The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Lies About Kamala and Veterans, and Exposing ＂Anti-Racist＂ Grifters, with Ric Grenell and Matt Walsh ｜ Ep. 877

00:00:00.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.140 Labor Day weekend is officially over and, you know, summer's over too.

00:00:19.580 I'm just going to have to admit reality. It's over. I mean, it's not technically over, but it's over.

00:00:24.280 It's fine. It's a lot of wonderful things in the fall. We mentioned this last week.

00:00:27.560 We got football. We got apple cider donuts. That's exciting.

00:00:34.360 We got cute sweaters and boots, ladies. Men, you'll enjoy us in those outfits too, especially the younger ladies.

00:00:43.100 We've got Thanksgiving. You get the first snow. Okay, it's too soon to get excited about it.

00:00:47.800 Anyway, just, we're going to be fine.

00:00:50.960 And, you know, we also have the little thing called the presidential election that's happening too.

00:00:54.320 So, it now means, with the end of Labor Day weekend, as it always does in an election year,

00:00:58.960 it's on, that the race will kick into high gear and we have some seven weeks for the candidates to make their final pitch

00:01:06.020 on who should be the next president of the United States.

00:01:09.120 It is so tight. It's a super duper tight.

00:01:13.320 I mean, truly, it could go either way.

00:01:17.640 There's so much news to cover, but first, if you did not see our exclusive interview with several of the National Guard veterans

00:01:23.480 who served with Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, yesterday's show is a must-watch and listen.

00:01:29.720 You can check it out on YouTube.com slash Megan Kelly, or you can just go on podcast and download that show.

00:01:34.660 It's getting huge, huge reception, and the numbers are big.

00:01:38.080 People are loving it.

00:01:39.220 We spoke with these vets about their criticisms of Tim Walz's long history of exaggerating,

00:01:46.880 although that's a kind way to put it, of lying about his service record and why it should matter in this race.

00:01:53.640 This is how I know Adam Smith, that he is, again, a liar, because he told me and other sergeant majors in the meetings

00:02:04.320 that you can count on me.

00:02:06.620 I will deploy with my unit.

00:02:08.400 His words to my ears and others.

00:02:11.920 So that's how I know.

00:02:13.560 I'm not making it up.

00:02:15.060 I have thousands of soldiers, thousands of soldiers that I took into combat and brought back up all well.

00:02:21.920 But they know me.

00:02:24.680 If you knew my blood was boiling right now because Walz has done nothing but lie to Pedro's own bed his entire career.

00:02:34.300 That's how I know.

00:02:35.560 I was there.

00:02:36.500 I just didn't make this up.

00:02:37.860 Tom and I just didn't make this stuff up.

00:02:40.160 I was in the meetings.

00:02:41.380 I was part of it.

00:02:44.260 Soldiers died.

00:02:45.820 Soldiers went on this meeting.

00:02:47.060 Do you think their parents didn't want their soldiers to take a pass, take a knee, and maybe go on the next one or go on something that maybe isn't so dangerous?

00:02:56.740 You're darn skippy. 1.00

00:02:58.220 He came out and said he was going to go.

00:03:00.300 All the time working behind Doug Juleen's back, going behind the chain of command's back to secure his retirement.

00:03:08.420 But whenever he found out, prior to his official leaving of the National Guard, he knew Iraq was coming. 0.99

00:03:15.440 And he was telling you, I'll deploy.

00:03:17.440 I'll deploy.

00:03:17.980 Notwithstanding the fact that he had said already, I'm going to run for Congress.

00:03:21.260 He was saying, I'll go with my unit.

00:03:23.440 Oh, absolutely.

00:03:24.500 And didn't.

00:03:25.120 And he didn't, no, the officer blows the whistle to leave the trenches, and I'm the guy who's motivating everybody to leave.

00:03:33.640 And I go, nah, not today.

00:03:35.000 I'm not going.

00:03:35.900 You guys go right ahead.

00:03:38.060 That's a morale crusher.

00:03:41.580 It chews away at the fabric of the military and its ability to do its mission.

00:03:46.900 And it's just, it may not legally be wrong.

00:03:51.780 It is morally indefensible.

00:03:53.940 We had other soldiers that put their lives on total, on total lockdown because of this, because they went to defend their country.

00:04:02.840 They had soldiers.

00:04:03.900 I'm not going to let my soldiers go forward without me.

00:04:06.780 I trained them.

00:04:08.000 I put myself right there with them.

00:04:10.800 I'm going to suffer every hardship that they do.

00:04:13.660 And that's the position he was in.

00:04:15.080 Yeah, that's the exact position he was in.

00:04:17.900 And he walked away from it.

00:04:19.000 He wasn't going to, he didn't care.

00:04:21.600 It was all about him.

00:04:22.740 Mm, that's an actual retired command Sergeant Major Paul Herr speaking there.

00:04:28.200 The interview has received massive media coverage, except from corporate outlets like the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and the Associated Press.

00:04:39.740 But then maybe they just don't care about military stories.

00:04:42.640 Maybe they don't care when the controversy involves military service personnel.

00:04:49.100 Oh, wait.

00:04:51.600 Wait.

00:04:52.240 Perhaps you heard about the controversy erupting over former President Trump's visit to Arlington National Cemetery last week.

00:05:01.200 The Trump campaign posted a video of the visit on TikTok, showing the former president laying a wreath and meeting with Gold Star family members in Section 60 at Arlington, where recent U.S. war dead are buried.

00:05:13.880 Vice President Kamala Harris was quick to pounce, yes, pounce, saying in part that Arlington is not a place for politics, and that, quote, Donald Trump's team chose to film a video there, resulting in an altercation with cemetery staff.

00:05:29.080 Let me be clear, the former president disrespected sacred ground, all for the sake of a political stunt.

00:05:37.720 The Gold Star families, with whom she has not visited, were not impressed with the vice president's statement.

00:05:45.980 Mr. Trump's social media releasing this video of them responding to Ms. Harris.

00:05:53.120 Kamala, your statement is nothing more than a political spin to help you look better.

00:05:59.780 You have never walked a single day in our shoes.

00:06:03.980 Our kids were murdered because of your administration.

00:06:08.140 My name is Steve Nkui.

00:06:09.720 I'm the father of Lance Corporal Kareem M. Nkui.

00:06:12.400 And your administration killed my son.

00:06:18.040 But earlier today, your post regarding the incident at Arlington National Cemetery was brought to my attention.

00:06:24.640 After reading it, it caused a reaction with me.

00:06:28.720 You indicated in your post that you support the military and military families.

00:06:32.360 I, for one, have not seen that support.

00:06:34.960 It's been three years since my son was killed in action, and myself, my family, and other Gold Star families have not seen any support from you.

00:06:42.400 Or in your administration.

00:06:43.640 Your recent remarks related to Trump's visit to Arlington are filled with nothing but lies and deceit.

00:06:50.180 A heinous, vile, and disgusting post put out by Kamala Harris.

00:06:57.320 But there is one thing that you said in your statement that was true.

00:07:00.860 No one should be running for president if they cannot honor military members, their families, as well as veterans.

00:07:10.420 So I guess that means that you should step down, Kamala.

00:07:13.280 What's more, former President Trump is not the only one to post images of himself at Section 60 during a campaign.

00:07:24.060 In fact, the sitting president, Joe Biden, also used images of himself at Arlington to make political statements when he was running with Kamala Harris.

00:07:35.060 During his 2020 presidential campaign, Joe Biden posted an image of himself as vice president standing over a grave in Section 60 as part of a Memorial Day message.

00:07:46.800 He also had a photo op in Section 60 in 2021 after announcing the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

00:07:54.660 He loves Section 60 as a backdrop to his politicking.

00:07:58.780 And of course, Mr. Biden has been lambasted by those who lost loved ones during the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan for repeatedly, look at this, checking his watch as their bodies were returned home.

00:08:14.700 That's her boss. 1.00

00:08:16.120 I don't remember her statement condemning any of it.

00:08:19.260 And recently, at his only debate with former President Trump this year, President Biden seemingly forgot that these 13 servicemen and women even died at all.

00:08:35.440 Truth is, I'm the only president this century that doesn't have any, this decade, any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did.

00:08:45.860 Unbelievable.

00:08:46.360 Unbelievable.

00:08:47.420 It's unbelievable because let me just tell you something, okay?

00:08:49.760 So she releases this story, this statement, trying to capitalize on this.

00:08:55.920 So annoying.

00:08:57.100 We just set up for you just a few of the examples of what her boss and her administration has done, right?

00:09:02.420 But let me read you some of the post that Kamala Harris put up on X over the weekend.

00:09:07.680 Oh, it's a solemn place, a place to honor American heroes who made the ultimate sacrifice, not a place for politics.

00:09:12.940 Tell it to your boss, Ms. Harris.

00:09:16.260 Trump's team chose to film a video there.

00:09:19.500 They disrespected sacred ground, all for the sake of a political stunt.

00:09:24.000 Okay.

00:09:24.240 Then she goes on to say,

00:09:25.560 If there is one thing on which we as Americans can all agree, it is that our veterans, military families, and service members should be honored, never disparaged, and treated with nothing else than our high respect and gratitude.

00:09:41.160 Is that what your boss did when he checked his watch, so bothered was he having to stand there for the dignified transfer?

00:09:48.720 Is that what you did when you didn't even bother to show up to the dignified transfer when their remains came back stateside?

00:09:56.740 When you didn't meet with them, when you never reached out to them, and when, indeed, according to the families, you were invited to go to this same memorial, something the White House now denies, and you did not show up?

00:10:12.020 Is that what you mean by treating the families with nothing else than the highest respect and gratitude?

00:10:21.040 She goes on to say,

00:10:22.140 And it is my belief that someone who cannot meet this simple, sacred duty should never stand behind the seal of the President of the United States of America.

00:10:34.460 Interesting, isn't it?

00:10:35.640 It is stories like this one that we cover like no one else that we promise to you that we will cover like no one else as the Harris-Walls campaign continues to dodge, giving clear answers on this issue and so many others.

00:10:49.820 And now, just days after her first TV interview with no others scheduled, Vice President Kamala Harris has deployed a new trick to avoid the media. 0.93

00:10:59.420 I mean, it's an age-old trick, but it's new for a presidential candidate.

00:11:02.260 But we've all used it, at least once, when you pretend to be on the phone to try to avoid that pesky neighbor or annoying acquaintance who's trying to talk to you, only she's running for president.

00:11:13.760 She has sat for one interview.

00:11:16.700 She had a total of 16 minutes of talk time, and that is the only non-scripted exchange she has had, other than some surface-level four-minute exchange, plain side, a few weeks ago.

00:11:29.980 That's it.

00:11:30.560 They tried to get her to answer another question or two as she walked onto her plane, and she pretended she was on the phone.

00:11:39.200 It was obviously a dodge.

00:11:41.160 This looks so ridiculous.

00:11:42.840 And even if it wasn't, can I tell you, even if she actually had a phone call, obviously it was scheduled then.

00:11:49.200 It was created for this moment so she could avoid having to answer a question from the press.

00:11:54.420 But she's terrified of them, even though they love her, even though their whole mission right now is to get her elected.

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00:12:59.140 Great person to talk to all this about today.

00:13:01.860 And that is Rick Grinnell.

00:13:03.280 Rick was a key part of Donald Trump's administration, serving as ambassador to Germany and as acting director of national intelligence.

00:13:10.320 So much in the news up your alley today.

00:13:12.300 Rick, welcome back to the show.

00:13:14.380 Thanks for having me, Megan.

00:13:16.900 Let's just start with the absurdity.

00:13:19.660 The media has zero interest in not one, not two, not three, but four vets who actually serve with Tim Walls coming forward to say he's a coward and he abandoned them.

00:13:31.860 At their greatest moment of need, zero coverage from New York Times and CNN and Washington Post.

00:13:36.680 But this scuffle over whether Trump inappropriately took pictures at a place Joe Biden's already taken pictures and released them as campaign efforts.

00:13:46.480 And not a single reporter has decided to dig in mainstream reporter, dig in and see if Joe Biden had used that same area, as you pointed out, to do some sort of political statements or pictures.

00:14:06.620 It's really outrageous what's happening to our media in Washington, D.C.

00:14:10.880 Look, I watched your interview yesterday with the four vets.

00:14:15.440 I don't know of anyone else who has spent the time to find people who served with Tim Walls, because I do think that it's important that we speak to people that served with him.

00:14:26.660 I know his brother is now endorsing Donald Trump, but but people who know him the best, who served in those incredible moments where you sign up to serve your country.

00:14:38.600 And I should be clear, I didn't serve in the military.

00:14:41.280 I have incredible respect for people that do.

00:14:44.560 But what I think is really terrible and my friends who have served in the military are really outraged about is to pretend that you had this valor moment when you actually didn't, when you actually were in the heat of the moment, you fell back.

00:15:00.700 And this is something that's real to me.

00:15:03.640 When I became U.S. ambassador to Germany, you know, I didn't have military experience and I felt like my chief of staff should be somebody who really understands the military even more than me.

00:15:14.480 So I asked this first lieutenant in the army who I knew if he would come to Berlin and be the chief of staff at the embassy.

00:15:23.060 And Megan, he told me it was a dream job.

00:15:26.780 He would love to do it, but he was literally on his way to Syria.

00:15:31.000 He's still in the United States, about to deploy to Syria.

00:15:35.340 And he said, I have, you know, six, eight, 12 men that I've trained and I really owe it to them to bring them home alive.

00:15:44.140 I told their families that I'd bring them home alive.

00:15:46.100 So I need to go.

00:15:47.920 I need to finish this duty.

00:15:49.740 And then when I come back, if the job is still open, I'd love it.

00:15:54.160 And I remember telling him, wow, the job will still be open because you're the exact person that I would love to have in this job.

00:16:03.480 So we just held it open.

00:16:04.760 He went to Syria.

00:16:05.840 And then when he came back, he became the chief of staff.

00:16:09.520 Those are the moments.

00:16:10.740 Those are the people that in that pressure time when you have to decide, are you going to step up and are you going to give up yourself and sacrifice?

00:16:23.200 Those are the people that you really want around you.

00:16:25.840 And I think Tim Waltz and what he's done in that moment where he cracked and he went back.

00:16:33.580 But then instead of just going and going away quietly realizing you didn't have it, you pretend like you did.

00:16:41.820 And you have this moment of valor talking about using weapons of war to make a policy point on guns.

00:16:49.400 I mean, I find the whole thing to just be unbelievable and the fact that the media isn't digging in and talking to these people who know him best and questioning him.

00:16:59.960 And he's not being transparent.

00:17:01.320 The campaign's not being transparent.

00:17:03.020 I find the whole thing to be just typical swampy Washington, D.C.

00:17:07.400 We got to move away from this.

00:17:08.660 It is amazing to me that this media has the nerve not only to ignore these guys, right, but then they take this controversy over what's happening at Arlington and try to blow it into a week, a week plus story without pointing out the fact that Trump is allegedly in trouble here because he accepted the request,

00:17:34.920 the invitation of the invitation of the gold star families to honor the fallen, their fallen loved ones, who she not only didn't go.

00:17:43.180 And again, the gold star families say she was invited.

00:17:45.800 The White House now denying that we'll get to the bottom of it.

00:17:48.180 But she not only didn't go.

00:17:50.100 She's part of the administration that sent them to begin with.

00:17:54.660 And where's the media write up about that, about I was the last person in the room and the withdrawal was a success and praising exactly how it was done after it was done.

00:18:04.580 And never meeting with the families.

00:18:07.840 None of that, right?

00:18:09.260 No one's talking about the fact that she has made zero time for these grieving gold star families.

00:18:17.140 Trump repeatedly has met with them, but the media is only too happy, Rick, to run with.

00:18:23.940 But he took some pictures.

00:18:25.360 Therefore, he's evil.

00:18:26.080 Yeah, look, what's happening in Washington, D.C. is truly pathetic.

00:18:31.100 I mean, I know world leaders who would die to have the press corps in Washington that Joe Biden and the Democrats get, that Kamala Harris is receiving right now.

00:18:41.180 There are people around the world that realize the Washington, D.C.

00:18:45.540 Mainstream media.

00:18:46.360 And you could list them, right?

00:18:48.100 It's NBC.

00:18:49.800 It's AP.

00:18:51.060 It's CNN.

00:18:52.020 New York Times.

00:18:53.240 Washington Post.

00:18:54.360 It's all of them who just constantly defend whatever the Democrats do.

00:19:00.260 And I really, the key to this whole thing is that you have these young reporters who go to Washington, D.C., and it's a big, fun city now.

00:19:08.860 It's no longer the Jeffersonian place where you go for a small, short amount of time and then you leave to go live under the rules you created.

00:19:17.040 Now we've got huge budgets.

00:19:19.300 We've got lobbyists.

00:19:20.700 We've got reporters.

00:19:22.000 They all go to church together.

00:19:23.880 They all go to school together.

00:19:25.180 They're never going to write stories that create a smaller, less powerful Washington, D.C. with a smaller budget.

00:19:35.160 They're never going to do that.

00:19:36.180 They want Washington, D.C. to be bigger, better, badder, meaner because it's their city.

00:19:42.500 And that's the problem is the rest of us who live outside of Washington.

00:19:46.360 We have to stop asking for those people inside Washington to reform themselves.

00:19:52.620 I've said this before, but it would be akin of like coming to Los Angeles and saying, I've got a great idea.

00:19:58.320 Let's get rid of movies.

00:19:59.760 And everybody says, kill them.

00:20:01.900 We don't want them here.

00:20:03.580 And so we need to start sending people to Washington that are not of Washington, whose social life is not in Washington.

00:20:11.400 I'll tell you one great example of a senator who already lives that is Ron Johnson.

00:20:16.560 He gets out of Washington as fast as he can, and he literally, his whole life is back in Wisconsin.

00:20:24.380 And I love that.

00:20:25.640 I think we need more people like that.

00:20:27.880 Yeah.

00:20:28.080 At least you have a shot of staying normal.

00:20:30.140 It's a shot.

00:20:31.940 I do want to give you, here's Christy Shamblin.

00:20:34.740 She's the mother-in-law of Marine Corps Sergeant Nicole Gee, who served and was killed at Abbey Gate.

00:20:41.520 And Christy actually spoke at the Republican National Convention, so she may look familiar or be familiar to our audience.

00:20:48.700 But she went on CNN, and here's what she said about the invitation.

00:20:52.880 We invited both President Trump and the Biden-Harris administration, and we didn't hear back from the White House.

00:21:03.920 We were happy to welcome President Trump to lay wreaths with all three of our families and our wounded, some of our wounded from that day.

00:21:12.820 And when he came to Section 60, it was at our request.

00:21:16.940 Okay, so there you have it.

00:21:20.360 Now, NBC News reports that the White House denies that they were invited.

00:21:24.600 NBC News does not quote Christy Shamblin and say, we heard it specifically on the record from a Gold Star mom, that the invitation was extended.

00:21:32.280 Nor does it appear they did the legwork to figure out to whom did she send the invitation.

00:21:37.160 They just report it.

00:21:37.820 They just go with it.

00:21:39.380 No, they weren't.

00:21:40.060 No, it didn't happen.

00:21:41.640 It's NBC News.

00:21:42.620 Not in the least.

00:21:43.120 I mean, look.

00:21:45.540 It's just disgusting.

00:21:46.080 It's so disrespectful.

00:21:46.960 And the thing, Rick, that's really pissing me off is that I know that the media sucks.

00:21:50.860 I know, but, like, this is very disrespectful to the Gold Star families.

00:21:54.260 And while they're doing it, they're cloaking themselves in this, you know, we're the ones who care about the Gold Star families mantle, right?

00:22:03.040 Like, we care about treating the families with respect.

00:22:07.700 Meanwhile, neither she nor her boss have done that for four years.

00:22:13.720 The watch.

00:22:14.820 She didn't show up.

00:22:16.240 And, by the way, speaking of NBC, look what they said.

00:22:20.020 Look what they tried to claim.

00:22:21.760 Kamala Harris was at the dignified transfer when the 13 service personnel came back.

00:22:26.560 Look at this.

00:22:27.200 You know who the family's also invited?

00:22:33.220 Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:22:34.600 Where were they?

00:22:35.480 Joe Biden was sitting at a beach.

00:22:37.100 Kamala Harris was sitting at her mansion in Washington, D.C.

00:22:39.360 She was four miles away.

00:22:40.780 Ten minutes.

00:22:41.800 She could have gone to the cemetery and honored the sacrifice of those young men and women.

00:22:47.180 But she hasn't.

00:22:47.940 She never has spoken to them or taken a meeting with them.

00:22:51.260 Well, they did meet with them during the dignified transfer.

00:22:53.500 It's because of her.

00:22:54.120 They were with them at the dignified transfer.

00:22:55.340 Her and Kristen Welker lying.

00:23:00.560 NBC had to later issue a paper statement saying that wasn't true.

00:23:03.700 Harris didn't show.

00:23:05.640 I mean, look, this is the problem.

00:23:07.320 I've been calling out all of NBC and calling them Comcast Media.

00:23:11.440 I think people need to realize that Comcast is funding this.

00:23:15.100 And this is a Comcast Media outlet.

00:23:18.280 They don't check whatever some young staffer at the White House tells an MSNBC or an NBC

00:23:25.320 reporter who's also 26 years old.

00:23:28.300 Whatever they say, they just regurgitate and put on Twitter.

00:23:31.280 There's no checking.

00:23:32.360 There's no journalism.

00:23:33.360 There's no skepticism when it comes to what Democrats tell NBC or MSNBC.

00:23:40.540 It's outrageous.

00:23:41.820 And again, we have to start not only calling it out, but we have to demand better.

00:23:48.040 We have to demand better from places like Comcast.

00:23:50.740 They don't get to gaslight us and then ask us to buy their services.

00:23:57.200 I find it to be really offensive and somebody needs to hold them to account.

00:24:02.160 They push misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, whatever you want to call it,

00:24:07.920 every single day.

00:24:10.280 And they just don't care.

00:24:11.700 Meanwhile, we still haven't received any apology from PBS after Judy Woodruff lied about President

00:24:21.480 Trump and said he tried to stop the ceasefire negotiations with Bibi because he thought it

00:24:27.500 would help his campaign.

00:24:28.800 She claimed in trying to clean that up, which she reported on there, that it was all the

00:24:32.800 fault of Axios and Reuters who had it wrong and she was just repeating their reporting.

00:24:36.940 We went back.

00:24:37.740 Yashar Ali actually broke this.

00:24:39.860 They did not report that.

00:24:41.280 They never reported what she said.

00:24:42.820 There was no report whatsoever that Trump had asked Bibi not to enter a ceasefire.

00:24:47.580 They had originally reported that the two men spoke and then updated the reporting by saying,

00:24:52.500 oh, wait, they both denied it.

00:24:53.600 Nothing, nothing about Trump trying to stop the deal.

00:24:56.240 She made that up.

00:24:57.060 She reported on the air and she has yet to issue an apology for that or her lie about that.

00:25:02.400 PBS, nothing.

00:25:04.160 Zero.

00:25:04.420 I mean, at least NBC issued a paper statement correcting Kristen Welker, their host of Meet the Press, 0.68

00:25:09.160 and a massive error, but nothing from PBS.

00:25:12.680 Trump is left to twist in the wind and just let the damage fall, right?

00:25:17.740 That's what they're hoping.

00:25:18.500 Like, let's beat him up.

00:25:20.100 Say he doesn't care about the American hostages.

00:25:22.940 He doesn't care about the Israelis.

00:25:24.400 He only cares about himself.

00:25:26.560 This is another message they're pushing on the Arlington stuff.

00:25:28.940 And all this other stuff just gets completely ignored or lied about, Rick.

00:25:33.080 It's incredibly, yes, frustrating, maddening.

00:25:38.200 Well, I have a little angle on that.

00:25:42.540 So when I saw Judy Woodruff say it, I took to Twitter and I called her out and I said,

00:25:46.820 this is not true.

00:25:48.380 This is absolutely not true.

00:25:49.620 I then emailed the executive producer, a woman named Julie, and another reporter that

00:25:55.780 I know there, emailed them both together.

00:25:58.400 And it took them a little while, but I said, you know, look, I'm asking for you to put me

00:26:02.960 on to counter what Judy Woodruff said, because not only did she make this up, it's not true,

00:26:10.360 but no one sitting on that panel and neither of the co-hosts corrected her.

00:26:16.720 They've got a whole newsroom.

00:26:17.880 If Judy Woodruff said something wrong, somebody in the newsroom, they're publicly funded here.

00:26:22.960 They should be checking to say, oh, you know, that's not true.

00:26:26.540 And somebody can tell the host in the ear to correct the record.

00:26:31.280 So when I emailed this executive producer, it took her a while to get back to me, like

00:26:35.180 a full day.

00:26:36.440 You know, she ended up getting back to me and she said, Judy corrected that on Twitter

00:26:42.800 and made a point of correcting it.

00:26:46.800 And then she said, let's talk about having you come on.

00:26:49.860 I said, well, come, I'll come on anytime.

00:26:51.960 You tell me when.

00:26:53.140 And they still haven't taken me up on that.

00:26:56.020 But the point is, is that they get away by just saying things like, oh, well, we said

00:27:01.000 something on X and corrected the record.

00:27:04.020 That's different than actually saying it on PBS in the moment where you push it out to,

00:27:10.780 to, you know, everyone watching.

00:27:12.820 And then it lives in video.

00:27:14.200 But Rick, she did not correct the record on X.

00:27:17.020 She lied on X.

00:27:18.580 She said, I was just, I based my reporting on Axios and Reuters who were wrong.

00:27:23.840 And that's why I was wrong.

00:27:25.160 That's a lie.

00:27:26.480 We went back and checked the original reporting.

00:27:28.640 Reuters just cited the Axios report.

00:27:30.280 So their hands are clean.

00:27:31.900 Axios, the original reporting, never said what she claimed it did ever.

00:27:37.060 They never said that Trump tried to stop the deal to help himself.

00:27:42.700 She made that up and then blamed it on Axios.

00:27:46.740 And she's never gone back to correct that, including after we all got to the bottom Axios

00:27:52.620 reporting last week.

00:27:54.360 It's incredibly cynical.

00:27:56.100 And the point I'm trying to drive to is I know Republicans always have the media against

00:28:01.140 them.

00:28:01.660 I get that.

00:28:02.280 I've been part of the media.

00:28:03.520 I've seen it.

00:28:04.040 I don't think I've ever seen it this bad.

00:28:07.440 I really like I don't know.

00:28:09.740 Was it was it this bad in 16 against Trump?

00:28:12.180 Maybe it was.

00:28:13.240 But I've never seen this bad as they are against Donald Trump.

00:28:17.140 It was this bad.

00:28:18.640 I think with social media, it's it's faster and in our face even more.

00:28:23.220 And look, there's no question in my mind.

00:28:26.100 The reason they kicked off Donald Trump, they they kicked him off Twitter at the time is

00:28:31.680 because he was able to take the messaging straight to the people.

00:28:36.020 I know they came up with some phony reason of why they did it, but they were really annoyed

00:28:39.340 that he wasn't sitting down with reporters to let them figure out what he said and then

00:28:46.120 be the the filter, so to speak, to the rest of the world.

00:28:49.880 He would talk to reporters, but then he would also go straight to the people with his exact

00:28:55.460 words and we could see what the filter was doing and how how disingenuous they were being

00:29:02.140 towards Donald Trump and Republicans.

00:29:04.480 But social media allows us to correct the record.

00:29:07.740 You've done an amazing job on social media to jump on and correct the record and call people

00:29:12.420 out.

00:29:13.040 And that is different than when it was in 16.

00:29:17.400 I think the media still had the power.

00:29:19.800 Now the people really do have the power.

00:29:21.800 I'm super encouraged that a a reporter and media outlet today, if they say something that's

00:29:29.120 wrong, they get corrected.

00:29:30.640 It's still not good enough because we need journalists to actually do journalism.

00:29:35.840 But we do have the ability to call them out and mock them and show just how biased they are.

00:29:42.780 Here's another crazy story before we move off of the military.

00:29:46.260 At the Democratic National Convention, one of the rising stars, they're positioning this

00:29:50.980 guy to be the next Obama, was Wes Moore, the Maryland governor.

00:29:56.040 And he got up there and he basically said, we had a terrible bridge tragedy and I fixed

00:29:59.920 it quickly.

00:30:01.080 I mean, that's great.

00:30:02.720 But like, I don't I'm not sure you can be president based on that.

00:30:06.520 Um, and I remember thinking, like, why like that?

00:30:09.980 That is a that's nice that he did that.

00:30:11.840 That's good.

00:30:12.300 That's kind of what we expect from our leaders.

00:30:14.420 Um, but what's the story here?

00:30:16.180 And then the more you read, the more you realize they're trying to make him into the next Obama.

00:30:19.520 And he was on the shortlist reportedly for being her VP choice.

00:30:23.160 She did not choose him.

00:30:24.700 Obviously, she went with Tim Walls.

00:30:26.220 Guess guess who else?

00:30:28.620 Claimed they had a military honor.

00:30:30.060 They didn't have Wes Moore, the Maryland governor.

00:30:34.740 Listen to him.

00:30:36.200 OK, what you need to know is listening to these soundbites.

00:30:39.840 Wes Moore is not the recipient of a Bronze Star.

00:30:43.640 He did serve in the military.

00:30:45.700 He was not awarded the Bronze Star for valor.

00:30:50.380 Apparently, he didn't have any problem claiming that he had won that award.

00:30:55.120 However, take a listen to Gwen Ifill announcing that he had received it in 2008.

00:31:01.600 Wesley Moore, a captain of the U.S. Army Reserve while on active duty.

00:31:05.900 He completed a combat tour of duty in Afghanistan and earned a Bronze Star medal.

00:31:10.500 Welcome to you all.

00:31:13.200 OK, now here's Stephen Colbert, 2010.

00:31:16.340 You're a decorated veteran of the Afghan war.

00:31:18.460 Yes, correct.

00:31:18.920 You're the Bronze Star.

00:31:19.640 That's right.

00:31:20.140 That's right.

00:31:25.120 Now, I am no fan of the Smarty Pants, but you are a Rhodes Scholar as well.

00:31:29.540 Yes.

00:31:31.180 And then when he himself applied for a prestigious White House fellowship in 2006, when he was 27 years

00:31:40.260 old, he himself claimed he had been awarded the Bronze Star.

00:31:46.160 This is ridiculous, Rick Grinnell.

00:31:48.940 Well, the his defense is that he'd been told by his commanding officer that it was a good

00:31:56.420 idea, that he thought he had earned it and that it was going through the paperwork at

00:32:02.960 the time.

00:32:03.540 But there is zero doubt he had not been awarded it at the time he said he had been.

00:32:09.460 And to this day, he does not have the Bronze Star for valor.

00:32:13.720 Look, this is truly the product of a broken media.

00:32:20.180 They don't check Democrats.

00:32:23.080 They just don't vet them.

00:32:24.720 I can tell you coming from California, whether it's Javier Becerra, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris,

00:32:32.720 whoever it is, they don't get vetted by our California media on their way up.

00:32:37.660 It's literally a system where the straight white guy at the top, Gavin Newsom, hands out

00:32:43.180 little DEI appointments all about characteristics that are irrelevant.

00:32:50.460 Literally, this is the system in California.

00:32:53.060 This is why we're so broken.

00:32:54.740 Every single statewide office is held by Democrats and the media are all just letting them get

00:33:01.780 away with this.

00:33:02.460 This this governor of Maryland should have been vetted by the Maryland media.

00:33:07.940 Why?

00:33:08.340 Why didn't people check to see did he really receive an award?

00:33:11.500 I can guarantee you if a Republican says they've won an award, someone is checking.

00:33:16.540 If a Republican says they graduated from Harvard, someone is checking.

00:33:20.740 But we don't get that same system on the left.

00:33:24.400 Now the commanding officer says, oh, he's going to resubmit the paperwork so that he can be awarded

00:33:30.840 the medal, of course, because they want him to be the next Obama.

00:33:35.480 Yeah, they're trying to clean it up.

00:33:36.820 By the way, I'll just tell you a quick story.

00:33:38.320 When I was in law school, a friend of mine at Albany Law School was applying for the same

00:33:42.860 job that I was at this great firm.

00:33:45.320 And usually they only took one person from Albany Law School.

00:33:48.000 So in that way, we were in competition for each with each other, even though we were friends.

00:33:52.100 And this guy, we were comparing resumes one day.

00:33:55.020 Mine was thin.

00:33:56.200 All I'd done is go to gone to college and then law school.

00:33:58.760 And he had not only been an Olympic athlete, but he had served the country in Desert Storm

00:34:04.080 and had been awarded the Bronze Star for valor, Rick.

00:34:08.720 I knew I was screwed.

00:34:10.240 I was like, oh, my God, his name is Brian Farlow.

00:34:13.160 And he was amazing.

00:34:14.740 The happy ending is we both got offered jobs and we both took them at the same firm and

00:34:18.360 we're great friends.

00:34:19.240 But he never told me three years of law school.

00:34:22.360 He never mentioned that he had been awarded the Bronze Star.

00:34:25.260 And even now, I went and looked up his his professional bio just for kicks.

00:34:29.840 He doesn't mention he mentions his military service.

00:34:32.480 He doesn't mention it there either.

00:34:33.820 But I know it's true. 0.94

00:34:35.520 And by the way, he then went after a successful law career and reenlisted to fight in 2007,

00:34:42.960 2006.

00:34:43.460 Now, at this point, he's long in the tooth.

00:34:44.900 That's a real American hero there.

00:34:46.840 And he got it, I'll just tell you quickly, because he was in this tank unit and he needed

00:34:52.040 to get gasoline.

00:34:54.020 Forgive me, Brian Farlow, if I screw this up, but he needed to get gasoline to the tanks

00:34:57.240 that were at the front.

00:34:58.600 And they were almost out of gas and he knew.

00:35:01.700 And the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

00:35:05.020 So that's the way he wanted to take his troops and the gasoline.

00:35:08.940 But his commanding officer said no, because he knew he'd have to go through a minefield.

00:35:12.900 So Brian got out.

00:35:14.320 As the commanding officer, you're not supposed to be front.

00:35:16.020 You're supposed to be like in a couple cars back.

00:35:18.280 So you don't get blown up.

00:35:19.900 He got out personally, went to the front, went the straight line and personally moved

00:35:24.680 the mines.

00:35:25.780 You could see them.

00:35:26.860 They look like the size of manhole covers, he told me.

00:35:29.120 And move them. 0.54

00:35:29.980 We pick them up himself and move them off to the sides, clearing a path.

00:35:33.860 They got to the front.

00:35:34.760 They refueled those tanks and save the lives of the guys.

00:35:38.100 First thing that happened when he got up there was he got yelled at by his commanding officer

00:35:41.800 who knew he had disobeyed an order.

00:35:44.620 And that was the guy who submitted, Brian, for the Bronze Star.

00:35:49.540 I love this story because it does show the selflessness of our troops, the honorable ones.

00:35:54.380 And to lie and say you got that award when you didn't, Wes Moore, is disgraceful.

00:35:59.820 Well, this is what, as you're telling the story, I'm sitting here thinking of all the people

00:36:04.840 who pretend like they did something like that and climb up and use it.

00:36:10.580 That's the most outrageous thing.

00:36:13.220 You really, you steal the valor from the people who actually did those moments.

00:36:18.600 You steal it because it becomes, you know, commonplace.

00:36:23.560 You put yourself in this group when you didn't do anything great.

00:36:27.720 And that's what makes people angry.

00:36:29.760 And people should be angry.

00:36:31.760 And again, we go back to just the basic criteria of being a journalist is being skeptical of everyone,

00:36:39.940 not just one party.

00:36:41.060 Yeah.

00:36:42.900 Okay.

00:36:43.340 So on that front, let's talk about Trump and his abortion comments,

00:36:45.860 because he was asked by NBC in Michigan whether he's going to vote for a Florida law.

00:36:53.360 Florida made its abortion limit six weeks.

00:36:55.560 But there's a ballot measure in Florida and Nevada and Arizona this November to try to get Democrats to the polls,

00:37:04.560 and they're hoping to vote for Kamala and other Dems, that would expand the abortion procedure, 0.85

00:37:11.640 the abortion limits in Florida to be beyond row levels. 0.98

00:37:16.480 I mean, to 24 weeks, they say viability, which is 24 to 28 weeks that you can have an abortion up to.

00:37:23.340 And there's a health exception for the mother, which any pro-lifer will tell you entirely swallows the ban,

00:37:31.100 any sort of ban.

00:37:31.800 You can find doctors who in the ninth month will say the mother's mental health requires an abortion.

00:37:37.600 So this is why pro-lifers are recoiling in response to this amendment.

00:37:41.120 And Trump was asked about it by this reporter.

00:37:43.740 Do we have it, his comments?

00:37:46.400 Yes, we do, right?

00:37:47.700 Here it is, Sot 19.

00:37:50.120 You overturned row and you want abortion to be a state's rights issue.

00:37:53.900 In Florida, the state that you are a resident of, there's an abortion-related amendment on the ballot to overturn the six-week ban in Florida.

00:38:02.960 How are you going to vote on that?

00:38:04.160 Well, I think the six-week is too short.

00:38:06.300 It has to be more time.

00:38:07.840 And so that's, and I've told them that I want more weeks.

00:38:10.820 So you'll vote in favor of the amendment?

00:38:12.120 I'm voting that, I am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks.

00:38:15.980 So he doesn't say he's going to vote for this amendment, but he says I'm voting that we need more than six weeks, which I don't think is an option.

00:38:26.600 I think it's either you vote for the amendment or you don't.

00:38:28.540 But in any event, now the campaign is trying to walk it back a bit, Rick, saying he wasn't saying he's in favor of the amendment.

00:38:36.180 And, you know, the left is having some, making some hay out of this, saying he doesn't know where he stands.

00:38:41.580 He's a flip-flopper, just like, just like they say Kamala is.

00:38:44.660 And then the pro-life side has spoken out quite a bit about this, saying, oh my, like, what is he doing?

00:38:52.260 Well, first of all, you won't be surprised I'm not an expert on abortion, but let me give you my opinion.

00:38:56.760 I'm so thankful that Donald Trump has let this up to the states.

00:39:01.480 I think it's the right decision to not have a federal ban or some sort of a law that would mandate it federally.

00:39:12.180 What I do love is that there's an acquiescence to the states.

00:39:16.300 What works in some states doesn't work in others.

00:39:19.400 And so I think the media is correct in trying to say to President Trump, you live in Florida, how are you going to vote?

00:39:26.560 But one thing that we know is absolutely certain, Donald Trump is pro-life.

00:39:31.580 Look what he's done to the Supreme Court.

00:39:33.840 I do know that through my 25 years in politics, pro-life community has been asking to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:39:42.500 Every single president promised to go after that and do that.

00:39:46.020 And there's only one that was able to do that, and that's Donald Trump.

00:39:50.200 And so he's demonstrated that he is absolutely pro-life.

00:39:53.640 These questions now, as we get into the details, are very difficult.

00:39:59.100 And I think Donald Trump has been very respectful about the process and is now saying, let's just make sure that the Democrats don't play games here.

00:40:09.700 We should have some guardrails, but let the states figure out those guardrails. 1.00

00:40:14.180 Well, he's gotten articles like this from National Review, Trump stabs Florida pro-lifers in the front.

00:40:22.800 They're unhappy about this and about the fact that he also said he wants he's going to put some policy in place that mandates coverage of IVF, either by the government or by insurance companies.

00:40:35.800 Look, those of us who are pro-IVF, it sounds good in theory, but how are we going to pay for that?

00:40:41.740 This sounds like an Obamacare mandate, and Trump kind of veers sometimes toward big government, which isn't great.

00:40:49.420 You know, big spending, bottomless, you know, bags of cash, which we don't have.

00:40:56.040 Look, what I would say about the IVF issue is that we definitely have a population problem. 0.69

00:41:01.680 If you dig deep into some of our labor issues and the future of the United States, we have to have a labor force.

00:41:10.780 We have to have birth rates that go up, and we're struggling with that.

00:41:15.440 A lot of countries around the world are struggling with that.

00:41:18.860 And so being able to utilize technology in order to increase our birth rates through IVF, I think is fantastic.

00:41:26.380 We should celebrate technology.

00:41:28.600 God gave us the ability to use technology.

00:41:31.380 I grew up evangelical Christian, and I can tell you every single person in my family, and there are a lot of evangelical ministers, support the idea that IVF is allowing families to be able to have kids utilizing the technology and the brainpower that God gave us to be able to expand their family and have, you know, a celebration of life.

00:41:53.860 Right.

00:41:55.060 Right.

00:41:55.600 It's just, and I mean, I don't mean to diminish your statement because there are some Republicans who disagree with that, who don't like IVF because it creates embryos that may or may not get used.

00:42:04.300 But IVF costs about 20,000 bucks a cycle.

00:42:07.420 There were about 390,000 of them just in 2022.

00:42:11.240 That averages out to about 7.8 billion for just that one year.

00:42:17.100 So where are we going to get the money, right?

00:42:19.760 Where are we going to get the money?

00:42:20.760 We're going to make the government pay.

00:42:22.140 We're going to make private insurance pay.

00:42:23.620 That's going to jack up prices and premiums. 0.74

00:42:27.140 And, you know, it sounds to many just like an empty campaign promise meant to shore up his vote with the women, Rick.

00:42:34.500 Well, let's be honest about one thing.

00:42:36.480 Donald Trump doesn't do empty campaign promises.

00:42:38.820 I could go through the list of foreign policy promises that he promised in the campaign and delivered when other people didn't.

00:42:45.860 And so I would take it to the bank that if Donald Trump says something, he's going to deliver on it.

00:42:51.240 He's not a politician.

00:42:52.180 He is somebody who is thoughtful.

00:42:54.640 And I can tell you, being in the Oval Office with him, when there are big issues, he's not thinking about partisan politics.

00:43:01.660 He is literally the guy who wants to find a solution to the problems.

00:43:06.660 And a lot of times, as this example shows, he's the guy that doesn't stick with whatever the partisan lingo is.

00:43:14.680 He's he's looking at the situation and he's tries to say, OK, what's the solution?

00:43:19.100 He does get in trouble that he is not a partisan on all of these issues.

00:43:23.660 I'll give you that.

00:43:25.500 What do you make of the fact that, you know, Dasha Burns of NBC gets in Trump's face to ask him about a voter ballot initiative where Trump lives in Florida?

00:43:34.840 Florida. And I saw you raising this point on X.

00:43:38.380 What's Kamala Harris's home state again? 0.99

00:43:41.800 My state of California.

00:43:43.160 And she didn't say anything about the debacle that we just had two nights ago about reparations where Democrats promised black people in California that they would be paid for all of these problems of the past.

00:43:59.660 They promised them, Megan, for a year and a half.

00:44:02.340 We've been telling they've been telling the black voters in California, you are going to get paid. 0.97

00:44:07.820 We've had story upon story about it in the L.A. Times and the Sacramento Bee.

00:44:12.600 And then in the dead of night when it was time for a vote, what did they do?

00:44:17.260 They pulled it.

00:44:19.000 They said, we're not voting on it.

00:44:20.920 And people are furious about the the being duped.

00:44:27.060 They literally used black people in California for a year and a half to pretend like we've got something coming for you. 0.97

00:44:35.180 And and by the way, let's let's also state very clearly the Democrats have a super majority in Sacramento.

00:44:42.280 They don't even they can't be stopped by Republicans.

00:44:46.360 The state Senate, the state assembly and the governor, Gavin Newsom, are all Democrats in a super majority and they can do anything they want.

00:44:57.640 They pulled the bill and people are furious.

00:45:00.860 It's a big story in California and our media is still not covering it.

00:45:04.240 And where's Dasha Burns with the mic in her face? 0.95

00:45:07.020 Oh, she can't because Kamala Harris is on a phone call with her AirPods in. 1.00

00:45:11.140 I mean, literally nobody believes that she was actually on the phone.

00:45:14.160 It's just so fake and how she runs, runs, runs from the media.

00:45:20.100 There's one piece of media she's going to run to, and that will be the movies.

00:45:24.200 I think October 11th, because, Rick, it turns out that this disgusting film, I think it's called The Apprentice.

00:45:31.960 Yeah, it's by Gabe Sherman, who makes his living attacking Republican white whales.

00:45:38.420 First, it was Roger Ailes for many, many years, and then he died.

00:45:41.400 So he moved on to Donald Trump.

00:45:44.180 It's going to hit theaters.

00:45:46.120 There was a question about whether it would.

00:45:48.780 And in this movie, reportedly, there is a scene of Donald Trump raping his wife, Ivana Trump.

00:45:56.780 The movie got a standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival.

00:46:02.160 They just released a clip showing Jeremy Strong, the actor who played Kendall Roy in Succession, as Roy Kahn, a young lawyer advising a then-inept Donald Trump.

00:46:14.500 This guy doesn't even look like Trump, but whatever.

00:46:16.320 It's this inept, buffoon version of Trump who can't make a phone call sounding tough.

00:46:21.060 I'll show you the clip.

00:46:21.960 Listen, Judy, about 100 reporters were crawling up my ass to get this interview, and I gave you the exclusive... 0.92

00:46:29.740 Yes, hello, Judy.

00:46:32.940 This is Donald Trump.

00:46:34.580 Very excited.

00:46:35.500 Very excited to talk to you.

00:46:36.700 Be excited.

00:46:37.180 Donald, tell them the lawsuit behind you.

00:46:39.420 What do you want to do next?

00:46:41.400 Well, I intend to acquire the Commodore, and I'm planning on making it the best and the finest building in the city.

00:46:49.040 Maybe the country.

00:46:50.740 In the world.

00:46:51.960 Judy, in the world.

00:46:52.880 It's going to be the finest building in the world.

00:46:54.260 It's going to be a spectacular hotel.

00:46:56.200 Absolutely spectacular.

00:46:57.780 First class.

00:46:59.380 And, uh...

00:46:59.800 That sounds very ambitious.

00:47:01.760 Where do you get the drive?

00:47:02.820 You're still so young, Donald.

00:47:03.980 I've got flair, and I'm smart, so I think that's going to make me successful.

00:47:08.220 But I also want to stay humble.

00:47:11.780 Sorry, Judy.

00:47:12.620 Listen, let's do the rest in person, and bring a photographer, okay?

00:47:18.160 Sorry, Roy.

00:47:19.320 No, I mean, listen, it's your life.

00:47:21.300 Uh, you've got a ways to go, but, uh, you're learning.

00:47:25.820 Great.

00:47:26.620 So this hits theaters in the middle of early voting and about a month before the big election day.

00:47:32.320 Yeah, well, first of all, I have such a history with Gabe.

00:47:38.920 He totally lies.

00:47:40.600 I can't tell you how many times we've seen him completely lie and make stuff up.

00:47:45.800 Look, he is the type of reporter, and I use that term loosely, that when you're not on the front page of the paper, when you don't have a story that everyone's talking about, you literally make something up to be able to get into the ethos again.

00:48:00.960 I could name 10 reporters who do that constantly right now, and we know who they are, but the public doesn't know who they are.

00:48:08.960 But one thing that we should be absolutely certain of is that scene right there never happened.

00:48:14.560 It's totally fake and phony.

00:48:16.240 Everyone can see.

00:48:17.320 It's not even accurate.

00:48:18.860 Anyone who goes to see the movie is a partisan hack.

00:48:21.780 I think it's going to have absolutely no impact on the election.

00:48:26.480 We've seen everything before, and Gabe, he's a buffoon.

00:48:30.980 Finally, on the foreign policy front, disastrous development.

00:48:34.960 Yay, we get to foreign policy.

00:48:36.400 That's my favorite.

00:48:37.800 I know.

00:48:38.440 I'm sorry.

00:48:39.420 So much else in the news, but they killed the hostages.

00:48:42.820 Hamas killed six of the hostages, including the American.

00:48:47.620 And there's been a lot of anger towards Bibi Netanyahu on the left.

00:48:50.880 If you listen to MSNBC, it's all about Netanyahu.

00:48:54.040 Whose fault is it?

00:48:55.760 And how does this affect our election?

00:48:59.480 Well, first of all, let's go back to October 7th.

00:49:02.320 Whose fault is it?

00:49:04.060 I mean, Hamas is the one who did it. 0.99

00:49:06.800 But they got their funding from Iran.

00:49:08.520 And you know who funded Iran is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:49:12.780 And this is just a fact.

00:49:14.480 In the Donald Trump administration, we had Iran squeezed.

00:49:18.220 They didn't have money to pursue a nuclear weapon.

00:49:20.520 And they certainly didn't have money to go out and fund the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah,

00:49:26.280 all of their actors that they pay to go out and cause terrorism around the world and wars.

00:49:34.060 And so when Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came in, they dropped the sanctions, the Trump sanctions on Iran, and they gave cash and credit to Iran.

00:49:45.220 So the total package that Biden-Harris gave to the regime in Tehran was hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:49:52.900 No one should be surprised when you give Tehran hundreds of billions of dollars that you're going to get the Houthi attacks, you're going to get Hamas attacks, you're going to get Hezbollah starting a war with Israel. 0.71

00:50:05.260 You literally are funding terrorism.

00:50:07.860 They are to blame.

00:50:08.740 It's now been 333 days, and we still don't have a diplomatic solution.

00:50:14.040 All we hear about is war and more war.

00:50:16.720 You can throw Ukraine and Russia in there, too.

00:50:18.860 Every politician is asked, are you for more funding or are you against more funding for the war?

00:50:24.620 It is war, war, war in Washington, D.C.

00:50:27.200 No one is doing peace.

00:50:29.580 We've shoved the State Department right off the map.

00:50:31.440 And it wasn't this way under Trump's administration.

00:50:34.220 I got to run because the computer cuts us off in about five seconds.

00:50:37.720 More on that next time.

00:50:39.540 Rick, thank you.

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00:51:47.320 Matt Walsh's first documentary explored a simple but weirdly controversial question.

00:51:58.240 What is a woman? 1.00

00:51:59.800 It was a huge success.

00:52:02.100 Coming up next week, Walsh has a new movie that asks a new question.

00:52:06.340 Am I racist?

00:52:07.640 It showcases the insane anti-racism movement that took the country and world by storm,

00:52:15.680 in particular after the death of George Floyd.

00:52:18.560 In the film, Walsh speaks to anti-racist educators and authors,

00:52:23.580 some of whom you may recognize, about their warped racist ideology.

00:52:30.160 But he also talks to everyday Americans.

00:52:32.820 Here is just a bit of the trailer.

00:52:35.160 Let's be clear.

00:52:36.040 What's happening in this country?

00:52:36.860 It's Nazism. 0.89

00:52:38.680 Republicans are Nazis.

00:52:40.180 You cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people. 1.00

00:52:44.480 Growing up in the 90s, I never thought much about race.

00:52:47.660 Sure, you noticed, but never really seemed to matter that much.

00:52:50.680 At least not to me.

00:52:51.660 Being a white, straight, cisgender man, it's the top of the pile. 1.00

00:52:54.860 I'm on the top of the pile.

00:52:55.760 That's me.

00:52:56.780 Am I racist?

00:52:58.180 I would really appreciate it if you left.

00:52:59.680 I'm trying to learn.

00:53:00.420 I'm on this journey.

00:53:00.960 Can you please leave?

00:53:02.680 I'm going to sort this out.

00:53:04.100 I need to go deeper undercover.

00:53:05.480 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one.

00:53:13.860 What is racism?

00:53:15.560 Martin Luther King said not to judge people by the...

00:53:17.860 Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff.

00:53:19.820 Is America inherently racist?

00:53:21.640 What the hell is that?

00:53:22.420 The word inherent is challenging there.

00:53:25.080 America is racist to its bones.

00:53:27.080 All of the...

00:53:27.500 So inherently.

00:53:28.180 Yeah.

00:53:28.380 The entire system has to burn.

00:53:30.840 And I'm not going to even use save this country.

00:53:32.260 This country is not worth saving.

00:53:33.740 This country is a piece of shit.

00:53:36.880 Oh, sorry.

00:53:39.540 Sorry.

00:53:40.700 Amazing.

00:53:41.920 Joining me now, Matt Walsh, host of The Daily Wire, is the Matt Walsh show and star and producer

00:53:46.420 of Am I Racist?

00:53:48.440 Welcome back, Matt.

00:53:49.460 Great to see you.

00:53:50.860 You too, Megan.

00:53:51.720 Thanks for having me.

00:53:53.200 Okay.

00:53:53.580 I watched it last night and I loved it.

00:53:56.220 So I have good news for you because I watched it with a focus group of two.

00:54:00.360 My husband, Doug Brunt, and I watched it together.

00:54:02.800 And I thoroughly enjoyed it for all sorts of reasons we can get into.

00:54:07.220 But Doug Brunt enjoyed it even more than I did because Doug, who is very affable and a great

00:54:14.480 guy, is not particularly prone to fits of emotion in any particular way.

00:54:19.580 And he laughed so many times, Matt.

00:54:23.180 He loved your deadpan, you know, just demeanor, your comments.

00:54:29.760 There are so many good ones where, like, I have so much I want to ask you about because

00:54:33.680 I don't know if any of it was scripted.

00:54:35.080 If not, you're incredibly clever, just like your matter-of-fact responses to people saying

00:54:41.900 the most outrageous things and your slow-boil provocateur approach to these people.

00:54:50.500 It was true genius.

00:54:51.620 So congrats.

00:54:53.680 Well, that's great to hear.

00:54:55.120 I really appreciate it.

00:54:56.640 And slow-boil provocateur is probably a good way of describing it, actually.

00:55:00.800 That's a great description of, you know, the approach we take in a number of the scenes

00:55:04.960 in the film.

00:55:06.320 I mean, I wondered whether you were getting worried at all about somebody blowing their

00:55:11.380 top because you were very respectful.

00:55:15.560 You weren't, you know, in people's faces.

00:55:18.080 But you would keep asking questions when you were told to stop.

00:55:21.980 You would keep, like, pressing little buttons when you could tell they were on their heels,

00:55:26.820 wondering what the hell had just walked into the room.

00:55:29.680 And you didn't stop once they were clearly uncomfortable.

00:55:33.220 So when you were doing all of this, was there ever a moment where you were like,

00:55:36.940 okay, now I might be in trouble?

00:55:40.560 There was never, I mean, there wasn't a moment where I ever felt sort of that my safety was

00:55:45.120 in jeopardy or anything like that.

00:55:46.420 But I guess, you know, a lot of people ask when we, on this film and also with What is

00:55:55.640 a Woman, that one of the main questions that I often will get is, you know, how do I keep

00:56:00.500 from laughing?

00:56:01.540 How do I keep a straight face when I'm in these rooms?

00:56:04.520 And the truth is that it's, you know, stopping myself from laughing is pretty easy, it turns

00:56:09.520 out.

00:56:09.780 Because when you're actually in the room doing this and you're in the room with these

00:56:13.200 people in real time, now obviously this is a movie, so we take, you know, this could

00:56:17.120 be like a two-hour interaction that I have.

00:56:19.040 We take, you know, there's five minutes that appear in the movie because it's a film.

00:56:23.540 But it's pretty intense.

00:56:25.580 And these are really unpleasant people most of the time.

00:56:28.600 So it's, looking back at it, of course, it's quite humorous.

00:56:34.540 But when you're in the moment, it's actually not all that funny to me when you're really

00:56:39.240 there and you're watching these people, especially these grifters who, you know, this is their 0.95

00:56:45.820 whole, this is what they do.

00:56:47.460 They take normal people and they try to break them down.

00:56:50.780 And it's like this brainwashing session that you see in the movie that goes on over and

00:56:54.740 over again.

00:56:55.960 Yes.

00:56:56.360 This is, it, it takes almost all of the things we've heard about the craziest DEI pushers

00:57:03.100 and puts them together in one movie.

00:57:06.560 So you can see this is real life.

00:57:09.340 These people exist.

00:57:11.040 They've been doing this.

00:57:12.480 They are doing this right now.

00:57:14.460 They hate America and they really don't much like white people. 0.63

00:57:19.920 And they would like all of us to feel the same.

00:57:22.660 So of all people to infiltrate their spaces, Matt Walsh gets in there and he finds out

00:57:30.900 soon into this film, Matt Walsh is not going to be able to do this as Matt Walsh.

00:57:34.740 He's too well-known at this point.

00:57:36.540 People are onto him.

00:57:37.500 And that brings me to one of the scenes that has been released and that's in the trailer.

00:57:41.340 This is Matt after he had attended a white privilege grief workshop.

00:57:46.880 And he gets up to leave the room for a moment and he comes back and realizes they've figured

00:57:52.360 it out.

00:57:53.020 Here's a bit in SOT 32.

00:57:55.680 I did everything I could to fit in.

00:57:58.140 I opened up.

00:57:59.680 I was raw and emotional.

00:58:01.880 I told them about my black friends.

00:58:04.400 It was no use.

00:58:05.940 They rejected me and they called the police.

00:58:09.360 My mere presence in the room caused them pain.

00:58:11.900 I'll never be accepted if I look like this.

00:58:17.540 If they know that I'm Matt Walsh, I'll always be an outsider.

00:58:22.060 I need to go deeper undercover.

00:58:24.340 A whole new identity.

00:58:26.480 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one.

00:58:29.740 Like someone who is progressive, tolerant, enlightened.

00:58:34.060 Let me think.

00:58:35.660 Have I ever met anyone like that?

00:58:39.080 Ah, yes.

00:58:40.380 Yes, I have.

00:58:42.900 What is a woman? 1.00

00:58:49.020 Why do you ask the question?

00:59:06.320 It's just a listening audience.

00:59:08.860 That's Matt getting dressed up just like a, well, you described the look you were going

00:59:13.920 for there.

00:59:16.220 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:59:17.380 You know, one thing I recognize about this film and many people have pointed out just

00:59:20.520 based on the trailer is that it's not the most convincing disguise in the world.

00:59:23.880 It's not like, this is not exactly a CIA level operation where I'm going in and facial

00:59:29.260 prosthetics and, you know, a fat suit or something.

00:59:32.360 We talked about doing that, maybe.

00:59:34.580 We talked about when we first started making the film, you know, what should I do to change

00:59:39.040 my appearance?

00:59:39.680 Of course, the idea of me shaving my beard was floated, which that's off the table immediately.

00:59:45.260 Other kind of things you could do.

00:59:46.480 And we didn't do any of that.

00:59:47.980 It's just a wig and, you know, a man bun, right? 0.84

00:59:54.520 Skinnier jeans than I would normally wear and, you know, white shoes.

00:59:57.960 It's like, that's the whole thing.

00:59:58.920 But, and then the question is, well, how did that fool anybody given that everything's

01:00:04.240 still the same?

01:00:04.880 You still sound like yourself.

01:00:06.300 And I think one of the answers to that is that for a lot of these people, they live in

01:00:13.280 such a bubble.

01:00:14.920 You know, they live in this bubble.

01:00:17.620 They never really encounter in their everyday life anyone who disagrees with them.

01:00:22.780 They never intentionally put themselves in a room with anyone who would ever challenge

01:00:27.540 them.

01:00:27.820 Robin DiAngelo appears later in the film and, uh, which, you know, you could see in the

01:00:32.280 trailer and I would, I would venture a guess.

01:00:35.160 I don't know this, but I would guess that Robin DiAngelo has not intentionally been in

01:00:40.180 a room with someone who doesn't already agree with her in like 20 years.

01:00:44.160 I don't know.

01:00:44.540 So I think that's part of it that they, they, there's a certain arrogance that comes from

01:00:48.900 being in this bubble and they just never could imagine that anyone like me would ever

01:00:53.720 be in their vicinity.

01:00:54.540 And so they kind of gave me the benefit of the doubt and the disguise didn't need to

01:00:59.100 be all that convincing because we're sort of using their, their arrogance and their kind 1.00

01:01:04.900 of false sense of intellectual security against them, I guess.

01:01:09.640 You've got your skinny jeans, your man bun and your Merce into which you put how to be an

01:01:16.340 anti-racist by Ibram X.

01:01:17.700 Kendi.

01:01:18.320 And when I saw it, I have to say, I really thought your inspo might've been a character

01:01:23.080 from a different daily wire production.

01:01:25.680 Mr.

01:01:26.060 Burcham in which I play Adam Carolla's wife.

01:01:28.860 He's Mr.

01:01:29.440 Burcham and it's the, the school DEI policeman named Mr.

01:01:34.660 Carpanzi.

01:01:35.380 Here he is.

01:01:36.860 My name is Mr.

01:01:37.920 Carpanzi.

01:01:38.780 My pronouns are he, him, and Z.

01:01:41.620 I'm a heteronormative, cisgendered white male for which I apologize.

01:01:47.860 What?

01:01:49.900 Even got the scooter, which I saw you on in this movie.

01:01:52.960 Tyler Fisher plays that role.

01:01:54.820 Any, any connection?

01:01:55.760 No, there, it's actually, I was amazed when I, when I, uh, saw that also in, in the show

01:02:02.700 because that's, that's just parallel thinking.

01:02:05.140 I don't know.

01:02:05.560 These two shows are being, these two things are being developed at the same time, you

01:02:08.920 know?

01:02:09.160 And, uh, and, uh, I don't know.

01:02:11.580 I guess it's just, if you want to play a crazy leftist, well, you got to have the man

01:02:16.600 bun.

01:02:16.920 You got to have the scooter.

01:02:17.940 So I don't know.

01:02:19.760 It's pretty amazing.

01:02:21.560 Yeah.

01:02:22.100 Okay.

01:02:22.500 So you, so in the movie, and I won't give away all the spoilers.

01:02:25.660 Cause it's fun to watch it unfold and realize how you threaded the needle, but you go quote

01:02:31.080 undercover and you are on a mission to figure out this DEI world.

01:02:35.880 And one of the greatest themes that just keeps, we just kept laughing was you get your DEI

01:02:41.360 certification at like a workshop, and then you're very proud of your card and use it in

01:02:48.240 a way that is just so perfect, Matt, because you show it to everybody.

01:02:50.920 You're so proud of your DEI certification card.

01:02:52.860 Not everybody has one as you can say, not everyone has it.

01:02:54.980 You keep telling everybody.

01:02:56.680 And the joke of it is so on the nose for those of us who have been following this nonsense,

01:03:00.280 which is of course, anyone can get one.

01:03:03.840 And yet there are all these people who are purported experts in this field who will grift

01:03:09.440 you to the nth degree because they have the little card or they have some diploma that's

01:03:15.460 given them an official education in this nonsense and they go out there and continue the grift.

01:03:22.100 Exactly.

01:03:22.680 It's, it's, it's, it's not a real subject.

01:03:25.140 That's the thing.

01:03:25.880 DEI is not a, it's not a real, uh, intellectual pursuit.

01:03:30.300 It's all completely made up and phony.

01:03:32.860 And so being an expert in that is just being an expert in nonsense.

01:03:36.780 Anyone can do it.

01:03:37.840 You'll see in the film that the process that I go through to get my, uh, certification is

01:03:44.020 it's, it's not a very, it's not a very grueling process.

01:03:47.660 Uh, in fact, it took about, I think not rigorous.

01:03:50.600 I took about, it took about 30 minutes, I think to get the, uh, to get the card.

01:03:53.640 And then what once it's not like anyone can say, oh, but you just got that one on a fake

01:03:58.420 website.

01:03:58.780 That's not a real one.

01:03:59.720 There is no real one.

01:04:00.880 There's no such thing as being really certified in DEI.

01:04:04.160 It's all completely, uh, made up and, and, you know, you just really, all it's about is

01:04:10.440 just showing ideological alignments with these race hustlers.

01:04:14.400 And if you do that, then you can, you have as much acclaim to being an expert as anybody

01:04:20.520 else in this field does.

01:04:23.540 Yes.

01:04:24.120 So you, I love it because it's not everyone has, I'm not very proud.

01:04:28.780 And you then go and introduce us to some of the characters that we've heard of on the

01:04:35.520 news who are pushing this craziness.

01:04:37.120 You mentioned D'Angelo, which everyone must see.

01:04:39.880 If you watch this movie for another reason, watch it to see the scene where Matt Walsh in

01:04:45.060 his man bun sits down with Robin D'Angelo.

01:04:48.720 I died.

01:04:50.020 It, I honestly, there were so many great moments in there.

01:04:53.100 Again, we'll keep them a secret.

01:04:54.520 But one of my favorites was when the issue of what is mansplaining, what is mansplaining?

01:05:02.300 And let's just say you're going to laugh, just as hard as Doug and I did when you get

01:05:05.500 to that scene.

01:05:06.440 But you did meet a different person who I'd never heard of before named Kate Slater.

01:05:11.880 So before I run this clip, tell us who is Kate Slater?

01:05:15.700 Well, she's one of these, she's an anti-racist educator. 0.99

01:05:19.600 She is very proud of innovating something.

01:05:22.280 I believe if I remember correctly, it's called the anti-racist roadmap, I think.

01:05:27.160 And so she's the first person we talked to in the film.

01:05:29.800 And that's why you see in the movie, I'm not in the whole costume when I talk to her.

01:05:33.080 Because we wanted to start the movie by just, well, she has a roadmap.

01:05:37.740 We want to talk to someone who can kind of, I'm just starting out, introduce me to the

01:05:42.560 basics of what this stuff is and tell me where to go next.

01:05:46.080 And, you know, you'll see in that interaction, she sort of lays out a map for me and tells

01:05:50.420 me, here's what you need to do.

01:05:51.700 Here's where you go next.

01:05:52.940 Here's what you should be doing.

01:05:53.800 And we, we set out to put that into practice in the film.

01:05:59.320 Yeah, you, you did it, but you, you clashed a bit, not really, but clash, you, you highlighted

01:06:04.560 an issue that actually someone I know actually had in their life.

01:06:09.980 They're not woke, but they were getting shamed for this Halloween costume because it's a white 0.99

01:06:15.020 family.

01:06:15.580 So you raised this.

01:06:16.660 Let's watch Sop 31 with Kate Slater.

01:06:18.720 My daughter's four years old.

01:06:21.880 I am an anti-racist educator, quote unquote.

01:06:25.300 She's still watching Disney movies and she is choosing a white princess over princesses 0.98

01:06:31.320 of color.

01:06:31.900 Have you talked to her about that?

01:06:33.020 All of the time.

01:06:34.120 My three-year-old daughter is very, her favorite princess is Moana.

01:06:38.120 Love it.

01:06:38.800 It's a good sign.

01:06:39.860 Yeah.

01:06:40.060 But then I also thought, you know, there's a little bit of cultural appropriation here.

01:06:45.000 She wants to be Moana for Halloween. 1.00

01:06:46.600 Mm-hmm.

01:06:47.480 So how do we navigate that?

01:06:50.080 Do I go and, and, and buy the Pacific Islander native attire for my white three-year-old?

01:06:56.800 Um, I wouldn't.

01:06:58.100 I wouldn't.

01:06:59.000 But I guess what we might call the Moana problem here is, is what, uh, on one hand is

01:07:04.740 cultural appropriation.

01:07:05.700 On the other hand, there's gravitating towards, uh, white characters.

01:07:10.720 Right.

01:07:11.360 So it's almost like no matter which way you go, you end up back in racism.

01:07:18.940 We think every space belongs to us because we live in a white supremacist society.

01:07:22.840 Is America an inherently racist country?

01:07:26.640 I think the word inherent is challenging there.

01:07:32.300 If we say-

01:07:33.680 Fundamentally.

01:07:34.340 Fundamentally.

01:07:35.100 Yes.

01:07:36.100 America is racist to its bones.

01:07:38.740 All of the- 0.95

01:07:39.240 So inherently.

01:07:40.100 Yeah.

01:07:41.840 Oh my gosh.

01:07:43.000 I mean, it's, it's so perfect.

01:07:44.760 You, your child must love Moana over any other Disney princess.

01:07:49.300 However, not to the point where she would ever actually want to dress like her or model her

01:07:54.540 behavior because then you've crossed into cultural appropriation.

01:07:58.080 See rule book, section 40, footnote 10.

01:08:02.380 Right.

01:08:02.920 You're, uh, that's why we, that's, that's why we now call it the Moana problem, that

01:08:07.340 you're, uh, you're racist no matter what. 0.82

01:08:08.840 And the thing is that that's, it's one of the many moments in the film where, uh, it's,

01:08:14.100 it, you know, it's supposed to, it's funny watching it, you know, and, uh, we're supposed

01:08:17.440 to laugh at it and I think that, I think that mockery and laughter is an appropriate response

01:08:22.100 to absurd things and what you just saw there is absurd.

01:08:25.640 But then on the other side of it, but once you go a little bit beneath the surface on

01:08:29.820 this thing, you see that it's actually, uh, it's awful too, uh, along with being funny

01:08:35.860 because, uh, this is the damned if you do damned if you don't situation that these people

01:08:42.680 set up where no matter what you're racist.

01:08:45.160 So they, they start by saying, uh, you're white, you're racist.

01:08:49.280 And then once they have you, you say, well, what do I do to not be racist anymore?

01:08:53.500 And they, they tell you what to do.

01:08:55.080 And after you do that, they say, well, good job for doing that.

01:08:57.500 But by the way, you're still racist.

01:08:58.680 And, and they, and, and this is a message that they do send to kids.

01:09:01.860 I think I said earlier in that interview before this moment, I asked her, uh, what's the right

01:09:07.680 age to start talking to your kids about their racism.

01:09:10.720 And she says basically from birth, like for, as soon as they're born, start letting them 0.97

01:09:16.040 know that they're racist.

01:09:17.480 And again, we can laugh at that as sane people, because we realize that it's completely ridiculous,

01:09:22.500 but she's serious.

01:09:24.500 And, uh, and there are people out there that take that advice and start, you know, hammering

01:09:29.180 this into their kid's head from birth.

01:09:30.820 And it's just, uh, it's horrendous.

01:09:33.840 It's abusive.

01:09:34.820 I mean, that you can see she's happy about it.

01:09:37.420 She's proud that she's, and she's disgusted by her child. 1.00

01:09:40.440 Who likes white princesses. 0.79

01:09:41.640 She's turned herself into a racist of a different kind. 1.00

01:09:44.880 I mean, that's obviously she's got some, I don't know, internalized hatred.

01:09:49.720 Um, her problem is her problem, unless it winds up in my kids' schools, which it has. 1.00

01:09:54.400 This is why the movie was so necessary.

01:09:57.520 So was there one thing in particular, Matt, that made you choose this as your next subject

01:10:02.020 after the huge success of what is a woman?

01:10:04.400 Well, it's hard to say one thing in particular.

01:10:07.240 I mean, I guess if there was one thing, it would be the big thing, which is in 2020 when,

01:10:12.880 uh, just the, the, the kind of racial insanity that took hold in 2020 after George Floyd.

01:10:20.140 Um, and a lot of the things that we saw after 2020, it, it, none of it was new, really.

01:10:25.560 I mean, even the riots we'd seen before, but it was ramped up to the nth degree.

01:10:30.620 And so that's one of the, probably the main thing that had me thinking about it.

01:10:34.440 Um, and beyond that, it's just, it's, it's cultural, you know, like noticing that I kind

01:10:40.740 of, I say earlier in the film, you see here in the preview that I can think of myself growing

01:10:45.420 up in the nineties and it was not a racial utopia.

01:10:48.740 I'm not claiming that I realized that you had the OJ trial, you had the race riots in LA

01:10:53.760 and that sort of thing.

01:10:54.600 But that sort of stuff was happening and we're never going to live in a utopia.

01:10:58.220 We're, we're, uh, we're human beings.

01:10:59.920 We're tribalistic by nature.

01:11:01.000 We're flawed.

01:11:01.560 You're always going to have things like racism, that's always going to be a part of the human

01:11:05.000 experience.

01:11:06.000 But my own anecdotal experience growing up, um, in a, you know, racially diverse area and

01:11:14.180 going to public school and, you know, people of all different races, it was like, you noticed

01:11:18.380 when people were a different race, but it didn't, you weren't focused on it intently all the

01:11:22.280 time and you weren't sitting around thinking about, Oh, am I racist?

01:11:26.780 Was that a racist interaction?

01:11:27.780 It just was, that wasn't a part of what you were doing.

01:11:30.380 Um, and recently that's been the case.

01:11:35.720 So it seems like we're very much going backwards and, and we are.

01:11:40.120 And that's because people like these grifters that we expose in the film, um, that's what 0.99

01:11:44.920 they want.

01:11:45.920 They, they very intentionally, they're taking people who otherwise wouldn't be that focused

01:11:50.660 on race.

01:11:51.660 And they're telling them that, no, you have to focus on this.

01:11:54.700 You should be focused on this all the time.

01:11:57.040 You think you're not racist because you don't hate people of other races, but actually you 1.00

01:12:00.980 are.

01:12:01.380 And in fact, if you say you're not racist and think that you're not racist, then that

01:12:05.380 means they're even more racist than, than, than anybody else.

01:12:08.320 And they just get people in up in their own heads.

01:12:11.580 And it's like this cycle of confusion and resentment that everybody gets caught up into.

01:12:16.240 And it's, uh, it's just evil.

01:12:18.740 We see Matt go through all these meetings and we'll go through a couple of them still,

01:12:22.400 but at the end you teach your own DEI course.

01:12:25.380 And it's, it's amazing because it's pretty disastrous, but you, you put to use every lesson

01:12:31.480 you learned in the film, you, you, that Matt Walsh, who's teaching the DEI.

01:12:36.360 Now the student has become the teacher is literally just doing exactly what you were told

01:12:42.240 to do by all the DEI experts that we met.

01:12:46.820 And then we see it in practice and it's just horrific to see it play out in front of your

01:12:52.040 like, Oh my gosh, you won't believe like what people do, what people say, but they do.

01:12:58.780 And I mean, it's almost like you can see how people in the mass psychosis can be almost

01:13:04.080 hypnotized into doing terrible, absolutely evil things.

01:13:08.340 If enough people in authority around them, tell them it's what's right.

01:13:13.020 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:14.020 That's exactly what we tried to do in the film.

01:13:16.000 That was the point of the film really was to, uh, whereas with what is a woman, we have 1.00

01:13:21.000 this central question that I'm just asking almost blank slate, sort of basically skeptical

01:13:26.260 the whole way through asking this question, uh, with this, the kind of twist on that is

01:13:31.660 that, um, asking questions, but rather than remaining skeptical, we decided I'm just going

01:13:38.280 to believe whatever I'm told by these people.

01:13:40.800 It's all, I'll accept whatever they say.

01:13:43.460 And then I'll try to put that into practice and, um, and I'll try to do it as deliberately

01:13:47.860 as I possibly can.

01:13:49.640 And so that, so that rather than sort of explaining why what they're saying is terrible, we want

01:13:55.960 to show people what actually happens when you put this into practice.

01:13:59.760 And that, that does lead in the end to my, uh, DEI seminar that, that I put on.

01:14:04.280 And, um, and, you know, you'll see in the film there, it, that kind of, it starts a little

01:14:11.400 bit crazy.

01:14:11.860 It gets a lot crazier.

01:14:12.720 Uh, we have a couple of things at the end of that seminar that we know we want to try

01:14:18.000 and we had no idea going in whether the people in the room would go along with it or not.

01:14:23.360 And I, I really hoped the, I think you asked at the beginning, was I ever worried in these,

01:14:27.280 in these, uh, scenes.

01:14:28.920 I was actually worried here because in a way it's like, we're going to take this someplace.

01:14:33.720 I hope they don't go along with it because that's really depressing if they do.

01:14:37.500 On the other hand, if they don't go along with it, then it doesn't, it doesn't really

01:14:40.400 work for the movie as well, but at the same time, I'd rather, I'd rather have faith in

01:14:43.700 humanity than have a good movie.

01:14:45.560 Um, and, uh, and unfortunately, you know, they, they follow us all the way down the rabbit

01:14:50.660 hole because what we found is that once you start playing on people's just guilt that they

01:14:58.800 carry around, uh, it, they'll go anywhere.

01:15:02.700 They'll go along with anything.

01:15:04.140 And, um, and that's what these grifters have certainly discovered.

01:15:08.480 They can be exploited.

01:15:10.840 The, the interviews are so great.

01:15:13.980 And I, you know, most of the time you sit there thinking, how on earth did he get these?

01:15:18.140 Cause you also did press appearances in your fake role in your man bun.

01:15:22.080 And that's great.

01:15:23.180 You highlight them throughout the, as like this expert.

01:15:27.140 So how did all that come about to the extent you're willing to tell me, you know, like,

01:15:31.620 do you tell Robin DiAngelo?

01:15:33.140 I assume you don't.

01:15:33.820 It's Matt Walsh.

01:15:35.060 How do you get these people to sit across from this other version of you?

01:15:40.400 Yeah.

01:15:41.100 I don't want to go into all of how the sausage was made on that, but I will say that, well,

01:15:45.560 everybody signed waivers.

01:15:46.620 I will say they all, they all agreed, uh, to be filmed.

01:15:49.800 And, and so that was all above board.

01:15:53.020 But, um, beyond that, I guess I just go back to what I said earlier that they, they live

01:16:01.660 in a bubble and, and they're very insulated.

01:16:04.040 Um, and so that, that worked against them in this case.

01:16:09.200 I mean, you know, any of these people at any time, they could have put a stop.

01:16:13.880 They could have got up and left.

01:16:15.020 They could have said, I don't want to continue this.

01:16:16.640 Uh, they could have done that at any time, but, um, but they didn't because I think, again,

01:16:23.400 they're just, they're just very, they're very insulated from the real, real world in many

01:16:29.260 ways.

01:16:30.060 Is there a big reveal Matt, like between you and your team and the subject, like before

01:16:36.140 you dropped the trailer, you know, a few days ago, did Robin DiAngelo know that she was

01:16:41.320 part of like a Matt Walsh documentary?

01:16:43.220 No, there's no reveal.

01:16:45.820 We, uh, you know, well, the reveal was, was the trailer, I guess, for them, but not on

01:16:51.220 the day.

01:16:52.120 Um, you know, Robin DiAngelo, we had our, we had our, uh, our, our session with her, I

01:16:57.340 guess.

01:16:57.940 And she left and, you know, everything was, everything was friendly.

01:17:01.780 I shook her hand and said bye.

01:17:04.260 And, uh, we parted ways.

01:17:06.520 That was it.

01:17:08.060 So all these people find out now or when they see the movie.

01:17:11.860 Yeah, they do.

01:17:12.540 And so far, as far as I know, none of them have said anything publicly.

01:17:16.500 I don't think we've heard from Robin DiAngelo, I think shut down her Twitter account.

01:17:20.520 I don't know if that's connected, but you know, seems likely that it was, uh, she hasn't

01:17:24.920 said anything publicly.

01:17:25.700 I don't know if she will.

01:17:27.340 You kind of assume that she will eventually, but also, um, there's not a lot she can say.

01:17:32.740 I mean, she, she, she makes an absolute fool out of herself. 1.00

01:17:37.660 Keep going.

01:17:38.900 Right.

01:17:39.300 And we don't, and it's not like, um, there's deceptive editing where we try to make it seem

01:17:44.320 like they said or did things they didn't do.

01:17:46.140 None of that happens.

01:17:46.760 This is all, this is all real.

01:17:48.260 This is what they said and did in real life.

01:17:50.700 And so maybe that's one of the reasons why so far they haven't said anything because there's,

01:17:55.480 there's not a whole lot to say.

01:17:59.080 Right.

01:17:59.500 What can she say?

01:18:00.240 She is in the midst of a plagiarism scandal right now.

01:18:03.680 That also could be related to the Twitter account.

01:18:06.080 It's unbelievable.

01:18:06.480 Of course, you know, like all these so-called experts wind up, we wind up finding out, yes,

01:18:11.320 they're frauds, but they're frauds in multiple ways.

01:18:13.900 And so the Free Beacon did an in-depth, in-depth report on Robin DiAngelo.

01:18:19.360 Not only is she accused of, of, um, plagiarizing, hold on a second, I'm trying to find it, but

01:18:26.500 she plagiarized minorities, Matt.

01:18:29.980 She, Robin DiAngelo, according to the Free Beacon, not only stole thoughts and language 0.96

01:18:34.580 from others in connection with her PhD dissertation, but several of the scholars were minorities,

01:18:42.400 including lifting paragraphs, uh, this is attributed to the Beacon again, without proper

01:18:47.080 attribution, omitting quotation marks and in-text citations, including of an Asian American

01:18:53.040 professor at Northeastern University, Thomas Nakayama and his co-author, and then of Stacey

01:19:00.380 Lee, an Asian American professor, uh, at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

01:19:05.180 And, uh, this is even more egregious because she wrote on her website that you must always

01:19:14.720 cite and give credit to the work of BIPOC people, meaning black, indigenous people of color who

01:19:21.480 have informed your thinking.

01:19:22.720 When you use a phrase or idea, you get from a BIPOC person, credit them. 0.99

01:19:26.600 Um, otherwise, Matt Walsh, you're guilty of white privilege and racism.

01:19:32.640 Exactly.

01:19:33.160 Well, I will say slightly in her defense that she's probably not the first white person to

01:19:37.840 copy off an Asian person to finish an assignment.

01:19:40.580 Uh, I, I'm going to have done that a time or two myself when I was in high school, but,

01:19:44.660 uh, but really in this case, it's, it's, it's easy to see how that happens.

01:19:49.600 And I'm sure that there's plagiarism.

01:19:51.880 Um, I don't know this for a fact, but I feel pretty confident that if you were to check

01:19:56.320 many of these, uh, prominent anti-racist scholars and do a little plagiarism check, you're probably

01:20:02.420 going to find a lot of it.

01:20:03.760 And the reason is that, again, it's not a real subject.

01:20:07.240 Like there's, it's, there's not a lot to say.

01:20:09.640 It's all so empty and fake that all they're doing is just recycling kind of the same idea.

01:20:14.560 Really the, with these anti-racist people, there is one core idea.

01:20:20.140 There's basically one insight, which is not really an insight because it's, it's not true,

01:20:24.620 but their one core idea is that, uh, white people are inherently racist and are the oppressors

01:20:32.780 of history and everybody who's not white is the victim. 0.51

01:20:36.500 And that really, that's not even, you know, uh, a straw man or trying to oversimplify their

01:20:43.120 point of view.

01:20:43.580 That is their point of view.

01:20:45.000 And that's really it.

01:20:46.340 Everything just kind of grows from that root.

01:20:49.440 And so in any paper, if you're to sit and read, I actually read, I read Robin DiAngelo's

01:20:53.660 book, white fragility in, in preparation for our interview with her.

01:20:57.240 And it's really just that it just circles around that idea over and over and over again.

01:21:01.900 And it's, it's not surprising that they end up, uh, recycling each other quite a bit.

01:21:07.260 The only person you didn't get, I assume you tried for was Ibram X. Kendi who just, he's

01:21:15.200 like Kamala Harris in his aversion to sit downs.

01:21:17.900 He will not talk to anyone or debate anyone.

01:21:22.860 That guy will only go into the safest of safe spaces.

01:21:27.240 Doesn't matter if you're black, white, conservative, liberal.

01:21:31.040 I mean, he just doesn't talk.

01:21:33.320 He puts out his books and he lets that nonsense stand for itself.

01:21:38.760 Yeah.

01:21:39.340 Yeah, he does.

01:21:39.800 And we did, we did reach out to him and, and, uh, we, we found that that Kamala Harris

01:21:44.080 is a good, is a good analogy that, um, he's just not, he's very, very careful about who

01:21:51.200 he sits down with, which is why you don't see him pop up in, uh, in very many, many interviews

01:21:56.040 at all.

01:21:57.040 And that's because maybe he has a certain amount of self-awareness that Robin D'Angelo

01:22:01.880 doesn't.

01:22:02.820 And that if I were to try to read his mind, maybe at some level he recognizes how thin and

01:22:10.500 shallow a lot of this stuff is.

01:22:12.920 And he knows it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

01:22:14.620 So he's careful about subjecting himself to it.

01:22:18.440 Mm-hmm.

01:22:19.560 Unlike Robin D'Angelo, who talks a lot and charges a lot of money, um, including 15 grand, uh,

01:22:26.520 to the Matt Walsh team.

01:22:27.560 But that's the lead.

01:22:28.200 You got off with a bargain.

01:22:29.400 Let me tell you, Matt Walsh, because her therapeutic workshops can cost up to $40,000.

01:22:35.220 She makes almost a million dollars in a year in speaking fees. 0.90

01:22:40.000 She is, um, into the, she's in the top 1% of American earners. 0.99

01:22:45.320 She has now three houses worth millions of dollars. 0.99

01:22:49.740 So her grift is quite effective. 0.74

01:22:52.060 And all you need to do is say things like this, which she said in a webinar in March of

01:22:56.800 23, and you too could have several million dollars, homes, and be on the New York Times

01:23:02.460 bestseller list for years, SOT35.

01:23:04.620 I'm a big believer in affinity space and affinity work.

01:23:09.360 And I think people of color need to get away from white people and, and have some community, 0.92

01:23:15.360 um, with each other.

01:23:18.600 Just got to get away from us.

01:23:19.920 We're so annoying.

01:23:21.080 And especially Robin D'Angelo for that matter.

01:23:23.680 Um, let's take a quick pause and then we'll come back and we've got to talk about the round

01:23:29.660 table.

01:23:30.080 The audience is going to remember this, those crazy lunatic women who will charge you five 1.00

01:23:34.700 grand, I think, to sit around your dinner table and tell you what a racist you are.

01:23:38.980 Matt Walsh infiltrated one of those.

01:23:41.620 I, it, it had the most hateful people of all the hateful people in the movie.

01:23:47.140 And it was fascinating to watch.

01:23:49.400 We've got a clip more with Matt right after this quick break.

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01:24:54.420 Here is that clip I promised you before the break as Matt in waiter gear infiltrates one

01:25:02.600 of these, you are a racist sessions where you can pay somebody five grand to tell you

01:25:08.160 those horrible things about yourself and your country.

01:25:10.060 Watch this.

01:25:10.780 White people are starved for these conversations. 0.97

01:25:12.540 We are.

01:25:12.860 We're so starving.

01:25:13.800 Yeah.

01:25:14.020 We are so starving for this.

01:25:16.560 Anyone else want to say anything?

01:25:19.920 I'll just say one thing.

01:25:20.940 I'm so glad we can have these conversations and I'll be done.

01:25:23.400 But I'm just so glad that we could all get together and have these conversations.

01:25:28.320 That's all I wanted to say.

01:25:29.580 Is he an actor?

01:25:30.700 Are you an actor?

01:25:32.440 Oh, no.

01:25:32.780 Why don't you let us, we're trying to listen and trying to have this conversation.

01:25:35.900 Okay.

01:25:36.260 You know, we're all acting all the time in our lives.

01:25:39.740 And I think that that's part of the problem, you know?

01:25:44.540 That it's like we're all trying to play a part rather than just being real and having

01:25:47.660 these uncomfortable conversations.

01:25:49.720 And that's what I'm always trying to tell people, especially, you know, white women.

01:25:52.860 No offense.

01:25:53.240 No, but see, like, you're a white dude.

01:25:55.960 There's power positions and, you know, it's pointing, pointing, white people pointing 0.60

01:26:02.960 fingers at each other is not helpful.

01:26:04.880 You know, I've been on this journey for so long.

01:26:07.580 And just to see you guys at the table having this conversation has been really enlightening

01:26:12.160 for me.

01:26:13.320 Anyway, I got the DEI certification and I'm just on the journey.

01:26:19.600 All right.

01:26:20.280 You ladies have a great night.

01:26:23.240 decolonize yourself, do your own white supremacy dismantling, and then you can start to bring

01:26:37.040 in other people.

01:26:38.020 Can I just say one last thing?

01:26:39.460 Can I just propose a toast?

01:26:40.320 He's back.

01:26:41.560 I mean, just raise a glass if you're racist.

01:26:45.120 And that's the thing.

01:26:47.840 Cheers.

01:26:48.340 Oh, I'm not racist.

01:26:49.340 Let me take my glass.

01:26:49.880 Well, all the rest of it.

01:26:50.740 It's a racist.

01:26:54.960 To racist.

01:27:01.480 Who were those two lunatics at the top of the table?

01:27:05.940 So that's Syrah Rao and Regina Jackson, and they run the Race to Dinner program.

01:27:14.120 And the program is basically they come to dinner and you pay them thousands of dollars, and

01:27:21.400 they'll sit there and explain why you're racist.

01:27:24.560 And that's what they did in that scene.

01:27:26.760 And of course, in real time, it was like two hours of this, just them sitting there talking

01:27:31.400 to these white women and just breaking them down emotionally, intellectually, explaining 1.00

01:27:38.760 to them why they're racist, having them confess instances of them being racist, really just

01:27:45.400 it's the most intense brainwashing session I've ever witnessed, and probably the only

01:27:50.380 real brainwashing session I've ever witnessed in real time in the room.

01:27:54.200 And it was pretty disturbing to watch.

01:27:56.520 But when we decided to make this movie, I had heard of these Race to Dinner things a couple

01:28:02.080 of years ago, and when we decided to make this movie on this subject, the first thing

01:28:06.200 I said is we've got to get into one of these Race to Dinners. 0.96

01:28:09.220 We have to get there.

01:28:11.400 The problem is that the dinner is only for white women, which is pretty interesting. 1.00

01:28:18.300 So when we called them and we asked about, you know, is it possible for a man to attend?

01:28:23.980 They said, no, you have to be a woman. 1.00

01:28:25.740 And then that brings us back, now it's like a sequel to what is a woman, because that brings 0.88

01:28:29.540 us back to the question, well, what do you mean you have to be a woman? 1.00

01:28:32.240 What is that?

01:28:33.100 Right.

01:28:33.560 And I think if I remember correctly, the way that they threaded that needle, because

01:28:36.640 their real answer was, well, no, you have to be a real woman. 1.00

01:28:39.460 But they didn't say that.

01:28:40.540 So they said something like, well, you have to be someone who is socialized as a woman. 1.00

01:28:46.240 That's who we allow.

01:28:47.080 So anyway, that ended with me not being able to attend.

01:28:50.520 So we had to find some other way to get in the building.

01:28:53.820 And as it turns out, you know, you can be a waiter serving the dinner and be a man.

01:28:58.880 And that's OK.

01:28:59.960 So that was our that was our loophole that we exploited.

01:29:03.140 And we kind of went into that scene.

01:29:04.540 And I knew that my goal was, well, I wanted to get them to toast racism.

01:29:10.380 I knew that.

01:29:11.520 But before that, I wanted to earn my seat at the table.

01:29:14.020 I had to somehow find a way to sit down at the table.

01:29:17.080 And then I'll know that I've sort of completed that step of my anti-racist journey, which which we did.

01:29:23.520 You nailed it.

01:29:24.640 That Saira Rao is the most hateful person in this entire film.

01:29:30.360 She's disgusting. 1.00

01:29:32.260 What an absolute pig this person is.

01:29:34.540 She hates America and she hates whites. 0.99

01:29:38.040 I mean, deeply hates.

01:29:40.180 Am I wrong?

01:29:42.260 Oh, I'm not wrong at all.

01:29:43.580 She says it herself.

01:29:45.160 She says it about America.

01:29:46.400 America is a piece of S, I believe she says her words.

01:29:49.960 And yeah, she's very clear.

01:29:52.420 She doesn't like white people.

01:29:53.420 We know that from the film.

01:29:54.500 We know that from her from her Twitter history.

01:29:57.520 I think she also has left Twitter recently.

01:30:00.380 So if this film had something to do with that, then I think.

01:30:03.400 Yeah.

01:30:03.800 That alone makes this movie worth it.

01:30:05.880 Right.

01:30:06.380 Totally.

01:30:06.740 But yeah, she just she's she's full of that. 1.00

01:30:10.560 That's obviously what motivates this person is a real resentment towards towards white people and wanting to find an outlet for that so that she could kind of very thinly veil it in in anti-racism or or or whatever.

01:30:25.800 Yeah, I mean, I walked away with no doubt of my own opinion of her that she hates whites, hates America and keeps finding these suckers like these poor women. 1.00

01:30:36.400 I'm sorry, but they're pathetic, too.

01:30:38.360 Every single one of those women is absolutely pathetic for agreeing to this, for paying this money and for letting this woman speak to them that way. 1.00

01:30:44.160 I have half a mind, not for a documentary, but just for kicks to invite her.

01:30:50.100 I have a couple of different places where I spend my time and she wouldn't know it was me and I'll just show up and then she and I can do battle.

01:30:56.440 It'll actually be really fun.

01:30:57.640 I love I'm a white woman.

01:30:59.060 Go ahead and reform me, Syrah. 1.00

01:31:00.980 Let's see how it goes.

01:31:02.260 I think it's going to be fun for us both.

01:31:03.640 She was so annoying, but seeing you needle her and like tweak her and ultimately expose and thus embarrass her is very gratifying.

01:31:15.000 That's how you wind up feeling at the end of this, even though there are infuriating moments, like when seemingly normal people sign a petition to change the George Washington monument into.

01:31:28.100 The George Floyd monument.

01:31:29.640 Yeah.

01:31:29.840 And by the way, that was another one.

01:31:33.460 We went into that.

01:31:35.440 We wanted to do this petition in D.C.

01:31:38.160 And I honestly, I was like, nobody thinks of me as being optimistic, but I discovered making this movie that I was an optimistic person because I honestly, we went to do that scene and I was saying to the crew, like, I don't know if anyone's really going to sign this.

01:31:52.540 Is anyone really going to sign a petition to change?

01:31:54.300 Maybe you could get people to sign a petition to take George Washington's name off the monument, but to replace it with the George Floyd monument, who would sign it?

01:32:03.520 And we found that our problem was the opposite.

01:32:06.260 We were having trouble finding anyone who wouldn't sign it.

01:32:09.440 Just the vast majority of people we stopped, white or black, they were, yeah, absolutely. 0.55

01:32:15.380 They were ready for it.

01:32:16.600 They thought it was a great idea.

01:32:18.620 And I find that, you know, incredibly depressing, I have to say.

01:32:23.360 That webinar that we showed the Robin DiAngelo clip from, there was good news in that thing.

01:32:29.920 We aired it in March of 2023 on the show because she and these other DEI leaders are lamenting their loss of power.

01:32:37.340 They could feel it by March of 23 starting to wane, their influence starting to wane.

01:32:43.220 And so is there any good news in all of this in your travels?

01:32:47.020 Did you see some shoots of grass, shoots of green there on this nonsense, losing power and starting to ebb?

01:32:57.300 I think so.

01:32:58.300 Not so much in making the movie.

01:32:59.960 Most of the places that we went to and the rooms that we were in were all people that were true believers.

01:33:05.240 So not a lot of light peeking through the darkness there.

01:33:10.220 But culturally, yeah, I think that, look, just the fact that everybody has heard of DEI, and I think the vast majority of people have a negative, it has a negative connotation for the vast majority of people.

01:33:23.980 That alone is a pretty good sign that DEI is reaching its peak.

01:33:29.000 You know, I think if you got 100 random people into a room and ask them how many of you have heard of DEI, probably 98 of them will say that they've heard of it.

01:33:36.520 And most of them will sort of say while rolling their eyes because they see it as either a silly thing or something worse.

01:33:46.540 So I think it's reaching its peak.

01:33:48.360 But what you have to look out for is, okay, eventually DEI goes away.

01:33:52.560 Nobody talks about it anymore.

01:33:54.300 All the DEI initiatives go away because it's just, people see it as so ridiculous and toxic and harmful.

01:34:00.840 But what you have to look out for is the people who promote this stuff, they're not going to go away.

01:34:06.600 So they're going to try to repackage it as something else.

01:34:09.540 It's already being rebranded.

01:34:10.900 They're calling it now belonging at the New York City schools.

01:34:15.660 Well, there you go.

01:34:17.060 Belonging. 0.96

01:34:17.600 I mean, to me, that sounds even creepier somehow.

01:34:19.720 So the repackage to me always sounds worse.

01:34:23.180 But yeah, exactly.

01:34:24.280 So they take it.

01:34:25.400 They get rid of DEI.

01:34:26.100 But they don't really get rid of it because the ideas are still there.

01:34:29.440 And the ideas really are so embedded, especially in the academic world, especially in academia and in the school system, that to really root those out is going to take, that's a years-long process, really.

01:34:42.760 And in the Democrat Party, where Matt Walsh infiltrated the DNC when it was held in Chicago as your alter ego, as your man-bun alter ego.

01:34:53.680 And we saw a video of you just wandering around behind, I think it was a CNN live shot, in your character, which was amazing.

01:35:01.200 Here he is behind an interview of Chuck Schumer.

01:35:05.140 So how did that go for you, Matt?

01:35:07.280 And what did you learn?

01:35:08.220 Well, I learned, for one thing, that apparently I'm not well-liked at the DNC.

01:35:14.700 So I was shocked by that.

01:35:16.680 Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

01:35:19.180 So we went to their DNC expo thing, which is in a different building.

01:35:23.460 And I got kicked out in like 20 minutes, escorted out by a whole, just flanked by security guards and cops that walked me out.

01:35:30.900 And they said that I'm not welcome back in the building.

01:35:33.920 But the thing is, that was a different, so they said I can't go to that building, but there's a whole other building where the actual convention is happening.

01:35:39.720 And they didn't say I couldn't go there.

01:35:40.880 So we went there next and just walked around the floor.

01:35:44.920 And as a good, like, I didn't do it.

01:35:46.320 I just walked around.

01:35:47.300 I actually didn't do anything.

01:35:49.200 And that alone was enough to really infuriate a lot of people on the left.

01:35:53.100 Just my mere presence in the room, which I think is interesting.

01:35:58.400 And also, it's like, what, you know, are you hiding something?

01:36:03.100 What's, shouldn't you be happy that I'm there being exposed to your ideas?

01:36:08.100 Shouldn't you embrace that and welcome it?

01:36:09.860 But they didn't, apparently.

01:36:12.000 They don't like having their sacred cows attacked.

01:36:15.800 And now you've attacked two of them.

01:36:18.880 So since you made What is a Woman, which really was, I mean, genuinely an important film and really got a conversation, if not started, rolling in earnest in ways that it hadn't been prior to that film.

01:36:33.180 How do you think we're doing on that front?

01:36:35.360 Because I'll tell you something quickly.

01:36:37.980 We're down at the Jersey Shore for the summer.

01:36:40.220 We went to see a play at this little theater down there.

01:36:45.680 It's a cute theater, usually family-friendly.

01:36:48.620 And it was supposed to be about the Go-Go's, like Head Over Heels, it was called.

01:36:53.660 And they were, but it was like Shakespearean times.

01:36:56.200 So it was like Shakespearean language.

01:36:58.400 But every once in a while, they'd break out and do a song having to do with the Go-Go's.

01:37:01.680 It's kind of fun.

01:37:02.420 Brought the whole family.

01:37:03.360 Next thing I know, some characters declaring herself non-binary, saying she goes by they-them.

01:37:08.900 Then there's another character who dresses as a woman for the whole time in order to, like, see the girl whose father won't let him in to see her.

01:37:16.680 And it turns out at the end, he really liked being both a girl and a boy, and he's going to stay flipping between the two.

01:37:21.780 There's adultery.

01:37:22.860 It just keeps going.

01:37:24.220 And I'm like, there's lesbian kissing repeatedly on the stage. 1.00

01:37:27.500 Now, this is not Broadway.

01:37:28.560 Anyway, this is at the Jersey Shore.

01:37:31.260 And I've got to say, it felt like a real setback to those of us who are on the side of sanity.

01:37:37.640 And I hate to sound like, you know, 200 years old, but just family values.

01:37:42.360 Keep that shit out of the family value theater. 0.99

01:37:45.580 I don't want to see it.

01:37:47.100 My kids, because, you know, I do what I do and you do what you do, were laughing.

01:37:50.280 They were looking at me laughing because they knew I would not like any of this.

01:37:54.040 And indeed, they were correct.

01:37:55.900 So how are we doing on that front?

01:37:58.360 Yeah, I think, well, in spite of that, it sounds like a pretty grotesque experience.

01:38:03.840 I think that, I want to say that generally, things are heading in the right direction.

01:38:08.700 We have a long way to go.

01:38:11.640 But I think you can look at it politically.

01:38:13.940 You can look at it culturally.

01:38:15.260 And politically, you know, there have been laws passed in many states outlawing the, you know,

01:38:21.960 the castration and mutilation of children, which is a big step, not nearly enough, but

01:38:25.880 a big step forward.

01:38:28.500 You know, Republican politicians, for the most part, are much more open about talking

01:38:34.800 about these issues than certainly they were three years ago.

01:38:37.120 So I see that as progress.

01:38:39.400 And then just culturally, I think that it seems like more and more people are fed up with

01:38:44.180 this and willing to call it out.

01:38:45.380 Look, when we made What is a Woman? 0.85

01:38:46.360 We went around and did man on the street interviews.

01:38:48.400 This was like three or four years ago, talking to just normal people on the street about their

01:38:52.140 take on this issue.

01:38:53.420 And we find the majority of people at that time, of course, they knew what a woman was,

01:38:57.400 and they knew that men don't belong in the women's restroom. 1.00

01:39:00.060 But most were not willing to talk about it, or they were giving us answers that we knew

01:39:05.100 they didn't believe.

01:39:05.820 It was clear they didn't believe it, but they thought they weren't allowed to say what they

01:39:09.600 actually think.

01:39:10.580 I think that if we went to those same places and did those same interviews again today,

01:39:14.600 I think we'd find a lot more people who would be willing to say on camera, yeah, you know,

01:39:21.180 a woman's a female. 1.00

01:39:22.580 No, men don't belong in the women's room. 1.00

01:39:25.240 Boys shouldn't be on the girls' sports team. 0.99

01:39:26.720 I think there'd be a lot more people willing to say that, so that's why I think we're-

01:39:30.720 And one of the main reasons, seriously, one of the big reasons is the work that you do.

01:39:34.880 Matt, great to see you.

01:39:36.100 Thank you for everything.

01:39:37.440 Remember, the new film is Am I Racist?

01:39:40.400 And it's out September 13th.

01:39:41.800 Support Matt and go see it.

01:39:43.080 We'll be back tomorrow with Glenn Greenwald.

01:39:47.580 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:39:49.440 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:39:56.720 We'll be back.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 03, 2024

Media Lies About Kamala and Veterans, and Exposing ＂Anti-Racist＂ Grifters, with Ric Grenell and Matt Walsh ｜ Ep. 877

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