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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.520 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's a snowy day here on the East Coast.

00:00:47.980 Later, we're going to be joined by actress Drea DeMatteo. She is here. And you know her. You remember the Sopranos?

00:00:55.440 It's Christopher. Christopher. She's going to be here on the show. She was amazing on that entire series, which everybody, including yours, truly loves.

00:01:03.600 And I'm excited to talk to her about the People's Republic of California and American culture today.

00:01:08.800 But we start today with one of our very favorites, Maureen Callahan of the Daily Mail, who's right here in studio with me.

00:01:18.140 She braved the snow like a true New Yorker.

00:01:21.380 We're going to start with, well, Biden's cognitive decline. We've got an update on Meghan and Harry's rebrand and all the snubbing that she's been experiencing lately.

00:01:31.200 Lots to get to. Maureen, great to have you.

00:01:33.100 It's great to be back. Thank you, Meghan.

00:01:34.620 All right. So thank you for braving the snow. This one's a legit snowstorm.

00:01:37.680 It's a legit snowstorm, but we have seen worse. Yes. We can survive 9-11. We can get through a little snow.

00:01:43.260 Yes. And it's unbelievable how like a few flakes these days absolutely shut down even the Northeast, like in the Southeast.

00:01:49.580 Like, OK, I get it. Right. In the Northeast, we're New Yorkers.

00:01:53.000 No, we really it's it's you know, it's ridiculous.

00:01:55.740 I don't think that a little snow, a little salt on the road is an impediment for anything.

00:02:02.200 So, of course, I came.

00:02:03.120 I was telling you beforehand when I was in law school, it was 1994.

00:02:07.780 It was the blizzard of 94. I was living in Albany.

00:02:10.720 I had grown up in Syracuse and Albany and I drove three hours in the storm to teach a one hour aerobics class for twenty dollars.

00:02:21.380 It was like maybe that was extreme.

00:02:23.260 But well, I think it sets the table.

00:02:25.080 It shows what that kind of grit and determination can lead to later in life.

00:02:30.100 Or perhaps you're a millennial who clocks in at work and says, I can't make that 8 a.m. meeting because I have a workout, which is a true story.

00:02:38.900 It was about the dough for me. Oh, my God. Seriously?

00:02:41.120 Yeah, that was real. Is that right? That's real.

00:02:43.200 That's not. So one other word on this all over TikTok right now is Mayor Adams because he didn't give the kids a snow day.

00:02:49.780 He's making them go to school via like online remote.

00:02:54.320 Yeah. Remote learning. That is bullshit.

00:02:56.840 Like give a snow day or don't give a snow day.

00:02:59.660 But remote learning because of the snow.

00:03:02.620 You know what else is even better?

00:03:04.560 It crashed.

00:03:06.160 Oh, no.

00:03:07.020 There were alerts right before I left for your studio that the remote learning system has crashed.

00:03:12.120 So, yes, the children should go out and go sledding and have snowball fights and make snowmen and angels.

00:03:18.220 Come on.

00:03:18.700 Yes. Remote learning sucks.

00:03:20.200 They're not going to learn anything from that anyway.

00:03:21.980 So just give them the day.

00:03:23.020 OK, there we go.

00:03:24.100 So speaking of things in the news and in our lives, the Super Bowl ratings, 123.4 million viewers.

00:03:33.300 The most watched television event since the moon landing.

00:03:38.580 I'm terrified.

00:03:40.400 What does it say?

00:03:41.560 I was hoping that as a culture, we were reaching like peak saturation levels with Taylor Swift.

00:03:47.780 Like, you know how the water table can't absorb anymore.

00:03:50.840 And it seems as if we're nowhere near that yet.

00:03:53.460 I just saw that the Chiefs have sort of delicately presented to her the idea of not attending the parade on Wednesday.

00:04:01.940 Oh, really?

00:04:02.640 Yeah.

00:04:03.040 Oh.

00:04:03.460 They say that they can't handle the influx of fans that might arrive.

00:04:08.980 But I think it's also kind of let them have their moment.

00:04:11.980 Yes.

00:04:12.420 You know, she's the new Beatles.

00:04:14.040 I mean, that's how they're treating her.

00:04:15.100 Like the girls with the tears.

00:04:18.480 And, you know, I don't totally understand.

00:04:20.440 I really don't have anything against Taylor Swift.

00:04:22.700 Likewise.

00:04:22.940 It's not like she's one of those people who I really can't.

00:04:25.140 She's done a couple of things that are annoying.

00:04:27.700 But that's true of most of these public figures.

00:04:29.500 But I don't totally get the absolute adulation and rabid fandom that's happening.

00:04:36.360 I will say I think those Super Bowl numbers are about something else because the NFL, it was like 98 of the top 100 shows this year were all football games.

00:04:44.240 I think they've gotten rid of a lot of that BLM nonsense and people are desperate for something other than politics, you know, just consuming every moment.

00:04:53.460 Yeah, no, I think you're totally right about that.

00:04:55.020 I think, you know, there's a hunger for something that unites us.

00:04:58.280 You touched on this a little bit.

00:04:59.740 Well, quite a bit, actually, after the Grammys.

00:05:01.640 To me, it was similar, a similar reaction to the Tracy Chapman, Luke Combs performance, where it literally felt like Tracy was blue America.

00:05:11.360 Luke was red America.

00:05:12.840 And it was just like very quiet, joyful moment of union, like this kind of way of saying like, hey, like we can get the band back together.

00:05:21.360 It's so true.

00:05:22.140 And the band is America.

00:05:23.480 And I think it's a similar thing with football, you know?

00:05:26.680 Yeah.

00:05:27.200 Yeah, you're right.

00:05:27.700 I love the way I feel when I'm watching the game, even though I understand very little about it.

00:05:31.500 These guys came on yesterday, Crane and company of the Daily Wire.

00:05:34.020 And my insightful questions included things like when that guy raises his hands when he did that kick, what happened there?

00:05:41.240 I know.

00:05:41.980 This is not where you go for in-depth football analysis.

00:05:44.360 I understand none of it.

00:05:45.520 I understand none of it.

00:05:46.460 But I found myself watching and I felt like it was a real cultural moment.

00:05:50.540 Yeah.

00:05:50.760 You know, and but I also felt like we got a really unique look at Taylor Swift's attachment style.

00:05:58.540 In the hug at the end of the game.

00:06:00.900 Oh, rubbing the belly?

00:06:01.880 No, she ran to him and she kissed him.

00:06:05.640 And she first of all, she rotated him around to get all the camera angles properly.

00:06:10.460 Like as CBS's camera is moving, she's moving him so they can get the shot.

00:06:14.540 And then she's like grabbing onto him by the waist and hugging him.

00:06:17.980 And she's not letting go.

00:06:19.060 It felt like it went on for a little while.

00:06:20.580 Oh, I feel like this is the attachment style we hear of in her songs.

00:06:24.500 Yes.

00:06:25.300 Stage five clinger.

00:06:26.920 Is that the problem?

00:06:29.260 I guess if you're dating the Super Bowl champ, you want to hold on.

00:06:31.980 Just ask Giselle.

00:06:33.200 Sometimes they get tired of you very easily, even if you're a supermodel or the world's

00:06:37.260 biggest superstar.

00:06:38.260 Let's hope not here.

00:06:39.460 Just saying it's a thing.

00:06:40.800 All right.

00:06:40.960 We're going to get back to pop culture in a minute.

00:06:43.180 But I want to start with President Biden, because you've got a great piece out basically

00:06:47.700 saying he's done.

00:06:49.660 You read the special counsel news.

00:06:52.540 The left is continuing to freak out.

00:06:55.880 And now they seem to be like the justifications for what they said in that report.

00:07:01.480 Right.

00:07:01.740 Well, meaning elderly man with a poor memory and the frailties has been actually entertaining

00:07:07.900 to me.

00:07:08.300 I give you as example number one, Joe Scarborough in his spin in response to the news in that

00:07:15.460 report that Biden couldn't remember either when he was vice president or when his son

00:07:20.860 Bo died within several years.

00:07:22.800 Watch this.

00:07:23.520 I said this yesterday and maybe I don't know, maybe it's just older people.

00:07:27.200 We've we've lived a busy and active life, but nobody's closer to me.

00:07:34.000 Nobody's been closer to me in my life.

00:07:35.260 I said I'm a mom, if somebody asked me in the middle of the deposition, what year did

00:07:38.420 your mom die?

00:07:39.180 I go.

00:07:41.060 I don't know.

00:07:42.100 2017, 2018, 2019.

00:07:43.780 I don't know.

00:07:44.440 I can tell you everything about it.

00:07:46.300 I can tell you my final word.

00:07:47.760 But but but again, that and same thing with Mika and her dad.

00:07:53.540 So the fact, first of all, that he was asking that question.

00:07:57.060 Secondly, that somehow that's the most damning thing.

00:08:00.660 And the Trump people are now saying the White House is like an old folks home.

00:08:05.940 They don't know when their parents died.

00:08:09.420 I don't believe that.

00:08:10.800 I don't believe that for one second.

00:08:12.920 No, I can tell you the day and date.

00:08:15.060 Same.

00:08:16.020 I could tell you the time.

00:08:17.740 Yes.

00:08:17.980 Same.

00:08:18.520 Everyone can.

00:08:19.380 Yeah.

00:08:19.560 So says the man who is, you know, having private dinners at the White House with Joe and Jill,

00:08:27.340 Joe and Mika go.

00:08:29.360 Joe, Joe Scarborough takes calls regularly from Joe Biden.

00:08:32.200 He's apparently the number one fan of Morning Joe.

00:08:34.740 This is the kind of thing that they don't regularly disclose.

00:08:37.420 First of all, it should not be happening.

00:08:38.900 Right.

00:08:39.020 You cannot call yourself a journalist if you want that kind of access to power or proximity

00:08:42.820 to power or you want them to like you.

00:08:45.860 That's not your job.

00:08:48.400 And to watch these apologists, I mean, I couldn't I was rabidly flipping the night of that presser

00:08:53.820 between like MSNBC, CNN and Fox and to watch, you know, Rachel Maddow and her panel try to explain away

00:09:04.060 what we all just witnessed, which was what I would call an extinction level event.

00:09:12.200 They sound not like serious journalists or serious news analysts, but they sound like cultists.

00:09:18.580 And you would think that they might have a moment of reckoning, you know, where even people on the left

00:09:25.320 are when Hillary Clinton says publicly, this is an issue.

00:09:29.680 This is a legitimate problem.

00:09:31.440 You know, the calls are beginning to come from inside the house.

00:09:33.540 And I did like your statement the other day because I had a similar thought that could this possibly be

00:09:40.500 a coup from the inside?

00:09:42.240 Because unless he was so determined to go out there against the advice of everyone closest to him,

00:09:50.160 Jill included, why would they expose him that way?

00:09:53.540 Why would Merrick Garland allow it in the report?

00:09:56.140 Exactly.

00:09:56.760 And why would the press suddenly feel like they were let off the leash to ask the question?

00:10:03.240 They have been so politely.

00:10:05.700 And I think.

00:10:07.540 It's a kind of journalistic malpractice to sidestep what we've all been seeing.

00:10:11.960 He said he spoke to two dead heads of state the same week.

00:10:16.580 Three.

00:10:17.080 He had a third.

00:10:18.180 Yeah.

00:10:18.600 Now it's three.

00:10:19.500 I mean, there's a running tally.

00:10:20.600 There's going to be more.

00:10:21.740 Right.

00:10:22.280 Yeah.

00:10:22.540 No, I do have serious wonders about that.

00:10:24.580 Like, is it from the inside?

00:10:26.440 They feel like they have a responsibility to let us just see what they're seeing.

00:10:30.520 This is the quiet.

00:10:31.500 Like, remember the piece during Trump?

00:10:33.660 We're working from the inside to control him.

00:10:36.300 Right.

00:10:36.700 Remember that person?

00:10:37.720 It was anonymous for a while.

00:10:38.860 Then it turned out to be like a nobody.

00:10:40.200 Right.

00:10:40.420 But is this that?

00:10:41.620 Like, we let you see what we see.

00:10:44.320 Now it's up to the American voters.

00:10:46.400 You know, Politico just ran a piece this morning saying it's too late.

00:10:50.560 It's going to be Biden.

00:10:51.780 Here are all the reasons why.

00:10:53.840 But when LBJ addressed the nation to say that he was not going to seek reelection, it was

00:10:58.140 March 31st, 1968.

00:11:01.340 We're only in like early to mid February.

00:11:03.800 There is still time.

00:11:05.020 It's not too late.

00:11:05.680 And even if he wins all of the delegates in, you know, March and Super Tuesday, he can still

00:11:11.860 pass the baton.

00:11:12.800 I mean, if the Obamas, the Clintons, the party elders, the Pelosi's went to him and said,

00:11:18.280 it cannot be you.

00:11:20.420 I mean, there's he would be forced.

00:11:22.200 He would be forced if they all or we're going to come out publicly and say you're not competent

00:11:26.720 to handle the job.

00:11:27.620 He would be forced to pass the baton and then the delegates are going to have to do what

00:11:32.580 they do at the convention.

00:11:34.420 We'll just see whether these others are up to it, right?

00:11:37.780 Like whether they're willing to do that to him and their party.

00:11:41.060 Yeah, we'll see the kind of character and backbone.

00:11:43.580 I mean, like, as I wrote in my column, I don't think it's just unpatriotic to be propping

00:11:49.440 up Joe Biden.

00:11:50.620 You know, our enemies are watching this.

00:11:52.960 There is a reason the world is on fire right now.

00:11:55.100 They're emboldened.

00:11:55.880 They've been emboldened since the disaster that was the Afghanistan withdrawal, which

00:12:00.520 Biden loves to take credit for, you know, and we are no longer feared.

00:12:06.320 And I think the reason Trump against Biden stands such a good shot is people at least

00:12:13.560 felt that the world feared Trump.

00:12:16.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:17.700 And they have no fear of this president.

00:12:19.240 We have fear of this president.

00:12:20.820 We're afraid he's going to fall or say the wrong thing.

00:12:23.260 That was another theory I heard, which was what if instead of, you know, them being behind

00:12:30.300 letting us see, you know, they actually did try to stop him as they've tried to stop him

00:12:35.080 from giving any and all interviews, including the Super Bowl halftime interview.

00:12:39.480 Yes.

00:12:39.660 And what if the fear is not that he's going to lose reelection, but the fear is he's going

00:12:45.280 to start a war, he's going to say something so calamitous that it can't be undone with

00:12:52.520 one of those White House press statements that they keep putting out to try to do cleanup

00:12:55.960 for him after the fact.

00:12:57.760 You know, you heard him say about Israel, like they've gone too far the other night.

00:13:00.740 Well, that was new messaging.

00:13:02.140 What?

00:13:02.740 Since when do you feel that way?

00:13:04.080 You look down at the word ceasefire.

00:13:05.660 He he's got in his hands major U.S. foreign policy that can be changed with a word here

00:13:11.080 or there.

00:13:11.300 We've seen him stumble regime change in Russia.

00:13:14.900 No, I didn't.

00:13:15.600 Yes, you did.

00:13:16.120 We heard.

00:13:16.820 So, you know, all of that's only getting worse.

00:13:18.640 And I do wonder whether there's a genuine fear like the one you just expressed on the

00:13:22.860 inside in terms of letting him out there and free.

00:13:26.460 I think, you know, it reminds me of towards the end of Trump's presidency when there were

00:13:32.320 his his top advisers said, you know, we had to make a backdoor call to China and say, if

00:13:39.300 you hear Trump say we're going to nuke you, just please know we're not going to nuke you.

00:13:43.460 Millie did that.

00:13:43.980 Yeah.

00:13:44.580 And it's it's a similar like we're dealing with both of these candidates who are so highly

00:13:49.380 compromised.

00:13:49.900 I mean, Trump has been having his own cognitive issues.

00:13:52.660 He's been talking about World War Two possibly erupting.

00:13:55.700 You know, he's been misnaming people.

00:13:59.540 But I don't like the argument that, well, at least under Biden, America is safer, at

00:14:05.360 least under Biden.

00:14:06.780 You know, there are sane people underneath him.

00:14:09.580 This is not a banana republic, you know, and we're telling the world this is the best we

00:14:15.680 can do.

00:14:16.220 We're going to prop up somebody who cannot sit for a softball Super Bowl interview two

00:14:22.140 years in a row.

00:14:23.140 Yeah, reportedly they were going to give him Gail King.

00:14:26.000 Oh, she's not going to ask any hard questions that would have been prearranged and he would

00:14:31.320 have sailed right through it.

00:14:32.980 And yet he couldn't do even that.

00:14:34.920 So now what they're doing at the White House is they're putting him out in these pre-taped

00:14:41.020 canned videos where they just released one last week.

00:14:44.700 If he's sitting with a black family and they're he's talking about how your dad really loves

00:14:50.740 you, you know, how much he loves you.

00:14:52.040 And these kids are like, yeah, we know he's talking about sports.

00:14:55.260 And I guess this is supposed to make us feel better.

00:14:58.260 Well, I mean, you got chicken burgers, you got, you got all the other.

00:15:03.260 So tell me about you guys.

00:15:04.260 What you doing these days?

00:15:05.260 Why don't you share about your passion in sports?

00:15:06.260 I'm playing AAU basketball right now.

00:15:08.260 Are you really?

00:15:09.260 Are you a guard?

00:15:10.260 Yes, sir.

00:15:11.260 Now, what grade are you at?

00:15:12.260 Seventh grade.

00:15:13.260 Seventh grade.

00:15:14.260 Right now I'm just doing basketball, playing guard on the JV team for my school.

00:15:18.260 How about the school?

00:15:19.260 How are y'all doing in school?

00:15:20.260 I'm just telling the president about the school.

00:15:21.260 Favorite thing about it is the business academy I'm in.

00:15:23.260 We get to like travel.

00:15:24.260 So we've been to like NC State and Wake Tech and we—

00:15:39.260 The academy?

00:15:40.260 Yeah, we went to this small dry cleaning business.

00:15:43.260 And it's just it's cool.

00:15:44.260 It's a great experience.

00:15:45.260 You're impressed.

00:15:46.260 I'm a senior.

00:15:47.260 I'm impressed. Is that a new program at the school?

00:15:50.860 Yes, sir, it is. It just started just a couple of years ago.

00:15:54.700 You know how much this guy loves you.

00:15:57.000 You just feel it, can't you?

00:15:58.360 It's it.

00:15:59.000 Your dad jumped in front of a bull for you.

00:16:02.840 He looks like a kind of a sweet grandpa talking to kids the way a grandpa would.

00:16:06.500 You know how much your dad loves you, don't you?

00:16:08.980 Right.

00:16:09.380 And that's not going to do it.

00:16:11.640 Right.

00:16:11.940 And meantime, Maureen, meantime, you've got the White House refusing as his annual physical comes up to get him a cognitive, a neurological exam.

00:16:23.760 Molly Jung Fast was on MSNBC trying to rip down the Robert Herr special counsel, HUR, report the other day.

00:16:32.600 Just listen to what she said.

00:16:33.880 I don't think that Herr is a good faith actor.

00:16:36.860 And I think that 345 pages of that show that.

00:16:39.960 I mean, he's not a neurologist, right?

00:16:41.720 If you want to weigh in on legal things, that's fine.

00:16:45.280 But, you know, the idea and again, to fault someone for saying they don't remember during a deposition, when we've seen people like Dr. Anthony Fauci say that hundreds of times during a deposition, that's what you're supposed to say if you don't remember because you don't want to be wrong.

00:17:00.460 OK.

00:17:01.720 A lot in there.

00:17:02.980 He's not a neurologist, her.

00:17:04.580 So he's not allowed to talk about how this witness would play at trial.

00:17:07.480 I guess as a lawyer, you're no longer allowed to make those assessments.

00:17:10.780 And then the he was just saying, I don't remember the way any deposition witness does.

00:17:16.160 That's all.

00:17:17.120 That's all that was, Maureen.

00:17:19.160 It's so intellectually dishonest.

00:17:21.440 And I mean, you're a lawyer.

00:17:23.140 You know this.

00:17:23.920 There's a difference between someone who's being deposed, who is using facts and language in such a way to avoid answering a damning question versus a sitting president who has to ask when he began serving as vice president.

00:17:40.400 When he stopped serving as vice president, a president who, I am sorry, has used his personal tragedies as part of the fabric of his political narrative for years and years to say to take umbrage with being asked if he remembers when his son Bo died.

00:17:59.520 Which, if I recall reading correctly, I believe Biden opened the door to that.

00:18:05.120 I was going to say, do we I don't remember exactly how it went down, but do we know that it was put to him out of the blue by Robert Herr?

00:18:10.900 To me, it sounds like something he may have brought up and then struggled to put facts around.

00:18:15.000 Mm hmm. That's what I think. That's what I think.

00:18:17.960 And to watch the Molly Jong fast of the world, who sort of built a sort of second act off of being a rabid anti-Trumper.

00:18:27.300 You know, it's just the tribalism in this country that it's not that bad if it's my side, but if it's your side, it's the end of the world is extremely unhelpful.

00:18:36.780 And when you see even the New York Times begin to turn a little bit now, they're still having a schizophrenic reaction, like they're running half of their op eds are like, it's OK, it's OK.

00:18:47.940 And the other half are like, it's time to go like this. We've seen incontrovertible evidence.

00:18:52.080 We all have someone we know who is struggling with cognitive decline.

00:18:56.800 And if you do, as I do, you see the signs, you see what is in front of you and to be told that you are.

00:19:04.960 Not bright enough to get it right.

00:19:08.660 That doesn't work with the electorate.

00:19:10.560 It's truly one of those don't believe your lion eyes moments like we know.

00:19:15.280 Eighty six percent of the American populace believes he's too old to be president, which happens to be the same number he will be.

00:19:22.080 If he completes a second term and makes it eighty six percent, that's you can't wave that away by saying Robert, her is not a neurologist or, gee, I forgot when my mom and dad died like Joe Scarborough.

00:19:37.140 But we do if it's true.

00:19:38.760 What they're saying now is behind the scenes.

00:19:41.160 You know, David Brooks, he said that in The New York Times today.

00:19:44.240 I he's like, I'm really worried about the country because now they've been misled by this mean special counsel.

00:19:49.940 And this is just boosts Trump, who's, you know, clearly unhinged.

00:19:53.980 And he says, you know, I've talked to him behind the scenes all the time.

00:19:56.440 He's very sharp, very.

00:19:57.820 That's what's Joe Scarborough.

00:19:59.120 So then let's see that because we we have not seen that we're waiting.

00:20:03.920 But what we see instead is the video with the kids eating the chicken.

00:20:07.660 That's not persuading anyone of anything.

00:20:10.440 And now when asked, will he just at least take a cognitive test?

00:20:14.760 Trump Trump did it.

00:20:16.220 This is what K.J.P. said at the White House.

00:20:18.860 What do you think about the idea of taking that kind of a test?

00:20:22.320 I mean, look, and I talked about this last week, too, on I believe on Friday.

00:20:27.500 I have known this president since 2009.

00:20:29.720 He is not just my boss, you know, he's also a mentor to me.

00:20:36.980 And I spent sometimes countless hours with him, whether it's in the Oval Office, whether it's on the road.

00:20:44.080 And I believe for me, you're asking me my personal opinion, he is sharp.

00:20:48.740 He is on top of things.

00:20:50.420 When we have meetings with him, with his staff, he's constantly pushing us, trying to get more information.

00:20:56.740 And so that has been my experience with this president.

00:21:00.400 Anything else outside of that?

00:21:02.240 I just shared with you what Dr. O'Connor said to me.

00:21:05.060 And so I'll just leave it there.

00:21:07.320 And then they asked again.

00:21:08.680 So no cognitive test.

00:21:09.900 And she dodged again.

00:21:11.960 He's constantly asking for more information.

00:21:14.040 Does not prove he does not have a memory problem.

00:21:17.020 Great point.

00:21:18.480 That is such a great point.

00:21:20.100 So if so, it can't be it can't be both.

00:21:22.260 Right.

00:21:22.520 If he is just so with it and together behind the scenes and he's outpacing his youngest staff members and they can't keep up with him.

00:21:30.180 But only those on his inner circle have access to this really spry, intellectually sharp president.

00:21:38.240 But the rest of us get an information blackout and have next to no access to this president who is going to try to run this campaign again from the basement.

00:21:48.260 You know, both things can't be true.

00:21:49.440 If he's that great, why not let him out there?

00:21:51.180 Let's see him.

00:21:51.600 Let's have him out there all the time.

00:21:53.520 Super Bowl.

00:21:54.040 Sure.

00:21:54.460 Gayle King.

00:21:55.200 Sure.

00:21:55.620 Let's do it.

00:21:56.180 Let's do a sit down.

00:21:57.000 Let's do a sit down with Oprah.

00:21:58.220 Let's do a sit down with Fox.

00:22:00.000 Let's do it.

00:22:01.040 Let's really get in the mix.

00:22:02.460 Do a sit down with Morning Joe.

00:22:04.200 Why not?

00:22:04.960 You can't get any friendlier than that.

00:22:06.920 If you can't handle that, you can't handle the presidency.

00:22:10.220 That's very clear.

00:22:12.120 All right.

00:22:12.620 Let's shift gears and talk about what's happened with this shooting at Joel Osteen's church down in Houston.

00:22:19.520 What's amazing to me is this happened a couple of days ago.

00:22:22.860 I've seen Joel Osteen's name in every newspaper in big black print.

00:22:29.400 And then you have to read way, way, way, way, way down in the print article to see the fact that the shooter appears to have been transgender.

00:22:37.640 Now, this, by my count, is at least the sixth transgender person to commit a mass shooting or try within the past couple of years.

00:22:46.000 And each time the media completely downplays that fact and lets the story wither on the vine very quickly, these are not accidents.

00:22:57.580 It's interesting.

00:22:58.500 So I was reading about this and I was looking into, you know, what data they have about transgender mass shooters versus what we have become all too familiar with is that the sort of straight white male mass shooter.

00:23:12.020 And it turns out it's actually a really, really small percentage.

00:23:17.000 And it seems to me, you know, I was reading about this particular shooter who had gone by alternately male names and female names.

00:23:25.580 It was a woman.

00:23:26.320 But it was a woman.

00:23:27.080 She's been shot dead now and committing the offense.

00:23:29.300 It brought her seven-year-old son along and he is now in critical condition with a head, a shot to the head.

00:23:34.680 But her neighbors in Conroe, Texas, had called the police multiple times.

00:23:44.200 I mean, she pulled a gun on a neighbor for like doing the lawn.

00:23:49.220 It's extreme, even in Texas.

00:23:51.660 And she was a known schizophrenic.

00:23:54.240 She had a criminal record.

00:23:56.960 Her mother-in-law knew she was, her mother-in-law's a rabbi.

00:24:01.000 She knew she was deeply mentally ill.

00:24:02.860 And these residents, five of these women held a press conference, I think yesterday, and said, you know, we are constantly told if you see something, say something.

00:24:11.560 And we said something and we said something and we said something.

00:24:14.340 Nothing was done.

00:24:15.260 We went to the police.

00:24:16.320 Nothing was done.

00:24:17.400 She was allowed to legally buy a weapon.

00:24:19.960 That's insane.

00:24:20.420 And we continue to hear this, that it's mental illness.

00:24:26.040 It's not access to guns or the gun lobby.

00:24:29.340 And I just, I don't know how this country continues to put its head in the sand when it comes to this.

00:24:36.840 In this case, in this case, there are questions about whether there should have been more gun enforcement.

00:24:41.820 There should have been a red flag law that would have made sure this person to get access to it.

00:24:46.520 But, you know, to me, it's outrageous because there has, well, the number overall, you're right.

00:24:52.020 It's usually the white guys, 19 years old, 20 years old.

00:24:54.900 They have a schizophrenic break.

00:24:56.220 There's usually some sort of a warning sign.

00:24:58.160 Oftentimes there are posts online.

00:25:00.480 We are starting to see the profile change.

00:25:03.100 I remember that Nashville shooting where they still haven't released the manifesto.

00:25:06.780 We found out it was a girl who's posing as a boy.

00:25:09.360 And my first instinct was girls don't do this.

00:25:12.000 This is not a girl thing.

00:25:13.560 It's school shootings.

00:25:14.640 Of course, you can always find an exception.

00:25:16.600 This is a boy thing.

00:25:18.760 And yet we're seeing it more and more.

00:25:20.960 And it's girls who are taking testosterone, who've obviously struggled with mental health issues.

00:25:26.640 Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing a school shooting.

00:25:29.040 And there's absolutely an absolute unwillingness to acknowledge that piece of the story and probe why.

00:25:35.700 Why is the dynamic starting to shift?

00:25:38.780 You know, I feel like you and I are willing to say,

00:25:41.180 should there have been a red flag law that would have gotten this person within the crosshairs of the gun screeners down in Texas or where she bought the guns?

00:25:48.640 Yes, obviously, yes.

00:25:50.420 But it's also the case that we need to look at, was she on hormones?

00:25:54.260 Was there something?

00:25:55.060 Was there a change in the personality?

00:25:56.320 What triggered this, you know, mental health illness or problem with her?

00:26:00.380 And instead, we get total blackouts from the media on the subject of there are signs everywhere on this person when it comes to mental health and they're totally ignored.

00:26:09.760 Can we talk about Crumbly?

00:26:12.100 Now, I don't say his name.

00:26:14.640 He's a shooter, a mass shooter.

00:26:16.180 But his mom, Jennifer, she was just on trial as the mother of the mass shooter.

00:26:22.120 And this is for a case in Michigan.

00:26:24.300 He went into school.

00:26:25.380 They found his troubling writings.

00:26:26.960 So they called the parents.

00:26:28.000 The parents didn't take him home.

00:26:29.200 The parents knew that they had just gotten a gun from four days earlier.

00:26:31.780 They didn't tell.

00:26:32.940 They left the kid there.

00:26:34.280 They said, oh, we have to get back to our jobs.

00:26:35.980 And then the mother and soon the father have been put on trial.

00:26:39.200 The mother was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

00:26:41.300 The dad's about to go.

00:26:42.180 The dad is actually making a motion to exclude all witness testimony from the school's witnesses because he thinks it'd be too prejudicial.

00:26:49.780 Good luck with that.

00:26:50.980 But not a day goes by that we don't learn more about this couple and how disgustingly negligent they were.

00:26:57.560 That's the thing.

00:26:58.080 Like, you did your homework on this, Maureen.

00:26:59.720 When I first looked at it, I was like, how do you hold the kid responsible or the parent responsible for the kid's actions?

00:27:04.160 One of my guests made a great made a good point about what we're going to do to all the parents in Chicago of the gang members who are shooting each other.

00:27:10.540 Good question still.

00:27:12.180 But this case, you actually look deep into it, is particularly egregious.

00:27:17.940 It's incredibly egregious.

00:27:19.440 I mean, this child never had a chance.

00:27:21.460 This was a child who had the wherewithal to be calling out for help and begging his parents for help, saying, I need to see a doctor.

00:27:29.800 I am hearing voices.

00:27:31.280 Watching the trial was really fascinating because it feels like a watershed moment in the country.

00:27:38.780 The takeaway for me was sort of, you know, we are just resolutely not going to ever do anything about guns.

00:27:45.940 The meeting that the parents had with the school, it was a guidance counselor and the dean of students who were in that meeting with this child who had been found with a piece of paper that said, bullets everywhere.

00:28:00.000 Help me.

00:28:01.000 Help me.

00:28:02.140 I'm basically going to shoot the school.

00:28:04.120 Oh, in his bag at his feet was the murder weapon.

00:28:08.960 Yeah.

00:28:09.080 Nobody looked in the bag.

00:28:10.700 Now they want to prosecute the parents.

00:28:12.840 But guess who they're not prosecuting?

00:28:15.420 Guidance counselor, dean of students who said, hey, your choice.

00:28:19.320 Want to send him home?

00:28:20.620 Didn't call the cops.

00:28:21.700 That was crazy.

00:28:22.260 Didn't call first responders.

00:28:23.420 Didn't say to them, you need to take your child off campus.

00:28:25.820 We are going to put a blanket alert.

00:28:28.400 He can't be within 50, 100 feet of this place and get back to us once he's been evaluated.

00:28:34.320 And I really consider it a system wide failure on all levels.

00:28:37.560 How was it up to the loser parents whether he got pulled or not?

00:28:41.560 I mean, at most schools in the country, especially in today's day and age, it would be a zero tolerance.

00:28:46.540 You say a word that's threatening.

00:28:48.620 Never mind.

00:28:49.380 Do the disturbing drawings.

00:28:51.700 You're out.

00:28:52.580 It's not, gee, do you want to leave junior at school for the day?

00:28:56.040 It's get him out of here.

00:28:57.540 How?

00:28:58.200 Like, how?

00:28:59.480 The teachers walked by him on his phone in class looking up bullets.

00:29:05.580 You know, I mean, there were a million alarm bells you would see during the trial.

00:29:09.240 There were shown repeated emails from different teachers saying this child is really struggling.

00:29:14.280 This child made a statement that he thinks his family and his life is a mistake.

00:29:17.420 Like, this is not right.

00:29:18.500 Like, and every response from, you know, the person above would be, oh, I'll catch up with

00:29:23.880 him, exclamation point.

00:29:26.500 You know, and it goes to it.

00:29:27.860 I read that that school has like four guidance counselors for 2000 students.

00:29:31.900 So it's already an overburdened system.

00:29:34.540 Well, at a minimum, the system should be even if you can't get the guidance counselor involved,

00:29:39.140 the parents are getting a call and the parents should be trusted to do something.

00:29:43.400 No one wants to be the parent of the next school shooter, except these parents didn't

00:29:48.920 care.

00:29:49.780 And I actually didn't know some of the stuff that was in your article about how filthy

00:29:53.700 the home was, how poor his physical health was, like his teeth.

00:29:59.600 You found, I mean, this was a neglectful set of parents.

00:30:02.800 Yeah.

00:30:03.180 I mean, the, the neighbors reported the house was filthy.

00:30:05.700 They allowed, they had multiple household pets, not even the normal ones like dogs or cats

00:30:11.340 that were going in the house all the time.

00:30:13.560 Jennifer Crumbly, I was shocked.

00:30:15.220 She testified in her own defense.

00:30:17.560 She talked about walking by his room and they showed photos of it.

00:30:21.640 And it was such the manifestation of a disordered, chaotic mind.

00:30:26.200 It was a mess.

00:30:27.500 Her response was to close the door to it.

00:30:30.240 She spent her time having an adulterous affair in a Costco parking lot.

00:30:36.740 And then, I mean, I don't know how you feel about this in terms of what's fair play in

00:30:40.840 a prosecution, but they managed to bring in that she and her lover were having like sex

00:30:48.940 parties at hotels and it all felt very grim.

00:30:53.660 It also felt very like, well, what's the, what's the trial for the father going to be

00:30:57.640 like, right?

00:30:58.220 Is bad parenting only going to fall on the mother in this case?

00:31:01.080 Well, because he bought the gun.

00:31:02.620 He bought the gun.

00:31:03.340 Though they said that one of the jurors said in an interview, it was the fact that she was

00:31:06.840 the one who last had the gun with her son that led them to say, that's the straw that

00:31:11.760 broke the camel's back in terms of convicting her, which the dad didn't do.

00:31:16.840 Reading here from your report, a couple of, a couple of details.

00:31:22.380 He had a journal.

00:31:23.740 Neither of his parents ever looked at it.

00:31:25.120 They never looked at his phone.

00:31:26.040 They never looked at his social media.

00:31:27.220 Okay.

00:31:27.380 A lot of parents might not do that.

00:31:29.160 Many do.

00:31:29.640 But when you know your son is disturbed and saying weird things and obviously has no

00:31:34.020 friends and is depressed to not check, uh, it could be really problematic.

00:31:38.280 He drew a young girl in profile, a gun to the back of her head.

00:31:40.720 As you said, a bullet firing alongside the words, the first victim has to be a pretty

00:31:44.880 girl with a future so she can suffer just like me.

00:31:48.200 A text to, from him to his only friend, seven months before the shooting.

00:31:52.000 I hear people talking to me.

00:31:53.400 I see someone in the distance.

00:31:54.460 I actually asked my dad to take me to the doctor yesterday, but he just gave me some

00:31:59.180 pills and told me to suck it up.

00:32:00.700 It's to the point where I'm asking to go to the doctor.

00:32:03.320 My mom laughed when I told her.

00:32:05.760 She denied that he told her.

00:32:08.880 Um, he said to the same friend, bad insomnia, bad paranoia.

00:32:13.160 I need help.

00:32:13.780 I was thinking of call nine, calling 911 so I could go to the hospital, but then my parents

00:32:17.740 would be really pissed.

00:32:19.060 I'm mentally and physically dying.

00:32:21.220 She says she never saw any of it and he never said one word about this to her.

00:32:27.380 I don't believe her.

00:32:29.100 I don't believe her either.

00:32:30.700 I don't believe her either.

00:32:32.020 She made plenty of time for the pursuits that interested her, her horses, her barn,

00:32:39.560 her married boyfriend, her extracurricular activities.

00:32:44.240 Um, it's, it's, you know, it's a prop to me.

00:32:47.740 It's such an easy, like prosecutable case of neglect and abuse, but can you hold a parent

00:32:54.060 responsible for your child's committing mass murder?

00:32:59.240 It's such an interesting moment in the culture.

00:33:02.000 And I think the reverberations are going to be.

00:33:05.280 The ones that, um, you know, in the short, in the short term, this maybe feels like a

00:33:10.220 good, satisfying verdict.

00:33:11.980 You know, every parent will think twice if their child is manifesting as a textbook developing

00:33:18.020 school shooter.

00:33:18.940 I mean, he had like dead birds in his room.

00:33:20.900 He was decapitating baby birds and bringing them to school.

00:33:24.120 I mean, it is textbook, but in the longterm, as you said, well, then what parents do we hold

00:33:30.360 responsible?

00:33:30.900 How far do we take it?

00:33:32.900 What eight, what's the cutoff age?

00:33:34.920 If you wind up having prior knowledge of an act, like just how culpable are you?

00:33:39.200 They didn't even charge her as an accessory, which I thought was interesting.

00:33:42.580 Yeah.

00:33:42.900 I thought that might've been a more suitable.

00:33:45.260 Now we're going to cross, you know, some uncomfortable lines, right?

00:33:47.640 Cause you point out, um, he had 13 cavities at one point.

00:33:52.240 They would let the dogs urinate inside the house.

00:33:55.240 Um, she didn't mention her son for 10 days after he was arrested.

00:33:59.500 She knew he'd committed the crime because they were listening to her phone calls.

00:34:02.960 She was all about herself asking your dad for money.

00:34:06.620 But there is a good question about whether we're holding this family, this sort of white

00:34:12.820 Midwestern family to a standard.

00:34:14.920 We would never hold black families of gang members in inner city, Chicago too.

00:34:21.280 Or wealthy white East coasters.

00:34:26.060 Yeah.

00:34:26.260 So for example, after Sandy Hook, now that shooter slaughtered his mother before going

00:34:34.020 to that school and doing what he did.

00:34:35.920 But that case got say like a 20 page thoughtful treatment in the New Yorker written by Andrew

00:34:42.480 Solomon about the Genesis of a school shooter.

00:34:46.280 Who's culpable?

00:34:48.060 Is it the gun lobbies at the culture?

00:34:49.720 There are some parents just simply either in over their heads with a troubled child,

00:34:54.920 or they just had no way of knowing this case to me felt like a prosecutor looking at like,

00:35:01.580 this is a good test case.

00:35:03.860 These people don't have means.

00:35:05.260 They're low class.

00:35:06.200 Look at them.

00:35:06.900 Yeah.

00:35:07.140 You know, the mother gets on the stand and she's like disheveled and she doesn't look

00:35:10.640 pulled together.

00:35:11.760 And it's just, they're not likable people and they don't have means and they don't have

00:35:17.120 access to power or really good attorneys.

00:35:19.520 Her attorney was a disaster.

00:35:21.180 If you go back, she was a nightmare.

00:35:22.740 She was, she was so worried about her hair.

00:35:25.060 Oh my goodness.

00:35:25.980 She could barely like utter an objection when necessary.

00:35:29.560 She made every moment about herself.

00:35:31.020 I'm trying to hold it together here.

00:35:32.500 I'm trying not to cry, but it's very hard for me.

00:35:34.740 Like, Oh, could you stop?

00:35:35.860 She was also woefully underprepared.

00:35:38.740 She, she, she seemed to have glancing knowledge of the facts of this case and she didn't push

00:35:43.960 back in ways I think you could have pushed back.

00:35:45.720 I also thought it was an interesting choice to have a young male prosecutor cross-examine

00:35:51.080 Jennifer Crumbly.

00:35:52.700 And I wondered what the thinking about that was because watching that as a woman and even

00:35:57.140 knowing the jury was stacked overwhelmingly with women, I thought that might not play very

00:36:02.000 well, it might feel too aggressive.

00:36:07.240 But I mean, I was wrong.

00:36:08.720 It worked.

00:36:09.520 They, they accurately guessed that the jury would hate her and that they would be the

00:36:15.380 heroes, you know, that they would see the prosecution as on their side and she would

00:36:19.580 be the enemy.

00:36:20.180 But reading your report, I mean, it had stuff in here I hadn't seen.

00:36:23.540 And I too felt like, yeah, she's the enemy.

00:36:26.280 This is absolutely dreadful parenting.

00:36:28.720 And I really am finding it very hard to feel sorry for her.

00:36:31.640 I, I expect the dad will get a similar result.

00:36:34.480 I would hope so.

00:36:35.580 Unless he's got something else.

00:36:36.760 And the, in the case of the new town shooter, yes, the mother was killed.

00:36:40.540 The father, he never got charged or anybody, I know, and he's even talking about this kind

00:36:44.440 of thing back then, but he was, they were divorced.

00:36:47.000 He wasn't really in the picture, which I don't know.

00:36:50.580 Is that an okay defense?

00:36:52.040 Yeah.

00:36:52.220 Like I, I had nothing to do with him.

00:36:54.040 You know what?

00:36:54.440 Great point.

00:36:54.980 But like, in terms of this shooter's parents, they were alternately separated, back together,

00:37:01.540 separated, living in the same home, but not communicating.

00:37:05.440 And how would we define that?

00:37:08.140 You know, you know, you can have an absentee parent who's still in the marital home and

00:37:11.960 legally part of a marriage.

00:37:13.380 Well, and the, and the, the Sandy Hook shooter, his mom, of course, as we said, murdered by

00:37:19.040 him, but if, if she had lived, if she hadn't been murdered, the case there was of a mom

00:37:26.400 who allowed her troubled son to spend hours on end down in the basement doing violent

00:37:33.340 videos and nothing but, and he had no friends.

00:37:36.220 He was extremely antisocial and she had guns in the house that were unsecure.

00:37:40.500 You could make the case.

00:37:41.440 I mean, you could take those like, and then other parents can be like, well, what do you

00:37:45.220 mean?

00:37:45.420 He didn't have any friends.

00:37:46.240 He had the video games.

00:37:47.180 That was his one outlet.

00:37:48.360 You know, this, we are going down a path right now.

00:37:51.100 That's going to get really complicated, really fast.

00:37:53.620 Right.

00:37:53.780 And I feel like our eyes are off the ball still.

00:37:56.760 The issue is minors having access to guns, sick minors in particular.

00:38:01.080 Cause I think, especially in the Midwest and the South access to guns is a norm.

00:38:05.800 It may not be here in New York city, New York, but we're in Connecticut, but in the

00:38:09.940 Northeast, um, but that is very normal in other places.

00:38:14.340 You know, my brother's in Atlanta, this is not unusual down there, but most parents, 99%

00:38:19.760 of parents would be way more responsible about it.

00:38:22.440 They bring their kids to hunt.

00:38:23.900 They think it's important for them to know how to handle a gun in the States that are

00:38:27.360 much bigger on the second amendment, but not to a kid who's disturbed.

00:38:33.400 And the rest of us are like sitting ducks for the parents who themselves are disturbed

00:38:39.080 and then have kids who are disturbed and then buy them guns.

00:38:41.920 And there's no red flag laws in some of these States to step in.

00:38:45.660 Well, the thing I thought was interesting about the father's approach, which you just

00:38:48.600 read where the shooter said, I went to my father and said, I need help.

00:38:53.360 And he said, he gave me some pills and said, suck it up.

00:38:56.120 It feels like that, that would be that sort of cultural approach to what a man is.

00:39:01.080 And a man isn't somebody who goes to a psychiatrist and says, I have no control of my feelings or

00:39:06.500 my emotions, or I'm lonely.

00:39:08.280 That would be considered weak.

00:39:09.980 And so what do you do?

00:39:11.200 You go give him some pills and you buy him a gun because that's what a man does.

00:39:16.960 You know what I mean?

00:39:17.840 It's, it's sort of this, not one size fits all approach.

00:39:21.540 And there's a, an active, um, effort on the part of gun manufacturers to advertise to

00:39:29.460 children, that shooting range that the shooter's mother took him to a couple of days before

00:39:33.740 the shooting.

00:39:34.560 It's got like a family playground, like adjacent to it.

00:39:37.980 And they host like family events and stuff.

00:39:40.180 And it's sort of, that's why, cause I feel like this is our, you know, Northeast bias

00:39:44.100 kicking in.

00:39:45.060 You know, I, I know families for whom introducing guns to the minors is part of the family culture.

00:39:53.000 And they do hunt together.

00:39:54.640 I mean, my own husband, he grew up going to his, this duck blind and they would, as I

00:39:59.120 joke now, kill innocent little animals for fun.

00:40:01.520 I'm not a hunter, but I get that it's, it's very popular.

00:40:04.920 It was, you know, right of passage between father and son.

00:40:09.160 Nobody in his family was disturbed.

00:40:11.020 Nobody, it was, you know, like there has to be some balance between the second amendment

00:40:15.800 and how we embrace it and we love it.

00:40:17.600 And all the things that, you know, it's, it's importance in American culture and the

00:40:22.460 rights of these kids who are at school to live their lives and not get shot when they

00:40:26.860 walk in by a kid who was really effing disturbed and the parents let him have access.

00:40:32.520 It's just, we haven't figured it out.

00:40:34.780 Okay.

00:40:35.340 Quick break.

00:40:36.020 We're going to be right back.

00:40:36.840 Much, much more with Maureen Callahan.

00:40:38.900 Don't go away.

00:40:43.440 All right, Maureen, I've got to talk to you about more nonsense.

00:40:47.600 In boys playing in girls sports.

00:40:49.900 This one happened in New Hampshire, not far from Connecticut, where Mael Jacques, uh,

00:40:56.500 has, is celebrating beating other runners at, this is a sophomore as a state champion in

00:41:04.480 the high jump.

00:41:05.740 Um, it's a boy who is claiming to be a girl competing against girls.

00:41:11.740 And obviously this person has gone through male puberty and, um, has the long legs and

00:41:19.540 musculature of a sophomore boy had a jump of five feet, one and three quarters inch.

00:41:27.920 And with that beat out other contenders at the meet held this past week at Plymouth state

00:41:33.040 university.

00:41:34.280 Um, this person has competed in four regular season meets this season and has earned a first

00:41:39.300 place finish every single time.

00:41:43.000 It's amazing how easy it is for the boys to meet, to beat the girls at their sports.

00:41:50.000 Um, the school, as I understand, it does not require anything of the male athletes to play

00:41:56.680 with the girls, no testosterone lowering.

00:41:59.560 No, it has to be a prepubescent boy, at which point they don't have an advantage over girls,

00:42:04.460 um, post puberty, full testosterone.

00:42:07.120 No problem.

00:42:08.680 Welcome to the girls sports.

00:42:10.120 And the school has responded to the controversy that ensued by saying, we support all students

00:42:15.900 and student athletes, regardless of their gender identity.

00:42:18.680 Each student athlete has the right to compete in the activity of their choice.

00:42:24.520 I find that so blatantly dishonest.

00:42:28.260 They, except for biological girls, they are not being protected.

00:42:32.520 You know, there was, um, no shortage of articles leading up to this event where this student

00:42:39.840 was competing against the girls that were all headlined.

00:42:43.160 He's expected to, sorry, this student is expected to win.

00:42:48.040 You don't say really, you don't say.

00:42:51.940 So the clearance level for the jump for biological girls is five feet, one inch for biological boys.

00:42:59.040 It's five feet, eight inches to six feet, one inch.

00:43:04.380 So, you know, Martina Navratilova had it right.

00:43:08.520 She tweeted that she is so sick of biological males who are failing at their own sports

00:43:15.720 against their own biological gender, defaulting to girls sports in order to win.

00:43:23.140 And, um, everybody's let these girls down, including their, their, their school.

00:43:28.920 In particular, if I were a parent of a young girl at that school, I would be aflame with

00:43:33.740 indignation.

00:43:34.580 Yeah.

00:43:34.860 I would not let my daughter play.

00:43:36.420 I would not let her play on a team opposite this player.

00:43:41.000 And if they tried to put a male on her team, my daughter plays soccer, I would pull my daughter.

00:43:45.740 I, it would be very hard because she loves soccer.

00:43:47.760 I would not want her to suffer that penalty, but I'm, there's no way I would endanger her

00:43:52.500 or subject her to this unfairness.

00:43:54.360 And until more parents start doing that, it's going to continue.

00:43:57.780 Not one of these parents stood up and said, this is wrong.

00:44:02.700 I do not support this.

00:44:04.220 I want my daughter to compete only against girls.

00:44:07.380 You know, I feel like they live in New Hampshire.

00:44:10.220 It's very blue.

00:44:12.040 You, if you speak up, you're immediately tired of transphobe.

00:44:15.460 I think the needle is beginning to shift a little bit.

00:44:18.960 You know, the New York times running that piece about a couple of weeks ago in which they talked

00:44:23.900 the, the, I think it was Pamela Paul talked to D transitioners who said I was medicalized

00:44:28.900 as a child.

00:44:29.480 I was given a double mastectomy.

00:44:31.400 I was a kid.

00:44:32.600 I was confused.

00:44:34.400 I was put on this fast track.

00:44:36.820 I was told by people smarter than me in the medical field.

00:44:40.640 What was wrong with me?

00:44:42.100 They overstep the concerns of parents who want to slow walk anything like that.

00:44:48.600 And it's going to take the, those sort of stories printed in those sort of outlets accepted

00:44:58.140 by the sort of woke karate of this country, um, who are sacrificing, you know, the, like your point about

00:45:07.020 your daughter, like the idea that she would have to sacrifice something she loves because the adults

00:45:12.420 in charge can't do the right thing.

00:45:15.700 We all know what's going on.

00:45:17.640 That's right.

00:45:18.040 The school is too afraid to protect the girls.

00:45:21.480 And then the, the icing on the cake is in nine times out of 10 in these situations, you get

00:45:27.480 some line about how, well, the girls have no problem with it.

00:45:30.500 The girls were so nice to the trans student and so loving and supportive.

00:45:35.820 Okay.

00:45:36.320 Maybe there are a couple like Megan Rapinoe who just refused to see that there's a problem.

00:45:40.260 She keeps saying, where are all the boys who are taking the girls medals?

00:45:43.920 They're right here, right here, Megan.

00:45:45.980 I got yet another one for you, but the vast majority of these girls I've marked money are afraid.

00:45:52.440 They're not going to say anything.

00:45:53.820 They need their moms and dads and teachers and superintendents to protect them.

00:45:59.120 And they're too weak.

00:46:00.820 They're too afraid.

00:46:02.720 And the coaches and whatever athletic governing bodies, there was a group of, I believe it was

00:46:07.340 swimmers.

00:46:08.340 It was high school or college.

00:46:10.140 And they began speaking out and they said, we were told that if we were anything other

00:46:15.760 than welcoming and kind and self-sacrificing, that we were the problem that we had to quiet

00:46:24.900 down and watch as all of our sacrifice and hard work and our love of this sport have just

00:46:30.540 been eradicated.

00:46:31.600 I can't think of anything more soul crushing.

00:46:34.300 And, you know, I think in 10 to 20 years, we'll look back on this moment as, as a kind

00:46:38.920 of particular madness.

00:46:40.620 This is just to add to it.

00:46:42.960 Another piece of their statement.

00:46:44.940 This is from the New Hampshire Interscholastic Athletic Association.

00:46:48.760 Listen to what they say.

00:46:50.780 Okay.

00:46:52.260 As a school community, parents and guardians, faculty, staff, and peers, we celebrate student

00:46:56.320 success and personal growth on and off the field.

00:46:59.580 We firmly believe in guiding each student to become caring, compassionate people who contribute

00:47:07.160 positively to the world and those around them.

00:47:10.060 That's what they think sports are about.

00:47:13.520 I'm sorry, but it's not really about raising a caring, compassionate girl out on that playing

00:47:20.460 field.

00:47:20.960 You need a champion, a competitor, someone who understands fairness.

00:47:26.000 Caring and compassion is what you talk about when someone in your class had a death in the

00:47:30.180 family or they're getting bullied or they're going through something.

00:47:33.100 But you don't have to be taught you must be caring and compassionate when your medals and

00:47:38.840 your chance to win is being stolen from you when it's being stolen.

00:47:43.560 Agreed.

00:47:44.020 And you have a short window.

00:47:45.520 And, you know, we talk about this a lot.

00:47:47.860 Where is where is the sort of comparable number of biological female athletes clamoring to get

00:47:55.260 in to compete against biological male athletes?

00:47:57.900 Once again, the women's instinct is to not make waves.

00:48:03.580 Those are women.

00:48:04.960 Right.

00:48:05.180 But but also they know like you're not going to be able to compete against a biological

00:48:08.520 male.

00:48:08.920 They know that I'm going to be able to do it.

00:48:10.320 I'm just saying there you don't have a rash of stories of these women trying to take over

00:48:14.300 in men's spaces or men's sports or of any kind.

00:48:16.660 It's the men posing as women who are causing problems.

00:48:20.720 I just like not all of them.

00:48:22.360 Like Caitlyn Jenner has been an absolute delight.

00:48:24.520 I have to say, I love what Caitlyn's done in his space and Caitlyn's really spoken out

00:48:29.020 on a lot of these issues.

00:48:30.320 But so many, the vast majority of these problems are guys taking advantage of girl sports and

00:48:35.340 girl spaces, trying to get into girl spaces.

00:48:37.300 You don't hear about the women trying to go into the guy's spaces, even the guy's locker

00:48:41.100 rooms and making them feel uncomfortable.

00:48:43.540 Number one, I don't think they're autogynophiles files as a rule.

00:48:47.200 The women who want to dress like men, they're not getting off on their situation.

00:48:52.060 Um, and I just feel like it's doesn't come as any surprise to me that the women, once

00:48:57.360 again, are not causing waves.

00:48:58.620 They're not making waves.

00:48:59.900 I know there's only a couple, you know, I think I don't understand why there hasn't been

00:49:04.240 some sort of, um, agreement that, you know, okay, let's take biological males who identify

00:49:11.700 as females and want to compete in sport and figure out a way for them to compete against

00:49:16.060 each other.

00:49:16.580 It would be hard because there are not that many, despite all of these stories that we

00:49:21.800 hear.

00:49:22.820 But if they were really invested in fairness, again, why do the women have to default to

00:49:28.360 this idea of fairness that is inherently unfair, you know, unfair.

00:49:32.960 You know what else?

00:49:33.760 If all these girls are really so supportive as these schools want us to believe, then the

00:49:38.240 girls will run in the open.

00:49:40.200 Tell the girls that they can run and tell the boys too, that they can run both in the gender

00:49:44.600 of their actual sex and they can run in the open to make it more competitive and more

00:49:50.100 fair for the trans students.

00:49:51.860 If you really believe that, then make it possible.

00:49:55.220 They won't.

00:49:55.840 These girls won't do it because they secretly don't support this.

00:49:59.660 They're just too afraid to say it every day.

00:50:03.140 We cover another one of these stories.

00:50:04.240 All right.

00:50:04.420 Maureen stays with us.

00:50:05.220 And up next is our favorite segment.

00:50:06.900 We're going to get to the Royal rebrand, how Megan and Harry are celebrating.

00:50:10.760 You guessed it themselves again, that's next.

00:50:15.920 Don't go away.

00:50:20.360 The Royals, everyone's favorite Royals, the Sussexes are added again with a rebrand.

00:50:28.320 They've launched a new website.

00:50:31.140 And the reason that it's making news is because we see, we get a window into how the couple

00:50:37.220 sees themselves.

00:50:38.440 They insist they are, quote, shaping the future through business and philanthropy.

00:50:46.780 The about page reads the office of Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

00:50:52.360 I thought we hated royal life.

00:50:54.320 And then they go on to talk about themselves.

00:50:57.840 I'll give you a couple highlights.

00:51:00.180 He is someone.

00:51:02.360 OK, give him this one.

00:51:04.080 Served 10 years in the British Armed Forces.

00:51:06.100 Check.

00:51:06.340 New York Times bestselling author of Spare, a memoir of his life told with compassion,

00:51:13.080 vulnerability and unflinching honesty.

00:51:16.860 And she is the Duchess of Sussex is a feminist and champion of human rights and gender equality.

00:51:27.040 Don't forget family care.

00:51:28.780 Family care.

00:51:29.320 That was in there.

00:51:29.680 That's big.

00:51:30.380 Big, big with her.

00:51:31.360 I'm trying to figure out.

00:51:34.140 It's sort of the rebrand to the rebrand to the rebrand to the rebrand.

00:51:37.680 And the link is Sussex dot com, which also then links to Sussex royal dot com, which the Queen told them to stop using immediately when she was still alive.

00:51:50.060 So this all feels sort of in line with I don't know if you saw it, but a couple of days after Prince Harry was sort of shunted back to the United States after his very brief summit with Prince Charles.

00:52:06.520 30 minutes.

00:52:07.080 Megan was shot by the paparazzi in her Range Rover, like smiling dementedly like this week had been such a great win for them.

00:52:17.640 This week you're talking about when he went over there to see his father cancer diagnosis.

00:52:21.020 Yeah, I did not see that.

00:52:21.940 So she's like got this wide smile and she's driving and it's like this week went great for them as if brand Sussex had not been thoroughly shut out by the royals in a week in which Charles is esteemed biographer.

00:52:40.220 Well sourced basically Charles feeding was told that the visit was actually tolerated and not really wanted, that he sort of barged his way in there, that it wasn't that dire of a diagnosis, that he had just begun treatment.

00:52:59.420 He had his plans and his schedule.

00:53:02.020 And if you think about if you've ever known anybody who's had a catastrophic illness, really the priority is what that person wants, not what the loved ones feel they must do.

00:53:12.260 And then so suddenly the headline became Harry rushes home and it makes it look dire.

00:53:18.340 It makes it look like he has access.

00:53:20.580 And, you know, the one piece of information we know that the royals do not want the gruesome twosome to have access to is what is really wrong with Kate Middleton.

00:53:31.080 Because that seems to be something quite serious.

00:53:35.180 That that's also bizarre.

00:53:36.340 I mean, I everyone continues to speculate.

00:53:38.960 What is it that puts a healthy woman who is with 42?

00:53:42.300 Yeah.

00:53:42.620 In the hospital for almost two weeks.

00:53:45.180 They say it's not cancer.

00:53:47.180 What is it?

00:53:48.100 What happened to her?

00:53:49.160 Why won't they tell us?

00:53:50.120 It's very strange.

00:53:51.300 But you're right.

00:53:51.900 The last thing in the world they'd want is for Harry and Megan to get wind of any of it.

00:53:57.440 So he was there all told with his father for what, 45 minutes?

00:54:00.760 Maybe that was what we initially thought.

00:54:02.780 It might be more like 30 minutes.

00:54:04.760 And within two seconds, it was leaked to the press that he was on his way back to England.

00:54:08.780 It was also leaked to the press that he would welcome a meeting with William.

00:54:13.320 Sure.

00:54:14.060 So the leaks of the paltry amounts of information and access they have were already happening.

00:54:20.020 There was no sort of I'm going to rebuild this with you.

00:54:23.540 I'm going every I'm a vault.

00:54:25.300 So what do you think this means for when William becomes king?

00:54:29.940 I think we got a preview of what Harry and Megan's life is going to be like under a King William.

00:54:36.860 I think it'd be the fifth, perhaps.

00:54:38.860 I think they'll be completely shut out.

00:54:40.820 They will not be welcome.

00:54:42.160 If they come back for something ceremonial.

00:54:44.860 I mean, if they were to come back for hopefully this is long in the offing.

00:54:47.880 Charles's funeral, for example, one would imagine they would be seated way back in the second or third row, hidden behind some plumage as they were at the coronation.

00:54:58.480 How could we forget?

00:54:59.820 That's right.

00:55:00.340 Yeah.

00:55:00.940 So I think, you know, that was the message could not have been clearer to Harry and Megan.

00:55:06.220 You are not needed, nor are you wanted.

00:55:10.140 And I think that this rebrand is a direct reaction to that because they're all they're just those two are like all in.

00:55:17.500 They're just reactionary.

00:55:18.880 They cannot seem to process information and move forward in a strategic way.

00:55:24.560 Instead, we get this lengthy CV about what incredible, accomplished people they are with nothing in there other than his military service, which I'll give him nothing in there.

00:55:35.460 She's touting how she guest edited British Vogue in July 2019.

00:55:40.540 That was when they were at their height of popularity, which was the fastest selling copy in the magazine's history.

00:55:47.560 OK, that.

00:55:48.620 All right.

00:55:49.280 That's I would fact check that.

00:55:50.640 I don't know that I buy that.

00:55:51.500 Um, they, um, the, the descriptions on themselves, we've got to go over, but a point on what you just said, their problems, not branding.

00:56:00.720 That's not it.

00:56:01.680 It's not.

00:56:02.440 Oh, we ruined Sussex Royals.

00:56:04.780 We've got it to come up with just Sussex dot us.

00:56:08.000 Your problem's not about your brand name.

00:56:10.320 It's about what you've done to the brand that was given to you.

00:56:14.400 Sussex, by the way, some of their defenders are like, that's their last name.

00:56:17.400 Isn't their last name Mountbatten-Windsor is that's, that's the last name of Charles and William and Harry.

00:56:24.260 I like, does your last name change into the Duke area?

00:56:29.200 You are, you control.

00:56:30.560 I don't know.

00:56:31.200 In any event, she claims to be a feminist.

00:56:34.760 And I have to pause here because I realize she wants us to believe this Maureen, but you and I have been watching her ridiculous podcast and behavior and attacks on Kate Middleton long enough to know she's a feminist only so long as it helps her look good.

00:56:51.480 But that whole Omid Scobie book is, we believe, Meghan Markle feeding him the nastiest things we've ever read about Kate Middleton.

00:57:01.840 Not only Kate, but, you know, and she, she, she, she slid the knife.

00:57:06.840 And during that Oprah interview with the weighty Katie, she said that and Kate made me cry.

00:57:11.260 Um, but if you're such a feminist, what about showing reverence and, um, true appreciation for the queen who gave her life?

00:57:24.040 She didn't ask for it.

00:57:25.440 She was born into it.

00:57:26.480 She took it with the utmost seriousness.

00:57:28.420 And instead we got that deep mocking curtsy in the Netflix special that just oozed contempt and ridicule.

00:57:37.700 She's not a feminist.

00:57:38.980 She's as much of a feminist as she is someone who's very invested in whatever the term family care means.

00:57:44.680 I've never heard it.

00:57:45.560 I don't know what it means.

00:57:46.940 I don't know if it's a public policy pronouncement.

00:57:49.580 I don't know.

00:57:50.260 But if you're, if you consider family care successfully severing all ties to your own family of origin,

00:57:57.600 save your mother and successfully severing your husband's ties to his family of origin,

00:58:02.840 one of a historic lineage that you were depriving your children of ever knowing then sure.

00:58:07.620 You're, you're, you're great at family.

00:58:08.940 You got it.

00:58:09.800 She, um, accused Kate of having baby brain.

00:58:13.240 She called her rigid, pointed out how formal she is versus Megan.

00:58:17.220 Who's a hugger.

00:58:18.440 And then came the Omid Scobie.

00:58:20.760 He's their stenographer book outright calling Kate cold and saying she ignored Megan's desperate pleas for help.

00:58:28.360 And by the way, um, Valentine low, who's the biographer, he has documented and not just him,

00:58:37.140 but there have been a few biographies, uh, zeroing in on Megan's behavior, the amount of staff.

00:58:42.820 She's chased out all women, how she made them cry, her tantrums, um, her tirades, young women being broken,

00:58:52.200 uh, by her and her and her husband's behavior.

00:58:56.160 How is that in any way, a feminist trying to lift up the young women?

00:58:59.760 I mean, at least people like, I don't call myself a feminist.

00:59:03.480 I, I treat everybody the same.

00:59:05.180 If you're good, you'll get praised.

00:59:06.600 If you're shitty, I'm going to say something about it.

00:59:08.540 But she wants us to believe she would never, she only lifts up the young women.

00:59:12.880 Well, she also wants us to believe she's a foremost advocate for mental health,

00:59:15.980 which there's no better way to break someone's mental health and abuse them at work

00:59:19.140 and make them feel like they're going to lose their job and reputation at any given moment.

00:59:23.580 You know, so it's, um, it's fantastic.

00:59:26.200 And I also, when you, you mentioned the, um, the Vogue that she edited, whatever, in quotes.

00:59:33.240 Um, but I, I, I was thinking about the most recent British Vogue cover,

00:59:38.920 which has all of these female legends on it.

00:59:42.400 And they gathered in one space in London, which is incredibly hard to logistically do.

00:59:48.520 So you got Victoria Beckham, Oprah Winfrey, Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell,

00:59:53.820 you know, I think there were 50 women.

00:59:56.180 It was a tribute issue to the editor-in-chief, Edward Enifel, who is leaving,

01:00:00.660 who edited that issue with Megan.

01:00:02.980 He invited her.

01:00:04.700 Absent on this cover is one Megan Markle.

01:00:08.960 I think there were ashtrays at dawn in Montecito when she saw that cover

01:00:14.100 and realized she had not been invited.

01:00:16.560 And you were pointing out that's not the only snub that these two have received lately.

01:00:22.220 Right.

01:00:22.840 So, um, I was watching the Superbowl and the ad that came on for the T-Mobile audition ad,

01:00:29.840 which has some big, big stars in it.

01:00:31.680 Bradley Cooper, Laura Dern, the two guys from Suits.

01:00:36.120 I don't know their names.

01:00:37.220 I've never seen the show, but I-

01:00:38.660 Those two cute guys from Suits.

01:00:40.600 Suits, exactly.

01:00:41.900 And I thought to myself, Megan Markle must be watching this going,

01:00:45.440 why wasn't my agent called?

01:00:47.320 Why didn't I get that call?

01:00:49.160 Why aren't I in Taylor Swift's box?

01:00:51.920 Yeah.

01:00:52.180 She wanted Taylor Swift on her podcast.

01:00:53.860 Do you remember?

01:00:54.460 Oh, that's right.

01:00:54.920 She wrote her a handwritten letter.

01:00:57.380 She got no response.

01:00:58.640 I forgot it.

01:00:59.500 She must be asking herself.

01:01:00.560 This is one of my new favorite buttons on my serious thing.

01:01:03.200 She must be asking herself the following question,

01:01:05.660 because this is how Megan Markle sees every situation.

01:01:08.280 It's all about me.

01:01:15.820 Reese Witherspoon and Legally Blonde.

01:01:18.260 Oh, I thought it was election.

01:01:20.000 No, no.

01:01:20.660 It's where she finds out she made the internship.

01:01:23.280 Me.

01:01:24.400 That's how she lives her life.

01:01:25.560 Last but not least, Sonny Hostin of The View,

01:01:30.260 who's constantly raging about race and reparations

01:01:34.040 and how bad America is and his racial past

01:01:36.640 and all this stuff,

01:01:37.560 goes on the Henry Louis Gates,

01:01:39.540 it's PBS, I think, show about your history

01:01:42.480 and finds out that she's,

01:01:45.340 this is fantastic,

01:01:47.020 she is descended from slaveholders.

01:01:51.720 She's descended from slaveholders

01:01:53.740 and she's been apparently getting a lot of mail

01:01:57.240 about her call for reparations

01:01:59.700 because it turns out she's going to be paying them

01:02:01.900 and not actually receiving them.

01:02:04.700 So here's what she said

01:02:06.200 when she went out on The View and addressed it.

01:02:08.440 Watch this.

01:02:09.560 I was really reluctant to do it

01:02:11.060 because I just sensed that there could be something

01:02:15.880 in my family history that would be disappointing.

01:02:20.240 But what I found out was that my mother's family,

01:02:23.520 while they are Puerto Rican,

01:02:26.180 they actually originate from Spain.

01:02:27.820 And the reason that they moved to Puerto Rico

01:02:30.880 is because the slave trade

01:02:32.560 had been sort of canceled in Spain

01:02:35.580 and then Curacao

01:02:36.420 and then they moved all of their slaves to Puerto Rico.

01:02:40.020 And so the family business,

01:02:41.740 I had been told that they were printers and journalists,

01:02:44.680 but they were in fact enslavers.

01:02:46.560 At first I was deeply disappointed.

01:02:49.320 The slave thing is a bummer.

01:02:50.900 It's a bummer.

01:02:51.480 And I still believe in reparations, by the way,

01:02:56.500 so y'all can stop texting me and emailing me

01:02:59.080 and saying that I'm a white girl

01:03:00.380 and that I don't deserve reparations.

01:03:03.860 Okay.

01:03:04.760 I'm not going to text you or email you,

01:03:06.520 but it's true.

01:03:08.400 I guess there's nothing worse

01:03:09.600 than to find out you're a white woman.

01:03:11.340 She's so disappointed.

01:03:12.520 It's really disappointing.

01:03:13.760 Her mother was white.

01:03:14.740 Oh my God.

01:03:15.540 The shame.

01:03:16.020 Oh my God.

01:03:16.900 The horror.

01:03:17.640 Oh my God.

01:03:18.120 You know, the other thing about this

01:03:19.400 is just so fascinating to me.

01:03:20.680 She's talking about her ancestors

01:03:22.380 migrating from Spain to Puerto Rico

01:03:25.400 because of the slave trade.

01:03:28.820 What goes on in America,

01:03:30.360 you would think we were the only country on earth

01:03:32.660 to have ever had slavery.

01:03:34.880 This is endemic to the human condition.

01:03:37.560 It really is.

01:03:38.960 And Sunny Hostin, I'm sure is disappointed.

01:03:41.900 She's the self-appointed expert

01:03:43.920 of all things Black America on The View.

01:03:46.600 You would not know there was another Black woman

01:03:48.120 on that panel.

01:03:48.900 Yeah.

01:03:49.120 Or a Latina woman on that panel.

01:03:50.960 She is self-appointed.

01:03:52.300 She knows everything.

01:03:53.880 It's great to see her ego take this hit,

01:03:56.340 but I think it will be short-lived.

01:03:57.840 It's amazing to listen to her talk about,

01:04:00.360 okay, she says,

01:04:01.080 my mother really identified as Puerto Rican,

01:04:03.360 but she wasn't.

01:04:04.620 She wasn't.

01:04:05.460 She was Spanish and she was white.

01:04:08.020 She was part of the civil rights movement.

01:04:09.900 She was deeply ingrained in Black culture.

01:04:12.480 She identified herself as Black race,

01:04:16.140 but Hispanic for ethnicity,

01:04:17.440 but it turns out her race is white.

01:04:19.760 She's European.

01:04:20.600 So she was a poser.

01:04:22.040 She was at Rachel Dolezal,

01:04:23.680 is what you're saying.

01:04:24.380 I was just going to say that.

01:04:25.140 Didn't she also say her mother had blonde hair

01:04:26.780 and blue eyes?

01:04:27.300 Yes.

01:04:27.500 That was the tip off?

01:04:28.880 Yes.

01:04:29.240 That something might be amiss?

01:04:30.800 And she always suspected

01:04:32.220 because of the blonde hair and the light eyes.

01:04:34.680 Inside, I sort of knew this was my history.

01:04:37.100 That's probably why I didn't want to do it.

01:04:39.520 Right.

01:04:39.900 The shame of coming from a white person.

01:04:42.660 The horror.

01:04:43.460 Who can talk like this?

01:04:44.920 Can you imagine if I went on with Henry Louis Gates

01:04:47.760 and he told me that I have Black members of my family

01:04:50.820 and I was like,

01:04:51.640 I'm deeply disappointed and ashamed.

01:04:54.660 Can you imagine the reaction?

01:04:56.580 How dare she talk about white people like this?

01:04:58.480 She gets away with it.

01:04:59.920 Well, you know what?

01:05:00.800 I would love for her to maybe have Hilaria Baldwin on

01:05:05.220 who still continues to identify as Spanish.

01:05:08.720 She identifies as malty.

01:05:11.520 And they can maybe talk about the elastic bonds

01:05:15.380 between DNA and what one would like to identify as.

01:05:19.800 Yeah.

01:05:20.100 I'm sure Sunny Hostet is just fine

01:05:22.220 with anybody out there who wants to identify as Black

01:05:25.120 in their applications to Harvard,

01:05:27.820 which, by the way, is where her son goes.

01:05:29.960 And she lives in a multi-million dollar estate.

01:05:32.880 We have the pictures here from magazine shoots she did not long ago.

01:05:36.300 And she makes millions of dollars on The View,

01:05:39.060 but she still wants your reparations.

01:05:42.380 Okay.

01:05:43.000 You need to be paying for that kitchen

01:05:45.040 because I don't know why.

01:05:47.640 Because she owned slaves?

01:05:49.980 I don't know why.

01:05:51.280 Someone in her family?

01:05:52.440 Oh, okay.

01:05:53.220 That will wrap today's segment on Sunny Hostet.

01:05:55.940 Maureen, so much fun.

01:05:57.520 So much fun as always, Megan.

01:05:58.700 Thanks for having me on the snow day.

01:06:00.680 Right.

01:06:01.020 You're a trooper.

01:06:02.280 Hardcore.

01:06:03.560 Old school.

01:06:04.440 All right.

01:06:04.580 When we come back, speaking of trooper and hardcore,

01:06:06.400 Drea DeMatteo, Christopher.

01:06:10.040 You remember, right, from The Sopranos?

01:06:11.900 She's amazing.

01:06:12.640 And she's here.

01:06:13.540 She's got a lot of thoughts.

01:06:14.800 And we're going to go there.

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01:07:19.760 Today, I am thrilled to be joined by a face and name many of you may know

01:07:23.540 from the iconic TV series The Sopranos, among her other work.

01:07:28.480 Drea DeMatteo starred as Adriana and captured the attention and love of millions, including

01:07:35.200 yours truly.

01:07:36.420 She has starred in numerous other TV shows and films, including Sons of Anarchy, Desperate

01:07:40.860 Housewives, and many, many more.

01:07:42.720 But her talents go beyond acting.

01:07:45.180 She is a freedom fighter and founder of the apparel company Ultra Free.

01:07:50.460 We'll get to that.

01:07:51.820 Drea, so nice to have you.

01:07:53.220 Welcome to the show.

01:07:53.960 Hi.

01:07:55.160 Oh, my God.

01:07:55.680 I wish that I could have been in person with you to give you a hug because I love you so

01:08:00.080 much.

01:08:01.080 Oh, gosh.

01:08:01.940 To be continued.

01:08:02.560 I'll take a rain check on it.

01:08:03.600 We got to do it.

01:08:04.720 Okay.

01:08:05.120 So, let's start with The Sopranos, okay?

01:08:08.360 Because I fell in love with you, like so many others, watching you on that show.

01:08:13.040 And I've put together a compilation of what I remember you for more than anything.

01:08:18.280 Here it is, Sot 20.

01:08:19.620 Christopher, you gave Crystal meth to his daughter.

01:08:22.160 Chrissy.

01:08:22.840 Almost got killed, Christopher.

01:08:24.480 What's our future here, Christopher?

01:08:26.080 Thank you, Christopher.

01:08:27.820 Christopher doesn't want me working anymore.

01:08:29.660 Nothing was going on, Christopher.

01:08:32.060 Christopher?

01:08:33.320 Christopher.

01:08:35.280 I love you, Christopher.

01:08:36.860 You better.

01:08:37.680 Christopher!

01:08:38.500 She's not breathing!

01:08:39.860 It's your fucking eye, Christopher!

01:08:42.660 Christopher!

01:08:44.040 Oh, my God.

01:08:45.340 That was a loop of Christopher's.

01:08:48.060 I love it.

01:08:48.640 Oh, my God.

01:08:49.640 So, where are you from?

01:08:50.500 Where'd you get the accent?

01:08:51.840 I mean, I'm from New York.

01:08:53.280 I was born in Queens.

01:08:54.580 And when I went in for the audition, I didn't know it was a mafia drama.

01:09:00.160 I thought it was about opera singers.

01:09:01.940 So, you know, they always tell you to go in as a clean slate.

01:09:05.080 Don't be anything.

01:09:07.640 And I didn't get the part because I wasn't Italian enough.

01:09:11.760 Wait, this is unbelievable.

01:09:12.740 Did you actually think it was about opera singers?

01:09:14.440 I did.

01:09:14.700 Because it's the Sopranos?

01:09:15.580 And then the series would be the Altos?

01:09:17.580 Yeah.

01:09:18.180 It's like a cold read.

01:09:19.420 I thought it was a show about, I don't know, some singers.

01:09:21.560 Who the hell knows?

01:09:22.840 But no, it was not.

01:09:24.780 It was about the Sopranos.

01:09:26.960 And what was funny about that is I had a manager right beforehand who kind of dropped me and

01:09:32.140 said, you have the worst speaking voice ever.

01:09:34.480 It wasn't the accent.

01:09:35.820 Because I was like, is it because I have a New York accent?

01:09:38.500 And she's like, no, it's your speaking voice.

01:09:40.300 It's terrible.

01:09:41.200 And you'll never work in Hollywood.

01:09:42.900 And I go, so I'll take voice classes.

01:09:44.260 And she said, no, you should take opera classes.

01:09:47.660 And I said, what?

01:09:48.600 Fucking opera classes.

01:09:49.800 Are you crazy?

01:09:50.760 And she's like, yes, opera.

01:09:52.800 And then a week later, I booked the Sopranos.

01:09:55.780 I was like, who's singing now, bitch?

01:09:59.560 Wait a minute.

01:10:00.220 Did you ever take voice lessons?

01:10:01.760 Because the voice I hear here is absolutely lovely.

01:10:04.240 I can't imagine somebody objecting.

01:10:06.040 Well, thank you.

01:10:06.780 No, my voice was always super deep.

01:10:08.620 And I was a heavy smoker.

01:10:09.720 So it was really gravelly.

01:10:10.980 If you listen to my voice on the Sopranos too, very gravelly.

01:10:13.920 But when I start talking to Christopher, my voice is up here and I talk like this.

01:10:19.760 So you leaned in.

01:10:20.980 You leaned into the New York accent for the role.

01:10:23.280 Yes.

01:10:23.600 And I was raised in Queens, my grandma's house.

01:10:25.800 We went back and forth into Manhattan.

01:10:27.540 I come from a very Italian background.

01:10:29.340 And my two parents in particular did not want me to grow up in that world.

01:10:35.340 I think because my mom's dad was a mafia guy.

01:10:38.220 My dad's father was also.

01:10:40.080 So they didn't want me in that world.

01:10:42.040 I didn't know that much about it when I did the show.

01:10:44.480 I learned more about it as everybody started to die.

01:10:48.520 Wait, in your own family or on the show?

01:10:50.940 In my own family.

01:10:52.620 Oh, wow.

01:10:53.220 I knew some, but I didn't know how far it went.

01:10:56.780 You know what?

01:10:57.200 There's so many Italian-Americans who have like one step removed to the mafia.

01:11:02.260 And it explains in part the love affair we have with them.

01:11:05.840 But then also, you know, you get to the hardcore realities and not so much.

01:11:09.400 Yeah, it's true.

01:11:10.800 And it's, yeah.

01:11:12.540 And, you know, we had a lot, we caught a lot of heat from the defamation societies,

01:11:17.040 the Italian defamation society.

01:11:18.960 I mean, if they did anything, they brought us more press.

01:11:21.100 But it definitely was a lot to deal with during the time of the show.

01:11:27.160 But my parents were always the anti-defamation because they felt so secure in being Italian

01:11:34.340 and they loved their heritage.

01:11:36.460 And even the genre, my mom was a writer, so she understood the writing.

01:11:40.480 And there were a lot of politics around the show at that time because it was not PC.

01:11:46.000 It really just took all the risks, something that we won't see right now.

01:11:52.060 Yeah.

01:11:52.420 No, there's no risk taking.

01:11:53.800 And people are too afraid.

01:11:54.940 We're talking about that in our last segment.

01:11:56.740 You, I got to ask you about James Gandolfini.

01:11:58.660 I mean, one of the greats.

01:12:00.020 How was your experience with him?

01:12:01.580 What was he like?

01:12:02.260 He was fantastic.

01:12:03.760 He, you know, I never got that close.

01:12:05.760 We partied a lot together.

01:12:06.960 All of us did when we would go do signings and stuff.

01:12:09.920 But, I mean, the quintessential Jim story is everybody's getting a big, you know,

01:12:16.260 everybody's getting a big piece of the pie on the back end of the show.

01:12:19.680 But the actors were still just, you know, we weren't making the same kind of money.

01:12:24.240 And he called everybody separately into his trailer to give them each a $30,000 check when they made a DVD deal with him.

01:12:34.380 And they didn't make a DVD deal with the rest of the cast.

01:12:37.020 We didn't get residuals because it wasn't a part of the structure yet at cable television because the cable TV wasn't a thing.

01:12:47.640 It was brand new.

01:12:48.620 And we really crushed down those doors and changed TV forever.

01:12:52.980 And, you know, I guess we were the beginning of the end because now TV is terrible again.

01:12:57.420 Yeah, no, you're right.

01:12:58.680 They don't they don't take the same risks.

01:13:00.220 Yeah, I've got to ask you because I noticed, obviously, we'll talk about it.

01:13:03.780 But you you describe yourself still as a as liberal or but like you pushing back on your party for having lost its footing.

01:13:12.060 You sound conservative in some ways.

01:13:14.280 And I noticed that Christopher, Michael, is it Imperioli, right?

01:13:21.120 He's more on the other side.

01:13:22.640 He's been making some statements that are pretty leftist.

01:13:25.700 So do you guys still stay in touch?

01:13:27.900 And is this caused any friction?

01:13:29.800 I actually am not in touch with Michael.

01:13:33.260 No, I I've heard that he has a lot of disdain for the right.

01:13:40.100 I I've heard that I don't listen.

01:13:44.880 I do consider myself.

01:13:46.680 I always have more more on the liberal side, but I guess because I never paid attention to politics in my life and I never I lived in a super literary world with my mom.

01:13:55.600 And and I always depended on the people that understood politics to make those decisions.

01:14:01.960 I lived in a bubble for the most part.

01:14:03.900 I didn't want to get involved.

01:14:04.960 I also never appreciated an actor who got on a soapbox and started preaching politics.

01:14:10.000 It always annoyed me.

01:14:11.180 It would also annoy me in music to a certain degree.

01:14:13.600 Like I was the biggest Neil Young fan that ever lived.

01:14:17.480 And I remember bringing someone to one of his shows and it turned into an observation of the amount of deaths and the propaganda.

01:14:25.700 And there was no concert to be seen or felt.

01:14:28.640 There was no vibe.

01:14:29.420 I wanted to hear the music and it just became a newsroom and it bummed me out.

01:14:33.780 So I've never been an outspoken person, although in 2010, my ex at the time made a made an album called Black Ribbons.

01:14:44.600 That is such an amazing album.

01:14:46.700 I think all your listeners, if there's rock and roll listeners here, would love this album.

01:14:50.600 And it's funny, Steven Spielberg narrate, Spielberg, I'm sorry, King, I'm losing my mind.

01:14:57.300 Steven King narrates it and it's all about the last night before the New World Order takes over.

01:15:04.620 And he's DJing from a pirated radio station and it's the last night before Freedom of Speech will be completely taken.

01:15:14.160 And he wanted to contribute to writing part of it.

01:15:17.440 Shooter wrote most of it, my ex.

01:15:20.020 And we did a music video.

01:15:21.080 Shooter Jennings.

01:15:21.700 Shooter Jennings, yeah.

01:15:23.780 And some people would know his grandfather, his father is Waylon Jennings.

01:15:27.600 So they're out, you know, they're considered the outlaws in the industry and Shooter very much is that way too.

01:15:33.500 And he's a country musician and he writes this rock and roll concept album about the New World Order and about a lot of conspiracies and things like that.

01:15:42.420 But I directed a music video with him about, it was called Summer of Rage.

01:15:48.080 You could find it online, but that was 2010.

01:15:52.880 And it's all about, and Shooter singing, you know, you and I, they'll vaccinate, building mass graves.

01:15:59.800 I mean, there's all of this stuff about it.

01:16:03.520 And one of his main songs on the album is Wake Up.

01:16:07.400 So that was during the Bush administration.

01:16:10.120 So we were anti what was happening then.

01:16:15.280 And then we all went to sleep.

01:16:17.140 You know, a Democrat comes in office and we all take a nap.

01:16:19.840 And I, and I felt that way when Trump was in office last year, last, the last, you know, whatever, the last run, the last administration.

01:16:31.700 I was like, look, the good thing is, because everyone was so angry.

01:16:34.580 I was like, everybody's awake.

01:16:36.300 Everyone's paying attention right now.

01:16:37.820 But I feel like when the Democrats come in, we all take a long nap, especially us liberals do.

01:16:42.500 And, but I was never political, so I never had a party.

01:16:47.000 So I guess I would have been considered more of a libertarian, like, just leave me alone kind of thing.

01:16:51.800 I'm not involved.

01:16:53.500 But when these last, you can be my party.

01:16:55.600 I call it the, I want to puke party.

01:16:57.680 I want, wait, the left party is the, I want to puke party.

01:17:02.620 Just, we don't have any labels.

01:17:04.720 We're the true no labels party where we don't really have fealty to anyone.

01:17:08.680 We just like good ideas and the government to leave us alone for the most part.

01:17:11.920 Yes.

01:17:12.680 And I think I found, like, with all of the conservatives out there in the last three years, it was the only safe place to go and find some semblance of truth.

01:17:23.500 For me, I felt more aligned with a lot of the things they were talking about.

01:17:31.060 However, there are some social issues that I would still stick to that were my old school issues.

01:17:37.200 But never condemning someone else for having a different opinion about something.

01:17:41.500 And that's something that I couldn't understand.

01:17:44.020 That was happening during the Trump administration.

01:17:46.060 And then it got worse, in my opinion, in the Biden administration.

01:17:49.000 I think people, I really do think that the left is way more just angry.

01:17:56.720 And this is supposed to be the hippies and the people that really do care about equality and inclusivity.

01:18:05.320 And then all of a sudden, they are the ones shutting everything down, shutting everyone out, condemning freedom of speech, condemning everything.

01:18:13.460 So, yeah, when you mentioned Michael, he was condemning some stuff on his Instagram feed that I noticed and, like, ivermectin.

01:18:24.300 And I thought that was irresponsible.

01:18:28.300 I never took a stand publicly about anything that I was doing until I had, listen, I still don't.

01:18:35.520 The more I learn about what's happening, the less I feel like I know.

01:18:39.860 And I rely on people like you who do this for a living to really bring it to the people.

01:18:49.340 I don't, I would never be a spokesperson for a drug.

01:18:54.840 I don't think it's, I just don't, I think it's irresponsible.

01:18:57.600 Yeah, I agree.

01:18:59.420 This is my, one of my problems with Travis Kelsey is he's out there pushing the Pfizer vaccine.

01:19:03.480 Meanwhile, these 17, 18 year old boys who look up to him have no idea, probably because the media has blacked it out for the most part,

01:19:10.300 that you take the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine and the boosters, you are severely increasing your risks,

01:19:16.680 in particular for myocarditis, something they tried to hide from us.

01:19:20.740 So I didn't see that on Travis Kelsey's commercial.

01:19:23.620 No, but, you know, you just see $20 million.

01:19:26.500 He's right.

01:19:29.300 You know, they own them now.

01:19:30.900 I don't know.

01:19:31.760 I, I, I mean, I've, I've heard, is that new that he's, um, that, that there is it, or this was back then.

01:19:39.060 No, he did it within the past year.

01:19:40.940 Oh, story this season.

01:19:41.980 So they're still trying to push that thing, which.

01:19:44.260 And he, I mean, look, this season is late enough in the game, so to speak, to use a metaphor he would understand for him to know better,

01:19:50.780 you know, at least to ask your advisor, is there anything controversial about me endorsing the Pfizer vaccine?

01:19:56.360 And I've heard a little, it's not to say it hasn't done any good.

01:19:59.320 I'm sure there are people that has helped, especially the elderly, but to be touting it in his role is to tout it to the young teenage and early 20s guys.

01:20:07.740 And that's dangerous.

01:20:08.800 There are risks for them that not everybody shares in.

01:20:11.160 Well, I'm really astounded how, you know, because I listened to so much news that is more on the conservative side now, and I don't pay as much attention anymore to the other side.

01:20:23.140 Um, I'm astounded at how none of my friends know the truth about what's happening.

01:20:29.420 My inbox is flooded with what's going on with the vaccine right now, and nobody knows the side effects, um, the long-term effects, what's happening to people this very moment, um, how it's, how it's manifesting in their bodies.

01:20:43.440 Now I also maybe go down too many really deep rabbit holes with some really intense doctors that are really, I don't, I'm not even talking about like McCullough or, um, I'm talking about some other, like, wow stuff.

01:20:58.860 That like all this kind of dark microscopy stuff, that's the stuff they're finding, just not even in the, in the vaccine, just in the environment right now.

01:21:08.680 It's like we're being bombarded and I feel like there's a war going on and no one sees it and no one knows it.

01:21:16.600 I feel like we've, it's, I feel like there's a hijacking that we're in the middle of.

01:21:21.140 And I don't know how to, I guess this is a, this is one of the things that has led you, as I understand it, to, to love RFKJ.

01:21:28.860 Yes, I love him.

01:21:30.860 And I, and it makes me sad to watch so many big, big news stations and big, um, some of the things that I have watched and like, even was I watching, I was watching, um, Michael Rappaport and, and Patrick, uh, that David, and I was watching Bill Maher talking to someone else.

01:21:50.320 I can't remember.

01:21:51.000 These are big, you know, big, high profile interviews and stuff.

01:21:54.660 He was the South Park guy.

01:21:56.640 I don't remember.

01:21:57.260 I mean, no, I didn't, I didn't hear that one.

01:22:00.160 I do want to hear that one.

01:22:01.180 I haven't seen that one, but what, what astounds me is they don't mention Kennedy when they talk about, um, Biden versus Trump.

01:22:08.860 No one even brings up Kennedy's name, which is so strange to me because forget about him as, as president right now at the moment, because I, I do feel like, you know, the rock star vote right now.

01:22:23.340 If you're going to go off to the other, you know, if you're a liberal and you're going to bend, you're going to still, I don't know if you're even going to go for Trump.

01:22:29.760 You might just not vote at all.

01:22:30.840 Um, I never voted in my entire life until I voted for Biden.

01:22:37.060 Wow.

01:22:37.860 In six, in, in 12, I mean, not 12, 20 and 20.

01:22:41.400 And I, you know, I didn't do my, I didn't do any, I got swept up in the emotion of it all, which is not like me at all because I don't, I never voted in my life.

01:22:52.140 My daughter at that time, I guess was like, you know, you're just going to have to pick the lesser of two evils.

01:22:57.640 And in my mind, I believe Trump was, and I'm a New Yorker, so I always loved Trump, you know, under the radar, always loved him.

01:23:06.060 I love how crass he is.

01:23:08.020 I just didn't think he had a voice, the voice to you, to unify people if the world was really on fire with this whole race issue and all the stuff that was going on at the time that I didn't really, I wasn't paying close enough attention to understand what was really happening.

01:23:23.160 And it was all super divisive and it was all by design and I wasn't, and I should have known that because I knew that back in the Bush administration.

01:23:30.580 But like I said, we all took a nap.

01:23:33.360 We were all sleeping.

01:23:34.640 I was definitely sleeping.

01:23:35.920 I don't know what I was focused on.

01:23:38.120 How are you feeling about the vote now?

01:23:40.580 Well, back to Kennedy.

01:23:42.060 I mean, I, I know he's running independent, which I think is super cool.

01:23:48.160 I don't think people are aware of him.

01:23:50.680 I feel like he's been completely shut out by the media.

01:23:54.160 The censorship is astounding to me.

01:23:56.500 I cannot believe the censorship that's happening in the world right now.

01:23:59.400 And I don't think that a lot of, even my super intellectual liberal, liberal friends, all my New Yorker friends, they're so busy working and taking care of what they need to take care of after the last three years of everything falling apart, that no one is paying attention to the fact that they don't even know that he exists.

01:24:16.920 And people have forgotten how much people even loved the Kennedys and their legacy and, you know, all of the stuff and how they were taken out and why they were taken out.

01:24:26.420 And no one asks questions anymore.

01:24:28.400 But with Kennedy, I feel like he is the voice of what all these old school liberals would have appreciated because he cares about the environment.

01:24:40.000 He'll, he'll sue everybody that is being wronged.

01:24:44.400 Um, he's fair, he's classy, he doesn't bad mouth people.

01:24:51.260 He's got a lot going for him that Trump does not.

01:24:54.960 But Trump's got this.

01:24:57.720 I mean, look, there's so many sides of me, you know, and I Adriana would vote for Trump.

01:25:03.560 Oh, 100% Adriana will vote for Trump from the grave, from the grave.

01:25:08.460 She got rid of her too soon.

01:25:11.400 Yeah.

01:25:12.200 But, um, I, you know, I would, I would love in a perfect world to see Trump and Kennedy together.

01:25:18.100 I feel like Kennedy can be a great voice where Trump sometimes loses it.

01:25:22.480 And then Trump is good muscle.

01:25:24.380 But I also think Kennedy's muscle too.

01:25:25.860 Did you see the report?

01:25:27.520 RFKJ is saying that the Trump team reached out to him and offered him the number two spot.

01:25:32.500 Trump denies it and that he rejected it saying he's not, he's not interested.

01:25:36.280 Did you see why?

01:25:36.920 Did you see what he said in an interview?

01:25:39.980 Is it because he's not anybody?

01:25:41.440 Oh, because of his wife, because of his wife.

01:25:43.080 I know.

01:25:43.480 Yeah, that she would divorce him.

01:25:45.340 But I wonder, like, I wonder, because this is, I'm really, this week is the first time

01:25:51.780 I'm being outspoken about anything.

01:25:53.320 So this is my big coming out party.

01:25:55.180 This is my big coming out party about, uh, about all of the, all of these issues.

01:25:59.180 I've been very afraid.

01:26:00.200 Um, so I wonder if she's afraid to even, I mean, how do you appreciate everything that

01:26:10.100 Kennedy stands for and knowing that, you know, Trump's anti-globalism, all of that stuff,

01:26:16.020 like the stuff that you can't talk about on TV, the words you can't say, like the deep

01:26:20.360 state.

01:26:20.640 I mean, how do you actually tackle any of these social issues without trying to cut

01:26:24.420 the head off the snake?

01:26:26.200 I feel like.

01:26:26.600 Well, you know, what's interesting is they say, there's a saying, and I think it's often

01:26:29.900 true more, more often than it's not, show me who you love and I'll show you who you are

01:26:34.100 and that it applies to politics too.

01:26:36.440 So the odds of Cheryl Hines having these vehemently opposed politics to what RFKJ, it's very slim.

01:26:43.740 I think she probably agrees with him on a lot, but she can't say it.

01:26:46.220 That's my guess.

01:26:46.920 It's just an opinion.

01:26:48.120 She can't say it because you understand this.

01:26:50.400 She wants to work in Hollywood.

01:26:51.680 She's on Larry David's show.

01:26:53.140 I know he's a leftist.

01:26:54.360 You have to be very careful threading that needle.

01:26:57.480 But even like an old Jewish guy, like Larry David, they're, they're filled with piss and

01:27:02.240 vinegar and they know the difference between right and wrong.

01:27:04.560 And a lot of this stuff is just so wrong, but I guess a lot of people aren't digging

01:27:09.420 deep enough to research what's really happening half the time and why it's happening.

01:27:15.940 It's funny.

01:27:16.780 I was on, I did Fox yesterday.

01:27:20.060 These are like, you know, a lot of my friends are like, Trey, what are you even doing?

01:27:25.400 I'm jumping around from like fashion publications.

01:27:28.700 Like this morning we were, we went to Vanity Fair and we were worried that they weren't going

01:27:32.320 to even have us because of Gutfeld last night because I made some, some crazy comments maybe.

01:27:39.020 But then I started getting an influx of text messages from friends that are secretly putting

01:27:45.020 out clothing lines under different names.

01:27:49.420 One of them is called, oh, sloppy tees.

01:27:53.940 And he's an actor.

01:27:54.860 And I mean, he's got a red make men great again, make a man a man again, all kinds of

01:28:03.580 things.

01:28:04.020 He goes, but Trey, I mean, the fact that you're even saying anything and being in Hollywood,

01:28:08.380 the bottom line is I didn't get vaccinated when that happened.

01:28:12.240 And my daughter said, asked me not to use a card because everyone's like, get a card,

01:28:16.480 just, you know, do what you got to do.

01:28:18.120 I had some people being like, you would actually get a card and, and get people sick and ruin

01:28:22.600 people's lives like that.

01:28:23.880 I would have never done it actually.

01:28:25.160 Cause I was petrified because I wasn't sure I wasn't the person with all the fucking answers

01:28:30.640 like everybody else was.

01:28:32.180 I was like, wait a minute.

01:28:33.340 Can everyone slow down and let's all research this thing together?

01:28:37.640 Like there's so much risk involved.

01:28:39.800 Why don't we want to know more?

01:28:41.680 Um, and also like my body, my choice.

01:28:44.220 I mean, you want to be a liberal, then you got to fucking follow your own playbook.

01:28:48.720 My body, my choice, get the fuck away from me.

01:28:51.500 So it's like me being pregnant and then being like, but you have to get an abortion.

01:28:56.600 Right.

01:28:57.280 No, I don't want to.

01:28:59.960 Um, that's how violated people felt.

01:29:02.460 So is it that, is it mainly the COVID thing and the overreach that's making you like RFKJ

01:29:07.040 or is it, what else is it?

01:29:08.560 Like, why else wouldn't you vote for Biden?

01:29:10.960 I mean, I have a, I mean, I could be here all day with that.

01:29:15.900 I mean, from, from the war, um, from Ukraine, Russia, and to me, it's just, I mean, Trump

01:29:23.460 being, you know, without being completely condemned nonstop and no one, this man, Biden's never held

01:29:29.180 accountable for any of the things that have gone down and that everyone has just swept

01:29:34.240 those situations under the rug, um, from, you know, all of the dealings with Ukraine and

01:29:41.500 2014.

01:29:44.140 Um, the, just the reality of each of the situations that have transpired while he's been in office,

01:29:50.520 um, the way he spoke to America that year that everybody got COVID and basically slamming

01:29:57.580 people for not getting vaccinated and threatening people's livelihoods and taking heroes and turning

01:30:05.480 them into zeros, the frontline workers and, and the police and, um, and for just pandering

01:30:12.000 to this ideology that came up during his whole administration, which I believe was all by

01:30:19.160 design just to weaken the nation as much as possible.

01:30:21.740 I mean, I, I really do think that there is a much bigger thing at play here.

01:30:27.380 These aren't really social issues he cares about.

01:30:29.900 My friends would, you know, Dre, I thought you were cool.

01:30:32.460 You were all about, you know, gay rights and abortion rights.

01:30:36.560 And I was like, and I still am, but this is an aberration.

01:30:40.960 This is not gay rights.

01:30:42.460 This man doesn't wake up in the morning and think, what can I do for the trans community?

01:30:45.860 He's thinking, how can I destroy this fucking country further for the unelected officials

01:30:50.740 behind me to be able to come in and offer a solution once they're completely at war with

01:30:55.920 each other?

01:30:57.120 Um, I just don't believe it anymore.

01:30:59.340 I don't believe any of it.

01:31:00.520 I don't think they don't, they don't care about abortion.

01:31:02.500 They don't care about women's rights.

01:31:04.500 They don't care if they cared about women's rights so much, then, okay, let's talk about

01:31:09.480 sports then.

01:31:10.240 Um, I mean, it's just also, they turned every issue that we fought for upside down.

01:31:17.660 Um, my daughter came to me and she was just like, so mom, seven month abortion, they're

01:31:24.540 handing hangers out at her school at the entrance to her school.

01:31:28.220 I go, babe, what's this?

01:31:29.240 And she handed to me and it's got a pamphlet on it.

01:31:31.340 And it's like all these gay boys hanging out these, handing out these pamphlets about

01:31:35.640 motherhood is, um, is slavery and forced enslavement and all this stuff.

01:31:41.520 And I'm just like, what is going on?

01:31:44.100 Like my great grandmother was, was the, um, the only abortionist in 1950s Harlem.

01:31:50.380 She was a midwife.

01:31:51.660 She didn't want to give abortions, but so many kids were, were killing themselves.

01:31:56.480 15 year old girls.

01:31:57.580 Um, my mom wrote about, my mom's a playwright.

01:31:59.980 She wrote a whole, a whole, a whole series about it and we sold it to HBO a while back,

01:32:05.660 but they were going to make it until they got greenlit on Boardwalk Empire.

01:32:09.920 They gave it back to us.

01:32:11.060 But I think it was mostly because it was just so controversial back then because the

01:32:16.420 administrations were different and these were the unspoken things.

01:32:20.060 But you know that if I tried to make that show today, they would go crazy over it because

01:32:25.140 everything is catering just to one side.

01:32:28.680 There's no equality.

01:32:30.000 I mean, all of this equality, but there is none because it's, it's catering to, you know,

01:32:35.820 a banking system at this point.

01:32:37.680 Well, and there's censorship, as you know.

01:32:39.200 I mean, I'm sure YouTube right at this second is slapping a warning label on our discussion

01:32:43.220 about the COVID vaccine.

01:32:44.740 Sorry.

01:32:44.920 No, I don't care.

01:32:45.820 It's, trust me, we've had a million discussions like this, but we have to have their little

01:32:49.420 warning label because they want people to refer to the CDC for truth and actual facts, right?

01:32:56.020 But I want to get this in because we can keep going after the SiriusXM show ends, but I want

01:33:01.080 the SiriusXM show audience to hear about Ultra Free because it sounds like a cool idea.

01:33:06.560 Like you're, you're actually trying to do something about your views and get it sort of your messaging

01:33:11.580 out there through apparel.

01:33:13.200 And that's perfect because you're beautiful and people would love to watch you model anything,

01:33:17.100 t-shirts or what have you.

01:33:18.280 So what are you doing?

01:33:19.380 Well, we start, I mean, listen, when the mandates happened, I had a pivot and I had to raise

01:33:25.120 money to start another company.

01:33:26.940 So we did that through OnlyFans, believe it or not.

01:33:30.960 And then my son is really into street, you know, streetwear, all the hype beast stuff.

01:33:36.160 So my boyfriend and I, Robbie Stabler, he's a drummer from All Them Witches because SiriusXM

01:33:41.640 is a music place.

01:33:42.560 Um, he's a creative director of his band and he does all the merch and he does all the

01:33:46.840 videos and we wanted to create a website and merch for the revolution.

01:33:53.220 This is what was in our mind.

01:33:54.560 We're, we want to, we want to wake the side up that's not awake yet.

01:34:01.300 Um, and we want to do it with fun art and, and merch and we, you know, our whole thing is

01:34:08.000 like huge labels.

01:34:09.500 It's going to be a very, um, it's very art based.

01:34:13.980 You know, we have crazy videos up there.

01:34:16.160 We might add a podcast to it.

01:34:17.900 I'm so scared, but I'm, I'm, I'm considering it one more time.

01:34:21.460 But after my last podcast, we were continuously censored also on, um, on YouTube.

01:34:27.240 I don't want to, I might not do YouTube.

01:34:29.740 I think maybe.

01:34:31.300 Yeah.

01:34:31.780 You can do rumble.

01:34:32.740 Yeah, I think rumble would be a better home for us, but, uh, the ultra free thing is,

01:34:37.900 is about, you know, if you're not going to say, you know, if, if you don't stand up for

01:34:41.120 something, what will you fall for?

01:34:42.920 Um, that's kind of the thing.

01:34:45.380 And it's, it's got a lot of humor in it too.

01:34:47.960 We're making, we're not making fun of anybody.

01:34:50.700 We're just making fun of the situation to a degree.

01:34:53.740 Um, but we want to get back to not being so caged in.

01:34:59.380 Everybody's so caged in.

01:35:00.460 I think everyone's tired of it.

01:35:01.920 I think everybody's tired of it.

01:35:03.620 I think we're, we're almost the same age.

01:35:05.600 And remember when we grew up, you could say what you wanted.

01:35:08.060 You could offend people.

01:35:09.480 Like we were talking about this with the Superbowl ads the other night.

01:35:11.560 They used to offend you and it was kind of fun.

01:35:13.300 It was fun and funny.

01:35:14.520 Now it's like, everybody's on eggshells.

01:35:16.060 Nobody wants to offend anybody.

01:35:17.760 It's like, why can't we?

01:35:19.420 We're Americans.

01:35:20.400 This is why we're the envy of the free world.

01:35:22.140 Cause you can come here.

01:35:23.040 You can say what you really think without being punished for it.

01:35:26.720 A hundred percent.

01:35:27.820 And that's, you know, we stand for freedom of speech, no censorship.

01:35:30.820 We're shadow banned on, on all the social media platforms.

01:35:35.300 Just for mentioning, just for posting one Tucker Carlson thing, one Kennedy thing, and for using

01:35:41.560 the word freedom and truth over and over again, I'm completely shadow banned.

01:35:45.680 What?

01:35:46.160 And I, I haven't done, I don't do anything on that, on that platform, but they got me.

01:35:52.400 It's really.

01:35:53.000 Well, how can people find it?

01:35:53.880 Like if they want to go support you at ultra free, what should we, where should they go?

01:35:56.720 Ultra free.co is our website.

01:35:59.360 Ultra free.co.

01:36:00.560 It's new.

01:36:01.180 There's going to be a lot of other things coming.

01:36:02.800 They're all going to be sort of limited edition, um, drops because we were making everything

01:36:07.220 at home, you know, but we're also going to be doing factory runs of other, other types

01:36:11.660 of things, but right now all the homemade stuff is, is up.

01:36:15.440 Um, and it's, you know, it's what we joke around that it's for protection.

01:36:18.880 You know, we have a lot of symbols and things on us and huge logos so that, you know, that

01:36:24.060 you're a part of the ultra free brigade.

01:36:26.160 It looks good for the listening audience.

01:36:28.120 She's got a very cool black sweatshirt on and it says ultra free and big block letters

01:36:31.160 on the arm.

01:36:32.100 I love it.

01:36:32.820 And I love this new version of you, Drea.

01:36:34.560 Speak out, say it loud.

01:36:36.160 What, you know, it's like, what do you have to lose?

01:36:37.800 I never wanted to be an actor who's doing it, but I feel like I don't have a choice

01:36:41.400 anymore.

01:36:42.860 There's so many on the other side.

01:36:44.500 I mean, that's why it's conservative celebrate when somebody who's even not conservative speaks

01:36:48.500 up out of the Hollywood industry to say, you know what?

01:36:51.360 I get you because we recognize it as an extreme act of courage.

01:36:55.320 That's what you've done.

01:36:56.420 That's what you'll continue to do.

01:36:58.180 Please come back.

01:36:58.920 You're the boss of that.

01:36:59.860 We'll do the next one in person.

01:37:00.820 Okay.

01:37:02.420 Aw.

01:37:02.940 Thank you.

01:37:03.440 Lots of love.

01:37:04.840 Take care.

01:37:05.900 Yeah, you too.

01:37:06.680 Oh, she's so fun, right?

01:37:08.060 Well, we'll do it longer the next time.

01:37:10.240 And tomorrow, Michael Knowles of The Daily Wire will be here.

01:37:13.060 So that will be fun as well.

01:37:14.620 We'll do the latest on Fannie Willis, something huge for Trump and the 2024 election.

01:37:22.180 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:37:24.320 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 13, 2024

Media's Biden Rescue, and Harry and Meghan's ＂Rebrand,＂ with Maureen Callahan, Plus Sopranos Star Drea de Matteo ｜ Ep. 723

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