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00:00:36.180 hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show big show for you today with lots of

00:00:46.700 interesting guests on all the news happening in just a bit we're going to be joined by kathy lee

00:00:51.140 gifford as well as former fox news anchor my old pal ed hill um looking forward to speaking with

00:00:56.940 both of those strong powerful smart ladies but we begin today with the carnage in waukesha wisconsin

00:01:03.540 where five people are dead another 48 people that's the latest number injured including multiple

00:01:09.440 children as a result of the acts of a 39 year old man happens to be black who mowed them down during

00:01:16.720 a holiday parade apparently without a thought for their humanity now it appears this guy a career

00:01:22.740 criminal was intent on killing as many people as possible and pursuant to your reporter's long-standing

00:01:28.240 policy we will not be showing pictures of him or repeating the name of this suspected mass murderer

00:01:35.140 because in too many of these cases men like this or those copying them are after a kind of infamy

00:01:40.600 and we decline to help this man has a rap sheet that would make any felon blush two years in prison for

00:01:47.720 aggravated battery back in 1999 arrested multiple times for carrying a concealed weapon possession of

00:01:53.500 drugs over and over multiple charges for resisting arrest or obstructing an officer a criminal sentence

00:01:59.000 of strangulation and suffocation of another domestic abuse battery probation violations bail jumping many

00:02:05.420 times failure to appear in court oh having sex with a minor he's a sex offender registered now

00:02:10.800 he did eight months in jail this year alone for shooting at a car on the road after a fight no sooner had

00:02:17.400 gotten out for that then he was arrested again on november 2nd for hunting down the mother of one of

00:02:23.440 his children allegedly punching her with a closed fist and then running her over with his car the very one

00:02:31.580 he allegedly used against children and grandmothers on sunday a maroon ford escape the reason he was out on

00:02:38.980 the street so soon he posted the joke of a bail required by the da there for his alleged crimes

00:02:45.980 one thousand dollars this guy was an obvious danger to the community his risk of jumping bail

00:02:52.940 was clear to any sane observer still they let him out allegedly because they couldn't quite get his trial

00:02:59.760 scheduled fast enough for the bleeding heart da and therefore decided the public should bear the risk

00:03:05.320 of this thug being allowed to roam none of this is by accident you see while the milwaukee county da's office

00:03:12.480 is now admitting quote our bail recommendation was inappropriately low the da himself john tism

00:03:19.260 loves letting accused criminals out of jail with a free pass chisholm prides himself on being a woke

00:03:26.720 prosecutor seeking cred with a social justice crowd you should see his twitter feed he's been working

00:03:32.720 with a far left group to eliminate cash bail they actually praised him for quote redefining the role

00:03:38.780 of prosecutor in this new era saying quote chisholm stuck his neck out there and started saying that

00:03:45.680 prosecutors should also be judged by their success in reducing mass incarceration and achieving racial

00:03:51.640 equality he too prizes equity equity that term that the left loves so much in his role as prosecutor

00:04:00.820 this in a county that has seen its homicide rate soar nearly 100 percent since last year and it's not

00:04:09.460 just milwaukee county wisconsin cash bail reform is happening state to state a woke aoc endorsed method of

00:04:17.680 criminal justice reform that instead of ensuring that defendants show up at trial by requiring them to

00:04:23.000 either stay in jail before the big day or to post cash bail which they would then forfeit if they were to

00:04:28.220 skip town this lets defendants remain free after arrest unless they're deemed a threat to the community

00:04:35.760 or a flight risk this guy in the maroon suv was clearly both and this da failed his community any way

00:04:44.100 you slice it meanwhile we get lectured by the media and woke democrats about how the criminal justice system

00:04:50.340 is based in white supremacy too lenient on whites and too tough on black defendants in the wake of the

00:04:56.500 kyle rittenhouse verdict we have seen calls to quote throw out the entire system by people like colin kaepernick

00:05:03.440 and ibram x kendi how about the system that lets a career criminal out of prison with a joke bail knowing full well

00:05:11.140 he's a danger to society in an effort to score points with who blm far left criminal justice reform groups

00:05:18.660 because i agree that system does need help just not the kind that ibram kendi wants

00:05:23.700 this social justice engineering has no business in our courts if these woke warriors had their way

00:05:30.900 kyle rittenhouse would be spending the rest of his life in prison for acts that were clearly legally

00:05:35.160 justified and the next would-be mass murderer would also be let out on the street to kill despite a long

00:05:41.500 criminal history all so that folks like aoc driving her seventy thousand dollar tesla and surrounded by

00:05:48.900 security or cory bush with her taxpayer-funded guards can say see i care about my community

00:05:57.300 joining me now to talk about it all john cass a former columnist for the chicago tribune now posting

00:06:03.460 at his own website which you should 100 support john cass cass that is news.com welcome back john great to

00:06:12.020 have you the perfect person to discuss this with because this is something you've been sounding the alarm on

00:06:16.900 and which in part led to your departure from the tribune last summer your thoughts on it

00:06:23.060 yeah i um called out george soros and kim fox and all the other prosecutors across the country who are

00:06:31.620 doing who are doing this low bail releasing crim violent criminals and uh i was defamed by my union

00:06:40.660 not mine i wouldn't join it but they defamed me and uh removed me from page two and so i'm happy to have

00:06:50.420 left once i was given a buyout i didn't want to stick around and get knifed in the back uh but another time

00:06:58.100 by my colleagues especially since this thing this phenomenon you're describing uh the low cash bail system

00:07:06.180 has been part of the news for a long time and many of us who brought it up have been

00:07:12.740 vilified and defamed but the fact is it happens and victims as you say are all over the country and

00:07:22.260 they're broken as a result that's the thing this prosecutor can look at us now and say gee i'm gonna

00:07:28.820 we're gonna do a review we don't know how he got like he wasn't supposed to be granted bail your system

00:07:33.940 failed you knew you said on the record there's been good reporting all over the internet today

00:07:40.260 on this you said is somebody likely to get out who's a murderer and is going to commit a murder

00:07:44.900 yes but that still doesn't undermine my overall approach it does indeed sir we have five grandmothers

00:07:51.780 and others dead children holding on to life by a thread right now because this guy who very much

00:07:59.300 hits both of the things that should keep you incarcerated even if you don't allow bail even

00:08:05.700 if you believe in the abolishment of the bail system flight risk he jumped bail so many times i can't even

00:08:11.140 keep counting anymore and danger to the community when he ran over his girlfriend earlier this month

00:08:16.500 there were tire marks on her body what the hell was he doing on the streets in chicago alone there are

00:08:23.220 like some 50 cases of people being shot or uh threatened to be shot by people who are out on

00:08:31.460 bail in chicago we have at least over a hundred people charged with murder walking the streets not

00:08:39.300 to mention sexual abuse um kidnapping and other crimes it happens it's going on all over the country

00:08:47.060 and unfortunately the people of waukesha and those families that aren't going to have

00:08:53.460 a thanksgiving with their loved ones they're paying the price and i i on the other hand megan i believe

00:09:00.660 you're a lawyer right you you did study the law yep yep practice for 10 years i i know you know and you

00:09:07.300 believe that all people have the right to bail we're not trying to say uh people don't don't have the

00:09:14.980 right to bail no it's it depends on the case right and if you're a violent threat to the community

00:09:22.980 why let them out well and even he even the da this far left da is admitting this guy should not

00:09:29.380 have been let out he's he has to he cannot say anything other than this was a mistake but he he

00:09:35.940 knew the mistake would happen he knew that somebody would be set free thanks to his policies and he didn't

00:09:40.820 really give a damn when asked about it um not long ago he was elected in 2007 um and he's been doing

00:09:48.020 this for a long time and working with this far left group to make the system more and more equitable

00:09:53.140 and i have to tell you like these risks were predicted by a lot of people who oppose this reform

00:09:58.980 and even those who are in favor of some reforms in the criminal justice system because what does happen

00:10:04.260 sometimes is you get some young kid who you know commit some offense that would you know whatever

00:10:10.420 it would require ten thousand dollars bail and he doesn't have it now he's sitting at rikers here in

00:10:14.740 new york for a year who's already been in prison for a crime he hasn't been convicted of and a year in

00:10:20.820 a place like rikers can make you a criminal where you weren't otherwise right and it's an unjust punishment

00:10:26.100 for somebody on their first arrest or so on i get that i get that but this kind of violent

00:10:30.900 violent violent offenders repeat with guns repeat shooters uh and people like this no and you know

00:10:40.660 what it this couldn't have happened in a country that had legitimate media the problem is these woke

00:10:49.620 prosecutors supported by george soros and others of the left are protected by woke corporate legacy media

00:10:59.540 the same media that uh defamed and tried to destroy kyle rittenhouse is the same thing exactly exactly

00:11:09.780 now i want to make one more point about walk a shot before rittenhouse and that is places like new jersey

00:11:15.060 have taken on you know this no cash bail thing and tried to do better on this but what they did was

00:11:22.180 they added a bunch more um resources to the criminal justice process so that you could get

00:11:28.900 speedier trials you could get claims processed faster so that you wouldn't have to you know in

00:11:33.540 the name of a speedy trial just let somebody dangerous out on the streets so if you're going

00:11:37.620 to do it if you're going to do it you have to you have to pay the money for it and trust me i personally

00:11:42.820 know a bunch of billionaires who love this this makes them feel like social social justice supporters

00:11:47.540 they throw a bunch of money trying to get da's like this arrested uh in in office they don't

00:11:52.020 have to deal with the consequences of it they're in high rises with security guards and so on but

00:11:56.100 at least if you're going to throw your money at it throw your money at making the system able to

00:11:59.140 process the defendants in a more speedy way so that we don't we don't have to choose between a

00:12:03.220 speedy trial and letting them out put them at martha's vineyard okay right next to barack obama who

00:12:10.900 lives in a seaside mansion i guess the seas aren't rising anymore and let let him deal with it

00:12:18.100 but you know unfortunately all too much all too many times the violent are released back in their

00:12:23.700 communities most of the communities are uh minority and poor and these people are victims and voiceless

00:12:32.020 while the media goes on corporate media goes on talking uh virtue signaling while people get get hurt

00:12:38.740 and maimed and that's i mean i don't know how i missed this but even just um even just today or

00:12:45.300 yesterday when with the bodies still you know just newly deceased and people in the hospital

00:12:53.620 including children what does aoc tweet out her very first public comment on this she tweets out um

00:12:59.860 hold on uh when prosecutors seek excessive cash bail uh it results in increased rates of

00:13:05.860 incarceration particularly for low income defendants more than 75 percent of individuals in custody

00:13:10.900 haven't been convicted of a crime and are confined in unsafe conditions because they cannot afford cash

00:13:15.140 bail condemning thousands of individuals to languish in such environments as they await trial is

00:13:19.300 unacceptable and she sends out um she sends out this letter that she just sent to new

00:13:26.420 york city's five district attorneys requesting information on excessive bail and so on push that

00:13:30.980 that is not the that is so tone deaf uh piers morgan had a great column in the daily mail and

00:13:35.300 this is how tone deaf that is or she's just ignorant

00:13:38.980 she's tone deaf and uh this is why the mootza was created by my ancestors it's like this i'm not

00:13:45.700 giving it to you or the your viewers but it's it's basically to show disgust i'm disgusted personally and i read

00:13:55.940 piers morgan's column and i i before the show i read the one that i had written about this that uh

00:14:04.740 caused me so much pain and caused me to be defamed by my union

00:14:09.300 and uh i'm thinking for the people the poor people who are victims of these people they're

00:14:15.860 victims of an ideology they're being destroyed their bodies are being broken the their families

00:14:22.660 are broken and all we hear is you know the same blah blah blah you wrote the best column i tweeted

00:14:31.220 out yesterday saying yesterday saying if you read nothing in the written house verdict in the wake

00:14:36.100 of it read this john cass column and i recommend it to everybody if you if you want to go to john

00:14:40.820 cass news.com it's it's called if only kyle rittenhouse could ask biden and media have you

00:14:45.940 no sense of decency and that it's it's the same thing as you just pointed out these the woke prosecutors

00:14:53.540 the woke press the woke politicians who use these cases they use the criminal justice system of all

00:15:02.100 places not to have ideology drive results um to do just that to get votes to get clicks and your columns

00:15:10.340 i mean the essence of it is it's dangerous and indecent thank you megan um as a someone just starting

00:15:20.100 out really in the independent journalism world your support there in the tweet where it was just

00:15:26.500 monumental and i'm so glad other people got to read it because uh i believe it a hundred percent that

00:15:34.980 they have no decency and they probably should watch uh ox the oxbow incident to talk about

00:15:43.620 and and learn about lynch mobs because what were they but a lynch mob righteous lynch mob lying

00:15:49.780 about this kid and we saw him on tucker the other night i mean this kid wasn't a white supremacist mr

00:15:56.980 biden this kid wasn't a vigilante miss aoc he was just a kid responding to his community where the

00:16:07.460 government the people that are supposed to protect them had wandered off and withdrawn law enforcement

00:16:15.140 and national guard to let the city of kenosha burn in those mostly peaceful protests

00:16:24.100 how the media characterized them it is just it it tells me that corporate media is dead that legacy

00:16:32.900 media is corrupt and that the people are looking for somebody people to tell them the truth about what's

00:16:41.060 going on and that's what we're trying to do i mean i would say i'd say let them keep embarrassing

00:16:47.140 themselves let them keep destroying their credibility but it's scary because you know in

00:16:52.180 written house's case a man's life was on the line and in this case of this woke prosecutor letting a guy

00:16:58.020 out who clearly shouldn't have been let out you know five people are dead you've got you've got

00:17:03.060 scores of people clinging to life in the hospital like they're we can't make our our criminal justice

00:17:09.540 system about social justice that doesn't work it's not to say we can't have any reforms um but you cannot

00:17:16.260 be driven by woke ideology as a prosecutor as a jury as a judge it's one area that that is held out and it

00:17:26.820 needs to continue holding out from the from the musings of ibram x kendy john i gotta go it's so

00:17:32.580 great talking to you everybody's gotta go johncastnews.com thank you megan thank you so much happy

00:17:38.100 thanksgiving to you and to you as we've covered here there were a lot of insane reactions to the

00:17:44.420 kyle rittenhouse verdict one of them was that if kyle had been black he would have been found guilty he

00:17:50.180 would not have been recognized as having a right of self-defense that a young black man can't

00:17:54.420 claim self-defense in america uh we heard that so many times honestly if i you know my team puts

00:17:59.940 together these long summaries of what the media said uh and i mean i could keep you here for the

00:18:04.500 next 20 minutes giving you the examples well there's a woman named amy swearer and she's a legal fellow

00:18:10.900 at the heritage foundation and she decided to do what what more people should do which is let me

00:18:16.180 actually take a look at that i'm gonna do the research and i will lay out what i find and what

00:18:20.740 she found was just how untrue that claim really is she joins me now thank you so much for being

00:18:26.260 here amy i caught your your thread on twitter and thought it was really impressive and well done and

00:18:31.940 so you take on a couple of claims but the first is that no black man in america would have been acquitted

00:18:37.380 on grounds of self-defense in the way kyle rittenhouse was what'd you find yeah megan i'll be honest i i knew it

00:18:45.380 would be pretty easy i didn't expect it to be quite so easy to just with a simple google search from the

00:18:50.980 last couple of years find i think at the end of the thread we had about 50 cases of of defendants

00:18:56.580 of color who shot uh other people in public or were accused of shooting people and claimed self-defense

00:19:02.580 and were successful in that claim and were acquitted by a jury um sometimes with with facts that were

00:19:08.980 strikingly similar to the rittenhouse case other times uh you know facts where yeah i still look at

00:19:14.340 it and i'm like oh wow i'm actually fairly surprised it was successful given you know what the jury heard

00:19:19.940 um so this this idea that that black people don't have this right to self-defense that it's only because

00:19:25.220 kyle rittenhouse is white uh it's just absurd it doesn't track with the facts um and it was pretty

00:19:30.900 easy to to debunk that just with google itself the one that that's gotten some attention in the wake

00:19:38.020 of the rittenhouse acquittal is um andrew coffee a black man in wisconsin who was acquitted on

00:19:45.620 saying self-defense found not guilty of murder attempted murder um he fired at sheriff's deputies

00:19:51.300 during the early morning uh raid that took place at his house back in 2017 and he said i i shot in

00:19:59.140 self-defense uh at those deputies and a jury agreed with him i mean that was literally on the same day as

00:20:05.860 kyle rittenhouse right within just hours uh hours of of the the verdict that this is the the exact

00:20:11.700 same result that you got um was again just a successful claim of self-defense where a jury

00:20:16.980 looked at the facts and said yeah no this is a defendant of color who successfully raised that

00:20:21.300 claim um you know in the fact that this got overlooked i mean it's sort of picking up a little

00:20:26.020 steam after people sort of bringing it uh to the attention of the media but uh for for a while there

00:20:31.140 it was like you know nothing else existed outside of the rittenhouse case um it just in the eyes of

00:20:36.580 so many uh twitter blue checks it just simply could not be the case that any defendant of color ever has

00:20:41.540 you know ever asserted their right to self-defense successfully and it's just not true well and it's not

00:20:47.300 even just you know a black man on trial claiming self-defense let's say against another black man you're

00:20:53.380 talking about shooting cops right and and so that's like if this is a white supremacist system designed to

00:21:00.100 protect only whites and and cops and so on we wouldn't have results like this there was another

00:21:04.980 case of jaleel stallings um acquitted in uh on september 2nd of this year of murder charges related

00:21:12.260 to him shooting attempted murder i think shooting at several saint paul cops last summer he claimed

00:21:17.460 self-defense that he had no idea that they were cops at all and that was just days after uh that

00:21:23.300 shooting george floyd um that's another example but there you found a lot of them yeah and

00:21:29.700 like you said there are examples of defendants shooting at law enforcement officers there are

00:21:33.780 defendants uh who were accused of shooting people inside of schools defendants who were accused of

00:21:39.620 shooting uh white people in in race related uh incidents um you know just just all across the

00:21:45.700 board domestic violence self-defense um you know attempted robbery self-defense um just so many things

00:21:52.100 you know and again that's that's not to say we can't talk in more nuanced ways about racial disparities

00:21:57.220 within the criminal justice system that wasn't the point of the thread um but the unfortunate

00:22:01.300 reality is there are a lot of twitter blue checks who immediately jump to the most asinine takes on

00:22:07.940 this you know that this blanket assertion um that that this just shows that white people get away with

00:22:12.660 anything and defendants of color never get away with anything in similar circumstances um and really

00:22:17.620 it just takes people away from those more nuanced discussions um so to just easily debunk that and get

00:22:23.140 that out of the way i think was was uh you know just a really good opportunity to do that well i mean

00:22:28.740 i i led the show with this um you know this attack in waukesha wisconsin which was committed the suspect

00:22:34.900 is a black man the reason i mentioned his race is because this prosecutor has been has decided he's all

00:22:39.940 about equity and making it more equitable for um racial justice purposes and so on um but but this is

00:22:46.900 the reason glenn lowry um over on youtube.com you can catch him on tv blogging hence but anyway

00:22:53.860 he's been saying and he's brilliant he's black he's conservative he's um a university professor but

00:22:58.660 he's been saying that it is pointless and actually dangerous to take somebody's race whether it's a

00:23:03.940 kyle rittenhouse or a guy like this in waukesha and try to amplify their race into an indictment

00:23:12.020 against the overall system you know he's been saying you don't want white people pointing to

00:23:17.860 the waukesha defendant and being like see this is what black people do right like you would no more

00:23:21.620 extrapolate that man's behavior to the to black people in america than you would kyle rittenhouse

00:23:27.620 to white people in america if you thought he had done wrong or even if he hadn't done wrong right like

00:23:32.100 that's the danger and you can see it clearly now in the waukesha case but that's what they've done with

00:23:36.180 kyle you know saying that because a white man got off for shooting other white men somehow this is

00:23:41.460 it this is a an affirmation that it's a white supremacist system yeah you know and the thing

00:23:46.180 is too and this has always struck me because it never makes sense this idea of you know even if

00:23:50.500 you look at general racial disparities which i i think it's very clear they do exist even if you

00:23:54.500 look at particular cases and and you you buy into this idea that all the time just wholesale

00:23:59.620 defendants of color are always treated differently uh especially with regard to their their natural right

00:24:04.500 of self-defense and raising that claim shouldn't the argument then be not to be mad that a white

00:24:09.380 defendant successfully raised that claim but to say okay how do we make it so that it is equal

00:24:13.940 across the board so that defendants of color can also successfully uh assert that claim in similar

00:24:19.060 circumstances so it just strikes me as odd that the response is anger that this this defense exists

00:24:26.500 and can be utilized just because the defendant happened to be white well and you know i've got to ask you

00:24:31.940 this because i you know i read on your twitter account you're you're very pro second amendment this that's

00:24:36.420 where they're going next the dis the discussion has shifted to the problem in the rittenhouse case

00:24:41.300 is when self-defense laws meet open carry laws and take you know we we thought we'd give you a gun in

00:24:47.940 your house we never thought we would allow you to have it on the streets of wisconsin where you know

00:24:52.100 multiple multiple multiple people have guns and that's what caused this situation well no what what

00:24:59.380 caused the situation was the fact that that the the city allowed these riots to go on to the point where

00:25:05.780 you know a 17 year old felt the need to go and defend property of you know of a minority-owned

00:25:10.740 business and then is physically attacked in fear for his life and but for that gun you know he's probably

00:25:16.260 still in a hospital bed somewhere if not you know dead himself um so again it just comes back to this

00:25:21.700 idea of you know it doesn't matter who has the gun i i think there's this misnomer out there that a lot of

00:25:27.700 people in the gun community would just be terrified to see you know black people or or other people of color

00:25:32.740 are walking around with ar-15s um or is it you know if you've ever actually interacted with the

00:25:37.860 the gun community this is the greatest thing in the world for most of us is is seeing this and watching

00:25:43.220 you know people who are not necessarily you know considered um as part of that social circle to be

00:25:49.060 exercising their second amendment rights in a public way absolutely you know i i don't care if that

00:25:54.420 defendant uh who's in that same situation as as kyle rittenhouse is white black hispanic asian doesn't

00:26:00.500 matter in that situation if you're in fear for your life yes i hope you have that firearm to

00:26:05.460 successfully defend yourself i hope that a state like new york hasn't said well you haven't proved

00:26:09.300 to us that you are sufficiently afraid for your life to be able to defend yourself in public with

00:26:14.100 a firearm um and so i think it's just it flies in the face of what the second amendment community

00:26:20.180 actually believes and practices we don't need more laws cracking down on guns in other words we need

00:26:25.700 for these politicians who are in power to enforce the laws already on the books even when it comes to

00:26:31.460 something like a blm quote-unquote protest if this governor had done that if this mayor had done that

00:26:37.940 if they had pursued the laws already on the books kyle never would have been there that night and by the

00:26:42.820 way he told tucker he he wishes he never had been of course amy thank you so much i hope you come back

00:26:48.740 thank you so much coming up edie hill uh she's amazing i can't wait to get her take on so much

00:26:55.380 in the news from rittenhouse um wait until you hear the latest on cuomo uh time's up and much much more

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00:27:32.100 if you are a fox news fan there's no doubt you know and love my next guest edie hill she was of

00:27:45.300 course a mainstay in the mornings and she joins me now to talk about some of the big stories of the

00:27:49.380 day edie hill i'm so happy to have you here thank you so much for inviting me you have been the same to

00:27:56.660 me since the beginning of my very when i used to be a very young reporter at fox you were one of those

00:28:00.660 women unlike katie couric who says she's trying to put the boot on the forehead of the young women

00:28:04.340 coming up after her you i'll never forget you pull me aside i don't know if you remember this

00:28:08.260 story but you came into the makeup room and i happened to be there and you you were full of

00:28:11.860 compliments you were so kind and you actually said it wasn't true but you said you're better at this

00:28:17.300 than i am i'm like who says that to another woman in this business it wasn't true but that's the kind

00:28:24.180 of person that you are you're just giving generous lift other people up in many other places that i'd

00:28:30.980 worked in fact in almost all other places i'd worked uh it was every person for themselves and um

00:28:37.620 they didn't compliment each other they didn't support each other and the that that the early

00:28:43.300 days of fox you know the first 10 15 years of it the women were great and they you know they

00:28:50.180 weren't sort of nipping at your heels and you know doing stuff behind your back it was just

00:28:54.500 very supportive and i absolutely loved them and some of the folks you've been talking about you know

00:28:58.820 now janice dean oh my gosh uh as sweet as i guess this can be um there's just you know it was really

00:29:05.220 special very special time there yeah i agree with you i had so many positive experiences in particular

00:29:10.820 with the women of fox news i didn't know other than klg i cannot repeat the same at my next place

00:29:15.940 of employment but those fox years were great and the women in particular you'd think with like that

00:29:20.980 amount of brain power and beauty there'd be more cattiness but i i found the women there to be

00:29:26.180 absolutely lovely um okay so let's talk about it was interesting that that people would you know talk

00:29:31.780 about the you know that fox look and you know sort of you know the blondes and all that and i said

00:29:36.020 those women are so smart you know uh you know if you were to you know throw something out you would

00:29:43.060 hit some brilliant woman within five feet of you and you can't say that in a lot of places so um

00:29:48.660 they were as as intelligent as they were good looking it's true roger he had his flaws but he

00:29:54.020 also had many gifts and spotting you know great television talent was one of them and it's true you

00:29:59.540 wouldn't you can't really last at a place like fox news if you're not smart because it'll be discovered

00:30:04.500 because you do spend all day talking about the most contentious issues and you're under a microscope

00:30:09.220 like no other place so if you're a moron it'll get exposed quickly and then you'll be out okay

00:30:15.540 so let's talk about the news because i've been dying to get your your take on a couple of things

00:30:19.620 rittenhouse comes down the verdict he gives an interview to tucker last night

00:30:23.380 um there's been crazy reaction to this verdict ed i mean just the media and the

00:30:28.100 not the celebrities and so on they've lost their ever loving minds um but let's start with this

00:30:33.300 the effect on kyle rittenhouse's life and the death threats and the security threats that he's

00:30:39.780 still under this soundbite three i'm at a place now to where i can't i have to have

00:30:46.420 people with me because people want to kill me just because i defended myself and they're

00:30:52.340 they're too ignorant to look at the facts of what happened do you feel the threats i do i i see some of

00:30:59.940 the threats some of the things people say it's absolutely sickening has are you confident that

00:31:06.420 the government will protect you from these threats because that's of course the government's job

00:31:10.100 i hope so but we all know how the fbi works would have happened to you if there hadn't been

00:31:15.620 the amount of video that there is i can't even imagine i don't think we'd be sitting here right now

00:31:20.420 having this um talk tucker that's for sure yeah i agree with both of them what do you think

00:31:26.980 i absolutely agree too uh that that video was you know was pretty good at showing what had happened

00:31:34.180 that that evening and kyle rittenhouse he needs protection and i you know i one of the first

00:31:40.500 things i said to my husband when the uh the verdict was read was that that guy's just got a bullseye on

00:31:46.660 him it's unfortunate but i think that that's being very honest about it um people hate and regardless of

00:31:53.860 what facts come out regardless of yeah it's it's a trial by a jury it is it's human and um people

00:32:02.980 sometimes make mistakes judges sometimes make mistakes but this is our system and it's a system

00:32:07.860 we've all agreed to live with and so you know regardless of you know what you think is the correct

00:32:13.700 decision um the the right thing i think to do is to accept what that decision is and if you feel

00:32:20.180 there are injustices then work to change whatever that was in the process that you don't think is

00:32:24.260 correct but um but in this i think they got it right uh and i'm sort of stunned at the um amnesia

00:32:35.140 that much of the media seems to have had uh they they didn't remember and they just found out somehow

00:32:42.740 through the trial uh that he hadn't just been you know wildly racing across state lines or that he

00:32:50.980 you know had illegally been owning this gun um you know that he wasn't necessarily a white supremacist

00:32:56.900 you know they they discovered that i was listening to something on cnn and here's what we've discovered

00:33:02.740 through the trial there was no discovery there no you know the people at my community radio station knew

00:33:08.740 the facts but um you know but these cnn hosts pretend that they had no idea well that's the

00:33:14.820 case they shouldn't have their jobs because they didn't do it very well it's i mean it's really bad

00:33:20.260 when the journalists don't know their facts and misreport over and over and over i think they know

00:33:23.940 it they know they just well you know what you see these days um is that you you see a news outlet

00:33:31.220 come to a conclusion pretty quickly too on what they think uh is right and wrong and from that point

00:33:37.940 on they select the the the facts that support their argument uh it's almost as if they're handling

00:33:45.220 the trial and so that's what i think you saw a lot of during during this trial in particular and you

00:33:53.460 know as you know i'm a mom and i always try to i want my kids to be aware of what's going on around

00:33:59.620 them and i want them to be aware of um of how they need to be interpreting and looking at things so um

00:34:06.420 one of the things i've always said to them is make sure you look at both sides so if you're going to

00:34:10.580 look at a conservative outlet look at a liberal outlet and somewhere in between you're going to

00:34:15.140 find the truth but don't rely on one place to give that to you certainly don't rely on social media to

00:34:22.260 be giving that to you um and unfortunately i think that places well specifically in this case you saw

00:34:29.300 on cnn um they simply lie they they don't tell the truth they then pretend they didn't know the truth

00:34:37.620 when there is no way that they possibly couldn't have yet they propagate that misinformation disinformation

00:34:44.580 and do it simply to drive ratings and to make money and to pull in viewers and to get clicks and that's

00:34:51.060 pretty sickening and it's not of course just the media it's the politicians too one of the other

00:34:55.620 things tucker asked um kyle rittenhouse about was joe biden calling him a white supremacist before

00:35:01.460 any of the facts were in there was absolutely no evidence of it he must have heard it on twitter

00:35:05.940 and thought it was an appropriate thing to repeat as a presidential candidate he's refused to walk it

00:35:11.460 back even now as the sitting president which is just terrible that's abhorrent to me and here was

00:35:17.140 kyle with a message for the president directly uh let's play soundbite too what did you make of the

00:35:22.900 president united states calling you a white supremacist mr president if i could say one thing

00:35:28.500 to you i would urge you to go back and watch the trial and understand the facts before you make a

00:35:34.500 statement that's not a small thing to be called that no it's it's actual malice defaming my character

00:35:43.780 for him to say something like that i think a lot of people watching have reached the same conclusion

00:35:48.580 um and they would like to see you you know help make this better by holding some of these liars

00:35:55.380 to account do you plan to do that i have really good lawyers who are taking care of that right now

00:36:01.220 um so i'm hoping one day there will be some there will be accountability for their actions that they

00:36:07.620 did okay so you're you're intent on not you're not gonna let that go uh like i said really good lawyers

00:36:14.260 are handling that yeah it's hard to win those lawsuits but you want to see him try don't you

00:36:21.940 yes but at the same time you know you know that when you know when you have stories like this

00:36:28.260 it's kind of like what happens next when they you know when they clear the air and when the the facts

00:36:32.660 get sorted out and you know when they're able to clear their name it never really gets clear there's

00:36:37.860 always that asterisk and people remember the the horrible stuff they kind of skip over and the

00:36:44.260 media certainly does skip over the oops we're sorry part of it that's true that's true the

00:36:49.300 president and the press um this don't don't you think that had it been trump saying something like

00:36:54.500 that there would have been an you know outcry especially now in the wake of the trial but yeah

00:37:00.100 there's the crickets chirping right i mean trump defended him i feel like no president no

00:37:05.140 presidential candidate should be weighing in on the specifics of legal cases be quiet let let them

00:37:09.860 play out in which they're supposed to play out right you don't know anything you know nothing

00:37:14.260 another know nothing is reese witherspoon who apparently believes that playing a lawyer in a

00:37:18.580 movie makes her an actual lawyer in real life um so maybe she is just as dumb as the character she

00:37:23.860 played in that film i never thought so but i'm open-minded to the possibility given the tweets

00:37:28.420 she sent out this weekend quote woke up this morning thinking about every mother father

00:37:32.580 sister brother friend who has lost someone to senseless gun violence in america and then there

00:37:37.220 was no justice for their pain this is a disgrace the written house verdict it's a disgrace okay

00:37:42.340 you do you know any she knows nothing about i guarantee you quote no one should be able to

00:37:46.100 purchase a semi-automatic weapon cross state lines and kill two people and go free in what world is

00:37:51.860 this safe for any of us hello reese in the world in which self-defense is a recognized natural right

00:37:56.820 and legal principle that's gotten many people off black and white across the aisle when it's proven

00:38:00.580 uh number three any u.s representatives and judges who support this recklessness you mean self-defense

00:38:06.100 law will not be receiving my vote ever well since you live in california that's really irrelevant

00:38:11.060 no one cares about the loss of one more democratic vote but these morons i love it i love it because i

00:38:17.060 feel like they actually think that they're doing something meanwhile they've paid zero attention to the

00:38:23.220 the trial or the news you know i it's hard for me to to get really upset with her because it's just

00:38:31.460 it's just so obvious that um you know that she really didn't pay a whole lot of attention to what was

00:38:36.980 going on um and doesn't probably fully understand um our constitutional rights um and the way they've been

00:38:45.140 interpreted so um i guess she probably also uh has a fairly secure home uh doesn't live on a large

00:38:52.740 tract of land where owning a guns can frequently uh be the matter of life and death um whether it's

00:38:59.460 people or animals or anything else um but they you know they thank goodness they're all sequestered in

00:39:05.620 one state you know i i'm in texas and i i live i grew up just outside austin in a very small town and i

00:39:13.860 swear it is just we've got this t-shirt now it says don't cali my texas um because they're moving in

00:39:21.460 here like you know there's i don't know there's got to be some kind of a great moving sale going

00:39:26.260 on all the liberals are just fleeing the results of their own policies yeah and that that's the

00:39:31.620 funniest thing is that they want to leave that state because they've got horrendous taxes they've

00:39:37.700 got lousy electricity they've got you know ineffective politicians they've got bad schools

00:39:43.060 they've got you know you go down the entire list of things and they leave that and then what happens

00:39:49.300 they come here and then they start messing up our public schools we have really good public schools

00:39:54.180 in this area but they'll come in and it's like you know how can you possibly uh criticize my son

00:39:59.620 for whatever it was that he was doing that isn't allowed per the school rules uh it's like everybody

00:40:04.980 else not me i'm special and um and i think that's kind of the you know the attitude that a lot of those

00:40:10.660 folks have when they look at the the news also i don't really need to know what's going on because i'm

00:40:16.340 me i'll just say what i think and take it i mean that's the gospel the other thing is reese witherspoon

00:40:22.020 she doesn't have to carry a gun because she has a team of security that will protect her whenever

00:40:26.260 she goes into a potentially dangerous event the woman just got paid nearly a billion dollars for

00:40:32.020 her company happy whatever it is nearly a billion dollars um so who is she to lecture anybody about

00:40:38.900 real life problems like how to protect yourself or what the system needs to be reformed the system just

00:40:44.740 made you a billionaire so just shut up shut up and act really because unless you're going to inform

00:40:50.180 yourself then then go away if you want to become informed i'll listen to you all day long nonsense

00:40:56.340 like this stfu may i share a rosie o'donnell story um from a public school that my daughter was attending

00:41:05.380 um rosie o'donnell at the height of her you know let's get rid of all guns and let's boycott i think

00:41:09.380 it was walmart at the time um and you know guns are horrible um her child started at the public

00:41:15.780 school tiny small small school um you know it's not in a uh particularly crime-ridden neighborhood

00:41:23.380 uh in fact just the opposite and so she had been on this anti-gun rampage and the first day of school

00:41:32.260 well guess what the child shows up at school with an armed bodyguard the school says you can't have

00:41:38.740 weapons on the property even if you're just dropping the child off it's like oh but my child needs to be

00:41:45.300 protected oh it's really okay so you mean the guns that protect you are okay and the people carrying

00:41:53.060 them but the guns that might protect anyone else aren't okay right and that's again this this just

00:41:59.060 skewed way of viewing the world i told you i um i just had a wedding my my eldest child got married

00:42:07.380 and out in our pasture um a pasture in the country uh not again not a county where there's a whole lot

00:42:15.220 of crime um but i had um a guest from new york that was concerned about all the texans uh carrying

00:42:24.100 their rifles to the service in the pasture i said you know i haven't seen anyone carry a gun to a

00:42:33.380 service but um but if you want it will make you feel better i'll post the legal you know 30.06 30.07

00:42:41.460 signs at the entrances that say you can't have concealed carry you can't have open carry on the

00:42:45.380 premises uh during this event oh that's that's that's good because um you know i just i don't

00:42:51.060 feel safe and so i you know i always travel with my bodyguard wait a second you mean your bodyguard

00:42:57.540 won't have a gun either will he oh well yes i said well then that would be an issue don't we think

00:43:05.060 i was just done

00:43:06.660 well truly we kicked off the show talking about aoc and um cory bush trying to get these light

00:43:15.700 on crime prosecutors in trying to get rid of the bail system so that you don't have to be held

00:43:20.580 in jail while you're awaiting your charges on felonies and meanwhile they don't have to worry

00:43:25.860 about any of these issues because they've all got guards with guns protecting them not everyone has

00:43:30.900 that and by the way it was kyle's neighborhood his dad lives in kenosha it's right across the border

00:43:35.780 from where his mom lives that was on fire that the governor refused to protect so he very much

00:43:41.300 felt like he did have skin in the game not not defending the decision but i understand it and the

00:43:46.020 people who don't uh i think are soon going to be voted out of the out of office not aoc because she's

00:43:50.420 in a district that's hard left blue but people who don't listen uh to regular old americans are

00:43:56.420 are going to pay for it we saw that in virginia all right let me shift gears and ask you about this

00:44:00.180 ridiculous organization boy they've proven themselves more political than pro-women

00:44:05.300 time's up i think they got they started for you know a good purpose to try to help women suffering

00:44:10.340 from sexual harassment which of course let's face it is rampant in hollywood the the industry

00:44:14.820 that was a lecture about a lot of places hollywood and racism that we should listen to them because

00:44:19.380 they know all about it they're the hotbed of it hollywood um so time's up gets formed now the latest

00:44:25.140 news this week is that it's going to lay off most of its 25 member staff um that they'll only have

00:44:31.700 three staffers left in a four-member board uh the entire the entire board is basically gone the ceo

00:44:37.300 got booted um the chairman chairwoman roberta kaplan she got booted uh they've all been falling

00:44:44.420 you know one after the other because it was out but it was just the latest example that they

00:44:50.180 they basically advised andrew cuomo on how to attack his lead accuser um in the whole me too scandal that

00:44:57.140 he was on the wrong end of by the way there's yet another accuser who came out today um he's got a

00:45:02.500 12th now who's making accusations against him he's facing criminal charges but uh i wonder what you

00:45:07.220 make of the complete collapse of time's up and what if anything it says about our society first off i

00:45:14.020 don't think that it's uh you know it's just a happenstance that it's the same people out in

00:45:17.540 california that started this too um you know i don't know what they're drinking in the water over

00:45:23.140 there but um there's some pretty crazy stuff that happens you know they their heart i believe was in

00:45:28.980 the right place they had some great ideas but then you raise 24 million dollars and you're not quite

00:45:34.900 sure what to do with that you could use it to help victims but apparently they didn't um instead they

00:45:39.620 used it for pretty good salaries for executives um the the amount that got to the actual victims that

00:45:46.980 they decided to help again the ones that they chose uh really was paltry i mean pitiful so if

00:45:53.140 you look at any kind of 501c3 charity guide you know it tells you what percentage of money raised

00:45:59.700 should be spent on executive salaries and parties that they throw and fundraising events and travel

00:46:05.940 and all that and how much should be spent actually on the charity the do good stuff they purport to be

00:46:11.700 wanting to you know to do with the catch and this was like completely upside down so first you're a

00:46:18.260 sucker if you gave money and you know especially after you saw what was happening with it but then

00:46:24.100 the audacity to claim that they are supporting victims of sexual harassment and go and help someone

00:46:33.220 accused of sexual harassment i mean right uh it's pretty easy to see that that's a conflict there

00:46:39.140 and in both cases that i know of where they didn't help the accuser um this case against

00:46:44.420 cuomo and then tara reed against joe biden the women making the accusations were lifelong democrats

00:46:50.260 they don't give a damn what the woman like you're that won't save you what matters to times up is the

00:46:54.980 political affiliation of the man you're accusing and only if there's an r after that man's name would

00:47:00.660 times up step step in and that's why they've gone down the tubes because voters on the left and the

00:47:06.660 right and donors on the left and the right understand that that's utter nonsense and they've lost the

00:47:12.100 thread they've lost the mission uh by the way the new york post always great for a headline in reporting

00:47:16.660 on the 12th accuser against andrew cuomo um report that their headline for the story was creeper by the

00:47:23.380 dozen they're always good yeah all right he was i i'm i'm still stunned that uh that you have people

00:47:31.940 like that who just don't get it like he really thought he was this great mayor this great governor

00:47:37.780 and that um and that somehow he thought that he would get away with uh trying to cover up numbers

00:47:43.620 of nursing home deaths and by skewing things i mean who who advises them who tells them they can get away

00:47:50.660 with it and and why do people continue to prop them up because it just leads them to these greater and

00:47:57.300 greater you know faults delusions i know it's like when michael bloomberg ran for for uh president uh

00:48:05.220 or de blasio running for governor these are people who frankly i think bloomberg did a very good job in

00:48:10.500 new york city but you're thinking new york city is not in any way shape or form like the rest of the

00:48:15.060 country it's like if you're the you know the the uh you know mayor or governor of california and you

00:48:20.100 think um okay right now and i'm not taking reagan i'm talking right now uh you out there and somehow

00:48:24.900 you understand the middle of the country you understand all the different areas you don't

00:48:29.460 you're used to dealing with one group of people and everyone tells you that everything you do is

00:48:34.340 great because it's such a heavily democratic area and they they go out and then seem genuinely surprised

00:48:41.380 when there isn't this outpouring of love for them but it's it's just kind of odd and uh and

00:48:48.180 cuomo certainly was um you know was the poster boy for that but then for so many politicians that

00:48:55.140 the length of time it took for the democratic representatives and senators from that state

00:49:00.980 to talk to him about maybe you should consider resigning maybe um to actually hold him to the

00:49:08.500 same standards that they use for everybody else that was real slow and real late only when they were

00:49:16.580 forced they were dragged kicking and screaming to that conclusion by letitia james the democratic

00:49:22.340 attorney general who wanted his job and is now running for his job um and there's no question

00:49:28.500 there were politics that motivated her in-depth reports on his nursing home scandal

00:49:32.980 and the women who accused him but the women had independent corroboration all of them have stood

00:49:38.660 by their stories and i've read everything andrew cuomo's put out in his defense none of it undermines

00:49:43.140 what they've said and the numbers only continue to grow he's now been criminally charged in one of

00:49:47.300 those cases in that case will play out i think um as early as january was his next court date i think

00:49:52.660 on the one all right next i want to talk to you about the lovely uplifting patriotic message i heard

00:49:58.180 about thanksgiving on msnbc you're not gonna just as bad as you think it may be it's worse

00:50:04.260 so edie as a woman of texas and a former fox newser let me ask you about the soft on crime

00:50:16.500 prosecutor and others like him more and more this is the big push i see it very rich people who don't

00:50:24.180 know what to do you know they're certainly not going to go out and march with blm but they'll cut a huge

00:50:29.840 check uh to try to get no bail right to try to get criminals who have been accused of serious crimes

00:50:35.340 out back on the streets because it makes them feel better about you know their millionaire lives and

00:50:40.480 their sort of limousine liberal lives and i think it's really showing some consequences i do think

00:50:45.420 there's a way of doing some reforms without going this far like this crazy guy in milwaukee

00:50:50.540 um who who's implemented some very dangerous decisions here um i want to the reason one of the

00:50:57.220 reasons it has come up is because um that i want to ask you about it is because there's this whole

00:51:01.380 crew in congress that's pushing criminal justice reform at the federal level the so-called squad

00:51:06.500 right rashida talib and she wants like all the blm agenda she wants to open up the prisons let

00:51:12.040 everybody out and uh jonathan swan of axios asked her about this uh in an interview and we've got it teed

00:51:18.340 up listen to her try to deny it and he holds her to account love this guy watch us in 2020 you endorsed

00:51:23.900 the breathe act which is a series of proposals to transform america's criminal justice system

00:51:30.460 and create quote a roadmap for prison abolition the breathe act proposes emptying federal detention

00:51:37.960 facilities within 10 years to what extent have you wrestled with any potential downsides of

00:51:45.920 releasing into society every single person who's currently in a federal prison yeah again i think that

00:51:52.120 everyone's like oh my god we're gonna just release everybody that's not what i'm yeah but did you

00:51:56.860 see how many people are mentally ill that are in prison right now no i know but the act that you

00:52:01.280 so we're gonna actually says release everyone but in 10 years but think about it who are releasing

00:52:06.780 there are like human traffickers oh i know child sex so but you're saying do you mean that you don't

00:52:12.000 actually support that because you endorse the no i endorse the breathe act and looking at federal

00:52:16.480 the policies and how we incarcerate absolutely oh my lord it would be funny if she weren't actually in

00:52:23.600 charge sort of it's just you know it's hard to believe that people really think through some of

00:52:31.720 these things that or or they've led such a pristine life that they don't understand how the the system

00:52:39.140 really works and what does and doesn't deter crime um you know i i i think that there are reforms that

00:52:49.160 are necessary but these you know out of hand just abolish this abolish that because in their opinion

00:52:56.300 it is only somehow uh impacting people of color uh just just get rid of it because that's not fair

00:53:03.380 uh it doesn't matter what they've done doesn't matter what they're accused of doing it's just it's not

00:53:07.760 fair because simply their skin color um and that's kind of where they the the impetus comes from from

00:53:13.860 you know what they believe and i look at it from a i think a very pragmatic um perspective um as you

00:53:21.860 know i have a lot of kids eight kids and um and and with kids you get problems too and i recall one of

00:53:31.200 my children making a very stupid decision um one that potentially i mean didn't but potentially

00:53:38.440 could have endangered someone's life a dumb prank a dumb dumb prank decided to move a uh a concrete

00:53:46.420 you know sandbag off of a sign into uh into the road you know just to decide but he thought it was

00:53:51.940 funny and then you know let's let's see everybody slow down he didn't really think it through because

00:53:57.280 teenage brains are pretty stupid um still in development and i recall going to the judge

00:54:03.380 um and saying please give him the maximum amount of punishment you possibly can like as as much

00:54:11.800 community service as much of this you know whatever it is i mean i'm asking you please throw the book at

00:54:17.980 him because he needs to learn this lesson now and he said to me he's a lovely man he said i'm sorry

00:54:24.120 my hands are tied in most of this i don't even have a choice as to what to do it's already

00:54:29.220 predetermined and it was this light slap on the wrist and frankly it would have been so much better

00:54:35.700 and it would have saved him a lot of heartache later on in life learning the lesson um if if they

00:54:41.140 had just you know gotten him back on the straight and narrow right away instead of saying um the message

00:54:47.820 being do something wrong and there's no there's there's no uh you know punishment there there's

00:54:55.060 no other than your parents um but that society doesn't necessarily expect better behavior of you

00:55:01.280 that it doesn't require that you think things through that you don't respect other people uh

00:55:07.020 property you know all those things that's the you get this official statement by inaction or by

00:55:13.600 muted action or by lenient action and that does not help society and that does not help offenders

00:55:20.540 and i don't the only reason i think that people think that it may is because they haven't lived it

00:55:26.300 they haven't gone through those things they're obsessed i mean people like to leave are just

00:55:31.040 obsessed with identity that's the only thing that matters to them her response you know when he's like

00:55:36.620 you're gonna let everybody out there's a lot of dangerous people in the prisons hello there are

00:55:40.040 career serial killers in there now have you seen how many are mentally ill i'm sure a serial killer

00:55:45.600 is by definition somewhat mentally ill if he were legally mentally ill it would have been raised at

00:55:50.380 trial as a defense if they're sitting in prison it obviously failed to convince a jury and i don't

00:55:55.300 really care and we're not going to release a bunch of crazed killers and other people who hurt others

00:56:01.000 and break the law out into society because it's going to make her and the rest of the members of the

00:56:05.820 squad feel fine in their doorman buildings with their security teams no we are not going to do

00:56:10.280 that yeah it's kind of like this i call it the flavor of the month club um and uh it's when people

00:56:16.780 just pick some cause because it it's catchy right then or everybody's talking about it right then

00:56:21.640 and they they jump on it and you know kind of like uh the times up group where whatever it is

00:56:28.620 even valid causes and they say okay let's let's get on this we're going to change everything

00:56:33.700 and then they either lose interest or they haven't thought through how they can make any change

00:56:38.980 whatsoever or they just don't care or in this case i think that a lot of the times they're trying to

00:56:44.660 change things in order to in order to get more votes so you have you know the push to allow felons

00:56:51.940 to vote and you've got you know a lot of other things that they keep on saying you know should be

00:56:56.340 able to like you should have people who enter the country illegally uh be able to vote uh they should be

00:57:02.500 able to get identification cards they should be able to all this stuff it's like wait a second

00:57:06.200 you know if we have laws who is it that has been appointed to pick and choose which laws are

00:57:11.900 enforced and and which aren't and you know perhaps what they need to do is is do a like little test run

00:57:18.660 and in her specific neighborhood release like 50 people from whatever honestly it's like she realizes

00:57:26.480 that not not all the people in the prisons are black right she's going to help some really

00:57:30.580 seriously evil white people as well i'm thinking about now he he's dead but think about jeffrey

00:57:35.120 dahmer if jeffrey dahmer were alive in prison today would would she let jeffrey dahmer out so he could

00:57:39.620 continue eating people with that or perhaps a little therapy could help him maybe a little cognitive

00:57:44.380 behavioral therapy whenever you think about eating somebody jeffrey you just think about this cute

00:57:48.700 little bunny think about her bunny's face oh you want to eat the bunny okay never mind think about an

00:57:52.080 orange think about a lovely orange nice and citrusy i mean she's not a smart person that's really

00:57:57.060 what the bottom line she's not a smart person she's an ideological person um and we really

00:58:00.980 shouldn't be listening to her but sadly she and the squad are a lot of weight because because they

00:58:05.820 are the flavor of the month in the democratic party and they've been given an inordinate amount of

00:58:10.560 of power and airtime frankly it's it's pretty scary i think that the party has got to come to

00:58:17.120 some kind of realization that what they're selling isn't what people are buying and all you have

00:58:22.580 to do is take a look at uh at virginia winsome sears what an amazing woman and yet do you see

00:58:28.680 all these you know women who support other strong women uh rallying behind her no instead they go on

00:58:36.540 you know shows on msnbc and they say you know that she's just a you know black face spouting

00:58:41.740 white supremacism i mean it's like really because she doesn't necessarily agree with what you think

00:58:48.300 then of course she has to be wrong because in that liberal bubble anything that does not jive with

00:58:54.620 what they think is the truth must come from somebody who's just too stupid to have figured out why

00:58:59.940 they're right and they should change their opinion um so i you know winsome sears way to go i'm going

00:59:06.660 to be watching her because i was really excited to see that that election but it also shows you that

00:59:12.020 they're losing it with moderate america and i believe that moderate america still runs this country

00:59:17.740 um but they're trying to change that and i think that that moderate america still loves this country

00:59:25.080 and yeah they don't like these anti-american messages everywhere just today they took down

00:59:30.400 the statue of thomas jefferson in new york city public uh town hall or uh city hall because some

00:59:36.420 people decided he's offensive because he owned slaves you know a couple hundred years ago and they

00:59:39.720 get triggered by seeing a statue of thomas jefferson now okay um they had to at the national archives we had

00:59:44.460 to put trigger warnings on all of our national documents because people got upset that they

00:59:49.160 were written by our founding fathers who weren't exactly evolved on issues of women and race um

00:59:54.080 and now in the wake of people wondering is the left going to get it are they going to stop with the

00:59:59.400 constant focus on race and identity and america hating and so on here was the message on msnbc

01:00:07.680 um i don't know this woman's name but man is she full of hate for our country and pretty much anybody

01:00:13.840 with white skin um and she hosted this guy and his name the guy who she hosted is giossi uh hold on

01:00:22.820 i'll get it ross okay so she had this writer giossi ross on her show and here's what he had to say

01:00:29.380 on this the blessed week of thanksgiving the mythology of thanksgiving closely mirrors the

01:00:35.480 mythology of america that mythology is the image that white americans love to see of themselves

01:00:41.140 white settlers come to a strange land in good faith bringing something of great value that

01:00:47.100 enriches the people who are already here the natives also bring something of immense value

01:00:51.820 equal exchange that closely mimics the mythology of white america it is how america wants to see itself

01:00:59.880 the truth of course of thanksgiving is much different the truth is pilgrims did not bring

01:01:05.700 turkey sweet potato pie or cranberries to thanksgiving they could not they were broke they were broken

01:01:12.960 their hands were out they were begging they brought nothing of value but they got fed they got schooled

01:01:21.400 thanksgiving it makes sense there is much for white americans to be thankful for but i'm still trying

01:01:28.120 to figure out what indigenous people received of value instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits

01:01:33.760 those settlers brought genocide and violence that genocide and violence is still on the menu

01:01:39.440 as state-sponsored violence against native and black americans is commonplace and violent private

01:01:45.440 white supremacy is celebrated and subsidized from stone child chief stick to mike brown to renee davis

01:01:51.720 to brianna taylor to eric gardner indigenous and black people are still being murdered by those paid to

01:01:57.460 protect us from ahmaud arbery to trayvon martin white americans are still killing native and black

01:02:03.220 americans with no fear of reprising they brought chattel slavery to africans and native people that

01:02:09.140 still happens through the prison industrial complex that imprisons the descendants of enslaved africans

01:02:14.700 and natives at far disparate numbers that is the reality of thanksgiving many of us are still waiting for

01:02:21.440 white americans to bring some value still waiting for white america to match the mythology of

01:02:27.080 thanksgiving freedom justice equality reparations for two and a half billion acres of stolen native

01:02:33.620 land reparations for 246 years of stolen labor reparations for stealing native children stop the

01:02:41.300 killing it's still happening stop the theft it's still happening return the land match the mythology

01:02:48.840 then and only then we can all be equally thankful peace happy thanksgiving pass the potatoes man what would

01:03:01.080 it be like to have that much hate bottled up inside of you i mean i you just feel sorry for that for that

01:03:07.940 guy first um if he really is so concerned and he seems to be genuinely very concerned about slavery and

01:03:16.700 lack of freedom and lack of justice well i can tell you that there is an entire continent where there

01:03:22.260 is a lot of that still going on and he doesn't seem to be concerned about that at all at all um if you

01:03:29.380 want to go back and look at history and talk about freedom and justice i live smack dab where there were

01:03:35.500 a number of native american tribes that were constantly battling and killing each other constantly that

01:03:41.460 wasn't freedom and peace and you know tranquility but this is this is a common theme that you see

01:03:48.440 as the as the world was settled and i you know does that excuse uh violence does that excuse the trail of

01:03:56.020 tears does that excuse a lot of the stuff no it doesn't you learn from it that's what history does

01:04:00.420 it teaches you what you did wrong in the past and how to do it better in the future but to just come

01:04:06.940 out like this and first be so ignorant and so full of hate does does nothing it doesn't help you it

01:04:14.740 doesn't help your country it doesn't change anything and instead you just have these you know talk show

01:04:20.120 hosts giving them air time i mean to spew this hatred and i i just pray that no one's listening to

01:04:26.600 them that's what well no one's watching this smile literally nobody's watching this woman's show

01:04:31.300 she only shows up in soundbites to highlight her outrageousness but i mean it's funny like the

01:04:36.840 dishonest so-called facts of the narrative um yes they don't they don't play out mike brown mike

01:04:42.860 brown is an example of how white supremacy is celebrated and subsidized and how black people

01:04:48.060 are still being murdered by those paid to mike brown was found to have been the aggressor

01:04:52.860 against a white officer who eric holder a black man his doj found uh was not murdered that but that

01:05:01.820 mike brown put officer um darren mike i'm forgetting his name right now

01:05:06.840 in a position in which he had no other choice darren wilson another choice but to but to fire

01:05:11.140 so stop mentioning mike brown brianna taylor there you know they investigated again a black attorney

01:05:16.300 general investigated the shooting death of brianna taylor and the reason that she got shot is because

01:05:21.240 the police did a no-knock warrant which was legal in that state went into her house and fired because

01:05:26.880 her boyfriend brianna taylor's boyfriend opened fire on them and shot a cop in the leg in the femoral

01:05:30.920 artery and he opened fire like it's i'm not saying the system's perfect but these are not examples of

01:05:37.320 black people being murdered by those who are paid to protect us and on and on about how white white

01:05:43.000 people are killing people uh africans and native people with no fear of reprisal that's not that's

01:05:50.820 not true at all we could do this with everything right we could do this with the guy who did the

01:05:54.640 the truck in waukesha that's a black man who killed a bunch of white people does that mean black

01:05:58.900 people have no fear of reprisal it's nonsense stop colorizing everything they they absolutely are and

01:06:05.760 you know frankly if you want to know who is killing most of the blacks go take a look at the fbi

01:06:10.420 statistics they're out every single year they don't lie so if you want to really black people kill other

01:06:16.340 black people and white people kill other white people that's generally how crime works exactly how

01:06:20.280 it breaks down so if you want to save white or black lives then you know how to do that and it is it

01:06:25.700 is not worrying about the police should there be reform should are there mistakes that are made

01:06:29.960 absolutely are they sometimes horrendous and take a life absolutely but again if to color it as though

01:06:37.660 that is the reality the overarching reality is just a falsehood and and and it doesn't help change

01:06:44.940 anything so if you care about black lives and you want to save black lives then you are preaching to

01:06:49.500 the wrong choir edie hill i'm gonna end it on a nice note a funny note because we talked earlier

01:06:55.120 about flavors and it reminded me that the fact that you have eight children and look amazing one time i

01:07:01.620 went to edie hill i said edie how do you maintain your beautiful figure i need to know let me in and

01:07:06.340 she said at that time she said well i eat whatever i want but i only take three bites of it so i was like

01:07:12.820 okay i will do what it takes to look like edie hill that's fine i'll do it so you gotta for our

01:07:17.680 listening audience you gotta go to youtube.com slash megan galley later so you can see this is

01:07:21.300 a visual i'm like okay i'm doing it so i get down to like my my plate and and soon into my experiment

01:07:28.440 edie it was like it's like my mouth i open it as wise i shoved as much in at each bite as i put i'm

01:07:36.840 like this is not the spirit of what edie recommended we had a lot of good times

01:07:44.540 anyway it's wonderful to see you and you still look great um and i hope that you'll come back

01:07:51.940 would love to have you again soon wonderful thanks so much and have a wonderful holiday

01:07:55.680 you too happy thanksgiving coming up my good pal kathy lee gifford is here to talk about her new book

01:08:01.780 the jesus i know honest conversations and diverse opinions about who he is she interviewed so many

01:08:08.500 people for this book yours truly included uh chris jenner justin beaver's mom has an amazing story in

01:08:14.460 there um and it's it's pretty uplifting and we could use that today couldn't we

01:08:18.940 joining us now my dear friend kathy lee gifford she has written a beautiful new book called

01:08:29.080 the jesus i know honest conversations and diverse opinions about who he is the book features insightful

01:08:36.200 conversations about faith with people like kristin chenoweth chris jenner yours truly and lots of other

01:08:43.040 folks who i think you'd find fascinating kathy lee great to have you how you doing love hello long

01:08:47.680 lost friend how are you i'm so good so first of all i really could hate you i could if i weren't such a

01:08:56.000 wonderful christian woman i could hate you look who's talking all right so first of all i did not

01:09:01.220 know that you not long ago got your your star on the hollywood walk of fame there haven't actually

01:09:07.580 been that many people to get such a thing how did that feel oh there's thousands and what took them so

01:09:12.320 long i think my numbers are like 2600 and change that's not that many really i don't know i don't know

01:09:21.220 i just uh i think i was honored obviously uh it was during covid so it was a it was not even you

01:09:28.700 know there in person so i think that might have made it a little bit more exciting but you know

01:09:33.420 what i did in a speech that i did not write i just basically said you know thank you to all the people

01:09:38.080 that have just believed in me all these years megan you know you know your your friends reveal who

01:09:43.440 they are you find out who is and who isn't right and um and my fans have become such friends over the

01:09:49.800 years to me they've they've just uh they have not been fair weather friends they have been true

01:09:54.220 friends to me and i just wanted to thank them because i certainly wouldn't have lasted through

01:09:59.080 a lot of the hard hard times without their faith in me you know my credibility is so important to me

01:10:05.160 you practice what you preach i mean i didn't believe the bad stuff you know they just didn't

01:10:10.220 right exactly or or they forgave whatever they they thought was true and moved on you know

01:10:15.060 whichever you'll take it on the grounds that they offer it but that's how you are that's how you are you

01:10:19.560 you wrote in the prep in the preface to sort of our conversation in your book about how you

01:10:24.120 befriended me when i got to nbc we had known each other before and you'd always been super kind

01:10:27.740 through child help or charity we both love um but you could see the vulture circling and you came and

01:10:33.080 as opposed to somebody's like oh she's up a creek you asked me to meet you weekly and i did it near

01:10:37.980 east pub and in new york and we had great times and got to know each other even better but that's

01:10:42.620 because that's who you are you you don't see somebody who's potentially in trouble and say

01:10:46.880 that'll be fun to watch you're like let me go make it better you know i as soon as it was

01:10:51.460 announced i i had two reactions my first right reaction was good for her and because i knew how

01:10:57.820 you know how fond i am of you and then my second one was oh dear god she doesn't know she has no

01:11:03.520 idea how they're gonna the vultures are already you know and i just thought lord what do you want

01:11:07.420 me to do he said call her just just just call her and take her in a nearest pub on east 57th street

01:11:14.000 every tuesday whenever she can make it and just love on her just love on her and let her know that

01:11:19.060 uh you know that no matter how how hard and nasty and cruel and untrue it all gets that that has

01:11:26.520 nothing to do with the definition of who you are who she is and uh and i was surprised uh like i think

01:11:34.320 our um are the readers of my book will be to discover that that this is faith is not a new thing

01:11:40.620 to you and and i love discovering in our conversations that day that faith was something

01:11:45.680 that a component of your life not just something you did uh or or or visit a building you went to

01:11:53.020 once a week i mean i could i knew that so i was i was happy to uh hear that you would be comfortable

01:11:59.600 because not everybody's comfortable sharing their personal spiritual journey you know you talk to a lot

01:12:05.140 of people who like you aren't necessarily up to speed on organized religion whatever their you

01:12:11.080 know chosen religion is but it's about your relationship with jesus with god with a higher

01:12:15.780 power and that's kind of what you explore in the book yes yes and people are asking me well um

01:12:22.240 you know why did you write it what a what a cool idea for for i wish i could take the credit for it

01:12:26.800 uh but i have a fantastic literary agent in new york and on the surface he looks like somebody i would

01:12:32.680 have very little in common with we don't we don't share much that it's similar he is a man he's gay

01:12:39.160 he's asian he's um raised a buddhist you know but i love him to pieces i think he's fantastic and i and um

01:12:48.760 i just respect him a lot and and i i value him and so he said you know kathy i loved your last book

01:12:55.600 but the parts of it that were that i love the most were when you talk to people like craig ferguson

01:13:00.680 or al pacino or kevin costner about faith when you were on a movie set or you know whatever

01:13:06.600 and he said would you ever consider doing a whole book about both maybe 25 people that will be willing

01:13:13.200 to share it and i said do you think anybody would be interested in that he goes i would be and so i

01:13:18.660 just thought you know what with what we're going through megan in this world today you know people

01:13:23.140 you say something somebody doesn't like they cancel you you you you know you don't vote you got a d

01:13:29.240 or an r behind your name and they just cancel you they uh you uh you worship in a different way or

01:13:35.600 you think a different way or you vote a different way and you're just gone and that is the antithesis

01:13:40.700 of christianity that's the antithesis of jesus he never canceled anybody he went out of his way on a

01:13:49.320 daily basis to love people to find them right where they were and to love them just the way they were

01:13:56.200 and that's that's the kind of life i want to live i want to i want to be a blessing to people it's a

01:14:03.000 much better way to live than to be a burden people have too many burdens today the only people jesus ever

01:14:10.520 got angry with righteously angered were um were the pharisees and the sadducees the most religious

01:14:17.360 people of their day because they weren't feeding their sheep they weren't feeding the people they

01:14:23.040 weren't being kind they were putting more religious burdens on them and it infuriated jesus because they

01:14:30.100 had been entrusted with the love and care of god's people that's a message right out of the headlines

01:14:35.660 today i'm gonna raise that with my priest this sunday when he gills me for not always meeting my

01:14:39.160 sunday obligation yeah there you go there you go we don't need this father but wait i wanted to tell

01:14:45.820 you a story because i thought the book is perfectly timed kathy lee's already had five bestsellers she

01:14:50.940 doesn't need the money she's just doing this because she puts goodness out into the world

01:14:53.560 but the book is perfectly timed given as you say what we're going through as a nation every morning

01:14:59.120 i i read the journal and and the new york times i like getting my news from both sides i go to real

01:15:03.720 clearpolitics.com i read op-eds from both sides and i listen to i love morning wire the daily wire's new

01:15:09.940 daily podcast it's awesome ben shapiro's group but i also listen to npr and often to the daily of the

01:15:15.380 new york times and npr um this morning had a great story i have to give them credit they were talking

01:15:21.020 about what happened in waukesha wisconsin and with this guy who mowed down all these people

01:15:25.440 and they were saying that there was a guy who showed up at the the service like the at the

01:15:30.580 impromptu or i don't know memorial service last night who yeah the vigils thank you who was a white

01:15:36.320 guy a trump supporter he came with a truck decked out american flags maga you know trump 2024

01:15:42.380 covered and there was a a black woman who went over to the guy and took a picture of his truck

01:15:50.040 and the reporter was saying she she witnessed it and that the the black woman said to the white

01:15:56.440 male trump supporter i like your truck and i like your the message on your truck and the guy said

01:16:02.080 which one what do you mean she said the one that reads one nation under god

01:16:07.780 and that's what brought the two of them together just like a moment where they connected on their

01:16:13.560 faith on their love of country and it i don't know whether that woman was a trump supporter or not

01:16:19.500 but the point doesn't matter does it right when we look for a way back to one another that's the way

01:16:25.260 our common ground is our sacred ground we can always find something in someone that we have in common

01:16:33.440 and when that's the starting place for a conversation you know not hey do you believe in jesus because

01:16:39.640 if you don't you're going to go to hell that wouldn't have that wouldn't have gotten me into the kingdom

01:16:44.600 you know the message that god loved me and had a plan for my life was all it took

01:16:51.000 and and i think that i have discovered in my life whether i was at a set with regis or on set

01:16:57.180 at the today show with hoda or whether i was on the movie set with with craig when i love people

01:17:03.260 something happens chemically i'll never forget and this this broke my heart i was on the set of um

01:17:09.960 then came you the movie i wrote for craig and for me to do in the in scotland he said kathy why do you

01:17:16.140 love me and bricky meaning gervais so much why do you love us we're not good guys we don't share any of

01:17:23.200 anything and i said why wouldn't i love you you're fun you're hysterical you're kind you're a good

01:17:29.700 person god loves you and i love everybody god loves and he said something to me megan that literally

01:17:35.540 broke my heart and it should break every every person of faith's heart he said no person of faith

01:17:42.260 have ever told us that they love us and i went what i said then you i just then you you haven't met a

01:17:51.220 person of true faith yet because because no follower of jesus would would would ever give any

01:17:59.280 message other than god's love to a person and anybody who does and says that they're a follower

01:18:03.700 of jesus they aren't you just have to understand that they've got to know a little bit about the

01:18:08.580 method whether you believe in jesus or not there's ways to find out how he lived his life and ultimately

01:18:13.920 sacrificed it out of a place of love and forgiveness and loving kindness and um at the end

01:18:20.820 at the end of the shoot he said you know i still don't believe in your guide to which i said you

01:18:27.040 mean our guy he goes okay our guy and he said but i said i know that i said but you know what craig i

01:18:34.680 really do believe with all my heart that if that you would say that the way jesus lived his life and the

01:18:41.500 way he exemplified love and forgiveness and kindness is the is is the pattern of of perfection

01:18:48.880 perfection that we should all seek uh in in a human life and he goes 100 i said welcome to the

01:18:57.460 kingdom of heaven oh can i tell you it's so you know i it's not surprising to me i pray for him

01:19:03.900 every day pardon i it's not surprising to me to hear to hear you say that to hear you talk like that

01:19:08.340 and actually i'm just thinking now um we talked last time about my departure from nbc but can i tell

01:19:15.360 the first three people i think to send me flowers one of them was actually at my house in tears but

01:19:21.920 the other two sent me flowers with beautiful messages were three women of faith janice dean

01:19:27.040 who's another person profiled in your book um who talks about her catholicism and the role that faith

01:19:32.560 has had in her life especially this past couple of years with the death of her in-laws to covid and

01:19:36.760 the new york nursing homes you yes we all know and um ainsley erhart who is very very much observant

01:19:45.100 very much a woman of faith who sent me a beautiful bouquet of orchids and said hand it over to jesus

01:19:51.060 you know and it's good when you're down and out especially or you're struggling with something

01:19:54.640 to realize you do have a lifeline you you aren't alone smart as you think you may be there's someone

01:20:01.500 smarter who loves you who can who can help you even if it's not with a message of you must now do

01:20:07.080 the following thing right it's just an embrace that's not what people need to hear they just need

01:20:12.800 to be held and and and whispered to not yelled at stop the yelling whisper people to people i care

01:20:20.540 about you god sees you he loves you you're going to get through this and i'm going to help you because

01:20:25.960 he loves me too and we're we're supposed to take care of one another you know we we understand that

01:20:32.200 as mothers the joy we get out of all the hard work of caring for our children but there's nothing more

01:20:37.360 nothing more fulfilling and and we have friends like that that we'd walk on hot coals for you know

01:20:43.660 well jesus says everyone is our neighbor everyone and i can't love people like that without his help

01:20:50.620 megan i can't love the unlovely i can't serve um the unkind and the cruel and unless god empowers me

01:20:59.380 too yeah and the only way i can be empowered is by staying in his word every day and clinging to him

01:21:06.020 with all my might you can't make it through a day without him i want people to go back listen to our

01:21:12.760 last our first interview on on the podcast and listen to kathy lee's story about forgiving my new

01:21:18.880 colleague here at sirius xm howard stern after coming after her for years and years and so many

01:21:24.460 others like the people who smeared her on the whole whatever we don't have to get back into it but like

01:21:28.800 the tabloid reports about her um she practices what she preaches and we could all learn a lot from it

01:21:34.460 and she's actually reached out to a lot of well-known names for their stories about how faith made a

01:21:39.460 difference in their life what i want to do after this break is talk about christian chenoweth

01:21:43.000 and also justin bieber's mom patty i loved her story which i did not know kathy lee gifford on the

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01:22:16.980 kathy lee gifford is my guest now she's the author of the new book the jesus i know honest conversations

01:22:28.500 and diverse opinions about who he is so it's fun reading this to see all the many people who you

01:22:35.300 know and are friends with i knew about chris jenner and i loved actually what she said to you

01:22:39.340 she was of course she's the matriarch of the kardashian family and her first husband was robert

01:22:45.040 kardashian um who was very christian and she talked about how at pat boone's house she got her first

01:22:52.680 bible the first one she said she could actually understand called the way and that her faith would

01:22:57.780 become very important to her later in her in her marriage to robert kardashian and actually

01:23:03.760 thereafter as well could you expand on it yeah i mean everybody knows that bigger than life you know

01:23:10.620 panoramic uh chris jenner and and and and that's there's a there's a lot of that's very real about

01:23:18.540 that she's she's very very smart she's a very generous person i've been friends with her for

01:23:24.900 over 40 years we used to go to bat that to bat pat boone's bible study together oh wow she was a

01:23:30.180 young mother and i was newly uh just beginning my career out in los angeles and so we'd been through

01:23:36.860 hell and high water together and and uh and you know i don't call somebody my friend unless they're

01:23:44.780 really my friend and i don't i'm trying to think of if somebody's stopped being my friend just because

01:23:50.240 they they do things i disagree with or don't wouldn't do myself or whatever but but chris and

01:23:56.900 i've always had a very honest relationship and we talk about that in in the book about how you know

01:24:01.700 she knew that uh you know there are things in the television series that that would be troubling to me

01:24:07.780 because i love these people i love them all and i'm concerned i know we're going down different

01:24:13.220 roads what can happen at the end of them and um i just i i fear for i pray for them still every day

01:24:19.600 uh we've stayed friends all these years because i knew she she had my back and and and uh i and i

01:24:26.340 had hers you know if i called her this minute she would do whatever she could do for me and and vice

01:24:31.800 versa so the people i loved surprising people i think china phillips story uh she's rock and roll royalty

01:24:38.700 the daughter of two of the mamas and the papas and and her story was deeply moving to me but then

01:24:44.600 there's my friend that i've written more songs with than anybody hundreds of them and he's a

01:24:49.580 jewish scientologist who married a catholic scientologist who had who had adopted a child

01:24:55.040 and raised him up in scientology and once i took them on a rabbinical trip to the holy land

01:25:00.320 it transformed their lives i learned a lot about scientology uh from them and i'm not going to

01:25:07.040 become a scientologist but i don't stop loving my friends because they believe some things that i don't

01:25:13.480 believe yeah god knows the heart whether whether it's religious or political let me ask you about

01:25:19.080 patty mallette that's justin bieber's mom i did not know this story about her that she was

01:25:24.660 18 when she got pregnant with him she said this from the book i had just given my life to god six

01:25:30.840 months earlier i was in the hospital for trying to commit suicide and i encountered god there she wrote

01:25:38.140 before that time i'd been groomed well you wrote before that time i'd been groomed for abortion

01:25:43.160 and i fought on pro-choice debates but after i met jesus i started really trying to get to know god

01:25:48.880 and thank god she did not abort little justin bieber right yes and you know what i didn't write that

01:25:56.980 that every conversation is verbatim what people said unless when i sent everybody like you a copy of

01:26:04.300 what we were going to go with if somebody wanted something changed because they thought it didn't

01:26:08.520 read the way they wanted it to sound yeah um then we did it you know uh or we took mostly we just took

01:26:15.340 something out that they didn't they thought on now that i've thought about it can we not say that

01:26:19.620 and i didn't want to i didn't want to have a gotcha moment with anybody on this this was not about that

01:26:25.200 but yeah patty i met um when i forget was it was it the today show interview i guess so

01:26:31.200 when she has a book that came out and i hadn't met her before and uh i really loved her she's very

01:26:37.200 still vulnerable and and there's a childlike wonder about her still although she's certainly

01:26:42.180 not a child but she was a child when she had her child you know yes and she's very honest about it

01:26:48.220 and uh still struggling with certain things and that's what i also wanted to show megan that listen

01:26:53.280 nobody's life is completely tied up with a nice blue bow at the end every everybody's still

01:26:59.620 struggling with stuff everybody's still got issues but we have a god who doesn't just

01:27:04.620 knows that number one and doesn't judge us for it number two number three doesn't dump us because of

01:27:12.220 it he doesn't cancel us god never cancels us and and jesus certainly didn't he was the antithesis of

01:27:20.160 cancel culture of twitter of twitter i'm the most radical the most radical lover of humankind that

01:27:28.680 our world has ever experienced and and we have the church has gotten it all wrong that we tell people

01:27:35.320 you're going to go to hell if you don't that's not loving people that's not loving people that's

01:27:41.440 condemning them and we don't have any right to judging them we have no right to jesus said love one

01:27:47.440 another as i have loved you and that's what changes the world one person at a time that's right and

01:27:53.740 that's what's inspirational as are you you guys are gonna have to buy the book to hear christian

01:27:57.960 chennerworth's story which is great too about how god and inspiration spoke to her at a time when she

01:28:03.840 thought she was at the top of her career then got hurt and realized something else klg what a pleasure

01:28:09.380 good luck with it so much love to you love you sweet thing love you what you know come come visit

01:28:13.940 nashville y'all i'd love to trust me any day now listen you guys thank you so much for joining us

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01:28:24.260 be spending with my family very much looking forward to it and then we'll resume together live on monday

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 23, 2021

Media Malpractice and Criminal Consequences, with Kathie Lee Gifford, E.D. Hill, John Kass and Amy Swearer ｜ Ep. 209

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