The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Gaslights on Alleged Shooter's Motivations, and Charlie Kirk's Legacy, with Victor Davis Hanson

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.340 We are continuing to follow the latest developments in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:00:20.360 Yesterday, the alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, was formally charged by Utah authorities

00:00:24.780 who confirmed they are seeking the death penalty for aggravated murder.

00:00:28.860 The media reaction has been shocking, but not surprising, again, with reporters and pundits

00:00:34.920 claiming the motive is unclear. Despite alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, telling his parents

00:00:40.200 there's too much evil and he, referring to Charlie, spreads too much hate. That's according to the

00:00:46.720 charging documents. And in text messages to his male roommate, quote, transitioning to female,

00:00:52.740 which cannot be done, Robinson wrote, referring to Kirk, quote,

00:00:57.060 quote, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.

00:01:02.640 Joining me now to react to all of this, Victor Davis Hanson. He's the host of The Victor Davis Hanson Show.

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00:03:02.960 they've heard. Thank you. Victor, great to have you. Also the author of the book, The End of

00:03:09.860 Everything, which is now out in paperback. By the way, it's been updated with new info that you're

00:03:14.020 going to want to read. This is such gaslighting. We went through how many days after we saw what was

00:03:21.020 written on the bullets of them saying, no, don't believe what's on the bullet casings. He was a right

00:03:26.840 winger. He came from the MAGA family and he was MAGA, but went from days of that. By the way,

00:03:32.820 here's just one example. Jimmy Kimmel. This is him on Monday refusing to acknowledge that he was a

00:03:40.820 left winger, notwithstanding by the fact that we already had this information from the Utah governor

00:03:45.060 that he was indoctrinated into the left wing ideology. We saw what he had written on the bullets.

00:03:49.120 Just one example of one prominent media figure refusing to accept that. Here it is in Sot 9.

00:03:53.920 We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize

00:04:00.600 this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they

00:04:05.660 can to score political points from it. Okay, so it's the right wing who's in denial about this

00:04:13.800 young man's affiliations. By the way, he was not a kid. He was 22 years old. We went through that.

00:04:19.240 Then it was made perfectly clear over the past two days that this kid, to use Jimmy's word,

00:04:25.820 has been completely indoctrinated into left wing ideology. His parents said that. His parents said

00:04:31.460 he had moved farther left politically. He had gotten very into the messaging of the left wing around

00:04:39.620 gay rights and trans ideology. And then we see what was written on the bullet casings.

00:04:46.260 And now the message is shifting from the left to, well, we, we still might not know his motivation,

00:04:53.960 but really who cares? Listen to CNN analyst, Juliette Kayyem, Sot 11b.

00:05:00.980 I heard the congressman on there saying, oh, we need to tone down the rhetoric. Well,

00:05:04.460 will the rhetoric get toned down? I mean, again, I go back to what was on the bullet

00:05:08.520 from this kid was fascism. And that's, that's only coming from one side currently in this debate.

00:05:14.020 And it's on every placard and every poster around the country. I mean, I don't think we

00:05:18.900 know the meaning, uh, uh, of, of his message. And we know his history.

00:05:27.020 No, no, no, no, no.

00:05:27.940 Bella Chow is an anti-fascist thing. It says fascists catch this.

00:05:30.700 Then I'll give you, then I'll give you his history, right? Think about his history,

00:05:35.260 his history. And, but this is not the, this is, this is my point, not yours. This was my point,

00:05:42.500 not yours. The point is who cares? A man was killed and you have yet to say political violence

00:05:52.600 is bad, period. That's all that people want from the president. That's all. And we're getting the

00:05:59.740 spin up of the you and this and what stop counting. Stop looking because you're not going to, you're

00:06:05.340 not going to divine a perfect motive in this case. I think, I think we're looking for it where you're

00:06:11.900 not going to divine it. We generally don't. Okay. That was Friday, but she continued to double down

00:06:16.320 on those sentiments as the days pass by. And then I'll end on this one for now. CNN's Caitlin

00:06:21.200 Collins with Ted Cruz last night, last night when we've, we've, we heard everything. She's heard

00:06:27.180 everything that you and I have heard. And this is what she says to Ted Cruz.

00:06:30.980 We don't have a motive yet. We don't know yet. We're waiting. Obviously we've heard what the

00:06:34.020 governor's had to say with the, of course we know we don't have a motive yet. We know we don't,

00:06:38.120 we don't have a motive yet. Really? Really? That's CNN's position. He just happened to fire the gun

00:06:43.860 in celebration. You can't tell the motive. Senator, that's not what I said. And I said,

00:06:51.200 law enforcement hasn't laid out a direct motive. They've laid out a lot of evidence here of these

00:06:55.440 messages and what they said. They said that he was a left wing activist who hated Charlie Kirk.

00:07:02.500 Pardon? Senator, with all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying. I'm not arguing with

00:07:07.460 you politically. I'm saying that law enforcement has not put a specific motive. You know that there's

00:07:11.820 a difference of what they're putting in a legal argument than what you're talking about. And

00:07:15.520 you're not even, we're not even arguing about the facts here. What you just said is false,

00:07:20.580 Caitlyn. Caitlyn. Good for Ted Cruz. He was 100% correct and she was 100% wrong. And there's a reason

00:07:29.460 they won't say what we are being told. I mean, that quote about him drifting over to the left

00:07:36.680 considerably and endorsing gay rights and becoming indoctrinated by trans ideology,

00:07:42.620 that's from his mother. Where do we get that? Law enforcement. But Caitlyn Collins will not

00:07:47.480 acknowledge that, nor will any on the left who are out there pretending. It's all just a mystery.

00:07:53.300 Maybe we'll never know, Victor.

00:07:56.260 Yeah, I think everybody knows what's going on. They project and what they're deathly afraid of

00:08:01.580 is that someone might use this tragedy or this, not a tragedy, this act of evil in the way that they

00:08:09.460 took George Floyd and they rioted for five months. And when they were done, they pushed through no

00:08:17.520 cash bail, defund the police, BLM, DEI mandates. And they feel that everybody operates in the same

00:08:25.700 mindset that they do. So it's very important that they say there was no political motive here. It was

00:08:31.820 probably a right-wing family. Don't dare do what we did. And of course, the people who have been

00:08:38.240 commemorating his passing never had any desire to do that. They're not rioting. They're not arsoning.

00:08:44.300 They're not torching courthouses or police precincts. They're not doing any of that. They're not getting

00:08:50.880 free zones in the middle of cities. But they think they'll do that. And the irony about it is this was

00:08:58.340 clear-cut. That chat group of 20 or so people, they were from one ideology. The trans lover was one

00:09:06.500 from everybody in his family said he had gone hard left. So that was unmistakable. But in the case of

00:09:14.980 George Floyd, there were two things. There was a big debate whether his amphetamines or his prior

00:09:21.720 COVID or his fentanyl use or resisting police had made him more vulnerable to what Officer Chauvin did.

00:09:29.280 And there was a big debate about whether unarmed black men are inordinately shot as suspects. And

00:09:35.780 everybody from Harvard economist Roland Fryer to the Washington Post said, given the encounters

00:09:41.120 with black males between 19 and 40 with the police, and what were the percentage of the encounters

00:09:50.060 versus being shot while on dorm? It was statistically no different than anybody else. And that was the

00:09:57.940 fact. And yet they took that and they fabricated a whole myth that the police are on a rampage killing

00:10:04.740 black males. And therefore, we got to get this critical race theory, critical legal theory,

00:10:10.280 all these Soros D.A. And they did. They had a revolution for four years. And now they're saying

00:10:15.180 to themselves, oh my gosh, that was successful. And now the right could do what we did. So we've got

00:10:21.800 to nip it in the bud and stop all narratives that this was politically motivated and say it's both sides,

00:10:27.780 it's a cycle of violence and concentrate on ending assault weapons. You know, the irony is I have kind

00:10:35.920 of a .30-06 that I inherited, the same rifle. It's not a Mauser, it's a Springfield, but it's a bold

00:10:41.680 action .30-06. And when these people talked about banning assault weapons, it's very slow firing,

00:10:49.220 believe me, with a bold action. And when Jasmine Crockett said, well, left-wing people can't shoot.

00:10:55.940 Anybody that has, I'm a very bad shot. And I've been shooting that rifle since I was 12 years old.

00:11:02.540 You can make that shot with an open peep sight or a buckhorn sight without a scope. It's not a hard

00:11:09.780 shot to do, especially in your elevated. So all this disinformation that we're going to ban assault

00:11:15.180 weapons are handguns when the gun was a deer rifle. That's what it's used for. And it's a slow firing

00:11:21.940 gun. And for someone who's had two or three hours of experience, it's not difficult to do what this

00:11:29.480 horrible person did. So all this, what I'm getting at, Megan, this is all misinformation because they're

00:11:35.520 projecting and they're terrified that the right would use their methodology. And the final irony

00:11:41.020 is they're not. They never had any intention of rioting, protesting, driving through an agenda

00:11:46.540 by using the death of Charlie Kirk in the way that... By the way, let me just play that Jasmine

00:11:51.960 Crockett soundbite, which we have. Here it is. When we look at it, please tell me who is fostering

00:11:58.740 this gun culture, right? I mean, the reality is that the average person on the left probably couldn't

00:12:04.880 make a shot from 200 yards because they haven't been playing with assault rifles since they were a

00:12:10.560 little kid. Like that is just the reality of how people on the left typically work. And if we

00:12:16.200 believe that political violence is a problem in this country, if we believe that our children on

00:12:21.240 campuses, just because they want to go out and have a day of free speech on campus may be subjected to

00:12:27.380 this kind of violence, then maybe we need to start talking about legislation that will keep these types

00:12:33.360 of weapons out of certain people's hands. Now, whether or not this gentleman would have qualified

00:12:38.060 under any type of laws that many of the Democrats have proposed, I don't know.

00:12:44.900 Okay. So left-wing can't shoot guns because they're not good shooters. I mean, I'm sorry,

00:12:49.960 but didn't we have 20 children shot three weeks ago at the Minneapolis school while the children were

00:12:57.340 at the opening mass? That was a left-wing crazed lunatic, seemed pretty decent with the gun,

00:13:04.220 unfortunately. Yep. And the person who shot Steve Scalise was a former Bernie Sanders activist.

00:13:11.540 The person who shot Trump? Yep. Same thing. They were pretty good shots. They seemed well acquainted.

00:13:17.380 Everything she said actually was a lie. It wasn't an assault weapon. She doesn't know what an assault

00:13:21.780 weapon is. It was a bold action, hunting deer rifle, as I said. But that's important, Victor,

00:13:28.100 because even on the left, when they were talking about they want assault weapons bans,

00:13:31.260 they think that's going to solve everything. This wouldn't have been banned. This gun would

00:13:35.740 not have been banned under their assault weapons ban. There's 500 million guns in the United States,

00:13:42.780 and there's no way you're going to round them all up unless you want a police state.

00:13:46.820 More importantly, when she said this gun culture on the right, there is a gun culture,

00:13:51.080 and it is an illegal gun culture, and it's called inner-city handguns. And that's where most people

00:13:57.040 are killed. It's about 7% of people are shot. She should know that as a self-proclaimed woman

00:14:01.600 from the hood, you know, if you believe her. Yeah, she should. That's her background.

00:14:04.520 She should. And she does know it. It's a lie. She does know it. She does know it. And she's lying,

00:14:08.260 as she always does. And, you know, I think after we've seen this horrific last two weeks of the

00:14:15.020 murder on the light rail of Irina Zaritsuka, and you saw Charlie Cook, and there was the Auburn

00:14:25.260 murder, and there was... I think people are just tired of all of this demagoguery. And when Jasmine...

00:14:32.300 I don't know why people... I mean, Jasmine Crockett was an upper-middle-class kid who went to prep

00:14:38.540 school, and then she gets on television and adopts this fake inner-city patois, and she spouts all

00:14:45.320 this hatred and all this misinformation, and we're supposed to take her seriously. She's not a

00:14:50.980 serious person. But the left is in full... You saw that with Kash Patel. They're in a full-fledged panic

00:14:58.620 because they know that this violence is coming from left, that people who are trans, identify as trans,

00:15:06.780 are over-represented. Not in all of the... What they do is they go back to all the shootings the

00:15:12.040 last hundred years when the trans phenomenon's about 10 years old. If you look at the most recent

00:15:17.580 one, five, six incidents, and you look at what scientists, psychologists, sociologists have said

00:15:25.280 about the incidence of gender dysphoria in the general population, it's about one or two people

00:15:30.560 per hundred thousand prior to this sensationalism and fetish. So they know all that, and so what

00:15:39.080 they're doing is transparent.

00:15:41.360 Let me ask you this, because they've... Some have taken it to an even more bizarre place. You know,

00:15:47.140 you've got the he's MAGA crowd into the who cares, what does it matter crowd, and then you have

00:15:53.660 like, a truly bizarre strain of, it was loving. He did it out of love. This is not a hater. This

00:16:01.300 is somebody who was, well, I'll let Montel Williams put it in his own words here on CNN last night,

00:16:08.520 Sod 8.

00:16:09.500 There are people who are trying to pigeonhole this as a leftist thing and a right thing,

00:16:13.060 and what we're really talking about, hear me, because I'm going to throw you when I say this,

00:16:17.460 we're talking about a love-torn child, a kid. This is probably his first real relationship,

00:16:24.060 and somebody was disparaging the person that he loved. He sat on that building for 30 minutes

00:16:31.060 before he took the shot. Why did he wait until the first word trans came up? Then he took the shot.

00:16:36.140 You think he heard it? He could hear it?

00:16:37.780 I think he could hear it. I think he also, I don't believe he was motivated politically. I think this

00:16:43.200 was motivated emotionally. I think this was a emotionally stunted person who literally,

00:16:51.380 when I say it this way, just hear me, tried to defend his significant other,

00:16:56.200 not trying to defend some ideology.

00:16:59.380 Okay, not for nothing, but the lower third on that whole SOT, which was on CNN,

00:17:04.660 which is Caitlin Collins' network, said,

00:17:07.000 dox, and they're referring to the indictment, dox. Suspect's mom said he had grown

00:17:12.820 pro-gay rights, trans, pro-trans ideology. That's on CNN at an hour that follows Caitlin

00:17:20.740 Collins, but the hour before Caitlin Collins was telling Ted Cruz, we don't know the motive.

00:17:25.300 We just, why don't you read your lower third? It's literally referring to the indictment documents

00:17:30.340 that federal officials, that state officials used to actually bring charges against him.

00:17:35.380 Try reading. It could help you. And then they platform this Montel Williams, who's lost his mind,

00:17:41.100 trying to make it sound like a beautiful love story, like this guy should be valorized.

00:17:47.560 And I'll let you take that one. And then we'll get to this moron, Matt Gutman on ABC.

00:17:53.120 Yeah. I don't think if anybody said that Derek Chauvin was under stress and he was trying to,

00:18:00.080 he had some deranged view that he was protecting his wife from inner city crime. And therefore,

00:18:04.700 he put his knee on, everybody would have thought that that's not only absurd, but amoral and sick.

00:18:11.160 And it would have been. Nobody said that. And yet we're supposed to take this guy seriously. And

00:18:16.920 then what he's thinking, it's just fantastic. He's saying that the shooter went, positioned himself

00:18:22.120 somewhere between 150 and 200 yards away and said to himself, I'm going to shoot only when a trans

00:18:31.220 question comes up. And I can hear it very well. And even if he could hear it on the amplification,

00:18:37.040 he's going to sit there and predicate that. And what would that show if he did do that? That he

00:18:42.920 loved a particular person or that he was a deranged trans activist in general, as his chat group

00:18:51.140 suggested. So any way you interpret what he said is insane. And I don't know why they put those people

00:18:57.980 on. They're just continual embarrassments. They don't know. They have no logic. They're irrational.

00:19:02.640 It's so maddening because he's talking about it like, as if, as if Charlie Kirk had gotten up there

00:19:07.980 and said, you know, let's say this guy was in a normal heterosexual relationship as if Charlie

00:19:12.640 Kirk had been out there saying, you know, blonde women are all loose women and you shouldn't marry

00:19:18.420 them. You know, something like, and he was with a blonde woman and he was out there to avenge his,

00:19:22.260 okay, that would be a bizarre set of circumstances. But I guess then you could say, all right,

00:19:26.700 he was trying to stand up for his partner. This, the whole thing about the partner is political.

00:19:33.240 Charlie had taken a position on the trans, whatever, it's not rights on the trans indoctrination issue.

00:19:40.840 Charlie had been very clear that a man cannot become a woman. And this guy was with a trans person in the

00:19:47.880 middle of a transition and obviously connected to other trans people, if you believe what we're

00:19:52.140 seeing online. And on top of that, had a thing for furries as evidenced by his meme, which is very

00:19:58.160 hand in glove with the whole trans community. He wrote about it on his bullet casing. And by the

00:20:03.560 way, he was subscribed or he was on a furry website, according to the FBI. So that is a political

00:20:11.080 argument that's being hotly debated right now and has been for the past few years in the United States.

00:20:16.240 Charlie Kirk was very outspoken on it. How does he reduce that to a love quarrel, a defending his

00:20:25.180 love as, and totally divorce it from the politics? Well, he does it. He does it because they have a

00:20:32.220 list of excuses and excuse number one was he was apolitical. That didn't work. Excuse number two,

00:20:38.600 he was a right-wing inter-MAGA feud narrative. That didn't work. Now they're down to excuse three,

00:20:46.600 that it was a personal love relationship that showed how trans people are so devoted to him.

00:20:52.320 That didn't work. I think all they're going to be left with is that they're going to have to go,

00:20:58.680 and I think they already have, Megan, full Luigi Mangione, that he was a heroic person that is an

00:21:05.020 iconic figure and belongs in the pantheon of leftist heroes. And we're going to name an opera

00:21:09.900 after him and he's going, I think that's next. That's the fourth narrative. Because another thing

00:21:15.400 that people don't talk about, and it was true of DeCarlos Williams, there is a general perception

00:21:19.780 in these killers, whether they do it out of racial motivations or ideology, there's two

00:21:26.800 assumptions they make. Number one, if they do it, either people will try to contextualize it

00:21:32.700 or praise it, as we saw with Robinson on the left. And we saw with the mayor of Charlotte,

00:21:37.640 immediately she said, don't demonize the homeless. This is not race. Can't rest. And they know that,

00:21:44.900 that there will always be some excuse or even praise. And second, there will not be consequences.

00:21:50.180 When he went into that rail car, he had 14 times he committed a felony and never really paid a serious

00:21:56.940 price. And he thought he could do almost anything and get away with it. And the same thing,

00:22:01.100 if you look at the cheery attitude, oh, I thought he had to be taken out, lift up the computer,

00:22:07.860 there's the note. He was acting in the same manner that he thought Luigi Mangione was going to get off.

00:22:13.900 And until we just say to ourselves, we don't really care what your motivation is. We don't care what you

00:22:19.920 say. We don't care if you have a beautiful mansion or you're homeless. We don't care if you claim that

00:22:24.340 you're on that. We're just going to treat what you did. And there's going to be sure and swift

00:22:29.760 punishment if you have after your fair trial and it should you be found guilty. And that's going

00:22:35.140 to be deterrent. And you may think that's biblical or ancient or old fashioned, but there's a 2,500

00:22:40.320 year history that it works.

00:22:42.280 Well, you're making a point about consequences to the actions. And when we administer the

00:22:47.000 consequences, no, we shouldn't care. We should look at the end result of what they did. Luigi killed

00:22:52.060 Brian Thompson in cold blood with absolutely no justification. And that's what Tyler Robinson

00:22:57.680 clearly did to Charlie. But it is valuable to know the motive when we try to figure out

00:23:03.740 why did this happen and can we prevent it?

00:23:07.800 Yes, that was my point. They have two things going for them. They have a motive because they

00:23:11.640 think if they act horrifically on some leftist cause that they are going to be famous. They come

00:23:18.920 out of the woodwork because they feel the general climate says people are persecuting trans. Trans

00:23:25.160 people should be given exemptions. Joe Biden says half the country is semi-fascist, fascist

00:23:32.240 everywhere. All of our generals have called the president a fascist, a Nazi. Mark Milley called

00:23:38.040 him a fascist. So you kill a fascist and you'll be sort of like one of the assassins who tried

00:23:43.700 to kill Mussolini and Hitler. You will be praised. That's the motivation. They want to be a

00:23:48.860 famous political activist who really, you know, spoke violence to power or something. And then

00:23:56.060 second, they think I can get away with it. Yeah, they think I can get away with it.

00:23:59.540 Can you imagine, God forbid anything ever happened to Barack Obama, but can you imagine if some

00:24:06.760 shooter had actually taken a shot at Barack Obama and God forbid actually hit him and we found out it

00:24:13.060 because he was MAGA and he was deeply offended by the deplorables comment or, you know, that Hillary

00:24:20.520 had made or the bitter clingers comment that Barack Obama had made. And so he had turned on Democrats.

00:24:25.540 He thought they were demonizing Republicans and his wife, maybe this guy, the shooter in this fake

00:24:31.020 scenario is an independent, but his girlfriend or his wife is diehard MAGA. Do you think Montel Williams

00:24:38.040 would be on CNN saying, you know, he did it out of love? It was a loving thing, really. That's what

00:24:45.320 did it. We all know the answer to that. And that brings me to Matt Guttman of ABC.

00:24:50.600 Can I just say one thing? He would be banned for life, but we all know the answer to your question.

00:24:57.520 You don't even have to talk about a threat of physical violence. A clown at the Missouri State

00:25:02.880 Fair put on a Barack Obama mask and he was just sort of like clowns do at rodeos, but it was a mask of

00:25:09.160 Obama. And the administration went ballistic and they banned him for life for being at that fair

00:25:17.520 fairgrounds and rodeo. That was just wearing a mask that made fun of Obama. So yeah, we know the

00:25:24.180 answer to that. They would not be rewriting it as a Romeo and Juliet type story. Oh, it's so sad.

00:25:30.800 Look at, look at the love he felt for his partner. He did it out of love and not to be outdone.

00:25:36.820 Here's Matt Guttman, a, a straight news reporter, a national correspondent for ABC news, describing

00:25:44.120 the text messages between the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson and the defendant, uh, and his

00:25:53.040 girlfriend, sorry, his boyfriend who was trying to become his girlfriend in which he kept calling

00:25:58.620 the lover, my love as he was confessing. I mean, he was going through line after line about how,

00:26:06.620 uh, I've got to, I've got to get my gun, you know, don't talk to the police, my love.

00:26:12.080 And this was this ABC news reporters take on that.

00:26:15.820 We have seen, uh, an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder

00:26:24.440 weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it. But also it was very touching in

00:26:29.600 a way that I think many of us didn't expect a very intimate portrait into this relationship

00:26:34.100 between the suspect's roommate, uh, and the suspect himself with him repeatedly calling his roommate who

00:26:41.400 was transitioning, uh, calling him my love and I want to protect you, my love. Um, so it was this

00:26:46.360 duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd,

00:26:52.040 but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case.

00:26:56.200 And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting

00:27:01.080 and as Pierre said, riveting press conference statement. First of all, he did not say in these text

00:27:06.320 messages, I just want to protect you, my love. That's an invention by this reporter. It didn't happen.

00:27:11.700 Second of all, there's nothing very touching. Uh, it's not a very intimate portrait of the duality

00:27:17.100 and he refers to him. Oh, the partner I was identified male at birth and now identifies.

00:27:24.740 There's no such thing as identity. He's speaking all the language of the left with their buzz terms

00:27:28.920 and rewriting this as a very touching love story, Victor. Yeah. Well, he said that we didn't expect it.

00:27:35.820 Actually, we did expect it because we've seen a long history of the left doing this. We saw the

00:27:40.540 Sarnoff, one of the Sarnoff brothers on the cover of Rolling Stone as if he was some photogenic

00:27:45.880 movie star. We saw an awkward named after Luigi Mangione. We saw the Taylor Lorenz Gaga interview

00:27:52.400 about him. We, I think there was somebody on cable news who said, well, Robinson might not be

00:27:58.300 as iconocized as Luigi Mangione because he wasn't as handsome. So there is a idea on the left.

00:28:04.980 Crystal ball. Yes. That they feel that these young killers, they try to romanticize them and try to

00:28:11.880 make them into folk heroes. And part of that narrative is that they're good looking or they're

00:28:16.020 intimate or they're warm or they're sincere. And what he should have said is he was talking to his

00:28:23.420 murder, the murderer was talking to his boyfriend and was talking about rationalization, why he killed

00:28:33.580 somebody premeditatively, but that's not what he wanted to convey. But yeah, we expect that. Every time

00:28:40.080 there's a young shooter who's politically motivated from the left, we know that the left is going to

00:28:44.840 romanticize him and try to make him into a Hollywood rock star or a sensitive therapeutic figure.

00:28:50.820 You know, they're determined. And now, by the way, today, Matt Guttman did come out,

00:28:55.620 was forced to come out and say he deeply regrets that his words did not make clear what he was trying

00:29:01.900 to do, which was to underscore the jarring contrast between this cold-blooded assassination of Charlie

00:29:09.340 and the personal disturbing texts read aloud by the Utah County attorney at the press conference.

00:29:14.920 I'm going to say this to Matt Guttman. Ask yourself again whether, God forbid, someone like Barack Obama

00:29:23.200 had been assassinated instead of Charlie Kirk. And we found the assassin's texts confessing to his lover,

00:29:30.160 calling the lover my love. Do you think there's any world in which you would have gone out there

00:29:34.960 and talked about how very touching the texts were, about this duality that gives us a window into

00:29:43.680 their intimate relationship and use the word touching twice? We all know the answer. This is

00:29:50.920 his own bias, his own priors coming up in his reporting. And it's dangerous to reshape the narrative.

00:29:58.780 You know, you talk about the Luigi thing, Victor. Yesterday in New York, as his charges were—two

00:30:06.020 of the main ones were thrown out, the terrorism charge against him was thrown out by a New York

00:30:10.680 City judge. There were throngs of supporters outside the courthouse, male and female. But the women were

00:30:18.620 out there like Manson's girls, like in love with this Luigi, like he's some sort of a hero. And the guys

00:30:26.320 were no better. They were dressed as like Luigi from the Super Mario's thing. He's become a folk hero.

00:30:33.560 And you're right. I agree with you. It's starting on the left with respect to the Charlie killer as

00:30:38.580 well. This here, listen to this. This is an undergrad student at Oberlin College. Now, obviously,

00:30:45.800 this is the leftist institution. But just here's a window into what's happening on our college campuses

00:30:52.460 right now, which looks very much to me like what happened outside of the Luigi hearing and what we

00:30:57.580 saw on CNN. Here's SOT 30.

00:31:00.020 So the day after Charlie Kirk died, I was in class. My teacher said, I'll give you five minutes for hot

00:31:06.140 takes about Charlie Kirk. I was the only person who raised their hand. I said, I've been saying we

00:31:10.380 need to bring back political assassinations. I don't feel bad. And I don't think that everyone

00:31:14.180 deserves the right to free speech. I think some people should be afraid to express their opinion

00:31:17.720 in public. And you know what people start saying? They start saying, oh, you know what? There was a

00:31:21.960 school shooting on that same day. And how can you claim to oppose school shootings and oppose gun

00:31:27.980 violence when you're now celebrating Charlie Kirk dying? As if those two forms of violence are the

00:31:33.000 same. The worst thing that was said in that class was that it was a shame that Charlie Kirk died

00:31:39.080 because he was such a huge figure in the right wing movement. And now who will the left debate?

00:31:45.000 Now there's no one to have like productive, productive conversations with. They used, he used that

00:31:50.580 word. Of course, everyone's saying this. They were all male students. Like there were probably five or

00:31:55.280 six male students who raised their hands right after me and just responded. So yeah, it just shows

00:32:00.040 that white men will always choose to empathize with the people who look like them over any of the people

00:32:05.320 who that man they're glorifying ever heard. Oh, for the listening audience, that was an Asian woman

00:32:12.300 with the oversized leftist glasses. And it's, I mean, she hit it all there, Victor. I don't feel bad.

00:32:18.200 Some political assassinations are good. Not everyone has the right to free speech. And the white men in

00:32:26.060 her class only stood up against her position that political assassinations need to be brought back,

00:32:31.960 she said, because they identify with Charlie because he's a white man, because only white people,

00:32:38.320 white men, I guess, can feel bad about Charlie being murdered right in front of us.

00:32:42.980 Yeah. And where did she learn all that? That's the question. Where does all this come? You can say

00:32:50.100 it's in the media, you can say it's, but originally it comes from where she learned it. It comes from

00:32:54.700 the university. The windup to those comments talked about that, about learning in a college textbook

00:32:59.380 about this kind of thing. Absolutely. I can tell you, I'm speaking from the Stanford campus

00:33:02.860 and I know it very well. And so the trans ideology, the critical race theory, the critical legal theory,

00:33:09.840 the separate dorms, the safe spaces, the separate graduations, the set asides on admissions,

00:33:16.140 the violation of the Supreme Court's civil rights rulings, take all of that, that whole package of

00:33:22.080 radical environmentalism, ban fossil fuels, all of that comes on the campus. And anybody knows that

00:33:28.960 the administrators know it, it's part of the culture. And anybody knows if you're a conservative

00:33:33.900 or traditional speaker, you need security. I can tell you that personally. And if you are a leftist,

00:33:39.900 you have an exemption. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows the profile of the faculty.

00:33:44.120 They know it's indoctrination. And that's part of the problem that we are raising an elite. Now,

00:33:49.700 notice who's not sounding off on videos. It's not the working welder. It's not the electrician.

00:33:55.200 It's not the guy who 10 hours a day is in an assembly plant with a high school education or

00:34:00.480 went to trade school. It's a bi-coastal and elite group of people sometimes. And they're wealthy,

00:34:07.340 they're elite, and they go to these schools and they're indoctrinated. And they feel that there's

00:34:12.880 no consequences for this crazy ideology because they live in the right zip code. They have enough

00:34:17.660 money. They have status. They have letters after their names. They have credentials. And they're

00:34:22.200 arrogant. And that is the base now of the Mondani and the Democratic Party. It's a frustrated,

00:34:29.480 professional class of over-educated, ignorant people. And they feel that I am so much more

00:34:36.040 moral than anybody else. I'm so much smarter. And yet, for some reason, I can't buy a brownstone

00:34:41.900 in Manhattan. Oh my gosh, I'm so brilliant. I'm coming out of Oberlin and my parents are

00:34:46.740 very wealthy. But my sociology degree or my studies degree doesn't give me a brand new car.

00:34:54.080 And they get frustrated. And that's who they are. They're the most spoiled, entitled group of

00:35:00.520 ignorant people. And that's the sins of commission, not the omission, that they pay all this money

00:35:04.840 and they're not educated. They get an English major. They don't know anything about Shakespeare

00:35:09.060 because they get this stuff spoon-fed down their throat as an excuse of having to work and real study

00:35:14.760 and real work and real exams. And in some families, it's indoctrination that begins

00:35:20.460 right in the living room, which is just stunning and wrong. I mean, it's one thing when you blame

00:35:25.700 the academy. We've been knowing about that problem and blaming them for many years. But there are some

00:35:30.780 families who are totally on board with indoctrinating their children into thinking political assassinations

00:35:36.460 would be great just as long as they're targeted against the right people. This clip is making the

00:35:41.940 rounds on X. They've now identified this person. I don't see a name, but they say that the husband,

00:35:49.360 she's married to a lieutenant colonel for the National Guard. They say she's a preschool teacher.

00:35:53.880 We have not independently confirmed that, but I can show you the video of this woman trying to

00:35:59.860 deliver news to her children that Taylor Swift got engaged. But watch the lead up to that moment here

00:36:06.860 in stop 29. I have the best news ever. Donald Trump died. Second best news. The vice president died?

00:36:18.400 Okay. Third best news. That Elon Musk died? Okay. No, no, no, no. Nobody died. My best friend's

00:36:25.960 getting married. Which one is it? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey got engaged.

00:36:35.920 That is so wrong. It's abuse. And by the way, there is more information from the Daily Mail

00:36:42.300 described as a progressive teacher, Krista Cole, a substitute teacher at Colorado Springs Public

00:36:47.820 School. She's been placed on leave over the clip. Yeah, of course. Of course she has. She's since

00:36:54.020 deleted her social media. She took that. First of all, she did that. She indoctrinated them. She

00:36:58.840 took that video. She posted it. The reason I see it and you see it is because she posts. She's proud

00:37:03.680 of what she's doing to her little girls there, Victor. She is. And I don't want to be reductionist,

00:37:09.240 but she got her teaching credential from the School of Education. She went to the university and she's

00:37:14.420 part of the teacher's union if she's full-time and maybe part-time. And she understands that the School

00:37:19.760 of Education does not teach you any real method. It doesn't teach you any knowledge. All it teaches

00:37:25.940 you is what is left-wing indoctrination and the methods to indoctrinate people on race, gender, etc.

00:37:33.920 And then they have a coterie of unionized teachers that if you object to that, then you're going to be

00:37:40.260 socially ostracized, etc. And that university trains all of our teachers from K through 12. And yes,

00:37:48.440 you're right. They do indoctrinate their children, but that's just an extension of what they do in

00:37:52.940 the classroom. And how do you break this cycle? I think you have to do two things. I think Trump is

00:37:59.900 doing the right thing to call the higher education, especially the elite to account. But all of us

00:38:04.360 have to just say, you know what? If Yale gives 80% A's or Stanford lets in 9% of their student body as

00:38:11.880 white males, they're not really universities. It's no big thing to say you work at Stanford or you have a

00:38:17.860 BA from Yale. It doesn't mean anything anymore. They destroyed their, you know, they're sort of

00:38:22.880 like, I don't know, Target or Bud Light. That's the way I look at it. I think if everybody, you know,

00:38:28.920 and I think people are, I think a lot of parents do not want to send their kids to these schools

00:38:33.360 anymore because they know they're going to come home as monsters at Thanksgiving. And so I think

00:38:38.400 there's a big, a lot of things are going on, Megan, that we're not really sure of the ultimate

00:38:43.500 effect because we're right in the middle of it. But there's something about the death of Charlie

00:38:47.480 that followed from the death on the rail car that just, it just said to people collectively,

00:38:56.320 quietly, I've had enough. There's something different about the country. And I'm not going

00:39:00.960 to let these people in the 248th year of this country take it over. I'm just not going to let

00:39:06.400 it happen. I'm going to go out and vote. I'm going to register. And I got to do something.

00:39:09.980 I think there's, it's a quiet, it's not like what we saw in 2020, but it's more powerful in some

00:39:16.080 ways. You've got now 54,000 new Turning Point chapters having been applied for, says Turning

00:39:25.040 Point, by high school students and college students. The youth has turned on the left. They saw Charlie

00:39:35.740 as one of theirs, as someone who would take the time to care about them, to talk to them,

00:39:42.960 even if they weren't on his side politically. And now they see what their side has done and how their

00:39:50.000 side is celebrating his cold-blooded murder. That's what's driving these 54,000 new applications

00:39:59.900 from a group that only had 2,000 college and high school campuses covered before Charlie's death.

00:40:06.280 I mean, I can't do the math on that, but it's a huge number by which it's gone up if you want to

00:40:11.800 do percentages. And there, it's not going to stop. I mean, the country's really deeply moved

00:40:18.860 by Charlie's message, which is now ubiquitous. It's everywhere by, and by the hatred that the left is

00:40:26.440 showing toward him. And here, like on the subject of faith, Victor, like we, Charlie's proselytizing

00:40:37.040 his messages of believing in Jesus and what Jesus would want for you and how he sees us all as God's

00:40:44.080 children and believes everyone can change and in the goodness of everyone are everywhere. And these

00:40:49.100 young people, many of whom are applying for these to open up TP USA chapters at their colleges or high

00:40:55.480 schools are seeing it. Here is like the opposite of the videos we've been showing. And I mean, I could

00:41:03.020 have taken dozens. I have so many examples of these, but I just chose one. This is a TikToker named Amelia

00:41:08.680 Grace and listened to her and saw 27B. I don't know if anybody else is feeling it, but there has been

00:41:16.540 this huge spiritual shift since the death of Charlie Kirk. Now, let me be very clear when I say I had no

00:41:27.440 idea who this man was until the assassination. And for whatever reason, I have just been like

00:41:36.040 absolutely mourning this death, like as if I knew him. I turned away from God and pretty much stopped

00:41:45.360 believing in everything altogether. When I was about 17 years old, I am 28 now. And I am happy to say

00:41:53.440 that I have recently found my way back. Let me be very clear when I say that it was not Charlie Kirk's

00:42:00.400 death itself that brought me back to God, but the pure, just evil that I have been seeing surrounding it.

00:42:11.040 I keep seeing all of these quotes saying that if you feel this deeply about a man's death that you

00:42:20.200 didn't know, it's because in your soul somewhere, you knew that he was a brother in Christ.

00:42:27.540 And I think that somewhere in my soul, because of this, I just felt this pull,

00:42:34.880 this pull that I can't explain to just like, to come back to God. I am happy to say that

00:42:43.280 I have gotten my first Bible. I am giving my life to Jesus. I am

00:42:50.040 coming back to my roots.

00:42:54.760 Charlie would be so proud of her. And there are so many just like her, Victor,

00:42:58.840 out there reacting that way. Yeah, I think so. I did a show in late August. I think it was the 23rd

00:43:06.660 or 4th. And then I talked to him for 30 minutes. And I had gone out earlier to speak in Phoenix.

00:43:13.640 What was unique about him, he wasn't just peddling a political agenda. He was trying to address,

00:43:20.500 I think, root causes. And what he talked about was the blue state model of atheism,

00:43:28.420 infertility, 1.4. We talked about that. The fertility rate of the top 10 states

00:43:34.360 that's about 1.9 to 2 are red, and the bottom 1.2 to 1.3 are blue. And he talked about the age

00:43:43.120 when people are getting married. It's gone way up. The age when they have their first, if any,

00:43:47.340 gone way up. The age when they can buy a house has gone way up. And it was part of a political,

00:43:54.720 economic, social, cultural atmosphere in these blue cities and blue states. And it's nihilistic.

00:44:01.500 It's suicidal. It's all about personal appetites, gratification, professionalism, pseudo-education,

00:44:08.680 credentialing. But it's not about, we're going to have a nuclear family, two-parent family. We're

00:44:13.880 going to try to have children. We're going to try to reproduce the species. We're going to try to

00:44:18.060 inculcate people and the idea of a transcendent soul and body and a higher, none of that. And he

00:44:24.680 was very adroit at getting that message in comprehensible terms to young people. And he's

00:44:31.620 basically saying to them, you're on a campus and all of the messaging and narratives that you're

00:44:38.100 receiving are nihilistic. They're suicidal. They lead to civilizational decline and destruction.

00:44:44.120 And he said it, he didn't say it the way I did it. He said it in a much more upbeat fashion. But

00:44:49.020 he was, that was what he was working on when he was killed. And I think it was, and that's one of

00:44:53.920 the reasons, Megan, that if you look at what he did, I don't think people have talked enough about

00:44:58.260 it. There was a lot of reasons why Donald Trump won. But one of them, I don't know if it's the chief

00:45:03.540 one, but one of the reasons was that he gained 6% of the national vote of young people from 19 to 40.

00:45:10.480 But more importantly, in three states, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, where Charlie was really

00:45:16.780 active voting, trying to get people to register and vote, he got 17 and 18 to 23% higher, Trump did,

00:45:26.160 that in 2020. In Michigan, the youth vote was split 49-49. And that was largely because he and

00:45:34.200 people like him were giving this message to people, you don't have to vote and reflect and be politically

00:45:40.360 aligned with these messages you're getting on this campus, because they're going to lead to your

00:45:44.840 personal unhappiness. You're not going to have children. You're not going to be happily married.

00:45:49.060 You're not going to have a house. You're not going to want to go to church. You're not going to

00:45:52.940 believe in God. You're not going to believe in your community. You're just going to be a

00:45:55.820 nihilist, cynic, skeptic, and bitter person as you age. And all the degrees in the world are not

00:46:02.100 going to help you. All the titles, all the zip codes, all the money, it's not going to help you.

00:46:06.140 That was a very powerful message. And I think that's one of the reasons Donald Trump won the

00:46:10.400 election with that demographic. You know, Andrew Colvitt, who's Charlie's right-hand man on his show,

00:46:16.880 is he put out a tweet that read something to the effect of, we thought they were

00:46:24.000 college, you know, prove me wrong type debates, whatever. We thought that's what we were doing.

00:46:32.040 We were actually doing tent revivals. I see it so clearly now, he said. And he's right. Like it's,

00:46:38.020 it was having the effect, whether they knew it or not, of reviving the faith of an entire

00:46:45.900 generation of young people who had lost it or had never had it to begin with. Victor,

00:46:54.740 how many times have we talked about wokeism as this leftist, pernicious, sick religion? And that

00:47:01.260 it could even be treated as, as a religion that we could object to them teaching our children in

00:47:06.300 schools in the same way we would object if they just taught Islam theology in all of our K through 12

00:47:11.720 schools. It is a sick religion. And it was, it was used first. They got rid of religion at all.

00:47:18.500 They got rid of Christian beliefs out of the public square, out of our schools, prayers under God,

00:47:23.260 all of it removed, scrubbed. And then they replaced it with this sickness, the woke mind virus, political,

00:47:29.620 whatever you want to call it. But, but it was so unnourishing and sick and dangerous that young

00:47:37.300 people genuinely started to reject it. I mean, I see that in Gen Z and the tail end of Gen Z and

00:47:42.460 even in my own house and with their friends, they rejected it. They knew it had gone too far,

00:47:48.660 that it was dangerous. And Charlie came along just at the right time with an alternative,

00:47:55.580 the original. Here's this other thing that we used to have and love and lean into that was actually

00:48:02.100 nourishing and enriching. And it spoke to them, Victor, and it still does. Charlie's gone,

00:48:08.540 but that message is still there and resonating. Yeah. And historically there's these, these periods

00:48:17.060 of mass craziness. That was a first century AD in Rome when you can read novels like Petronius

00:48:23.640 Securicon about what trans, cross-dressing, gender reassignment, decadence, atheism, foreign cults.

00:48:32.320 You saw the same thing in the French Revolution with the Jacobins, Robespierre, just a total madness

00:48:37.400 where they killed 7,000 nuns. They renamed the days of the year, the days of the week.

00:48:43.660 They, they worship somebody called Ratio, the divine rational deity, secularism. We saw it with

00:48:50.900 the anarchist movement, the late 19th century. So we have these periods and these, this is what we're

00:48:55.520 in. We're in a complete period of left-wing derangement. And it's not, the problem, Megan,

00:49:01.540 is that they're not just crazy, they're dangerous, very dangerous, violent people. And they're very

00:49:07.120 unhappy people. And it's usually, these, these movements usually start, they don't start with the

00:49:12.180 lower classes or the poor. They start from the top down or the upper middle class. And they're always

00:49:17.380 based on historically envy and jealousy that I am entitled because I'm articulate and I can speak

00:49:24.240 and I read and I know Voltaire and I, and I know Rousseau, or I've read Cicero and, and I deserve

00:49:31.100 more. And these people, these stupid people are making money and then, and they don't appreciate.

00:49:35.660 And it's really a self-referential, self-obsessed, narcissistic cult. And it manifests itself in our

00:49:45.180 lifetime at this particular moment. And these movements, these crazy Antifa, Black Lives Matter,

00:49:52.120 trans, but it's all got the same common denominator.

00:49:55.720 Right. The, the ugliness of, of the leftist messaging. I want to, in the last minute before

00:50:01.540 we take a break, go out with the following thing. I saw it on X this morning and it is a song by singer

00:50:09.840 Diesel for Charlie. It's called, How Dare They? And I listened to it this morning and I just cried.

00:50:18.260 It really moving. Take a listen here.

00:50:22.740 Name was Charlie. Husband, daddy, voice for the kids. Lord, why'd it go down like that?

00:50:29.340 Stage lights cold as a winter rain. One breath, one prayer, then the world went strange.

00:50:39.680 Crowd froze up when the thunder cracked. Truth on a mic and a life attack.

00:50:45.940 He talked about hope in a storming land. Bible in the heart and a promise in his hands.

00:50:52.580 But a shadow reached from a coward's perch. Cut down a sun in the middle of church.

00:50:59.160 And I swear if the tables turned the other way, y'all know there'd be fires in the streets today.

00:51:05.600 But here we stand with candles and a folded flag. Begging God for mercy on the road we drag.

00:51:13.020 How dare they steal the breath from a faithful man? How dare they stain the grass where his boots once stand?

00:51:27.880 They call us evil, point at our cross, then pull that trigger and reckon no call.

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00:52:57.180 We absolutely have to keep talking.

00:52:59.700 It's more important now than ever.

00:53:01.920 To cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer.

00:53:06.260 And all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am canceling one stop on this tour.

00:53:11.780 Not one stop.

00:53:15.860 I'm going.

00:53:16.720 I'm going to stand on these stages and I'm going to say all the things that we say all the time on this show.

00:53:22.700 We're going to make it safe for me.

00:53:23.660 We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you.

00:53:26.560 We're going coast to coast and do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real to honor Him.

00:53:35.540 I really now more than ever would love to see you all face to face.

00:53:39.260 God, I would love to see you face to face.

00:53:42.240 I need to see you face to face.

00:53:44.980 I am doing this tour and I would love for you to join me.

00:53:49.000 MeganKelley.com for the tickets.

00:53:54.480 That song was so moving.

00:53:56.100 I'm like completely floored by it that it reminded me I wanted to tell you about something else I read.

00:54:02.020 And it's by our pal Joseph Massey, our favorite poet, the official poet of The Megan Kelly Show.

00:54:08.140 And hopefully of your home too because he's amazing and he's been through a lot and he writes the most beautiful poems and self-publishes since he was canceled by the evil, truly evil poetry world.

00:54:20.360 But continues to write and be there for us in times of celebration like when Trump won and in times of mourning like right now.

00:54:29.740 And let me just read you.

00:54:31.000 It's not long.

00:54:31.980 Hopefully he won't mind in reading his poem in memoriam for Charlie Kirk.

00:54:36.820 Under a technicolor Utah sky in the clear September air, in the commons made uncommon, a man spoke through riptides of Babylonian confusion.

00:54:47.300 And he spoke with the light of the word of life, and that light dispelled the darkness that cannot comprehend its truth.

00:54:55.580 In the clear air, the bright and open air, a man spoke.

00:55:00.440 And as the sky cracked to silence him, how many mouths gasped at once, a terrible hush like a rogue wave crashing.

00:55:09.360 But he was not silenced.

00:55:10.860 The assassin slithered into ruin, but he was not silenced.

00:55:16.520 His words extend now into time in concentric circles, further than before and further still.

00:55:23.740 Martyr for truth and in truth, alive.

00:55:28.360 America, may the Holy Spirit inflame and guide our tongues and let everything that breathes praise the Lord.

00:55:35.460 Let everything that breathes praise the Lord.

00:55:37.780 Let everything that breathes praise the Lord.

00:55:41.420 That's so beautiful by Joseph Massey.

00:55:43.480 You should definitely go to his website.

00:55:45.860 Just Google Joseph Massey and I'll take you there.

00:55:47.860 You can buy his books, including America is the Palm, to see more of his writings.

00:55:53.120 Back with me now is Victor Davis Hanson.

00:55:55.220 Victor's book.

00:55:56.080 He's got a book, and he's so worth reading.

00:55:58.700 You'll learn everything you need to know in life if you just read VDH.

00:56:02.200 It's the end of everything.

00:56:03.720 It's out now in paperback this month.

00:56:05.300 And it's been updated with new information, so check it out.

00:56:08.460 And VDH will be joining yours truly on the Megyn Kelly live tour.

00:56:14.120 He and I will be coming to Bakersfield, California on November 20th together.

00:56:19.800 And that happens to be the tour stop where Charlie was supposed to join as well.

00:56:24.840 But the tour goes on.

00:56:27.240 We must continue, and we really hope that we will see you there.

00:56:31.580 Obviously, we will be thinking about Charlie that night, and I'm really honored, Victor,

00:56:36.120 that you're going to come, you know, that notwithstanding what you said about security,

00:56:41.180 and I understand it, you know, intimately, that you're going to come.

00:56:44.860 And everybody should know you can get tickets to see Victor and yours truly and the entire

00:56:48.280 tour at MegynKelley.com.

00:56:50.480 But my true gratitude to you, Victor, for saying yes in the first place and saying yes,

00:56:55.280 notwithstanding what's happened.

00:56:56.980 Well, I'm looking forward to it.

00:56:58.720 And I actually live about an hour and a half away or two hour and a half away.

00:57:03.400 And Bakersfield is one of my favorite cities.

00:57:05.380 It's actually in kind of a renaissance now.

00:57:08.040 So it's a wonderful place.

00:57:09.160 And I always like going there.

00:57:11.680 And I go there a lot.

00:57:12.820 So I'm looking for it.

00:57:13.860 It's going to be, you know, it's going to be an emotional one.

00:57:16.440 I think of like all the tour stops that we're looking at, that one's going to be very emotional

00:57:21.440 since Charlie was supposed to be there.

00:57:23.460 And we're going to Glendale, Arizona, which is right by where he lived, which will also be

00:57:28.680 an emotional one.

00:57:29.780 But, you know, our general hope is to keep it fun and upbeat and, you know, exciting

00:57:34.620 and a great time for the audience.

00:57:35.900 But there's moments, you know, as my daughter used to call them, not tears of joy, but joy

00:57:42.260 of tears.

00:57:43.280 Sometimes you can have joy of tears.

00:57:44.820 They can be cathartic.

00:57:46.460 Ideally, you can laugh through them and you can find moments of levity notwithstanding.

00:57:51.620 The moments of sadness we're all feeling.

00:57:53.640 I want to tell you that all week, Charlie's team has been having people who were close

00:57:59.760 to Charlie guest host his show.

00:58:02.320 On Monday, it was J.D. Vance.

00:58:04.180 Yesterday, it was the guys from The Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and Michael

00:58:07.780 Knowles.

00:58:08.700 And today, it's Glenn Beck.

00:58:11.380 And Glenn, you know, in the James Rosen obit on Charlie, he, I think, mentioned this, but

00:58:19.220 Glenn is the person like Charlie looked up to.

00:58:22.700 He lived for Rush Limbaugh when he was in high school and he loved Glenn Beck.

00:58:27.140 And he tweeted at Glenn Beck, I'm a 17-year-old in like a liberal high school.

00:58:34.400 I'm standing up with the Tea Party and for, you know, limited government spending.

00:58:39.180 I can't remember exactly how he put it, but said something like, fight liberal bias.

00:58:43.060 And he added Glenn Beck on his tweet.

00:58:46.380 And they've known each other a long time.

00:58:48.600 And Glenn showed up there today with the microphone of Rush Limbaugh, which Rush's widow,

00:58:56.620 Catherine, gave to him after Rush passed.

00:58:59.680 Watch this.

00:59:00.120 Brought something with me today that I thought was appropriate while I did the show, that

00:59:07.960 I would sit in front of Charlie's microphone.

00:59:12.840 It was given to me after the death of Rush Limbaugh by his wife.

00:59:19.260 It is Rush's golden microphone.

00:59:21.160 Oh, sweet, Glenn.

00:59:36.220 Glenn overcome by emotion there.

00:59:37.980 It's hard, Victor.

00:59:39.080 You know, it's been a very tough week.

00:59:41.420 I think a lot of us are feeling it, just feeling, even people who didn't know Charlie, I've heard

00:59:45.020 from, I mean, thousands of people, and I've seen their testimonials on the internet, people

00:59:51.500 are feeling it so deeply because they feel like they knew Charlie.

00:59:55.820 You know, all these video, and there's endless tape of him, have really made a difference.

01:00:01.580 People are, like, seriously in mourning, even people who were strangers to him.

01:00:07.480 It's in Europe.

01:00:08.800 I cannot believe it.

01:00:09.740 It's worldwide.

01:00:10.440 There's people who feel that he, even though he wasn't speaking to Ireland or Britain or

01:00:17.760 Greece or France or Italy in particular, that the message resonated with them, and they understood

01:00:25.060 that they were in a dilemma, and that sort of the problem that he outlined and the solutions

01:00:31.540 that he offered applied to them, and they appreciated that, especially given that they were demonized

01:00:38.340 by the same forces that he was.

01:00:40.440 So he's becoming kind of a mythical person.

01:00:45.400 Not that he wasn't a real person with all that achievement, but I don't think the left

01:00:51.000 had any idea what they did.

01:00:53.020 They had no idea.

01:00:54.760 They hadn't.

01:00:55.360 And they must be scared now.

01:00:57.120 I mean, that would explain some of the disassembling.

01:01:00.720 They had a memorial for him two nights ago at Arizona State University, and it was packed.

01:01:07.940 They did the iPhone on.

01:01:10.900 We used to do it with candles or like your lighter.

01:01:13.220 They did the iPhone on lights.

01:01:15.820 Look at this.

01:01:17.300 I mean, just tens of thousands from the look of it showed up.

01:01:20.820 And wall to wall, we saw the march.

01:01:25.380 Look at this.

01:01:26.120 Definitely tens of thousands of people.

01:01:27.820 The march in Great Britain, which was, you know, by Tommy Robinson for Great Britain's

01:01:32.380 independence from this incredible fascist overreach there.

01:01:36.060 And by that, I mean the takeover of illegals, the crackdown on free speech, which is also,

01:01:41.880 for Charlie, had between one and three million people out there.

01:01:47.080 I mean, it was crazy the numbers.

01:01:48.340 They were chanting Charlie's name.

01:01:49.600 South Korea, same.

01:01:51.100 He was in Japan, not this past Sunday.

01:01:54.100 Obviously, he passed a week ago today, but the Sunday before he died.

01:01:58.660 And he, a friend of mine, oh gosh, I want to make sure I get it right.

01:02:03.600 A friend of mine told me a story about Charlie texting him because, um, this friend had been

01:02:15.980 to Japan a bunch of times and, and, uh, I think has a home there.

01:02:19.040 And, uh, he told me the following.

01:02:20.420 He called me on Sunday night from Japan before a speech.

01:02:23.180 We talked about how some there don't like General MacArthur and what he did there.

01:02:27.760 Charlie said he loved MacArthur and had named his son's middle name after him.

01:02:34.300 He was so proud of his last speech in Japan because it really was a spiritual one for him.

01:02:39.800 He, what I see on the internet right now is like person after person getting it, seeing it.

01:02:46.400 And I want to show you just one example here.

01:02:48.580 This is a bunch of kids for the listening audience.

01:02:50.620 We're going to play this in SOT 42.

01:02:52.560 Uh, it's per my GSD nation on Instagram.

01:02:55.720 The kids in this video I'm about to show are largely single digits, maybe up to 10.

01:03:00.940 Let's watch.

01:03:02.320 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:04.420 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:05.780 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:07.060 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:08.360 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:10.100 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:11.500 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:13.060 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:14.540 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:15.740 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:17.180 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:18.980 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:20.380 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:22.000 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:23.420 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:24.540 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:25.720 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:27.440 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:03:28.280 You got it.

01:03:28.740 And we are just getting started.

01:03:30.540 You guys give me great hope.

01:03:31.960 God bless you.

01:03:33.580 Oh, that's the left's worst nightmare because we're finally, finally going to fight for the children.

01:03:42.180 Our side of rationality and reason, Victor, is finally not going to cede the children anymore.

01:03:49.340 Yeah, and I think, you know, traditionally an administration loses badly the midterms, but I think they're also scared.

01:03:59.440 When you saw the spectacle they had put on with Kash Patel, I'd never seen anything like what Cory Booker or Adam Schiff.

01:04:09.520 They were crazy.

01:04:10.500 They were insane.

01:04:11.720 Just the vitriol and anger.

01:04:13.580 And I think a lot of it's panic.

01:04:15.500 And if people really want to commemorate a voting age, Charlie Kirk, they'll go out and register and they will vote a year, a little over a year from now.

01:04:24.960 And I think they will readdress what should happen to every president.

01:04:29.640 They lose the first midterms and their agenda gets derailed.

01:04:32.460 But I don't think that's going to happen.

01:04:34.300 I think for the first time, as I watch this, I think there's going to be a continual outpouring of support for what he stood for.

01:04:42.340 And people are going to make a difference politically.

01:04:44.100 And I think that's one of the reasons that you saw that spectacle of the hearings and, in general, the paranoia among the Democratic Senate.

01:04:54.200 I'm definitely going to get to that.

01:04:55.380 Oh, we'll get to the cash thing next.

01:04:57.540 A couple more minutes on Charlie before we do.

01:04:59.800 I've been wanting to show this soundbite for days now.

01:05:02.860 It's on the topic of faith and Charlie's insistence, no matter who he was across from, that it could play a meaningful role in their life in making it better.

01:05:10.760 Remember, this is Charlie with a group of porn stars and OnlyFans models speaking to them directly.

01:05:18.120 The same truth he said everywhere.

01:05:19.660 This is the man that the left wants to tell us now was hateful.

01:05:22.040 Sot 41.

01:05:22.540 Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently.

01:05:27.320 And if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.

01:05:31.680 I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you.

01:05:37.160 And he can transform your life.

01:05:38.680 He transformed my life.

01:05:39.720 And every day is a new day.

01:05:40.960 And it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.

01:05:43.260 And God loves every single one of us.

01:05:44.900 We're all sinners.

01:05:45.680 And Jesus died.

01:05:46.620 I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

01:05:50.340 Well, thank you.

01:05:50.860 That's very, very kind.

01:05:52.620 And I can tell you, it's not me.

01:05:54.160 If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.

01:05:56.240 It's the Holy Spirit.

01:05:57.180 It really is.

01:05:57.760 I know it might sound silly.

01:05:58.740 It might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life.

01:06:01.960 And so God bless you guys.

01:06:03.140 Thank you for a great discussion.

01:06:03.880 Charlie, thank you for coming.

01:06:05.800 He had just spent two hours talking to them about what they do and why they do it.

01:06:11.760 And that's how he treated them, with respect.

01:06:13.580 You see that in every video, Victor.

01:06:15.800 The people, even when people came up disrespectfully to him and the crowd would sometimes jeer them,

01:06:22.100 Charlie would quiet them down and say, stop, let them speak.

01:06:26.140 Yeah.

01:06:26.660 You know, another aspect that people don't talk about him, but the times that I've talked to him,

01:06:32.860 he left college when he was 18, but he was a voracious learner.

01:06:37.480 Every time I had talked to him, he was asking what books to read.

01:06:40.260 And he was on, he said he was always on a Hillsdale online course.

01:06:45.060 He was self-taught.

01:06:46.660 But the upside of all that was he was never, he knew what the university was about, but,

01:06:54.060 and he, because he was on all these campuses, but he wasn't a product of it.

01:06:58.440 And I'm saying, I know the university does a lot of great things, especially in the STEM

01:07:02.260 and math things, but in the humanities and social sciences, it has a toxic effect.

01:07:07.540 And I think one of the strengths of his, that he, he wasn't, he didn't spend a lot of his life

01:07:14.780 as a student and he spent it instead with working class people and people who did not go to college.

01:07:21.540 And then he used that earthiness and accessibility and, and skill and talking to normal people

01:07:28.640 and went back to the campus and talk to these people with respect, but he didn't talk like an academic

01:07:35.340 or a professor or a fellow student to them.

01:07:37.600 And that was new to them.

01:07:38.700 And that they had never, they don't, they don't, they're in an insular world, but he wasn't part

01:07:43.600 of that world, but he took the idea of working class and middle-class America to that world

01:07:49.520 because he had not been in college, but he had been self-educated.

01:07:53.540 So he was articulate, he was knowledgeable, but he was able to communicate to these students

01:07:58.440 in a different way.

01:07:59.780 He wasn't, you know, he didn't have that nasal twangy voice.

01:08:03.200 He did not talk about as if he was degreed or credentialed, but, and he knew how to talk

01:08:10.380 to people and he considered them, the students, people, not students.

01:08:14.680 And that was one of the reasons he was very effective.

01:08:17.620 The, you know, the, the gaslighting about his killer motives and all that we talked about

01:08:24.340 in our first hour.

01:08:25.200 I, there were two soundbites I didn't get to that I want to.

01:08:27.400 There's a second one from Matt Gutman.

01:08:29.720 I've got to play it.

01:08:30.700 It's SOT 6.

01:08:33.200 It's heartbreaking on so many levels, Kira.

01:08:35.680 Obviously, Charlie Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd of thousands of people

01:08:40.880 who watched him being shot through the neck and then essentially bleed out in front of him.

01:08:45.080 And then the other hand, there is this duality of a very, a portrait of a very human person,

01:08:50.380 a very human experience from this entire family.

01:08:53.100 As you mentioned it, the mother essentially discovered that it was her son who had done this.

01:08:58.320 The kid who had got a 34 out of 36 on the ACTs, who had a 4.0, who got a full ride to college

01:09:05.000 here.

01:09:05.360 And I don't think I've ever experienced a press conference in which we've read text messages

01:09:09.340 that are A, so fulsome, so robust, so apparently, allegedly self-incriminating, and yet on the

01:09:14.740 other hand, so touching, right, with the suspect reaching out to his roommate, who is allegedly

01:09:20.040 his boyfriend, who we understand, you know, identified as male at birth, now identifies as

01:09:27.500 female.

01:09:28.600 And the terminology he used, he was trying to protect him.

01:09:30.880 He kept calling him, my love, my reason for doing this is to protect you, you know, but also

01:09:36.040 asking him to delete the messages and not speak to law enforcement.

01:09:39.720 So there's this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very tragically playing out.

01:09:45.400 Oh, okay.

01:09:46.540 We already, I mean, it's heartbreaking on so many levels.

01:09:48.920 It's heartbreaking on one level.

01:09:50.480 One level.

01:09:51.160 Keep going.

01:09:52.500 They're going to have to kid him off.

01:09:54.280 He's done so much damage to the ABC.

01:09:56.540 I mean, he's a pop philosopher, he's half-educated, he's a fool, and that therapeutic gobbledygook,

01:10:02.000 it just sounds so amoral and senseless, stupid, and I don't know why they'd have him on

01:10:08.580 there because he thinks that he's some kind of philosophical persona and he's going to

01:10:13.460 enlighten us, but he just proves how stupid he is and heartless.

01:10:18.880 He was already suspended by ABC when Kobe died for erroneously reporting that all of Kobe's

01:10:24.280 children had been killed in that helicopter crash.

01:10:27.600 So he doesn't appear to be all that careful because here again, he makes factual errors

01:10:32.040 in addition to tonality and emotionality errors.

01:10:36.080 The only question I have about his inner circle is, did they notify the police the nanosecond

01:10:46.360 they found out?

01:10:47.440 I know that as a parent, you always worry about what your children are doing, but when you

01:10:52.820 find out that your best friend or your so-called lover or someone in your household is a likely

01:11:00.240 killer, how long do you wait?

01:11:02.940 That's all I want to know.

01:11:04.420 I want to know if some of the people on that chat list had prior warning or he discussed

01:11:09.700 things in a manner in which if somebody had come forward and said, he's saying things or

01:11:14.800 he's imagining things that are really dangerous and you need to take a look at him if that would

01:11:20.240 have made a difference.

01:11:20.960 That's all my concern, but I don't find anything moving or loving about anything he said.

01:11:26.920 Not one, not one letter.

01:11:28.280 I don't either.

01:11:29.980 You know, a lot of people have said that they may not believe that these text messages are

01:11:34.820 from the shooter because they sound so like they have punctuation.

01:11:40.560 They have capitalization.

01:11:42.580 And I get it because trust me, I have two teenagers and a 12-year-old too.

01:11:46.520 And I mean, I'll write my kids these long flowery texts like, I love you.

01:11:51.560 I'm so proud of you.

01:11:53.040 We'll meet you at the event.

01:11:54.460 We can't wait to see you and then I'll get back, okay, you know, that's how young people

01:12:00.560 text and I get that.

01:12:02.360 But it appears that this guy's other writings, because we do have some of his correspondence

01:12:08.340 in like the Discord chats he was in, this gamer website, they also seem to track consistently

01:12:15.100 with the way he wrote in these texts.

01:12:17.400 We went through all of these on a lot of them on AM Update, but I'll just read the audience

01:12:22.140 some since because you've referenced them a few times and it's frustrating not to hear

01:12:25.240 them.

01:12:26.280 Robinson texts, um, the lover.

01:12:30.100 I'm still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet.

01:12:33.960 Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still.

01:12:37.740 To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.

01:12:40.740 I'm sorry to involve you.

01:12:42.400 Roommate.

01:12:42.780 You weren't the one who did it, right?

01:12:44.560 Robinson.

01:12:45.040 I am.

01:12:45.600 I'm sorry.

01:12:47.000 Roommate.

01:12:47.340 I thought they caught the person.

01:12:49.200 Robinson.

01:12:49.700 No, they grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing.

01:12:53.780 I'd planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side

01:12:57.840 of town got locked down.

01:12:59.160 It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.

01:13:03.240 Roommate.

01:13:03.620 Why?

01:13:04.240 Robinson.

01:13:04.680 Why did I do it?

01:13:05.600 Roommate.

01:13:05.940 Yeah.

01:13:06.620 Robinson.

01:13:07.560 I had enough of his hatred.

01:13:09.200 Some hate can't be negotiated out.

01:13:11.300 If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence going to attempt to

01:13:16.400 retrieve it again.

01:13:17.880 Hopefully they've moved on.

01:13:18.840 I haven't seen anything about them finding it.

01:13:20.720 Roommate.

01:13:21.080 How long have you been planning this?

01:13:23.000 Robinson.

01:13:23.440 A bit over a week, I believe.

01:13:25.680 I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it.

01:13:29.320 I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it.

01:13:32.300 Robinson.

01:13:32.620 I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.

01:13:35.760 I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring it back, bring back grandpa's

01:13:39.760 rifle.

01:13:40.840 I don't know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.

01:13:45.000 I worry about Prince.

01:13:46.160 I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to

01:13:49.340 bring it with.

01:13:50.400 I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince.

01:13:52.800 How the F will I explain losing it to my old man?

01:13:55.780 Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.

01:13:58.860 Remember how I was engraving bullets?

01:14:00.820 The effing messages are mostly a big meme.

01:14:03.580 If I see notices bulge anywhere on Fox News, he says, I might have a stroke.

01:14:09.140 All right, I'm going to have to leave it.

01:14:10.220 That really effing sucks.

01:14:13.180 I mean, Victor, first of all, there's nothing, there's nothing heartbreaking about that.

01:14:17.480 There's nothing about the human, the humanity.

01:14:20.780 It's there's nothing touching about it whatsoever.

01:14:22.860 This is a cold-blooded killer who's in the full body of the text messages says, guess that

01:14:30.280 rifle really works.

01:14:31.320 Ha ha.

01:14:32.120 Granddad's rifle really, really got it done.

01:14:34.680 So there's nothing touching.

01:14:35.920 But I will say, like, the full confession in there that hits, like, every detail, I see why there are many people online who are like, this can't be real.

01:14:47.600 I mean, have you heard that?

01:14:49.520 Have you read any of those pieces?

01:14:50.880 Well, I have.

01:14:51.620 But I do think it's real.

01:14:53.960 And they'll have forensics that can probably go onto his phone if he wrote it from a phone or computer.

01:15:00.000 And they can look at all of his messages and the grammar and the syntax and see to what degree, if any, these are different.

01:15:07.440 So they'll find out very quickly if they haven't already.

01:15:09.960 But what bothered me about it was he just blew apart somebody's neck, and he's worried about whether his dad's going to get mad at him about the rifle.

01:15:21.220 Two, he obviously thinks, and he thinks he's going to get away with it and live to an old age about it.

01:15:27.720 And three, I would like to know the time differential from the moment he said to the so-called partner,

01:15:35.300 I did it till when law enforcement was notified.

01:15:41.500 Oh, yeah, the roommate did not notify law enforcement.

01:15:44.200 They went to him, not the other way around.

01:15:46.140 Because as I understand the law, you're not, if you have reason to believe that he's kidding or that just, you don't have to.

01:15:54.840 But that wasn't kidding.

01:15:56.560 He was very explicit.

01:15:57.840 And especially when he referenced, you saw me, I think I heard that right, carving the bullets or, you know.

01:16:04.960 Engraving the bullets.

01:16:06.460 That means that this person knew that he was actually engraving messages on a bullet and that he had confessed.

01:16:13.240 And this person did not come forward while there was a Herculean effort to find him.

01:16:18.800 And so I think there's going to be a lot of people that were either privy to what he was doing before that or had a good inclination of what he was doing or in the immediate aftermath of Charlie's death knew about it before law enforcement was notified.

01:16:35.960 And if that's true, I think there's going to be a lot of co-conspirators.

01:16:39.960 Part of it reads to me, like, I agree with you, the roommate knew.

01:16:43.620 I think the roommate probably knew in advance.

01:16:45.760 And I think some of that exchange may have been pre-set up between them.

01:16:49.600 You know, like, I'm going to, I'll give you the big reveal.

01:16:53.200 Just in case I get caught, I'll at least get you off the hook by, I'll be telling you, you'll be in disbelief.

01:17:00.060 Oh, I'm shocked, shocked.

01:17:01.260 It was you?

01:17:01.980 What do you, I mean, that's kind of how it read to me.

01:17:04.140 Um, because, yeah, you're the roommate, you see him engraving bullets with Mrs. Bulges and anti-facist, like, catch this fascist.

01:17:13.740 And, you know, you don't say anything.

01:17:16.400 It's, and by the way, we're still not to the bottom of all these trans activists or trans people online who were saying, wait until September 10th, something big is coming.

01:17:25.160 Charlie Kirk should be evaporated.

01:17:27.080 You just wait.

01:17:27.840 We got him.

01:17:28.820 You know, maybe it's just chatter.

01:17:30.760 Maybe not.

01:17:31.220 But I do believe the FBI is going to get to the bottom of that real quick.

01:17:34.140 And if this guy, this roommate, who now the left is like, oh, he's so cooperative.

01:17:38.320 They're so thrilled that there's a trans person involved.

01:17:40.440 They don't like that piece of it.

01:17:41.540 But they're like, he's cooperative, like he's some sort of a hero.

01:17:44.280 He didn't call the police when he had this exchange.

01:17:47.560 It was the parents.

01:17:49.140 That's a great point, because as soon as I heard that, I thought, why are the police, he's not cooperative.

01:17:54.220 He didn't.

01:17:54.860 He may have, when they confronted him and said, if you don't tell us, you're facing conspiracy to commit murder, and that can be a life sentence now.

01:18:03.920 Are you going to talk?

01:18:04.880 Maybe he did.

01:18:06.000 But he didn't come forward voluntarily when they were in an active investigation and shortened the process to finding him.

01:18:12.940 And the other people who may have known didn't.

01:18:16.400 And I don't think that the shooter meant to say, you saw me or you knew that I was engraving the bullets, because that gave it away.

01:18:23.700 That maybe if that conversation was concocted to give him an alibi, that's not going to work.

01:18:28.640 Because that does show that this guy was in the room, perhaps, and saw him doing that, or was told that he was engraving bullets, and then maybe he knew the messaging, et cetera.

01:18:40.080 Nobody just engraves bullet pieces.

01:18:42.100 You know, I posted online yesterday, and I do have empathy for the parents.

01:18:47.900 I do.

01:18:48.360 I cannot imagine.

01:18:50.920 It's his fault.

01:18:52.020 It's not his parents' fault.

01:18:53.400 And they seem like they were good parents by, you know, what we've read so far.

01:18:57.520 But I do have questions.

01:18:59.560 I do have questions that I'd like to see answered about the parents, because obviously this kid went, whatever, kid, yeah, now I'm doing what they did.

01:19:08.100 This young man at some point went south, and something infected his brain.

01:19:13.100 You know, he got sucked into this far-left ideology.

01:19:16.460 He was gaming too often from the sound of it, got very into this online culture of the gaming world, and went into some sort of a downward spiral.

01:19:25.800 And what I did see online was the mother, when he was about 10, showing this big gaming system she had purchased for him when he's wearing the headphones, and her being like, we're never going to get him away from this now, or something to that effect.

01:19:38.040 And that's exactly, of course, part of the problem.

01:19:40.700 You know, there are a lot of parents who do cede their child-rearing to game consoles, and it becomes a babysitter.

01:19:48.640 I don't know whether that's what happened here, but it's something I'd like to have an answer to, and to figure out exactly how he went from that guy that Matt Gutman was talking about, 4.0, you know, nearly a perfect score on the ACTs,

01:20:02.360 and an eight-semester scholarship to the University of Utah, to left the University of Utah after one semester, enrolled in a technical school, started dating a trans furry,

01:20:15.640 and decides it's his right to take another life because he feels that person's full of hate.

01:20:22.040 Yeah, it's easy to double-guess, but if I was a parent, and I saw this transition in my son, and I am a parent of a son, and I saw him talking,

01:20:34.000 and according to some reports, he was talking very radically, and he, in political terms, very radically,

01:20:42.060 I don't think that I would allow him to have his grandfather's 30-06.

01:20:47.460 And I don't know where he got it or whether the parents knew it, but the first thing I would do is say to him,

01:20:54.280 you're not going to be anywhere near a gun, and I'm going to lock them up because the way you're talking

01:20:58.620 and the change in your lifestyle and the anger that you express is not healthy.

01:21:04.000 And so the idea that he borrowed his grandfather's gun, and he was very worried that he was going to get in trouble

01:21:10.680 if he didn't bring it back, where, I just don't get that.

01:21:15.620 I don't see anybody who had such evidence that he was undergoing a radical transformation,

01:21:21.620 and he hated Charlie Kirk, and apparently he expressed that at dinner or as a guest.

01:21:26.860 And mentioned this event.

01:21:28.740 He mentioned that event.

01:21:30.100 Why in the world did he have access to the family armory?

01:21:33.640 I don't understand that at all.

01:21:35.760 It may have been a gift to him.

01:21:37.620 I'm not sure where I read that.

01:21:39.700 But even so, he's only 22.

01:21:41.640 If you gave it, you can go get it.

01:21:43.580 You're the parent still.

01:21:44.700 You never stop being the parent.

01:21:46.900 Yes.

01:21:48.300 And how would they know if he said, I'm afraid they're going to find out that I lost it?

01:21:53.440 Well, how would they know he lost it if it was his?

01:21:55.680 And does he report back every week, I still have grandfather's gun?

01:21:58.740 Well, here's what happened.

01:21:59.860 But that is spelled out in some of the text messages or by the police at the presser yesterday.

01:22:03.860 I'm trying to remember who said it.

01:22:05.140 The DA.

01:22:06.820 The dad, this is very eerie, very eerie when you think about it.

01:22:10.940 The dad saw the pictures.

01:22:12.860 First, I think first the mom saw the pictures on TV that the FBI released.

01:22:16.640 And she knew it was him.

01:22:19.380 She recognized her son.

01:22:22.140 And she called the dad.

01:22:24.660 And the dad recognized him too.

01:22:26.980 They both thought it was their son.

01:22:28.720 And then they saw the picture the FBI released of the gun, which they found in that nearby wooded area.

01:22:35.960 So they might have recognized that gun as the dad's father's, his own father's gun that they had gifted to Tyler, this suspected shooter.

01:22:45.760 And they were putting two and two together.

01:22:48.140 And then the dad called Tyler to see if he would pick up to see where he was.

01:22:55.360 And that's why Tyler's referencing my dad's calling right now in these longer form, in the longer version of the text messages saying he's calling RN right now.

01:23:03.940 And he, I think, didn't talk to him.

01:23:06.800 He did talk to the mom.

01:23:07.740 And he claimed he was home sick that day.

01:23:09.560 This is on the 11th, the day after the event.

01:23:11.780 And that he'd been home sick on the day before, September 10th.

01:23:15.200 But I do wonder.

01:23:19.420 The parents seem to know awfully quickly that it was their son.

01:23:22.620 And it doesn't seem to have been, like, full of denial.

01:23:25.060 Like, there's no way, you know.

01:23:27.460 So I bet there's more to the story.

01:23:29.180 That's all I'm saying.

01:23:29.880 I bet there's more.

01:23:30.400 I bet you that one videotape of him, guys, can we pull that over of him when he got his scholarship into Utah University?

01:23:40.200 And the mother's like, he's opening up the letter.

01:23:42.820 And the mother is like, yay.

01:23:44.720 I think it's the mother.

01:23:45.580 Forgive me.

01:23:45.860 She's off cam.

01:23:46.780 But you can hear him join in with the cheer at the end.

01:23:50.000 And he sounds off, Victor.

01:23:51.980 He sounds off.

01:23:52.840 And this is right at the precipice of becoming a man.

01:23:55.220 He's, I think, 18 or so in this video.

01:23:57.840 It's just as he's going off to college.

01:24:00.400 And this is when, in that 18 to 25-year-old period, that we see some sort of a psychotic break or some sort of break with a lot of young men.

01:24:07.800 Did they know something more?

01:24:09.520 And I'm not trying to blame them.

01:24:10.740 This is not like it's the parents fault.

01:24:12.100 It's we as a free society need to know what, if any, warning signs were there so we can prevent something like this from happening again.

01:24:21.540 We have it.

01:24:22.080 Here's the video.

01:24:22.640 Okay.

01:24:24.440 Okay.

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01:24:38.120 There's just something off.

01:24:44.080 I mean, I can see it.

01:24:45.620 I'm sure my audience knows it, too.

01:24:48.060 There's something off.

01:24:48.880 Anyway, your thoughts on it.

01:24:50.500 I just, I'm just confused.

01:24:53.280 I know that the law enforcement and the prosecutor were very careful not to prejudice their case and imply something.

01:25:02.140 They didn't have factual evidence.

01:25:03.340 I respect that.

01:25:04.220 But I just, there's something about the narrative that the family was shocked.

01:25:10.060 They had no idea.

01:25:11.360 As soon as they got the message, they immediately called law enforcement.

01:25:16.180 The lover or whatever he was, was completely cooperative.

01:25:19.940 He's just helping us.

01:25:21.340 There's just something about it doesn't ring accurate or it's strained.

01:25:27.280 Whereas I think there were people who, in the case of the lover or the associates on the chat line, had a good idea of what was going on.

01:25:36.500 And there were other people in that community that thought September 10th was going to be an iconic date.

01:25:43.260 And I think these people did not come forward.

01:25:46.420 And I think there might have been people in the family that hesitated too long.

01:25:50.440 But that's just my own.

01:25:53.020 And I think they were naive about the mental status of their own son and his access to a very powerful gun.

01:26:02.140 And the fact that he knew that he was responsible for that gun and worried about not getting it back or that they would find out that it was no longer in his possession shows that they were aware that he had it and it was important to him.

01:26:16.020 As you can see, the hate building, specific mentions of an upcoming event, him withdrawing more and more from you, him going over to left wing ideology, him embracing in the mother's own words, gay rights and trans ideology, now dating a trans furry.

01:26:35.560 I don't know whether they knew that or they didn't, but they should have.

01:26:39.860 All these are potential.

01:26:41.940 Yeah, they're not potential.

01:26:42.960 They are warning signs that someone is having a mental health deterioration.

01:26:48.280 I agree.

01:26:49.900 I agree.

01:26:50.960 They are.

01:26:51.920 And I don't know what to say.

01:26:55.700 The whole thing, what's sad is that when you looked at the security, everybody said he didn't have good security.

01:27:02.440 But it was more like he didn't have any security because you look at where he was talking and you just survey about four rooftops and you would just think, I want one person on one of them with binoculars and a microphone so they can see if there's anybody up there.

01:27:19.880 I still don't know.

01:27:22.140 I hope we find out exactly what the extent of the security was and how this failure happened, same as we found out after Butler, how the Secret Service failed, not to blame people, not to, you know, this wasn't a presidential event.

01:27:38.840 In fairness to the security guards, it wasn't.

01:27:42.240 But there must be some reason why they chose to have the event in such an open air arena, like where a shooter could easily get up and fire straight down at Charlie.

01:27:51.020 And I really, really hope that it's taken into mind in any future public events.

01:27:57.840 Go ahead, Victor.

01:27:58.720 Yeah, I just think if you're Donald Trump, I get worried when I see Donald Trump walking into a restaurant, you know what I mean?

01:28:04.880 And there's people that he's arguing with him.

01:28:07.520 I just think that if you're a major Republican politician or you're a political activist, that because of the reaction to Charlie's death, that there are going to be a lot of people who still believe that if they were to do harm to you, kill you or wound you, that people would not mind at all, that they might get out of it.

01:28:31.760 They might not be swift accountability, legal accountability, and they would be praised.

01:28:37.620 And then that creates a climate in which I think we're in a new era.

01:28:42.700 In the United States, we've had political assassinations, but unlike Europe or Mexico or Latin America, we don't go after media people.

01:28:51.400 Some we have in the past, but not high-profile media.

01:28:54.480 And he was a media person, podcaster, writer, and so it's kind of like a journalist now in Europe or Mexico that's taken out, and that's a bad precedent.

01:29:07.420 I think we crossed a river, the Rubicon, and it's going to be very – I think everybody's going to have to be very careful because I think there's a lot of people.

01:29:15.940 I was on You, You at the day, and I said, I think you're going to see a lot of sympathy with the killer.

01:29:23.600 We didn't know who it was, but I had no idea of the kind of stuff that we've watched and that you played today.

01:29:29.600 Well, and let's face it.

01:29:30.960 I mean, you're right, but the people who need to worry are the people who are, you know, pundits or journalists or podcast hosts on the right.

01:29:40.280 It's those of us on the right who are getting shot down and killed.

01:29:46.160 So, you know, as much as Abby Phillip or whoever wants to pretend this is a both-sides situation, it isn't.

01:29:53.900 Who – like the only example they keep pointing to – there are two.

01:29:58.160 They point to Paul Pelosi.

01:29:59.380 The guy who broke into the Paul Pelosi house and attacked Paul Pelosi was not a Republican.

01:30:03.340 He was a pride flag-bearing BLM boasting.

01:30:07.300 Yes, he had an Antifa flag at his communal home.

01:30:10.260 There was an Antifa flag.

01:30:11.160 Yes, lunatic.

01:30:12.260 Lunatic is how that sentence ends.

01:30:13.320 Illegal alien from Canada.

01:30:15.700 And then there was the Minneapolis house speaker, the Minnesota house speaker, which –

01:30:20.080 Yes.

01:30:20.640 That guy was a lunatic.

01:30:22.300 He was a nut.

01:30:23.140 And to the extent he had a political affiliation, it was with Tim Walsh.

01:30:26.380 Tim Walsh appointed him.

01:30:26.720 He said Tim Walsh told him to do it, to, like, go kill demons.

01:30:30.100 There was no MAGA affiliation.

01:30:32.440 And by the way, there was nobody demonizing that house speaker on the right.

01:30:35.900 There was no campaign to call her a fascist or a Nazi like there was toward Charlie.

01:30:42.240 And then after she died, you know how many Republicans celebrated her murder?

01:30:46.520 Zero.

01:30:47.500 Zero.

01:30:48.760 Not like Charlie, where it's near ubiquitous on Blue Sky and even on X and Instagram.

01:30:55.740 The number of videos that have gotten posted celebrating his murder is stomach-turning.

01:31:00.720 So that's – I don't – just don't – it's us.

01:31:03.640 It's people on the right who literally now need to worry for their lives.

01:31:07.280 It's inexcusable.

01:31:09.360 Well, it's a message.

01:31:11.360 It's saying to people on the right, oh, it's both sides.

01:31:16.520 Ha-ha.

01:31:17.220 But secretly, we know it's only one side.

01:31:20.220 And therefore, you better be careful what you seek.

01:31:22.300 That's the intrinsic message.

01:31:23.740 Be careful where you go.

01:31:24.880 You shouldn't be out.

01:31:26.060 You shouldn't speak.

01:31:26.980 And of course, everybody has to speak more and speak out more clearly so that they don't

01:31:33.080 get away with it.

01:31:33.820 But they feel that there's a deterrent now to suppress free speech.

01:31:40.340 And you can't let that happen.

01:31:43.520 But they know exactly.

01:31:44.900 And when you – and a larger point, we had the nominee for president of the United States,

01:31:50.180 Kamala Harris, say that Donald Trump was a fascist.

01:31:52.420 Joe Biden gave that Phantom of the Opera speech where he said that half the country were semi-fascist.

01:31:59.280 And then we had – I don't want to name their names.

01:32:01.660 But we had, I think, nine generals, retired generals during the Trump first term, including

01:32:07.360 the – and then during the campaign, including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, former, who

01:32:12.580 called Donald Trump a fascist.

01:32:15.260 Fascist.

01:32:15.780 And some worse, liar, equivalent to the jailer at Auschwitz.

01:32:20.380 These were – these were not colonels.

01:32:22.340 These were not private.

01:32:23.140 These were all in violation of Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

01:32:27.120 Nothing happened.

01:32:28.520 If you've got the highest military officers, retired mostly, saying that the president of

01:32:34.940 the United States, their commander-in-chief, and they're subject to the uniform code, and

01:32:38.760 they're calling him a fascist, and there's no consequences, or he's the equivalent of

01:32:45.160 the people at Auschwitz, what does that message mean to somebody in the woodwork?

01:32:50.800 It comes out and says, well, Donald Trump is a fascist, huh?

01:32:55.140 Well, if somebody had killed Mussolini or Hitler, they would have been famous.

01:32:59.760 And so that's the problem.

01:33:01.280 And nobody – and then it is coming from the left.

01:33:04.280 It's always coming from the left.

01:33:05.800 And on that front, Randy Weingarten, of course, head of the – one of the largest teachers

01:33:13.120 unions in America, is just out with a new book, Why Fascists Fear Teachers.

01:33:21.320 It is published in the Rolling Stone right now, an excerpt, with the headline, Why Fascists

01:33:27.000 Hate Critical Thinking.

01:33:28.780 This is dated September 16th, 2025.

01:33:31.700 They're not backing down one minute, and the headline, the subhead is Randy Weingarten's

01:33:38.860 new book, Why Fascists Fear Teachers, reveals why Trump and the right demean teachers slash

01:33:45.060 school funding and rewrite history by Randy Weingarten.

01:33:49.460 They're not standing down one bit on that messaging, even though it's appeared now on

01:33:55.440 bullet casings in an assassination.

01:33:57.680 We had the campaign, a new republic put a picture of Donald Trump with a Hitler moustache

01:34:03.500 that photoshopped that he was Hitler.

01:34:05.120 This is after he'd been the first assassination attempt.

01:34:08.500 No one said a word that he was Hitler.

01:34:11.300 We've had members of Congress call Donald Trump a fascist.

01:34:15.080 So if you keep saying that again and again and again, then you have that Luigi Mangione effect,

01:34:20.220 that you can come out and you can kill an enemy of the people, and you can expect to be treated

01:34:27.200 as a rock star, and you don't think, given our criminal justice system and our revolving door

01:34:33.500 and our critical legal theory, and given what repeat felons have experienced, maybe DeCarlos

01:34:40.720 Brown is a good example, that you're not going to really pay a price.

01:34:44.380 If you're not going to pay a price and you're going to be canonized, then why not do it?

01:34:48.260 That's their attitude, since so many people of authority and prestige have already sanctioned

01:34:52.900 the idea that the person you're targeting is an enemy of the people.

01:34:56.840 And they already have these empty lives to begin with, so what do they have to lose?

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01:38:22.360 Back with me now, Victor Davis Hanson.

01:38:24.800 Okay, so Victor, there has been now, there have been two days of hearings involving Kash

01:38:29.720 Patel, first in front of the Senate and now in front of the House.

01:38:34.020 This exchange he just had with Eric Swalwell, Democrat from California, is burning up the

01:38:41.660 internet.

01:38:42.220 Let's watch it.

01:38:44.140 Anyone that has been terminated at the FBI has been done so.

01:38:46.600 No, no, the question again.

01:38:47.320 They failed to meet the muster in their constitutional obligation.

01:38:49.620 I'm going to work on the audiovisual capabilities.

01:38:52.020 I'm going to borrow your terminology and call bullshit on your entire career in Congress.

01:38:56.540 It has been a disgrace to the American people.

01:38:59.340 You can reclaim your time all you want.

01:39:01.380 Mr. Chairman, you're going to allow a witness to speak this way?

01:39:04.120 Why don't you try serving your constituency by focusing on reducing violent crime in this

01:39:08.820 country and the number of pedophiles that are legally covered in sanctuary cities in California?

01:39:14.820 I'll work with you on that.

01:39:16.200 So that was meaningful.

01:39:20.540 Did you get anything out of that, Victor?

01:39:22.340 That really resonated with you on its substance, did it not?

01:39:26.000 Yeah, I think what Kash Patel has to experience is that the Senate and the House people are going

01:39:34.180 to shout and scream and yell, and what they want him to do is to lose his temper and reply.

01:39:42.700 And part of it's good.

01:39:44.820 He's got to show them that he's defiant for this insanity, but I think he's going to have

01:39:51.900 to, you can't get in a shouting match with those people because that's what they want.

01:39:58.360 They want to shout, shout, shout, and then they're going to say, I'm the inquirer and you're

01:40:02.980 the public servant who's got to be sober, judicious, and quiet, why I malign you and defame you.

01:40:10.100 And so it's effective up to a point to say, you know what, I'm not going to take this.

01:40:15.660 But at that point, after you've made that point, I don't think, I think they want you

01:40:19.740 to end up shouting back and forth.

01:40:22.580 That's all I, and I know Kash.

01:40:25.440 I've known him a long time.

01:40:26.540 I like him.

01:40:27.460 He's very bright.

01:40:28.440 But I think he's got to realize that they're out to fire him, the left is, and they're

01:40:35.880 trying to put pressure on every aspect of his career.

01:40:39.280 They're trying to say he doesn't have the temperament, he's on social media too much,

01:40:42.280 he shouldn't be in the media, and they are working on members of the Trump administration,

01:40:47.180 and he's got to say, I'm going to go to Congress.

01:40:50.580 I'm going to be defamed, I'm going to be maligned, I will be sharp and tell him not to do this,

01:40:56.540 and then I'm going to keep my cool.

01:41:00.220 Yeah, well, he's fighting and talking over them, which is another way of kind of silencing the message.

01:41:05.620 Yeah, I love the saying, don't fight with a pig.

01:41:09.920 You get dirty and the pig likes it.

01:41:11.640 That's exactly right.

01:41:12.640 Like, it's the truer words, it works for me.

01:41:15.860 Here's another exchange with Representative Pramila Jayapal.

01:41:21.020 She's a Democrat from Washington.

01:41:23.100 You are not answering the question.

01:41:26.240 The question is, is these women, are these women credible?

01:41:31.400 It's a yes or no answer.

01:41:32.640 I have answered the question.

01:41:34.340 Well, what is the answer?

01:41:35.140 I keep telling you, I'm the only FBI director that has welcomed new information in this case.

01:41:39.160 This administration is the only one that has welcomed any new information in this case.

01:41:43.740 Is there a yes or no to whether the victims are credible?

01:41:45.480 Present new credible information.

01:41:48.240 Present new information.

01:41:49.160 Are the victims credible or not?

01:41:52.780 I'll tell you what happened in the last Trump administration.

01:41:54.860 Are they credible or not?

01:41:55.720 You can't even say.

01:41:56.300 Victims credibly came forward, and you know what happened?

01:41:58.360 President Trump authorized the indictments of Jeffrey Epstein.

01:42:02.200 President Trump called them a hoax.

01:42:03.540 Not Biden, not Obama.

01:42:04.420 Are you going to cover up?

01:42:06.060 Are you going to continue to cover up for the rich and powerful men, including those

01:42:12.080 that might be on this committee?

01:42:13.520 I can yell to him, Mr. Chairman, but I don't want to yell up on this.

01:42:17.060 Oh, you don't say.

01:42:19.940 Which ones in particular?

01:42:21.260 He should have said who?

01:42:22.300 Walk me through exactly what they do.

01:42:24.120 Exactly.

01:42:24.860 He should have.

01:42:25.820 He should have.

01:42:26.440 He should have go through all of them.

01:42:28.580 But you know, Victor, this is such a, I don't know, it's all like performative.

01:42:33.860 Because some of those alleged victims are credible, and some are not.

01:42:39.020 I mean, the one who died, Virginia Giuffre, definitely told lies.

01:42:42.960 I mean, repeated lies in her case.

01:42:44.860 Was it all a lie?

01:42:45.680 No.

01:42:46.420 But I mean, what an inane, asinine question to ask him.

01:42:50.240 Are they all credible?

01:42:51.720 I don't know.

01:42:52.200 How does he know sitting there?

01:42:53.360 The same thing of the people that are on his text messages or emails.

01:42:57.600 Some of them went to the island.

01:42:58.660 And some of them were dastardly and deserved to be indicted.

01:43:02.960 But some of them just saw him somewhere, and they thought, wow, he's got money.

01:43:07.460 Maybe I'll text him, and maybe he'll give money to my campaign.

01:43:10.220 Or maybe he'll help my foundation.

01:43:12.060 So there were all different categories on all aspects of it.

01:43:16.080 And that's, I think, what Cash was trying to say.

01:43:18.200 They're going through the whole end of the whole.

01:43:19.600 But the subtext of the whole thing is they sat on this for the whole period under Joe Biden.

01:43:24.520 They didn't mention it.

01:43:25.600 No one talked about it.

01:43:26.760 It wasn't an issue.

01:43:27.960 It only came out.

01:43:29.780 And then I think now the only remedy is just to let it all out there and let people sift through it.

01:43:34.480 There was an exchange between Cash Patel and Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, a Republican, yesterday,

01:43:40.820 on whether there are groups out there that are actually trying to fund violence in America.

01:43:48.600 Watch this.

01:43:49.100 Interesting exchange here in SOT-19.

01:43:52.280 Are you investigating any domestic sales that instigate or encourage or fund or in any way support attacks on churches or other houses of worship?

01:44:03.540 Senator, you raise an incredibly important point that most people don't look at.

01:44:07.920 I've always said we follow the money.

01:44:10.820 And whether it's terrorism or attacks based on ideology or attacks on institutions of faith or people of faith,

01:44:17.400 someone's paying for it, and we are reverse tracing those steps, we are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves.

01:44:23.500 We are reverse engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who funded them and knowingly funded them.

01:44:29.620 And we will bring the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DOJ.

01:44:32.820 Good.

01:44:33.280 I'm glad to hear that.

01:44:34.180 We look forward to hearing reports on that progress.

01:44:36.120 I mean, that dovetails with what Stephen Miller said the other day to J.D. Vance when he was subbing in on Charlie's show.

01:44:43.520 And, Victor, it's about time.

01:44:45.300 Yeah, I mean, every time you see, when you look at the demonstrations that were in the Columbia campus or you look at the L.A. anti-ice,

01:44:55.620 you see all of these tents or all of this equipment or masks, they're all the same.

01:45:03.380 They're all new.

01:45:04.040 So somebody knows these protests, and that would include religious protests.

01:45:10.460 They know them in advance, and they are supplying material for them and financial support.

01:45:16.440 Because, after all, a lot of these people, they're not working.

01:45:20.380 They're just out there constantly.

01:45:23.040 And we know that some of the signs that they are, they're all printed out, and they go out.

01:45:27.100 And especially the one that was really strange was the Tesla stuff.

01:45:30.400 All of a sudden, we had this epidemic that everybody was, it was like a script.

01:45:35.680 You go after Tesla.

01:45:36.780 You run them off the road.

01:45:37.900 You try to harass them.

01:45:39.520 You go after dealerships.

01:45:41.120 You key cars.

01:45:42.380 Where do they get all the talking points?

01:45:44.060 And then it just dies down.

01:45:46.180 And so I think it's going to be hard to find, he says he's attempting, it's going to be hard because they're going to say,

01:45:53.040 well, we were just funding peaceful demonstrations.

01:45:55.900 But to the degree that they're violent, and there's, I think they're going to be able to do that.

01:46:01.340 At least the IRS can look at them.

01:46:03.820 There was a good exchange between Senator Eric Schmidt, Republican from Missouri, and Cash Patel on left-wing violence.

01:46:11.300 And I'm going to play this not for Cash's response, which wasn't much, but for Senator Schmidt's list of what, of the examples.

01:46:21.440 It was thorough, and it was powerful.

01:46:23.600 Here it is in SOT-18.

01:46:25.900 And don't give me this, both sides, bullshit.

01:46:30.500 Mr. Director, I want to ask you.

01:46:34.420 Tell me if each one of the following perpetrators or alleged perpetrators were acting from left-wing or right-wing political violence.

01:46:42.820 The man who tried to kill Republican congressmen at the congressional baseball practice, nearly killing House Majority Leader Steve Scalise.

01:46:50.340 Left-wing or right-wing violence?

01:46:52.120 Sir, I believe it was a left-wing ideology.

01:46:56.160 Okay.

01:46:56.660 Burned down cities during the summer of love in the George Floyd riots.

01:47:00.260 Left-wing violence or right-wing violence?

01:47:02.380 Sir, I'll rely on you on these.

01:47:04.720 I don't have off the top of my head.

01:47:06.600 I'm sorry.

01:47:06.700 Okay.

01:47:07.120 Left-wing.

01:47:07.640 The Waukesha Christmas Parade Massacre.

01:47:10.900 Left-wing or right-wing violence?

01:47:12.320 Left-wing.

01:47:13.460 The Lee Zeldin stabbing attempt?

01:47:15.080 Left-wing or right-wing?

01:47:16.200 Left-wing.

01:47:16.900 The Covenant school shooting in Nashville?

01:47:18.640 Left-wing or right-wing?

01:47:19.680 Left-wing.

01:47:20.240 The Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt on President Trump?

01:47:23.040 Left-wing or right-wing?

01:47:24.160 Left-wing.

01:47:25.240 The Trump International West Palm Beach assassination attempt?

01:47:28.280 Left-wing.

01:47:28.880 The Abundant Live Christian school shooting?

01:47:30.640 Left-wing.

01:47:31.220 The United Care CEO's murder?

01:47:33.800 Left-wing.

01:47:34.440 Tesla's burned, keyed, damaged, firebombed?

01:47:37.120 Left-wing.

01:47:37.740 Left-wing.

01:47:38.300 The murders at the Israeli embassy?

01:47:40.540 Left-wing.

01:47:41.160 The ICE facilities?

01:47:42.220 Firebombed.

01:47:42.900 Left-wing.

01:47:43.520 The Minnesota Catholic school shooting?

01:47:45.260 Left-wing.

01:47:45.880 The anti-white Charlotte in North Carolina stabbing?

01:47:48.300 Left-wing.

01:47:48.920 The attempted Utah News State firebombing?

01:47:52.200 Left-wing.

01:47:52.680 And now, of course, the culmination of this vile trend, a left-wing assassination of Charlie Kirk.

01:48:01.060 Honestly, Victor, it leads me to ask, would anything get the leftist's attention?

01:48:08.460 Like, if Charlie's murder on camera doesn't change them into stopping with the violent rhetoric

01:48:18.160 and the normalization of violence when it comes to our politics, what will?

01:48:24.040 What will it take?

01:48:25.720 I don't think it will—I think what it will take is a complete political repudiation,

01:48:32.020 sort of what followed the hijacking of the Democratic Party by the McGovern people in 72.

01:48:36.880 And when they got a complete landslide, and then except for Jimmy Carter's aberration of four years,

01:48:44.680 there was 20 years of Republican governance.

01:48:48.040 And that's the only thing they understand.

01:48:50.540 And they don't understand that because they're idealistic or they're judicious, sober and judicious.

01:48:55.080 They understand it because they don't have power.

01:48:56.620 So the only thing they're going to understand is they're going to have to lose the House and the Senate again,

01:49:02.460 and they're going to not win the presidency for the next 10 years.

01:49:07.980 And then maybe, just maybe, it'll sink in that people don't want their message.

01:49:13.080 But in that process, they're going to get angrier and angrier and angrier and double down

01:49:18.480 and more radical until they implode.

01:49:20.400 And then somebody has an intervention, a kind of a Fetterman intervention, not just one senator,

01:49:26.380 but a bunch of people come forward and say, the people don't like us, and we can't win, and we have no power.

01:49:31.900 So we've got to at least do a Bill Clinton, as he did in 92, or something.

01:49:38.360 But they're not going to self-correct because they want to, or it's the right thing.

01:49:41.860 It's going to have to be imposed politically on them.

01:49:45.000 But we're in some rough times because the more they feel impotent,

01:49:49.340 and given their arrogance and narcissism, that they think they're better educated

01:49:53.560 and more moral than the rest of us, and therefore they have a right of any means necessary or justified

01:49:59.580 because the ends are so noble and so moral, and they are the bicoastal elite, and they can do this.

01:50:05.680 It's going to be a long haul.

01:50:08.560 It really is.

01:50:09.920 They're very dangerous people.

01:50:11.900 I believe that.

01:50:12.500 I think they're very dangerous.

01:50:14.900 I totally agree with that, too.

01:50:16.120 There are some who are still normal, but not enough.

01:50:20.060 And while they may be reaching out to those of us on the right now, they need to speak up to their own people.

01:50:26.720 They do.

01:50:27.220 So that the overwhelming message of the country is this has to stop.

01:50:32.220 We can fight on politics.

01:50:35.060 We can get into all the issues, but just stop with the constant fascist, Nazi, white supremacist.

01:50:41.040 That does rile people up.

01:50:43.740 We have seen too many examples of it.

01:50:46.700 Anyway, Victor, I love having you on.

01:50:49.060 I will be getting the new paper book, even though we have read The End of Everything,

01:50:53.020 but I want to see the updated info.

01:50:55.060 You guys should do it, too.

01:50:56.120 Check it out, and thanks for coming on.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 17, 2025

Media Gaslights on Alleged Shooter's Motivations, and Charlie Kirk's Legacy, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 1151

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