversy where the parents

01:19:14.260 were upset.

01:19:14.760 These are Canadians.

01:19:15.420 They're very soft on the woke stuff, you know, like even the ones who are on our side

01:19:19.140 are afraid.

01:19:20.200 And so they went in and said there should be a dress code.

01:19:22.740 Why is this guy wearing mini skirts and enormous fake boobs and nipples in front of our kids?

01:19:28.680 So that was the big push.

01:19:29.840 Change the dress code so that no teacher can do this.

01:19:31.760 They put Kayla on leave while they like investigated whether they were going to change the dress code.

01:19:37.480 Guess what happened?

01:19:38.760 Nothing.

01:19:40.040 They were.

01:19:40.620 I don't say the P word.

01:19:41.920 That's where I draw the line of my swearing.

01:19:43.620 But they were P words.

01:19:45.060 They would not change the dress code.

01:19:47.440 And they left it intact such that Kayla could return potentially to the classroom wearing

01:19:52.540 all that same stuff.

01:19:54.080 Well, Kayla instead decided to move to another school district where Kayla has been hired

01:19:58.700 to teach full time there with the same school board presiding over Kayla's new employer.

01:20:06.120 And guess what else?

01:20:07.680 Here's the last bit.

01:20:08.500 And then I'll let you guys have it.

01:20:09.440 They have announced to the new parent body that as a result of hiring Kayla, the school

01:20:15.740 knows it's going to have to, quote, boost security.

01:20:18.440 That as a result of Lemieux's gender expression becoming the subject of public attention, that

01:20:26.680 they expect this, you know, blowback and that the high school has a responsibility to uphold

01:20:32.160 individual rights, treat everyone with dignity and respect.

01:20:34.960 And that now they need new safety precautions.

01:20:38.320 All the students have to enter and exit the building using assigned doors and entry and

01:20:41.480 dismissal.

01:20:42.200 They have to lock exterior doors during school hours using only the front main doors during

01:20:46.080 school hours.

01:20:47.420 They the parents must email or call before coming to the school if they ever wish to speak to

01:20:52.760 an employee.

01:20:53.860 All exterior doors must be locked during school hours.

01:20:56.600 You can only use blah, blah, blah.

01:20:57.840 OK, going on.

01:20:58.760 So the solution is fortify the school against not like a potential shooter necessarily, but

01:21:05.680 an angry parent who doesn't want this shit playing out in front of their kid.

01:21:08.760 I can't.

01:21:09.600 I can't.

01:21:10.440 Dave, would you like to take it?

01:21:12.960 Yeah, listen, this is all part of a ritual humiliation that the left has been using to

01:21:19.440 try to shove the trans agenda down people's throats.

01:21:22.680 There was a time in 2015 or 2016 when most conservatives, myself included, were willing

01:21:29.660 to have a reasonable conversation about accommodation, right?

01:21:32.460 I always thought the bathroom issue, which was the first one that kicked off, was kind

01:21:35.800 of silly because there are ways around that, right?

01:21:39.100 But locker rooms are a different thing.

01:21:41.360 Prisons are a different thing.

01:21:42.620 Shelters are a different thing.

01:21:43.960 We were prepared to try to have these conversations.

01:21:46.900 Instead, the left said, no, you're not allowed to have this conversation.

01:21:51.240 To even have this conversation is bigotry.

01:21:55.680 You're going to look at Leah Thomas towering over female swimmers, and you're going to accept

01:22:02.540 that that is perfectly normal.

01:22:04.580 You're going to look at this insane person with gigantic fake breasts teaching children,

01:22:10.040 and you are going to say that is perfectly normal.

01:22:14.540 What's the next step?

01:22:15.940 What's the next thing that we're supposed to accept is perfectly normal?

01:22:19.500 Two plus two isn't five, and I'm finished with these people.

01:22:24.180 I mean, I'm not willing right now to have this conversation about accommodation until

01:22:28.280 we start having a conversation about the basic truth.

01:22:32.240 Stop abusing our children.

01:22:33.660 I'll show you what the next step is.

01:22:34.880 I take you to Disneyland via Libs of TikTok, who posted the latest bibbidi-bobbidi-boop boutique.

01:22:42.680 They got rid of fairy godmothers in training.

01:22:47.360 Now it has to be their apprentice because, well, I'll show you why.

01:22:51.320 This is why.

01:22:52.000 Look, you're going to have dudes like these guys.

01:22:55.580 It's an obvious dude.

01:22:57.020 An obvious dude in a woman's fairy princess dress.

01:23:02.480 We saw this a couple months ago.

01:23:03.800 Now they're more.

01:23:04.520 These are two new ones.

01:23:06.060 Huge men.

01:23:07.380 They happen to be large-sized guys in dresses at the bibbidi-bobbidi-boop boutique where

01:23:13.460 parents are just trying to enjoy the Magic Kingdom, whether it's Disneyland or Disney

01:23:17.420 World.

01:23:17.740 I'm not sure, but it was, I think it was Disneyland, according to Libs of TikTok.

01:23:21.620 That's the next step.

01:23:22.520 So, Stu, we got a deal.

01:23:23.860 We're just sending our kids to school.

01:23:25.340 They're just fucking good.

01:23:25.880 They're going to shop.

01:23:26.980 Supposed to make a little, I made a little birdhouse.

01:23:29.500 Most of us made like a shelf.

01:23:30.940 My kid Yates, he made a chair.

01:23:33.380 We went to Disney.

01:23:34.480 My daughter, Yardley, got her hair done.

01:23:36.240 Look at this guy's got facial hair.

01:23:38.980 This is what we have to deal with.

01:23:41.380 It really is incredible.

01:23:42.680 I took my kids to Disney right before COVID, and I'm so, so glad.

01:23:47.300 I remember thinking after COVID started, geez, I'm glad we didn't wait a few months because

01:23:50.480 who knows when it's going to open up again.

01:23:52.480 And instead, now it's like, they're never going back there.

01:23:55.300 Good luck when you're 18 going back to that place, if that's what you want to do on your

01:23:59.040 own dime.

01:23:59.640 Bibbidi-bobbidi-bye.

01:24:01.880 Bye.

01:24:02.940 It's incredible to look at this.

01:24:04.380 Dave pointed out the accommodations point, and I think that's what Americans want.

01:24:10.720 The polling on gay rights changed over a long period of time.

01:24:14.900 And I think the reason that was successful with conservatives was they said, look, you're

01:24:20.360 doing your own thing.

01:24:21.240 And you want to do your own thing.

01:24:22.320 You do your own thing.

01:24:23.240 And we'll do our own thing.

01:24:24.480 And that's all we have to do.

01:24:26.980 We're not involved in your decision.

01:24:28.340 You want to make a decision that's different.

01:24:29.540 You live a different lifestyle.

01:24:30.560 Okay, we can deal with that.

01:24:31.600 We kind of have that live and let live mentality here in the United States generally.

01:24:36.020 The trans thing is totally different.

01:24:38.380 Because you're not asking us, you're asking us to do something different.

01:24:42.280 You're asking us to participate in something that is untrue.

01:24:45.140 You're asking us to say, actually, no, she is unwell, right?

01:24:49.920 You're asking us to confirm that.

01:24:51.580 You're asking us to participate in a lie.

01:24:54.180 That's a really heavy ask of a person who has any conscience.

01:24:57.460 You're asking us to go along with something that we know to be untrue.

01:25:00.860 And you look at these situations around kids.

01:25:04.340 I don't know what the situation is with this one particular teacher.

01:25:08.660 Because there's two people this could be.

01:25:10.700 It could be just some psychopath who just wants to get their rocks off in front of kids.

01:25:15.500 And it could be someone who's severely mentally ill.

01:25:17.840 I don't even know what she's saying.

01:25:20.260 That's not me.

01:25:21.060 You think she would have a difference.

01:25:22.060 Yeah, I suppose you're right.

01:25:24.300 When she's saying that's not me, she may think she's a totally different person.

01:25:27.300 I have no idea.

01:25:28.360 But when we can all look at this and laugh at it at some level because of how ridiculous

01:25:34.660 the fake boobs are.

01:25:36.160 But every part of the argument that this teacher makes is consistent with what the left is saying

01:25:42.480 is reality.

01:25:43.520 When he says he's a woman and should be respected for his fake boobs because he is saying she's

01:25:50.520 a woman, that decision he has made to identify as something else is something that everybody

01:25:56.340 on television is telling us we should confirm and agree with.

01:25:59.780 Like, we're supposed to participate in this madness.

01:26:02.880 We as Americans are totally willing to let madness go on all around us all the time.

01:26:07.900 But when you ask us to participate in it and intentionally put it in front of our kids

01:26:12.780 on a daily basis, that's where we step up.

01:26:15.260 That's when we say no.

01:26:16.460 That's when we put our hands out and say, look, there's no there's no not participating bad

01:26:20.340 enough.

01:26:20.660 If Kayla Lemieux were just dressing as a woman, that'd be bad enough.

01:26:24.560 But Kayla Lemieux is clearly it is a sexual fetish.

01:26:27.800 There is a reason for those enormous breasts and then the aggressive nipples at the end of

01:26:34.260 them.

01:26:34.440 There's a reason it is a sexual fetish.

01:26:36.720 And the vast majority of men dressing as women, claiming to be women, I mean, a huge portion

01:26:44.360 of those men are autogynophiles who get off on it.

01:26:48.840 They get off sexually on it.

01:26:50.260 So what I really don't want, I don't want this in front of my kids, period.

01:26:54.040 And I don't want my kids dealing with the bibbidi-bobbidi-boo people scaring at them.

01:26:58.700 But I really don't want some guy with an erection around my children.

01:27:03.660 That's what I really don't want.

01:27:04.900 I don't want whether it's Leah Thomas or this Kayla or you do not like fucking teach the

01:27:12.560 shop.

01:27:13.180 All right.

01:27:14.460 Keep your erection at home.

01:27:16.260 Keep it away from my kid, because honestly, this is where it's really going to go down.

01:27:20.480 Dave, I know you're a father.

01:27:22.060 This is where the shit's really going to go down.

01:27:23.820 You get off anywhere near my kid and you and I are going to have a serious, serious problem.

01:27:32.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:27:33.020 And, you know, this is why this is why the attacks against groups like Moms for Liberty

01:27:38.840 are not working.

01:27:40.000 You know, I think I mentioned the last time I was on that that I attended that conference.

01:27:44.020 You know, I covered it for Fox.

01:27:45.780 And yeah, this this this is their point.

01:27:49.780 I worry about it a lot.

01:27:51.500 I mean, part of the reason that I a big part of the reason that I live in West Virginia

01:27:55.320 now and not New York City, which is the place that I love most in the world, is that it was

01:28:01.500 that it was absolutely untenable in the schools every day for my son was some it was pride

01:28:07.100 day, BLM day, trans every day, Megan.

01:28:10.460 And, you know, when he was 11, right, he sent me a screenshot because he knows what I do.

01:28:17.000 And his mom's also a conservative journalist.

01:28:19.340 He said he sent us a screenshot from his school of a drop down box on a survey that he had to

01:28:25.720 take. Right.

01:28:26.480 He was 11.

01:28:27.900 It asked him his gender and non-binary and trans.

01:28:32.560 Right.

01:28:33.060 Were options there?

01:28:33.980 It's inappropriate.

01:28:34.800 Everybody knows this.

01:28:37.760 And that's that takes us back to this ritual humiliation of forcing you to look at a blue

01:28:44.500 wall and and say that wall is red and they're trying to make us do it.

01:28:49.620 And I'm really grateful for all of your work in not letting them do that.

01:28:54.980 And, you know, I've made the same mistake that Stu makes where I'm talking about one of

01:28:58.920 these stories and I use she instead of he just because it's confusing and you're so used

01:29:03.580 to it.

01:29:03.940 And but you're dead on in what you say that we have to be careful about that because we're

01:29:08.760 losing grip of reality.

01:29:10.680 Yeah.

01:29:11.240 I've been wanting to ask you about the move from New York to West Virginia, because, you

01:29:15.860 know, we we fled New York for the very same reasons you just outlined.

01:29:20.520 And you and I follow each other on Twitter.

01:29:22.680 You're one of the best Twitter follows, follows, by the way.

01:29:24.880 People need to follow Blue Box Dave.

01:29:28.500 And you initially, I remember saying, like, I would never leave.

01:29:31.480 You're such a diehard New Yorker.

01:29:33.400 And I gave me pangs.

01:29:35.160 Like, I know there are such great things about New York, you know, but we felt like we had

01:29:38.460 to do it.

01:29:39.240 And when you left and went to West Virginia, I was like, I've got to talk to him about

01:29:42.740 what the final straw was, because I know the bar was very high for you to leave.

01:29:47.160 Yeah, that was it, that my kid was was really the bar one way that I put it, you know, he

01:29:53.700 was born in 2010.

01:29:54.880 And if you had told me in 2010, when your son's 13, like he and three of his buddies are going

01:30:00.320 to take the subway from Brooklyn into Manhattan, go see a movie, they'll be back eight, eight

01:30:05.440 30 at night, I would have said, sure.

01:30:07.780 But I mean, that I wouldn't have thought twice about it.

01:30:10.000 Not a chance in hell.

01:30:11.360 Not a chance in hell would I let him do that today.

01:30:15.440 So I didn't feel like it was a good place to be a teenager.

01:30:18.160 And I will say, you know, I've been here about seven months now.

01:30:21.820 And it's also it's been really useful for me professionally just to be outside of those

01:30:28.080 waters where all of the decisions are made about what's important, about what we cover,

01:30:33.760 about which shootings get covered and which ones don't.

01:30:36.900 Because the people that I've met here in West Virginia are incredibly welcoming people.

01:30:42.560 These aren't their priorities at all.

01:30:45.240 These people read local news.

01:30:47.800 So it's it's it's been really fascinating to see life outside of a major urban area because

01:30:55.160 I've never experienced it before.

01:30:57.700 Can I tell you that?

01:30:59.000 So we were in the private school system in New York.

01:31:01.140 The public school system has lost its mind, too.

01:31:03.540 But a friend sent me the Horace Mann, which is one of the best private schools in Manhattan.

01:31:11.960 It's always been considered very Tony, very hard to get into, very academically rigorous,

01:31:17.500 which is why most parents would send their children there.

01:31:20.620 Sent me the it's the annual student medical form.

01:31:25.740 The parent page.

01:31:26.780 You got your grade, your student's name, sex assigned at birth, male, female or intersex

01:31:35.520 gender identity right underneath that girl, boy.

01:31:39.760 I'm reading from this now looking at it.

01:31:41.720 Trans boy, trans girl, non-binary, gender fluid, other than students affirming pronouns.

01:31:50.200 She, her, he, him, they, them, other.

01:31:54.000 And we could go down the list.

01:31:55.020 Um, it's like, this is, this is our new reality.

01:31:59.700 We're going to pretend that this is all real and you can identify as, I mean, I pity the

01:32:03.620 poor teachers, you know, not all of whom are far lefties who are going to have to deal

01:32:07.720 with this nonsense.

01:32:08.580 Not to mention, I've talked to teachers who say some of these kids on Monday, they're

01:32:13.140 saying they're girls on Tuesday, they're saying they're boys and they expect the teachers

01:32:17.000 to like go with the wind.

01:32:19.440 Like the student gets to update the teacher on his or her gender from day to day, Stu.

01:32:24.320 It's madness.

01:32:25.880 It is madness.

01:32:27.020 It's one of the reasons I live in Texas and even in Texas with, uh, I think better schools

01:32:31.460 than some of the other areas in the country.

01:32:33.400 I have my kids in private school as well.

01:32:35.080 And when we started there, I remember thinking, look, you know, it's, I don't want to pay

01:32:38.300 double.

01:32:38.820 It's expensive.

01:32:39.860 Let's see how this goes.

01:32:40.980 And now I would be living under a bridge and every dollar I had would go to sending them

01:32:45.480 to the school rather than living in anything else I spent money on because it's that important

01:32:50.220 to me.

01:32:51.080 And, and Megan, if I could just echo what Dave said too about your efforts on this, you

01:32:55.820 know, I, I will say like, I, you know, I, I love your show.

01:32:58.080 I love listening to your podcast.

01:32:58.980 You've really great interviews and, and maybe with the exception of this particular one, uh,

01:33:02.940 but generally speaking, you're great.

01:33:04.400 And, and I love, I love listening to your show, but I will say my wife in particular and,

01:33:09.340 and, and my wife's friends are really moved by your efforts in this and how frank you've

01:33:14.920 been on this particular topic.

01:33:16.220 It's really hard for an average person to talk, to speak out about this.

01:33:20.580 I've seen that, you know, moms talking with each other, they don't know how to express

01:33:24.440 this.

01:33:24.760 And, and the fact that you've been one of the people speaking out so loudly and bravely

01:33:29.520 on this had academics on with real research, real backing, and you're not doing it at a

01:33:34.320 place of anger.

01:33:35.100 It's not, it's not idiotic, you know, internet rambling.

01:33:37.660 You've done this with precision and, and, and, and real fire.

01:33:41.020 And I can tell you to moms in this country, I've talked to a lot of them.

01:33:44.800 They really say, thank you.

01:33:46.000 So just passing that word on from my wife.

01:33:48.660 Thank you, Stu.

01:33:49.740 And what's your wife's name?

01:33:51.500 Lisa page.

01:33:52.500 And thank you, Lisa page.

01:33:54.040 I appreciate that.

01:33:54.980 You know, it's been an evolution for me too.

01:33:56.480 I think I was definitely much more in the let's accept, let's affirm, let's be kind category

01:34:01.140 a few years ago.

01:34:01.860 And, you know, we've seen where that's gotten us.

01:34:04.860 Um, I want to end with this personal note because, uh, I had an amazing time this weekend

01:34:10.680 and I just wanted to tell people about what happened.

01:34:12.860 I went, you know, I'm at the Jersey shore for the summer.

01:34:15.340 I went to Atlantic city with some friends.

01:34:18.300 We saw comedian Jim Brewer who is on this show.

01:34:22.300 Steve, was it episode two Oh two was it two Oh two two Oh two.

01:34:26.340 So you got, it was like one of the only times I've extended the interview beyond the Sirius

01:34:30.580 XM show.

01:34:31.380 I've done it a handful of times, but he, I think he might've been the first.

01:34:35.000 He's such a compelling guy.

01:34:36.860 His life story is very moving.

01:34:39.860 He's suffered a lot.

01:34:40.820 This is my friend.

01:34:41.520 These are my friends and, and Jim and yours truly.

01:34:44.960 Um, he was hysterical.

01:34:47.620 You guys, if you need to laugh, right.

01:34:49.660 And we all need to laugh.

01:34:50.580 We've talked about a lot of dark subjects today.

01:34:52.820 Go see Jim Brewer.

01:34:54.060 He's on tour.

01:34:54.840 I think his next, uh, his next appearance is, is it Raleigh, North Carolina, but check

01:34:59.040 just, just go to Jim Brewer.com.

01:35:01.160 It's B R E U E R.com.

01:35:04.340 Well worth your time.

01:35:05.320 He did a bit on president Biden out in Hawaii and like his physical humor is second to none,

01:35:11.120 a bit on hunting, a bit on a prostate situation.

01:35:15.040 He had, who's just gold.

01:35:17.000 I'm telling you.

01:35:17.960 And who doesn't want to laugh in these troubled times, Stu, Dave, thank you guys so much for

01:35:22.460 being parts of the voice of reason.

01:35:24.800 Thank you, Megan.

01:35:26.480 Appreciate it.

01:35:27.360 Thanks Megan.

01:35:28.520 See you soon.

01:35:29.140 And thanks to all of you for joining me.

01:35:30.780 I want to tell you that tomorrow we have VDH, Victor Davis, Hansen back with us.

01:35:34.720 Speaking of sense.

01:35:35.740 So looking forward to hearing his thoughts on the latest on Trump, that mugshot with the

01:35:39.860 Dems are doing crime and the latest on illegal immigration in these sanctuary cities.

01:35:45.020 Now thinking twice.

01:35:46.760 We'll see you then.

01:35:49.860 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

01:35:51.780 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

01:35:54.800 Thanks for listening.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 28, 2023

Media Drools Over Trump Mug Shot, and Vivek Beats the Press, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus ｜ Ep. 616

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