The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Ignores Shooter Reality, Megyn Reveals Blake Lively Subpoena, and Adelson on Trial, with Matt Walsh, Eiglarsh, Geragos, Holloway

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00:01:00.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:12.340 Hey, everyone.

00:01:13.340 I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.120 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.400 We've got a big Kelly's court coming up where I'll be breaking some news about Blake Lively and yours truly.

00:01:24.540 But first, the left's stunning reaction to yesterday's horrifying shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school's first mass of the year.

00:01:33.640 The 23-year-old shooter, a man pretending to be a woman who identified as transgender, shot and killed an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old.

00:01:42.260 14 other kids were wounded, as were three adults who are in their 80s.

00:01:47.180 All of the wounded, all of the wounded, miraculously, I mean, truly miraculously, are expected to survive.

00:01:55.780 I mean, thank God.

00:01:58.100 Thank God.

00:01:58.980 I mean, I know I'm feeling, as you are, just incredibly so sad for the parents of that little 8-year-old and that little 10-year-old and would do anything to help them.

00:02:11.060 But I'm also so relieved that the wounds all the other children and the elderly people suffered have turned out not to be fatal.

00:02:22.840 You just, you look for the silver linings you can find in these situations.

00:02:28.260 FBI Director Cash Patel says the Bureau is investigating this shooting as an act of domestic terrorism and as a hate crime targeting Catholics.

00:02:36.740 And in the aftermath, Minneapolis Democrat mayor made sure his focus was on protecting not children, not Catholics, but the trans community.

00:02:49.660 Here he is talking to a nodding Aaron Burnett on CNN last night.

00:02:54.020 Watch.

00:02:55.380 Obviously, I've heard about the rhetoric and the narrative that is being pushed out.

00:02:59.540 But here's the thing, anybody that is going to use this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any community has lost touch with a common humanity.

00:03:12.960 We've got to be operating not out of hate for any group, but out of a love for our children.

00:03:20.320 That's where the focus needs to be right now.

00:03:22.380 A love for our kids, seeing these kids, not just as somebody else's kids, this horrific thing happened, but what if it was our own?

00:03:31.320 How would we feel then?

00:03:32.480 So, look, we need to be standing up for every community out there, a Catholic community, too, by the way.

00:03:40.100 He doesn't know anything.

00:03:42.080 He doesn't know anything.

00:03:45.540 Hate can't be operating out of hate for the trans community.

00:03:48.780 It's not about hating the trans community.

00:03:50.840 It's about being honest about what was wrong with this obviously extremely ill, mentally ill man who picked up his guns, three of them to be exact, and shot a bunch of kids.

00:04:04.660 It's not about hate.

00:04:05.940 How dare you try to turn this into a pro-LGBTQ moment? 1.00

00:04:10.900 We have to get really honest about what was wrong with this shooter.

00:04:15.200 And, P.S., it's the same thing that's been wrong with shooters in a multitude of mass shootings now, which your side, mayor, refuses to acknowledge.

00:04:25.240 What is this guy, like 29, 32 at most?

00:04:29.520 Where were you during Sandy Hook?

00:04:31.100 Because I don't remember you out there, Mr. Mayor.

00:04:33.640 Some of us were with parents.

00:04:36.560 We're at these scenes moments after the gunfire went off.

00:04:40.080 You've got, yes, one terrible tragedy in your community.

00:04:43.620 It's about a lot more than your alleged hate for certain communities.

00:04:48.960 It's not about that at all.

00:04:50.460 It's about calling a spade a spade.

00:04:52.840 It's infuriating watching that guy.

00:04:56.420 I mean, also, like, oh, and the Catholic community, by the way.

00:04:59.980 Oh, like, that's an afterthought.

00:05:01.300 Like, yeah, Catholics.

00:05:02.420 Yeah, we're realized.

00:05:03.720 We know that.

00:05:05.220 Catholics were targeted.

00:05:05.980 Thanks for the nod of the head.

00:05:08.120 We really appreciate you deigning to acknowledge that Catholics have been targeted here.

00:05:13.000 I mean, literally putting the group that was the targeted, chosen victims of the shooting as like an afterthought.

00:05:20.480 What this is really about is how mean we are to trans people.

00:05:26.020 When we were planning today's show, I knew there was nobody better to start it with than Matt Walsh.

00:05:30.620 He's host of the Matt Walsh Show on The Daily Wire.

00:05:33.160 He's here with us today.

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00:06:40.460 Matt, thanks so much for being here.

00:06:43.640 It's infuriating listening to that guy.

00:06:45.580 Absolutely maddening.

00:06:47.600 Yeah, I mean, it is, and you expect nothing less from this guy.

00:06:52.120 I mean, remember, this is the mayor, Jacob Fry, who wept at the golden casket of George Floyd back in 2020.

00:06:58.060 So this guy is just a completely pathetic piece of garbage.

00:07:02.440 But you're exactly right that it's way past time that we start being honest about all this.

00:07:09.720 And that includes the fact that trans violence is not, this is not an aberration.

00:07:17.280 You know, if it's seen, now, of course, the media plays this game all the time where they want us to deny the realities in front of our face.

00:07:22.780 And when it comes to transgenderism in particular, that's, of course, been the game for a long time. 0.94

00:07:26.440 But it certainly seems as though very often these days when there's a mass shooting, and then we find out a little bit more about the killer,

00:07:35.680 we find out that, oh, they've got the she-her pronouns, they-them, non-binary, trans.

00:07:40.300 It certainly seems like that is a big part of the story very often.

00:07:45.120 And it is, and that's what the stats bear out.

00:07:46.800 And also keep something else in mind, that there's no official database of trans violence that any government entity keeps.

00:07:55.280 Probably there should be now.

00:07:56.940 Probably we need that database.

00:07:58.640 But there isn't one, which only means that, like, we only find out about the trans connection to violence when it's one of these big, huge mass shootings

00:08:08.920 that the media has to talk about because they have no choice because of the bloodshed.

00:08:14.020 But there are many other cases of violence, assaults, these sorts of things where maybe nobody is killed.

00:08:21.720 It's not really reported, certainly not on the national scale.

00:08:25.380 And so how often is there a trans connection there?

00:08:28.880 We don't know exactly.

00:08:30.300 But my only point is that I think the problem is even worse than any of us realize.

00:08:35.940 Makes perfect sense because you look at what's happening today in the media,

00:08:38.980 and the New York Times does a whole article about the shooter.

00:08:43.080 And the only mention of the gender identity is in the context of pointing out conservatives are attacking it,

00:08:51.040 not even considered as something we should be looking at and trying to figure out what was wrong with this shooter's head.

00:08:58.020 CNN, an article entitled How the Absolutely Incomprehensible Shooting Unfolded by Chelsea Bailey,

00:09:03.920 makes no mention of the shooter's gender identity.

00:09:06.700 USA Today doesn't mention the shooter's gender identity at all.

00:09:10.940 Hat tip to Tom Bevin of Real Clear Politics for pointing these out on X today.

00:09:15.780 They're completely whitewashing it like it's a non-factor map, Matt.

00:09:19.640 Yeah, and they don't want to have the conversation.

00:09:24.980 And by the way, the fact that the person is trans, this is obviously a relevant fact.

00:09:31.480 This is not just some conservative gotcha moment.

00:09:36.380 This is very relevant.

00:09:38.040 Why is it relevant?

00:09:38.660 Well, number one, if somebody identifies as trans, that means that they are delusional. 1.00

00:09:43.620 This is a delusional person who is confused about a basic fact of reality,

00:09:49.040 like one of the most basic facts, which is biological reality, their own sex.

00:09:54.580 So this is someone who has a delusional mindset.

00:09:58.160 We already know that.

00:10:00.400 And also, what are trans people being told?

00:10:04.700 What has the media been telling them for years now?

00:10:06.960 They've been telling them that, you know, if somebody does not affirm your fake identity,

00:10:11.900 then that person is a threat.

00:10:15.280 They're an actual, they're an actual threat to you.

00:10:17.680 Trans, you hear the phrase trans genocide has been used many times.

00:10:22.460 And of course, it's completely absurd.

00:10:24.560 There's no genocide happening of trans people.

00:10:26.460 No one's rounding up trans people and killing them.

00:10:28.040 It's completely ridiculous.

00:10:29.240 But what they mean by trans genocide is, you know, well, people like you, Megan or me,

00:10:33.440 who when we go on the air and we say that biological reality exists and we're not going to affirm

00:10:38.380 your delusions, we are somehow participating in a genocide, which makes no sense.

00:10:43.940 But if you have someone who's already mentally ill, they're already suffering from delusions, 0.92

00:10:47.100 and then you take that person, you tell them, hey, those people over there, conservatives,

00:10:51.460 Catholics, they're committing a genocide against you. 1.00

00:10:56.200 When they refuse to affirm you, they're actually physically harming you.

00:11:00.720 Well, now you're giving that person all the excuse they need, all the pretense they need

00:11:04.740 to commit an act of violence.

00:11:06.360 So this is, you've got Peggy Flanagan, the lieutenant governor, wore a shirt that said, 0.81

00:11:11.780 protect trans kids with like a knife on it. 0.98

00:11:13.760 I mean, this is not subtle.

00:11:16.160 You are actively encouraging them to commit acts of violence, and then that's exactly

00:11:20.140 what they go do.

00:11:21.520 And then on top of that, there's the problem of the way the psychiatric system deals with

00:11:27.520 anyone, child or adult, who says they're trans.

00:11:31.440 And this person started saying it when they were still a minor and apparently got a name

00:11:35.960 change from a male name to a female name when they were a minor.

00:11:40.580 They applied at age 17.

00:11:41.720 And you and I both know, including Miriam Grossman, who was in your wonderful movie,

00:11:46.820 What is a Woman? 1.00

00:11:48.380 She's one of the few honest brokers in the field of dealing with this, like the trans, 1.00

00:11:53.920 the gender dysphoria and trans confusion amongst youth.

00:11:58.020 And she pointed out in your movie and on our show and elsewhere, and I think she's written

00:12:02.080 a book now too, the only standard when someone like this shooter goes in to see a child psychiatrist

00:12:08.000 or any sort of mental health professional is to affirm, you're not allowed to explore possible

00:12:14.180 psychotic breaks that the person may be experiencing, maybe just upset due to a shitty childhood

00:12:20.280 or, you know, parents divorce or who knows?

00:12:23.720 It could be a girl's anorexic. 0.88

00:12:25.620 She's whatever.

00:12:26.560 She's getting bullied, has nothing to do with gender. 1.00

00:12:29.220 The modern psychiatric standards is to just lean into the gender ideology. 0.99

00:12:33.660 And as a result, all those underlying and other things really go untreated.

00:12:39.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:40.720 And that's why every, I mean, we can, I think we can safely assume that this person, this

00:12:48.420 scumbag had plenty of, you know, experience with the psychiatric community, psychiatrists,

00:12:54.660 therapists, all the rest of it.

00:12:55.760 I mean, I don't have any information about that.

00:12:57.100 I think we can probably assume it.

00:12:58.400 And all of those people, we should have the names of all those people because they all

00:13:03.280 hold a fair amount of responsibility for what happened.

00:13:07.880 Yes.

00:13:08.300 Because, of course, you're exactly right that when you have someone come in, especially

00:13:13.880 a minor, and they're claiming that they're, you know, it's a boy that claims he's a girl.

00:13:19.440 Well, you know, I said before, these people are delusional.

00:13:22.120 They suffer from delusions.

00:13:23.060 And that's, of course, true in many cases.

00:13:27.700 But what you can also have is someone who kind of like knows that they're not actually

00:13:34.140 confused.

00:13:34.780 They actually know that they're not, they don't actually, they don't actually think they're

00:13:38.080 a woman, but they're making this claim for some other reason.

00:13:41.760 You know, and whether it's a fetish or in the case of a kid, it could be that kid was

00:13:47.500 abused, something else is happening.

00:13:49.840 And this is their way of like coping with it.

00:13:52.920 But because you have to just affirm, you can't get to the bottom of that and actually start

00:13:57.980 talking about what is really going on.

00:14:00.500 And then you take this very disturbed person, and you're basically just, you're abandoning

00:14:05.820 them.

00:14:06.120 They've got their, they have their very unhealthy coping, coping mechanism, which is to, which

00:14:10.980 is to, you know, reject their own identity and pretend to be somebody else.

00:14:15.620 And rather than saying, okay, well, this, clearly there's something very wrong here.

00:14:20.340 We got to get to the bottom of it so we can help this person.

00:14:22.840 Instead, you just abandon them to that coping mechanism and kind of just wait until the inevitable

00:14:29.820 awful thing happens.

00:14:31.400 Yeah, because it's considered conversion therapy within the psychiatric community to try to

00:14:37.040 talk to that person about whether they're actually having gender dysphoria or whether this

00:14:42.880 is just like something they're throwing out there as a more fashionable excuse for certain

00:14:48.360 feelings they're having of depression or what have you.

00:14:51.020 And so you're not allowed to really get into that stuff.

00:14:53.060 You just have to affirm and go along with it.

00:14:54.680 And then in most cases, they add to the mix by putting the person on a dangerous cocktail

00:14:59.140 of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones and even chopping off healthy body parts, which

00:15:06.800 can really cause deep problems.

00:15:08.520 We don't know whether that happened in this case.

00:15:10.900 We're just talking about the system and how messed up it is.

00:15:14.360 You mentioned Peggy Flanagan.

00:15:16.220 She's the lieutenant governor of Minnesota. 0.79

00:15:19.180 Her messaging has been so deeply flawed on this and wrong.

00:15:22.580 Same as her boss, Tim Walz.

00:15:24.280 But here she is in March of 2023 in Sop 14.

00:15:29.580 Because let's be clear.

00:15:33.100 This is life affirming and life saving health care.

00:15:38.380 When our children tell us who they are, it is our job as grownups to listen and to believe

00:15:49.060 them.

00:15:56.040 That's what it means to be a good parent.

00:15:57.800 Oh, my God.

00:15:59.960 I know you covered that on your show at the time.

00:16:01.840 We did, too.

00:16:02.460 It was such an insane way of phrasing how you react when your child has this issue.

00:16:08.400 Yeah, I can't think of a – it's hard for me to imagine worse parenting advice than that.

00:16:17.740 Our job as a parent is to believe whatever your kid says.

00:16:21.500 What?

00:16:21.740 If anything, it's exactly the opposite.

00:16:24.860 If anything, it's your job as a parent most of the time is to not accept whatever crazy

00:16:30.140 nonsense comes out of your kid's mouth.

00:16:31.740 So that's totally insane.

00:16:34.620 And what really infuriates me about it when I hear people like Peggy Flanagan or any of

00:16:38.880 these people on the left is that I know that they don't really believe it.

00:16:46.300 They don't really believe any of this.

00:16:48.780 They don't – you would have to actually be mentally ill yourself, which, of course,

00:16:53.140 plenty of them, maybe Peggy Flanagan is, but everyone at bottom knows that a man is a man

00:17:02.620 and a woman is a woman. 1.00

00:17:03.820 Everybody knows that children are children, and there's a lot of things they don't understand

00:17:09.840 about the world.

00:17:10.580 Everyone knows that you can't just give a kid a cocktail of drugs and magically turn

00:17:14.600 him from a girl into a boy.

00:17:16.000 So they all actually know that, and yet – and they know the harm that it causes, but they

00:17:22.260 do this anyway.

00:17:23.040 They do it for political gain.

00:17:25.080 They do it for control.

00:17:26.820 They do it – if it's a pharmaceutical industry and a medical industry, they do it for money.

00:17:31.960 They do it for all these reasons, knowing the harm that it causes, and that to me just

00:17:36.540 makes it all the more despicable and evil.

00:17:39.280 You mentioned that some of them genuinely might be nuts.

00:17:41.760 That leads me to Nebraska Democratic State Senator Michaela Kavanaugh, who, when Nebraska 0.77

00:17:49.680 passed a law saying, we're not going to offer these procedures for minors.

00:17:54.780 Like, if you want to do this stuff to yourself as an adult, that's one thing.

00:17:58.500 Minors should not be cut up by money-motivated surgeons who want to make money off of their

00:18:04.720 delusions.

00:18:05.600 And this was her response in 2023.

00:18:08.260 It's SOT 15.

00:18:09.300 Trance people, trans people belong here. 1.00

00:18:12.920 We need trans people.

00:18:14.260 We love trans people.

00:18:15.780 Trans people belong here. 1.00

00:18:17.320 We need trans people.

00:18:18.760 We love trans people.

00:18:20.460 Trans people belong here. 1.00

00:18:22.020 We need trans people.

00:18:23.480 We love trans people.

00:18:24.940 Trans people belong here. 1.00

00:18:26.520 We need trans people.

00:18:27.760 We could be here all day.

00:18:29.600 She goes on.

00:18:31.640 You get it.

00:18:32.460 But some of them truly do seem like actual nuts.

00:18:35.380 yeah i think i well certainly there's there's plenty of democrats who are insane uh but i

00:18:43.840 almost think we give them too much credit or we let them off the hook a little bit by writing

00:18:48.220 them all off as insane because if you're insane then it's not your fault right i mean that's what

00:18:51.840 being insane is and i think even in the case of i mean you'd be excused for seeing that performance

00:18:57.240 and thinking this person's totally nuts um and yet i think i i i think that that's it's it's

00:19:04.220 there's a strategy though there's actually when they when they do the thing where they just yell

00:19:08.360 the phrase over and over again uh this is very common on the left it's one of their favorite

00:19:12.460 tactics and this there's a strategy the strategy is like we're just going to filibuster by screaming

00:19:18.060 because there's no actual argument they can't make an argument in favor of this they can't present

00:19:22.780 i mean i've been talking about this of course for a very long time and i've yet to hear anyone on the

00:19:27.960 left actually present anything resembling a coherent argument uh in favor of chemically castrating kids

00:19:34.140 it doesn't exist they know it so instead of they they start screaming about it and also by the way

00:19:38.740 not to you know not to sidetrack this but you mentioned this was in response to a law that would

00:19:46.120 ban this stuff for kids um and you know for for and even a lot of conservatives will say well when

00:19:51.740 you're an adult you can do what you want um i think that part of the conversation now especially

00:19:56.160 in light of what of what happened yesterday uh and in general i think on as conservatives we need to

00:20:03.600 move to the next step uh which is that this is not just about protecting protecting kids is number

00:20:09.440 one priority and fortunately we've we've we've made huge strides in protecting kids against gender 0.76

00:20:15.060 ideology there's still more to be done um but we we are winning on that we are winning on it um but for

00:20:21.140 me anyway that was never going to be the end of it um because the next step is to destroy the gender 1.00

00:20:29.380 transition industry period um because it may be true that adults in their own private life can do

00:20:37.260 what they want in the privacy of of their own homes like if you're in your own home and if you're in

00:20:41.740 if you're a if you're a man who identifies as a woman and in your own home you put on a dress or

00:20:45.380 something that's weird you shouldn't do it but no one else can see it and so there's nothing we can do

00:20:49.200 about it but when we talk about gender transitions even for adults that's not something that they're doing

00:20:54.300 to themselves that's something that a doctor is doing to them and my point is that doctors should

00:21:00.320 not be allowed to do that to anyone of any age if someone comes to you and is a male and says i feel

00:21:06.700 like i'm a female um you you should not be allowed to take advantage of that confusion and that delusion

00:21:13.660 uh by giving them castration drugs and permanently physically harming their bodies no matter what their 0.54

00:21:19.020 age is what they need is psychiatric help and as a doctor as a medical provider you should be legally

00:21:25.480 uh required to give them the psychiatric help that they need and so that's what i that that's that's

00:21:32.020 i think where the conversation should go from i i agree with you and i also think it's we've been

00:21:35.480 derelicted not having the conversation about just how blatantly offensive it is you know i mean

00:21:39.840 i go back to the the irish girl brand dove she goes by and she did that amazing poem about how i am not

00:21:48.020 a dress you know i i'm not a costume to be worn it's not that far afield from the blackface discussion

00:21:53.980 you you just can't do it because it's offensive it's deeply offensive to the target group who

00:21:59.740 you're pretending to be and that as a woman that's how i feel like you don't you don't get the first 0.99

00:22:04.260 thing about being a woman just because you put on lipstick and a dress and i'm not a i'm not a

00:22:08.900 costume i'm not a dress you're offensive looking at you parading around and insisting i call you miz 0.98

00:22:14.720 is offensive to me i don't want to have to participate in it most of these guys are having

00:22:19.700 a sexual fetish fulfilled anyway i don't want my kid to participate in your sexual fetish nor do i 0.79

00:22:25.400 want to do it there's all sorts of reasons to take issue with it at the adult level too i want to keep

00:22:30.840 going because we have so many things to get through back to the question of the fakers the ones who 0.93

00:22:34.740 aren't nuts but are doing it to virtue signal or as you point out some of these people are on the

00:22:40.900 payroll who have gotten donations or in the form of ads or in the form of direct payments to their

00:22:45.460 hospitals here's npr's alisa chang doing an interview with senator klobuchar who's the minnesota

00:22:52.240 senator on this issue yesterday two children have just been shot dead you've got another 18 who have

00:23:00.860 been wounded who are in the hospitals and listen to what's upsetting miss chang in this discussion 0.99

00:23:06.460 saw four there is of course the hate you're going to find that this perpetrator that this

00:23:12.080 horrific offender that he there was it was all purpose hate right he hated a lot of different

00:23:20.560 groups it wasn't one ideology or another we're going to have to leave it there that is senator

00:23:25.820 amy klobuchar of minnesota thank you very much for taking the time thank you for thinking of us thank

00:23:31.700 you and just a point of clarification senator klobuchar referenced the shooter as he although

00:23:37.860 police have identified a suspect it's still unclear at this time what that person's gender is or how they

00:23:43.400 identify oh my god matt

00:23:46.220 yeah i i actually had not that i hadn't seen that clip and uh i i don't know how i can continue to be

00:23:58.300 surprised by these people but um some somehow just just the total shamelessness uh of that

00:24:05.720 and uh worrying about respecting the so-called gender identity of a guy who just killed children

00:24:12.780 i mean he went to a we all understand this he went to a church and shot children so you're dealing with

00:24:18.980 that's the most evil you can possibly be that's that is the absolute depths of of of evil and uh the

00:24:27.060 idea that we should be at all concerned because why why are we concerned are we concerned about

00:24:31.460 about hurting his feelings as he's you know that guy's burning in hell right now he's got bigger 0.75

00:24:36.780 problems i can tell you that than um then than whether or not his gender identity is being

00:24:41.320 respected so that is uh just shameless and that's right nonsense and was looking forward to it i mean his

00:24:48.200 manifesto online has entries that read as follows um i love when kids get shot i love to see kids get

00:24:57.260 torn apart i've had thoughts about mass murder for a long time then he says i'm very conflicted with

00:25:03.300 writing this journal um i need to get my thoughts out without getting on a watch list ha ha ha and i

00:25:10.440 mean there's a real question about your point like yeah who who should have been watching you and

00:25:16.520 reporting you to authorities the mother willingly participated in the name change and was all

00:25:23.400 smiles and pictures of this guy trying to look like a woman there had to be some sort of mental health

00:25:29.320 professional involved i'm sure and then we find out that he actually had regrets about it the new

00:25:35.860 york post reporting this morning that he confessed he was quote tired of being trans and wished quote

00:25:41.620 he never brainwashed himself in this manifesto that was posted online wrote quote i only keep the

00:25:48.460 long hair because it's pretty much my last shred of being trans i'm tired of being trans i wish i 0.54

00:25:53.480 never brainwashed myself i can't cut my hair now as it would be an embarrassing defeat and it might be a

00:26:00.340 concerning change of character that could me get me reported i will probably chop it on the day of

00:26:06.720 the attack so what does that tell us

00:26:09.600 oh i mean it again it tells us among other things just the total dereliction of duty uh on the part of

00:26:21.180 whatever group of so-called mental health professionals um he he you know had had been

00:26:28.640 consulting and we can assume that there were plenty i mean this is someone who

00:26:31.720 and this and we find this very often also this is another this is another common thread with these

00:26:37.780 mass shootings um what you find is that whether this is a trans person or not uh very very often

00:26:44.080 they're on psychiatric medication we don't know if this guy was on psychiatric medication i think it

00:26:48.340 sounds like pretty pretty good possibility he was but there's very often that's the case and also

00:26:53.700 very often these are people who are very much you know they they have therapists they have psychiatrists

00:26:58.840 they're they're in that whole world and yet when we and now of course it's with hindsight because

00:27:04.020 we're only aware of these people in the public after they commit the the heinous act but still

00:27:07.780 it's like if i had seen that guy a week ago and had a five minute conversation with him

00:27:16.440 i could have immediately known like this is a dangerous person i mean this is this is a disturbed

00:27:22.120 potentially dangerous person it just it it leaps off the screen at you um even even if you didn't

00:27:28.740 have the benefit of hindsight i think any of us could and so the question is always well where

00:27:33.200 where were the whatever therapist whatever counselor what what were what were you doing exactly what was

00:27:39.020 happening in these sessions and i think we need more clarity on that i know that there's all kinds of

00:27:44.020 uh of laws you know because you have you have privacy and all that stuff is important

00:27:47.860 but i think we need some changes of policies because when this sort of thing happens we need

00:27:52.780 to know what what psychiatric drugs if any was the person on and uh what which which medical

00:27:59.320 professionals was this person consulting we need to know these things um and uh and i think that that

00:28:05.260 needs to change one of the other things the manifesto makes clear is that he was uh smoking a lot of

00:28:10.480 pot vaping all the time and uh like alex berenson who's done a lot of writing on the dangers of

00:28:17.020 today's marijuana and vaping he he's raising that as a common thread that we've seen with a lot of

00:28:22.780 these school shooters so you've got this basically this madman who's lost it who's had some sort of a

00:28:28.020 break it's manifesting in a number of ways including this trans ideology who's smoking a bunch of dope 0.96

00:28:34.780 and vaping all the time some of the manifesto shows like wafts of smoke coming up he's obviously

00:28:40.060 smoking and all the left wants to talk about matt is guns that's it the guns are the problem and also

00:28:49.020 by the way they're sick and tired of our thoughts and prayers i'll give you jen saki inside nine

00:28:55.500 all they should be hoping to do is have someone to sit with at lunch or someone to play with on the

00:29:03.080 playground and they should be waiting to hear an update when they get home and that is not what

00:29:09.280 these parents in the school experience today because we have been here so many times so many times

00:29:15.460 and yet again like clockwork half the politicians in our country have little more to offer than thoughts

00:29:22.400 and prayers that is all they are offering you're going to start seeing narratives you're already

00:29:26.280 seeing them they're already out there about how the shooter was trans you're going to see

00:29:29.820 narratives about how the shooter appeared to be anti-trump and anti-semitic and clearly was in

00:29:34.580 the midst of a mental health crisis weaponizing the shooter's identity is meant to distract from

00:29:38.740 what matters that is what they are doing trying to distract from what matters here's what matters

00:29:42.900 today's shooter bought the what rifle handgun and shotgun they used to do what they did today

00:29:47.320 legally it's the guns everyone it's not really a secret thoughts on it matt

00:29:52.840 yeah well i i first of all you want to talk about guns okay so this was a trans killer so i don't know

00:30:03.520 jen saki are you saying that what we should we should stop uh trans identified people from owning guns 0.99

00:30:09.060 you want to have that conversation okay let's have that conversation i don't think she does

00:30:12.660 um and i think this this stuff about you know this stuff about thoughts and prayers it well we we got

00:30:18.720 to do more than just pray yeah we all know that okay that first of all that is obviously a a direct

00:30:24.780 attack on and an insult against the the actual victims themselves as many people have pointed out

00:30:30.500 of course it's true these people were in a church they were praying and now here you are being

00:30:35.760 dismissive and contemptuous of prayer so obviously you're directly insulting the people the kids who

00:30:42.860 were just killed which makes you a just absolutely vile scumbag but also as every christian knows that

00:30:49.640 that yes we we pray we believe in the power of prayer but no one thinks that well you should just

00:30:55.440 pray and do nothing else you you pray and you beseech god for his mercy and for his his his help um but

00:31:04.220 then you have to also go out and do things and when it comes to to uh cutting down on these kinds of

00:31:09.200 incidents it just so happens that most conservatives there's a lot there's a lot of there are a lot of

00:31:13.740 act like actual things that we want to do that we are proposing yes we should pray but also um we

00:31:22.140 should stop transing the kids okay also we should shut down the gender affirmation industry entirely 0.99

00:31:28.220 also we should start holding the the big pharmaceutical companies accountable for all these psychiatric drugs

00:31:34.060 that they're putting on on uh that they're that they're you know putting all these people on we

00:31:38.720 should do that also we should have uh you know every school in the country should have armed security

00:31:44.180 i mean unfortunately where i spot now where every church also probably needs uh armed security so

00:31:50.380 there's like i don't know there's four or five things i just listed actual active things that we can do

00:31:55.660 um and that many conservatives have proposed the exact same thing uh so this idea that we don't want to do

00:32:02.380 anything but pray is just a ridiculous and insulting straw man she won't talk about it she won't talk

00:32:08.340 about any of those ideas she just wants to act exasperated in front of her audience that it's all about

00:32:14.240 the guns that a madman like this wouldn't have found an alternative way of hurting these children

00:32:19.740 and that in jen saki's world you know you just take away the guns and then they'll they'll never hurt

00:32:24.420 somebody again the gun solution is totally impractical it's never happening even if the united states

00:32:29.480 if the people wanted it and voted for it there's no way of getting 400 million guns

00:32:33.120 out of the united states of america it's not a possible thing to do and even if you did it

00:32:37.600 you'd still have mass death because madmen do what madmen do the solution is to look at the madmen and

00:32:44.720 figure out how to keep them away from the rest of us if you can stop the deterioration which is what

00:32:49.940 you're talking about with the crackdown on the on the trans enablers great but if you can't i'm all

00:32:55.180 for institutionalizing these people when it's clear that they're a danger to society and at a

00:33:00.280 minimum we should be fortifying all the soft targets that we know we know they want to hit

00:33:05.680 we've now had way too much evidence that schools are vulnerable and that places of worship are

00:33:10.880 vulnerable so still you have i mean even look you had andy mccabe right formerly of the fbi on cnn uh

00:33:19.260 this morning and he's drawing the line matt between uh the shooting in nashville tennessee

00:33:26.400 by a girl who said she was trans um and and targeted this christian school to this shooting

00:33:34.640 that we had yesterday and he talks about all the similarities okay this is a former law enforcement

00:33:39.760 official and and see if you can guess see if you can glean what's not included on his list as he's

00:33:46.600 trying to find the the seam in the story that can help law enforcement figure out who to be wary of

00:33:53.720 going forward here it is in slot seven i haven't seen the manifesto so i can't say whether there are

00:33:59.800 specific references to the 2023 covenant school shooter in nashville but if you look at that

00:34:04.940 if that's it situation and this one there are remarkable similarities so both were in their 20s

00:34:11.640 both targeted religious schools that they formerly attended um both uh brought three weapons to the

00:34:18.300 crime both purchased those weapons legally both drove to the attack site and left a vehicle there

00:34:24.040 uh both posted manifestos in which they raged uh and expressed grievance towards numerous uh ethnic

00:34:31.560 groups and religions you know a real broad stroke of uh of kind of anger there both sought to kill 0.55

00:34:39.460 children young children specifically and i think the most important here is both were students of other

00:34:45.060 mass shooters he doesn't even mention it the trans thing let me just give you one more quickly

00:34:54.080 former fbi agent again law enforcement official katherine schweite goes on msnbc talks about how the

00:35:01.260 shooter became radicalized appears to catch herself making a reference to the gender thing and then tries 1.00

00:35:08.280 to completely whitewash her own reference here in sod 11 likely stopped communicating with other people 0.50

00:35:14.860 they began to withdraw and and change their appearance and um and i don't mean change their appearance like

00:35:22.620 you might uh here i understand uh at least early reporting is that we have someone um you know who

00:35:28.200 who is uh female um and but present but but came at presents as female but was male so i'm not talking

00:35:35.560 about that kind of change appearance i mean the clothing the dark the jackets and things like that

00:35:40.560 people begin to say hey what is going on with this person around me we're not doing a good job of

00:35:46.040 looking for that type of thing what a liar what a liar she's she did mean the trans thing she just 0.98

00:35:51.620 caught herself oh we have to look for people changing from tan jackets into black jackets that

00:35:56.460 was a bunch of bullshit what horseshit matt she caught herself because she had a moment of saying 0.80

00:36:01.460 what was real and then realized she couldn't say that on msnbc and andy mccabe doesn't even mention

00:36:06.860 it as a possible factor to be considered but the left wants to condemn the right for thoughts and prayers

00:36:12.320 and wanting to do nothing yeah it's it's completely ridiculous the good news though

00:36:21.160 is that well those two clips you played right they're uh all over x right now they're all over

00:36:27.540 social media and um andrew mccabe might not want to acknowledge it but a lot of people you know

00:36:33.000 millions of people on social media are happy to say well you don't want to acknowledge it but i'll let

00:36:36.780 you know the one thing you forgot so the good news is that this is the game these people want to play

00:36:42.140 um by by ignoring the obvious reality but uh it's it's not it's not working i mean it it maybe it

00:36:50.780 worked like five years ago but it's just not working anymore at all and uh and the trans agenda

00:36:57.740 in general is is losing in pretty much every facet of life i mean it's losing politically it's losing

00:37:04.780 culturally uh it's losing in the state houses it's losing in the courts it's losing it lost in the

00:37:10.820 supreme court it's losing everywhere so the team sanity as i've as i've come to call it is is is

00:37:16.920 winning on this issue and uh so when you want when you watch even a couple of those clips it's almost

00:37:22.180 it almost feels like a relic an ancient relic of you know the ancient times of 2021 uh when people

00:37:27.680 were still kind of gingerly stepping around this issue but we're not we're not doing that anymore at

00:37:32.780 least not in out out in the broader culture regular people aren't doing that but so that's

00:37:36.980 the good news but what i would warn everybody and you know not not to not to um you know not to be

00:37:45.940 alarmist but it's just true that uh well the trans radicals are losing but because they're losing i think

00:37:53.200 that they've never been more dangerous than they are right now i mean these people are they know they're

00:37:58.160 losing they have nothing left to lose and uh they know that their agenda is going down in flames and

00:38:03.340 so now i think we're getting to a point where they're going to try to take down as many normal

00:38:07.220 sane people as they can along along with them i mean they're desperate you know when you when you

00:38:11.840 get back someone into a corner and they're losing and it's out and it's gone it's like they can either

00:38:15.680 just give up and wave the white flag and say okay you got us it's over we're gonna stop um or that is

00:38:21.500 the moment when they become the most dangerous and the most desperate and i think that's the moment that's um

00:38:26.620 we're in right now which is only just uh all the more reason to be vigilant to be vigilant rather

00:38:31.780 be be on your guard um i hate to say it but i i hate i hate i hate that this is the case but it is 0.54

00:38:38.280 the case that even going to church you know you should be you should be carrying when you go to

00:38:42.880 church um if you're if your church doesn't have armed security i mean that's that's the place we're in

00:38:48.080 right now in the country you're you're 100 right and um that is a silver lining like when i think about

00:38:55.680 okay you know at least the the jig is up i mean unfortunately we still have bostock out there

00:39:01.060 and you know this is a supreme court decision thanks to neil gorsuch who sided with the libs to

00:39:06.560 give us a mandated right amongst trans people to be hired at your organization and so now you're

00:39:13.700 looking at this you're looking at the the series of mass shootings perpetrated by these people

00:39:18.980 suffering from trans ideology and then one comes to your place of business and unless you have another 0.99

00:39:24.820 very good reason not to hire them um they could sue you for not hiring them because of their trans

00:39:30.940 status that has to be undone the supreme court must take a fresh look at that decision and it has to be

00:39:37.960 reversed i mean it's a massive problem matt and it's still sitting on the books is good law

00:39:41.720 yeah which is why which is why i say they're losing uh in every in every area of of american life

00:39:51.660 and they are but it's not it's not over and there are still some some major problems even the issue of

00:39:57.200 uh of you know protecting kids from chemical castration mutilation um i think it's been it's

00:40:03.180 been one l after another for the trans side but that's not i mean there are still plenty of states

00:40:08.100 in this country where that's happening to kids so um so the the the fight continues but still i think

00:40:14.040 the good news is that and this is this even goes beyond politics it goes beyond the courts i think

00:40:19.700 that just in the culture generally people are just done with this i think five years ago a lot of

00:40:26.820 normal nice polite people kind of went along with it because they didn't want to be mean they didn't

00:40:31.980 want to be rude um and i think that was certainly a massive mistake but it was it it was it was rooted

00:40:37.480 in the fact that they're normal polite people um and but i think that those people now are done with

00:40:43.240 it and are not going to go along with it anymore and uh so that's that's been the real shift that

00:40:50.020 ultimately is the kind of the last nail in the coffin for the you think about it every day you

00:40:55.280 see something on x or elsewhere like did you vote for this on donald trump he's an authoritarian he's

00:41:00.800 doing unlawful power grabs and so on and so forth we were we were so close to having kamala harris

00:41:08.580 and tim waltz in there matt who would have exploded this gender ideology crap all over us this was tim 0.99

00:41:18.640 waltz at the democrats dnc summer meeting that they're having um in minneapolis this is him

00:41:24.940 on monday on monday a couple days before this happened this is the message he wanted to bring

00:41:30.840 to top democrats about his state his policies and what he thinks should happen in this country

00:41:35.160 top 12 minnesota ranks the highest per capita for being a safe haven for transgender individuals in

00:41:42.500 minnesota and

00:41:43.800 can i just say we can talk about economic growth and feeding children and growing the economy and

00:41:52.860 creating jobs simultaneously with talking about everybody's human rights matters and we shouldn't

00:41:57.600 you can do both when when he was running matt i did a whole story on the trans refuge law in

00:42:07.800 minnesota and how he if you won't confirm affirm your child's gender confusion they can go to minnesota

00:42:13.880 planned parenthood will sponsor them you can get like a third party to sponsor you and custody can

00:42:19.580 be wrested from the non-affirming parents both of them and placed temporarily in the state of

00:42:25.420 minnesota where then they can trans your child it's insane but it's there thanks to tim waltz who tied 0.98

00:42:32.060 who signed it into law we dodged such a bullet with this lunatic and his would-be boss kamala harris 1.00

00:42:41.000 who would have signed on to all of that so it's like i really don't have a ton of time for the people

00:42:46.620 who get upset about the fact that trump wants to make cities have fewer murders when we're looking at

00:42:52.500 that on the other side yeah yeah and that's and i i totally agree with him about having a fewer

00:43:01.660 murders in the cities too so but but also we did dodge a major bullet um but that also speaks that

00:43:10.060 that's that's you know we got to keep in mind that trump is in office till 2028 and we have another

00:43:16.020 election democrats are not going to be as much as i would love to think that democrats will be held out

00:43:19.820 of the white house uh from here until you know kingdom come i don't think that's going to be the

00:43:23.760 case we're going to end up with another democrat president um sooner sooner sooner later it's going 0.99

00:43:28.300 to happen which just means that we need um as many victories as we can get that that are are also

00:43:37.680 not things that can be overturned by the next democrat president in two seconds that's right a lot

00:43:43.860 of the executive orders are great you know i support a lot of these a lot of these executive orders

00:43:47.340 but the next democrat president could get in there and just write another executive order and get rid

00:43:51.080 of the last one uh which which so that means we need congress needs to step up and we also need

00:43:55.840 laws on some of this stuff why they're never going to do it why isn't there a law they tried you know

00:44:01.460 you saw they tried on the school's sports thing they tried on the keeping boys out of a girl's sports 0.65

00:44:06.460 and they failed they couldn't get cloture on it in the senate so they couldn't get a vote we need 60

00:44:11.420 republican seats in the senate and a republican house and president and then we can actually get that done

00:44:16.820 but until then that these democrats they couldn't even find an additional seven democrats so just

00:44:22.180 seven democrat senators to say i'll vote for cloture so we can have a vote on keeping boys out of sports

00:44:27.900 never mind this other stuff which they would consider even harder to pass you know stopping

00:44:32.980 the chemical castration should be easier but they would consider it harder

00:44:36.200 yeah why i i think actually stopping chemical castration would yeah it should be easier i think

00:44:45.040 i think it probably would be because it puts you know sports are one thing but putting democrats in

00:44:50.760 a position where they actually have to stand up and defend the chemical chemical castration of an

00:44:54.620 11 year old that's not an argument they none of them want to talk about that none of them want to

00:44:59.100 have that debate they want to stay there's a reason why when kamala harris was running for you know the 1.00

00:45:03.500 presidency she she did not she uh you know three four years ago she was talking about trans stuff all 0.97

00:45:09.200 the time trans rights waving the trans flag but during her presidential run she kind of stayed as

00:45:14.420 far away from it as she could because this is not a conversation they want to have and um one way or

00:45:20.360 another that that has to be we we need we need actual laws in place at the federal level um as well

00:45:29.620 uh or what i'm worried about is that although we're getting all these wins um maybe three four

00:45:34.960 years from now we're going to look back and all that stuff or most of it has been erased in the

00:45:40.100 blink of an eye it's terrifying i i've got to show you this clip it's kind of where a fair amount of

00:45:48.040 the press is going with it it was from joe scarborough this morning who is upset with the new york post

00:45:53.820 headline the headline reads transgender maniac uh minneapolis school shooter okay so they're 0.73

00:46:02.060 calling the shooter a transgender maniac there's absolutely nothing wrong with that it's factual 1.00

00:46:06.660 factually correct but here's joe scarborough's reaction to it i'll rev on the front of the new

00:46:13.120 york post they say demonic and then they it's transgender maniac shoots up catholic school um you know 0.91

00:46:20.560 they could very easily uh say time and time again um uh straight white maniac shoots up uh catholic

00:46:28.860 school or shoots up country music concert or shoots up this or shoots up that i mean i suppose some

00:46:35.320 people will try to distract from the ongoing mass slaughters that are going on of our children in

00:46:39.640 schools and churches and across the country of people that go to country music concerts of people

00:46:44.880 who are sitting in pews at churches and baptist churches and i mean we can go on and on and on so

00:46:50.040 again i i i suppose they can focus uh on on uh whether it was uh transgender or straight white male or

00:46:59.740 whatever it was fact is this is happening too much oh my god matt he he's acting like transgender 0.98

00:47:10.020 is the same kind of label as white or black and doesn't come with a whole host of mental health

00:47:19.080 implications right like he's trying to sort of suggest the post is a bunch of bigots because

00:47:25.060 that's they never say straight white male goes in and shoots up a high school by the way yes they do

00:47:29.760 but anyway it's it completely ignores that this is mental illness we're talking about which the left

00:47:36.140 has made an impossibility to discuss as you know you could get penalized on youtube for even saying that

00:47:40.840 yeah well it's like if uh if this was if this person was a diagnosed schizophrenic uh would it be

00:47:51.060 would it would it be irrelevant would it be strange to say a schizophrenic killer well no of course not

00:47:56.600 because that's that's a that's a driving factor but it's one of the reasons why this happened is

00:48:01.200 because uh to your point uh because the of this of this mental this mental illness and um and and

00:48:09.020 you know this transgenderism is also a mental illness and it was categorized that way by the

00:48:14.020 psychiatric industry for many years up until you know relatively recently so it is very relevant and

00:48:19.560 also by the way it the media is really happy to tell us if when a white person commits an act of

00:48:26.360 violence straight white male they're very happy to include that label uh even where it's not it's

00:48:33.820 actually not relevant actually doesn't have anything to do with it but in this case even where it's not

00:48:37.080 where it's not a white person remember cnn with that shooter even when it's not actually a white

00:48:42.500 person remember cnn with that shooter outside of the new york city um corporate office building a few

00:48:47.100 weeks ago saying possibly white was very clearly a black man but yeah they love to tell you it's a white 0.92

00:48:52.540 person whether it is or it isn't it's just this one thing they can't mention even though it's clearly

00:48:57.720 much more relevant than skin color is right and white is not white doesn't tell you the thing about

00:49:07.240 about trans is it not only tells you that this person has a mental illness uh by definition but it 0.97

00:49:13.780 tells you it it indicates a lot about ideology as well i mean the trans is also an ideology it's also of

00:49:20.960 course very left-wing coded and so this is someone who's attacking a church and so there's a lot that

00:49:27.660 you can you can glean from that uh but white is not an ideology it's also not a mental illness as much

00:49:33.900 as the media would like to say that it is and uh so that is a far less relevant detail that they still

00:49:39.760 are very happy to tell us even as you point out even when it's uh even when it's not true i just think

00:49:45.580 it's so clear this guy had mental health problems he was funneled into some system that probably just

00:49:50.520 affirmed affirmed affirmed from his mother to potentially a mental health counselor and by his

00:49:55.660 own words he didn't actually think he was trans later he got to the point of realizing what am i

00:50:00.400 doing here and i guarantee you no one had ever taken a serious look at why he was saying that he was

00:50:06.400 probably just affirmed especially in the state of minnesota and uh it was one of i'm sure a multitude

00:50:11.620 of factors that led to the mass murder we watched him commit yesterday matt walsh thank you

00:50:16.680 thanks so much for being here thanks megan one of the few people who has stood up from the beginning

00:50:22.520 on this courageously and made a real difference in some of those changes he was just outlining and we

00:50:28.380 should all be grateful to him for it we're coming back with kelly's court and our friends from mk true

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00:52:59.100 investments advice welcome back to the megan kelly show an extraordinary update for you in the blake

00:53:09.040 lively justin baldoni legal battle this is a case in which blake lively accuses her co-star from the

00:53:14.720 movie it ends with us justin baldoni who is also the creator of this movie he's the one who optioned the

00:53:20.460 book and had the idea for it to begin with of sexual harassment and disparagement baldoni cross claimed

00:53:27.000 saying lively is a nasty bully who is unfairly blaming and disparaging him for the negative press

00:53:33.120 she generated with her disastrous promo tour around the release of their movie back in august 2024 1.00

00:53:39.120 news broke in july that lively had begun sending subpoenas to podcasters and others who had said or

00:53:47.620 written negative things about her from candace owens and perez hilton to people you've likely never

00:53:53.320 never heard of like zach peters she targeted more than a dozen journalists and online creators igniting

00:53:59.760 a free speech firestorm we can now reveal that we were among those targeted by blake lively yes she

00:54:08.700 actually tried to get the confidential and proprietary materials my team and i used for any and all stories

00:54:16.140 about her because blake lively was unable to fathom that yours truly had developed a genuine revulsion

00:54:23.140 toward her on my own she posited that i must have been ensnared in baldoni's alleged ongoing smear

00:54:31.140 campaign against her that his attorney who happens also to be my own from well before his representation

00:54:39.060 of baldoni must be controlling our coverage in addition she suggested that i was getting paid

00:54:46.500 by baldoni or by his lawyer brian friedman for my anti-blake coverage demanding to see all documents

00:54:54.960 reflecting this alleged agreement or payment structure this is how narcissistic this woman is 1.00

00:55:02.060 she actually thinks i needed to get paid by baldoni's team to say negative things about her

00:55:09.040 news flash blake i came to those conclusions totally organically don't give away your power sweetheart

00:55:16.640 it was you it was all you who made me unable to stand you no man had anything to do with it

00:55:23.660 we fought her subpoena and won she backed down and has now missed the deadline to pursue her harassment of me

00:55:31.620 and my team any further sorry sweetheart you might want to try harder the next time

00:55:37.320 but in any event we gave her absolutely nothing not one document not one record not one communication

00:55:44.860 in no world would i ever ever allow my teams or my communications with each other or with our sources

00:55:53.080 for our news reporting to be turned over to a third party and certainly not to this nitwit 0.54

00:55:59.100 it's called the first amendment freedom of the press she has zero right to nose around in how i gather

00:56:06.740 news or in how my team and i prepare for any show we do pro tip we're extremely fair we are extremely

00:56:15.980 thorough factual and unsparing of any public figure and frankly of ourselves when it comes to our own

00:56:23.080 high standards but access to our actual communications it's a no you cannot have them

00:56:29.700 i am a member of the press you are a sad pathetic untalented narcissistic bully and i will never back down 0.91

00:56:36.520 to the likes of black blake lively never and her fight to harass me and my team ended in her getting 1.00

00:56:43.260 nothing nothing nothing however there are still many content creators whom we believe are actively

00:56:51.800 being bullied by blake lively to this day we were in the fortunate position of being able to hire a lawyer

00:56:58.000 to tell lively to pound sand most of the people she's harassing do not have those resources and she knows it 1.00

00:57:05.780 she's targeting them because she knows she can she's richer better connected with high-powered lawyers 1.00

00:57:13.680 who have nothing but time and billable hours on their hands thanks to ryan reynolds booze and acting

00:57:20.400 fortunes these two hollywood mega millionaires think nothing of harassing powerless people on social media

00:57:29.080 who have the temerity to write or speak negatively about queen blake remember that the next time you

00:57:37.740 see ryan reynolds trying to pawn him himself off as the super nice guy oh shucks as he tries to blow

00:57:44.720 apart the the lives of these content creators who happen to think she's a liar he's a bully too

00:57:51.860 so while we at the megan kelly show are not worried at all about blake lively's attempt to harass us

00:57:57.500 we are concerned about this ugly bully's efforts to embarrass other online creators with fewer

00:58:03.220 resources and we sincerely hope the judge in this case will send a message to lively and her legal team

00:58:09.880 that they have overreached it's ironic of course that in an effort to disprove that she's an unlikable

00:58:17.020 bully brat who did not deserve any of the negative press she received blake lively acts like an unlikable 0.95

00:58:23.080 bully brat who cannot believe any of that negative press could possibly be genuine so i will just say

00:58:29.060 this i came to this case entirely open-minded go back and look at the first interview i ever did

00:58:36.000 on this case of of brian friedman who is baldoni's lawyer it was probing i brazed many of her defenses we

00:58:45.180 talked about the me too stuff all of it and i underscore to the audience that i don't have a

00:58:49.760 a horse in this race at all i had nothing against her it was not until i saw how many allegations 0.98

00:58:56.780 she clearly made up and reached the independent conclusion as someone who practiced law for a

00:59:03.940 decade and has been in journalism for two more that she was glomming on to the me too movement to try to 0.98

00:59:09.380 save her reputation that i finally realized she's a terrible person then i started looking at clips

00:59:16.340 in particular the clips that had generated such negative coverage of her last summer

00:59:20.500 and saw that i was actually quite late to the blake lively is terrible party clips like this one where

00:59:27.320 she bullied a reporter with no power after the journalist had the nerve to compliment blake's

00:59:32.780 very obviously pregnant state first of all congrats on your little bump congrats on your little bump 1.00

00:59:40.680 did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you yeah yeah and you know working in digital

00:59:47.300 everyone wants to talk about the clothes but i wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes

00:59:50.540 i would yeah it's not just the women that that have the clothes but i feel like the women get the 1.00

00:59:56.540 conversation

00:59:57.100 so absurd so that the reporter wasn't pregnant she was belittled and she did feel insulted and she spoke

01:00:05.540 out about it after the fact but blake lively couldn't be asked about the very obvious baby bump

01:00:10.400 it's called being a reporter because let me tell you when you're a reporter and there's something

01:00:13.520 glaringly obvious about the person who you're interviewing whether it's multiple nose rings or a

01:00:18.860 large baby bump you call attention to it to get it out of the audience's mind so then you can move

01:00:25.540 forward and have a real exchange and as if blake lively thinks talking about fashion is insulting

01:00:29.980 or sexist she's constantly pushing it on us on her social media she's so proud of her stupid floral 1.00

01:00:35.660 theme she's always wearing she was pissed that she got asked about her baby bump by this reporter 0.80

01:00:40.840 because she gets pissed at everything she's always the victim even when she's the one with all the power 0.54

01:00:47.940 all the money and all the ability to walk out of the interview she didn't have to agree to it by the 1.00

01:00:52.720 way she was once again effing up her promo tour so since then blake lively's been accused by many

01:00:59.560 people of bullying them including a woman named barbara susman an assistant director who worked

01:01:05.640 with lively on the set of the movie a simple favor barbara posted online that lively quote was cruel

01:01:11.980 to many on that set adding quote i cried my way home many nights because you try so hard to please

01:01:18.780 someone who is never pleased and puts you down constantly think about this blake lively's a star of

01:01:24.740 this movie this woman was the fourth ad she has no power she's low low on the totem pole she's working 1.00

01:01:31.480 her way up in hollywood and blake lively treats her like shit the mark of one's character is how you can 0.96

01:01:37.380 treat someone who can do nothing for you nothing for you somebody very wise once told me that and it's

01:01:43.320 really true and barbara said blake lively's treatment of her was the quote reason i quit being an ad

01:01:49.120 and while she did not specifically name blake lively in her posts complaining she later linked

01:01:55.040 to a perez hilton youtube post in which he surmised that barbara was indeed talking about blake

01:01:59.980 then an intern who goes by the name of e wood on the show that made lively a star gossip girl 1.00

01:02:06.800 similarly came out publicly to say that there too lively was a bully to staff and nasty to her fans to 1.00

01:02:14.940 boot noting that unlike leighton meester who would pose with for photographs with adoring fans who

01:02:20.580 came by the set lively never would here's how he put it quote i noticed a stark contrast between the

01:02:26.740 lead actresses blake often displayed mean bullying behavior disguised as jokes very passive aggressive 1.00

01:02:33.840 on the other hand leighton was consistently lovely to everyone even fans he actually gave an interview

01:02:40.320 doubling down on those allegations thing is so i saw leighton and she was very nice i just say hi

01:02:46.560 and that's it and when i saw blake i say hi she didn't reply to me i think when she saw me it was

01:02:53.600 like i'm nothing you know so she's not going to acknowledge me you know i even trying to look at

01:03:00.680 me or anything my thing was like well that's strange because i was not acting like a fan you know i was

01:03:06.780 just like doing my job and because i just saw leighton before and just say hi and she was so i don't

01:03:14.060 know like her smile and just she was just amazing like she just made the experience better when i saw 0.87

01:03:21.840 blake she was just not nice was very passive aggressive behavior the way she was talking to 1.00

01:03:27.740 other people you know it was not nice i just pretend nothing happened and you know but she was very rude 0.76

01:03:33.980 and just the way she was talking to people around you know it was just like the kind of people just

01:03:39.740 don't want to be around that kind of person just the way she was acting you know uh towards people 1.00

01:03:46.740 just the way she was talking to people the way she was she was not welcoming you know and there was

01:03:52.980 like a major difference when i saw leighton that was on the colonel kurtz k-u-r-t-z youtube channel

01:04:00.480 so maybe e wood there and barbara and the journalist uh with the baby bump maybe they were

01:04:06.860 all part of the justin baldoni smear campaign efforts which i guess we're all on the payroll

01:04:14.640 they're on the payroll and i'm on the payroll is that the theory of her case that's really what

01:04:19.340 she's going to hang her hat on in court oh and candace owens which is bullshit like candace needs to be 1.00

01:04:25.060 paid by justin baldoni to have her opinions wake up right it's so diminishing she's smart

01:04:32.800 these guys who are commenting on blake are smart yours truly has a couple of nickels to rub together

01:04:39.280 in between my ears smart enough to realize she's a liar blake lively is a narcissistic liar bully brat 0.92

01:04:49.160 that's the truth in my opinion and now we know that she harassed justin baldoni too she threatened

01:04:56.640 him that her dragons ryan ryan reynolds and taylor swift she was the mother of dragons she said

01:05:03.260 were there to be her enforcers a claim that appears to have cost her her relationship with taylor who now

01:05:08.820 reportedly wants nothing to do with blake she tried to wrest control of the movie it ends with us 0.88

01:05:14.280 from justin from the editing to the wardrobe to the writing of the script and so on and when he

01:05:19.660 failed to comply with her demands completely and totally she ginned up clearly fake allegations

01:05:25.700 against him that he harassed her and turned the cast against him that's what she did she claimed his 1.00

01:05:32.160 best friend for example was parachuted in to play the part of the ob when her character gave birth

01:05:37.280 just so that he could get a look at her lady parts during the scene which she claimed were entirely 1.00

01:05:42.740 uncovered well that man a shakespearean actor has since gone on the record saying he's an acclaimed

01:05:47.560 actor with many credits and that miss lively was fully covered in biker shorts for the scene in 1.00

01:05:52.220 question she claimed justin and his co-producer would stop by her trailer unexpectedly and watch her

01:05:57.860 breastfeed her baby against her wishes she didn't want to be so exposed then baldoni produced a text

01:06:02.600 message of hers inviting them over while she was breastfeeding some something she clearly had no problem 1.00

01:06:07.960 with she claimed that that co-producer subjected her to watching porn on the set we later found out it

01:06:14.200 was a still shot that could have been on the cover of any magazine of his wife doing a bathtub birth of

01:06:20.720 their infant with absolutely nothing x-rated about it as a motivation for the scene that she was going to

01:06:27.700 do she's a liar it's obvious we could go on but you know the truth this is yet another entitled nasty

01:06:37.420 elitist hollywood snob who thinks she's untouchable to the point where not not unlike megan and harry 0.99

01:06:44.100 who have made a career themselves out of suing members of the press who write disparaging things

01:06:48.820 about them she believes that anyone who does not worship her must be on the payroll of her enemies well

01:06:56.440 i'm not blake no one has to pay me one dime to say negative things about you i do it because i

01:07:03.780 believe them and because you really are terrible joining me now mark iglarsh mark garagos and phil

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01:07:30.220 youtube and go to mktruecrime.com to subscribe hi guys how's it going great megan why don't you

01:07:36.660 open up and tell us how you feel about live yeah really don't be the one thing that i thought of

01:07:42.740 megan as you were telling this story and in full disclosure as you disclose brian is your lawyer and

01:07:49.420 brian friedman is i count as one of my closest friends but one of the things that makes as i was

01:07:56.340 sitting here smiling as you were ranting um that makes me smile about this is people don't realize

01:08:03.680 how you came to have brian as your lawyer brian started off as representing somebody adverse to you

01:08:12.200 so it's not it's not like you came to this as oh this is my lawyer you know i'll go through wars

01:08:18.740 with him or i'm gonna i'm gonna uh burn my integrity for him you recognized his talent in a depot and said

01:08:27.600 hey i don't want to be adverse to this guy yeah i loved him right and one of my favorite stories and i

01:08:35.060 loved that and the idea to your point the idea that somehow you're going to just flush i mean people

01:08:42.560 don't remember you did practice law when i first met you you were a cub reporter but you had practiced

01:08:48.520 for 10 years and were a real lawyer you were a real lawyer at a real law firm actually too and this idea

01:08:55.440 that somehow you're going to flush all of that to be a mouthpiece or like a some kind of an influencer

01:09:01.780 is somewhat i get why you're disturbed yeah the the it's very insulting phil like to suggest that

01:09:08.880 i would first of all i i don't need money from justin baldoni okay let's just be clear i don't

01:09:14.340 need his money i don't think he has it to spare and i don't need his money and it's an insult to

01:09:19.260 me it's an insult to baldoni it's an insult to brian friedman it's an insult to candace it's an 0.89

01:09:23.840 insult to perez hilt like all these people i don't know perez in his you know situation but i i

01:09:28.940 firmly believe candace would never take money from somebody to do her reporting i would never

01:09:32.820 take money from somebody to do my reporting and this is her trying to smear to use her word 1.00

01:09:38.360 the reporters who are out there who aren't in love with her yeah i look in my opinion let's be very

01:09:46.200 clear i'm stating my opinion here uh this entire litigation train is probably being driven almost

01:09:54.660 exclusively by the attorneys who have a financial interest in the uh longevity and complexity of

01:10:02.620 this of this litigation it's almost like a class action case where the only people that benefit are

01:10:07.860 the lawyers and so look baldoni is probably being bled dry by the litigation costs and you know she's 1.00

01:10:14.240 the one that launched this whole thing with a in my opinion specious uh claim of sexual harassment

01:10:20.960 against him and now to see that she's uh extending this out and she's going after uh public figures

01:10:28.120 like you and others who have like you said come to their own conclusions about what they want to think

01:10:34.200 about her uh it just confirms my suspicions and look i'm like you there i have very low opinion of her

01:10:42.520 i i have never really known much about her until this litigation started but it didn't take me long to

01:10:49.020 reach my own conclusions and i had i didn't wasn't influenced by baldoni i'm influenced by her and

01:10:55.040 how he's behaving in this case it has nothing to do with him and if and honestly if there's anybody

01:11:01.040 that i care less about than blake lively it might be her husband ryan reynolds these people have zero

01:11:08.840 impact on my day-to-day life i don't even think about them unless or until somebody's talking about

01:11:14.260 this litigation uh in the media and so it just has this unseemly air about the whole thing and

01:11:21.180 quite frankly uh i'm ready for this litigation to be done with but apparently it's going to be dragged

01:11:26.220 out as long as it possibly can yeah friedman just took her deposition at the end of uh july or early 0.81

01:11:33.020 august mark you're you're known at least to me for defending the little guy and like people who don't

01:11:40.660 have a lot like you'll step in and help them that that's the thing that's really galling to me about

01:11:45.440 this is it's like one thing to come after me obviously i've got good lawyers i did not use

01:11:49.140 brian on this because he's already involved in this case but i did hire a lawyer and it did cost me

01:11:53.920 some money and we made sure that i was protected and with that we gave her the middle finger um

01:11:59.080 but there are you know social media influencers who are just starting out their online careers who have

01:12:06.640 no money and wouldn't know the first place to call to get a lawyer who could defend them on this kind

01:12:12.320 of a subpoena that comes from these powerful law firms who then are trying to bully them more than

01:12:17.800 one has gotten a motion to compel after they've said i'm not giving you this and by the way like

01:12:23.220 just the obvious infringement if just because you're a social media influence influencer doesn't

01:12:27.080 mean that you don't have a first amendment protection in dealing with sourcing which she's 0.82

01:12:31.100 trying to probe at she wants to know people's sources and see communications with sources

01:12:34.420 just the overreach and again the bullying nature of it is offensive this would be one of those cases

01:12:40.520 i'm glad you brought it up that i would say if somebody called me they didn't have the money i

01:12:44.460 would consider assisting them for free because it is distasteful now i don't feel the same way you

01:12:50.880 guys do as of yet i don't judge these people individually i don't know them at all um i also do not

01:12:57.160 know fully the merits of what she's alleging or not i can tell you however that some of the things

01:13:05.000 that she did allege we've discussed on this um program a number of times um how it's not necessarily

01:13:11.160 supported by the evidence and that all you need to do like like garagos and i do and phil does in in

01:13:17.160 the criminal arena is create reasonable doubt i don't know that you need to take every single thing

01:13:22.860 that she's alleging and disprove it a couple of things are clear or they're not you'll have the

01:13:28.720 footage of what occurred during shoots to undermine some of the things that she's alleging and i think

01:13:33.740 we've already done that on this show so my concern legally is that what's being alleged isn't necessarily

01:13:40.100 supported by the evidence final point then i want to move on mark garagos how many public figures have

01:13:46.660 you represented when you are famous people are going to write and think and feel negative things

01:13:55.520 about you it comes with the job the the nerve i mean in this way it really didn't remind me of harry

01:14:02.200 and megan to try to go around whack-a-mole and harass like these and i don't mean this insultingly but

01:14:09.620 like low level social media influencers some of whom had under 40 followers by dragging them into

01:14:17.180 court to try to intimidate them after uh into not saying negative things about you is as petty as it

01:14:24.440 gets the true stars know this and would never dream of bothering the press in this manner to try to

01:14:33.440 scare them into not saying anything about the star in the future so funny you say that because i've

01:14:40.940 been thinking about this case and when i heard phil talking about the lawyers i don't think this is as

01:14:46.820 much lawyer driven as pr flack driven and i mean that in a negative sense because pr flacks i think are

01:14:55.400 one of the the they're worse than pi lawyers so the the problem with this case and what's going on here

01:15:04.980 is precisely what you've said you've got people who are have very thin skin don't understand what i tell

01:15:11.820 most of my clients just keep your head down for 96 hours and somebody else is going to do something

01:15:16.940 more stupid and nobody's going to did and so just haters are going to hate forget about it you don't need 0.84

01:15:23.940 to engage unless and until somebody gets you know somebody gets traction and there's you know when

01:15:30.740 that happens you understand when there's a critical mass and then you take action but otherwise this is

01:15:37.340 so petty to your point and it's so driven by pr people and their kind of nonsense calculations that

01:15:45.800 that to me is what's driving this and not so much the lawyer megan can i ask you a question just to

01:15:51.420 keep it balanced okay at the risk of anybody yelling at me are you certain that nobody was paid

01:15:59.320 for their criticism and if you're not certain don't her lawyers have an obligation to explore

01:16:07.220 and potentially not necessarily you but others and see whether there's any evidence that corroborates

01:16:13.840 that this was exactly what they alleged no because it's throwing darts at a board it'd be one thing if

01:16:18.580 they had a basis for it someone gave them a tip that's my question no as far as i know there's zero

01:16:24.440 basis for this there's zero good faith basis to alleges you'd have to have a tip you know like hey i

01:16:30.420 heard it that you know joe schmo is getting paid by baldoni for the i don't as far as i am aware and

01:16:35.480 i've been following the coverage of this there's not even a hint of an allegation along those lines

01:16:38.580 go ahead mark i was just gonna say and by the way mark the it's a frustration do you know how many

01:16:44.940 times in a criminal defense case i've wanted to pierce source criticism because i know that it's

01:16:52.360 law enforcement who's doing it but you can't do it it's there it's a wall that's it sorry that's

01:16:58.880 the point's been made if there's no good faith basis to believe that someone's been paid then

01:17:02.740 yeah even if there is there's nothing you can do no because we're reporters like she wanted all you

01:17:09.600 know whenever i get ready for a show when i got ready for the show right i get a packet it's got a

01:17:13.860 bunch of information it's very thorough and detailed my team goes through document after

01:17:18.280 document should try to condense it so that we can do an orderly segment and you guys know because

01:17:22.700 when it's a legal segment we'll usually give it to the lawyers too so you have all the factual

01:17:26.480 background i have and uh it's i would i mean i'm proud of it i've i very few people are this thorough

01:17:32.760 in their preparation for their new show stuff pretty lengthy yeah it is so we we're very serious about

01:17:38.280 it and we try to make it fair little too lengthy out of every show that i've ever done over

01:17:43.600 whatever number of years your packets are yes away the best and i think anybody would have

01:17:49.320 i mean i thank you well they're certainly the thickest and they're the best too so but my point

01:17:54.420 is simply like okay so now if if what she basically wanted was for any segment that in which i spoke

01:18:00.700 about her like my interviews of brian friedman or what have you she wanted everything she wanted the 1.00

01:18:04.780 emails between me and my team she wanted the briefs or the the packets she like hell no the drafts of 1.00

01:18:10.760 the packets in my team you know our discussions about how it went absolutely not the nerve of

01:18:16.700 this woman to think that i would ever turn that over or allow my team to turn it over just shows 1.00

01:18:20.940 you the hubris that comes from being like this hollywood star like you know what you're up against

01:18:26.160 it now sweetheart because i will fight you i will fight i'll spend tons of money it'll be my pleasure

01:18:31.240 to spend tons of money fighting you and turning you into a loser which is what happened here

01:18:36.920 um okay moving on the brian kohlberger cases had some extraordinary reveals in the past week

01:18:43.860 including the body cam worn by the officers when they showed up at the king road house

01:18:50.840 right after they got called 9-1-1 got called by you recall it was the friend of um the surviving

01:18:58.420 roommate the surviving roommates were bethany funk and dylan mortensen they called a friend

01:19:02.240 he came over with uh his other friend and they discovered the bodies and got the two girls out

01:19:09.360 and then the cop showed up wearing body cam and for the first time we see one of the main

01:19:15.580 people in this case dylan mortensen who's the only one who laid eyes on the killer

01:19:19.820 um who we now know as brian kohlberger by his own admission moments after he committed the murders

01:19:25.620 he was walking out of their house and she opened her bedroom door for i think the fourth time

01:19:30.520 and laid eyes right on him and he kept going but she was the one who said he had bushy eyebrows

01:19:36.360 described his build and that he was wearing some sort of a mask so here she is on camera and then

01:19:40.920 she did not call the cops for another eight hours which became very controversial here she is on

01:19:45.500 camera talking to the cops in stop 33 what do you remember seeing what started i remember um i was in my

01:19:54.500 room and i was trying to go to bed and i heard kaylee who um ex-girlfriend all i heard was i heard her go 0.61

01:20:01.500 upstairs like okay i'm gonna go to sleep now because she's going upstairs and you heard who go upstairs

01:20:05.500 kaylee and the dog murphy and then ultimately her walking up i heard her scream and she ran upstairs 0.69

01:20:10.920 because she saw someone that's what i'm pretty sure she said she's once here and she screamed and

01:20:16.700 just ran downstairs and i called for her name but i jumped up and locked my door because i was so scared

01:20:21.520 um and then and i heard someone in the bathroom when i heard her crying and i heard some guys say

01:20:27.920 that you're gonna be okay i'm gonna help you and i kept calling her name but she wasn't answering

01:20:32.120 and then i opened the door for a second and i saw this guy and he was not insanely tall but he's

01:20:37.960 wearing all black and like this mask which is covering his forehead and his mouth and i locked the

01:20:43.080 door and i called and i didn't know what to do this was this was at four yes okay and then i just ran

01:20:48.860 down you left you left here i left my room down to she's that one with the white blinds at the

01:20:54.680 very bottom i ran down there and we talked and i just we just locked the door we didn't think

01:20:59.320 anything of it we're like nothing happens in moscow so we just like try to go to bed and then we woke

01:21:03.200 up and it was weird because none of our roommates were up and we called all of them they were not

01:21:07.560 waking up and to mean like this is weird so i called and come over and then that's when all this

01:21:14.040 happened phil holloway the thing that jumped out at me and that was how much more aware she was of

01:21:23.320 the danger than we were led to believe by the police affidavit you know which made it sound like

01:21:29.660 frozen frozen shock phase upon seeing someone in the house then kind of went catatonic for eight hours

01:21:36.960 then called police i'm not blaming dylan mortensen to be clear this poor girl's been through hell

01:21:42.120 but it was shocking to me to see how fearful she was the whole time and yet didn't call cops until

01:21:49.540 noon the next day and the murders and the encounter happened right after 4 a.m

01:21:54.320 yeah that that video and the others are you know some of the most gut-wrenching body camera videos

01:22:00.240 that that i've ever seen in my practice i and i'm sure that both marks here as well as you megan none of

01:22:06.300 us are strangers to looking at police body camera video but this stuff is so so compelling because

01:22:12.100 it illustrates the just enormous sadness of the of the whole case and for anyone who's been living

01:22:19.120 under a rock until this afternoon what we now know of course is that brian koburger's defense team

01:22:25.800 they're the ones that made a plea offer to the prosecutor to take the death penalty off the table

01:22:31.120 in exchange for a guilty plea and of course the prosecutor accepted koburger's offer and that's

01:22:37.160 where we are no wonder he pled guilty because he knew that when a jury saw that and some of the other

01:22:44.020 very compelling stuff they would have the emotional reaction that i know i'm having and i think most

01:22:49.720 people who have a soul have when they see this kind of thing um and it it just illustrates how

01:22:56.720 you know the the just the utter evilness of the case and i i keep going back and i hate to be

01:23:05.500 i keep going back why why is the death penalty off the table but i don't know i i again i don't blame

01:23:12.300 dylan mortensen even one bit for this crime or anything they were not savable the four victims were

01:23:18.100 not savable if she had called 9-1-1 you know five minutes after it doesn't seem like they would have

01:23:23.160 been saved they were so extremely attacked and brutalized but it is at odds somewhat garagos with

01:23:30.900 what we read in the police affidavit like i can't kind of get past the disparity well you know it's a

01:23:37.720 really good point but it also i think clarifies and amplifies something that i've always argued in a

01:23:45.680 different context there is no playbook there is no way that you are you can say people should react

01:23:53.400 you can have now a you can look at this after the fact and you can say she was shell-shocked or

01:24:00.940 there they didn't understand and when the enormity of it kind of clicked that then there was that

01:24:08.360 emotional reaction that's always been when people point to somebody and i've been on the receiving end

01:24:15.260 of a client who didn't act right i always my retort is i don't know how you're supposed to act i don't

01:24:22.620 know what was going through their minds at the point and how they had grappled with it and it works

01:24:28.600 for virtually everybody nobody nobody reacts the same way at any to any same stimuli you refer there

01:24:36.060 to scott peterson i assume because we've discussed that and i know you see i was not thinking i was not

01:24:40.780 thinking that megan but okay it also applies to him i think you'd say i knew you would default to that

01:24:46.600 okay wait i want to show you another clip and then i'll bring you in iglarsh here uh is more

01:24:52.080 of the police interviewing dylan mortensen in sat 35

01:24:55.340 i heard her scream and run like run as fast as she could downstairs and she said someone's here

01:25:01.460 and then i heard murphy barking a lot okay and then i heard her going to the i think it was the 1.00

01:25:09.220 bathroom and i remember her sobbing and i just remember hearing this guy's voice and i didn't

01:25:13.480 recognize saying you're going to be okay i'm going to help you but it wasn't like i don't know how to

01:25:17.380 explain it like it wasn't in like a nice way it was like a weird way like a weird tone so then i opened

01:25:23.320 up the door to look and that's when i saw the guy pass by he looked at me but he didn't come towards

01:25:27.820 me or say anything which was really confusing to me i don't i don't understand that and i'm pretty

01:25:32.660 sure he went out the side door and then i called and said she thought maybe there was a fire or like

01:25:40.380 a firework we didn't know we heard this she heard this loud noise and there was a light i guess um

01:25:46.040 and that's when i called me and i told her can i i need to come to your room because she was the only

01:25:50.460 one that was answering me so i just ran down there and for a second i stopped and i saw it zanna

01:25:55.580 passed out and i thought maybe she was just like sleeping or something i didn't think anything

01:25:59.400 because i was so out of it and i went into the room and we just fell asleep okay so there's a lot

01:26:05.600 in there mark iglars including she heard screaming she heard one of her roommates scream she heard

01:26:12.080 sobbing she saw that there was a strange man in the home wearing a mask she called the other roommate

01:26:18.800 they blank out the the name there but she's saying bethany the other surviving roommate she called

01:26:24.720 her she was scared enough she called the other surviving roommate who said maybe i i thought i

01:26:29.340 saw like a firework inside and then she saw zanna down post attack she said she thought she was passed

01:26:36.820 out or that she dylan was out of it i i guess i just don't i i still wrestle with how how could you

01:26:45.140 hear your roommates screaming and sobbing and see one down and not call sooner i'm not blaming i just

01:26:52.000 genuinely i'm searching megan okay so first i agree with phil this would have been a compelling witness

01:26:57.520 if this went to trial um and who knows what would have happened there but i start the analysis with

01:27:03.820 this could be my daughter i have i have three kids one just graduated from college two are in college

01:27:09.360 so this could be my daughter and so my daughter could be on megan kelly's show and all these networks 0.59

01:27:14.540 and now being analyzed by all of you substituting what you think you would have done in that scenario

01:27:20.620 and you're well intended but i sure know if this is my daughter or this girl in particular she's well

01:27:27.140 intended and she did the best she could at her level of awareness at that moment and just like

01:27:32.480 gergo said there's no typical way to act it's really problematic as a defense lawyer as a father as a

01:27:38.560 human being to continue to hear people say well they should have done this they could have done this

01:27:43.060 without ever really hearing what they were going through and or ever being in that particular

01:27:48.460 abhorrent scenario the worst moment of your life being questioned by law enforcement i praise her

01:27:55.180 for having the courage to to answer the questions to help out with this investigation and nothing that

01:28:00.320 she did was nefarious in any way but what about suggested it was scott peterson's nefarious no one's

01:28:07.000 suggesting it's nefarious so i and you can save your umbrage and outrage um no one's suggesting it is

01:28:12.120 there's a very odd situation here where she was way more upset and she heard a lot more than the

01:28:18.580 police had revealed to us in that affidavit she was much more aware that there was danger in the

01:28:23.060 house than what do you think ever been told before what do you think it was megan so it's a fair

01:28:26.780 question to say why is that why didn't the cops reveal more of that why did they try to keep that

01:28:33.120 out of the public eye and i'll tell you what that has done this is not a megan kelly theory nor do i

01:28:38.920 subscribe to it but you take 30 seconds and google her name online you've got half the internet thinking

01:28:44.780 she knew more that she's she wasn't in on it but that she knew more about it than was previously

01:28:50.440 revealed i don't believe that but i do think it's odd that the cops did not disclose any of that to us

01:28:56.080 and now we learn when the case is all over that she heard screaming and sobbing and ran for it and all

01:29:01.200 that go ahead phil police police reports are usually i mean i've never seen one in my entire

01:29:06.000 career that had uh everything that should have been in there in there and on the other hand as

01:29:11.140 when i put my former police officer hat on uh sometimes i don't want to put things in a written

01:29:16.300 narrative that i know is going to be part of the larger case file uh because i'll tell you why they

01:29:21.120 didn't put it in that to the public i accept that but i think they didn't put it in there because

01:29:24.580 it doesn't make dylan look very good because they they knew that people would say she was

01:29:29.060 she heard screaming she heard sobbing and she saw xanakronodal down on the floor she was scared

01:29:34.840 enough and then she laid eyes on an intruder she was scared enough to run to the other room

01:29:38.320 roommate's room and they still didn't call 911 for eight hours it's odd we are allowed to ask

01:29:45.460 questions about how that could happen it doesn't mean i'm certainly not saying she had anything to

01:29:49.220 do with it it's a very odd thing that's just been revealed about this case and we've been covering

01:29:53.820 this case closely so i make no apologies for discussing it all right we're gonna move on to the

01:29:58.020 yeah go ahead i'm just gonna say i think both of you're right i think phil is right when he says

01:30:03.200 from the police officer perspective they're not going to put something in there that is going to

01:30:07.680 undercut somebody who's in her position and i think from your standpoint absolutely it's odd and that

01:30:13.900 probably supports what phil did a savvy police officer knows why am i going to highlight this for a

01:30:20.460 defense lawyer to point out the fact that she should have done it and in her defense who knows what went

01:30:26.020 through her mind and whether she had some other issue uh the night before i don't necessarily went

01:30:32.600 into shock or something there is an explanation there that we don't have that would help allay

01:30:38.980 everyone's concerns and megan i'm not blaming you for asking the question i just i'm frustrated because

01:30:43.140 then the internet and everybody then just criticizes this poor young girl in the worst state but by the 0.98

01:30:50.100 way megan asked the same question any lawyer would and i understand megan's okay with it i'm all right

01:30:55.100 with megan asking the question well i'll say this i think she's also disadvantaged here because

01:31:00.060 clearly when she's being interviewed by the cop she now knows they're dead and so you know in the

01:31:07.560 moment she hears the stuff she's confused she doesn't know you know you're you're not thinking

01:31:12.000 everyone's dead in my home you know you're thinking oh i'm being an alarmist i'm sure it's fine it's a

01:31:16.920 college house people are in and out of it who knows whether somebody's hooking up right so now

01:31:22.120 it's the next morning and the slow build has crescendoed to where like the friend comes over

01:31:27.660 he rushes them out of the house they call the cops the cops get there they she hears them talking about

01:31:31.560 four bodies i mean you know that's the state in which they finally got to her to for some questions

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01:36:14.700 we'll drop a sod in here i just think it's very relevant maybe you want to object because it's too

01:36:19.920 relevant too powerful and too damaging to your client maybe that's why it's just speculation i

01:36:24.840 mean it you know it can be damaging but the jury's going to mistake that for something else something

01:36:28.980 actual real evidence which they just haven't shown at this point especially with that witness we are

01:36:34.120 going to talk about the trial of donald adonna adelson it's happening in florida right now but i do

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01:37:05.740 real analysis from actual trial lawyers like these guys thanks all uh for coming back on all right so

01:37:11.920 in a nutshell this case is about we talked about this with dave erenberg and others not long ago

01:37:16.780 but he knew the the victim um so it's kind of interesting dan markell it was about a a guy who

01:37:23.540 lived in florida who was married his name was dan he was married to wendy they got a divorce wendy

01:37:27.860 really wanted to move to a different part of florida south florida or she was there up in 1.00

01:37:32.280 tallahassee and she wanted to move down south to like a miami area and dan did not want her to go

01:37:36.820 because they have two kids and he wanted to be with his kids and her parents were down there including

01:37:41.560 her mother donna and donna really wanted the grandkids by her next thing you know dan winds 0.93

01:37:46.460 up dead no bueno turns out there were two hit men who were hired to do the job and um it was a woman

01:37:56.620 who hired them that woman and the hit men have all been convicted that woman's connection to the

01:38:03.620 family was she had worked for remember wendy is the one who's in the divorce with the decedent the

01:38:11.180 victim wendy's brother wendy's brother employed the woman who hired the hit men so the allegation is

01:38:18.800 that wendy's brother is guilty by the way he went to jail the hit man hit men are guilty they went to

01:38:25.460 jail and so is the woman who worked for the brother who found the hit men all in jail however the

01:38:32.080 prosecution alleges like the kingpin or pins queen pins behind the whole thing remain free and they're

01:38:40.160 starting with the grandma which is of the two little boys which is wendy's mom donna and wendy could be

01:38:47.820 going down soon too we'll get to that but first we're starting with donna who's on trial now in 1.00

01:38:53.840 florida where mark eichlarsh is and thanks to the florida sunshine law we get to see it all i just want

01:39:01.380 to show the audience a couple things donna adelson is sitting there at at defense table crying she's doing 1.00

01:39:09.280 a lot of crying all right now maybe maybe there is crying in criminal defense but this judge does not

01:39:16.200 seem to want it eichlarsh i'm just going to show a little bit of the crying in uh sat 37

01:39:20.860 why did you take this photograph for the darkened area on his forearm why was that of significance

01:39:28.660 uh that is consistent with stippling what is stippling stippling is being close contact to

01:39:36.240 a firearm that was discharged and it's going to be the unburnt gunpowder and gases that leave the

01:39:44.560 barrel of a gun at a high velocity and it will tattoo or stain the skin states exhibit 24 please just to

01:39:51.740 let the audience know that we can wrap that we showed um donna adelson with her eyes closed shaking her 0.99

01:39:58.040 head putting her hand up over her mouth like no no she's clearly either crying or fake crying

01:40:02.420 and um they were describing the victim's injuries which according to the prosecution she caused so

01:40:08.580 the crying seems a little off and the judge judge everett everett did not like it sat 38

01:40:16.380 this is adelson when the testimony is occurring or the evidence i know you may have a natural reaction

01:40:24.240 but as best possible you need to control your reactions concerning any head movements any

01:40:31.000 expressions of disagreement or any emotional outburst the jury must decide this matter on the

01:40:36.960 merits on the evidence do you understand this very well i do not wish to do this in front of the jurors

01:40:44.220 at all but it's very important that you are able to control your emotions do you understand what i'm saying

01:40:49.300 he gave her the stop crying or i'll give you something to cry about line that my mom used to 1.00

01:40:55.880 give me in the 1970s yeah well worth it i mean listen the trials are not necessarily about the truth

01:41:02.020 trials are about theater and if you can have your client testify without testifying what she's doing

01:41:08.480 is she's saying i feel so horrible this is horrible what happened to my brother-in-law here's the problem

01:41:14.740 i would nudge her and say stop son-in-law this is this is not the message that you want to convey

01:41:20.780 no one's buying it we know the facts show that you didn't like him you were talking crap about him

01:41:28.920 he then went to court and there was a pending motion where he was trying to keep the kids from her

01:41:34.480 so she didn't like him stop acting like you're sad that he's gone you're thrilled

01:41:40.480 now whether you're paid meryl it's not selling different issue right no not a good act and it

01:41:46.680 doesn't make sense and it doesn't fit the evidence crocodile here is here's one other thing robert

01:41:52.180 adelson is not that son there's robert there's uh wendy and then there's the son i'm forgetting his

01:41:59.520 first name yeah then there's then there's charlie charlie's the one who's in jail for finding the

01:42:06.940 woman who found the hitman but there's the estranged son robert who parachutes into the case

01:42:12.440 and gives testimony for the prosecution talking about his discussion with his mother the defendant

01:42:20.020 donna who is not really all that interested in finding her son-in-law dan's killer listen here

01:42:26.860 sat 46 did donna adelson seem curious about who killed dan markell no did she was there a complete 0.88

01:42:37.340 lack of curiosity yeah nobody seemed curious um did you actually ever ask her like after the murder

01:42:46.520 like hey like what do you think happened what do you yeah and you know the conversations were

01:42:53.240 kind of rerouted or that was certainly discouraged and it was probably like um maybe sometime like

01:43:00.280 mid-august you know when i finally had a chance to ask and say you know what is going on this was not

01:43:05.320 you know a small event this was getting a lot of notoriety um and i said you know what do you guys

01:43:10.800 think happened um and she had said you know i don't know and i don't care it doesn't concern me

01:43:17.060 oh boy all right well those tears those tears make sense then really come on she felt deeply

01:43:25.840 garicos that was that was meaningful getting the other brother that's a win for the prosecution

01:43:30.620 yeah but um i i'm going to dial back for a second i have been in a courtroom i can't tell you how many

01:43:39.620 times countless times where i have reacted myself even though i counseled the client not to

01:43:46.060 where i'll either roll my eyes or i'll look like oh come on something like that i understand from a

01:43:52.980 judge's standpoint i thought his admonition there to her was completely appropriate because he said

01:43:58.800 yeah it was gentle yes gentle he didn't i assume that was not in front of the jury i don't know

01:44:04.760 wasn't no it wasn't um i i'm not as hard-boiled as all of you are if somebody may not have particularly

01:44:14.340 liked what they were doing but reacts to being confronted with it i think there is an innocent

01:44:20.960 explanation for that and she could be emotional and i don't know i think i speak for you when i say

01:44:26.720 we object to being called hard-boiled i think we are we are soft-boiled we're soft-boiled maybe

01:44:32.300 occasionally scrambled so garagos does not think the judge was being particularly hard on her it's fine

01:44:38.800 okay we moved on but the prosecution is bit by bit making its case that that donna adelson while

01:44:45.560 she sits there oh boohoo is really a cold-blooded killer who thought nothing of taking out her son-in-law 1.00

01:44:51.560 dan just so she could get the grandkids and her daughter wendy to come live with her mark garagos 0.94

01:44:56.480 i'll let you make a point on that well just make i'll make one point um and my father used to say

01:45:04.500 if they've got a great case they want state prison if they've got no case they want a year in jail

01:45:12.980 if they've if you're factually innocent they offer you time served what's my point they offered her

01:45:19.060 time served in this case how how how much do you think they really believe in their case if they're

01:45:25.980 offering her time served and she turned it down i heard that wasn't true mark i don't know that that's

01:45:30.560 i'm not sure that's unconfirmed i've heard denied it the opposite and that doesn't make sense

01:45:35.040 well i know it doesn't make sense but a lot of this case doesn't make sense and i've heard the

01:45:40.780 exact opposite that they did make that offer well here's the thing you you pissed him off garagos 0.80

01:45:46.520 with that with the hard-boiled remark that you started it and now you're gonna have to deal

01:45:51.000 with it just like i've had to deal with it for 20 years time served in a murder case raw so

01:45:55.920 no one's offering yeah well look here's here's the thing they've well they've they've explicitly

01:46:01.000 denied that they made that offer but you know who knows but here's here's the big problem that i see

01:46:06.340 with the case uh the defense in my opinion is making a mistake by not leaning into something known as

01:46:14.940 being an accessory after the fact the charging document the indictment in this case charges her

01:46:20.380 with soliciting the murder with uh entering into a conspiracy for the murder and as a party to the

01:46:26.900 crime or a conspirator being a principal so she's charged with literally pulling the trigger although

01:46:31.700 it's not exactly what it means so they didn't charge her with any crimes uh pertaining to anything

01:46:37.460 she may have done to conceal a conspiracy after the fact which is what the evidence right now i think

01:46:44.380 is very compelling she was in it up to her eyeballs we're starting to see through some wiretaps and

01:46:50.600 conversations some other things we're starting to see some evidence that may suggest that she knew about

01:46:55.860 it and participated in it was part of the conspiracy beforehand but the prosecutor because they didn't charge

01:47:01.940 her with any after the fact type of crimes uh leaves open the possibility for the defense to say you know

01:47:08.280 what they're right our client donna was in it up to her eyeballs she's guilty of of helping her kids 1.00

01:47:15.360 kind of cover up this thing but she's not charged with that so you've got to find her not guilty

01:47:20.440 uh there is a you know a method to what the prosecution is doing they're working their way

01:47:26.100 backwards to her they got the two hit men they got catherine mcbenoit who is the go-between which by

01:47:31.620 the way she didn't actually work for charlie she was well she worked under charlie in a sense but

01:47:36.860 she wasn't working for charlie she was she was yeah but but but donna was the one writing the 0.99

01:47:43.140 checks donna was the one writing the checks for the business uh even though bill is establishing a 0.73

01:47:48.620 chicken or egg scenario yeah so they're going backwards and and now they you know they're they

01:47:53.560 got the easier people and now they're working on donna which is a little bit uh tougher not to

01:47:58.520 crack and then if they can get donna i think they're going to go to uh wendy next that's who they want 0.91

01:48:05.360 phil just did something that the defense didn't do an opening he gave a theory now listen i don't

01:48:12.000 like to be hard on defense lawyers but i will likely play the defense opening in my law school class next

01:48:18.300 wednesday and say okay you see what she did don't do that and by that i mean there was such a lack of

01:48:26.600 passion for every action there's a reaction if you really believe that your client is snow white

01:48:31.920 innocent you're being paid to say that she is then get up there and feel it so what's going on

01:48:37.600 is your client is being stripped of her liberty while she was going to vacation or relocate to a

01:48:42.840 to a nice place and would have come back if needed but whatever whatever theory you advance for that

01:48:48.340 she was fleeing for the members of the audience who haven't followed she was fleeing and got caught by

01:48:52.360 cops but but that she's innocent and look what they're doing and how dare they do that i know when

01:48:57.420 both these guys that i'm on the panel with get up there and defend someone they have the passion and

01:49:02.500 energy that mirrors the feeling inside that that is an innocent person and they should never be there

01:49:08.740 that woman got up there and with utmost love and respect this former judge who left in disgrace i don't

01:49:13.840 know exactly why but this former judge got up there and it did not seem to match the energy that you

01:49:19.780 should have when you have an innocent client nope well here's here's what they are doing so they're

01:49:24.940 the defense is interestingly this is the defense this is donna seeming to point to wendy like they 0.96

01:49:32.680 actually do seem to be pointing to the daughter wendy which is new because so far they've been a united

01:49:37.080 front there's been no daylight between donna the grandma and wendy the mother of the two little

01:49:43.580 children who you know is we believe possibly behind this thing though hasn't been charged in any way

01:49:48.900 um and so so far they've been united but in this trial now we're seeing as donna's really getting

01:49:54.860 you know her freedom questioned here and possibly on the line that her defense lawyers are going 1.00

01:49:59.960 after wendy here's a taste of that um because wendy did take the stand donna has not yet taken the 1.00

01:50:05.160 stand but the daughter wendy she took the stand and here's top 42 he's not here to give them advice

01:50:11.080 he is not he can't come to any of their functions sports anything else correct they're not eating kosher

01:50:18.320 like they would have with their father they are not they don't have him at all they don't have him

01:50:24.300 in their lives day to day no because on july the 18th of 2014 he was brutally murdered in his driveway

01:50:30.840 isn't that true that is true and you testified on direct that anybody in your family that had

01:50:36.800 anything to do with it should be held responsible isn't that correct yes and that includes you doesn't

01:50:42.180 anyone anyone who's responsible that's the defense that's not the prosecution that's the defense going

01:50:49.460 after her yeah so what you know in other words well no it's what is that really yeah but what is

01:50:54.720 that gonna throw the daughter wendy down the river well of course first of all they haven't spoken in

01:50:59.560 two years secondly she's looking at the rest of her life in prison she's gonna do whatever she can

01:51:05.120 and later say by the way no offense i needed to do that to get out of this thing so that's that's not

01:51:09.600 abnormal up the river under a down under a bus that's how you throw people you under the bus

01:51:16.360 and up the river i don't know what kind of an egg that makes her i know it's hard it's hard okay 0.95

01:51:24.240 wait i want to play another one here because um there is let's see this is the prosecution now they

01:51:30.320 had a shot at wendy too and this was sought 40 take a listen here at the time of dan markell's murder

01:51:38.460 was the defendant your mother very angry at dan markell

01:51:42.140 before he died yes ma'am yes and you hated him too right at certain points i was very frustrated

01:51:53.380 with him did you refer to him as an std

01:51:56.860 i don't remember saying that tab five looks like i made that analogy

01:52:04.620 danny is an std one wrong mistake marrying him and this will never go away is that what you said 0.87

01:52:11.900 i did and did you share that kind of sentiment with your mother

01:52:14.620 i don't remember ever saying that so i don't think it's something i said very often did you ever refer

01:52:21.100 to your ex-husband as the dark lord i don't remember saying that but i certainly might have

01:52:28.540 did you refer to your ex-husband as gibbers i did what is the meaning of gibbers

01:52:35.420 gibbers was just a silly name that a friend helped me come up with to basically make him feel less scary

01:52:44.860 it was nonsense all right so there you have the prosecution trying to get wendy on record

01:52:53.180 with all the terrible things she said about dan is that the worst thing you've ever heard in a divorce

01:52:59.820 he's an std that is that is literally so tame in most divorces i can't even tell you he's because

01:53:06.860 there was a lot more than that mark i mean what a joke those two the mother and that daughter 0.78

01:53:11.580 spent hours trashing that guy come on i know the culture i know what's going on std was the nicest

01:53:18.060 thing she said about him it's precisely why i don't do family law it's a right name calling yelling

01:53:24.700 and people on their worst behavior so well i see that as a twofer because that's the prosecution

01:53:29.500 questioning is you both get wendy to say she thought he was a jerk and you get her to say i told my mom i

01:53:34.780 thought he was a jerk so everybody was getting the same messaging around him last one uh one of the two

01:53:40.940 guys who actually committed the murder luis riviera he testified and this is the defense again the

01:53:47.580 defense for donna questioning him in sat 39 then i said if you would put the number five next to the

01:53:54.780 lady that wanted the man killed and did you do that yes i did and was that with wendy adelson yes i did

01:54:01.340 then i ask you if the two people on the top of the page who have uh their pictures there and the names

01:54:07.180 donald i mean uh donna edelson and harvey edelson you see those on the top yes ma'am i ask you as

01:54:14.060 far as you know were they involved in any of this and you said no correct yes ma'am so i ask you to

01:54:18.540 put x's next to the people who on that page were not involved in this yes ma'am and you did that yes i did

01:54:24.060 thank you

01:54:27.340 so there he is phil saying that donna was not involved so i got some frustration with that bit of

01:54:33.500 that testimony because this guy rivera in the past he's always referred to as the lady okay back in

01:54:40.220 tallahassee who you know who didn't want the kids to go to south florida he's never identified that

01:54:46.060 person as being wendy and so he also has stated many times that you know he wasn't personally in

01:54:53.500 communication with anybody other than his uh the other hit man who was in touch with katie mcbanlaw the

01:55:00.220 go-between uh and so i have a problem with how he knows this information it looks like it was wendy

01:55:08.060 wendy's the one who wanted dan killed yeah it looks like he's speculating it looks like he might be uh

01:55:13.820 guessing a little bit we don't know the basis of that knowledge and none of the lawyers the

01:55:18.300 prosecutors didn't uh redirect him on that they didn't drill down and try to say okay is it possible

01:55:24.140 you could be wrong about her what is the basis of this knowledge and there was it was just kind of

01:55:29.100 left hanging out there so i was very frustrated just to be clear i'm going to give you the floor

01:55:32.460 eiglars but just to be clear again for the audience this is the defense of donna pointing the finger

01:55:37.180 through the actual hitman at someone else namely wendy who's donna's daughter like wendy's the one who

01:55:42.940 wanted this murder not donna she was just the grandma go ahead eiglars phil is absolutely right 0.73

01:55:48.780 the prosecution should have really gotten in there to explain you don't know who paid this whole thing 0.97

01:55:55.340 and and what donna's involvement was but you've got to admit and this is probably probably part of

01:56:01.180 phil's frustration it was very effective you know as much as i criticized that opening and the lack of

01:56:06.860 passion this was very effective to have someone a main player in here cross off donna as one of the 0.81

01:56:14.540 persons involved in this scheme granted it's got a lot of holes swiss cheese but it's great theatrics it's

01:56:21.020 great for court reasonable doubt i mean it's got two reasonable interpretations one that points

01:56:27.260 towards innocence yes he had strong how how without a foundation that he knows but then nobody questioned

01:56:35.500 that that's the point no right but you can make it you can make the point in closing megan a lot of

01:56:40.380 jurors are not very bright a lot of them are not they need to be dragged right to that water go ahead

01:56:45.340 right ones might say why didn't they drill down on it what was what were they right i think they

01:56:51.340 called him by surprise i guess yeah i don't think they were ready for it but they should have been

01:56:55.900 ready for it because there was a you know they in florida unlike uh many states like in georgia where

01:57:01.260 i practice we don't have the ability to take pretrial depositions in criminal cases in florida they

01:57:06.620 went down and deposed this guy several months ago and they created their own chart and says okay uh cross

01:57:12.540 out anybody that wasn't involved and they and he apparently put an x over uh donna adelson and he

01:57:18.780 he went all in on it being wendy as being the mastermind again i i don't know what caused his

01:57:25.420 his change in testimony from being the lady to specifically naming wendy but hopefully the

01:57:31.980 prosecution will bring that back it's something i think they need to clean up before closing argument

01:57:36.140 all right so let me before i let you go how's it going like do we think this is inching toward a

01:57:41.740 conviction or no let's go down the line too early too early i mean there's enough there there's a lot

01:57:46.700 of little you know uh motive a lot of good motive here but we're not there the prosecution rested their

01:57:52.380 case today i would be yelling in spite of me believing that she's guilty that that an acquittal is is

01:57:57.420 required by law okay how about you gargos i i'm not in that courtroom and like i say all trials are

01:58:06.220 won or lost in jury selection so i would have to see the jurors but i will tell you if i thought

01:58:13.180 that i had the jury that i wanted if i had a couple of people and all you need is one or two who are not

01:58:19.660 going to be buying what the prosecution's selling because they've been through a bad divorce or they've

01:58:24.780 had kind of animus within their family and i heard that um uh so-called hit man whatever you want to call

01:58:32.060 him uh say that it wasn't her i don't know how you lose that case if you're the defense

01:58:37.980 oh i know phil holloway i know how well so they're gonna lose it because they haven't presented the rest

01:58:42.940 of their case yet which includes very compelling video evidence of a not so frail looking donna 0.98

01:58:50.540 adelson trying to get on a jet going to vietnam which is a country that she's on wiretaps talking about 1.00

01:58:58.060 doesn't have an extradition treaty and by the way it was a one-way ticket so they've got that

01:59:03.260 which is consciousness of guilt they're gonna they're gonna link that back up to a lot of the

01:59:07.500 other incriminating statements on the wiretap and let's just face it uh the jury knows that she's not a 0.99

01:59:14.780 the mother of the year already so when you factor all that in together i think they're going to convict

01:59:19.820 her because it's going to be her own words and her own conduct uh when it comes to flight uh in the

01:59:25.340 the face of accusation and the video is going to get her and by the way real quick plug as far as

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 28, 2025

Media Ignores Shooter Reality, Megyn Reveals Blake Lively Subpoena, and Adelson on Trial, with Matt Walsh, Eiglarsh, Geragos, Holloway

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