The Megyn Kelly Show - Media's ＂October Surprise,＂ and Meghan's Relationship with Charles, with Emily Jashinsky, Eliana Johnson, and Christopher Anderson

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.500 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy November.

00:00:16.540 I hope you had a great Halloween last night. We'll give you an update a little later on how ours went. It was hilarious.

00:00:22.180 Today on the show, we've got a best-selling royal biographer whose new book dives into the breakdown of Charles' marriage with Diana, his affair with Camilla, and how Charles really feels about Meghan Markle.

00:00:34.980 This, as Ms. Markle plays the race card. We'll get to that.

00:00:40.520 But first, we are learning new details on the Paul Pelosi attack and the man expected to be formally arraigned today on charges of attempted murder and more.

00:00:48.480 Turns out, not only was he mentally ill, he was also, apparently in this country, illegally.

00:00:54.900 And as you know, California is a sanctuary state. Great place for him to choose.

00:00:59.600 Plus, a stunning new poll has just been released in the race for New York governor.

00:01:04.080 I mean, honestly, if you don't live in New York, maybe you don't care about what happens to the New York governor.

00:01:07.780 But this, if this happens, it is a huge political earthquake.

00:01:12.500 It tells you everything you need to know about the mood in the country when it comes to these two parties.

00:01:17.940 This is the first time we have seen the Republican, Lee Zeldin, in the lead, a Republican for New York, New York State.

00:01:28.920 All the statewide elections are driven by what happens in New York City, which is teeming with Democrats.

00:01:36.160 Or is it?

00:01:37.800 Joining me now, Emily Jashinsky, culture editor for The Federalist and co-host of the podcast Counterpoints with Ryan Grimm.

00:01:43.900 And Eliana Johnson, editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon, co-host of the podcast Ink Stained Wretches with Chris Steierwalt.

00:01:52.080 It's the day of the EJs.

00:01:58.060 Ladies, welcome back.

00:01:59.720 Happy November.

00:02:00.940 Yeah, happy November. I love November.

00:02:02.860 My birthday's in November. Thanksgiving's in November.

00:02:05.820 It's always like, especially with global warming, it's gotten a lot more pleasant weather-wise.

00:02:08.960 I really love it.

00:02:11.360 By the way, on the subject of global warming and the environment, I just want to make a mention of Michael Schellenberger, who tweeted out today,

00:02:18.580 stop recycling plastic. Stop it.

00:02:20.940 It winds up not getting recycled.

00:02:23.300 If we put it in the trash, it'll get burned.

00:02:25.320 It'll get taken care of at the landfill.

00:02:26.660 If we put it in the recycling bin, it winds up in the ocean.

00:02:30.160 So he's like, keep recycling, you know, do your tin, do your paper, your cans, your glass, but do not put plastic in the recycling bin anymore.

00:02:39.340 There you go. There's your public service announcement for November.

00:02:42.120 OK, let's talk about New York just because that was in the lead.

00:02:45.960 And I'm just like, I can't believe it.

00:02:47.920 I 50 of my 51 years, pretty much a couple of Johns to Chicago.

00:02:52.980 I've lived in New York state, had a couple of Republican governors, but it's so rare.

00:02:57.100 And especially in today's day and age, it's just like it doesn't seem possible.

00:03:01.480 She was plus 19 over him in August.

00:03:06.940 That wasn't that long ago.

00:03:08.580 It's only November one in August.

00:03:11.140 She was 19 points up over the Republican challenger, Lee Zeldin.

00:03:15.060 And now, according to Trafalgar, he's leading her.

00:03:18.960 It's within the margin of error, but he's at 48.4.

00:03:21.480 She's at 47.6.

00:03:23.800 This as Kathy Hochul, who was a governor nobody chose.

00:03:26.900 She took over after after Andrew Cuomo was ousted, is telling people that America's rising fear about crime has been manufactured by master manipulators in a national conspiracy.

00:03:39.880 Are all the people being shoved on the subway tracks part of the national conspiracy?

00:03:44.280 Are the Republicans doing that just to make her look bad?

00:03:47.760 Like, what is she possibly saying?

00:03:49.140 How out of touch she is.

00:03:50.760 And so many of these Democrats who are ignoring the real crime problem, the real inflation problem and so on are seven or plus 19 down to minus one.

00:04:02.920 Eliana, I'll start with you.

00:04:03.740 What do you make of it?

00:04:04.280 So Republicans are competing in places that they haven't been competitive for decades.

00:04:10.240 Megan, I'm going to age myself here, but I was in college in the 2004 election.

00:04:14.900 And I remember that when George W. Bush was reelected, I went to college on the East Coast.

00:04:19.380 And I remember people saying the map of the country looks like all the crazy people are pushing all the sane people into the ocean because middle America was red and the coasts were blue.

00:04:30.140 And what we're seeing in 2022 is Republicans are competitive in places like New York and Oregon and Washington state.

00:04:40.600 The East Coast and the West Coast are becoming competitive because cities like New York City and Portland, the problems of crime and inflation are making Republicans competitive.

00:04:55.040 And Democrats have sat on their laurels. And as you mentioned, Kathy Hochul's responses in those debates, they are simply not compelling to people.

00:05:04.000 And I think regardless of what happens in this New York, New York governor's race, if Lee Zeldin wins by one or loses by one, these are races that have never been competitive and should never have been competitive.

00:05:15.260 And this is a real wake up call, I think, for Democrats.

00:05:18.800 But it comes awfully late. You know, it's like they should have been awake a long time ago and not saying things like the crime problem is a manufactured crisis and some sort of conspiracy.

00:05:30.560 Like if you look at what actual voters are saying, they're worried about crime, they're worried about inflation.

00:05:37.280 Emily, the Wall Street Journal just had a poll and a report on the poll released today.

00:05:43.940 Here's the headline. Voters are giving Republicans a late boost in support just ahead of the midterms as pessimism about the economy and the direction of the country jump to their highest levels of the year.

00:05:55.100 They suggest abortion rights are far less important than they were just this past summer, and that whereas the GOP was down on the generic congressional ballot by three points to the Dems in August, they're now up to there's been a five point swing in the GOP's favor on generic congressional ballot.

00:06:16.040 Only 19 percent of voters is all voters say the economy is headed in the right direction.

00:06:20.200 And that's down 11 percentage points from August. So it's going in the wrong direction for the Dems.

00:06:25.180 Seventy one percent of the economy is on the wrong track. What do you make of it?

00:06:30.600 I mean, Democrats don't have to be running like Kathy Hochul is.

00:06:33.880 She's I mean, she's, I think, a uniquely bad candidate in some respects, but she doesn't have to be running on a campaign that ignores people's concerns.

00:06:41.440 But because Democrats have sort of attached themselves to this ideology and they in some respects have defended on it and other respects have endorsed and encouraged it, especially in big cities like New York, like Los Angeles, like Portland, they they can't go back from it.

00:06:56.640 And that's the real problem for them. It's like Kathy Hochul could be a very different candidate right now.

00:07:02.000 She could have neutralized what Lee Zeldin was talking about, but they they they can't.

00:07:06.720 So, like, in one sense, like, yes, you should be doing this like this is bad politics.

00:07:10.320 But in the other sense, you've been sort of encouraging and winking at in some ways, just explicitly embracing this ideology for years.

00:07:16.540 And I think what's happening is that after Labor Day, what we see is the money goes into these races.

00:07:21.880 And that means the real message that both candidates are running on congeals.

00:07:25.760 And you see exactly what the sort of Zeldin pitches, what the Hochul pitches in other races, too.

00:07:31.820 And when that's pitted against each other and the money comes into those races, voters have decided they don't want what Democrats are selling.

00:07:38.460 And I really think that's what we've seen over the last couple of months.

00:07:41.460 But she says, I mean, remember at that debate she had with Lee Zeldin last week and he was talking about crime and he himself has been a victim of crime.

00:07:49.340 He was attacked by a knife wielding man on a stage.

00:07:52.460 His two kids were home doing their homework and a shooting happened right outside of their Long Island home.

00:07:59.180 He wasn't there. I mean, this is scary.

00:08:01.440 And he's been talking about it out on the campaign trail.

00:08:04.240 Many New Yorkers have been personally affected by crime in some way.

00:08:07.640 They can no longer take the subway.

00:08:09.060 They no longer feel safe walking in Times Square.

00:08:11.660 They don't feel safe walking down the streets of New York City in the evening before nightfall.

00:08:16.280 I mean, things that we used to do really without question during, say, the Giuliani Bloomberg years.

00:08:21.320 Never mind de Blasio. That's who let New York go to hell.

00:08:24.860 But so she looks at everybody and says now on the heels of I don't know why you care so much, she says to Lee Zeldin about crime.

00:08:30.520 I don't know why you care so much.

00:08:32.280 Now she's out there saying this is a this this the rising fear about crime was manufactured by master manipulators and a national conspiracy.

00:08:39.560 And the journal has this article in which, just by one example, they cite Ashley Smith, a supermarket worker in Brooklyn, saying crime is at the top of her mind this year.

00:08:48.960 In addition to the economy, she's a self-described liberal.

00:08:52.720 She's still leaning toward Hochul, but she cares a lot about crime.

00:08:57.720 She's being told by this woman it's a conspiracy not to listen.

00:09:00.640 Meanwhile, the journal goes on to say the GOP has seen a shift, quoting here, in its favor among several voter groups, including Latino voters and women and particularly white suburban women.

00:09:12.220 That group, which the pollsters said makes up 20 percent of the electorate, shifted 26 percentage points away from Democrats since the journal's August poll and now favors the GOP by 15 percentage points.

00:09:29.000 They lost white suburban women in two months, Eliana, as inflation numbers shot up.

00:09:35.700 GOP got on message when it came to crime, found its footing on abortion just in time for Election Day.

00:09:42.220 And recall that this is the group, the same group, white suburban women that shifted away from Trump in 2018 and produced devastating losses for Republicans.

00:09:51.500 They shifted for the Democrats that hurt Republicans four years ago.

00:09:56.300 It is not now. Now it's going to benefit them greatly.

00:09:59.340 I mean, the lesson for Democrats is that you cannot tell voters the things that they are seeing, living, experiencing in their day to day lives, like crime and inflation, are not real.

00:10:10.200 And you cannot be indifferent toward those concerns and you cannot tell them that an issue like like abortion trumps those concerns.

00:10:20.200 They have got to have a message on those two issues, crime and inflation.

00:10:26.220 And they simply don't. And now, unfortunately, the horses are out of the barn and it is it is too late.

00:10:32.840 Mm hmm. It's I mean, Tom Bevin, a real clear politics called this absolutely stunning movement among white suburban women.

00:10:40.800 They they lost them. The January 6th thing did not do it.

00:10:44.800 The constant harping on Trump, the insurrection, the hearings did not do it.

00:10:49.140 And in fact, just a bit of color in this poll, they asked about a hypothetical matchup in 2024 between Biden and Trump again.

00:10:57.740 And both are tied. Each man draws 46 percent in August.

00:11:01.680 Biden was ahead by six percentage points.

00:11:04.640 Even their standard go to of Trump, Trump, but Trump isn't working.

00:11:10.980 They need a new trick. And what they're saying to your points is that the on the that it's the inflation, that it's the economy.

00:11:19.540 Sixty four percent of poll respondents said inflation is rising and straining their finances.

00:11:24.540 Thirty six percent describe those strains as major, major.

00:11:29.320 I just talked to my mom about this. She's on a fixed income.

00:11:31.420 She's living off of her pension and her Social Security.

00:11:34.000 Of course, I help her, too. But on her fixed income, she's noticed a real reduction in the money that she has because her grocery bills are astronomical.

00:11:42.400 Everyone's feeling it. Everyone's feeling it, Emily.

00:11:45.160 Well, yeah. And again, to your point, Democrats can't deny that.

00:11:48.460 And when they do deny that and they try to pivot to corporate profiteering or whatever it is, it makes it seem like they're completely out of touch with voters.

00:11:55.340 And in some respects, that's because they are. I think it's one thing that people maybe underappreciate sometimes is the extent to which Democratic operatives and consultants, even the ones that work outside of the coasts, are in bubbles.

00:12:08.040 They spend so much time on Twitter.

00:12:09.760 They spend so much time in silos because they've sort of purged anybody with dissenting opinions to the point where, like, they really kind of believe their own stuff now.

00:12:19.620 And that's like actually a very different thing from the way politics used to work.

00:12:24.380 And maybe they'll get a wake up call. That's actually why New York is perennially over covered.

00:12:29.680 But that's one of my top races to watch because it's sort of like what we saw maybe happen with the Gavin Newsom recall, like just getting Gavin Newsom to a recall.

00:12:38.320 Obviously, he won pretty handily. This stuff takes time. Movement from voters takes time.

00:12:44.040 The Oregon race, Drazen, her ad that she put out last week with Democrats saying, I'm voting for her.

00:12:49.820 This is really powerful stuff. And it's not going to be like a light that flips overnight.

00:12:53.800 But because Democrats are struggling, they're sort of locked in this ideological prison where they can't escape their bad messaging and they can't make voters feel like they're heard.

00:13:02.860 It's just going to continue to chip away. It's going to continue to chip away down in the Rio Grande Valley with Hispanic voters, with black voters, if they don't turn it around.

00:13:10.720 And all of the signs, the fact that you have somebody like Kathy Hochul, an alleged moderate running the campaign that she's running, all of the signs point to them not being able to really turn the Titanic around in time.

00:13:21.460 Mm hmm. Meanwhile, Arizona is one of the states that everybody is watching.

00:13:25.380 And there was good news for the Republican in that race, Blake Masters today, as the libertarian candidate dropped out.

00:13:32.380 And this guy was threatening to play spoiler. And he turned around and endorsed Blake Masters.

00:13:37.420 So that's one of those super tight races in which Mark Kelly, a popular, well-liked Democrat married to Gabby Giffords, had been up.

00:13:47.060 The real clear average today is Kelly up 2.4 percent over Blake Masters.

00:13:51.860 But this guy is dropping out, which could change things significantly in the final race.

00:13:59.200 So, Eliana, you, in addition to all of your other talents and responsibilities, as I mentioned, you're the editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon.

00:14:07.420 So let me ask you a little bit about coverage in the New York Times of some of these races.

00:14:13.180 My crack team pulled just a couple of interesting items. They made me laugh out loud.

00:14:20.600 New poll is from the New York Times, talking about some governor's races.

00:14:24.320 New polling from the New York Times and Siena College suggest a tight race for governor of Arizona.

00:14:29.700 Now switching from the Senate race to the governor race. This is the one in which Carrie Lake is running for governor of Arizona.

00:14:34.580 Between, ready, Carrie Lake, a far-right election-denying Republican, and Katie Hobbs, the Democratic Secretary of State.

00:14:46.420 Here's another one.

00:14:48.080 The polling shows Republicans narrowly ahead in governor's races in Georgia and Nevada,

00:14:54.020 while a Democrat, Josh Shapiro, has a solid lead in Pennsylvania.

00:14:58.120 Can I tell you this is something I've noticed lately about myself in some of the certain publications will be like right wing talk show host, Megan Kelly.

00:15:15.100 I'm like, OK, first of all, I am an independent journalist.

00:15:19.140 And though I sometimes opine on with my opinion on politics, it doesn't make me a talk show host.

00:15:25.060 They never do that to the left. They never say left wing talk show host Chuck Todd.

00:15:32.720 Right. They don't do that. It's just journalist. Give me a break.

00:15:36.640 I was just going to say, Megan, are there any candidates?

00:15:40.000 We got to do the nexus search. Are there any candidates?

00:15:42.580 The New York Times describes as left wing, far left wing candidates in the election deniers?

00:15:50.200 I mean, did they deny the 2016 election? I would love to.

00:15:52.920 Good point. Did they describe Stacey Abrams that way? Election denier.

00:15:56.720 Never, never.

00:15:58.300 Or far left.

00:16:00.100 It's absurd, right? I mean, this is an editorial choice.

00:16:02.800 And it reminds me of the thing we had on Tom Cotton yesterday, Senator Tom Cotton.

00:16:07.100 We were talking about his op-ed in The New York Times that got Jim Bennett fired because he had he deigned to publish it and he was running the op-ed page.

00:16:14.340 And Jim Bennett came out and said, this is one of my criticisms of The New York Times is they they really want to be Mother Jones.

00:16:19.920 They don't really want to be this sort of fair newspaper that's, you know, may lean left, but tries to include right wing voices.

00:16:26.740 They want to be Mother Jones and that those headlines prove it.

00:16:31.020 Well, I think the critical thing there is they want to be Mother Jones, but they think that Mother Jones,

00:16:35.080 like they think the content of Mother Jones is neutral.

00:16:37.960 That's the big problem they have.

00:16:39.020 Like they're still purporting to be the gatekeeper of what is objective and what is not.

00:16:44.500 And if you want to run Mother Jones as Mother Jones, fine.

00:16:48.580 Absolutely. I mean, the Federalist is openly conservative.

00:16:51.380 But if you want to pretend the Federalist or Mother Jones is The New York Times and all the news that's fit to print and just straight down the middle, neutral object, objective reality, then you're lying on a mass scale.

00:17:05.160 And I feel like that's probably the biggest problem the media has at this point.

00:17:07.920 Now, I want to get into the media and Paul Pelosi in one second.

00:17:10.840 But before we leave hardcore politics, let's spend a minute on Herschel Walker.

00:17:15.340 This is a fascinating dynamic, what's happening with him.

00:17:18.220 They continue to sling the mud.

00:17:20.840 It's like every week we have another Gloria Allred represented client with another allegation against Herschel for being a bad boyfriend, bad lover in terms of not in terms of the actual loving.

00:17:31.200 But like I didn't mean to imply anything, I just mean not a good partner to the women in his life.

00:17:39.500 Now there's another one who's come out again, anonymous, defending her claim that Walker pressured her to have an abortion nearly three decades ago after a year's long extramarital relationship.

00:17:51.460 She has not identified herself.

00:17:53.660 She first made the claim during a news conference with Allred, reiterated an on-camera interview with ABC News on Tuesday, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:01.220 He didn't want me to have the child.

00:18:02.600 Every time a woman comes out, his poll numbers go up.

00:18:06.060 I mean, that's that's what's happening.

00:18:07.980 Like they're not laying a glove on him net net.

00:18:11.340 Maybe maybe it was the debate.

00:18:13.240 I don't know what's happening, because my takeaway in watching this dynamic is pretty soon these Democrats are going to be like, stop it.

00:18:21.320 No more women.

00:18:22.420 Put them away.

00:18:23.860 This is only helping him.

00:18:25.120 This this tactic is backfiring.

00:18:26.880 What do you guys think?

00:18:29.240 Well, Herschel Walker won the debate against Raphael Warnock, and there was some grudging acknowledgement of that from the mainstream media.

00:18:39.060 And the second thing is, you know, the Washington Free Beacon and our reporter Andrew Kerr had a fantastic report about the apartment building that Raphael Warnock's church secretly owns that is evicted tenants and tried to evict dozens more over the covid pandemic as Warnock himself takes, you know, a seventy four hundred dollar a month housing stipend.

00:19:02.540 And that story has made its way into the local press, even though the national mainstream media has tried to poo poo it and to exonerate him.

00:19:10.980 And I think these things have made a dent.

00:19:13.920 The mainstream media, like with inflation and like with crime, have done their best to poo poo these issues.

00:19:20.640 But voters aren't stupid.

00:19:22.860 You know, voters understand what the real issues are and voters, when they watch debates and read local news, are actually able to assess the candidates, I think, on the merits.

00:19:34.960 Mm hmm.

00:19:35.420 They know I none of these things making a difference.

00:19:38.820 And as Chuck Schumer said to Joe Biden a couple of days ago, George is not going in the right direction for the Democrats.

00:19:44.800 And it's not just a small lead that Brian Kemp has over Stacey Abrams down there.

00:19:50.640 It's a big lead.

00:19:51.540 And that's one of the reasons why Herschel Walker is probably going to win in the Senate race in any event.

00:19:56.620 OK, so let's move on to Paul Pelosi, which is what I mean, is is everybody everybody talking about this in your circle?

00:20:02.060 Like everybody's asking me about this case, right?

00:20:04.360 Like Paul Pelosi, like the conspiracy theories and the blowback against the press and the blowback against Republicans that the Democrats.

00:20:11.260 I think Miranda Devine has it.

00:20:13.800 She summed it up perfectly at The New York Post.

00:20:16.840 This the Democrats are trying to make this into their October surprise.

00:20:20.780 They're trying to make this into the thing that's going to change the whole midterm election.

00:20:26.460 This lunatic guy who believed in fairies and slept on a school bus and ran around naked with some woman who's a child molester.

00:20:34.440 This guy we're supposed to believe is like a Donald Trump operative or a Jesse Waters operative.

00:20:39.960 That's what Gavin Newsom's blaming it on.

00:20:41.540 Jesse Waters of Fox News and that and for that reason, you're supposed to vote Democrat in the upcoming election.

00:20:50.520 But will it work?

00:20:51.620 I don't know.

00:20:52.040 Is this the kind of thing that's going to change any of those independent fence sitters whose votes are still up for grabs?

00:20:58.720 I think it's exactly what you said earlier about how they tried.

00:21:01.340 They held another primetime January 6th hearing.

00:21:04.260 They drew it out into the fall and CBS had a poll.

00:21:07.060 I believe it was CBS that asked people, what's a higher priority, democracy or a strong economy, functioning democracy or a strong economy?

00:21:15.500 That is such an interesting question to ask because it's a huge tell, right?

00:21:18.800 They're basically saying what we consider a functioning economy has nothing to do with the way that you feed your family.

00:21:24.620 And the more that they push this, push this, push this, this question of the democracy is hanging by a thread and people go about their daily lives.

00:21:33.520 And what's hanging by a thread is their bank accounts, their ability to carpool for soccer and feel comfortable enough to take their kids out to dinner and live by their budget, etc., etc.

00:21:43.700 When you're pushing this kind of thing, I mean, I think Miranda's totally right.

00:21:47.340 That's what they're doing.

00:21:48.080 They see this as something to latch on to and it's not going to work, but they don't learn that.

00:21:53.580 They just don't learn.

00:21:54.580 That's why they're taken aback by the fact that Herschel Walker is now doing very well in Georgia, again, because the operatives and consultant class are in these impenetrable silos now.

00:22:03.740 They have no idea how this stuff is actually playing out with actual voters.

00:22:07.740 I have to say, I still have more questions than answers in this whole attack.

00:22:11.800 I don't know what actually happened there.

00:22:14.260 Here's the part I find most suspicious, most suspicious.

00:22:17.360 OK, this is from the FBI report.

00:22:20.260 At 2.31 a.m., San Francisco PD responded to the Pelosi residence in California and knocked on the front door.

00:22:28.220 When the door was opened, Paul Pelosi and DePape were both holding a hammer with one hand.

00:22:35.340 I try to picture this.

00:22:36.620 They're both holding the hammer with one hand.

00:22:39.760 And DePape had his other hand holding on to Pelosi's forearm.

00:22:46.120 Pelosi greeted the officers.

00:22:49.160 What?

00:22:49.880 Like, what's happening?

00:22:51.900 Like, I don't understand.

00:22:53.180 Did they ring the door?

00:22:54.120 They knocked?

00:22:54.960 They knocked.

00:22:55.720 So they get a distress call from Paul Pelosi in a bathroom and then they get there and they gently knock on the door.

00:23:00.960 Like, I'm sorry, but what the F?

00:23:02.960 Go in.

00:23:03.800 You got a distress call that he's being attacked.

00:23:05.880 Right.

00:23:06.060 Get in there.

00:23:06.600 So then why does he come out of the bathroom?

00:23:09.320 There's an attacker in his house.

00:23:10.420 Why does he come out of the bathroom?

00:23:11.960 Why did he come out of the bathroom?

00:23:13.120 Why didn't he just stay in the bathroom?

00:23:14.500 So then they meander over to the front door, jointly holding a hammer.

00:23:21.260 This is the FBI report.

00:23:23.060 They open the door and the police are there.

00:23:26.700 And the FBI says, uh, the officers asked them, what's going on?

00:23:33.200 What's going on?

00:23:34.740 DePape responded, everything's good.

00:23:37.940 Everything was good.

00:23:39.420 Officers then asked Pelosi and DePape to drop the hammer.

00:23:44.220 What is happening?

00:23:46.060 DePape pulled the hammer from Pelosi's hand and swung the hammer, striking Pelosi in the head.

00:23:53.460 Then they say, then officers immediately went inside.

00:23:59.360 Wait a minute.

00:24:00.660 What?

00:24:01.260 You open the door and you've gotten a distress call and the two men are holding the hammer and one of them is married to the speaker of the house.

00:24:08.840 And you just stand there, say, what's up?

00:24:11.560 Everything good?

00:24:12.360 And then you let this other guy swing a hammer and 82 year old to the point where he falls on the ground now and requires emergency surgery.

00:24:20.120 Something's wrong.

00:24:21.440 Someone did something wrong.

00:24:22.980 Some protocol wasn't followed.

00:24:24.960 I'm sorry, but this isn't right.

00:24:26.280 I don't know what's happening, but I'm telling you, like I said yesterday, something smells bad about this whole thing.

00:24:31.260 Then they go on.

00:24:32.380 They recover zip ties in Pelosi's bedroom and in the hallway near the front door.

00:24:36.200 They found his backpack found, among other things, a roll of tape, white rope, one hammer, one pair of rubber and cloth gloves and a journal.

00:24:43.300 Pelosi told him he'd never seen DePape before.

00:24:46.180 And DePape stated that he pulled the hammer away from Pelosi and swung it toward Pelosi and that it was Pelosi's actions that resulted in Pelosi taking the punishment that I guess this guy believed he deserved.

00:24:58.520 Now the press continues its narrative that this is all the fault of the GOP.

00:25:03.160 And this, despite the fact that DePape gives a statement to the police in which he acknowledges that one of his main problems while in this San Francisco house is he was super, super sleepy.

00:25:19.660 Ladies, he was he wanted to go night night.

00:25:22.080 So he got in there and said he wanted to tie up Paul Pelosi so that he could go night night as he was tired from having had to carry a backpack in the Pelosi residence.

00:25:31.760 Damn you, Jesse Waters, you mofo.

00:25:36.080 This is what he said.

00:25:37.360 This is what the suspect said.

00:25:38.860 I was super tired.

00:25:40.500 And he started taking out the twist ties so that he could restrain Paul Pelosi.

00:25:43.980 Pelosi, they wound up going back into the bedroom while talking with each other.

00:25:48.500 Pelosi went to the bathroom where he grabbed a phone.

00:25:51.020 He felt like Pelosi's actions compelled him to DePape to respond.

00:25:54.600 And he remembered thinking there was no way the police were going to forget about that phone call.

00:25:58.180 But he couldn't leave because much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the options of surrender.

00:26:05.480 But he did need that nap.

00:26:07.020 So in any event, this is the man that now the entire left wing press wants us to believe was motivated by GOP rhetoric.

00:26:15.500 I give you, as an example, Gavin Newsom sought one.

00:26:21.140 I've seen the dehumanization of Nancy Pelosi.

00:26:23.720 I don't think anyone's been dehumanized like she has consistently.

00:26:27.660 I mean, I watched this one guy was Jesse Waters or something on Fox News.

00:26:31.320 What he's been saying about Paul Pelosi the last five, six months, mocking him consistently.

00:26:37.440 Don't tell me that's not aiding and betting all this.

00:26:39.600 Of course it is.

00:26:40.860 Look online.

00:26:41.760 Look at the sewage that is online that they amplify on these networks and in social media to dehumanize people like Nancy Pelosi and other political leaders.

00:26:54.240 I know what over the last three years has come in my inbox.

00:26:57.400 Trust me, you don't, because I'm not sharing it.

00:27:02.160 I don't even share it with my wife.

00:27:04.220 I got four kids.

00:27:06.020 So I know a little bit about this.

00:27:08.220 I mean, it wasn't just a recall against me.

00:27:11.900 It was surround sound in every way, shape or form.

00:27:14.700 This is something different here.

00:27:16.360 I'm sure you ladies have never been the subject of vitriol from the left, from his side of the aisle.

00:27:24.760 It's just Gavin Newsom and Nancy Pelosi.

00:27:27.180 Pelosi wrongly attacked by people like Jesse Waters.

00:27:30.400 By the way, his attacks, according to Gavin Newsom, weren't even on Nancy Pelosi.

00:27:33.500 They were on Paul Pelosi.

00:27:34.480 And the whole FBI and crime file says this is about Nancy.

00:27:37.380 Megan, you mentioned Democrats trying to manufacture an October surprise out of this.

00:27:46.240 And I don't blame Democrats for grasping at straws, given their political position right now.

00:27:51.940 I do blame the media for trying to manufacture an October surprise out of this.

00:27:57.680 And that is exactly what's happening.

00:27:59.100 You know, I don't think there's any figure over the past five or six years who's been more demonized in our politics than Brett Kavanaugh.

00:28:07.380 And when somebody did try to assassinate him, I don't recall the articles that said Kavanaugh assassination attempt follows years of demonizations by Democratic politicians.

00:28:18.360 I didn't read that in The New York Times.

00:28:20.500 I didn't see Republican politicians on the air giving interviews to Major Garrett, blaming Democrats for that.

00:28:28.000 I don't recall surround sound in the media every morning newsletter, you know, blaming Democrats for the attack.

00:28:36.620 You know, I don't remember that.

00:28:39.240 And by the way, like, I don't think it's true.

00:28:42.000 I don't think it's true that Democrats were to blame for the attack on Kavanaugh.

00:28:45.380 And I don't think it's true that Republicans are to blame for the attack on Pelosi because this guy, you know, I didn't mean to make light of it by laughing at your description.

00:28:52.400 He's obviously a severe, severely mentally ill, as is the man who attacked Kavanaugh.

00:28:58.960 You know, our our our politics are not to blame for this.

00:29:04.180 We the problem is that these guys are obviously mentally ill.

00:29:09.040 I don't blame Democrats for the the purported attempt or the guy wanting to kill Brett Kavanaugh.

00:29:15.020 I bring I blame the Supreme Court leaker.

00:29:16.580 That's why I blame that person had no business releasing that thing at a time when the justices weren't prepared, didn't have adequate security at home and we weren't ready.

00:29:24.560 There's a reason they announced the decisions in the order that they do that.

00:29:27.020 Whoever that person was, Democrat, Republican, we still have no idea.

00:29:30.760 That's the person who I blame for incentivizing this lunatic to go to Brett Kavanaugh's house and the man himself.

00:29:37.340 But I do think in that case was a little different than this one, because you can point to one specific person who endangered the life of a justice by releasing a very controversial decision that was very foreseeable could lead to potential problems for that justice.

00:29:49.160 I mean, that's just the way the country works.

00:29:50.860 This is a different scenario altogether.

00:29:52.120 And and, you know, to to to the point Jesse Waters made the last night and the one I just made, Jesse Waters reporting was on Paul Pelosi and his DUI.

00:30:01.300 I mean, for that, Paul Pelosi has only only himself to blame.

00:30:04.980 This guy didn't show up there wanting to hurt Paul Pelosi.

00:30:07.100 He showed up there wanting by his own admission to, quote, kneecap Nancy Pelosi.

00:30:10.980 And unless she, quote, told the truth and to pop, they said she didn't think she'd tell the truth about what we don't know.

00:30:17.820 But he looked forward to seeing her go into Congress in a wheelchair as a way of sending a message to the other non truth tellers in Congress.

00:30:25.620 He was very upset about Nancy Pelosi, not so upset about his long term girlfriend and mother of his two children, who was convicted of targeting and stalking a 14 year old boy whom she reportedly.

00:30:36.240 Did a long list of negative criminal things, too.

00:30:40.260 So in any event, here is how the rhetoric has been by the Democrats.

00:30:45.660 OK, the Democrats who now are are pure as the driven snow.

00:30:49.020 They don't understand these nasty comments that the Republicans keep making about Nancy Pelosi.

00:30:53.760 And they certainly have no blood on their hands when it comes to Brett Kavanaugh or Steve Scalise, who got shot at the Republican baseball game or anybody or Lee Zeldin, who almost got stabbed or anybody else for that matter.

00:31:04.380 They have no blood on their hands.

00:31:06.360 They're the ones who go the high road when it comes to communication.

00:31:09.120 Here's just a sampling of that.

00:31:10.480 So to press always ask me, don't I wish I were debating him?

00:31:15.480 No, I wish you were in high school.

00:31:16.740 I could take him behind the gym.

00:31:18.220 No, I said, if we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.

00:31:21.800 I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price.

00:31:31.640 Magi Republicans represent an extremism.

00:31:35.640 Magi Republicans look at America and see carnage and darkness and despair.

00:31:40.500 We have six extremist justices on the United States Supreme Court.

00:31:45.560 Radical Republicans are charging ahead with their crusade to criminalize health freedom.

00:31:51.780 Illegitimate!

00:31:52.580 Justice, justice!

00:31:53.780 Illegitimate!

00:31:55.000 Magi Republicans are to destroy an American democracy.

00:31:58.580 Pure as the driven snow.

00:32:03.580 I mean, another thing.

00:32:05.060 So I grew up outside of Waukesha, Wisconsin.

00:32:07.520 We just saw the conclusion of that trial where there's plenty of evidence that Daryl Brooks was perhaps motivated by some sort of ideology that would have been that would would be classified far left.

00:32:21.920 And as soon as that emerged about a year ago, after he killed people at a Christmas parade, as soon as that emerged, the story, which had been going like gangbusters on every network, suddenly disappeared to the background of the media landscape.

00:32:35.600 And there was very little coverage of that trial itself.

00:32:38.900 I agree completely that the mentally ill people are you cannot blame the Democratic Party on the what happened at the congressional baseball game practice.

00:32:48.580 You can't blame people.

00:32:49.660 You can't blame Democrats for what happened to Lee Zeldin.

00:32:51.900 I agree with you, Megan, on blaming the leaker for what happened to or almost happened to Brett Kavanaugh.

00:32:57.060 But my gosh, the double standard is infuriating and they will never reckon with it.

00:33:02.640 And in fact, what they do is cover for Democrats.

00:33:04.740 I saw a corporate media reporter tweeting out a list of all of the attacks on Nancy Pelosi that Republicans have run in advertisements.

00:33:13.120 They do this.

00:33:13.680 They do the same routine every time someone does something negative to Nancy Pelosi, says something negative to Nancy Pelosi.

00:33:19.520 They act as though Republicans running ideologically opposed to Nancy Pelosi has something to do with this.

00:33:24.620 And it obviously doesn't.

00:33:25.980 But they never do the same thing in the other direction.

00:33:28.700 And I think people are starting to pay attention to that.

00:33:32.120 Eliana, they're there now.

00:33:33.580 It's like they think people should stand down on the Republican side from attacks, from attack ads in advance of the midterms.

00:33:41.560 There was Chuck Todd was like alarmed that they hadn't pulled ads that bash Nancy Pelosi saying, you know, we want to fire Nancy Pelosi.

00:33:50.800 They were just like, oh, my God, how could you not?

00:33:53.300 What do you mean?

00:33:53.800 Nancy Pelosi was not attacked and her husband was attacked by some lunatic.

00:33:58.740 Like, what are you saying?

00:33:59.900 So the Republicans have to stand down now for the last eight days of this contest because of this, the naked guy who thought he was Jesus for a year.

00:34:07.560 We wrote an editorial about this at the Free Week and making exactly that point and citing that that remark from Chuck Todd, who suggested that there was something untoward about Republicans not having pulled their ads targeted at Nancy Pelosi and others in the media suggesting that there was something beyond the pale about Republican ads that use the phrase fire Pelosi.

00:34:32.140 I'm not exactly sure how there's something beyond the pale about that rhetoric.

00:34:38.520 And if so, what it is and what exactly Democrats and the media want Republicans to do in the last week of the election.

00:34:46.740 Other than sit on the bench, sit on their hands, cry uncle and see the last week of this really important election to Democrats.

00:34:56.940 And Nancy Pelosi, by the way, is fundraising off of this attack.

00:35:01.320 I had an email from her about the attack sent to her constituents.

00:35:07.700 And at the bottom of it was a donate button.

00:35:10.500 So you can rest assured that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are not going to be ceding the playing field to their Republican opponents in the week in in the final week that we have to go before the polls close.

00:35:25.860 Wow. Yes, you did have a great piece on this.

00:35:27.820 That's where I got my thought from.

00:35:30.040 Meanwhile, yesterday I pointed out on the show, CNN had an article in which they spelled out the Dems plan.

00:35:35.020 This is separate and apart from Pelosi in the last eight to 10 days of this election cycle.

00:35:40.880 And that was to stoke anger and resentment amongst its own electorate, the Democrats own electorate about January 6th, that they were going to raise that boogeyman again and try to get people really upset about January 6th so that they would vote Dem.

00:35:54.960 This, as Barack Obama at a Michigan rally for Gretchen Whitmer comes out yesterday and says, politicians who work to stir up division, to try to make us angry and afraid of one another for their own advantage, he's upset about them.

00:36:08.280 He wants that to stop.

00:36:10.080 That's you.

00:36:11.120 That's your party.

00:36:12.340 That's exactly what they're doing with respect to January 6th and why they're trying to tie this attack on Pelosi to January 6th.

00:36:20.420 Because the guy went into the house saying, where's Nancy and was apparently an election denier.

00:36:25.480 He believes some of these QAnon and other theories about it, in addition to believing in Black Lives Matter and LGBTQ causes and also fairies.

00:36:34.460 So that's where we are.

00:36:36.820 All right, stand by.

00:36:37.480 I got to squeeze in a commercial break.

00:36:38.560 We've got more with the EJs right after this quick break.

00:36:41.340 We've got to talk about this piece by Professor Emily Oster of Brown University in the Atlantic, who a lot of conservatives gave props to because in October of 2020, she did a piece calling for schools to open that was cited by then Education Secretary Betsy DeVos with favor, who she also wanted the schools open.

00:37:06.480 The latest piece, not so much.

00:37:09.580 Emily Oster, who I believe is a she's a lefty, but she saw some reason at some point in this pandemic, has a piece out today that reads, let's declare a pandemic amnesty in its title.

00:37:23.960 And this has set the tweet world on fire.

00:37:28.420 And I am one of the people who is burning.

00:37:31.600 It's got I'll give you a few quotes.

00:37:33.340 OK, she talks about how in the in the in April of 2020, she had her kids hiking, wearing cloth masks she made herself.

00:37:41.560 And there was a family hand signal with which the person in front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and they needed to put on their masks.

00:37:47.520 And then once when another child got too close to my then four year old son on a bridge, he yelled at her social distancing.

00:37:52.600 She uses this to try to show us.

00:37:54.220 See, I was crazy, too.

00:37:55.320 I made mistakes.

00:37:56.500 Well, I got news for you, Emily.

00:37:57.880 Most of us were not doing that shit at all.

00:37:59.640 Most of us knew that was utter nonsense.

00:38:01.280 Never wiped a grocery.

00:38:02.300 I never masked my kids before I was forced to to send them back to school.

00:38:05.740 And I certainly would have had the running from other children yelling social distancing.

00:38:09.880 So you're really I know you're trying to play it like I'm just one of you.

00:38:13.360 But really, this whole piece is an effort by Professor Emily Oster to to be loved again by the left who was mad at her for her October 2020 piece.

00:38:22.060 The whole thing is please love me, please.

00:38:24.680 Because when I say amnesty, I mean, for me, she goes on to say, OK, reasonable people advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

00:38:33.960 She goes on to point out.

00:38:37.560 Most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

00:38:43.340 My own note reads, we do not believe that treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

00:38:54.980 We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty.

00:39:00.060 We need to learn from our mistakes and let them go.

00:39:05.480 There's so many online great reactions.

00:39:07.580 Monica Crowley.

00:39:08.640 Hell no.

00:39:10.260 Accountability is coming soon.

00:39:12.580 Dave Rubin.

00:39:13.360 Absolutely no amnesty.

00:39:15.100 Some of us did not lose our minds, did not force vaccines or lockdowns and instead fought for freedom the entire time.

00:39:20.620 It's one thing to have gotten some things wrong.

00:39:22.560 It's another to have led the charge to destroy human freedom.

00:39:27.140 Preach.

00:39:27.980 What do you make of it?

00:39:28.540 I hilariously saw some people kind of in the Never Trump right saying like a David French saying, you know, if you if you followed Emily Oster during the pandemic, you saw that she was for school reopenings and was very good on this stuff.

00:39:40.680 And it's like, so what?

00:39:41.720 She's talking about this broad idea of amnesty for people who are in positions of power.

00:39:47.780 That's the tradeoff when you're in power is that you get held accountable when you mess up and you don't get amnesty.

00:39:54.380 And I was sort of amenable to the piece just from the headline until I read it.

00:39:58.380 And I realized, you know, because a lot of people were absolutely terrified and a lot of people had no idea what to make of the so-called science because the Dr. Fauci's of the world were saying one thing one day and the next thing another day.

00:40:08.760 And people made decisions based on that and based on what was a legitimate sense of fear because the media was stoking it and because there were some very good reasons.

00:40:17.120 A lot of people died.

00:40:18.220 But that doesn't mean that people in positions of power and influence, powerful journalists, lawmakers, bureaucrats get a pass on this when they had the opportunity to make better decisions.

00:40:30.880 And why do we know that?

00:40:32.060 Because other people who weren't so terrified of the politics or power hungry did make better decisions.

00:40:37.060 And that's the tradeoff when you have influence is you get held accountable for it.

00:40:40.680 So I understand why this is just like it is pissing people off.

00:40:44.420 Like I haven't seen anything in a really long time.

00:40:46.580 She's talking about the leftists who put their big government thumb on us for two years and there's never been any accountability or even apology.

00:40:57.100 Guess who was quick to like Emily Oster's tweet of her article?

00:41:01.480 Randy Weingarten, who tweets out, I agree with Emily Oster on.

00:41:06.040 I mean, could you please just sit down, just be quiet, just get fired.

00:41:12.620 That's what we want from you.

00:41:13.620 No more talking, just your firing.

00:41:16.580 Megan, I have to say, I'm a little bit torn about this.

00:41:19.160 I like Emily Oster a lot.

00:41:21.120 I have a nine month old.

00:41:22.560 I followed her stuff on pregnancy.

00:41:24.460 Like any women who are kind of like in my childbearing age, she kind of wrote the Bible because she wrote the book that's like, you know, relax.

00:41:31.560 You can eat sushi.

00:41:32.880 You can drink some wine.

00:41:34.300 So, you know, we all follow her.

00:41:36.320 And her stuff is good.

00:41:38.380 But I this is a bad piece.

00:41:40.000 And she is she has written it to get back in the good graces of the elite lefties with she's a professor at Brown.

00:41:47.100 OK, like this is her milieu.

00:41:48.940 And she has not quite realized like who her friends are and who they aren't.

00:41:54.360 And therein lies the problem here.

00:41:56.980 And I'd be much more open, I think, to her argument here had the the powers that be come to the public and said, like, hey, we screwed up.

00:42:09.700 We're sorry.

00:42:11.340 And we've learned from our experience, our experiences.

00:42:14.760 And here's how we're going to do it different next time.

00:42:16.960 But I think she's offering an amnesty when there's been no there's really been no public accountability or apology from the part of many of these people, starting with Randy Weingarten.

00:42:27.540 How about she's like, obviously, some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims.

00:42:33.440 I'm waiting for her to talk about Dr. Fauci and how he misled us on masks and he misled us on gain of function and he misled us on herd immunity, to name just a few.

00:42:43.020 OK, let's let's drop the hammer, Emily.

00:42:45.220 Get your guy.

00:42:46.340 Give us some credibility for you that you'll hit the left on their obvious lies and wildly irresponsible claims.

00:42:51.340 And you know what she goes to?

00:42:52.660 Remember when public health, the public health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach?

00:43:00.160 That was bad.

00:43:01.220 And OK, sure, that was a much bigger deal than all of Anthony Fauci's lies on gain of function and his smearing of the great Barrington doctors who just wanted focused protection that would focus on the elderly and not, you know, send a bunch of kids out of schools, which would have impacted learning and so on and has.

00:43:21.940 I mean, this is a dishonest piece and it's being ripped for good reason.

00:43:25.500 And I will tell you, I recently went to a thing where Emily Oster spoke and I was totally underwhelmed.

00:43:30.540 She was talking about her last book in which it's all about how you should do a spreadsheet and how to run your family.

00:43:35.720 I'm like, all right, how you should talk to your husband and how like your husband and you need to go in different rooms and come up with lists on how you feel.

00:43:42.300 And like most people just call that a conversation that you can have easily.

00:43:45.320 You don't need a fucking spreadsheet.

00:43:46.640 OK, sorry.

00:43:47.700 Bitter party of one to hate her piece.

00:43:51.940 We got to talk about The View.

00:43:52.980 The View decided to celebrate Halloween yesterday instead of Joy Behar revising her blackface years.

00:43:59.160 She decided they decided to celebrate the following.

00:44:03.120 They brought out children, including the following children, one of whom or a group of whom I haven't seen the photos yet.

00:44:09.160 We'll see them together.

00:44:10.200 We're dressed as how did they manage this?

00:44:13.260 The Mar-a-Lago raid.

00:44:15.140 Let's watch.

00:44:15.820 OK, so one of the hugest topics that you guys talked about this year, the raid on Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate.

00:44:23.160 Yes.

00:44:31.140 OK, so it looks like it's got a Trump holding documents with the Trump wig and two little police officers wearing FBI jackets.

00:44:38.820 OK, that's the one recommendation.

00:44:45.780 And then here's another one with a child dressed up as an Oscars slap.

00:44:51.300 This is a reference to the Will Smith, Chris Rock thing.

00:44:54.380 Here it is.

00:44:55.160 This year, the Oscars made huge headlines, but it really it wasn't about one.

00:45:02.000 It comes out a little gold statue.

00:45:04.160 Oh, there they have a picture of Rock and Will Smith.

00:45:06.640 When he went up and slapped Chris Rock.

00:45:10.640 Now, we do not want to endorse violence of any kind, but we couldn't help but talk about one of the hottest hot topics this year.

00:45:17.160 So we have our red handprint on the kid's face.

00:45:19.920 I'm sorry.

00:45:21.280 It's not funny.

00:45:22.220 It's stupid.

00:45:23.460 They're not clever.

00:45:24.760 Yet another swing and a miss by the ladies of The View.

00:45:26.880 What did you guys think?

00:45:28.240 I absolutely hate costumes that have to be explained or if you have to add like a name tag.

00:45:34.100 I just it's it drives me insane and they're doing that.

00:45:37.420 But it's also just in general so incredibly cringe because they and like that's what's funny is like they and their producers legitimately think this is hilarious.

00:45:47.120 Nobody else thinks this is funny, but they do.

00:45:49.800 So they're going to enjoy it.

00:45:51.480 The kids are adorable.

00:45:52.480 I can at least say that much.

00:45:53.800 Yeah, there's that.

00:45:55.000 Can I tell you this is what they needed to do?

00:45:56.820 This is my window last night at Halloween.

00:45:58.700 OK, this is how Halloween is done.

00:46:00.580 No explanation required.

00:46:01.880 Just watch.

00:46:03.340 Watch this.

00:46:07.880 The listening audience, you can see ghosts floating in my window.

00:46:12.240 Why would you play with me?

00:46:21.740 Don't wait!

00:46:26.000 Stand by.

00:46:28.920 There's like a little girl in the window.

00:46:31.880 There she goes.

00:46:40.040 She's screaming.

00:46:41.060 I'm sorry, ladies, but I want Halloween.

00:46:42.980 That's it.

00:46:43.400 I want it.

00:46:44.760 That's amazing.

00:46:45.320 That's pretty good.

00:46:46.260 The sound is amazing.

00:46:47.520 That's pretty good.

00:46:48.620 I knew I had I had done a good job when there was like a little five year old girl who was too terrified to come up to the door.

00:46:53.420 I'm like, nailed it!

00:46:54.260 But the media is going to love that, Megan.

00:46:58.020 They're like, Megan Kelly revels in terrifying children.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, I did.

00:47:01.660 And I for the record, I went to her.

00:47:03.800 But I was I knew I had done something good.

00:47:05.280 It's Halloween.

00:47:05.900 You're supposed to be scared.

00:47:06.980 And anyway, great to see you, ladies.

00:47:08.560 And to be continued.

00:47:09.560 They're coming back next week to talk about elections.

00:47:11.860 Coming up, Harry, William and King Charles with an author who knows them very well.

00:47:15.900 Over the next hour, we are going to take a close look at one of the most talked about, complex and perhaps misunderstood men of our time.

00:47:28.440 Britain's new king, King Charles III.

00:47:31.820 What really happened behind palace walls with Princess Diana?

00:47:35.160 How did his affair with Camilla begin?

00:47:38.020 And what does Charles really think about Meghan Markle?

00:47:41.420 My next guest has the answers.

00:47:43.840 He's done the research for 50 years.

00:47:46.220 He has covered the royal family and is the critically acclaimed author of 18 New York Times bestsellers.

00:47:52.960 His latest book, The King, The Life of Charles III, hits shelves next week.

00:47:58.120 But we are lucky enough to get a sneak peek right now.

00:48:01.740 Christopher Anderson, welcome to the show.

00:48:03.720 Megan, thanks for having me.

00:48:05.420 The pleasure's all mine.

00:48:06.380 I think I know your daughter a bit, Kate.

00:48:08.760 You do?

00:48:09.980 Yes, absolutely.

00:48:11.440 I didn't.

00:48:11.760 I never put that together.

00:48:13.840 Yeah, you never put it together.

00:48:15.220 Oh, no, no.

00:48:15.980 She said she has a book of her own coming out.

00:48:17.920 We won't talk about that right now.

00:48:19.700 Okay, well, send her my regards and much love.

00:48:23.080 She wrote a great one about First Ladies not long ago.

00:48:25.940 Right.

00:48:26.080 So you've written a bunch yourself, and you have been neck deep in Charles before he was king, and now he is king.

00:48:33.880 And I think, you know, one of the things that it brought out to me, like one of the things that stood out to me was how bad Charles had it when he was sent away to school, how badly he was bullied.

00:48:45.020 I heard it referenced, like in passing before, but I wound up walking away saying to myself, how is it possible that the future king could go through this?

00:48:56.080 No one would intervene.

00:48:57.140 They would just allow him to have this experience.

00:48:59.100 Can you tell us about it?

00:49:00.600 It's a heartbreaking childhood, and it really is a window onto what makes this guy tick.

00:49:06.640 I mean, imagine it.

00:49:08.380 You know, from infancy, you are brought in twice a day to spend 15 minutes with your parents.

00:49:14.600 Your nannies bring you in at 9 o'clock in the morning, 15 minutes.

00:49:17.960 Then you get trucked back at 6 just before dinner, before the adults all have dinner, 15 minutes with mommy and daddy.

00:49:24.900 That's it.

00:49:25.680 So, of course, they lean on the grandmother, which is the queen mother, or the nanny, certainly.

00:49:31.420 But, you know, Charles has said many, many times the queen was cold and aloof and unapproachable, and Philip was worse.

00:49:40.740 I mean, he was outright bullying, but whom, you know, was described as hectoring and rough and all that stuff.

00:49:46.840 But I just think there's so many instances in the book that really kind of make you a heartbreaker if you're just thinking about a little boy.

00:49:52.180 And I think the most touching image of this period is when he's four years old, and the mummy's been away for six months.

00:50:01.180 And so the queen comes back from her first tour of the Commonwealth, and she gets off the ship, and he runs up to hug her.

00:50:07.540 But she literally pushes him aside because she has adults to greet.

00:50:11.780 And then when it's finally his turn, she reaches down and shakes his hand like he was 45 years old.

00:50:19.360 Contrast that with Diana.

00:50:20.600 You know, Diana, remember those wonderful pictures of her just sweeping William and Harry up in her arms whenever she came back from the trip or something?

00:50:27.040 I mean, it just left him with this huge emotional scar.

00:50:30.740 And when you go down the list of times Charles was sick, I mean, he had tonsillitis, or tonsillectomy.

00:50:39.100 He had very bad flu.

00:50:40.880 He had broke his ankle falling down the stairs.

00:50:43.400 He had his appendix almost burst, and he had an emergency appendectomy.

00:50:47.560 All those times and more, the queen and Prince Philip never visited him in the hospital, which I find amazing.

00:50:56.560 I mean, the hospital was just a few blocks away.

00:51:00.980 And then they sent him off to a Scottish boarding school where things went from bad to worse.

00:51:07.920 Tell us about his experience there.

00:51:10.720 How do you pronounce the name of this place?

00:51:13.720 Gordonston.

00:51:15.040 You're talking about the Scottish boarding school.

00:51:16.800 Yes, and the Kolditz Castle.

00:51:19.620 Right.

00:51:20.000 Well, Kolditz Castle was a German prisoner of war camp, and he likened Gordonston to that.

00:51:25.620 But he said it was torture, pure hell.

00:51:28.500 He hated every minute of it.

00:51:29.720 Nobody should be put through that kind of a life.

00:51:31.680 What was happening to him is because he was going to be king, and all the other kids knew it,

00:51:36.360 and nobody wanted to look like what they called a sucka, even in England.

00:51:40.080 And so it was a great sport to bash him in the head with a book, knock him down,

00:51:46.120 wake him up in his sleep by kicking him in the head.

00:51:48.300 He had physical abuse the entire time he was at the school from other class.

00:51:52.380 And they hung him up naked in a shower, kind of like a cage, and left him there and sprayed him with ice water.

00:51:58.960 He wrote these letters home.

00:52:00.980 If you read them, it's just very sad.

00:52:03.780 He's pleading with his parents to take him out.

00:52:06.020 He's telling them what's happening to him.

00:52:07.860 He's trying to get the queen mother to intervene.

00:52:10.020 But the queen, Prince Philip, no, you have to go through all of this.

00:52:14.180 So, yeah.

00:52:15.480 You've got them in the book, and here's, you quote from them as follows.

00:52:20.000 This is just one example.

00:52:21.540 He writes home, the people in my dormitory are foul.

00:52:24.440 Goodness, they're horrid.

00:52:25.880 I don't see how anybody could be so foul.

00:52:28.600 And you write, it didn't help that he snored because, according to the prince,

00:52:31.760 most nights he was pummeled with shoes, pillows, and fists.

00:52:34.300 Quote, I simply dread going to bed, he complained, because I get hit all night long.

00:52:40.020 And wrote about this school, that it was a prison, the worst place on earth, pure torture.

00:52:46.820 I hated every minute of it.

00:52:48.760 So why didn't they pull him?

00:52:52.260 Philip had a cruel streak, to be quite honest with you.

00:52:55.140 I know at old age, everybody wants to say, oh, aren't they warm and fuzzy?

00:52:58.160 And that's what happens.

00:52:59.220 People do sometimes soften up when they get older.

00:53:01.740 And I suppose that was the case with Philip.

00:53:03.340 But, you know, as a father, the queen had turned everything over to Philip.

00:53:07.260 Because Philip had to always walk, you know, so many paces behind her and be in the shadow of the queen.

00:53:13.480 The trade-off was, well, Philip, you're going to have total say in how the kids are raised.

00:53:18.200 And he had a very similar childhood and very rough boarding schools.

00:53:22.200 And that's what he wanted Charles to go through.

00:53:24.380 But there are more telling incidents, Megan, when he's a teen, even up to his teenage years, when Charles is being belittled by his father in front of people.

00:53:34.440 His father always made fun of him, reduced him to tears sometimes.

00:53:38.080 And I think as a result, Charles always has seen himself as a victim, basically.

00:53:43.720 That's what we're dealing with.

00:53:44.680 He was trying to toughen him up, but that doesn't always work, you know, with kids just by putting them through hell.

00:53:51.340 Sometimes it can just cause lasting damage.

00:53:54.280 And I've joked many times on the show, the way to raise, I think, a future leader or somebody who's super successful is you need a little damage.

00:54:01.840 Like a little chip on the shoulder may not be a bad thing, but you cross over to massive damage.

00:54:06.820 You really just got somebody who's wounded and hurt.

00:54:09.340 Right. And I think that's definitely what happened in this case.

00:54:13.500 And now he's finally got the top job, as Diana used to call it.

00:54:18.460 And we're going to have to wait and see if, you know, I know he's waited too long.

00:54:23.980 Let's say he's waited longer than anybody else for the heir of the throne, seven years compared to just 59 for Edward VII.

00:54:31.580 So he's going to bring all of that emotional baggage with him to this job.

00:54:35.340 And it's a big one. So we'll see how it turns out.

00:54:37.580 Well, do we think he's like, we don't know Prince Charles, but I mean, King Charles now, but is he a happy person?

00:54:43.620 Is he a morose person?

00:54:46.260 He can be an angry, a moody person.

00:54:48.780 And that behind the scenes, you know, you get stories.

00:54:51.860 And I write about this, about his temper. It's atrocious.

00:54:55.520 I mean, he, as a valet said, or valets, as they like to say, he lost a cufflink and couldn't get it out in the sink, couldn't get it out.

00:55:05.680 So he tore the sink off the wall and he spun around and grabbed his valet by the throat and tried to strangle him.

00:55:12.020 I mean, that was the kind of, it was typical of Charles.

00:55:16.280 And we got a little glimpse of it even during.

00:55:18.900 With the pen, the fountain pen.

00:55:20.640 Right.

00:55:20.740 But the fact, yeah, before that, when the guy didn't clear off the desk fast enough, when he sat down in Scotland to sign those papers and the guy, you know, he's used to getting his way.

00:55:32.440 And, you know, I think it's amazing to me that knowing the position he was in at that moment, you know, you'd think he'd be a little more savvy.

00:55:41.360 The whole world is watching him.

00:55:43.660 So let's have a little more self-control.

00:55:46.300 Well, it's like I hate to psychoanalyze him, but you almost feel like, OK, so here's this kid who didn't feel he had the love of his parents and certainly not the protection of his parents, was very badly bullied, arguably by them and certainly by his classmates.

00:55:59.620 And so what did he have?

00:56:00.620 He had his title.

00:56:01.800 He had this sense of importance.

00:56:03.720 I mean, I imagine a kid like that would be leaning into that, you know, like, you'll all be sorry when I'm king.

00:56:09.420 And so being treated like king and like royalty would become important to such a person because what else do they have?

00:56:16.220 Right.

00:56:16.440 And it's funny because he would weaponize that against his own parents when he got older because, for example, these are different things, but it's along the same lines.

00:56:24.940 And when the queen tried to talk him out of his affair with Camilla, I'm sorry, when Philip tried to talk him out of his affair with Camilla, you know, he said, I'm not going to be the first king without a mistress, first future king without a mistress.

00:56:39.700 You know, do you know who I am was something he has said over the years many, many times when his bidding wasn't done immediately.

00:56:49.340 So so, yeah, he's aware of understanding it better.

00:56:51.460 So he's not just like, you know, an egotistic jerk.

00:56:55.440 He's this is damage manifesting in somebody who really has something to prove now.

00:57:01.260 Can we talk about the Camilla?

00:57:03.020 I find this whole relationship fascinating.

00:57:05.320 She's going to be I mean, can you explain the difference between queen consort and queen?

00:57:10.600 And because she's going to be at least queen consort.

00:57:14.500 And I don't I don't really know.

00:57:15.860 Do you drop consort and that elevates her?

00:57:17.760 What's what's the difference between those two things?

00:57:19.300 Well, it's interesting because, you know, you've got the queen who's a sovereign monarch.

00:57:25.240 That would be Queen Elizabeth who inherited it because she was the only child of the last month, the monarch before her.

00:57:31.220 But the queen mother was a queen consort.

00:57:34.560 But this consort notion is kind of an invention, a recent one.

00:57:40.020 She will be.

00:57:41.880 Yes, by virtue of being his consort, she will be queen.

00:57:45.060 She will be called Queen Camilla.

00:57:46.380 And that's a big hurdle that Charles is going to have to get over because there's a lot of resentment still in England toward her.

00:57:54.680 I mean, you remember how she was how people felt about her.

00:57:57.480 She's the most hated woman in the UK and maybe even in the world, really.

00:58:04.160 She's got to be hoping that his philosophy of I will not be the first king without a mistress has has waned.

00:58:09.320 So she tells about their relationship because you write in the book that she was she was a snob.

00:58:20.240 This is one of the reasons why she didn't like Princess Kate, who is now Princess Kate, Kate Middleton.

00:58:25.100 But Camilla, she always thought of herself as upper crust.

00:58:28.540 And she was going to be like the whisperer with Charles.

00:58:31.000 And she got married pretty young after he got with Diana.

00:58:37.800 Do you think she ever had like designs on breaking up that marriage to Diana and replacing her?

00:58:43.920 Well, no, as a matter of fact, since her great grandmother was Alice Keppel, who was the mistress of Edward VII and really his true love.

00:58:53.220 I mean, when Edward VII died, Queen Alexandra called Alice Keppel to the king's bedside because she knew he was she was the really hit the love of that king's life.

00:59:03.740 So the first time they meet, she walks up to him and says, Camilla walks up to Prince Charles, then Prince Charles, and says, well, my great grandmother and your great great grandfather were lovers.

00:59:18.440 So how about it?

00:59:19.420 And, you know, she pretty much made it clear what her intentions were at the time.

00:59:24.240 And she thought even in childhood, she'd said I told her friends that she she bragged about being the descendant of the king's mistress.

00:59:34.440 And and later when she was right when she got out of school, she took a job like a lot of these aristocrats do.

00:59:39.400 She is the granddaughter of a baron.

00:59:41.600 And she, you know, they were all marrying lords and dukes and whatever.

00:59:46.100 And so they asked, why aren't you marrying a lord or a duke?

00:59:48.340 And she said, I'm holding out for a king.

00:59:51.440 And that's the most revealing moment I think about Camilla.

00:59:54.780 She was.

00:59:56.420 What drew her to her?

00:59:57.760 Because as much as he didn't seem to love Diana, all of his statements about Camilla have been have sounded totally different.

01:00:05.220 I mean, I do believe he's deeply in love with her and has been for a long, long time.

01:00:09.660 What what is it about her?

01:00:11.200 You know, from the outside, it's not immediately apparent.

01:00:13.920 What is it?

01:00:17.020 No, it's not.

01:00:18.580 Somebody said, you know, the problem.

01:00:20.340 Yeah.

01:00:21.020 The mistake Charles made was he married his trope, his trophy wife first.

01:00:25.460 That was that's what they said.

01:00:27.100 Look, he was infatuated with Camilla from the get go after that first meeting.

01:00:33.120 Well, how about it?

01:00:34.040 Well, then they did have an affair.

01:00:35.400 But then he went off in the military for his military training because the future king has to go in all of the services.

01:00:41.240 And while he's at sea, she marries somebody else.

01:00:44.720 Parker Bowles.

01:00:46.020 Andrew Parker Bowles, who was also in the circle.

01:00:49.380 He was a captain, but he was in the army.

01:00:51.840 He was in the royal circle there.

01:00:54.940 And boy, Charles just went off the deep end.

01:00:58.860 He was heartbroken, you know, devastated.

01:01:01.040 And he wrote letters about it to Lord Mountbatten, who was his kind of surrogate father.

01:01:06.960 But yes, so he but he was in love with her.

01:01:09.400 And then when when he was when Charles was basically forced to marry and ironically.

01:01:17.860 Camilla and another mistress of Charles named Lady Kanga Tryon, they were the people who picked Diana out to be his bride, to be the, you know, the mother.

01:01:28.460 I mean, his bride had to be a virgin under British tradition.

01:01:32.420 And and this was the woman who was going to have his two children and the heir to the throne.

01:01:36.600 He did not want to get married, but they knew he had to.

01:01:39.400 And these two women, mistresses of his, picked Diana.

01:01:43.560 And from then on, of course, you know, history came in.

01:01:46.880 Disaster.

01:01:48.740 Disaster ensued.

01:01:49.720 He was 31.

01:01:51.480 Diana was 19.

01:01:53.460 It's crazy when you think about that and how she was handpicked.

01:01:57.300 And you write in the book about that moment that we can all remember now where they gave their joint interview, Charles and Diana, upon engagement.

01:02:05.640 And the question of love came up.

01:02:07.360 And my God, every woman in America and probably in Great Britain wanted to smack him when the following took place at Soundbite 10.

01:02:13.820 Can you find the words to sum up how you feel today, both of you?

01:02:20.440 Difficult to find the right sort of word, isn't it, really?

01:02:23.320 Just delighted and happy.

01:02:25.700 I'm amazed that she's been brave enough to take me on.

01:02:30.280 And I suppose in love.

01:02:32.500 Of course.

01:02:34.340 Whatever in love means.

01:02:35.620 Yes.

01:02:36.020 Well, it obviously means two very happy people.

01:02:40.040 Yes.

01:02:40.440 Once again, congratulations.

01:02:41.500 Well, from us, congratulations.

01:02:42.800 Thank you very much.

01:02:44.380 Mm.

01:02:45.720 I know.

01:02:46.720 Cringe.

01:02:48.040 It's cringe.

01:02:48.880 Well, and also, you know, this really sad thing is that she was in love with it.

01:02:54.020 You know, I'm convinced of that.

01:02:55.320 I'm sort of team Diana along here.

01:02:57.220 A lot of people have kind of demonized her in recent years in England in particular.

01:03:01.720 And, in fact, she's, I think she was kind of driven to the actions that she took by what was happening to her and what that relationship was like.

01:03:11.120 You know, the famous line, there were three of us in this marriage.

01:03:14.000 And that was through from the get-go.

01:03:15.320 At her wedding, she walks down the aisle and she said she could see Camilla sitting there with her own son, Tom, Camilla's son, who's again a young boy, on her lap.

01:03:24.900 And she just, Diana was saying to herself, I feel like the lamb of the slaughter, you know.

01:03:29.960 Why would Charles say that?

01:03:31.640 Like, why wouldn't he just go, okay, we're going to go through the motions, we're going to get a bride, we're going to get the mother of my children, but, you know, this is not the love of my life.

01:03:39.480 But we're putting on a display for the public.

01:03:42.780 We know what the display requires, a showing of affection, and, you know, you've got to fake it, basically, fake that you love this person.

01:03:49.680 So, was that for Camilla's sake, that he wouldn't just say, yes, of course, love, not whatever love is, really?

01:03:57.620 I know.

01:03:58.160 I think it's also lingering resentment.

01:04:00.740 I think it is for Camilla's sake in part, although she's the person who went and married somebody else.

01:04:05.540 And then, by the way, sent him on this kind of sexual, you know, a series of affairs with lots of different women in response to that, which I write about in the book as well.

01:04:16.280 But, yeah, I think he could have been a lot more savvy.

01:04:19.480 You know, he'd made a lot of gaffes over the years.

01:04:21.920 At one point, not when the boys were teenagers, or, yeah, they were still teenagers, he, you know, just told off the press corps on an open mic and talked about the people he hated who were standing just feet in front of them.

01:04:34.700 And everyone was just amazed that he was so lacking in that kind of savvy.

01:04:39.380 He just will not control himself the way he should.

01:04:42.000 The decorum that his mother certainly had, and unfailingly, I mean, just she was unflinching in her appropriateness.

01:04:51.800 That soundbite you mentioned, so ultimately after their marriage fell apart and all the affairs, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:56.860 And Diana had affairs, too.

01:04:58.480 It should be noted for the record.

01:04:59.460 He was not the only one who wandered.

01:05:00.760 She wandered quite a bit, too, which I'll talk to you about in one second.

01:05:04.140 But she was asked in this interview she gave about Camilla.

01:05:07.900 This is Sot 13.

01:05:09.000 Do you think Mrs. Parker Bowles was a factor in the breakdown of your marriage?

01:05:15.760 Well, there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded.

01:05:23.360 So that was with Martin Bashir.

01:05:24.660 That would become very, very well known.

01:05:26.940 People hated Prince Charles because of it.

01:05:29.220 You know, she's so demure.

01:05:30.140 She's so beautiful.

01:05:30.980 But truly, in his defense, there really was more to the story.

01:05:35.180 And Diana was not a faithful spouse to him either.

01:05:38.060 No, that's true.

01:05:39.880 But again, my feeling is that she's more or less driven to it.

01:05:43.120 If it hadn't been for Camilla, I don't think it would have started this kind of domino, had this domino effect that it had on their relationship.

01:05:50.620 And, of course, you're looking at the boys now and thinking with, I mean, see, as far as Camilla becoming queen,

01:05:57.780 and there's a move of a foot right now to get rid of the consort part.

01:06:03.440 I mean, Charles is absolutely going to shove that aside so she will just be queen.

01:06:07.880 I think that it's one thing to be told that Camilla will be queen.

01:06:14.920 It's another thing to watch them place that crown on the top of her head during the coronation, which will be watched by billions of people this coming May 6th.

01:06:23.080 But there's a lot of resentment toward Camilla even today.

01:06:28.220 But it's lessening.

01:06:28.980 If you look at the polls, you know, I remember looking at these because I was seeing what happened with Meghan and Harry and their approval.

01:06:34.740 And it wasn't good.

01:06:35.720 But Camilla's had gotten better.

01:06:38.680 It used to be really low.

01:06:40.360 The lowest is Prince Andrew.

01:06:42.040 And after him is, I think, Meghan Markle.

01:06:44.900 And then Harry.

01:06:46.540 I know, exactly.

01:06:47.260 So it kind of edges up.

01:06:48.140 But Camilla's above them now.

01:06:49.960 Like, they're warming to her.

01:06:52.120 Well, you know, but she's still unpopular.

01:06:54.160 I mean, she's not in the positive region.

01:06:56.420 What happened was there was, as recently as last November, polls show that only 14% of people, even then, would accept her as queen, as queen sponsor.

01:07:08.220 And, yes, when the queen, Queen Elizabeth, you know, gave her stamp of approval, that changed everything for a while.

01:07:17.080 But I think that's actually kind of eroding now.

01:07:19.020 I mean, she jumped from 14% to 50% in that region.

01:07:22.320 But she's going back to where she was, because people are beginning to, you know, the honeymoon's over.

01:07:26.820 Now it's real.

01:07:28.420 Yeah.

01:07:28.820 And so, and it's going to be, you know, just a little aside.

01:07:31.980 There's a little dust up behind palace walls about what crown they're going to use.

01:07:37.360 For Camilla, there was talk of her wanting to have the queen mother's crown.

01:07:42.600 And the queen mother's crown is a humdinger.

01:07:44.740 Let me tell you, it has the Koh-I-Noor diamond in it.

01:07:47.540 Oh, boy.

01:07:47.900 You know, 105 carats is worth half a billion dollars, by some estimates.

01:07:53.760 And it sits in the middle of this huge thing, which is festooned with rubies and other gems that are outstanding.

01:08:01.020 There's a feeling that that would be too much, you know, on top of everything else.

01:08:07.540 And also, it would make the nation of India angry, because the Koh-I-Noor diamond was kind of basically taken by Queen Victoria to settle the dispute.

01:08:17.400 I went back and looked at this.

01:08:18.720 I went back and looked at this just for kicks one time.

01:08:20.660 And it was like, it's so confusing.

01:08:21.800 If you actually want to find the origins of that diamond, you're going to go down a deep rabbit hole.

01:08:25.580 You know, like somebody stole it from some king magically.

01:08:28.000 He had it, then suddenly he was dead, and another country had it.

01:08:30.700 Then suddenly he was dead, and another country had it.

01:08:33.840 But in any event, it's a controversial diamond.

01:08:35.560 So, yeah, there's enough controversy around her.

01:08:38.920 Right.

01:08:39.200 Well, I mean, she doesn't need any more controversy.

01:08:41.200 That's what I'm sure.

01:08:41.860 So we'll see what happens there.

01:08:43.100 But my feeling, you know, one of the major bits of new information in the book is about this, it's a quid pro quo deal, an unspoken quid pro quo deal, about it really resulted in the Queen endorsing Camilla earlier this year.

01:09:04.300 And I think that's the key to their success, citing that.

01:09:07.720 But we'll see if that works.

01:09:09.560 But what's the nature of the deal?

01:09:11.340 So the Queen blessed it.

01:09:12.400 What did the Queen get?

01:09:14.120 Well, what the Queen got was Charles not saying anything about the $14 million payment she contributed to significantly out of her private funds to pay off the settlement for Prince Andrew's Jeffrey Epstein case.

01:09:30.000 Charles had been one of the strongest people in the family, along with William, in standing up and saying, no, we're not going to tolerate this.

01:09:38.700 You know, Andrew, you know, Andrew, even though he is mommy's favorite child, is going to be basically sidelined, banished from the family and punished, stripped of this title is the whole thing.

01:09:49.640 Charles is behind that with William's support.

01:09:51.500 It was expected that if the Queen said she was going to pay for this settlement, this $14 million civil settlement, Charles was going to put up a ruckus.

01:10:00.500 But the men in gray behind the scenes actually suggested that this might be an exchange, a good time, February 6th, the actual 70th anniversary of Elizabeth's reign, to finally endorse Camilla.

01:10:15.680 It's something that she had said she would never be. The Queen had for 17 years since Charles' marriage to Camilla refused to make that statement.

01:10:24.780 But you may recall, out of the blue, she says it. Takes everybody by surprise.

01:10:28.600 Oh, the Queen now wants Camilla to be Queen. No one expected that.

01:10:32.480 I think, least of all, William and Harry, and I think it hurt them, actually.

01:10:36.200 She found a way to protect both sons. I mean, it's pretty clever on her part, right?

01:10:41.080 That she helped Andrew and she gave Charles what he wanted in the process.

01:10:44.020 Right, and it shows you how transactional some of these things are behind the scenes.

01:10:47.700 And again, it doesn't have to be a written document. It doesn't have to be a formal, stated thing.

01:10:52.780 But the guys, you know, working behind the scenes, working out the details, it became a quid pro quo and it didn't work for both.

01:11:00.340 So I'm curious, when we talk about, we didn't really get into it, but the book does a good job of exposing some of Camilla's snobbery.

01:11:06.020 And you talk about her background here and why she was that way.

01:11:09.300 Now she's going to be Queen. And Charles, you write about, you know, he was very open-minded to Meghan Markle, but that he felt snubbed, somewhat snubbed.

01:11:18.260 He walked her halfway down the aisle and she broke up with her dad.

01:11:22.140 So how do you think King Charles and Queen Camilla now look at this commoner, you know, Meghan Markle?

01:11:31.320 Like, they didn't like Kate. She came from a working-class family, but she's been a total team player.

01:11:36.140 How do you think they now see Meghan Markle, who comes as a TV divorcee, which is what I was before when I married my second husband.

01:11:42.540 I had zero chance of marrying into the royal family, so I could say it. She was a TV divorcee.

01:11:46.180 How do you think they're looking at her now?

01:11:49.600 Well, you know, there was, and by the way, Kate is not in the same league.

01:11:53.160 I mean, Kate Middleton is, I'm a huge fan of her.

01:11:56.160 I think she's just, you know, is doing a spectacular job.

01:11:59.280 And I always think she was always underrated previously.

01:12:02.220 And the family loves her now and they have leaner popularity, it's not questionable.

01:12:06.100 But when you go to Harry and Meghan, you're absolutely right.

01:12:10.380 I think there's an element, initially there was an element of betrayal here.

01:12:14.780 I mean, obviously the royals embraced Meghan initially.

01:12:18.540 They, you know, you remember that trip that Elizabeth and Meghan took, they were on the royal train.

01:12:25.880 They went, made a trip to West England.

01:12:28.860 And they were laughing and having the greatest time.

01:12:31.280 They absolutely clicked.

01:12:32.640 There was no question about it.

01:12:33.700 And as you said, Charles walked Meghan, you know, down the last half of the aisle during the wedding.

01:12:39.760 And he was fawning, you know, all over the, you know, Harry's mother-in-law.

01:12:45.660 I mean, he was genuinely, he genuinely liked Doria Raglin and they became very friendly.

01:12:52.540 That's Maykel's mom.

01:12:54.200 So it's the slap in the face.

01:12:57.800 I think now there's been a lot of simmering resentment and bitterness.

01:13:01.760 And every time they're reminded of this book that's going to come out in January, Harry's book Spare, you know, it's just another moment for them to be terrified.

01:13:14.180 Because they have no idea what's going to be coming their way.

01:13:16.520 So I think, and then by the way, I was, shouldn't have been surprised, but I was a little surprised at the tension between Harry and Meghan and all the rest of the world during the funeral.

01:13:26.980 I mean, I would have thought they could have, if not buried the hatchet, at least put it to the side for a minute.

01:13:32.440 But it was clear what was going on.

01:13:34.380 They were being shunted aside.

01:13:36.560 Charles still came and said, no, you can't wear your uniform.

01:13:39.240 In the beginning, if you remember, during the funeral, Harry was not allowed to wear his uniform to these various ceremonies, but Andrew was.

01:13:47.860 Edward was, and he'd never been in the military.

01:13:50.060 No, I thought Andrew was not.

01:13:51.740 Neither one was.

01:13:53.240 No, in the beginning he was.

01:13:54.640 He had a uniform on.

01:13:57.800 I was stunned in the very kind of opening scenes of the funeral.

01:14:03.420 So, but later on, Charles, I'm sorry, Harry was allowed to wear his ceremonial garb, his uniform during the vigil of the grandchildren.

01:14:16.320 He used to be called the vigil of the prince.

01:14:17.500 And I understand he served his country.

01:14:19.960 He did, and he fought in Afghanistan, but, you know, he left the royal family.

01:14:23.340 Like, you quit, you know, like if I, if I, I quit Fox News, I don't get to wear the little jacket anymore.

01:14:28.640 You know, it's like, that's how it goes.

01:14:30.480 Well, you do kind of wonder, somebody said to give up the royal family to become what an influencer is, you know, is about what happens.

01:14:39.500 It's a mystery.

01:14:40.420 I think, right, you know, there are always people who want to liken women who enter the royal family who don't seem up to snuff in terms of their backgrounds, aristocrats or whatever.

01:14:52.760 They always liken them to Wallace Simpson.

01:14:55.980 But in this case, you know, it, it's coming more into focus.

01:15:01.140 I believe that that's what a lot of the people in the royal family think they have on their hands.

01:15:05.600 And I can see why.

01:15:07.960 Yeah, it is.

01:15:09.580 Yeah, it's irritating to them.

01:15:11.060 It's hurtful to them.

01:15:12.140 I think William is more angry than his father about the position that he's been put in because he doesn't have any help, you know?

01:15:17.760 Yeah.

01:15:18.500 Well, you mentioned that earlier that maybe Charles asked William about Andrew and they were on the same page about him needing to be shunned.

01:15:26.280 How many, how involved do you think William is and is going to be in now King Charles decision making?

01:15:33.700 Right.

01:15:33.900 Because Charles is what, 70, 70, 73?

01:15:37.280 How old is he?

01:15:38.520 73.

01:15:39.340 Yes.

01:15:39.520 So like, you know, he doesn't have, even if, even if he has his mom's great genes, yeah, he doesn't have that long on the throne.

01:15:45.920 So you got to think he's, he's, I don't know, how big a role will William play over the next 10, 20 years?

01:15:52.540 Yeah, but this is the biggest misconception, I think.

01:15:54.620 And that is that this is a caretaker king.

01:15:56.700 He's just keeping the throne warm for William.

01:15:59.460 He is going to, I think longevity will be in play.

01:16:02.440 I think he will be around long enough to make a real impact.

01:16:05.320 And he's just determined to do that.

01:16:06.800 You know, he wants to make a change.

01:16:08.600 And I think what he's going to do, and he's already started in smallish ways, but he doesn't want to modernize, streamline, you know, bring it into the 21st century.

01:16:18.060 Ironically, this man is more of a 19th century, I think, than the 21st.

01:16:21.560 But he does have definite plans.

01:16:24.240 Most of these involve cost cutting and how you finance the monarchy and all that.

01:16:30.700 But of course, we're talking about a billion dollar institution here.

01:16:34.280 William will be.

01:16:35.320 I'm not going to lie.

01:16:35.940 It's fun to think about these, like, lesser royals kind of being kicked out.

01:16:39.420 It's like, I'm sure the British people are sick of them climbing on getting the taxpayer dollars.

01:16:44.320 I don't I don't know.

01:16:45.300 I just feel like downsizing of an institution that's not that popular is a good idea.

01:16:50.040 Am I off?

01:16:51.680 No, you're you're right.

01:16:52.700 I mean, I think it'll be interesting to see what the blowback is with some of the people we do know.

01:16:57.300 Not that they're the biggest names in the royal family.

01:16:59.940 But years ago, and I write about this in the book, you know, Charles actually proposed that several royals be kicked off the payroll and suggested it wouldn't be a bad idea if Beatrice and Eugenie, Andrew's daughters, became Lady Beatrice and Lady Eugenie, no longer princesses.

01:17:17.580 You know, Andrew, this is before the Epstein thing.

01:17:21.340 So Andrew had some clout.

01:17:22.380 He went to mummy and said, that's not happening.

01:17:24.900 And it didn't.

01:17:26.180 But it could now, you know.

01:17:27.660 Well, and that leads me that leads me to Harry's children and whether they're going to be prince and princess.

01:17:33.480 I'm going to leave that as my tease, squeeze in a quick break and come back.

01:17:37.140 We've got much more to discuss with Christopher Anderson.

01:17:39.760 So interesting.

01:17:40.720 I find this whole thing fascinating.

01:17:42.240 This whole way of life is fascinating.

01:17:44.100 And the Charles backstory in particular had me page turning on the book.

01:17:47.520 Stand by.

01:17:51.480 Let's continue our discussion about Meghan and Harry and all that.

01:17:55.380 They made obviously big, big headlines.

01:17:57.980 Last year, when they gave their interview to Oprah, and rather than being appreciative of the many gifts that they had both received, thanks to the British people, and in her case, also thanks to the American people, they went out there and started whining about their lives.

01:18:13.340 I mean, I was on with Piers Morgan the very next day in that now infamous episode of his where, you know, he walked off and then he wound up not having a job saying.

01:18:22.480 We are up to our necks in dead bodies in America and Great Britain when it comes to covid first first responders dealing with a massive public health crisis, doctors and nurses dealing.

01:18:34.600 And she wants us to give a damn about what title her kid is going to get.

01:18:38.600 Well, we don't.

01:18:39.760 We don't.

01:18:40.580 Well, they're still whining about it.

01:18:42.340 And it is something that King Charles is holding over their heads about whether they're a little lily bet and Archie are going to be princes and princesses because he's got his book coming out now.

01:18:53.440 On January 10th, the spare, which seems provocative and like a poke.

01:18:57.600 She's got the Netflix special she's doing with him, her podcast and so on.

01:19:02.400 And there seems to be no limit to their appetite for ripping on the royals to whom they owe literally all of their fame and most of their fortune.

01:19:11.780 So what's going to happen there in your estimation?

01:19:16.280 Well, tell us how you really think.

01:19:20.500 I'm not shy.

01:19:21.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:23.180 No, I mean, look, of course, they're immensely unpopular.

01:19:26.980 And I do remember how you do.

01:19:28.880 I'm sure how popular Harry was.

01:19:30.420 He was you know, he was the yes, he had problems with drugs when he was young and made a lot of gaps.

01:19:36.100 The Nazi uniform, all this stuff, constant party.

01:19:38.820 But, you know, people loved it.

01:19:41.200 And his service 10 years in the army and, you know, actually in combat, that sort of thing.

01:19:47.040 And and then this happens and that you couldn't have had a larger poll race in the British in terms of the Brits.

01:19:53.920 I mean, they they you know, Megan is not high.

01:19:57.300 Well, you put the polls say it off, don't they?

01:19:59.940 Yeah, she's got like a less than 20 percent approval rating over there.

01:20:05.340 Right.

01:20:05.660 And I think I mean, again, you know, Camilla is a little better right now, but she'll sink down into that territory back to back to that area.

01:20:15.600 But it's kind of astounding.

01:20:18.240 And I guess it's just one of those things that I always was taken by the fact that, you know, from the from the get go, Megan Markle said that she knew nothing about Harry being a prince, knew nothing about the fact.

01:20:29.800 Well, you know, she's like every other young woman age, they were all he knew all she there were pictures of her at the gates of Buckingham Palace when she was a teenager, you know, for my age, it was JFK Jr.

01:20:45.080 For her age, it was Prince Harry.

01:20:47.160 Let's let's get real.

01:20:48.500 There's always that eligible bachelor in the Kennedys back when I was growing up with the closest thing we had to American royalty, even though we don't like royalty here.

01:20:55.980 And so she was a liar.

01:20:58.040 I mean, that's really what we're both saying.

01:20:59.340 She lied about it.

01:21:00.360 She lied.

01:21:00.720 And she my producer was pointing out she in her latest podcast, she's talking about whatever her guest mentions Harry and Megan replies.

01:21:09.640 Oh, my husband.

01:21:11.440 He's great.

01:21:12.260 Talking about helping her get the kids ready in the morning.

01:21:14.060 And my producer, Kelly, says, is it just me or is it so annoying how she always refers to him as my husband?

01:21:19.220 It's not just you, Kelly.

01:21:20.560 It is all of us.

01:21:21.380 My husband.

01:21:22.240 We get it.

01:21:22.980 You bag the gorilla.

01:21:24.800 Congratulations.

01:21:25.120 You got the you got the big bear.

01:21:26.920 You want us to know.

01:21:27.720 We know.

01:21:28.580 Right.

01:21:28.800 OK, so anyway, let's let's go back to the Harry and Megan interview with Oprah.

01:21:33.040 OK, where instead of being grateful for the many gifts that they've received, they decided to make a thing out of the royal family being racist.

01:21:41.800 And in particular, said as follows.

01:21:44.200 It's not 16.

01:21:44.980 In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time.

01:21:52.660 So we have in tandem the conversation of he won't be given security.

01:21:57.520 It's not going to be given a title.

01:21:58.880 And also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born.

01:22:10.480 What?

01:22:12.120 And.

01:22:13.880 Who who is having that conversation?

01:22:18.420 With you.

01:22:19.480 What?

01:22:25.640 So.

01:22:30.660 There is a conversation.

01:22:31.940 Hold it.

01:22:32.440 Hold up.

01:22:33.080 There's several.

01:22:33.680 There's several conversations.

01:22:34.900 There's a conversation with you.

01:22:38.680 With Harry.

01:22:40.240 About how dark your baby is going to be.

01:22:43.640 Potentially and what that would mean or look like.

01:22:46.880 Ooh.

01:22:50.860 And you're not going to tell me who had the conversation.

01:22:54.620 I think that would be very damaging to them.

01:22:58.320 Which is the entire point that was acting.

01:23:01.120 Standby.

01:23:01.620 I'm going to get you to weigh in on this, but I want to show where Harry weighed in on it shortly thereafter.

01:23:08.980 That conversation I'm never going to share.

01:23:13.640 But at the time, at the time, it was awkward.

01:23:17.440 I was a bit shocked.

01:23:19.580 Can you tell us what the question was?

01:23:21.760 No, I don't.

01:23:22.540 I'm not comfortable sharing that.

01:23:25.800 So you've got some information on this that made a lot of news.

01:23:29.660 Right.

01:23:30.040 What happened?

01:23:32.040 Well, I mean, you know, it was an innocent comment.

01:23:34.360 I've written about this before.

01:23:36.460 Made by.

01:23:37.640 And this was at the very beginning of it.

01:23:38.940 It was prior to the wedding of their engagement was about to be announced.

01:23:45.880 It was not during the pregnancy and it was not surrounding a discussion of titles or security about any baby.

01:23:52.240 Nothing like that at all.

01:23:53.260 It was an instant conversation about two people who are going to be, if they are going to be grandparents, you know, Charles and Camilla, speculating on what the kids might look like.

01:24:01.940 You know, obviously you have two very attractive people here and, gee, I wonder what color their eyes will be, what their hair will be like, you know, this kind of thing.

01:24:08.320 It was something I would say relatively benign and witnessed by several people and then spun into something toxic and rougher sounding by, again, the men in gray who operate the monarchy behind the scenes.

01:24:22.260 By the time it got to Harry and Meghan, it might have been something that they misinterpreted.

01:24:27.180 It was a game of telephone.

01:24:28.620 Let's put it that way.

01:24:29.980 But, you know, to imagine that there was anything venal or racist about it, I think is wrong and misguided and misleading.

01:24:39.980 Well, I mean, it's funny because a lot of our listeners and viewers have written in about this.

01:24:44.140 We've talked about this, obviously, many times, like any journalist covering those two.

01:24:47.060 And that interview has and in so many of our viewers who are in mixed race relationships say it is a very natural thing to talk about.

01:24:56.440 What's what's the baby going to look like?

01:24:58.060 You know, it's going to be darker or lighter, going to look like you, going to look like me.

01:25:00.680 It's not considered racist.

01:25:02.140 It's just you're curious about how your baby's going to look.

01:25:05.160 A judgment, a negative judgment attached to darker skin would be racist.

01:25:10.580 But just wondering if that's not racist.

01:25:14.060 It's not racist.

01:25:15.000 And then the thing, too, is it's doubly true of grandparents.

01:25:17.680 I'm a grandparent.

01:25:18.540 I can tell you that, you know, of course we did that with all three of our grandkids, you know.

01:25:22.600 I mean, why not?

01:25:23.980 It's fun to speculate on things like that.

01:25:26.040 And it doesn't show any disrespect or any hints of racism or anything of the sort.

01:25:30.580 And to jump to that conclusion based on that, I would find, you know, to be, in my view, pretty irresponsible.

01:25:38.600 But it's great if you're telling me that that the misunderstanding to be charitable came from the men in gray and that they were, you know, Harry was misled.

01:25:46.960 I'm sorry, but that doesn't let him off the hook.

01:25:48.740 He he should have he should know his father.

01:25:51.240 He should know that his dad is is not a racist.

01:25:54.360 I mean, there's no as far as I know, and you just wrote the bio on the guy.

01:25:58.100 There's not some history of the dad wearing a Nazi uniform at Halloween of the dad doing racist things that why would Harry so willingly jump to?

01:26:08.860 I'll never share it.

01:26:10.040 Yes, it would be very damaging.

01:26:11.440 There's a raging racist in my family.

01:26:14.560 Well, I think it's interesting, too.

01:26:15.780 If you look back at you, everybody remembers Harry's past.

01:26:18.680 I mean, he had trouble with the drugs he had when he was a teenager that got, you know, the tabloids out of the field that he wore the Nazi uniform and do a costume party.

01:26:29.880 He said some things people interpreted being anti-Muslim to some army buddies.

01:26:35.080 You know, he got water repeatedly.

01:26:37.520 He drank too much.

01:26:38.400 He was always being pulled out of clubs, drunk and stumbling about.

01:26:41.360 But all along the way, I have to hand it to Charles as a guy who was his whole child who was a mess, but he stepped up.

01:26:49.220 He backed Harry.

01:26:50.800 He got him the help he needed when he needed it.

01:26:53.040 He would not, you know, banish Harry.

01:26:57.160 He actually was one of his closest allies when Harry had to deal with all these various things.

01:27:03.280 So it is too bad that Harry couldn't remember that part of their relationship, I guess.

01:27:08.960 Well, I mean, I think he's heavily influenced by his woke wife, who woke-ified him.

01:27:14.560 And she's out there every week doing these woke podcasts.

01:27:16.880 I'll just I want to play this because I do think it's remarkable.

01:27:20.800 So she's her latest podcast was with the prime minister of Canada's wife, Mrs. Trudeau.

01:27:28.700 And but the one that she dropped last week is about she does these, you know, stereotypes.

01:27:34.100 She calls them archetypes, but I'm not sure she really understands the difference.

01:27:37.120 And this one is focused on what it's the angry black woman and how black women are portrayed as angry by Hollywood.

01:27:47.340 Here's just a bit of that from the intro to her piece.

01:27:50.320 It's Sot 21.

01:27:51.600 We all know that sometimes things make you feel angry or sad or hurt or upset.

01:27:58.820 And that's not a gender or racially specific feeling.

01:28:03.060 Yet this trope of the angry black woman, it persists.

01:28:08.800 I mean, I remember when I was auditioning, the idea of even black roles.

01:28:12.740 And I remember those casting sheets were the description of the character.

01:28:17.340 She always had to have an edge or an attitude.

01:28:19.220 OK, so all black women have to be angry in Hollywood, according to her.

01:28:25.020 And then she expounds on that and says the guest says people have a problem with black women being direct.

01:28:32.840 Meghan Markle agrees, saying, yes, people conflate being direct with being demanding.

01:28:39.440 And then she talks about how she, too, has experienced this exact problem.

01:28:45.260 And this is how she explains it, Sot 20.

01:28:49.060 I'm particular.

01:28:50.960 A, I think a high tide raises all ships, right?

01:28:54.440 We're all going to succeed.

01:28:55.860 So let's make sure it's really great.

01:28:57.400 Yes.

01:28:57.680 Because it's a shared success for everybody.

01:28:59.420 But I also know that I will find myself cowering and tiptoeing into a room where, I don't know if you ever do that, the thing that I find the most embarrassing.

01:29:09.300 When you're saying a sentence, but the intonation goes up like it's a question.

01:29:12.900 Oh, man.

01:29:13.880 And you're like, oh, my God, stop.

01:29:16.280 Stop, like, whispering and tiptoeing around it.

01:29:18.180 Just say what it is that you need.

01:29:19.820 You're allowed to set a boundary.

01:29:21.600 You're allowed to be clear.

01:29:22.880 It does not make you demanding.

01:29:24.140 It does not make you difficult.

01:29:26.180 It makes you clear.

01:29:26.940 OK, that's that's a human phenomenon that is not that has nothing to do with angry black woman.

01:29:34.020 Everybody walks into a room, wants to be liked, doesn't want to piss off a bunch of strangers or new people that they've just met.

01:29:41.440 Meanwhile, juxtapose this against the stories.

01:29:44.580 There's one in the New York Post just last week about how she's nasty to waitstaff.

01:29:48.460 She goes in demanding.

01:29:49.720 This is even before she was a wife.

01:29:50.960 She was just the girlfriend of Prince Harry.

01:29:52.260 Like, I'm Prince Harry's girlfriend, wanting the best table and wanting the tables around her to be clear.

01:29:57.320 So she didn't have to be next to any of the serfs who weren't dating a prince.

01:30:01.040 All the staff that she's fired or who have quit because she's impossible to work for has nothing to do with color.

01:30:07.060 Right.

01:30:07.360 She's got to make it about color because she's enjoying painting herself as the victim of racism.

01:30:13.180 What do you make of it?

01:30:14.480 Well, up speak, by the way, is hated by everybody.

01:30:18.020 Nothing to do with race.

01:30:20.200 Even you as a white man?

01:30:22.620 Oh, yeah, man.

01:30:23.880 Look, I've got to tell you, I was blown away by the deal or no deal stuff.

01:30:30.160 You know, she recently, you know, said she felt, you know, humiliated and stigmatized and she felt like a bimbo.

01:30:39.080 Objectified.

01:30:40.280 She was objectified.

01:30:42.440 Yes, objectified.

01:30:43.440 I'm so sorry.

01:30:43.920 But she, Howie Mandel, the host of the show, said he felt like a bimbo.

01:30:49.160 So, you know, but look, it was a break of a lifetime for her.

01:30:53.760 She would, she knows she would have killed for that job.

01:30:56.420 And it was really her first really big break in show business, as it was for many of women who, you know, went on to television, movie roles and that sort of thing.

01:31:06.940 So it's somewhat, as they say, disingenuous to say you bite the hand that feeds you, really.

01:31:15.720 I mean, I think that the deal or no deal gig was absolutely critical and crucial to her career and her future.

01:31:21.960 Hmm. Deal or no deal is basically what she said to Harry when she was threatening to leave him if he didn't come out publicly and name her as his girlfriend.

01:31:30.080 Let's let's get down to it.

01:31:32.060 Do we have a deal or don't we?

01:31:34.240 That's something Kate Middleton should have tried years earlier.

01:31:38.240 So what's going to happen now?

01:31:39.740 What do you think is going to happen?

01:31:40.720 Everybody's looking at this book he's going to drop on January 10th.

01:31:43.840 And, you know, as they say, the title doesn't doesn't suggest nice things are in there.

01:31:48.680 What do you think that's going to do to their relationship with King Charles?

01:31:55.220 You know, the prince, Prince William, who I know you write in the book, he's he's more miffed about the Harry Megan situation than even King Charles is.

01:32:05.240 But what do you think the future holds now after this book comes out and the Netflix special?

01:32:09.920 Wow. You know, by the way, on the Netflix special, well, there's also the crown.

01:32:17.620 Sorry. This is a side and aside here.

01:32:21.080 The criticism the crown is getting, I find rather ridiculous.

01:32:26.960 I mean, Judi Dench criticizing the producers of the crown for being too rough on the royal family.

01:32:32.240 Give me a break.

01:32:33.840 The Camilla watches the crown.

01:32:35.460 She even met the woman who portrays her recently and praised her on her performance.

01:32:41.080 Harry watches the crown.

01:32:43.300 You know, it's everyone in the royal family watches the crown and they enjoy it.

01:32:46.580 So I think that's unfair.

01:32:49.220 I know.

01:32:49.860 But getting but getting back to the spare.

01:32:52.840 Oh, by the way, it's not the spare.

01:32:54.120 It's spare.

01:32:54.880 That's the title of that book, of Harry's book.

01:32:56.940 It makes it even, you know, confrontational in some way.

01:33:01.500 You're right.

01:33:01.920 They are shaking in their boots.

01:33:04.380 They are terrified.

01:33:05.180 They don't know what's in this book after what happened with Oprah and whatnot.

01:33:08.520 What more could there be?

01:33:09.640 Well, this is going to cover, as I understand it, you know, the whole period of his parents' divorce and everything else following that.

01:33:17.800 So I don't, I can't imagine it's going to be a very pretty picture of the royal family.

01:33:23.200 And then it leaves Charles in this horrible position.

01:33:25.620 I mean, he's got and he intends to make his mark on history.

01:33:29.660 That's what this is all about.

01:33:30.740 He's waited 70 years to do it, you know, and longer than anybody else.

01:33:36.220 And he needs all hands on deck.

01:33:39.340 He needs that family on that balcony.

01:33:41.940 And what does he get?

01:33:43.020 He gets this kind of fractured, contentious group of people who are throwing shade all the time.

01:33:50.560 So it'll be interesting to see how he deals with it.

01:33:54.200 I don't think it's going to be good.

01:33:55.300 Do you think there's a real risk?

01:33:56.280 He might not just say those kids are not getting titles, but that they're that Harry and Meghan are going to be stripped of their titles, which a lot of people have been calling for for a long time now, since they obviously have no loyalty to the royal family.

01:34:09.220 Well, they don't have any.

01:34:09.900 I mean, they they have lost basically their HRH status.

01:34:14.760 But there's another step.

01:34:16.720 There's still a lot to be the Duke, the Duke and Duchess.

01:34:19.760 Right.

01:34:20.220 Right.

01:34:20.480 And that'll be I think it's certainly in the cards that could happen.

01:34:26.200 He could do it.

01:34:27.160 Charles has a you know, he's a toughie.

01:34:29.760 And the thing is, you can only do it once.

01:34:31.460 So like right now, he's got it to hang over them.

01:34:33.880 And, you know, they do seem to be motivated.

01:34:36.200 They love their their titles.

01:34:38.700 She certainly loves her.

01:34:39.620 They use it and everything.

01:34:40.700 All right.

01:34:40.920 Christopher Anderson, I got to run some up against it.

01:34:42.540 But this is fascinating.

01:34:43.280 I recommend the book.

01:34:44.180 It's a great read.

01:34:44.880 It's a it's a quick read.

01:34:46.240 And every page is full of new and interesting nuggets.

01:34:49.360 It's called The King, The Life of Charles III.

01:34:52.540 And it make a great Christmas gift, too.

01:34:54.580 So now's the time.

01:34:55.280 It's out next week.

01:34:57.200 Before we go, check this out on YouTube.

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01:35:07.580 They called security on him.

01:35:08.760 It was amazing.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 01, 2022

Media's ＂October Surprise,＂ and Meghan's Relationship with Charles, with Emily Jashinsky, Eliana Johnson, and Christopher Anderson ｜ Ep. 424

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