The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Freakout Over Trump Trials, and Biological Men in Women's Prisons, with Jesse Kelly, Kelsey Bolar, and Amie Ichikawa ｜ Ep. 735

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.200 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's a big day in the Fannie 0.92

00:00:17.040 Willis case and we have some breaking news for you in it that you're about to hear right here.

00:00:22.840 So big. In fact, we're going to do two shows today. That's how big the day is for Fannie

00:00:27.480 Willis. First, our normal Sirius XM show live at noon East. And then later today, we'll be taping

00:00:33.660 a separate show on the actual hearing where they're doing their closing arguments on whether

00:00:38.380 she and Nathan Wade ought to be booted off this case with reaction from some of our favorites.

00:00:43.520 Mike Davis, Dave Ehrenberg and Phil Holloway will all be here. So continue checking our podcast feed

00:00:49.360 and YouTube feed for that download, which we'll post later today. This afternoon's hearing could

00:00:54.500 finally bring us closer to a resolution in the scandal that has rocked the Georgia case and could

00:00:58.960 end it altogether. Attorneys for former President Donald Trump and his co-defendants have argued

00:01:03.260 that D.A. Fannie Willis and Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade improperly benefited financially from

00:01:08.580 this case and then lied about it under oath. The defense wants the judge to hear about the cell phone

00:01:15.180 records that they claim support their argument that Willis and Wade were in a romantic relationship

00:01:20.440 long before they admit and long before she hired him in November 21 to work on the Trump case.

00:01:27.760 Willis's team wants the judge to hear from a winery employee who says that one time Willis and Wade

00:01:37.700 showed up and Willis paid $400 in cash when it was time to pay the bill. Okay.

00:01:46.120 The judge is not expected to rule from the bench today. I think it's fair to say there's almost

00:01:52.940 no chance he's going to do that. But today's hearing could give us a much better indication

00:01:56.860 on whether or not he will order this pair to be removed and possibly worse, which could end up

00:02:03.020 the entire case against former President Donald Trump and his co-defendants.

00:02:08.500 Joining me now, Jesse Kelly, host of The Jesse Kelly Show, and I'm right. Jesse,

00:02:14.680 welcome back to the show. How are you doing? Mac and I are doing great. I love the shirt,

00:02:19.000 by the way. That's great. It's a mixture of old school and new. Big fan. Big fan of the shirt.

00:02:23.380 Thank you very much. It's from Kelly J. Keene, who's an activist on this stuff. She's an inspo

00:02:28.720 to me. And if you want to get it, please get it from her website, which is adulthumanfemale.us.

00:02:35.980 She's in the UK. I think it's adulthumanfemale.us. Because what happens, I've noticed, Jesse, 0.72

00:02:40.080 is when I wear one of these or when I post one of these, all these t-shirt manufacturers then

00:02:45.560 rush to flood my feed with, buy it here, buy it here, buy it here, buy it here. And then the person

00:02:50.920 who actually came up with it doesn't get the purchases. And Kelly J. Keene is fighting this

00:02:54.640 good fight way more than any of the rest of us. So go to adulthumanfemale.us. And for those listening,

00:03:01.100 it's like a baseball t-shirt that kids wear with blue arms and white shirt. It says

00:03:05.960 female across the front in sort of the red Coca-Cola style. All right. So Jesse, we've got

00:03:12.460 some breaking news in the Fannie Willis case that we're going to share with our audience

00:03:15.680 and you right now. You recall that Terrence Bradley, the one-time lawyer and friend of

00:03:22.600 Nathan Wade, took the stand this week and tried to do the I know nothing routine, notwithstanding

00:03:28.680 all of his texts to defense attorney Ashley Merchant showing, oh, he knows a lot. And he very

00:03:34.440 clearly has an understanding of when the affair began. And it appears to have been 19 or 20,

00:03:39.220 but certainly not 22 as this pair claims. Now we, um, he, he had done such a one 80 that it was

00:03:47.880 like, he started getting cross-examined on whether he'd been threatened and just how close he has been

00:03:54.300 to Nathan Wade. Like, you know, how tight are you guys now? Um, he claimed that he hadn't talked to

00:04:01.280 Nathan Wade, his former client and friend in two years. Do we have that sound bite guys? Let's play

00:04:06.440 it. When was the last time you spoke to Mr. Wade? I've spoken to Mr. Wade personally in

00:04:13.380 a year, two years actually, when I left the firm. He steered this contract to you, to your office,

00:04:20.260 and you weren't really talking to him? You hadn't talked to him for two years?

00:04:23.240 The contract was in 2021. I didn't leave until 2022.

00:04:29.800 So you didn't talk with him that whole time?

00:04:33.160 I left in 2022. I haven't really spoke to him since 2022 is what I stated.

00:04:40.980 Okay. Well, we've come into possession of a voicemail that was left for attorney Ashley Merchant

00:04:48.480 from a waiter nearby where these all, all folks, uh, where they, where they practice law and we're

00:04:55.720 going to play it for you now. Take a listen. Um, I'm calling. So I just watched the, um,

00:05:03.760 Tarrant Bradley, um, hearing, and I noticed on there, he said that he has talked to Nathan

00:05:08.800 Wade in two years, but I work at a restaurant here on the square and I waited on the parent,

00:05:15.740 BC Chopper and Nathan Wade about five weeks ago. So I just saw that and thought maybe you should

00:05:24.020 know that if you want to call me back. Um, that man's name in the middle was

00:05:30.020 Tarrant Bradley's lawyer. So look, we're trying to track this guy down. We have his number. We're

00:05:34.260 trying to reach him. We have to verify it. Could be a guy with a case of mistaken identity. Could be

00:05:38.340 a guy who just is sympathetic to, uh, Trump. You know, we don't know. We want to disclose that we

00:05:43.000 haven't figured out whether this guy has any biases whatsoever, but for what it's worth,

00:05:47.100 and it's too late to be used at the hearing today, you've got this guy saying once again,

00:05:52.500 Terrence Bradley told yet another potential lie on the stand. He and Nathan Wade were together

00:05:57.480 dining together as recently as five weeks ago, along with Terrence's lawyer. So Jesse,

00:06:01.800 where does that in the latest developments in this case lead us as we wait for this hearing to begin?

00:06:07.140 Well, I mean, for Fulton County, for the people of Georgia, Fulton County, obviously it's not great

00:06:13.220 when you find out just how dirty your little fiefdom is. It's not, that's never a great feeling.

00:06:18.540 I've actually lived in towns like that where scandals like this dropped and everyone just

00:06:22.160 kind of feels gross and a little bit embarrassed. But as far as for the country goes, it obviously

00:06:27.320 is a great thing, Megan. It doesn't matter what people's opinion of Donald Trump is legally

00:06:32.760 destroying the Republican nominee just because he's the Republican nominee. It's not probably

00:06:37.680 something a country can come back from. Once you take that step, whatever comes after that,

00:06:42.880 it won't look like the country you had before. It'll be bad. Everything will be bad. So if there

00:06:47.400 are things, even a Fannie Willis affair, that's going to stop that, even if we're kind of lucking

00:06:52.300 out a little bit, God looking out for us, whatever way you want to look at it, that's a good thing.

00:06:56.460 So this whole thing puts a smile on my face. I've said many times, Megan, I mean,

00:07:01.040 you're an actual journalist. I'm not, I'm just a meathead, but people don't understand how really

00:07:06.440 crooked politics is at the local level and how at the local level, it's worse than DC in DC. Yeah.

00:07:12.960 They're going to pass a bill and they'll find a way to funnel some money to their brother's solar

00:07:16.640 panel company. And yeah, that's bad. That's really bad. I'm not defending it, but in Fulton County,

00:07:21.360 your small town, wherever you're listening to the great Megan Kelly show, there's a reason your city

00:07:26.100 councilman makes 35 grand a year and drives a late model BMW. This is how it works. It's

00:07:30.860 envelopes full of cash. It's this and that they're always find the way to swindle money out of

00:07:35.400 people. It's all, it doesn't just work that way in Atlanta everywhere. That's how it works.

00:07:39.600 It's so incestuous. That's how I feel. I like what you said. I it's schadenfreude. I'm delighted

00:07:45.760 to see these two struggling. I don't have much empathy for them at all. Number one, they put

00:07:50.840 themselves in this position and I believe they lied under oath. That's a note. That's a hard. No,

00:07:54.480 it's a felony. If you're lying about something material and number two, they started this with this

00:08:00.400 absurd lawfare against the likely Republican nominee. The whole goal is political. So why

00:08:07.640 shouldn't they get it right back between the eyes? Oh, of course. These are the most detestable

00:08:14.260 people. And I just, I mean, sure everyone listening and watching understands this, but

00:08:18.120 Benny Willis is nothing more than an apparatchik. She's just, she's one of the various commies in our

00:08:23.200 system trying for a better seat at the table. That's what all this was. That's what Alvin Bragg's doing in

00:08:28.640 New York. That's what Jack Smith's doing. They all want the next job, the next gig, the next,

00:08:34.200 whatever it is. And the best way to get promoted in the Democrat party today is be the one who takes

00:08:40.200 Trump down. Everything, you know, Letitia James has done to Trump in New York. She's going to

00:08:45.100 campaign on that when she goes to take Chuck Schumer's spot in the Senate. I guarantee it.

00:08:49.380 Fannie Willis wants to be the next idiot senator from Georgia or maybe mayor or something, something. 1.00

00:08:55.240 She wants to be something. Yeah. A governor. And all this is, is a pelt on the wall. She can campaign 1.00

00:09:01.080 on when she can, when she does it. I'm the one who took Trump down. And again, in a country that is

00:09:07.200 like sane and normal, this stuff would be stopped, Megan, before an affair, right? It should have never

00:09:14.220 taken an affair in corruption to bring, to, to bring this stuff to a hall. This stuff should never

00:09:18.800 happen anyway. If we have to get lucky to get the right result, good. I'd rather that wasn't the case,

00:09:24.220 but Hey, we'll take what we can get. You know, it's partial luck, but it's also not a coincidence

00:09:30.640 because I think this is, she must be a bad person. Like not only a bad person would flout the law in 0.98

00:09:36.920 this way, use it to take down someone perceived as a political enemy. And so of course that bad behavior

00:09:44.040 is evident in other parts of her life. It took only an investigative lawyer in this case to find

00:09:53.120 it, like start poking around somebody who's this bad, who would make up charges just to stop a

00:09:58.780 political opponent has got to have done other bad things. And I am 100% fine with doing that to these

00:10:05.940 people. Like you have to punch a bully, as I said, right between the eyes, right in the nose in order

00:10:11.120 for the bully to back down. You can't be nice. You can't charm your way out of it. And I do think

00:10:15.760 Trump's lawyers. And in this case, Michael Roman's lawyer, Ashley merchant, who's been the heroine of

00:10:20.140 this whole thing, um, deserve a badge of honor because they understood we're in the trenches right

00:10:28.360 now. You can't sip the Earl gray tea out of the Queens tea set and just lecture everyone about how you

00:10:36.060 have the moral high ground. No, it's not going to work. You, you, you nailed that. It's not going to

00:10:41.640 work. And this is how Republicans have played for the longest time. They'll, they'll, they'll, to this

00:10:47.000 day, you'll still hear some of them say, well, we're better than, but then, or that's not who we are

00:10:51.220 brother. You better start being that because you're in a whole different game now because the country's

00:10:56.020 totally different because the Democrat party is there. They have a total different level of power now than

00:11:00.840 they've ever had. And the Democrats themselves are radically different. They're all commies now. 0.72

00:11:05.440 So you had better start learning to play this game hard. And it's good that they went after this

00:11:10.280 woman. That's how, that's how you have to play it. Look, if you're going to become DA of Fulton

00:11:14.560 County, Georgia, Fulton County, Georgia is a major County. Look, it wouldn't matter if it's a small

00:11:18.000 County. Actually, I wish I hadn't even said that, but you're the DA of a County in the United States of

00:11:22.520 America. And to know that you took that position, you only got that position to enrich yourself.

00:11:27.640 Everyone knows she's been pocketing money the whole time. That moron actually admitted it on

00:11:32.060 camera. She pocketed campaign money. So she's only ever viewed this position, not as some,

00:11:37.120 some way to bag bad guy. She's always trying to line her pockets. And then she realized she had

00:11:42.900 a political opportunity to move up in her communist party by taking Trump out. No sense of duty or honor 0.92

00:11:49.420 about the office at all. I know that's not new for politicians, but it's really gross. There's nothing

00:11:53.940 terrible that could happen to these people where I'd go, oh, that's too bad. No, no, no.

00:11:57.480 Send them all to jail.

00:11:59.340 But they really might wind up there. That's the irony. You can't go to jail for perjury. You

00:12:03.680 certainly can go for corruption. And Andy McCarthy over at national review has been saying repeatedly,

00:12:08.000 like, don't be surprised if they get criminally charged beyond perjury for the behaviors that are

00:12:14.040 alleged here. So there is a lot at stake as these closing arguments to the hearing, not to the,

00:12:18.720 you know, there's the trial against Trump, Roman et al. And then there's the hearing to see whether

00:12:23.440 these will be the DAs to bring that case to trial. That is what's going down today. The closing

00:12:27.680 arguments, they begin at one, um, and we'll be listening to them again, and then have drop a

00:12:32.760 second podcast later on today. All right, let's switch a little to the Trump legal cases outside

00:12:38.820 of Georgia because something interesting happened, um, yesterday in the Mar-a-Lago documents case out

00:12:47.760 of Florida, which has been nicely delayed for Trump, right? Like they're going through who needs

00:12:54.900 which security clearance, even on the defense lawyers team, right? It's like even Trump may not

00:12:59.880 be able to see the documents that they say he unlawfully hoarded because he no longer has the

00:13:05.780 security clearance. Like they have to work all this stuff out before they go to trial.

00:13:09.500 So I still don't think that case gets tried anywhere before November, but something interesting,

00:13:15.280 the prosecutors yesterday sent a letter to judge Cannon. She was Trump appointed

00:13:19.220 proposing a date for trial. It was supposed to happen in May. Everybody agrees it's not happening

00:13:23.340 in May, new date for the trial, July 8th. And Trump's lawyers made an abrupt turnabout,

00:13:32.100 styles in the New York times. And I agree with that characterization saying,

00:13:35.320 not July, but one month later, August 12th, which would be three months before election day.

00:13:43.080 And that's right after the Republican national convention would be, would have closed right

00:13:48.720 August 12th. And I was asking myself, why on earth would he be asking for an August trial date

00:13:54.820 in the case that legally is the best against him, right? The Mar-a-Lago documents case for all the

00:14:00.700 stuff he did after he got the subpoena is the strongest legally. And, and the speculation is

00:14:06.200 that he'd much rather get that case, which will take months to try going to block the January 6th

00:14:15.560 federal case from going at all prior to November. I mean, it seems like the Trump team sees real legal

00:14:22.780 peril in that January, or maybe just political peril in that January 6th trial starting, and they won't

00:14:29.020 start one while another one is going. So what do you make of all that?

00:14:34.380 Well, I think it's all political peril, maybe. And let me, let me explain. That was the lamest

00:14:41.500 frigging answer ever. So let me, allow me to explain myself, Megan. First, I legally, legally,

00:14:47.120 that may be the savvy move because look, when it comes to the January 6th trial in Washington, D.C.,

00:14:54.000 Trump is screwed for lack of any other better way to put it. January 6th prisoners have been

00:14:59.700 convicted in that exact same area. 100% of the time, there's not a 99, 100% of the time that is

00:15:07.440 completely commie run. The judge is a dirt ball commie that Chutkin, the city votes 93, 94% Democrat. 0.80

00:15:13.600 They all think Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler and the Antichrist. He's not walking out of that trial

00:15:18.440 without being convicted. Whatever that looks like, I don't know. He will be convicted in Washington,

00:15:23.340 D.C. So if they're trying to avoid that before the election, that's good. But most people, as you

00:15:30.200 well know, they're not as informed as everyone listening and watching this show. They're just

00:15:34.580 not. The people who listen, watching this show have options. They choose to watch Megan Kelly. So

00:15:38.340 they're going to be more informed than the normal voter. To the normal voter, Megan,

00:15:42.260 I don't think they separate out these trials as much as people like you and me and your listeners

00:15:48.200 do. It's just Donald Trump's on trial. They know there are multiple trials. What I'm saying is

00:15:52.460 it's going to depend on how legitimate the regime currently is putting him on trial while people

00:16:00.780 are voting. If he has a trial that starts in August, you say it's going to run a couple months.

00:16:05.380 We're now butting up against all this early voting stuff. Are the American people, are they

00:16:11.820 as disenfranchised as they should be about their justice system so that the fact he's on trial for

00:16:19.280 a felony won't affect how they vote? Or maybe it'll actually push them into his corner. And that's an

00:16:24.340 answer I don't know, Megan. How much legitimacy does the regime still have for Norm and Norma,

00:16:30.340 for the normie American who isn't very educated on the issues? They're watching the game right now

00:16:35.440 instead of this. Are they going to understand that it's a bunch of crap, that all this stuff's

00:16:40.340 a bunch of crap? I don't have the answer to that question, Megan, but that's maybe the question for

00:16:44.480 the year. I don't know. It does matter. I think Republicans know, but independence must be won in

00:16:49.800 order for Trump to win the presidency. And I don't know that they know or care. I think the big C

00:16:55.040 conviction could be very problematic for them. Listen to this, just coming across the wires here

00:17:00.600 via CNN's Paula Reed in Florida federal court, in the case that we're talking about, in the very

00:17:05.280 situation we're talking about right now. In a bad sign, she tweeted out, in a bad sign for Jack

00:17:10.900 Smith, the prosecutor, Judge Cannon, that's the Florida Judge Mar-a-Lago case, called some aspects

00:17:16.660 of the government's proposed July 8th trial schedule unrealistic, more as we get it. So she's not

00:17:23.200 inclined to go July 8th. I'm not surprised. And also, she tweets, special counsel Jack Smith says,

00:17:29.080 oh, listen to this, Jesse. This is important. You remember when James Comey came out that October

00:17:36.280 before the November election, Hillary Clinton's bad. She's bad, bad, bad, all the emails, but we're 0.98

00:17:42.160 not going to charge her. And people say, well, first of all, there's a DOJ policy not to interfere

00:17:47.280 with an election 60 days before. So realistically, the DOJ was never going to charge her. Then others said,

00:17:52.900 well, he just violated it by coming out as an FBI guy and slewing all this mud toward her. Listen to

00:17:58.380 this. But I mean, many people have been saying there's no way the DOJ tries to push these cases

00:18:01.820 up to November because same thing. DOJ, unwritten policy, but long followed. You don't start a case

00:18:10.520 right before an election. It looks like an election interference. Now, special counsel gives it to us.

00:18:16.500 DOJ policy discouraging public investigative actions 60 days before an election does not apply

00:18:23.420 to setting a trial date on cases that have already been charged. Quote, we are in full compliance

00:18:29.540 with that policy, Jack Smith told Judge Cannon, the prosecutor told Judge Cannon. So

00:18:35.020 they're full speed ahead. They don't give a shit that we're going to have the presidency on the line

00:18:41.560 on November 5th. In fact, they do care and they're actively trying to influence it.

00:18:46.500 Yeah, this is why I say we're going to get a national divorce, Megan. I don't have another 0.97

00:18:51.600 way to put it. I don't I don't know what that expiration date is, but I am very hesitant to

00:18:58.680 say we can put Humpty Dumpty back together again. I have a special about this on the first TV about

00:19:04.040 national divorce and and how we're going separate ways right now. I have Ron DeSantis on to talk about

00:19:10.820 it and various other things. But the what basically the point of it is, Megan, is we're going this way

00:19:15.960 so quickly and they don't seem anymore on the left. There are no more guardrails, right? There used to

00:19:22.420 be, you know, blue dogs or moderates or even in a place like California, you had to. Yes, you were a

00:19:29.380 Democrat, but you had to be sane. Right. But there are no more guardrails and there's nothing stopping

00:19:35.040 these people now. They don't look at this stuff, look at putting the president on trial for ridiculous

00:19:40.720 charges while he's in an election. They don't look at it like the normal person looks at it and horror

00:19:46.460 and this is ridiculous. That's just how these people operate. That's how they've always operated.

00:19:50.820 You get power. You use power under any circumstances with no matter what happens. You use the power you

00:19:57.440 have to destroy your enemies and reward your friends. And once you've gotten there as a nation,

00:20:02.040 Megan, I don't know how you can ever come back. Like, I don't, I hope we can. Right. But I don't

00:20:07.600 know how you could. I don't know what that looks like. How do you do that without all these people

00:20:11.480 going to prison? And that's not going to happen. It's true that this is why lovers of America should

00:20:15.560 be rooting for Trump in all four of these cases. That's why you should be rooting for Trump.

00:20:19.760 You know, you try. I know they're not going to, but that, but the country's on the line,

00:20:23.980 what we stand for, who we are, how we operate the future. Are we a banana Republic or not? All that stuff

00:20:28.840 is on the line in these cases, no matter whether you love him or hate him. Um, to your point about

00:20:34.440 how extreme the left has gotten, take a listen to Rachel Maddow. She's, she and everyone at MSNBC, 0.99

00:20:42.460 they're very mad that the Supreme court agreed to hear the appeal of that case. It originated in the

00:20:51.020 DC January 6th federal trial where judge Chutkin who can't stand Trump ruled, you don't have immunity

00:20:57.060 for acts you took as president. No. Then it went up to the DC circuit court of appeals and a George

00:21:03.000 HW Bush appointee and two, I think Obama appointees came to the conclusion that judge Chutkin was right.

00:21:09.400 He does not have immunity. He can knock it out of these charges by saying I was president at the

00:21:13.180 time. You can't charge me criminally for those acts. And a lot of people thought the Supreme court

00:21:18.040 would not take that an appeal from there that Trump asked them to take. Well, they did. And that

00:21:24.200 effectively means the January 6th trial does not go before the election. It's just at best,

00:21:29.820 the Supreme court will issue its ruling late June and it's going to be very, in the whole case,

00:21:34.580 underlying case in the meantime is held in abeyance. Nothing can happen in the case while

00:21:38.680 SCOTUS has it. Nothing. It's basically the trial court judge loses her jurisdiction. So they're angry

00:21:44.040 because they realized J six, which is their fave, their number one fave. Jesse is not going to trial

00:21:48.840 before November. Here's Rachel Maddow predicting. Okay, watch this. What's going to happen next?

00:21:55.680 Watch. The conclusion that we can arrive at now based on what they have done without having to

00:22:01.280 wait for the ruling is that they are ensuring that Trump will not face trial. And when they

00:22:06.620 inevitably rule that presidents aren't immune from prosecution after they leave office,

00:22:11.680 what that will tell Donald Trump, if by then he is president, is that he can never leave

00:22:20.040 the office of the presidency. And if he is voted out in 2028, he cannot leave office and he is willing

00:22:28.440 to commit, he is welcome to commit any crimes he wants to, as long as he is still president in order

00:22:33.560 to ignore the result of that election and stay in power for life. This is BS. It's just flagrant,

00:22:40.440 flagrant bullpucky. These people are crazy.

00:22:46.700 Megan, the communists are really, really, really good at creating idols. And I've found this

00:22:52.820 fascinating over the past few years. Well, once I figured out what they do to watch them do it,

00:22:58.460 and not just idols you should worship, but also idols you should throw tomatoes at, they'll create

00:23:03.520 them ad hoc, right? They'll just do that. George Floyd actually is a great example. No one in the

00:23:07.980 country is a crap about a black drug dealer who died of an overdose. Let's just be honest. They 1.00

00:23:12.060 didn't. Yet everyone immediately started to care and thought maybe they should care, or at least felt

00:23:17.600 like they should pretend to care because they took the situation and they knew that they could gain

00:23:22.960 power with it. And so they immediately started putting up murals. He's having more funerals than

00:23:28.280 the English queen. It was wild.

00:23:30.560 By the way, there's no mural or statue of Thomas Sowell anywhere.

00:23:34.380 Of course.

00:23:34.740 George Floyd, as you point out, drug dealer. No. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

00:23:38.020 All over the place. They're in New York City. They're all over the place. So immediately they

00:23:41.780 built an idol. They saw an opportunity. They built an idol and they told America, worship,

00:23:45.460 worship, worship. They do it with Ukraine. Now, hey, don't you defend democracy? Don't you care about

00:23:49.400 democracy? And they do the same thing with idols they want you to throw tomatoes at. And Donald Trump is

00:23:54.760 the best example of this of my lifetime. Donald Trump is a fairly moderate Republican, definitely

00:24:02.780 more of a pragmatic deal maker type. People forget how many deals he tried to strike with Democrats

00:24:09.500 and Republicans when he first got elected. Yeah, he was on board for an amnesty deal. People forget

00:24:14.900 that. Oh yeah, sure. Let's get a deal done. He's fairly middle of the road, but they have in their

00:24:20.260 minds convinced themselves that this is Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, everyone rolled up into one. He's 0.69

00:24:27.600 this gigantic fascist demon and they really, really believe it at this point in time, Megan. It's why

00:24:33.760 they sound so insane with their rhetoric. It's why they've done everything they could possibly do to

00:24:38.820 destroy him and they justify it in their minds, right? How could you use your position as special

00:24:44.400 counsel, as a DA? How could you use that to go after the president? It looks bad. Well, I try to

00:24:49.580 explain to people on the right who don't get this, what would you do if you could take out Adolf Hitler?

00:24:56.500 And they laugh and they mock their eyes. Oh, he's not Adolf Hitler. Yes, I know he's not Adolf Hitler,

00:25:01.360 but in their minds, he is. It's what they do, Megan. These people believe that anything and everything

00:25:07.020 is permissible to take out Donald Trump because he's some unique threat to the country. It's wild to be on

00:25:13.940 the outside of that psychosis looking in, but that's what we're looking at. Well, I think it

00:25:20.580 was fairly clear last time around, Jesse. I lived it. You did too, 2020. Trump did not want to leave

00:25:24.980 then. Trump was convinced he had not lost and was holding on with all dear might. But what did he do?

00:25:33.760 He left. He did not stay in office, even though they impeached him twice. They'd done all, right?

00:25:39.240 Like all of the stuff. And now she wants us to believe that because he thinks he's going to be

00:25:44.520 criminally tried upon leaving office, like we're in Russia. I mean, they are obsessed with Russia

00:25:50.560 over at MSNBC. This actually is Vladimir Putin's reality. He probably would be killed or tried if he

00:25:56.980 left office. So he's probably not going anywhere at any point soon. But we're in the United States of

00:26:01.440 America. And Donald Trump, number one, if he gets into office as president, will just get rid of the

00:26:08.760 two federal prosecutions. He will just pull the DOJ off and they will end. He doesn't have to worry

00:26:13.500 about getting tried again. And he can also give himself a preemptive pardon. The Georgia case,

00:26:20.560 I guess he might potentially still have to worry about, but that's in the process of imploding,

00:26:24.940 Rachel. Maybe you didn't notice it because of the way your news coverage goes at MS.

00:26:29.240 And the New York case is a nothing. So I'm not sure exactly what she's talking about.

00:26:34.500 But again, I think she's talking about the communist is talking about Russia,

00:26:38.880 as you might put it, Jesse Kelly.

00:26:41.520 It is, Megan. It's wild to watch them. And you know what makes me angry about this

00:26:46.660 is Rachel Maddow, who I don't know and don't care for, I at least can acknowledge is an intelligent,

00:26:52.480 talented human being. I see talent when I see Rachel Maddow. You know, she's not Don Lemon.

00:26:56.360 She has ability. She has talent to do it. Rachel Maddow very likely knows that everything she says 0.96

00:27:03.980 every single night is a bunch of crap, but her insane Democrat communist base doesn't. And so 0.70

00:27:09.900 every night she creates a world of make-believe for them intentionally. And it's, and honestly,

00:27:15.380 Megan, it's, it's cruel. Like, like if I went home every night and let's say my kids were small,

00:27:19.900 they're teenagers now, so this wouldn't work. But if I had little kids, four and five years old,

00:27:23.100 and I told them if they venture outside, that monsters will eat them in the backyard.

00:27:27.440 And I told them that over and over and over again. So eventually they live in this world of

00:27:30.800 make-believe in their minds. Wouldn't that be cruel to do? I think that would be a really cruel thing

00:27:35.760 to do. Well, that's what these dirt balls on TV do all the time. And Democrat politicians do all the 1.00

00:27:40.700 time. She knows that's a bunch of crap. She knows everything she's saying is a lie there.

00:27:45.660 But the psychopath Democrat, the mentally ill single woman at home on 15 anti-anxiety medications, 0.97

00:27:51.620 sits there and looks at all her cats and says, Oh my God, Trump's never going to leave. She believes

00:27:56.280 him.

00:27:59.980 Okay. I have to say, I don't agree with that. I think she so fears and has demonized Donald Trump. 0.69

00:28:08.540 She genuinely believes he's capable of anything and her audience feels the same. And they really

00:28:14.500 believe he's this monster-like figure who would get in there and just, you know, like the way your dog

00:28:21.660 is when you try to get him into the car to go to the vet, like, Oh, pause. No, no. As they try to

00:28:26.040 drag him out of the white house. I think they believe he'd do it. I think it's sincere. It's

00:28:31.880 sincere psychosis, but it's sincere.

00:28:33.160 Yeah. You might be right about her. How could we psychologize her? You know, we don't know,

00:28:40.320 but we're both right about her audience. The truth is as hard as this is to believe that we

00:28:45.260 share a country now with a lot of people who believe that. And that's, how do you, how do you

00:28:51.600 do that, Megan? Back to the national divorce talk. We've had a bunch of times on the show. How do you

00:28:56.540 and I share a country with these people who live in a world entirely of make-believe? No,

00:29:03.400 not grounded in reality at all. They believe the sky is green and it rains Sour Patch Kids.

00:29:08.620 How are we supposed to merge those two worlds? It's not as if they're slightly off. They live

00:29:13.840 in a world that is not real. I don't know how to put that. I don't know how to do that.

00:29:17.820 All right. To steal a phrase from Jane Austen through the mouth of Elizabeth Bednett, 0.99

00:29:23.100 laugh at them. We laugh at them. That's what we do. That's how we coexist. We have to mock them.

00:29:29.060 This is one of the reasons why I love you is you're quick to use humor and you talk about the

00:29:33.860 left. I get it. Some people don't like it. I like it because it's funny and it kind of calls out the

00:29:39.240 outrageousness of some of these soundbites and behavior in a very effective way. We'll get more

00:29:44.420 of the effective Jesse Kelly right after this very quick break. He stays with us. Don't go anywhere.

00:29:49.360 Jesse, more for you now on that news. We broke at the top of the hour with that voicemail from the

00:29:59.680 man who says he's a waiter in the area where all of our lawyers, Fannie Willis, Nathan Wade,

00:30:05.540 Terrence Bradley practice law. For those of us, those who are just joining us, we'll play it again

00:30:10.200 so you can hear what this man said. He contacted Ashley Merchant after Terrence Bradley, the lawyer

00:30:16.840 for Nathan Wade, one-time lawyer, took the stand and said, oh, we haven't talked in years. This is

00:30:22.440 after Terrence Bradley did a 180 on the text to Ashley Merchant saying the affair began long ago.

00:30:27.360 Then he gets on the stand, does a 180, and this guy was listening to the testimony, including

00:30:32.060 Terrence Bradley saying he hadn't spoken to Nathan Wade in two years. Well, this waiter drops the

00:30:41.120 following voicemail to Ashley Merchant. Listen. I'm calling. So I just watched the

00:30:47.140 Terrence Bradley hearing, and I noticed on there he said that he hasn't talked to Nathan Wade in two

00:30:54.840 years, but I work at a restaurant here on the square, and I waited on Terrence, B.C. Chopra, and

00:31:03.480 Nathan Wade about five weeks ago. So I just saw that and thought maybe you should know that if you want to call me back.

00:31:11.120 And now we've reached out to this person, and he has told us he knows most of the attorneys in the

00:31:19.960 area. They all go into this restaurant apparently for lunch. He says he met Nathan Wade about six

00:31:27.020 weeks ago after Nathan Wade joined Terrence Bradley and his lawyer, Chopra, who's mentioned there,

00:31:34.480 at the table, that the waiter introduced himself to Nathan because Nathan Wade was the only one he did not know on a

00:31:42.120 first-name basis. Watching the hearing, he was surprised to hear that they, quote, have not spoken in years.

00:31:49.540 Again, this is a claim. This is not going to make it into the dance today because evidence is no longer open.

00:31:55.580 Like, he's not receiving evidence. He's just receiving arguments today. But it is very interesting

00:32:00.700 and would, I mean, just how close are they? And is Terrence Bradley's resentment toward Nathan Wade

00:32:06.640 simmering but not in the open until now? Because he definitely was trying to sink him when he was

00:32:12.440 talking to Ashley Merchant via text. It wasn't until he looked scared shitless and took the witness stand

00:32:17.260 that he was like, what? No, nothing. I mean, just five weeks ago, whatever this was, they were

00:32:22.200 having lunch together, according to this witness. So something changed.

00:32:26.620 It's these people in these little areas where they control. I've seen this a hundred times in

00:32:31.340 politics. They're there and they're all corrupt, right? They're all stealing from each other and

00:32:36.240 they're so comfortable in their level of power because they normally own at least the top cops.

00:32:40.900 They own it all in this area that they're really brazen about their crimes. Megan, they're texting

00:32:46.240 about it. Who texts about crimes? They're texting about it. They're putting in emails or this or that.

00:32:50.960 And then when they get caught, they get caught so easily because as soon as you start looking

00:32:55.440 into it, these people were so brazen. They were just so out in the open that it made it really

00:33:00.200 obvious. That's what this looks like to me. Fulton County, Georgia has been a cesspool for a very

00:33:05.120 long time. Obviously it only got worse when Fannie Willis came in there and she brought all her 1.00

00:33:09.560 cesspool friends with her. Oh my gosh. This is like every day there's drip, drip, drip. You can't,

00:33:15.280 don't lie. Just don't lie. Just tell the truth. Even if it's embarrassing, it's less embarrassing

00:33:21.460 than lying and getting caught and potentially perjuring yourself. Okay. Okay. Moving on. I want

00:33:28.940 to get to what happened at the border yesterday. Both Trump went down and so did Biden, Mr. Biden

00:33:34.020 to Brownsville, which is less problematic than where Trump went closer to Eagle pass.

00:33:39.260 And I mean, I'll just, just look at the video. It's just, to me, it's just so disconcerting to

00:33:45.100 watch him walking. Jesse, you can see he's doing everything within his power to stay upright. Look

00:33:49.080 at this with the arms. I know, I know with the arms, like straight down at the sides, it's like German 1.00

00:33:54.180 soldier-esque, you know, with the arms straight down at the sides, you can see he's barely staying

00:33:58.320 upright. It's very scary to see him walking on gravel. This is the leader of the free world.

00:34:04.760 So he's down there. I'll say this though. I'll tell you why it's good news. He's there.

00:34:08.560 The Republicans won the immigration fight. They won. The American public are with the right

00:34:15.840 on this issue. Now, all it took was busload after busload after busload of illegals going to towns

00:34:23.120 near you all over the country for people to see how big a problem this is. And if you listen to

00:34:28.340 the New York times, the daily podcast today, it's very clear the Biden administration is waving the

00:34:32.400 white flag. They've heard the message. This has now become a quote, bipartisan issue. The only question

00:34:37.820 is what the solutions are going to be, but Biden knows we need to be more humane was a failure.

00:34:44.280 Yeah, it was a huge failure. And I have to, I have to be honest, Megan, I like to beat up the GOP a lot

00:34:50.000 because they're basically a bunch of low T weenies most of the time, but I have to give them credit for 1.00

00:34:55.540 busing illegals into places like New York city. Yes. Is it a political gimmick? Of course it's a

00:35:01.500 gimmick, but it is a brilliant political gimmick because it took this horrible burden of illegal

00:35:07.340 immigration that, that Southern states have been suffering forever. I mean, I I'm here in the

00:35:12.300 Houston area, Megan, there's a tiny, tiny town here called Alvin, Texas. Everyone can go look it up.

00:35:17.820 And at their, at their local school, I mean, this is not some fancy rich kid school or whatnot.

00:35:22.020 They had to build an entire Spanish speaking wing from all the illegals that are packed into the school 1.00

00:35:27.400 and illegal kids. Right? So this is how Southern states have been living forever, but transferring 0.67

00:35:32.420 that burden onto these media hotbeds like New York city and dumping this problem in the lap of

00:35:39.960 Democrat mayors who can't just print money, right? They don't have endless space. They don't have 0.96

00:35:44.540 endless money. That's one of the more brilliant political gimmicks I've ever seen out of the GOP.

00:35:49.880 It might be the most brilliant political gimmick I've ever seen. Now don't get me wrong. The GOP still

00:35:54.720 doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done to protect the country. But as far as making

00:35:59.100 Democrats look bad and probably more importantly, eroding their support, that has been a big win.

00:36:06.480 And I'm not to filibuster here. Sorry, Megan, but I think that's a big part of this illegal

00:36:10.580 immigration thing. Obviously everyone knows how elections work, especially presidential elections.

00:36:15.600 You're trying to cobble together coalitions, right? You want this coalition, that coalition,

00:36:19.440 that coalition, the black coalition in America has been 92% Democrat for as long as I've been alive.

00:36:26.680 That's just been reliable. And so don't get me wrong. They're not going to be 92% Republican next

00:36:31.520 time, but they have taken these illegals in places like New York city. And they of course take them 1.00

00:36:37.320 right to the poorest neighborhoods, which are all the black neighborhoods. And they dump the illegals in 1.00

00:36:41.540 the black neighborhoods. This is taking place in Boston. It's taking place all over the country.

00:36:45.120 And black people are freaking furious that their stuff, their rec centers, their schools are being

00:36:51.300 wrecked. So is that going to flip them to voting Trump? No, but it might slip some. If Democrats go

00:36:57.900 from having 92% of the black vote to 70, they're done. They're finished. They can't win elections. 1.00

00:37:04.320 And they're desperately trying to hold that coalition together right now.

00:37:07.860 Immigration just surpassed the economy as the number one issue in the country, even on the left.

00:37:14.160 This is a first it's huge. And I really think like it's, it's time. It's time for really harsh

00:37:21.200 border enforcement. That's what the country wants. Democrats are finally waking up to the reality.

00:37:26.160 And in part, because yes, fentanyl and the migrants everywhere and the rec centers and like the 0.99

00:37:31.900 surrender of our cities to people who don't share our values and don't want to assimilate. 1.00

00:37:36.660 And also because we're getting killed by these people. The case of Lake and Riley continues to

00:37:43.740 make headlines. Trump brought her up. He had spoken with her parents to his credit.

00:37:49.100 Uh, and here is what he said about Lake and Riley yesterday. It's not three.

00:37:53.500 The monster that charged, uh, charging the death is an illegal alien migrant who was led into our 1.00

00:38:01.280 country and released into our communities by crooked Joe Biden. He's crooked. Joe Biden

00:38:06.060 will never say Lake and Riley's name, but we will say it, but this is a Joe Biden invasion as he's

00:38:13.720 transported the entire columns of, uh, fighting aged men. And they're all at a certain age. And you look

00:38:20.380 at them, I said, they'll, they look like warriors to me. Something's going on that Biden migrant crime. 0.52

00:38:25.520 It's a new form of, uh, vicious violation to our country. Okay. Contrast that with the messaging

00:38:33.000 out of the white house on this same case. I give you Kareem Jean-Pierre.

00:38:38.280 Republicans are directly blaming president Biden for this. Uh, Republican Senator Josh Hawley said,

00:38:44.760 quote, these deaths are on him. What's the white house response to that?

00:38:50.380 So first of all, I want to offer our condolences to the family of Lake. And I mean, this is a

00:38:56.480 horrific, horrific loss for any family. And obviously any, if whoever's found guilty, uh, we need to

00:39:04.120 make sure that, uh, make sure that that happens. And obviously, uh, we don't want to, uh, we don't

00:39:09.860 want to see, uh, anything happen like that again. But here's the thing. We have done the work, uh, to

00:39:16.520 make sure we're dealing with a broken immigration system. The Republicans have gotten in the way.

00:39:21.800 They have gotten in the way.

00:39:25.000 Whoever is found guilty. I mean, the illegal you have in custody right now, who's been accused of the

00:39:32.040 crime, whose entire crime history we know. And by the way, the ending is the cherry on top of the

00:39:38.340 Sunday. It's really the Republicans fault. They're the ones to blame for the open border.

00:39:44.820 They're just gaslighting at this point.

00:39:47.160 Of course they're gaslighting. And it's like, you know, I was thinking about this a lot lately,

00:39:52.880 Megan, and I made a joke about it earlier about how, you know, mentally ill single women on anti-anxiety 0.99

00:39:58.480 man's voting Democrat, but actually there's a lot of facts behind that. And I think it'll help explain

00:40:03.040 this a little bit. They've been doing a lot of studies recently. How do people vote in the

00:40:06.740 country? Married men, women, single, whatever. And it's married men, Republican, married women,

00:40:12.060 Republican, uh, uh, single men, Republican. And it's about 50, 50, but they're, they'll 0.58

00:40:17.340 overwhelmingly vote Republican in those categories. But single women votes. I think it's like 72, 0.94

00:40:23.960 73% Democrat. They are the beating heart of the Democrat party. And then they started digging

00:40:30.120 into those numbers and they found it was something like 67% had been diagnosed with some sort of

00:40:35.000 mental illness. So I, I, yes, I'm making a joke, but it is true. The mentally ill single woman is 1.00

00:40:41.180 the beating heart of the Democrat party. Everyone listening or watching right now knows a woman in 0.56

00:40:45.580 their life. Her eyes are half bugged out of her skull. She ruins Thanksgiving every time bragging 1.00

00:40:49.880 about her 15th abortion. Everyone, everyone, everyone knows a woman like this. I know you're 0.73

00:40:53.660 laughing. I know you do, Megan. Well, you have to understand that that psycho creature, she's always 1.00

00:40:58.720 rage posting on Facebook about the mail or something. Everyone knows that person. When Democrats speak,

00:41:05.060 they're not speaking to you. They're not even attempting anymore to speak to you. The reason they

00:41:10.100 sound like nut balls. And the reason they give answers like that is they're speaking to her. 0.58

00:41:13.900 They're speaking to liberal aunt Peggy. They're only speaking to her because she is their entire

00:41:19.920 power base and they understand it. So when it seems like these people are speaking a totally

00:41:24.980 alien language to normal people, not even political people to normal people, it's because they are, 0.97

00:41:30.700 they're not talking to you. They're not even trying to talk to you. They're talking to liberal

00:41:34.220 aunt Peggy. Liberal nut balls, like aunt Peggy. I have an aunt Peggy, but she's not a liberal nut ball. 1.00

00:41:40.700 She's not. Peggy's not like that. God love you, aunt Peggy.

00:41:44.320 Sorry, Peggy.

00:41:45.700 No, not you. It was a generic, generic use of Peggy. By the way, the guy's name is Jose

00:41:51.200 Abara, who she's looking for. I-B-A-R-R-A. She should look that up because she's the White 1.00

00:41:57.140 House press secretary. And you know what? That guy's in for a world of hurt if our justice system

00:42:01.740 does what it's supposed to do. Not, not just whoever, whoever has found guilt, whomever could it be?

00:42:07.640 Well, we know. We know exactly who it is, ma'am. Okay. Ricky Schlott, former Megyn Kelly show

00:42:15.360 intern, now writer for the New York Post and others, very smart gal, has a piece in the New 1.00

00:42:22.140 York Post. Very interesting. The headline is, no wonder boys are turning toward conservative

00:42:27.380 beliefs. It's rebellion against their parents' woke ideology. And she points out that in New

00:42:34.660 York Magazine's The Cut, you know, it's like an offshoot. Um, there's a piece now by Catherine

00:42:40.580 Jeezer Morton, who asks, can we keep our sons from conservative politics? She's very concerned

00:42:48.620 that her son might be exposed to conservative ideology and might actually embrace it. And

00:42:55.900 what's happening more and more, Jesse, is they are. All these leftists who are trying to cram

00:43:03.660 woke ideology down the throats of these young boys are turning them into Jesse Kelly's. I've seen it

00:43:12.360 with my own eyes time after time. It's happening and it's fascinating and it's scaring these women 0.99

00:43:20.480 with the cats shitless. It is Megan. And I'm glad you brought it up because I see it all the time in

00:43:28.780 my own home. And I mean, let me clarify, cause I know everyone's watching or listening and saying,

00:43:32.720 well, yeah, they're your sons, right? So I have two teenagers, Luke and James, 13 and 14,

00:43:37.200 but it's, I'm not even talking about my sons. Yes. My sons are hardcore. It's their friends,

00:43:42.160 Megan. I don't sit and I, and I don't sit down and talk politics with my son's friends,

00:43:47.120 nor would I write. They come over, they're hanging out, they're playing. I don't get involved in any of

00:43:51.020 that kind of stuff. It's more, Hey, you want pizza? How about some video games? It's that,

00:43:54.820 but these kids, these kids are, some of them are to the right of me. And a lot of, look,

00:43:59.440 they're young. They don't understand with very much depth yet what they believe,

00:44:04.240 why they believe what they believe, but because they feel like society is against them. And because

00:44:10.060 it feels rebellious and wrong, they are vehemently against any of this woke crap,

00:44:16.780 all this LGBTQDI stuff. These are 12, 13 year old boys, Megan, and they are hardcore. I've walked 1.00

00:44:24.540 out of their room, my boy's room a couple of times saying, Oh my gosh, these kids, these kids might

00:44:29.760 just save this place one day. Yes. No. So she goes on to talk about how this one woman's son is

00:44:34.900 probably going to rebel against her. Ricky's positing because this G's or Morton writes my voice

00:44:39.900 raises as I start lecturing a teen about why he needs to recognize the importance of the history

00:44:44.760 of indigenous people for young men to experience the narratives of success. They feel they need to 0.78

00:44:51.580 start from a position of disempowerment. Blaming women for their troubles is an easy route to that 1.00

00:44:56.680 position. One more. She reflects on her time teaching at a local college where she says hetero boys are

00:45:02.640 imagining their enemies and experiencing a fake problem of cancel culture and victimhood. This is,

00:45:10.320 thank you, G's or Morton, because you are the one who's going to be our savior from turning all these

00:45:15.880 young boys into far leftists like you. That's all we need. We don't need Jesse Kelly, Megan Kelly,

00:45:21.820 no Kelly's. We need G's or Morton's out there, Jesse. We do. She should be our leading voice now,

00:45:27.360 Megan. Maybe she, she should just take over your show and my show because the more women like that 1.00

00:45:31.860 speak, the more hardcore they turn the next generation of young boys who feel like society

00:45:37.600 hates them, never speaks to them, belittles them, talks down to them. Well, young boys are going to

00:45:43.480 rebel. Look, when we were kids, Megan, what was rebellion? It was sneaking a cigarette out behind

00:45:48.080 the gym or doing something stupid like that. Don't smoke kids, by the way. You sneak a beer out of your

00:45:52.620 dad, out of your dad's fridge. But today what's real rebellion? It's standing up against all this crap.

00:45:58.480 And that's what the kids are doing. Anytime, Jeezer. Come on over. Jesse Kelly,

00:46:03.300 great to see you. Thanks for being here. You too. When we come back, an exclusive interview

00:46:07.340 about a new docu-series focused on the dangers of putting biological men in women's prisons.

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00:47:10.340 Now we have an exclusive look into a new docu-series by the Independent Women's Forum that is sounding the

00:47:22.660 alarm on the dire consequences of allowing trans-identifying biological males into female 1.00

00:47:29.600 prisons. These are men who claim they're women and get into female prisons, notwithstanding

00:47:34.780 whatever their history is and whatever they did to get them into prison. The docu-series is called

00:47:40.080 Cruel and Unusual Punishment, the male takeover of women's prisons. Here's the trailer. Watch. 1.00

00:47:47.660 California has passed legislation allowing transgender inmates in the state's correctional

00:47:52.480 facilities to be assigned housing based on their gender identity. We were very nervous, angry.

00:47:59.600 We weren't given a voice. No one asked us how we felt about this. No one did. In September,

00:48:06.900 California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 132 into law. As soon as the transfer started,

00:48:13.840 there were people having sex on the yard, in the porta-potties. We're getting the predators,

00:48:19.480 the sexual predators, people who have been incarcerated for rape, men who have been incarcerated

00:48:26.860 for oral copulation, men who have been incarcerated for crimes against women. California now joins

00:48:33.300 Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York City, and Massachusetts in recognizing inmates' gender

00:48:38.340 identity. They were like kids in a candy store because they knew they were going from a men's prison

00:48:42.720 to a female's prison. If this doesn't constitute bigotry, I don't know what does. Women's safety, 1.00

00:48:48.960 their mental health, overall well-being, everything has been compromised. And if you're purposely

00:48:54.160 putting a predator amongst prey, so to say, I don't got to tell you what's going to happen.

00:49:06.340 Honestly, I really don't think the public cares.

00:49:12.520 Amy Ichikawa, Independent Women's Forum Ambassador, and Kelsey Bowler, Independent Women's Forum

00:49:17.680 Director for Storytelling, join us now to discuss. Amy, Kelsey, welcome to the show.

00:49:22.600 Thank you for having us.

00:49:25.480 Yeah, you bet. I'm so glad you did this. I mean, since the day that Gavin Newsom said that they

00:49:29.840 were going to start doing this, it was very clear that this would lead to peril for incarcerated females. 1.00

00:49:37.100 And indeed, it has. So this is a great idea, Kelsey, to tell the story. Thank you for doing it.

00:49:42.960 And Amy, you unfortunately lived the story. You were incarcerated for five years,

00:49:49.940 and a trans-identified male was moved into your prison.

00:49:54.820 It was a drug deal gone wrong, extremely wrong. But eventually, once I finally got to prison,

00:50:02.500 there were some situations where there were trans-identified individuals who

00:50:07.960 a person was processing into the institution, and it was extremely disturbing.

00:50:13.320 I wasn't on the same yard or in the same unit as this individual, but it did send a clear message

00:50:19.180 across the entire population that someone's validation of their identity is more important

00:50:26.220 than the entire safety and well-being of the female population. 0.99

00:50:29.840 So in particular, there was a convicted rapist, as I understand it, named Richard Masbridge,

00:50:37.940 who identified as a trans woman, went by the name Sherry, in a prison transfer. So tell us about

00:50:45.580 your experience with that.

00:50:47.540 The depression, the feelings of worthlessness, and just being completely forgotten was

00:50:55.280 extremely heavy within the institution at that point. Nobody really believed us. People were

00:51:02.860 calling home and explaining this to their family members. And a lot of people thought we were crazy.

00:51:09.520 My own parents, until they saw it in the newspaper, couldn't believe that it was actually taking place.

00:51:14.640 But this was the person who had been convicted of multiple rapes, and they were crimes that took

00:51:23.180 place in the same county that the prison is in. So many women were familiar with the commission of 1.00

00:51:28.420 the crime. And it was, it was very, it was debilitating emotionally on some level. And there

00:51:36.440 was some electrocution that took place in the commission of that crime. And this individual walked

00:51:43.700 directly up to the Women's Advisory Council president and asked if they could help them get a job in the 0.99

00:51:50.040 electrical shop. So it's very brazen. This isn't a situation where people were just trying to

00:51:57.000 assimilate and fit in. It's definitely a hostile takeover.

00:52:01.280 So what was the women's reaction to his presence among you?

00:52:05.520 A lot of women were sad. A lot of women were curious. It eventually led to this person being 1.00

00:52:13.780 attacked and moved to a lower security prison. The culture that is being brought into the women's 1.00

00:52:24.260 facilities from the men's institution is nothing like women are used to being around or are familiar 1.00

00:52:33.900 with on any level. Women are not separated by crime level, security level, race, gang affiliation,

00:52:43.220 anything like that. But the men's facilities are highly segregated like that for safety purposes.

00:52:48.860 So when someone comes from a men's institution, they bring that type of politics into the women's 1.00

00:52:56.880 environment. And it's, it's very negative. It's very racist. It's not anything that I think anyone

00:53:05.880 could really be equipped to deal with or, or prepare themselves, uh, to wade through. So

00:53:13.180 when someone tells you that you have to sit in the back to watch TV because you're a certain color,

00:53:20.200 it just doesn't sit well with people. And when they're trying to implement their rules

00:53:26.000 in an environment where the program is completely different, it doesn't bode well either.

00:53:31.380 Hmm. This is a lot to deal with. I mean, Kelsey, you've, this is why you decided to shine a light

00:53:38.420 on this. And I understand on the, in the first episode of this, you're going to show us a woman

00:53:43.540 who had a cellmate who was actually a man claiming to be a female. And I cannot imagine the terror that

00:53:51.440 such a woman feels every night going into her bunk. Right. Those of us in the free world,

00:53:57.900 it's hard to imagine what this living space looks and feels like, but these women are in very tight 1.00

00:54:05.020 quarters. And now with biological men where they are sharing bunk beds, uh, with these individuals.

00:54:11.700 And, you know, I'll never forget one line really stuck with me, um, that, you know, women are climbing 1.00

00:54:18.060 up their bunk in their nightgown with a male sitting in bed beneath them, a fully intact male. Um,

00:54:26.100 they're, they are sharing showers and toilets, very intimate facilities with biological men. 0.87

00:54:32.960 And there's a huge story of media bias here. Uh, when I was doing background research for this

00:54:39.880 project, uh, I, I looked around at what type of stories are already out there. NBC vice news. There's

00:54:47.280 plenty of stories covering the implications of these policies, allowing biological men into women's 0.88

00:54:52.840 prisons from the perspectives of the trans identified men. And yet none of those reporters

00:54:59.240 who got access to the women's prisons apparently thought to stop and ask the female inmates, how do 1.00

00:55:06.240 you feel about these policies? How has your life changed? Have you been negatively impacted? Women across

00:55:13.220 the board are just being erased. They don't have a voice in this. We hope to change that because they

00:55:19.620 absolutely need to be heard. They are being harmed both mentally and physically every day by these

00:55:25.880 policies. It's absolutely disgusting. Some of the fallout, uh, that they're faced with every single

00:55:32.120 day by having biological men in such tight quarters with them. And, you know, this is just another piece 0.68

00:55:39.180 of this whole gender ideology puzzle where, uh, some activists tried to claim that, you know, there's such a 0.98

00:55:45.940 small portion of trans identified individuals in this country. Why are we, why are we paying so much 0.99

00:55:51.240 attention to it? The reason is because even one biological male in a women's prison or in any

00:55:57.840 women's space affects all of us, affects all women and girls. We have to stand up and be a voice. 1.00

00:56:04.820 That's right. We can't forget about women just because they're having to pay their dues to society 1.00

00:56:10.160 after committing a crime. They still have rights. It is cruel and unusual punishment to subject them to this.

00:56:14.920 This is totally unfair and it's unsafe as so many of these issues are involving men claiming that

00:56:21.820 they're women wanting access to our spaces. There was just an article, um, I'm just days ago by the

00:56:27.140 daily signal reporting on someone named Caitlin McGraw, a prisoner currently incarcerated in Wisconsin,

00:56:35.080 serving a sentence for possession of narcotic drugs and bail jumping. She's been there since summer of

00:56:41.260 2023. And she was forced to room in a small prison cell with a transgender prisoner. Whose name I 1.00

00:56:51.860 record reportedly is Mark Campbell. And she says, according to the daily signal that in September,

00:56:59.340 she had to, uh, file a report that, Oh, no, in September, she learned that this man raped his own

00:57:07.540 daughter, that he's a registered sex offender convicted of first degree sexual assault of a,

00:57:13.440 of a child. And now this man is according to the report, constantly masturbating and making sexual

00:57:20.980 comments and aggressive behavior toward her. And she's got to share a tiny cell with him. I mean,

00:57:28.160 this, I assume this is what you heard, Kelsey, when you looked into this, these kinds of stories,

00:57:32.180 right? Nobody in the free world would tolerate this behavior. And in some cases, these crimes,

00:57:39.300 women have a right to have basic privacy, uh, when, even when they are incarcerated. And, uh, 1.00

00:57:46.640 the sad thing is it's very difficult for them to speak out against these policies. And that is part of

00:57:52.280 Amy's story. Not only does she have direct experience herself being housed, uh, with a trans identifying

00:57:59.780 inmate behind bars, but she, since leaving prison has become the, the person that the female inmates 1.00

00:58:07.520 now go to, they contact her every single day, telling her the effects that these policies are

00:58:12.920 having and how they are powerless to fight back against it. And Amy really carries a heavy emotional

00:58:20.060 burden, um, in being contacted by them all the time. So that is part of her story. Um, in addition to

00:58:26.880 that, having all the typical women's organizations, so-called feminists slamming the door on her, 1.00

00:58:34.560 uh, not caring what she has to say about trying to fight for these female inmates, uh, and their basic 1.00

00:58:40.840 humanity behind bars. Um, I I'm proud that independent women's forum stepped in and is giving them a voice,

00:58:48.280 uh, because for far too long, Amy has been alone in this battle.

00:58:52.180 Amy, I, I know that you've been keeping this blog and getting feedback from incarcerated women. Now,

00:58:58.860 um, IWF sent over a sample that reads as follows. I'll read it in part. I'm wide awake nightmare from

00:59:06.140 my childhood. 1am in my unit, uh, blank just keeps getting accommodation after accommodation after

00:59:12.420 three incidents with three different white women. The first one he choked second, he repeatedly punched 1.00

00:59:18.140 her in the face, then the nerve to pull his penis out and demand that she perform fellatio on him. 1.00

00:59:24.080 Only the last victim was moved to sea yard pending an investigation. This woman has,

00:59:29.620 has been having, uh, a rough time since she's been put out from different rooms because she wakes up

00:59:35.160 screaming from her nightmares triggered by this guy. The last victims here for murder slash domestic

00:59:40.540 violence partner. She's been raped, beaten, et cetera. These women need help. So you've got,

00:59:47.620 and a portion of women who are in there who do have domestic violence pasts that are traumatic,

00:59:54.120 and now they're being forced to be housed with many men, some very high percentage of which,

01:00:01.940 uh, the, the number I saw was 33.8% of those who are housed, the males who are housed with females

01:00:09.600 are registered sex offenders over in great Britain. They say it's nearly 75, 75% of transgender prisoners in

01:00:17.380 Britain are behind bars for sex offenses per the Daily Mail.

01:00:20.720 And that's in comparison to the 17% approximately in the general male population. So this is a really,

01:00:28.000 uh, increased number. And the fact that they're registered means that this is not a first

01:00:33.480 offense as a sex crime. Uh, many women are serving life sentences behind, uh, killing their attackers, 0.99

01:00:42.480 their abusers. Um, 90% of incarcerated women in California are battered and beaten or have been

01:00:49.480 battered and beaten. And now they're continuing to be battered and beaten. So the PTSD that everyone

01:00:55.180 was recovering from is now morphing into a complex PTSD and the symptoms are being felt widespread.

01:01:02.040 Uh, women are, it's, it's like this contagion at this point. Uh, they're encouraged to just put their 1.00

01:01:08.960 heads down and get over it. Uh, if they seek mental health services, they're told, um, you know,

01:01:15.140 that they need to stop being transphobic. Uh, one woman, right. One woman was told that she had to

01:01:22.520 have her session cut short because the, uh, mental health care provider was uncomfortable. Uh, they're

01:01:30.000 really nowhere. And, and there's a very huge shortage of mental health, uh, clinicians within the prison

01:01:36.300 system too. So there's no rest it from this. They have no resources. There's no one to even talk to.

01:01:41.720 Uh, and it's, I mean, I can feel it through the phone calls on a daily basis, how, uh, desperate and

01:01:50.360 limited they're starting to feel. It's like the walls are closing in on them. This is a nightmare.

01:01:55.980 So what's the solution? Cause I mean, like the law, the laws is as your trailer points out

01:02:00.820 has been changed in many States to allow this, right? There's different policies in California

01:02:07.540 actually passed a law, like a handful of other States, um, proactively opening the door for anyone

01:02:13.860 who self identifies as transgender or gender non-conforming to go be housed in the women's

01:02:20.640 prisons. And men are taking advantage of that for a variety of reasons. Some of them might really

01:02:25.860 believe they are transgender if there is such thing. Um, but others are taking advantage of it 0.99

01:02:31.760 because why wouldn't they want to, why, um, you know, the, the female facilities in, in, in many ways 0.98

01:02:39.900 are much more appealing than living amongst the men, male facilities. Um, and then at the federal level,

01:02:47.860 uh, we have the Biden administration encouraging, um, federal prisons to allow biological men into women

01:02:55.820 prisons. And we've seen, um, when, when lawmakers press the Biden administration on how many trans

01:03:04.360 identified inmates even exist in federal prisons right now, they, they can't, or they won't give

01:03:09.740 an answer. So there's just a lack of transparency across the board. And nobody is, is saying that we

01:03:16.440 can't have certain accommodations for individuals who have really gone down the rabbit hole and had

01:03:22.120 taxpayer funded surgeries. By the way, we are paying for these inmates who identify as transgender to

01:03:27.860 get surgeries, uh, to appear more like a woman. Nobody is saying that we can't have some accommodations 0.62

01:03:34.460 for them, but that does not mean we should be sacrificing women's safety and wellbeing in order

01:03:41.100 to accommodate their feelings that they feel like a woman. This is absolute madness. This is not fair.

01:03:49.260 And it's definitely not safe. Again, people need to do something about this. I mean, the first thing

01:03:54.280 you can do is watch the docu-series, get yourself up to speed on what's actually, all the predictions

01:03:58.780 have come true. I mean, that's basically where we are. Kelsey, thank you for doing this, Amy, all the

01:04:03.540 best to you. And thank you for telling your story. Uh, the audience should know the docu-series is called

01:04:08.500 Cruel and Unusual Punishment, The Male Takeover of Women's Prisons. And it's available now. You can 0.99

01:04:14.780 find it at www.iwf, like independentwomensforum.org, slash cruelandunusual, and at the Independent

01:04:25.420 Women's Forum YouTube channel. Take care. Thank you both so much. Thank you. Thank you.

01:04:31.920 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 01, 2024

Media Freakout Over Trump Trials, and Biological Men in Women's Prisons, with Jesse Kelly, Kelsey Bolar, and Amie Ichikawa ｜ Ep. 735

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