The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 976

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00:00:31.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:43.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.940 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy 2025.

00:00:49.140 We are back with our first live show of the year.

00:00:52.280 I've missed all of you over the past two weeks.

00:00:54.880 While I spent some quality time with my family, I hope you had some with yours as well.

00:01:00.640 We were in Montana skiing and it was awesome.

00:01:04.260 It was so snowy and I have to tell you, it reminded me of my childhood in Syracuse

00:01:09.100 where every morning you would wake up and look out the window and you'd say,

00:01:14.080 yep, snow again, still more snow.

00:01:16.760 It's been such a nice change from what we saw last year and I think the year before too

00:01:20.760 where it's just, it was nothing.

00:01:22.900 So it's just such a delight to be in the snow, to see those fat flakes falling and to have

00:01:28.540 the holidays, especially in that setting.

00:01:30.920 Absolutely loved it.

00:01:32.040 We did our costume nights.

00:01:34.040 You know, that's a big thing for me every year around the Christmas holiday where we do

00:01:38.600 a costume night.

00:01:39.260 I picked the theme and I surprised my family with their costumes and this year, actually

00:01:44.240 we'll put this up on the YouTube show.

00:01:46.900 The theme was Back to the Future and it was hilarious.

00:01:52.000 I made Doug George McFly.

00:01:53.940 You know, the geeky dad, it was amazing.

00:01:59.460 I was Jennifer, Marty McFly's girlfriend from the 80s and my son Yates was Marty.

00:02:04.980 My son Thatcher was Doc and my daughter Yardley was Lorraine, the 1950s version.

00:02:13.120 Anyway, it was great.

00:02:14.000 And then my brother-in-law Ken was Biff, which I got him a fake muscle shirt to wear, which

00:02:18.600 I don't think he appreciated.

00:02:19.840 But anyway, it's so important to get out and do things like that, right?

00:02:24.380 It just, it's so clarifying to spend time with your family away from work.

00:02:28.280 Even though I love my work, it's clarifying to spend time away from it.

00:02:32.140 And I have to say, it makes me feel, it makes me better at my job because when I come back,

00:02:36.840 though I admit I am currently slightly under the weather with a cold, no big deal.

00:02:42.080 I feel more clear headed because as the news events hit over the past couple of weeks,

00:02:48.000 you just have a better perspective on them when you're grounded, when you're with people

00:02:52.760 you love and who love you, when you are part of nature and better connected to it.

00:02:58.380 And you can kind of see, oh, this is worth fighting over. 0.99

00:03:00.800 Oh, this isn't, this is bullshit. 0.98

00:03:02.300 This isn't, that kind of thing. 0.99

00:03:04.680 Okay, so let's get to it.

00:03:05.940 We've got two of the best guests in the industry in America to bring you different perspectives

00:03:11.840 today.

00:03:12.120 We're going to kick it off in a minute with Ben Shapiro and then Glenn Greenwald comes up in

00:03:15.000 our second hour.

00:03:15.540 How about that for a we're back show?

00:03:19.100 We have got to cover this tragic terror attack, which killed 14 people in the early morning

00:03:25.660 hours after New Year's in New Orleans.

00:03:28.460 We're still learning more about the man who committed the act.

00:03:31.220 And then a couple hours after that, a Green Beret blew himself up in a Tesla cyber truck 1.00

00:03:36.800 outside of the Trump Hotel in Las Vegas.

00:03:39.380 A bizarre story that does not appear to be related to the terror attack across the country

00:03:45.580 in New Orleans, though at first people thought perhaps they were related.

00:03:50.440 Today, however, we have to start with the fact that it's January 6th and they are literally

00:03:55.100 treating it on the left like it is 9-11. 0.95

00:03:57.180 It is ridiculous. 0.69

00:03:59.620 I mean, it's got an actual function.

00:04:01.800 It's the day that the 2024 election will be officially certified.

00:04:04.760 But it is more importantly to the corporate media, the day that they will celebrate their

00:04:10.560 favorite anniversary to smear all Trump supporters and again to treat this day as though it does

00:04:18.100 live in infamy akin to that of 9-11 or Pearl Harbor.

00:04:22.660 We'll show you an example.

00:04:25.040 Joining me now for our very first show of 2025, we begin with Ben Shapiro, host of the Ben Shapiro

00:04:31.200 show on the Daily Wire.

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00:05:31.320 Ben, happy new year.

00:05:32.740 Great to see you.

00:05:34.060 Hey, you too.

00:05:34.980 Glad you're back from vacation.

00:05:36.960 Yeah, it's great to be back.

00:05:38.500 All right.

00:05:38.700 So, uh, the, the, I don't know, the panty ringing over January 6th and the reminder by President

00:05:47.500 Biden that this needs to stay top of mind in the memory of the American people cannot be

00:05:53.560 forgotten.

00:05:54.240 You know, it's so strange, Ben.

00:05:56.180 I don't, I don't remember anybody doing that about the BLM protests, what happened in Portland,

00:06:02.260 the 2,000 cops who were hurt in those riots, David Dorn, who was killed in St. Louis in June

00:06:08.660 of 20.

00:06:08.940 None of that, none of that has to be remembered.

00:06:11.800 Just Jay 6th, which, you know, the, the alleged police officer death toll, they continue to make

00:06:18.940 up since no police died on January 6th, but they talk about it truly as though it is akin to the

00:06:27.180 9-11 terror attacks.

00:06:28.160 What do you make of the, as I say, ringing that's going on?

00:06:32.800 Well, I mean, I think that they have to, because I think that what they've demonstrated over the

00:06:36.440 course of the last several years is their complete inability to govern or to be in any way aligned

00:06:40.900 with the agenda of the American people.

00:06:42.400 And so all they've had for years, and this is true going back to 2021, when Joe Biden gave that

00:06:47.100 awful address in Philadelphia, where he basically labeled everyone who is Republican, his political

00:06:51.360 enemy and an enemy of the Republic.

00:06:53.400 The only thing they can keep saying over and over is that Donald Trump is in fact an incipient 0.83

00:06:58.960 dictator and authoritarian.

00:07:00.380 None of it has the same ring after Trump won.

00:07:02.700 I mean, he won the popular vote and he won the Electoral College overwhelmingly.

00:07:06.060 And so the, the sort of idea that he attempted a coup and that we narrowly averted the rising 0.99

00:07:11.100 tyranny in the United States, it, it, that, that particular narrative was always stupid, 0.99

00:07:15.740 but, but it has died a horrible death at the hands of the American people who themselves 1.00

00:07:20.580 voted by a majority for Donald Trump in the last election.

00:07:24.020 And so it just, it brings super hollow this year.

00:07:26.920 It always was hollow, but it brings particularly hollow this year, given the fact that again,

00:07:30.760 Democrats didn't just lose the presidency.

00:07:32.560 They, they also lost control of the Senate.

00:07:34.860 They don't have control of the house.

00:07:36.720 And so what exactly is the thing that we are supposed to be commemorating on January 6th?

00:07:41.080 This is the idea that, that all Trump voters are akin to the small coterie of Trump supporters,

00:07:47.280 not even the small coterie of Trump supporters, generally small coterie of the people who are even

00:07:50.440 at the January 6th, stopped the steel rally, who then committed some criminal acts, which again,

00:07:55.120 that's a subset of people who are even at the sort of more riotous portion of the day.

00:08:00.840 I mean, it really is an incredible stretch for them.

00:08:02.840 The fact they can't let it go is again, a demonstration.

00:08:05.340 This is a party devoid of ideals.

00:08:06.880 It's a party devoid of ideas and it's a party devoid of any connection with the American people

00:08:10.820 whatsoever.

00:08:11.180 Like who, who really is spending today thinking about January 6th, 2021?

00:08:15.540 I know, no, it's, it's similar to how they've, they've run out of real examples of racism

00:08:22.240 everywhere.

00:08:22.680 So they have to make them up.

00:08:24.100 You know, they've run out of examples to make Trump supporters look horrible.

00:08:27.980 So they've got to exaggerate what happened on January 6th to make it into one of the riots

00:08:32.460 that they did that, you know, I just referenced in after BLM and after George Floyd, that they've

00:08:37.540 got to make it sound like the right, those are the rioters.

00:08:39.940 Those are the insurrectionists.

00:08:40.900 Those are the ones who are truly a problem.

00:08:42.380 I just went back because we've covered the 2000 cops who were hurt during the BLM riots

00:08:46.820 and David Dorn, who was shot and killed by looters in St. Louis, retired police officer.

00:08:53.860 Um, and the number was after BLM or after George Floyd with BLM protests, 8,700 protests, 574

00:09:00.780 at least that turned into riots with violence and criminality, violence in more than 62% of

00:09:09.220 the Portland, Oregon demonstrations.

00:09:11.820 More than 62% were violent.

00:09:14.440 Um, and where do those cops go to have somebody remember their traumatic brain injuries, um,

00:09:21.440 injuries to their face, to their femurs, to their bodies as Molotov cocktails were thrown

00:09:27.200 at them, as bricks were thrown at them, broken bones.

00:09:29.340 Where I don't think they're going to get an op-ed by the sitting president in the Washington

00:09:35.840 Post, like we got from Joe Biden today, what Americans should remember about them, about

00:09:43.060 those riots.

00:09:43.820 But what we hear from Biden today is that we must remember the wisdom of the adage that

00:09:47.840 any nation that forgets his past is doomed to repeat it.

00:09:51.820 Lamenting that in time, there will be Americans who didn't witness the January 6th riot firsthand.

00:09:58.440 But we'll learn about it from footage and testimony only. 0.96

00:10:02.420 This is ridiculous, Ben.

00:10:04.140 You and I both know that's how we talk about the Holocaust. 0.95

00:10:07.680 That is how we talk about 9-11 and things like that.

00:10:11.300 It's an absurdity.

00:10:12.520 It's an, it's a, it's a true absurdity.

00:10:14.220 And what makes it even more absurd is you mentioned all the cops who were injured during

00:10:17.480 the BLM riots, the cops that have been demonized since 2014 in this country, since really the,

00:10:22.800 the Ferguson riots of 2014.

00:10:25.300 The number of cops who have been destroyed as human beings, the number of cops who have

00:10:29.920 failed to do their jobs because they were afraid that if they did their jobs, they would

00:10:33.060 then be dragged through the court of public opinion in the ways that Democrats like to

00:10:36.960 do this sort of stuff.

00:10:38.080 That number of cops is incredibly high.

00:10:39.900 And the same week that Joe Biden is doing this routine, crying crocodile tears over January

00:10:44.780 6th.

00:10:45.140 And we must remember in the cost to the cops and all this, he gave a presidential medal

00:10:49.120 of freedom to George Soros, who's the number one funder of left-wing prosecutors who have

00:10:54.640 spent their entire careers trying to undermine the cops in every city in America and make

00:10:59.100 it easier for criminals to do their business.

00:11:00.920 This same president who just a few weeks ago, I mean, during the break, he had a very busy

00:11:03.740 break, Joe Biden.

00:11:04.480 This is the most alive he's been for years is just before he's leaving the presidency.

00:11:08.100 And now he's doing things like commuting the sentences of 37 out of 40 people on death

00:11:12.920 row, because only three of those murderers apparently deserve to die. 0.97

00:11:16.160 People who rape and murder little girls, they don't deserve to die. 1.00

00:11:18.420 Only the Tree of Life shooter and the and the black church shooter and the Boston bomber, 1.00

00:11:23.560 those people deserve to die. 1.00

00:11:24.460 The other 37 who committed atrocities, those people don't deserve to die, according to Joe 1.00

00:11:28.400 Biden.

00:11:28.880 I mean, he's letting it all hang out at this point.

00:11:31.180 And again, I think it underscores the reason why Joe Biden was so unpopular with the American

00:11:35.380 people, which was they kept trying to sell us the line that he was a kind hearted, decent

00:11:39.680 old man.

00:11:40.220 And he was never a kind hearted, decent old man.

00:11:42.140 He was just an old man.

00:11:43.220 He was never kind hearted.

00:11:44.460 He was never decent. 0.98

00:11:45.440 He was always corrupt. 0.99

00:11:46.540 He was always venal. 1.00

00:11:47.540 He was always bloviating.

00:11:48.980 None of his values ever meant anything at all.

00:11:51.700 And this attempt to sort of retcon his own history and retcon what the Democratic Party

00:11:56.240 has done over the course of the last few years into something benevolent is an utter failure.

00:12:01.940 It's a total failure.

00:12:02.660 And I can't imagine that there are many people who are reading that op-ed or hearing you read

00:12:06.600 it, Megan, who aren't rolling their eyes so hard they fall out of their head.

00:12:10.600 No, if you've been paying any attention to what's happened to the J6 protesters slash 1.00

00:12:15.200 rioters, and I make no excuse for those who actually committed violence against cops that

00:12:19.580 day, they should and have been punished.

00:12:22.140 But those who just wandered into the Capitol, well, there's so many who aimlessly wandered into

00:12:26.920 the Capitol thinking that they were allowed there or that at best they were committing a

00:12:31.040 minor trespass.

00:12:32.320 They have more than paid for that very egregious mistake, as it turns out, because the whole

00:12:38.040 world was watching and Biden wanted to make a political point.

00:12:41.140 His DOJ wanted to make a political point.

00:12:42.680 But to hear the media talk about this, this solemn anniversary, Ben, is to again, it reminds me of

00:12:51.500 9-11 having lived through 9-11.

00:12:53.140 This is what it brings up for me.

00:12:54.740 Here's an example.

00:12:56.960 Regaining power and reigniting fears in just hours, Congress will meet to certify President

00:13:01.940 elect Donald Trump's 2024 election win.

00:13:05.280 Happy Insurrection Day.

00:13:07.140 Insurrection Day when Republicans will certify the election of a president who is constitutionally

00:13:13.080 ineligible to serve in the office, according to the 14th Amendment, this final prostitution 1.00

00:13:18.820 of democracy.

00:13:19.940 We shouldn't get comfortable.

00:13:21.780 American democracy still faces, I would argue, an uncertain future.

00:13:26.620 The snow covers the Capitol.

00:13:29.140 There is this birth, this newness to winter, and there is this newness to this Congress.

00:13:34.340 But there is this storm cloud over the Capitol that makes you think about what happened four

00:13:39.560 years ago.

00:13:40.520 To remember what happened on January 6th is an act of remembrance in the purest form.

00:13:47.000 We want to avoid ever again having American democracy on the knife's edge.

00:13:53.100 On the knife's edge, on the knife's edge.

00:13:57.340 And then there's, I'll give you one more, Ben.

00:13:58.940 The AP today seems very upset that the Capitol was not left a mess so that we could go back

00:14:06.500 today, four years later, and look at the scars and lament how bad MAGA is and its return

00:14:12.240 to power, saying, in the lead line inside the Capitol, reminders of the violence are increasingly

00:14:17.580 hard to find.

00:14:18.900 Scars on the walls have been repaired.

00:14:22.080 Windows and doors broken by the rioters have been replaced.

00:14:25.980 And there is no plaque, display, or remembrance of any kind.

00:14:31.020 In some ways, it's like the insurrection of January 6th, 2021, that shook the foundations

00:14:35.160 of American democracy never even happened.

00:14:38.460 Shook the foundations of American democracy.

00:14:40.860 By the way, I love their respect for the property damage that may have numbered in the

00:14:44.840 tens of dollars at the Capitol building.

00:14:47.180 I mean, like, they did $2 billion in property damage during the BLM riots.

00:14:51.980 The enthusiasm for remembering January 6th is matched only by the enthusiasm of the media

00:14:56.200 and forgetting September 11th, actually.

00:14:58.060 Now, you're not allowed to show images of September 11th, lest we actually remember what

00:15:01.660 happened and who did it on September 11th.

00:15:04.440 The media have already moved on.

00:15:06.340 You mentioned earlier on that the New Orleans terror attack, the media are already very steadily

00:15:09.960 moving on from that one.

00:15:11.100 They really are not going to cover that one for very much longer because, of course, they

00:15:14.160 can't tie that into some sort of narrative about broader American white supremacy and

00:15:18.480 about domestic homegrown white terrorism or any of the rest of that sort of thing.

00:15:22.220 And so they're going to move right past that sort of thing.

00:15:24.660 But they definitely have to focus in on January 6th.

00:15:27.400 And the media, by the way, I'm not sure who took it on the chin harder this past year,

00:15:31.700 the Democratic Party or the media.

00:15:32.920 I mean, they're appendages of one another.

00:15:34.500 I've called them the human centipede because that's what they are.

00:15:36.520 But, you know, at this point, I'm not sure that has anyone that's the first time anyone

00:15:41.340 actually heard John Meacham saying that thing, Megan, was you playing it on your show because

00:15:45.900 no one is left to watch MSNBC.

00:15:48.200 No one actually has seen Keith Olbermann say that except on your show.

00:15:51.680 So congratulations, Keith Olbermann, for making your show, I suppose.

00:15:55.500 I'm sure he's thrilled.

00:15:57.780 The what they're doing in New Orleans is very interesting to me, and we've seen it done time

00:16:02.380 and time again.

00:16:02.840 They're much more interested in what happened out in Las Vegas because that guy was a Trump

00:16:07.560 supporter.

00:16:08.300 OK, great.

00:16:08.940 We're on to something.

00:16:09.660 Let's talk about Vegas. 0.79

00:16:10.740 This guy, he's a nutcase and he appears to be a right winger.

00:16:14.820 But the guy in New Orleans who's, you know, apparently affiliated with or pledges loyalty 0.95

00:16:21.620 to ISIS, it's time to move on.

00:16:24.040 That's really not that interesting, even though 14 people are dead in New Orleans as a result

00:16:28.200 of his behavior.

00:16:28.960 And you had this is while we were on break or I was on break.

00:16:32.980 But on January 1st, you had the FBI agent Althea Duncan, who's in charge of the Bureau's 0.83

00:16:38.320 New Orleans field office, come out, stopping short of even calling it a terrorist attack.

00:16:43.120 Here's that.

00:16:44.620 Patrick said we'll be taking over the investigative lead for this event.

00:16:50.460 This is not a terrorist event.

00:16:52.460 What it is right now is there improvised explosive devices that was found and we are working on

00:16:59.520 confirming if it's a viable device or not.

00:17:02.060 How is it not a terrorist attack? 0.82

00:17:06.060 The guy had an Islamic State flag affixed to his rented Ford pickup truck.

00:17:13.040 Later, the deputy assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division would say it

00:17:17.100 was 100 percent inspired by ISIS.

00:17:19.740 The 42 year old behind it, Shamsuddin Jabbar, who was a U.S. citizen from Texas and an army

00:17:25.400 vet, had apparently pledged his allegiance to ISIS via The New York Times.

00:17:31.640 So you tell me how it's not a terrorist attack.

00:17:35.840 I mean, once again, for the FBI, the immediate response, which is we know the motive and the

00:17:41.220 motive is uncomfortable.

00:17:42.600 So we're going to pretend that that's not really the motive or the motive is.

00:17:45.800 I mean, it was the least mysterious motive of all time.

00:17:47.920 He literally had an ISIS flag attached to the back of his Ford F-150.

00:17:52.480 He said, here's my motive on a giant flag that I don't even know where you get an ISIS

00:17:56.380 flag.

00:17:56.680 Can you buy that off Amazon?

00:17:57.480 In any case, this person had put out tapes of himself talking to his family about how

00:18:01.760 he joined ISIS.

00:18:02.900 And honestly, the reason why this should earn more media attention than the terrible case

00:18:07.360 of what happened in Las Vegas, which seems to be a member of the military who had his life

00:18:12.780 breaking down, seemed to have some mental problems.

00:18:14.760 The reason that this one is more noteworthy is because it is ideological in nature, not

00:18:19.100 only ideological in nature.

00:18:20.680 One of the stories that we reported at Daily Wire, actually, was that the local mosque was

00:18:25.200 being contacted by the FBI.

00:18:26.780 Members of that mosque were being contacted by the FBI, the mosque where this person attended,

00:18:31.420 the terrorist and the alleged terrorist.

00:18:33.440 And the mosque apparently put out a public message on their own Instagram saying, if you are contacted

00:18:39.560 by the FBI, you should contact the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

00:18:43.700 You should contact groups that are not the FBI, right?

00:18:45.900 Not cooperate with the FBI.

00:18:47.740 You should call the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which, by the way, was an unindicted

00:18:51.820 co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism trial in the 2000s.

00:18:55.700 The Council on American-Islamic Relations original foundation was by people who are closely

00:18:59.640 associated with Hamas.

00:19:00.840 Like, there are actual real systemic problems in the United States with radical Islam. 0.96

00:19:04.660 And that's something that people really don't want to talk about, which, of course, is the

00:19:08.640 same sort of thematic that you're seeing in the UK right now, right?

00:19:11.060 You're seeing this sort of break out into the open because Elon Musk is going after

00:19:14.420 Keir Starmer quite properly.

00:19:16.660 But I think that so much of what you're seeing in the West right now is revolt against the

00:19:21.200 assault on common sense that we've been seeing for legitimately decades here in the

00:19:25.360 West.

00:19:25.780 The revolt on common sense that says that, for example, mass migration without assimilation

00:19:29.180 is a wonderful idea.

00:19:30.720 The revolt on common sense that says that everyone should be forced to take a vaccine,

00:19:35.760 even if the vaccine is not totally vetted out yet.

00:19:38.720 The assault on common sense that says men can be women, women can be... 0.98

00:19:41.600 Like, what we're watching right now across the board is this revolt against that thing.

00:19:46.380 And it's happening everywhere.

00:19:47.180 It's happening in the UK.

00:19:48.000 It's happening in France.

00:19:48.700 It's happening in Germany.

00:19:49.540 It's already happened in Argentina.

00:19:50.820 It's happened in the United States already.

00:19:52.320 It's obviously happening up in Canada, where the Conservative Party, if the election were held

00:19:55.700 today, would absolutely wipe out the Liberal Party, where Justin Trudeau just resigned as the

00:20:00.140 head of the Liberal Party, if not Prime Minister today.

00:20:02.580 Again, something is happening.

00:20:04.220 And that thing is that people across the board in the West are tired of, to use your word,

00:20:09.240 being bullshitted. 0.68

00:20:10.160 And I think that now they're starting to fight back in a wide variety of ways, mostly politically.

00:20:15.160 I love everything you just said.

00:20:18.040 So much has gone down over the past couple of weeks and just today, as you point out, Trudeau,

00:20:22.280 which we'll get to.

00:20:22.860 But I was just sticking for a second on the FBI and its bungling messaging around what

00:20:28.320 happened in New Orleans, which was indeed a terrorist attack, says as follows at National

00:20:33.240 Review.

00:20:34.080 We are being tormented by the FBI's habitual, woke incoherence regarding this atrocity.

00:20:40.000 There should be no hesitancy.

00:20:41.540 This is maddening.

00:20:42.380 But in the FBI, as it has evolved since the Obama era, he says an acknowledgement by the

00:20:48.980 Bureau that an attacker may have been radicalized by fundamentalist Islam would implicitly concede

00:20:55.300 that there is something about that ideology that inspires violent attacks against infidels. 0.98

00:21:01.280 Can't have that.

00:21:03.240 They're not willing to go there.

00:21:05.760 And that, of course, explains why they're moving on immediately, the media as well, from

00:21:09.440 New Orleans.

00:21:10.020 But but let's talk about the UK, because this rape scandal of children at the hands of

00:21:18.640 immigrants that's been covered up, was covered up for years and years and years, allegedly 0.92

00:21:24.680 in part because they were concerned that the the rapists, the alleged rapists were Pakistani

00:21:30.740 and they didn't want to be seen as picking on immigrants or going against people of color

00:21:37.160 and accusing them of rape at the hands like at the expense of the well-being and safety

00:21:42.540 of children may be the most pernicious and disgusting example of this woke ideology and 0.63

00:21:50.020 this fear of upsetting or offending any person of color or any Muslim that I've seen in decades. 0.96

00:21:59.740 Ben, this that what's happening in the UK is a deep, disgusting scandal.

00:22:03.500 Well, what's amazing about it is that people are denying what it's about.

00:22:07.820 So if you actually look at the history of the scandal, this started to break out into

00:22:11.060 the open in a place called Rochdale in the UK back in 2003.

00:22:15.120 And that was because a 15 year old girl died when there was an investigation into why she

00:22:19.020 died.

00:22:19.200 It turns out that she had been one of the girls who was groomed by these gangs.

00:22:21.840 For folks who don't know the story, basically over the course of literally decades and there

00:22:25.620 are allegations of this going all the way back to the 1970s.

00:22:27.860 Basically, over the course of decades, white girls were preyed on by Muslim men in gangs. 0.99

00:22:33.220 They were rape gangs. 0.99

00:22:34.040 They're not grooming. 0.61

00:22:34.660 They treat them.

00:22:35.140 They call them grooming gangs.

00:22:36.120 They weren't grooming gangs.

00:22:37.040 They were rape gangs because these are all underage girls who are being traded around 1.00

00:22:40.720 by these Muslim rape gangs. 1.00

00:22:42.820 And that's what they are. 0.99

00:22:44.380 And the media knew full well about this back in 2003, 2004.

00:22:47.900 They knew completely about this.

00:22:49.180 The police knew about it.

00:22:50.680 They knew about all these cases.

00:22:52.000 These were already being brought up in Rochdale, in places like Rotherham, in places like

00:22:55.960 Oldham.

00:22:56.260 It was happening in a wide variety of cities.

00:22:58.240 And as it turns out, the police basically decided that because this would be politically

00:23:02.440 unhelpful, they were going to bury these cases.

00:23:04.600 And so they started blaming the girls, claiming it was the girls' own fault, that they had

00:23:07.440 quote unquote consented, even though obviously a 13, 14, 15-year-old girl can't consent.

00:23:11.820 Some of these girls got pregnant by their rapists, 13, 14, 15 years old, and the system totally 0.95

00:23:17.280 ignored them.

00:23:17.920 One of the journalists in this case, Andrew Norfolk, who reported for The Telegraph in 2010, he's

00:23:23.380 one who wrote this big cover story for The UK Telegraph, talking specifically about the

00:23:28.400 extent of the scandal in Rochdale.

00:23:30.780 He knew about the case.

00:23:31.620 He's admitted he knew about the cases back in 2003.

00:23:34.300 And the reason that he did not actually report those cases, and again, these are his words,

00:23:37.740 not mine, is he was afraid that it played into quote unquote right-wing narratives that

00:23:41.560 were going to talk about the difficulties of multiculturalism and the problems with importing

00:23:45.500 vast numbers of immigrants from Muslim countries who were not integrating into British national

00:23:50.600 life and not assimilating, they were afraid that the British national party, the right-wing

00:23:54.200 party, was going to start increasingly winning elections, that the English Defense League,

00:23:58.180 led by Tommy Robinson, was going to increase its popularity.

00:24:01.260 And so they literally just buried the story.

00:24:03.000 They said, for a decade, we are not going to even prosecute these cases.

00:24:06.640 And it took a full-scale decade, and more and more of these cases piling up, for there

00:24:10.360 to be any prosecutions at all.

00:24:11.660 The first prosecutions, I believe, happened in 2013.

00:24:14.320 That led to a government study that was finally released in 2014, finding that in Rotherham alone,

00:24:20.300 there were 1,400 girls who'd been preyed on in just that city, in just that city. 0.96

00:24:25.920 You're talking about thousands of girls who were raped, white girls who were raped by Muslim men. 0.99

00:24:30.480 And the reason it wasn't reported is because it was white girls and because it was Muslim men. 0.99

00:24:33.500 Now, again, that would be reported, and talk about reportorial malpractice.

00:24:37.540 Okay, so Keir Starmer was the head of the Crown Prosecution Service for a large part of this period,

00:24:41.980 from 2008 to 2013.

00:24:44.300 Keir Starmer, of course, is now the Prime Minister of Great Britain, is head of the Labour Party.

00:24:47.960 And there was a call for the Labour Party, as the head of the government, to now lead a national

00:24:51.840 investigation into these cases, and they denied it.

00:24:54.420 They said, we're not going to do it.

00:24:55.840 Now, to be fair, the Conservative Party had said the same thing.

00:24:58.300 They said, this is all regional.

00:24:59.320 The regional investigations should go on.

00:25:01.520 But Elon went after Keir Starmer for it, and deservedly so, because Keir Starmer has been

00:25:05.520 part of the system the entire time.

00:25:07.620 And I played tape on my show earlier today of Keir Starmer with the mayor of London, Sidi Khan,

00:25:13.320 talking about the real problems of the UK in 2024, which include a radical uptick since

00:25:17.560 October 7th in Islamophobia, and Sidi Khan, the mayor of London, asking Keir Starmer what could

00:25:23.080 be done to prosecute people who are actually engaged in Islamophobia, right?

00:25:27.000 This sort of conspiracy of silence.

00:25:28.820 This is the Christopher Hitchens thing, Ben.

00:25:30.600 This is the Christopher Hitchens prediction come to life, right?

00:25:33.600 Who was out there in, I think, 2009, saying, we have got to call out what's happening in

00:25:40.260 London and elsewhere with the infiltration of this ideology before it's too late.

00:25:44.960 And if we wait too long, all we're going to hear is, you're Islamophobic.

00:25:48.240 That's Islamophobia, as opposed to reckoning with the real facts, which is, this is not

00:25:53.420 just a religion.

00:25:54.360 This is an ideology that means to conquer.

00:25:57.840 That's exactly correct.

00:25:59.020 And all of Europe is reacting to this, but in ways that the political establishment doesn't

00:26:03.160 particularly like.

00:26:03.900 So in Germany, that means that the AFD, which is a very right-wing party that has always

00:26:07.880 been sort of called Nazi-esque, but the reason people oppose them is not because of their

00:26:11.940 original roots.

00:26:12.720 The reason they're opposed now is because they're anti-immigrant.

00:26:15.100 The AFD is picking up steam.

00:26:16.500 Obviously, Elon is lending some of his sort of loudspeaker to the AFD and Alice Weidel,

00:26:21.160 who's the head of the AFD.

00:26:22.020 You're seeing the same thing happen in France with Marine Le Pen's National Rally Party, which

00:26:25.760 has been gaining steam in every single election and keeps being blocked by the quote-unquote

00:26:29.700 centrist party of Emmanuel Macron.

00:26:31.040 You're seeing the same thing in Germany, by the way, where the CDU, which is the centrist

00:26:34.980 party, says we won't sit with the AFD.

00:26:36.980 Okay, guys, you keep trying to keep a lid on the biggest issue in Europe in generations,

00:26:41.780 and it will blow.

00:26:43.520 I mean, this idea that you can just tell the people to sit down and shut up and ignore

00:26:47.620 the fact that their countries are being overrun with people coming from places that hate the

00:26:53.500 country, that really hate the country and hate the civilization.

00:26:55.660 People are only going to take that for so long before it really starts to come out in support

00:27:01.240 for parties that are not within your deemed establishment purview.

00:27:04.720 That's exactly right, and we could see it happening.

00:27:08.940 I mean, when Angela Merkel was chancellor of Germany, she opened the borders.

00:27:14.820 There was a massive influx of immigrants who culturally were about as different from Germans 1.00

00:27:21.200 as you could get and shamed anybody who pushed back against it as an Islamophobe, as a xenophobe,

00:27:27.680 as a bigot, and now they're dealing with the real-life consequences of that.

00:27:31.500 Eventually, the people find their voices and say, well, I don't want this.

00:27:37.400 It's one thing, and by the way, we've had plenty of time since then to figure out whether these

00:27:40.900 people want to assimilate or not, right?

00:27:43.940 They want to pretend that every immigrant, whether it's Germany, Canada, the UK, France,

00:27:48.860 or the United States is akin to the Irish and Italians who came to America in the early 20th

00:27:57.420 century, that they just want a new life and that they're going to adopt the local culture

00:28:01.740 and, you know, it's melting pot.

00:28:04.080 It's not so, and you're seeing examples like what we saw in the UK, not to mention, look

00:28:09.160 at Ayaan Hirsi Ali, you know, she's obviously one of the greatest thinkers alive, warning in

00:28:14.960 her book Prey, P-R-E-Y, about what's happening to women and young girls in these European

00:28:19.500 countries as a result of these immigrants.

00:28:21.880 And one by one, these leaders are starting to fall, Ben.

00:28:25.720 I mean, you tell me whether it actually leads to a change in thinking on the left akin to

00:28:30.580 what we're seeing the left sort of wrestle with in the wake of the Trump victory.

00:28:35.080 I mean, either it will or they won't have any power anymore.

00:28:37.700 I mean, in the country that Ayaan came from, Gert Wilders is now leading the largest party,

00:28:42.220 right?

00:28:42.320 And Gert Wilders is a very right-wing anti-immigrant and anti-Islam leader in the Netherlands.

00:28:47.760 So again, these are the natural consequences.

00:28:49.640 She was originally from Zimbabwe, yeah, and then she went to Amsterdam and now is-

00:28:52.760 Was essentially exiled because they wouldn't give her immigration status because of her

00:28:55.920 perspective.

00:28:56.400 I mean, they essentially decided that she was a persona non grata because of her perspective

00:28:59.760 on immigration, being an ex-Muslim from Africa who had immigrated to the Netherlands.

00:29:04.600 I mean, Ayaan's story is sort of, you know, ahead of its time, but that is the reality

00:29:08.520 that is now besetting, I think, an enormous part of the West.

00:29:11.820 And, you know, again, reality is having its way here because reality always has its way.

00:29:17.360 And when it comes to immigration, I mean, so many things have changed about the way the

00:29:19.900 West does immigration. 0.58

00:29:20.640 So it used to be that because we didn't have a welfare system and because it actually was

00:29:24.720 a risk to come to places like the United States, you left everything behind, you came here 0.98

00:29:28.540 with nothing.

00:29:28.980 And then you were expected to assimilate and make your own way without a welfare system

00:29:32.640 to back you.

00:29:33.360 Because of that, America acted as a magnet to a bunch of different groups who usually

00:29:37.220 were sort of the most risk-seeking members of the Irish population or the Swedish.

00:29:40.860 Like we've had many waves of immigration in the United States, Irish, German, Italian,

00:29:45.340 Swedish, Jewish, Russian, a huge number of immigrants in the United States.

00:29:49.100 But once you change that system to make it so that you are neither expected to assimilate

00:29:53.420 or you're expected to earn, right?

00:29:55.240 You're not expected to do either of those things.

00:29:56.540 We have welfare systems that pick you up and you're not expected to assimilate, which is 0.89

00:29:59.800 the sort of immigration that the left apparently loves.

00:30:02.480 Well, yeah, I mean, the consequences are going to be pretty dire for any civilization that

00:30:06.240 attempts that particular two-step.

00:30:08.240 And those civilizational consequences have been quite dire and pretty terrible.

00:30:12.500 They were foreseeable and they were completely ignored as actual risks, as were all the risks

00:30:17.940 that were being raised by the right as we saw open borders take hold in country after

00:30:22.400 country during the time of Obama.

00:30:23.780 Um, what's happening up in Canada may or may not be part of the same wave.

00:30:30.620 I mean, there's so many problems with the way Justin Trudeau has run Canada.

00:30:33.580 It's hard to really pick the one, but as of today, Justin Trudeau says he will resign as

00:30:39.580 prime minister as soon as the liberal party elects a new leader.

00:30:44.200 He says his successor will be selected after a nationwide process, which means the liberal party

00:30:48.980 will take the lengthier route of choosing a new leader through a grassroots process could

00:30:53.220 take several weeks, means he could be in power for the first several weeks, even potentially

00:30:59.540 months of Trump's presidency and may have not have to navigate the imposition of tariffs and

00:31:04.520 so on.

00:31:04.920 But Justin Trudeau has turned himself into a punchline.

00:31:09.260 He is when I picture if feet feckless man, I picture Justin Trudeau.

00:31:16.480 I couldn't think of somebody less attractive to me as a woman than that man.

00:31:22.520 I can't stand the sight of him.

00:31:26.080 I'm thrilled our friendly neighbors in our evil top hat, as Michael Knowles calls Canada, 0.93

00:31:32.940 have come to their senses and effectively forced him to this decision.

00:31:37.060 So what do you make of it?

00:31:37.820 I mean, I think that obviously it's great.

00:31:40.880 I think that the person they're attempting to block from the prime ministership with all

00:31:43.880 of this is Pierre Polievre, who is phenomenal.

00:31:46.520 I mean, truly tremendous.

00:31:48.580 He's fantastic.

00:31:49.800 I mean, one of the things that you're seeing is this crop of new leaders all over the world,

00:31:53.460 ranging from Millet to Polievre in Canada, to Maloney in Italy, to Wilders in Netherlands.

00:32:00.220 You're seeing like a whole spate of new leaders come to fruition.

00:32:03.400 And that's really wonderful.

00:32:04.760 I mean, Trudeau going, again, he's hanging on through basically parliamentary maneuvering.

00:32:09.040 The way that it works in Canada is that in order for there to be a new election called

00:32:12.240 the SNAP election, you actually have to have a vote of no confidence.

00:32:14.920 Right now, there are 338 seats in the House of Commons in Canada.

00:32:19.040 The Liberal Party controls 153 of them, I believe.

00:32:22.400 So they have just short of a majority.

00:32:24.000 So they need some outside help from some of the other smaller parties.

00:32:26.460 The Conservatives only have 120 seats.

00:32:28.080 If the election were to be held today, the Conservatives would be expected to win an overwhelming

00:32:32.160 majority of seats in the House of Commons, something like 230 seats in the House of Commons.

00:32:36.600 And then Polievre would enter the government with a huge majority that requires no

00:32:40.960 coalitional help in order to govern.

00:32:43.460 And so that's basically everybody who's in the current coalition does not want the coalition

00:32:47.700 to fall because the minute that happens, then the election takes place.

00:32:50.780 Polievre wins.

00:32:51.500 He walks in with a vast conservative majority.

00:32:54.160 So the idea here is it's sort of like a Biden stepping down in favor of Harris idea here.

00:32:59.020 Basically, Trudeau is planning to step down in favor of a new liberal leader who will be

00:33:02.440 selected.

00:33:02.980 And that way, Polievre has to run against not Justin Trudeau, but against Randa McPhase

00:33:07.240 over here, who's going to be the new liberal leader.

00:33:08.860 I don't think it makes much of a difference.

00:33:10.140 The mistakes that Trudeau has made ranging from the authoritarian take on COVID, which led to

00:33:15.440 the trucker Freedom Convoy, to the treatment of immigration.

00:33:19.320 He's been an open borders immigration guy the whole time.

00:33:21.720 The cost of housing in Canada have increased rapidly.

00:33:25.840 And Polievre makes the point, hey, guys, you know, one thing we have in Canada, very few

00:33:29.520 people, you know, we have tons of land, really housing should not be all that expensive.

00:33:33.200 He's right about that.

00:33:34.000 The fact that Trudeau has been bad on energy policy in a country that really could be rich

00:33:39.060 in energy is truly amazing. 0.98

00:33:41.100 And then add on top of that, all the woke crap from trans to indigenous peoples, all the 1.00

00:33:47.480 stuff that Trudeau has done. 0.99

00:33:48.760 It's like watching a laboratory experiment with all the left's worst policies put into

00:33:53.720 Bunsenberger and then boiled until they boil over.

00:33:56.540 And it turns out that people really, really hate this stuff.

00:33:58.500 And it doesn't matter if you're the good looking, likely son of Fidel Castro.

00:34:01.840 People still really don't like this policy at all.

00:34:04.380 It's Trudeau's Canada that produced Melody Wisehart, the 50 year old man who's being allowed to

00:34:11.700 swim with 12 year old girls because he identifies as a 12 year old girl, which is weird because

00:34:18.380 he drives his car to and from the swim meets, which we all know a 12 year old girl would

00:34:23.200 not be allowed to do.

00:34:24.260 And by the way, he changes his clothes and gets fully nude in the locker room with the

00:34:28.540 girls and the parents.

00:34:30.500 I don't understand my Canadian friends.

00:34:32.860 Allow it.

00:34:34.200 I'll give you this Canadian podcaster and mortgage broker, Ron Butler.

00:34:39.020 I've got all sorts of contacts up there, Ben, because I got staffers up in Canada who says

00:34:44.160 as follows.

00:34:45.640 This is on X.

00:34:46.660 The prime minister decides to go and Canada says, thank God, no witch hunts, no matter how

00:34:51.300 angry people are at the PM.

00:34:52.540 Once he's gone, leave him alone, move on.

00:34:54.020 But never forget, never forget the horrible management of the country, never be fooled

00:34:57.960 again by a candidate offering sunny ways, never buy into theater, never again think a totally

00:35:04.700 unqualified person is fine to leave the country.

00:35:06.780 That was a bullet we just dodged here in America, too.

00:35:09.280 Don't listen to a man claiming to be a feminist who betrays and fires every woman who ever disagrees

00:35:13.360 with them.

00:35:13.920 Don't believe that people who act woke all the time won't cost average working people

00:35:17.600 dearly.

00:35:18.500 Never accept a leader who has a religious belief in climate change and screws average Canadians 0.99

00:35:23.060 into the ground with big taxes, lost jobs and dumb decisions. 0.68

00:35:26.960 As long as China and India are building coal power generators, Canada shouldn't should be 0.98

00:35:31.280 drilling gas wells and shipping overseas. 0.99

00:35:33.720 And finally, says never forget incompetence because we have had the stupidest waste of 0.99

00:35:38.460 taxpayers money in the history of Canada. 0.99

00:35:40.260 Therefore, once Trudeau is gone, we must punish the Liberal Party with a massive election loss.

00:35:46.020 Lessons must be taught.

00:35:47.520 Now, if that worm turns in Canada and Pierre takes over, it is a new ballgame, Ben Shapiro.

00:35:58.180 Well, I mean, they'll narrowly avoid President Trump's invasion if that happens.

00:36:01.020 I mean, I'm wondering, you know, if we're going to invade, now's the moment, right?

00:36:04.700 We've got to do it before they have an election up there and make Canada our 51st state.

00:36:08.560 Right now, we'll be greeted as liberators.

00:36:10.200 But if Polievre is the prime minister, then we might actually have to fight them.

00:36:13.880 Last time we fought the Canadians, it went surprisingly poorly. 0.73

00:36:16.600 So, you know, now's the window of opportunity.

00:36:18.900 Greenland, Canada, the Greater America Project is still on the table, but only for a few more

00:36:22.400 weeks.

00:36:23.620 Here he is.

00:36:25.360 Our audience may remember this, but this is sort of how we first came to see this guy.

00:36:28.980 Like, who is this wonderful man when he was eating the apple and the antagonistic media

00:36:33.300 reporter was trying to get him and compare him to Trump?

00:36:36.160 And he just wasn't having it.

00:36:38.060 He was just stone cold.

00:36:39.480 He is the opposite in every way, as a man, as a politician, of Justin Trudeau.

00:36:46.860 Watch.

00:36:47.480 Why should Canadians trust you with their vote, given, you know, not just the sort of ideological

00:36:55.760 inclination in terms of taking the page of Donald Trump's book, but also...

00:36:59.700 What are you talking about?

00:37:00.520 What page?

00:37:01.140 What page?

00:37:01.600 Can you give me a page?

00:37:02.340 Give me the page.

00:37:02.940 You keep saying that.

00:37:04.560 In terms of turning things quite dramatically in terms of Trudeau and the left wing and

00:37:09.980 all of this.

00:37:10.500 I mean, you make quite a, you know, it's quite a play that you make on it.

00:37:14.880 So, I'm just wondering.

00:37:15.500 I'm not sure.

00:37:16.280 I don't know what your question is.

00:37:18.220 Then forget that.

00:37:18.980 Why should Canadians trust you with their vote?

00:37:22.640 Common sense.

00:37:23.900 Okay.

00:37:24.160 Common sense for a change. 0.99

00:37:27.300 He's just, the guy's unflappable and just doesn't tolerate fools. 0.98

00:37:32.120 It's just a, it's a beauty. 0.64

00:37:33.620 I feel like even the Canadians who are allowing Melody Wisehart to swim in the 12-year-old

00:37:39.540 races.

00:37:41.100 See, he's a gopher.

00:37:42.280 He's officially a gopher.

00:37:43.860 Um, that's what they call the league.

00:37:45.780 Even those Canadians have got to see him now that the field is being cleared and say, eh,

00:37:51.760 maybe, maybe it's worth a try.

00:37:54.820 Oh, I mean, that's what the polls show right now.

00:37:56.440 I mean, right now, the polls, according to CBC up there, have Poliev running at something

00:38:00.780 like 44%, while the Liberal Party is now running at 20%.

00:38:04.560 And that's how much the Liberal Party has fallen off.

00:38:06.540 So, and it goes to show you that, you know, actually just being a steadfast conservative

00:38:11.800 in a place, even in a place like Canada, will win you some points.

00:38:14.940 This is what's so amazing about Great Britain is that they can't find anybody to just do

00:38:17.700 that, right?

00:38:18.340 Well, just do that.

00:38:19.140 Like, it doesn't look that hard.

00:38:20.840 I mean, granted, Pierre Poliev appears to have a resting heart rate of 35.

00:38:24.320 But with that said, he is like, the fact is that it actually does not seem that difficult

00:38:30.540 to find somebody who has some basic common sense.

00:38:33.300 That, of course, is the thing that I think is underappreciated about President Trump,

00:38:36.320 that the media kept playing up the fact that he says wild things on Twitter.

00:38:39.200 But the reality is that most of the stuff that Trump says is very commonsensical because

00:38:43.340 he always shoots from the hip.

00:38:44.780 And when people like Trump shoot from the hip, it tends to be kind of like the common sense

00:38:47.660 thing that you would say.

00:38:48.760 And the same thing is true of Poliev.

00:38:50.480 The same thing is true of Mele.

00:38:51.480 The same thing is true of Maloney.

00:38:52.860 The same thing is true of Wilder.

00:38:54.360 Saying common sense thing has become illegal in many countries at this point.

00:38:57.580 People are more likely to be arrested in Britain at this point, it seems, for saying a common

00:39:01.580 sense thing than for raping someone, possibly.

00:39:04.460 And I think that the blowback to that is dramatic and international.

00:39:08.080 And so it's shaping up to be a really interesting year.

00:39:10.520 Now, in the United States, obviously, that means that now that you have power, this is all

00:39:14.280 about gaining the power.

00:39:15.820 Once you have the power, you have to do the thing.

00:39:17.440 This is where the pedal is going to meet the metal and the rubber is going to hit the road

00:39:20.560 when it comes to President Trump and the Republican Congress.

00:39:22.700 What can they actually get done this year?

00:39:24.880 And there, I think, you know, there are some outsized expectations that I think that we

00:39:28.160 should temper and we should recognize the reality of a fractious coalition in Congress

00:39:32.440 where you have maybe a one to two vote majority in the House.

00:39:35.080 But I do think things can get done if people keep their heads screwed on straight.

00:39:38.560 Okay, one of the controversies that I missed while I was out was the intra-GOP fight over

00:39:45.800 H-1 visas, H-1B visas, where we bring over immigrants and we allow them to work at a decent

00:39:52.920 wage over here, largely in tech, data processors and engineers who the tech industry has used

00:40:01.400 prolifically, who Elon defends, Vivek defends, but people like Steve Bannon and our friend

00:40:09.600 Batya Angersargan, who writes for Newsweek and is much more focused on the working class,

00:40:14.180 has said they don't want, that we've had enough of this, that these are jobs Americans would

00:40:19.460 take with proper training and so on.

00:40:22.040 And here's the thing that stood out to me.

00:40:24.160 Trump sided with Elon and Vivek basically saying he's always been for these visas.

00:40:28.020 Uh, here's the thing that stood out to me, the Vivek Ramaswamy ex post on December 26th.

00:40:36.980 I think I can bring this to you as a, as a former geek yourself, who's no longer geeky,

00:40:42.200 but I mean, you were like the most brilliant person your whole life, who is always crushing

00:40:45.780 everybody in every class.

00:40:47.360 I would love to get your take on Vivek's way into this controversy.

00:40:51.320 Like you can defend the visas.

00:40:52.760 You can not defend the visas, but my friend Vivek, this is not the way.

00:40:56.340 This is not the way he drops the following.

00:41:01.760 The reason top tech companies often hire foreign born and first generation engineers over Native 1.00

00:41:05.920 Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit, a lazy and wrong explanation.

00:41:12.480 A key part of it comes down to the C word culture, a culture that celebrates the prom queen or the 0.99

00:41:17.140 math Olympia champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers.

00:41:22.920 A culture that venerates Corey from boy meets world or Zach and Slater over screech and saved

00:41:28.160 by the bell or Stefan or, or Steve Urkel and family matters will not produce the best engineers,

00:41:34.300 more math, tutoring, fewer sleepovers, more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning

00:41:40.960 cartoons, more books, less TV, more creating, less chilling.

00:41:44.220 My friend, this is a great way to produce, I guess, better engineers, but not to produce

00:41:51.340 better men who the women actually want. 0.55

00:41:55.480 No, this is, well, I mean, by the way, I'm not even sure.

00:41:58.000 We don't create our men in some laboratory where they're all Steve Urkels.

00:42:01.080 We want guys who are out.

00:42:02.200 We like prom kings.

00:42:03.380 We like sleepovers.

00:42:04.560 We like people who develop social skills in addition to math skills.

00:42:08.960 And this comes down to me as like, I having been a product, not myself, but like my kids

00:42:13.380 of the New York city private school system, realize there are so many schools there are

00:42:16.920 who are looking to create the perfect SAT score.

00:42:19.440 They want to create your child into the perfect SAT score.

00:42:22.360 Well, I don't want that.

00:42:23.780 And having moved now to Connecticut and found a school that actually cares about the whole

00:42:27.320 child, about creating great young men and young women.

00:42:30.940 It really puts the fine point on it.

00:42:32.600 Yes.

00:42:32.760 They need sleepovers. 0.91

00:42:33.640 They need socialization. 1.00

00:42:34.540 They need some stupid cartoons. 1.00

00:42:35.820 They actually need sports. 1.00

00:42:37.340 They need a whole bunch of things other than math, mathletes. 1.00

00:42:42.140 It sounds to say you, you can take it from here, Ben.

00:42:45.840 Okay.

00:42:46.240 So I love a vague.

00:42:47.000 And the truth is that when it comes to H-1B visas, I think that there are some things you

00:42:49.940 can do with H-1B visas, like increasing the income limit before you let people in.

00:42:54.060 That's an interesting conversation.

00:42:55.560 I think there's a lot more to be said about sort of the variation in terms of what actually

00:42:59.700 went on in this argument.

00:43:00.520 It was very, it was sort of a bizarre argument to be had.

00:43:02.740 But when it comes to the cultural analysis, I have to say, it's just, it's not actually

00:43:06.740 true.

00:43:07.260 Okay.

00:43:07.580 I promise you that Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, all, I mean, Elon Musk

00:43:13.560 is a very culturally savvy guy and he was not participating in the Math Olympics.

00:43:17.060 Okay.

00:43:17.180 So it turns out, by the way, that's also, that's also a very bad read, I have to say

00:43:20.780 on Boy Meets World.

00:43:21.640 Okay.

00:43:21.780 So as a Boy Meets World stan, I will say that if you ever watch an episode of Boy Meets

00:43:25.860 World, the entire moral center of the Boy Meets World universe, not to get too abstruse

00:43:29.220 here, is Mr. Feeney, who is the high school teacher who tells the kids that they need to

00:43:34.000 study harder and take history seriously.

00:43:36.080 Right.

00:43:36.460 That's actually, that's actually the theme of Boy Meets World.

00:43:39.860 And by the way, the same holds true of like, you're picking all of the shows from the 1990s

00:43:43.920 that actually had parental figures who actually pushed education, right?

00:43:47.840 I mean, if you think to any of the shows that he names right there, those are all like the

00:43:51.040 ones that had sort of the Sunday, the Sunday evening special that would have like a talk

00:43:55.460 with the kids about how you actually need to take your schoolwork seriously.

00:43:59.200 Listen, I understand that for a lot of people, particularly from countries that are not the United

00:44:03.060 States, the way that you rise in those countries is to do really, really well

00:44:06.380 on your exam.

00:44:06.940 So you study super, super hard in South Korea.

00:44:08.940 They have a very programmatic approach to how to train kids.

00:44:12.500 When it comes to American innovation, which is where most of the innovators are coming

00:44:15.280 from, the problem is not that people are watching Boy Meets World.

00:44:18.100 If you want to talk about like systemic problems in the United States with regard to education,

00:44:21.220 those exist.

00:44:21.840 There are public schools, right?

00:44:22.840 That's why we need school vouchers. 1.00

00:44:24.160 You can talk about broken families that need to be healed.

00:44:26.320 You can talk about lack of social structure.

00:44:28.180 But this is a, the weird take, which is that you have to be a person training for the spelling

00:44:32.200 bee in order to be a top level engineer at Google.

00:44:34.980 That's just not true.

00:44:35.760 I mean, just on any sort of relevant level, that's not true.

00:44:39.460 It's, it's 100% a function of the vague, not being the prom king and not being the MVP.

00:44:46.080 And I wasn't either, but I also watched Boy Meets World.

00:44:48.380 Come on.

00:44:48.680 This is my moment.

00:44:49.800 People need to be more like me and then their lives will be better.

00:44:53.220 I, this is my moment.

00:44:54.400 I was definitely not the prom king.

00:44:56.820 Okay.

00:44:57.100 Like I skipped two grades and graduated high school when I was 16 and went to UCLA as the

00:45:00.920 smallest, shrimpiest kid at UCLA.

00:45:03.260 Right.

00:45:03.760 I was, I was not like the toast of the town, but even I recognize that like watching Saturday

00:45:08.860 morning cartoons is not the thing that's preventing people from staffing up Silicon Valley engineering

00:45:14.060 jobs.

00:45:14.440 That's not like the chief problem in the United States.

00:45:16.780 There are trade-offs.

00:45:17.600 And I think about this all the time because just given the circles that I'm in and the

00:45:20.980 way, you know, I'm, I'm living in these so-called super zips or near these so-called super zips

00:45:25.560 where it's like a lot of wealth and a lot of advantage and privilege.

00:45:29.240 And, um, I always think like, okay, it's great.

00:45:31.340 You know, I, I definitely, you could turn any kid into the math lead who never does a sleep

00:45:35.020 over who's only, you know, doing practice tests and does follows the Vivek plan to become

00:45:39.220 the number one engineer.

00:45:40.200 And you know what you'd wind up with somebody who's probably not a leader because actual

00:45:45.260 leaders who people want to be around and want to elect and want to follow have social skills

00:45:50.400 and really interesting, deep personalities and a wealth of experience and exposure to

00:45:55.800 other people and develop their EQs in addition to their IQs in a way that's really important.

00:46:03.640 Just ask Donald Trump, who I believe is the opposite of a math lead.

00:46:08.520 You know, it's just, it's so small.

00:46:11.140 Mine is so myopic, but it is very clearly Vivek being like, this is my moment.

00:46:16.160 Yes.

00:46:16.700 You need more me.

00:46:18.860 Again, listen, I, I really like Vivek and I even agree with some of his immigration takes

00:46:23.220 this one.

00:46:23.620 I don't think it was the best cultural analysis.

00:46:25.280 I'll put it that way.

00:46:26.000 No, no.

00:46:26.980 I actually think it's kind of cute and it's kind of charming.

00:46:29.160 He's not wrong that like, if you do want great engineers, I suppose they do need to live

00:46:33.520 something close to the math lead life, but to get, to tell it, to push 0.98

00:46:38.500 your child to give up socialization and stupid time, stupid time, mindless time, um, is not 0.98

00:46:43.780 the way, I mean, having gone to the Google headquarters and been, you know, toured around 1.00

00:46:47.500 those guys who sit there entering data all day, Google has set out like sword fighting for them

00:46:53.000 in their downtime.

00:46:53.640 Oh yeah.

00:46:53.800 The biggest nerds in the world, right?

00:46:55.580 They're like dungeon, dungeon, like dungeons and dragons.

00:46:58.200 Some of them, some of them actually, you know, actually work out.

00:47:00.480 Many of them are the people who are playing video games at night, right?

00:47:03.420 They're not like culturally non-savvy, right?

00:47:05.820 This idea that nerds are somehow, they've never watched TV.

00:47:09.340 Have you met a nerd?

00:47:10.560 Like spend some time with the nerds.

00:47:12.140 The nerds watch some TV.

00:47:14.420 Yeah, that's right.

00:47:15.260 Have you met a nerd?

00:47:16.280 Exactly right.

00:47:16.940 So anyway, uh, I look forward to discussing that with him when he comes back on.

00:47:21.160 All right, let's talk about president Biden because he is still president and you point

00:47:24.200 out this is the most alive he's been in a long time.

00:47:26.640 And there were a couple of headlines of him.

00:47:28.680 First of all, he's saying he would have won.

00:47:31.000 He never should have stepped aside.

00:47:32.120 This is, uh, according, uh, I think it was the Washington post or there, my team will

00:47:35.980 correct me.

00:47:36.300 I think it was WAPO.

00:47:37.120 Anyway, yeah, it was WAPO saying I, I would have won, not, I shouldn't have stepped aside.

00:47:42.280 That was, that was mistaken.

00:47:43.440 But in the meantime, in his final days, he is doing everything possible to thwart the

00:47:48.540 Trump agenda, you know, from striking this deal with certain workers that they can work

00:47:52.580 from home interminably to now making it impossible for us to do drilling pretty much off of the

00:47:59.420 entire East coast.

00:48:00.940 And Trump tried to undo Barack Obama's attempt to do that to him when he took over, Trump took

00:48:06.280 over in 16 and Barack Obama had tried to do this and Trump tried to undo it by executive

00:48:10.220 order.

00:48:10.620 It was challenging the course and Trump lost.

00:48:12.420 So there is a better than average chance that Joe Biden's moves will, will hold.

00:48:17.700 Meanwhile, Trump ran on drill, baby drill.

00:48:20.240 The American people voted for this and Joe Biden with his last, or maybe it's Joe Biden.

00:48:25.180 Maybe it's not Joe, but who knows who's making these decisions.

00:48:27.960 Ben is doing everything within his power to thwart the wall, to stop, uh, the return of the

00:48:33.720 federal workforce to DC.

00:48:35.640 And this is the latest on drilling offshore.

00:48:38.800 So I actually don't think it's going to work.

00:48:40.200 And the reason I don't think it's going to work is in the interim, since Trump was in

00:48:43.020 office, there was an overruling of Chevron deference, which means that administrative

00:48:46.120 decisions that are overruled, but you know, that they kind of get caught up in this, this

00:48:49.660 interminable procedure now will go before the judiciary.

00:48:52.160 So it's, it may be that the doctrine has changed in the meantime.

00:48:55.900 So maybe Trump actually has a shot at reversing this in a way he didn't back in 2019.

00:48:59.960 Whatever the case, it is very clear who Joe Biden is right now that all the, everything

00:49:04.760 has been sort of, all the chains have been unleashed, right?

00:49:07.760 He is, he is free and he's running naked through the streets and all of his horrifying glory.

00:49:12.140 And it's terrible.

00:49:13.220 I mean, in every way from the drilling to the pardons of the, of the murderers to whatever

00:49:17.560 he's going to do on foreign policy, which I think is going to be quite bad in his last

00:49:20.020 couple of weeks.

00:49:20.820 I mean, we are blessed that he is leaving office and we are blessed that his party will

00:49:24.660 have no power.

00:49:25.260 Thank God for the American people, man, because that bleep needs to go. 0.97

00:49:30.760 And will, will, I mean, even Kamala Harris today is out there like, I will certify the

00:49:36.920 results. 0.96

00:49:37.680 Unlike that loser who refused to do it, right? 0.96

00:49:39.960 Like, um, it's these two, I can't wait to see them leave Washington. 0.97

00:49:44.420 I really can't wait.

00:49:45.280 It's going to be a joy, Ben.

00:49:47.080 I'm sorry.

00:49:47.640 However, to see you go, it's a pleasure to see you, my friend.

00:49:50.880 Great to see you.

00:49:51.560 Happy new year.

00:49:52.900 You too.

00:49:53.320 All right.

00:49:53.800 We're going to stay on Joe Biden when Glenn Greenwald, the number one guest, the most

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00:51:39.600 Joining me now, the very first guest ever on the Megan Kelly show back in September 2020.

00:51:46.040 Soon we'll be at our fifth year anniversary and one of the most frequent, Glenn Greenwald,

00:51:51.640 host of Rumble's System Update.

00:51:53.800 Glenn, happy new year.

00:51:54.680 Great to see you.

00:51:55.200 Oh, and happy January 6th.

00:51:56.960 Happy New Year to you.

00:51:59.040 Yes, we call that Insurrection Day in our household.

00:52:01.800 I forgot that I was your first guest and I called myself the godfather of this program

00:52:05.720 for some time, but you grew a lot and I figured that title was no more inappropriate.

00:52:09.840 But yeah, it's always great to be back.

00:52:13.020 It's amazing, the January 6th thing.

00:52:14.820 And, you know, right on brand, as we head into January 6th, who gets honored by President

00:52:22.000 Biden, not with the presidential medal of freedom, but with one step down, like the commendation,

00:52:29.040 one under.

00:52:29.960 But Liz Cheney, because what did the Democrats love more than the Cheneys? 0.98

00:52:35.840 This is, you know, I think it's important to sometimes underscore how amazing it really

00:52:41.000 is for people who may not have been involved in politics 20 years ago, who weren't paying

00:52:45.600 a lot of attention, who were too young to have lived through it.

00:52:48.280 The policies that Dick Cheney stood for, that Liz Cheney by his side was a vocal advocate 0.91

00:52:53.960 of and continues to this very day to justify, not just the invasion of Iraq, though that

00:52:58.040 to Guantanamo, due process, free imprisonment, kidnapping people off the streets of Europe,

00:53:02.340 torture, CIA black sites.

00:53:04.820 These things were regarded at the time for years as one of the greatest evils in American

00:53:10.880 history by liberals and Democrats.

00:53:12.700 They were calling these people Nazis and war criminals.

00:53:15.380 And to be honest, I was among them.

00:53:17.600 So to watch the commendation not just be about Liz Cheney's heroic role on the January 6th

00:53:23.920 committee, but Biden said 20 years of service in defense of dignity, freedom and decency

00:53:33.420 when she's a symbol of these policies that they said at least as bad about, as they say

00:53:39.720 of Trump now, is just so indicative of how Democratic Party politics has become so craven

00:53:44.900 and empty.

00:53:46.960 It's really I mean, it's pretty galling.

00:53:49.300 And of course, it's just they just want to call attention to January 6th and they continue

00:53:52.860 trying to sell it as the new 9-11.

00:53:55.220 And the American public is just not buying it, no matter how many dark Brandon's speeches 1.00

00:54:01.140 we have, how many attempts to declare Trump an insurrectionist and keep him off the ballot

00:54:05.280 we have, or how many presidential medals we have given to.

00:54:09.100 I mean, nobody pays attention to these civilian medals.

00:54:11.860 It's like Anna Wintour was given him like what?

00:54:14.820 How does she get?

00:54:15.980 And I think she got the one higher than Liz Cheney, by the way.

00:54:19.060 There's somebody.

00:54:19.520 Yes, I have this here in my packet.

00:54:21.880 Somebody is upset.

00:54:23.320 Some leftist is upset that Liz Cheney didn't get what Anna Wintour got. 0.54

00:54:27.660 It's a CNN medical analyst.

00:54:30.460 Jonathan Reiner says, so Biden awarded Liz Cheney a lesser recognition than Anna Wintour,

00:54:35.680 Denzel Washington and Bill Nye, the science guy, indefensible.

00:54:40.360 This is the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

00:54:41.980 No public figure has demonstrated courage in the defense of freedom more than Liz, Glenn.

00:54:50.160 There's so many things to say, Buzz, and I honestly don't know where to start.

00:54:53.240 But first of all, just as an aside, because you brought it up, the reason Anna Wintour,

00:54:57.780 the editor-in-chief of Vogue, got that award is because she refused to put Melania on the 0.99

00:55:03.100 cover of Vogue, like the first time in years that a first lady hasn't been on there, but 0.97

00:55:06.720 put Jill Biden on there twice. 1.00

00:55:08.700 So she has made her political affinities very clear.

00:55:12.320 And of course, the Biden administration loves her for that.

00:55:16.560 Okay.

00:55:17.460 We just went through a campaign where Kamala Harris effectively made Liz Cheney her running

00:55:21.280 mate, dragging her all throughout the Midwest as though disaffected, working class people 0.98

00:55:26.840 were yearning for a return of the nobility of the Cheneys as though that's what they were

00:55:31.520 craving.

00:55:31.960 And look, I have Liz Cheney here. 0.97

00:55:33.240 And look, I'm going to go to Michigan and remind all of you, the Muslim voters that I

00:55:37.220 need, that I have Dick Cheney's daughter with me too.

00:55:39.520 Remember them?

00:55:40.840 And it failed.

00:55:42.120 Not only did it fail in terms of Liz Cheney, I think the broader point failed of trying to

00:55:47.160 tell Americans that ideology doesn't matter, economics doesn't matter, culture doesn't

00:55:52.120 matter.

00:55:52.820 All that matters is our conception of democracy.

00:55:55.480 And remember January 6th and it was Liz Cheney.

00:55:57.640 Nobody cares.

00:55:58.880 Nobody cares.

00:55:59.600 This is not what people think.

00:56:00.760 It was a three hour riot that was easily subdued.

00:56:04.200 It had about a thousand Trump supporters at most.

00:56:06.580 Two of them dropped out of a heart attack.

00:56:07.980 One of them from an overdose.

00:56:09.480 These were not trained militias.

00:56:10.900 Nobody wielded a gun to continue to try and squeeze the stone after they just got crushed

00:56:18.120 doing it.

00:56:19.080 January 6th, insurrection Liz Cheney.

00:56:21.380 They're just so out of ideas that it's almost like they don't even internalize the rejection

00:56:26.500 that they just experienced.

00:56:28.100 So when Joe Biden gave Liz Cheney the award, as there always is when it's Joe Biden and

00:56:35.860 a woman, any woman could be Betsy DeVos, who came on my show a couple of years ago to 1.00

00:56:40.300 say that she was in a wheelchair after having hurt her leg and he basically me to her forehead.

00:56:45.160 I don't, I don't, I don't understand exactly, but it happened to the little girls whose hair

00:56:50.140 he sniffs to Liz Cheney.

00:56:52.960 Joe Biden doesn't know when to let go of any female in his presence.

00:56:58.060 He, in this video here, you'll see he, he's got her by the hand.

00:57:01.880 She's kind of like, give me my award.

00:57:03.600 Okay.

00:57:04.060 I've got the award.

00:57:05.540 She tries to pull away.

00:57:07.200 He won't let go.

00:57:08.300 He's to the hand.

00:57:12.060 At one point, she actually does roll her eyes.

00:57:15.420 He's, she still doesn't have the award.

00:57:17.240 He's still holding onto it.

00:57:18.600 And I don't know exactly what's going on here, Glenn, but it's probably further evidence

00:57:25.120 of the president's decline.

00:57:26.840 I'm just going to give you one more on the back of that one. 0.93

00:57:29.940 Last night, he gave an interview.

00:57:33.060 Well, he didn't give an interview.

00:57:33.960 He's caught at the white house on camera, speaking to reporters.

00:57:38.340 This is from Fox news.

00:57:39.400 We went back to look at the original to see what led to this moment.

00:57:44.180 What was it?

00:57:44.620 A question about Debbie Murphy.

00:57:46.060 Somebody asked him a question about what?

00:57:48.600 Oh, asked him about Trump's plan to end birthright citizenship.

00:57:52.780 Okay.

00:57:53.240 That was the question that preceded the outburst.

00:57:55.900 You will hear from Joe Biden right here.

00:57:58.140 Listen.

00:57:59.880 Do you still believe he's a threat to democracy?

00:58:03.600 I think what he did was a genuine threat to democracy.

00:58:06.640 By being the oldest president, I know more world leaders than any one of you ever met in 0.99

00:58:10.920 your whole goddamn life. 0.99

00:58:15.980 Wait, what? 1.00

00:58:17.220 So what's happening there, Glenn?

00:58:18.600 You know, I just I'm almost hesitant to say it because, you know, we all have this experience,

00:58:26.220 I think, where somebody in our family or somebody beloved by someone close to us ends up in like

00:58:33.400 the last stages of their life.

00:58:34.760 They're, you know, experiencing various forms of dementia.

00:58:37.240 They go into nursing homes.

00:58:38.320 You talk to any caregiver in a nursing home and they will tell you that male patients, in particular, as they get older, they start doing very inappropriate things.

00:58:47.140 They lose sense of their boundaries, but also they just don't you can't follow a conversation any longer.

00:58:53.300 And they get very grumpy at the same time, like almost aggressive.

00:58:56.960 That was like I mean, I would have been concerned for my physical safety if I had been in the vicinity of Joe Biden when he was speaking that way,

00:59:04.620 because actually that dementia can make people very physically powerful.

00:59:07.880 True.

00:59:08.240 Megan, I was going to talk about how the lies that the media told about January 6th, like Brian Sicknick being bludgeoned to death of a fire extinguisher, all that, all those lies that they told.

00:59:17.520 Well, I think it's really worth pausing that if Joe Biden had been reelected, as a lot of them wanted him to do, as the Democratic Party was intending for him to be, he would have four more years in this state, four more years.

00:59:31.960 He's 82.

00:59:32.640 He would go to 86.

00:59:33.620 He already doesn't know where he is.

00:59:35.440 He has no comportmental self-control.

00:59:38.480 He doesn't understand what's being said to him.

00:59:40.840 And the media and Democrats have spent not just years, but even more so over the last 12 months heading into the election, vehemently insisting that Joe Biden has never been sharper, that he's smarter than everybody in the room, that he's whip smart and detailed focus.

00:59:56.980 And they continue to say it, that Simone Sanders said it, Chuck Schumer was saying it just a few months ago.

01:00:04.140 The lie that they told about Joe Biden's mental capacity when they thought they needed him to be reelected is such a foundational lie to our democracy, and so many of them were complicit in it.

01:00:16.200 And yet we had, right as we went to break, PolitiFact saying the lie of the year was Trump's, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the pets.

01:00:24.900 That was the lie of the year, not Joe Biden's fine and can totally do a second term.

01:00:30.060 It was, what a joke.

01:00:31.760 You mentioned a couple of media defenses of Joe Biden's mental acuity.

01:00:36.620 We've got some of that.

01:00:37.580 Here's Simone Sanders on Meet the Press on Sunday.

01:00:42.900 I was very surprised that when you asked the question about mental acuity, he didn't more forcefully push back.

01:00:48.320 The question on the table is, is the president all the way there?

01:00:52.720 And the answer is unequivocally yes.

01:00:54.740 The Democrats in November, to try to tell the American people something they could see with their own eyes wasn't true. 0.56

01:00:59.820 But it's not true that the president doesn't have the mental acuity.

01:01:03.600 Oh, really?

01:01:04.540 She was referring to Chuck Schumer there, which I'll just play to it before I toss it to you, Glenn.

01:01:09.820 Kristen Welker, the moderator, confronted Chuck Schumer over the many lies he told about Biden being a superhero behind the scenes. 0.68

01:01:16.320 You know, if only we could see him the way Schumer sees him.

01:01:19.240 He's, you know, he's an Einstein ready to do rhetorical battle with anybody at any point.

01:01:23.680 Here he here she is confronting Schumer on it.

01:01:26.600 I want to play you a little bit of something you said last year.

01:01:29.560 Take a look.

01:01:30.060 I talk to President Biden, you know, regularly, or sometimes several times in a week, or usually several times in a week.

01:01:39.180 His mental acuity is great.

01:01:41.200 It's fine.

01:01:42.280 It's as good as it's been over the years.

01:01:44.360 All this right-wing propaganda that his mental acuity has declined is wrong.

01:01:48.260 Leader Schumer, what do you say to Americans who feel as though you and other top Democrats misled them about President Biden's mental acuity?

01:01:59.520 Look, we didn't.

01:02:00.920 And let's look at President Biden.

01:02:04.180 He's had an amazing record.

01:02:05.740 He's a patriot.

01:02:06.900 He's a great guy.

01:02:08.240 And when he stepped down, he did it on his own because he thought it was better not only for the Democratic Party for America.

01:02:15.440 We should all salute him.

01:02:16.460 We should all salute him.

01:02:18.260 Do you feel, as we have this conversation today, that President Biden could serve another four years had he stayed in the race and potentially won?

01:02:27.540 Well, I'm not going to speculate.

01:02:29.240 As I said, I think his record is a stellar one, and he'll go down in history as a really outstanding president.

01:02:36.420 So he doesn't answer.

01:02:37.660 He's a great guy.

01:02:39.000 He's a patriot.

01:02:39.980 That does not speak to whether he has the mental acuity to do another four years, never mind complete the existing four.

01:02:45.700 Also, they're still lying.

01:02:49.160 They're still lying.

01:02:50.220 The idea that Joe Biden so patriotically and selflessly decided he was going to step down because it was for the good of the country.

01:02:58.040 He was infuriated that they were forcing him to step down.

01:03:01.920 They threatened him with the 25th Amendment.

01:03:03.700 Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama were calling every day and intensifying their threats.

01:03:08.060 Nancy Pelosi said we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

01:03:10.960 He's enraged and bitter to this day that they forced him to leave the race.

01:03:14.960 He didn't selflessly do anything, let alone decide he didn't want to run for reelection.

01:03:18.840 The other part of it, though, Megan, is there obviously have been times when the media has lied to the public about the war in Vietnam or Iraq or Russia gate, Hunter Biden's laptop.

01:03:29.580 And those were instances where the public had no way of knowing what the truth was.

01:03:33.900 They had no way of knowing that they were being lied to.

01:03:35.640 The amazing thing about this case is that if you look at public polling data going back to 2020, 2021, the public knew that Joe Biden was cognitively declining.

01:03:46.440 They knew he was cognitively unfit for the presidency.

01:03:49.380 The media pretended over and over that it was a lie.

01:03:53.400 And until the debate happened when they couldn't hide it anymore and they all had to pretend, oh, my God, we can't believe it.

01:03:58.920 It turns out Joe Biden doesn't seem like he's all there.

01:04:01.500 And the amazing part about that is when George Clooney wrote that op ed that ended up being a significant catalyst to forcing Joe Biden out, which is the weird unto itself.

01:04:13.380 But when Joe George Clooney wrote that, he said when he decided that this has to happen was at that fundraiser they did where Barack Obama led him off the stage.

01:04:21.760 And he said that Joe Biden was a Joe Biden I'd never seen before.

01:04:25.140 At the time, everybody else noticed that they said, look, Joe Biden doesn't even know where he is.

01:04:29.640 Obama has to, like, walk him off the stage.

01:04:31.900 The Washington Post, The New York Times, in conjunction with the White House, collaborated to say this was disinformation, right wing cheap fakes.

01:04:41.260 In other words, they were showing the correct video about lying about it.

01:04:44.520 And then George Clooney comes out and says, yeah, at that event, he wasn't there.

01:04:48.640 And none of these media outlets have remotely accounted for what it is that they did.

01:04:52.220 No. And by the way, Kristen Welker is equally guilty because there's a clip of her post the June debate, post the meltdown, defending Biden's mental acuity when she was interviewing Doug Burgum, who was raising serious questions about it.

01:05:08.900 Here's that.

01:05:10.320 I mean, the nation, we keep talking about elections.

01:05:13.260 We're at a greater national security risk today than we were on Thursday because the commander in chief showed that he's not capable of serving.

01:05:20.840 Well, there's not proof of that.

01:05:22.800 But, Governor, let me just ask you about the debate and a little bit more of what we saw.

01:05:27.040 By one count, Donald Trump made more than 30 false claims during that debate.

01:05:31.780 Look at that, Glenn.

01:05:33.360 She won't.

01:05:34.480 She interrupts him.

01:05:35.780 She won't let him back up his point.

01:05:38.860 She claims there's no proof that he doesn't have the mental acuity to be president.

01:05:43.300 This is days after that disastrous debate that would wind up causing him to lose massive support and wind up having to go.

01:05:49.380 And then she what is she why?

01:05:51.760 What is so pressing that she needs to move on to?

01:05:54.480 Oh, Trump told 30 lies.

01:05:58.680 You know, first of all, if you watch her interviews, like her series of interviews and she took over Meet the Press and it's not like Chuck Todd was any better, maybe just a little smoother, a little more subtle about it because he's been on for so long.

01:06:08.340 So she every time she interviews a Trump supporter, every time, that's what she does.

01:06:13.680 She interrupts to try and imply that what's being said is too false to even allow it to be on the air.

01:06:18.420 She constantly debates the person she's debating after they say something by saying there's no evidence for it.

01:06:23.000 She then wants to pivot to show how aggressive she is on behalf of the Democrats. 1.00

01:06:26.200 She has never, ever interviewed a Democratic Party politician that way, ever, where she's constantly interrupting, explicitly saying they're lying, just like those moderators that ABC News did where they never fact check Kamala or anything she said, despite the multiple lies they only give it to Trump.

01:06:40.100 And then in this case, again, I have to say the fact that that was after the debate, every American of any kind of political stripe who is being remotely honest saw with their own eyes, not for the first time, that Joe Biden was not just cognitively declined, but cognitively crippled.

01:06:56.320 And then they're sitting there saying there's no evidence for that.

01:06:59.300 And then they turn around and wonder, why does nobody listen to us?

01:07:02.160 Why is everybody turning us off?

01:07:03.500 Why does everybody distrust us?

01:07:05.700 And they complain about this endlessly, the fact that, oh, there are these other podcasts and independent media that people turn to and they're so angry about it.

01:07:13.520 They think it's so dangerous that no one listens to them anymore.

01:07:15.980 They never look inward.

01:07:17.380 She should just look at that one interview she did, just that one.

01:07:20.200 And the answer lies right in there, right?

01:07:22.480 So, so flagrantly.

01:07:25.120 Meanwhile, over at CBS, there is one woman, Jan Crawford Greenberg, who, or maybe she's just Jan Crawford now.

01:07:33.340 I think she may have gotten a divorce in any event. 1.00

01:07:34.720 But she stands as a beacon of reason, or at least attempted in this case, when the subject comes up on her network of what the most underreported story of 2024 was.

01:07:49.320 It's interesting because she just had a situation where she took on her network in a, in a tape that was leaked when, um, Tony Docapul kind of went after, uh, Ta-Nehisi Coates, right?

01:08:01.600 Who, who had spent 10 days in Israel and declared himself an expert and wrote a book about it, which I feel like you should spend more than 10 days there before you write it.

01:08:11.360 Anyway, um, the, the anchor got a ton of blowback and like disciplined.

01:08:16.960 And she stood up in this meeting to say, what are, what's our process?

01:08:20.580 Because you had one guy coming on with one POV and he challenged him with a different POV.

01:08:25.240 And isn't that called journalism?

01:08:26.600 Anyway, here she is again on, um, what actually was the most underreported story?

01:08:34.440 Undercovered, underreported.

01:08:35.480 That would be to me, uh, Joe Biden's obvious cognizant decline that became undeniable, uh, in the televised debate.

01:08:43.780 At the presidential debate with Trump.

01:08:45.420 Unquestioned.

01:08:45.980 And, you know, it's starting to emerge now that his advisors, uh, kind of managed his limitations.

01:08:52.340 It's been reported in the Wall Street Journal for four years.

01:08:55.640 Uh, and yet he insisted that he could still run for president.

01:08:58.420 We should have much more forcefully, uh, questioned whether he was fit for office for another four years,

01:09:04.360 which could have led to a primary, uh, for the Democrats.

01:09:07.100 It could have changed the, the, the scope of the entire election.

01:09:10.300 Yet still incredibly, we read the Washington Post that his advisors are saying that he regrets that he dropped out of the race.

01:09:18.640 You know, that he thinks he could have beaten Trump.

01:09:20.720 And I think that is either delusional or they're gaslighting.

01:09:23.500 President Biden.

01:09:26.060 Hmm.

01:09:26.580 What do you make of that, Glenn?

01:09:29.040 Well, just add one thing, like on what you said with that interview with Tony, he's a coach.

01:09:32.580 And even going back to, to Kirsten Walker's interview of, of, uh, Doug Burgum, I actually

01:09:38.400 think that journalists should be adversarial when they're interviewing people that way.

01:09:42.680 The problem is they have to be adversarial to everybody.

01:09:45.240 That's supposed to be the role with influence people who've been on.

01:09:48.280 And if you're only adversarial, when one view is being expressed, but not the other, that's

01:09:52.180 when questions arise.

01:09:53.920 Um, and I bring this up every time, not to praise you, but just because it's true.

01:09:57.820 Like I remember back in 2014, 2015, when I didn't even know you and I, there was a political

01:10:02.280 profile of you.

01:10:03.100 And that's one of the things I said about you is like, just take a look at how she interviews

01:10:05.740 Republican politicians.

01:10:06.640 I know you love DeSantis during the campaign, but interviewed him extremely aggressively

01:10:10.200 because that's your job.

01:10:11.620 And the problem is so often they don't do that job.

01:10:14.200 They do it only for politicized ends, not journalistic ones.

01:10:17.260 As for the whole, we should have covered this more.

01:10:19.980 She's of course, right.

01:10:21.160 But I think there needed to be a discussion because it's a little bit easy to say now

01:10:26.160 about why wasn't there more coverage of that.

01:10:30.300 There were a couple of reporters who are trying like Alex Thompson, um, at Axios.

01:10:36.060 He was, I think, yeah, one of the, I know you might as well just confuse them.

01:10:40.380 They're the same, but yeah, Alex Thompson, I think he's at Axios now.

01:10:42.680 He was at political.

01:10:43.440 He was on this for a long time.

01:10:45.280 And the problem was, I was thinking about this when I was listening to Kristen Walker too,

01:10:48.240 is if you're one of those journalists who deviates just a little bit, if you're in corporate

01:10:52.100 media on television, in the op-ed page of the New York Times, the Washington Post, and

01:10:55.260 you deviate just a little bit, you actually do start asking those questions.

01:10:58.380 You get mobbed, attacked by the people who you think matter, namely liberals.

01:11:03.200 And it's a very aggressive and effective form of discipline to say, if you do do your job,

01:11:10.580 we are going to spend three days on, on Twitter, you know, demonizing you, attacking you,

01:11:16.380 trying to ruin your reputation, and no one wants that.

01:11:18.940 And so they get into this mindset of, oh, I better perform the way everybody expects

01:11:22.840 me to perform, which is tell anyone defending Trump that they're lying, interrupt them, say

01:11:26.640 we can't have those lies on the air, and then switch to defending Biden.

01:11:30.220 And so much of that dynamic was about that.

01:11:32.140 So I'm glad Jan Crawford said that, but I think they needed some self-reflection.

01:11:36.040 Like, why was that so uncovered?

01:11:37.820 Mm-hmm.

01:11:39.480 Now they're closer to doing it than ever because they lost.

01:11:43.800 So now you can see they're genuinely thinking, okay, some, some sincere soul searching might

01:11:50.840 be in order so that we don't lose again.

01:11:53.500 It's not so that they can save their reputations or do good journalism, Glenn.

01:11:59.860 Yeah.

01:12:00.420 I mean, it's so easy to dump on Joe Biden now because Joe Biden is never going to run again.

01:12:05.120 No one needs him anymore for anything.

01:12:08.020 And ever since he was forced out of the race, they kind of started turning on him.

01:12:12.640 But here's the thing.

01:12:14.100 Kamala Harris, as vice president, was not only one of the closest people to Joe Biden, at

01:12:18.800 least in theory.

01:12:19.520 I mean, she met with him all the time, that's for sure.

01:12:21.600 But she also has a constitutional duty as vice president. 0.67

01:12:24.880 There's the 25th Amendment to alert people if the person who has all this power, who's running

01:12:31.520 the executive branch, who's the commander in chief of the armed forces, isn't capable

01:12:34.920 of doing the job.

01:12:35.880 And not only didn't she do that, she was one of the most overt liars in defending Joe Biden

01:12:40.840 before he dropped out, insisting that he was sharp as attack and all of that.

01:12:44.780 Why isn't there, if this is a genuine sort of let's figure out what we did wrong kind of

01:12:50.120 moment, simply attacking Joe Biden is really kind of pointless.

01:12:55.600 And even sort of saying, hey, we have to figure out what to avoid next time getting caught.

01:13:01.100 But that's even worse.

01:13:02.940 I mean, Kamala Harris is probably going to run for governor. 1.00

01:13:05.160 She's talking about running for president again.

01:13:07.040 She bears a lot of accountability for perpetuating this. 0.99

01:13:10.060 And this is not a trivial lie.

01:13:11.740 This is fundamental to our democracy.

01:13:14.540 And you don't see any accountability trying to be brought to her by these journalists because

01:13:19.140 she's still valuable to them.

01:13:20.860 Kamala Harris didn't even know what the 25th Amendment was. 1.00

01:13:27.020 I got dollars to donuts.

01:13:28.400 She probably thought it was the rental car policy that requires you to be 25 years old

01:13:31.740 before you can rent a car.

01:13:33.120 This woman was out there, couldn't even lead the Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance a couple 1.00

01:13:38.980 of days.

01:13:39.360 She doesn't even know the pledge or she's too, she says it so infrequently she forgot it in

01:13:44.500 the moment. 0.89

01:13:44.940 I'm sorry, but it was ridiculous.

01:13:46.780 Here's that moment.

01:13:47.720 Join me in pledging allegiance to our flag.

01:13:55.860 I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to the flag, to the flag.

01:14:05.840 It's what kids used to say every day, at least in elementary school, including yours truly.

01:14:12.100 And my little guy in his elementary school did too.

01:14:15.420 But Kamala Harris, I don't know.

01:14:16.840 I guess they didn't do that out in Canada where she was raised.

01:14:22.240 You know, Megan, I think this is like kind of an intangible, but I think one of the biggest

01:14:28.320 problems with Kamala Harris as a politician is that she was constantly petrified of saying 1.00

01:14:33.300 something that would bring embarrassment to her. 0.90

01:14:35.540 And that insecurity generally comes from a lack of knowledge.

01:14:38.980 You know, if you're supposed to know about something, but you don't, you want to be as

01:14:42.640 vague as possible.

01:14:43.800 She spent her entire life until she got to the Senate, you know, six months ago doing,

01:14:50.220 you know, law.

01:14:51.360 She was a lawyer. 0.83

01:14:52.060 She was a prosecutor. 0.94

01:14:52.940 Totally perfect profession.

01:14:54.680 You know, nothing to be embarrassed about with that.

01:14:57.680 All she knew, though, all she really knows is the law.

01:15:00.660 She knows criminal law.

01:15:01.660 She knows how to prosecute or at least she knows about prosecution. 0.98

01:15:04.720 She never thought about, studied and got involved with foreign policy, economic policy, immigration

01:15:11.760 policies, curing the root causes in Central America of instability and poverty in those

01:15:17.780 countries.

01:15:18.180 The things that she was supposed to be able to speak on. 0.96

01:15:21.340 And she knew she was a fraud.

01:15:22.960 That's why for three years we never heard from her, except in the most scripted ways.

01:15:26.820 And they tried to confine her that way during the debate, during the election to remember

01:15:31.700 when she wouldn't even sit down with a reporter for so long.

01:15:34.060 And then she finally didn't.

01:15:34.860 It was like the friendliest reporters and her worst moments were often with the friendliest

01:15:38.740 reporters, like on Stephen Colbert and The View when she's like, I wouldn't be different

01:15:41.880 than Joe Biden at all.

01:15:42.720 I can't think of anything that I would have done differently. 0.57

01:15:45.080 She's a terrible politician. 1.00

01:15:46.340 She knows almost nothing.

01:15:48.200 And the entire attempt to foist her on the country with no votes, no debates, no democracy 1.00

01:15:54.960 was at least as bad as what the media did in concealing Joe Biden's mental decline.

01:16:00.440 Well, that's an interesting question.

01:16:01.540 Which is the bigger lie, that Joe Biden was competent for the job or that Kamala Harris was?

01:16:08.800 You go back and look at how Kamala Harris was talked about all the way up until the time

01:16:13.140 that she was bequeathed to us by Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama.

01:16:18.600 She was a national joke. 1.00

01:16:20.280 There were all these stories in liberal outlets.

01:16:23.040 Like she was firing her staff constantly.

01:16:25.160 She had no role to play. 1.00

01:16:26.840 Everything she did turned, you know, to crap. 0.99

01:16:30.220 She was not trusted to do anything. 0.99

01:16:33.360 She was never considered.

01:16:34.800 She ran for president once before and dropped out before the first vote was counted. 0.96

01:16:39.080 It was counted despite having every structural advantage, massive cash from California, where

01:16:44.020 she comes from, a huge campaign structure. 1.00

01:16:46.960 She was a historic figure as a black woman.

01:16:48.920 So the media loved her. 0.93

01:16:50.740 She had every conceivable advantage, but she was such a terrible politician.

01:16:53.780 She couldn't even make it to Iowa.

01:16:55.680 And then suddenly we were supposed to be told and she was chosen by Joe Biden because he had

01:16:59.380 promised to choose a black woman for his vice presidency.

01:17:02.040 That's the reality.

01:17:02.980 You know, he had two or three choices, none of which were particularly good.

01:17:06.140 And that is the truth.

01:17:08.680 And the media on a dime, Megan, turned around and tried to convince us that she was like 0.99

01:17:13.020 this historic pioneer, this generational political talent who was going to inspire young

01:17:19.060 Americans and come out to droves and crush Donald Trump once and for all.

01:17:23.560 The whole thing was a fraud. 0.93

01:17:25.000 It was a complete fraud.

01:17:26.120 It lasted about three weeks.

01:17:27.700 And then the whole house came crashing down because it was built on no foundation.

01:17:32.740 Yeah.

01:17:33.100 Just like her accents were a fraud.

01:17:34.920 We're going to win.

01:17:36.300 We're going to win.

01:17:37.480 Have you not decency, man?

01:17:39.280 Like it was just so fake.

01:17:43.480 I don't know.

01:17:44.180 I'm asking myself that same question, which is the bigger lie that he was competent to

01:17:48.460 do the job or that she was. 0.94

01:17:50.940 God, they're they're they're tied because Joe Biden was totally incompetent. 0.99

01:17:57.260 He did not have the mental acuity. 0.98

01:17:58.600 He still doesn't.

01:17:59.360 And he's still president right now.

01:18:00.440 I certainly couldn't do a second term. 1.00

01:18:01.600 And she I mean, in my lifetime, she's the biggest moron to ever run for president or 1.00

01:18:06.160 vice president ever. 1.00

01:18:07.320 And that became more and more obvious day after day.

01:18:10.500 And the reality is that Joe Biden knew that, which is one of the reasons why he was so

01:18:16.880 determined not to to to drop out.

01:18:19.680 And I don't blame him for on some level thinking that he would have been the better candidate

01:18:23.720 because it's hard to imagine how somebody could have been worse.

01:18:26.300 And on top, you know, I mean, he's at least proven over 50 years that he is a adept politician.

01:18:32.240 He knows how to win elections.

01:18:33.420 You know, in 2020, he won.

01:18:34.900 He was in the Senate for one for vice president.

01:18:37.040 Yeah, it's like even with his brain melting, there's still like a part of him that you just

01:18:40.320 kind of like you wind him up.

01:18:41.360 He's like, hey, I'm Scranton Joe.

01:18:43.360 And it's like an instinct that she completely lacks.

01:18:46.440 So I almost understand his his bitterness.

01:18:48.920 But the Democratic Party was in a huge bind because they knew she was not even close to

01:18:55.240 their strongest candidate.

01:18:56.260 The problem was, had they chosen Gavin Newsom or Josh Shapiro or even Gretchen Whitmer, there

01:19:02.620 were a lot of people on the base of the party on whom they rely who would have said, how dare

01:19:06.660 you pass the black woman by who was elected, who was at your side, who was next in line and

01:19:12.640 choose a white male or a white candidate instead.

01:19:15.420 And the identity politics framework that they created, that they thought would help them

01:19:19.880 has become their Frankenstein.

01:19:21.400 And they were trapped.

01:19:22.400 They could not. 0.90

01:19:23.140 They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

01:19:25.280 And they hope that the media would be able to create enough of a fraud that it would lift 0.91

01:19:29.640 her and hide her flaws. 0.92

01:19:30.880 And it just didn't come close to working.

01:19:33.780 It's amazing.

01:19:34.600 Thank God the American people saw right through it.

01:19:37.560 Now, they saw through most of the media lies.

01:19:40.020 I have to say, that's why Trump won.

01:19:41.520 But it wasn't for lack of trying on the media's part to mislead them.

01:19:45.740 And Grabian, who does these great mashups, put together some of the lies that we saw

01:19:50.680 from the media leading up to the election.

01:19:52.820 And just in 2024, we've only got a minute soundbite.

01:19:55.560 This could go on.

01:19:56.480 But here's a sampling.

01:19:57.500 Look at this.

01:19:58.080 Sot 9.

01:19:59.420 It's a growing and insidious trend in right-wing media, broadcast, print, and social media.

01:20:05.000 It is to take highly misleading and selectively edited videos and then use those videos to

01:20:12.180 spread messages virally to cast doubt on President Biden's fitness for office.

01:20:17.220 Tim Walsh beats America.

01:20:18.760 You know, a pox like a regular person. 1.00

01:20:20.920 Tim Walsh is the opposite of weird.

01:20:22.940 Happy warrior.

01:20:24.140 Folksy backstory.

01:20:25.180 Wicked sense of humor. 0.95

01:20:26.240 Look how happy the pig looks. 0.99

01:20:28.340 It's good.

01:20:29.180 It's hard to believe that J.D. Vance could be any more extreme.

01:20:32.120 It's like a freak show of bros. 0.98

01:20:34.180 Dark and ugly.

01:20:35.480 Beneath the dignity of most politicians.

01:20:38.820 J.V. Vance.

01:20:40.060 J.D. is at the far extreme.

01:20:42.460 The most extreme.

01:20:43.600 Being one of the most extreme.

01:20:44.540 Angry and mean and dark.

01:20:45.860 This guy is really weird, y'all.

01:20:47.040 A current president of the United States has so much respect for the law that he has said

01:20:53.160 he would not pardon his son.

01:20:54.980 And Joe Biden has very clearly said he would not pardon his son.

01:20:59.000 He would not commute his sentence.

01:21:00.660 How can Republicans keep making this argument now that Joe Biden has really put it out there?

01:21:05.440 This version of Biden is the best Biden ever.

01:21:11.620 That is amazing.

01:21:13.480 What a great montage of the lying, the lying they did, because every one of those, I believe

01:21:21.340 they knew they were lying.

01:21:24.420 You know, I want to despite how much I criticize media and journalists, or if you want to call

01:21:31.760 them that, journalists, if you're being very generous, I actually believe in journalism

01:21:35.780 a lot.

01:21:36.620 Like, a lot of times I'm criticizing it because I want us as a country to have good journalism.

01:21:41.540 It's absolutely crucial.

01:21:43.460 And one of the things that sickens me the most when I listen to montages like that, the lying

01:21:48.460 is very apparent.

01:21:50.160 It's the herd behavior.

01:21:51.540 They read from scripts.

01:21:52.940 And I don't mean this metaphorically.

01:21:54.140 I believe they get literal scripts.

01:21:55.820 You know, like two weeks ago when Elon Musk spoke out against the spending bill and it

01:22:03.820 ended up being sabotage.

01:22:05.420 And you saw this coordinated effort by the Democrats to call Elon Musk the president to

01:22:09.760 try and drive a wedge between him and Trump, which was so obvious.

01:22:12.760 Go look at how many Democratic politicians, how many people in media did that overnight.

01:22:16.720 They all copy one another.

01:22:17.940 They speak to one another first.

01:22:19.220 They pick up on each other's language cues.

01:22:20.940 There's no individuality.

01:22:22.060 It's supposed to be like a profession of iconoclastic, you know, adversarial spirit.

01:22:28.080 And there's none of that.

01:22:29.040 So not only are there all lies in that montage that you showed, it's all so redundant.

01:22:33.760 You turn on any one of those channels, you read any of their op-eds, they're all saying

01:22:37.120 exactly the same thing.

01:22:38.320 It's coordinated lying on top of just lying.

01:22:41.680 Exactly right.

01:22:42.520 That's why that weird thing about J.D. Vance caught fire because they all loved it so much.

01:22:47.360 It got for Tim Walls the nomination, which was great, as it turns out, for the Republican

01:22:51.260 ticket.

01:22:52.060 And once again, proves that they just don't have the power anymore.

01:22:56.720 The American public sees through these lies.

01:22:59.280 They knew Tim Walls was the weird one.

01:23:02.900 J.D. Vance is not weird at all.

01:23:05.980 He's actually quite normal, which is one of his best selling points.

01:23:09.800 Now, that's the Democrat Party.

01:23:11.820 The Republican Party does not and has not for a long time marched in lockstep.

01:23:16.960 They are like the big Italian family that airs its grievances very publicly. 1.00

01:23:23.100 And that brings me to Elon Musk versus Steve Bannon, which we will cover right after this quick

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01:26:10.380 Glenn, I mentioned this with Ben Shapiro, but there was an intra-party fight that erupted

01:26:15.640 over the past two weeks when it comes to H-1B visas, which allow foreign workers to come over

01:26:21.340 to the United States and work here.

01:26:23.160 And it was Musk and Vivek versus Steve Bannon and some core MAGA or working class supporters

01:26:31.840 too on whether these are a good thing or a bad thing.

01:26:35.420 Trump ultimately sided with Elon, but it kind of emerged after the weird Vivek tweet into more

01:26:42.260 of a fight between Elon and Bannon.

01:26:44.160 Those two, I mean, behemoths doing rhetorical battle.

01:26:47.320 And here's just an example of what Bannon said to Elon Musk on Bannon's show, you know,

01:26:54.280 not directly, but into the ether.

01:26:56.640 It's not 21.

01:26:57.620 You need to study modern political history of the fights we've been through for 12 or 14

01:27:03.760 years to get to this spot.

01:27:05.660 We're not having group hugs.

01:27:06.780 We're not having pats on the head.

01:27:08.420 I've said many times that Elon came and Elon's money helped organize the grassroots of it.

01:27:16.540 In his engineering mind, he saw what the problem was as we saw it and he supported it.

01:27:22.780 And for that, he gets a place at the table.

01:27:24.940 There's no doubt you should.

01:27:26.640 They're recent converts, but the converts sit in the back and study for years and years 1.00

01:27:32.400 and years to make sure you understand the faith.

01:27:34.580 Don't come up and go to the pulpit in your first week here and start lecturing people about

01:27:39.220 the way things are going to be. 0.98

01:27:40.460 If you're going to do that, we're going to get, and we're going to rip your face off. 0.96

01:27:43.820 Oh boy, Elon had tweeted, I don't know that this was directly to Steve Bannon, but had 0.96

01:27:50.560 tweeted, the reason I'm in America, along with so many critical people who built SpaceX,

01:27:54.500 Tesla, and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H-1B. 1.00

01:27:59.140 Take a big step back and fuck yourself in the face. 1.00

01:28:01.800 I will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. 1.00

01:28:07.740 So I mean, two extremely strong messages from two extremely strong messengers, both close

01:28:15.440 to Trump, both within the GOP.

01:28:17.660 Your take on it.

01:28:20.080 I think it's very healthy, despite obviously that political rhetoric sometimes gets overheated.

01:28:26.740 That's just the nature of people fighting about things that they strongly believe in.

01:28:30.240 But when I, you know, the reason I got interested in the Trump movement in 2016, I'd never found

01:28:37.360 Republican politics interesting before that, to be perfectly honest.

01:28:39.860 It was the Republican Party of George Bush and John McCain and Mitt Romney.

01:28:43.380 It was very predictable, very kind of state, very pro-establishment, was because Donald Trump

01:28:48.640 in the 2016 campaign, which remember was architected by Steve Bannon, Bannon's vision was to cleanse

01:28:55.320 not just Washington or the Democratic Party, but the Republican Party of a lot of its most

01:28:59.320 central, sacred orthodoxies.

01:29:02.440 Steve Bannon's plan for Donald Trump, as soon as he got into office, was to raise taxes on

01:29:07.360 the largest corporations and the richest, use that money for a bipartisan infrastructure

01:29:12.380 deal that would renew America and put people back to work.

01:29:15.480 And then number three, bargain with that to get funding for the wall.

01:29:19.040 That was Steve Bannon's nationalistic populist vision.

01:29:22.600 He ended up losing a power struggle to Jared Kushner, a much more kind of traditional Republican.

01:29:27.020 And the first Bush administration, Trump administration ended up doing things like

01:29:31.520 cutting corporate taxes and the like.

01:29:33.520 But that was the ethos out of which the MAGA movement began.

01:29:37.300 It's the reason why they hated Jeb Bush and the Bush family and those Republican lobbyists

01:29:41.100 and why Trump was able to mow one of them down after the next, despite all Republican

01:29:44.960 establishment money behind everyone except him.

01:29:47.280 And this conflict that absolutely still exists, there are a lot of people who are very, very

01:29:54.880 wealthy, who see themselves as citizens of the world, who are part of these gigantic corporations.

01:29:59.420 Elon does business in a lot of places with Tesla, like China and India.

01:30:03.280 They have a very different worldview than the nationalist populist who got behind Steve Bannon and whose

01:30:09.600 vision is very, very different on things like immigration.

01:30:12.200 And you see this playing out and you're going to absolutely see it playing out.

01:30:15.600 And it's so ironic, Megan, because you ask any liberal and they'll say, oh, the MAGA movement,

01:30:20.520 conservatives, they're a leader worshiping cult.

01:30:22.920 Everybody is told what to do.

01:30:24.540 They get into line behind Trump.

01:30:26.220 That's such projection.

01:30:27.480 That's what the Democratic Party has become.

01:30:29.140 The Democratic Party used to be that chaotic, but it's not any longer.

01:30:32.620 It's a party of lockstep adherence.

01:30:34.900 All the action of ideological conflict and vibrancy and political debate is on the right.

01:30:39.780 Mm hmm.

01:30:41.100 It's so funny to watch like Bannon, you got to hand it to him, has a way of condensing the issue 1.00

01:30:46.200 like converts sit in the back and then Elon not one to be trifled with with the fuck your 1.00

01:30:52.400 face. 1.00

01:30:52.920 I will die on this hill like it's it's on.

01:30:55.580 It's going to be a dramatic and fun and consequential, hugely consequential for years.

01:31:00.600 Um, quick sojourn back to, um, January 6th day, uh, they just did certify the electoral

01:31:08.920 college results without a single objection.

01:31:12.740 Uh, the joint session took roughly 30 minutes and Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 47th

01:31:19.900 president of the United States.

01:31:21.500 Yay.

01:31:21.880 On January 20th of this month.

01:31:24.960 Um, not everyone's happy about it.

01:31:26.960 And many people would like us to be more focused on the insurrection that he personally unleashed.

01:31:33.120 If you ask them, as we discussed earlier, they think it's as bad as like the Holocaust

01:31:38.700 and you don't have to take my word for it.

01:31:40.980 Here is Sonny Hauston of The View.

01:31:43.940 January 6th was an atrocity.

01:31:45.480 It was one of the worst moments in American history.

01:31:48.980 And when you, when you think about the worst moments in American history, uh, you know,

01:31:55.000 like World War II, um, things that happened, you know, like the Holocaust, chattel slavery.

01:32:03.660 Yeah.

01:32:04.400 The January 6th is right up there next to the Holocaust and slavery. 0.92

01:32:09.380 Glenn.

01:32:11.700 Just imagine how demented you have to be to believe that, but I can go back and show you

01:32:16.440 right around January 6th.

01:32:17.680 I'm sure you covered it for a year or two after at least most Democrats were comparing

01:32:22.000 it to Pearl Harbor and nine 11 saying this was the worst attack.

01:32:26.240 I mean, this is such insane desperation.

01:32:29.040 This is the sort of thing you do when you don't have anything to offer and you just hope

01:32:32.820 by being as melodramatic as possible that Americans are going to side with you.

01:32:37.600 And I mean, imagine what it's like, Megan, to wake up every day, go into their jobs.

01:32:43.400 Remember all the way up until the election.

01:32:45.160 The main theme was Trump is Hitler. 0.93

01:32:47.820 Trump's generals called him fascist. 0.62

01:32:50.820 I, you know, all that he wants to put Liz Cheney in front of a firing squad. 0.98

01:32:54.320 He's going to be a dictator on day one.

01:32:56.320 Imagine saying those things over and over and over and nobody listens.

01:33:01.000 Trump crushes the Democrats and you have to confront your own impotence, your own pointlessness.

01:33:06.780 The fact that nobody trusts you any longer.

01:33:08.860 They're fighting it.

01:33:09.860 They're not, I'm not saying they're engaged in self-reflection, but deep down they know 1.00

01:33:13.660 how discredited and pathetic they are. 0.99

01:33:15.980 And they brought it all upon themselves with things like this. 1.00

01:33:19.820 Mm hmm.

01:33:20.580 So that reminds me that last night, Hollywood held the Golden Globes and the comedian who

01:33:27.260 was the host, forgive me, I can't remember her name right now.

01:33:29.820 Nikki Glaser.

01:33:30.240 She started.

01:33:31.360 OK, yeah.

01:33:32.100 She started with a remark that was on point to the effect of there's so many powerful people

01:33:37.180 here.

01:33:37.460 There's absolutely nothing you could do except elect a president, which was good.

01:33:41.920 Correct.

01:33:42.680 Because everyone in that room probably voted for Kamala Harris. 1.00

01:33:46.320 And the one thing I wanted to raise with you was I didn't tweet a lot while I was on

01:33:51.740 my vacation.

01:33:52.480 I wanted to spend my time with my family.

01:33:54.440 You know, I really, really try.

01:33:55.940 I stay up on the news, but I try not to tweet or get to and do it just because, you know,

01:34:00.100 then it blows up in like a Twitter thing that's distracting and you're thinking about

01:34:03.760 it.

01:34:04.000 And I didn't want to be thinking about that.

01:34:05.440 I wanted to be thinking about my kids and the mountain.

01:34:07.880 OK, so but I did send a tweet out Sunday night, right, Sunday night or Saturday night, because

01:34:16.080 I made the mistake of watching the movie Conclave.

01:34:19.680 And I blame my husband, Doug, who said, let's watch the movie Conclave.

01:34:23.680 That's really all he did.

01:34:25.980 But we thought it was it was billed as a thriller involving the Vatican and the process of selecting

01:34:33.240 a new pope.

01:34:34.100 So that sounded kind of good.

01:34:35.180 I'm into thrillers.

01:34:36.040 I love thrillers, actually.

01:34:37.480 And I thought maybe there'd be like a murder and you have to figure out who done it or,

01:34:41.400 you know, I whatever in no world.

01:34:44.160 And yes, I am about to offer the spoiler of this movie.

01:34:48.820 And I hope you don't care because I hope you don't watch it.

01:34:52.760 I no world did I predict that the the big twist was they would elect a new pope.

01:34:58.620 The whole thing is about the process of electing a new pope who is intersex, who who is purportedly

01:35:05.220 a man, but has female reproductive organs.

01:35:09.360 That's the big twist at the end.

01:35:11.400 The truth is, there simply was no reason to think I was physically different from the other young

01:35:18.860 men.

01:35:20.960 Then in my late 30s, I had a surgery to remove my appendix.

01:35:27.440 And that was when the doctors discovered that I had a uterus and ovaries.

01:35:36.900 Some would say my chromosomes would define me as being a woman. 0.99

01:35:41.520 And yet I'm also, as you see me. 0.98

01:35:48.120 And along the way, every single cardinal you meet in the Catholic Church is disgusting, 0.95

01:35:54.900 except for, but not really even except for, the one liberal guy from America who's like 0.94

01:36:00.260 pushing for more women in the church and a bigger role for women. 0.97

01:36:03.040 But he turns out to be pretty craven, too. 0.99

01:36:04.860 They're all gross. 0.99

01:36:05.820 And then the only one who has any virtue is the one who's secretly a woman. 0.99

01:36:11.480 And then maybe Ralph Fiennes, who plays the cardinal shepherding the process, who then allows

01:36:17.140 said intersex pope to become pope without telling anybody. 0.91

01:36:23.580 And I tweeted out that this was disgusting, that it was anti-Catholic, that I was offended, 0.92

01:36:31.760 repulsed by what I saw.

01:36:33.160 And then somebody asked the screenwriter, it was based on a book written a few years

01:36:38.960 ago, the screenwriter, Peter Strawn, about my criticism, apparently, last night at the

01:36:44.500 Globes, saying she called it, me, anti-Catholic.

01:36:48.820 And he, quote, rejected my claim, saying, I don't think it is.

01:36:54.480 I was brought up Catholic.

01:36:56.100 Some of my best friends are Catholic.

01:36:58.120 He says, I was brought up Catholic.

01:37:00.340 I was an altar boy.

01:37:01.440 Well, Peter Strawn, those days are obviously long gone.

01:37:05.140 And he says, I think the core message of Conclave is about the church always having to

01:37:08.160 re-find its spiritual core because it deals with so much power.

01:37:13.080 I don't believe that at all.

01:37:15.600 It's not about having to re-find its spiritual core.

01:37:18.580 It was an attempt to embarrass and humiliate Catholics. 1.00

01:37:23.340 And I get it.

01:37:24.460 I understand that the Catholic Church has had its problems, Glenn, but I'm sick of this 1.00

01:37:28.540 bullshit because they always do this. 1.00

01:37:31.740 Whether it's Catholics or Christians, there is one religion that they love to mock, smear, 1.00

01:37:38.740 and belittle. 0.93

01:37:39.680 And if you look at all the times that they've mocked, smeared, and belittled religions, Catholicism

01:37:44.320 and Christians would be at the very, very top.

01:37:47.340 And there's not a second close contender.

01:37:50.280 And it's reflected in the write-ups of the movie.

01:37:53.200 Like Variety's Peter DeBruge calls this movie one of the most satisfying twists in years.

01:38:00.460 And that's what we're talking about.

01:38:02.040 A Hail Mary that boasts surprises and restores one's faith.

01:38:05.900 Maybe not everyone's, but certainly that of the disillusioned.

01:38:09.280 Vulture's film critic calls it sinfully entertaining. 0.95

01:38:12.120 They love to see the Catholics humiliated. 1.00

01:38:15.560 A film like this would never, never be made about Islam or Muslims. 0.98

01:38:21.960 Or Judaism. 0.98

01:38:23.240 So let me just-

01:38:23.900 Or Judaism. 0.98

01:38:24.320 This is the thing.

01:38:25.380 Yeah, so exactly.

01:38:26.800 So this goes back to what we were talking about before about journalists and interviewing

01:38:31.200 people adversarially.

01:38:32.720 If you see someone doing it to everyone, you can say, okay, that's what they do.

01:38:36.620 That's kind of an important function.

01:38:38.220 I remember when the Charlie Hebdo murder happened in Paris, and the idea was, no, we need to

01:38:45.460 make sure that we retain the right to satirize everything, including Islam, including the 1.00

01:38:49.740 things most sacred.

01:38:50.440 That's a really important part of society.

01:38:52.120 The problem is, is that especially in Hollywood, just like with these journalists, they don't

01:38:57.600 do it to everybody.

01:38:58.520 They don't.

01:38:59.020 They're not satirists.

01:39:00.020 They're not adversarial interviewers.

01:39:01.720 They're highly politicized with an agenda that's constantly concealed, yet very, very apparent.

01:39:06.940 And Hollywood is one of those institutions in the United States that until very recently

01:39:12.420 had been very powerful and very popular that has basically collapsed.

01:39:16.600 Nobody goes to these films any longer.

01:39:18.600 Everything is very fragmented.

01:39:20.360 You ask young people who they admire and who they think is most famous.

01:39:24.080 It's not Hollywood star makers anymore.

01:39:27.280 It's people on the internet.

01:39:28.880 It's YouTubers.

01:39:29.780 It's podcasters.

01:39:30.700 These are the people who they're following.

01:39:32.880 And one of the reasons why Hollywood has lost so much of its cachet, I think the same is

01:39:36.280 true for the media and so many of other institutions is because they're constantly engaged in political

01:39:42.240 advocacy, masquerading as culture, masquerading as journalism, masquerading as whatever.

01:39:47.660 And they become increasingly transparent and people just don't trust them anymore.

01:39:50.960 I didn't see the film, so I can't comment on that.

01:39:53.140 But that is definitely an overall trend.

01:39:55.520 Don't bother.

01:39:56.760 Don't bother.

01:39:57.280 Because it's like Ray Fiennes, I think they won for best screenplay, I think, and they

01:40:04.180 didn't win the other awards.

01:40:05.200 But Ray Fiennes was up.

01:40:06.780 Stanley Tucci's in it.

01:40:08.340 John Lithgow, of course, you know, he's another one who's a far left guy.

01:40:12.280 We made that clear in his portrayal of Roger Ailes and the bombshell movie and the interviews

01:40:15.920 thereafter, which I paid attention to for obvious reasons. 0.94

01:40:19.120 It's ridiculous.

01:40:20.540 And honestly, like I said to my audience before, I have a very high threshold for offense. 0.94

01:40:25.320 It's really hard to offend me.

01:40:27.700 I guess I'm not saying I was offended.

01:40:30.300 I didn't feel like deeply offended, but I was unsettled by what I saw.

01:40:34.680 I was pissed.

01:40:36.680 I just think that I'm sick of the Christian Catholic bashing by Hollywood.

01:40:42.360 And it's one of the other reasons why I can't stand that entire industry.

01:40:45.540 Glenn Greenwald, thank you, my friend.

01:40:47.980 Always great to see you, Megan.

01:40:49.200 Happy Insurrection Day.

01:40:51.020 You too.

01:40:52.200 All right, before we go, speaking of Hollywood, guess what?

01:40:54.780 Tomorrow, we have an exclusive interview with Brian Friedman, my lawyer, my friend, and the

01:41:02.540 lawyer who is now representing Justin Baldoni in a massive lawsuit against the New York Times

01:41:09.100 around Blake Lively and her allegations against Justin.

01:41:14.900 All right, so she is claiming some things about Justin.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 06, 2025

Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 976

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