Retired Command Sergeant Major Paul Horschig joins The Megyn Kelly Show to discuss his time in the Minnesota National Guard, his criticism of Gov. Tim Walz, and why his service should matter in the Democratic primary.
00:02:47.060Do you think their parents didn't want their soldiers to take a pass, take a knee, and maybe go on the next one or go on something that maybe isn't so dangerous?
00:04:22.740Mm, that's an actual retired command Sergeant Major Paul Herr speaking there.
00:04:28.200The interview has received massive media coverage, except from corporate outlets like the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and the Associated Press.
00:04:39.740But then maybe they just don't care about military stories.
00:04:42.640Maybe they don't care when the controversy involves military service personnel.
00:04:52.240Perhaps you heard about the controversy erupting over former President Trump's visit to Arlington National Cemetery last week.
00:05:01.200The Trump campaign posted a video of the visit on TikTok, showing the former president laying a wreath and meeting with Gold Star family members in Section 60 at Arlington, where recent U.S. war dead are buried.
00:05:13.880Vice President Kamala Harris was quick to pounce, yes, pounce, saying in part that Arlington is not a place for politics, and that, quote, Donald Trump's team chose to film a video there, resulting in an altercation with cemetery staff.
00:05:29.080Let me be clear, the former president disrespected sacred ground, all for the sake of a political stunt.
00:05:37.720The Gold Star families, with whom she has not visited, were not impressed with the vice president's statement.
00:05:45.980Mr. Trump's social media releasing this video of them responding to Ms. Harris.
00:05:53.120Kamala, your statement is nothing more than a political spin to help you look better.
00:05:59.780You have never walked a single day in our shoes.
00:06:03.980Our kids were murdered because of your administration.
00:06:09.720I'm the father of Lance Corporal Kareem M. Nkui.
00:06:12.400And your administration killed my son.
00:06:18.040But earlier today, your post regarding the incident at Arlington National Cemetery was brought to my attention.
00:06:24.640After reading it, it caused a reaction with me.
00:06:28.720You indicated in your post that you support the military and military families.
00:06:32.360I, for one, have not seen that support.
00:06:34.960It's been three years since my son was killed in action, and myself, my family, and other Gold Star families have not seen any support from you.
00:06:43.640Your recent remarks related to Trump's visit to Arlington are filled with nothing but lies and deceit.
00:06:50.180A heinous, vile, and disgusting post put out by Kamala Harris.
00:06:57.320But there is one thing that you said in your statement that was true.
00:07:00.860No one should be running for president if they cannot honor military members, their families, as well as veterans.
00:07:10.420So I guess that means that you should step down, Kamala.
00:07:13.280What's more, former President Trump is not the only one to post images of himself at Section 60 during a campaign.
00:07:24.060In fact, the sitting president, Joe Biden, also used images of himself at Arlington to make political statements when he was running with Kamala Harris.
00:07:35.060During his 2020 presidential campaign, Joe Biden posted an image of himself as vice president standing over a grave in Section 60 as part of a Memorial Day message.
00:07:46.800He also had a photo op in Section 60 in 2021 after announcing the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
00:07:54.660He loves Section 60 as a backdrop to his politicking.
00:07:58.780And of course, Mr. Biden has been lambasted by those who lost loved ones during the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan for repeatedly, look at this, checking his watch as their bodies were returned home.
00:08:16.120I don't remember her statement condemning any of it.
00:08:19.260And recently, at his only debate with former President Trump this year, President Biden seemingly forgot that these 13 servicemen and women even died at all.
00:08:35.440Truth is, I'm the only president this century that doesn't have any, this decade, any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did.
00:09:25.560If there is one thing on which we as Americans can all agree, it is that our veterans, military families, and service members should be honored, never disparaged, and treated with nothing else than our high respect and gratitude.
00:09:41.160Is that what your boss did when he checked his watch, so bothered was he having to stand there for the dignified transfer?
00:09:48.720Is that what you did when you didn't even bother to show up to the dignified transfer when their remains came back stateside?
00:09:56.740When you didn't meet with them, when you never reached out to them, and when, indeed, according to the families, you were invited to go to this same memorial, something the White House now denies, and you did not show up?
00:10:12.020Is that what you mean by treating the families with nothing else than the highest respect and gratitude?
00:10:22.140And it is my belief that someone who cannot meet this simple, sacred duty should never stand behind the seal of the President of the United States of America.
00:10:35.640It is stories like this one that we cover like no one else that we promise to you that we will cover like no one else as the Harris-Walls campaign continues to dodge, giving clear answers on this issue and so many others.
00:10:49.820And now, just days after her first TV interview with no others scheduled, Vice President Kamala Harris has deployed a new trick to avoid the media.
00:10:59.420I mean, it's an age-old trick, but it's new for a presidential candidate.
00:11:02.260But we've all used it, at least once, when you pretend to be on the phone to try to avoid that pesky neighbor or annoying acquaintance who's trying to talk to you, only she's running for president.
00:11:16.700She had a total of 16 minutes of talk time, and that is the only non-scripted exchange she has had, other than some surface-level four-minute exchange, plain side, a few weeks ago.
00:13:19.660The media has zero interest in not one, not two, not three, but four vets who actually serve with Tim Walls coming forward to say he's a coward and he abandoned them.
00:13:31.860At their greatest moment of need, zero coverage from New York Times and CNN and Washington Post.
00:13:36.680But this scuffle over whether Trump inappropriately took pictures at a place Joe Biden's already taken pictures and released them as campaign efforts.
00:13:46.480And not a single reporter has decided to dig in mainstream reporter, dig in and see if Joe Biden had used that same area, as you pointed out, to do some sort of political statements or pictures.
00:14:06.620It's really outrageous what's happening to our media in Washington, D.C.
00:14:10.880Look, I watched your interview yesterday with the four vets.
00:14:15.440I don't know of anyone else who has spent the time to find people who served with Tim Walls, because I do think that it's important that we speak to people that served with him.
00:14:26.660I know his brother is now endorsing Donald Trump, but but people who know him the best, who served in those incredible moments where you sign up to serve your country.
00:14:38.600And I should be clear, I didn't serve in the military.
00:14:41.280I have incredible respect for people that do.
00:14:44.560But what I think is really terrible and my friends who have served in the military are really outraged about is to pretend that you had this valor moment when you actually didn't, when you actually were in the heat of the moment, you fell back.
00:15:00.700And this is something that's real to me.
00:15:03.640When I became U.S. ambassador to Germany, you know, I didn't have military experience and I felt like my chief of staff should be somebody who really understands the military even more than me.
00:15:14.480So I asked this first lieutenant in the army who I knew if he would come to Berlin and be the chief of staff at the embassy.
00:15:23.060And Megan, he told me it was a dream job.
00:15:26.780He would love to do it, but he was literally on his way to Syria.
00:15:31.000He's still in the United States, about to deploy to Syria.
00:15:35.340And he said, I have, you know, six, eight, 12 men that I've trained and I really owe it to them to bring them home alive.
00:15:44.140I told their families that I'd bring them home alive.
00:16:10.740Those are the people that in that pressure time when you have to decide, are you going to step up and are you going to give up yourself and sacrifice?
00:16:23.200Those are the people that you really want around you.
00:16:25.840And I think Tim Waltz and what he's done in that moment where he cracked and he went back.
00:16:33.580But then instead of just going and going away quietly realizing you didn't have it, you pretend like you did.
00:16:41.820And you have this moment of valor talking about using weapons of war to make a policy point on guns.
00:16:49.400I mean, I find the whole thing to just be unbelievable and the fact that the media isn't digging in and talking to these people who know him best and questioning him.
00:17:08.660It is amazing to me that this media has the nerve not only to ignore these guys, right, but then they take this controversy over what's happening at Arlington and try to blow it into a week, a week plus story without pointing out the fact that Trump is allegedly in trouble here because he accepted the request,
00:17:34.920the invitation of the invitation of the gold star families to honor the fallen, their fallen loved ones, who she not only didn't go.
00:17:43.180And again, the gold star families say she was invited.
00:17:45.800The White House now denying that we'll get to the bottom of it.
00:17:50.100She's part of the administration that sent them to begin with.
00:17:54.660And where's the media write up about that, about I was the last person in the room and the withdrawal was a success and praising exactly how it was done after it was done.
00:18:26.080Yeah, look, what's happening in Washington, D.C. is truly pathetic.
00:18:31.100I mean, I know world leaders who would die to have the press corps in Washington that Joe Biden and the Democrats get, that Kamala Harris is receiving right now.
00:18:41.180There are people around the world that realize the Washington, D.C.
00:18:54.360It's all of them who just constantly defend whatever the Democrats do.
00:19:00.260And I really, the key to this whole thing is that you have these young reporters who go to Washington, D.C., and it's a big, fun city now.
00:19:08.860It's no longer the Jeffersonian place where you go for a small, short amount of time and then you leave to go live under the rules you created.
00:21:20.360Now, NBC News reports that the White House denies that they were invited.
00:21:24.600NBC News does not quote Christy Shamblin and say, we heard it specifically on the record from a Gold Star mom, that the invitation was extended.
00:21:32.280Nor does it appear they did the legwork to figure out to whom did she send the invitation.
00:21:46.960And the thing, Rick, that's really pissing me off is that I know that the media sucks.
00:21:50.860I know, but, like, this is very disrespectful to the Gold Star families.
00:21:54.260And while they're doing it, they're cloaking themselves in this, you know, we're the ones who care about the Gold Star families mantle, right?
00:22:03.040Like, we care about treating the families with respect.
00:22:07.700Meanwhile, neither she nor her boss have done that for four years.
00:37:50.120You overturned row and you want abortion to be a state's rights issue.
00:37:53.900In Florida, the state that you are a resident of, there's an abortion-related amendment on the ballot to overturn the six-week ban in Florida.
00:38:07.840And so that's, and I've told them that I want more weeks.
00:38:10.820So you'll vote in favor of the amendment?
00:38:12.120I'm voting that, I am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks.
00:38:15.980So he doesn't say he's going to vote for this amendment, but he says I'm voting that we need more than six weeks, which I don't think is an option.
00:38:26.600I think it's either you vote for the amendment or you don't.
00:38:28.540But in any event, now the campaign is trying to walk it back a bit, Rick, saying he wasn't saying he's in favor of the amendment.
00:38:36.180And, you know, the left is having some, making some hay out of this, saying he doesn't know where he stands.
00:38:41.580He's a flip-flopper, just like, just like they say Kamala is.
00:38:44.660And then the pro-life side has spoken out quite a bit about this, saying, oh my, like, what is he doing?
00:38:52.260Well, first of all, you won't be surprised I'm not an expert on abortion, but let me give you my opinion.
00:38:56.760I'm so thankful that Donald Trump has let this up to the states.
00:39:01.480I think it's the right decision to not have a federal ban or some sort of a law that would mandate it federally.
00:39:12.180What I do love is that there's an acquiescence to the states.
00:39:16.300What works in some states doesn't work in others.
00:39:19.400And so I think the media is correct in trying to say to President Trump, you live in Florida, how are you going to vote?
00:39:26.560But one thing that we know is absolutely certain, Donald Trump is pro-life.
00:39:31.580Look what he's done to the Supreme Court.
00:39:33.840I do know that through my 25 years in politics, pro-life community has been asking to overturn Roe v. Wade.
00:39:42.500Every single president promised to go after that and do that.
00:39:46.020And there's only one that was able to do that, and that's Donald Trump.
00:39:50.200And so he's demonstrated that he is absolutely pro-life.
00:39:53.640These questions now, as we get into the details, are very difficult.
00:39:59.100And I think Donald Trump has been very respectful about the process and is now saying, let's just make sure that the Democrats don't play games here.
00:40:09.700We should have some guardrails, but let the states figure out those guardrails.
00:40:14.180Well, he's gotten articles like this from National Review, Trump stabs Florida pro-lifers in the front.
00:40:22.800They're unhappy about this and about the fact that he also said he wants he's going to put some policy in place that mandates coverage of IVF, either by the government or by insurance companies.
00:40:35.800Look, those of us who are pro-IVF, it sounds good in theory, but how are we going to pay for that?
00:40:41.740This sounds like an Obamacare mandate, and Trump kind of veers sometimes toward big government, which isn't great.
00:40:49.420You know, big spending, bottomless, you know, bags of cash, which we don't have.
00:40:56.040Look, what I would say about the IVF issue is that we definitely have a population problem.
00:41:01.680If you dig deep into some of our labor issues and the future of the United States, we have to have a labor force.
00:41:10.780We have to have birth rates that go up, and we're struggling with that.
00:41:15.440A lot of countries around the world are struggling with that.
00:41:18.860And so being able to utilize technology in order to increase our birth rates through IVF, I think is fantastic.
00:41:28.600God gave us the ability to use technology.
00:41:31.380I grew up evangelical Christian, and I can tell you every single person in my family, and there are a lot of evangelical ministers, support the idea that IVF is allowing families to be able to have kids utilizing the technology and the brainpower that God gave us to be able to expand their family and have, you know, a celebration of life.
00:41:55.600It's just, and I mean, I don't mean to diminish your statement because there are some Republicans who disagree with that, who don't like IVF because it creates embryos that may or may not get used.
00:42:04.300But IVF costs about 20,000 bucks a cycle.
00:42:07.420There were about 390,000 of them just in 2022.
00:42:11.240That averages out to about 7.8 billion for just that one year.
00:42:17.100So where are we going to get the money, right?
00:43:25.500What do you make of the fact that, you know, Dasha Burns of NBC gets in Trump's face to ask him about a voter ballot initiative where Trump lives in Florida?
00:43:34.840Florida. And I saw you raising this point on X.
00:43:38.380What's Kamala Harris's home state again?
00:43:43.160And she didn't say anything about the debacle that we just had two nights ago about reparations where Democrats promised black people in California that they would be paid for all of these problems of the past.
00:43:59.660They promised them, Megan, for a year and a half.
00:44:02.340We've been telling they've been telling the black voters in California, you are going to get paid.
00:44:07.820We've had story upon story about it in the L.A. Times and the Sacramento Bee.
00:44:12.600And then in the dead of night when it was time for a vote, what did they do?
00:44:20.920And people are furious about the the being duped.
00:44:27.060They literally used black people in California for a year and a half to pretend like we've got something coming for you.
00:44:35.180And and by the way, let's let's also state very clearly the Democrats have a super majority in Sacramento.
00:44:42.280They don't even they can't be stopped by Republicans.
00:44:46.360The state Senate, the state assembly and the governor, Gavin Newsom, are all Democrats in a super majority and they can do anything they want.
00:44:57.640They pulled the bill and people are furious.
00:45:00.860It's a big story in California and our media is still not covering it.
00:45:04.240And where's Dasha Burns with the mic in her face?
00:45:07.020Oh, she can't because Kamala Harris is on a phone call with her AirPods in.
00:45:11.140I mean, literally nobody believes that she was actually on the phone.
00:45:14.160It's just so fake and how she runs, runs, runs from the media.
00:45:20.100There's one piece of media she's going to run to, and that will be the movies.
00:45:24.200I think October 11th, because, Rick, it turns out that this disgusting film, I think it's called The Apprentice.
00:45:31.960Yeah, it's by Gabe Sherman, who makes his living attacking Republican white whales.
00:45:38.420First, it was Roger Ailes for many, many years, and then he died.
00:45:46.120There was a question about whether it would.
00:45:48.780And in this movie, reportedly, there is a scene of Donald Trump raping his wife, Ivana Trump.
00:45:56.780The movie got a standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival.
00:46:02.160They just released a clip showing Jeremy Strong, the actor who played Kendall Roy in Succession, as Roy Kahn, a young lawyer advising a then-inept Donald Trump.
00:46:14.500This guy doesn't even look like Trump, but whatever.
00:46:16.320It's this inept, buffoon version of Trump who can't make a phone call sounding tough.
00:47:40.600I can't tell you how many times we've seen him completely lie and make stuff up.
00:47:45.800Look, he is the type of reporter, and I use that term loosely, that when you're not on the front page of the paper, when you don't have a story that everyone's talking about, you literally make something up to be able to get into the ethos again.
00:48:00.960I could name 10 reporters who do that constantly right now, and we know who they are, but the public doesn't know who they are.
00:48:08.960But one thing that we should be absolutely certain of is that scene right there never happened.
00:49:14.480In the Donald Trump administration, we had Iran squeezed.
00:49:18.220They didn't have money to pursue a nuclear weapon.
00:49:20.520And they certainly didn't have money to go out and fund the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah,
00:49:26.280all of their actors that they pay to go out and cause terrorism around the world and wars.
00:49:34.060And so when Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came in, they dropped the sanctions, the Trump sanctions on Iran, and they gave cash and credit to Iran.
00:49:45.220So the total package that Biden-Harris gave to the regime in Tehran was hundreds of billions of dollars.
00:49:52.900No one should be surprised when you give Tehran hundreds of billions of dollars that you're going to get the Houthi attacks, you're going to get Hamas attacks, you're going to get Hezbollah starting a war with Israel.
01:30:06.740But yeah, she just she's she's full of that.
01:30:10.560That's obviously what motivates this person is a real resentment towards towards white people and wanting to find an outlet for that so that she could kind of very thinly veil it in in anti-racism or or or whatever.
01:30:25.800Yeah, I mean, I walked away with no doubt of my own opinion of her that she hates whites, hates America and keeps finding these suckers like these poor women.
01:30:38.360Every single one of those women is absolutely pathetic for agreeing to this, for paying this money and for letting this woman speak to them that way.
01:30:44.160I have half a mind, not for a documentary, but just for kicks to invite her.
01:30:50.100I have a couple of different places where I spend my time and she wouldn't know it was me and I'll just show up and then she and I can do battle.
01:31:02.260I think it's going to be fun for us both.
01:31:03.640She was so annoying, but seeing you needle her and like tweak her and ultimately expose and thus embarrass her is very gratifying.
01:31:15.000That's how you wind up feeling at the end of this, even though there are infuriating moments, like when seemingly normal people sign a petition to change the George Washington monument into.
01:31:38.160And I honestly, I was like, nobody thinks of me as being optimistic, but I discovered making this movie that I was an optimistic person because I honestly, we went to do that scene and I was saying to the crew, like, I don't know if anyone's really going to sign this.
01:31:52.540Is anyone really going to sign a petition to change?
01:31:54.300Maybe you could get people to sign a petition to take George Washington's name off the monument, but to replace it with the George Floyd monument, who would sign it?
01:32:03.520And we found that our problem was the opposite.
01:32:06.260We were having trouble finding anyone who wouldn't sign it.
01:32:09.440Just the vast majority of people we stopped, white or black, they were, yeah, absolutely.
01:32:59.960Most of the places that we went to and the rooms that we were in were all people that were true believers.
01:33:05.240So not a lot of light peeking through the darkness there.
01:33:10.220But culturally, yeah, I think that, look, just the fact that everybody has heard of DEI, and I think the vast majority of people have a negative, it has a negative connotation for the vast majority of people.
01:33:23.980That alone is a pretty good sign that DEI is reaching its peak.
01:33:29.000You know, I think if you got 100 random people into a room and ask them how many of you have heard of DEI, probably 98 of them will say that they've heard of it.
01:33:36.520And most of them will sort of say while rolling their eyes because they see it as either a silly thing or something worse.
01:34:26.100But they don't really get rid of it because the ideas are still there.
01:34:29.440And the ideas really are so embedded, especially in the academic world, especially in academia and in the school system, that to really root those out is going to take, that's a years-long process, really.
01:34:42.760And in the Democrat Party, where Matt Walsh infiltrated the DNC when it was held in Chicago as your alter ego, as your man-bun alter ego.
01:34:53.680And we saw a video of you just wandering around behind, I think it was a CNN live shot, in your character, which was amazing.
01:35:01.200Here he is behind an interview of Chuck Schumer.
01:35:19.180So we went to their DNC expo thing, which is in a different building.
01:35:23.460And I got kicked out in like 20 minutes, escorted out by a whole, just flanked by security guards and cops that walked me out.
01:35:30.900And they said that I'm not welcome back in the building.
01:35:33.920But the thing is, that was a different, so they said I can't go to that building, but there's a whole other building where the actual convention is happening.
01:35:39.720And they didn't say I couldn't go there.
01:35:40.880So we went there next and just walked around the floor.
01:36:18.880So since you made What is a Woman, which really was, I mean, genuinely an important film and really got a conversation, if not started, rolling in earnest in ways that it hadn't been prior to that film.
01:36:33.180How do you think we're doing on that front?
01:36:35.360Because I'll tell you something quickly.
01:36:37.980We're down at the Jersey Shore for the summer.
01:36:40.220We went to see a play at this little theater down there.
01:36:45.680It's a cute theater, usually family-friendly.
01:36:48.620And it was supposed to be about the Go-Go's, like Head Over Heels, it was called.
01:36:53.660And they were, but it was like Shakespearean times.
01:36:56.200So it was like Shakespearean language.
01:36:58.400But every once in a while, they'd break out and do a song having to do with the Go-Go's.
01:37:03.360Next thing I know, some characters declaring herself non-binary, saying she goes by they-them.
01:37:08.900Then there's another character who dresses as a woman for the whole time in order to, like, see the girl whose father won't let him in to see her.
01:37:16.680And it turns out at the end, he really liked being both a girl and a boy, and he's going to stay flipping between the two.