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00:00:59.880 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.000 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:12.460 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:01:16.660 I had the most unbelievable weekend that you are going to find out about very soon.

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00:01:29.940 To all the people whose phone calls and messages I blew off yesterday, I apologize.

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00:01:49.280 Okay.

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00:01:56.580 We begin with Trump's 100-day week this week, Trump 2.0.

00:02:02.440 He remains on offense, sitting for several interviews this week with his antagonists in the press.

00:02:07.460 Meantime, the corporate media is more depressed than ever, as seen by the saddest, most pathetic White House Correspondents Dinner ever.

00:02:13.280 And that's really saying something.

00:02:14.360 Joining me now to break it all down, Emily Jashinsky, D.C. correspondent for Unheard and host of Undercurrents.

00:02:20.980 And Eliana Johnson, editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.

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00:03:41.220 Ladies, welcome back.

00:03:43.400 So as Gayle King might say, have you been?

00:03:46.940 Have you been?

00:03:48.400 Did you go to the White House Correspondents' Dinner?

00:03:51.180 I did not.

00:03:51.880 Eliana, did you go?

00:03:53.260 I have been one time, and that was enough for me.

00:03:56.840 I think maybe 2018 or 2019, that was good enough for me.

00:04:01.300 And I cannot tell you how happy I was not to attend any cocktail parties or any events associated with this weekend of festivities in Washington.

00:04:14.800 Yes, I totally agree with you.

00:04:17.400 Same answer for me.

00:04:18.340 I've been.

00:04:18.920 I didn't go.

00:04:20.100 I had zero desire to go.

00:04:22.120 I did speak with Maureen Callahan, who went, which she considered to be research for her new podcast, which is called The Nerve.

00:04:29.380 Everyone should go and subscribe.

00:04:30.460 It's doing great.

00:04:31.700 She's crushing it.

00:04:33.360 But anyway, I don't want to steal her thunder, but she basically described virtually every guest who she talked to as doing the following.

00:04:43.660 And it's not just Maureen.

00:04:44.660 They do this to everybody.

00:04:46.760 For the listening audience, I'm pretending to look over somebody's shoulder.

00:04:51.100 It's so annoying.

00:04:52.460 I've been there, too.

00:04:53.580 It's so effed up.

00:04:55.220 It's like they're always looking for someone more important.

00:04:58.360 You really want to be like, listen, effer.

00:05:01.080 There is no one more important.

00:05:02.400 I'm standing here right in front of you.

00:05:04.040 I've made the time to talk to you.

00:05:05.420 I showed up at your stupid party.

00:05:07.420 You know, like, you're so rude.

00:05:09.000 But that's how they all are, because it's a bunch of glommers who want to climb some corporate ladder in Washington in the press corps.

00:05:17.560 What's what is the apex of that in today's day and age?

00:05:21.340 I don't really know.

00:05:22.260 But this thing has been dwindled down to the smallest, most pathetic version of itself with no stars.

00:05:30.540 I mean, none.

00:05:31.920 We used to have, like, Scarlett Johansson there.

00:05:34.560 I mean, I mocked George Clooney, but at the height of his fame, he showed up at this thing.

00:05:39.800 Now it was like some C-lister from some cop show I never heard of.

00:05:44.880 I don't, it's like, I didn't know who these people were with all due respect to the actors and actresses.

00:05:49.680 It's just, we used to have the creme de la creme of the Hollywood crowd.

00:05:53.880 Now they can't get anybody.

00:05:55.440 Trump used to go.

00:05:56.960 Trump used to go.

00:05:58.380 Exactly right.

00:05:59.240 Before he was elected.

00:05:59.760 And Supreme Court justices used to be all over the place.

00:06:03.480 Helen Mirren I saw one time at this, at these things.

00:06:06.740 It was like, I'm just saying, like, it used to be household names if they got Hollywood celebs.

00:06:12.120 Now it's like, who, who's that?

00:06:14.980 You Google them.

00:06:16.080 You kind of know the name of that show, but usually not really.

00:06:19.680 And just the most insulting bit of information there.

00:06:25.600 Okay.

00:06:25.780 There were a couple of misfires.

00:06:27.480 I'm going to start with this one.

00:06:28.940 So they had Alex Thompson of Axios get up there who received an award for, okay, wait,

00:06:37.260 I want to make sure I have the right title.

00:06:40.000 Hold on.

00:06:40.720 What is it?

00:06:42.120 Alex Thompson.

00:06:44.680 Oh God.

00:06:46.100 Is it, did I not write it down?

00:06:48.460 I can't find it.

00:06:49.120 His was, I think the Aldo Beckman award.

00:06:51.860 The Aldo Beckman award for his coverage of the coverup of Biden's mental decline.

00:06:59.300 All right.

00:06:59.540 They gave him an award for this.

00:07:01.260 And here is how he sounded when he took that award.

00:07:05.000 President Biden's decline and its coverup by the people around him is a reminder that every

00:07:14.400 White House, regardless of party, is capable of deception.

00:07:19.020 But being truth-tellers also means telling the truth about ourselves.

00:07:25.600 We, myself included, missed a lot of this story.

00:07:29.960 And some people trust us less because of it.

00:07:33.080 We bear some responsibility for faith in the media being at such lows.

00:07:40.400 I say this because acknowledging errors builds trust.

00:07:53.880 And being defensive about them further erodes it.

00:07:57.820 Now, this guy is being universally praised for saying this.

00:08:05.700 And I'm sorry, with all due respect, that is a joke.

00:08:09.960 We missed, we, myself included, missed a lot of this story.

00:08:15.380 We bear some responsibility for faith in the media being at such lows.

00:08:20.400 What a lie, Emily.

00:08:22.580 We missed it.

00:08:23.880 That's the problem with the Biden decline story, that the press missed it.

00:08:29.020 It was kept from them by this deceitful cabal around the president.

00:08:34.880 And they just happened to miss the biggest story of the decade.

00:08:39.620 That's a lie.

00:08:40.700 That is not what happened.

00:08:42.420 And I'm sorry, but the mere fact that Alex Thompson is getting an award for his coverage of it is a joke.

00:08:50.120 I can name 10 so-called right-leaning conservative podcasters who were all over the Biden mental decline story for years before Alex Thompson was even touching it.

00:09:03.400 Yes, he's in the mainstream.

00:09:04.920 He was one who dared to touch it with a 10-foot pole.

00:09:07.740 But what a joke that he gets an award for it.

00:09:10.420 Are you kidding me?

00:09:11.180 Stephen Crowder could be up there, but they would never.

00:09:14.140 Like, we can go down the list.

00:09:15.960 But I'm sorry, Alex Thompson was not the person who blew open the Biden mental decline story.

00:09:21.200 And the media did not innocently miss the story.

00:09:24.860 They actively worked to cover it up for years.

00:09:28.780 They actively worked to suppress people who were pushing the story via the cheap fake narrative right before the debate.

00:09:36.920 And so, yeah, I mean, Alex Thompson is somebody who, within the quote-unquote mainstream, was trying to push this story forward and getting absolutely buried by the White House and by critics within the media to the point where he was sort of seen as an exception.

00:09:55.200 People would be like, well, Alex Thompson's covering that so that nobody else would touch it.

00:09:59.760 And so he took some arrows and genuinely took some arrows for all of this.

00:10:04.840 And probably that's what motivates him to feel somewhat vindicated now.

00:10:09.380 But the idea that you would give an award, genuinely, that this White House Correspondents Association would give someone an award for this story.

00:10:17.000 I think he's right that it acknowledges it to acknowledge that you get something wrong, builds trust.

00:10:23.360 But it is so cynical, so deeply cynical for this White House Correspondents Association to think that they can give Alex Thompson an award.

00:10:33.940 He has a book coming out with Jake Tapper, of all people, which is hilarious in and of itself about the Biden cover up.

00:10:40.600 We'll see what's in that book. But to give him an award after everything that was done and act like they can go about business as usual is pathetic.

00:10:51.020 I agree completely. It's just ridiculous.

00:10:53.120 These are we're being gaslit here, Eliana. This is a massive gaslighting.

00:10:58.400 They've ignored the entire right wing ecosystem that reports on President Biden, that reported on him for the four years of his presidency, that were jumping up and down.

00:11:08.500 This show alone did an in-depth show on this back in 2021.

00:11:15.760 You know, not that I need an award from the White House Correspondents Association, but like it's a joke to signal out this guy at Axios as like the leader.

00:11:23.760 That's bullshit. And he perpetuated more bullshit by getting up there saying that we missed it.

00:11:31.540 We, the White House Washington Press Corps, missed the story.

00:11:36.200 That's not the right verb.

00:11:41.000 All right. I have a little bit less harsh to take on this.

00:11:45.380 I would say, full disclosure, Alex is a friend.

00:11:49.960 I think highly, I thought highly of his White House reporting.

00:11:53.000 I agree with you on two things.

00:11:55.300 First, I would say, let's just stipulate.

00:11:57.360 These are awards for the mainstream media, bequeathed to mainstream media people.

00:12:05.320 Missed it is not the right word.

00:12:08.220 It would be, we didn't want to cover it.

00:12:11.580 And you could talk about the reasons why they didn't want to cover it.

00:12:16.340 You know, Alex tried to cover it.

00:12:18.920 And the Wall Street Journal tried to cover it.

00:12:21.180 Those were the two outlets that tried to cover this story.

00:12:24.340 Pretty late in the game, Eliana.

00:12:26.520 Pretty late in the game.

00:12:27.580 No, I agree with you.

00:12:29.520 But that's an important point.

00:12:31.900 That's an important point.

00:12:32.920 These Johnny-come-latelys in the mainstream, who just as we were going into the next presidential election, were like, gee, he seems infirm.

00:12:38.960 Fuck off.

00:12:39.560 Where were they when those of us were out there doing in-depth pieces on this for years prior and being dismissed as nasty, cheap fakery, et cetera, thugs against poor President Biden?

00:12:51.920 Poor James Rosen got banned from the White House press office for 18 months because he dared ask a question.

00:12:59.360 Did they, where was, I don't remember Alex Thompson or these other guys standing up for James Rosen.

00:13:03.220 They missed nothing.

00:13:04.240 So they didn't want to cover it.

00:13:07.440 And the other piece of this is not only did they not want to cover it, they then gaslit the American public about the conservatives who were pointing this out.

00:13:17.100 The New York Times and other outlets wrote about the deceptively edited videos of Biden and did full pieces about how any commentary about Biden's mental capacity, diminished mental capacity, was misleading.

00:13:33.620 So they didn't want to cover it.

00:13:35.580 And then they told their readers that any coverage that was occurring of it was misleading and fake.

00:13:43.520 And so I think to sort of fully address this, you would have to say we didn't want to cover it and we gaslit people who on their own were going down this path and were curious about what was happening.

00:13:58.500 And the third thing I would say is that it's somewhat less courageous to speak out about this now, because after that June debate between Biden and Trump, the mainstream media was exposed as sort of the man who has no clothes.

00:14:15.740 So these things are safe to say. And by the way, books about this are now marketable when they weren't before.

00:14:23.500 So now this can be told, everything can be said, and it is considered courageous to say this sort of thing, whereas it was really hard and dangerous for mainstreamers to say this before that.

00:14:34.860 So I think that's the context around around all of this.

00:14:38.180 They also allowed themselves to get bullied by the Biden White House into not covering the story while claiming the mantle of, quote, democracy dies in darkness, of them being the ones who were adversarial to power, where they saw what happened to the James Rosens.

00:14:52.400 The axis was revoked. They saw Alex Thompson getting yelled at.

00:14:56.720 Yeah. And like literally that that bullying was enough for them to shut up.

00:15:00.540 But now they, of course, want to frame themselves as the champions of democracy in the face of the adversary.

00:15:08.020 And that is ridiculous, too, because when it was hardest, they allowed themselves like that was I will give them credit.

00:15:14.400 It was hard because the White House was going to take away your access and they were going to complain about you.

00:15:18.620 But if everyone had done it, it would have been OK.

00:15:20.940 And they know damn well it would have been OK because it was a true story and the White House couldn't get away with it.

00:15:25.920 And the public saw it. But they allowed themselves to be played a fool by the Biden White House and to get bullied into silence.

00:15:31.180 That's when it would have mattered that they were standing up for democracy in the darkness.

00:15:35.840 I'm just looking up the dates that the thing with Rosen, I know, happened in twenty twenty two.

00:15:40.360 Our episode was June of twenty twenty two. It was actually number three, three, nine.

00:15:44.140 If you want to go back and look, June of twenty two, long before the presidential politics had heated up.

00:15:50.740 And honestly, like it's there was no interest in reporting on anything that would compromise President Biden.

00:15:59.000 None whatsoever that they this is.

00:16:01.720 I told you this was taken out of the interview that I gave to The New York Times recently when we were talking about media.

00:16:07.080 Where was Peter Baker on the fact that a neurologist had visited the White House ten times in the past year?

00:16:12.720 Where was how was that missed?

00:16:14.900 Why aren't they looking at the White House visitor logs the way they would during a Trump administration?

00:16:20.660 He wasn't keeping them for some time.

00:16:22.860 Why weren't they looking at them under President Biden, which would have shown them that he was having repeated visits from a neurologist to this moment?

00:16:29.620 We don't fully know what's wrong with him or what was wrong with him while he was the sitting president of the United States.

00:16:35.560 It's it's just so I mean, Drew Holden online has done a great job of documenting some of this.

00:16:40.360 They go through he goes through in particular how disgusting The Washington Post was, how they did.

00:16:46.680 This is closer to 2024 in the election, how they did a deep dive into the videos of his obvious problems, concluding these are more Republican lies.

00:16:55.740 They just proved, quote, the politics of misinformation and conspiracy theories do not stop at the water's edge, how how Republicans use misleading videos to attack Biden in a 24 hour period on and on.

00:17:09.860 He points out about how after the her report on Joe Biden, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory, that they talked about how memory really works.

00:17:19.820 And it just changes as you age, right, running defense for him.

00:17:23.880 The New York Times did a whole big thing talking about how his his infirmity was somehow a style choice.

00:17:29.000 We read that to our audience at the time.

00:17:31.820 The New York Times also claimed concerns about his age were based on the distorted online version version of misleading videos to acknowledging later that his lapses were increasingly common after his debate meltdown.

00:17:46.160 All the coverage changed after his debate meltdown and they realized he was no longer going to be useful to them.

00:17:52.160 And we could go on, just go to Drew Holden and follow his his timeline, because it's got so many examples from The Times, from The Post, from others.

00:18:01.460 And Drew works for you, Eliana, so you know he's telling the truth.

00:18:05.000 He he used to work for us and he's now at American Compass running their magazine.

00:18:10.800 And we also did a piece about our Andrew Stiles compiled 30 examples of this and has been reviewing all the new books to come out of this.

00:18:20.480 But Drew is one of the best in the in the game at keeping receipts, as we call it, of of all of these stories that were run.

00:18:28.960 But this was the arguably the biggest story in the country in twenty twenty four, Biden's decline.

00:18:37.480 And you you hinted at this, Megan, but we still don't know a lot about this.

00:18:42.640 And I would say the news coverage that we got was focused on two things.

00:18:46.140 One was the physical manifestations of his decline.

00:18:49.320 It was he's wearing sneakers now instead of dress shoes, and he's using the shorter stairs on Air Force One instead of the big stairs.

00:18:57.000 Now, that would happen to most anybody who gets older.

00:19:00.520 And the other was focused on his loss of energy, which also is sort of a normal condition of older age.

00:19:08.780 What we haven't gotten were answers to two things where people were watching and were saying, no, like this person's obviously getting older, but something really, really seems wrong with him.

00:19:20.480 He must have some condition.

00:19:22.240 And two, who's actually running the country?

00:19:26.020 If Biden can only operate between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m., which was something that Alex Thompson had reported, actually, who's making big decisions on those off hours and how are the people around him actually covering this up?

00:19:40.180 They referred to a cover up.

00:19:41.620 But the mechanics of that were still totally in the dark about.

00:19:44.900 It's really incredible.

00:19:47.040 You had a New York Times article like a month ago, Emily, on on covid.

00:19:52.140 We were misled.

00:19:53.760 And now the line on Biden's cognitive decline.

00:19:57.320 We we missed it.

00:19:59.580 We just in good faith.

00:20:01.100 Now, standing our best efforts to snuff it out.

00:20:04.020 We missed it.

00:20:05.680 And then George Clooney, for that matter, you know, he's doing a press tour for his Broadway show saying, like, you know, I felt the need to speak up because people in my party weren't telling me.

00:20:14.900 The truth now is I was always raised to speak truth to power a month after he saw Biden almost fall off the stage and incomprehensible and unable to talk.

00:20:25.820 He kept his mouth shut until after the presidential debate, when the Democrats could visually see their presidential hopes swirling the bowl and he was refusing to go.

00:20:35.960 Only then did Clooney speak out.

00:20:38.140 I'm sorry, but I am not going to let any of these people, whether it's Alex Thompson at Axios or George Clooney or The New York Times, any of them claim that this was a good faith mistake that people missed despite their best efforts.

00:20:51.900 It's a lie.

00:20:52.940 It was a an intentional cover up and desire not to know.

00:20:58.960 And we kind of know that because of their own reporting.

00:21:01.460 This is a subtle subplot of all of the think pieces and investigative reports that have come out since the debate, but especially since the election, which found that donors were regularly chatting about this.

00:21:14.200 White House aides were regularly chatting about this.

00:21:16.340 People in the upper echelons of Democratic Party circles were talking about this openly.

00:21:21.260 And so that tells us that it's an open secret that tells us that this absolutely besides what people were just seeing on their screens in front of their faces or maybe at the White House.

00:21:30.960 If you were a White House reporter and you were seeing Joe Biden look like he was ailing, you were hearing other people talk about it as well.

00:21:38.420 They were just doing it behind closed doors, which means that it's a story.

00:21:41.360 It means it's a story that you should have published.

00:21:43.940 And we again, we know this via their own reporting at this point at which this has become thematic to just know that, OK, so everyone was talking about this.

00:21:52.720 OK, you heard it.

00:21:53.620 And then it just never ended up getting printed because what you were afraid of losing access.

00:21:58.540 And Megan, the other thing is this was a huge story in 2020.

00:22:02.620 It was a huge story in 2024.

00:22:04.780 But everyone could see this in 2020.

00:22:07.700 And a lot of people were talking about it in the 2020 election.

00:22:10.780 I mean, really, as far back as 2019, this is something that you could kind of see plainly with your own eyes.

00:22:16.000 It was why Donald Trump was having success talking about the, quote unquote, basement campaign that Biden was running.

00:22:21.160 And that's when the campaign was forced to kind of get Joe Biden out there a little bit more.

00:22:25.200 But he was saying all kinds of bizarre and concerning things before he was inaugurated president, before he was elected president.

00:22:31.400 And the media was not talking about it then at all, despite the fact that a lot of people around the country were thinking it.

00:22:37.620 Media was thinking it, too.

00:22:38.660 We know reporters and journalists had the same thoughts.

00:22:40.800 They just weren't courageous enough to probe them.

00:22:44.120 Here's James Rosen.

00:22:45.620 I misspoke earlier when I said 18 months.

00:22:47.580 It was eight months.

00:22:48.420 He was blackballed at the White House.

00:22:50.520 And this is how James put it in his own words.

00:22:52.600 When I asked the POTUS, President of the United States, on January 19, 2022, about this issue, it was considered rude.

00:22:59.960 And I was blackballed in briefings for eight months.

00:23:03.680 Here was that question, January 19, 2022.

00:23:06.240 I'd like to raise a delicate subject, but with utmost respect for your life accomplishments and the high office you hold.

00:23:15.720 A poll released this morning by Politico Morning Consult found 49 percent of registered voters disagreeing with the statement, Joe Biden is mentally fit.

00:23:31.700 And not even a majority of Democrats who responded strongly affirmed that statement.

00:23:40.920 I'll let you all make the judgment whether they're correct.

00:23:43.480 Well, so the question I have for you, sir, if you'd let me finish, is why do you suppose such large segments of the American electorate have come to harbor such profound concerns about your cognitive fitness?

00:23:58.540 It was asked directly, unsparingly, but politely.

00:24:08.020 There was nothing rude about it.

00:24:10.080 He got right.

00:24:10.820 Where is James Rosen's award?

00:24:13.980 Where is his recognition?

00:24:15.860 I'm sorry, but this is a farce.

00:24:17.560 This is a farce.

00:24:18.580 And it wasn't the only farce of the evening or reason to disrespect these people and their stupid, meaningless awards.

00:24:29.440 The award for excellence in presidential news coverage by a visual journalist, meaning a photog.

00:24:36.280 What was the most iconic photo of of the presidential contest or any presidential candidate in 2024?

00:24:45.980 Do you have to think more than two seconds to know what it was?

00:24:50.100 It was Butler.

00:24:52.080 Yeah, it was Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:24:54.060 There were a couple of one from Getty, one from The New York Times.

00:24:56.180 But there were iconic photos of President Trump underneath that flag with the fist up fight that obviously Democrat or Republican.

00:25:06.200 We all know it was that picture was unlike anything we'd ever seen before.

00:25:11.420 Absolutely spectacular.

00:25:13.000 This is the AP photo and magnificent.

00:25:16.220 I'll get the names of the photogs.

00:25:17.540 Um, no, it went to Doug Mills of The New York Times for his photo of Joe Biden.

00:25:26.780 Stand by.

00:25:27.800 We'll show it to you.

00:25:28.860 So Doug Mills of The New York Times is a great photographer.

00:25:32.080 Yeah, he took one of the Butler.

00:25:33.580 He took one of the iconic Butler images.

00:25:35.860 He almost got hit.

00:25:37.260 Um, yeah.

00:25:38.140 And this is what they gave it to him for.

00:25:40.060 This is Doug Mills' photo of Trump, which did not win.

00:25:43.280 Wasn't it nominated for a Pulitzer?

00:25:44.460 Pretty sure it was nominated for.

00:25:45.460 But no, but not good enough for the White House Correspondents Dinner because they they felt the one of Joe Biden looking pensive under a shot of Abe Lincoln was the most compelling shot of the year, Emily.

00:25:56.840 It's so ridiculous.

00:25:58.820 I don't even know what to say.

00:25:59.980 I mean, maybe their explanation is that it's a White House photo as opposed to a campaign photo.

00:26:03.880 I have no idea.

00:26:04.640 But those journalists were taking presidential news coverage.

00:26:09.380 I mean, Trump is both a former president and was the Republican nominee for president.

00:26:13.580 It's like and and frankly, in 2024, became president.

00:26:19.080 Well, won the presidency.

00:26:20.260 It's like I don't.

00:26:22.400 Is there going to be some rule, do we think, in the White House Correspondents Association book that it must be of the sitting president and not of a campaign trail photo?

00:26:31.540 I doubt it.

00:26:32.140 They're probably they're probably queasy about that Trump photo from Butler, which was a remarkable image and remarkable that Doug Mills kept shooting while he was being shot at.

00:26:40.400 And all those photographers who were in the Bay, but they're probably queasy about it because they know that it absolutely helped Donald Trump win reelection.

00:26:46.500 Like there's no question about how that iconic image in and of itself was being shared by people who like an Elon Musk who started to openly come behind Trump after Butler happened.

00:26:58.260 And if you I went back to Butler the second time he did his rally there with Elon, actually, and that was on lawn signs all over Butler, pro Trump lawn signs all over Butler.

00:27:08.160 I know that we were in other parts of the country as well, but I think that's probably what makes the press corps queasy about celebrating an image like that, even though it was a remarkable shot, much more remarkable than that Biden image.

00:27:19.360 It's because they they know that it was helpful to Donald Trump.

00:27:22.660 Do we really think if Kamala Harris had been almost shot and stood up and said fight with the flag all around her, even though she was only vice president and she was the campaign, you know, for a short time actual nominee that they wouldn't that wouldn't be their shot baloney.

00:27:38.540 Go ahead, Eliana.

00:27:39.720 I don't think we can separate these awards all out, though.

00:27:42.780 We got to look at this in context.

00:27:44.460 So if you zoom out, you have the president of the White House Correspondents Association, Eugene Daniels, canceling the comedian, Amber Ruffin, because she said that she wanted to see Trump murdered or something insane like that.

00:27:59.540 But she was too anti-Trump.

00:28:00.920 So there was no comedian at the dinner, too anti-Trump.

00:28:03.760 Then we had them giving the award for best White House coverage to Alex Thompson for covering aggressive coverage of Biden's decline.

00:28:12.300 So you can you hardly can think that the White House Correspondents Association was then going to give the best image to this iconic photograph of Trump.

00:28:21.580 Like they got it.

00:28:22.800 They got to throw the Biden people a bone somewhere in here just too much.

00:28:27.460 You know, they basically canceled their own weekend.

00:28:30.380 And and the award to Alex from them was was not nothing.

00:28:35.060 You know, like they were saying we we messed up here.

00:28:38.620 No, it was nothing.

00:28:40.100 No, I totally disagree.

00:28:41.580 Here's why they did it.

00:28:43.060 It feels like a shield.

00:28:44.020 Eugene Daniels to give out that award.

00:28:46.080 Eugene Beyonce Daniels.

00:28:48.640 There's a whole other story with him.

00:28:50.460 We'll get to that.

00:28:51.580 But no, there he is.

00:28:53.200 This is the president of the White House Correspondents.

00:28:55.080 This is the guy, a guy with a question mark.

00:28:58.340 This is he's literally thinks he's Beyonce.

00:29:00.900 He puts on Beyonce hair and dresses like a woman and tries to find his inner fierceness.

00:29:06.860 Whatever.

00:29:07.400 That's the president of the White House Correspondents Association.

00:29:09.400 But that's that's a different story.

00:29:11.920 The reason they did it, Eliana, trust me, is because right now with Trump in office, they

00:29:18.620 need to say we fell down on the job, but we need to shore up our resolve and never miss

00:29:26.560 again.

00:29:27.420 Now that it's Trump, I would stake every dollar I have on this press.

00:29:32.880 I agree with all that.

00:29:35.040 I totally agree with that.

00:29:36.920 Yes.

00:29:37.780 So it's not it's not a genuine come to Jesus moment or a risk for them to do this by nominating

00:29:43.980 Alex Thompson.

00:29:44.900 It's all part of setting.

00:29:46.260 This is the part of the drama in which we find ourselves unwitting audience members.

00:29:50.560 I totally agree with that.

00:29:53.160 And then in Eugene's speech at the beginning, got to that in which I don't want to get ahead

00:29:58.780 of you, but where he said we, the press, are a lot of things.

00:30:02.620 We're fearless.

00:30:03.620 We already have it.

00:30:04.180 You know, everything we are not here.

00:30:05.780 We are not the opposition.

00:30:07.160 It's like, well, actually, you're kind of supposed to be the opposition.

00:30:09.700 Like you're you're the press.

00:30:12.140 Yeah.

00:30:12.600 But now but now they want now they are now they see themselves as that.

00:30:15.460 But anyway, here's Eugene, Beyonce, Daniels, Sot 16.

00:30:19.440 We journalists are a lot of things.

00:30:22.000 We are competitive and pushing.

00:30:23.820 We are impatient.

00:30:25.120 And sometimes we think we know everything.

00:30:27.920 But we're also human.

00:30:30.300 We miss our families and significant life moments in service to this job.

00:30:34.160 We care deeply about accuracy and take seriously the heavy responsibility of being stewards of

00:30:40.000 the public's trust.

00:30:41.780 What we are not is the opposition.

00:30:44.120 What we are not is the enemy of the people.

00:30:47.320 And what we are not is the enemy of the state.

00:30:54.180 There he is.

00:30:56.060 Eugene, Beyonce.

00:30:59.360 Go ahead, Emily.

00:31:00.660 She's listening to your laugh during that sound.

00:31:02.880 It was the highlight of my morning so far.

00:31:05.740 I mean, it's amazing.

00:31:06.640 What he said, the part that really got me is when he said, we miss family moments in

00:31:11.100 the service of this job.

00:31:12.820 But I was dying because it's like, what the hell are you talking about?

00:31:16.020 You're White House correspondents.

00:31:17.640 You are not on the front lines in the Donbass.

00:31:21.780 No, you're in the White House.

00:31:22.880 Now he has an MSWC weekend show.

00:31:24.600 Don't sell him short, Emily.

00:31:26.660 Yeah, exactly right.

00:31:27.760 Like, you're in the air-conditioned studio outside the Capitol.

00:31:31.480 Congratulations, Eugene, making a million dollars a year, probably, writing playbook.

00:31:36.580 They still are having, like, Eugene left playbook a couple of months ago, and they're still

00:31:40.060 every day mourning the loss of Eugene and Beyonce Daniels.

00:31:42.780 And he's the perfect face of the media at this point because he sort of knows that he

00:31:47.460 has to say things like to get morale up.

00:31:50.720 Like, we are a lot of things, but we are not the enemy.

00:31:53.880 But he can't even do that right.

00:31:55.620 Because to Eliana's point, you are literally supposed to be the enemy of power.

00:32:00.560 That is the entire purpose of the press.

00:32:03.680 And so he's too incompetent to even explain correctly what the job is.

00:32:09.240 It is to be the enemy of power.

00:32:12.000 It is not to be so deferential that you think you...

00:32:15.860 Like, if Eugene Daniels wanted a pat on the back, he should have kept Amber Ruffin as

00:32:20.180 the comedian because we all know that they think what she's saying, which is not funny,

00:32:24.700 but they all think that it's funny.

00:32:26.120 So stand by it and have some actual principles and hold to these principles.

00:32:30.900 I'll disagree with your principles.

00:32:32.200 I'll think they're gross and stupid.

00:32:34.260 But if you actually think that it's funny to joke about Donald Trump dying in some weird

00:32:38.960 way, then by all means, do it.

00:32:41.440 But don't bullshit us and act like you are too good for that.

00:32:45.400 You are too principled for that.

00:32:47.320 You hired her.

00:32:48.700 So what changed?

00:32:49.960 No, you just got backlash.

00:32:51.980 That's what changed.

00:32:52.700 You are cowards.

00:32:53.680 You are not brave.

00:32:54.540 You're not serving the country.

00:32:56.560 It is a joke.

00:32:57.680 And they want us all to now applaud them.

00:33:00.100 I mean, it's just it's too much.

00:33:02.060 But I'm glad at least they have lost their celebrity access, because that is the one

00:33:05.940 thing that made them feel really cool every single year is that they could get their picture

00:33:10.500 taken with Bryan Cranston.

00:33:12.180 So congrats, guys.

00:33:13.980 You know, the other thing about it is, Eliana, you know, journalists, yeah, especially the

00:33:18.220 ones who cover the White House have long hours at times.

00:33:20.740 And there are obviously over the past 20 years have been journalists who have deployed and

00:33:25.740 taken big risks and actually suffered consequences of them as a result of taking on those dangerous

00:33:31.940 assignments.

00:33:32.420 So I don't mean any disrespect to those, but it is a very small collection of the overall.

00:33:38.640 I mean, it's under five percent.

00:33:40.080 Ninety five percent of journalists have a rather simple, easy job that tends to be an eight hour

00:33:45.860 day in an air conditioned office where they have to pull a story off of the wire and repurpose

00:33:50.740 it as copy for their own publication.

00:33:53.480 There are great reporters like we see at the Free Beacon and so on.

00:33:56.900 But I'm just saying, like, to talk about us like we're sacrificing it all like a Marine

00:34:01.620 on the front lines, like sacrificing dinner with their families.

00:34:05.180 I mean, you know what?

00:34:06.660 It like on my team, if they sacrifice dinner with their families, they're probably going

00:34:10.180 to get the next morning off.

00:34:11.280 It's like that's the way.

00:34:12.420 And I've worked at Fox News for 14 years.

00:34:13.960 I worked at ABC.

00:34:14.800 I worked at NBC.

00:34:15.980 It's really not that bad.

00:34:17.760 It's truly one of the great things of being a journalist is if you lose, you know, eight

00:34:22.280 days straight at the office, they tend to give you a few days off, especially all these

00:34:25.900 union shops like I can't stand that he's painting this like it compares.

00:34:30.040 Forget to being a Marine, but to being like a liver surgeon, it's it's this is ridiculous

00:34:35.020 that the self-congratulatory back padding like Beyonce needs to take a seat.

00:34:40.860 She this is not like her lemonade years.

00:34:42.720 This is like she's over the hill now in her messaging.

00:34:45.480 I'm not picking up what she's putting down.

00:34:48.860 It is ridiculous.

00:34:50.420 We've all basically worked these jobs.

00:34:52.900 And above all, the jobs are an enormous privilege.

00:34:56.520 You get a front row bird's eye view on to the most powerful people in the world, making

00:35:05.460 the biggest and most consequential decisions in the world.

00:35:09.000 You get to travel aboard their airplanes, see firsthand absolutely momentous events.

00:35:15.800 I got to see President Trump shake hands with Kim Jong Un.

00:35:20.120 And yes, you know, you wake up really early in the morning for security protocols that

00:35:24.380 day.

00:35:24.680 But it's an enormous privilege and it's really not not a very big sacrifice.

00:35:31.100 And it's a lot of fun.

00:35:33.100 You can also builders with powerful and important people.

00:35:35.880 But it's like one of the best jobs you could ever have.

00:35:39.740 And so and I feel like you don't hear a lot of talk about that.

00:35:44.560 The I am I've never understood the sort of self-sacrificial, self-aggrandizing way these

00:35:51.820 folks talk about each other.

00:35:52.780 The other part of it is you then go on TV and talk about all your access and what you

00:35:58.340 saw.

00:35:58.760 You know, there's just not a lot of hardship in this in this job.

00:36:02.940 No.

00:36:03.140 And beyond that, a lot of people in this country are working long hours and working hard and

00:36:09.180 having a lot less fun at it.

00:36:10.560 It's way longer, way harder.

00:36:12.960 They just took a four year vacation.

00:36:14.740 They just took a four.

00:36:15.240 Biden did not work nights or weekends like the audacity of you.

00:36:18.940 That's right.

00:36:19.280 Daniels at a black tie dinner, surely wearing some designer clothes to like be the spokesperson

00:36:25.680 of the journalists who maybe were slugging it out.

00:36:28.760 At a local newspaper night and like, give me a break.

00:36:32.060 Put one of them up there like they can.

00:36:33.960 They can make that speech.

00:36:35.020 You can't.

00:36:35.640 I I would settle for somebody who's not a day them.

00:36:38.280 I'm sorry.

00:36:38.780 I don't want to day them at the head of the White House correspondent.

00:36:40.860 It's ridiculous.

00:36:41.840 He looks like a fool.

00:36:43.860 Those pictures of him completely undermine any credibility that he has, as does his MSNBC

00:36:49.700 contract as he lectures us about speaking truth to power.

00:36:53.620 Really?

00:36:54.380 Did MSNBC do that during the Biden years?

00:36:56.600 Because I spent a lot of time watching Joe Scarborough, the face of the network, tell

00:37:01.580 me it was the best Biden ever, the best Biden ever.

00:37:06.240 And not to mention all the race hustling that's gone on on that channel for years.

00:37:09.660 And it's particularly in the prime time.

00:37:11.020 So I'm not sure, Eugene, that I can take you at your word about speaking truth to power

00:37:16.060 if you would sign up for a gig with that outlet.

00:37:18.580 Don't get me started on Politico, which is also a left wing rag that exists to do nothing

00:37:23.300 other than prop up Dems and strike down Republicans.

00:37:26.200 OK, so that's that's them.

00:37:27.960 So while we're on the subject of infirmity, I've got to get to a story you got you ladies

00:37:32.740 never thought you'd be talking about here in the MK show.

00:37:34.780 And it's not politics.

00:37:35.900 It has to do with Bill Belichick.

00:37:38.080 Right.

00:37:38.700 Did you see this?

00:37:40.360 I'm sorry, but it dovetails.

00:37:42.780 It's the best Bill Belichick ever.

00:37:44.460 Yeah.

00:37:44.900 He's never been better.

00:37:45.540 So he was the coach of the Patriots for all these, you know, Super Bowls.

00:37:50.180 The audience knows I know.

00:37:51.220 I know next to nothing about sports, but I know enough to know he coached the Patriots

00:37:54.860 while Tom Brady was the star and they won all those Super Bowl rings.

00:37:57.580 And now he's taken a job coaching football at the college level in North Carolina because

00:38:03.560 he was fired, I guess, by Robert Kraft, which is something I didn't know.

00:38:06.980 But it was said in this CBS interview of Bill Belichick that hit on Sunday morning.

00:38:11.840 And the the reporter, Tony Dokopoul, specifically said to him, like, you were fired.

00:38:18.380 And he said it was by mutual agreement.

00:38:20.300 And he said, well, Robert Kraft, who's the owner, said he fired you.

00:38:23.860 And he's like, it was by mutual agreement.

00:38:26.080 But this interview has, you know, I only cover sports if it's if it migrates over into the

00:38:30.960 news lane.

00:38:31.760 That's how it comes to my notice.

00:38:33.320 It's got to be a very big sports story, which this one is for weird reasons.

00:38:37.880 So this guy, Bill Belichick, has been in the news lately because his girlfriend, I think,

00:38:41.580 is 50 years of 47 to 50 years difference between Belichick and his young gal pal.

00:38:48.480 She's 24.

00:38:49.100 She's 24.

00:38:49.880 She's a hot property.

00:38:52.420 Oh, my God.

00:38:53.440 So she shows up at these black tie events with him wearing nothing.

00:38:57.620 She's basically wearing like a bikini and he's wearing a normal man's clothing.

00:39:02.580 And it looks weird.

00:39:04.800 You know, like, OK, whatever.

00:39:07.000 I guess I'm not.

00:39:08.620 Who am I to judge?

00:39:09.340 But I'm judging.

00:39:10.320 I won't lie.

00:39:11.140 It's weird.

00:39:11.480 And I'm pretty sure she is with him because he's very famous and probably has a lot of

00:39:16.620 money and gets her access to cool things.

00:39:18.100 That's my guess.

00:39:18.680 I'm just going to say it.

00:39:19.960 But anyway, he gives this interview and now it's starting to look much more like a Jill

00:39:25.440 Biden situation.

00:39:26.380 That's all I could think of, you guys.

00:39:28.360 Like, she's like Dr. Jill on the sidelines calling all the shots and like trying to decide

00:39:33.760 what he can answer and what he can't in this interview.

00:39:35.960 And what we learned today, I'll show you the clip.

00:39:38.640 But what we learned today was that it was far worse than CBS this morning, which is

00:39:43.820 like a nice program there.

00:39:44.880 They try to do like nice stories would even air.

00:39:47.740 They the reason reportedly that they chose to air this one interruption of hers is because

00:39:52.980 it was far worse than this.

00:39:54.880 She was trying to dominate behind the scenes and they felt it was OK to include one of her

00:40:01.000 interruptions just to give the audience and just to be transparent that they had this

00:40:05.760 monster on screen left who was completely trying to control him.

00:40:09.520 And it was to the point where they didn't feel like it would have journalistic integrity

00:40:13.000 if they didn't show at least some of it.

00:40:15.840 Watch this.

00:40:18.120 The other change for Belichick is 24 year old Jordan Hudson, his creative muse, as he writes

00:40:26.200 in his book.

00:40:26.780 Make sure that that's the flaw.

00:40:28.600 Jordan was a constant presence during our interview.

00:40:31.960 You have Jordan right over there.

00:40:34.460 Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.

00:40:38.020 They've got an opinion about your private life.

00:40:39.840 It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.

00:40:42.960 How do you deal with that?

00:40:45.080 Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks.

00:40:47.720 Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.

00:40:50.960 How did you guys meet?

00:40:52.660 Not talking about this.

00:40:54.200 No?

00:40:55.000 No.

00:40:55.720 It's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on.

00:40:59.040 It went on.

00:41:04.420 The portion I talked to you about, it went on and on to where it was very cringy.

00:41:09.880 You were like, oh God.

00:41:11.180 She was right off screen for the listening audience.

00:41:12.760 She was right off screen.

00:41:13.560 Almost like a music producer would be as the band is doing a demo in a music studio where

00:41:19.200 you can see the music producers just like three feet to the left with the headphones on,

00:41:23.220 like running the controls.

00:41:24.560 That's where she was, which is very weird.

00:41:27.900 It's weird for an interview like that.

00:41:30.020 You don't, if the spouse is going to be any place, they're normally like behind,

00:41:35.140 out of sight from both the interviewer and the interviewee.

00:41:38.380 So it's not to be a distraction.

00:41:39.880 Not only was she in sight, but she was a constant distraction.

00:41:45.080 Eliana, what are we to make of this?

00:41:46.640 There were two things.

00:41:49.580 I mean, one, if she thought she was making it better, this thing became the whole story

00:41:54.200 of how weird this was.

00:41:56.020 She presumably was trying to make the thing, you know, steer him away from saying something

00:42:01.500 that would have become the whole story.

00:42:03.320 The other thing was you didn't play this clip, but they show, they say, oh, you're on social

00:42:08.000 media now and you're on Instagram and you posted these couple pictures and here's you doing

00:42:13.700 a yoga pose with her.

00:42:15.120 Oh, wait, we have that too, Eliana.

00:42:17.340 Okay.

00:42:17.820 Apologies.

00:42:18.520 Let's play it and then you take it on the back side.

00:42:22.180 You joined InstaFace, as you put it.

00:42:24.540 I love that.

00:42:25.400 There's some great pictures of you in Jordan where you're a fisherman and she's a mermaid.

00:42:29.740 It's charming.

00:42:30.620 It's a different side of you.

00:42:32.140 What's the reaction been like?

00:42:35.320 What's it been like?

00:42:36.480 To have these different sort of photos.

00:42:38.700 There's another one where you're doing, I know you're not into meditation or yoga or

00:42:43.000 Pilates.

00:42:43.640 You're balancing Jordan on your feet and she's doing kind of the Titanic pose.

00:42:48.220 Yeah, so I'm on some of those social media platforms, but I honestly don't follow them.

00:42:59.320 Oh my God.

00:43:00.540 Go ahead, Eliana.

00:43:01.320 So I went and looked at his Instagram account.

00:43:05.400 Those are not posted there.

00:43:06.960 And then I just looked closely when you were playing it.

00:43:09.240 It looks like those are posted to her account.

00:43:11.760 And that does comport with what my perception of his reaction was, which was he did not seem

00:43:19.140 to realize those things had been posted online, which was totally bizarre.

00:43:25.040 He just seemed totally caught off guard by the question.

00:43:28.860 Steve Krakow is saying in my ear that they were on his account and then he appears to

00:43:32.800 have taken them down.

00:43:33.720 Like he at some point was a collaborator and then they took them down, which is even worse.

00:43:39.140 You never, never take it down.

00:43:40.500 Just don't take it down unless it's like a total error that you really genuinely missed.

00:43:45.020 Don't, don't take it down.

00:43:46.140 It's, it's, it's worse.

00:43:47.360 What is this?

00:43:48.160 What are we seeing here?

00:43:49.200 It's her as a beautiful, that's beautiful.

00:43:51.780 That's love.

00:43:52.500 We're seeing love and companionship.

00:43:57.300 Well, the reactions online are basically blink twice.

00:44:03.320 If you need help, Bill Belichick.

00:44:06.300 And that's how it looks.

00:44:08.060 I'm concerned for him.

00:44:10.240 Yeah.

00:44:10.480 Well, I mean, this is a man with a, I, and it's, it's kind of weird to say this about

00:44:14.300 Bill Belichick because this is what Tony was getting at in that interview, which is,

00:44:18.160 it's a new side of him.

00:44:19.540 I mean, that's a wild way to put it.

00:44:21.320 Like Bill Belichick is known for being gruff and like very rough around the edges and not

00:44:27.060 at all.

00:44:27.520 Like this is a, you couldn't parody Bill Belichick if you tried better than this.

00:44:32.540 Like you couldn't script this.

00:44:33.760 It's so wild seeing him in this situation.

00:44:35.920 Um, but he's also a multi multi-million dollar brand.

00:44:41.000 I mean, this is a powerful man.

00:44:43.180 He's not just sort of like a washed up Patriots coach.

00:44:46.820 So the guy is still like worth a lot, a lot of money.

00:44:50.080 Uh, he's an important part of the history of football and important part of the history

00:44:53.620 of an intellectual property, uh, with the Patriots and the national football league.

00:44:57.940 And so it appears that he has been completely outsourcing his business to a 24 year old

00:45:04.460 who's like to put it crassly sleeping with him.

00:45:07.160 And so it's just like, it's, it's so, yeah, exactly.

00:45:11.180 And he looks like he is completely, um, like what?

00:45:14.600 I don't even know what the right word is for it.

00:45:16.200 Like he got a short, a nice short form is whipped.

00:45:18.740 We'll just put it that way.

00:45:20.140 Yeah.

00:45:20.340 He knows what the first word is, but it's not like the consequences are not just bill

00:45:25.300 Belichick's personal life is also like, he has a business.

00:45:27.980 This man is a business.

00:45:29.220 He has football players.

00:45:30.180 He has a team.

00:45:30.820 And it is so uncomfortable to watch him allow that to be outsourced, uh, to a 24 year old

00:45:38.020 who's clearly doesn't even know what she's doing because if she did know what she was

00:45:41.500 doing, uh, it is a horrible, if you were actually a communications person for a multimillionaire,

00:45:47.020 you would never do what she did in that CBS interview because you know, they're going

00:45:51.020 to fricking air part of it.

00:45:52.440 It makes you look like an idiot, right?

00:45:54.640 Don't tempt the bull.

00:45:55.680 And when you're dealing with the news media, they're the bull, there's no point in waving

00:45:59.540 the red flag.

00:46:00.340 They already want to get you.

00:46:01.740 Like there's no reason in making it even worse.

00:46:04.760 Here's that, um, part of that exchange to which I referred about whether he was fired

00:46:09.280 just to show you, he just seems out of it.

00:46:11.220 Here's thought 24.

00:46:13.640 What's going on with this sweatshirt?

00:46:15.000 Well, you can see I've worn this one for a while.

00:46:17.620 Do you remember how you got the cut here?

00:46:19.700 No.

00:46:20.220 It reads Navy.

00:46:20.800 I have to ask why Robert Kraft, because 24 years together, six Super Bowls, unless I'm

00:46:26.940 wrong, he's not in this book.

00:46:29.320 How come?

00:46:29.700 He's not.

00:46:31.760 Well, again, it's about my life lessons in football and it's, it's really more about

00:46:35.920 the ones that I experienced directly.

00:46:37.680 He's not even in the acknowledgement section.

00:46:42.300 Correct.

00:46:45.000 Do you feel like you were treated with dignity and respect when you were let go by Robert

00:46:51.860 Kraft?

00:46:53.520 Yeah.

00:46:54.120 Well, it was a mutual decision for, that would, to, for us to part ways.

00:46:58.580 He said fired.

00:47:01.380 It was a mutual decision.

00:47:02.800 OK, so I mean, I don't know what's happening there.

00:47:07.760 He, his dad went to Navy.

00:47:09.740 I think they've coached at Navy.

00:47:11.080 He's coaching now at UNC, which is a major program.

00:47:14.920 And I don't follow sports again, but my Steve is telling me that he's, he was on ESPN as

00:47:19.720 recently as last year sounding like a normal person.

00:47:22.540 Um, he did play college ball because honestly, I looked at him first.

00:47:26.480 I'm like, is there, is this a CTE situation?

00:47:28.260 I know what, I don't know what I'm seeing, but I know that if the situation were reversed

00:47:32.800 and we had a, what, 74 year old female and a 24 year old male in the background, like we're

00:47:40.500 not talking about that.

00:47:41.340 But we'd be accusing him of elder abuse and asking whether he was guilty of coercive control

00:47:47.140 and whether this woman was OK.

00:47:49.780 And honestly, I've got all those same questions here.

00:47:52.760 Um, I'm not sure we're ever going to get any answers, but she's got major Dr. Jill vibes, Eliana.

00:48:00.400 He also saw, I mean, she's claimed she seems to be managing it, but she didn't manage his

00:48:07.080 appearance.

00:48:08.100 He looked like he just came in from raking leaves or gardening or something, not like

00:48:13.020 he was ready for like primetime television.

00:48:15.920 Um, and then she also was wearing some Navy getup and leggings and, you know, casual wear.

00:48:23.700 Um, I mean, the whole thing was strange and, and concerning, not that I'm a super familiar

00:48:29.700 with what the normal Bill Belichick's it seems like, but he did not look ready for primetime.

00:48:35.300 I was going to say, he's never been very media savvy and he's sort of like people, he's sort

00:48:41.020 of like this awkward, some people will dispute this, but genius, like he's, he's a weird dude.

00:48:46.300 Um, and he's really smart, but he's really weird.

00:48:48.780 So he's always been a little strange, but even with that, like to Steve's point, this

00:48:53.460 is on another level of bizarre, even for Bill Belichick.

00:48:57.620 And that is a high bar.

00:48:59.340 Yeah.

00:49:00.320 Um, the, by the way, to the question of how they met, it's even stranger because she tweeted

00:49:07.000 it out.

00:49:07.440 She posted it on her Instagram that if you go to her Instagram, I'm sure you guys are

00:49:12.040 all at, on her Instagram daily, uh, TMZ reports.

00:49:15.660 So they met on a flight from Boston to Florida on, in 2021.

00:49:20.320 And then I clicked the link and it takes it to her Insta where she has like a book and

00:49:27.240 he's inscribed it to her and it's dated 2, 12, 21.

00:49:31.420 And, um, it's like, thank you for explaining whatever to me on this flight.

00:49:37.700 And so they allegedly met on this flight and then he sent her this book.

00:49:42.260 Now, I, why would she not want people knowing that?

00:49:45.020 Because that's, there's nothing wrong with meeting on a flight.

00:49:48.880 What's the story there?

00:49:49.940 That makes me think like, how did you get on the flight?

00:49:52.160 Was there a phone call through an intermediary that got you on that flight?

00:49:54.900 Who was the intermediary?

00:49:56.080 Was there any sort of business transaction involved?

00:49:58.220 Why, I, like, what is it that you're so self-conscious about?

00:50:00.600 Why can't we probe how you, how you met, right?

00:50:04.220 Like, I don't know.

00:50:04.940 I, or just Tony, did they, did they get wind that CBS and Tony DeCoppo knew something and

00:50:10.880 was going to ask a question that probes holes in the stories?

00:50:14.000 Yeah.

00:50:14.940 I, the defensiveness about it is what makes me want to know more.

00:50:19.540 I couldn't really give two flying figs how they met until I saw she doesn't want to tell

00:50:23.400 me, notwithstanding the fact that she posted it.

00:50:25.560 And now actually I'm interested.

00:50:26.760 Now you got me now.

00:50:28.020 And it's not just me.

00:50:28.720 You're going to have the TMZs of the world digging like they've never dug before, which

00:50:33.580 is another media unsavvy thing to do.

00:50:36.020 All right.

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00:52:24.920 A very special and important announcement to bring to you now, this Friday, an epic event

00:52:37.360 here on The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:52:38.820 The official worldwide trailer release for this special film, Blonde Origin.

00:52:48.840 Here's a sneak peek.

00:52:50.380 In a world where anyone with big money or big breasts can reach the stars.

00:52:56.120 Taking up space!

00:52:58.380 Three women.

00:52:59.980 One mission.

00:53:01.100 They all find me very inspirational.

00:53:03.140 Yes.

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00:53:06.400 Right, left.

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00:53:09.940 Their dream.

00:53:11.680 To inspire humanity.

00:53:13.740 Or at least grab a few good selfies.

00:53:19.740 This Friday on The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:53:22.940 The launch of Blonde Origin.

00:53:25.140 I don't appreciate what people call it a ride.

00:53:26.900 It's not a ride.

00:53:27.860 It's a mission.

00:53:28.500 There's nothing frivolous about what we just did.

00:53:31.980 Blonde Origin.

00:53:34.340 Where weightlessness and cluelessness collide.

00:53:39.120 I'm inspirational.

00:53:44.880 Oh my God.

00:53:47.200 Okay.

00:53:48.000 How far will we go to troll the absurdity?

00:53:52.880 That's the question.

00:53:53.940 And the answer is very, very, very far.

00:53:57.280 You will see for yourselves just how far on Friday in an epic segment that is going to be unlike any other.

00:54:07.020 It was incredibly fun.

00:54:08.940 Maureen Callahan, my friend and hairstylist, Sarah Clemente, and I went to the great unknown to see whether it was worth it.

00:54:20.200 So we could say, we've been.

00:54:22.540 Oh yeah, we've been.

00:54:24.020 And according to Gayle King, you cannot criticize them unless you can answer that question.

00:54:28.520 Yes, we have our cred and it's on.

00:54:32.180 Let's just say that.

00:54:33.020 Okay.

00:54:33.500 We'll show you the full thing.

00:54:34.700 We intentionally did not show you the fun shots.

00:54:37.180 Really fun ones here because we want you to tune in.

00:54:39.780 And I think everyone's really going to enjoy it.

00:54:42.400 I can see you ladies are looking forward to it.

00:54:45.080 Megan, how was space?

00:54:47.420 You have to tell us.

00:54:49.480 I mean, really only a very small few of us privileged lucky ones get to get to experience it.

00:54:55.780 And I only really like to talk to those who have.

00:54:58.600 So sorry, but you're not you're not on the list.

00:55:01.200 Sorry.

00:55:02.160 Not cool enough to know about space.

00:55:05.240 Did you invite her?

00:55:06.400 Did you even invite Katy Perry?

00:55:07.740 Okay, she's she's busy doing what I'm told is the worst tour anyone's ever seen.

00:55:13.440 In fact, my crack team apparently saw this coming too, because here is the video of her

00:55:20.100 terrible dancing that is so bad.

00:55:22.400 It's making national news.

00:55:24.240 Watch this.

00:55:24.740 Okay, for the listening audience, she's like shoving her hands down and up like you would

00:55:35.500 if you were like a cheerleader.

00:55:37.260 Now she's doing some sort of robot thing like you're like your five year old does.

00:55:43.920 Now this looks like my dancing, which is a true tragedy.

00:55:47.100 Now she's shaking her bottle, which literally every everyone does and can do.

00:55:51.680 And she's back to the MK dance, which is bad.

00:55:58.820 Oh, my God.

00:55:59.660 And then what she just got picked up the way your two parents will pick you up when they're

00:56:02.780 holding your hands and they're swinging you.

00:56:04.360 And then she ends with a crotch shot.

00:56:06.080 Okay, we got we got the picture.

00:56:07.660 This is why, lady, she couldn't go on.

00:56:10.600 Not she did the blue origins, but she didn't do the blonde origin because she's out there.

00:56:14.160 I mean, when you are looking at it thinking I can do that, that's a bad that's a bad thing.

00:56:19.640 Yeah, I don't know what the baseline was.

00:56:21.460 Cause I, I don't know what the regular Katy Perry concert dance is, but I'm not, I'm not

00:56:27.580 paying for that.

00:56:29.360 No, thank you.

00:56:30.920 Well, I'm glad that Megan, you seem to be just as good as ever.

00:56:35.980 So I'm glad that whatever Katy Perry caught in space is not like, this isn't an experiment.

00:56:41.440 She didn't return damaged.

00:56:42.960 Um, it's right.

00:56:43.940 There's must be something with her.

00:56:45.540 She can't blame it on that.

00:56:47.100 Trust me.

00:56:47.800 That's all I'm going to say.

00:56:48.640 Just trust me.

00:56:49.440 She can't blame it on being in space.

00:56:51.740 Cause a lot of people have been there.

00:56:53.700 Okay.

00:56:54.240 That's all I'm going to say or no.

00:56:55.640 Okay.

00:56:55.840 Uh, okay.

00:56:56.600 Let's move back to the news.

00:56:58.840 This Wisconsin judge who got arrested late last week by the FBI completely justifiably,

00:57:06.140 because it looks like she obstructed justice when ice showed up in her courtroom to arrest

00:57:11.180 a suspected illegal immigrant.

00:57:13.880 And he was in the midst of a criminal proceeding because he'd been accused of, uh, battering

00:57:18.820 somebody, two people who were there in the courtroom, ready to give testimonials.

00:57:24.160 Um, and this judge upon seeing that ice was there with, uh, intent to deport this man who

00:57:29.900 I think had already been, he already had a deportation order, um, shepherded him out,

00:57:35.020 kicked out ice, shepherded him out a back door, the, the door used by the jury.

00:57:38.900 And then into the hallway along with his defense lawyers.

00:57:41.900 And then he ran one ice guy was left at the front door unbeknownst to the judge.

00:57:47.640 And I guess he saw them come out the other way and went over and was like, he started

00:57:52.180 chasing him a little, like following him.

00:57:53.440 And then he caught up with him and the guy ran, he took off.

00:57:56.560 So then they did catch him and they went back and they arrested this judge for obstruction

00:58:02.100 of justice.

00:58:03.920 Listen to how Rachel Maddow described this issue.

00:58:08.900 We've had time to settle in to what it's like to have Donald Trump in a position of

00:58:14.480 power, right?

00:58:15.960 So it's not like we didn't know it was going to be terrible and it is terrible.

00:58:20.300 He really did have a judge arrested today.

00:58:23.760 And we will have more on that in a moment.

00:58:27.300 He's not even a hundred days in and we are in desperation mode from him already arresting

00:58:31.980 a judge today.

00:58:33.460 Are you kidding me?

00:58:34.180 That is a sign of weakness, not strength.

00:58:37.800 It is the public that is being strong here and he cannot handle it.

00:58:40.820 If this feels like a insane and reckless escalation from the Trump administration arresting a judge,

00:58:47.240 I will tell you, you are not alone.

00:58:50.140 It sure felt like that to lots of people in Wisconsin today.

00:58:53.820 People who showed up outside the federal courthouse in Milwaukee after the judge was arrested.

00:58:58.360 More than a hundred people out there today on no notice on a Friday in the middle of the day

00:59:02.880 to emergency spontaneously show up.

00:59:08.140 Dangerous and irresponsible escalation.

00:59:11.160 It was an escalation.

00:59:12.640 She literally makes it sound like this was just over a ruling Trump didn't like that.

00:59:18.640 He sent in the FBI to go arrest him as opposed to what actually happened was she obstructed justice.

00:59:24.520 Allegedly, I haven't seen any facts that would save her from that charge, not one put out by her side

00:59:29.760 or anybody else, and is going to look at consequences for it the same as anyone else

00:59:34.920 who obstructed justice would, Emily.

00:59:38.380 Yeah, I mean, I would actually love to get Rachel Maddow, like force her to answer the question of what,

00:59:45.540 you know, if this is so bad from Donald Trump, does she think the judge did anything wrong, right?

00:59:49.580 So maybe she's just, if we hypothetically gave her the benefit of the doubt and said she's just mad,

00:59:54.380 that the FBI arrested a judge.

00:59:56.060 Okay, so what, are you not mad about what the judge did?

01:00:00.600 And I suspect Rachel Maddow would say no.

01:00:03.040 And what's really interesting about that is what this judge did pushed the left's position

01:00:08.760 on immigration to its logical conclusion.

01:00:11.740 If you believe that deporting people is that bad, I mean, then of course you don't see this.

01:00:17.860 There's nothing wrong with what this judge did, which is why this judge, who is very apparently

01:00:22.020 reportedly plugged into this activist network in Milwaukee, was able to get so many people

01:00:27.480 to rally on her behalf in the middle of a Friday, as Rachel Maddow said.

01:00:32.540 And so I think this is actually, I've been sort of frustrated, even as a conservative,

01:00:36.500 with some of the cases that this administration has chosen to elevate as high profile examples

01:00:42.600 in the double and triple down on, because I haven't thought that they've been, you know,

01:00:46.400 very, very good examples of the policies that the administration is pursuing.

01:00:49.960 You couldn't find a better example of a judge that needs to be arrested based on the facts

01:00:54.300 that have emerged so far than this one.

01:00:56.380 This is something that works with the public.

01:00:57.880 They see someone abusing their office to protect someone who is abusing the privilege of being

01:01:03.840 in the United States.

01:01:05.380 I mean, this is a slam dunk for the Trump administration.

01:01:08.860 And for Rachel Maddow to jump out ahead of the story, I think really says a lot about where

01:01:12.360 the left is on immigration.

01:01:13.600 I mean, you might be able to find a better example, that judge down in New Mexico, who's

01:01:19.160 now accused of actually harboring a Trenda Aragua gang member.

01:01:24.400 Here's Pam Bondi on Fox News talking about that on Friday.

01:01:29.980 So Judge Cano, soon to be former Judge Cano, got, he got, his charges were just unsealed.

01:01:37.200 He's charged with obstruction.

01:01:38.900 He is charged, he admitted post-Miranda.

01:01:41.140 He took one of the TDA members' cell phones himself, took it, beat it with a hammer, destroyed

01:01:48.540 it, and then walked to the pieces to a city dumpster to dispose of it to protect him.

01:01:53.980 The wife also is charged with destroying evidence.

01:01:57.560 Sandra, not only that, this TDA member, and he had on a necklace that said kill, something

01:02:03.440 about death.

01:02:04.080 He had tattoos all over him.

01:02:05.620 He also had on his cell phone pictures of two decapitated victims, two victims, decapitated,

01:02:15.160 gruesome photos.

01:02:16.320 And he was sending them out.

01:02:18.180 And whoever he was sending them to was sending back to, hey, you need to be careful.

01:02:22.020 You shouldn't be sending these.

01:02:23.540 You shouldn't be texting these photos out.

01:02:25.360 And yet, this New Mexico judge accused of harboring this guy, it's a problem.

01:02:31.760 This is like, even judges can go too far, can obstruct justice, can violate the harboring

01:02:38.660 laws.

01:02:39.240 And what are we supposed to do?

01:02:40.640 Just give them a pass because somebody gave them a judicial robe, Eliana?

01:02:44.500 I have to say I'm sort of befuddled by the position of the Trump critics on this one.

01:02:52.800 Is it that judges can't obstruct justice or commit crimes or that if they do, they should

01:03:01.140 not be arrested?

01:03:02.640 I don't really understand that.

01:03:05.100 But the details of the Wisconsin case are one thing that I think has been totally overlooked

01:03:11.120 is that this guy who ICE agents showed up to arrest with a warrant, they agreed to wait

01:03:22.400 outside the courtroom, they presented their papers and did everything by the law, was in

01:03:28.900 court for a hearing on three counts of domestic abuse for beating up a man and a woman, and

01:03:36.120 his victims were in the courtroom for a pretrial hearing.

01:03:41.120 And what the judge did was deny them due process of law by letting this guy run out on the street

01:03:50.400 through the back door.

01:03:51.900 So this was a total miscarriage of justice that left two victims, two alleged victims that

01:03:59.240 this guy had beat up and sent to the hospital, standing in the courtroom, not knowing what was

01:04:04.080 happening.

01:04:05.080 And the accused, you know, their accused guy, the guy accused of beating them up, running

01:04:12.480 off down the street to go free.

01:04:14.360 That's exactly right.

01:04:16.860 Pretty bad.

01:04:18.240 Seems pretty bad.

01:04:19.940 Yes.

01:04:20.420 It says he was charged with three counts of misdemeanor battery, domestic violence, and

01:04:23.880 infliction of physical harm.

01:04:25.440 The charges stem from a March 12th fight that occurred between Flores Ruiz and two roommates

01:04:30.660 after he was accused of playing music too loudly in the home.

01:04:33.300 The complaint says he punched one roommate 30 times, then hit a woman who tried to end the

01:04:37.480 fight.

01:04:37.720 He pleaded not guilty to the charges, but they showed up and were sitting there and wanted

01:04:44.540 to give testimony and couldn't because this judge scurried him out the back.

01:04:50.780 I mean, she cut the proceedings short.

01:04:52.780 That's the allegation so that she could save him from ice.

01:04:56.500 He had been previously deported.

01:04:58.740 And by the way, notwithstanding that, they say he was actually going to be provided still

01:05:05.820 a notice of intent and decision to reinstate the prior order of deportation.

01:05:10.560 So another layer of due process on this guy.

01:05:13.280 He would have had the opportunity to contest the determination by making a written or oral

01:05:16.940 statement to an immigration officer.

01:05:19.280 But no, none of that is acceptable.

01:05:21.520 If you ask the left, here's New York Times' David Brooks on this Judge Dugan, Sot 7.

01:05:28.740 Well, obviously, they're trying to send a note of intimidation, not only to her, but

01:05:35.360 to all judges and maybe to all Americans.

01:05:37.840 But I don't yet know the specific details of this case, whether she escorted the guy out

01:05:42.720 the jury door or whether she's let him.

01:05:44.240 So that's all, Mark.

01:05:45.240 I don't want to comment on this specific case.

01:05:47.920 But especially on the issue of immigration, there are a lot of people who are appalled by

01:05:51.580 what the administration is doing.

01:05:53.900 And there will be times for civil disobedience.

01:05:56.700 And to me, if she, let's say she did escort this guy out the door.

01:06:00.700 If federal enforcement agencies come to your courtroom and you help a guy escape, that

01:06:06.120 is two things.

01:06:07.320 One, it strikes me as maybe something illegal, but it also strikes me as something heroic.

01:06:13.200 And in times of trouble, then people are sometimes called to do civil disobedience.

01:06:18.860 And in my view, when people do civil disobedience, they have to pay the price.

01:06:22.400 That's part of the heroism of it, frankly.

01:06:23.880 It's she's a hero.

01:06:27.340 She's a hero who just behaved civilly disobedient, Emily.

01:06:32.280 Well, you know what?

01:06:33.180 It turns out the details actually are important in this case.

01:06:36.560 It turns out you might want to know before you say she's a hero.

01:06:39.840 Conservative David Brooks.

01:06:41.520 Yeah.

01:06:42.080 Yeah.

01:06:42.380 Conservative David Brooks.

01:06:43.640 And in times conservative writer David Brooks.

01:06:45.540 Yeah.

01:06:45.760 It's just like, listen, this gets my blood boiling.

01:06:48.660 It's not just even the alleged victims in this case that are being deprived of due process.

01:06:54.260 It's just American people who are potentially having to harbor someone who was charged with

01:07:00.600 this because we're potentially going to have to live shoulder to shoulder with somebody

01:07:04.560 who was charged with this because some activist judge appoints herself ahead of what the FBI

01:07:11.940 wants in this case.

01:07:13.000 And again, by the way, I thought Rachel Maddow was a defender of the FBI's authority.

01:07:18.140 It's it's it's it's important law enforcement authority.

01:07:20.880 When the FBI was going after Donald Trump, that's where the left came down on the sacred

01:07:24.940 duty of the FBI.

01:07:26.020 But now the American people will not only have to deal with the flood of what The New York

01:07:31.260 Times estimated to be, I think, a net of eight million people who came into the country

01:07:35.240 under the Biden administration.

01:07:36.220 That is the population of multiple medium sized states put together.

01:07:40.620 So the American people don't even just have to deal with that.

01:07:43.020 They have to also deal with the left saying that even the people, even the worst of the

01:07:47.220 worst people who are have all of these multiple orders have had these insane allegations against

01:07:53.400 them.

01:07:54.140 We can't even deport those people.

01:07:57.520 You just have to live with them because we should have open borders and we should allow

01:08:03.040 as many people as possible to claim asylum in the United States of America and any effort

01:08:08.620 to push back on that.

01:08:10.140 We will have to push back on that.

01:08:12.400 And so you just have to live with this.

01:08:14.700 I mean, it is so it is so I don't know if the alleged victims in this case are U.S.

01:08:19.500 citizens.

01:08:19.900 And like if we said that they were, I mean, imagine that being you or your family.

01:08:24.580 You get beat 30 times by somebody who's not supposed to be here.

01:08:28.140 And then a judge just deprives you of the opportunity to have that case held out and

01:08:34.780 to hold someone to justice.

01:08:36.280 I mean, it's completely what about the citizen apartment residents of that apartment building

01:08:40.280 who have to put up with this guy blasting music all day, beating their neighbors, making

01:08:44.560 them feel unsafe, allegedly.

01:08:46.560 They can't even get a day in court because some dumb judge and Rachel Maddow's upset that

01:08:51.200 she gets arrested for doing something illegal.

01:08:53.520 Oh, no, they think the left is the narrative on this is that this was intimidation.

01:09:00.080 This was the Trump administration trying to intimidate all judges as if if they if they

01:09:05.700 had wanted to do that, if that were their goal, as if they wouldn't have done something

01:09:08.820 to Judge Bozberg.

01:09:10.000 That's the one they can't stand.

01:09:11.920 That's the one who's done all sorts of things to Team Trump, including finding them in criminal

01:09:16.800 contempt before the U.S. Supreme Court.

01:09:19.160 Well, after he found him after the U.S. Supreme Court said, you didn't have jurisdiction over

01:09:23.460 this case, but he proceeded anyway.

01:09:25.360 If there were a judge they really wanted to intimidate, it would have been Bozberg.

01:09:28.880 They haven't.

01:09:29.980 Trump has sent out mean tweets about him.

01:09:31.960 OK, literally everybody on Earth has had a mean tweet from President Trump.

01:09:36.120 This is this is a federal district court judge who has absolutely no no business.

01:09:42.600 Right.

01:09:43.020 She's federal district court doing this kind of thing.

01:09:46.160 Any other she state she say any other federal or state judge would have been arrested for

01:09:52.120 doing this with a criminal defendant who was under the federal watch who was about to be

01:09:57.520 arrested by the feds.

01:09:58.620 Here is the messaging, though.

01:10:00.700 It's a montage from the Dems.

01:10:02.460 Sot 10.

01:10:02.840 Why would you possibly do this?

01:10:05.740 And the answer is because we want to send a signal to the judiciary.

01:10:10.900 In my perspective, this is about intimidation and intimidating any potential judges over

01:10:15.480 the next several years that could stand in the way of whatever Donald Trump wants to do.

01:10:20.140 But regardless of the facts, this was put on to be a show.

01:10:24.020 This is really to show intimidation of judges across the entire country, because we know that

01:10:29.400 Republicans in Congress have not been standing up to these terrible policies.

01:10:33.400 It's been our judiciary.

01:10:34.500 It's been our justice system.

01:10:36.720 And so now they're under attack.

01:10:39.800 Yeah.

01:10:40.640 So that's where they're going to go with it.

01:10:42.720 And my question for you is.

01:10:45.200 This is what, like, I don't know, the fifth big individual case that's come up in the immigration

01:10:52.600 lane right since Trump started the deportations, we had Mahmoud Khalil, the spokesperson for the

01:10:58.480 Colombia bullies.

01:11:01.100 Then we had Abrego Garcia.

01:11:04.640 I missed one.

01:11:05.720 There was another one in there.

01:11:07.080 We have this judge now, like there's whatever.

01:11:09.320 There's been a handful of, like, individual names that people are starting to know as sort

01:11:13.240 of the face of the Trump immigration or deportation struggle.

01:11:19.040 And is it starting to work from the left?

01:11:22.780 Because we have seen polls today that are not great for Trump.

01:11:27.320 Trump's pushing back on them, citing his own internal pollster, who's very good, John

01:11:31.320 McLaughlin, saying that they are weighted too heavily to Democrats and independents.

01:11:36.680 They don't have enough Republican or Trump voters in there.

01:11:38.880 I'm not sure about that.

01:11:41.140 You know, we actually looked at we did a compare and contrast.

01:11:44.940 And while there aren't that many Republicans in there, it seems to be the same amount of

01:11:48.040 Republicans that most pollsters use.

01:11:49.760 It's basically like 30, 30.

01:11:52.980 I'll tell you exactly what they are.

01:11:54.420 For example, the New York Times poll, which is terrible for Trump, has a sampling of 30 percent

01:12:01.640 GOP, Dem 28 percent, so it's two percentage points more Republicans, and 33 percent

01:12:08.100 independents, which actually, to me, seems to be what hurt him because he's not doing

01:12:12.300 well with independents.

01:12:13.300 You look back at a Harris poll, Harvard-Harris, which had Trump up two this month.

01:12:18.020 All these other polls are finding him down.

01:12:19.300 They had it GOP 35, Dem 33, so it had GOP up two, same as New York Times, but they had

01:12:29.120 the overall sampling had more Republicans and Democrats than it did independents.

01:12:35.200 They had 28 percent independents versus 33 percent independents in the New York Times

01:12:38.900 poll, which I think wound up hurting Trump.

01:12:41.760 Like, independents have turned on him.

01:12:43.240 That's what I think the headline of these latest polls is.

01:12:46.600 Because they don't like all the stuff that, like, the base likes and or at least finds

01:12:53.420 fine, you know, is, like, nonplussed by.

01:12:56.420 The Dems who voted for Trump and the independents who voted for Trump, who are more, like, not

01:13:02.880 like the really right-leaning ones, but even the left-leaning Dem, independents, are mad.

01:13:08.560 He's starting to lose support with those groups.

01:13:10.480 And it's in several polls.

01:13:14.480 Hold on a second.

01:13:14.980 Let me find my numbers so, like, we can go through some of them.

01:13:19.220 Okay.

01:13:20.300 You've got Trump's overall approval rating.

01:13:24.320 NBC, 45, disapprove, 55.

01:13:27.260 So he's 10 points underwater.

01:13:28.660 CBS, 45, 55, same, 10 points under.

01:13:31.620 ABC, Washington Post, which is one of the ones Trump called out.

01:13:34.560 A 39% approval rating, a 55% disapproval.

01:13:39.440 So that's 10 plus 6 is 16, 16 percentage points underwater.

01:13:47.660 Blonde, orange, and math.

01:13:49.540 Exactly right.

01:13:50.780 You've got CNN, 41% approve, 59% disapprove.

01:13:58.700 So that's obviously very bad.

01:14:00.040 But the trend line in the RealClearPolitics average of all polls, also not good.

01:14:05.400 He last had a net approval on March 12th, where it was 48.3 to 48.1.

01:14:10.680 And the averages are really what you should go with.

01:14:12.480 And now it's down to negative 6.7 as of Sunday, when you look at the RealClearPolitics average

01:14:18.600 of all polls.

01:14:19.820 When you look at, you know, what's going wrong, why people are upset, that New York Times poll,

01:14:26.660 he's starting to lose them in immigration, which has always been his strongest, but he's starting

01:14:31.240 to lose support there.

01:14:33.000 They're very unhappy about the economy in particular.

01:14:36.500 And he's got really bad numbers when it comes to the economy and tariffs, which people are not

01:14:41.620 in favor of.

01:14:42.620 But the starting, like the waning in the immigration numbers, which have held solid up until arguably

01:14:47.900 right now, would be a cause for concern.

01:14:51.280 It doesn't surprise me at all, Eliana, because all you hear about Trump on these stories is

01:14:56.540 the bad facts.

01:14:58.900 You don't you really do not get fair and balanced coverage like that.

01:15:02.780 Mahmoud Khalil, for one, you know, they basically made him into an American citizen, which he

01:15:07.940 was not.

01:15:09.200 He had no right to stay here.

01:15:11.140 And he was an agitator on that college campus, acting as the spokesperson for a group that was

01:15:15.360 committing criminal acts on Columbia's campus, which you didn't read about.

01:15:18.380 You talk peace, peaceful.

01:15:20.040 He really wanted to negotiate a peaceful settlement.

01:15:22.880 And all it would have taken was a complete divestiture by Columbia of any Jewish cause

01:15:26.940 in order to do it.

01:15:28.040 Right.

01:15:28.180 It's like you forget that.

01:15:29.420 And then a Brigo Garcia, the Maryland man.

01:15:31.720 I mean, it's a hoax.

01:15:32.880 That's the new hoax.

01:15:33.880 It's the new fine people on both sides.

01:15:36.080 He's just a Maryland man who's just wearing a Chicago Bulls hoodie.

01:15:41.440 That's it without putting into context, you know, that he was with two gang members.

01:15:45.720 That is the colors.

01:15:46.980 Those are the colors for MS-13.

01:15:48.660 They all wear those hoodies as part of like their uniform.

01:15:52.740 It's not like you wearing a Chicago Bulls hoodies, whatever.

01:15:56.720 So what do you make of where Trump is on the media war as reflected by these polls?

01:16:03.620 A couple of things.

01:16:04.960 I think a lot of this, I mean, it basically begins and ends on the economy.

01:16:09.280 And that started with Liberation Day and the fact that, look, he'd be in much better shape

01:16:17.080 if he just imposed the tariffs and stuff stuck to it.

01:16:19.600 I'm not saying that's a good policy.

01:16:21.060 I don't think it is.

01:16:22.180 But there's just been mass confusion since Liberation Day about what the policy of this

01:16:29.360 administration is going to be.

01:16:30.680 And the markets have lost billions of dollars.

01:16:34.160 And we said the same thing when when Biden was in office, that if the economy didn't improve,

01:16:41.360 he would suffer.

01:16:42.360 And I don't think most Americans are paying very close attention to Trump's fight with

01:16:46.940 the Ivy League or the cases of these specific immigrants.

01:16:50.520 Most of that is background noise.

01:16:52.500 People are paying attention, particularly those who were strong supporters of Trump.

01:16:57.740 And that means older people living on fixed incomes who can't, who don't have the luxury

01:17:03.040 of saying, oh, you know what?

01:17:04.740 Market lost 20 percent today.

01:17:06.800 It'll bounce back.

01:17:08.940 These are people who are drawing up, living off their 401ks or pensions.

01:17:13.460 They're living off retirement funds and it really matters for them.

01:17:15.860 So I think that's hugely problematic for Trump and will continue to be.

01:17:20.520 On immigration, he's obviously struggling with the media narrative.

01:17:24.420 And we didn't even get to the problems at the Pentagon, which I think have to concern

01:17:29.340 people because it deals with national security.

01:17:31.800 And the pictures one is getting of what's happening at the top there are not totally reassuring.

01:17:37.580 But on immigration, I mean, the story this weekend was the Trump administration deported

01:17:41.440 a two-year-old and a five-year-old and an 11-year-old or, you know, whatever the ages

01:17:45.000 of these kids were.

01:17:46.300 But that's not going to change the administration.

01:17:48.800 And by the way, on immigration, Trump actually has shut down illegal immigration at the border.

01:17:55.340 I think they have a compelling story to tell.

01:17:58.540 And over time, I do think the public will be with him on that.

01:18:02.900 I think Trump's fundamentally right on the issue, whereas on the tariffs, I'm not so sure.

01:18:07.180 Like people can look at their accounts and their own wallets and they're going to make

01:18:11.840 up their minds there.

01:18:12.620 The facts that the I don't understand the fights the left is picking on the immigration

01:18:17.860 issue, essentially going to visit and have drinks with people who are not good people.

01:18:24.040 Look, the Trump administration may not have followed the proper process, but the left

01:18:28.760 is finding common cause with people who I don't think the American people would feel

01:18:34.080 particularly sympathetic towards.

01:18:35.780 And I think the polls will come back to Trump on that.

01:18:39.360 But he needs to focus on and be worried about the economy.

01:18:42.640 I think he's also doing this, Emily.

01:18:45.040 Like he doesn't much care about these public fights with these individuals because, A, he

01:18:48.720 thinks it helps him.

01:18:49.640 But B, he thinks it's a deterrent.

01:18:53.060 Like he is very focused on making sure that southern border is secure.

01:18:57.980 And what better way of making sure it stays secure than scaring the living daylights out

01:19:05.280 of would-be traffic, you know, traffic traffickers or border crossers that there's a new sheriff

01:19:12.480 in town and you get in here illegally, even if you manage to make it past CBP, you very

01:19:19.320 well may wind up in El Salvador and we won't care.

01:19:23.120 That's, and yeah, like I disagree on that policy.

01:19:28.720 And, but if you talk to people in the administration, that is what they say.

01:19:31.920 And it's actually, the deterrence point is a reasonable one.

01:19:34.680 There have been stories, like the Associated Press had a big one last week about people

01:19:38.260 who had already started their human trafficking journey by paying cartels up through Central

01:19:44.060 America to come to the border who actually turned around because they didn't want to deal

01:19:49.720 with this.

01:19:50.320 So like to some extent, that is a successful deterrent.

01:19:52.240 They want people to self-deport so that they have fewer of these Abrego Garcia stories to

01:19:58.220 deal with in the media.

01:19:59.480 What's interesting, if you look at the poll aggregation, so the 530 or the silver bulletin

01:20:04.480 one from Nate Silver at RealClearPolitics, New York Times, what they look like is an X.

01:20:09.580 And that's starting with Trump's approval high, his disapproval low.

01:20:13.900 And there's, it's not unusual for there to be a honeymoon period, but sometime in early

01:20:17.360 March, around March 10th, March 11th, those numbers converged and it goes up again.

01:20:22.560 They, you know, the disapproval goes up, the approval goes down.

01:20:24.860 And that's before Liberation Day.

01:20:27.020 Again, not unexpected, but it happens fairly early for Trump.

01:20:31.000 He's less popular now than he was even in his first term, according to some averages.

01:20:35.560 And that's pretty early in his administration.

01:20:37.940 And so I think some of this predates Liberation Day.

01:20:40.740 And I actually would put the finger more at Elon.

01:20:44.300 I think Doge has disappointed people.

01:20:47.420 I think it's angered people.

01:20:48.640 I think just the idea of Elon Musk has pissed people off.

01:20:51.600 Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are getting like tens of thousands of people

01:20:54.900 to their rallies.

01:20:56.280 And that's, that's not entirely fake.

01:20:58.260 Like there's some real stuff happening because the, the Dems, you know, are the, the Dems are

01:21:03.300 messaging things like Gilmore Abrego Garcia horribly.

01:21:05.580 Like the, the trip to El Salvador that Van Hollen made was insane.

01:21:10.020 The date.

01:21:11.600 Oh my gosh.

01:21:12.640 It was so like, they're, they're not doing the establishment Dems are not doing themselves

01:21:16.380 any favors on this.

01:21:17.500 And it's genuinely going to be hard when, uh, you know, AOC and Bernie have to focus more

01:21:22.440 on immigration and can't just talk about quote unquote oligarchy because Elon Musk is

01:21:26.720 leaving.

01:21:27.420 Um, but I actually do think, I mean, people's social security has been affected by Doge.

01:21:32.060 Like they've had to deal with some of those things.

01:21:33.840 And I feel like that's a big part of the bleeding and that's why it started earlier than Liberation

01:21:38.480 Day and earlier than some of these high profile cases like Gilmore Abrego Garcia, which was

01:21:42.860 later in March.

01:21:44.040 I mean, I will say I didn't, I haven't looked totally deeply into the crosstabs on NYT, but

01:21:49.040 their daily podcast today suggested Doge wasn't as big of an impact in the numbers when you

01:21:56.180 dug deep and that they, they too thought the economy was big, but they actually saw a weakness

01:22:01.080 for Trump on immigration as I did too in their numbers.

01:22:03.980 I just think it has to be temporary because the public overwhelmingly wants these people

01:22:08.220 out.

01:22:08.740 You know, the, the media is trying to highlight stories falsely of some sympathetic figure,

01:22:12.960 which who aren't really sympathetic.

01:22:14.880 And even today they're, they're at it again.

01:22:16.680 You know, you heard this, this, um, there's this case.

01:22:19.100 He's, he's deporting two and seven year olds.

01:22:20.980 Now American citizens, he's deporting them.

01:22:23.180 And Marco Rubio went on the Sunday shows to put that to bed saying that's absolutely not

01:22:27.360 right.

01:22:27.660 Hold on.

01:22:27.860 I think we have it.

01:22:28.460 Do we have the Marco Rubio's out?

01:22:29.780 We do here.

01:22:30.640 It is, um, in SOT 13.

01:22:33.460 That's a misleading headline.

01:22:35.000 Okay.

01:22:35.520 Three U S citizens ages four, seven, and two were not deported.

01:22:39.160 Their mothers who are legally in this country were deported.

01:22:41.560 The children went with their mothers.

01:22:43.320 Those children are U S citizens.

01:22:45.060 They can come back into the United States.

01:22:46.920 If there's their father or someone here who wants to assume them, but it wasn't like you

01:22:51.380 guys make it sound like ice agents kicked down the door and grabbed the two year old and

01:22:54.560 threw him on an airplane.

01:22:55.720 That's misleading.

01:22:56.800 That's just not true.

01:22:57.860 Is it the U S policy to deport children, even U S citizens with their families?

01:23:04.620 And I hear what you're saying without due process, just to be very clear there.

01:23:08.860 Well, no, no, no, no, no.

01:23:10.460 Again, if someone's in this country unlawfully illegally, that person gets deported.

01:23:14.540 If that person is with a two year old child or has a two year old child and says, I want

01:23:18.580 to take my child with you, with me.

01:23:20.840 Well, then what you have two choices.

01:23:22.260 You can say, yes, of course you can take your child, whether they're a citizen or not,

01:23:25.420 because it's your child or you can say, yes, you can go, but your child must stay behind.

01:23:30.060 And then your headlines would read U S holding hostage, two year old, four year old, seven

01:23:34.760 year old while mother deported.

01:23:36.000 Very well done.

01:23:38.180 I just want to add to it.

01:23:39.580 What Tom Homan said on it.

01:23:40.840 Watch.

01:23:41.300 If you choose to have a U S citizen child, knowing you're in this country legally, you

01:23:47.840 put yourself in that position.

01:23:49.820 You put your family in that position.

01:23:51.960 What we did is remove children with our mothers who requested their children depart with them.

01:23:56.540 This was a parental decision, parental one, parent, parenting one-on-one.

01:24:00.680 The mothers made that choice.

01:24:02.340 And I tell you what, if we didn't do it, the story today would be Trump administration

01:24:06.000 separating families again.

01:24:07.400 No, we're keeping families together.

01:24:08.700 So when a parent says, I want that, I want my two-year-old baby to go with me.

01:24:13.820 We made that happen.

01:24:15.220 They weren't deported.

01:24:16.100 We don't import U S citizens.

01:24:17.740 The parents made that decision, not the United States government, but I don't hear any questions

01:24:22.020 about they can rally had a mother.

01:24:24.480 She's never, she's never going to see her child again.

01:24:28.480 Rachel Morin.

01:24:29.560 She had five children.

01:24:31.440 She, you know, those children are never going to see the mom again.

01:24:34.660 Well done, Tom Homan at the white house.

01:24:36.340 That was just this morning that they're getting better.

01:24:38.700 At fighting these media battles, Emily.

01:24:41.180 Well, I think they're, they're, they're probably realizing.

01:24:44.040 And again, I'm having talked to people in administration.

01:24:46.300 I think they're, they're probably realizing there are more clear cut examples to focus

01:24:50.760 on that are, are like, it's, it's not their fault when the media, like they did with Kilmar

01:24:54.840 Abrego Garcia, it was an Atlantic story, um, brings up a thing.

01:24:58.340 It's not like the white house wanted to focus on Kilmar Abrego Garcia, but after it happened,

01:25:01.880 the white house dug in and in, and there are examples.

01:25:04.700 I mean, of course, Democrats acted like complete fools in reaction to that story, but this

01:25:09.260 one is like completely insane that they were able to put a side by side of what would have

01:25:14.660 happened had they not let children go with their mothers.

01:25:18.420 I mean, this is just plainly a non story, uh, because it's just like the common sense thing.

01:25:23.240 When somebody comes to the United States overstays is not supposed to be in the country anymore

01:25:27.480 and has a child there.

01:25:28.500 It's a non story that they're taking us citizen children with them.

01:25:32.600 The story as Tom Holman says would actually be keeping the children.

01:25:36.460 Like, it's just completely crazy.

01:25:38.500 Uh, and so I think they're getting, I do think they're getting smarter.

01:25:41.240 The other thing is they're getting a lot of heat for not doing mass deportations, quote

01:25:45.760 unquote, mass deportations at the volume that some of the hardcore, you know, kind of Steve

01:25:50.100 Bannon types want to see them do.

01:25:52.500 And so I think they're just realizing that the, the strategy, uh, needs to be a lot cleaner,

01:25:57.380 um, and clearer.

01:25:58.700 So that's where they're, I feel bad for them on that front.

01:26:01.120 They are doing literally everything humanly possible to deport as many people as humanly

01:26:04.720 possible as quickly as they can.

01:26:06.560 It's just, they've had so many, it's not a kingdom.

01:26:08.960 You know, they, they do have legal constraints and how quickly they can move.

01:26:13.020 Even some of our viewers were writing in, um, saying, you know, but Obama departed, deported

01:26:17.860 13 million people.

01:26:18.880 Why don't they just do what he did?

01:26:20.600 Obama deported people at the Southern border that they counted those as deportations.

01:26:24.960 If he did any, I don't think the number was that high, but the point was,

01:26:28.360 he decided at some point in his term to actually do some border enforcement and to turn the

01:26:33.740 people away as they were trying to come into the country.

01:26:35.440 And they counted each one of those, like the, the ones who were turned away as deportations.

01:26:40.360 And so he ran up his deportation number, you know, Trump, if you wanted to count deportations

01:26:45.660 by that number, my God, Trump's definitely in the millions already, but that's, he's actually

01:26:50.820 trying to get people who are, who are in the United States living in communities, trying

01:26:56.380 to get jobs and so on.

01:26:57.580 He wants them all out.

01:26:58.840 And in many cases, committing crimes like it, but he doesn't really care.

01:27:02.040 I mean, he's going to start with the worst first, but he doesn't care and make a distinction

01:27:05.600 between extra criminal or just criminal.

01:27:07.920 And so far as you violated our immigration laws, he wants them all gone as do a majority

01:27:11.960 of the American people.

01:27:14.040 Standby, quick break, more on the backside.

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01:30:49.140 People always want to say, why are you so emotional when you testify?

01:30:54.680 Why are you so emotional on the network?

01:30:56.160 Because if they wore my shoes for 40 years, they'd understand why I'm emotional.

01:30:59.780 I've talked to little girls as young as nine years old or raped multiple times by the cartel

01:31:04.260 members.

01:31:05.220 And when you get to your knees and you talk to that little girl and everything innocent

01:31:07.960 and pure has been ripped from her.

01:31:09.080 When you listen to the Lake and Riley, 17 minutes, that young lady fighting for her

01:31:14.280 life, don't just think, okay, a young woman died.

01:31:17.980 Think of how she died.

01:31:19.320 The terror that she went through.

01:31:21.080 And these children are sexually assaulted.

01:31:24.020 I stood in the back with tractor trailer and 19 dead people at my feet that baked to death.

01:31:30.240 Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime.

01:31:33.020 And so every sick person we take off the streets, especially child rapists, it makes this country

01:31:38.560 much safer.

01:31:40.200 Every illegal alien we arrest, public safety threat, one at a time makes this country safer.

01:31:45.760 I can't get enough of Tom Homan.

01:31:47.240 He should be out there every day.

01:31:50.100 He should be at that White House press briefing room every day.

01:31:53.160 Emily Jaschinski, Eliana Johnson, back with me.

01:31:55.780 That's what's real.

01:31:57.820 That is what's real.

01:32:00.240 And those are the ones they're starting with.

01:32:02.600 The child rapists, the murderers, the gang members.

01:32:06.240 And we still can't get the media to give this team a fair shake.

01:32:10.360 So it's not going to get any better.

01:32:12.640 They're going to have to just plow through them.

01:32:14.260 They can't work with them.

01:32:15.260 They just have to plow right through them.

01:32:17.060 Okay.

01:32:17.440 I just wanted to show that soundbite.

01:32:18.700 I want to move on because we had a big interview over the weekend.

01:32:22.340 We dropped it Saturday morning with a guy named Colin Carroll.

01:32:25.620 And he is one of the now fired, accused leakers from the Pentagon.

01:32:31.740 So he worked as the chief of staff for the deputy secretary of defense, Steve Feinberg.

01:32:38.560 And he was fired along with two other guys over there, one of whom Tucker had on his show

01:32:45.580 and the other Darren hasn't yet spoken out.

01:32:47.340 And any one of these three guys could be placed in handcuffs at any point these days.

01:32:53.640 They all deny that they leaked anything.

01:32:56.460 And this was an hour and a half chance to listen to one of the accused, now fired guys, military guys,

01:33:01.180 served us honorably, deployed to Afghanistan multiple times.

01:33:04.760 And I want to give the audience now, listening on a weekday, a chance to hear a bit from Colin.

01:33:11.140 Here's SOT31.

01:33:11.760 The reason I'm here today, quite frankly, is because I feel wrongly accused.

01:33:21.120 I know for certain I did not leak anything.

01:33:23.540 I know for certain I didn't do anything else that's criminal either.

01:33:26.780 And after his interview on Fox and Friends this week, I felt like, one, I'm being told I can't talk about my investigation.

01:33:36.300 But he is directing investigation and on national television basically saying everyone were criminal.

01:33:41.060 Or maybe not.

01:33:42.000 Maybe we're going to be exonerated.

01:33:43.000 I don't know.

01:33:43.420 It was kind of a bit of a – it was hard to interpret what was going on.

01:33:48.960 Yeah, I'm here because I want the American public to know the truth.

01:33:52.900 I think that your viewers – you've got a lot of viewers, and I think this is a good medium to do that.

01:33:57.500 And I think from the truth, I will be able to show that I am innocent and hopefully be publicly exonerated,

01:34:04.020 which is really what I'm looking for.

01:34:05.100 So, Emily, we've had the advantage now on Monday of seeing all of our viewer mail,

01:34:11.640 and it came in in droves, in droves about this interview.

01:34:15.640 It's posted on our YouTube right now and on our podcast feed,

01:34:18.240 and there wasn't one who had any doubts about him.

01:34:21.500 And they had a myriad of reasons why they believed him fully,

01:34:24.520 but there wasn't even one listener or viewer of the interview, which, again, is about 90 minutes long,

01:34:29.740 who had even a scintilla of doubt that he was a truth teller.

01:34:33.760 They could hear him do certain things that truth tellers do, like run toward the story,

01:34:37.040 run toward the event that they're being asked about, in this case, leaks.

01:34:41.040 Want a full exploration of it, not just faking,

01:34:43.780 no ums and ahs as they try to dance past it or away from it.

01:34:47.200 And I totally understand what they're saying.

01:34:50.060 When listening to that guy, my own personal opinion is he didn't do it.

01:34:53.380 I don't know why he was fired, but he spoke of a Pentagon that is having a lot of

01:34:59.780 internal fights with personnel, and these are Pete's guys.

01:35:05.380 President Trump, even over the weekend, he gave an interview to The Atlantic magazine,

01:35:09.820 still reiterating that he's in Pete's corner, which is good.

01:35:12.680 But it does seem like there's a bit of personnel problems going on inside the Pentagon.

01:35:19.020 Yeah, so this is such an interesting story, and that was a great interview.

01:35:21.760 I agree completely.

01:35:23.380 I had the same reaction to him as the audience did and as you did.

01:35:27.080 People can watch Dan on Tucker's show, Dan Caldwell on Tucker's show as well,

01:35:30.840 and will likely come away with a similar conclusion.

01:35:33.840 And even just knowing Dan a little bit, I think that's probably exactly what happened.

01:35:37.740 And there's been some fascinating reporting that basically the paranoia inside the Pentagon

01:35:44.100 about leakers and about people who are trying to subvert Pete Hegseth and the Trump administration

01:35:50.880 is so strong that Pete's own inner circle is turning on itself because they're paranoid

01:35:59.360 about who's leaking and who's not leaking.

01:36:01.900 And so the drop site story about what happened behind the scenes here is that someone who was

01:36:07.580 trying not to leak, Colin, who was trying not to leak, this came out like last week,

01:36:12.920 ends up being accused of leaking when trying to avoid looking like he's leaking.

01:36:17.400 And it's because Casper and probably Hegseth himself.

01:36:21.180 That's the chief of staff, repeat, Joe Casper.

01:36:23.060 Yeah, and they are rightfully was right.

01:36:26.680 But they are correct that they're absolutely correct to be paranoid because everybody is

01:36:31.940 out to get them.

01:36:32.960 So they're in this impossible situation where they're trying to implement dramatic reforms

01:36:37.900 of a corrupt institution and the corrupt institution is fighting back.

01:36:42.800 And in that situation, it's very difficult to not end up getting defeated by the institution

01:36:49.140 because it's extremely powerful.

01:36:50.580 And you're this like team that's coming in and trying to, quote, like drain the swamp.

01:36:55.320 So I feel like that's what's happening here.

01:36:57.180 And it is a really sad story.

01:36:58.660 And I thought your interview brought that side of it out.

01:37:01.780 Oh, thank you.

01:37:02.680 I thought I know you do that other show with Ryan Grimm, and he did a great job in his

01:37:05.820 reporting, which advanced the story considerably.

01:37:08.440 Eliana, what she said is exactly right.

01:37:10.500 Right.

01:37:10.660 It's like you've got the deep state, which is a real thing inside the Pentagon who don't

01:37:14.540 like Pete.

01:37:15.640 Then you've got more neo-Kani Republicans who they're not his number one fans.

01:37:20.040 You know, they're they accept that he's running DOD and I'm a and I'm a neo-Kani.

01:37:24.200 Yeah, you're a neo-Kan.

01:37:25.360 Free beacon to say endorse Pete.

01:37:28.220 I'm a fan of Pete.

01:37:29.360 But they're not they're not but they're not his number one fans.

01:37:32.180 It's it is fair to say his number one fan, like the the main neo-Kani people wanted somebody

01:37:37.720 who was a little bit more bellicose.

01:37:39.560 And Pete's an acceptable choice.

01:37:41.660 There could there are more restrainers.

01:37:44.980 There are more vocal restrainers, like more on the Tucker wing that they could have gone with.

01:37:48.700 So I think they accepted Pete.

01:37:50.320 But in any event, my point is simply he his main faction of support should be MAGA.

01:37:57.000 And I don't know exactly who those guys are within the Pentagon, but I think all these

01:38:01.040 forces have some of the forces inside the Pentagon feeling unsteady.

01:38:05.500 And he's been under constant barrage since he took the oath since before he took the oath

01:38:09.860 all the way up to now.

01:38:10.940 Go ahead.

01:38:11.200 I have a totally different take on this from you guys.

01:38:16.740 I I like the secretary.

01:38:18.800 I was supportive of him because he was the president's choice.

01:38:21.940 And I viewed him not as part of either the MAGA restrainer faction or the neocon faction.

01:38:28.220 I thought he had support from from both sides.

01:38:31.500 And in that sense was a good reflection of this administration.

01:38:36.420 And most importantly, he had the trust of the president and he's a fighter in the press,

01:38:41.400 which makes him a good fit for this administration.

01:38:43.960 However, I with all of this stuff, it was clear that Pete would be besieged by the press

01:38:51.980 this entire time.

01:38:53.020 Um, you know, these guys, Colin Carroll, uh, Darren Selnick, Dan Caldwell, Joe Casper.

01:39:00.940 These are four of the people you never heard of them before because they're not important.

01:39:05.940 Really people there, they, they served at the pleasure of the secretary of defense and of

01:39:11.880 the president of the United States.

01:39:13.440 You know what you don't do when you're fired from an administration is go run to Tucker Carlson

01:39:19.200 and run to the Megyn Kelly show.

01:39:20.920 I mean, great interview, Megyn.

01:39:21.920 And like, they're, they're wonderful.

01:39:23.100 Of course, the press is going to cover this run to Politico and run your mouth about what

01:39:28.260 happened inside.

01:39:29.360 And it's a betrayal of the administration.

01:39:31.600 Um, it's a betrayal of the oath that they took when they went in.

01:39:34.880 And if they think this is helping matters, it is not.

01:39:38.600 And I'm struck by, uh, the fact that all of these guys are doing it, um, and presumably

01:39:43.960 were vetted by this administration for an administration that puts so much as such a huge premium on vetting

01:39:51.200 loyalists.

01:39:52.540 Okay.

01:39:53.160 I know, but is it supposed to, but, but is the loyalty supposed to stay in place?

01:39:57.960 Even once they fired you and basically accused you publicly of being a felon.

01:40:02.340 Like the, the reason those two guys, both of whom had very nice things to say about Pete

01:40:06.580 Hegseth came forward is because they feel like their reputation is being completely destroyed.

01:40:12.920 And it was, I can speak to Colin.

01:40:15.380 It was very important to him to come out and say, I did not do this.

01:40:18.880 I listened to the whole thing.

01:40:19.760 I listened to the whole thing.

01:40:21.540 Um, and I think if you go serve, you leave and you keep your mouth shut.

01:40:26.540 Um, that's my, that's my personal.

01:40:28.280 They didn't fire him quietly.

01:40:29.620 He's not supposed to defend him.

01:40:31.100 I, I understand that.

01:40:32.980 I understand that.

01:40:33.980 And that's a risk they take.

01:40:35.140 And I don't think that he said, Oh, I'm so he said, I don't really know.

01:40:38.560 He's not a Pete guy.

01:40:39.680 Uh, Dan called was a Pete guy.

01:40:41.280 Look, I don't think Pete went and threw his own people under the bus.

01:40:44.280 Like nobody looks good in all of this.

01:40:46.000 Um, but to me, this reflects poorly on the administration's vetting that reflects poorly

01:40:51.440 on their personnel choices.

01:40:52.700 And it reflects poorly on, you know, how they pick people they thought would be loyal to

01:40:58.240 them.

01:40:58.640 Like the whole thing sticks.

01:40:59.680 And by the way, I would say, I have no idea what happened here.

01:41:03.300 I have no read of this and no idea what the drama was on the inside, but I don't think

01:41:08.080 anybody does.

01:41:08.520 I think I do.

01:41:09.520 I know.

01:41:10.020 I disagree.

01:41:10.960 I now feel like I haven't figured out, but go ahead, Emily.

01:41:13.360 Well, I was just going to say, I mean, from what we know, Colin seems to have actually

01:41:17.560 been trying to be loyal.

01:41:19.520 Um, and that's, what's frustrating to him and to Caldwell is that they were actually like

01:41:24.500 he got the call from Dan Lipman of Politico and tried to do the right thing, um, and,

01:41:30.060 and work it up the chain and still ended up getting booted and then smeared in the public.

01:41:35.380 And so I guess I see what I want to say.

01:41:38.380 I'm a little bit more sympathetic to them afterwards coming out and explaining what happened because

01:41:42.660 they're making this case that it's important for the public to know about the, the, you

01:41:47.040 know, mess that's happening behind closed doors.

01:41:48.880 It's about five people in the public that's following this story to the extent of like

01:41:52.960 the, you know, the ins and outs of even who these people are.

01:41:58.140 No, nobody in America knows who these people are.

01:42:00.140 They just know it's a big mess at the Pentagon.

01:42:02.600 Well, yeah, right.

01:42:03.260 But they're saying that you should know why.

01:42:06.080 Yeah.

01:42:06.660 I don't think anybody's following along in the details.

01:42:09.080 I don't, I don't know.

01:42:09.840 I don't know if that's true because look, Pete went on Fox and friends.

01:42:12.560 He spoke to it from the Easter egg roll, which made a lot of news.

01:42:16.240 Dan went on Tucker, which is a huge show.

01:42:19.060 Colin came on this program, which is also very large and the numbers are huge.

01:42:24.100 People are definitely tuning in.

01:42:25.660 I can see them.

01:42:26.380 And so there's interest in these, in these guys.

01:42:28.560 And in this story, our interest is, is in getting it right.

01:42:31.620 The, the left wing media wants you to just walk away with chaos at the Pentagon, chaos,

01:42:36.900 chaos.

01:42:37.280 It's not ideal, but it's, I, I, I feel like to sum it up, it's some growing pains happening

01:42:43.500 over there.

01:42:44.200 And there are factions that are out to get you, you know, as a paranoia, if they really are

01:42:47.540 out to get you, I'm just not sure he found the right ones who are actually out to get

01:42:53.700 him.

01:42:53.860 And time will tell on that front.

01:42:55.200 Okay.

01:42:55.460 We'll talk more about it tomorrow when Tucker's here.

01:42:57.580 So he and I will get into this whole thing in more detail.

01:43:00.140 Ladies, thank you both so much.

01:43:01.920 Thanks, Megan.

01:43:02.460 Thank you.

01:43:07.180 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 28, 2025

Media's Sad and Smug Celebration, Gaslighting on Immigration, and Bizarre Belichick Interview, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 1059

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