The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Malpractice Covering Biden and Trump, and Embarrassing Immigration Spin, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 620

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00:00:31.800 We've leaned into our Devil May Care Media Red.

00:00:35.480 I like it because you know what? Nobody else is really using red as their background.

00:00:39.540 And I'm just kind of sick of the damn cityscape. 0.97

00:00:42.660 The blue cityscape is everywhere. Have you seen that? 0.99

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00:00:55.780 But anyway, super excited. Love it. And hope you either love it or get used to it soon.

00:01:01.740 Okay. In the meantime, let's get to the news.

00:01:04.000 President Biden saying that he's vacationing so much because he just he's homeless.

00:01:07.580 He can't go home is really what he said.

00:01:09.620 As more and more Americans, including a majority of Democrats, say this guy's too old to run for office again.

00:01:16.060 He's too old.

00:01:17.140 Here for the full show, the EJs are back.

00:01:20.140 Emily Jashinsky is culture editor at The Federalist and host of Federalist Radio Hour.

00:01:25.860 And Eliana Johnson is editor in chief at The Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.

00:01:34.480 Ladies, welcome back to the show. 1.00

00:01:36.660 Thanks, Megan. I'm so glad that I didn't have a cityscape behind me.

00:01:39.900 I'm sick of it. Sick of it.

00:01:42.860 It's like it was the background for every Fox News show I ever hosted.

00:01:45.660 It's a background for every Fox News show still on.

00:01:48.100 And I just we kind of phoned it in when we launched the podcast.

00:01:51.700 It was like, all right, let's get something decent.

00:01:53.060 And we're not a cable show.

00:01:55.820 We're not trying to be.

00:01:56.680 We're happy about the fact that we're not.

00:01:59.560 You know, I was just talking with a friend of mine last night about how frustrating it is watching cable news, which I don't really do a lot of these days.

00:02:08.060 But like the conversations are so surface level.

00:02:11.380 They're so meaningless.

00:02:12.600 You can't get to anything like in this format.

00:02:16.600 You and I can sit here.

00:02:17.840 I can watch you formulate the thought.

00:02:19.460 I can see you wrestle with your own, you know, the counter arguments and come to a conclusion.

00:02:24.000 We can if there's time for everything to evolve.

00:02:26.500 And it's one of the beauties of the medium.

00:02:28.680 Anyway, I know you know this because you're in it as well on your own and with me.

00:02:32.720 OK, let's talk about Joe Biden, because, my God, the latest numbers.

00:02:38.000 There's a Washington Wall Street Journal poll out today.

00:02:42.740 Actually, let's do the GOP side first and then we'll get to Biden and how old he is and how two thirds of Democrats don't want him.

00:02:48.380 Two thirds of Democrats saying he's too old to run.

00:02:51.100 We'll get to that one second.

00:02:52.140 But I want to start with what appears to be a five alarm fire for Governor Ron DeSantis, not to mention the rest of the GOP field.

00:02:59.940 Anyone not named Trump.

00:03:01.520 Wall Street Journal poll coming out, released over the weekend, shows that Trump is the top choice for nearly 60 percent of Republican voters.

00:03:09.800 He's got 59 percent of their support.

00:03:13.440 Fifty nine percent of them support Trump.

00:03:15.620 Thirteen percent supporting DeSantis.

00:03:18.380 Thirteen.

00:03:19.780 Trump is up 11 points since April.

00:03:22.880 DeSantis went from 24 percent to 13 percent in that same time frame.

00:03:28.940 He's hemorrhaging the numbers and Trump is dominating in the numbers.

00:03:33.720 And I ask you whether this is is this surmountable because DeSantis, his own super PAC was in the news.

00:03:40.100 The guy who runs it, Jeff Rowe, the strategist, speaking to rich donors a few days ago, a week ago, even saying it's time.

00:03:50.160 It's go time.

00:03:50.840 We need 50 million dollars and we need it right now or he's going to lose.

00:03:54.960 And that the Republican Party is going to lose the general election if Trump's the nominee.

00:03:59.900 Again, this is DeSantis's guy.

00:04:01.440 But he went through the states saying it's Biden's going to beat Donald Trump in these critical swing states.

00:04:07.560 And DeSantis needs this money immediately.

00:04:10.660 Five million dollars a month just to sustain Iowa.

00:04:14.500 And we need it within the next 60 days because he needs to beat Donald Trump in that time frame in two months.

00:04:21.080 And he needs to separate from his other rivals right now.

00:04:24.580 So let's start with that, Emily, on the state of the race for DeSantis and Trump on the GOP side.

00:04:32.180 Yeah, it's really interesting because in campaign world, the number one thing you want to avoid is the stench of backsliding.

00:04:40.880 You absolutely if your numbers start going down after being on an upward trajectory, which DeSantis's were before he started running, basically.

00:04:48.620 The stench of losing is or the stench of failure is the one thing that turns off donors and it turns off voters.

00:04:55.760 If we think back to 2012, when we had that sort of carousel of candidates popping in and out in the Republican primary, what was helpful to a lot of them is getting these like sugar highs.

00:05:05.280 And the sugar highs were helped along by the fact that they had, you know, not big baselines so they could jump up really quickly, really easily.

00:05:12.700 And that's what made it, you know, pretty simple for them to get their names out there, sort of maybe in a Vivek type way.

00:05:20.380 But with DeSantis, it's sort of the opposite problem here.

00:05:23.680 And so that's going to make fundraising a really uphill battle.

00:05:26.300 It's going to make convincing donors a really uphill battle.

00:05:29.640 And it just honestly, the fact of the matter is it looks like Republican voters are consolidating around Trump because he's been hit with all of these indictments.

00:05:36.460 They might he might not be their favorite guy in the world, but they're consolidating around him now.

00:05:40.400 And the DeSantis strategy to put all of the eggs in the Iowa basket is making a potential comeback even more difficult because he's still down like 25 points in Iowa.

00:05:51.100 And even if you won Iowa, if you're down that big nationally, you're going to make it that much harder in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

00:05:57.100 I mean, Eliana, these are terrible numbers, not just for DeSantis.

00:06:01.620 I don't mean to pick on him, but for the rest of the GOP field, anyone not named Trump who's running for president.

00:06:07.320 These are terrible numbers.

00:06:08.880 DeSantis has not been able to get anything going, notwithstanding several relaunches, the skinnying of his campaign staff trying to save money, the super rich super PAC that's backing him, trying to generate interest with the bus campaign in Iowa and the nonstop door knocking.

00:06:28.000 They can't that the numbers persistently going in the wrong direction for him.

00:06:33.440 The Wall Street Journal poll contained a lot of really interesting information.

00:06:37.040 The first piece of interesting information is that it was conducted in part by Trump's pollster, which I think we should keep in mind because that factors into the way questions are formulated.

00:06:47.560 And it may be a little bit more favorable to Donald Trump than it otherwise would have been.

00:06:52.160 But nonetheless, Trump, of course, it's obvious, remains in the commanding position to win this nomination right now.

00:06:59.020 DeSantis, his position has collapsed.

00:07:01.940 And Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy are right on his heels, which is not where he wanted to be.

00:07:07.700 And the DeSantis campaign has been plagued by the series of leaks from his super PAC.

00:07:12.600 You mentioned Jeff Rowe, the DeSantis consultant running the super PAC by name.

00:07:17.440 You know, consultants are supposed to exist in the background.

00:07:20.220 Do you know any of the other consultants running the super PACs or the campaigns?

00:07:24.560 Are they names in the news in the way that Jeff Rowe is?

00:07:28.200 I think that's a bad sign for the DeSantis campaign.

00:07:31.100 And then there's the content of what he said.

00:07:33.260 He, on the eve of the first debate, told donors that super PAC has already spent over one hundred and thirty million dollars.

00:07:41.120 He told those donors, I need fifty million dollars from you guys now.

00:07:45.360 The good news is that we have the money.

00:07:47.480 The bad news is that it's all in your pockets.

00:07:49.940 So for one hundred and thirty million dollars, plus the fifty he's asking for, that's one hundred and eighty million dollars.

00:07:57.460 And they don't have a whole lot to show for it.

00:08:00.640 Granted, DeSantis has been hit by an enormous amount of attack ads from Trump that the likes of Nikki Haley and particularly Vivek Ramaswamy have not been the subject of.

00:08:11.300 But the second thing I would say was Jeff Rowe also said all of the stories you've seen from Vivek Ramaswamy, they came from us.

00:08:22.180 And it's just sort of a gross thing to say.

00:08:25.400 And if I were DeSantis, it's not the type of thing that you want your guy out there making headlines for.

00:08:31.940 You want to be the headline.

00:08:33.460 You want to be making news.

00:08:34.700 You want to be reaching voters.

00:08:36.040 You don't want your consultant out there making headlines that way.

00:08:39.300 And I think it's just a symptom of a camp of it's a symptom of the issues the campaign is having more broadly.

00:08:45.880 Right. Definitely reveals that DeSantis, that his team sees Ramaswamy as a serious threat.

00:08:52.880 And they should because Ramaswamy's numbers are going up and DeSantis aren't the just a little more color on the DeSantis problems in New Hampshire.

00:09:03.280 Now, the latest poll, this is via the messenger.

00:09:07.620 Trump currently holds 47 percent support.

00:09:11.520 Haley and Ron DeSantis are behind at 10 percent each.

00:09:15.340 So they're tied for second place at 10 percent.

00:09:17.580 As recently as June in New Hampshire, DeSantis had 37 percent.

00:09:24.660 My God, what?

00:09:26.560 I mean, I haven't been following the cases or the states, you know, that closely to realize he had that big an implosion in the past.

00:09:33.460 What? I mean, it's three months now.

00:09:34.880 Now, he's gone from nearly 40 percent to 10 percent tied for second.

00:09:39.080 And Trump is now at 47.

00:09:41.580 This already today has got people saying it's over, Emily.

00:09:45.680 I mean, there are a lot of people in Republican politics who believe it's over.

00:09:49.740 And everything from this point to the actual voting that begins with Iowa in January is window dressing.

00:09:55.560 Yeah, that's also really interesting because my boss, Molly Hemingway, made that point on special report last night.

00:10:01.960 And Mark Thiessen responded by saying, well, listen, the Trump consolidation is different in the earlier states.

00:10:07.760 And it's true. 0.56

00:10:08.760 You know, his numbers are lower in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina than they are nationally.

00:10:13.180 But that trend is going completely in Trump's direction.

00:10:17.060 And, you know, Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, you know, to to in fairness to them, they have not been slapped with foreign indictments.

00:10:24.020 But because that's obviously a huge advantage for Donald Trump.

00:10:27.600 But the direction that the number amazing, I mean, just an amazing sentence that you just uttered.

00:10:31.160 It's just like, right.

00:10:32.120 Every once in a while, you've got to stop and remind yourself that that's incredible.

00:10:34.940 But keep going.

00:10:36.160 And in some ways, enviable.

00:10:38.040 Like the other candidates are like, hey, hit me with an indictment.

00:10:40.620 Like we can have some fun.

00:10:41.540 I did bad stuff.

00:10:43.780 Why are you paying attention to my my bad stuff?

00:10:47.060 Alleged bad stuff, we should say.

00:10:48.640 But, yes, it's it's almost enviable from the other candidates because the trend has been the opposite of what a lot of people wanted to see.

00:10:56.900 And my understanding is that there's the frustration in DeSantis world is that there's maybe an insulation that the candidate is sort of insulated from maybe fair criticisms and is listening to all of the wrong people.

00:11:10.060 Because, you know, about a month ago, we were talking about how his the head of his campaign had been replaced.

00:11:15.600 She was moved into another position.

00:11:16.780 So not fired altogether.

00:11:17.940 But he had been in the race for about two months, had burned through a ton of cash and was replacing the person at the top of his campaign a month later.

00:11:26.200 And the cash problem is arguably worse.

00:11:28.980 And the leadership problem is clearly, clearly still just as bad.

00:11:33.100 So it's going in the wrong direction, not just numbers wise, but it's going in the wrong direction in terms of what the campaign looks like, too.

00:11:40.080 So it's not as though there are signs of hope on the horizon.

00:11:43.640 If anything, it looks like things just can't be turned around right now.

00:11:47.420 Well, think about that.

00:11:48.860 If what if what the super PAC guy Jeff Rose says is true, Eliana, and they have 60 days in their estimation and they're the ones who have the deep pockets.

00:11:58.780 It's not the DeSantis campaign that has them.

00:12:00.680 It's the super PAC and he's not supposed to be coordinating with super PAC, but they are funding these buses that Ron DeSantis is riding around Iowa and going door to door and so on.

00:12:09.540 So there's it's not that there's coordination.

00:12:11.120 It's just that there's definitely support that he needs.

00:12:13.360 So if they're saying they've got 60 days or effectively he's done, if 60 days for him to surpass Donald Trump.

00:12:19.820 I mean, are you kidding? Right.

00:12:21.200 Like that's he said that right before the first presidential debate, which was in late August.

00:12:24.560 I think it was on the 23rd.

00:12:25.960 So that would bring us to October 23rd.

00:12:27.540 The second the third debate should be happening by then.

00:12:30.620 What's going to change it?

00:12:32.200 What's what could pop?

00:12:34.360 Like I could see an argument that over the next 18 months, DeSantis could edge up.

00:12:40.460 I mean, we don't have that long, but let's say a year as the Trump trials potentially get under.

00:12:45.360 Nothing's going to happen in this.

00:12:46.460 What's what's even scheduled for the next 60 days that could completely change the game here?

00:12:52.080 There are two more presidential debates that you have to think they're looking at, one at the end of September and one at the end of October that they have to be eyeing.

00:12:59.600 But those are those are just two more inflection points.

00:13:02.680 And we didn't see the numbers move enough in DeSantis's direction after the first presidential debate, I think, to make their case.

00:13:12.000 What's not clear to me is how they're laying out.

00:13:15.200 What exactly are they going to do with the money that's going to move the numbers in the way they need?

00:13:19.580 And this poll also showed that the indictments have Republican voters say they're more likely to support Donald Trump, given the indictments rather than less, which is also concerning.

00:13:30.680 I think what Republican voters aren't quite realizing is that Trump is free to be out in camp and to campaign now.

00:13:37.960 But by the time he secures the nomination a year from now, he's going to be tied up in court dealing with these things and be unable to campaign.

00:13:47.100 And in 2020, we had Donald Trump out campaigning and Joe Biden in his basement.

00:13:52.840 This time around, it may be, you know, Joe Biden campaigning with a walker and Donald Trump not in his basement, but in the courtroom.

00:13:59.260 And I'm not sure that's a reality that Republican voters have fully metabolized.

00:14:04.400 I mean, you've got the Fox Business debate at the end of September.

00:14:09.140 Then you have the third presidential debate in Alabama at the end of October.

00:14:14.740 And we don't know whether Trump is going to be it.

00:14:17.540 We know he's not going to the Fox Business debate.

00:14:19.300 He said that.

00:14:20.380 So what happened was he tweeted out or truthed out on his social network.

00:14:23.840 No more debates.

00:14:24.700 I'm not doing any debates.

00:14:25.640 Then NBC News found him and said, no, no debates.

00:14:30.380 And someone close to Trump was cited in NBC News reports saying not definitely not the first two, but left the door open to ones that may come after.

00:14:41.280 But this now really does make you question.

00:14:43.480 How many debates are there going to be?

00:14:46.160 Because if this like if we get to Iowa and Trump wins it by, you know, 25 points or whatever, I don't even like if he runs away with Iowa and then New Hampshire comes right after and he runs away with it's done like super Tuesday in March.

00:15:00.120 Are we really going to be looking at like it's done, Emily?

00:15:02.320 So I just it's all happening a lot faster than I expected it to than maybe the DeSantis campaign expected it to.

00:15:09.940 It's just the momentum behind Trump that very much feels unstoppable.

00:15:14.620 Yeah.

00:15:15.220 And there's one thing in my mind that could prolong this, and it's the sort of silver lining for DeSantis potentially.

00:15:21.560 And maybe there's an argument that Nikki Haley or Vivek sees this as something that could happen to them as well.

00:15:26.840 But if you look at those numbers in Iowa, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Trump is not over the 50 percent hurdle, which is important because it calls to mind how Biden ended up winning, you know, for instance, South Carolina and some of those early states back in 2020, which is that the establishment despised kind of the kind of Bernie Sanders, actually.

00:15:46.640 In fact, it was Bernie Sanders so much that they said, Pete, Amy, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, you're getting out of the race.

00:15:53.240 This is important enough that you need to sacrifice and rally behind Joe Biden so that Bernie Sanders can be wiped off the face of the electoral earth at this point.

00:16:02.460 And that is potentially something that a Ron DeSantis or a Nikki Haley can maybe bank on going into Iowa and South Carolina if they can say, listen, we pull all of our stuff together.

00:16:12.140 This is an emergency situation.

00:16:14.120 Even if you you're OK with Donald Trump being president, he's not your first choice.

00:16:17.960 I'm talking of like what donors might see or other people in high profile positions.

00:16:22.180 It doesn't matter because he's going to be busy fighting these lawsuits, fighting these charges in court.

00:16:29.260 And that's not good for the Republican Party, period, because you will lose.

00:16:32.100 You won't have to you won't have the opportunity to go face to face with Joe Biden.

00:16:34.960 He's going to be bogged down by all these legal hurdles.

00:16:37.140 Let's consolidate.

00:16:37.960 So that option potentially still does exist for a DeSantis or a Haley.

00:16:42.640 And that's something they can be banking on going into this.

00:16:45.620 But they would really have to be coordinated, organized and ready to compromise on that question.

00:16:51.840 And I see zero will among them to do that in the way that the Democrats did back in 2020.

00:16:56.600 Yeah, it doesn't seem like the Republican Party has any control over its people the way the Democratic Party does.

00:17:02.780 Right. Like the Republicans are, I think, in general, are just more independent minded and they don't march to the beat of dear leader.

00:17:08.620 And the Democrats have this iron grip.

00:17:11.260 I mean, to the point where their top operatives are giving debate questions out to their candidates, as we now know.

00:17:16.600 Hello, Donna Brazile looking at you.

00:17:18.440 You lied to my face.

00:17:19.740 You denied it, but I knew you did it.

00:17:22.020 You remember.

00:17:23.280 OK, so we'll see what happens on the GOP side.

00:17:26.040 But yes, if that's the only possible way, it seems at this point, is for the other candidates to get behind one candidate, the non-Trump alternative, and put all their might behind him.

00:17:35.820 I mean, good, good luck. Take it up with Vivek Ramaswamy, who does not seem in a mind to get behind anybody other than Trump and maybe himself.

00:17:44.800 I don't know. By the way, this same article is saying this.

00:17:47.460 Jeff Rowe is saying Trump is a, quote, surefire loser who cannot win the four states that he says this race will come down to Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

00:18:00.600 And he said to the donors, we have Senate races there that also cannot overcome Trump on the ballot.

00:18:08.340 I mean, those are the states, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

00:18:12.040 He's not raising bad questions, Eliana.

00:18:14.080 I mean, those really this is really the question for GOP voters right now, as much as they love Trump.

00:18:19.360 And and sure, he's well on his way to becoming the nominee.

00:18:22.300 But can he get over the hump in those critical states when he's against?

00:18:27.400 Yes, an unpopular guy. Is he as unpopular as Hillary Clinton was Joe Biden?

00:18:32.180 You know, people are upset about his age, but do they loathe him as much as they loathe Hillary Clinton?

00:18:39.020 And can Republican voters take that for granted?

00:18:42.040 A couple of things on that, Megan. You know, it's great for Jeff Rowe to make that case.

00:18:45.240 It would be even better for Governor Ron DeSantis to be out on the campaign trail and on a debate stage making that case against Donald Trump.

00:18:55.160 If you want to win, Republicans, if you want to win, you have to support somebody other than Donald Trump who sandbagged Republican senatorial prospects in Georgia,

00:19:05.780 who lost the 2020 election, who lost the popular vote in in 2020 and so on and so forth.

00:19:13.440 But they need to be out there making that case.

00:19:17.200 The other thing I would say is that in the polls and in this Wall Street Journal poll,

00:19:22.260 their poll on the general election moving away from what it shows in the Republican primary was really interesting.

00:19:27.860 It actually showed Trump in a stronger position going into the 2024 general election than in the 2020 general election.

00:19:34.760 He is in a dead heat with Joe Biden, which he never really was in 2020.

00:19:40.120 And by an 11 point margin, more voters see Trump rather than Biden as having a record of accomplishment of as president.

00:19:49.020 And well, that's 51 to 40.

00:19:53.140 And by an eight point margin, more voters said Trump has a vision for the future.

00:19:57.840 So it is if this is a vote on personality, Biden wins.

00:20:03.200 More people view him as likable.

00:20:05.060 But if it's about accomplishment and vision, voters support Trump on that.

00:20:10.100 So in a general election, I think it's hard.

00:20:13.300 You know, Barack Obama is there warning Joe Biden and Democrats that they need to take the prospect of a Trump victory very, very seriously.

00:20:21.220 Biden and the Democrats are angling for a Trump nomination.

00:20:24.060 That's why they're hitting him with indictment after indictment.

00:20:26.640 They know it helps his prospects, but it is very possible that he will win reelection.

00:20:33.020 Republicans need to be making the case that he's a surefire loser if they want to defeat him.

00:20:37.660 I didn't hear that a lot on the stage in the first debate.

00:20:40.000 I don't know about you guys.

00:20:41.780 No, they didn't.

00:20:42.780 I mean, the Trump numbers, Trump v. Biden.

00:20:44.780 And let's talk about that piece of the journal.

00:20:46.500 There was another journal poll on that piece of it.

00:20:48.680 General election poll.

00:20:50.160 The numbers are interesting to me because, of course, in 2016, there really was a secret Trump vote that was not accounted for in the poll.

00:20:56.640 I mean, just go back and look at Google general election polls 2016 and you'll see everybody had it wrong.

00:21:02.440 I mean, it was like Trafalgar had it right and nobody else had it right.

00:21:06.280 Everybody was embarrassed.

00:21:07.460 They completely expected Hillary Clinton to win.

00:21:09.880 I think The Washington Post or The New York Times said she had a 98 percent chance of winning that night as we went into the, you know, counting the numbers.

00:21:16.580 And, of course, we know that's not what happened.

00:21:18.460 She lost and Donald Trump won.

00:21:19.860 And there was a secret Trump vote of people who were afraid to tell pollsters or speak publicly about their support for this person who was very controversial and who was in the news every day from every publication saying he was a racist and a misogynist and a bigot and all the terrible things.

00:21:33.820 I think they've come out.

00:21:36.080 They've come out of the closet now because there was not a secret Trump vote factor in the 2020 presidential election.

00:21:43.100 And it's less stigmatizing, I think, in today's day and age to say you like Trump.

00:21:48.200 You know, they know they've seen the numbers.

00:21:50.280 Half the country voted for Trump.

00:21:52.380 You know, it's really not that controversial.

00:21:54.340 Virtually all Republicans voted for Trump back in 2017.

00:21:57.860 You know, he didn't get or 20, sorry, 2020.

00:22:00.280 He didn't get the, you know, 17,000 that he needed to put him over the top.

00:22:04.180 But, you know, the point is it's not as bad to say it.

00:22:06.740 So I don't know about these polls, whether there's a hidden Trump vote or not, because some people say the numbers for Trump are even more inflated than polls like the Journal are showing.

00:22:14.900 Um, the Journal poll that you just referenced shows now that, um, stand by the negative views of Biden's age and performance in office help explain why only 39% of voters have a favorable view of him.

00:22:31.180 He's got just a 42% job approval.

00:22:33.660 He's seen favorably by just 39%, 57% disapprove of him, uh, 73% of voters, uh, say they feel Biden is too old to seek a second term.

00:22:48.880 That's unbelievable.

00:22:50.160 73%, two thirds of Democrats say he's too old to run again.

00:22:56.700 That's amazing.

00:22:57.840 Only 47% of voters say that Trump, who's 77 years old, he's only three and a half years behind Biden, is too old to run again.

00:23:06.540 So the age problem is not being held against Trump.

00:23:08.960 I would say, you guys, this is proof that it's not an ageism problem.

00:23:12.140 The voters are not ableist.

00:23:14.000 They're not ageist.

00:23:15.620 They're taking people on a case by case basis and they see a vibrant man in Trump and they see a near corpse.

00:23:21.060 Forgive me, but it's true. 0.52

00:23:22.500 And Joe Biden, Emily.

00:23:24.080 I think that's a great point.

00:23:25.360 And I hadn't even thought about it that way because, uh, that, that is the, the line the White House is going to use more and more.

00:23:30.800 But, uh, there's just an obvious difference between, you know, people, and, and we've all seen this in our own personal lives.

00:23:36.360 Uh, one person who's 85, one person who's even 90 could be dramatically different than somebody who's, uh, 70 or somebody who's 60.

00:23:45.340 I mean, these, these things are just a case by case basis.

00:23:48.560 And another really interesting point that you also just raised, I think, is the secret Trump voter, the, the, perhaps the decline of the secret Trump voter.

00:23:54.760 Another thing Republicans in Washington, D.C. are really worried about is that you just have Trump voters who don't even believe their votes are counted.

00:24:02.540 They believe that, for instance, uh, the situation in some of these key swing states is going to be, uh, rigged by vote counters.

00:24:09.680 So what's the point in going out to vote if you're so disenchanted and disillusioned by the process and distrustful of the process, you could actually lose key segments of Trump votes in states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, because people are just like, what the hell?

00:24:22.820 My vote's not going to count.

00:24:23.880 Uh, so why do I show up anyway?

00:24:25.980 But then at the same time, you have, you know, this huge problem for Joe Biden, especially with young voters.

00:24:31.180 Um, and I think it's just shameful, shameful to have numbers like that and not debate.

00:24:36.200 I get that incumbent presidents don't debate.

00:24:38.240 It's not the norm, but to have numbers like that thing, the saying the country, uh, even your own party thinks you're too old, thinks that you should debate, thinks that, you know, they should have another option on the table.

00:24:48.160 Basically, they're just opening this giant hole for, uh, Joe Manchin to step into and play like Ross Perot spoiler, which is becoming a bigger possibility every single week.

00:24:58.620 And especially the more that Biden's numbers look like this.

00:25:01.240 It's so true. 0.84

00:25:02.460 It's such a good point.

00:25:03.380 Two thirds of his own party don't want him, Eliana, and he refuses to even debate the up and coming challengers.

00:25:11.020 You know, I mean, I realize that neither side is particularly happy with the prospect of a Trump Biden rematch.

00:25:17.420 But Trump, he does have huge numbers within his own party, obviously.

00:25:22.100 And we just went through some of them.

00:25:23.720 Uh, and yet Joe Biden has got his fingers in his ears and his eyes closed and pretending there is no RFKJ.

00:25:29.720 There's no Joe Manchin.

00:25:31.220 There's no Marianne Williamson.

00:25:32.620 Well, there's really, there isn't a Marianne Williamson.

00:25:34.360 But anyway, he's not going to, I mean, he's, he's not going to pay any attention to any up and comers.

00:25:40.080 I do think there's a broad concern in the Democratic Party that Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump once.

00:25:47.880 Barack Obama dissuaded him from running in 2016 and Hillary Clinton lost to Trump.

00:25:52.280 Biden then ran in 2020 and beat Trump.

00:25:55.520 And I think Biden thinks he's the only person who can beat Trump in 2024.

00:25:59.780 I don't think he thinks Kamala Harris can do it.

00:26:01.940 And I don't think the Democratic Party thinks Kamala Harris can do it. 0.85

00:26:04.620 And I think that's why you see the reluctance from Biden to cede the stage and, um, and open a primary.

00:26:12.340 I think Democrats really worry that they don't have somebody ready to go on the sidelines, um, partially because there would be deference to Kamala Harris. 0.50

00:26:19.940 They feel pressure to defer to her as the vice president, uh, know that she would lose. 0.97

00:26:24.440 But I do think that Biden, um, Biden is selling himself as the only person who can defeat Trump.

00:26:31.140 And, uh, and Barack Obama, um, the only person who could make him, um, leave exit stage left is Barack Obama intervening, um, and telling him, you know, I'm going to come out and say, you got to go publicly unless you do it privately.

00:26:48.900 And we'll arrange for a graceful exit and everyone will celebrate you and your record.

00:26:52.480 And, you know, we'll arrange in the background for somebody to, um, become the nominee.

00:26:58.120 But I do think that his record of having defeated Trump once is, uh, is what he's running on this time.

00:27:05.140 That and the indictments, right?

00:27:07.280 It's you pointed it out a second ago that, um, the Republican voters don't care at all about the indictments.

00:27:16.960 The Democrats are banking on them in, if he, if Trump gets to the general, the numbers are as follows.

00:27:23.720 This is again from the wall street journal poll, more than 60% of Republican primary voters said the indictments are politically motivated and without merit.

00:27:32.340 Each one, some 78% say Trump's actions after the 2020 election were legitimate efforts to ensure an accurate vote.

00:27:43.380 They are not moved by the January 6th stories, period.

00:27:49.140 Uh, 16% said Trump had illegally tried to block Congress from certifying an election that he had lost 16.

00:27:56.820 And that consists of Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney.

00:28:00.600 I mean, that's 16.

00:28:02.120 The Republicans are not interested in that story.

00:28:05.160 Uh, about half, 48% said the indictments made them more likely to vote for Trump in 2024.

00:28:11.980 So you've got one added to Republican voters saying, if any, I don't believe the charges. 0.99

00:28:17.480 I think they're total bullshit. 0.98

00:28:19.100 He had every right to protest the election. 1.00

00:28:21.480 And if anything, it's made me more likely to vote for him.

00:28:25.140 I, the country's in an existential crisis and I'm going to vote for team sanity.

00:28:29.480 Uh, I'm not voting for the people who have weaponized the DOJ.

00:28:32.080 That's what they're saying.

00:28:33.120 Uh, some 16% say they're less likely.

00:28:35.760 Again, I refer you to the 16% who say he tried to illegally block the congressional votes.

00:28:41.340 The same people.

00:28:42.440 Um, so here is George Stephanopoulos over the weekend trying to wrestle with the fact that Republican voters don't care.

00:28:52.360 They, he, they don't care.

00:28:53.820 And Republican candidates don't care. 0.89

00:28:55.700 Vivek Ramaswamy was his guest.

00:28:57.300 And here's the shot for.

00:29:00.600 Your hand shot up pretty fast at the debate when you were asked whether you would vote for Donald Trump in the general election, even if he was a convicted felon.

00:29:08.580 Can you just explain why you would vote for a convicted felon for president?

00:29:12.140 I'm asking you why you made the promise.

00:29:14.240 Why do you think it's okay for a convicted felon to be president?

00:29:16.940 And you find his actions abhorrent around January 6th.

00:29:19.560 You said he was wrong to take the classified information.

00:29:22.120 You said you would not do that yourself.

00:29:23.600 Yet you still say you would vote for him for president.

00:29:25.360 That's what I don't get.

00:29:26.660 Sir, that, that, that man is, is the front runner for the Republican nomination right now.

00:29:30.080 He's a former president of the United States.

00:29:31.440 He's leading you by 40 points.

00:29:32.740 Yet you still say you would vote for him despite what you say about his behavior.

00:29:36.880 That's the question I am asking.

00:29:38.600 So your bottom line is that you would vote for a convicted felon because other people are voting for a convicted felon.

00:29:45.660 So, Emily, that's we cut that just to show he can't he doesn't get it like the whole left half of the country. 0.75

00:29:54.740 It's like we had a plan.

00:29:56.820 And what like why isn't why aren't you responding to our plan?

00:30:00.500 He's terrible. 1.00

00:30:01.080 He's a criminal. 0.94

00:30:01.840 It's amazing to me that exchange from George Stephanopoulos has to happen on air between him and Vivek Ramaswamy and not voters like as you were pointing out, like millions of voters around the country who could give you a very articulate explanation of why that is a much lower level priority for them.

00:30:18.960 Why Donald Trump's, you know, whatever he did after the election in January 6th is a much lower level priority for them than the fact that it's being weaponized by his political opponents to potentially put him in prison, not to mention levels of inflation that create real material concerns for them.

00:30:37.520 The health care situation that create real material concerns for them, all of these higher level priorities that voters have that make it perfectly easy for them to reconcile in their own head voting for Donald Trump, even though he did some bad stuff in their minds after the election and on January 6th and maybe even since versus voting for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or back in 2016 Hillary Clinton.

00:31:01.960 And it is so easy for the average voter who is, you know, maybe they're not even Republicans, but independents or Democrats in certain states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020.

00:31:12.920 This is this makes perfect sense to them.

00:31:14.940 They see what happened, what's happening with gender ideology.

00:31:17.900 They see what's happening with maybe their pro-life voters and they see what the Biden administration wants to do with abortion.

00:31:24.060 These things are totally not mutually exclusive to them.

00:31:27.440 And all you need to do is sit down with a voter to understand that Vivek Ramaswamy is hardly crazy for echoing the exact same thing on the debate stage.

00:31:35.440 And I think it's been a problem for the other candidates, DeSantis included, who I thought was going to be really good about this, to make that case on the debate stage as well in a way that resonated with those millions of Republican voters.

00:31:45.340 The 58 percent, as Emily's ticking off the issues, Eliana, 58 percent of voters in the same journal poll saying the economy's gotten worse over the past two years.

00:31:56.060 Only 28 percent say it's gotten better.

00:31:58.460 Nearly three in four, three out of four people say inflation is headed in the wrong direction. 0.98

00:32:04.100 They don't give a shit about Trump's indictments. 0.98

00:32:07.980 They don't. 0.99

00:32:08.660 They think that it's been a political weaponization of the DOJ.

00:32:12.240 They're not persuaded that he did anything wrong.

00:32:14.520 And to me, it almost reminds me, Eliana, of the the E.

00:32:17.720 Jean Carroll moment at the CNN town hall where Caitlin Collins was like, you know, this woman, she's won this verdict against you in a civil courtroom for, you know, sexual battery.

00:32:29.760 And the audience laughed.

00:32:31.280 And then the CNN panel panel after the fact and a bunch of Democrat writers in the press were like, oh, they left at a rape victim.

00:32:40.420 And we sat back here saying, hello, they don't believe she's a rape victim.

00:32:46.000 Why is everyone just jumping to the conclusion that because she got a 51 percent verdict in New York, a civil verdict, which is just a 51 to 49 percent standard?

00:32:55.300 Is it more likely than not that he assaulted her in some way that everybody must believe?

00:32:59.720 As a matter of fact, this woman was raped in a Bergdorf Goodman. 0.69

00:33:02.720 Right. 0.97

00:33:02.900 It's like hell they don't get they don't believe it.

00:33:06.380 Try to understand it.

00:33:07.940 Biden is vulnerable.

00:33:09.540 OK, the journal poll shows that by basically by a factor of by a margin of two to one voters disapprove of his handling of inflation, of the border and of the economy.

00:33:20.500 He's vulnerable.

00:33:23.000 Republicans need a candidate who can aggressively prosecute the case against him.

00:33:28.820 Unfortunately, I don't think the voters for whom the indictments are not an issue at all.

00:33:37.080 And I understand why they wouldn't care.

00:33:41.060 They're not significant.

00:33:42.320 Some of them are not significant to me.

00:33:45.280 I understand that.

00:33:46.680 But the election is not going to be won or lost based on those voters and their feeling.

00:33:50.500 It's going to be won or lost by a handful of independents.

00:33:53.560 We saw that in 2020 and we saw that in 2016.

00:33:57.780 Those swing voters need to hear from a candidate who's going to be able to aggressively prosecute the case against Biden, not somebody who's going to be tied up in court from Super Tuesday on.

00:34:09.720 That is just the reality.

00:34:11.580 This is not fair to Trump, but life is not fair.

00:34:14.440 You know, like it or not, Trump has put himself in this position based on irresponsible behavior, irresponsible, if not illegal.

00:34:23.780 And if I were a savvy Republican who wanted to win, I probably wouldn't nominate him. 0.99

00:34:30.840 You may think the indictments are a load of crap. 0.99

00:34:35.000 Some of them, I believe, are. 0.97

00:34:37.480 But nonetheless, I do not think he is going to be in a strong position to aggressively prosecute this case against somebody who is. 0.98

00:34:46.700 The polls are showing us an incredibly weak and fragile and mentally deficient Democratic nominee. 0.97

00:34:56.660 That's the thing.

00:34:57.500 I mean, Jeff Rowe, Emily, may have been a little too honest and a little too needy in that presentation to the super donors for DeSantis.

00:35:05.440 But he's not wrong about the four states and what what it's going to come down to. 0.98

00:35:10.760 Now, he may be wrong about his conclusion that Trump is a guaranteed loser. 0.96

00:35:13.400 They're surefire is what he is, how it appears in the piece. 0.98

00:35:17.720 Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

00:35:20.880 That is the relevant question.

00:35:22.320 I mean, you know, Eliana is not wrong.

00:35:23.940 Like, does this any of the discussion we had matter?

00:35:28.080 Right.

00:35:28.580 Who it's almost like who cares what the Republicans think about the charges?

00:35:32.180 We already know that they don't think much of the charges.

00:35:34.040 The only real question is, what are the independent voters in the key swing states?

00:35:37.540 Think of the charges.

00:35:38.680 And I have one point of disagreement with Eliana and then one point of disagreement with Jeff Rowe, which is that it's it will come down to a handful of independents.

00:35:46.280 Absolutely true.

00:35:47.160 But then also what has to factor into that as a variable is turnout.

00:35:51.300 And that's where Jeff Rowe looks at a state like Wisconsin and says, you know, Trump is going to drag the Republican ballot down in Wisconsin.

00:35:59.420 And at the same time, I think that's, you know, sort of stale beltway conventional wisdom.

00:36:04.240 That's my home state.

00:36:05.120 And I look at what Donald Trump did to electrify voters who may not have come out in a presidential election in 2016.

00:36:11.660 And he lost the state in 2020, but still put up decent numbers.

00:36:14.400 There are people, especially in the Rust Belt, that just plainly don't vote.

00:36:18.680 And then you have to balance that with young people who are not going to come out and vote for Joe Biden unless the Democratic Party is really able to successfully message the election as, for instance, abortion in a way as a referendum on abortion policy that gets young voters, suburban people in those like suburban.

00:36:35.680 And let's just say suburban Milwaukee counties, the Wow counties in Wisconsin to come out.

00:36:39.700 And so I don't think it's surefire at all, because what you need is a candidate like Jeff Rowe's own candidate who on a state level was able to bridge these two disparate factions of Republican voters, the hardcore MAGA base and the sort of suburban people who are averse to Trump, but would vote Republican if given a different option.

00:37:02.180 That is almost an impossible balancing act to pull off. Ron DeSantis did it in Florida, which is why exactly why everyone thought he would be able to do it on the national stage.

00:37:11.280 Strong economy, great policies there, was competent as a governor and also sort of aggressively pushed back on ideological excesses of the left.

00:37:19.260 And that Ron DeSantis has not been the one that's been campaigning.

00:37:22.520 And none of the other candidates, none of the other candidates, with the possible exception of Avake, are showing that they can talk to those two disparate groups of Republican voters that are absolutely essential to have both turnout and suburban voters.

00:37:35.940 And this was DeSantis' attempt. This was DeSantis' opportunity to prove that it could be done nationally. And he hasn't made that case.

00:37:43.020 I just keep going back to that. He had 37% in New Hampshire in June. DeSantis did. 37% in June. It's now September 5th and he's at 10%. That is not the stuff of a winning campaign.

00:37:58.800 According to his people, he's got 60 days to turn it around. We'll see. More with Emily and Eliana right after this quick break.

00:38:05.380 Okay, so it turns out that, you know, we knew that Joe Biden had a pseudonym that he was using.

00:38:15.720 And now it turns out that Hunter Biden's firm, like while he was sitting vice president, Hunter Biden's firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners, traded more than 1,000 emails with Joe Biden's office during his time as vice president.

00:38:30.900 And hundreds, quoting here from the New York Post, remain hidden because the executive, because the White House is asserting executive privilege.

00:38:41.060 861 emails referencing Rosemont Seneca sent or received by the office of the vice president.

00:38:46.980 Again, while he was the sitting vice president, America First Legal got this trove of documents and requested them in the first place.

00:38:54.240 That's Stephen Miller's legal organization.

00:38:55.940 And now they've gotten some of them, but have been stiff-armed on some 1,000 of them, citing executive privilege.

00:39:04.400 So is this a story, Emily, or is this a nothing burger?

00:39:08.700 This sounds like emails in the virtual garage by the virtual Corvette.

00:39:13.120 I mean, again, it's like echoes of Hillary Clinton in an almost precise fashion.

00:39:18.180 It's not a private server, that's true, but if this is government business, which in all likelihood a lot of it is, that's why you can't just assert executive privilege willy-nilly.

00:39:29.420 You shouldn't be able to because it's true that a lot of these emails could have been potentially were private back and forths, but now we have to have the American people just trusting that's the case.

00:39:39.400 Given everything they know about both Joe Biden and Hunter Biden's involvement in these foreign businesses, Joe Biden showing up at Cafe Milano with Hunter Biden's clients, going on the golf course with Hunter Biden's clients, allegedly profiting from Hunter Biden's own profits based on what Hunter told his daughter Naomi in that text message from the laptop about, you know, supporting pop, something to that extent.

00:40:04.440 So we're asking the American people simply to trust that executive privilege was invoked reasonably here.

00:40:12.420 But again, there's this like really serious question about whether government business was being handled respectfully, responsibly, and it's another drop in the bucket when it comes to the broader Hunter Biden question.

00:40:23.820 But it is a serious one for Joe Biden, given what it did to, for instance, Hillary Clinton, that she seemed to be hiding things on private email accounts that wouldn't necessarily have been foiable or accessible to the public.

00:40:35.660 So it's not it's not a perfect one to one. It's not perfect apples to apples.

00:40:38.800 But in principle, there's some some serious similarities that the public is going to want answers to.

00:40:44.220 Yeah, Eliana, I mean, he's he looks like he and his cronies, Hunter and his cronies were regularly emailing the office of the vice president to get invitations for various events to find out guests, guest lists for various events.

00:40:57.060 Who exactly is going to be at this state dinner or that state luncheon involving countries like Turkey and the U.K., the 2012 U.K. state dinner, the 2013 Turkey state luncheon, the 2014 France state dinner, the bios of the guests all shared with Rosemont Seneca employees like what.

00:41:18.140 But this really was Hunter Biden's little breeding ground, his hunting ground for future liners of his own pockets is the way that this is coming across.

00:41:29.400 Never mind Joe Biden's. And yet what you get repeatedly from the press, from Joe Biden's defenders is one, nothing to see here.

00:41:37.800 And two, absolutely no proof that Joe Biden did anything wrong or benefited from any of these relationships in any way.

00:41:45.840 These emails and there were three pseudonymous email addresses that Joe Biden used, used to evade FOIA, are now the subject of a lawsuit brought by the Southwestern Legal Foundation, I believe.

00:42:02.300 I hope I'm getting that right. And the White House is citing executive privilege over them, which means they were discussing something substantive that the vice president's office wants to keep private.

00:42:15.320 Given the salience of this issue now and the vice president's repeated denials about what he discussed with his son and when, I do think the public deserves to see these emails.

00:42:28.320 And by the way, if the vice president, given the salience of this issue in the Biden presidency now, if he really, truly, there was nothing to see here, if I were him, I would release all the emails and say, look, here are all the emails we traded while I was in office.

00:42:46.600 Go through them, go through them and surely you'll see. There was nothing of substance that we talked about.

00:42:52.260 There was no impropriety. But it does raise the question, why was Hunter Biden simply not emailing Joe Biden's normal email address?

00:43:01.720 He was emailing these alias emails. Some of them were gmails and not government email addresses.

00:43:06.660 We, of course, the public, of course, deserves to see these emails.

00:43:09.260 It's a serious question as to why they're asserting executive privilege over them.

00:43:14.140 And by now, we, of course, cannot believe the White House's denials about them as they Biden himself and his aides have shown to have lied about this.

00:43:25.580 They lied when they said that Hunter Biden had never taken money from China.

00:43:29.700 They lied when they said that Joe Biden had never discussed business with his son.

00:43:34.320 And what we know, you know, who knows if we'll ever find out that Joe Biden got money or was in on this.

00:43:40.080 But I think it's obvious that any father is interested in the success, including the financial success of his child,

00:43:50.520 and that he allowed new and allowed his child to profit from his government position for his own success and that Biden had an interest in that.

00:44:00.860 We all want our kids to do well and that that was wrong, given his position in government.

00:44:06.980 If that's all we ever find out, it's it's like Trump, whether he broke the law or not, what he did was wrong.

00:44:14.820 Um, I don't have a problem passing judgment on Trump about it, even though there may not have been a law that was broken.

00:44:21.040 And I don't have a problem passing judgment on Biden about it, whether or not there's a law that was broken.

00:44:26.200 He abused his office and the trust the American people put in him.

00:44:30.560 Yeah, I agree with you. It's it's quite simple.

00:44:33.060 You don't need to go to the did he get a five million dollar bribe from Burisma in order to condemn Joe Biden and what he's done, Emily.

00:44:39.800 But that like I want to get into what happened with the the guy who runs the Comedy Cellar.

00:44:45.700 His name is Noam Dorman, and he's amazing.

00:44:49.220 I've known this guy for many years.

00:44:50.720 I met Coleman Hughes through this guy right after I left NBC and I was still licking my wounds.

00:44:57.780 And the wonderful Coleman Hughes was at the Comedy Cellar.

00:45:00.000 And so was I. And Noam introduced the two of us and a beautiful friendship was formed and everything was great.

00:45:04.500 But I love this guy. So he's started his own podcast.

00:45:06.980 And like a lot of people in the comedy world, he's a genius.

00:45:10.180 You know, like people who are attracted to this world tend to be extremely clever, high level thinkers, usually somewhat damaged, but awesome.

00:45:17.540 You know, that's just the way it is.

00:45:19.800 And Noam's got his own podcast now and managed to get Philip Bump of The Washington Post to come on.

00:45:26.740 Unbelievable that Philip Bump went on there and they had an extraordinary exchange.

00:45:31.180 I don't know if I have time. How many minutes do I have, Steve?

00:45:33.780 I don't have enough time to get it in before this break. I'm going to play. That's a good tease.

00:45:37.260 I'll play it right when we come back from this break. Before we go, ladies, I'll show you the studio guys. 0.62

00:45:41.700 Can we take like a wider shot so I can show the ladies I can show off what I've done here? 1.00

00:45:46.080 It's kind of fun. If you see it on the wider shot, you'll see that there is the face of a woman over here on my right. 0.84

00:45:53.100 And I said to the studio designer, because I love the look of it.

00:45:56.680 I'm like, is that like some bitchy model who's going to come back and be like, I don't want my face on the Megyn Kelly show. 1.00

00:46:02.380 It's AI generated. So I don't need to worry about that.

00:46:08.300 Oh, so she's a demon. 0.96

00:46:10.240 She's she's the demon. It goes perfectly with my devil may care media approach. 0.96

00:46:14.860 So what do you think? It's kind of see, I've got like the cocktails over there in the corner.

00:46:18.780 So when you guys come in person, we can sit, we can drink together.

00:46:22.080 I got the lady. I got my devil may care red.

00:46:25.600 What are you thinking? How are you liking it?

00:46:27.360 I was actually going to say it looks like a like a super cool cocktail lounge where you could just like drink and have amazing conversations for hours.

00:46:34.440 It's like a perfect look, especially what you're talking about earlier in the show for a new media platform that really wants to like have nuance and open conversations.

00:46:42.600 Yes. See, she gets me. Eliana, you feel it? Are you are you picking up what I'm feeling it?

00:46:47.740 Megan, you need a signature cocktail to go with the studio.

00:46:50.680 So I do. Abby, how do we not think of that? My God, we got to drink.

00:46:56.940 She's a teetotaler. Oh, we got it. I'm not.

00:47:00.360 We got to come in. We'll inaugurate it. It'll be great.

00:47:04.060 Yes. OK, awesome. It's a date on the zoom out shot.

00:47:08.260 You can see we've got a little golden M in the desk.

00:47:11.840 Had to pay extra for that. Not going to lie. It was worth it.

00:47:14.720 OK, stand by. We're going to get to that gnome doorman sought with Philip Bump.

00:47:18.980 Wait until you hear. This is like the most amazing expression of cluelessness from somebody who's running political coverage.

00:47:24.980 I mean, he's like at the forefront of political coverage for one of our major publications, The Washington Post.

00:47:30.120 This is living proof of why you don't trust the mainstream media.

00:47:33.540 We'll have it right after this.

00:47:35.180 OK, so back to our friend Gnome, who runs the Comedy Cellar and does a great podcast and somehow managed to get Philip Bump of The Washington Post.

00:47:47.320 He's the writer, quote, focused largely on the numbers behind the politics, according to his bio.

00:47:53.820 But he loses all ability to analyze anything when it reflects poorly on Joe Biden, his potential corruption.

00:48:01.180 So we have a couple of soundbites from the interview, including where he had gone on.

00:48:07.520 I think Noam had openly said, I want somebody to come on and debate with me whether there's evidence that Joe Biden is potentially corrupt.

00:48:16.000 And, you know, how high this Hunter Biden scandal goes, he was looking for somebody who would disagree with him.

00:48:21.260 I think Noam sees corruption and he's troubled and he was looking for somebody in the press who would disagree with him.

00:48:26.580 And Philip went on and it didn't go very well.

00:48:29.560 It did not did not go well for Phil.

00:48:31.680 Phil, here's the first soundbite in which Phil is trying to defend Joe Biden on the claims of corruption sought to. 0.95

00:48:40.200 This is so silly.

00:48:41.580 So then find me evidence that Joe Biden acted on behalf of Brisman when he called for the firing of Shokin. 0.96

00:48:46.320 Find me evidence of that.

00:48:47.140 There is none.

00:48:48.340 I'm getting to that.

00:48:49.440 I just don't like, yes.

00:48:50.460 OK, if you want to nitpick and pick out specific isolated snippets of conversation between Devin Archer and Tucker Carlson, who's the least good faith actor in the history of human journalism.

00:48:59.760 Fine.

00:49:00.180 Great.

00:49:00.340 We can have this conversation, but it's not getting to the point.

00:49:03.440 And the point, I thought, was to evaluate this charge that Joe Biden had acted corruptly in regards to Shokin and Brisma.

00:49:10.120 And there's no evidence of that.

00:49:11.400 And Devin Archer's own sworn testimony undercuts your argument, regardless of his using the word spun or fed.

00:49:18.000 OK, so that's number one.

00:49:19.440 There's no evidence, no evidence that Joe Biden was acting on behalf of Brisma.

00:49:25.020 First of all, that's just misstating the argument, right?

00:49:27.200 It's a straw man.

00:49:27.780 That's not what people are not on behalf of Brisma, but on behalf of his own self interests and those of his son in pushing for the firing of this prosecutor.

00:49:36.140 That's the allegation.

00:49:37.020 Not that he was working for Brisma, but that he was influenced by what would benefit his son and what would benefit himself potentially in pushing out this prosecutor in Ukraine who was going after Brisma for corruption.

00:49:49.480 And his son was sitting on the board of Brisma at the time.

00:49:53.140 So, Emily, his that's how he framed.

00:49:55.740 He misframes it, first of all, to make it better for his side, which is a mark of dishonesty.

00:49:59.340 And then secondly, he what he wants, like the smoking gun.

00:50:03.400 He wants the email of the Brisma CEO saying, Mr.

00:50:07.840 Mr.

00:50:08.220 Vice President, please go get this corrupt prosecutor off of our backs because we would like to be corrupt ourselves on an ongoing basis.

00:50:14.980 And pay our money to you and your son.

00:50:16.700 So please help us.

00:50:17.880 Like, that's not generally the way corruption works.

00:50:21.280 But if you look through the actual evidence of what led up to the firing of that prosecutor, you will see very clearly.

00:50:27.440 We went through it just last week on the show that it was not State Department policy nor the plan to call for the firing of that prosecutor.

00:50:35.440 And as recently as like one month before Joe Biden had determined he was going to do it, it came to us as a surprise by anybody in the Obama administration that Joe Biden was about to make this guy's termination a deal term, a requirement for our giving aid to Ukraine.

00:50:52.300 It seems to be the vice president's office that turned it that said, you know what else we need that guy gone.

00:50:57.960 And what was happening just as the vice president turned it, he had phone calls with his son, Hunter, who was on the Brisma board.

00:51:04.320 And then in December of twenty nineteen, they had a meeting that he he's personally spoke with the head of Brisma, who we understand said, I get this guy off my back or said something to that effect.

00:51:17.240 So this is what we've been learning so far.

00:51:19.640 You know, it's not smoking gun right there pointing at the dead body, but it's getting pretty close.

00:51:26.180 And that's the thing with influence peddling is that it's strategic.

00:51:28.720 It's set up this way so that there never is a smoking gun, for instance, unless there is literally a recording of Joe Biden at Cafe Milano or on the golf course with the Burisma executives.

00:51:38.800 Everyone has plausible deniability and can just say, we were just golfing.

00:51:43.660 We were just having martinis at Cafe Milano.

00:51:46.500 So, you know, nothing to see here, which is exactly what Philip Bump is doing, because as much as you can tie this to Hunter and he does concede, he's like, you know what?

00:51:54.300 I think Hunter was doing some stuff that was improper.

00:51:56.300 So unless you can take that further step and go to Joe Biden, the media can continue to say nothing burger, nothing much to see here.

00:52:03.940 And it's actually I mean, the way Noam sets this up, which I think is brilliant, is he's just like casually destroying Philip Bump.

00:52:10.800 And there's something in the media called nut picking where, you know, you go to the Iowa State Fair, find the craziest person and have some like Harvard educated journalists debate them on economic policy, whatever it is.

00:52:21.740 This is the exact opposite of that, because Noam starts the podcast by saying, I asked around, I asked my friend, who was the smartest person who disagrees with me on Joe and Hunter Biden?

00:52:32.380 And they said it was you, Philip Bump. And he just casually destroys Philip Bump's argument and shows where he's wrong calmly, casually throughout the entire like one hour of this podcast.

00:52:44.460 And Philip Bump is an absolutely like precious commodity in Washington, D.C. media circles.

00:52:50.420 He's seen as somebody who is at the top of his field, somebody who is really smart.

00:52:54.400 And he is not willing to say that there is evidence that Joe Biden is tied to the scheme, despite the fact that, again, we all know there's not going to be a check from Burisma to Joe Biden.

00:53:06.620 And the memo line is going to say firing Victor Shokin. Nobody thinks that's what's going to happen.

00:53:11.540 Right. It's the optics, which is the entire route of influence peddling in the first place.

00:53:17.720 It's just being able to get, as we were talking about in the last segment, those White House visitor logs, the guest list for these parties that you can't do if you're Joe Schmo.

00:53:26.660 You can't monetize that if you're Joe Schmo because you can't get your dad's Gmail, which who knows if that's even secure, to say, hey, look who's coming and look what do they do.

00:53:34.540 You don't get that if you're Joe Schmo, but you get it if you're Hunter Biden.

00:53:37.020 It's so true. And Eliana, he he known had Philip Bump on the ropes the whole time it ended with Bump getting up and walking out, which is pretty spectacular because I have to say the questioning while smart was not aggressive.

00:53:54.500 It wasn't you know, he made a fool out of himself by getting up and walking out. 0.86

00:53:58.540 It just showed how thin skinned and eggshelled this guy is. 0.96

00:54:03.220 He's not used to having to answer any questions of his sweeping defenses of the Bidens.

00:54:10.440 Here's a little bit of that moment in thought three.

00:54:13.840 What do you take from the text message to his adult daughter?

00:54:17.740 Hunter's text message, I have to give 50 percent of my income to Pop.

00:54:20.640 I have no idea what that means. I don't. I have no idea what that means.

00:54:23.480 Well, it's it's it's I know it's circumstantial evidence and you prefer that.

00:54:26.960 What could I have no idea? I don't know.

00:54:29.360 Well, I appreciate your has anybody has anybody asked her?

00:54:31.940 I don't know. I don't know.

00:54:33.900 Don't you think somebody should ask her?

00:54:35.580 OK, like I'm not I just said I don't know and I don't know what to make of it.

00:54:38.840 So I have nothing to say about it.

00:54:40.100 Yeah, but I'm going to say.

00:54:41.080 Yeah, but you say there's no evidence, no evidence.

00:54:42.280 But then there's a text message where he says I give Pop 50 percent of my money.

00:54:46.620 That's that's evidence.

00:54:48.160 OK, well, OK, fine, fine.

00:54:50.020 So evidence. I appreciate you having me on.

00:54:52.140 It doesn't that something like that.

00:54:54.500 Who do you think is the more I listen to that and saying I feel you want me to leave,

00:54:59.540 like just walk out in the middle of this because that way you can you can go.

00:55:02.560 Is this a standard?

00:55:03.380 Really? This is the way The Washington Post handles people who disagree with when I agree

00:55:07.460 to be on for 45 minutes and then I get on for an hour and 15.

00:55:10.800 Yeah. That after a while I go.

00:55:11.920 Go. Thanks for having me.

00:55:13.960 Oh, my God.

00:55:15.020 Eliana, I'm so embarrassed for him.

00:55:17.460 I have secondhand embarrassment.

00:55:19.120 I'm I'm like of two minds about this, Megan.

00:55:21.080 Honestly, like.

00:55:23.200 If Philip Bump is the smartest person who and the most qualified person who believes in

00:55:28.420 Joe Biden, that's like a bad sign for Joe Biden, just for for your listeners who don't

00:55:36.060 live in the beltway like Emily and me.

00:55:39.180 I mean, Philip Bump is not a reporter.

00:55:41.040 He's a political commentator who, you know, blogs on The Washington Post website.

00:55:46.000 He's not out there like breaking stories as evidenced by the total and utter lack of

00:55:51.980 curiosity events during this interview, where I think typical people, when confronted with

00:55:58.000 that sort of information, would say, yeah, that's interesting.

00:56:00.500 Like, that's pretty damning text message.

00:56:02.520 And I would be curious what they're referring to.

00:56:05.080 So the problem, I think, is that Philip Bump's attitude in this interview is indicative pretty

00:56:12.540 much of the rest of the mainstream media's.

00:56:15.160 And that's where we sort of run into a problem.

00:56:17.600 The Biden White House has lied repeatedly, not just to the American people, about Joe Biden's

00:56:25.780 relationship to Hunter Biden, what they discussed about Hunter Biden's business directly about

00:56:31.920 Hunter Biden's business, what money he did and didn't take.

00:56:34.720 They've lied to the press about this.

00:56:36.800 And the press has not gotten their dander up about the lies that they had the bald face

00:56:41.540 lies that the White House, Joe Biden himself, his aides, the White House press secretary have

00:56:46.560 told them in the same way that they had gotten their dander up when it was the Trump White House

00:56:52.860 that lied to them.

00:56:53.860 Um, and I think that's where we run into a problem and the sort of emotionality, like

00:56:59.920 you can see Bump getting angry and irritated, um, is the way you get, like when you're emotionally

00:57:05.900 invested, when you're on a team, um, and well said, like the mainstream media, they were,

00:57:13.280 they had that kind of emotional investment in going after Trump in nailing their guy.

00:57:18.540 And they just, not only do they not have that in nailing Biden on this, they have that

00:57:24.100 emotionality in defending him.

00:57:26.520 And that's why we're not ferreting out a lot of information on this story.

00:57:30.620 Like really, it should be the mainstream press that has, uh, that feels it in their kishkis 0.96

00:57:35.660 the way like James Comer does going after this story.

00:57:39.880 The mainstream media should have that holding the powerful to account.

00:57:42.900 We saw that during the Trump presidency, like the number of leaks and stories that, um,

00:57:47.940 a motivated media can get, we camped out at the Trump hotel.

00:57:52.620 They literally, they literally had the opposite, um, in the Biden presidency where, um, they're

00:57:58.480 playing for the team and they're upset by people asking questions.

00:58:02.380 And that I think is the difference.

00:58:04.360 And one of the main problems in our democracy.

00:58:06.280 And then when conservatives ask questions, um, they say, well, you know, that's a case.

00:58:12.800 That's only a story in the conservative ghetto.

00:58:15.320 Um, it should be a story in all of the media.

00:58:18.200 We should all be asking questions of our leaders.

00:58:20.480 Um, and we should all be demanding transparency, whether they're Republicans or Democrats, we

00:58:25.360 should all be interested in holding these people to account.

00:58:27.880 And what Biden did with, um, with his son is wrong, whether or not it was illegal.

00:58:32.400 And it would be wrong if it was a Republican president to what Trump did on January 6th was

00:58:37.520 wrong.

00:58:38.060 And it would be wrong if it was a Democrat to, um, whether or not there's a signature on

00:58:42.600 the dotted line, we should expect more of our leaders than not to break laws.

00:58:46.640 We should expect them to uphold, um, values and, you know, behave with dignity and honor.

00:58:53.080 And I'm sorry, that is not what Hunter Biden did cashing in on his father's name, um, at

00:58:58.540 other people's expense.

00:58:59.620 I mean, just for the listening audience to reiterate what is being alleged there that

00:59:04.900 Noam's asking about asking about is then vice president Joe Biden was in charge of routing

00:59:12.320 out Ukrainian corruption for the Obama administration.

00:59:15.720 He was the point man on that very heavy task.

00:59:19.220 At that time, his son Hunter was sitting on the board of a company being accused of corruption

00:59:27.340 in Ukraine, Burisma.

00:59:29.660 He, they were cashing checks, Joe Hunter Biden, definitely for $85,000 a month from Burisma

00:59:35.760 fact confirmed undisputed at that time getting paid.

00:59:40.220 And then we have an email from Hunter Biden to this sister talking about how he has to give

00:59:45.020 50% of his money to pop.

00:59:47.420 And this is Noam saying to Philip Bump, who says there's no evidence that Joe Biden benefited

00:59:51.440 at all from this relationship saying, aren't you curious?

00:59:55.400 Like all of these things suggest Joe Biden has behaved inappropriately.

00:59:59.880 You don't have to prove he broke a law.

01:00:01.120 He's talking about a corrupt act, an inappropriate setup where he was cashing checks essentially

01:00:08.220 from a, from a foreign company that he was charged with, with investigating essentially,

01:00:16.800 right?

01:00:16.980 By, because he was in charge of Ukrainian corruption.

01:00:19.220 Um, so this is the allegation.

01:00:21.180 And just with that in mind and with what Eliana said in mind, again, what, what a normal reporter

01:00:26.540 would do.

01:00:28.000 Yes.

01:00:28.500 I would like to get to the bottom of this.

01:00:30.720 Listen to that soundbite again.

01:00:31.640 What do you take from the text message to his adult daughter, uh, Hunter's text message

01:00:37.540 that I have to give 50% of my income to pop?

01:00:39.680 I have no idea what that means.

01:00:41.140 I don't, I have no idea what that means.

01:00:42.500 Well, it's, it's, it's, it's, I know it's circumstantial evidence and you prefer that.

01:00:45.700 No, what, what, what could it mean?

01:00:46.920 I have no idea.

01:00:47.620 But doesn't, I don't know.

01:00:48.360 Well, I appreciate your, has anybody, has anybody asked her?

01:00:51.500 I don't know.

01:00:52.280 I don't know.

01:00:52.920 Don't you think somebody should ask her?

01:00:54.620 Okay.

01:00:55.160 Like I, I'm not, I just said, I don't know.

01:00:57.020 And I don't know what to make of it.

01:00:57.880 So I have nothing to say about it.

01:00:59.100 What do you want me to say?

01:00:59.860 Yeah, but you say there's no evidence, no evidence, but then there's a text message

01:01:02.380 where he says, I give pop 50% of my money.

01:01:05.640 That's, that's evidence.

01:01:07.160 Okay.

01:01:07.420 Well, what do you, okay, fine.

01:01:08.480 Fine.

01:01:09.040 So evidence, I appreciate you having me on.

01:01:11.140 It doesn't, that something like that.

01:01:13.360 Who do you think is the more, I, I listen to that and I'm saying, I feel you want me to

01:01:18.260 leave, like just walk out in the middle of this because that way you can, you can go.

01:01:21.560 Is this a standard really?

01:01:22.780 This is the way the Washington post handles people who disagree with them.

01:01:26.180 When I agree to be on for 45 minutes and then I get on for an hour and 15.

01:01:29.740 Yeah.

01:01:30.040 That after a while, thanks for having me.

01:01:32.680 Oh, it's, it's so stomach turning, Emily, because we've all been immersed in this culture

01:01:38.740 for years where this is what we're dealing with on the other side.

01:01:42.160 I don't know.

01:01:42.840 I don't know.

01:01:43.220 I have no idea.

01:01:43.900 I have no idea what that means.

01:01:44.920 I have no idea.

01:01:45.540 I don't know.

01:01:45.940 I don't know.

01:01:46.380 I don't know.

01:01:46.760 I have nothing to say about it.

01:01:47.780 What do you want me to say? 0.96

01:01:48.660 I've not fucking show some curiosity. 0.98

01:01:51.280 That's what we're asking. 0.98

01:01:51.980 Do your job.

01:01:53.160 Be a man.

01:01:54.140 Be, be a journalist.

01:01:55.140 Don't embarrass yourself or your organization, which we used to really respect a long, long

01:01:59.560 time ago. 0.97

01:02:00.200 You're an embarrassment to the profession. 0.99

01:02:02.300 Show some professional curiosity. 0.99

01:02:03.680 And then to the point where he's so weak and intellectually incurious, he's got to end

01:02:10.660 it.

01:02:11.140 He puts his tail between his legs like a little P word and runs. 0.74

01:02:16.920 And you know, you know, he was excited to buy that Acela ticket because he thought he

01:02:22.620 was going to breeze in there and just destroy Noam.

01:02:26.240 You know that he was like, I'm Philip Bump.

01:02:28.020 I'm a journalist.

01:02:28.560 I do this professionally.

01:02:29.340 I have looked into this.

01:02:30.900 That's a great part of the interview where Philip Bump is like, Noam asks him for the

01:02:35.600 evidence and Philip Bump is like, well, neither of us was there.

01:02:38.960 So I've debunked this.

01:02:40.380 I've looked into it.

01:02:41.140 And it's just like that you think the fact that you, Philip Bump, have looked into this

01:02:45.640 and say there's nothing there is enough for the public to be like, oh, let's all turn

01:02:49.580 away like this has been solved. 0.99

01:02:51.620 It's so arrogant and ridiculous. 0.99

01:02:52.940 And it wouldn't be as obnoxious if he wasn't also dripping with sanctimony that he knows 0.99

01:03:00.320 better.

01:03:00.800 He's looked into all of this.

01:03:02.280 If he just came out and said, listen, I'm a partisan spinner, you know, I am on the team.

01:03:08.800 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:09.220 I'm a hack.

01:03:09.720 Right.

01:03:09.980 If he came out and said, like, listen, I'm a Democrat.

01:03:11.900 I like Joe Biden.

01:03:12.820 So maybe I don't see things as unbiased as I should.

01:03:15.740 But of course, he doesn't.

01:03:16.540 He says he's smarter than than absolutely everybody.

01:03:18.880 And that's the other thing he says, you know, like we can't know.

01:03:23.080 I don't know what that text message means.

01:03:24.500 Well, all of the reporters at The Washington Post and elsewhere knew what it meant when,

01:03:28.720 you know, various oligarchs and foreign leaders were coming in and out of the Trump hotel.

01:03:32.840 It's the same thing.

01:03:33.780 They know what it means that Jared Kushner had Saudi Arabia in his portfolio and then cashed out

01:03:38.760 in a way that Joe Schmo certainly couldn't do after Trump left the White House and made

01:03:42.900 this huge deal with Saudi Arabia.

01:03:45.080 They all know what that means.

01:03:46.660 But this they're just like, well, we can't we just simply we simply cannot know.

01:03:50.660 And finally, the Ukraine stuff is infuriating because we as the United States of America

01:03:55.660 have the audacity to go into Ukraine, which is a company, a country that genuinely does 1.00

01:04:00.060 struggle with the issue of corruption and did in the Obama era, as it does now, and boss

01:04:04.560 them around and tell them you need to fix this corruption.

01:04:08.560 The messenger for that from the United States of America's son is working for Burisma, the 0.82

01:04:14.720 corrupt oil.

01:04:15.620 So the guy who's telling them, Ukraine, clean up your corruption.

01:04:18.620 You're not getting any aid money from the United States is compromised because he's a part

01:04:22.560 of corruption in Ukraine and in the United States.

01:04:25.660 It's just outrageous.

01:04:27.740 Yeah.

01:04:27.900 Even today, Eliana, there's a item in the news about how Zelensky over there in Ukraine is

01:04:34.100 is replacing the head of his basically the defense department there for corruption.

01:04:40.840 So we've been sending all this money and it's been very, very controversial over here.

01:04:46.460 We're sending billions and billions of dollars to them.

01:04:48.360 And it's basically an admission that we don't know where it was going and that at least some

01:04:53.200 portion of it was probably misspent because Zelensky is not firing this guy as the head

01:04:57.160 of their defense department for no reason at all.

01:04:59.240 And the reports are he was corrupt.

01:05:00.940 This is what a lot of people have been objecting to our, you know, unending and seemingly

01:05:04.680 capitalist aid to Ukraine have been saying.

01:05:07.300 We don't we don't trust the system.

01:05:09.100 This isn't like sending money to Great Britain.

01:05:12.100 And we would like some people to kick the tires and give us some reassurances about whether

01:05:16.480 our money is being well spent.

01:05:18.120 But if you say anything like that, you're Tucker Carlson, as this guy says, right, you're

01:05:23.280 you're just some whack job who's not based in facts, who's a conspiracy or a conspiracy

01:05:27.260 theorist like you're not allowed to ask those questions.

01:05:29.260 Otherwise, you know, you're some sort of fringe character.

01:05:33.800 Well, that was a separate part of the interview where he says and he said it to Tucker Carlson,

01:05:37.140 the least credible of journalists, you know, the guy could have said it to Hitler.

01:05:42.500 It doesn't matter.

01:05:43.240 Like the motivation, motivations don't really matter in journalism.

01:05:48.200 Devin Archer said it.

01:05:50.620 His statement is a fact.

01:05:52.600 And when you're impugning the motivations of a journalist, you're operating from a pretty

01:05:56.880 weak spot.

01:05:58.740 The other thing that I think that that conversation really made clear, and this is a broader point,

01:06:03.160 is that it's pretty clear that the members of the mainstream press aren't really

01:06:07.020 out mixing with people who disagree with them very often, because, you know, the podcaster

01:06:12.820 and I'm forgetting his last name.

01:06:14.560 Can you remind me, Megan?

01:06:15.560 Philip Dwarf.

01:06:17.380 I forget his name right now.

01:06:19.180 Phil Dwarfman.

01:06:19.840 Gnome Dwarfman. 0.92

01:06:20.860 Oh, Gnome Dwarfman. 0.55

01:06:21.780 Excuse me.

01:06:22.800 And I'm sorry, Gnome.

01:06:24.500 And I love the Comedy Cellar.

01:06:26.420 I've had some great nights there very recently, in fact.

01:06:29.420 But it does go to show that, like, his views are not really outside of the mainstream.

01:06:37.180 They're just out of the mainstream of our mainstream media.

01:06:40.440 And they're not really used to debating and confronting those sorts of views.

01:06:45.860 And these sorts of arguments don't really take place on cable anymore, where Fox News

01:06:52.060 is a right-wing echo chamber and CNN and MSNBC are left-wing echo chambers.

01:06:56.920 And that's sort of too bad for society as a whole.

01:06:59.920 No, it's true.

01:07:01.020 I mean, there's, we, you know, the ridiculous double standard that the media adheres to has

01:07:06.200 been ever-present over the past few days, because not just, you know, here, as you point

01:07:11.180 out, the Trump coverage versus the total disinterest in Joe Biden and Hunter Biden's corruption.

01:07:15.760 But with respect to the Mitch McConnell thing, they're very alarmed about Mitch McConnell

01:07:19.680 and the freeze up on camera now that it's happened twice in, what, six weeks.

01:07:23.540 Really not so much when it comes to Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, John Fetterman.

01:07:30.260 Absolutely not.

01:07:31.120 Like, I like Mitch McConnell.

01:07:33.060 I know a lot of Republicans don't.

01:07:34.420 I really respect him and what he's done for the country.

01:07:37.980 But I see the need for him to be much more transparent about what's happened to him and

01:07:44.460 probably to step down.

01:07:45.720 I do.

01:07:46.560 I see it.

01:07:47.040 It's obvious.

01:07:47.880 He doesn't seem like he is well anymore.

01:07:49.540 But I also feel like you first, he's I he's not going anywhere until Dianne Feinstein's

01:07:57.060 out, period.

01:07:58.540 That's how I feel.

01:07:59.460 Get her out. 1.00

01:08:00.820 She's literally almost dead.

01:08:03.640 She cannot function anymore.

01:08:05.060 Why should he go?

01:08:05.880 He's at least on his own two feet.

01:08:07.660 He's still lucid and able to communicate in the moments where he's not frozen.

01:08:11.220 Can you say the same for her?

01:08:12.360 Why should why should the Republicans lose their leader while she's sitting there? 0.99

01:08:15.940 Right.

01:08:16.700 But the media, they're very, very concerned about McConnell in a way that was discovered,

01:08:23.160 discussed as ableism back to our earlier discussion when it was raised about John

01:08:28.060 Fetterman.

01:08:29.020 This is from Eliana's publication, The Washington Free Beacon.

01:08:33.600 Look at this comparison.

01:08:34.620 So.

01:08:36.160 Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell appeared to freeze again during a Q&A with reporters.

01:08:40.380 It's all raising additional questions about the fitness of the 81 year old to lead Senate

01:08:44.740 Republicans.

01:08:45.300 I don't know.

01:08:46.200 It just seems like he's pushing himself in a way that might be problematic.

01:08:50.200 I don't want to be rude about it, but that's not somebody who just feels lightheaded.

01:08:55.180 Senator John Fetterman, his inspiring message for people who are simply too scared to ask

01:09:00.620 for help.

01:09:01.180 The president has found him to be an impressive individual.

01:09:04.940 Fetterman's cognitive abilities have not been compromised.

01:09:08.180 We have a man who was brave enough to talk about this.

01:09:14.020 There was such intense scrutiny, often ableist scrutiny.

01:09:19.240 Eliana, that's amazing.

01:09:21.040 It's amazing.

01:09:22.140 Credit to our team who put that wonderful video together.

01:09:24.880 And and of course, it's true.

01:09:27.920 McConnell's health woes have gotten so much more attention than those of Joe Biden, whose

01:09:34.960 obvious cognitive impairments.

01:09:37.640 Because he's the only person the Democrats are confident could beat Trump, have not gotten

01:09:42.240 the same level of scrutiny.

01:09:43.820 And John Fetterman is really the best counterexample.

01:09:47.780 The guy can't really talk.

01:09:49.980 And not only is he not scrutinized, but he's been celebrated and held up as an example to

01:09:54.860 emulate for his persistence and bravery in not dropping out of that Pennsylvania Senate

01:10:01.020 race.

01:10:02.560 You know, I will I will wait for the day when Mitch McConnell's persistence and bravery is

01:10:09.480 celebrated by the Capitol Hill press corps.

01:10:12.660 And I will say The New York Times has done some wonderful stories on Dianne Feinstein and

01:10:16.920 her ailments and her inability to carry out the duties of the job.

01:10:23.500 That being said, she's been non-compass mentis for the better part of, you know, five to

01:10:31.200 10 years.

01:10:32.140 And we're just seeing that coverage, you know, after she turned 90.

01:10:35.840 So there's certainly more scrutiny on Republicans.

01:10:39.940 And it's because McConnell holds such an important position in the party.

01:10:44.260 This would really hurt Republicans were he to step down in the middle of an election season.

01:10:48.740 Why should they sacrifice their guy?

01:10:50.960 Right.

01:10:51.300 And for the Republican haters of McConnell, look at the Supreme Court.

01:10:56.460 You know, if there's one person, I think, aside from Donald Trump, who gets credit for

01:11:01.440 a majority conservative Supreme Court, it is Mitch McConnell for holding out and refusing

01:11:06.460 to nominate Merrick Garland.

01:11:07.840 And I think if you look at the way the Department of Justice has been run under Joe Biden, you

01:11:12.340 can thank Mitch McConnell that he is not on the Supreme Court.

01:11:15.060 And instead, there's Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett instead of Merrick Garland.

01:11:19.840 We would have Justice Merrick Garland if it weren't for Mitch McConnell.

01:11:24.000 I think the reason people don't like him is because he's on the wrong side of Trump.

01:11:27.100 So the Trump fans instinctively are.

01:11:28.960 We hate him.

01:11:29.480 I guess we hate Mitch McConnell now.

01:11:30.780 What are you saying?

01:11:31.860 Look into what he's done.

01:11:33.220 Judicial appointments alone.

01:11:35.260 The guy's been absolutely critical in getting these more conservative jurists on the federal

01:11:40.400 bench at the at the trial court level, at the appellate court level and at the Supreme

01:11:43.580 Court level.

01:11:44.180 You have him to thank, along with Trump, when they were getting along for there not being

01:11:49.200 a Justice Merrick Garland.

01:11:50.140 Anyway, I just look at this and I again, I say, good, as soon as she goes, as soon as

01:11:56.960 Fetterman goes, McConnell can go.

01:11:58.540 That's it.

01:11:59.160 That's fair.

01:11:59.700 Sure.

01:12:00.300 Your guys have had severe problems for a lot longer than Mitch McConnell had two freezing

01:12:04.760 episodes, a lot longer.

01:12:06.300 Not to mention the sitting president of the United States, Emily, which we are told over

01:12:12.780 and over we're not allowed to discuss or we're ableists and ageists.

01:12:17.640 And I was just going to pick up on that exact point, because when Eliana said that one of

01:12:22.640 the reasons here is that Mitch McConnell is very powerful, that we're really like the reason

01:12:27.300 for for some of the glee among media and Democrats right now is because Mitch McConnell is important

01:12:33.340 to the Republican Party.

01:12:34.280 That is exactly why they kept a lid on what was happening with Dianne Feinstein for a very

01:12:39.340 long time.

01:12:39.920 And the same thing that happened in the 2020 election with Joe Biden.

01:12:42.600 So it is true that you've seen more and more media stories start to come out about Feinstein

01:12:47.080 and Biden.

01:12:48.060 But oh, my gosh, did they have to become nearly dead to your point, Megan, for the media to

01:12:53.420 even bat an eye and say, hey, maybe there's a problem here because it was abundantly clear

01:12:58.180 in 2020 that Joe Biden was having problems.

01:13:00.120 And when the first Dianne Feinstein story dropped that maybe she wasn't able, cognizantly able

01:13:04.820 to do her job anymore, it was a huge deal in Washington, D.C.

01:13:08.080 It was like the seal had finally been broken.

01:13:10.260 Everyone can start talking about this thing that's been under wraps for years and years.

01:13:14.320 Why is that?

01:13:15.060 Because those two are important to the Democratic Party.

01:13:18.580 And this is why double standards are dangerous.

01:13:20.740 It's the media is just playing games with things that are actually fired, that are actually

01:13:24.440 really serious to people's lives because you can't make you that you can't make the case

01:13:29.160 that Mitch McConnell should step down while not making that case about Biden or Feinstein. 0.96

01:13:33.240 It's just ridiculous.

01:13:34.520 You can't make the case that Hunter or that Jared Kushner shouldn't be doing what he did 0.81

01:13:38.260 with Saudi Arabia when you won't say the same thing about Hunter Biden.

01:13:41.040 It is actually like having a seriously deleterious effect on the country, on the way we govern,

01:13:46.420 on the way that we're providing aid to Ukraine.

01:13:48.680 Biden doesn't have a leg to stand on because he has no credibility in this issue.

01:13:51.820 And he's the one overseeing all of the aid going to Ukraine.

01:13:54.900 So these things are serious and have consequences.

01:13:56.860 It's not just like all fun and games like the media thinks of this.

01:14:00.760 She didn't remember how to vote, Dianne Feinstein.

01:14:04.740 She forgot how to vote.

01:14:07.060 She forgot that she had been out of the Senate for three months.

01:14:12.220 She tried to tell a reporter she had, in fact, been there.

01:14:15.820 It's time.

01:14:16.820 I mean, like, it's just why are we even engaging in this nonsense?

01:14:19.600 It's yours first, yours first.

01:14:22.300 And then the Republicans can clean up their house. 0.99

01:14:24.000 I don't blame them for standing for now behind McConnell.

01:14:27.700 Just FYI, the latest via New York Post this morning, a congressional doctor says there's

01:14:33.420 no evidence McConnell has a seizure disorder or suffered a mini stroke after two troubling

01:14:37.580 recent public freeze ups.

01:14:39.100 The Capitol attending physician conducted an exam and says he did cast doubt on some of the

01:14:44.380 medical theories circulating online about McConnell's condition, but he did not publicly

01:14:47.840 provide an explanation for the episodes. 0.99

01:14:50.540 That's bullshit, too. 0.97

01:14:51.600 We deserve an explanation. 1.00

01:14:53.040 He's not like this isn't his little private fiefdom.

01:14:55.660 It's our it's our fiefdom.

01:14:57.480 We're his bosses and we deserve to know.

01:14:59.940 So there's that.

01:15:00.980 OK.

01:15:01.480 Speaking of no credibility, Karine Jean-Pierre, there's no problem whatsoever at the at the

01:15:06.660 border, the border and Joe Biden's done more to secure it than anyone else.

01:15:14.340 That actually happened.

01:15:15.860 I know it's overused.

01:15:17.400 It's primo gaslighting.

01:15:19.240 We've got to play it.

01:15:20.280 Here it is.

01:15:21.880 The president has done more to secure the border and to deal with this issue of immigration

01:15:26.300 than anybody else.

01:15:27.580 He really has.

01:15:28.540 June saw the single largest month to month drop in lawful, unlawful border crossing because

01:15:33.460 of the policies this president put in place.

01:15:35.300 I I can't like.

01:15:38.980 I don't I think we should just laugh.

01:15:40.820 Should we just do the LOL?

01:15:42.320 I don't like what's the proper response to that, Emily?

01:15:45.740 I cringe up here should go to the border.

01:15:47.160 I mean, the proper response would just be to have a just just go through a line of migrants 1.00

01:15:52.680 at the border and ask them if Joe Biden is part of the if Joe Biden's policies, they

01:15:57.460 might not name Joe Biden by name.

01:15:58.860 Some of them will actually talk to them.

01:16:00.960 And if you go down that line, they will tell you the policies of the Biden administration

01:16:05.300 the policies of the United States government right now that have pushed them up into these

01:16:09.620 really dangerous circumstances, camping under under bridges.

01:16:12.900 You know, we're dealing with cartels, which almost every single one of them does.

01:16:16.760 Almost every single one of them pays a cartel to come up there. 0.70

01:16:19.020 That's why it does get so violent.

01:16:20.860 And that's why it gets so violent when they cross the river sometimes, because it these

01:16:24.900 cartel members are literally shepherding them through the water.

01:16:28.220 If you talk to migrants themselves, if Karine Jean-Pierre actually went over to Mexico and

01:16:32.940 or went to a shelter that wasn't cleaned up or sanitized, I think when when Joe Biden went

01:16:38.500 to where did he go?

01:16:40.120 He went to Texas earlier this year and didn't talk to any migrants.

01:16:44.380 I mean, if you talk to them, they will tell you right away.

01:16:46.280 Oh, yeah, we're up here in these violent, chaotic, dangerous circumstances because of the

01:16:50.420 policies of the United States government that helped them from point A to point B.

01:16:55.200 And then while they're at point B, they helped them.

01:16:57.720 So if you if you talk to the migrants themselves, if Jamie Dimon, who's been complaining about

01:17:02.440 this to his credit in New York City, because it's become very visible in New York City recently,

01:17:06.140 if you went and talked to migrants, they would tell you right away exactly why they're in 1.00

01:17:10.720 New York City, exactly why they came up to the Darien Gap and through Central America.

01:17:15.340 They would say it's because of these policies and the Biden administration.

01:17:19.040 Those policies, to be clear, are that he has basically done like a magic trick where he's

01:17:23.920 allowed people through the CBP one app that he did, his administration debuted to sign

01:17:28.700 up for asylum hearings and then they can disappear into basically sanctuary cities, never show

01:17:34.980 up for those hearings.

01:17:35.800 So he's funneled them through the, quote unquote, legal channels that are really extra legal,

01:17:41.100 extra judicial in ways that make the illegal numbers look lower because they're he's just

01:17:47.260 letting in more people, quote unquote, legally.

01:17:49.380 Well, they did for a minute.

01:17:51.380 They did for a minute when when we knew that the title 42 covid restrictions were going to

01:17:55.140 expire because there was no more pandemic.

01:17:57.380 We recognized that there was probably going to be a surge across the borders because that

01:18:00.620 allowed us to turn people away seeking asylum.

01:18:03.060 No questions asked.

01:18:03.820 Like, we're not even going to entertain this.

01:18:05.200 Then it was lifted at the end of May.

01:18:07.160 And in anticipation of that, he implemented this new program you talk about with the app saying,

01:18:11.720 OK, I got to do something to stem this tide because even my Democrat governors and mayors

01:18:16.080 across the country are starting to get mad at me.

01:18:18.340 And it worked a little bit in June, a little bit.

01:18:21.460 People were like, oh, maybe we can do it legally.

01:18:23.200 Maybe we'll use the app.

01:18:24.240 And then by July, which is the other piece of the story that Karine Jean-Pierre totally

01:18:29.460 ignores, the numbers had surged again back to record numbers.

01:18:33.900 So while she's correct that it dropped in June, the number of illegal border crossings,

01:18:39.320 it surged again in July, in August.

01:18:43.200 Here we are in September, again on record pace.

01:18:46.540 Fox's Bill Malugian, who's been doing a great, great job covering the border, tweeted this

01:18:50.640 out, that she ignores the new and recent surging numbers.

01:18:53.320 Border patrol apprehensions in June, some 99,000 in July, 132,000 in August, 177,000.

01:19:04.240 That wasn't mentioned in Karine Jean-Pierre's dishonest statement.

01:19:09.100 Let me hear it again.

01:19:09.960 Listen to her again, listen to her lie, her misleading on an issue that's affecting millions

01:19:15.900 of Americans.

01:19:17.080 Listen.

01:19:18.320 The president has done more to secure the border and to deal with this issue of immigration

01:19:22.280 than anybody else.

01:19:23.580 He really has.

01:19:24.740 June saw the single largest month to month drop in lawful, unlawful border crossing because

01:19:29.440 of the policies this president put in place.

01:19:32.740 It's breathtaking dishonesty, Eliana.

01:19:35.020 Well, what's so interesting about this, and by the way, August saw an enormous spike in

01:19:40.620 the number of families coming across the border, but what's interesting is that this is not

01:19:45.180 so much a fight between Republicans and Democrats right now as among Democrats themselves.

01:19:50.560 You have state and city officials who are at the president's throat about the number of

01:19:55.160 migrants that they are being forced to house in their cities.

01:19:58.360 And it's the relations between Biden and prominent Democrats in New York and in California and

01:20:06.560 in many other places around the country.

01:20:08.900 Democrats who have said, we welcome all people.

01:20:11.800 And during the Trump administration, we're able to virtue signal about this because there

01:20:15.600 were not migrants pouring over the border are now at loggerheads with the Biden administration

01:20:21.440 because the people in their states don't want migrants put up in hotels, in conference

01:20:28.780 centers, and all over their states.

01:20:31.300 And it's causing political problems for their city and state officials who are now looking

01:20:35.040 to the Biden administration to do something.

01:20:37.660 So this is a problem for Biden within his own party that he's going to need to solve, though

01:20:44.760 I don't have high hopes for the administration cracking down.

01:20:48.620 Well, I'm not fooling anybody, this nonsense from Corrine Jean-Pierre.

01:20:52.440 They know they're suffering from the consequences of this, just like the southern border states

01:20:56.540 are, thanks to Governor Greg Abbott, thanks to Governor DeSantis.

01:21:00.100 By the way, something funny.

01:21:01.040 I don't know if you're noticing it, but there's like a one second of delay between me and Eliana.

01:21:05.220 So every time I ask you a question, I'm afraid I've made you mad.

01:21:08.780 Like, there's like a long pause.

01:21:10.360 I'm like, oh, she doesn't like that question.

01:21:13.940 Then you answer it normally.

01:21:16.020 I'm like, oh, phew.

01:21:16.880 So she's like Mike Pence, the debates, you know, he just like did these long dramatic

01:21:21.900 causes.

01:21:22.580 That's what Eliana was channeling.

01:21:23.760 Right.

01:21:24.080 I'm like, oh, God, she didn't like that one either.

01:21:26.000 I got to do better.

01:21:27.280 OK, wait, let's talk about before we go to break.

01:21:29.600 I want to talk about Governor Murphy of New Jersey, because nobody better embodies this

01:21:33.120 problem you just outlined than he does.

01:21:36.260 But this is we're going to play him.

01:21:37.560 But we could do this with the New York governor.

01:21:39.360 We could do this in California and L.A.

01:21:41.680 We talked about the L.A.

01:21:42.500 mayor back there.

01:21:43.160 All these places that only recently in L.A.'s case voted to become sanctuary cities or in

01:21:48.560 New Jersey's case voted to become sanctuary states.

01:21:51.260 New York, same.

01:21:52.160 New York City, same.

01:21:53.360 Now we're having a change of heart.

01:21:54.900 Of course.

01:21:55.900 Now that they're having to deal with the actual consequences, thanks to these busloads of

01:21:59.320 migrants that are being shipped north.

01:22:01.020 They see it very differently.

01:22:02.840 Listen to New Jersey's governor during the gubernatorial debate when he ran for office

01:22:06.600 back in 2017, sounding a very different tune than the one he's sounding today, SOT 14.

01:22:14.080 Dreamers, we've got 22,000 of them are every bit as American as my four kids.

01:22:18.660 This is a moral test, black and white.

01:22:21.620 So this is Mr. President, not in the state of New Jersey.

01:22:25.220 We will stand up to this president.

01:22:26.620 If need be, we'll be a sanctuary, not just city, but state.

01:22:32.080 OK, the first word there was dreamers, dreamers.

01:22:34.980 We got 22,000 of them.

01:22:36.160 Every bit as American as my four kids. 0.77

01:22:37.740 It's a moral test, black and white.

01:22:39.620 And in New Jersey, we're going to be a sanctuary state.

01:22:42.560 Good for you.

01:22:43.420 You're so you're amazing.

01:22:45.020 You're pro-immigrant.

01:22:46.120 You're definitely not a bigot like all the people who have questions about this.

01:22:49.580 Oh, wait, record scratch.

01:22:51.480 Here he is on Thursday of last week.

01:22:54.600 I don't see any scenario, Eric, where we're going to be able to take in a program in Atlantic City or, frankly, elsewhere in the state.

01:23:05.960 We are already seeing folks in New Jersey that have probably swelled in New Jersey from New York City or from other locations.

01:23:13.320 But you need scale, enormous amount of federal support, resources that go beyond anything that we can afford.

01:23:21.740 Putting everything else aside, I just don't see it.

01:23:24.880 And I would suspect that that will continue to be the case.

01:23:29.260 Phil, Phil, what happened?

01:23:31.300 Phil, I thought it was a moral issue, black and white. 0.62

01:23:34.660 Emily, what happened?

01:23:35.820 I mean, it is a moral issue, black and white. 0.69

01:23:38.380 And that's what's so infuriating about all of this, that sanctuary cities are not pro.

01:23:43.180 They think they're pro-immigrant.

01:23:44.240 They're actually anti-immigrant because sanctuary cities are a giant handout to cartels.

01:23:48.500 I went to Mexico last year to actually talk to migrants themselves.

01:23:51.480 And it's the same thing over and over again.

01:23:53.560 They know that they can come to the United States.

01:23:55.240 And it's actually similar to what was happening.

01:23:56.780 What's happening with the CBP1 app is similar to what was happening with Title 42, which is that Eliana points out families coming to the border.

01:24:03.200 You have patchwork policies in different places of Texas, Arizona, California, different things being imposed in different places or being enforced in different places.

01:24:13.940 And in general, people found out with the CBP1 app, as they did with Title 42, that there are all kinds of exceptions being made because it's so overwhelming.

01:24:21.960 So you go up, you turn yourself in, and then you know that if you can make it to New York and if you can make it to New Jersey, if you can make it to San Francisco,

01:24:31.960 then you can survive in the United States without possibly ever showing up in an asylum hearing.

01:24:37.740 You can make money, send it back in the form of remittances, which are a huge part of the Central American and Mexican economies.

01:24:43.500 Huge, huge parts of it.

01:24:44.600 So there's a lot on the line for these places.

01:24:46.920 There's a lot on the line for cartels.

01:24:48.400 They could camp out in these sanctuary cities and send the money back home and then just leave before their asylum hearing, having made a bunch of money to sort of stabilize their lives back there.

01:24:57.540 Or they could just continue to stay and hope that they're protected by these sanctuary cities legally, which they are.

01:25:04.200 And the left loves to virtue signal.

01:25:06.560 You see that.

01:25:07.380 It's just so disgusting when you're looking and you can remember the eyes of a little girl from Venezuela or Nicaragua who was kidnapped by a cartel because their parents had to pay the cartel money to get up there.

01:25:19.240 And they were planning to get into the United States and have freedom.

01:25:22.920 And they sacrificed so much they'll be scarred for it by life because of these allegedly pro-immigrant policies.

01:25:28.520 That is, it's just a game for Democrats to virtue signal on them.

01:25:31.520 Not to mention all these children who are in classrooms in places like New York City right now, Eliana, American children who now have twice the number of children in their class, half of whom don't speak any English whatsoever, who are being told the kids are.

01:25:44.460 They have to go to school with these kids.

01:25:45.860 They have to somehow find Spanish language speaking teachers to come in and supply.

01:25:50.060 They're already struggling post-pandemic to learn.

01:25:52.560 Now they've got to deal with this.

01:25:53.720 We've had 100,000 immigrants, migrants come into New York in the past year alone.

01:25:57.860 Now the mayor of New York is warring with the governor of New York because everybody wants more money to deal with this problem.

01:26:04.380 They're trying to ship them off to New Jersey.

01:26:06.380 You heard the governor there saying, we're not taking them.

01:26:08.900 They're looking at the federal government, Joe Biden saying, help us out.

01:26:11.800 And the solution, of course, because they're Democrats, is help us make it easier for them to get work permits. 0.83

01:26:18.620 Some 60,000 of them are of adult working age, Eliana, and they're the Democrat mayor of New York and the Democrat governor of New York want to waive the requirement that doesn't allow migrants like this who are here illegally and haven't applied for asylum, haven't gone through the process.

01:26:32.620 They can't get visas to work.

01:26:34.460 They can't get green cards to work.

01:26:35.540 They can't get the permission to work.

01:26:37.080 And now they're saying that's a solution.

01:26:39.080 They need to be able to work.

01:26:40.080 Sure, that'll, number one, send them home.

01:26:43.740 And number two, definitely that's going to discourage other people just like them from flooding across the southern border.

01:26:50.500 We've made it easier for you to get.

01:26:52.260 We're going to put you on a bus.

01:26:53.200 We're going to drive you up to New York or San Fran, L.A., wherever you are.

01:26:56.460 Martha's Vineyard is awesome.

01:26:57.980 You're going to love your.

01:26:58.720 And then we're going to get you a job.

01:27:01.040 And that's going to do a lot for American wages, too.

01:27:03.300 Yeah.

01:27:04.240 Yeah.

01:27:04.680 So that's the solution.

01:27:06.260 Right.

01:27:06.480 I mean, the reason that we're in this problem, which became a problem when Biden was inaugurated and on his first day in office, first of all, he campaigned on reversing Trump immigration policies that he called inhumane and said that on day one in office, he was going to begin dismantling those.

01:27:23.360 And on January 20th, 2021, he did start dismantling those.

01:27:27.240 And those amounted to, and analysts across the political spectrum have said this, a green light to migrants on the other side of the border, that they were going to be treated very differently than they were in the Trump administration.

01:27:38.640 And as a result, we've seen huge increases in the number of migrants across the southern border.

01:27:43.320 And I think until until the president of the United States signals that there's going to be a change in policy and a move back towards the Trump administration's policy and make it clear that migrants, that these migrants are not welcome and that there's going to be more strict treatment akin to the policies of the Trump administration, we're not going to see any kind of downturn.

01:28:07.820 Certainly, doling out work permits is not the solution to this.

01:28:13.320 No, he has no solution.

01:28:15.420 And thankfully, you know, Greg Abbott's plan is working.

01:28:18.400 It was the most ingenious approach to this issue.

01:28:21.740 It's just going to take a little bit more time because at some point the Biden administration won't be able to take the heat.

01:28:26.440 It's the Democrats putting it on.

01:28:28.340 And that's one thing tough for him to ignore.

01:28:30.600 All right, stand by more with the EJs after this quick, quick break.

01:28:36.240 All right, this is like one of my favorite stories the audience knows, and there's an unbelievable update in it. 0.77

01:28:41.020 The Canadian shop teacher with the ginormous fake breasts with the fake nipple prosthetics at the end. 0.90

01:28:48.700 We knew this. 0.92

01:28:49.640 We reported this to you last week, had been hired to go to another school.

01:28:53.800 This after this person has been claiming that it's a man.

01:28:57.580 I mean, it is a man, but claiming that he's intersex and that those breasts are real. 0.84

01:29:03.260 That's what he told the New York Post.

01:29:05.820 Yes, he said that these are real.

01:29:10.180 He sat in front of the mirror and said, I must, I must, I must increase my bust.

01:29:14.920 And he got these enormous.

01:29:17.200 No, that's not.

01:29:18.480 They look like two watermelons with two lemons at the end.

01:29:21.620 He said he has some condition called gynomastia that makes the breasts just.

01:29:26.100 That makes Pamela Anderson look flat chested. 1.00

01:29:30.980 Lies, lies, damn lies. 1.00

01:29:33.300 We showed last week the tape of Rebel News up in Canada getting the guy on camera without the breasts. 1.00

01:29:38.200 Hello, they're not real. 0.61

01:29:40.080 And notwithstanding all his blowback, his parents don't want some guy working out a sexual fetish on their kids in the classroom. 0.92

01:29:45.300 Never mind shop. 0.86

01:29:47.280 That's what he teaches.

01:29:48.740 They didn't fire him.

01:29:50.120 And he's just moving to another school.

01:29:51.760 That was the new, that was a report we did last week.

01:29:53.520 Well, guess what?

01:29:55.460 He showed up for the first day as a man and no breasts.

01:30:01.180 He's, he's, he's doing the new job.

01:30:04.560 It's a miracle, ladies.

01:30:06.420 The gynomastia has been solved. 0.89

01:30:09.380 The breasts are gone. 0.98

01:30:11.180 So are the enormous nipples. 0.97

01:30:13.560 So is the weird wig. 0.99

01:30:15.320 And I've got to tell you, if I were a parent in the new school, I would still, and maybe even more so, be jumping up and down saying, get him the hell out. 0.50

01:30:29.880 It's an admission that it was a sexual fetish before. 0.97

01:30:33.580 The guy is very sick, Emily, and yet has ongoing access to children and no one's doing anything about it. 0.79

01:30:43.320 Incredible progress, level of progress to go from one to the other.

01:30:47.360 That's, that is just simply amazing.

01:30:48.880 But you're right, Megan.

01:30:49.600 This is a sickness, obviously, obviously, obviously a sickness, and it reflects a sickness in our society that everyone couldn't come out and comfortably say this person belongs nowhere around children until, just for saying those boobs are real alone. 0.98

01:31:04.280 This person belongs nowhere near children because that's a level of delusion that exists, that should exist and not exist in any professional, let alone like public atmosphere where they're getting taxpayer dollars or, you know, tuition dollars for their work for being around children because they're clearly out of touch with reality and have no business teaching other people to function in reality, serving as role models as teachers often do.

01:31:28.780 Now, I'm curious how this situation unfolds because today's the first day of school.

01:31:33.080 Is there going to be a turnaround where this person says, listen, I was in the throes of a deep mental illness, the humiliating level of public media attention to this, of backlash to this made me realize it.

01:31:46.840 And, you know, maybe this person will end up having a story, given what happened before.

01:31:51.100 I'm not super hopeful of that, but it is something that is going to happen to a whole lot of people who got sucked into this insanity over the last five years, doubled down on it.

01:32:00.060 And then 10 years from now, whatever, they'll look back and say, wow, the society really, really exacerbated my sickness.

01:32:06.700 They didn't help at all.

01:32:07.600 These social norms were destructive for me.

01:32:10.200 I cannot imagine.

01:32:11.320 I mean, today's the first day of school for a lot of kids out there, Eliana, including my own.

01:32:15.580 Can you imagine going in for a parent-teacher conference and seeing this guy?

01:32:19.400 And it's like, and, you know, a week ago, he's lying in the New York Post saying he had gynomastia and grew breasts that were larger than any woman's breasts in the history of womankind. 0.97

01:32:30.100 And he decided to show off big fake fake nipples at the end of them with his weird blonde wig. 0.99

01:32:34.880 Like, can you imagine having to sit across from this guy like, hey, where are your boobs? 1.00

01:32:38.620 What happened to your breasts, sir? 1.00

01:32:40.780 This is an outrage. 0.97

01:32:41.980 I don't think you want your kid's teacher in the New York Post for anything.

01:32:46.780 I got to say, this is probably on the milder side of what your kid's teacher could be in the New York Post for.

01:32:53.840 But speaking of things you didn't, rules you didn't think you'd have to, like, write down in the rulebook, you know, no enormous fake breastplates allowed for teachers in the schools.

01:33:06.940 I didn't see that one coming.

01:33:09.280 No enlarged nipples either. 0.65

01:33:10.360 That's also a no-go. 0.99

01:33:11.340 So, quickly, before we go, before we go, did you see Kanye West apparently getting a blowjob from his wife in Venice? 1.00

01:33:19.040 What the hell? 1.00

01:33:19.880 Those pictures are unbelievable. 0.93

01:33:21.260 Unbelievable.

01:33:21.680 And I should give credit to the Daily Mail who got the Kayla Lemieux as a man photos exclusively. 0.98

01:33:26.280 But what's the Kanye West, like, literally he's in one of those gondolas in Venice, very clearly getting a blowjob. 0.97

01:33:32.460 That's how it appears. 0.99

01:33:33.600 His pants are off.

01:33:34.920 And his wife, who seems to be some sort of a kidnap victim, she never looks happy.

01:33:40.180 She's always wearing the weirdest clothes.

01:33:42.060 Appears to be fellating him.

01:33:43.860 And this, I guess, passes as appropriate conduct.

01:33:46.880 I don't they're looking into him now.

01:33:48.060 The legal authorities, Emily.

01:33:49.040 What do you make of it?

01:33:50.100 Yeah.

01:33:50.280 I mean, they're going to have to.

01:33:51.180 It's also another sign that Kanye West clearly not doing so well, despite the fact that the whole world is kind of rooting for him.

01:33:57.100 He's obviously not well because these pictures are insane. 0.99

01:34:00.360 His full butt is exposed. 0.98

01:34:01.840 It's very obvious what's happening. 0.98

01:34:03.600 And frankly, I wish I hadn't clicked on them.

01:34:05.420 I know it was just like the continuation of his deterioration, Eliana.

01:34:10.300 But I have to say there's something that feels misogynistic about him and that wife who's constantly got her face blocked out, veiled.

01:34:19.060 She never looks happy.

01:34:20.800 What self-respecting woman would would go out in the nude clothes that she wears? 1.00

01:34:24.840 They're like, she's nude and then gets down on her knees in public and fellates.

01:34:28.240 I just something on something not OK is going on there.

01:34:33.460 All right.

01:34:34.060 I admit that I had not followed this story, but I thought he left Kim because she wasn't he didn't like her on Christian behavior.

01:34:42.660 Oh, that's right.

01:34:44.300 Yes, you're right.

01:34:46.980 She you know what? 1.00

01:34:48.000 She snapped right to it on that answer.

01:34:49.940 Look, she's like that. 0.99

01:34:50.840 I've got.

01:34:51.920 Well, I do follow the Kardashians, but I have not been following Kanye.

01:34:58.240 Kanye's spiral post anti-Semitic rant on Tucker Carlson.

01:35:02.580 I am looking at these pictures right now.

01:35:05.180 I don't know if we can trust you anymore.

01:35:07.540 Right.

01:35:09.160 So you think you know a person.

01:35:10.500 They're shocking.

01:35:11.500 They're disturbing.

01:35:12.640 And yeah, something needs to be done.

01:35:14.840 An intervention of some kind.

01:35:16.220 Ladies, thank you. 1.00

01:35:17.140 Great to see you.

01:35:20.660 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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01:35:28.240 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 05, 2023

Media Malpractice Covering Biden and Trump, and Embarrassing Immigration Spin, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 620

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