The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Pushes Vibes Over Reality, and Walz ＂Stolen Valor＂ Questions, with Mark Halperin, Drew Holden, Stephen L. Miller, and Tom Behrends ｜ Ep. 857

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00:01:01.320 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:01:12.600 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:15.740 24 hours in and the love fest with the new Democratic ticket is on full display.

00:01:21.340 Some comparing Vice President Kamala Harris' search for her running mate to the reality show The Bachelorette.

00:01:27.820 Indeed, NBC News reports that those close to Ms. Harris say her choice came down to trusting her gut,

00:01:34.120 with one aide comparing it to finding a husband.

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00:01:37.880 Last night, the new pair's chemistry was on display for the first time as they held a rally in Pennsylvania.

00:01:46.180 The same state that is home to the VP also ran now Governor Josh Shapiro.

00:01:51.820 Kind of awkward.

00:01:53.060 Her choice, of course, was Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

00:01:56.380 He came out firing.

00:01:57.660 We're going to get into his performance in a minute, and we'll take a deep dive into his background.

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00:03:17.120 Welcome back, Mark.

00:03:18.200 Great to see you.

00:03:18.940 So have we learned anything more about how she chose Walls over Shapiro?

00:03:25.060 Well, the totality, Megan, of what I know suggests she chose him because he didn't come with much trouble

00:03:31.700 beyond his very liberal record as governor.

00:03:35.000 And while she was headed down a path to choosing Josh Shapiro, there's a bunch of things,

00:03:40.240 some issue-oriented, some personality, some based on her meeting with him,

00:03:44.640 that made it clear that on deadline, because she didn't have a very long runway here, 0.99

00:03:49.360 one guy was easy and the other guy was hard.

00:03:51.600 One guy had vast, almost universal popularity within the party.

00:03:56.340 The other guy, turns out, has some enemies within the party.

00:03:58.660 And she went with the path of least resistance, taking the risk on those liberal issue positions,

00:04:04.260 but avoiding a lot of the landmines that picking Shapiro would have brought.

00:04:07.420 Hmm. There is still a lot of speculation that the thing that did Shapiro in was effectively his last name,

00:04:16.000 that he's a Jewish man, because Walls has been pretty pro-Israel, as has Shapiro.

00:04:22.140 One of them is Jewish.

00:04:23.380 One of them isn't.

00:04:24.400 And while Shapiro may have had his detractors in the Democratic Party, like John Fetterman,

00:04:29.180 senator from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania,

00:04:31.800 it's Pennsylvania, which is far more important on this electoral map and in question than Minnesota.

00:04:38.720 So she's still going to have to deal with that.

00:04:42.820 I don't know that there's going to be an open backlash to her amongst Jewish liberals

00:04:46.980 who consider themselves Democrats.

00:04:49.200 But have we learned anything more about that factor?

00:04:51.620 I think it was a factor.

00:04:54.560 But again, it was a piece of this umbrella notion that Shapiro had a lot of issues.

00:05:00.960 I believe she was on track to pick him as recently as a week ago.

00:05:04.120 But what happened in that intervening week?

00:05:07.200 It was disclosed by Fetterman almost publicly through aides into a Politico story that he thought he was too ambitious.

00:05:14.120 That's a view held by a lot of senators and governors who know Josh Shapiro.

00:05:18.040 He's, you know, he's a very ambitious guy.

00:05:20.220 And like a lot of ambitious people in politics, he's rubbed some people the wrong way.

00:05:24.500 Would that preclude him from being picked?

00:05:26.100 No.

00:05:26.860 Would his position on Israel or his religion preclude him from being picked?

00:05:30.320 No.

00:05:31.400 But what happened was you saw over the last week negative stories about him in the press.

00:05:36.660 I call those turtles on a fence post.

00:05:38.340 They didn't get there by themselves.

00:05:40.100 And it demonstrated to the vice president's people that the guy had a lot of enemies and he had a lot of issues

00:05:45.540 that would have been factors, including his position on Israel, had he been picked.

00:05:49.700 And then we get to the meeting on Sunday where she meets face to face with those two.

00:05:54.580 And then Mark Kelly, who I don't think was really nearly as in serious consideration as Walton and Shapiro.

00:06:00.040 And it's a tale of two prospects.

00:06:03.040 One, who does what a normal, ambitious, potential vice presidential candidate does.

00:06:07.840 Let's talk about this.

00:06:09.220 What's the campaign going to be like?

00:06:10.700 How many of my people can I bring in?

00:06:12.660 If I'm on, if we do win, what's my role as vice president?

00:06:16.040 These are questions people like John Edwards and Al Gore, when they were up to be on our ticket, they asked.

00:06:21.540 You know, there's this famous thing now that if you're vice president, you demand that you're the last person in the room with the president.

00:06:28.000 When a decision is being made, the staff clears out and you and the president talk about it.

00:06:32.580 What did what was Walt's position?

00:06:34.640 Walt's position was, hey, you want me to be the last person in the room?

00:06:37.120 Great.

00:06:37.540 If you don't, all good.

00:06:39.700 And so on deadline, when she needs a united party headed into the convention in the fall, 0.93

00:06:43.700 one guy divides the party on Israel, but also on personality, on school choice, on a bunch of issues.

00:06:52.040 And the other guy was endorsed by Bernie Sanders and John and Joe Manchin.

00:06:57.500 I haven't heard a single Democrat express anything but enthusiasm about the pick.

00:07:01.980 And so his liberal positions are an issue.

00:07:04.580 There's no perfect candidates, as I said.

00:07:06.860 But on deadline, she could pick the guy where it's like, let's go integrated into the campaign. 0.65

00:07:12.100 No enemies, no threat of disrupting the convention.

00:07:16.300 And the other guy, a long list of potential problems, one of which was his last name, one of which was his image on Israel.

00:07:24.180 But I don't believe those were dominant.

00:07:26.020 I believe those were part of this umbrella notion.

00:07:28.320 One guy's easy.

00:07:29.680 One guy's hard.

00:07:32.400 I've been thinking about Walls since yesterday.

00:07:35.560 And he's the most radical they could find on the trans issue.

00:07:40.520 I mean, as I said yesterday, he's another Gavin Newsom.

00:07:43.480 There's just almost no daylight between those two, if any at all, which is an issue very important to me personally and my audience as well.

00:07:53.080 And all I could think, Mark, and here's a spoiler for the people who have not seen the movie, The Usual Suspects.

00:07:58.520 If you have not seen that movie, you should turn down the sound for the next two minutes because there's a big spoiler.

00:08:04.220 In that movie, Kevin Spacey plays this kind of sweet, maybe slightly off character who finds himself part of this gang of ne'er-do-well criminals.

00:08:19.820 And the whole movie, you know that there is a big boogeyman lurking named Kaiser Soze.

00:08:27.400 And Kevin Spacey's character gets dragged into the police station early on, and they are really tough on him.

00:08:32.180 They start questioning him.

00:08:32.980 Chaz Palmitari does a great job of cross-examining him.

00:08:35.580 And he seems kind of slightly duncy and kind of walks him through some facts around the alleged crimes, but tries to avoid becoming the center of attention.

00:08:44.700 And at the end of the movie, you find out that this guy doesn't have the limp he pretended to have, doesn't have like a bent hand that he pretended to have, that he's perfectly fine.

00:08:56.840 He struts off into the sunset, and we learn he was the bad guy all along.

00:09:02.200 And I have to tell you, Mark, that is how I'm feeling today about Tim Walz.

00:09:06.840 This guy scares me.

00:09:08.740 He scares me because he actually could become the vice president and potentially the president.

00:09:13.160 And I'm going to be honest with you in the audience.

00:09:16.760 I watched him last night, and I thought he was amazing.

00:09:21.500 He is a spectacular speaker.

00:09:25.200 He was charming.

00:09:27.360 He had that rally in the palm of his hand.

00:09:31.080 He's way more effective than she is or Joe Biden is.

00:09:35.260 And I genuinely feel like for the first time that I can remember, had like a feeling of fear rise up in my throat because I know what he's permitting in Minnesota when it comes to children.

00:09:50.940 Which, you know, we talk about one of the defining issues of our time is that the way we treat our animals, you know, our livestock, the way we kill them because we're going to eat them.

00:10:00.520 Nothing compares to what we are doing to minor children.

00:10:03.420 I get emotional over it.

00:10:05.880 This isn't going to happen to my kids.

00:10:07.300 My kids are good.

00:10:07.920 This isn't about a personal thing for me.

00:10:09.580 It's about everybody else's kids.

00:10:11.100 I care about children, and I'm really in horror at what we're doing in this country to them.

00:10:19.260 England has rolled back these puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones. 0.71

00:10:23.680 Scandinavia, all of these experimental laboratories for what he's pushing have all said we were wrong.

00:10:31.060 We were wrong.

00:10:32.280 And he is peddled to the metal, full steam ahead on all of it.

00:10:35.820 And so when I watched him dazzle last night, and I felt it.

00:10:40.100 I understood.

00:10:40.760 I'm not going to vote for him.

00:10:41.820 I've been honest about that.

00:10:42.860 But I recoiled.

00:10:46.000 Here's a little bit of what I'm talking about when he was at the Philadelphia rally last night.

00:10:52.840 Now, Donald Trump sees the world a little differently than us.

00:11:01.980 First of all, he doesn't know the first thing about service.

00:11:05.820 He doesn't have time for it because he's too busy serving himself.

00:11:09.520 He sows chaos and division.

00:11:13.360 And that's to say nothing of his record as president.

00:11:16.500 He froze in the face of the COVID crisis.

00:11:21.400 He drove our economy into the ground.

00:11:24.860 And make no mistake, violent crime was up under Donald Trump.

00:11:30.720 That's not even counting the crimes he committed.

00:11:32.880 In Minnesota, we respect our neighbors and their personal choices that they make.

00:11:38.720 Even if we wouldn't make the same choice for ourselves, there's a golden rule.

00:11:43.080 Mind your own damn business.

00:11:44.760 Vice President and I talk about freedom.

00:11:48.660 We mean the freedom to make your own health care decisions.

00:11:51.880 And for our children to be free to go to school without worrying they'll be shot dead in their classrooms.

00:11:57.540 He's I see why she chose him.

00:12:03.080 He's great and he's better than she is in his in his rhetoric.

00:12:08.100 So, Megan, you raised so many issues there, including his performance, what we can talk about.

00:12:15.520 But I want to start with the issue you raised first, something I've heard from other parents.

00:12:19.780 I'm a parent, too.

00:12:20.640 And I I the depth of emotion that you feel is something I've heard from others.

00:12:25.220 And anyone who doesn't respect that and anyone who's not eager to understand it, if they don't understand it on the face of it, should be eager.

00:12:32.740 This is a guy who was chosen in part because he has a record and a reputation for caring about reaching out to Trump voters and people who disagree with him on issues.

00:12:43.020 I would hope that he would he would make himself available to try to explain this position and related positions related to kids that maybe are misunderstood.

00:12:55.040 Maybe he's changed his mind on things as the vice president has started to do on a range of issues.

00:12:59.260 But if he really is legitimately concerned about being vice president for all the people and legitimately concerned about clearing up any misconceptions about where he stands on issues, where he has past positions that are deeply upsetting to folks, he should speak out about it.

00:13:15.200 Because right now he's allowing himself to be thought of as having positions that are not only offensive and troubling to people, but out of step with the majority of the American people.

00:13:26.940 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:27.920 Like allowing children to be taken away from the custody of their parents because the parents don't want to give them so-called gender affirming care, which is really sterilization and cutting off body parts. 0.71

00:13:42.320 That's that's what that is.

00:13:43.800 It's it's crazy.

00:13:46.440 He's not the only one, but he's as radicals.

00:13:49.400 They come.

00:13:49.740 Go ahead, Mark.

00:13:50.140 But now but now that he's putting put himself on a national ticket and now that he's got a pass that's being scrutinized, my preference is to not put you and others in a position of wondering what he really believes, wondering if he understands at a minimum the other side of these difficult issues.

00:14:07.460 And and is willing to address them, not just because it's upsetting to people, but because he's new to the national stage, he's asking to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

00:14:18.100 And we don't really have a clarity about where he is.

00:14:21.880 We know in looking at his record that he's got some positions on issues related to kids that people want to know more about.

00:14:29.260 And and it would be a shame if the dominant media's attempt to sequester these two away from any serious questions on any topic for the duration of the campaign won the day.

00:14:39.620 Because I think it's in everybody's interest, including his really, I have to be honest, I don't I don't have questions about it.

00:14:48.200 I totally understand where he stands.

00:14:50.080 Every single piece of legislation he has signed has been in one direction.

00:14:54.340 Yeah, I agree.

00:14:55.340 But I'd like to hear him address your concerns and at least express an intellectual and emotional and a parental sympathy for them.

00:15:03.000 If that's his position, let him let him enunciate it.

00:15:05.500 But let's have a dialogue. So because because his position on this issue, again, it's not the majority view and it's deeply upsetting to a lot of parents.

00:15:14.080 And if he'd like to have the possibility of winning their vote, it'd be great if he explained it.

00:15:19.720 He can disagree. Take the issue of abortion.

00:15:22.500 Lots of Americans disagree with his position on abortion.

00:15:24.900 Lots agree. But I'd like to know, when does he think life begins?

00:15:28.980 What does he think about third trimester abortions?

00:15:31.540 What does he think about the rights of the unborn?

00:15:33.720 I'd like to hear him discuss that in a context of putting himself forward for the job.

00:15:39.140 Even if he ends up disagreeing with a lot of Americans on some of these positions, whether he's taking the popular position or not.

00:15:45.540 Right now, it's just a matter, as you said, of familiarizing yourself with the record.

00:15:50.080 But he needs to talk about it in the national context because he's upsetting a lot of people.

00:15:53.980 And I'd say the same thing about the three other people on the national tickets.

00:15:57.140 They should do the same thing as well.

00:15:58.500 Yeah. I mean, but you have to give it to J.D. and Trump.

00:16:02.560 They'll talk to anybody. Trump showed up at the NABJ.

00:16:05.620 They do put themselves out there.

00:16:07.760 And she and he, not at all.

00:16:09.500 I won't hold it against him yet.

00:16:10.840 He's only been the nominee for 24 hours.

00:16:13.460 But here we are.

00:16:14.360 Give him another day.

00:16:15.880 More than two weeks into her campaign, Mark.

00:16:18.560 I said this on the air the other day.

00:16:20.340 If you go to her website, there's not a single policy position on there.

00:16:23.660 You have no idea.

00:16:24.820 I don't I actually don't know where Kamala Harris stands on virtually anything. 0.89

00:16:29.460 The trans stuff, I assume because she's been vice president for four years.

00:16:32.100 So I'm going to attach her to what Joe Biden did, which is just about as radical as you can get, though.

00:16:36.780 There's one step further you could go.

00:16:38.320 And Gavin and Tim Walsh have gone there.

00:16:41.480 But she doesn't put out anything like there's no policy positions.

00:16:44.980 There's just a bunch of Kamala Harris photos in pride gear.

00:16:48.100 That's literally what she's running on at the moment.

00:16:50.000 And the so-called vibes.

00:16:51.440 That's kind of more we heard last night.

00:16:53.780 How much longer can she go without sitting down?

00:16:57.880 Look, MSNBC is not going to do it.

00:16:59.940 Going over to super friendly territory.

00:17:01.500 They're not going to ask questions that the world wants answered.

00:17:05.560 They're only going to cater to hardcore Dems. 1.00

00:17:07.820 That's probably the only step she'll do, though.

00:17:10.100 Am I wrong?

00:17:10.560 No, look, she's got working for her people who are geniuses at understanding the biorhythms and rhythms of the press and of the public. 0.80

00:17:20.140 Brian Fallon, for instance, is one of her communications people.

00:17:23.560 They know what the traffic will bear.

00:17:25.280 They know exactly how to measure every day.

00:17:28.180 Do we need to put her out? 0.99

00:17:29.880 And where do we need to put her out? 0.98

00:17:31.420 It's like a it's like a very careful calibration.

00:17:34.160 So can we put her on a friendly podcast with a celebrity and then go to the press and say, hey, she's doing interviews. 1.00

00:17:41.200 She's just not doing interviews with you, the political media.

00:17:44.040 Do we need to do anything at all?

00:17:45.580 Or do we need to put her on 60 Minutes where she can typically you can typically get a pretty friendly interview if you give them the first exclusive? 0.98

00:17:53.380 So they're they're measuring it every day and the clock is running.

00:17:57.280 And it's not really in their interest to have a policy debate.

00:18:00.840 This election to me now is pretty simple.

00:18:02.820 The Republican, the Democrats want it to be about personality, vibes, momentum.

00:18:07.540 And Donald Trump's a bad guy.

00:18:09.500 And the Republicans want it to be about policy differentials.

00:18:13.560 Right.

00:18:14.440 They want it to be about the Biden-Harris record on immigration, inflation, crime.

00:18:19.480 And so for her to do interviews or put policy positions on the Web site is to play right into the hands of what the Republicans want the race to be about. 0.95

00:18:27.280 So you say she can't she can't do it.

00:18:30.340 I think she can unless the press decides, you know, that she has to.

00:18:34.240 And right now the press is back to rooting for her.

00:18:37.500 Yeah, they're they're in on it in a way, you know, not openly conspiratorial, but they're totally fine with running cover for her.

00:18:43.980 So now this will be the third election of Kamala and or Joe Biden, where we've been prevented from really hearing from and seeing them and seeing them pressed on their policy positions.

00:18:56.920 He was the basement campaign in 2020 thanks to covid.

00:19:00.140 And now we know other issues.

00:19:01.660 Then he ran again in 24 and he was hidden from us until he wasn't.

00:19:06.060 And the campaign fell apart.

00:19:07.740 And now she takes over and is the stealth candidate. 1.00

00:19:12.200 Once again, the American people are electing what we don't know.

00:19:16.240 We don't elect vibes.

00:19:17.260 We need somebody who we trust, who we understand, who's we we can get behind their policies or we can't.

00:19:23.680 It's I don't know what this says about us, Mark, that we seem to be ready to allow this.

00:19:30.360 Well, every every election is different.

00:19:32.340 Why would we, quote, we be, quote, ready to allow it?

00:19:35.660 Part of it is because the other candidates, Donald Trump and all the press and a very high percentage of the American people will take any steps, including ignoring the mental and physical decline of the incumbent president to make sure Donald Trump is beaten.

00:19:49.880 That's just a reality of the mindset of the Democratic Party and its allies in the dominant media.

00:19:55.420 Right now, as I said, they know exactly how to calibrate, whether she needs to answer any questions and whether there'll be debates or not, whether she'll do interviews or not, press conferences.

00:20:07.960 Now, I will say if she does those things, don't assume it's going to cause her political damage. 0.95

00:20:13.420 She's always been underrated because of the public image she's developed as vice president. 0.99

00:20:17.100 But leaving aside the questions of whether it would hurt her political chances, obviously, as you've suggested, it'd be great to know where she stands on, say, China or tax cuts or anything else beyond just saying, well, she's got the same positions as Joe Biden.

00:20:33.200 But I'm not optimistic about it because it's not in her interest at this point and may not be till after the election for her to talk and answer questions.

00:20:41.480 We're going to get to November 5th.

00:20:43.120 We'll have no idea what the policies are.

00:20:45.120 At best, we've had a campaign spokesman issue a paper statement saying she disavows this position from 19 and that position from 19, all of which she could get out of and say the person was confused that she didn't speak for me.

00:20:57.320 I never said I mean, we have no idea what we're looking to elect.

00:21:02.000 Let me go back to Tim Walls for a second, because one of the roles of the vice presidential candidate is to be the attack dog.

00:21:09.680 And he was, including some very low blows.

00:21:15.020 There have been low blows on the other side as well.

00:21:17.580 Very aware of that, including from the top of the ticket.

00:21:20.020 But here's how he sounded last night.

00:21:21.860 Like all regular people I grew up with in the heartland, J.D. studied at Yale, had his career funded by Silicon Valley billionaires, and then wrote a bestseller trashing that community.

00:21:35.640 Come on! 0.61

00:21:37.500 That's not what middle America is. 0.59

00:21:40.600 And I got to tell you, I can't wait to debate the guy.

00:21:43.880 That is, if he's willing to get off the couch and show up.

00:21:55.220 So, you see what I did there?

00:22:01.460 See what I did there?

00:22:02.980 Repeating the smear, totally false and debunked lie.

00:22:06.560 The guy who started the lie has already given interviews talking about how he lied about J.D. with some couch just to besmirch the man.

00:22:12.940 And now you have a vice presidential candidate repeating it.

00:22:15.560 Listen, before I get too high on my horse here, I lived through Donald Trump suggesting Ted Cruz's father had assassinated JFK.

00:22:24.180 Another lie.

00:22:25.380 So, I'm not claiming that there's any high ground there.

00:22:28.560 But as a citizen, I get the right to object.

00:22:31.680 And by the way, I haven't seen J.D. Vance engage in this kind of behavior.

00:22:35.420 I mean, they are so threatened by his background, Mark, that what kind of a guy from the heartland goes to Yale?

00:22:43.460 That's so dishonest.

00:22:44.920 If you read his memoir or know anything about the guy, it's a miracle he wound up at Yale.

00:22:50.700 He was a child of abuse.

00:22:53.160 No dad, drug-addled mom, man after man in the house, including very abusive domestic violence, things he witnessed and was potentially part of.

00:23:03.780 And somehow, after joining the Marines, found himself at Ohio State and managed to do so well because he was a smart kid, he got a break and got into Yale, where Amy Chua took him under her wing.

00:23:16.980 That is so gross.

00:23:18.740 I guess I shouldn't be grossed out because politics are gross.

00:23:22.940 Well, again, lots to unpack.

00:23:24.460 I'd say I want to make two statements that make people clear where I come from.

00:23:30.020 I'm not here rooting for either side or rooting against either side.

00:23:33.800 I'm for the American people.

00:23:34.840 So, when I make analytical statements about where I think things are, they're not because I want one side or the other.

00:23:41.180 I just want the American people to win.

00:23:43.240 And there's a difference between what is and what ought to be.

00:23:45.660 What is, is I don't think Governor Walz will make that joke again.

00:23:50.500 I think it's way off brand for him.

00:23:52.660 He'll continue to make little jives about the Republican ticket, but I don't think he'll make that joke again, would be my guess.

00:23:57.880 Other people will.

00:23:59.220 As you said, the Republican Party under Donald Trump is in no position to be on their fainting couches over personal attacks from the Democrats.

00:24:08.960 Just zero credibility to do that.

00:24:11.140 I will say this.

00:24:13.140 I think it's not a purposeful Democratic plan, but the Republicans are burning up days on social media and from the Trump campaign going after Governor Walz.

00:24:23.180 I don't believe they'll win the election after Governor Walz.

00:24:25.940 There's no history of that.

00:24:26.880 Most Republican strategists I know with records of winning would like every remaining day the message from Donald Trump on down to be the record of Harris and Biden on the economy, inflation, immigration.

00:24:40.280 And so as a political matter, a lot of people are upset about that lame joke from last night.

00:24:45.420 But a lot of Republicans tell me we got it.

00:24:48.700 We got to avoid getting caught going after the little shiny object every day, particularly from the bottom of the ticket, as opposed to the top of the ticket.

00:24:56.880 Right. Right.

00:24:57.900 Last question.

00:24:59.740 Not over the fact that Trump went to Georgia and ripped on Brian Kemp, who's this incredibly popular Republican governor in a state.

00:25:08.140 Trump must win.

00:25:10.620 Yeah, I don't get it, Mark.

00:25:11.960 I don't purport to understand all of Trump's decisions.

00:25:17.320 Was it like ego just needs to do it because he doesn't like Kemp and Kemp doesn't like him and he just needs to express his loathing for the man and his wife, who's also said something negative about Trump.

00:25:30.380 But, I mean, it's not surprising given all the things he said about her husband.

00:25:34.940 Is it ego?

00:25:36.060 Is there something?

00:25:36.860 Because I think like the comment about is Kamala really black to the NABJ, I think that was calculated. 1.00

00:25:41.960 The thing about Kemp, I think, was emotional.

00:25:44.680 Yeah.

00:25:45.180 Well, that's a three day story so far.

00:25:48.960 And it's really annoyed a lot of people in the Republican Party who like Governor Kemp and think, as your question suggested, that they'd probably be better off working in tandem rather than in opposition.

00:25:58.940 Three days of 90 days.

00:26:00.400 I'm not great at math, but that's a pretty high percentage of the days remaining.

00:26:03.340 And again, most Republican strategists I know, including the ones working for Donald Trump, say every day we're not talking about the Biden-Harris record on crime, inflation and immigration and America's role in the world.

00:26:14.720 We're wasting time.

00:26:16.300 If Kamala Harris can skate through with the media's help and get to Election Day and early voting and voters say she can be a good steward of a good economy and she can be a tough and intimidating commander in chief, I think she'll win. 1.00

00:26:29.040 The only way to undermine that is to talk about the record and to kind of smoke her out on it and talking about Brian Kemp.

00:26:35.960 Is it ego?

00:26:37.100 Is it sensitivity?

00:26:38.060 No, I've been told that he was told Kemp had been invited and hadn't shown and was angry about that, which is not true.

00:26:44.040 He hadn't been invited, I'm told.

00:26:45.300 But even if true, even if they'd invited him and said, you know, the former president would like you to be his personal guest, it is just madness to waste the news cycle plus two additional ones going after the guy and his wife.

00:26:58.740 So I can't explain it.

00:27:00.700 I long ago learned, unlike some of our colleagues, to stop looking for the new Trump.

00:27:06.260 The new Trump's never coming.

00:27:08.160 The old Trump.

00:27:08.840 There was a bunch of nonsense after the assassination attempt that he changed.

00:27:12.880 I never said that and I didn't believe that.

00:27:15.300 And he hasn't.

00:27:16.760 But but I will say I will say all that notwithstanding, he still has more electoral college paths today and a better chance of winning Georgia than Vice President Harris does.

00:27:26.500 So he's still got a better a better positioning than she does, but he's not helping himself.

00:27:32.380 And I don't know, his interview on Fox and Friends this morning was just a classic sprawling mess where he talked about a million different things and barely talked about what the campaign thinks he should be talking about.

00:27:42.560 He has a high incentive, not just to win the presidency, but to stay out of prison.

00:27:46.980 And yet he's he's not he's not currently on top of this game.

00:27:50.900 Now, maybe there'll be debates and they'll do well.

00:27:53.020 Maybe he'll find a way to start being on message.

00:27:55.080 But but but the the the experience of I agree with you about the black journalists event.

00:28:01.240 I think he purposely wanted to change the topic and it worked.

00:28:04.780 But there's no upside that anyone in the world could invent, even Ivanka and and Don Jr.

00:28:11.220 And and Eric.

00:28:12.520 There's nothing you can invent to say attacking the Republican governor of Georgia, who's popular, is a good idea.

00:28:17.880 There's just no upside to it.

00:28:19.280 I mean, I don't see it.

00:28:20.400 I realize Kemp is more establishment, you know, so maybe it's Trump again, like it's me versus the establishment.

00:28:26.360 But he's beloved.

00:28:27.340 The main point is he's beloved in a state Trump must win.

00:28:30.740 And Trump owes his fans and supporters better than to F with Georgia yet again that that this feud has already cost Republicans in Georgia enough.

00:28:43.320 Exactly.

00:28:43.920 They've got two Democratic senators, thanks to this exact same dynamic and pretty liberal Democratic senators. 0.56

00:28:50.320 And and yet he doesn't.

00:28:51.560 And and and no one was surprised he did it.

00:28:54.000 People were angry in the party that he did, but no one was surprised.

00:28:57.220 And and it's going to be a challenge to get him to focus on policy.

00:29:01.840 It's not what he likes.

00:29:02.800 He likes personality contests because when he ran against Hillary Clinton, that served him well.

00:29:07.260 A personality contest against Kamala Harris.

00:29:10.160 And as you yourself acknowledge this, this very talented communicator on the ticket with him with her, it's going to be difficult to win that personality contest.

00:29:19.240 In fact, probably I think he can win against her, but she needs to be fronted.

00:29:23.960 Not this version, not this version of her, not the version of her.

00:29:26.520 Now, the press is now, you know, I mean, yes, the profile version, too.

00:29:30.080 But I agree.

00:29:30.580 The press is creating a false caricature.

00:29:32.840 Can I can I read you one thing that was in the New York Times that I just find so hilarious.

00:29:37.500 So all this coverage of her is so fawning about her cooking and her going to restaurants.

00:29:42.900 And but so this is from the New York Times story about the buddy buddy relationship between her and the vice president.

00:29:47.920 Ms. Harris, a black woman in the unrelenting spotlight of national politics, wears broad shoulder suits, pearls and heels, sometimes crisps chucks. 0.99

00:29:58.200 She marshals an arched brow, a studied hand flip, carefully curated sentences.

00:30:03.580 Her wave is controlled.

00:30:04.820 Her eyes always fixed on a distant point.

00:30:07.980 Her movements smooth.

00:30:09.080 That's like from a poetry contest sponsored by the DNC about why do you love Vice President Harris?

00:30:15.640 That's in the New York Times.

00:30:17.060 They have never written a paragraph like that about Donald Trump.

00:30:20.840 And so I say carefully curated sentences.

00:30:24.640 Carefully curated sentences.

00:30:26.700 Her wave is controlled.

00:30:28.120 I don't even know what that means.

00:30:29.120 Her wave is controlled.

00:30:29.960 Like her eyes always fixed.

00:30:33.180 Exactly.

00:30:33.740 Her eyes always fixed on a distant point.

00:30:35.980 Again, don't know what that means.

00:30:37.880 Her movements smooth.

00:30:39.640 So when you say she he can't win a personality contest against her, he can't win a personality contest against the Julia Louise Dreyfuss deep real life deep version of her.

00:30:48.480 But the version of her who's performed exceedingly well, again, not a partisan statement, a factual one in the controlled settings where she's the candidate of the future who now has rallies that rival his in terms of enthusiasm and crowd size and that they become cultural events, transcending political events.

00:31:06.400 That version of her.

00:31:07.900 I don't know that he can win a personality contest because if you ask Trump supporters, why don't you like him?

00:31:12.100 It's his personality.

00:31:13.100 Even his own voters don't like it.

00:31:15.080 And the 50 percent plus people in the country.

00:31:16.940 Yeah. And the 50 percent plus people in the country who don't like him, they hate his personality.

00:31:22.360 So I do think she can he can't win a personality contest against this version of Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:31:29.780 You know, it occurs to me, Mark, that.

00:31:33.200 After Trump was almost assassinated and then we went to the RNC.

00:31:38.720 Republicans were jubilant for many reasons, but one of them was.

00:31:42.900 They had just had a near death experience.

00:31:44.820 Their candidate had and as a result, they had it was scary.

00:31:49.740 They were relieved he was OK.

00:31:51.460 They were relieved the country was not going to go through whatever would have followed.

00:31:55.000 And they were feeling good in the polls, of course, too.

00:31:58.420 Well, the Democrat Party had its own near death experience as a result of that debate.

00:32:03.580 And Joe Biden falling precipitously in the polls in places like Rhode Island, places like New Mexico, places like Minnesota.

00:32:12.960 And they knew it, that they were on the brink.

00:32:15.840 And now they're back.

00:32:17.040 They're back from the dead.

00:32:18.320 And they're having that same exultation, the exuberation that comes with having dodged a bullet.

00:32:24.260 And that's one of the things we're seeing at the Kamala Harris rallies now.

00:32:28.620 Not necessarily about her, the woman, but their chances.

00:32:32.900 I'll give you the last one.

00:32:33.460 Totally agree.

00:32:34.140 Totally agree, Megan.

00:32:34.880 You felt it in the halls in Milwaukee, right?

00:32:38.280 Relief, unity, and excitement about a unified future.

00:32:43.480 You're going to feel that in Chicago.

00:32:45.120 I'm quite certain, at least in the hall.

00:32:46.940 Relief, as you said, same kind of feeling.

00:32:49.640 Phew, we dodged a bullet, a figurative bullet that Joe Biden is no longer heading a doomed ticket.

00:32:54.620 A sense of unity fostered in part by the party, a historic top of the ticket, and a new vice president who's universally popular within the Democratic Party's elite level.

00:33:06.800 And then again, a sense of purpose of, we can win this thing.

00:33:10.480 In Milwaukee, they were sure they were going to win.

00:33:12.980 Now, Republicans are less confident than Democrats.

00:33:15.320 She's taken two things away from Donald Trump.

00:33:18.080 She's taken it from his party.

00:33:20.960 Confidence and excitement.

00:33:23.680 And he's going to have to figure out how to get those back because she's probably going to have that this week with all the events she's going to do.

00:33:30.040 Cookie cutter from last night in the battleground states.

00:33:32.560 And then during the week of the convention.

00:33:34.520 So he needs to figure out how to take it back from the end of August into September.

00:33:38.740 Confidence and enthusiasm have been Donald Trump's hallmarks.

00:33:41.380 And I'm sure he's more than a little bit confused and frustrated that those have been taken away from him by someone who even Joe Biden and Barack Obama wouldn't have said a few months ago had any chance of being the confident and enthusiasm candidate.

00:33:55.180 Even they underestimated this media and what it will do.

00:34:01.160 Mark, great to see you.

00:34:02.860 Good to see you.

00:34:03.500 Thank you, Manny.

00:34:04.420 Okay.

00:34:04.820 Back with a very interesting guest on Tim Walz's military history.

00:34:08.820 At the rally last night in Philadelphia, Governor Tim Walz also spoke about his military career and how he, quote, proudly wore the uniform of this nation.

00:34:22.280 Governor Walz joined the National Guard when he was 17 years old and served for 24 years.

00:34:26.780 But some veterans who served with Mr. Walz say when the nation and his fellow soldiers needed him most, Mr. Walz retired instead of being deployed to Iraq.

00:34:39.800 Effectively, that he dodged it.

00:34:41.640 He saw it coming.

00:34:43.040 And instead of fulfilling his obligation, he left early and ran for office.

00:34:48.000 One of the service members publicly criticizing Mr. Walz is Tom Behrens.

00:34:52.300 And he joins me now.

00:34:53.520 Tom, thank you so much for being here.

00:34:54.940 So you served with Mr. Walz in the same unit.

00:35:01.020 Is that right?

00:35:02.220 I was in the same battalion in 2004.

00:35:06.700 And then I got promoted into the division, division artillery, actually, the Vardy.

00:35:12.880 And then he stayed in the one of the 125 and was selected to be the acting command sergeant major at that time.

00:35:19.300 So we were together in the Europe deployment that we did in 2003 and 2004.

00:35:26.100 Okay, right.

00:35:26.580 Both of you were overseas in Europe, not in Iraq or Afghanistan as of that time.

00:35:32.660 But then in early 2005, my understanding is your unit got notified that it was going to be deployed to Iraq.

00:35:40.520 Correct.

00:35:41.000 Correct.

00:35:42.000 It got a warning order, which basically gets everybody prepared that, hey, this is coming.

00:35:47.280 Get your will in order.

00:35:49.400 Let your family know.

00:35:50.940 Pack your bags.

00:35:52.480 All that type of stuff.

00:35:54.880 We're going to be training.

00:35:57.000 Just kind of prepares you to get in the mindset that, yep, you're going to be going to war.

00:36:00.960 Or wherever you're going in your deployment.

00:36:06.520 And he, at that time, was the command sergeant major of the unit?

00:36:12.080 He was, yep.

00:36:13.020 Acting is kind of what we call it.

00:36:14.820 You're conditionally promoted at that point.

00:36:17.160 You're aware, you know, when you receive the rank, if you don't have the sergeant major's academy completed,

00:36:24.080 then you are conditionally promoted on the condition that you pass those requirements,

00:36:30.640 you know, which number one is, is, is, is attending and passing the United States Army Sergeant Major's Academy,

00:36:36.800 which is in Fort Bliss, Texas.

00:36:38.440 And then the other one is, is staying in the military for two years after they've invested all that money in your, in your education.

00:36:46.880 And for the record, he did neither of those things.

00:36:48.800 But let's start, let's start with the Iraq deployment, because the unit, including Mr. Walls,

00:36:55.360 gets the notification that you're about to be deployed to Iraq in 2005, when it was, it was rough over there.

00:37:02.900 And he had, we know from the reporting by Alpha News, he had, in 2001, signed a commitment to stay for another six years.

00:37:13.860 He re-enlisted for another six years, which would have put his departure date at 2007 from the National Guard.

00:37:20.080 Instead, he left.

00:37:22.220 He retired before your unit got deployed.

00:37:26.700 And when this controversy came up, when he first ran for office,

00:37:30.080 he tried to say, I only re-enlisted for four years,

00:37:34.220 which would have taken him to 2005,

00:37:36.720 and still would have not excused him leaving before the deployment.

00:37:40.120 It still was too early.

00:37:41.060 But the truth is, it was six years.

00:37:44.880 He should have been there through 2007, according to Alpha News,

00:37:47.580 which got its hands on the National Guard documents.

00:37:51.900 In particular, his report of separation in military service form,

00:37:55.240 showing he re-enlisted for six years,

00:37:57.260 with his service obligation being complete on September 18th, 2007.

00:38:00.980 I want to tell the audience, when Alpha News reached out to Walls,

00:38:04.060 to clarify the inconsistencies between his story

00:38:06.980 and the official documents they had obtained,

00:38:09.780 the campaign, quote,

00:38:10.800 would not answer questions on the duration of Walls' re-enlistment.

00:38:15.720 So let's go back to you.

00:38:17.780 It's 2005.

00:38:19.280 Instead of going with the unit and being the command sergeant major in Iraq,

00:38:24.780 he quits.

00:38:25.540 And what happens next to you and the other guys you're serving with?

00:38:31.100 Well, in the fall of 04, just stepping back a little bit,

00:38:35.720 when the selection process was done,

00:38:38.340 I was selected to a position in DeVardy, which is Division Artillery,

00:38:46.020 which is, you know, he was selected into the one of the 125 Field Artillery Battalion,

00:38:50.600 which I was a member.

00:38:52.060 We were both first sergeants together.

00:38:54.040 So, you know, I went one way.

00:38:56.460 I went to DeVardy to Division.

00:38:57.820 He stayed in the 125.

00:38:59.320 And then when the warning order came out,

00:39:01.740 the 125 ended up being part of the 1st Brigade.

00:39:05.620 So they were the ones that were after notified that they were going to war.

00:39:09.960 And I was at Division, and Division wasn't notified.

00:39:13.380 So I was kind of like, well, it must not be my time.

00:39:16.980 You know, I'm in Division, I'm here, I'm just going to keep working.

00:39:22.140 And, you know, if Division gets activated, I'll go.

00:39:24.200 But that's what happened with that at that point.

00:39:27.320 So I wasn't in the 125 at that point, one of the 125 Field Artillery, and he was.

00:39:33.020 So when 05 rolled around, he got notified.

00:39:37.120 I mean, they all knew what was going to happen.

00:39:39.660 I mean, it was right on the dock.

00:39:40.940 It was going to be Iraq. 0.99

00:39:42.600 The warning order was out there from March until May.

00:39:45.500 And then May rolled around, and the rumor came out across the state

00:39:50.280 that he had quit, turned his stuff in, and slithered down the steps out of the armory

00:39:57.500 and had quit and retired.

00:39:59.780 And everybody was in shock because senior NCOs don't do that.

00:40:05.600 I mean, you basically train for years and years.

00:40:09.060 You're with your soldiers.

00:40:10.260 Your soldiers are literally like your kids almost.

00:40:13.420 I mean, you've watched them grow up.

00:40:15.720 You've helped them shoot guns and learn how to do the radio stuff and, you know,

00:40:23.300 fix wounds if you can and different things.

00:40:25.860 And then all of a sudden, when it's time to go do your thing with that, you quit.

00:40:30.940 I mean, that just absolutely was just – it was just disgusting.

00:40:34.340 It was – people were like, well, what is he, a coward, whatever.

00:40:37.760 Nobody knew what the answer was.

00:40:39.840 And then – and I pretty much knew, well, no, I'll probably be a fool to call

00:40:43.140 because I'm a 13 Bravo artillery guy.

00:40:47.380 And, you know, then I got the call about a – not quite a month later.

00:40:52.220 I mean, it was a few weeks.

00:40:53.620 And then they – you know, they – my colonel called.

00:40:56.600 And, you know, it was just weird.

00:40:58.100 I was out in one of my farm fields, and I was talking to him.

00:41:00.740 And he's like, well, you know, you're – we're asking you to go.

00:41:03.920 And then there was a horseshoe laid on the ground.

00:41:06.360 And I always call it my lucky horseshoe.

00:41:08.080 But other people said, how can you say that's lucky you went to war?

00:41:11.040 And I was like, oh, I got to serve my country in a greater capacity,

00:41:14.700 and I got to help protect my soldiers and do whatever I could to make the deployment

00:41:19.580 as good as it could be because it was – you know, like you said,

00:41:24.320 it was a tough time in the country then.

00:41:26.220 So you went, and how long was the unit deployed for?

00:41:32.260 We were gone all the way until July of 2007.

00:41:37.640 So when we started in – it was 22 months total.

00:41:40.480 We had a six-month train up at Camp Shelby, Mississippi,

00:41:44.160 and then we ended up – we were supposed to be a year in country.

00:41:47.480 We were supposed to be an 18-month deployment.

00:41:49.460 But then all the sectarian violence started in, you know, in 06, late 06.

00:41:56.000 And then January of 7, then we got extended to help out.

00:42:02.280 We were involved in the surge, basically.

00:42:04.540 But we were already in a country, so they just kept us in place

00:42:07.360 and moved more soldiers in to try to call the violence.

00:42:13.120 Can you just give us a feel for how rough that time was?

00:42:18.040 I remember covering it as a reporter.

00:42:19.900 2006 was when the beheadings started.

00:42:22.000 It just started to get very, very dark, even darker than you'd expect for war.

00:42:27.960 You were there.

00:42:29.360 So were the men who had served under him.

00:42:31.500 He was supposed to be there, according to these documents.

00:42:35.040 What was it like for you guys?

00:42:36.420 Well, when I got home, I kind of looked at some of our ground squirrels running around.

00:42:43.700 And, you know, they're always on the alert.

00:42:45.860 They're looking for a hawk to fly down or a badger to dig them out of the hole.

00:42:50.660 I mean, you always think you're going to tell them all when it boils down.

00:42:53.760 I mean, we didn't even, we didn't know, really, that we were going to get out of there

00:43:00.700 until we got on the last Chinook to fly out.

00:43:04.240 And even then, there was stuff flying in the air at us, chasing us out of country, almost.

00:43:10.300 I mean, it was really a trying time.

00:43:13.340 And, you know, it was, it was, they are a thinking enemy.

00:43:18.120 I mean, Iran was behind all of the crap that was shot at us.

00:43:20.940 I mean, it was from the explosive form projectiles to the mortars to the Katusha rockets to the

00:43:26.780 training of the people that went across the border and then came back and then used all

00:43:31.400 those tactics, techniques and procedures against us.

00:43:34.080 I mean, they, they literally were the, you know, the, the people behind the scenes in our

00:43:39.500 area.

00:43:39.860 We were Shiite areas.

00:43:41.260 So they, they were the, they were the, you know, the people killing us were the proxies 1.00

00:43:46.840 of Iran.

00:43:47.480 And when Donald Trump got rid of Salami, Salami, Salami, or whatever his name was, he was

00:43:54.020 the architect of all the people in my area that died.

00:43:57.280 I mean, he was the, he has 3,000 people on his head, I think.

00:44:01.200 But yeah, it was a, it was a, it was a rough time.

00:44:04.260 I mean, we, we did what we could and kept everybody safe as much as we could.

00:44:08.860 We, we drug out some old 120 millimeter mortars and shot them back at them.

00:44:14.840 And, you know, kind of got them.

00:44:16.460 They didn't like getting shot.

00:44:17.920 I'll tell you that.

00:44:18.880 That kind of put them on their toes, but.

00:44:21.960 I'll bet.

00:44:22.820 I know that you wrote in October of 18 on Facebook, you've been trying to raise this

00:44:28.600 issue.

00:44:29.160 I should point out, you've been trying to raise this issue since he first ran for

00:44:32.400 Congress.

00:44:33.020 Once he ran for governor, you, you tried to tell the media in Minnesota, you need to know

00:44:37.560 the truth about him, that he left us.

00:44:39.940 He quit and almost nobody picked up the story.

00:44:43.340 The papers that you sent your letter to wound up endorsing him like the star tribune and

00:44:49.060 ignoring you.

00:44:50.340 And so this is the first time you're really getting, I think, a national audience to,

00:44:56.240 to say what you say is the truth about governor walls and alpha news confirms.

00:45:01.800 You posted something in 2018 when he ran for governor along with two other people.

00:45:08.180 With another, another retired army command sergeant, a major who is named Paul Herr.

00:45:13.800 And before posting the letter, you wrote a message on why you wanted to bring this story

00:45:19.320 out.

00:45:19.680 It reads in part as follows.

00:45:21.720 On 9-11, as I lowered the flags to half staff at the Brewster Veterans Memorial, I gazed at

00:45:28.240 the bronze likeness of Sergeant Kyle Miller, who was killed in action in Iraq on June 29th,

00:45:34.600 2006, at age 19 while serving in the 125th Field Artillery Battalion.

00:45:40.100 I wondered what that patriot thought that day in 2001, a teenager in school.

00:45:45.560 And I wondered what all the other patriots who had joined the service after 9-11 thought

00:45:49.320 on that day.

00:45:50.100 When they joined, we were at war, which we still are.

00:45:52.940 And getting the call to go is probably going to happen.

00:45:56.560 What if everybody said, sorry, I've got better things to do.

00:46:01.400 We are the land of the free because of the brave.

00:46:04.340 We are not the land of the free because of those who ran. 1.00

00:46:08.120 The citizens of the state of Minnesota deserve to hear this side of the story, not just a

00:46:14.200 slithery politician's version of what he wants people to hear.

00:46:19.440 Do you feel, Tom, that he cut and ran, that he abandoned the unit?

00:46:25.300 Absolutely.

00:46:26.140 I look back on what took place then.

00:46:30.640 I mean, it wasn't like, oh, I just happened to get out.

00:46:33.800 And then a week later, the paper came out and the warning order came out.

00:46:37.320 And I just happened to time it just right.

00:46:40.180 And I knew that was going to happen.

00:46:41.640 I mean, the warning order was already out.

00:46:45.940 Everybody knew they were going.

00:46:47.960 And I don't know if he's never responded why to anybody really except that, well, I

00:46:54.860 have to quit to run for Congress, which is a lie, like a lot of the other ones, a lot

00:46:59.560 of the lies he tells.

00:47:01.740 But he basically said that.

00:47:04.400 But I don't know if he was a coward when he originally did it.

00:47:07.940 Or if he felt, well, I'm in over my head.

00:47:09.900 If I go there, I'm going to get people killed.

00:47:12.600 Or I'm, you know, maybe deep down he felt I'm incompetent.

00:47:16.680 You know, I mean, you can't talk your way out of somebody shooting at you in a

00:47:21.680 scenario like that.

00:47:22.840 And, you know, he's very good at talking and, you know, doing that.

00:47:27.000 I mean, I got to give him credit there.

00:47:28.300 He loves hearing himself talk.

00:47:30.060 But I don't know, you know, and on the end of it, I think the reason he quit was political

00:47:35.500 because it was, you know, back then, one side was kind of it was George Bush's war.

00:47:42.060 And it was an unjust war.

00:47:44.220 And why were we there and all this stuff?

00:47:46.280 You know, and it was like, you know, I think the bottom line is maybe it's all of the above.

00:47:50.620 You know, maybe there is some cowardice in there, too.

00:47:53.740 But, you know, that was the thing.

00:47:55.000 It was like we were there and I was at a huge bunker complex where there was bunkers that

00:48:00.800 were blown all the pieces.

00:48:01.960 But then there were some that were locked yet.

00:48:04.440 And I told the explosive ordnance disposal guy, I said, well, maybe there's weapons of

00:48:10.540 mass destruction in there.

00:48:11.620 And he said, well, I ain't open it up.

00:48:13.160 He said, I got enough work to do cleaning all these rounds that are laying all over the

00:48:16.920 desert out there.

00:48:18.240 And it was like, well, where's the media when it comes to this?

00:48:21.160 I mean, they didn't show any of that.

00:48:22.980 But I mean, there was all kinds of possibilities that there was more there than anybody said.

00:48:27.320 But, you know, everything got skewed then.

00:48:29.820 And, you know, it was just it was like an unjust thing.

00:48:32.920 And I think that's the bottom line.

00:48:35.000 But, yeah, he he literally, you know, when I when I looked into, you know, the Star Tribune

00:48:39.860 reporter I talked to way back when he actually said, well, isn't that treason?

00:48:43.540 And I said, well, treason is probably one level over and above what he did.

00:48:47.760 I said, because that's selling the country out to another nation.

00:48:51.500 And, you know, if you're a double agent spy or something, I mean, that's one thing.

00:48:56.660 And, you know, he is a traitor because a traitor is basically a person who betrays a country.

00:49:03.000 And that is what he did.

00:49:04.620 And then, you know, I got thinking about it, about like this, that bird doll guy that just

00:49:09.440 walked away from his UN in Afghanistan.

00:49:12.080 And I was like, you know, that literally is what Tim Walz did.

00:49:15.240 He is a deserter, too.

00:49:17.200 You know, it's a different version of it.

00:49:19.000 But a soldier who leaves or runs away from service or duty with the intention of never

00:49:24.840 returning, that is exactly what he did.

00:49:27.140 He had no intention of ever coming back in the guard or filling, filling out one more day

00:49:32.580 in combat boots.

00:49:33.700 When he pulled the plug and was gone, he basically said, tough, crap, United States.

00:49:40.920 I'm getting the heck out of it.

00:49:42.620 And yeah, that's I'm not ashamed to call him a traitor or a deserter.

00:49:47.140 You did your duty and served the country honorably.

00:49:52.100 So did Kyle Miller, who was killed in that same unit, 19 years old, from Wilmar, Minnesota,

00:50:00.640 when an IED hit his convoy on June 29, 2006.

00:50:05.000 He was among the 2,600 Minnesotans deployed in March 2005 in the largest overseas deployment

00:50:11.060 of the Minnesota National Guard since World War II.

00:50:13.680 Um, Tim Walsh wasn't there.

00:50:17.420 He was running for Congress two years short of the time in which his deployment or his

00:50:23.680 service was supposed to end.

00:50:25.420 And unfortunately, that's not the entire story because there's the question in Governor Walsh's

00:50:32.460 case of stolen valor.

00:50:33.620 And it relates to that title, Command Sergeant Major, that Tom and I just mentioned.

00:50:39.640 And we'll take a dive into what he's doing with that as Tom stays with us through the

00:50:44.740 break.

00:50:45.020 Don't go away.

00:50:46.840 It really bothers me about Tim Walsh as a Marine who served his country in uniform.

00:50:51.080 When the United States Marine Corps, when the United States of America asked me to go to

00:50:54.880 Iraq to serve my country, I did it.

00:50:56.940 I did what they asked me to do.

00:50:58.200 And I did it honorably.

00:50:59.140 And I'm very proud of that service.

00:51:00.640 When Tim Walsh was asked by his country to go to Iraq, you know what he did?

00:51:03.880 He dropped out of the army and allowed his unit to go without him, a fact that he's been

00:51:08.720 criticized for aggressively by a lot of the people that he served with.

00:51:12.460 I think it's shameful to prepare your unit to go to Iraq, to make a promise that you're

00:51:17.620 going to follow through, and then to drop out.

00:51:20.260 And the thing is, welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show, back with me now, military veteran

00:51:23.700 Tom Behrens.

00:51:24.460 The thing is, Tom, he was the commander.

00:51:27.320 I mean, he was in a position of command.

00:51:28.780 And so this wasn't just like losing someone who is low down on the food chain and in a

00:51:35.000 lateral position as the enlisted guys.

00:51:37.060 He was responsible for these men.

00:51:40.320 You are correct.

00:51:41.440 And I would say amen to Mr. Vance there, because to do all that and then to drop out, it's just

00:51:49.300 absolutely disgusting.

00:51:50.760 And, you know, he's the senior enlisted advisor to the battalion commander.

00:51:56.740 And, I mean, you're literally, you're attached at the hip.

00:52:00.940 The two of you would lead 500 to 600 soldiers.

00:52:04.380 And they all rely on you to make good decisions.

00:52:09.220 They rely on you to keep them safe, fed, housed well.

00:52:13.300 But, I mean, you know, it's just absolutely amazing that somebody, I'm just absolutely disgusted

00:52:21.280 in that.

00:52:22.400 That's why it's just such a mission of mine to make sure the public knows the character

00:52:28.820 of this person, because it's just not, it's horrible leadership.

00:52:33.420 It ain't even leadership.

00:52:34.780 It shouldn't even be in that category.

00:52:36.140 It is not just you, as I pointed out to our audience, Paul Herr, another retired Army command

00:52:44.680 sergeant major, has spoken out about this.

00:52:46.220 Tony Wenzel, retired platoon sergeant for the Minnesota Army National Guard, said to Alpha

00:52:50.660 News that he could never vote for Tim Walz as our governor when he abandoned his fellow

00:52:54.920 soldiers as he did.

00:52:56.040 Quote, it sickens me to realize that Tim Walz, in the face of being deployed to Iraq, would

00:53:00.320 quit when the going looked tough.

00:53:01.860 He bolted, good soldiers don't do that, and there have been many others who have spoken

00:53:07.440 out about what they consider a dereliction of duty.

00:53:10.700 I do want to point out, just yesterday, the Harris campaign tweeted out a soundbite from

00:53:19.280 him from 2018, where he seems to be suggesting he was, quote, in war, in war.

00:53:28.180 Take a listen to this.

00:53:31.860 Pope woke up like many of you did five weeks ago, and said, Dad, you're the only person

00:53:35.980 I know who's in elected office.

00:53:37.240 You need to stop what's happening with this.

00:53:38.940 I'll take my kick in the butt for the NRA.

00:53:40.780 I spent 25 years in the Army, and I hunt.

00:53:43.020 And I gave the money back, and I'll tell you what I have been doing.

00:53:45.680 I've been voting for common sense legislation that protects the Second Amendment, but we can

00:53:49.240 do background checks.

00:53:50.060 We can do CDC research.

00:53:51.460 We can make sure we don't have reciprocal carry among states, and we can make sure that

00:53:55.140 those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place where those weapons

00:53:58.640 are at.

00:54:01.860 Now, Tom, he did go to Italy in 2003.

00:54:07.480 Afghanistan was underway at that time, not yet Iraq, memory serves, I'm trying to remember

00:54:13.140 the exact date, but he was in Italy.

00:54:16.160 So could that arguably be, quote, in war?

00:54:19.340 Well, maybe it felt like war to him.

00:54:23.520 I guess it's not technically war.

00:54:25.840 That's not a combat zone.

00:54:27.260 You're not getting combat pay in there, and you are not in war.

00:54:31.040 That is just absolutely just another Tim Walz lie out there.

00:54:35.920 And the people listening to it probably believe it, because they don't know any better.

00:54:40.180 I mean, he had it out there that he was in Italy and supporting troops that went to Afghanistan

00:54:46.880 or some BS story, and yeah, there's, that's, I think, you know, I guess I'm pretty sure

00:54:54.000 Iraq was, you know, starting and going on at that time to a certain point.

00:54:58.100 It started in 03.

00:54:59.120 I just don't know when, you know.

00:55:01.040 Yeah, we were there.

00:55:02.620 So I'm pretty sure when we were there, we got the notification that Saddam had been

00:55:06.560 captured, you know, because he was on, you know, they were hunting him basically, you

00:55:11.640 know, whatever time.

00:55:12.620 And I'm pretty confident it was like December of 03 when they, when they fought him.

00:55:18.100 And I know we, you know, everybody was elated, you know, that we finally fought that dirty

00:55:21.960 dictator that had done horrible things to his people and his country for years and years,

00:55:27.780 you know, and maybe things would finally change.

00:55:31.420 That, that was, yeah, he, that is just amazing.

00:55:35.420 I can't believe he, you'd think a lightning bolt was struck right there.

00:55:40.340 Well, can you, can you help us understand why that's such a big deal, right?

00:55:43.200 Because I think there might be some people at home saying like, eh, you know, in war,

00:55:47.980 he was kind of war adjacent.

00:55:49.360 He was in Italy helping support the guys who were, quote, in war.

00:55:53.220 Is it a big deal to say you were in war when you weren't actually in combat?

00:55:59.560 It's a huge deal for veterans and it should be a huge deal for the general public out

00:56:05.280 there because basically it's proof that you're a liar. 0.72

00:56:07.840 And if you're just lying for political gain or you're lying just to, just because you

00:56:13.180 think that's what the people you're talking to want to hear, that that's not good as a,

00:56:17.660 as a leader of a country.

00:56:18.880 I mean, to me, that's just, it's indescribable how somebody can do that.

00:56:26.000 Um, you know, as far as the, you know, soldiers out there, there's an awful lot of them that,

00:56:33.360 I mean, before, before 2000, I had never been to war.

00:56:36.980 I had never been, I've been overseas training here and there.

00:56:40.200 We were in the Cold War, which technically was a war.

00:56:43.100 We didn't fire a shot, but we, we built things up to the point where we, we broke the Soviet 0.99

00:56:48.180 Union without having to be in a hot war with them, which was good.

00:56:51.900 But, you know, for somebody to say they've been in war and they're not, that is, you

00:56:58.920 know, like the saying has been stolen valor.

00:57:01.440 You're basically out there acting like you're something that you're not.

00:57:05.500 And that's, that's not a good thing.

00:57:07.100 That's bold face lying.

00:57:10.300 I think every soldier knows that.

00:57:12.380 I mean, I just think every soldier knows there's a distinction between being in war and being

00:57:17.660 in a position to support the guys who are actually in the war.

00:57:20.380 And most soldiers would never dream of saying they'd fought in it when they hadn't, though

00:57:26.620 Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut certainly did and was nonetheless elected to

00:57:32.820 Senator as a Democrat, notwithstanding.

00:57:35.600 There's another question of stolen valor, which I teased before the break.

00:57:39.540 And that is this position of command Sergeant Major, which he held for a short time conditionally,

00:57:47.060 as you outlined before.

00:57:48.140 He needed to complete some other things in order to actually have the title, which he

00:57:52.800 didn't.

00:57:53.920 But now, repeatedly, since he left, he's referred to himself as a retired command Sergeant Major,

00:58:01.960 and he's allowed others to introduce him and call him that.

00:58:05.600 Here's just an example.

00:58:07.540 I'm a retired command Sergeant Major.

00:58:10.080 I spent 24 years in the Army National Guard.

00:58:13.120 So when you first came to Washington, you were a retired command Sergeant Major in the Army

00:58:17.660 National Guard.

00:58:18.520 So you were drawn immediately.

00:58:20.240 As a 24-year veteran of the National Guard and the Red Bull Division and a retired command

00:58:26.020 Sergeant Major.

00:58:28.780 So why do you think that's not true?

00:58:31.880 Why do you have an issue with him doing that?

00:58:34.540 Because it is not true.

00:58:35.920 He is not a retired command Sergeant Major.

00:58:38.900 He's a retired Master Sergeant.

00:58:41.080 When he failed, when he dropped out of Sergeant Major's Academy and when he quit, the obligations

00:58:48.560 were not fulfilled for his conditional promotion.

00:58:51.400 So he ended up being reduced to Master Sergeant.

00:58:53.920 So his retirement, which he's 60 now, which he is probably drawing, is he a Master Sergeant?

00:59:00.920 He is not a retired command Sergeant Major.

00:59:03.080 The state of Minnesota even brought it out here.

00:59:05.320 Well, he can't call himself a retired command Sergeant Major, but he can say he served as,

00:59:10.460 which, you know, technically, he was an acting command Sergeant Major for a few months,

00:59:15.100 and then he didn't fulfill responsibilities and the conditions, and he was reduced.

00:59:21.720 So, you know, they kind of came around and hee-hawed that, well, yeah, he can say he served as

00:59:27.400 one, but he's right there on video and audio that he says he is a retired command Sergeant

00:59:33.540 Major, and he's not.

00:59:35.340 That's part of the reason that I brought this whole thing out in 2016, I believe, was when

00:59:41.200 he came down to a memorial here in Heron Lake, Minnesota, and he spoke, and he did the

00:59:47.180 same thing to them.

00:59:48.100 You know, the public, he was in the first district of Congress, the United House of

00:59:52.880 Representatives, and he basically said that he was a retired command Sergeant Major.

00:59:57.820 There was a write-up in the paper, and it was in there six, seven times, and he tooted his

01:00:02.300 horn how he was the highest ranking, whatever, and one of my neighbors said, well, you know,

01:00:07.320 he knew why he'd went to Iraq, and he was like, I got to meet a fellow command Sergeant

01:00:11.320 Major of yours.

01:00:12.120 And I said, he is not one.

01:00:15.160 I said, he didn't fulfill the obligations, and his son-in-law is in the military in South

01:00:19.320 Dakota, and he was like, we don't know that.

01:00:22.500 Who's going to, you need to get this out there.

01:00:24.240 And I'm like, why do I got to do this?

01:00:26.140 I just want to be back here in Southwest Minnesota and live my life, you know?

01:00:30.580 And he's like, well, somebody's got to bring it out there.

01:00:33.780 And I was like, okay, I guess I'm the one chosen, man.

01:00:36.660 And so I wrote a letter to Mr. Walz, and I basically said, you know, this is a lie.

01:00:41.920 Can you just please correct the record?

01:00:43.740 If somebody calls you a retired command Sergeant Major, can you please just tell them that that

01:00:48.120 is not true, and just come clean?

01:00:51.200 I gave him the opportunity.

01:00:53.060 He didn't say a damn word to me.

01:00:54.740 And so I sent it to the other departments in Washington that he was on the committees

01:01:00.620 with, and I told them, oh, I said, he's not a retired command Sergeant Major.

01:01:04.120 I'd appreciate it, and everybody else out there that is an actual command Sergeant Major

01:01:09.620 would appreciate it if he would cease and desist, lying to everyone.

01:01:15.560 And, you know, then he started losing in the first district, and he ran for governor.

01:01:20.260 And then, you know, our state, you know, they had a great Minnesota cover-up with him,

01:01:25.000 basically, where they didn't want this to get out too much, so they kind of hit it.

01:01:29.760 But, you know, now that he's on the national stage, I think people need to, they absolutely

01:01:35.080 need to know the truth before he gets in any more public position.

01:01:39.220 How about all those actual command Sergeant Majors who went through the two-year training,

01:01:44.320 did their duty, served the country for that additional time, earned the title?

01:01:48.680 Why should he be running around saying he's retired with that rank when he didn't actually

01:01:53.140 earn it?

01:01:53.480 It was a conditional title that he didn't actually earn it out, and now it is stolen valor.

01:02:00.900 I agree with you.

01:02:01.640 You've convinced me.

01:02:02.780 I didn't totally understand it, I confess, before we chatted, Tom, but that's just wrong.

01:02:07.480 I mean, the titles in military service matter.

01:02:10.400 They show that you've been elevated for a reason.

01:02:13.660 You've done some extra work.

01:02:14.620 You've done some extra, you know, things of honor in some cases.

01:02:17.060 But the medals, the titles, they're there for a reason.

01:02:21.860 They are, and that's part of the reason the stolen valor stuff came out when it did, because

01:02:26.860 you had people out there that were wearing a combat infantry badge or a silver star or

01:02:33.740 a bronze star or a combat action badge, or they had service stripes that showed they were

01:02:39.640 overseas for two years.

01:02:41.640 And, you know, and then they came out with it.

01:02:43.400 And I think they actually said that, well, yeah, that's kind of a weird way to have a

01:02:48.780 freedom of speech thing.

01:02:50.040 But, you know, this whole command sergeant major thing is, you know, there's thousands

01:02:54.180 of people that have went through the academy and have served honorably all the way up to

01:02:58.780 the United States, you know, the United States Army command sergeant major, you know, the top

01:03:04.080 dog of all of them.

01:03:05.180 And, you know, everybody put in their time and they've devotion to duty and their loyalty

01:03:11.700 and their integrity and respect for others and their selfless service.

01:03:15.960 And you got this guy out.

01:03:17.860 I mean, I met, you know, a couple E-9s and a couple colonels, you know, air base one time

01:03:25.800 and we were just waiting for flight.

01:03:27.140 And I found out later that their helicopter got shot down.

01:03:30.540 There were seven of them on there and there was a female CSM from Iowa and they all got

01:03:37.340 killed and they're buried in Arlington.

01:03:39.740 And it's like, you know, somebody needs to speak for them to keep somebody like this from

01:03:44.400 being able to hang on their coattails and say, yeah, I was a CSM.

01:03:49.140 I was a command sergeant major.

01:03:51.020 I was in, we got to stop these weapons of war. 0.60

01:03:53.820 I was in war.

01:03:54.660 I mean, what is going on with this guy?

01:03:56.820 I mean, I think he's lived the lie so long he believes in himself.

01:04:00.540 Tom, we reached out to him to get a reaction to what we anticipated you would be saying.

01:04:06.740 No response.

01:04:08.060 He did give a response back in October 2022 to the Star Tribune and said, quote, I don't

01:04:15.900 know if Tom just disagrees with my politics or whatever, but my record speaks for itself

01:04:20.820 and my accomplishments in uniform speak for itself.

01:04:24.780 So is there just a political disagreement between you?

01:04:28.660 He's suggesting this is just, this is just political.

01:04:32.580 I responded to him back then too.

01:04:35.420 And I said, this is not political.

01:04:37.360 This is patriotic.

01:04:39.140 And I mentioned this the other day too to somebody.

01:04:41.540 I said, it doesn't matter if you're red and yellow, red or yellow, black or white, Republican

01:04:46.000 or Democrat or Democrat or whatever you are, if you abandon your post when you should be

01:04:53.760 there and quit, then you are nothing to me.

01:04:57.440 And you are nothing to a lot of soldiers out there.

01:05:00.380 There might be a few that say, well, yeah, he had over 20 years and he could get out.

01:05:06.200 Well, yeah, technically that is true.

01:05:07.940 But should he have gotten out?

01:05:09.740 Absolutely not.

01:05:10.600 He was the head, one of the head people up there for him to do that was just absolute

01:05:15.300 desertion and traitorism.

01:05:17.320 If he'd have done that back when the first Minnesota marched off to war, when President

01:05:22.380 Lincoln asked our governor for troops, if Tim Walz would have been in back then, what

01:05:27.120 would he have done?

01:05:27.720 Walked back to Nebraska and said, well, I've got better things to do than go fight the

01:05:32.080 Civil War.

01:05:32.700 I know.

01:05:33.460 I don't know.

01:05:33.980 I mean, I don't know if it was cowardism or don't want to get shot or whatever.

01:05:39.420 Nobody wants to get shot.

01:05:40.660 Somebody's got to take the bullet.

01:05:41.900 I mean, that's that's what the heck happens in war.

01:05:44.720 It's just absolutely disgusting.

01:05:48.420 God bless those of you who take those risks for the country.

01:05:51.160 I should say to the point you just raised, there are some who've defended him in when

01:05:57.260 the Star Tribune eventually wrote about this, which was 2022.

01:06:00.420 You had raised it years earlier.

01:06:01.400 Joseph Eustace, who served 32 years in the National Guard, told them he was a great soldier

01:06:05.880 when he chose to leave.

01:06:06.960 He had every right to and that the attacks on Walz's record may have been made by disgruntled

01:06:12.200 soldiers who were passed up for promotions.

01:06:15.680 Another man, Al Bonifield, who served under Walz, talked to Minnesota Public Radio and said

01:06:20.840 he weighed the decision to run for Congress for a long time.

01:06:25.300 He loved the military, the Guard and the soldiers he worked with that he'd been eyeing a run

01:06:30.520 for Congress earlier than 2005.

01:06:33.000 Any response to that, Tom, that really these are just all those of you who I've mentioned

01:06:37.780 are just disgruntled guys who are passed up for promotions?

01:06:42.620 Well, it's a it's a nice take on it.

01:06:45.200 And I wrote a letter to the paper where Joe Eustace was at, too.

01:06:50.040 Joe, Joe took my position after I retired and he had actually deployed, deployed to Kuwait

01:06:57.300 in 2011 when the drawdown hit.

01:06:59.320 And, you know, I responded to him.

01:07:01.020 I said, you know, is it is did you write that because you're disgruntled that Walz got picked

01:07:06.660 over you at that time?

01:07:07.860 I mean, that that was it was just just a you know, it's another one of those things.

01:07:12.680 I don't I don't know what Joe was thinking himself.

01:07:17.140 CSM Wall or not CSM Eustace, but it had absolutely nothing to do with that.

01:07:23.460 You know, I mean, the selection was made at that time.

01:07:26.120 You know, there was a there was a board, you know, of all the senior make make on CSMs,

01:07:33.300 they call them, and they selected who they did.

01:07:36.680 I got I got selected for SGM before he got selected for CSM.

01:07:41.880 So there's no there's no disgruntled on my side because I literally my data rank.

01:07:48.980 If he'd have stayed in and had that rank legitimately, I would have had days on him

01:07:55.120 because I was selected first for the SGM position and then the CSM position opened up later.

01:08:00.400 So, I mean, for him to say that, I mean, he can say whatever he wants.

01:08:04.100 It's not true.

01:08:05.060 I mean, I I don't feel that myself.

01:08:07.900 I mean, OK, let me ask one last question because we're almost out of time.

01:08:13.240 It's very possible that if Tim Walz and Kamala Harris win this election,

01:08:16.720 he could eventually become president of the United States.

01:08:19.420 God forbid something happens to her or just if and when she passes the baton to her vice president. 1.00

01:08:25.780 Could you vote for this guy to be potential commander in chief?

01:08:31.240 Absolutely not.

01:08:32.300 I mean, I'm not.

01:08:35.420 You know, I guess I'm I'm in the moderate to to right leading person.

01:08:41.220 I mean, I'm not.

01:08:42.440 Well, there's never been anybody out on that side that I vote for, especially him.

01:08:47.120 I mean, just with his policies that have happened in Minnesota, he doesn't give a dang about the 49 percent that lost the vote.

01:08:54.340 I mean, it's all about who the 51 percent were. 0.92

01:08:57.860 And he rams all of all of his radical policies down that side of the down that side of everybody's throat, which is a sad thing.

01:09:07.400 I mean, if you're going to be a leader, you know, you can't just lead for the side that you're on.

01:09:12.840 And, you know, there's no way I could vote because I don't I they're like the party of chameleons. 0.87

01:09:18.740 Right. I mean, if they if they go to Georgia, they want to talk like a Georgia person.

01:09:23.660 And if they if they come and talk to if Tim comes and talks to veterans of Minnesota, he acts like, well, I'm doing everything for the veterans.

01:09:30.940 And then when the vote comes down, then he then he slams the door on them.

01:09:33.880 And wherever they stick, you know, that's the color they change.

01:09:36.920 And then all of a sudden they know where they go to the next one.

01:09:40.020 And then then they they jump on them and they say what they want to hear there.

01:09:46.140 Well, listen, it takes some courage to tell this story publicly so many times as you have trying to make sure it gets out there, not to mention.

01:09:53.460 And that to pick up the gun and actually go into combat, as you did and lost fellow servicemen.

01:09:58.400 Thanks so much, Tom, for all of it. We respect you. We appreciate you.

01:10:02.200 Thank you. Wow. What a story.

01:10:05.580 I know we have a lot of military watching this show and I would love to get your reaction.

01:10:10.140 You can email me, you know, it's Megan at Megan Kelly dot com M-E-G-Y-N.

01:10:15.700 I do read all the emails. Sometimes there are hundreds and hundreds, but I read them.

01:10:19.960 Um, my gal Meg Storm puts them together and sends them to me and they all they make me laugh.

01:10:24.380 A lot of them say, I know you're not going to read this. I'm reading them.

01:10:27.380 So please send me your thoughts. Boy, oh, boy, that's.

01:10:31.320 That's disturbing.

01:10:32.020 Um, and it's, you know, trying to maintain my objectivity because I'm definitely not going to vote for this man, but those are disturbing allegations.

01:10:39.240 And we certainly hope that he will respond to our request for comment, especially on why his story of having a four year reenlistment does not jive at all with his actual documents as obtained by Alpha News.

01:10:52.180 Um, we'll follow up on it if and when they get back to us up next, two of the best follows on X, Red Steez, Stephen Miller and Receipt Master Drew Holden.

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01:12:24.420 Guys, welcome to the show.

01:12:25.900 Thanks for having me back, Megan.

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01:12:29.840 All right.

01:12:30.020 So there's a lot to get through.

01:12:32.100 I don't even know where to start, but let's just start with where we just left off.

01:12:36.260 So Governor Walz is accused of stolen valor, stealing a title that he did not earn and running

01:12:43.040 around saying he's a retired command sergeant major when he's not saying that he fought in war.

01:12:48.480 We had guns in war, which he never fought in war.

01:12:51.640 He was in Italy in a supporting role, never went to Afghanistan or Iraq in a combat role,

01:12:56.260 abandoned his unit apparently two years earlier than his enlistment date was and then appears to

01:13:02.680 have lied about it publicly. At least that's the allegation. He won't respond no to us and he

01:13:06.240 wouldn't respond to Alpha News when they found the actual documentation and then has the nerve

01:13:10.500 to go out on the stump and attack J.D. Vance, who actually did serve as a Marine and deployed to

01:13:16.440 Iraq. I do think it's interesting in light of the heat that's already coming down on him for what

01:13:21.340 happened in Minnesota during the BLM riots, guys, where that's another situation in which,

01:13:26.920 let's face it, he was out to lunch as Minneapolis burned. Jacob Fry, the mayor, says he's on record

01:13:35.100 like I kept calling the guy. He said he'd send help. The National Guard never came. A police precinct

01:13:41.380 burned down. And once again, it appears Tim Walz did not answer the 3 a.m. phone call very effectively,

01:13:49.100 Drew. Yeah, that's unfortunately right, Megan. I mean, you know, it's it's interesting to me because

01:13:55.060 in a normal universe, I think this would be a really valuable role for the mainstream media

01:14:00.560 to play to fact check these sorts of things. Right. As you mentioned, the comments from the

01:14:04.280 mayor are on the record. You could very easily go back and look and say, hey, this guy who's now been

01:14:09.660 nominated for vice president, he doesn't actually pass muster on a lot of these things he said.

01:14:15.480 And instead, we have a media who's focused on his vibes. Right. He's passed the vibe check. And so

01:14:20.640 somehow it's no longer interesting what he had done before and whether or not what he had done

01:14:26.540 before is actually consistent with what he's saying now. Our connection is a little wobbly there. Let

01:14:31.280 me let me ask you, Stephen, because the mayor of Minneapolis at the time, Jacob Fry, is all over

01:14:36.940 the record on just how bad he thought Governor Walz did in handling this nightmare and deploying the

01:14:41.780 National Guard. And we've put together a soundbite of some of that from the time. Listen.

01:14:45.900 At 628, Wednesday afternoon, Mayor Jacob Fry's communication director, Michael Vlatkovic,

01:14:52.260 will text a small circle of advisors. Mayor just came out and said the chief wants him to call in

01:14:57.880 the National Guard for help at 3rd Precinct. Mayor appears intent on doing. Word on the ground is

01:15:04.540 it's really crazy and escalating, texted back a senior advisor. But a couple hours later, at 808,

01:15:11.100 Vlatkovic will relay a message from the mayor. Quote, he said Walz was hesitating.

01:15:16.720 This was a guard-sized crisis and demanded a guard-sized response. Do you feel like the

01:15:22.100 National Guard was slow walked into Minneapolis for whatever reason? I recognize that they're

01:15:27.540 coming from all around the state. Pretty much when the very first window broke on a private business,

01:15:33.660 I called the governor and I asked for the National Guard. But state officials have said the city had no

01:15:39.040 detailed plan for the National Guard. And the state argued the National Guard was a poor choice anyway

01:15:44.720 to handle civil unrest. By the next morning, Thursday at 1055 a.m., Mayor Fry sends a formal

01:15:51.180 request for the Minnesota National Guard. But the guard was never a major presence in Minneapolis that

01:15:57.080 night. By 936 that night, the 3rd Precinct was surrounded by fire and chaos. Mayor Fry will text

01:16:04.340 Chief Arredondo calling the governor regarding 3rd Precinct now. Arredondo, precinct being evacuated

01:16:11.160 now. Protestors reaching the precinct now. And finally, all officers evacuated. By Friday afternoon,

01:16:19.480 the city still smoldering. The guard was all in. A senior aide sends a text. Main update from state is

01:16:26.580 that they are mobilizing the entire guard and that this has switched from a protest to intentional

01:16:32.060 destruction. A little late to the party. That was a Fox 9 report with an interview with the mayor. Go

01:16:39.580 ahead, Stephen. Fire, but mostly peaceful governor, it would seem. I mean, I guess my thing for the

01:16:45.340 mayor is did kneeling not work to help this stuff? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's interesting and it's tough

01:16:51.420 following that veterans, you know, story in his service. But basically, I look at this and say,

01:16:57.440 was Bo Bergdahl busy? Could he not join this ticket? Because it looks like Kamala Harris picked

01:17:03.880 the most radical person and governor she could east of Gavin Newsom. And so Drew kind of touched on

01:17:10.300 that this election is going to be about who Donald Trump is and who Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz pretend

01:17:16.180 to be. And they're going to have an entire media infrastructure behind them who's just going to

01:17:22.100 basically not push them for interviews, not push them to answer for record, not push to answer why

01:17:26.920 Tim Waltz's wife thought smelling fires and burning bodies was a good thing. I'll play that soundbite

01:17:32.060 that Stephen just referenced. Gwen is the wife of Tim Waltz. And in 2020, she gave an interview about

01:17:38.460 what she was experiencing during the George Floyd riots. Take a listen. I would say those first days,

01:17:45.100 you know, when there were riots, I could smell the burning tires. And that was, that was a very real

01:17:56.640 thing. And I kept the windows open for as long as I could, because I felt like that was such a

01:18:01.560 touchstone of what was, what was happening. I don't know what that, what does that mean,

01:18:06.000 Stephen? She, what she needed to smell the burning tires in order to be connected to the rioters?

01:18:09.920 Yeah, I guess she needed to remember what burning small businesses down, you know, smelled like. And

01:18:17.340 this is something that he's going to have to answer for, because you have Kamala Harris out

01:18:21.420 here saying, we're not going back. We're not going back. Well, apparently she wants to take us back to

01:18:25.500 the summer of 2020. And so I guess the good news or the bad news for us is if Trump wins, we're going

01:18:31.500 to get riots. And if Kamala wins, we're going to get riots. And it's going to be from the same exact

01:18:35.380 people on both sides on that side. So what struck me is listening to Jacob Fry in the, in the, in

01:18:41.000 that report from Fox nine on the number of times the mayor was asking for help and didn't get the

01:18:46.040 help. You had Tim Walz come out and speak to this at the time about why he wasn't more responsive. I

01:18:53.040 mean, this is obviously a very big deal. This is not just a 2024 retroactive story and listen to how he

01:18:58.840 described it. I knew what he was asking for. He wanted the national guard. And what does that mean?

01:19:02.620 I think to the mayor, yes, I think it's a perception. I'm certainly not questioning that.

01:19:06.700 I think the mayor said, I requested national guard. Ooh, I'm out. This is great. We're going

01:19:10.000 to have massively trained troops. No, you're going to have 19 year olds who are cooks. 0.85

01:19:14.380 So remember his service for good measure. Yeah. Remember his service was impeccable and there's

01:19:19.980 no blemishes, but here he is insulting 19 year old national guards, who apparently can't handle the

01:19:25.620 job that he says he handled perfectly in his service. I mean, we're, we're 90 days out of this

01:19:30.720 election. And the Kamala and this guy's problem is neither of them have been through a strong

01:19:35.780 primary. And so the book hasn't even been opened on her yet. And now you have this guy where there's

01:19:42.600 going to be dozens and dozens of sound clips back there where he's coming, you know, he's calling

01:19:47.520 socialism neighborly and things like that. And so. That just happened. Yeah. That was on the white 0.98

01:19:53.620 guys for Kamala Zoom. Yeah. It was on, or yeah, it was like on MSNBC or something like that. So

01:19:58.460 Drew's Drew hit this, right. That they have to run this viable election and joy and things great.

01:20:04.280 And he's our uncle and everything just, just as they have to run Kamala, not on her record. 0.99

01:20:09.680 And so what's interesting to me about her picking this guy is she spent the last two weeks walking

01:20:14.540 back some of these policy proposals of hers. And now she just put a guy on the ticket that believes

01:20:19.960 all of them. And so now she's back to snapping back to having to defend this stuff. And so,

01:20:25.780 you know, putting all of your chips in a debate, you know, Kamala Harris's hubris with come and 0.66

01:20:32.140 debate me coward is astounding given what happened to Joe Biden in a debate and what happened to Kamala

01:20:37.260 Harris against Tulsi Gabbard. And so they're, they really are writing this kind of razor thin

01:20:43.120 lady Obama type narrative. The problem is we're not coming off of eight, you know, eight years of

01:20:49.260 Republican president. We're coming off of four years of Joe Biden record inflation, four conflicts

01:20:54.880 that have started under his presidency and that she has to both explain. Right. And she has to both

01:21:01.420 explain that while trying to tell us she's taking us into the future.

01:21:06.580 Or does she? I mean, the media, we've talked about this a bit with Mark Halperin has been completely

01:21:11.420 fine with her going underground, but for her prompter assisted rallies, all two of them.

01:21:18.460 And here's a sample, Drew, of how the media has sounded in covering that, as you point out,

01:21:23.520 Lady Obama, that's how she's getting treated. Watch. 0.99

01:21:26.060 Yeah.

01:21:26.620 I'm telling you, there seems to be a lot of, there's something appealing about a guy

01:21:30.100 for people who say it's comfortable talking in a t-shirt and a baseball cap as he is talking in

01:21:35.200 a suit, as he is talking in a tuxedo.

01:21:37.220 His Midwestern appeal, that plain spoken way of talking that he has, he's a bit folksy.

01:21:42.380 I think you got the hillbilly elegy against the real hillbilly. That's going to be, you know,

01:21:50.100 Yale versus the guy who's, you know, actually spent all of his time on the ground, you know,

01:21:56.080 fixing F-150s.

01:21:58.020 He coined that one word takedown of the Trump vans team, just calling them weird.

01:22:03.020 That is something that really gained a fair amount of traction.

01:22:06.040 He's like a walking John Mellencamp song.

01:22:08.480 I know one thing, he won't be talking about childless cat ladies or being racially divisive.

01:22:13.700 That's a step up from the other side.

01:22:15.800 He's joyful when he's on the attack.

01:22:18.960 He almost, you know, like does it with a wink and a smile and a sense of humor when he is going

01:22:24.500 after these guys.

01:22:26.140 It was mesmerizing and you could just sense the power in the hall.

01:22:31.040 And it was the power of joy.

01:22:33.160 And these two people yesterday managed to put a smile on the nation's face.

01:22:40.120 Oh, my gosh, Drew, Drew.

01:22:43.220 First of all, just on the racially divisive charge, your side is literally holding racially segregated

01:22:49.440 Zoom calls in its first week as a rollout for Kamala.

01:22:52.820 But I'll leave it to you to unpack it, Drew.

01:22:55.760 Right.

01:22:56.140 I think that's fair.

01:22:57.020 You know, don't forget, they picked Tim Waltz in part because he is a basic, boring white 1.00

01:23:02.460 man.

01:23:02.980 Right.

01:23:03.140 That's that's what they've been saying all along.

01:23:05.100 The idea that somehow that side.

01:23:07.980 Right.

01:23:08.160 The boring white guys for Kamala's side is not the racially divisive party.

01:23:12.680 I think it's preposterous.

01:23:14.140 Right.

01:23:14.280 I think it's pretty nakedly preposterous.

01:23:16.400 But I'll tell you, for whatever reason, that doesn't seem to be getting through to the

01:23:19.760 media who is cribbing all of that language.

01:23:22.380 You know, you heard those couple of quotes about joy and how he's bringing joy to America.

01:23:26.160 He's critical with joy.

01:23:28.080 The Washington Post cribbed that same language in a headline.

01:23:31.040 They said that he's bringing joy.

01:23:32.920 Like it's it's it's ridiculous on its face.

01:23:36.440 But I think when it's then refracted back to everyone through the media who should be

01:23:40.880 holding up this, this, you know, revealing mirror to candidates.

01:23:44.500 And instead, you've got the vibes joy guy.

01:23:47.480 And that's that's not actually doing any due diligence about someone who might be a heartbeat

01:23:52.300 away from the presidency.

01:23:53.180 So, yeah, he's the vibes joy guy.

01:23:55.380 And Trump and Vance are weird, even though, you know, Governor Walz is just fine with chopping

01:24:01.860 your child's penis off, even though he's four. 0.99

01:24:04.200 That's not weird.

01:24:06.200 Yeah, right.

01:24:07.040 That's that's that's somehow the guy who mandates tampons and boys bathrooms for high schools

01:24:14.720 is not a weird guy.

01:24:16.060 Right.

01:24:16.180 I do for fourth grade, fourth grade.

01:24:18.420 That's when it's elementary school.

01:24:19.580 It's our fifth fifth fifth.

01:24:21.460 Yeah.

01:24:22.100 Yeah.

01:24:22.280 And it's it's one of those things, too, where you've got you've got a framing that relies

01:24:26.720 on what does the average Washington Post or New York Times editor consider we I would go

01:24:32.960 so far as to say that perhaps that is not aligned with what most Americans and most voters

01:24:37.400 think is weird.

01:24:38.420 I think people think that's a lot weirder.

01:24:40.660 OK, so can I show this is a perfect place to bring in his lieutenant governor?

01:24:44.220 She's a nut, too.

01:24:45.720 You guys may remember her.

01:24:47.020 She got she turned herself into a national news story not long ago in March of 23, long

01:24:52.680 before we were thinking about this guy as the potential running mate for Kamala Harris,

01:24:55.760 because she said this insanity when he was signing one of his many crazy trans kids bills.

01:25:03.160 Listen to Peggy Flanagan in March of 2023.

01:25:09.000 Because let's be clear.

01:25:13.680 This is life affirming and life saving health care.

01:25:20.340 When our children tell us who they are, it is our job as grownups to listen and to believe them.

01:25:30.300 That's what it means to be a good parent.

01:25:40.320 Oh, my God.

01:25:41.640 Do you remember?

01:25:42.360 I wanted to be a stegosaurus.

01:25:44.160 Yeah, I wanted to be a stegosaurus when I was 12.

01:25:46.700 And, you know, my parents didn't let me do that.

01:25:49.160 And now I ended up as a podcaster.

01:25:51.000 So if you recall, she's also the one who was seen wearing the Protect Trans Kids knife shirt.

01:25:56.480 So we can have that talk about what is and what is not stochastic terrorism, I guess, if we want.

01:26:04.800 I would not expect our media to basically suddenly jump in and start covering this stuff.

01:26:09.880 My grand theory of this election is that this is a Hillary Clinton do over for them. 0.99

01:26:14.500 We had Ezra Klein three years ago blaming coverage of Hillary's emails on, you know,

01:26:19.220 why Trump won and not, you know, Gamma not going to the state of Wisconsin for 104 days.

01:26:24.420 And so they really do look at this as a Hillary Clinton do over.

01:26:29.120 We have another historic female candidate. 1.00

01:26:31.320 We're not going to let this one lose to Donald Trump this time.

01:26:34.660 We're not going to commit any mortal sins of doing our jobs and covering Kamala's past positions.

01:26:39.400 And this whole weird thing really did spawn to kind of neutralize these hysterical laughing moments from Kamala Harris,

01:26:47.460 where she's the only one cackling.

01:26:49.620 She's like candidate smilex. 1.00

01:26:51.200 And I really do believe that was deployed to neutralize anybody pointing that stuff out.

01:26:57.020 And so like what Drew said, they can pull this.

01:26:59.480 These guys are just weird card all they want.

01:27:01.640 But, you know, these are the guys who are appearing in leather dog masks on segregated Zoom calls.

01:27:06.300 And I guess if you guys want to do this joy election, I don't know how much joy people like me have having to chase down a clerk at a grocery store because laundry detergent is now locked up.

01:27:18.340 And so these are things that right.

01:27:20.480 These are things they can't hide from.

01:27:21.880 They can't hide from mass influx of immigrants on street corners with squeegees anymore. 1.00

01:27:25.920 And that's not on them.

01:27:27.300 They, you know, they're just trying to get by.

01:27:29.900 But this is things people do notice.

01:27:32.120 They notice an influx of prices.

01:27:34.100 They notice an influx of groceries being locked up.

01:27:37.240 They notice an influx of, you know, homelessness.

01:27:39.980 And you can run on this.

01:27:41.500 Hey, everything's great.

01:27:43.080 Because this kind of was bored from like Paul Krugman, the vibe economy.

01:27:47.000 And you guys can run on that.

01:27:48.920 Good luck.

01:27:50.120 I guess we're going to see if that works enough.

01:27:51.600 You're exactly right.

01:27:52.400 Tell it to the family of Lake and Riley how joyful it is to have this woman in office.

01:27:56.540 You know, tell it to the to Chloe Cole, who had her breast chopped off at age 15 by a medical community that's been captured by by social craziness, pushing this stuff without any appreciation for the fact that a minor cannot give consent to that kind of a procedure in the name of gender affirming care, which he's on board. 0.55

01:28:16.640 With 110 percent, it's it's amazing.

01:28:20.720 But they picked him, Drew, because they think he's going to help with working class Midwesterners, that he's got that, you know, John Mellencamp in, you know, real life, like a song, a John Mellencamp song, which I object to as a John Mellencamp fan.

01:28:34.360 And here's Steve Kornacki, however, of NBC, with a hefty dose of realism for them on exactly how well Tim Walz does when it comes to actual working in middle class voters in Minnesota.

01:28:49.820 Listen, I think that background is a small town background, the military background.

01:28:55.360 Democrats are hoping it's going to help them.

01:28:58.680 This is Stearns County.

01:29:00.360 This is in greater Minnesota.

01:29:02.180 This is similar to a lot of the terrain you see in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

01:29:06.900 Walz lost this by 23 points.

01:29:09.380 How does that compare to Joe Biden in 2020?

01:29:12.020 Joe Biden lost the same county by 23 points.

01:29:14.540 How does that compare to Hillary Clinton in 2016? 0.91

01:29:17.180 Hillary Clinton lost it by 28 points.

01:29:19.380 And now here's the key, because this county, Democrats used to be much more competitive in.

01:29:24.440 Look at this.

01:29:24.900 In 2012, Barack Obama won 43 percent of the vote in this county.

01:29:29.580 The floor fell out for Democrats here when Trump came along in that Clinton race in 2016.

01:29:34.960 And they haven't recovered it since.

01:29:36.880 And Walz really owes his victory.

01:29:39.120 That big margin, that margin, you got eight points there statewide.

01:29:41.880 He owes it to the Twin Cities area here, the area where Democrats in Minnesota and all these other states are already doing well.

01:29:49.300 And the idea that he's got this automatic appeal with these small town areas in those three key battleground states, you don't see it in what he actually did on the ballot in 2022.

01:29:59.960 Now, that doesn't mean it can't happen.

01:30:01.740 You know, see how this story, once it gets told, how it, does it resonate with voters?

01:30:07.000 That's the thing, Drew.

01:30:07.940 He is not some working class whisperer.

01:30:09.840 Yeah, exactly.

01:30:12.180 I mean, I think it really, to me, what it highlights is how far can this vibes election sentiment actually go?

01:30:20.180 Because the media may think that this guy is, you know, he typifies the working class and he's out there, you know, whatever.

01:30:26.240 But he is a dive in the blood progressive, right?

01:30:28.540 The things that he actually believes, which voters are aware of in Minnesota and beyond, are not the sorts of, are not these folksy, John Mellon campy types of values, right?

01:30:39.400 And so peeling back the layer, even just a tiny bit on his progressive policies.

01:30:44.660 We've talked about the bathroom stuff, but also look at green energy, right?

01:30:48.900 Like, he's someone who has, by executive order, and in his budget, he requires all providers of energy in the state to abandon traditional methods of energy by 2032.

01:31:02.400 He wants 100% green energy by law, mandated by law in Minnesota by 2032.

01:31:08.160 You know, hopefully there's enough time in there for somebody to come in and fix that.

01:31:11.740 But he's not, he isn't this, like, every man sort of guy.

01:31:15.280 He is a radical progressive, and the media might be able to hold him forward as, oh, well, look at him.

01:31:20.460 Doesn't he just look like someone who would be folksy and Midwestern and moderate?

01:31:24.440 But he's not.

01:31:25.760 He's very obviously not.

01:31:27.660 Here's the other thing.

01:31:28.820 We talked about, we showed the lieutenant governor, you know, just do what your child wants.

01:31:32.740 Your child deserves to get whatever they want.

01:31:34.340 You know, you thought you were a stegosaurus.

01:31:36.380 I thought I was a fairy named Taffian.

01:31:39.140 Okay, didn't happen.

01:31:40.280 You still could be.

01:31:40.780 And so that's his lieutenant governor.

01:31:45.160 He seems just fine with that.

01:31:46.560 Then there was an issue with a Florida teacher down in DeSantis' state where they had passed what the critics called the don't say gay bill, which just said you can't discuss sexual orientation and LGBTQ issues in curriculum.

01:32:00.840 Okay, you can't discuss it in curriculum in the younger grades.

01:32:04.420 And then it later got expanded.

01:32:06.840 A Florida teacher defied that and showed a movie that celebrates the gay relationship of some young boys to a group of fifth graders.

01:32:18.260 That's where I got fifth grade from.

01:32:19.460 The other one, tampons for fourth grade boys, fifth grade boys were getting this film down in Florida, which was not okay.

01:32:25.800 That's weird.

01:32:26.920 It's very weird.

01:32:28.280 I have a fifth grade boy.

01:32:29.620 Thank you.

01:32:30.080 No, do not show him gay movies.

01:32:31.540 Um, the Florida teacher spoke out about her behavior.

01:32:36.040 She got fired. 0.97

01:32:36.980 Here's she was on CNN quickly. 0.88

01:32:39.480 Those rights are gone when your child's in the public school system because there are students talking about these things.

01:32:44.940 It's where they get 90% of their socialization for the day.

01:32:47.840 And we can't shut down every conversation every child has.

01:32:51.860 Parental rights. 0.71

01:32:52.760 That's what she was referencing.

01:32:53.780 They're gone when your kid.

01:32:55.060 Well, guess why?

01:32:55.920 Governor Walz is relevant.

01:32:57.480 He came out publicly and said, come to Minnesota, madam, you and any other Florida teacher.

01:33:03.920 We want that kind of attitude right here in our schools.

01:33:07.600 That messaging cost the Democrats or yeah, cost the Democrats the last gubernatorial election.

01:33:15.120 That's why we have a governor. 1.00

01:33:16.260 Youngkin.

01:33:16.900 When he took out, what's his name?

01:33:18.920 The, the Clinton loving Democrat.

01:33:21.140 McAuliffe.

01:33:22.580 McAuliffe.

01:33:23.100 Thank you.

01:33:23.420 Terry McAuliffe.

01:33:24.920 Yeah.

01:33:25.440 Minnesota is in the top five states of, uh, people fleeing the state in the last five years.

01:33:30.700 They're one of the top states in bringing in immigrants.

01:33:33.360 And that's both from the Southern border.

01:33:35.220 And it's also from Ukraine and Russia even.

01:33:37.280 And so that's another message that I think can be hit on is if he's such this great governor,

01:33:42.440 folksy governor, why are people mass fleeing his states?

01:33:45.920 And that's kind of why I said she really did, uh, basically say, okay, Gavin's not interested

01:33:51.600 in playing number two.

01:33:52.840 Who can I get?

01:33:53.460 That's just like him.

01:33:54.840 And it really, I mean, if, if I'm Trump, it's a simple of, if you want to win Wisconsin,

01:33:58.980 just hold up the photo of Tim Waltz posing with the Minnesota Vikings.

01:34:02.440 Let's not overthink this stuff here.

01:34:04.520 So, um, this really was, this really was, this really was a wild, this really was a

01:34:10.220 wild choice.

01:34:11.580 Um, and it's going to, they're, they're basically, we're seeing two, two candidacies that are

01:34:15.520 basing on their base.

01:34:16.780 Is there, they're trying to rev up both of their bases.

01:34:19.520 And here you're going to have a kind of moderate centrist, independent voters who are going

01:34:24.180 to sit here and go, okay, what's in this for me.

01:34:26.580 And that's the danger.

01:34:28.080 I can tell you, Stephen, I'm scared though, because he was very effective on the stump.

01:34:31.480 When you watched him last night, I know you were a fan.

01:34:34.520 But couldn't you see his oratory as skillful?

01:34:38.480 And I could see people being fooled by him.

01:34:42.060 Yeah.

01:34:42.520 They're going to try to sell him off as your happy, drunken uncle at Thanksgiving.

01:34:46.260 And again, the problem with only doing one debate, because, you know, as far as I know,

01:34:50.280 we have one presidential debate, maybe one vice president debate is the media, not pressuring

01:34:55.560 Kamala or Tim Waltz on these records that leaves them exposed in one debate.

01:35:00.440 And so Kamala Harris, you're really going to put all of your chips on Kamala Harris, having

01:35:04.880 one great performance in a debate where she's never really had a great performance.

01:35:09.360 And the same goes for Waltz.

01:35:11.320 She got the cap.

01:35:12.540 She got the cap.

01:35:13.360 Well, that's, you know, because she kind of just did the Joe Biden barking clown thing, 1.00

01:35:17.480 where she's not going to be able to do that with Trump.

01:35:19.400 But right.

01:35:20.400 She's not really she's going to try to do these boss lady moments and stuff. 0.60

01:35:23.920 But and that takes me to Tim Waltz, who if the media is not going to get this stuff out

01:35:28.900 and pressure his record, J.D.

01:35:30.480 Vance will do it on a stage and he's going to have to account for it.

01:35:33.220 So, yeah, he can do this kind of grandpappy yeehaw act on the porch at Christmas.

01:35:39.420 But again, there's not a lot that's really going to sell.

01:35:42.520 He doesn't.

01:35:43.160 My family's from Wisconsin, and I've been back there tons of times, as Charlie Sykes will

01:35:47.740 once tell you, he does not come off as folksy Minnesota.

01:35:51.760 He comes off as the guy that MSNBC thinks is folksy Minnesota.

01:35:55.620 Yeah.

01:35:56.020 And so all I can see when I look at him is like a guy with a scalpel coming for children.

01:36:00.160 That's what I see when I look.

01:36:01.000 Yeah, I got to ask.

01:36:02.640 I got to end with this.

01:36:03.340 I see the drunken neighbor on the ref who played Santa Claus.

01:36:06.400 That's who I see.

01:36:08.580 I got to end with the fact that Cori Bush went down in flames.

01:36:13.520 Another member of the squad.

01:36:14.960 First, Jamal Bowman.

01:36:15.960 Now Cori Bush gone, but not forgotten.

01:36:19.340 Here's a little montage of some of our favorite Cori Bush moments.

01:36:23.760 81 days after his 18th birthday, a Ferguson police officer killed him.

01:36:30.680 In a just world, Mike Brown would be with his loved ones right now, dreaming of his future

01:36:36.940 as he blows out the candles on his birthday cake.

01:36:39.880 The effect detected on the middle class is less than it is on the rich, correct?

01:36:45.960 But it's not surprising because this is the place where our black and brown staff members

01:36:51.180 repeatedly speak of experiencing racism and sexism, Islamophobia, get pushed off of elevators,

01:36:57.100 xenophobia and more right here in this workplace.

01:36:59.400 I want to make sure I have security because I know I have had attempts on my life.

01:37:03.120 I get to be here to do the work.

01:37:04.980 So suck it up and defunding the police has to happen.

01:37:09.080 But not my police.

01:37:10.600 We will miss her.

01:37:11.460 Not her police.

01:37:11.880 We'll miss her now that she's going.

01:37:13.740 Yeah.

01:37:14.780 This is one way to put it.

01:37:16.180 I hope she is safe wherever she is with a fully staffed police force.

01:37:20.860 I'm sure she will be.

01:37:24.240 She'll find a way and probably make the taxpayer pay for it. 1.00

01:37:27.360 I got 30 seconds left, Stephen.

01:37:29.240 Your thoughts?

01:37:30.500 Her husband's going to have to get a real job now.

01:37:33.240 And so I guess that's how I look at it here.

01:37:36.340 So yeah, I mean, members of the squad are just kind of all dropping and people are kind

01:37:40.320 of, you know, Ian Omar has a primary next week.

01:37:42.540 So we'll see how that goes.

01:37:44.020 Please keep AOC in Congress. 0.83

01:37:45.760 She hates her job in Congress so much.

01:37:48.320 Please keep her there.

01:37:49.260 She wanted to be out there tearing down hostage posters and rioting with her comrades.

01:37:53.700 Please don't primary her. 0.99

01:37:55.020 Keep her in Congress where she hates. 0.92

01:37:57.600 She'll stay until the Kardashians leave their network.

01:38:00.720 And then she can just sub right in with the job she's wanted all along.

01:38:05.280 All right.

01:38:05.460 I got to go.

01:38:06.120 It is interesting, though, that there's been like the backlash against the squad.

01:38:09.180 That tells us something.

01:38:10.360 Guys, so great to have you.

01:38:11.600 Thanks for being here.

01:38:13.020 Anytime.

01:38:13.680 Thank you, Taffy.

01:38:17.140 It's Taffy-ing to you.

01:38:18.440 When we get to know each other better.

01:38:22.240 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:38:24.400 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 07, 2024

Media Pushes Vibes Over Reality, and Walz ＂Stolen Valor＂ Questions, with Mark Halperin, Drew Holden, Stephen L. Miller, and Tom Behrends ｜ Ep. 857

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