The Megyn Kelly Show - Media's Attacks on Casey DeSantis and RFK Continue, and Importance of IRL Connection, with Stu Burguiere, David Marcus, and The Wachobs ｜ Ep. 584

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.620 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday. Hope you had a great weekend.

00:00:16.980 President Biden had a busy one, hanging out at the beach, not getting asked again about Hunter Biden or the White House cocaine on CNN.

00:00:26.240 Now he's shuffling around, and I do mean shuffling, with King Charles overseas.

00:00:31.820 It's tough being president when you work normally 10 to 2. Now you've got to fly overseas and actually shake some hands.

00:00:39.120 It's better than what our Treasury Secretary is doing, which is bowing to the Chinese over and over and over again, which is something we don't do, Janet Yellen.

00:00:48.500 We don't do. As Americans, we stand upright. We don't bow to China. No diplomats are supposed to do it either.

00:00:56.240 Check your little protocol booklet. You embarrass yourself and the country.

00:01:01.280 Meantime, the media continues their attacks on Casey DeSantis. Man, they are trying to demonize her, not to mention RFK Jr.

00:01:09.160 Later, we will be joined by two health and wellness experts.

00:01:13.840 But we begin today with two guys who are not exactly that.

00:01:18.520 Stu Bergeer is host of Stu Does America on Blaze TV, and David Marcus is a columnist and author.

00:01:23.900 Welcome back, guys. I shouldn't impugn you, Stu. I've never seen you sitting here smoking a cigarette on the air like my friend Dave, which is why I took a shot at his non-role as a health and wellness expert.

00:01:34.700 I walk a lot, Megan.

00:01:37.100 Good. You know, I think we're going to talk to our health and wellness experts about how even worse for you than smoking cigarettes is total social isolation.

00:01:48.700 And while I've seen your tweets, Dave, and I feel like I know you well enough to know this is like sometimes something you complain about, you are beloved and you are all over the Internet and Fox and so on.

00:01:59.660 So I think hopefully you're making up for some of those cigarette deficiencies or dangers with your ubiquitous social presence.

00:02:07.520 All right, guys. So can we just kick it off with Casey DeSantis? Because, man, she is like she gets the left to go. 0.95

00:02:15.260 They hate her in a special way. It's almost coming at her more viciously than we saw with Melania, who didn't really say that much.

00:02:25.320 They just hated her because she was Trump's wife. But Casey DeSantis hasn't said that much.

00:02:30.360 She did appear in an ad and maybe that's why they're really coming for her.

00:02:35.580 I think we've got do we have the ad for the Casey DeSantis ad?

00:02:38.580 I thought we did. And yeah.

00:02:40.940 All right. Here we are. Sot 9.

00:02:43.720 We've been told that we must deny truth, back down and look the other way.

00:02:51.020 Enough is enough. When you come after our kids, we fight back because there's nothing we won't do to protect our children.

00:03:07.340 They're not yours.

00:03:09.320 These are our kids.

00:03:10.740 Our nation's children are all our children.

00:03:12.920 We will not allow you to exploit their innocence to advance your agenda.

00:03:21.480 We are no longer silent.

00:03:24.040 We are united.

00:03:26.120 And we have finally found our fighter.

00:03:30.280 We're not going to let you impose an agenda on our kids. 0.84

00:03:33.820 We're going to stand up for our kids.

00:03:35.720 We do for America what he did for us.

00:03:40.220 It's a good ad.

00:03:41.140 It's it's one of the best ads we've seen from Team DeSantis.

00:03:44.760 And look, she puts herself out there.

00:03:46.380 So he in it comes.

00:03:47.680 But my my comment is just about this particular viciousness of the attacks against her.

00:03:55.060 And before I toss it to you, I'll just give you one example.

00:03:58.000 This is from is it MSNBC?

00:04:01.560 Yeah, it's MSNBC, which had a panel discussion.

00:04:06.060 David Jolly is the one commentator.

00:04:07.800 He was a former Republican up until a few minutes ago.

00:04:11.040 And Tara Setmeyer, watch. 0.98

00:04:13.920 For many, she's the brighter side to Florida's angry governor. 0.99

00:04:17.920 For others, she's become America's Karen.

00:04:20.180 And I think that's the ultimate disconnect here with a campaign that needs to embrace

00:04:24.420 more constituencies to get to the White House.

00:04:26.900 Look, she is a more effective messenger than Ron DeSantis.

00:04:30.440 But if all she is doing is amplifying the wrong message, she's actually clarifying Ron

00:04:35.660 DeSantis's weaknesses.

00:04:37.080 As I like to say, it doesn't matter if it's presented in heels or boots.

00:04:40.460 The DeSantis doctrines are losing one.

00:04:42.140 We're going to learn that the more Casey DeSantis gets out there. 0.99

00:04:46.740 Tara, I think David's beaten you in terms of taking my breath away during a segment.

00:04:52.580 But real quickly, because I do want to move on to Mike Pence for a hot second, America's

00:04:57.200 Karen.

00:04:57.680 David Jolly.

00:04:58.280 Well, I called her this, you know, Serena Waterford wannabe needs to cut it out. 1.00

00:05:03.840 We see you.

00:05:04.840 So there's all kinds of names for her.

00:05:08.460 She needs to stop trying to measure the great drapes in the White House and think that she's 0.98

00:05:11.720 some kind of Jackie O reincarnated.

00:05:14.920 Okay.

00:05:15.420 Serena Waterford, for those who aren't familiar with Handmaid's Tale, is the main lead character.

00:05:20.240 She's married to the abusive husband and forcing the handmaid to bear the husband's fruit. 1.00

00:05:28.020 And she's a crazy lunatic. 1.00

00:05:29.920 So that's how they want to paint her.

00:05:32.260 She's Serena Waterford.

00:05:34.280 She's America's Karen, as Jonathan Capehart just laps it up.

00:05:39.260 Stu absolutely loves every moment of it.

00:05:42.700 Of course, of course.

00:05:44.360 And it's just so shocking to watch this.

00:05:46.140 I don't know.

00:05:46.460 Maybe I'm in a different world.

00:05:48.020 I don't know.

00:05:48.800 We're going to have a back and forth in the primary between Trump and DeSantis and all

00:05:52.360 these other people.

00:05:53.020 And that'll all be sorted out over time.

00:05:55.040 But when you watch the mainstream media talk about this, they turn Casey DeSantis into this

00:05:59.380 horrible figure.

00:06:01.540 You know, I will say my wife watched this ad and my wife was literally audibly cheering

00:06:07.820 it on as it was going.

00:06:10.060 Now, she's not going to be she's not a super highly political person.

00:06:13.100 She just wants to defend our children. 1.00

00:06:15.440 And I think that is the reaction you get from that from from a lot of people.

00:06:20.900 Of course, politics plays into this and everyone's going to analyze this.

00:06:25.020 And I don't know if anyone on MSNBC actually believes the things that they're even saying.

00:06:29.240 They're just going to try to trash whoever they think is going to be Joe Biden, whoever

00:06:32.680 else is running on the left.

00:06:33.880 But like when you're talking about connecting with actual moms, when you're talking about

00:06:38.120 connecting with actual voters in this country, this is the type of thing that is on their

00:06:42.080 mind.

00:06:42.560 They see this thing, these terrible images on their televisions every single night, and

00:06:47.180 they want somebody who's going to stand up and at least tell them, hey, you're not nuts.

00:06:52.320 You're not nuts for thinking that, you know, boys are boys and girls are girls.

00:06:56.340 You're not nuts for thinking that people marching down the street saying we're coming for your

00:07:00.380 children is a threatening moment.

00:07:02.800 You're not nuts for thinking your kids should be allowed to go to school and hang out with

00:07:07.620 their friends instead of being locked up behind masks and Zoom calls.

00:07:11.720 These are things that American voters relate to very closely.

00:07:14.980 And they make Ron DeSantis out to be like he's the worst politician of all time.

00:07:19.540 He went from winning by 0.4 points in his state to 20.

00:07:24.280 Now, he might not be able to beat the former president of the United States.

00:07:27.200 I mean, that's a very difficult task, but they make him out to be this this terrible

00:07:31.740 politician who can't relate to anyone.

00:07:33.680 Casey DeSantis, they're mocking her appearance on Twitter right now.

00:07:37.800 I mean, they've gone nuts and I don't think there's any path back for them.

00:07:42.260 What are they saying about her appearance on Twitter?

00:07:43.940 There's nothing to mock.

00:07:44.940 She's stunning.

00:07:45.900 She's beautiful.

00:07:47.980 I mean, look, this is not my my take, obviously, but they are the the they're trending right now

00:07:53.860 as Eddie Munster. And there's a photo where they're putting Eddie Munster's photo next

00:07:59.300 to Casey DeSantis, because I guess she had some eyebrow.

00:08:02.400 I don't know if it's doctored or what they're trying to make her look like people. 0.92

00:08:06.940 Again, there's a there might be things to criticize about Casey DeSantis.

00:08:10.280 I don't know her that well, but I don't think her appearance is one of the things.

00:08:13.060 There was also there was also some consternation about the fact that she wore high heels on

00:08:17.600 grass, which I don't know if you know about this, Stu, or maybe I didn't know that that

00:08:21.660 was something one was not supposed to do.

00:08:23.440 But apparently I don't think it's a faux pas so much as just difficult, just difficult.

00:08:27.240 It's annoying.

00:08:27.800 You know, just keep sinking into it.

00:08:29.100 I found it to be very nice when I wear high heels on grass.

00:08:31.500 I think it's very, very comfortable as long as you're not going down.

00:08:33.960 All right.

00:08:36.200 We'll get to that segment later, Miss Netherlands.

00:08:39.020 Stand by on that.

00:08:40.680 But what do you make of it, Dave?

00:08:42.820 Because, OK, so she's taking a political stance. 0.92

00:08:45.040 She's a former news anchor, so she understands how to work the camera and how to sound on

00:08:48.300 camera.

00:08:48.900 And you can tell.

00:08:49.920 But I think the reason they're reacting so angrily to her is they accurately perceive

00:08:54.100 her as a threat. 0.71

00:08:56.300 Spot on.

00:08:57.080 I mean, absolutely.

00:08:58.180 There have not been a whole lot of bright spots for the DeSantis campaign since he announced

00:09:03.660 she's she is one of them.

00:09:06.400 And there's a there's a there's a political history to this.

00:09:09.460 First ladies weren't terribly important until 1992 and Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:09:14.520 And there was a lot of talk about, wait a minute, she's going to have a role. 0.99

00:09:17.980 Nobody voted for her.

00:09:19.480 Michelle Obama was a little bit in this vein as well.

00:09:22.200 Right.

00:09:22.460 Where Obama was like, we're a team.

00:09:25.360 The Bushes weren't so much, as you rightly point out, like Melania wasn't.

00:09:30.600 But Bill Clinton and Barack Obama both became president of the United States with these very

00:09:36.520 sort of strong female figures on their team. 1.00

00:09:39.480 And I think that this can help DeSantis.

00:09:42.160 And I think that's why you're seeing so much over the top fire at her, obviously from the

00:09:47.600 left, but even to some extent from Trump supporters.

00:09:50.580 So, yeah, she's she's clearly over the target and she's taking a lot of flack. 1.00

00:09:55.660 And she does so far seem to have the ability to handle it and to really help his campaign.

00:10:01.860 I don't think we've seen it in the numbers yet, but I think she's clearly a big benefit to

00:10:07.300 Ronda Sanders.

00:10:07.840 Well, that's the thing.

00:10:08.420 So people don't vote for a candidate because of his wife. 0.84

00:10:11.540 They might not vote for him because of her potentially like in the Hillary wasn't exactly 1.00

00:10:16.580 a draw for Republicans considering Bill Clinton, though he won.

00:10:21.260 So she's not going to get him past his polling difficulties still, but she's she's more of

00:10:27.360 a help than she is a hindrance.

00:10:29.380 And that's why she must be destroyed.

00:10:31.180 And this will just be the beginning.

00:10:32.320 And she can't do anything right.

00:10:33.300 You know that she had on that jacket that said something like, you know, we're woke goes

00:10:36.900 to die.

00:10:37.600 And they were like, oh, she's the target.

00:10:39.600 She's the Melania of Target or whatever they put it. 0.93

00:10:43.300 And then she wears like the sweeping Jackie Kennedy ask, you know, dresses and some of

00:10:49.140 these photo shoots with the capes.

00:10:50.360 And they're like, oh, she's a Jackie.

00:10:51.880 I want.

00:10:52.740 OK, so every woman can be both. 1.00

00:10:54.880 You can wear the motorcycle jacket one day and you can wear the beautiful long dress with

00:10:58.520 the cape the next.

00:10:59.520 And if they were saying this sort of stuff about a lefty, these same people would be

00:11:03.840 outraged at the rampant misogyny.

00:11:05.700 But as always, it's totally fair game against a Republican wife. 1.00

00:11:10.260 Yes, of course, they can come with all the force needed.

00:11:13.200 You can say anything you want about a Republican wife.

00:11:15.480 And it's disgusting.

00:11:16.860 I think she is an asset.

00:11:17.880 I think, you know, she's someone that can help.

00:11:19.440 I mean, if there's been any criticism of DeSantis, that's been pretty consistent is that maybe

00:11:23.680 he's not the most relatable guy and he doesn't come off as relatable.

00:11:27.620 And she can help with that.

00:11:28.940 I think, you know, having a beautiful young family is something that most politicians really,

00:11:33.820 really want.

00:11:34.600 And but to show how the the unfairness has never been more clear than it was with Melania

00:11:38.800 Trump.

00:11:39.100 You know, we can all talk about they love to make Michelle Obama into one of the five most 1.00

00:11:44.280 beautiful women in the world when she was serving as in her role as a first lady where 1.00

00:11:50.880 you have Melania Trump, who is an actual legitimate supermodel, right? 1.00

00:11:55.500 Like she's coming into this built for pictures, for photos, for being on camera.

00:12:01.880 And none of the major publications ever put her on the cover.

00:12:06.220 There were there were never any fluff interviews about how she dressed or the decisions she's

00:12:10.960 made about her style.

00:12:12.240 She got none of that, despite the fact that she really wasn't involved politically.

00:12:16.960 She wasn't out there promoting Donald Trump's policies, per se.

00:12:20.580 She took a backseat role.

00:12:22.460 She didn't really want to be out there as far as the politics of it.

00:12:25.680 And yet the media completely besmirched her to every opportunity.

00:12:30.300 Here's someone who was legitimately came from the role of being a fashion icon.

00:12:34.900 So no matter what Casey DeSantis does, she's going to get a terrible treatment on this. 1.00

00:12:40.260 And so is every other Republican wife. 1.00

00:12:42.480 You just think that they wouldn't be so obvious about it.

00:12:45.600 They get into it so quickly with no hesitation and, you know, really no knowledge of who this

00:12:51.800 person is.

00:12:52.580 They just want to destroy her because that seems to be their narrative all the time.

00:12:56.720 These same people, I mean, truly are praising Jill Biden's dresses as like the next Vogue

00:13:04.060 icon.

00:13:04.600 And honestly, the ones that they promote her in, she looks like she's wearing my Nana's

00:13:09.500 housecoat.

00:13:10.180 So just I mean, it's such an obvious joke.

00:13:13.420 With all due respect to Dr.

00:13:14.980 Jill Biden, fashion is not at the top of the list of her accomplishments.

00:13:18.580 I'm sure there are many others.

00:13:19.780 She'd be glad to tell you they begin with getting her Ph.D.

00:13:23.260 But my point is they hold her up as a fashion icon.

00:13:27.140 Michelle Obama as a fashion icon.

00:13:29.100 And Melania, who never made a misstep with her fashion, gets totally ignored. 0.82

00:13:34.080 The same thing's about to happen to Casey DeSantis, even though Ron DeSantis is struggling

00:13:39.040 in the polls.

00:13:40.040 And that's exactly where they'd like to keep him, Dave.

00:13:42.040 That's exactly because the left is convinced Trump should be the nominee.

00:13:45.740 Trump is beatable as the nominee.

00:13:47.340 And the left wants Donald Trump in that position much more than it wants Ron DeSantis.

00:13:52.200 Now, having said all that, DeSantis is struggling in the polls.

00:13:55.820 We've talked about it many times.

00:13:56.840 He's getting down into like he's flirting with single digits now, which is definitely

00:14:01.560 not the position you want to be in.

00:14:02.720 But he's around 20 in most of the polls.

00:14:06.100 And he goes on Fox News this weekend.

00:14:08.500 And Maria Bartiromo, she cross examined him at one point.

00:14:11.960 And then he talked a bit with Will Cain about why it seems like his message isn't totally

00:14:18.120 connecting.

00:14:19.040 Listen here.

00:14:19.480 It's not 11.

00:14:19.860 So I'm curious in the analysis of Ron DeSantis of why not yet is connecting.

00:14:30.620 Well, I think, did you just see the news today about the record fundraising haul we've had?

00:14:35.740 Nobody's been able to match that in the history of modern presidential politics.

00:14:39.900 So we've got a huge amount of support to be able to take the case to the people.

00:14:44.000 We really haven't started that yet.

00:14:45.540 We're in the process of building out a great organization.

00:14:49.760 And then listen to this.

00:14:51.220 Here's the next one with Maria over the weekend.

00:14:54.380 You've done a great job pushing back against woke.

00:14:58.200 We know that.

00:14:59.040 But I'm wondering what's going on with your campaign.

00:15:01.800 There was a lot of optimism about you running for president earlier in the year.

00:15:06.180 But here's this weekend's headline from the Politico playbook.

00:15:10.140 Failure to launch Florida Governor Ron DeSantis' campaign to topple Donald Trump has stalled.

00:15:16.980 We are way behind, says a top DeSantis PAC official sounding the alarm.

00:15:21.800 What happened?

00:15:24.720 Maria, these are narratives.

00:15:27.080 The media does not want me to be the nominee.

00:15:30.080 I think that's very, very clear.

00:15:31.520 Why?

00:15:32.220 Because they know I'll beat Biden.

00:15:34.200 But even more importantly, they know I will actually deliver on all these things.

00:15:38.540 We will stop the invasion at the border.

00:15:40.720 We'll take on the drug cartels.

00:15:42.760 We'll curtail the administrative state.

00:15:45.060 We'll get spending under control.

00:15:46.480 We'll do all the things that they don't want to see done.

00:15:51.880 David Marcus, just a point of clarification there.

00:15:54.520 That Politico article she was referencing was quoting one of his top PAC guys who said,

00:16:00.520 I'm going to be honest.

00:16:01.380 He's struggling.

00:16:02.160 He's way behind.

00:16:03.600 Trump's the master debater.

00:16:05.280 That's a point of vulnerability, too.

00:16:07.500 It wasn't Politico.

00:16:08.620 It was DeSantis' own team saying those things.

00:16:10.960 Go ahead.

00:16:11.260 Yeah, I mean, listen, that's a hard question to answer about, you know, why aren't you doing

00:16:17.060 better?

00:16:17.540 I don't think anybody cares about the donor numbers.

00:16:21.300 That's a very inside baseball thing that really doesn't move the needle with voters.

00:16:25.420 But one thing that DeSantis said that I thought was key is he said, we're building out a great

00:16:29.400 team.

00:16:29.980 Okay, let's see it, right?

00:16:31.380 Because right now, most of the messaging of the DeSantis campaign that's getting out there

00:16:36.380 and penetrating is either coming from super PACs or the random anonymous Twitter rapid response

00:16:44.780 team that he has attacking, like, everybody who says anything slightly bad about DeSantis

00:16:51.880 or the campaign.

00:16:53.080 And that's really, really, really not working.

00:16:55.920 I mean, if you put the campaign staff, if I ran into the campaign staff, the actual campaign

00:17:01.160 staff, such as it exists, at 7-Eleven, I wouldn't know who they were.

00:17:05.620 So they need to get control of this thing, because what they're doing right now, you know,

00:17:10.620 picking fights with conservative influencers and sort of going all over the map the way

00:17:16.600 that they're doing it, it's clearly not working.

00:17:18.600 It's disjointed.

00:17:20.080 And he does have a good message when he gets to saying it.

00:17:23.420 I thought those were both really good hits, but the campaign needs to take the lead.

00:17:27.900 And I think it's time to turn off the overly online Twitter response team.

00:17:34.160 Because it could be a matter of message discipline.

00:17:36.860 I mean, I totally know what you're saying.

00:17:38.940 There are I don't think it's necessarily his team, though it might be his team you're referring

00:17:43.980 to.

00:17:44.520 But he's got some random people on Twitter who are diehard DeSantis fans who just pick the

00:17:49.940 nastiest fights.

00:17:50.960 Now that this is also true, let's I mean, I lived through 2016 and Trump and Steve Bannon.

00:17:57.720 So it's not like this is unprecedented.

00:18:00.640 No, but maybe they have to fight fire with fire.

00:18:02.860 But it's based into Trump's cake, right?

00:18:04.360 We know that about Trump.

00:18:05.640 We don't know it about DeSantis.

00:18:07.220 We don't know if people will give DeSantis the pass for vulgarity or crudeness or things

00:18:12.680 like that that they gave to Trump.

00:18:14.340 So far, I don't think they are.

00:18:16.920 What do you make of it, Stu?

00:18:17.960 Because that that did dominate.

00:18:19.240 There's a story over the weekend that just dominated Twitter.

00:18:22.400 And we all know Twitter's not real life, but it was a little odd.

00:18:25.580 Like his team's messaging on Twitter, they do seem to have very thin skin and be pushed

00:18:30.860 off message very easily.

00:18:32.320 You know that instead of seeing their message pushed all weekend, I saw some fight they were

00:18:36.760 having with Tim Pool.

00:18:38.040 That's who I think Dave is mentioning when he when he suggests conservative commentator who

00:18:41.600 they're fighting with over a nine second clip of Tim's of it was like one of one of the

00:18:47.720 pride marches where people are saying we're coming for your children and they used it in

00:18:51.980 a campaign ad, which is not unusual.

00:18:53.720 And at the end of the ad, it said, you know, paid for by Ron DeSantis.

00:18:57.560 Then Tim Pool started saying you didn't pay for it.

00:19:00.520 That's that's a lie.

00:19:02.480 I don't know exactly how this went down, but if that's what Tim Pool is complaining about,

00:19:05.660 he's wrong because the ad is, of course, suggesting this is an advertisement we paid

00:19:11.460 for.

00:19:11.860 We, the DeSantis team, paid somebody to put it together.

00:19:15.240 We, the DeSantis team, paid somebody to put it on Twitter.

00:19:18.380 We paid Twitter.

00:19:19.120 You know, like, I don't think they're suggesting we pay for every single second we're using

00:19:22.880 in the ad.

00:19:23.640 Some of this will be, they'll argue, is fair use, though, when it's for money, we'll find

00:19:28.220 out whether that holds.

00:19:29.100 In any event, why pick a fight with Tim Pool?

00:19:31.040 Why the hell not move right on and ignore it?

00:19:33.840 Yeah, I don't I don't know why you would do that.

00:19:35.480 I think these dumb battles that go back and forth at this point, I totally agree with the

00:19:40.160 with the fighting on Twitter and all that stuff.

00:19:42.300 I don't know what that gets people.

00:19:43.780 I don't like it.

00:19:44.560 You know, we're in the primary timeline and the primary timeline is the dumbest

00:19:49.000 timeline.

00:19:49.640 Everyone gets incredibly angry and screams at everybody, and we get nothing out of

00:19:55.060 that.

00:19:55.800 Of course, you know, there are massive issues going on with the president of the United

00:19:59.600 States, lots of stuff to criticize on his side that gets ignored when you're going

00:20:04.600 back and forth with other conservatives about the differences that that might be minor in

00:20:10.260 detail.

00:20:11.240 I mean, look, I think we can blow this up as too big here.

00:20:15.020 The president of the United States is running again.

00:20:17.460 This is very rare.

00:20:18.900 Donald Trump is one of the probably the most famous person in the world, right?

00:20:23.040 He's not going to be easy to beat in a primary.

00:20:25.680 We're six months away from a vote.

00:20:27.680 You shouldn't be panicking if you're a Ron DeSantis supporter, if you're in the Ron

00:20:31.100 DeSantis campaign.

00:20:32.260 But like this is going to be hard.

00:20:34.420 This is Trump's to lose.

00:20:35.660 And it's been Trump's to lose from day one.

00:20:38.080 He you know, what is his floor in these elections?

00:20:40.700 40 percent.

00:20:41.520 Let's go back.

00:20:42.180 Let's go back.

00:20:42.740 Let's go back, Stu, because we just looked at this on Friday.

00:20:45.500 And if you look at early this year, early 2023, shortly after the midterms, there was

00:20:50.260 a two point difference between the two of them in Iowa.

00:20:52.820 Two points, DeSantis and Trump.

00:20:55.260 And that was when Ron DeSantis was coming off of his enormous and very impressive win down

00:20:59.560 in Florida.

00:21:00.180 And Trump was getting beaten up in the news for having picked or at least backed the wrong

00:21:05.320 candidates in those midterms who failed mightily in state after state.

00:21:09.480 And Trump sort of had the stench of losing on him at that time.

00:21:13.160 Forget the indictments.

00:21:13.960 Those all helped him.

00:21:15.060 And Ron had the glory of winning.

00:21:17.980 But then time went on and the indictments came down, which soared Trump's numbers.

00:21:23.960 And Ron got farther and farther away from his big win in Florida and sort of, you know,

00:21:28.040 left memory.

00:21:29.300 And now things have dramatically changed.

00:21:31.620 So there is a question about whether he should have gotten in earlier and just sort of taken

00:21:35.840 the wind off of those, you know, the sales he got from from winning and use that to buoy

00:21:40.920 himself to a stronger position earlier.

00:21:42.800 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of strategic questions.

00:21:44.880 I think suboptimal would be the word I would use to to describe the rollout so far for DeSantis.

00:21:50.580 There's a world in which he does great and starts beating Trump early.

00:21:55.820 I mean, that could have happened.

00:21:57.300 I just don't think I think what we're talking about when DeSantis was very close.

00:22:00.560 It was vibes, right?

00:22:01.960 Trump was in a in a rough spot.

00:22:03.340 He'd come off of a bunch of endorsement losses, you know, as you point out, DeSantis came

00:22:07.860 off of a big victory.

00:22:09.320 It was a high point for him.

00:22:11.100 Since that since then, the news has changed.

00:22:13.600 I don't think DeSantis's message has changed.

00:22:15.680 I don't think Trump's message has changed.

00:22:17.620 But Trump has been dominating the news and he will continue to do that.

00:22:21.600 I mean, if you think about think back to like, what is the best Trump you've ever seen

00:22:26.080 on the campaign trail?

00:22:26.940 If I had to argue for a particular month of time, I would argue the last month of the 2016

00:22:32.680 election where he came out of the Access Hollywood tape.

00:22:35.860 He was in crisis and he just buckled down.

00:22:39.060 He was on message every single day.

00:22:41.280 He he nailed it and wound up winning that election.

00:22:44.840 If that Donald Trump exists throughout this election, no one is going to beat him.

00:22:49.640 Ron DeSantis has no chance to beat him.

00:22:51.920 And I don't think I don't think Joe Biden does either.

00:22:54.420 But that is not the Trump we see every single day.

00:22:57.540 A lot of times he goes off message.

00:22:58.960 He could, I think, lose this.

00:23:02.060 But I don't think just Ron DeSantis out of pure will can overcome a guy in the Donald

00:23:07.000 Trump position.

00:23:07.800 He's at 40 percent, probably a minimum in most of these states, which gives you a very

00:23:12.680 minimal chance to try to find a window to defeat a candidate, especially when there's

00:23:18.120 11, you know, people in the race.

00:23:20.600 So you have the debate opportunity.

00:23:22.940 He has a chance to do this.

00:23:24.460 But I think it's important to look at this and understand that it might not be that Ron

00:23:28.540 DeSantis is a terrible candidate or there's something wrong with Casey DeSantis's looks 1.00

00:23:32.220 if he loses this.

00:23:33.460 It might just be that Donald Trump is a particularly unique person who has a path to this that is

00:23:39.340 almost difficult to deny.

00:23:42.820 Well, Dave, you tweeted out the other day an interesting thought, quote, what I keep coming

00:23:48.640 up against is that Trump can win the nomination without a single current DeSantis supporter.

00:23:54.200 DeSantis needs half of Trump's.

00:23:56.980 I don't see how he can pull that off.

00:23:58.960 It's a good point.

00:24:00.140 I mean, DeSantis needs to rest away loyal fans of Trump's.

00:24:05.220 Trump doesn't need to rest a single fan away from DeSantis.

00:24:08.560 DeSantis, of course, his other lane is to consolidate the anti-Trump vote.

00:24:12.780 But even that is not looking like a sure thing right now.

00:24:17.680 Yeah, I mean, that would be a disaster.

00:24:20.240 I saw Alyssa Farah yesterday tweeted something about the only way that you beat Trump is you

00:24:25.120 have to go after him.

00:24:26.200 Yeah, you have to attack him and call him a liar.

00:24:28.160 And then she cited as her examples of people who are doing a good job of this as Chris Christie

00:24:33.540 and Asa Hutchinson will hurt.

00:24:36.740 And it's like, my God, combined, they're at three percent in the polls.

00:24:39.660 Like, what are you talking about?

00:24:40.900 Do what they're doing.

00:24:42.580 Yeah, yeah, do that.

00:24:44.100 No, this is this is the problem in a nutshell, right?

00:24:47.240 This this is a very difficult needle to thread for DeSantis because he can't just come out

00:24:53.020 and say Donald Trump was a bad president.

00:24:55.280 He's on the record saying that Donald Trump was a good president.

00:24:57.800 So what he's got to do, there's an analogy that I use.

00:25:01.560 It's a biblical analogy.

00:25:02.700 You'll forgive me for comparing Donald Trump to Moses.

00:25:04.720 But, you know, Moses brought the Israelites out of slavery with Pharaoh and brought them

00:25:09.520 to Mount Sinai.

00:25:10.900 But because he broke the tablets of the law, he wasn't allowed to go to the promised land,

00:25:15.680 right?

00:25:16.160 Joshua had to take the Israelites to the promised land. 0.68

00:25:19.260 DeSantis needs to be Joshua.

00:25:20.920 And the answer isn't to take the Israelites back to Pharaoh, back to the to the rhino establishment 0.94

00:25:26.980 or whatever you call it.

00:25:28.060 The answer is to make the positive case to voters that.

00:25:31.780 I love what Trump wants America to be.

00:25:35.300 I want America to be that, too.

00:25:36.940 And I have the unique skill set to actually make it happen this time.

00:25:41.120 I don't know if it'll work.

00:25:42.160 But it's the only path I see.

00:25:44.760 So but here's the thing.

00:25:45.480 I think that's generally DeSantis's thought, too.

00:25:48.520 And if you look at how he's done the media over the past four months or so, he's been

00:25:53.580 going to Trump friendly media.

00:25:55.360 He is definitely 100 percent been trying to get in front of media that Trump supporters

00:26:00.600 watch.

00:26:01.440 And it hasn't worked.

00:26:03.620 It hasn't worked.

00:26:05.320 You know, so he's got to come up with some sort of a different plan.

00:26:08.180 And he's not bashing Trump.

00:26:09.860 He hasn't been over the past month more so.

00:26:12.100 But in most of that time, he hasn't been bashing Trump.

00:26:14.560 He's been saying nice things about Trump and trying to focus his criticism on the left.

00:26:17.680 It hasn't worked.

00:26:19.020 The Trump fan base is they remain where they where they've always been.

00:26:24.560 So it must be extremely frustrating for him, right?

00:26:28.420 Because it's like now he's going to try bashing Trump.

00:26:31.300 I don't know that that moves the needle either.

00:26:33.680 To Stu's point, how the hell are you going to get around the former president of the United

00:26:37.940 States who's still got a second term available potentially to him?

00:26:42.760 Yeah, you know, Megan, I think, though, one thing that the DeSantis team should probably

00:26:46.200 think about is I don't think DeSantis is going to win tons and tons of voters over

00:26:51.680 by going to conservative shows and making his case that will help him with donors.

00:26:55.740 If he's doing very well there, it'll help at some level.

00:26:58.620 But what would would excite, I think, the Republican base are the very viral moments

00:27:04.080 that we've seen from DeSantis before when he's going after reporters and people on the

00:27:08.280 other side.

00:27:09.280 Put yourself in those the firing line a little bit.

00:27:12.380 Take the hits from people on CNN and then slam them and beat them.

00:27:16.980 He's shown he's very, very good at this.

00:27:19.440 Do that more and people will remember it.

00:27:21.500 That's a great point.

00:27:22.540 We never see him doing that.

00:27:23.820 We used to see that all the time down at the Florida state level when he was fighting

00:27:26.960 over covid. And it's one of the reasons he became a star.

00:27:30.060 And now, Dave, you know, he's on with all these conservative commentators, friendly commentators

00:27:34.780 who barely challenge him.

00:27:37.320 And in the viewers, the Republican base comes to those exchanges already hating the liberal

00:27:43.600 media. Right.

00:27:44.400 It's like he goes in, at least with his base, with an advantage and he should be begging

00:27:50.220 for them to take unfair shots at him because he's a brilliant and B, he actually is adept

00:27:55.780 at fighting.

00:27:56.660 But we have not seen that over the past several months.

00:28:01.280 Yeah.

00:28:01.500 And Stu's right.

00:28:02.460 I mean, we absolutely should.

00:28:04.000 You know, I last weekend I covered the Moms for Liberty event where both Trump and DeSantis

00:28:09.620 spoke and, you know, the people that I spoke to there, they want someone who's going to

00:28:15.500 fight for them.

00:28:16.340 And that's what everybody thinks of Trump as.

00:28:19.640 And DeSantis is so well positioned specifically on those issues that moms are worried about 0.83

00:28:26.580 to go on MSNBC and have those fights. 0.96

00:28:29.800 And even if he gets dinged every now and again, people are going to love that.

00:28:34.040 And people will start to feel about DeSantis the way they feel about Trump, which is he's

00:28:40.420 fighting for me.

00:28:41.800 He's he's my man in the arena.

00:28:44.480 So I think that's fantastic advice.

00:28:46.820 I think he should be all over the left.

00:28:48.920 I think kind of doing what RFK Jr.

00:28:51.260 is doing on the right.

00:28:52.540 You know, RFK Jr.

00:28:53.400 will go on to more right leaning and conservative places and it makes a splash and people read

00:28:59.440 about it and they're interested in it.

00:29:00.800 So, yeah, I think that's something that they could start doing very quickly.

00:29:03.900 That would be very, very effective.

00:29:06.080 RFK Jr., RFKJ, as I call him.

00:29:09.180 He just did a long interview with The New Yorker, with David Remnick, and it was unbelievable.

00:29:15.800 It's I love watching, in this case, reading these exchanges because the guy does not back

00:29:21.040 down.

00:29:21.940 It's amazing to me the number of people who just try to dismiss him as a conspiracy theorist.

00:29:25.720 He's a conspiracy.

00:29:26.420 He's a conspiracy.

00:29:26.940 If you actually start to look at his so-called conspiracies, he has evidence for all of them.

00:29:32.340 Now, it's not that it's to say that I endorse them all or I come to the same conclusion on

00:29:35.660 all of them, but they're trying to paint him out to be an Alex Jones and he is not an Alex

00:29:40.040 Jones.

00:29:40.720 And that's the latest attempt by The New Yorker.

00:29:42.580 We'll talk about that.

00:29:43.280 We'll talk about Moms for Liberty and Miss Netherlands, who's a dude coming up.

00:29:49.120 Dave and Stu, stand by.

00:29:50.900 Guys, we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about what's happening on the other side of the aisle.

00:29:58.500 So let's talk Biden and RFKJ for a second.

00:30:02.080 Joe Biden is an angry, angry man.

00:30:04.380 So says Axios in its latest drop, which is entitled Biden's private fury.

00:30:12.320 In public, President Biden likes to whisper to make a point.

00:30:15.300 In private, he's prone to yelling, get off my lawn and more behind closed doors.

00:30:21.500 Biden has such a quick trigger temper, reports Axios, that some aides try to avoid meeting

00:30:26.440 alone with him.

00:30:27.760 Some take a colleague almost as a shield against a solo blast.

00:30:31.800 The president's admonitions include, God damn it.

00:30:34.280 How the F don't you know this?

00:30:36.020 Don't effing BS me.

00:30:37.500 This is the Megyn Kelly cleaned up version of Joe Biden's language. 0.73

00:30:40.240 I would never say these words, as everyone knows.

00:30:42.520 And get the F out of here, according to both current and former Biden aides who have witnessed

00:30:48.380 and been on the receiving end of such outbursts, the private eruptions paint a more complicated

00:30:54.780 picture of Biden than his carefully cultivated image as a kindly uncle.

00:31:00.820 Well, not for most of us.

00:31:02.200 They go on to say, Dave, no one is safe and give specific examples about what he does, including

00:31:09.040 try to bully young staff, or he just keeps trying to exhaust their knowledge until he

00:31:14.560 stumps the chump to make them squirm and feel uncomfortable. 1.00

00:31:18.760 I could go on.

00:31:19.820 But this it's an interesting look at, you know, Uncle Joe.

00:31:23.900 Yeah, I mean, look, that's been a very carefully curated image for Joe Biden.

00:31:28.580 We know that this is the guy who would very intentionally swim naked in front of female,

00:31:33.360 you know, social security or social security on secret service agents.

00:31:39.020 We we have some knowledge of his temper from some of the things that we've seen on the

00:31:46.480 laptop and other places.

00:31:47.840 But generally speaking, I do sometimes get the sense that we go a little overboard with

00:31:53.280 the with the Joe Biden's lost it.

00:31:55.600 He doesn't know what he's doing.

00:31:56.800 I wonder sometimes if that's all you remember, the mobster who would walk around in a bath

00:32:04.080 robe and pretend like he didn't know where he was.

00:32:06.380 Wasn't it John Gotti?

00:32:07.960 No, it wasn't John Gotti.

00:32:09.680 It wasn't John Gotti.

00:32:10.320 I can't can't believe I can't remember.

00:32:12.800 I'll come up.

00:32:13.740 I can't remember his last name.

00:32:16.500 But yeah, I mean, look, Biden knows about the sketchy things that that Hunter's done.

00:32:22.680 We all know that.

00:32:23.880 But there is a different Joe Biden than the one that we see on TV.

00:32:27.860 And I think that the American people are starting to see it.

00:32:30.880 Now, what's curious about the fact that we're starting to see this from more liberal or

00:32:36.380 mainstream outlets is the possibility that he's being thrown under the bus a little bit,

00:32:42.780 that there are real concerns that he's going to be a problem in the general election.

00:32:47.360 And maybe now is the time that he needs to get a little bit kneecapped to get somebody

00:32:53.360 like a Gavin Newsom sniffing around the race.

00:32:57.020 The he is having troubles on that front, Stu.

00:33:00.360 I mean, he's over there meeting with King Charles today in the UK.

00:33:03.300 And take a look at this video where King Charles is like having trouble getting the president

00:33:07.680 of the United States to move where they are together.

00:33:10.600 King Charles is there.

00:33:11.500 He's like, over here or here, sir, here.

00:33:15.820 This way.

00:33:17.680 Come on.

00:33:18.860 It's not time to chit chat with the guard.

00:33:20.720 Here we go.

00:33:21.820 That's it.

00:33:22.980 You got it.

00:33:25.620 And Biden's gate is so unsteady.

00:33:29.960 I mean, he's really telling us he's going to do six more years of this, Stu.

00:33:33.940 And you take one look at him and you think, I got questions.

00:33:38.760 I have many, many questions.

00:33:40.320 And it's funny because you the way that Trump was sold to everyone informed why Biden was

00:33:47.700 the nominee and why he became president.

00:33:50.540 We were told that this was a return to normalcy and everything about this has been a lie.

00:33:55.820 It's not a return to normalcy.

00:33:57.480 It has been crazier and crazier and more erratic than anything we've ever seen before.

00:34:02.380 We were told this is a guy of the utmost competence who had who was going to be to make every

00:34:08.340 move the right way and foreign affairs, for example.

00:34:11.900 And we see Afghanistan, what's gone on with Ukraine and so many other things.

00:34:16.340 We were told this guy was the ultimate family man.

00:34:18.980 Right.

00:34:19.320 And here's a guy who won't even acknowledge his seventh grandchild, won't even acknowledge

00:34:23.040 this poor little four year old girl exists. 0.99

00:34:25.320 She had no input into what Hunter Biden's activities were.

00:34:30.160 You know, this is this is a we were told this guy was a good guy.

00:34:33.960 And I think that's kind of fundamentally where many people in the middle of the 2020 election

00:34:38.900 that didn't have partisan ideology fell.

00:34:41.060 They saw Donald Trump.

00:34:42.080 They didn't like the things that he said or they believe some of the hype on some of the

00:34:45.120 allegations against him or whatever it was.

00:34:47.040 They didn't like him and they said, you know what, I'll go with this normal family man who

00:34:52.280 will at least be competent and won't be yelling at people and he won't be tweeting so much.

00:34:56.900 Well, I mean, you've cut the tweets down by a significant percentage, and I don't know

00:35:00.740 that that was worth it because everything else you were promised with Joe Biden, you've

00:35:05.000 received the opposite.

00:35:05.940 And I just, you know, the the left wants this to be a Trump Biden contest because they just

00:35:13.160 hope people will remember that feeling.

00:35:14.940 They didn't like Donald Trump.

00:35:15.980 Maybe when he's on TV again, they'll all remember they don't like him and instead will

00:35:20.360 ignore what Joe Biden has done.

00:35:23.300 And his performance has been like the past few years.

00:35:25.840 If this election is about Joe Biden, I just don't know how he could win it.

00:35:29.740 It's crazy because he's he's 80 years old now.

00:35:32.340 Dave, Trump is 77.

00:35:34.860 Look at Trump in Iowa going into the Dairy Queen.

00:35:39.780 I mean, completely slaying, as my 12 year old daughter would say, slay queen, slay the

00:35:45.140 day, slaying the crowd.

00:35:47.300 Look at the difference of three years and just the vibrance of each man.

00:35:51.400 Watch.

00:35:52.960 Everybody wants a blizzard.

00:35:55.700 What the hell is a blizzard?

00:35:58.060 Take care of some people, OK?

00:36:01.660 Take care of them for me.

00:36:03.380 I will do the blizzard thing.

00:36:05.160 All right.

00:36:06.360 Just so funny.

00:36:07.180 And then he hands out the blizzards.

00:36:08.440 And then let's let's not forget what happened when he went in front of the UFC to watch a

00:36:13.400 match the other day.

00:36:14.140 Watch this.

00:36:14.560 Look at that.

00:36:33.120 Look at that.

00:36:33.560 He's walking out to Kid Rock's American Badass while Joe Biden's like, King Charles, steady

00:36:37.780 me, old chap.

00:36:38.920 Where do I look?

00:36:39.960 What should I do?

00:36:43.240 Look, I mean.

00:36:46.540 Trump is I know these guys from New York.

00:36:49.680 I mean, Trump is just one of these guys.

00:36:51.100 He likes to party.

00:36:52.380 He likes to be the center of attention.

00:36:54.040 He always has.

00:36:54.840 You can go back to the 80s.

00:36:56.020 You can go back to Studio 54.

00:36:58.480 This is who Trump is.

00:36:59.700 He's clearly a much more spry 77 than Joe Biden is, you know, at 80.

00:37:08.680 So Democrats keep saying that that's the contrast that they want, that they think Biden's better

00:37:16.200 off, I guess, because he already won in 2020.

00:37:18.780 But I think they should be a little careful what they wish for as far as that goes.

00:37:23.380 And I do think it's worth pointing out because I've been having a hard time trying to figure

00:37:27.580 out why more Democrats aren't saying maybe we do need a primary.

00:37:32.600 I think it's important to remember that Joe Biden is in many ways the third term of Barack

00:37:37.640 Obama.

00:37:38.620 And those are the people he has around him.

00:37:40.980 Those are the people who run his White House.

00:37:43.180 And so that that may be the answer that the old Obama team that has been in control of

00:37:48.760 the Democrat Party for, what, 16 years now, that they're not ready to to hand over control

00:37:55.140 to a Gavin Newsom.

00:37:56.440 And I'm starting to wonder if that's part of the dynamic that that's keeping everybody

00:38:00.260 behind Joe Biden, because, I mean, yeah, I mean, he looks ridiculous.

00:38:04.700 Right.

00:38:05.160 He truly looks feeble.

00:38:07.760 Stu, you look at that video with Kim Charles.

00:38:09.600 He looks feeble.

00:38:10.720 And of course, we could we could spend an hour just butting the soundbites together and

00:38:14.600 the videos together to show similar instances.

00:38:17.360 And Trump is robust.

00:38:19.660 And Ron DeSantis is in his mid 40s.

00:38:21.820 I mean, forget Trump.

00:38:24.240 I mean, DeSantis is a young, fit, you know, life ahead of a man who's got basically toddlers

00:38:30.040 in the governor's mansion down in Florida.

00:38:32.180 So this is the this is quite the pickle for the Democrats because they know it.

00:38:36.260 And maybe maybe Dave's right.

00:38:37.860 Maybe the Axios piece and some of the other questions that are starting to percolate are

00:38:43.580 the reasons behind it.

00:38:44.780 I mean, he went on Biden, went on CNN with Fareed Zakaria over the weekend.

00:38:49.600 They said the interview was foreign policy based.

00:38:51.940 Nothing about Hunter.

00:38:53.280 I mean, hello.

00:38:54.140 You could 100 percent backdoor a question on Hunter Biden's China corruption, Ukraine

00:38:59.600 corruption, the allegations against the pair of Bidens.

00:39:02.160 If you will have to be foreign policy based, you could for read.

00:39:06.380 It wouldn't be that hard to stick to the term that sometimes they say to you he's going on

00:39:10.140 a foreign policy trip.

00:39:11.260 You know, you will give you an interview about that trip, but you can always backdoor the

00:39:15.600 most relevant news.

00:39:17.120 He chose to backdoor a question on age.

00:39:19.760 OK, cool.

00:39:20.840 Listen to, though, how fawning it was, Stu.

00:39:24.920 And you tell me whether the left is ready to get rid of this guy.

00:39:27.640 Watch.

00:39:27.860 Finally, Mr. President, you've often said when people ask you about your age, just watch

00:39:35.960 me.

00:39:36.940 And I think a lot of people do watch you and are impressed and they think you've been

00:39:41.100 a great president.

00:39:43.080 You've brought the economy back.

00:39:45.900 You've restored relations with the world.

00:39:47.980 But many of these people do say, and these are ardent supporters of yours, the next thing

00:39:55.260 he should do is step aside and let another generation of Democrats take the baton. 0.58

00:40:02.060 Why are they wrong?

00:40:04.520 Well, let me just not write it wrong.

00:40:06.880 It's a look.

00:40:09.780 Use the phrase again.

00:40:10.980 I think we're at an inflection point.

00:40:13.200 I think the world is changing.

00:40:14.680 And I think there is one thing that comes with age, if you've been honest about it your

00:40:20.540 whole life, and that is some wisdom.

00:40:22.840 I think we have enormous opportunities.

00:40:25.200 And I think I just want to finish the job.

00:40:29.000 And I think we can do that in the next six years.

00:40:32.140 Mr. President, it's been an honor.

00:40:33.940 Thank you.

00:40:34.560 Thank you.

00:40:36.220 Oh, my God.

00:40:38.780 This is journalism.

00:40:39.660 This is journalism today.

00:40:41.280 It's been an honor to talk to you about how incredibly virile you are in your 80s, Mr.

00:40:47.900 President.

00:40:48.700 It's just it's embarrassing.

00:40:51.020 It's not even just Donald Trump, because I mean, Donald Trump and Joe Biden don't even

00:40:55.460 seem like they're in the same generation.

00:40:57.260 They seem like, you know, like Joe Biden could be Donald Trump's dad, the way they act.

00:41:02.040 You see this from people all the time.

00:41:03.160 We had Alan Dershowitz on the air the other day, and, you know, he went through this whole

00:41:06.320 thing about the Constitution and went on and on and on.

00:41:08.920 And then we get off the air and you look up his age.

00:41:10.400 He's 84.

00:41:11.680 He seems like he's much more spry and aware than anything that our president has right

00:41:18.020 now.

00:41:18.540 And it's just sad.

00:41:20.060 It's sad to watch it.

00:41:21.300 And I do think that's going to be a factor.

00:41:23.000 I do think people can't help but see it.

00:41:25.840 That's the thing.

00:41:26.460 When you in politics, you can talk about policies.

00:41:29.700 You can talk about all these distinctions.

00:41:31.360 But there are certain things that people can't help themselves but see.

00:41:36.160 And when they watch Joe Biden, they see this feeble man who cannot do this job.

00:41:41.820 They know there have been lots of problems in the country.

00:41:44.600 They might not like Donald Trump.

00:41:45.940 They might not like other things that are coming from the right.

00:41:48.360 But they can't stop themselves from seeing the obvious.

00:41:51.500 And it really is obvious, especially when you see him next to Donald Trump.

00:41:54.780 You talk about that video.

00:41:55.800 So I will say this.

00:41:57.920 I would love to be a billionaire one day.

00:41:59.380 I think that would be a wonderful life.

00:42:00.700 Donald Trump's done a lot of great things.

00:42:02.200 But if being a billionaire means I have to go my whole life without knowing what a blizzard

00:42:05.700 is, I want no part of it.

00:42:07.660 He knew.

00:42:08.240 Blizzards are delicious.

00:42:09.900 And they're an American icon.

00:42:12.100 I think he was joking.

00:42:12.820 I don't know what a blizzard is.

00:42:13.800 I could be wrong.

00:42:14.440 I'm not a billionaire.

00:42:15.860 You don't know what a blizzard is?

00:42:17.080 It's the most delicious ice cream.

00:42:18.420 Dave, we got to go out, man.

00:42:19.480 We'll get some cigarettes.

00:42:20.400 You can teach me how to smoke.

00:42:21.340 I'll teach you some blizzards.

00:42:22.580 Sold.

00:42:24.220 He definitely.

00:42:24.940 I think he knew.

00:42:26.580 I love how Fareed Zakaria says to President Biden, you've restored relations with the world.

00:42:34.200 Has he really the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal where now we have women getting tortured,

00:42:39.900 the war in Ukraine, the threatened war in China?

00:42:44.440 Maybe he means this, Dave Marcus.

00:42:47.160 We send our Treasury secretary over there and she decides to break protocol repeatedly by bowing over 1.00

00:42:54.760 and over to the Chinese, not even the leader like the others in command.

00:42:59.220 Look at this.

00:42:59.820 Look at this over, over and over and over.

00:43:01.820 Look at her.

00:43:02.320 He's not bowing.

00:43:03.500 He's totally erect, completely standing up.

00:43:06.860 A man of power.

00:43:08.180 She's on our on our behalf bending over. 1.00

00:43:11.540 Yeah, she's she's she's like one of those perpetual motion machines where the duck keeps like ridiculous. 1.00

00:43:19.720 There was something that I learned at a conference at the Army War College back in 2018 about Donald Trump.

00:43:26.100 Speaking in terms of like our relationships with the world.

00:43:28.840 And there was an ambassador who spoke who had worked both under an ambassador, but a diplomat who had worked under both Obama and Trump.

00:43:38.620 And the diplomat was asked the question, does it ever happen where Trump tweets some crazy thing that seems like it's at odds with American policy?

00:43:47.380 And the embassy phone rings off the hook and everybody's like, what happened?

00:43:51.540 Is this?

00:43:52.260 And she said, yes, she said that that that is a thing that sometimes happen.

00:43:56.480 But she went on to say that sometimes in diplomacy, that can be good because diplomats get in these ruts where they just go in circles and circles and circles.

00:44:06.900 And our foreign adversaries and allies never were quite sure what Donald Trump was going to do or wasn't going to do.

00:44:15.240 And I think that we know exactly what Joe Biden's going to do.

00:44:19.140 He's going to give more money and more weapons to Ukraine.

00:44:21.400 He's you know, he's going to pull out of Afghanistan exactly how he pulled out about Afghanistan.

00:44:26.540 So, yeah, I think he's done enormous.

00:44:29.540 I think Biden's done enormous damage to our standing in the world because there's no originality in his foreign policy and there's no strength in it.

00:44:37.140 Just to pick up on the earlier threads to about fitness among the candidates, you've got RFK still saber rattling and saying, debate me, let's have a debate.

00:44:48.000 You got well-known supporters of his like Jack from Twitter who founded Twitter saying, yeah, debate him.

00:44:56.120 We want to see it, like make him fight for it and look at the contrast.

00:44:59.820 I know RFK Jr. got criticized by his haters for this video, but he was obviously trying to show the distinction between him him at age 69 and our current president at age 80.

00:45:11.160 There is zero chance President Biden could do one of these pushups.

00:45:15.560 This man is fit.

00:45:17.720 He is a good looking guy.

00:45:19.060 He's very charming.

00:45:20.020 He's extremely smart and he has spent his life, his life trying to protect children from toxic environmental pollutants.

00:45:30.840 That's how he that's how he's made whatever money he has.

00:45:33.660 Not to mention he comes from a family considered Democratic royalty.

00:45:36.560 But the contrast could not be more clear.

00:45:39.360 The contrast is incredibly clear.

00:45:41.940 And, you know, it's funny.

00:45:44.060 I obviously this there's no win for Joe Biden to go in and debate RFK.

00:45:50.160 Obviously, he does have a big lead and he wants to stay away from anything that's risky.

00:45:54.000 But he also knows that, you know, look, the difference between RFK and Joe Biden in one one big if you want to make a broad generalization is that RFK Jr.

00:46:03.420 is authentic.

00:46:04.520 He might not be right on everything.

00:46:05.860 He does believe stuff like I don't believe what he believes on global warming at all.

00:46:09.560 I think he's off the reservation on that stuff, but he really, truly believes it and he's not playing games.

00:46:17.480 He has an authentic belief.

00:46:19.660 And that authenticity, I think, connects to a lot of voters across the spectrum.

00:46:23.440 You see it a lot in the middle.

00:46:24.640 You see it at some degree on the right.

00:46:26.640 And if you look at RFK Jr.'s policy prescriptions, a lot of them look like traditional Democratic positions, right?

00:46:32.640 Like environmental justice, anti-war, right?

00:46:36.200 But even the vaccine stuff, which, you know, for a very long time was not it was not a right wing position.

00:46:41.700 It was kind of across the board.

00:46:43.300 You saw a lot of people like Jenny McCarthy and, you know, you know, lots of left wing Jim Carrey talking about this stuff all the time.

00:46:49.920 It was a lot of Hollywood celebrities talked about that.

00:46:52.880 And those people still exist in the Democratic Party.

00:46:55.400 They're just looking at they're looking at the their candidate and saying, wait, we're supposed to want the war in Ukraine now.

00:47:01.480 Like, wait, all of a sudden, we're we're all of a sudden for all these foreign conflicts.

00:47:06.320 I don't know.

00:47:07.160 Now we want now we're going to force everyone to do all these things that that were that are the opposite of what we believed all this time.

00:47:13.880 You know, the the protecting the border is something that RFK Jr. has talked about.

00:47:17.980 And that has that was the traditional Democratic position 20 or 30 years ago.

00:47:23.240 We can't let low cost workers come across the borders and hurt our union jobs.

00:47:27.860 Well, that's still where RFK Jr. is.

00:47:30.060 He hasn't abandoned those positions.

00:47:31.600 He's been there the whole time.

00:47:33.000 And he truly believes it where you look at Joe Biden from day to day.

00:47:37.560 If he believes anything, it's hard to tell what it is other than enriching his own family.

00:47:42.640 Now he sounds like Nicole Hannah Jones when it comes to fighting crime.

00:47:46.880 Meanwhile, he was the one who sponsored the crime bill.

00:47:49.780 Yeah, no, it's ridiculous.

00:47:50.840 And and RFK Jr.

00:47:52.560 I mean, you can go back and look at his positions, but I agree with you.

00:47:55.500 He's in another way, very skeptical of the security state, which used to be a Democratic position.

00:48:01.420 No longer.

00:48:05.740 The attacks on RFK Jr.

00:48:08.540 That he's a conspiracy theorist ramp up dramatically by the day.

00:48:13.600 And he sat with David Remnick of The New Yorker who tried to get around really getting into what RFK Jr.

00:48:22.040 has said about vaccines in a clever, though totally dishonest way, because it's a lot of work to take him on vaccines because he spent his life researching them,

00:48:33.480 litigating them and has a wealth of knowledge that no reporter is ever going to have.

00:48:38.540 Trust me, David Remnick.

00:48:40.320 Some of us spent weeks preparing for our interview with RFK Jr.

00:48:44.540 so that we could challenge him.

00:48:46.240 That's called your job.

00:48:48.340 But here is how The New Yorker chose to handle it.

00:48:51.440 Listen to this.

00:48:51.920 I'll be very honest with you.

00:48:54.500 I don't want to engage you in the deep detail on the question of vaccinations and your belief stated in the past that vaccines are responsible for autism to some degree.

00:49:07.660 Do you not have any second thoughts about this?

00:49:10.560 I've never shifted on it.

00:49:11.980 I want good testing for the vaccines and I want good science.

00:49:15.860 You know, you say that scientists don't believe that.

00:49:18.280 Well, you know, the scientists at one point all believe that the COVID vaccine prevented transmission.

00:49:25.820 And when I said, no, they don't prevent transmission because I read the monkey studies in May of 2020.

00:49:33.100 And I said, these vaccines should be dead in the water.

00:49:35.760 They won't prevent transmission.

00:49:37.120 And I was deplatformed.

00:49:39.820 He was.

00:49:40.800 That's true.

00:49:41.460 How lazy.

00:49:43.480 And I will say David starts it with I have a child who's got autism.

00:49:47.840 I mean, honestly, most of us know somebody who's like in their immediate family who's got a child with autism.

00:49:52.820 This is such a widespread problem for families now.

00:49:55.780 It doesn't.

00:49:56.260 He's not unique with all due respect to him and his child.

00:49:59.620 It doesn't give him a particular insight on what causes autism.

00:50:03.540 And RFK Jr. has stated his belief on the relationship, the pot.

00:50:07.460 I mean, he basically thinks it's an it's a ubiquitous problem.

00:50:10.880 It's like the pollutants are everywhere.

00:50:13.700 The vaccines for a long time had mercury.

00:50:15.920 Now they have aluminum.

00:50:17.040 The kids are swimming in a toxic stew in today in modern day America in a way they weren't when we were all kids.

00:50:22.360 That's what he says.

00:50:23.480 But Remnick is too lazy to go there.

00:50:25.320 He's got to play the card about his own child.

00:50:27.880 So, you know, I've got a horse in this race and you're not worth debating on it because, you know, your your views are just downright dangerous.

00:50:34.360 So.

00:50:34.440 Yeah.

00:50:36.260 I mean, why bother for, you know, getting ready for an interview when it's much easier to do that thing?

00:50:41.380 Because everyone in the media, of course, will cheer it on when you say, well, I'm not going to engage you on this.

00:50:46.500 This, of course, we saw this with the Joe Rogan debate story from a couple of weeks ago.

00:50:50.740 You actually get the cheering and adulation from the media for avoiding these types of conversations.

00:50:57.540 And look, I think when it comes down to it, people get really passionate about this issue on both sides.

00:51:02.560 I think one of the big problems we found in this country recently, this is a new discovery that I thought was kind of the foundation of the country that we avoided this type of problem.

00:51:12.660 If you have a situation like, for example, the vaccine and you tell people, hey, here's the information that we have.

00:51:19.000 Here's what it looks like.

00:51:20.680 You can look at it yourself and you can make your own determination of whether you would like to use it or not.

00:51:25.520 That is a really American approach to something like this, where you say, hey, look, we're going to have different.

00:51:30.660 Some people are going to say, I think this is nuts.

00:51:33.260 It's not been tested long enough.

00:51:34.500 I want to see the long term ramifications.

00:51:36.500 Other people are going to say, look, I've got a health problem and I'm really worried about COVID and I'm going to take it.

00:51:41.240 If you put people in that position, everyone can live together.

00:51:44.660 You can have a country that is civilized and not attacking each other and going nuts all the time and trying to ban their opponents.

00:51:50.760 When you start forcing people to take it, when you ban their speech, when you fire them from their jobs,

00:51:56.760 when you remove their livelihoods by enforcing the choice onto them, that is where we get into a problem.

00:52:04.900 And honestly, I thought that was the real basic agreement we all had together in this country.

00:52:09.440 I thought it was one of the reasons why we thrived as a nation, letting people make their own decisions about what they want to do with their own lives with very limited guardrails.

00:52:17.700 We've gone away from that.

00:52:19.240 RFK Jr. has been a big victim of this over the past couple of years, but he's not the only one.

00:52:23.280 We see it across speech. We see it all over the place. This is the type of thing that if we reverse this and go back to a situation where we prioritize personal liberty over the government making these decisions for you, everybody is better off.

00:52:36.720 It's such a lazy way to have an argument or challenge a knowledgeable guest, Dave, right?

00:52:41.820 Like you're a reporter. You understand. If you want to go there with RFK Jr. on vaccines, go there.

00:52:46.320 But do your homework first. Don't just say, I'm above you. You're a nutcase. You're dangerous.

00:52:53.540 So I'm just going to point out to my audience how effed up you are and then get you to briefly comment and we'll move on.

00:52:59.980 That that is intellectual laziness.

00:53:02.420 Oh, it's worse than laziness because the purpose of this is to delegitimize not just RFK Jr. on the vaccine question, but RFK Jr. across the board.

00:53:15.980 RFK Jr. will say things that almost any other Democrat won't say, right?

00:53:21.320 Stu pointed out his criticism of the war in Ukraine.

00:53:25.560 Another one is RFK came out and said biological men shouldn't be in women's sports.

00:53:31.580 Find me another Democrat. Find me any elected official in the Democrat Party who believes this thing that the vast majority of Americans believe.

00:53:41.820 The vast majority of Americans look at that basic unfairness and they say, well, obviously, Leah Thomas shouldn't be in the swimming pool with these women. 1.00

00:53:51.480 RFK is very dangerous because he'll say so.

00:53:54.080 And when you have that kind of a danger, the way that the progressive left tries to take care of it is by saying, well, look at how dangerous this person is.

00:54:03.880 If you even listen to this person or engage with this person, then you're part of the problem.

00:54:09.440 So you have to not hear what they're saying at all.

00:54:11.600 Unfortunately, at the moment for them, I think RFK Jr.'s messages are starting to penetrate a little bit.

00:54:18.640 And these are issues that they're going to have to try to honestly deal with and not just deflect in this rather shameful way.

00:54:25.180 It's super fun to watch him out there and, you know, doing an intellectual battle because he's got the goods like it's I've been on the other side of him trying to press, trying to make sure his arguments were sound.

00:54:37.200 He has got the goods.

00:54:38.720 And by the way, he talks openly about how he vaccinated all of his children.

00:54:43.160 It's not like he he knows that the vaccines don't directly cause autism.

00:54:47.220 He vaccinated all of his children and they don't have autism.

00:54:50.320 He's not saying that he's he's offering it as something that we should be looking at, that the combination of toxins in our environment that we give to kids at young ages could be potentially problematic for them.

00:55:02.380 Health wise, autism, etc. And so it's a much more nuanced message than the media would have us believe.

00:55:09.880 OK, I've got to ask you, Dave, about Moms for Liberty, because it's yet another example of the dishonest media trying to. 1.00

00:55:18.520 Ruin, trying to ruin someone they perceive as as an adversary and an effective one.

00:55:24.360 It's similar to what they did to we're doing to Casey DeSantis, what they're doing to RFK Jr.

00:55:27.800 I love Moms for Liberty. It was founded by two moms down in Orlando, Tiffany Justice.

00:55:33.740 She invited me to go to I think it was either their first or their second ever conference.

00:55:37.880 And I went because I believed in their mission, even though they were just getting started.

00:55:41.000 And I continue to believe in their mission. Now they're huge.

00:55:44.020 And you've got all sorts of hit pieces on them, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, calling them an extremist group.

00:55:51.380 Media Matters for America has been all over them, attacking her for serving almond milk at the convention. 0.94

00:55:58.520 Tiffany tweeted out, I'm lactose intolerant. Is does that make me a lib?

00:56:02.240 OK, that's fine. But what do you make of what happened down there in the media reaction to it?

00:56:07.800 It was in Philadelphia. The media, the media matters thing was was really remarkable because they sent along with a couple other outlets did this too.

00:56:14.840 But they sent a reporter undercover when I went and covered it with a media credential and sort of played by the rules.

00:56:20.840 Media Matters says, you know, we'll send an undercover agent.

00:56:24.020 We'll find the dark underbelly of this white supremacist organ.

00:56:27.540 And they found none of it. I mean, they found nothing.

00:56:29.580 And that's why the author spent 2000 words writing about the food.

00:56:34.080 Literally. One of the most telling aspects of covering this was when I went out into the protest.

00:56:40.020 And the hardcore protesters you can't talk to. They don't want a conversation.

00:56:43.560 But I did find this one older guy, maybe mid to late 60s.

00:56:46.480 I put this in my column. I said to him, it's holding the sign.

00:56:49.040 It says, moms for liberty are fascists. 1.00

00:56:50.680 And I said, OK, like, yeah, introduce myself. I'm here with.

00:56:54.000 Why do you think they're fascists? And he looked at me and he said, you should really ask my wife, who's over with the main body, because she's a librarian.

00:57:02.680 And I said, well, OK, but like you're calling these people fascists.

00:57:09.360 Shouldn't you know why? And he said, again, you really need to ask my wife.

00:57:13.140 And, you know, that's what they're up against.

00:57:16.060 And, you know, I asked some of the moms, I said, does it hurt when these people in person, not on Twitter, these people are shouting at you, calling you a Nazi and a white supremacist?

00:57:26.460 And most of them said, no, you know, it's it's it's water off a duck's back.

00:57:30.780 Like, you know, who cares what they say?

00:57:32.360 But some of them, I think, were more honest with me and said, yeah, it sucks when someone yells in your face that you're a Nazi.

00:57:38.680 It hurts emotionally. And it really speaks to a sickness in our society that I think is mostly on the left and something that we really need to knock off.

00:57:48.880 They they'll get used to it. I feel like the ones who started Moms for Liberty are already used to it.

00:57:52.960 The ones who are feeling hurt are going to get over it fast because it happens every day when you take the, you know, the wrong side of these issues.

00:57:59.440 Cannot let you go without talking about the new Miss Netherland.

00:58:02.120 And the Miss Netherlands is Ricky Valerie Collet crowned the winner of Miss Nederland 2023 on Saturday.

00:58:12.500 Yay. Yay. Go, Ricky. Oh, wait, wait.

00:58:16.620 I'll give you one look at Ricky and the first runner up.

00:58:20.660 OK, one look at Ricky and the first runner up.

00:58:24.820 We have the full screen picture.

00:58:28.240 Stand by.

00:58:29.120 There we go.

00:58:32.840 Right now, Ricky's here on the left, gentlemen.

00:58:36.720 The first runner up is on.

00:58:38.480 We knew we knew which one it was, Megan.

00:58:42.040 You didn't have to.

00:58:43.120 You didn't take a guess as to why this person on the left beat this amazingly beautiful person on the right in the beauty pageant. 1.00

00:58:52.200 Any thoughts? Any guesses?

00:58:54.900 Gee, I don't know.

00:58:56.040 What could it possibly be?

00:58:57.740 Yeah. Could it possibly be that it's not there was there was not a fair competition here because one was a man and one was a woman?

00:59:06.440 That used to work in our favor competition. 0.86

00:59:09.360 Maybe it was the talent competition was like basketball and she dominated. 1.00

00:59:13.460 Maybe that's I don't know.

00:59:15.340 Was there a power lifting segment of this particular?

00:59:17.660 Feeds of strength, right?

00:59:19.020 That would give you an advantage.

00:59:21.660 It's like there isn't a woman's space that that people like Ricky don't want to take over.

00:59:30.080 That that would have been a nice spot for an actual woman to to win in, to compete in, to potentially advance in. 1.00

00:59:37.060 You could win Miss Universe opens up all sorts of opportunity.

00:59:39.940 And now you have men coming in saying, I want it. 0.99

00:59:45.320 I want it for me.

00:59:46.380 And as my friends Carrie and Brit would say, it's a no.

00:59:49.480 It's a no.

00:59:50.420 It's a hard no.

00:59:51.420 Hard no. 1.00

00:59:52.760 Former beauty pageants themselves.

00:59:54.660 Is this the future of women's beauty pageants? 1.00

00:59:57.700 Dave Marcus.

00:59:58.260 Yeah, I mean, the immediate future.

01:00:02.520 Yeah.

01:00:02.840 I mean, of course it is.

01:00:04.320 Are we going to break out of this spell at some point in the more distant future?

01:00:09.240 I sure hope so.

01:00:10.500 But yeah, I mean, for now, you're going to continue to see this.

01:00:14.980 It's crazy.

01:00:16.300 I don't know.

01:00:17.520 I it's an obvious affirmative action case.

01:00:21.420 I mean, there's zero chance that Ricky won because Ricky was the most beautiful person at the pageant.

01:00:27.280 Hello, I just proved it.

01:00:29.220 And it's a beauty contest.

01:00:30.460 It is a pure beauty contest.

01:00:33.020 This is absolutely outrageous.

01:00:34.800 He shouldn't have been allowed in.

01:00:36.380 And the second the first runner up should be advanced.

01:00:40.880 Here's the perfect comment that Ricky posted about it.

01:00:44.200 I did it.

01:00:46.140 It's unreal.

01:00:47.760 Correct.

01:00:49.720 Well said, Ricky.

01:00:54.580 I got to go, guys.

01:00:56.080 Great to see you.

01:00:57.780 Thank you.

01:00:59.960 We'll do it again soon.

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01:02:38.880 You can see the ocean.

01:02:39.900 You can see some trees.

01:02:40.900 You can see some people.

01:02:42.180 And I'm really liking that.

01:02:43.700 But it's not quite as taxing on me as doing even just one hour of the class.

01:02:48.900 And I have been feeling guilty about not doing the super taxing thing.

01:02:52.920 And instead doing this other thing, which I can go for an hour and 20 minutes to.

01:02:57.020 I can go for longer.

01:02:58.560 And your book relieved me of this burden and just reinforced to me that this is actually a great alternative and maybe even a preferable one.

01:03:07.720 So can you let's let's kick it off there on why am I enjoying this walk so much and why is it better for me potentially than an hour of an exercise class?

01:03:15.940 Well, I think you hit the nail on the head.

01:03:18.840 So much of our world is a world in health and wellness of exclusion, exclusion and adding and not editing or integration.

01:03:27.900 And I think so many of us are busy with our lives, work and family.

01:03:32.800 And, you know, we don't fare so well in fitness.

01:03:35.160 And I think January 13th was National Quitters Day at the gym.

01:03:38.360 So January 13th, we've quit.

01:03:40.100 And our thesis is the big why is because it doesn't bring us joy and we have unrealistic expectations and those practices, protocols or modalities don't actually fit into our life.

01:03:52.720 So you mentioned walking on the beach in the summer.

01:03:56.160 That sounds amazing.

01:03:58.040 Walking is probably the most underrated fitness modality out there, period.

01:04:03.780 Walking in nature, even better.

01:04:05.620 Walking in nature with a friend or family member, interval walking, increasing, decreasing speed has tremendous benefits.

01:04:15.100 And, you know, walking is something if you enjoy, you should do it.

01:04:18.740 There are significant benefits in terms of preventing cognitive decline.

01:04:23.740 There was a great study in 1940s that looked at transportation workers in London and they compared the conductors who were who were moving to the drivers.

01:04:37.480 And guess who had much lower incidence of cardiovascular disease?

01:04:40.700 The conductors who are constantly moving their study after study promoting the benefits of walking specifically in nature.

01:04:46.640 Hmm. And the the nature piece of it can it can extend your lifespan.

01:04:53.260 I mean, it can literally extend extend your lifespan if you can see a tree, if you can see water.

01:04:59.520 You know, it's like back when we were kids, kind of had it all figured out whether we knew it or not.

01:05:03.900 Absolutely. And I think there's study after study that really speaks to the power of nature and what it does for us in terms of all the longevity benefits in terms of our mental health.

01:05:14.120 And we're facing a mental health epidemic right now. So it is vastly underrated.

01:05:18.960 And for so many people, spending time in nature can be a sort of spiritual connection that we're all missing right now.

01:05:24.780 And one of our favorite experts within the field, Dr. Lisa Miller, has some really incredible research that girls who grow up with a high connection to spirituality are 80 percent more protected against depression.

01:05:39.580 And it's not just during childhood. It's throughout their entire lives.

01:05:42.860 And what I love about Dr. Miller's language is she has such a generous definition of spirituality.

01:05:47.760 It's not the, you know, woo-woo stuff that we all might frown our eyes on.

01:05:51.500 It can be organized religion. It can be spending time in nature. It can be volunteering.

01:05:56.220 It's really just this connection to something bigger than ourselves that we are all looking for right now.

01:06:01.380 And what's even better is that the science promotes this idea that it's protective during one's entire lifetime.

01:06:09.600 It's not exclusive to childhood or a certain period of time.

01:06:12.460 So it really makes the case, given the mental health epidemic, to focus on spirituality as something being protective against our mental health and depression.

01:06:20.820 And we're doing exactly the opposite, of course.

01:06:24.120 We're trying to push spirituality, yes, and also religion out of the public square.

01:06:28.580 We discourage it. The country's getting less and less spiritual instead of more and more creating a vacuum that we fill with other unhealthy things, whether it's drinking or radical ideologies.

01:06:38.560 It could be any of these things.

01:06:41.400 Absolutely.

01:06:42.240 And we see some of this, you know, tribalism play out even within the health and wellness space.

01:06:46.520 You know, 10, 20 years ago, I would have thought there would be so much anger within this space.

01:06:50.660 But as people move away from organized religions, they're putting that same fervor.

01:06:54.680 They're putting that same passion towards their health and wellness ideologies, which is why we're not really able to have a civil discourse around simple questions like, what's the right diet for me?

01:07:05.180 And instead of being open to science and open to new ideas, we found that people are extraordinarily inflexible.

01:07:10.780 And the one thing we recommend is that the only thing to be rigid about is being flexible.

01:07:16.520 Right. And I definitely want to talk about food, but let's stay on exercise since I kicked it off there, because you two have your own stories about how you made a reference to it a second ago.

01:07:25.720 I used to approach this issue until injury and and just the realities of that kind of dedication caught up with you.

01:07:34.860 Can you talk a little bit about that?

01:07:36.260 Yeah. So for me specifically, I almost had back surgery and it started my journey and ended up the big part of the story of why I founded my buddy green.

01:07:46.720 And I had an old college basketball injury and I was running another startup that wasn't doing so well.

01:07:53.280 And I flew over 100000 miles domestic in one year.

01:07:55.980 You can't see from the camera or listeners can tell I'm six foot seven.

01:07:59.400 So me in a coach seat is not good for for me or the person in front of me.

01:08:02.660 And it turns out that the basketball injury combined with stress and flying, I had two extruded discs to my lower back, pressing on my static nerve, the classic L4, L5, S1.

01:08:12.000 I couldn't walk.

01:08:12.900 My right leg was like a lightning rod.

01:08:15.300 Excruciating and walking brings me tremendous joy.

01:08:18.420 Went to a back doctor, a surgeon, and he said, you need surgery.

01:08:22.500 No surprise.

01:08:23.600 I have nothing against back surgery, but I believe in lifestyle modification first.

01:08:28.040 And the success rates of back surgery aren't good.

01:08:30.220 So I sought a second opinion.

01:08:31.440 That doctor said the same thing.

01:08:32.680 He said, do you need back surgery?

01:08:33.800 And it was almost like an afterthought.

01:08:34.920 He said, you know what?

01:08:35.420 Maybe some yoga or therapy could help.

01:08:37.240 Colleen and I were dating at the time.

01:08:38.540 She had a yoga practice.

01:08:39.500 So I said, all right, I'll try it.

01:08:42.060 And a little bit of yoga, five to 10 minutes in the morning and evening, I started to feel better.

01:08:46.040 And over the course of six months, I completely healed.

01:08:49.400 And the yoga was a big part of it.

01:08:50.840 It wasn't the only part.

01:08:51.780 I changed my diet.

01:08:52.660 I went from a guy who consumed way too much meat and alcohol, so much so my face is on

01:08:58.380 the wall of the Palm Steakhouse in Midtown Manhattan next to Joe Namath and Adam Sandler.

01:09:02.900 Still ate meat, but not as much.

01:09:04.420 Make sure it's trying it's grass fed.

01:09:06.460 Probably more about the martinis back then.

01:09:08.820 But started to evolve diet, started to look at stress, sleep, the environment, all the

01:09:12.560 toxins, forever chemicals are in the news.

01:09:14.600 Unfortunately, again, with the tap water, it's really unfortunate.

01:09:17.560 Made a lot of changes in my life.

01:09:18.860 Half of our tap water has forever chemicals in it.

01:09:21.180 Keep going.

01:09:21.580 Yeah.

01:09:22.420 Terrible.

01:09:22.940 Half the tap water in America.

01:09:25.600 And it was very clear to me that true well-being was this fundamental, physical, spiritual,

01:09:29.900 emotional, and environmental well-being.

01:09:31.820 They were all connected.

01:09:32.800 One word, mind, body, green.

01:09:34.740 And so that was a big part of my healing journey.

01:09:36.780 And it's evolved to my focus is on longevity today.

01:09:40.760 I'm 48 years old.

01:09:42.540 Men in my family have a terrible track record here.

01:09:44.560 My father died of heart disease at 47.

01:09:46.320 Both grandfathers died early as well.

01:09:50.180 One 49 heart disease, the other 44 cancer.

01:09:53.600 And so we have two little girls, age six and four.

01:09:55.920 I want to be around for a long time.

01:09:57.940 And this is my passion.

01:09:59.800 And what's been so exciting about the science is so much of it points to practices, protocols,

01:10:06.460 and modifications that are low cost or zero cost and require minimal time and effort.

01:10:12.360 And that's exciting because the big objection to our world, the health and wellness world,

01:10:17.620 is I don't have the time.

01:10:18.320 I don't have the resources.

01:10:19.100 Well, there's good news.

01:10:19.920 There's so much you can do if you have minimal time or minimal resources.

01:10:23.940 And it doesn't have to be as complicated as you think it is.

01:10:26.740 You know, you say like, oh, eat keto.

01:10:28.160 It's like, oh, my God, my eyes glaze over.

01:10:30.120 I don't know how to do that.

01:10:30.980 I don't know if I have the time to even find out.

01:10:33.400 So you have practical recommendations along this front.

01:10:36.260 I want to tell you something.

01:10:37.040 You just you just I wanted to tell the audience this and I just haven't had the chance.

01:10:41.440 But my back was really starting to hurt me recently because thanks to my exercise class,

01:10:46.680 it turns out I may have been overdoing it a little.

01:10:49.620 And so I said to Abby, my assistant, I'm like, can you get me in to see this guy?

01:10:54.480 Because my primary care physician gave me a name.

01:10:56.680 Well, it's a long story.

01:10:57.440 But the long story short is it took me about 45 minutes into the visit to realize I was at

01:11:01.380 a chiropractor.

01:11:02.280 I thought I was going to see an orthopedic doctor.

01:11:04.900 I'm like, oh, you're a chiropractor.

01:11:07.820 I'm in a chiropractor's office.

01:11:08.860 OK, great.

01:11:09.780 Anyway.

01:11:11.140 I don't need surgery.

01:11:12.120 I have like a disc that's kind of getting pushed, pushed back, you know, but it's not

01:11:16.160 like out and it could get pushed back in.

01:11:18.740 And he was explaining to me that the devil in back care is this rounded shoulders forward.

01:11:26.340 How so many office people sit every day.

01:11:28.360 Right.

01:11:28.740 And he said, you need to sit, you know, shoulders back.

01:11:32.360 Like, it's basically like, I mean, forgive me, but my son gave me this model.

01:11:36.740 He said he thinks it was sometimes it's almost like you picture lasers coming out of your

01:11:39.600 breasts or your chest.

01:11:41.000 If you're a man like, you know, you're kind of.

01:11:42.980 But it helps shoulders back, lasers out.

01:11:46.980 And he said, if you can walk around like that for 90 percent of your day, your back is going

01:11:52.780 to get better.

01:11:53.760 You're not going to need surgery.

01:11:55.040 I can give you some exercise to do as well.

01:11:56.960 And I said, well, it really hurts the the muscles in my upper back when I do that for

01:12:00.480 too long.

01:12:00.820 And he's like, yep, it's going to hurt for like a month and then it's not going to hurt

01:12:03.640 anymore.

01:12:04.440 And oh, my God, he was right.

01:12:05.960 The upper back no longer hurts when I'm sitting up perfectly with great posture and the lower

01:12:11.380 back is getting better.

01:12:12.700 No surgery, no interventions, just an honest guy who was like, stop rounding your back so

01:12:18.260 much.

01:12:18.500 He even said just final pro tip.

01:12:20.460 I'm like, what about reading in bed?

01:12:22.100 I'm all rounded.

01:12:22.880 He said, my wife, not him.

01:12:25.120 He said, my wife is so vigilant about this.

01:12:27.220 She gets a music stand and she sits on a like a little couch in their bedroom and she reads

01:12:33.040 off the music stand.

01:12:34.200 So determined is she not to have the rounded back, not to mention the quadruple chin we 1.00

01:12:38.100 all get from looking down.

01:12:39.640 I thought these are great tips.

01:12:41.340 I want to share these, but it's right up your alley.

01:12:44.520 I will forever remember the lasers analogy.

01:12:49.000 It works.

01:12:50.140 Who knew?

01:12:51.120 And even like you go down to like tie your shoe, you know, or here at the beach, I've

01:12:56.160 been playing pickle and there, you know, I just go straight down.

01:12:59.780 I look like I look like I've had back surgery, but I go straight down to pick up the

01:13:02.920 ball.

01:13:03.320 Anyway, it's making a big difference.

01:13:04.660 Let's get back to the exercise plan.

01:13:06.720 Go ahead.

01:13:07.200 I think you're making a great point.

01:13:08.740 You're outlining integration.

01:13:10.720 I think we're we're almost brainwashed.

01:13:13.240 The industry has brainwashed into believing we need to add into our existing day to day

01:13:18.740 when the reality is we can integrate these practices into our life.

01:13:24.360 So whether that's taking a walking call, whether that is doing some pushups and sit ups when

01:13:31.360 you've got 10 minutes, it is possible to take these little micro moments, they add up during

01:13:37.560 the day, you don't have to do much, whether it's taking the stairs, we have a personal

01:13:41.940 role, less than five flights, we take the stairs.

01:13:44.360 There's a lot of talk about zone two training, but the cardiovascular benefits, you don't have

01:13:49.100 to go out and do a fancy VO two max test, your audience might be like, what the hell

01:13:52.600 is that?

01:13:53.100 To get an understanding of how to get in zone two, zone two is essentially being able to

01:13:58.060 hold a conversation, but being slightly out of breath.

01:14:00.720 You can do that on the stairs.

01:14:02.120 You can do that with a fast paced walk.

01:14:04.180 The benefits are unbelievable.

01:14:05.620 And you can figure out how to integrate that into your existing day.

01:14:09.960 I will tell you on my fast walk that I like, I'll walk three blocks, and then I'll do like

01:14:15.020 a light jog for three blocks, and then I'll walk three blocks.

01:14:17.700 And at first, I was kind of ashamed to go from the run, not a run, but a jog back into

01:14:24.720 the walk.

01:14:25.240 You know, you don't want people to see you.

01:14:26.440 You feel like you're a quitter.

01:14:27.500 Now I wear it loud and proud.

01:14:28.960 Like, this is my interval training.

01:14:30.820 This makes this whole thing possible for me because I could never go for just a straight

01:14:34.420 jog.

01:14:34.800 I just don't have that, the knees or the back for it.

01:14:37.480 And I'm really enjoying that.

01:14:39.360 So it's anyway, bit by bit, I'm learning some of this stuff.

01:14:42.560 But that's amazing.

01:14:43.680 You should do things that you enjoy.

01:14:46.000 And if running brings you joy, run.

01:14:48.680 The last time I ran was the last basketball game I played in 1998.

01:14:53.080 If you see me running, call the police because I am in trouble.

01:14:56.260 It does not bring me joy.

01:14:57.640 I won't do it.

01:14:59.140 You went too far.

01:14:59.900 I wouldn't say enjoy, but I recognize it's better if I can get a little heart rate going

01:15:03.560 in there.

01:15:04.160 Can we talk about cold therapy?

01:15:05.960 That was another thing that you guys recommend that I find fascinating.

01:15:09.340 This is kind of an easy way.

01:15:11.500 We're doing the easy stuff that, you know, that's what your book is all about.

01:15:14.600 Now, what is cold therapy, Colleen?

01:15:17.140 And how do I, why do I need it?

01:15:18.980 How does it change my life?

01:15:21.100 Yeah.

01:15:21.280 So cold therapy is all the rage right now.

01:15:23.720 And it's one of the hermetic stressors, which so many people are incorporating into their

01:15:28.800 routines.

01:15:29.220 And I think there's two different types of stressors.

01:15:31.280 And one of the reasons why we talked about cold therapy is because anyone can emulate

01:15:36.540 it.

01:15:36.820 You don't need one of the $4,000 cold plunges that you see on the internet, but you can do

01:15:41.280 it with the joy of a cold shower.

01:15:44.340 Cold exposure can also activate brown fat.

01:15:47.020 So there's lots of great science behind it.

01:15:50.820 And people with brown fat had a lower incidence of type 2 diabetes, lower incidence of abnormal

01:15:56.860 cholesterol, and a lower risk of coronary artery disease, hypertension, and congenital

01:16:02.320 heart failure.

01:16:03.380 One of the things we are also super transparent about in this book is that we do not do cold

01:16:09.180 therapy.

01:16:09.920 We acknowledge that there is a ton of amazing science, but it is something that does not

01:16:15.280 bring us joy.

01:16:15.980 I have brain nodes.

01:16:17.300 I get really cold.

01:16:18.420 I will literally start to shrivel and my body will turn purple.

01:16:21.680 So we do a lot of things.

01:16:22.900 But I think at the end of the day, we all have to be adults.

01:16:25.540 We have to take responsibility, be the CEOs of our own health and well-being, and understand

01:16:31.140 what are going to be the needle movers for us on our own journeys.

01:16:35.200 But I like the thing about the shower because I don't want to get into an Arctic pit of water

01:16:42.720 from the snow.

01:16:43.680 But I have heard, and occasionally will do, you know, the hot, hot shower, and just for

01:16:49.300 the last 60 seconds, you turn it cold.

01:16:52.900 And I'm in there like, oh, but you come out feeling like you had a cup of coffee.

01:16:57.500 You feel invigorated.

01:16:59.140 Is that, do you get any benefit from that?

01:17:00.480 Is that enough?

01:17:02.120 You do.

01:17:02.700 And I think our view is everything counts to some degree.

01:17:07.400 And I think with cold, if it's 30 seconds or a minute, you're going to get some benefit.

01:17:11.420 And you do start to have diminishing returns if you try to overdo it.

01:17:15.740 Okay.

01:17:16.400 All right.

01:17:16.620 Well, this is good to know.

01:17:17.840 So I like that.

01:17:18.840 That's a good, you don't have to go to the mountains.

01:17:21.380 You can do it in your shower in the morning.

01:17:24.240 How about that?

01:17:26.040 The other super easy thing, and I've been thinking about it all morning, is breathing

01:17:30.460 through your nose.

01:17:32.740 This is probably one of our favorites.

01:17:35.040 And we started the book with breath, you know, primarily due to I had a pulmonary embolism over

01:17:39.840 10 years ago when I had literally showers of clots in my lungs.

01:17:43.540 And it was the first time in my life that I really thought about one of the most basic

01:17:47.960 things we do, which is breathe.

01:17:50.020 We breathe 17,000 to 30,000 times a day.

01:17:53.620 And more than half of the population is breathing all wrong.

01:17:57.020 If you're not sure if you're breathing wrong, if you snore, it's probably a sign that something's

01:18:01.620 off.

01:18:02.400 So there's about 50 to 80% of adults that exhibit what we call dysfunctional breathing habits,

01:18:09.620 anxiety, allergies, sleep apnea.

01:18:11.920 And, you know, the key you really hit on is breathing through your nose or nostril breathing.

01:18:18.560 There's a ton of health benefits to it in terms of filtering out the bad stuff, increasing

01:18:23.820 CO2 tolerance.

01:18:25.660 As someone who runs high in anxiety, I like it because breathing through your nose activates

01:18:32.180 a parasympathetic or the rest and digest system.

01:18:35.520 So you are instantaneously ushering in a really welcome sense of calm.

01:18:41.000 And we respond to tools that can be used IRL.

01:18:44.940 So not the tools necessarily that you do before work or after work in elaborate morning routines

01:18:49.360 that so many of us just don't have the time for.

01:18:52.180 But what you can actually do when you're in the middle of a stressful meeting, when you're

01:18:55.320 driving and, you know, someone cuts you off is just to instantly start breathing through

01:19:00.420 your nose.

01:19:00.820 You can practice when you're doing the dishes so that you can build your way up to being

01:19:04.800 able to breathe through your nose and nostril breathing at night.

01:19:09.080 And is it it actually does have something to do with all the filter that the air has to

01:19:13.040 go through, like your nose hairs.

01:19:14.760 But even beyond your nose hairs, stuff happens in the back there that will filter the air before

01:19:20.100 it gets to your lungs in a way that's not going to happen if you mouth breathe.

01:19:23.580 Absolutely.

01:19:25.520 It filters up bad stuff like bacteria and viruses.

01:19:29.300 So it's just a good idea across the spectrum of health to mental health.

01:19:33.820 So fascinating.

01:19:35.200 Who knew?

01:19:36.100 And again, we'll get to food.

01:19:37.660 But the other thing that's great, and I mentioned it right off the top of the show with our

01:19:41.260 pal David Marcus, is socialization, socialization.

01:19:47.440 It's crazy how beneficial this is.

01:19:50.240 Jason, you can truly extend your lifespan like it's worse for you to be lonely than it is

01:19:57.700 to be a big boozer, a big smoker or even obese.

01:20:04.080 Yeah, this is such a huge one, given the state of the country we're in right now.

01:20:09.460 Twenty four percent of young adults under the age of 30 suffer high levels of loneliness.

01:20:13.940 One in seven men don't have a single friend.

01:20:16.020 One in 10 women don't have a single friend. 1.00

01:20:17.960 Twenty, you know, and if you think about, OK, so why why does this matter in terms of

01:20:23.440 increasing one's odds, the premature mortality, lacking social connected connection is slightly

01:20:29.180 worse than smoking 15 cigarettes a day.

01:20:31.600 Being lonely is twice as worse as having six drinks a day.

01:20:36.220 That's a forty two drinks a week.

01:20:38.800 Three times as worse as being physically inactive.

01:20:41.180 Four times as worse as being obese.

01:20:43.260 One study researchers even found that those who are socially isolated were 45 percent more

01:20:47.940 likely to get sick with a common cold.

01:20:50.860 And so, look, nutrition and exercise are paramount.

01:20:54.440 We should always be talking about them.

01:20:56.160 But we need to talk more about connection specifically because of the loneliness epidemic and the mental

01:21:00.860 health epidemic.

01:21:01.460 We all need IRL connection.

01:21:04.080 And you know what?

01:21:04.560 There was a 2019 study out of Cigna.

01:21:06.520 This is pre-pandemic that said only half of Americans were having meaningful daily face

01:21:11.720 to face social interactions.

01:21:13.380 God knows what that study, what that looks like in 2023.

01:21:16.660 Scary.

01:21:17.240 There are so many nutrition and fitness influencers in the health and well-being space.

01:21:21.080 And we want to create a resurgence of social connection influencers, inspiring people to

01:21:25.360 get together IRL because not all connection is created equal.

01:21:29.140 So if you are texting someone and thinking, oh, I've got a friend, I've got a network, I've

01:21:33.860 got a community, it literally does not have the same impact on oxytocin, the love hormone,

01:21:40.080 or in terms of decreasing your cortisol levels as it would if you had the tender touch of a

01:21:45.020 friend or a loved one who was nearby and who was able to comfort you when you're in the

01:21:50.200 midst of hard times.

01:21:51.860 And as we look now with such a scary mental health crisis, 60% of high school girls dealing

01:21:58.480 with some sort of depression, we really need to draw upon these tools and to help teach

01:22:05.580 everyone how to better weather the inevitable ups and downs that life entails.

01:22:10.660 You say pick up the phone.

01:22:12.220 It can be phone.

01:22:13.420 Phone's better than text.

01:22:15.840 Yeah.

01:22:16.200 And I think this is an area where men are traditionally way worse than women, myself included.

01:22:20.620 And I think, you know, phone, yes, but this is where texting and social media can be to your

01:22:26.500 advantage.

01:22:27.060 I think, you know, there used to be 20 years ago, the awkward moment of picking up a phone

01:22:30.920 and then someone doesn't recognize your voice.

01:22:33.200 Now it's a simple text.

01:22:34.660 Hey, so-and-so, it's Jason.

01:22:36.700 Been too long.

01:22:37.360 Been thinking about you.

01:22:38.160 Would love to reconnect.

01:22:39.340 Right away, you'll gauge their appetite with their response.

01:22:42.760 And, you know, you're probably going to be pleasantly surprised.

01:22:45.160 And I think that's something that can go a long way.

01:22:47.960 And it's something I'm personally working on.

01:22:50.620 Uh, I've told the audience about my Nana.

01:22:52.500 She lived to 101.

01:22:53.700 She was born in 1915 and she was overweight.

01:22:57.340 She, uh, had never exercised a day in her life.

01:23:00.220 She existed in her last two or three decades on solely on processed food. 1.00

01:23:04.780 I mean, we gave her real food, but she just ate.

01:23:06.780 She just preferred the other stuff.

01:23:08.180 And so why did she live to 101?

01:23:10.000 She was social.

01:23:11.500 She lived on her own all the way through 100. 0.92

01:23:13.760 She, she walked up and down the hall.

01:23:15.900 She chatted with everybody.

01:23:17.080 She was hilarious. 0.53

01:23:18.500 And I'm telling you, I'm convinced that this is why she lived as long as she did.

01:23:23.680 Well, I think you're onto something.

01:23:25.280 And in the book, we talk about the Rosetto study, which we discovered in the process of

01:23:28.840 researching and writing the book.

01:23:30.820 And Rosetto was this small town in rural Pennsylvania in the 1950s.

01:23:34.340 And this is when heart disease arrives in America, but not Rosetto, the rate of heart attacks

01:23:39.460 and people over 65 was half that of the nation, men under 55, no heart attacks.

01:23:44.580 So they said, what's going on in Rosetto?

01:23:46.540 They seem to be immune to heart disease.

01:23:48.100 Well, they were smoking, they were drinking, they were eating lots of pasta and meatballs.

01:23:51.560 This makes no sense.

01:23:52.920 Pretty much any wellness expert you'd ever have on your show would say, do not do these

01:23:56.420 things.

01:23:56.760 And so when they took a deeper look, Rosetto had incredibly strong social connections.

01:24:03.000 Multi-generational living was extraordinarily common.

01:24:06.380 The drinking, the smoking, and the meatballs was in the context of parties, parades, enjoying

01:24:10.680 wine and food with family and friends.

01:24:12.920 They were just so incredibly connected.

01:24:15.100 And guess what?

01:24:15.700 In the 1960s, people started to move away and heart disease arrived and caught up with

01:24:20.640 the national average.

01:24:21.660 Hmm, a sad ending, but we can all change that in our own lives and sort of try to get more

01:24:27.720 communal.

01:24:28.520 All right, let's talk about food.

01:24:30.660 It confuses me.

01:24:32.020 I know you guys have a good point, which is that the science on nutrition is too young to

01:24:37.900 actually stake anything on.

01:24:40.280 Is that why every other week I'm being told to eat a different way by people who I actually

01:24:45.860 like and respect, but then everything's reversed.

01:24:48.320 It's like, it's all red meat.

01:24:49.880 No, don't eat any red meat.

01:24:50.780 It's all plant-based.

01:24:51.820 No, don't eat.

01:24:52.340 They're covered in pesticides.

01:24:53.300 It's all like, I don't know.

01:24:54.340 I don't know what to eat.

01:24:56.940 I don't think you're alone.

01:24:58.400 I think this is a big problem.

01:25:00.700 I think what some of the extremes have in common is that they're avoiding ultra processed

01:25:06.700 foods.

01:25:07.380 And that's probably the reason why they're feeling better.

01:25:10.840 And look, the consequences of eating ultra processed foods are dire.

01:25:15.220 There was a study out of France that showed that a 10% increase in consumption of highly

01:25:18.640 processed foods led to a 14% increased risk of death.

01:25:22.200 Bad news for us is two thirds of calories that our children consume are ultra processed

01:25:27.120 foods.

01:25:28.180 And I think starting, I encourage everyone in the book, get some baseline lab work.

01:25:33.340 I list all my extensive lab work that anyone can reference.

01:25:38.980 And I think that's a good place to start.

01:25:41.060 There are some people who could eat grass-fed meat all day and their lipid panel is fine.

01:25:46.140 There are others who look at meat and their lipid panel goes through the roof.

01:25:48.720 And I just encourage people to get some baseline labs.

01:25:50.880 But, you know, I think just to simplify, it's eating real food and really starting there.

01:25:57.900 And what is real food?

01:25:59.840 I think real food is the perimeter of the grocery store.

01:26:02.620 It's vegetables, it's fruits, it's nuts, it's seeds, it's meat, it's seafood, it's chicken,

01:26:09.060 it's eggs.

01:26:10.320 It is not highly processed.

01:26:13.520 Stuff that can go bad.

01:26:15.780 Correct.

01:26:16.300 Although we are big proponents, and this is where the accessibility piece comes in.

01:26:20.820 Look, when stuff goes bad, that's a risk.

01:26:23.160 If I have a limited budget, I don't want to have to buy arugula and worry it's going to

01:26:28.020 go bad in three days.

01:26:29.440 There's frozen options.

01:26:30.700 We are huge proponents of buying frozen food.

01:26:32.960 You get more for your money and it lasts.

01:26:36.120 And isn't the, doesn't frozen, don't frozen vegetables actually retain more of their nutrients

01:26:41.340 than some of the stuff that gets imported might be sitting out at the grocer?

01:26:47.300 Yeah, I think that's another question.

01:26:49.360 You know, the whole produce area can quickly become an episode of Portlandia in terms of

01:26:56.860 how local it is and where it comes from.

01:26:58.760 The reality is, I think, use your common sense of where you live.

01:27:02.640 If you're getting strawberries in New York in the winter, they're probably coming in from

01:27:06.940 somewhere.

01:27:07.300 And I think that's, you know, at the end of the day, shop for what's meaningful to you

01:27:12.580 and your diet and try to make decisions on seasonality if you're, if you're able to.

01:27:17.580 So what about these fad diets?

01:27:19.520 You know, do you guys have, well, I don't know if we can call them fats because they've 0.99

01:27:22.660 been around for a while now, whether it's paleo or keto.

01:27:25.280 So I could go down the list.

01:27:28.060 How do you feel about those?

01:27:29.900 You know, I think it goes back to that tribalism within the, within the wellness world.

01:27:35.120 And, you know, we have such a complicated relationship with all of these wellness fads,

01:27:39.400 which is why we intentionally didn't call the book, The Joy of Wellness, because it has

01:27:44.320 just become a cacophony of voices that, you know, even people like us who are entrenched

01:27:48.440 in this can't understand what to do.

01:27:50.560 And when we look at the wellness world right now, we see a lot of coastal elites pushing

01:27:54.780 trends.

01:27:55.440 You know, on the one hand, you've got Kardashian wellness, which feels like an extension of

01:27:59.640 the beauty and fashion world.

01:28:00.980 And then on the other hand, you have the biohacking bros in Malibu who are pushing the latest tools

01:28:07.140 and gadgets.

01:28:07.860 And if you have the tool, time, tools and resources to explore, fantastic.

01:28:11.840 Um, but, you know, we also love these wellness modalities because they've had a profound impact

01:28:18.000 on our own lives.

01:28:18.820 I draw drew upon these principles when I was healing from my own pulmonary embolism, but

01:28:23.380 the ones that we continue to go back to are the ones that are time tested, affordable, and

01:28:30.060 don't take a ton of time.

01:28:31.660 And we want to shift the wellness conversation from one of fad diets of fads in general of restriction

01:28:38.940 to literally being one of joy and abundance and integration instead of addition.

01:28:46.540 Now, what we hear from so many people is plant-based, plant-based, plant-based.

01:28:51.060 And I don't even know what that means.

01:28:52.620 My husband sent me an article yesterday that, um, he found interesting.

01:28:56.520 It was on Yahoo.

01:28:57.020 And it was like some guy whose biological age is 20 years younger than his actual age.

01:29:03.380 And all he does is intermittent fasting.

01:29:06.200 He doesn't drink and he only eats plant-based foods.

01:29:11.940 And then it listed like oatmeal.

01:29:15.160 I'm like, is oatmeal plant?

01:29:17.340 I don't understand how to eat plant-based.

01:29:19.540 I don't get it.

01:29:20.360 I thought it was salad.

01:29:21.720 What is plant-based?

01:29:22.780 Well, unfortunately, plant-based, the, the, the term has been hijacked, you know, impossible

01:29:28.500 burgers and beyond meat are technically plant-based, but those are highly processed foods that they're

01:29:33.980 vegan junk food.

01:29:35.100 They are not healthy.

01:29:36.660 If we're talking about, you know, again, eating fresh produce, different story, but unfortunately

01:29:42.360 we are not.

01:29:43.720 And I think with some of the longevity conversation, uh, the biohacking is sort of taking this to

01:29:49.800 a place that does not bring anyone joy.

01:29:51.500 And we're trying to reframe the conversation.

01:29:53.820 I think the, the longevity conversation, if you think about it is extending years, you

01:29:58.700 know, say, let, let, let's live to a hundred and then longevity evolved to health span, which

01:30:03.020 is quality of life, absence of disease.

01:30:05.840 So in a perfect world, you live 99 years with, with no, no disease, you're, you're mobile,

01:30:11.640 you're fit, you're active, you're doing the things you want to do.

01:30:13.660 And then, you know, you rapidly decline overnight.

01:30:15.640 Maybe it's a heart attack.

01:30:17.560 Uh, we'd like joy span, right?

01:30:20.080 We like this idea of bringing back joy.

01:30:22.400 What's the point of living to a hundred?

01:30:24.020 If you're not fun, if your kids don't talk to you, if you're miserable, what's, what's

01:30:28.700 the point?

01:30:29.500 And I think when you, when you start to look at emotional wellbeing, the questions are a

01:30:34.640 lot more difficult.

01:30:35.400 Uh, if you have, if you have to think twice about who am I supposed to call it midnight

01:30:39.960 when, you know, I'm in dire need of help, you're probably gonna have to ask some hard

01:30:44.320 questions that require some work.

01:30:46.140 And ultimately, you know, you may do all the things that are extending your life, but does

01:30:50.020 it bring you happy?

01:30:51.200 If you're going out to a birthday dinner and you're afraid to have cake, we would argue

01:30:54.880 that negates the benefit of not having the cake, have the cake when you're celebrating

01:31:00.620 and in Rosetto style, maybe you don't do it every single day, but you need to enjoy life.

01:31:05.960 You need to bring back joy.

01:31:09.280 Yes.

01:31:09.820 I, I mean, I watch what I eat because I'm just vain and I also want to live a long and

01:31:14.680 healthy life, but we went to France for two weeks and I ate what I wanted.

01:31:19.000 I was, I wasn't going to turn down the croissants over there or the amazing bread with the butter

01:31:23.140 and the delicious sauces.

01:31:25.140 I mean, I had, and the cheese, I had it all and I'm fine.

01:31:28.480 You know, it's like net, net.

01:31:29.540 It's two weeks.

01:31:30.660 If you're living a healthy life in general, you can get away with that.

01:31:34.420 As you, as you should, you know, one in Rome, eat the pizza.

01:31:36.820 One in France, have the cheese.

01:31:38.140 You should do so.

01:31:38.940 I think you would be miserable.

01:31:40.340 And so would your family.

01:31:41.220 If you decided to abstain from all the French goodness, that would not make for a meaningful, 1.00

01:31:47.000 memorable vacation in France.

01:31:50.400 Now, what about, I mean, like, what do you guys eat on a daily basis?

01:31:53.280 Or is this not a good question?

01:31:54.460 Because you're saying it's, it can all be individual and you know, what brings me joy and within

01:31:59.000 reason works.

01:32:01.340 I mean, I think you're onto that one.

01:32:03.320 On one podcast, we did get asked, like, what do you eat?

01:32:06.640 And you hate it, but you know, it's so good for you.

01:32:08.780 So you eat it anyways.

01:32:09.720 And we're like, well, nothing.

01:32:11.260 Because everything that we do eat on a daily basis, like brings us some joy.

01:32:15.560 You know, in general, we're thoughtful about being, um, having enough plant, plant forward

01:32:21.200 meals.

01:32:21.560 So having enough fiber in our diets.

01:32:23.440 And then we're also really thoughtful about protein intake.

01:32:26.140 Yeah.

01:32:26.640 I'm a big fan when we were asked that question about which healthy food we do not enjoy.

01:32:30.440 Colleen said, well, Jason, that's sardines.

01:32:32.160 And I said, I actually really like sardines and sardines are incredibly, uh, nutrient dense.

01:32:36.980 So I think, I think, I think for us, it's trying to eat a lot of fresh food.

01:32:40.880 Uh, protein has become a focus in our, you know, in our quest for, for being healthy as

01:32:47.140 we age.

01:32:47.820 Uh, there was a stat we came across while writing the book, which was really eyeopening.

01:32:52.780 And it's a one in four, uh, people over the age of 65 fall.

01:32:56.900 And if you fall once, you are twice as likely to fall again.

01:32:59.660 And if you fall and break your hip, there's a 30 to 40% chance you'll die within a year.

01:33:04.640 And it's not necessarily from the fall.

01:33:06.960 It's from, you know, complications from surgery, maybe an infection, or maybe it's the depression

01:33:12.400 that ensues after being immobile.

01:33:14.220 And anecdotally, that one we've seen with friends and family members.

01:33:20.140 And so that one hit home where this segues to exercise and nutrition, you know, so what

01:33:25.920 do you want to do as you age?

01:33:27.660 One, you want to, you want to be mobile.

01:33:29.240 You want to be agile.

01:33:30.400 You want to be strong so that, you know, if you're going down the stairs and first of all,

01:33:34.640 you don't fall that you have the mobility, or maybe if you do, you have the strength to

01:33:38.980 grab something and hold on.

01:33:40.640 So you don't fall, or you want the muscle in terms of armor to break the fall.

01:33:45.140 So you don't break that hip.

01:33:47.000 And that's, that's for us is a big change.

01:33:50.300 We're focused a lot more on resistance training as we age.

01:33:53.620 And that means also upping our protein intake to, to make sure we maintain and build lean

01:33:58.920 muscle mass.

01:33:59.640 And it's a protective factor.

01:34:01.020 We are Miami.

01:34:01.820 So, you know, we like, we like going to the gym here, but it's really for longevity.

01:34:06.500 Can I just say one other point on this?

01:34:09.780 I, when I was, when I turned 50, I'm 52 now, my doctor said, you got to go for a bone density

01:34:13.880 test.

01:34:14.300 It was just an x-ray, but they took a look at my bones and I had actual osteoporosis, not

01:34:21.140 just osteoporhea, whatever the thing is that pre, I had some of that too, but in some places

01:34:26.200 my body, actual osteoporosis, I had to get a shot once a month for 12 months, insurance

01:34:30.820 covered it.

01:34:31.360 And then you have to take an oral medication for two years thereafter.

01:34:35.020 It's completely reversed.

01:34:36.400 I no longer have osteoporosis.

01:34:38.400 I would never have known that if I didn't have a great doctor, it's two tiered medicine.

01:34:42.460 We all know that, but I want the listeners to know, get a bone density test, because

01:34:46.520 if you have one of these issues, it is solvable.

01:34:49.900 My endocrinologist said, this is what I love about being an endocrinologist.

01:34:52.580 You can solve everything.

01:34:54.160 And so here I am at 52, much healthier in the bone department than I was at 50, though I'm

01:34:59.600 shorter.

01:35:00.760 Colleen and Jason, thank you so much for writing this book.

01:35:04.200 I want everybody to go out there and buy it.

01:35:05.260 It's called The Joy of Well-Being.

01:35:07.860 Well, well worth your time.

01:35:08.940 All the best to you two.

01:35:10.460 Thank you.

01:35:10.740 Thank you so much.

01:35:12.160 And don't forget to our audience to join us tomorrow, because we're going to have our

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01:35:18.180 They've got different views about RFKJ, and we'll get into those as well.

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