The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Quits Biden Cognitive Fitness Cover-Up, and Trump Gets Massive Immunity Ruling From Supreme Court, with Charlie Kirk

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00:00:30.920 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:41.840 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.380 We are officially halfway through 2024.

00:00:48.060 And the big question is whether President Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee by the end of this week.

00:00:55.760 We know the media revolt against him is well underway.

00:00:59.100 Paper after paper, suddenly reporting on the story that has been obvious to just about anyone with eyes and ears for months and, let's be honest, years now.

00:01:10.500 Joe Biden is struggling and his age has caught up with him.

00:01:14.280 It's not a pleasant story to report on.

00:01:15.980 No one's enjoying watching this, but we've been forced to by Jill Biden and the cabal around him and by the candidate himself.

00:01:24.660 We on this show reported on Joe Biden's obviously faltering mental cognition more than two years ago.

00:01:34.700 That was episode 339.

00:01:36.760 We talked about it on the show before we did it, saying, look, it feels kind of mean.

00:01:43.020 It feels a little rude, but it's a story.

00:01:46.360 And not a lot of people were doing it back then.

00:01:48.600 But that was at a time when the Democrats could still have realistically held a competitive primary.

00:01:56.580 Others should have been honest about what we were all seeing.

00:01:59.820 People with influence among the far left in particular.

00:02:03.280 But they wouldn't.

00:02:04.700 They were running cover for the guy they thought could beat the modern day Hitler, Donald Trump.

00:02:10.080 So many in the larger media and members of the president's staff and family have been lying to you for a very long time and asking you not to believe your lying eyes.

00:02:23.280 Now, however, in the wake of Mr.

00:02:25.240 Biden's disastrous debate performance, the media elite have finally woken up and they are in full on panic mode as they attempt to push out this president.

00:02:36.760 Here's just a small sampling from over the past two days.

00:02:40.080 From The New York Times, the headline to serve his country, President Biden should leave the race.

00:02:46.460 The editorial board writing in part, as it stands, the president is engaged in a reckless gamble.

00:02:52.580 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution writing, it's time for Biden to pass the torch.

00:02:57.420 Let's not forget, Georgia has become a critical swing state.

00:03:01.280 From The New Yorker, for the president to insist on remaining the Democratic candidate would be an act not only of self-delusion, but of national endangerment.

00:03:10.080 Editor David Remnick evoking Mark Twain's quote, it is sad to go to pieces like this, but we all have to do it.

00:03:17.480 Speaking of aging, writing, quote, on Thursday night, it was Joe Biden's turn.

00:03:21.460 But unlike the rest of us, he went to pieces on CNN in front of tens of millions of his compatriots.

00:03:29.040 Both The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal editorial boards did not go that far, but said bowing out should be seriously considered by the president.

00:03:36.940 Something Van Jones echoed on CNN moments after the debate.

00:03:41.780 Maureen Dowd and Tom Friedman at The New York Times.

00:03:44.640 We know that Mr. Biden himself reads Maureen Dowd religiously.

00:03:49.060 We believe her column was the reason he finally acknowledged his seventh grandchild, Navy Biden.

00:03:54.260 Both Dowd and Tom Friedman at The Times calling for Mr.

00:03:58.120 Biden to step aside, Dowd in acerbic terms, which I will quote in more full terms in a moment.

00:04:06.660 Their colleague, Ezra Klein, who's been calling for an open convention since February, took a victory lap on his podcast and spared no one around the president.

00:04:18.140 Mr. Biden's favorite TV show host, Joe Scarborough, said it was time for the president to consider leaving this race to help his party defeat Donald Trump.

00:04:28.700 And this didn't just come from America.

00:04:32.420 Britain's largest culture or current affairs magazine, The Economist, called on President Biden to step aside.

00:04:39.400 And yet there's always the one.

00:04:40.980 The Philadelphia Inquirer's editorial board taking a different tact, instead calling on Trump to leave the race, saying, quote, Biden had a horrible night Thursday, but the debate about the debate is misplaced.

00:04:55.900 The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

00:04:59.820 It's not just the media, though the media matters, especially in Democrat circles.

00:05:04.860 Democrat donors, too, are unhappy.

00:05:06.940 And a call between the Biden campaign and a large group of them is scheduled for this evening.

00:05:12.420 Money talks.

00:05:13.740 We're also hearing reports of some delegates already pledged to Joe Biden in a.

00:05:20.480 Major freak out, saying, how on earth am I going to vote for this guy?

00:05:25.020 Chris Eliza had a piece on this.

00:05:27.140 How am I going to actually go in there and do what I've been pledged to do when I understand this guy cannot be the president for four more years?

00:05:34.540 My guest for the full show today is someone I've been wanting to talk to since the debate.

00:05:39.280 And that's Charlie Kirk.

00:05:40.360 He's founder and CEO of Turning Point USA.

00:05:43.060 You can get involved and should at tpusa.com.

00:05:47.860 And he is host of the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.

00:05:53.780 Charlie, great to have you.

00:05:54.920 He's also out with a new book that's available to buy right now.

00:05:57.300 It's called Right Wing Revolution, How to Beat the Woke and Save the West.

00:06:01.980 All of which got a big assist, thanks to the president's performance on Thursday night.

00:06:05.940 Charlie, welcome back.

00:06:08.160 So the media, almost universally, left wing media, but I repeat myself, has turned on him.

00:06:15.240 But the top Democrat politicians, Obama, Hillary, Hakeem Jeffries in the House, James Clyburn, publicly have not, though there are reports now that behind closed doors, Pelosi, Jeffries and Clyburn have all expressed serious doubts about his ability to continue.

00:06:36.760 So where does that leave us today on Monday?

00:06:38.520 Well, first, I want to tell you the story, how I kind of saw the debate.

00:06:43.060 And I think it's really important because those of us that are in free thinking media, we weren't that necessarily surprised by what we saw.

00:06:50.920 So I watched the debate kind of alone, quarantined without anybody around.

00:06:55.060 I want to get my own opinions and my own perspectives shaped.

00:06:58.840 So I'm watching the debate and Biden glitches and he kind of overloads and he talks about beating Medicare and all that.

00:07:05.100 I said, oh, you know, that's just another day at the White House.

00:07:07.840 You know, I for me, the the way that I was expecting a glitch that would be really bad would be like Joe Biden capsizing or, you know, him, you know, completely stumbling over his words for 10 or 15, 10 or 15 seconds straight.

00:07:21.680 So I said, OK, that's bad. But, you know, obviously, the American people are used to that.

00:07:25.320 What was shocking, Megan, is that no, they aren't used to that is because the mainstream media for the last couple of years have been involved in an active cover up operation of Joe Biden's failing mental state.

00:07:38.300 And there was no ability to cover it up right there.

00:07:40.780 It was 50 million people, plus the tens of millions of others that saw clips of it and the tens of millions of others that saw the debate coverage.

00:07:47.180 And the media realized we can no longer do what we've been doing.

00:07:51.340 We can no longer cover up for this. We can no longer lie. We can no longer smear.

00:07:56.000 And you saw in real time that there was a green light lit as soon as that CNN debate ended.

00:08:03.600 John King, he was the one that crossed the Rubicon. He was the one that launched that original salvo.

00:08:08.900 John King says, I'm talking to lots of senior Democrats and they believe that it's time to remove him.

00:08:14.400 And then all of a sudden, Chris Wallace piled on. And it was as if as soon as that began.

00:08:18.540 Van Jones, David Axelrod.

00:08:20.500 Yes, it was fashionable all of a sudden to go after Joe Biden.

00:08:24.140 And again, there this on a scale of like one to ten of Joe Biden's typical press conference.

00:08:31.180 It was bad, but it wasn't as bad as what we saw when he's reading the teleprompter that says, stop talking.

00:08:36.980 Or where he's just kind of meandering and he can't find the stairs.

00:08:40.660 But it just goes to show how millions of people in this country have still not been exposed to what you and I see on a daily basis.

00:08:49.480 And it's remarkable how much power the propaganda still have.

00:08:53.560 Donald Trump, you know, baited Joe Biden into this.

00:08:56.400 And Joe Biden thought that he was going to be able to tighten the race and show that it's a choice between the stable Joe Biden and the out of control Donald Trump.

00:09:05.660 The exact opposite has happened.

00:09:06.960 And the Democrats are stuck on the surface.

00:09:09.440 We're seeing people like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and major donors like Reid Hoffman still have support for Joe Biden.

00:09:16.560 But do you know what I find so interesting, Megan, is that for the first time since Joe Biden has become president, we are actually getting leaks out of the White House.

00:09:24.840 For the first time that Joe Biden has become president, we're getting reporting.

00:09:29.460 I'm looking at Politico.com and they say private conversations detail that they want to fire aides and they want to.

00:09:35.980 I said, wait a second.

00:09:37.040 Where has this been during the border crisis or inflation or Ukraine?

00:09:41.380 When Donald Trump was president, I knew how the deputy intern for communications liked her coffee.

00:09:47.560 When Donald Trump was president.

00:09:48.660 Here's the question, Charlie.

00:09:49.820 Have we always been getting leaks, but only now they're reporting it because the media is finally in a panic?

00:09:54.680 That's exactly right.

00:09:56.060 Yes.

00:09:56.660 And so they've just now decided to do reporting.

00:09:59.760 And the specificity that New York Times, Bloomberg and Politico had about a walled off Camp David meeting.

00:10:06.680 And it's amazing that, you know, the Biden family, it's very mafioso over there.

00:10:10.600 They say, you know, we're going to fire some of our top aides because the debate was not good.

00:10:15.020 I said, wait a second.

00:10:15.500 So you're going to fire some top aides over a bad debate performance,

00:10:18.440 but not over the fact that we have 7 million people that have come to this country illegally.

00:10:22.220 You're running, you know, meat grinder in eastern Ukraine or we have hyperinflation.

00:10:26.040 No, but what's going to get the aides on the chopping block is the fact that Joe Biden,

00:10:30.520 you know, they didn't get his chemistry right that night.

00:10:32.960 But I think you're exactly right that the media has been receiving leaks for some time.

00:10:36.880 But now they're in an active measure of doing reporting and amazing.

00:10:41.680 Because they want to get rid of it.

00:10:42.440 It's really telling.

00:10:42.720 Now they realize we can no longer hide it.

00:10:45.200 The public's seen it.

00:10:46.420 And therefore, he needs to be turfed.

00:10:47.860 We got to get rid of this guy ASAP, even though we were complicit.

00:10:51.120 By the way, here's my favorite.

00:10:52.620 You obviously have been reporting about Joe Biden's snafus, glitches, whatever you want to call them.

00:10:58.980 So have we.

00:10:59.500 This is my favorite of the entire election season.

00:11:01.380 By favorite, I mean the one that was most telling.

00:11:04.040 Like, look at this guy.

00:11:05.120 Here it is.

00:11:05.560 Imagine what we can do next.

00:11:09.440 Four more years.

00:11:12.200 Four more years.

00:11:14.060 Four more years.

00:11:15.500 Charlie.

00:11:16.700 He said to pause.

00:11:18.240 Four more years.

00:11:19.260 Oh, yeah.

00:11:19.940 Pause.

00:11:20.860 I mean, there's a million of them.

00:11:23.060 Oh, there's there's there's hundreds that I could just think of where he just goes.

00:11:28.840 And but no one covers it.

00:11:30.460 So it doesn't get into the main zeitgeist and it doesn't get into the main narrative.

00:11:34.340 What was the debate was different, though.

00:11:37.040 To CNN's credit, they opened up the debate to every network, which I didn't think they were going to do.

00:11:42.080 And CNN in some ways was far more fair and like unusually neutral.

00:11:48.040 And I'm still not sure how to deal with that.

00:11:50.500 It's kind of bothered me the last couple of days.

00:11:53.240 And the other part was this.

00:11:54.600 As soon as I watched the debate, as it was over, I texted.

00:11:57.520 We did a live stream and I texted our friends, my buddies.

00:12:00.600 I said, CNN lost Joe Biden in the debate because they went split screen.

00:12:05.040 They didn't go full screen when the when the presenter was when they went split screen.

00:12:09.540 And when Donald Donald Trump was talking, I mean, again, I love Trump.

00:12:13.220 And so they ask him about child care.

00:12:14.460 He starts talking about the border.

00:12:15.240 They ask about the environment.

00:12:16.100 He talks about the border.

00:12:17.100 So Donald Trump's talking about the border, half the debate, which is good for him.

00:12:19.920 And you're not even listening to Trump.

00:12:21.600 You're watching Joe Biden.

00:12:22.840 Right.

00:12:23.280 You know, with his mouth open, stare into the abyss.

00:12:26.080 And you're distracted because Joe Biden became the center of gravity and Donald Trump really

00:12:31.800 didn't get as much attention.

00:12:33.420 And CNN did that with the split screen.

00:12:35.800 Secondly, and I'll just say this.

00:12:37.160 Everybody noticed that because I my audience knows that I listen to a lot of my news.

00:12:41.960 I listen to it as opposed to read it.

00:12:43.860 I'd like to have it read to me.

00:12:44.960 And I use this app called Voice Dream, which is amazing.

00:12:47.000 It reads your news articles to you.

00:12:48.580 Anyway, everybody noticed it.

00:12:50.820 Everyone noticed how Joe Biden was looking at all the left wing press.

00:12:54.420 And the funny thing that I experienced over the weekend was the word agape, which is

00:12:59.920 how his mouth was.

00:13:00.940 The whole debate is read by my little Voice Dream lady as agape.

00:13:05.320 And she said it so many times.

00:13:06.480 Which is the Greek word for love.

00:13:07.220 I was like, what is this?

00:13:07.980 Some native tribe that loves pineapples?

00:13:10.340 What is agape?

00:13:11.420 It was obvious.

00:13:12.340 I heard it so many times.

00:13:13.540 The mainstream media was pointing out.

00:13:15.920 That's just something remarkable.

00:13:17.580 How old and infirm are you if the jaw is now hanging open while you're just in listening

00:13:23.880 mode?

00:13:25.740 Well, so a couple of things on that.

00:13:27.760 And yeah, that's hilariously.

00:13:28.820 That's the Greek word for sacrificial love, but has no application of that.

00:13:32.360 But the ear, the ear is fairer than the eye.

00:13:35.900 And by the way, that's why I love podcasting.

00:13:38.200 I believe this for a very long time, that the listening of the orally transmitted word

00:13:44.500 is a lot fairer to get to truth.

00:13:46.700 And the eye deceives us.

00:13:48.000 And I think that as America's become, and this is a totally separate issue, but more

00:13:52.060 towards podcasting and alternative media, we've gotten closer to the truth than just

00:13:56.360 video consumption or cable television broadcasting, which obviously you and I did for quite some

00:14:01.280 time.

00:14:01.540 So when you listen and when you listen to the debate, you're more likely to listen to what

00:14:07.960 arguments are they making?

00:14:09.360 What are they saying?

00:14:11.000 And interestingly, it's very similar, by the way, to the Nixon JFK debate in the 1960s.

00:14:16.040 When people listen to this debate, they did not have as dramatic of opinions as people who

00:14:21.680 actually saw what Joe Biden looked like and saw that he was completely incapable.

00:14:27.100 Oh, yeah.

00:14:27.320 No, they saw the entire thing.

00:14:29.160 And I'll say one other thing on this, which I think is really important, is that a picture

00:14:33.500 and and that was one of his better pictures of the night, by the way.

00:14:38.080 And so the there's there's a disagreement amongst the media of exactly how to handle this.

00:14:46.400 And each institution, you could tell, has kind of their own their own way of approaches.

00:14:52.360 The New York Times just went completely all out the next morning.

00:14:56.480 All Thomas Freedom, New York.

00:14:58.800 I mean, it was just one after the other, after the other Chicago Tribune.

00:15:03.520 We've got to get rid of Joe Biden, the Atlantic.

00:15:05.760 And then there was the Washington Post is not quite there yet.

00:15:08.300 They said, you know, Joe Biden has to spend some personal time with his family.

00:15:11.800 And now all eyes on who is really running the country, very similar, by the way, to when

00:15:17.320 Woodrow Wilson, a very bad president, was declining towards the end of his presidency.

00:15:21.400 And Edith Wilson basically took control of the American presidency, which was his wife,

00:15:27.020 is Jill Biden.

00:15:28.220 Jill Biden is effectively running the country right now.

00:15:30.720 No one voted for Jill Biden.

00:15:32.340 No one really knows who she is.

00:15:33.580 And she's not even a real doctor.

00:15:34.880 No, she's not a real doctor.

00:15:37.080 Even today, she's on the cover of Vogue now.

00:15:39.200 She got the Vogue treatment, something they never did for Melania Trump, a literal supermodel.

00:15:43.780 But Jill Biden's on the front of it now.

00:15:45.840 And you can see it says we will decide our future, though.

00:15:48.780 She was talking about women's rights.

00:15:50.140 In any event, as she parades herself out there as, I guess, some sort of a fashion model.

00:15:56.340 OK, we are reminded of just last month.

00:15:59.820 It was June 6th.

00:16:00.980 Today's July 1st.

00:16:02.100 A couple of weeks ago, when she tweeted out a picture of herself sitting there with Joe

00:16:06.120 Biden's jacket over her chair preparing for the G7.

00:16:10.040 She's why is she going to the this 2021?

00:16:13.160 OK, so it's 2021.

00:16:14.220 Even worse.

00:16:14.720 How long has she been in charge?

00:16:15.900 And the problem is that all of the Democrats' hopes come down to what this woman wants.

00:16:21.980 All of them come down to what.

00:16:23.980 Can you imagine if they did this with Melania Trump preparing for the G7, sitting in the

00:16:27.840 president's chair?

00:16:28.380 Oh, my goodness.

00:16:28.980 The G7.

00:16:30.080 And so they had a meeting at Camp David yesterday on Sunday with intimate family and advisors.

00:16:36.780 The NBC News had reported out that they were going to do this.

00:16:39.240 It was a pre-scheduled meeting, but that the focus had been updated to include President

00:16:43.560 Biden's future.

00:16:44.240 Then the White House tried to deny it.

00:16:46.380 Then the White House got mad at NBC for not reporting that this has been pre-planned.

00:16:50.400 Then NBC sniped back.

00:16:51.580 It's in paragraph to suck it.

00:16:53.700 And that was my addition.

00:16:54.860 And they had this meeting.

00:16:56.460 And who who decided what he's going to do?

00:16:59.320 Reportedly, Jill Biden and Hunter Biden.

00:17:02.640 Yep.

00:17:03.300 The biggest grifter in the administration.

00:17:06.300 And honestly, Jill Biden turns out to be a bit of a grifter, too.

00:17:08.800 She's she's power hungry.

00:17:10.020 She's like a Hillary Clinton.

00:17:11.720 She's not a Laura Bush.

00:17:12.780 She's not a Melania Trump.

00:17:14.440 She's not somebody who's just there to support her husband.

00:17:16.360 She seems to me like somebody who is out for her own power and can't let go.

00:17:23.380 And it's it's staring at us in the face.

00:17:25.760 What if they pull Joe Biden with Jill Biden?

00:17:27.540 And I'm not kidding.

00:17:28.680 First female president.

00:17:30.360 Joe can still be around.

00:17:31.800 He's his health is not the same way.

00:17:34.180 But I mean, it's right.

00:17:35.400 It's staring at us right in the face.

00:17:36.760 It's not Michelle Obama or Gretchen Whitmer.

00:17:38.740 What did you say?

00:17:39.320 It's Biden.

00:17:40.900 Think about it, though.

00:17:42.760 I mean, she's on the front cover of Vogue.

00:17:45.540 They don't have to change the ballots.

00:17:46.920 It's still voting for Biden.

00:17:48.140 Joe can still be around as a senior advisor.

00:17:50.300 He's not who he used to be.

00:17:51.800 First female president in a year makes Roe more front and center.

00:17:56.080 Why why why would they go outside of the family territory?

00:17:59.400 Remember primary colors?

00:18:01.140 And the guy who played J.R. Ewing, what was his name?

00:18:03.880 Larry.

00:18:04.720 You remember Hagman.

00:18:06.220 He was playing the role of like the more reasonable candidate.

00:18:08.960 And he was running and then he had to withdraw.

00:18:11.860 Anyway, and then he died.

00:18:14.000 But then it keeps.

00:18:15.520 Yes.

00:18:16.020 And it keeps Joe Biden around for all of his relationships.

00:18:18.820 But then, you know, Jill Biden can't be accused of all the same things.

00:18:23.440 You know, mental decline.

00:18:24.340 And she can even say, hey, I was kind of running this place, you know,

00:18:27.460 and I kind of know what I'm doing.

00:18:29.660 I have never heard anybody say this.

00:18:30.540 This is the first person I've heard say it's possibly Jill.

00:18:33.600 And it's not insane.

00:18:37.320 I think it's the most probable.

00:18:39.240 She's not in the betting markets.

00:18:40.500 No one's thinking it.

00:18:41.660 She's now more front and center, front page of Vogue.

00:18:44.800 And it's the same last name.

00:18:46.220 So you don't have this huge switch.

00:18:49.440 Right.

00:18:50.060 Think about it.

00:18:50.600 OK, I love I love it as a possibility.

00:18:52.920 I don't think it's going to happen, but I love it as a possibility.

00:18:55.940 And if it does happen, you're coming back on to take a victory lap.

00:18:58.960 I want to talk like it's so brutal.

00:19:01.960 What what what they've been writing?

00:19:03.980 The Maureen Dowd column in particular was just absolutely unsparing.

00:19:07.860 And as I say, he reads that like we know that he reads that he likes Maureen.

00:19:12.920 He I think he begrudgingly likes Maureen trying to find it here.

00:19:16.680 Hold on a second.

00:19:17.240 My team will tell me what page my Maureen Dowd thing is on.

00:19:19.780 Is it in my update?

00:19:20.540 You guys hold on a second.

00:19:21.700 Looking for it.

00:19:24.080 Then bye.

00:19:26.160 But let's before I get to that, let's just talk about the split, though, between what we're

00:19:29.980 hearing from the press, Charlie, and what we're hearing from the top advisers.

00:19:32.340 So I believe that it's just a matter like what Obama and Hillary and Jeffries and Clyburn

00:19:37.420 are doing is just the outward facing initial front.

00:19:40.460 Like that's just the infantry saying, no, we're still marching.

00:19:43.460 But behind closed doors, you know, they're having meetings about all of this, because

00:19:46.360 even the papers that are defending him are saying if if Joe Biden and Jill are convinced

00:19:51.880 he's going to cost the Democrats seats at the House level, at the Senate level and

00:19:56.460 on the local races across the board, then he'll rethink this.

00:19:59.820 And so as they do those calculations, if that comes to the wrong conclusions for the

00:20:03.840 Dems, all those people will turn on him in a second, maybe not outwardly.

00:20:07.520 Again, they'll go to him privately.

00:20:09.460 But I don't believe there are public protestations that they're still that he's still OK for

00:20:14.100 the job and that they're still behind him.

00:20:15.540 Do you?

00:20:17.600 No.

00:20:18.140 And look, they're going to get into self-preservation mode, especially in some of these dangerous

00:20:22.420 Senate races.

00:20:23.100 If, for example, Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, if he if he thinks he's going to lose his seat

00:20:30.460 because of Biden, you know, losing by five or six points or at the top threshold, even

00:20:36.740 more than that, he's going to they're going to cut bait.

00:20:39.020 Or if Tammy Baldwin, incumbent Democrat senator in Wisconsin, same sort of thing.

00:20:43.680 John Tester in Montana is basically a dead man walking.

00:20:46.560 But how about Ruben Gallego in Arizona?

00:20:48.760 They really want that race.

00:20:50.060 Carrie Lake could become a U.S.

00:20:51.160 senator if you think they hate Donald Trump, they hate Carrie Lake almost as much.

00:20:54.960 So you go around the map here of incumbent Democrat senators, Sherrod Brown in Ohio, for

00:21:00.360 example.

00:21:01.100 And the reason is this, is that a presidential candidate has what is called tails and a really,

00:21:06.880 really good presidential candidate will overperform the down ballot Senate races.

00:21:12.320 When a candidate is bad, the down ballot will overperform the top ballot.

00:21:16.960 So what we're seeing right now is Democrat down ballot Senate candidates like Sherrod Brown and Ruben

00:21:23.300 Gallego and Casey are overperforming Biden by anywhere between five to ten points.

00:21:29.240 Inversely, Donald Trump is overperforming even the best Republican candidates like Sam Brown against Jackie

00:21:35.620 Rosen in Nevada by four to four to six points.

00:21:39.420 So you're looking at almost a ten point delta at times that is growing.

00:21:43.320 It is not narrowing, especially as Biden's numbers are going down.

00:21:45.960 We have not even seen the data from the debate really set into polling.

00:21:50.060 We have some shock polls, but it usually takes a week or two to really kind of digest that and understand where we are.

00:21:55.940 We're seeing the warning signs, though, that this could have collateral damage all the way down the ballot.

00:22:01.020 And so people are very focused, Megan, on, oh, is Obama, Schumer, Pelosi going to pull Biden?

00:22:06.980 It's more likely that it will be bottom up, not top down.

00:22:10.540 Top down would be Obama, Schumer, Pelosi.

00:22:14.200 Bottom up would be Hakeem Jeffries.

00:22:17.000 It would be Senate candidates that say, guys, we're going to lose everything and get even get far away from

00:22:22.200 majority if Joe Biden remains at the top of the ticket.

00:22:24.680 I love your mentioning Carrie Lake.

00:22:27.440 You're right.

00:22:28.080 They hate her.

00:22:29.720 Somebody behind closed doors, some Democrat saying we're talking Carrie Lake sweeps at the Senate level.

00:22:37.220 That'll get people's attention.

00:22:38.800 You're absolutely right.

00:22:39.700 OK, I found the Maureen Dowd piece.

00:22:41.160 I have so many to go through.

00:22:42.580 But here's Maureen Dowd in part.

00:22:45.040 The ghastly versus the ghostly.

00:22:47.800 He's being selfish.

00:22:49.640 He's putting himself ahead of the country.

00:22:51.520 He's surrounded by opportunistic enablers.

00:22:54.760 He's created a reality distortion field where we're told not to believe what we've plainly seen.

00:23:00.180 His hubris is infuriating.

00:23:02.200 He says he's doing this for us, but he's really doing it for himself.

00:23:05.500 I'm not talking about Donald Trump.

00:23:07.100 I'm talking about the other president.

00:23:09.780 She goes on.

00:23:10.920 Jill Biden, lacking the detachment of a Melania and enjoying the role of First Lady Moore,

00:23:15.620 has been pushing and shielding her husband beyond a reasonable point.

00:23:19.940 Speaking of Biden at the debate, he looked ghostly with that trepidatious gait.

00:23:26.040 He couldn't remember his rehearsed lines or numbers.

00:23:28.860 He has age related issues and those go in only one direction.

00:23:33.040 By the way, that's the key point for the entire day.

00:23:35.400 It was heart wrenching to watch the president's childhood stammer return.

00:23:39.760 My God, I've heard that in a few places.

00:23:41.100 Sure.

00:23:41.420 It was the stammer.

00:23:43.700 It goes in only one direction.

00:23:45.500 To me, Charlie, that's the response to virtually all the defenders that I've seen out there who say it was one bad night.

00:23:50.900 It was one bad night that you're complete.

00:23:53.000 Obviously, it's gaslighting, but what the defendant defenders of the president who may have sincere hopes that he can rebound are missing is these are all age related issues.

00:24:02.720 And unlike Barack Obama in 2012, when he was still in his 40s, he age only goes in one one direction.

00:24:11.140 And dementia, if that's what the president is suffering from, yes, only goes in one direction.

00:24:15.440 And everyone knows that because we've all taken care of an elderly relative or seen it done by friends.

00:24:21.040 No, that's exactly right.

00:24:24.200 I mean, the only exception is I think Donald Trump is getting younger in this campaign.

00:24:27.220 I think the more he gets indicted, there's some sort of life force that comes out of him.

00:24:30.400 He looks better today than he did three years ago.

00:24:32.240 Age does not reverse any person.

00:24:33.460 I'm sorry.

00:24:33.580 I'm just I know, but he looks maybe, but that's it.

00:24:38.940 OK, but the look, Joe Biden is on a on a slow motion and not so not so much of a slow motion decline.

00:24:45.880 And it is not one bad night.

00:24:48.220 It has been a couple of years of this being covered up.

00:24:53.020 And that's what's so critical.

00:24:54.060 This must be broadened.

00:24:55.560 And there's this incredible sizzle reel of every major Democrat saying he's the sharpest I've ever seen.

00:25:01.360 He asks great questions.

00:25:03.640 He's wonderful that this now needs to be an indictment of the entire Democrat Party, which plays into, by the way, one of Donald Trump's greatest strengths.

00:25:12.560 One of Donald Trump's greatest strengths is that they're lying to you.

00:25:16.600 They're not telling you the truth.

00:25:18.280 So put me in office.

00:25:19.660 I might not be the nice guy, but I'll plainly speak the truth to you.

00:25:23.520 And I'm going to tell the truth about the big stuff that we're losing jobs and our border is open.

00:25:28.180 So put me in office. And so the pattern now we see of how much we have been lied to and gaslit from the vaccine to lockdowns, to the war in Ukraine, to the origin of covid, to the wide open border, to there is no inflation, to inflation is good, to inflation is transitory.

00:25:44.600 The repetition of lies. Now you can add to it that Joe Biden is completely coherent and knows where he is.

00:25:51.500 And this was not a bad debate performance.

00:25:54.480 A bad debate performance is what Barack Obama had against Mitt Romney in 2012 for the first debate.

00:26:00.480 This was a this was a health crisis on display.

00:26:05.500 A bad debate performance is that you forget some of your points.

00:26:09.060 This is something completely different.

00:26:10.540 This is that anybody who has dealt with someone suffering with Alzheimer's or dementia or some, you know, sister or cousin of it, it almost looked like sundowner syndrome.

00:26:18.680 Like as soon as the sun goes down, like he's he's checking out or he he's does not have the same faculties.

00:26:25.420 According to Politico dot com, he came off the stage and said to Jill Biden, I don't know if I felt my best.

00:26:32.320 I don't really know what happened there.

00:26:34.020 Kind of like completely.

00:26:35.840 Where was my adrenaline shot?

00:26:37.480 Jill Biden was out on the campaign and she said that Joe said to her, I didn't feel well.

00:26:42.940 I don't know what happened.

00:26:43.680 I didn't feel well.

00:26:44.600 So now it's OK.

00:26:45.860 What?

00:26:46.160 Oh, it was a cold.

00:26:47.080 He had a cold problem.

00:26:48.280 Now it's I didn't feel well.

00:26:50.460 You know, you've got more.

00:26:51.560 Maureen Dowd did take him to task, as did many others.

00:26:53.900 But they keep mentioning his stammer.

00:26:55.480 It wasn't about his damn stammer.

00:26:57.840 Just stop that.

00:26:59.140 We know what we saw.

00:27:00.440 And the honest Democrats and I will give credit to Ezra Klein.

00:27:04.140 He's one of them, at least in response to this, has been saying the same.

00:27:07.120 Like he's been consistent.

00:27:08.840 Yeah.

00:27:09.040 Like you cannot gaslight the American public.

00:27:11.220 And was it it was one of the former Obama guys, David Plouffer, Ben Rhodes, who came out and said, yeah, I think you can't you can't gaslight people.

00:27:19.860 The answer here is not to tell people they didn't see what they know they saw.

00:27:24.700 So but they they'll continue to try.

00:27:28.020 I want to just mention we're taping the show early today because I have an appointment during the live show that we normally do.

00:27:34.060 The news just hit.

00:27:36.460 Trump just got a very good reading ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court on immunity.

00:27:40.400 It just hit.

00:27:41.580 It's 1037 as you and I are speaking.

00:27:43.800 And we'll have to read the opinion because this is going to be a confusing and nuanced one.

00:27:48.540 But six to three in favor of upholding the following.

00:27:54.520 It's written by Chief Justice Roberts.

00:27:56.840 A former president has absolute immunity for his core constitutional powers.

00:28:02.220 Former presidents are also entitled to at least a presumption of immunity for their official acts held under our constitutional structure of separated powers.

00:28:13.100 The nature of presidential power entitles a former president to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority.

00:28:24.140 And he is entitled to at least a presumptive immunity for from prosecution for all of his official acts.

00:28:29.580 All of them.

00:28:30.520 There is no immunity for unofficial acts.

00:28:32.760 This is a great ruling for Trump.

00:28:34.980 This is the best he could hope for.

00:28:36.260 He can't.

00:28:36.540 This is huge.

00:28:37.080 Even his lawyer was not arguing that he gets absolute immunity for all unofficial acts.

00:28:42.300 His lawyer was conceding at the oral argument.

00:28:45.120 There.

00:28:45.380 Sure.

00:28:45.920 There are some unofficial acts that he made.

00:28:47.880 Well, so.

00:28:48.620 As candidate Trump that he wouldn't be protected for.

00:28:52.240 Well, think about it.

00:28:53.300 Some of the checks in the New York Bragg case are written as when he is president.

00:28:56.420 But you have to understand that if they're talking.

00:29:00.840 Well, but now all of a sudden they did.

00:29:02.740 Was it an official act?

00:29:04.800 Was it was it?

00:29:05.380 No, of course.

00:29:06.060 If you're saying, though, that there's some unofficial presumption of immunity.

00:29:10.260 Is that what you're saying?

00:29:11.960 For unofficial acts like let's take the most obvious.

00:29:14.720 The court actually mentions this appointing an ambassador dealing with a foreign government.

00:29:21.280 Those would be obvious official acts for which he would receive absolute immunity.

00:29:25.160 But other official duties that were, you know, may or may not be clear, get a presumption of immunity that can be pierced.

00:29:31.200 There's going to have to be a factual inquiry.

00:29:32.680 I guarantee you, without having read the rest of the decision, they're going to remand it down to the D.C.

00:29:36.060 Circuit to come up with or down to the district court to come up with a factual determination on whether the actions alleged here are official of absolute immunity.

00:29:48.020 The official acts, official acts that get the presumption or obviously unofficial acts made purely as a candidate like his lawyer conceded that wouldn't get any presumption.

00:29:57.740 By the way, here's just to get you up to speed.

00:29:59.880 Here's Trump's lawyer at the oral argument conceding a series of events that would not be official at all.

00:30:05.580 Watch.

00:30:09.940 And I want to know if you agree or disagree about the characterization of these acts as private.

00:30:15.400 Petitioner turned to a private attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead his challenges to the election results.

00:30:22.280 Private?

00:30:22.920 As alleged.

00:30:23.640 I mean, we dispute the allegation, but that sounds private to me.

00:30:26.200 Sounds private.

00:30:26.660 Petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing in court of a verification signed by Petitioner that contained false allegations to support a challenge.

00:30:35.400 That also sounds private.

00:30:36.980 Three private actors, two attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

00:30:47.880 And Petitioner and a co-conspirator attorney directed that effort.

00:30:51.680 You write it quickly.

00:30:52.900 I believe that's private.

00:30:54.000 I don't want to.

00:30:54.600 So those acts you would not dispute.

00:30:56.340 Those were private.

00:30:57.480 And you wouldn't raise a claim that they were official.

00:30:59.660 As characterized.

00:31:00.200 We would say, Your Honor, if I may, what we would say is official is things like meeting with the Department of Justice to deliberate about who's going to be the acting attorney general of the United States.

00:31:08.220 Sure.

00:31:08.620 Communicating with the American public.

00:31:10.220 Communicating with Congress about matters of enormous favor.

00:31:12.480 Thank you.

00:31:13.020 Thank you.

00:31:14.860 Very interesting.

00:31:15.740 And let me read you a little bit more here.

00:31:17.420 I believe what we're looking at is the quick write up from, is it SCOTUS blog, Kelly McGuire?

00:31:21.800 Um, the court explains that it does not need to decide in this case whether immunity for official acts is presumptive or absolute.

00:31:30.620 This is exactly what I just said.

00:31:31.680 They're going to remand it down to the lower courts to make a factual determination based on what's been alleged against Trump.

00:31:36.500 The court in part three of its opinion indicates that in this case, no court has thus far considered how to distinguish between official and unofficial acts.

00:31:45.060 And you heard Trump's lawyer there making a distinction saying, you know, consultations with the attorney general, that would be official acts.

00:31:51.920 Trump did talk to the acting attorney general about the election and what we knew and so on.

00:31:57.340 And this court is saying, as Trump's lawyer did, that would be an official act.

00:32:00.960 Um, but listen, uh, moreover, Roberts continues, quote, the lower courts rendered their decisions on a highly expedited basis and did not analyze the conduct alleged in the indictment to decide which of it should be categorized as official and which unofficial.

00:32:14.400 And that wasn't brief before the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:32:17.260 So this is back to SCOTUS blog analysis.

00:32:19.660 Uh, the Supreme Court's not going to make that determination now.

00:32:22.580 Instead, it will send the case back to the lower courts for further proceedings, although it does offer some guidance, quote, quoting here from the opinion.

00:32:28.420 Certain allegations, such as those involving Trump's discussions with the acting attorney general, are readily categorized in light of the nature of the president's official relationship to the office held by that individual.

00:32:40.820 That was the third point in the discussion we just heard with Amy Coney Barrett and Trump's lawyer.

00:32:44.500 They accepted Trump's lawyer's argument.

00:32:46.420 Other allegations, such as those involving Trump's interactions with the vice president, state of officials and certain private parties and his comments to the general public present more difficult questions.

00:32:56.420 Later in the opinion, the court does weigh in on some of the aspects, quote, Trump is absolutely immune from prosecution for the alleged conduct involving his discussions with Justice Department officials.

00:33:09.100 That's a that's a bulk of what he's been accused of doing, you know, that's illicit.

00:33:13.220 And they send it back to the district court to determine, among other things, quote, whether a prosecution involving Trump's attempts to influence the vice president's oversight of the certification proceeding and his capacity as president of the Senate would pose any dangers of intrusion on the authorities and functions of the executive branch.

00:33:29.500 So now, Charlie, to a factual inquiry by the district court, Judge Chutkin, who hates Trump, but she's going to get overruled if she lets her partisan politics control this decision on what exactly is being what what lives in Jack Smith's case against Trump and what dies and what's being alleged in an official capacity and what isn't.

00:33:50.740 And whatever she does will determine what's left. There's only a meager part of the January 6th case left in the wake of the Supreme Court's behavior last week.

00:34:00.040 But this also affects the Georgia case and the Mar-a-Lago case. Yes.

00:34:05.280 The Georgia case. I mean, some of the acts that we heard Trump's lawyer concede are done in the unofficial capacity.

00:34:11.400 Those will live on in the Georgia case, just like we heard that.

00:34:14.900 So it's not that all the cases go away, but it's an enormous victory for Donald Trump and frankly, for the presidency.

00:34:21.180 Huge. And the ability of presidents to make decisions without worrying about getting indicted writ large.

00:34:26.340 Yeah. And to your point, the Fulton County case, to remember, it's all hinges on him making a phone call while president of Brad Roffensperger.

00:34:34.260 Was that an official act? Was it an unofficial act? They're going to have to figure that one out.

00:34:39.340 This is massive. They bet the entire farm on lawfare, specifically on this presidential immunity case.

00:34:45.600 How much this is actually going to whittle down the indictments against Trump remains to be seen.

00:34:50.340 But understand, this has not been a good week for Democrats.

00:34:53.360 They thought that at this point in July of 2024, they thought they were going to be dealing with a damaged Donald Trump that barely got through a bitter primary with DeSantis.

00:35:03.020 They thought that Joe Biden was going to be leading in the polls with tons of money.

00:35:06.700 They thought that Donald Trump was going to be having two or three concurrent trials of state and federal.

00:35:12.100 Instead, it's the opposite.

00:35:13.560 They just had a debate that was one of the worst debates in American history.

00:35:16.800 They have an internal civil war brewing in the Democrat Party.

00:35:19.660 Donald Trump got two great Supreme Court decisions on the 1512C and also on that's the January 6th one.

00:35:26.560 And then also this particular one on presidential immunity.

00:35:30.660 You're about to see some really desperate stuff from the American Democrat Party, because this has been a very, very bad week for Democrats.

00:35:39.280 They bet the farm on Biden.

00:35:41.320 They bet it on the indictments.

00:35:43.400 And they are falling up very, very short.

00:35:45.880 Yeah, they ignored and covered up Biden's cognitive issues.

00:35:50.280 They put all their money behind lawfare and the lawfare is falling apart by the minute.

00:35:55.900 Fannie Willis is more than likely going to be bounced from this case, which could very well mean it doesn't get prosecuted at all.

00:36:01.880 It's going to have to go to this Georgia board of prosecuting attorneys at this board that oversees them.

00:36:06.300 We'll have to see whether somebody else will take it.

00:36:08.320 So her disqualification or the failure to disqualify her is going up an appeal right now to a to three judges, all of whom are Republican appointed down in Georgia.

00:36:17.160 That doesn't necessarily determine the day, but it's looking more promising for Trump down there.

00:36:22.500 And once she's gone, this case has very little chance of going forward.

00:36:25.260 So that's Georgia.

00:36:26.400 We saw what happened in New York.

00:36:27.860 Yes, Trump may get a terrible sentence on July 11th.

00:36:30.600 He's not going even if he sentenced him immediately to jail.

00:36:33.080 Trump would do an immediate appeal to the first department and he would get it.

00:36:36.220 He's not going to jail before November.

00:36:38.520 Yes, the Democrats were trying to say jail, jailbird, jailbird.

00:36:41.060 But that's not going to work.

00:36:42.540 I don't think it's going to work any better than convicted felon is working.

00:36:45.340 And then you've got the January 6th case, which was the scariest case against him in a number of ways, gutted at its core claim last week by the Supreme Court saying you can't bring an obstruction for of an official proceeding case against these J6 defendants, including Trump.

00:37:00.880 Leaving only two other lesser charges, which now may or may not have been gutted by today's decision.

00:37:06.380 And then there's Mar-a-Lago where they have a more Trump reasonable judge.

00:37:10.600 She's not in the tank for Trump, as his is her critics claim, but she's being reasonable and she's not like a Judge Chutkin or a Judge Mershon.

00:37:19.800 She's being fair.

00:37:20.760 So that case is rolling and it's going at a snail's pace.

00:37:23.180 Zero chance does it get decided before Election Day.

00:37:25.120 And if he wins, he can easily just pull the DOJ off of that case because it's a federal one.

00:37:29.020 And the case goes away like that.

00:37:31.420 Let me give you Eli Mistal, this lunatic who writes for the nation as their justice correspondent.

00:37:36.820 Biggest racist on MSNBC.

00:37:38.680 And that's saying something.

00:37:39.560 More racist than Joe Biden.

00:37:40.260 No, he's terrible.

00:37:40.940 Believe it or not.

00:37:42.040 He writes as follows.

00:37:43.880 Presidents are above the law.

00:37:46.460 This is what Republicans want.

00:37:48.540 Republicans control the courts.

00:37:50.340 So they won.

00:37:51.000 When I started talking about court expansion back in 2016, this is why.

00:37:55.940 Right.

00:37:56.200 Expand the court.

00:37:57.020 Here we go.

00:37:57.940 He continues.

00:37:59.420 So ends the part of the American experience where our leaders were bound by the rule of law.

00:38:04.860 Thanks for playing.

00:38:07.100 And then here's Donald Trump.

00:38:08.740 Big win for our Constitution and democracy.

00:38:11.760 Proud to be an American.

00:38:13.120 It is a big win.

00:38:13.900 And I have to tell you, I think, you know who else is thinking it's a big win?

00:38:17.140 Barack Obama.

00:38:18.360 Joe Biden.

00:38:19.680 Yes.

00:38:20.100 Bill Clinton.

00:38:21.620 Everybody who's been president.

00:38:25.200 Well, yeah, I mean, Barack Obama could be indicted for murdering an American citizen without due process on foreign soil when he drone strike that guy.

00:38:33.200 Oh, he's, you know, alleged on terror acts.

00:38:35.340 Wait, where was the trial?

00:38:36.340 Where was the due process?

00:38:37.660 Well, you know, honestly, I believe he should have presidential immunity, because if you start all of a sudden going back into the official acts, for example, should Joe Biden be able to be held criminally accountable for the reckless withdrawal of Afghanistan?

00:38:49.560 I mean, it was terrible.

00:38:50.560 I mean, it was terrible.

00:38:51.140 It was awful.

00:38:51.760 But no, I mean, that's an official act as president.

00:38:54.260 Every single president would then be would be able to be indicted by the next president for what he actually did as president, fulfilling his duty and terms as commander in chief.

00:39:06.260 And look, the Democrats, they were willing to put all of that in jeopardy because they would never believe that Democrats would actually be indicted on those things.

00:39:16.060 So instead, getting and defeating Donald Trump has become the the most important mission critical component of the Democrat regime.

00:39:27.580 It does not matter if the Constitution gets in the way.

00:39:30.000 It doesn't matter if tradition gets in the way.

00:39:32.160 It does.

00:39:32.460 None of that matters.

00:39:34.520 All that matters is we have to destroy Donald Trump.

00:39:37.380 And they they are so prideful that they think that if they destroy Donald Trump, they will hold on to power for 100 years.

00:39:43.040 They they they could not they can't believe that the American people would not continue to give them power for them.

00:39:49.680 It is all about obliterating Trump and the MAGA movement.

00:39:52.960 Thankfully, the Supreme Court did the right thing here.

00:39:55.880 Oh, and it's it's amazing.

00:39:57.880 I'm going to take a quick break and then I'm going to come back and I'm going to tell you what Justice Thomas wrote in his concurrence that bodes very poorly for the Jack Smith prosecution in Mar-a-Lago.

00:40:09.200 So, again, the one that hasn't been dinged up too badly yet, that continues to roll along and that Trump does need to worry about if he loses in November or does he?

00:40:21.420 I will read you what he wrote and we'll continue with our analysis.

00:40:24.260 There's so much more to get to.

00:40:25.120 God, the news is on fire today.

00:40:26.760 Don't go away.

00:40:27.300 More with Charlie Kirk right after this.

00:40:28.640 Turning Point USA's Charlie Kirk, author of Right Wing Revolution, is with me today as the news breaks about the Supreme Court finding that the president is entitled to absolute immunity for his official acts and a presumption of immunity for acts that may be official.

00:40:46.320 Only unofficial acts would not be immune for criminal prosecution.

00:40:50.020 A little bit more from the Roberts opinion.

00:40:52.040 Again, it's a six three decision with the three libs.

00:40:54.640 Sotomayor, Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson in the dissent.

00:40:58.540 Roberts writes that Trump asserts a far broader immunity than the limited one we have recognized.

00:41:04.920 As for the dissents, Roberts writes, they strike a tone of chilling doom that is wholly disproportionate to what the court actually does today.

00:41:14.000 Conclude that immunity extends to official discussions between the president and his attorney general and then remand to the lower courts to determine in the first instance whether and to what extent Trump's remaining alleged conduct is entitled to immunity.

00:41:29.340 Exactly as you and I just discussed, Charlie.

00:41:31.860 He goes on.

00:41:32.540 They go on to say Roberts writing in his conclusion, quote, this case poses a question of lasting significance.

00:41:39.340 He notes that the immunity question has not come up before, quote.

00:41:42.980 But in addressing that question today, unlike the political branches and the public at large, we cannot afford to fixate exclusively or even primarily on present exigencies, end quote.

00:41:53.320 He's trying to say this isn't just about Donald Trump.

00:41:55.420 This is about the executive branch and how presidents are going to be able to behave on a go forward basis.

00:42:01.720 Final substantive paragraph, quote.

00:42:03.920 The president enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts and not everything the president does is official.

00:42:10.000 The president is not above the law, but Congress may not criminalize the president's conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the executive branch under the Constitution.

00:42:20.680 And before I get to that, Justice Thomas Diddy I told you about, let me give you Justice Sotomayor.

00:42:27.500 He went after I was just sort of my or with one of the nastiest dissents, not respectfully, not.

00:42:32.940 She just was like, with our democracy at stake, I dissent.

00:42:36.540 Such a partisan.

00:42:36.920 That's basically what.

00:42:37.860 I got it.

00:42:38.760 I'm sorry, but Justice Sotomayor, really, she I think she's the worst justice.

00:42:43.680 I prefer Katanji Brown, that Brown Jackson to her.

00:42:45.860 And I don't mean to be out.

00:42:47.360 Well, after the last, I agree with you.

00:42:48.980 I think she's the dim as bulb on the night.

00:42:50.960 She really I mean, I'm sorry, but she is here.

00:42:53.440 She writes as follows.

00:42:54.340 Today's decision to grant former presidents criminal immunity reshapes the institution of the presidency.

00:43:02.260 It makes a mockery of the principle foundational to our Constitution and system of government that no man is above the law, relying on little more than its own misguided wisdom about the need for, quote, bold and unhesitating action, end quote, by the president.

00:43:15.940 The court gives former President Trump all the immunity he asked for and more because our Constitution does not shield a former president from answering for criminal and treasonous acts.

00:43:28.700 I dissent joined by the other two libs.

00:43:32.500 OK, treason now treason.

00:43:34.260 You know what the punishment for treason is?

00:43:35.760 Punishable by death.

00:43:37.680 Yes, that's how Sotomayor sees Donald Trump and the January 6th behavior.

00:43:43.040 This is oh, well, yeah, I have a couple of thoughts.

00:43:48.260 Let me just on the Sotomayor thing.

00:43:49.720 We are one or two seats away on the Supreme Court from being a completely different.

00:43:54.440 I mean, completely damaged and banana republic.

00:43:56.680 Imagine if that was the majority opinion.

00:43:58.340 They view Donald Trump as a traitor to the country and they did not get the decision they want.

00:44:05.080 They're about to get extraordinarily desperate here.

00:44:08.060 I will repeat that.

00:44:09.320 Sotomayor did not say, you know, I respectfully disagree with my colleagues.

00:44:13.460 Treasonous acts.

00:44:14.960 What acts exactly, Sotomayor, just the mayor, is treasonous with Donald Trump when he said, I want you to peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol?

00:44:22.700 What?

00:44:23.120 He has not been convicted of anything even close to indicted for anything close to treason, let alone convicted of anything close to treason.

00:44:30.400 Isn't that legal malpractice, Megan, that you are a U.S. Supreme Court, one of the nine?

00:44:36.980 You're a judge on the Supreme Court, a justice, and you use treasonous?

00:44:41.320 Don't you believe in the presumption of innocence or are you just kind of applying that label haphazardly because you think it was treasonous?

00:44:48.680 And treason has not been charged.

00:44:50.000 Hasn't been charged, let alone convicted.

00:44:53.340 She shouldn't be talking like that as a justice.

00:44:55.860 I mean, that is reckless and it is irresponsible.

00:44:59.200 And then it creates a downstream effect.

00:45:01.120 Of course, and by the way, Donald Trump is not allowed to say the jury are Democrats in the New York state trial against him.

00:45:09.160 But the Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor can accuse him of treason in a written opinion.

00:45:15.820 No problem.

00:45:16.480 That's fine.

00:45:18.020 But what do you do to traitors?

00:45:20.360 Well, you kill traitors.

00:45:21.800 And she should understand.

00:45:23.280 I mean, they always play this game with us.

00:45:26.340 And so it's nice to play this game with them.

00:45:28.080 Don't they understand the implications of their words?

00:45:30.100 When she calls him a traitor, she's at the top of, you know, Democrat left-wing intelligentsia.

00:45:35.880 So now all these legal bloggers will say, ooh, Sotomayor calls him a traitor.

00:45:40.620 Traitor, traitor, traitor.

00:45:42.220 Will this increase or decrease the amount of death threats towards Donald Trump?

00:45:45.540 Will this increase or decrease the political temperature in this country?

00:45:48.940 And I am not joking when I say that.

00:45:51.740 You now, to my knowledge, no Supreme Court justice in the history of this country,

00:45:56.460 since probably Reconstruction and the Civil War, has called a person running for president,

00:46:01.220 let alone a former president, a traitor.

00:46:03.560 What the implications of that are is profound and remarkable and very scary and unsettling.

00:46:09.980 If your goal is to unite the country and heal our divides, and we're not a red state or a blue state,

00:46:15.980 but the United States of America, as Obama said in the 2004 convention speech, you don't talk like that.

00:46:20.980 If your goal is to get us closer to a Bolshevik versus Menshevik civil war or some sort of revolution chapter in this country,

00:46:31.620 you call the opposition traitors.

00:46:34.060 Nothing good happens after that.

00:46:35.560 Here's, I'm sorry to do this to you, but Keith Olbermann on X.

00:46:41.340 Oh boy.

00:46:41.900 I mean, it's always good to see, you know, just as you can see, like how far the far left is gone.

00:46:45.080 No, he's an unwell person.

00:46:47.200 I mean, he really is.

00:46:48.760 He's a, yes.

00:46:50.400 You know, he speaks for a fair amount of, like, really far gone lefties.

00:46:55.020 Neurotic people, yeah.

00:46:56.320 Well, thanks, Supreme Court.

00:46:57.760 Now King Biden can officially declare Trump a terrorist and officially imprison him, officially, without trial and without consequences.

00:47:06.720 Can also officially arrest selected Supreme Court justices.

00:47:11.020 OK, sure, sure, Jan.

00:47:13.720 That's how it's going to go.

00:47:14.000 No, that's what I expected out of Keith Olbermann.

00:47:16.940 That's about right.

00:47:18.460 OK, so before we go to break, quickly, here, no, we actually have to take a break.

00:47:23.580 And I want to give this a minute because I do think there's some very, very promising news for Trump in that Mar-a-Lago case, based on what I just read in the Thomas concurrence.

00:47:34.440 He's part of the six of the six three.

00:47:36.420 By the way, Ketanji Brown Jackson was in the minority here.

00:47:39.340 She joined with Kagan and Sotomayor.

00:47:41.700 Excuse me.

00:47:42.460 But she was part of the majority in dumping that J-6 case.

00:47:45.960 Yes.

00:47:46.380 Instruction of an official.

00:47:46.980 On the 1512.

00:47:48.000 Yep, that's correct.

00:47:48.940 Ketanji Brown Jackson has been a little bit more of a swing justice than I think the left counted on.

00:47:53.360 And sadly for the right, so is Amy Coney Barrett, who is in the dissent.

00:47:57.240 Don't get me started on that.

00:47:58.540 I know.

00:47:58.940 Right on that case.

00:48:00.180 At least she ruled correctly here.

00:48:02.820 And in some ways, I'm glad Roberts wrote the majority here.

00:48:06.760 I'm glad he wrote the majority because it would be at least a little more accepted by reasonable left wingers.

00:48:14.220 There's no one with more gravitas on the court than the chief justice.

00:48:18.380 And frankly, with the United States writ large than this chief justice who has curried favor with them from the beginning of his stint.

00:48:25.740 Stand by.

00:48:26.580 Back with what Thomas wrote and so much more.

00:48:28.960 We've got to get to Mika Brzezinski on Biden, too.

00:48:31.560 Just stand by.

00:48:32.340 We'll be right back.

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00:49:35.900 Reaction turning in by, you know, droves right now in response to the Supreme Court's decision,

00:49:41.820 finding that a president does have the right to absolute immunity for his official acts.

00:49:48.000 Now, whether Trump's behavior around his election loss will qualify as official acts remains to be determined.

00:49:56.320 They're remanding it down to the district court, Judge Chutkin in this case,

00:49:59.280 to decide whether the acts that have been problematic that he's been accused of in this case are official or unofficial.

00:50:07.020 But as a rule, they're giving presidents absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for their official acts while in office.

00:50:14.540 Turning Point USA's Charlie Kirk, author of Right Wing Revolution, remains with me.

00:50:19.300 Charlie, I want to get to what Justice Thomas writes in a concurring opinion.

00:50:22.920 It's a six to three case, the three libs in the dissent, writes as follows.

00:50:28.560 He's questioning the validity of Jack Smith's appointment as special counsel,

00:50:35.360 which he is in both of the federal cases against Trump, writing, quote,

00:50:39.660 if this unprecedented prosecution is to proceed, it must be conducted by someone authorized to do so by the American people.

00:50:49.020 This is the argument Trump is raising, in particular in the Mar-a-Lago case that's being argued right now down there

00:50:56.700 about whether he as a special counsel has any right to go after Donald Trump

00:51:03.700 or whether they needed to use somebody who was in the government and already confirmed like a U.S. attorney

00:51:09.740 or somebody who's been already previously empowered by the executive branch.

00:51:14.120 It's a it's a technical argument, but Andy McCarthy had a piece out last week saying he likes it and he thinks it may win the day.

00:51:22.300 And if that happened, he's telegraphing already in that lane.

00:51:25.680 I like it, too.

00:51:26.620 How many of the of the conservatives does he speak for?

00:51:29.860 And is that a backdoor to Trump's potential conviction on the one piece of all the lawfare against him that is concerned me

00:51:40.000 and many other legal experts from the beginning, which is yes, big time, the obstruction piece of the Mar-a-Lago case,

00:51:45.660 his refusal to turn over the documents once subpoenaed, whether you're on his side or not.

00:51:50.660 That's a problematic fact for Donald Trump.

00:51:54.080 But if Jack Smith doesn't have the legal authority to bring the case against him, it's irrelevant whether he crossed the law or the line or not.

00:52:01.740 My God, I mean, like the good news just keeps coming for him, Charlie.

00:52:04.920 I know. Well, and this is this is Clarence Thomas not so subtly saying we see you, Jack Smith, and all that work you're putting in.

00:52:13.060 I might be able to get to five because this is more of the Thomas court than the Roberts court, actually.

00:52:19.220 And so you better watch yourself. That's what this is all about.

00:52:22.200 And again, it is more of the Thomas court. Thomas works that room.

00:52:26.160 He's super well liked, Megan. He's like the night. I don't know if you ever met him.

00:52:29.660 He is the sweetest, best person ever. I mean, he is just a uniquely American story.

00:52:35.500 And everybody, including even RBG and everyone, they said he's just the he got along with all the libs for years.

00:52:41.200 And he's just he's personable and he's human. He's just terrific.

00:52:44.760 So therefore, he's really won a lot of favor over with the court.

00:52:49.080 And especially, I bet, on these high stakes decisions, he's going to try to work the ropes a little bit, you know, with, hey, ACB, let's talk about this.

00:52:57.700 Was this illegally constituted? So if you start with from a strict constitutional standpoint, probably Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch would go along.

00:53:06.520 Roberts would probably be no go.

00:53:08.420 The question is, can you win Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett on this idea that Jack Smith and the the way that this was put together was not constitutional, that it wasn't through a U.S. attorney.

00:53:21.980 It wasn't through a deputy. It wasn't through Lisa Monaco.

00:53:24.680 It wasn't through Merrick Garland.

00:53:26.740 I'm not a legal scholar by any means.

00:53:28.480 I could just look at the politics of this and the media and the communication side of it, which is Clarence Thomas saying this and broadcasting this.

00:53:35.460 I mean, I would go into cardiac arrest if I was Jack Smith at this point.

00:53:41.260 Not only did you lose on 1512, not only did you lose on presidential immunity, but all of this work.

00:53:47.020 Let's say you get to a conviction. It might get vacated by the Supreme Court.

00:53:50.440 Just a little bit more color on Amy Coney Barrett.

00:53:56.180 According to SCOTUSblog, and again, I have the opinion here, my team has brought it into me.

00:53:59.820 It is about an inch and a half thick, so I have not yet read it.

00:54:03.260 Oh, boy.

00:54:03.560 But I will.

00:54:04.580 But SCOTUSblog reporting, and they're still reading it, too.

00:54:06.880 I mean, SCOTUSblog hasn't had time to digest the whole thing.

00:54:09.220 They're saying Amy Coney Barrett has a concurring opinion.

00:54:12.780 She's part of the six, and she concurs in the end result.

00:54:16.280 But here's her rationale.

00:54:17.980 She agrees with the majority on the core constitutional powers, immunity, but would take a different approach to other official acts.

00:54:24.840 She would look at whether the criminal statute under which the president is being charged applies to his conduct and whether that application to the particular facts.

00:54:33.900 I don't even understand this.

00:54:34.900 I'm going to have to go back and look at this.

00:54:35.920 This is too much.

00:54:36.380 This is the most ACB answer ever.

00:54:38.340 I know.

00:54:38.880 She's such a technocrat, and she uses her technocratic nature to get to the results she wants.

00:54:43.720 It's the most ace.

00:54:45.040 Exactly.

00:54:45.720 I'm not a fan.

00:54:47.520 I don't like where she's headed.

00:54:48.820 I'll be honest.

00:54:49.440 I don't like where she's headed.

00:54:50.980 She feels like a justice suitor to me right now, I have to say.

00:54:54.420 But how about Kataji Brown Jackson in the majority on Fisher?

00:54:58.600 I still don't understand that.

00:55:00.980 I don't know.

00:55:01.700 You know, it might have been if it was 5-4 on that on Fisher, I would have said, wow, the 6-3 might be a throwaway vote where it's just like, hey, I'm a free thinker.

00:55:12.880 You know, it's a show vote, as you call it in the U.S. Senate.

00:55:15.100 So I'm not there yet.

00:55:16.460 I'm content because she still can't tell us what a woman is.

00:55:18.580 Okay, good point.

00:55:21.620 The court also notes in a footnote that the district court, if necessary, should consider whether two of the charges brought by Jack Smith against Trump in Washington, that's the J-6 case, involving obstruction of the official proceeding, can go forward in light of the court's ruling last week in Fisher.

00:55:35.880 Yeah, obviously.

00:55:37.060 I can answer it for you right now.

00:55:38.560 It's not going forward.

00:55:39.760 That's not happening.

00:55:40.540 So this decision is huge.

00:55:44.720 Donald Trump is winning.

00:55:45.900 He really is doing all the winning that the left is going to get sick of.

00:55:49.740 And but but to pick back up on your point about treason, that's already the salon headline.

00:55:54.600 And the left is going to run with us.

00:55:56.280 Salon headline.

00:55:56.720 Of course.

00:55:58.400 Quote, quote, treasonous acts.

00:56:01.760 Liberal justices say SCOTUS Trump immunity ruling, quote, a mockery of the Constitution.

00:56:08.380 So treasonous act.

00:56:09.680 That's going to be in a campaign ad in less than 24 hours.

00:56:12.560 No, without a doubt.

00:56:14.560 Yes.

00:56:14.940 And again, what comes after that will, God forbid, be more threats, more intimidation, more violence.

00:56:21.420 But she knows what she's doing.

00:56:22.620 And by the way, how is Sotomayor's now official legal dissent as a justice on the Supreme Court any different than the unhinged musings of Joy Reid and MSNBC?

00:56:32.880 Is there any daylight between the two?

00:56:35.620 And the answer is no, I mean, it would be a fun game.

00:56:39.160 Yeah, it would be a fun game of like, let me read to you Sotomayor and read to you Joy Reid's open.

00:56:44.040 Which one is what you can't tell?

00:56:45.820 There is no difference.

00:56:47.500 And and like I love how she's like with our democracy in peril.

00:56:51.760 Again, I hate to be a stickler for words here.

00:56:54.280 We are a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

00:56:57.240 And this whole imparting of that we are a democracy, I actually believe, is an attempt to refound the country without the permission of the people into something that we aren't, which is much closer to an oligarchy, not a representative government.

00:57:08.960 But yes, that is going to be the media headline.

00:57:11.220 Donald Trump gets called the traitor by the dissent.

00:57:13.520 We don't have no, nor should we did.

00:57:15.880 If we did, boys would be banned nationwide from participating in girls sports.

00:57:21.440 And Joe Biden wouldn't be allowed to run for president because the latest poll shows 72 percent of the electorate thinks he is too old and infirm for the job.

00:57:28.740 So she should be glad even for her side that we don't have majority rule in this country.

00:57:33.360 Let me switch back.

00:57:34.340 Like you mentioned, RGB, Ruth Bader, RBG, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the term that kept coming to my mind over the weekend was Ruth Bader Biden or Joe Bader Ginsburg, because the comparisons to that situation have been plentiful.

00:57:49.560 Oh, they're eerie. Yes.

00:57:50.840 On the left, the sane left is seeing that if Joe Biden refuses to get out of this race and they acknowledge everyone acknowledges if he doesn't willingly go, he can't be dumped.

00:58:03.100 That's an impossibility, given that ninety nine percent of the delegates are already pledged to him that if he refuses to go, he will be the Ruth Bader Ginsburg of presidents because he will more than likely cost the Democrats this race at a time when they could have won it.

00:58:20.000 And it's already late in the game like they should have switched him out early on and had a primary, but he refused.

00:58:26.040 But now in the wake of this disaster in which he did not deliver in that debate, he owes it to his party and they argue the country to step aside.

00:58:32.640 And I agree as much as I would love to see a clear path for Trump to go in, the Republicans to win.

00:58:39.380 Separate and apart from that, I just don't want our country to have to deal with an infirm president.

00:58:42.940 It's not right for the United States.

00:58:44.800 There's a reason we have the 25th Amendment.

00:58:46.260 It's just so that's a shame.

00:58:48.680 Tell me whether the RBG argument is likely to prevail, even on those Democrats who are digging in on holding on to this guy saying just a bad night.

00:58:57.820 Well, I don't know.

00:59:01.180 And the reason is that the Democrat mafia is run by a bunch of octogenarians, and I think they're afraid if they pull Joe Biden, they're going to be pulled next.

00:59:08.740 I mean, if they pull Joe Biden, does that mean Schumer and Pelosi have to go?

00:59:11.320 I mean, Pelosi's older than Biden.

00:59:12.780 She's 84.

00:59:13.860 I mean, she's actually sharper than Biden and a lot tougher.

00:59:16.380 But there is this very interesting almost deal with the devil that has been done with this group of Democrat power brokers, Bill Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, previously Harry Reid, Joe Biden.

00:59:31.620 And they all kind of entered into politics at the same time, the late 70s and early 80s, when they all kind of began to get to D.C.

00:59:39.260 And they look at themselves almost as like that's when we all we were like the class of 78 and they've all looked out for each other for the last 40 or 50 years during this managed decline of the United States of America.

00:59:51.660 And, Megan, their entire identity and their purpose is in holding on to political power, like holding on to it to the bitter end, that we're not going to pass it down to the next generation, that we're not going to kind of just release control.

01:00:05.540 We're not going. No, we are going to until the moment that we are in a casket, we are going to have political power.

01:00:13.120 Amazing. I think this is actually one of the great weaknesses in both.

01:00:16.080 The Republicans aren't immune to this either, by the way, just to be clear.

01:00:18.600 But the Democrats are actually far worse right now, far worse.

01:00:21.360 The Republican Party has younger voices that are ascendant.

01:00:24.620 Say what you will about Speaker Johnson.

01:00:26.000 He's definitely a different generation than Nancy Pelosi.

01:00:28.860 I don't know if the RBG argument will actually resonate because the great Democrat fault line is that the base of the Democrat Party is hyper radical and very young, but their rulers are incredibly transactional and very, very old.

01:00:44.800 And the old leaders, they're not all of a sudden going to hand off the baton.

01:00:48.360 They will hold on to power until they are dead.

01:00:51.640 And you look at Joe Biden, Joe Biden says they're a montage of just a few of them.

01:00:56.680 Some of the names you mentioned are in here.

01:00:58.140 Watch. This is their reaction over the weekend.

01:01:01.260 Yes, it was a bad performance.

01:01:03.940 I've been a part of debate preparation before.

01:01:07.540 And I know what when I see what I call preparation overload.

01:01:12.400 And that's exactly what was going on.

01:01:14.740 He should stay in this race.

01:01:16.440 We see Joe Biden up close.

01:01:18.660 We know how attuned he is to the issues, how informed he is.

01:01:23.340 And I debate with him about legislation and not debate, but discuss it with him.

01:01:28.380 He's right there.

01:01:30.080 So in any case, it was a bad night.

01:01:32.900 Let's not sugarcoat that.

01:01:37.480 It was a bad night.

01:01:38.700 It was a great presidency.

01:01:40.660 You all did not have any kind of conversations about, oh, should Joe Biden drop out of this race?

01:01:44.700 But let's have another debate where actually the moderators will push back on Donald Trump's lies.

01:01:50.280 He intimidated your network, unfortunately.

01:01:53.140 It's him or Trump.

01:01:54.080 It's literally you go to a dinner and your choices are steak or a pile of poo.

01:02:01.420 This is not a difficult choice.

01:02:04.840 Joy Reid, of course.

01:02:06.000 I love the line that it was so deep.

01:02:07.700 The moderators needed to fact check Donald Trump and his lies, and it was their failure to do so that made Joe Biden look bad.

01:02:17.080 And I just it's so amazing.

01:02:21.800 The media carries their water endlessly.

01:02:24.200 I mean, as if Donald Trump gets fair treatment from the media, this fair, let alone favorable treatment from the media.

01:02:30.260 No, but if there's any sort of a moderator and Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, just like, here is the question.

01:02:36.060 What is your thought?

01:02:36.900 They could not have been more boring.

01:02:38.240 Right.

01:02:38.840 It was they could not have been.

01:02:41.100 And I mean, and to Dana Bash's credit and to push back against the Levi Jeans guy is the Goldman.

01:02:47.920 She followed up two or three.

01:02:49.240 Yeah, I can't remember his name.

01:02:50.340 Levi, Levi, Levi Jeans error.

01:02:52.320 And so, like, two or three times, yeah, she follows up.

01:02:56.880 Will you accept the results?

01:02:57.940 OK, fine.

01:02:58.420 Like, that's all right.

01:02:59.660 And here's what's important.

01:03:01.500 To Jake Tapper and to Dana Bash's credit, which I never thought I would say, it goes really poorly when debate moderators are in the fact checking business.

01:03:11.020 They tried that.

01:03:12.100 Remember that?

01:03:13.380 It's very, very, very hard to do because are you equally applying it?

01:03:17.640 By whose standard are you doing it?

01:03:19.340 And so it is much better to allow the American people to decide and to then just put out the framework.

01:03:25.980 Are you answering the question or are you not answering the question?

01:03:29.520 Let the other guy fact check him.

01:03:31.340 Let the moderators to defend is only to defend his or her question.

01:03:36.720 That's it.

01:03:37.720 Not to then fact check the actual substance of the answer.

01:03:41.760 And Dana Bash and Jake Tapper did a great job the other night.

01:03:44.620 They did not get involved in any of that nonsense.

01:03:47.180 I totally agree.

01:03:47.800 Had they done so, it would have looked like this.

01:03:50.900 Mr. Biden, you just stated that no troops died on your watch as commander in chief.

01:03:55.060 And Jake Tapper, he's very pro-American troop.

01:03:57.840 He would have had this at the ready.

01:03:59.460 13 troops died at your disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.

01:04:02.720 Another three in Jordan could have done that.

01:04:04.440 Mr. Biden, you just stated that Mr.

01:04:06.640 Trump stated good people on both sides.

01:04:09.760 Just this week, that was debunked by Snopes.

01:04:11.800 It's been debunked by many other nonpartisan fact checkers in the past that like, do we really want that debate where it's all what Jake Tapper and Dana Bash or Megyn Kelly or whomever think about the issues?

01:04:24.400 Bullshit.

01:04:24.700 That's not what happened here.

01:04:26.760 It was Joe Biden's obligation.

01:04:30.060 He couldn't do it.

01:04:31.700 And I want to just also say, and I think it's being lost in the coverage.

01:04:36.980 President Trump deserves a lot of credit for being just a little bit of the sideshow of this debate and having amazing self-control.

01:04:47.900 I don't think he has gotten the, you know, people say, oh, what do you do?

01:04:50.700 I complimented his self-control.

01:04:52.320 Think about this.

01:04:53.160 This is a guy that's trying to throw you in prison that you believe is not the rightful president from last time.

01:04:57.840 You just want to go over there and smack his head.

01:05:00.080 I mean, they've talked about fighting each other, by the way.

01:05:02.120 And Donald Trump just very gently was like, I don't know what he said.

01:05:06.280 And he doesn't even know what he said.

01:05:07.560 It was just that little gentle touch.

01:05:09.720 He allowed the opportunity for Biden to self-destruct.

01:05:14.860 And again, he, to an amazing discipline, Megan, he did not interrupt him.

01:05:20.640 I think there was only one opportunity, maybe.

01:05:22.780 In fact, it was Joe Biden that was on the attack and Donald Trump just kind of shrugged his shoulders.

01:05:28.060 And that Zen Donald Trump, it was good to see.

01:05:32.580 No, it's true.

01:05:33.140 But now that even, you know, the Democrats came out the next day almost uniformly and said, my God, he's got to go.

01:05:38.800 It's a disaster.

01:05:39.540 We all saw what you saw.

01:05:40.620 And then once Joe Biden signaled, I'm not going anywhere.

01:05:43.960 And Jill Biden signaled the same.

01:05:46.240 They started to get a little bit more defensive of him.

01:05:49.700 Lawrence O'Donnell was cheating out.

01:05:50.760 Well, that's where they are now.

01:05:51.720 Panic zone tonight on my show.

01:05:54.680 You heard Joy Reid.

01:05:57.360 At least he's not a pile of shit.

01:05:59.240 So vote for him.

01:06:00.220 Then you had Joe Biden come out with this message that they're finding very stirring and reassuring

01:06:06.800 because his vigor was back at a debate.

01:06:10.120 I'm at a rally in North Carolina.

01:06:11.940 Sot 10.

01:06:12.360 I know I'm not a young man.

01:06:15.840 State the obvious.

01:06:17.760 Well, I know.

01:06:22.500 I don't walk as easy as I used to.

01:06:24.660 I don't speak as smoothly as I used to.

01:06:26.420 I don't debate as well as I used to.

01:06:30.080 But I know what I do know.

01:06:32.760 I know how to tell the truth.

01:06:38.240 I know like millions of Americans know.

01:06:40.900 When you get knocked down, you get back up.

01:06:43.440 It was a good reading.

01:06:47.240 He's a good reader.

01:06:48.240 He can read off the teleprompter.

01:06:49.860 He proved that at the State of the Union and he proved that yesterday.

01:06:52.400 That's not being president.

01:06:53.660 My children can read off the teleprompter well, too, because they come in the studio and they

01:06:56.760 practice sometimes.

01:06:57.560 They're not they can't be president.

01:06:59.460 Not yet.

01:06:59.980 Yes.

01:07:02.060 And here's here's here's the kicker is that Joe Biden does not have the current capabilities

01:07:09.420 to govern this country.

01:07:11.240 And so, OK, he's able up to read a couple words in in front of a crowd there.

01:07:16.000 If you are not able to dialogue or discourse against Donald Trump, how are you able to negotiate

01:07:22.240 peace with Vladimir Putin?

01:07:24.180 How are you able to deal with Xi Jinping?

01:07:25.980 And the answer is you're not.

01:07:26.820 And so what everyone realized is that there is an administrative state, a puppeteering

01:07:32.280 class that is currently running the United States government and the the the assault

01:07:38.200 on or at least the criticism of Joe Biden's mental faculties is opening a lot of people's

01:07:43.940 eyes to actually how our government is currently formed and structured.

01:07:47.720 And it's not the way you think Joe Biden is not in charge.

01:07:50.720 There are a group of experts that are currently calling the shots in this country.

01:07:54.800 Listen to this, Charlie, speaking of the advisor class, because this is the new narrative that's

01:08:01.460 coming out.

01:08:01.980 It was it was his advisor's fault.

01:08:03.820 It wasn't his fault.

01:08:05.240 He's actually perfectly competent.

01:08:07.640 He was just overprepared.

01:08:08.800 You heard that in the James Clyburn shot that we played as part of that montage.

01:08:11.940 And we've heard it from multiple other Biden defenders now.

01:08:14.700 But this is from a follow up in The New York Times following up on what happened in the

01:08:20.960 Sunday meeting that Hunter and Jill and his family are urging Joe Biden to, quote, keep

01:08:26.220 fighting.

01:08:27.740 I read as follows.

01:08:28.840 The anger among Democrats was made evident on Sunday when John Morgan, a top Democratic

01:08:33.720 donor who is close to Mr.

01:08:34.920 Biden's brother, Frank, publicly blamed the advisers who managed the president's debate

01:08:40.820 preps, citing by name Ron Klain, that's his former chief of staff, Anita Dunn, his top

01:08:45.240 communications advisor, and Bob Bauer.

01:08:47.420 That's her husband and also a top lawyer.

01:08:49.960 Biden has for too long been fooled.

01:08:53.640 Biden has for too long been fooled by the value of Anita Dunn and her husband, Mr. Morgan

01:08:58.760 wrote on social media.

01:09:00.120 They need to go today.

01:09:02.000 The grifting is gross.

01:09:03.480 It was political malpractice.

01:09:05.060 He elaborated in a subsequent interview, quote, it would be like if you took a prize fighter

01:09:08.920 who was going to have a title fight and put him in a sauna for 15 hours and then said,

01:09:15.460 go fight.

01:09:17.480 He said, I believe that the debate is solely on Ron Klain, Bob Bauer and Anita Dunn, a

01:09:24.720 member of Mr. Biden's family, were likewise said to be focused on the president's staff,

01:09:28.100 including Ms. Dunn, a White House senior advisor, and her husband, Bauer, the president's

01:09:31.740 personal attorney who played Trump during the debate rehearsals.

01:09:34.180 They were asking why Mr. Klain, the former White House chief of staff who ran the prep

01:09:38.460 would, in their view, be allowed to, quote, overload him with statistics.

01:09:42.780 And they were angry that Mr. Biden, who arrived for the debate in Atlanta with a summer tan,

01:09:48.860 was made up to look pale and pallid.

01:09:52.620 Hello, agape.

01:09:54.480 It was not just his color.

01:09:56.360 I refer you back to our earlier discussion.

01:09:59.640 So it's the advisors, Charlie.

01:10:01.800 They need to go.

01:10:03.100 Yeah, again, as I mentioned, the advisors, they're not going to get fired for getting

01:10:09.440 us into a proxy war with Russia or having hyperinflation or deteriorating the currency

01:10:14.300 or the Title IX disgrace or destroying the country when it comes to crime.

01:10:19.900 But hey, the knives are out because you guys did not get the hair and makeup right.

01:10:26.540 15 hours in the sauna.

01:10:28.000 That is open season.

01:10:29.400 That's right.

01:10:30.320 So it's actually very interesting.

01:10:32.020 You're seeing them turn on each other.

01:10:33.660 The narrative that's come out over the press is now top advisors are coming out and saying

01:10:37.560 it wasn't us.

01:10:39.360 It was not his aides.

01:10:41.540 It was Jill Biden and her staff who kept us all away from Joe Biden.

01:10:47.360 And therefore, we weren't able to really see how bad he is until.

01:10:53.360 And that's what's so important.

01:10:54.320 This is this is this is with seven to 10 days of isolated prep of no other meetings.

01:10:59.980 This is with him.

01:11:01.400 Yeah, you didn't see micromanaged.

01:11:03.820 Yes.

01:11:04.280 And they have their sleep schedule.

01:11:06.120 His this was we're going to get you ready, Joe, at Camp David.

01:11:09.280 And this is how he performs.

01:11:10.340 And honestly, like the note, the notion that they that the top advisors are to be excused

01:11:16.540 because they have they all have blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned.

01:11:18.960 You're all responsible.

01:11:19.820 You all saw you all enabled.

01:11:21.900 No one is excused, whether you're Jill Biden or the advisors.

01:11:24.920 But the advisors can't dodge responsibility by saying we were kept at arm's length by Jill.

01:11:29.020 Well, they you and I saw it years ago, as I said, at the beginning of the show, I know.

01:11:33.860 So three, it's two in twenty twenty two was all about the failings they knew, just like

01:11:39.560 all of us knew.

01:11:41.680 Yes, that's right.

01:11:43.040 This is this has been the greatest open secret in American politics and shame on the media

01:11:47.540 for not doing their job.

01:11:48.600 It's pure and total media malpractice.

01:11:51.240 So here's that.

01:11:52.400 This all brings me.

01:11:53.360 Oh, by the way, Jon Favreau, who is an Obama speechwriter, he just tweeted out.

01:11:58.180 Um, Joe Biden's staff is not the problem.

01:12:03.020 His campaign team and his White House staff are excellent.

01:12:06.260 They've all been pulling their weight and then some.

01:12:08.860 The only person who can fix this mess is the guy running for president.

01:12:12.760 I'm telling you, all the Obama people have turned on Biden.

01:12:15.880 The only one who has every single Obama himself is Obama for now, for now, until, you know,

01:12:22.360 until the dogs are released.

01:12:23.600 So we will see which shows you that that just shows you.

01:12:28.080 That shows you that, in my view, that Obama feels as they do.

01:12:31.580 And they wouldn't be doing this if they thought they were crossing their ex-boss.

01:12:35.080 They're doing it because they're, I think, surrogates for him in a way.

01:12:38.740 They can say what he can't.

01:12:40.260 He needs to stand behind Joe until it's time for him to do the ultimate power move and go

01:12:44.620 with the other cabal and tell Joe he's got to go.

01:12:46.620 Quick break.

01:12:47.220 More with Charlie after this.

01:12:48.080 That's exactly right.

01:12:48.560 Take up the topic of Mika Brzezinski and how very wrong she was this morning.

01:12:53.460 Don't go away.

01:12:56.060 More than three days after that debate, it is still hard to comprehend what we saw from

01:13:02.080 the president.

01:13:02.920 The weak, raspy voice, the inability to complete basic thoughts.

01:13:07.980 Most importantly, the failure to call out Donald Trump on his endless lies.

01:13:13.880 Where was that?

01:13:16.360 And yet, the very next day in North Carolina, there was Joe Biden back to form, finding

01:13:22.720 his voice, his winning smile, the vintage sparkle back in his eyes.

01:13:28.640 Winning smile.

01:13:30.440 Vintage.

01:13:31.900 Vintage sparkle.

01:13:32.880 Vintage sparkle.

01:13:34.320 It's back.

01:13:34.920 That was MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski this morning.

01:13:38.360 Charlie Kirk is back with me.

01:13:39.820 So it was actually a breathtaking 15 minute display by Mika Brzezinski, who is working for

01:13:45.400 the Biden campaign now, very clearly.

01:13:47.820 Joe Scarborough noticeably absent from his chair this morning after saying on Friday

01:13:52.200 vacation by himself is what they say without his wife.

01:13:55.540 Right.

01:13:56.200 That his that Biden wants to go, that they need to sub him out.

01:13:59.120 So now she comes on solo, acknowledges that her family and she have long been close to

01:14:04.080 the Bidens, which is, you know, obviously, I guess why she can't be objective that in

01:14:08.000 her hard left nature and tries to chalk it up to the vintage smile is back.

01:14:12.300 A vintage sparkle and smile are back.

01:14:14.600 So all is well.

01:14:15.720 But I want to go through how like the spin that she brought us through, because it was

01:14:19.960 actually stunning to me.

01:14:21.660 First, the excuses.

01:14:23.720 We heard some of the staff.

01:14:25.300 Right.

01:14:25.440 But here's she has more on on why he didn't do well.

01:14:29.180 Take a listen to six.

01:14:31.400 So what was different?

01:14:33.040 A little more sleep.

01:14:34.620 Perhaps it was an event during the day, rather at night on debate night, 90 minutes starting

01:14:41.340 at 9 p.m.

01:14:42.240 Joe Biden was fresh off back to back trips to Europe.

01:14:45.380 The debate was also two weeks after his son, Hunter, was convicted on three felony gun

01:14:52.320 charges and faces.

01:14:53.940 Oh, this is great.

01:14:55.440 President Biden painfully told America he would not pardon his son.

01:15:02.400 I really question his schedule.

01:15:04.740 It makes me angry that he was moving across the world on four different time zones.

01:15:09.820 It seems to me this is a lack of discipline.

01:15:15.180 Wait, wait, wait.

01:15:16.020 Hold on.

01:15:16.420 I thought he spent a whole week at Camp David before the debate.

01:15:20.720 A whole week at Camp David.

01:15:21.660 Am I correct?

01:15:22.340 Leading up to that four time zones, no pardon, conviction and travel.

01:15:29.300 And it's just serious questions about his schedule.

01:15:32.000 I don't know about you, Megan.

01:15:33.780 When I fly to London, I can't complete sentences.

01:15:36.500 You know, when I when I can't function for another week, what the whole week I say we're going

01:15:43.560 to beat Medicare and I stare aimlessly.

01:15:45.960 And what's so what's so amazing, and this is what's important, is that they're doubling and tripling down on this is only going to further turn people against the Democrat Party.

01:15:56.800 They know what they saw, and because of that, Megan, now all of a sudden there have been increased Google searches of past Biden gaps and past Biden type mistakes.

01:16:06.680 A lot of people didn't know this or see this.

01:16:08.400 They're like, wow, that's terrible.

01:16:09.720 I know some moderates in my life that were texting me.

01:16:12.320 It's like, wow, Biden's really terrible.

01:16:13.640 And I said, have you guys not been watching?

01:16:15.760 And the answer is they don't.

01:16:16.400 Now, again, we are politics obsessed.

01:16:20.220 This this is our space, right?

01:16:21.840 Every day we're consuming it.

01:16:23.340 We're reading it 12, 14, 16 hours a day.

01:16:25.960 For some people, they will do one to two hours of politics a month.

01:16:30.160 And that's all they can handle.

01:16:31.560 And so they might say, yeah, OK, Biden's not up to it.

01:16:34.480 Even most of the most avid political consumers don't they don't spend that much time watching or listening.

01:16:40.020 I remember at Fox News, not like I saw some stat that showed, you know, we were getting, well,

01:16:43.920 let's say, three million a night and six hundred thousand in the key demo, 25 to 54.

01:16:48.300 And I never understood how with those numbers, these are good numbers, at least certainly

01:16:52.080 compared to what they're doing today.

01:16:53.560 Those are great numbers.

01:16:55.640 I remember, like, how do people know who I am if that's if those are the numbers?

01:17:00.680 And Roger Ailes used to explain that it's because it's not the same three million every night.

01:17:05.400 And the average viewer spends about 15 minutes taking in like your average Fox News show a week.

01:17:11.160 They're not the average viewers actually not watching it five times.

01:17:13.920 So and those are people who are politically motivated to take in news.

01:17:17.500 You're so you're absolutely right.

01:17:18.940 I wanted to make one other point in that first soundbite we bumped in with.

01:17:22.140 She she said what a lot of Democrats have said, which is the problem with Biden right now is that his infirmity makes it impossible for him to stick it to Donald Trump.

01:17:32.260 Like he failed in the debate because he wasn't able to raise all the points.

01:17:36.700 I mean, it is true.

01:17:37.780 He didn't raise points and he didn't try to do fact checking.

01:17:40.420 But that is not the problem.

01:17:42.860 The problem is that he is not competent to be president.

01:17:47.600 It's not that his ability to argue has been undermined.

01:17:51.940 Well, that that's exactly right.

01:17:54.020 Well, and you saw this in the Reid Hoffman memo.

01:17:56.520 So the Reid Hoffman, he's a LinkedIn donor, LinkedIn founder, big Democrat donor.

01:18:00.540 And he wrote there, he said, the most important thing of why we must stand by Joe Biden is being a good debater is not the same thing as being a good president.

01:18:07.740 As a wait a second.

01:18:08.620 Hold on.

01:18:09.160 He does not have he's not running the country.

01:18:11.280 He's not making decisions.

01:18:12.600 He's obviously being manipulated on a daily basis and there are people behind him and we have a right to know who those people are.

01:18:20.620 We didn't vote for an administrative state.

01:18:22.900 The American people, a lot of people voted for Joe Biden.

01:18:25.740 OK, did he get 81 million votes?

01:18:27.140 I don't really think so.

01:18:27.700 But whatever.

01:18:28.020 That point is that that he was the one on the ballot and yet now we're supposed to just kind of retreat from that and act as if this is OK.

01:18:35.940 No, this is a nation in shame right now because we look to our president and he it's very similar to, by the way, for the 10 years that led up to Vladimir Putin, which was when Boris Yeltsin ran the post Soviet bloc in Russia.

01:18:50.560 And he was like publicly drunk all the time and Russians were just so ashamed to see it.

01:18:56.380 And by the way, Russian state media would cover it up like, oh, no, no, he's not drunk and he's perfectly fine.

01:19:01.900 It's OK.

01:19:03.020 I mean, it sounds a little bit, you know, cliche, but it is the emperor that has no clothes and people are starting to realize this.

01:19:08.660 And I hate to get weekend that he's only working six hours a day.

01:19:11.860 He can only work from 10 to four.

01:19:13.760 And after that, he's done.

01:19:15.240 Well, that's that's sundowner syndrome.

01:19:16.840 That's yeah.

01:19:18.660 Oh, if even that.

01:19:20.360 And again, so this is opening people's eyes to how the government actually works, which is the presidency under Joe Biden has become basically a photo op.

01:19:29.480 You know, wake up, go take a picture with the people who won the spelling bee.

01:19:33.400 Go have some ice cream, you know, maybe do a national security briefing so you're not totally out of the loop and go take a nap and you're done.

01:19:40.180 Where the real power is, is it Jake Sullivan?

01:19:43.480 Is he running the government?

01:19:45.040 We don't know.

01:19:45.480 Is I don't think Kamala Harris is running the government.

01:19:47.880 Merrick Garland.

01:19:49.380 And this is one of the reasons why we're seeing, you know, Steve Bannon go to federal prison and we're seeing Peter Navarro go to federal prison.

01:19:55.280 Dad is not home.

01:19:56.420 So you have all these really bad people that basically are ungoverned within the government that have these like lifelong ambitions and they're going after them, whether it be in this representative of California.

01:20:09.500 He's an official Biden surrogate.

01:20:11.020 He said to the New York Times this weekend, quote, we have a great team of people that will help govern.

01:20:17.120 That's it.

01:20:17.460 No, that's what I'm going to continue making the case for.

01:20:19.900 This is a different.

01:20:21.020 This is this is so this is profound, though.

01:20:23.760 I have right here the Constitution of the United States of America.

01:20:26.360 And it is very clear the form and the structure that we're supposed to live under.

01:20:30.660 And the form of the structure is that there is a president, not an administrative state that makes decisions.

01:20:36.860 Now, you have a presidency and people around you that counsel it.

01:20:40.500 But that final decision, that final thing is a sign of a human being.

01:20:44.160 I sign it.

01:20:45.240 I veto the bill.

01:20:46.180 I sign it and it becomes an executive order.

01:20:48.360 The form and the structure of government post Woodrow Wilson is governance by experts.

01:20:54.640 Think about how often, Megan, have we heard trust the experts, trust the experts.

01:20:58.580 COVID was a perfect example of this, where you had a shadow government that was basically calling the shots that usurped some of the authority of Donald Trump.

01:21:07.260 How often did you hear in the Donald Trump presidency?

01:21:09.740 We're not going to follow those executive orders.

01:21:11.420 We're going to take stuff off of his desk because we are the sovereign.

01:21:14.700 And now you are seeing this play out.

01:21:16.540 And that is why, as long as they can keep Joe Biden with a heartbeat, they think they can continue to run the government.

01:21:21.700 And I hope it is an eye-opening experience for people that this means that your elections are not actually voting for an individual or a person to run the country.

01:21:31.380 There is a shadow deep state, dare I call it a leviathan, that is actually the power center.

01:21:36.700 And when Donald Trump called it the deep state, that's exactly what it is.

01:21:40.960 The CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, the Department of Education, this middle band bureaucracy, that is actually where the power lies.

01:21:51.000 And Joe Biden is just a temporary figurehead being puppeteered.

01:21:54.700 Just as we're speaking, Charlie, this breaking from NBC News, Steve Bannon has arrived to report to prison at Danbury, Connecticut.

01:22:04.780 Supporters standing outside of the prison chanted his name upon arrival.

01:22:08.000 Well, this administration is imprisoning its enemies, propping up a man in the presidency who's not actually president, even the six hours he pretends to be, and asking us to give him another seven months in office and then another four years.

01:22:28.080 It is so outrageous, Megan.

01:22:30.660 I mean, I think this makes, by the way.

01:22:32.840 It's so irresponsible and unpatriotic.

01:22:34.580 Oh, it's so evil.

01:22:35.740 This is so anti-American.

01:22:37.880 This is repugnant.

01:22:38.940 By the way, your interview with Steve Bannon was awesome, and it was so great because I know that he has not always been kind to you, and I thought it was just so classy the way you did it that there are things that transcend, you know, public disputes.

01:22:52.540 I just want to give you credit for it.

01:22:53.580 I saw that.

01:22:54.240 I had such respect for you because, again, he has his own style.

01:22:58.900 However, there is a principle that is being violated here, right?

01:23:02.500 No, it's very important.

01:23:03.420 And, you know, Steve Bannon has his own style, and I was just doing a live stream with him last evening.

01:23:08.380 And if you are willing to sacrifice all of your principles and all of the American principles just to put Donald Trump in jail or Steve Bannon in jail, then you must be defeated.

01:23:20.640 I call it the Trump test, which is this, and this is the Trump test.

01:23:25.460 And by the way, I have what I call the Biden test, and almost every conservative I know passes this, is are you willing to have Donald Trump become president if that means you will not lie, steal, cheat, or do illegal things?

01:23:38.920 And if your answer is no, then I know what I'm dealing with.

01:23:43.820 And by the way, most Democrats, their answer is no, I will not let him be president, and I will do illegal, unconstitutional, and evil things.

01:23:53.480 Steve Bannon is going to federal prison.

01:23:55.700 Yes, that's right.

01:23:56.680 Steve Bannon is going to federal prison for a misdemeanor.

01:23:59.320 A misdemeanor that we have not seen this since the House committee.

01:24:05.760 Why isn't Eric Holder in jail?

01:24:06.840 Yeah, and Eric Holder is making millions of dollars working with law firms.

01:24:12.640 And so the crux and the essence of what we're seeing with the Steve Bannon thing, and we saw this happen with the debate a couple days ago.

01:24:20.720 You have an illegitimate regime, and I think this makes the Steve Bannon thing look even worse, that they cannot prop up five or six sentences together, and one of the top podcasters that is building an opposition movement, we're going to go put him in federal prison for 123 days in the midst of the presidential election.

01:24:45.240 The man who was the senior advisor to Donald Trump back in the 2016 race, and really got him on that populist nationalist direction.

01:24:53.260 In this audience, everyone listen to this, you might hate Steve Bannon and hate Donald Trump.

01:24:57.880 This is so evil what they are doing, we have never seen it in American history, ever.

01:25:04.400 They are able to justify their behavior because they think that Bannon and Trump are such a threat to the country.

01:25:11.560 We used to settle this stuff just through elections, but they believe that elections are no longer determinative, so much for the party of democracy.

01:25:20.540 Speaking of evil, Chuck Schumer just used the word treason in response to the Supreme Court's decision today.

01:25:29.040 How dare he?

01:25:29.720 He already endangered the Supreme Court justices' lives.

01:25:31.920 We predicted it, Megan, right?

01:25:33.440 And now he's coming after the president's lie, the former president and the leading.

01:25:37.580 Of course, yes.

01:25:39.240 Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on X, quote,

01:25:43.160 This is a sad day for America and a sad day for our democracy.

01:25:47.160 Treason or incitement of an insurrection, neither one of those is charged,

01:25:52.820 should not be considered a core constitutional power afforded to a president.

01:25:57.440 You're disgusting.

01:25:59.300 Neither one of those was charged by the most rabid partisan prosecutor Merrick Garland could find to bring this case.

01:26:06.500 Not incitement of an insurrection, not treason.

01:26:09.720 And one of those is a death penalty charge.

01:26:13.000 That is disgusting, endangering, and honestly, par for the course for this guy now.

01:26:18.780 I hope he doesn't get too used to being Senate Majority Leader, because honestly,

01:26:21.800 if they run this guy against President Trump here, he's a real chance we're looking, as Biden was saying,

01:26:26.420 as Bannon was saying, you could have 55 on the Republican side, maybe more.

01:26:30.880 I mean, it will be a sweep.

01:26:34.040 I hope so, Megan.

01:26:35.620 I mean, these are vile people, and this is not Republican versus Democrat anymore.

01:26:39.960 This is not conservative or liberal.

01:26:41.440 It's what are you willing to destroy to destroy Trump?

01:26:44.720 And that is the question.

01:26:46.200 That is the Trump test.

01:26:47.380 What are you willing to break and damage and destroy just so that you destroy Donald Trump?

01:26:53.660 And the answer is they're willing to destroy this, the U.S. Constitution.

01:26:57.400 They've never had reverence for it, by the way.

01:26:59.780 They're willing to just go scorched earth on the entire civilization.

01:27:04.020 All of it are the customs of rule of law, separation of powers, consent to the governed.

01:27:09.620 And it really makes you wonder why.

01:27:11.300 Is it because of Donald Trump's tone or because of his former tweets?

01:27:14.940 No, no, no, no.

01:27:15.360 It's because of Donald Trump's viewpoint, and he brings a population of people into the political equation that are not supposed to have a say in important matters.

01:27:28.180 The American people that Donald Trump represents, which are the heartland, the flyover country, the forgotten man and woman, the muscular class,

01:27:36.960 they have been factored out of the American political equation for the last couple of decades.

01:27:43.580 Donald Trump brought them back in, and that is why they hate him.

01:27:47.100 That's why they hate Bannon.

01:27:48.280 And there is nothing they will not do.

01:27:50.240 And God forbid, Megan, I'm telling you, they are going to try and assassinate Donald Trump.

01:27:54.300 I hate thinking like this.

01:27:55.460 I hate even saying it out loud.

01:27:57.040 I hope saying it out loud makes it less likely.

01:28:00.180 But look, we had from Julius Caesar to Abraham Lincoln to Bobby Kennedy to JFK to Martin Luther King to Malcolm X to the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan,

01:28:10.660 the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford.

01:28:12.540 We have lived through a lot of this in American history, and we haven't had it in the last couple of decades.

01:28:17.100 And we have lost the memory on it.

01:28:19.060 But what do they have left?

01:28:20.780 They've lost at the Supreme Court.

01:28:22.140 They lost at the debate.

01:28:24.120 We need to pray for his safety because we are about to enter a very tumultuous and, God forbid, dark chapter in American history.

01:28:31.400 Completely agree with you.

01:28:32.580 I do pray for his safety.

01:28:33.740 I know my audience does, too.

01:28:35.500 It's getting—I mean, this is just too hot.

01:28:37.640 This is—they need to dial it back right now.

01:28:39.840 It's too much.

01:28:40.860 It's too much.

01:28:41.620 But they're not—they're calling people traitors, Megan.

01:28:44.160 Right.

01:28:45.660 That's just—

01:28:46.220 This is—

01:28:46.820 It's insane.

01:28:47.280 And basically, you're calling the six Supreme Court justices enablers of treason, too.

01:28:52.660 So once again, endangering them.

01:28:54.180 That's Chuck Schumer's favorite thing to do.

01:28:57.560 No, you are going to see in July and August when reality really sets in and the new tracking polls come

01:29:03.620 and these Supreme Court decisions start to go into effect.

01:29:07.240 I mean, you're going to see stuff from the American left that will make what happened during Floydapalooza and COVID look like child's play.

01:29:13.480 I don't know what that looks like, but you think that they're just going to hand the keys over to Donald Trump?

01:29:18.000 You've been saying on the electoral front, like, hold your horses.

01:29:20.280 People who are saying it's a lock, and I'm not saying it's a lock.

01:29:22.380 It's, you know, I'm quoting what Bannon was saying, that if they stick with Biden and they don't replace him—

01:29:26.620 No, I'm far more skeptical.

01:29:28.800 Yes.

01:29:29.060 Yeah, you're far more skeptical.

01:29:29.840 So talk about that for a minute.

01:29:32.080 Yeah, I think it's a lot tighter than people realize.

01:29:34.520 I mean, I believe that Georgia, Arizona, Nevada generally look good.

01:29:37.740 You need to win one of the blue-wall states.

01:29:40.020 Joe Biden is still going to have a treasure chest.

01:29:41.900 He's going to deploy a bunch of resources.

01:29:45.080 If it's close, they're going to do a lot of the shenanigans of 2020.

01:29:48.220 And again, this is going to be within the margin of error.

01:29:50.720 And if people think that the election was won just because of a favorable debate, you're wrong.

01:29:56.700 That's not the way this works at all.

01:29:58.640 We need to have, as we talked about on this program before, a ballot-chasing operation, voter registration.

01:30:04.880 Democrats are going to be incredibly desperate in how they actually run and conduct these elections.

01:30:10.440 I reject all these calls.

01:30:12.280 Oh, it's going to be a landslide.

01:30:13.540 Oh, it's going to be a red wave.

01:30:15.000 Oh, I'd like to congratulate Donald Trump on getting reelected.

01:30:18.020 All that is complete nonsense.

01:30:20.120 These are people that they're in.

01:30:21.380 Remember what I said.

01:30:22.560 Pelosi and Schumer, their whole life is holding onto political power.

01:30:26.160 And the one thing that disrupted it the most is when Donald Trump ran for the presidency.

01:30:30.240 You think they're just going to hand the keys back to the White House and say,

01:30:32.800 well, you're up in the polls and you had a good debate.

01:30:36.040 Here you go, Donald Trump.

01:30:37.280 Here's the keys back to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

01:30:39.800 Yeah, right.

01:30:41.020 You have just begun to see the desperate active measures from this regime.

01:30:45.400 What that looks like, I have no idea.

01:30:47.580 But be prepared.

01:30:48.500 It doesn't look paranoid even.

01:30:50.340 And be vigilant.

01:30:50.900 Here's Aaron Rupert, who worked for Vox before, tweeting, if President Biden declared today's

01:30:57.360 Supreme Court ruling to be an assault on democracy and ordered Chief Justice John Roberts imprisoned

01:31:04.320 indefinitely, would that be an official act?

01:31:07.580 And then, of course, there's Keith Olbermann again.

01:31:09.740 Hey, what the hell?

01:31:10.760 Let's find out.

01:31:11.900 Now, these are the most extreme voices of the left.

01:31:13.880 These aren't normal lefties, but it just shows you the level of vitriol they're fined with.

01:31:18.540 The word police, they're fine with this level of vitriol.

01:31:21.560 I do want to get back to a couple of points from that Mika Brzezinski monologue this morning

01:31:25.780 because it's straight out of the White House.

01:31:27.580 Trust me, when she went on there for 15 minutes, it was spoon fed to her by the White House.

01:31:31.720 So this is their defense.

01:31:32.760 And we went through his sparkles back.

01:31:35.700 He didn't forget to sparkle once he left the debate stage and his schedule and his long trips

01:31:40.600 and his state dinner and his Hunter, Hunter Biden's conviction and no pardon.

01:31:44.660 That's what left him stressed out, too stressed out to debate.

01:31:49.020 And now we get to, don't forget, with age comes wisdom.

01:31:53.400 Listen to Sot7.

01:31:54.100 Like many, I want to know, was this a one-off episode or a sign of what's to come?

01:32:03.300 Can his team and the president himself move forward with more discipline

01:32:07.840 and also manage the fact that he's 81?

01:32:11.820 Age is wisdom and experience that in the case of Joe Biden leads to more bipartisan legislation

01:32:18.940 passed than any president over the past few generations.

01:32:22.720 So age is a plus, but unless you're named Donald Trump and then it's not.

01:32:28.700 And here's the here's the follow up.

01:32:30.600 OK, he's the comeback kid.

01:32:32.920 It ain't over till it's over.

01:32:34.520 Now, that is that's that's their new arc.

01:32:37.320 Right.

01:32:37.840 New Jersey Governor.

01:32:38.420 That's going to be their new Democrat introduced him as the comeback kid.

01:32:41.980 And now they're pushing this narrative of he's done it his whole life.

01:32:44.760 I don't know anybody who's come back from old age.

01:32:47.120 I don't think that's how that works.

01:32:48.740 But take a listen to the messaging on this.

01:32:50.600 I don't think it's over.

01:32:55.580 This moment in the race fits the entire narrative of Joe Biden's life in his personal and professional

01:33:03.840 life.

01:33:04.760 Biden has repeatedly risen up from rock bottom.

01:33:09.340 It's what we love about him.

01:33:10.940 And she went through, Charlie, the list.

01:33:14.760 His wife died and his son died or his daughter.

01:33:19.020 He had an aneurysm.

01:33:21.460 He got caught in like a plagiarism scandal, whatever.

01:33:24.460 He.

01:33:26.120 Oh, God, she went through all the examples of it was of all.

01:33:29.520 Oh, yeah.

01:33:29.880 Obama endorsed Hillary instead of Joe Biden.

01:33:32.840 Poor Joe Biden.

01:33:33.820 She did a destitution derby history of Joe Biden's career to convince us he somehow is

01:33:41.400 going to defy the aging and dementia process, unlike every other human to ever walk the

01:33:47.680 earth before him.

01:33:49.200 OK, it's amazing how the the analogies don't work.

01:33:53.380 And yet they continue spoon feeding them to us.

01:33:56.320 And the real question is, are Democrat donors that dumb?

01:33:59.100 Are independent donors that dumb?

01:34:02.060 I dumb maybe or not.

01:34:04.320 I know a lot of Democrat donors are freaking out.

01:34:06.420 They hate Trump that much.

01:34:07.660 And the smart ones are going to keep on asking questions.

01:34:11.300 And look, I mean, here's what I here's what I have failed to understand, is that there are

01:34:15.980 private dinners you have with Joe Biden.

01:34:17.660 Do you not see right through this?

01:34:19.020 And now you just had on a broad display.

01:34:22.200 So here's what's very important is that presidential debates are the opposite of football games.

01:34:26.140 Presidential debates begin with very, very high viewership.

01:34:28.980 And it goes down dramatically after about 15 or 20 minutes.

01:34:31.440 Exactly what you talked about, Megan, at Fox.

01:34:33.440 Right.

01:34:33.940 But 15 minutes is all I can handle.

01:34:35.580 That's it.

01:34:36.260 So 50 million people watch the debate.

01:34:38.340 That's a pretty good number.

01:34:39.220 Right.

01:34:39.720 It's not Super Bowl levels, but it's 50 million.

01:34:41.960 OK, so that the first 15 minutes is the chunk of that 50 million.

01:34:46.200 That's when Joe Biden was at his worst.

01:34:48.000 I mean, he actually, in some ways, was not as bad towards the end of the debate as he

01:34:52.580 was at the beginning of the debate.

01:34:54.000 So how they're going to recover, that's now tattooed into the memory of the American people.

01:34:58.480 And it's going to require not just a lot of work, but not to mention you have an attack

01:35:03.400 dog of an opposition candidate that is not going to let you forget it.

01:35:06.900 You're not just running up against Mitt Romney here.

01:35:08.800 You're running against Donald Trump, who commands all of the attention, who commands all

01:35:13.420 of the eyeballs with a motivated base, who's increasingly winning with independent swing

01:35:17.300 voters.

01:35:18.260 And so if they want to double and triple down on running with Joe Biden, so be it.

01:35:22.340 Whether or not they're dumb, they are desperate and they do not know which direction to turn

01:35:26.360 to.

01:35:26.840 And Jill and Joe Biden are white knuckling onto power, regardless what the polls or what

01:35:32.840 some other people are telling them.

01:35:34.980 The Washington Post has a piece talking about how I'm sorry.

01:35:38.720 This is the Wall Street Journal about how European officials, world leaders have been privately

01:35:43.360 remarking on President Biden's deterioration for months.

01:35:47.820 The Democrats have been ignoring those warnings.

01:35:49.560 European officials expressing worries in private, noting a noticeable deterioration in the president's

01:35:54.720 faculties at the G7.

01:35:56.860 Same thing.

01:35:57.340 He didn't attend the critical behind the scenes meetings.

01:35:59.860 He struggled to follow the discussions.

01:36:02.960 He our own president couldn't follow what was being said at the G7.

01:36:06.460 Maybe Jill Biden should have gone in his stead on and on the anniversary of D-Day, where

01:36:11.320 he struggled.

01:36:12.440 I could keep going at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution saying it's time for him to pass the torch and

01:36:16.860 responding to Kamala Harris saying he should be evaluated on the totality of his presidency,

01:36:21.900 not one night.

01:36:22.900 That's Jill Biden's message, too.

01:36:24.740 And Obama's message that bad debate nights happen.

01:36:28.140 Quote, these responses are insulting to the American people.

01:36:32.180 They know better.

01:36:33.100 And so what is likely to happen now, Charlie?

01:36:36.180 Do you think Joe Biden will be forced out?

01:36:38.420 And if so, when?

01:36:41.020 I don't.

01:36:42.420 At this point, it's a 50-50 shot, but I think that I think they're going to stick with Joe

01:36:46.400 because it's such a messy process.

01:36:48.460 The only way that Joe gets removed is if Barack Obama privately comes to Joe and says,

01:36:54.640 you're done.

01:36:55.340 That's the only way.

01:36:56.440 He is basically the pope of the Democrat Party.

01:36:58.940 What he says goes.

01:37:00.060 He's the most popular, the most powerful.

01:37:01.700 He built an entire deep state within the government that is loyal to him.

01:37:06.100 The only way that Joe goes is if Joe says, I'm done.

01:37:09.840 There really is no other process at the convention to do that.

01:37:12.380 These delegates are bound to him.

01:37:14.120 When they meet in Chicago, they're not able just to kind of jump ship.

01:37:19.780 But that is going to be one eventful convention for more reasons than one, by the way, in Chicago.

01:37:26.060 And again, everyone thought that all the drama would be on the Republican side.

01:37:29.020 Trump facing lawfare, Trump with a bitter primary, Trump after January 6th.

01:37:34.300 It's a great time to be a Republican right now.

01:37:36.280 We've never been more unified.

01:37:37.780 We've kind of never been more determined on our mission.

01:37:40.260 The Democrats are in complete panic mode and disarray.

01:37:44.480 The walls are closing in, as they would say, at MSNBC.

01:37:48.420 Good luck to those who want to imprison Supreme Court justices, including the chief justice.

01:37:52.700 We'll see how that helps your electoral chances, Charlie.

01:37:55.580 That's right.

01:37:56.060 Thank you.

01:37:56.720 What a day.

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01:37:58.200 Thank you.

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Media Quits Biden Cognitive Fitness Cover-Up, and Trump Gets Massive Immunity Ruling From Supreme Court, with Charlie Kirk ｜ Ep. 827

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