Media Ignores Shooter Reality, Megyn Reveals Blake Lively Subpoena, and Adelson on Trial, with Matt Walsh, Eiglarsh, Geragos, Holloway
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In the wake of the mass shooting at a Catholic school in which an 8-year-old girl and a 10-year old girl were killed by a man posing as a woman who identified as transgender, the mayor of Minneapolis calls it a hate crime.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.
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We've got a big Kelly's court coming up where I'll be breaking some news about Blake Lively and yours truly.
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But first, the left's stunning reaction to yesterday's horrifying shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school's first mass of the year.
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The 23-year-old shooter, a man pretending to be a woman who identified as transgender, shot and killed an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old.
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14 other kids were wounded, as were three adults who are in their 80s.
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All of the wounded, all of the wounded, miraculously, I mean, truly miraculously, are expected to survive.
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I mean, I know I'm feeling, as you are, just incredibly so sad for the parents of that little 8-year-old and that little 10-year-old and would do anything to help them.
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But I'm also so relieved that the wounds all the other children and the elderly people suffered have turned out not to be fatal.
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You just, you look for the silver linings you can find in these situations.
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FBI Director Cash Patel says the Bureau is investigating this shooting as an act of domestic terrorism and as a hate crime targeting Catholics.
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And in the aftermath, Minneapolis Democrat mayor made sure his focus was on protecting not children, not Catholics, but the trans community.
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Here he is talking to a nodding Aaron Burnett on CNN last night.
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Obviously, I've heard about the rhetoric and the narrative that is being pushed out.
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But here's the thing, anybody that is going to use this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any community has lost touch with a common humanity.
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We've got to be operating not out of hate for any group, but out of a love for our children.
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A love for our kids, seeing these kids, not just as somebody else's kids, this horrific thing happened, but what if it was our own?
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So, look, we need to be standing up for every community out there, a Catholic community, too, by the way.
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Hate can't be operating out of hate for the trans community.
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It's about being honest about what was wrong with this obviously extremely ill, mentally ill man who picked up his guns, three of them to be exact, and shot a bunch of kids.
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How dare you try to turn this into a pro-LGBTQ moment?
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We have to get really honest about what was wrong with this shooter.
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And, P.S., it's the same thing that's been wrong with shooters in a multitude of mass shootings now, which your side, mayor, refuses to acknowledge.
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Because I don't remember you out there, Mr. Mayor.
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We're at these scenes moments after the gunfire went off.
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You've got, yes, one terrible tragedy in your community.
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It's about a lot more than your alleged hate for certain communities.
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I mean, also, like, oh, and the Catholic community, by the way.
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We really appreciate you deigning to acknowledge that Catholics have been targeted here.
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I mean, literally putting the group that was the targeted, chosen victims of the shooting as like an afterthought.
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What this is really about is how mean we are to trans people.
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When we were planning today's show, I knew there was nobody better to start it with than Matt Walsh.
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He's host of the Matt Walsh Show on The Daily Wire.
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Yeah, I mean, it is, and you expect nothing less from this guy.
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I mean, remember, this is the mayor, Jacob Fry, who wept at the golden casket of George Floyd back in 2020.
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So this guy is just a completely pathetic piece of garbage.
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But you're exactly right that it's way past time that we start being honest about all this.
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And that includes the fact that trans violence is not, this is not an aberration.
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You know, if it's seen, now, of course, the media plays this game all the time where they want us to deny the realities in front of our face.
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And when it comes to transgenderism in particular, that's, of course, been the game for a long time.
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But it certainly seems as though very often these days when there's a mass shooting, and then we find out a little bit more about the killer,
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we find out that, oh, they've got the she-her pronouns, they-them, non-binary, trans.
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It certainly seems like that is a big part of the story very often.
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And also keep something else in mind, that there's no official database of trans violence that any government entity keeps.
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But there isn't one, which only means that, like, we only find out about the trans connection to violence when it's one of these big, huge mass shootings
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that the media has to talk about because they have no choice because of the bloodshed.
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But there are many other cases of violence, assaults, these sorts of things where maybe nobody is killed.
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It's not really reported, certainly not on the national scale.
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And so how often is there a trans connection there?
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But my only point is that I think the problem is even worse than any of us realize.
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Makes perfect sense because you look at what's happening today in the media,
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and the New York Times does a whole article about the shooter.
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And the only mention of the gender identity is in the context of pointing out conservatives are attacking it,
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not even considered as something we should be looking at and trying to figure out what was wrong with this shooter's head.
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CNN, an article entitled How the Absolutely Incomprehensible Shooting Unfolded by Chelsea Bailey,
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makes no mention of the shooter's gender identity.
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USA Today doesn't mention the shooter's gender identity at all.
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Hat tip to Tom Bevin of Real Clear Politics for pointing these out on X today.
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They're completely whitewashing it like it's a non-factor map, Matt.
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Yeah, and they don't want to have the conversation.
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And by the way, the fact that the person is trans, this is obviously a relevant fact.
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This is not just some conservative gotcha moment.
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Well, number one, if somebody identifies as trans, that means that they are delusional.
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This is a delusional person who is confused about a basic fact of reality,
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like one of the most basic facts, which is biological reality, their own sex.
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So this is someone who has a delusional mindset.
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What has the media been telling them for years now?
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They've been telling them that, you know, if somebody does not affirm your fake identity,
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They're an actual, they're an actual threat to you.
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Trans, you hear the phrase trans genocide has been used many times.
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No one's rounding up trans people and killing them.
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But what they mean by trans genocide is, you know, well, people like you, Megan or me,
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who when we go on the air and we say that biological reality exists and we're not going to affirm
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your delusions, we are somehow participating in a genocide, which makes no sense.
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But if you have someone who's already mentally ill, they're already suffering from delusions,
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and then you take that person, you tell them, hey, those people over there, conservatives,
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Catholics, they're committing a genocide against you.
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When they refuse to affirm you, they're actually physically harming you.
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Well, now you're giving that person all the excuse they need, all the pretense they need
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So this is, you've got Peggy Flanagan, the lieutenant governor, wore a shirt that said,
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You are actively encouraging them to commit acts of violence, and then that's exactly
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And then on top of that, there's the problem of the way the psychiatric system deals with
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anyone, child or adult, who says they're trans.
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And this person started saying it when they were still a minor and apparently got a name
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change from a male name to a female name when they were a minor.
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And you and I both know, including Miriam Grossman, who was in your wonderful movie,
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She's one of the few honest brokers in the field of dealing with this, like the trans,
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the gender dysphoria and trans confusion amongst youth.
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And she pointed out in your movie and on our show and elsewhere, and I think she's written
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a book now too, the only standard when someone like this shooter goes in to see a child psychiatrist
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or any sort of mental health professional is to affirm, you're not allowed to explore possible
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psychotic breaks that the person may be experiencing, maybe just upset due to a shitty childhood
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She's getting bullied, has nothing to do with gender.
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The modern psychiatric standards is to just lean into the gender ideology.
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And as a result, all those underlying and other things really go untreated.
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And that's why every, I mean, we can, I think we can safely assume that this person, this
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scumbag had plenty of, you know, experience with the psychiatric community, psychiatrists,
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I mean, I don't have any information about that.
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And all of those people, we should have the names of all those people because they all
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hold a fair amount of responsibility for what happened.
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Because, of course, you're exactly right that when you have someone come in, especially
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a minor, and they're claiming that they're, you know, it's a boy that claims he's a girl.
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Well, you know, I said before, these people are delusional.
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But what you can also have is someone who kind of like knows that they're not actually
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They actually know that they're not, they don't actually, they don't actually think they're
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a woman, but they're making this claim for some other reason.
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You know, and whether it's a fetish or in the case of a kid, it could be that kid was
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But because you have to just affirm, you can't get to the bottom of that and actually start
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And then you take this very disturbed person, and you're basically just, you're abandoning
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They've got their, they have their very unhealthy coping, coping mechanism, which is to, which
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is to, you know, reject their own identity and pretend to be somebody else.
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And rather than saying, okay, well, this, clearly there's something very wrong here.
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We got to get to the bottom of it so we can help this person.
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Instead, you just abandon them to that coping mechanism and kind of just wait until the inevitable
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Yeah, because it's considered conversion therapy within the psychiatric community to try to
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talk to that person about whether they're actually having gender dysphoria or whether this
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is just like something they're throwing out there as a more fashionable excuse for certain
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feelings they're having of depression or what have you.
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And so you're not allowed to really get into that stuff.
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And then in most cases, they add to the mix by putting the person on a dangerous cocktail
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of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones and even chopping off healthy body parts, which
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We don't know whether that happened in this case.
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We're just talking about the system and how messed up it is.
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Her messaging has been so deeply flawed on this and wrong.
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This is life affirming and life saving health care.
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When our children tell us who they are, it is our job as grownups to listen and to believe
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I know you covered that on your show at the time.
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It was such an insane way of phrasing how you react when your child has this issue.
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Yeah, I can't think of a – it's hard for me to imagine worse parenting advice than that.
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Our job as a parent is to believe whatever your kid says.
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If anything, it's your job as a parent most of the time is to not accept whatever crazy
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And what really infuriates me about it when I hear people like Peggy Flanagan or any of
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these people on the left is that I know that they don't really believe it.
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They don't – you would have to actually be mentally ill yourself, which, of course,
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plenty of them, maybe Peggy Flanagan is, but everyone at bottom knows that a man is a man
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Everybody knows that children are children, and there's a lot of things they don't understand
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Everyone knows that you can't just give a kid a cocktail of drugs and magically turn
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So they all actually know that, and yet – and they know the harm that it causes, but they
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They do it – if it's a pharmaceutical industry and a medical industry, they do it for money.
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They do it for all these reasons, knowing the harm that it causes, and that to me just
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You mentioned that some of them genuinely might be nuts.
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That leads me to Nebraska Democratic State Senator Michaela Kavanaugh, who, when Nebraska
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passed a law saying, we're not going to offer these procedures for minors.
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Like, if you want to do this stuff to yourself as an adult, that's one thing.
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Minors should not be cut up by money-motivated surgeons who want to make money off of their
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But some of them truly do seem like actual nuts.
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yeah i think i well certainly there's there's plenty of democrats who are insane uh but i
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almost think we give them too much credit or we let them off the hook a little bit by writing
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them all off as insane because if you're insane then it's not your fault right i mean that's what
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being insane is and i think even in the case of i mean you'd be excused for seeing that performance
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and thinking this person's totally nuts um and yet i think i i i think that that's it's it's
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there's a strategy though there's actually when they when they do the thing where they just yell
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the phrase over and over again uh this is very common on the left it's one of their favorite
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tactics and this there's a strategy the strategy is like we're just going to filibuster by screaming
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because there's no actual argument they can't make an argument in favor of this they can't present
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i mean i've been talking about this of course for a very long time and i've yet to hear anyone on the
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left actually present anything resembling a coherent argument uh in favor of chemically castrating kids
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it doesn't exist they know it so instead of they they start screaming about it and also by the way
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not to you know not to sidetrack this but you mentioned this was in response to a law that would
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ban this stuff for kids um and you know for for and even a lot of conservatives will say well when
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you're an adult you can do what you want um i think that part of the conversation now especially
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in light of what of what happened yesterday uh and in general i think on as conservatives we need to
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move to the next step uh which is that this is not just about protecting protecting kids is number
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one priority and fortunately we've we've we've made huge strides in protecting kids against gender
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ideology there's still more to be done um but we we are winning on that we are winning on it um but for
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me anyway that was never going to be the end of it um because the next step is to destroy the gender
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transition industry period um because it may be true that adults in their own private life can do
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what they want in the privacy of of their own homes like if you're in your own home and if you're in
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if you're a if you're a man who identifies as a woman and in your own home you put on a dress or
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something that's weird you shouldn't do it but no one else can see it and so there's nothing we can do
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about it but when we talk about gender transitions even for adults that's not something that they're doing
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to themselves that's something that a doctor is doing to them and my point is that doctors should
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not be allowed to do that to anyone of any age if someone comes to you and is a male and says i feel
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like i'm a female um you you should not be allowed to take advantage of that confusion and that delusion
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uh by giving them castration drugs and permanently physically harming their bodies no matter what their
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age is what they need is psychiatric help and as a doctor as a medical provider you should be legally
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uh required to give them the psychiatric help that they need and so that's what i that that's that's
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i think where the conversation should go from i i agree with you and i also think it's we've been
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derelicted not having the conversation about just how blatantly offensive it is you know i mean
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i go back to the the irish girl brand dove she goes by and she did that amazing poem about how i am not
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a dress you know i i'm not a costume to be worn it's not that far afield from the blackface discussion
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you you just can't do it because it's offensive it's deeply offensive to the target group who
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you're pretending to be and that as a woman that's how i feel like you don't you don't get the first
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thing about being a woman just because you put on lipstick and a dress and i'm not a i'm not a
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costume i'm not a dress you're offensive looking at you parading around and insisting i call you miz
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is offensive to me i don't want to have to participate in it most of these guys are having
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a sexual fetish fulfilled anyway i don't want my kid to participate in your sexual fetish nor do i
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want to do it there's all sorts of reasons to take issue with it at the adult level too i want to keep
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going because we have so many things to get through back to the question of the fakers the ones who
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aren't nuts but are doing it to virtue signal or as you point out some of these people are on the
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payroll who have gotten donations or in the form of ads or in the form of direct payments to their
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hospitals here's npr's alisa chang doing an interview with senator klobuchar who's the minnesota
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senator on this issue yesterday two children have just been shot dead you've got another 18 who have
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been wounded who are in the hospitals and listen to what's upsetting miss chang in this discussion
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saw four there is of course the hate you're going to find that this perpetrator that this
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horrific offender that he there was it was all purpose hate right he hated a lot of different
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groups it wasn't one ideology or another we're going to have to leave it there that is senator
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amy klobuchar of minnesota thank you very much for taking the time thank you for thinking of us thank
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you and just a point of clarification senator klobuchar referenced the shooter as he although
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police have identified a suspect it's still unclear at this time what that person's gender is or how they
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yeah i i actually had not that i hadn't seen that clip and uh i i don't know how i can continue to be
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surprised by these people but um some somehow just just the total shamelessness uh of that
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and uh worrying about respecting the so-called gender identity of a guy who just killed children
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i mean he went to a we all understand this he went to a church and shot children so you're dealing with
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that's the most evil you can possibly be that's that is the absolute depths of of of evil and uh the
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idea that we should be at all concerned because why why are we concerned are we concerned about
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about hurting his feelings as he's you know that guy's burning in hell right now he's got bigger
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problems i can tell you that than um then than whether or not his gender identity is being
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respected so that is uh just shameless and that's right nonsense and was looking forward to it i mean his
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manifesto online has entries that read as follows um i love when kids get shot i love to see kids get
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torn apart i've had thoughts about mass murder for a long time then he says i'm very conflicted with
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writing this journal um i need to get my thoughts out without getting on a watch list ha ha ha and i
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mean there's a real question about your point like yeah who who should have been watching you and
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reporting you to authorities the mother willingly participated in the name change and was all
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smiles and pictures of this guy trying to look like a woman there had to be some sort of mental health
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professional involved i'm sure and then we find out that he actually had regrets about it the new
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york post reporting this morning that he confessed he was quote tired of being trans and wished quote
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he never brainwashed himself in this manifesto that was posted online wrote quote i only keep the
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long hair because it's pretty much my last shred of being trans i'm tired of being trans i wish i
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never brainwashed myself i can't cut my hair now as it would be an embarrassing defeat and it might be a
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concerning change of character that could me get me reported i will probably chop it on the day of
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oh i mean it again it tells us among other things just the total dereliction of duty uh on the part of
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whatever group of so-called mental health professionals um he he you know had had been
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consulting and we can assume that there were plenty i mean this is someone who
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and this and we find this very often also this is another this is another common thread with these
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mass shootings um what you find is that whether this is a trans person or not uh very very often
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they're on psychiatric medication we don't know if this guy was on psychiatric medication i think it
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sounds like pretty pretty good possibility he was but there's very often that's the case and also
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very often these are people who are very much you know they they have therapists they have psychiatrists
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they're they're in that whole world and yet when we and now of course it's with hindsight because
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we're only aware of these people in the public after they commit the the heinous act but still
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it's like if i had seen that guy a week ago and had a five minute conversation with him
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i could have immediately known like this is a dangerous person i mean this is this is a disturbed
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potentially dangerous person it just it it leaps off the screen at you um even even if you didn't
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have the benefit of hindsight i think any of us could and so the question is always well where
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where were the whatever therapist whatever counselor what what were what were you doing exactly what was
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happening in these sessions and i think we need more clarity on that i know that there's all kinds of
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uh of laws you know because you have you have privacy and all that stuff is important
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but i think we need some changes of policies because when this sort of thing happens we need
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to know what what psychiatric drugs if any was the person on and uh what which which medical
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professionals was this person consulting we need to know these things um and uh and i think that that
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needs to change one of the other things the manifesto makes clear is that he was uh smoking a lot of
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pot vaping all the time and uh like alex berenson who's done a lot of writing on the dangers of
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today's marijuana and vaping he he's raising that as a common thread that we've seen with a lot of
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these school shooters so you've got this basically this madman who's lost it who's had some sort of a
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break it's manifesting in a number of ways including this trans ideology who's smoking a bunch of dope
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and vaping all the time some of the manifesto shows like wafts of smoke coming up he's obviously
00:28:40.060
smoking and all the left wants to talk about matt is guns that's it the guns are the problem and also
00:28:49.020
by the way they're sick and tired of our thoughts and prayers i'll give you jen saki inside nine
00:28:55.500
all they should be hoping to do is have someone to sit with at lunch or someone to play with on the
00:29:03.080
playground and they should be waiting to hear an update when they get home and that is not what
00:29:09.280
these parents in the school experience today because we have been here so many times so many times
00:29:15.460
and yet again like clockwork half the politicians in our country have little more to offer than thoughts
00:29:22.400
and prayers that is all they are offering you're going to start seeing narratives you're already
00:29:26.280
seeing them they're already out there about how the shooter was trans you're going to see
00:29:29.820
narratives about how the shooter appeared to be anti-trump and anti-semitic and clearly was in
00:29:34.580
the midst of a mental health crisis weaponizing the shooter's identity is meant to distract from
00:29:38.740
what matters that is what they are doing trying to distract from what matters here's what matters
00:29:42.900
today's shooter bought the what rifle handgun and shotgun they used to do what they did today
00:29:47.320
legally it's the guns everyone it's not really a secret thoughts on it matt
00:29:52.840
yeah well i i first of all you want to talk about guns okay so this was a trans killer so i don't know
00:30:03.520
jen saki are you saying that what we should we should stop uh trans identified people from owning guns
00:30:09.060
you want to have that conversation okay let's have that conversation i don't think she does
00:30:12.660
um and i think this this stuff about you know this stuff about thoughts and prayers it well we we got
00:30:18.720
to do more than just pray yeah we all know that okay that first of all that is obviously a a direct
00:30:24.780
attack on and an insult against the the actual victims themselves as many people have pointed out
00:30:30.500
of course it's true these people were in a church they were praying and now here you are being
00:30:35.760
dismissive and contemptuous of prayer so obviously you're directly insulting the people the kids who
00:30:42.860
were just killed which makes you a just absolutely vile scumbag but also as every christian knows that
00:30:49.640
that yes we we pray we believe in the power of prayer but no one thinks that well you should just
00:30:55.440
pray and do nothing else you you pray and you beseech god for his mercy and for his his his help um but
00:31:04.220
then you have to also go out and do things and when it comes to to uh cutting down on these kinds of
00:31:09.200
incidents it just so happens that most conservatives there's a lot there's a lot of there are a lot of
00:31:13.740
act like actual things that we want to do that we are proposing yes we should pray but also um we
00:31:22.140
should stop transing the kids okay also we should shut down the gender affirmation industry entirely
00:31:28.220
also we should start holding the the big pharmaceutical companies accountable for all these psychiatric drugs
00:31:34.060
that they're putting on on uh that they're that they're you know putting all these people on we
00:31:38.720
should do that also we should have uh you know every school in the country should have armed security
00:31:44.180
i mean unfortunately where i spot now where every church also probably needs uh armed security so
00:31:50.380
there's like i don't know there's four or five things i just listed actual active things that we can do
00:31:55.660
um and that many conservatives have proposed the exact same thing uh so this idea that we don't want to do
00:32:02.380
anything but pray is just a ridiculous and insulting straw man she won't talk about it she won't talk
00:32:08.340
about any of those ideas she just wants to act exasperated in front of her audience that it's all about
00:32:14.240
the guns that a madman like this wouldn't have found an alternative way of hurting these children
00:32:19.740
and that in jen saki's world you know you just take away the guns and then they'll they'll never hurt
00:32:24.420
somebody again the gun solution is totally impractical it's never happening even if the united states
00:32:29.480
if the people wanted it and voted for it there's no way of getting 400 million guns
00:32:33.120
out of the united states of america it's not a possible thing to do and even if you did it
00:32:37.600
you'd still have mass death because madmen do what madmen do the solution is to look at the madmen and
00:32:44.720
figure out how to keep them away from the rest of us if you can stop the deterioration which is what
00:32:49.940
you're talking about with the crackdown on the on the trans enablers great but if you can't i'm all
00:32:55.180
for institutionalizing these people when it's clear that they're a danger to society and at a
00:33:00.280
minimum we should be fortifying all the soft targets that we know we know they want to hit
00:33:05.680
we've now had way too much evidence that schools are vulnerable and that places of worship are
00:33:10.880
vulnerable so still you have i mean even look you had andy mccabe right formerly of the fbi on cnn uh
00:33:19.260
this morning and he's drawing the line matt between uh the shooting in nashville tennessee
00:33:26.400
by a girl who said she was trans um and and targeted this christian school to this shooting
00:33:34.640
that we had yesterday and he talks about all the similarities okay this is a former law enforcement
00:33:39.760
official and and see if you can guess see if you can glean what's not included on his list as he's
00:33:46.600
trying to find the the seam in the story that can help law enforcement figure out who to be wary of
00:33:53.720
going forward here it is in slot seven i haven't seen the manifesto so i can't say whether there are
00:33:59.800
specific references to the 2023 covenant school shooter in nashville but if you look at that
00:34:04.940
if that's it situation and this one there are remarkable similarities so both were in their 20s
00:34:11.640
both targeted religious schools that they formerly attended um both uh brought three weapons to the
00:34:18.300
crime both purchased those weapons legally both drove to the attack site and left a vehicle there
00:34:24.040
uh both posted manifestos in which they raged uh and expressed grievance towards numerous uh ethnic
00:34:31.560
groups and religions you know a real broad stroke of uh of kind of anger there both sought to kill
00:34:39.460
children young children specifically and i think the most important here is both were students of other
00:34:45.060
mass shooters he doesn't even mention it the trans thing let me just give you one more quickly
00:34:54.080
former fbi agent again law enforcement official katherine schweite goes on msnbc talks about how the
00:35:01.260
shooter became radicalized appears to catch herself making a reference to the gender thing and then tries
00:35:08.280
to completely whitewash her own reference here in sod 11 likely stopped communicating with other people
00:35:14.860
they began to withdraw and and change their appearance and um and i don't mean change their appearance like
00:35:22.620
you might uh here i understand uh at least early reporting is that we have someone um you know who
00:35:28.200
who is uh female um and but present but but came at presents as female but was male so i'm not talking
00:35:35.560
about that kind of change appearance i mean the clothing the dark the jackets and things like that
00:35:40.560
people begin to say hey what is going on with this person around me we're not doing a good job of
00:35:46.040
looking for that type of thing what a liar what a liar she's she did mean the trans thing she just
00:35:51.620
caught herself oh we have to look for people changing from tan jackets into black jackets that
00:35:56.460
was a bunch of bullshit what horseshit matt she caught herself because she had a moment of saying
00:36:01.460
what was real and then realized she couldn't say that on msnbc and andy mccabe doesn't even mention
00:36:06.860
it as a possible factor to be considered but the left wants to condemn the right for thoughts and prayers
00:36:12.320
and wanting to do nothing yeah it's it's completely ridiculous the good news though
00:36:21.160
is that well those two clips you played right they're uh all over x right now they're all over
00:36:27.540
social media and um andrew mccabe might not want to acknowledge it but a lot of people you know
00:36:33.000
millions of people on social media are happy to say well you don't want to acknowledge it but i'll let
00:36:36.780
you know the one thing you forgot so the good news is that this is the game these people want to play
00:36:42.140
um by by ignoring the obvious reality but uh it's it's not it's not working i mean it it maybe it
00:36:50.780
worked like five years ago but it's just not working anymore at all and uh and the trans agenda
00:36:57.740
in general is is losing in pretty much every facet of life i mean it's losing politically it's losing
00:37:04.780
culturally uh it's losing in the state houses it's losing in the courts it's losing it lost in the
00:37:10.820
supreme court it's losing everywhere so the team sanity as i've as i've come to call it is is is
00:37:16.920
winning on this issue and uh so when you want when you watch even a couple of those clips it's almost
00:37:22.180
it almost feels like a relic an ancient relic of you know the ancient times of 2021 uh when people
00:37:27.680
were still kind of gingerly stepping around this issue but we're not we're not doing that anymore at
00:37:32.780
least not in out out in the broader culture regular people aren't doing that but so that's
00:37:36.980
the good news but what i would warn everybody and you know not not to not to um you know not to be
00:37:45.940
alarmist but it's just true that uh well the trans radicals are losing but because they're losing i think
00:37:53.200
that they've never been more dangerous than they are right now i mean these people are they know they're
00:37:58.160
losing they have nothing left to lose and uh they know that their agenda is going down in flames and
00:38:03.340
so now i think we're getting to a point where they're going to try to take down as many normal
00:38:07.220
sane people as they can along along with them i mean they're desperate you know when you when you
00:38:11.840
get back someone into a corner and they're losing and it's out and it's gone it's like they can either
00:38:15.680
just give up and wave the white flag and say okay you got us it's over we're gonna stop um or that is
00:38:21.500
the moment when they become the most dangerous and the most desperate and i think that's the moment that's um
00:38:26.620
we're in right now which is only just uh all the more reason to be vigilant to be vigilant rather
00:38:31.780
be be on your guard um i hate to say it but i i hate i hate i hate that this is the case but it is
00:38:38.280
the case that even going to church you know you should be you should be carrying when you go to
00:38:42.880
church um if you're if your church doesn't have armed security i mean that's that's the place we're in
00:38:48.080
right now in the country you're you're 100 right and um that is a silver lining like when i think about
00:38:55.680
okay you know at least the the jig is up i mean unfortunately we still have bostock out there
00:39:01.060
and you know this is a supreme court decision thanks to neil gorsuch who sided with the libs to
00:39:06.560
give us a mandated right amongst trans people to be hired at your organization and so now you're
00:39:13.700
looking at this you're looking at the the series of mass shootings perpetrated by these people
00:39:18.980
suffering from trans ideology and then one comes to your place of business and unless you have another
00:39:24.820
very good reason not to hire them um they could sue you for not hiring them because of their trans
00:39:30.940
status that has to be undone the supreme court must take a fresh look at that decision and it has to be
00:39:37.960
reversed i mean it's a massive problem matt and it's still sitting on the books is good law
00:39:41.720
yeah which is why which is why i say they're losing uh in every in every area of of american life
00:39:51.660
and they are but it's not it's not over and there are still some some major problems even the issue of
00:39:57.200
uh of you know protecting kids from chemical castration mutilation um i think it's been it's
00:40:03.180
been one l after another for the trans side but that's not i mean there are still plenty of states
00:40:08.100
in this country where that's happening to kids so um so the the the fight continues but still i think
00:40:14.040
the good news is that and this is this even goes beyond politics it goes beyond the courts i think
00:40:19.700
that just in the culture generally people are just done with this i think five years ago a lot of
00:40:26.820
normal nice polite people kind of went along with it because they didn't want to be mean they didn't
00:40:31.980
want to be rude um and i think that was certainly a massive mistake but it was it it was it was rooted
00:40:37.480
in the fact that they're normal polite people um and but i think that those people now are done with
00:40:43.240
it and are not going to go along with it anymore and uh so that's that's been the real shift that
00:40:50.020
ultimately is the kind of the last nail in the coffin for the you think about it every day you
00:40:55.280
see something on x or elsewhere like did you vote for this on donald trump he's an authoritarian he's
00:41:00.800
doing unlawful power grabs and so on and so forth we were we were so close to having kamala harris
00:41:08.580
and tim waltz in there matt who would have exploded this gender ideology crap all over us this was tim
00:41:18.640
waltz at the democrats dnc summer meeting that they're having um in minneapolis this is him
00:41:24.940
on monday on monday a couple days before this happened this is the message he wanted to bring
00:41:30.840
to top democrats about his state his policies and what he thinks should happen in this country
00:41:35.160
top 12 minnesota ranks the highest per capita for being a safe haven for transgender individuals in
00:41:43.800
can i just say we can talk about economic growth and feeding children and growing the economy and
00:41:52.860
creating jobs simultaneously with talking about everybody's human rights matters and we shouldn't
00:41:57.600
you can do both when when he was running matt i did a whole story on the trans refuge law in
00:42:07.800
minnesota and how he if you won't confirm affirm your child's gender confusion they can go to minnesota
00:42:13.880
planned parenthood will sponsor them you can get like a third party to sponsor you and custody can
00:42:19.580
be wrested from the non-affirming parents both of them and placed temporarily in the state of
00:42:25.420
minnesota where then they can trans your child it's insane but it's there thanks to tim waltz who tied
00:42:32.060
who signed it into law we dodged such a bullet with this lunatic and his would-be boss kamala harris
00:42:41.000
who would have signed on to all of that so it's like i really don't have a ton of time for the people
00:42:46.620
who get upset about the fact that trump wants to make cities have fewer murders when we're looking at
00:42:52.500
that on the other side yeah yeah and that's and i i totally agree with him about having a fewer
00:43:01.660
murders in the cities too so but but also we did dodge a major bullet um but that also speaks that
00:43:10.060
that's that's you know we got to keep in mind that trump is in office till 2028 and we have another
00:43:16.020
election democrats are not going to be as much as i would love to think that democrats will be held out
00:43:19.820
of the white house uh from here until you know kingdom come i don't think that's going to be the
00:43:23.760
case we're going to end up with another democrat president um sooner sooner sooner later it's going
00:43:28.300
to happen which just means that we need um as many victories as we can get that that are are also
00:43:37.680
not things that can be overturned by the next democrat president in two seconds that's right a lot
00:43:43.860
of the executive orders are great you know i support a lot of these a lot of these executive orders
00:43:47.340
but the next democrat president could get in there and just write another executive order and get rid
00:43:51.080
of the last one uh which which so that means we need congress needs to step up and we also need
00:43:55.840
laws on some of this stuff why they're never going to do it why isn't there a law they tried you know
00:44:01.460
you saw they tried on the school's sports thing they tried on the keeping boys out of a girl's sports
00:44:06.460
and they failed they couldn't get cloture on it in the senate so they couldn't get a vote we need 60
00:44:11.420
republican seats in the senate and a republican house and president and then we can actually get that done
00:44:16.820
but until then that these democrats they couldn't even find an additional seven democrats so just
00:44:22.180
seven democrat senators to say i'll vote for cloture so we can have a vote on keeping boys out of sports
00:44:27.900
never mind this other stuff which they would consider even harder to pass you know stopping
00:44:32.980
the chemical castration should be easier but they would consider it harder
00:44:36.200
yeah why i i think actually stopping chemical castration would yeah it should be easier i think
00:44:45.040
i think it probably would be because it puts you know sports are one thing but putting democrats in
00:44:50.760
a position where they actually have to stand up and defend the chemical chemical castration of an
00:44:54.620
11 year old that's not an argument they none of them want to talk about that none of them want to
00:44:59.100
have that debate they want to stay there's a reason why when kamala harris was running for you know the
00:45:03.500
presidency she she did not she uh you know three four years ago she was talking about trans stuff all
00:45:09.200
the time trans rights waving the trans flag but during her presidential run she kind of stayed as
00:45:14.420
far away from it as she could because this is not a conversation they want to have and um one way or
00:45:20.360
another that that has to be we we need we need actual laws in place at the federal level um as well
00:45:29.620
uh or what i'm worried about is that although we're getting all these wins um maybe three four
00:45:34.960
years from now we're going to look back and all that stuff or most of it has been erased in the
00:45:40.100
blink of an eye it's terrifying i i've got to show you this clip it's kind of where a fair amount of
00:45:48.040
the press is going with it it was from joe scarborough this morning who is upset with the new york post
00:45:53.820
headline the headline reads transgender maniac uh minneapolis school shooter okay so they're
00:46:02.060
calling the shooter a transgender maniac there's absolutely nothing wrong with that it's factual
00:46:06.660
factually correct but here's joe scarborough's reaction to it i'll rev on the front of the new
00:46:13.120
york post they say demonic and then they it's transgender maniac shoots up catholic school um you know
00:46:20.560
they could very easily uh say time and time again um uh straight white maniac shoots up uh catholic
00:46:28.860
school or shoots up country music concert or shoots up this or shoots up that i mean i suppose some
00:46:35.320
people will try to distract from the ongoing mass slaughters that are going on of our children in
00:46:39.640
schools and churches and across the country of people that go to country music concerts of people
00:46:44.880
who are sitting in pews at churches and baptist churches and i mean we can go on and on and on so
00:46:50.040
again i i i suppose they can focus uh on on uh whether it was uh transgender or straight white male or
00:46:59.740
whatever it was fact is this is happening too much oh my god matt he he's acting like transgender
00:47:10.020
is the same kind of label as white or black and doesn't come with a whole host of mental health
00:47:19.080
implications right like he's trying to sort of suggest the post is a bunch of bigots because
00:47:25.060
that's they never say straight white male goes in and shoots up a high school by the way yes they do
00:47:29.760
but anyway it's it completely ignores that this is mental illness we're talking about which the left
00:47:36.140
has made an impossibility to discuss as you know you could get penalized on youtube for even saying that
00:47:40.840
yeah well it's like if uh if this was if this person was a diagnosed schizophrenic uh would it be
00:47:51.060
would it would it be irrelevant would it be strange to say a schizophrenic killer well no of course not
00:47:56.600
because that's that's a that's a driving factor but it's one of the reasons why this happened is
00:48:01.200
because uh to your point uh because the of this of this mental this mental illness and um and and
00:48:09.020
you know this transgenderism is also a mental illness and it was categorized that way by the
00:48:14.020
psychiatric industry for many years up until you know relatively recently so it is very relevant and
00:48:19.560
also by the way it the media is really happy to tell us if when a white person commits an act of
00:48:26.360
violence straight white male they're very happy to include that label uh even where it's not it's
00:48:33.820
actually not relevant actually doesn't have anything to do with it but in this case even where it's not
00:48:37.080
where it's not a white person remember cnn with that shooter even when it's not actually a white
00:48:42.500
person remember cnn with that shooter outside of the new york city um corporate office building a few
00:48:47.100
weeks ago saying possibly white was very clearly a black man but yeah they love to tell you it's a white
00:48:52.540
person whether it is or it isn't it's just this one thing they can't mention even though it's clearly
00:48:57.720
much more relevant than skin color is right and white is not white doesn't tell you the thing about
00:49:07.240
about trans is it not only tells you that this person has a mental illness uh by definition but it
00:49:13.780
tells you it it indicates a lot about ideology as well i mean the trans is also an ideology it's also of
00:49:20.960
course very left-wing coded and so this is someone who's attacking a church and so there's a lot that
00:49:27.660
you can you can glean from that uh but white is not an ideology it's also not a mental illness as much
00:49:33.900
as the media would like to say that it is and uh so that is a far less relevant detail that they still
00:49:39.760
are very happy to tell us even as you point out even when it's uh even when it's not true i just think
00:49:45.580
it's so clear this guy had mental health problems he was funneled into some system that probably just
00:49:50.520
affirmed affirmed affirmed from his mother to potentially a mental health counselor and by his
00:49:55.660
own words he didn't actually think he was trans later he got to the point of realizing what am i
00:50:00.400
doing here and i guarantee you no one had ever taken a serious look at why he was saying that he was
00:50:06.400
probably just affirmed especially in the state of minnesota and uh it was one of i'm sure a multitude
00:50:11.620
of factors that led to the mass murder we watched him commit yesterday matt walsh thank you
00:50:16.680
thanks so much for being here thanks megan one of the few people who has stood up from the beginning
00:50:22.520
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she generated with her disastrous promo tour around the release of their movie back in august 2024
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news broke in july that lively had begun sending subpoenas to podcasters and others who had said or
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of baldoni must be controlling our coverage in addition she suggested that i was getting paid
00:54:46.500
by baldoni or by his lawyer brian friedman for my anti-blake coverage demanding to see all documents
00:54:54.960
reflecting this alleged agreement or payment structure this is how narcissistic this woman is
00:55:02.060
she actually thinks i needed to get paid by baldoni's team to say negative things about her
00:55:09.040
news flash blake i came to those conclusions totally organically don't give away your power sweetheart
00:55:16.640
it was you it was all you who made me unable to stand you no man had anything to do with it
00:55:23.660
we fought her subpoena and won she backed down and has now missed the deadline to pursue her harassment of me
00:55:31.620
and my team any further sorry sweetheart you might want to try harder the next time
00:55:37.320
but in any event we gave her absolutely nothing not one document not one record not one communication
00:55:44.860
in no world would i ever ever allow my teams or my communications with each other or with our sources
00:55:53.080
for our news reporting to be turned over to a third party and certainly not to this nitwit
00:55:59.100
it's called the first amendment freedom of the press she has zero right to nose around in how i gather
00:56:06.740
news or in how my team and i prepare for any show we do pro tip we're extremely fair we are extremely
00:56:15.980
thorough factual and unsparing of any public figure and frankly of ourselves when it comes to our own
00:56:23.080
high standards but access to our actual communications it's a no you cannot have them
00:56:29.700
i am a member of the press you are a sad pathetic untalented narcissistic bully and i will never back down
00:56:36.520
to the likes of black blake lively never and her fight to harass me and my team ended in her getting
00:56:43.260
nothing nothing nothing however there are still many content creators whom we believe are actively
00:56:51.800
being bullied by blake lively to this day we were in the fortunate position of being able to hire a lawyer
00:56:58.000
to tell lively to pound sand most of the people she's harassing do not have those resources and she knows it
00:57:05.780
she's targeting them because she knows she can she's richer better connected with high-powered lawyers
00:57:13.680
who have nothing but time and billable hours on their hands thanks to ryan reynolds booze and acting
00:57:20.400
fortunes these two hollywood mega millionaires think nothing of harassing powerless people on social media
00:57:29.080
who have the temerity to write or speak negatively about queen blake remember that the next time you
00:57:37.740
see ryan reynolds trying to pawn him himself off as the super nice guy oh shucks as he tries to blow
00:57:44.720
apart the the lives of these content creators who happen to think she's a liar he's a bully too
00:57:51.860
so while we at the megan kelly show are not worried at all about blake lively's attempt to harass us
00:57:57.500
we are concerned about this ugly bully's efforts to embarrass other online creators with fewer
00:58:03.220
resources and we sincerely hope the judge in this case will send a message to lively and her legal team
00:58:09.880
that they have overreached it's ironic of course that in an effort to disprove that she's an unlikable
00:58:17.020
bully brat who did not deserve any of the negative press she received blake lively acts like an unlikable
00:58:23.080
bully brat who cannot believe any of that negative press could possibly be genuine so i will just say
00:58:29.060
this i came to this case entirely open-minded go back and look at the first interview i ever did
00:58:36.000
on this case of of brian friedman who is baldoni's lawyer it was probing i brazed many of her defenses we
00:58:45.180
talked about the me too stuff all of it and i underscore to the audience that i don't have a
00:58:49.760
a horse in this race at all i had nothing against her it was not until i saw how many allegations
00:58:56.780
she clearly made up and reached the independent conclusion as someone who practiced law for a
00:59:03.940
decade and has been in journalism for two more that she was glomming on to the me too movement to try to
00:59:09.380
save her reputation that i finally realized she's a terrible person then i started looking at clips
00:59:16.340
in particular the clips that had generated such negative coverage of her last summer
00:59:20.500
and saw that i was actually quite late to the blake lively is terrible party clips like this one where
00:59:27.320
she bullied a reporter with no power after the journalist had the nerve to compliment blake's
00:59:32.780
very obviously pregnant state first of all congrats on your little bump congrats on your little bump
00:59:40.680
did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you yeah yeah and you know working in digital
00:59:47.300
everyone wants to talk about the clothes but i wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes
00:59:50.540
i would yeah it's not just the women that that have the clothes but i feel like the women get the
00:59:57.100
so absurd so that the reporter wasn't pregnant she was belittled and she did feel insulted and she spoke
01:00:05.540
out about it after the fact but blake lively couldn't be asked about the very obvious baby bump
01:00:10.400
it's called being a reporter because let me tell you when you're a reporter and there's something
01:00:13.520
glaringly obvious about the person who you're interviewing whether it's multiple nose rings or a
01:00:18.860
large baby bump you call attention to it to get it out of the audience's mind so then you can move
01:00:25.540
forward and have a real exchange and as if blake lively thinks talking about fashion is insulting
01:00:29.980
or sexist she's constantly pushing it on us on her social media she's so proud of her stupid floral
01:00:35.660
theme she's always wearing she was pissed that she got asked about her baby bump by this reporter
01:00:40.840
because she gets pissed at everything she's always the victim even when she's the one with all the power
01:00:47.940
all the money and all the ability to walk out of the interview she didn't have to agree to it by the
01:00:52.720
way she was once again effing up her promo tour so since then blake lively's been accused by many
01:00:59.560
people of bullying them including a woman named barbara susman an assistant director who worked
01:01:05.640
with lively on the set of the movie a simple favor barbara posted online that lively quote was cruel
01:01:11.980
to many on that set adding quote i cried my way home many nights because you try so hard to please
01:01:18.780
someone who is never pleased and puts you down constantly think about this blake lively's a star of
01:01:24.740
this movie this woman was the fourth ad she has no power she's low low on the totem pole she's working
01:01:31.480
her way up in hollywood and blake lively treats her like shit the mark of one's character is how you can
01:01:37.380
treat someone who can do nothing for you nothing for you somebody very wise once told me that and it's
01:01:43.320
really true and barbara said blake lively's treatment of her was the quote reason i quit being an ad
01:01:49.120
and while she did not specifically name blake lively in her posts complaining she later linked
01:01:55.040
to a perez hilton youtube post in which he surmised that barbara was indeed talking about blake
01:01:59.980
then an intern who goes by the name of e wood on the show that made lively a star gossip girl
01:02:06.800
similarly came out publicly to say that there too lively was a bully to staff and nasty to her fans to
01:02:14.940
boot noting that unlike leighton meester who would pose with for photographs with adoring fans who
01:02:20.580
came by the set lively never would here's how he put it quote i noticed a stark contrast between the
01:02:26.740
lead actresses blake often displayed mean bullying behavior disguised as jokes very passive aggressive
01:02:33.840
on the other hand leighton was consistently lovely to everyone even fans he actually gave an interview
01:02:40.320
doubling down on those allegations thing is so i saw leighton and she was very nice i just say hi
01:02:46.560
and that's it and when i saw blake i say hi she didn't reply to me i think when she saw me it was
01:02:53.600
like i'm nothing you know so she's not going to acknowledge me you know i even trying to look at
01:03:00.680
me or anything my thing was like well that's strange because i was not acting like a fan you know i was
01:03:06.780
just like doing my job and because i just saw leighton before and just say hi and she was so i don't
01:03:14.060
know like her smile and just she was just amazing like she just made the experience better when i saw
01:03:21.840
blake she was just not nice was very passive aggressive behavior the way she was talking to
01:03:27.740
other people you know it was not nice i just pretend nothing happened and you know but she was very rude
01:03:33.980
and just the way she was talking to people around you know it was just like the kind of people just
01:03:39.740
don't want to be around that kind of person just the way she was acting you know uh towards people
01:03:46.740
just the way she was talking to people the way she was she was not welcoming you know and there was
01:03:52.980
like a major difference when i saw leighton that was on the colonel kurtz k-u-r-t-z youtube channel
01:04:00.480
so maybe e wood there and barbara and the journalist uh with the baby bump maybe they were
01:04:06.860
all part of the justin baldoni smear campaign efforts which i guess we're all on the payroll
01:04:14.640
they're on the payroll and i'm on the payroll is that the theory of her case that's really what
01:04:19.340
she's going to hang her hat on in court oh and candace owens which is bullshit like candace needs to be
01:04:25.060
paid by justin baldoni to have her opinions wake up right it's so diminishing she's smart
01:04:32.800
these guys who are commenting on blake are smart yours truly has a couple of nickels to rub together
01:04:39.280
in between my ears smart enough to realize she's a liar blake lively is a narcissistic liar bully brat
01:04:49.160
that's the truth in my opinion and now we know that she harassed justin baldoni too she threatened
01:04:56.640
him that her dragons ryan ryan reynolds and taylor swift she was the mother of dragons she said
01:05:03.260
were there to be her enforcers a claim that appears to have cost her her relationship with taylor who now
01:05:08.820
reportedly wants nothing to do with blake she tried to wrest control of the movie it ends with us
01:05:14.280
from justin from the editing to the wardrobe to the writing of the script and so on and when he
01:05:19.660
failed to comply with her demands completely and totally she ginned up clearly fake allegations
01:05:25.700
against him that he harassed her and turned the cast against him that's what she did she claimed his
01:05:32.160
best friend for example was parachuted in to play the part of the ob when her character gave birth
01:05:37.280
just so that he could get a look at her lady parts during the scene which she claimed were entirely
01:05:42.740
uncovered well that man a shakespearean actor has since gone on the record saying he's an acclaimed
01:05:47.560
actor with many credits and that miss lively was fully covered in biker shorts for the scene in
01:05:52.220
question she claimed justin and his co-producer would stop by her trailer unexpectedly and watch her
01:05:57.860
breastfeed her baby against her wishes she didn't want to be so exposed then baldoni produced a text
01:06:02.600
message of hers inviting them over while she was breastfeeding some something she clearly had no problem
01:06:07.960
with she claimed that that co-producer subjected her to watching porn on the set we later found out it
01:06:14.200
was a still shot that could have been on the cover of any magazine of his wife doing a bathtub birth of
01:06:20.720
their infant with absolutely nothing x-rated about it as a motivation for the scene that she was going to
01:06:27.700
do she's a liar it's obvious we could go on but you know the truth this is yet another entitled nasty
01:06:37.420
elitist hollywood snob who thinks she's untouchable to the point where not not unlike megan and harry
01:06:44.100
who have made a career themselves out of suing members of the press who write disparaging things
01:06:48.820
about them she believes that anyone who does not worship her must be on the payroll of her enemies well
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i'm not blake no one has to pay me one dime to say negative things about you i do it because i
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believe them and because you really are terrible joining me now mark iglarsh mark garagos and phil
01:07:10.900
holloway all contributors to mk true crime our new mk media podcast network show it's a it's a show of mk
01:07:18.880
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01:07:23.960
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youtube and go to mktruecrime.com to subscribe hi guys how's it going great megan why don't you
01:07:36.660
open up and tell us how you feel about live yeah really don't be the one thing that i thought of
01:07:42.740
megan as you were telling this story and in full disclosure as you disclose brian is your lawyer and
01:07:49.420
brian friedman is i count as one of my closest friends but one of the things that makes as i was
01:07:56.340
sitting here smiling as you were ranting um that makes me smile about this is people don't realize
01:08:03.680
how you came to have brian as your lawyer brian started off as representing somebody adverse to you
01:08:12.200
so it's not it's not like you came to this as oh this is my lawyer you know i'll go through wars
01:08:18.740
with him or i'm gonna i'm gonna uh burn my integrity for him you recognized his talent in a depot and said
01:08:27.600
hey i don't want to be adverse to this guy yeah i loved him right and one of my favorite stories and i
01:08:35.060
loved that and the idea to your point the idea that somehow you're going to just flush i mean people
01:08:42.560
don't remember you did practice law when i first met you you were a cub reporter but you had practiced
01:08:48.520
for 10 years and were a real lawyer you were a real lawyer at a real law firm actually too and this idea
01:08:55.440
that somehow you're going to flush all of that to be a mouthpiece or like a some kind of an influencer
01:09:01.780
is somewhat i get why you're disturbed yeah the the it's very insulting phil like to suggest that
01:09:08.880
i would first of all i i don't need money from justin baldoni okay let's just be clear i don't
01:09:14.340
need his money i don't think he has it to spare and i don't need his money and it's an insult to
01:09:19.260
me it's an insult to baldoni it's an insult to brian friedman it's an insult to candace it's an
01:09:23.840
insult to perez hilt like all these people i don't know perez in his you know situation but i i
01:09:28.940
firmly believe candace would never take money from somebody to do her reporting i would never
01:09:32.820
take money from somebody to do my reporting and this is her trying to smear to use her word
01:09:38.360
the reporters who are out there who aren't in love with her yeah i look in my opinion let's be very
01:09:46.200
clear i'm stating my opinion here uh this entire litigation train is probably being driven almost
01:09:54.660
exclusively by the attorneys who have a financial interest in the uh longevity and complexity of
01:10:02.620
this of this litigation it's almost like a class action case where the only people that benefit are
01:10:07.860
the lawyers and so look baldoni is probably being bled dry by the litigation costs and you know she's
01:10:14.240
the one that launched this whole thing with a in my opinion specious uh claim of sexual harassment
01:10:20.960
against him and now to see that she's uh extending this out and she's going after uh public figures
01:10:28.120
like you and others who have like you said come to their own conclusions about what they want to think
01:10:34.200
about her uh it just confirms my suspicions and look i'm like you there i have very low opinion of her
01:10:42.520
i i have never really known much about her until this litigation started but it didn't take me long to
01:10:49.020
reach my own conclusions and i had i didn't wasn't influenced by baldoni i'm influenced by her and
01:10:55.040
how he's behaving in this case it has nothing to do with him and if and honestly if there's anybody
01:11:01.040
that i care less about than blake lively it might be her husband ryan reynolds these people have zero
01:11:08.840
impact on my day-to-day life i don't even think about them unless or until somebody's talking about
01:11:14.260
this litigation uh in the media and so it just has this unseemly air about the whole thing and
01:11:21.180
quite frankly uh i'm ready for this litigation to be done with but apparently it's going to be dragged
01:11:26.220
out as long as it possibly can yeah friedman just took her deposition at the end of uh july or early
01:11:33.020
august mark you're you're known at least to me for defending the little guy and like people who don't
01:11:40.660
have a lot like you'll step in and help them that that's the thing that's really galling to me about
01:11:45.440
this is it's like one thing to come after me obviously i've got good lawyers i did not use
01:11:49.140
brian on this because he's already involved in this case but i did hire a lawyer and it did cost me
01:11:53.920
some money and we made sure that i was protected and with that we gave her the middle finger um
01:11:59.080
but there are you know social media influencers who are just starting out their online careers who have
01:12:06.640
no money and wouldn't know the first place to call to get a lawyer who could defend them on this kind
01:12:12.320
of a subpoena that comes from these powerful law firms who then are trying to bully them more than
01:12:17.800
one has gotten a motion to compel after they've said i'm not giving you this and by the way like
01:12:23.220
just the obvious infringement if just because you're a social media influence influencer doesn't
01:12:27.080
mean that you don't have a first amendment protection in dealing with sourcing which she's
01:12:31.100
trying to probe at she wants to know people's sources and see communications with sources
01:12:34.420
just the overreach and again the bullying nature of it is offensive this would be one of those cases
01:12:40.520
i'm glad you brought it up that i would say if somebody called me they didn't have the money i
01:12:44.460
would consider assisting them for free because it is distasteful now i don't feel the same way you
01:12:50.880
guys do as of yet i don't judge these people individually i don't know them at all um i also do not
01:12:57.160
know fully the merits of what she's alleging or not i can tell you however that some of the things
01:13:05.000
that she did allege we've discussed on this um program a number of times um how it's not necessarily
01:13:11.160
supported by the evidence and that all you need to do like like garagos and i do and phil does in in
01:13:17.160
the criminal arena is create reasonable doubt i don't know that you need to take every single thing
01:13:22.860
that she's alleging and disprove it a couple of things are clear or they're not you'll have the
01:13:28.720
footage of what occurred during shoots to undermine some of the things that she's alleging and i think
01:13:33.740
we've already done that on this show so my concern legally is that what's being alleged isn't necessarily
01:13:40.100
supported by the evidence final point then i want to move on mark garagos how many public figures have
01:13:46.660
you represented when you are famous people are going to write and think and feel negative things
01:13:55.520
about you it comes with the job the the nerve i mean in this way it really didn't remind me of harry
01:14:02.200
and megan to try to go around whack-a-mole and harass like these and i don't mean this insultingly but
01:14:09.620
like low level social media influencers some of whom had under 40 followers by dragging them into
01:14:17.180
court to try to intimidate them after uh into not saying negative things about you is as petty as it
01:14:24.440
gets the true stars know this and would never dream of bothering the press in this manner to try to
01:14:33.440
scare them into not saying anything about the star in the future so funny you say that because i've
01:14:40.940
been thinking about this case and when i heard phil talking about the lawyers i don't think this is as
01:14:46.820
much lawyer driven as pr flack driven and i mean that in a negative sense because pr flacks i think are
01:14:55.400
one of the the they're worse than pi lawyers so the the problem with this case and what's going on here
01:15:04.980
is precisely what you've said you've got people who are have very thin skin don't understand what i tell
01:15:11.820
most of my clients just keep your head down for 96 hours and somebody else is going to do something
01:15:16.940
more stupid and nobody's going to did and so just haters are going to hate forget about it you don't need
01:15:23.940
to engage unless and until somebody gets you know somebody gets traction and there's you know when
01:15:30.740
that happens you understand when there's a critical mass and then you take action but otherwise this is
01:15:37.340
so petty to your point and it's so driven by pr people and their kind of nonsense calculations that
01:15:45.800
that to me is what's driving this and not so much the lawyer megan can i ask you a question just to
01:15:51.420
keep it balanced okay at the risk of anybody yelling at me are you certain that nobody was paid
01:15:59.320
for their criticism and if you're not certain don't her lawyers have an obligation to explore
01:16:07.220
and potentially not necessarily you but others and see whether there's any evidence that corroborates
01:16:13.840
that this was exactly what they alleged no because it's throwing darts at a board it'd be one thing if
01:16:18.580
they had a basis for it someone gave them a tip that's my question no as far as i know there's zero
01:16:24.440
basis for this there's zero good faith basis to alleges you'd have to have a tip you know like hey i
01:16:30.420
heard it that you know joe schmo is getting paid by baldoni for the i don't as far as i am aware and
01:16:35.480
i've been following the coverage of this there's not even a hint of an allegation along those lines
01:16:38.580
go ahead mark i was just gonna say and by the way mark the it's a frustration do you know how many
01:16:44.940
times in a criminal defense case i've wanted to pierce source criticism because i know that it's
01:16:52.360
law enforcement who's doing it but you can't do it it's there it's a wall that's it sorry that's
01:16:58.880
the point's been made if there's no good faith basis to believe that someone's been paid then
01:17:02.740
yeah even if there is there's nothing you can do no because we're reporters like she wanted all you
01:17:09.600
know whenever i get ready for a show when i got ready for the show right i get a packet it's got a
01:17:13.860
bunch of information it's very thorough and detailed my team goes through document after
01:17:18.280
document should try to condense it so that we can do an orderly segment and you guys know because
01:17:22.700
when it's a legal segment we'll usually give it to the lawyers too so you have all the factual
01:17:26.480
background i have and uh it's i would i mean i'm proud of it i've i very few people are this thorough
01:17:32.760
in their preparation for their new show stuff pretty lengthy yeah it is so we we're very serious about
01:17:38.280
it and we try to make it fair little too lengthy out of every show that i've ever done over
01:17:43.600
whatever number of years your packets are yes away the best and i think anybody would have
01:17:49.320
i mean i thank you well they're certainly the thickest and they're the best too so but my point
01:17:54.420
is simply like okay so now if if what she basically wanted was for any segment that in which i spoke
01:18:00.700
about her like my interviews of brian friedman or what have you she wanted everything she wanted the
01:18:04.780
emails between me and my team she wanted the briefs or the the packets she like hell no the drafts of
01:18:10.760
the packets in my team you know our discussions about how it went absolutely not the nerve of
01:18:16.700
this woman to think that i would ever turn that over or allow my team to turn it over just shows
01:18:20.940
you the hubris that comes from being like this hollywood star like you know what you're up against
01:18:26.160
it now sweetheart because i will fight you i will fight i'll spend tons of money it'll be my pleasure
01:18:31.240
to spend tons of money fighting you and turning you into a loser which is what happened here
01:18:36.920
um okay moving on the brian kohlberger cases had some extraordinary reveals in the past week
01:18:43.860
including the body cam worn by the officers when they showed up at the king road house
01:18:50.840
right after they got called 9-1-1 got called by you recall it was the friend of um the surviving
01:18:58.420
roommate the surviving roommates were bethany funk and dylan mortensen they called a friend
01:19:02.240
he came over with uh his other friend and they discovered the bodies and got the two girls out
01:19:09.360
and then the cop showed up wearing body cam and for the first time we see one of the main
01:19:15.580
people in this case dylan mortensen who's the only one who laid eyes on the killer
01:19:19.820
um who we now know as brian kohlberger by his own admission moments after he committed the murders
01:19:25.620
he was walking out of their house and she opened her bedroom door for i think the fourth time
01:19:30.520
and laid eyes right on him and he kept going but she was the one who said he had bushy eyebrows
01:19:36.360
described his build and that he was wearing some sort of a mask so here she is on camera and then
01:19:40.920
she did not call the cops for another eight hours which became very controversial here she is on
01:19:45.500
camera talking to the cops in stop 33 what do you remember seeing what started i remember um i was in my
01:19:54.500
room and i was trying to go to bed and i heard kaylee who um ex-girlfriend all i heard was i heard her go
01:20:01.500
upstairs like okay i'm gonna go to sleep now because she's going upstairs and you heard who go upstairs
01:20:05.500
kaylee and the dog murphy and then ultimately her walking up i heard her scream and she ran upstairs
01:20:10.920
because she saw someone that's what i'm pretty sure she said she's once here and she screamed and
01:20:16.700
just ran downstairs and i called for her name but i jumped up and locked my door because i was so scared
01:20:21.520
um and then and i heard someone in the bathroom when i heard her crying and i heard some guys say
01:20:27.920
that you're gonna be okay i'm gonna help you and i kept calling her name but she wasn't answering
01:20:32.120
and then i opened the door for a second and i saw this guy and he was not insanely tall but he's
01:20:37.960
wearing all black and like this mask which is covering his forehead and his mouth and i locked the
01:20:43.080
door and i called and i didn't know what to do this was this was at four yes okay and then i just ran
01:20:48.860
down you left you left here i left my room down to she's that one with the white blinds at the
01:20:54.680
very bottom i ran down there and we talked and i just we just locked the door we didn't think
01:20:59.320
anything of it we're like nothing happens in moscow so we just like try to go to bed and then we woke
01:21:03.200
up and it was weird because none of our roommates were up and we called all of them they were not
01:21:07.560
waking up and to mean like this is weird so i called and come over and then that's when all this
01:21:14.040
happened phil holloway the thing that jumped out at me and that was how much more aware she was of
01:21:23.320
the danger than we were led to believe by the police affidavit you know which made it sound like
01:21:29.660
frozen frozen shock phase upon seeing someone in the house then kind of went catatonic for eight hours
01:21:36.960
then called police i'm not blaming dylan mortensen to be clear this poor girl's been through hell
01:21:42.120
but it was shocking to me to see how fearful she was the whole time and yet didn't call cops until
01:21:49.540
noon the next day and the murders and the encounter happened right after 4 a.m
01:21:54.320
yeah that that video and the others are you know some of the most gut-wrenching body camera videos
01:22:00.240
that that i've ever seen in my practice i and i'm sure that both marks here as well as you megan none of
01:22:06.300
us are strangers to looking at police body camera video but this stuff is so so compelling because
01:22:12.100
it illustrates the just enormous sadness of the of the whole case and for anyone who's been living
01:22:19.120
under a rock until this afternoon what we now know of course is that brian koburger's defense team
01:22:25.800
they're the ones that made a plea offer to the prosecutor to take the death penalty off the table
01:22:31.120
in exchange for a guilty plea and of course the prosecutor accepted koburger's offer and that's
01:22:37.160
where we are no wonder he pled guilty because he knew that when a jury saw that and some of the other
01:22:44.020
very compelling stuff they would have the emotional reaction that i know i'm having and i think most
01:22:49.720
people who have a soul have when they see this kind of thing um and it it just illustrates how
01:22:56.720
you know the the just the utter evilness of the case and i i keep going back and i hate to be
01:23:05.500
i keep going back why why is the death penalty off the table but i don't know i i again i don't blame
01:23:12.300
dylan mortensen even one bit for this crime or anything they were not savable the four victims were
01:23:18.100
not savable if she had called 9-1-1 you know five minutes after it doesn't seem like they would have
01:23:23.160
been saved they were so extremely attacked and brutalized but it is at odds somewhat garagos with
01:23:30.900
what we read in the police affidavit like i can't kind of get past the disparity well you know it's a
01:23:37.720
really good point but it also i think clarifies and amplifies something that i've always argued in a
01:23:45.680
different context there is no playbook there is no way that you are you can say people should react
01:23:53.400
you can have now a you can look at this after the fact and you can say she was shell-shocked or
01:24:00.940
there they didn't understand and when the enormity of it kind of clicked that then there was that
01:24:08.360
emotional reaction that's always been when people point to somebody and i've been on the receiving end
01:24:15.260
of a client who didn't act right i always my retort is i don't know how you're supposed to act i don't
01:24:22.620
know what was going through their minds at the point and how they had grappled with it and it works
01:24:28.600
for virtually everybody nobody nobody reacts the same way at any to any same stimuli you refer there
01:24:36.060
to scott peterson i assume because we've discussed that and i know you see i was not thinking i was not
01:24:40.780
thinking that megan but okay it also applies to him i think you'd say i knew you would default to that
01:24:46.600
okay wait i want to show you another clip and then i'll bring you in iglarsh here uh is more
01:24:52.080
of the police interviewing dylan mortensen in sat 35
01:24:55.340
i heard her scream and run like run as fast as she could downstairs and she said someone's here
01:25:01.460
and then i heard murphy barking a lot okay and then i heard her going to the i think it was the
01:25:09.220
bathroom and i remember her sobbing and i just remember hearing this guy's voice and i didn't
01:25:13.480
recognize saying you're going to be okay i'm going to help you but it wasn't like i don't know how to
01:25:17.380
explain it like it wasn't in like a nice way it was like a weird way like a weird tone so then i opened
01:25:23.320
up the door to look and that's when i saw the guy pass by he looked at me but he didn't come towards
01:25:27.820
me or say anything which was really confusing to me i don't i don't understand that and i'm pretty
01:25:32.660
sure he went out the side door and then i called and said she thought maybe there was a fire or like
01:25:40.380
a firework we didn't know we heard this she heard this loud noise and there was a light i guess um
01:25:46.040
and that's when i called me and i told her can i i need to come to your room because she was the only
01:25:50.460
one that was answering me so i just ran down there and for a second i stopped and i saw it zanna
01:25:55.580
passed out and i thought maybe she was just like sleeping or something i didn't think anything
01:25:59.400
because i was so out of it and i went into the room and we just fell asleep okay so there's a lot
01:26:05.600
in there mark iglars including she heard screaming she heard one of her roommates scream she heard
01:26:12.080
sobbing she saw that there was a strange man in the home wearing a mask she called the other roommate
01:26:18.800
they blank out the the name there but she's saying bethany the other surviving roommate she called
01:26:24.720
her she was scared enough she called the other surviving roommate who said maybe i i thought i
01:26:29.340
saw like a firework inside and then she saw zanna down post attack she said she thought she was passed
01:26:36.820
out or that she dylan was out of it i i guess i just don't i i still wrestle with how how could you
01:26:45.140
hear your roommates screaming and sobbing and see one down and not call sooner i'm not blaming i just
01:26:52.000
genuinely i'm searching megan okay so first i agree with phil this would have been a compelling witness
01:26:57.520
if this went to trial um and who knows what would have happened there but i start the analysis with
01:27:03.820
this could be my daughter i have i have three kids one just graduated from college two are in college
01:27:09.360
so this could be my daughter and so my daughter could be on megan kelly's show and all these networks
01:27:14.540
and now being analyzed by all of you substituting what you think you would have done in that scenario
01:27:20.620
and you're well intended but i sure know if this is my daughter or this girl in particular she's well
01:27:27.140
intended and she did the best she could at her level of awareness at that moment and just like
01:27:32.480
gergo said there's no typical way to act it's really problematic as a defense lawyer as a father as a
01:27:38.560
human being to continue to hear people say well they should have done this they could have done this
01:27:43.060
without ever really hearing what they were going through and or ever being in that particular
01:27:48.460
abhorrent scenario the worst moment of your life being questioned by law enforcement i praise her
01:27:55.180
for having the courage to to answer the questions to help out with this investigation and nothing that
01:28:00.320
she did was nefarious in any way but what about suggested it was scott peterson's nefarious no one's
01:28:07.000
suggesting it's nefarious so i and you can save your umbrage and outrage um no one's suggesting it is
01:28:12.120
there's a very odd situation here where she was way more upset and she heard a lot more than the
01:28:18.580
police had revealed to us in that affidavit she was much more aware that there was danger in the
01:28:23.060
house than what do you think ever been told before what do you think it was megan so it's a fair
01:28:26.780
question to say why is that why didn't the cops reveal more of that why did they try to keep that
01:28:33.120
out of the public eye and i'll tell you what that has done this is not a megan kelly theory nor do i
01:28:38.920
subscribe to it but you take 30 seconds and google her name online you've got half the internet thinking
01:28:44.780
she knew more that she's she wasn't in on it but that she knew more about it than was previously
01:28:50.440
revealed i don't believe that but i do think it's odd that the cops did not disclose any of that to us
01:28:56.080
and now we learn when the case is all over that she heard screaming and sobbing and ran for it and all
01:29:01.200
that go ahead phil police police reports are usually i mean i've never seen one in my entire
01:29:06.000
career that had uh everything that should have been in there in there and on the other hand as
01:29:11.140
when i put my former police officer hat on uh sometimes i don't want to put things in a written
01:29:16.300
narrative that i know is going to be part of the larger case file uh because i'll tell you why they
01:29:21.120
didn't put it in that to the public i accept that but i think they didn't put it in there because
01:29:24.580
it doesn't make dylan look very good because they they knew that people would say she was
01:29:29.060
she heard screaming she heard sobbing and she saw xanakronodal down on the floor she was scared
01:29:34.840
enough and then she laid eyes on an intruder she was scared enough to run to the other room
01:29:38.320
roommate's room and they still didn't call 911 for eight hours it's odd we are allowed to ask
01:29:45.460
questions about how that could happen it doesn't mean i'm certainly not saying she had anything to
01:29:49.220
do with it it's a very odd thing that's just been revealed about this case and we've been covering
01:29:53.820
this case closely so i make no apologies for discussing it all right we're gonna move on to the
01:29:58.020
yeah go ahead i'm just gonna say i think both of you're right i think phil is right when he says
01:30:03.200
from the police officer perspective they're not going to put something in there that is going to
01:30:07.680
undercut somebody who's in her position and i think from your standpoint absolutely it's odd and that
01:30:13.900
probably supports what phil did a savvy police officer knows why am i going to highlight this for a
01:30:20.460
defense lawyer to point out the fact that she should have done it and in her defense who knows what went
01:30:26.020
through her mind and whether she had some other issue uh the night before i don't necessarily went
01:30:32.600
into shock or something there is an explanation there that we don't have that would help allay
01:30:38.980
everyone's concerns and megan i'm not blaming you for asking the question i just i'm frustrated because
01:30:43.140
then the internet and everybody then just criticizes this poor young girl in the worst state but by the
01:30:50.100
way megan asked the same question any lawyer would and i understand megan's okay with it i'm all right
01:30:55.100
with megan asking the question well i'll say this i think she's also disadvantaged here because
01:31:00.060
clearly when she's being interviewed by the cop she now knows they're dead and so you know in the
01:31:07.560
moment she hears the stuff she's confused she doesn't know you know you're you're not thinking
01:31:12.000
everyone's dead in my home you know you're thinking oh i'm being an alarmist i'm sure it's fine it's a
01:31:16.920
college house people are in and out of it who knows whether somebody's hooking up right so now
01:31:22.120
it's the next morning and the slow build has crescendoed to where like the friend comes over
01:31:27.660
he rushes them out of the house they call the cops the cops get there they she hears them talking about
01:31:31.560
four bodies i mean you know that's the state in which they finally got to her to for some questions
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we'll drop a sod in here i just think it's very relevant maybe you want to object because it's too
01:36:19.920
relevant too powerful and too damaging to your client maybe that's why it's just speculation i
01:36:24.840
mean it you know it can be damaging but the jury's going to mistake that for something else something
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actual real evidence which they just haven't shown at this point especially with that witness we are
01:36:34.120
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real analysis from actual trial lawyers like these guys thanks all uh for coming back on all right so
01:37:11.920
in a nutshell this case is about we talked about this with dave erenberg and others not long ago
01:37:16.780
but he knew the the victim um so it's kind of interesting dan markell it was about a a guy who
01:37:23.540
lived in florida who was married his name was dan he was married to wendy they got a divorce wendy
01:37:27.860
really wanted to move to a different part of florida south florida or she was there up in
01:37:32.280
tallahassee and she wanted to move down south to like a miami area and dan did not want her to go
01:37:36.820
because they have two kids and he wanted to be with his kids and her parents were down there including
01:37:41.560
her mother donna and donna really wanted the grandkids by her next thing you know dan winds
01:37:46.460
up dead no bueno turns out there were two hit men who were hired to do the job and um it was a woman
01:37:56.620
who hired them that woman and the hit men have all been convicted that woman's connection to the
01:38:03.620
family was she had worked for remember wendy is the one who's in the divorce with the decedent the
01:38:11.180
victim wendy's brother wendy's brother employed the woman who hired the hit men so the allegation is
01:38:18.800
that wendy's brother is guilty by the way he went to jail the hit man hit men are guilty they went to
01:38:25.460
jail and so is the woman who worked for the brother who found the hit men all in jail however the
01:38:32.080
prosecution alleges like the kingpin or pins queen pins behind the whole thing remain free and they're
01:38:40.160
starting with the grandma which is of the two little boys which is wendy's mom donna and wendy could be
01:38:47.820
going down soon too we'll get to that but first we're starting with donna who's on trial now in
01:38:53.840
florida where mark eichlarsh is and thanks to the florida sunshine law we get to see it all i just want
01:39:01.380
to show the audience a couple things donna adelson is sitting there at at defense table crying she's doing
01:39:09.280
a lot of crying all right now maybe maybe there is crying in criminal defense but this judge does not
01:39:16.200
seem to want it eichlarsh i'm just going to show a little bit of the crying in uh sat 37
01:39:20.860
why did you take this photograph for the darkened area on his forearm why was that of significance
01:39:28.660
uh that is consistent with stippling what is stippling stippling is being close contact to
01:39:36.240
a firearm that was discharged and it's going to be the unburnt gunpowder and gases that leave the
01:39:44.560
barrel of a gun at a high velocity and it will tattoo or stain the skin states exhibit 24 please just to
01:39:51.740
let the audience know that we can wrap that we showed um donna adelson with her eyes closed shaking her
01:39:58.040
head putting her hand up over her mouth like no no she's clearly either crying or fake crying
01:40:02.420
and um they were describing the victim's injuries which according to the prosecution she caused so
01:40:08.580
the crying seems a little off and the judge judge everett everett did not like it sat 38
01:40:16.380
this is adelson when the testimony is occurring or the evidence i know you may have a natural reaction
01:40:24.240
but as best possible you need to control your reactions concerning any head movements any
01:40:31.000
expressions of disagreement or any emotional outburst the jury must decide this matter on the
01:40:36.960
merits on the evidence do you understand this very well i do not wish to do this in front of the jurors
01:40:44.220
at all but it's very important that you are able to control your emotions do you understand what i'm saying
01:40:49.300
he gave her the stop crying or i'll give you something to cry about line that my mom used to
01:40:55.880
give me in the 1970s yeah well worth it i mean listen the trials are not necessarily about the truth
01:41:02.020
trials are about theater and if you can have your client testify without testifying what she's doing
01:41:08.480
is she's saying i feel so horrible this is horrible what happened to my brother-in-law here's the problem
01:41:14.740
i would nudge her and say stop son-in-law this is this is not the message that you want to convey
01:41:20.780
no one's buying it we know the facts show that you didn't like him you were talking crap about him
01:41:28.920
he then went to court and there was a pending motion where he was trying to keep the kids from her
01:41:34.480
so she didn't like him stop acting like you're sad that he's gone you're thrilled
01:41:40.480
now whether you're paid meryl it's not selling different issue right no not a good act and it
01:41:46.680
doesn't make sense and it doesn't fit the evidence crocodile here is here's one other thing robert
01:41:52.180
adelson is not that son there's robert there's uh wendy and then there's the son i'm forgetting his
01:41:59.520
first name yeah then there's then there's charlie charlie's the one who's in jail for finding the
01:42:06.940
woman who found the hitman but there's the estranged son robert who parachutes into the case
01:42:12.440
and gives testimony for the prosecution talking about his discussion with his mother the defendant
01:42:20.020
donna who is not really all that interested in finding her son-in-law dan's killer listen here
01:42:26.860
sat 46 did donna adelson seem curious about who killed dan markell no did she was there a complete
01:42:37.340
lack of curiosity yeah nobody seemed curious um did you actually ever ask her like after the murder
01:42:46.520
like hey like what do you think happened what do you yeah and you know the conversations were
01:42:53.240
kind of rerouted or that was certainly discouraged and it was probably like um maybe sometime like
01:43:00.280
mid-august you know when i finally had a chance to ask and say you know what is going on this was not
01:43:05.320
you know a small event this was getting a lot of notoriety um and i said you know what do you guys
01:43:10.800
think happened um and she had said you know i don't know and i don't care it doesn't concern me
01:43:17.060
oh boy all right well those tears those tears make sense then really come on she felt deeply
01:43:25.840
garicos that was that was meaningful getting the other brother that's a win for the prosecution
01:43:30.620
yeah but um i i'm going to dial back for a second i have been in a courtroom i can't tell you how many
01:43:39.620
times countless times where i have reacted myself even though i counseled the client not to
01:43:46.060
where i'll either roll my eyes or i'll look like oh come on something like that i understand from a
01:43:52.980
judge's standpoint i thought his admonition there to her was completely appropriate because he said
01:43:58.800
yeah it was gentle yes gentle he didn't i assume that was not in front of the jury i don't know
01:44:04.760
wasn't no it wasn't um i i'm not as hard-boiled as all of you are if somebody may not have particularly
01:44:14.340
liked what they were doing but reacts to being confronted with it i think there is an innocent
01:44:20.960
explanation for that and she could be emotional and i don't know i think i speak for you when i say
01:44:26.720
we object to being called hard-boiled i think we are we are soft-boiled we're soft-boiled maybe
01:44:32.300
occasionally scrambled so garagos does not think the judge was being particularly hard on her it's fine
01:44:38.800
okay we moved on but the prosecution is bit by bit making its case that that donna adelson while
01:44:45.560
she sits there oh boohoo is really a cold-blooded killer who thought nothing of taking out her son-in-law
01:44:51.560
dan just so she could get the grandkids and her daughter wendy to come live with her mark garagos
01:44:56.480
i'll let you make a point on that well just make i'll make one point um and my father used to say
01:45:04.500
if they've got a great case they want state prison if they've got no case they want a year in jail
01:45:12.980
if they've if you're factually innocent they offer you time served what's my point they offered her
01:45:19.060
time served in this case how how how much do you think they really believe in their case if they're
01:45:25.980
offering her time served and she turned it down i heard that wasn't true mark i don't know that that's
01:45:30.560
i'm not sure that's unconfirmed i've heard denied it the opposite and that doesn't make sense
01:45:35.040
well i know it doesn't make sense but a lot of this case doesn't make sense and i've heard the
01:45:40.780
exact opposite that they did make that offer well here's the thing you you pissed him off garagos
01:45:46.520
with that with the hard-boiled remark that you started it and now you're gonna have to deal
01:45:51.000
with it just like i've had to deal with it for 20 years time served in a murder case raw so
01:45:55.920
no one's offering yeah well look here's here's the thing they've well they've they've explicitly
01:46:01.000
denied that they made that offer but you know who knows but here's here's the big problem that i see
01:46:06.340
with the case uh the defense in my opinion is making a mistake by not leaning into something known as
01:46:14.940
being an accessory after the fact the charging document the indictment in this case charges her
01:46:20.380
with soliciting the murder with uh entering into a conspiracy for the murder and as a party to the
01:46:26.900
crime or a conspirator being a principal so she's charged with literally pulling the trigger although
01:46:31.700
it's not exactly what it means so they didn't charge her with any crimes uh pertaining to anything
01:46:37.460
she may have done to conceal a conspiracy after the fact which is what the evidence right now i think
01:46:44.380
is very compelling she was in it up to her eyeballs we're starting to see through some wiretaps and
01:46:50.600
conversations some other things we're starting to see some evidence that may suggest that she knew about
01:46:55.860
it and participated in it was part of the conspiracy beforehand but the prosecutor because they didn't charge
01:47:01.940
her with any after the fact type of crimes uh leaves open the possibility for the defense to say you know
01:47:08.280
what they're right our client donna was in it up to her eyeballs she's guilty of of helping her kids
01:47:15.360
kind of cover up this thing but she's not charged with that so you've got to find her not guilty
01:47:20.440
uh there is a you know a method to what the prosecution is doing they're working their way
01:47:26.100
backwards to her they got the two hit men they got catherine mcbenoit who is the go-between which by
01:47:31.620
the way she didn't actually work for charlie she was well she worked under charlie in a sense but
01:47:36.860
she wasn't working for charlie she was she was yeah but but but donna was the one writing the
01:47:43.140
checks donna was the one writing the checks for the business uh even though bill is establishing a
01:47:48.620
chicken or egg scenario yeah so they're going backwards and and now they you know they're they
01:47:53.560
got the easier people and now they're working on donna which is a little bit uh tougher not to
01:47:58.520
crack and then if they can get donna i think they're going to go to uh wendy next that's who they want
01:48:05.360
phil just did something that the defense didn't do an opening he gave a theory now listen i don't
01:48:12.000
like to be hard on defense lawyers but i will likely play the defense opening in my law school class next
01:48:18.300
wednesday and say okay you see what she did don't do that and by that i mean there was such a lack of
01:48:26.600
passion for every action there's a reaction if you really believe that your client is snow white
01:48:31.920
innocent you're being paid to say that she is then get up there and feel it so what's going on
01:48:37.600
is your client is being stripped of her liberty while she was going to vacation or relocate to a
01:48:42.840
to a nice place and would have come back if needed but whatever whatever theory you advance for that
01:48:48.340
she was fleeing for the members of the audience who haven't followed she was fleeing and got caught by
01:48:52.360
cops but but that she's innocent and look what they're doing and how dare they do that i know when
01:48:57.420
both these guys that i'm on the panel with get up there and defend someone they have the passion and
01:49:02.500
energy that mirrors the feeling inside that that is an innocent person and they should never be there
01:49:08.740
that woman got up there and with utmost love and respect this former judge who left in disgrace i don't
01:49:13.840
know exactly why but this former judge got up there and it did not seem to match the energy that you
01:49:19.780
should have when you have an innocent client nope well here's here's what they are doing so they're
01:49:24.940
the defense is interestingly this is the defense this is donna seeming to point to wendy like they
01:49:32.680
actually do seem to be pointing to the daughter wendy which is new because so far they've been a united
01:49:37.080
front there's been no daylight between donna the grandma and wendy the mother of the two little
01:49:43.580
children who you know is we believe possibly behind this thing though hasn't been charged in any way
01:49:48.900
um and so so far they've been united but in this trial now we're seeing as donna's really getting
01:49:54.860
you know her freedom questioned here and possibly on the line that her defense lawyers are going
01:49:59.960
after wendy here's a taste of that um because wendy did take the stand donna has not yet taken the
01:50:05.160
stand but the daughter wendy she took the stand and here's top 42 he's not here to give them advice
01:50:11.080
he is not he can't come to any of their functions sports anything else correct they're not eating kosher
01:50:18.320
like they would have with their father they are not they don't have him at all they don't have him
01:50:24.300
in their lives day to day no because on july the 18th of 2014 he was brutally murdered in his driveway
01:50:30.840
isn't that true that is true and you testified on direct that anybody in your family that had
01:50:36.800
anything to do with it should be held responsible isn't that correct yes and that includes you doesn't
01:50:42.180
anyone anyone who's responsible that's the defense that's not the prosecution that's the defense going
01:50:49.460
after her yeah so what you know in other words well no it's what is that really yeah but what is
01:50:54.720
that gonna throw the daughter wendy down the river well of course first of all they haven't spoken in
01:50:59.560
two years secondly she's looking at the rest of her life in prison she's gonna do whatever she can
01:51:05.120
and later say by the way no offense i needed to do that to get out of this thing so that's that's not
01:51:09.600
abnormal up the river under a down under a bus that's how you throw people you under the bus
01:51:16.360
and up the river i don't know what kind of an egg that makes her i know it's hard it's hard okay
01:51:24.240
wait i want to play another one here because um there is let's see this is the prosecution now they
01:51:30.320
had a shot at wendy too and this was sought 40 take a listen here at the time of dan markell's murder
01:51:38.460
was the defendant your mother very angry at dan markell
01:51:42.140
before he died yes ma'am yes and you hated him too right at certain points i was very frustrated
01:51:56.860
i don't remember saying that tab five looks like i made that analogy
01:52:04.620
danny is an std one wrong mistake marrying him and this will never go away is that what you said
01:52:11.900
i did and did you share that kind of sentiment with your mother
01:52:14.620
i don't remember ever saying that so i don't think it's something i said very often did you ever refer
01:52:21.100
to your ex-husband as the dark lord i don't remember saying that but i certainly might have
01:52:28.540
did you refer to your ex-husband as gibbers i did what is the meaning of gibbers
01:52:35.420
gibbers was just a silly name that a friend helped me come up with to basically make him feel less scary
01:52:44.860
it was nonsense all right so there you have the prosecution trying to get wendy on record
01:52:53.180
with all the terrible things she said about dan is that the worst thing you've ever heard in a divorce
01:52:59.820
he's an std that is that is literally so tame in most divorces i can't even tell you he's because
01:53:06.860
there was a lot more than that mark i mean what a joke those two the mother and that daughter
01:53:11.580
spent hours trashing that guy come on i know the culture i know what's going on std was the nicest
01:53:18.060
thing she said about him it's precisely why i don't do family law it's a right name calling yelling
01:53:24.700
and people on their worst behavior so well i see that as a twofer because that's the prosecution
01:53:29.500
questioning is you both get wendy to say she thought he was a jerk and you get her to say i told my mom i
01:53:34.780
thought he was a jerk so everybody was getting the same messaging around him last one uh one of the two
01:53:40.940
guys who actually committed the murder luis riviera he testified and this is the defense again the
01:53:47.580
defense for donna questioning him in sat 39 then i said if you would put the number five next to the
01:53:54.780
lady that wanted the man killed and did you do that yes i did and was that with wendy adelson yes i did
01:54:01.340
then i ask you if the two people on the top of the page who have uh their pictures there and the names
01:54:07.180
donald i mean uh donna edelson and harvey edelson you see those on the top yes ma'am i ask you as
01:54:14.060
far as you know were they involved in any of this and you said no correct yes ma'am so i ask you to
01:54:18.540
put x's next to the people who on that page were not involved in this yes ma'am and you did that yes i did
01:54:27.340
so there he is phil saying that donna was not involved so i got some frustration with that bit of
01:54:33.500
that testimony because this guy rivera in the past he's always referred to as the lady okay back in
01:54:40.220
tallahassee who you know who didn't want the kids to go to south florida he's never identified that
01:54:46.060
person as being wendy and so he also has stated many times that you know he wasn't personally in
01:54:53.500
communication with anybody other than his uh the other hit man who was in touch with katie mcbanlaw the
01:55:00.220
go-between uh and so i have a problem with how he knows this information it looks like it was wendy
01:55:08.060
wendy's the one who wanted dan killed yeah it looks like he's speculating it looks like he might be uh
01:55:13.820
guessing a little bit we don't know the basis of that knowledge and none of the lawyers the
01:55:18.300
prosecutors didn't uh redirect him on that they didn't drill down and try to say okay is it possible
01:55:24.140
you could be wrong about her what is the basis of this knowledge and there was it was just kind of
01:55:29.100
left hanging out there so i was very frustrated just to be clear i'm going to give you the floor
01:55:32.460
eiglars but just to be clear again for the audience this is the defense of donna pointing the finger
01:55:37.180
through the actual hitman at someone else namely wendy who's donna's daughter like wendy's the one who
01:55:42.940
wanted this murder not donna she was just the grandma go ahead eiglars phil is absolutely right
01:55:48.780
the prosecution should have really gotten in there to explain you don't know who paid this whole thing
01:55:55.340
and and what donna's involvement was but you've got to admit and this is probably probably part of
01:56:01.180
phil's frustration it was very effective you know as much as i criticized that opening and the lack of
01:56:06.860
passion this was very effective to have someone a main player in here cross off donna as one of the
01:56:14.540
persons involved in this scheme granted it's got a lot of holes swiss cheese but it's great theatrics it's
01:56:21.020
great for court reasonable doubt i mean it's got two reasonable interpretations one that points
01:56:27.260
towards innocence yes he had strong how how without a foundation that he knows but then nobody questioned
01:56:35.500
that that's the point no right but you can make it you can make the point in closing megan a lot of
01:56:40.380
jurors are not very bright a lot of them are not they need to be dragged right to that water go ahead
01:56:45.340
right ones might say why didn't they drill down on it what was what were they right i think they
01:56:51.340
called him by surprise i guess yeah i don't think they were ready for it but they should have been
01:56:55.900
ready for it because there was a you know they in florida unlike uh many states like in georgia where
01:57:01.260
i practice we don't have the ability to take pretrial depositions in criminal cases in florida they
01:57:06.620
went down and deposed this guy several months ago and they created their own chart and says okay uh cross
01:57:12.540
out anybody that wasn't involved and they and he apparently put an x over uh donna adelson and he
01:57:18.780
he went all in on it being wendy as being the mastermind again i i don't know what caused his
01:57:25.420
his change in testimony from being the lady to specifically naming wendy but hopefully the
01:57:31.980
prosecution will bring that back it's something i think they need to clean up before closing argument
01:57:36.140
all right so let me before i let you go how's it going like do we think this is inching toward a
01:57:41.740
conviction or no let's go down the line too early too early i mean there's enough there there's a lot
01:57:46.700
of little you know uh motive a lot of good motive here but we're not there the prosecution rested their
01:57:52.380
case today i would be yelling in spite of me believing that she's guilty that that an acquittal is is
01:57:57.420
required by law okay how about you gargos i i'm not in that courtroom and like i say all trials are
01:58:06.220
won or lost in jury selection so i would have to see the jurors but i will tell you if i thought
01:58:13.180
that i had the jury that i wanted if i had a couple of people and all you need is one or two who are not
01:58:19.660
going to be buying what the prosecution's selling because they've been through a bad divorce or they've
01:58:24.780
had kind of animus within their family and i heard that um uh so-called hit man whatever you want to call
01:58:32.060
him uh say that it wasn't her i don't know how you lose that case if you're the defense
01:58:37.980
oh i know phil holloway i know how well so they're gonna lose it because they haven't presented the rest
01:58:42.940
of their case yet which includes very compelling video evidence of a not so frail looking donna
01:58:50.540
adelson trying to get on a jet going to vietnam which is a country that she's on wiretaps talking about
01:58:58.060
doesn't have an extradition treaty and by the way it was a one-way ticket so they've got that
01:59:03.260
which is consciousness of guilt they're gonna they're gonna link that back up to a lot of the
01:59:07.500
other incriminating statements on the wiretap and let's just face it uh the jury knows that she's not a
01:59:14.780
the mother of the year already so when you factor all that in together i think they're going to convict
01:59:19.820
her because it's going to be her own words and her own conduct uh when it comes to flight uh in the
01:59:25.340
the face of accusation and the video is going to get her and by the way real quick plug as far as
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