The Megyn Kelly Show - Meghan Markle's ＂Founder＂ Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching ＂The Nerve,＂ with Maureen Callahan

00:00:00.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.360 Okay, this is going to be the greatest show we've ever done.

00:00:14.880 I just want you to know today is going to be the greatest show we have ever put on the air in the history of The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:21.140 Well over 1,000 episodes, and if I'm a liar, you can email me.

00:00:25.500 We're going to nail this show, and I know because I've already seen half of it.

00:00:29.040 Let me explain.

00:00:30.440 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:31.580 Just back from D.C.

00:00:32.900 And by the way, check out my hour-long sit-down with FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty McCary.

00:00:37.400 You guys know him from Johns Hopkins and from being a COVID contrarian in the best sense,

00:00:43.100 a man of sense who is, for that reason, elevated to run and reform the FDA by President Trump.

00:00:49.240 And we had a really good sit-down together yesterday, and he went over some of the things he's encountered at FDA since taking over 17 days ago.

00:00:56.600 And some of the swamp creatures who came out to try to snare him when he was named.

00:01:02.540 So it's a great exchange.

00:01:03.700 I think you'll really enjoy it.

00:01:04.740 It's doing very well.

00:01:05.600 But now, we told you we were going to do this, okay?

00:01:10.020 Maureen Callahan came on a month or two ago when Meghan Markle's As Ever series dropped.

00:01:17.480 And, you know, we deconstructed it, you may recall.

00:01:20.700 And we had an idea at that time.

00:01:24.380 And our idea has become a reality.

00:01:28.160 Now, Maureen is a columnist for the Daily Mail.

00:01:29.840 And she's also here to promote her new show on the MK Media Network.

00:01:35.340 You can find it wherever you get your podcasts for free.

00:01:38.400 It's just being produced by us.

00:01:40.600 And it's called The Nerve with Maureen Callahan, The Nerve.

00:01:44.760 It launches on Tuesday of next week.

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00:03:00.480 Maureen, welcome back.

00:03:02.020 You know, Megan, I've said this to you before, and I mean it, truly.

00:03:05.940 I do not know what I've done to deserve you.

00:03:08.100 Oh.

00:03:08.640 I really, really don't.

00:03:10.520 Oh, Maureen.

00:03:11.160 And you, that was your idea, by the way, I'm just going to give you full credit for it, to do the Meghan Markle spoof show.

00:03:19.460 And we got, I think, to act out a lot of our frustration.

00:03:25.160 And I think we are absorbing a lot of communal energy.

00:03:28.880 Yes.

00:03:29.140 Because the response, just even to the trailer that you put up last night, has been like a huge catharsis.

00:03:36.040 They're with us.

00:03:36.960 They're with us.

00:03:37.820 Everyone's with us.

00:03:38.440 We all get it, and we all needed this.

00:03:40.880 I'm going to show it in a minute, but before we get, and Maureen hasn't seen it.

00:03:44.540 Okay, I intentionally withheld it from Maureen.

00:03:46.880 I have seen it, and I died.

00:03:48.640 I died multiple times over.

00:03:50.400 I laughed so hard.

00:03:51.720 Abby and I watched it together.

00:03:52.960 Our stomachs hurt.

00:03:53.880 We were laughing so hard.

00:03:54.800 We're going to keep the sound down here on the set as we watch it, because we don't want to ruin it for you guys with our laughter.

00:04:00.020 But before we get to that, I do want to start with the trailer for The Nerve.

00:04:04.380 You all love Maureen, and I love this trailer because it really does give you a feel and a flavor for who she is, because a lot of people don't know her yet, and they're about to.

00:04:13.160 Watch this.

00:04:15.000 This is The Nerve.

00:04:17.000 When Ben Affleck moves out of the $65 million marital home he shared with J-Lo in the metaphorical dead of night while she's off in Europe, we're going to analyze it like the collapse of the Roman Empire.

00:04:30.420 When Meghan Markle drops yet another mediocre show or podcast, we're going to take it all apart like a pinata.

00:04:38.080 We'll also be covering true crime in real time.

00:04:41.260 Diddy, Luigi Mangione, Brian Koberger, all those trials and what they say about America.

00:04:46.800 We're your home for all things pop culture, including fashion, TV, movies, books, social media, and the new health and wellness space targeted particularly at women.

00:05:01.000 And I promise you, you'll never guess what we're about to say next.

00:05:04.860 The Nerve with Maureen Callahan, launching Tuesday, April 22nd.

00:05:10.260 Please join us.

00:05:12.640 I will.

00:05:13.980 I will.

00:05:15.080 I'm subscribing now.

00:05:16.200 The Nerve with Maureen Callahan.

00:05:17.980 You guys love Maureen.

00:05:19.020 Do it.

00:05:19.500 Support her and make sure we get her voice out there.

00:05:22.540 Thank you, Megan.

00:05:23.240 And while I have your attention, Joseph Massey, who is on promoting his poetry book, America is the Poem, has now risen not only well past Maria Shriver on the number one under poetry, but his book went up to number 18 in all books in America on Amazon.

00:05:38.680 That is remarkable.

00:05:39.780 Still in the top 50.

00:05:40.860 God bless you, Megan Kelly Show viewers.

00:05:42.640 God bless you for helping Joseph Massey.

00:05:44.420 It's we have uncanceled him.

00:05:46.780 We have single handedly the audience of this show uncanceled Joseph Massey.

00:05:50.240 That's incredible.

00:05:51.840 And that's, you know, we were doing a dress rehearsal yesterday for The Nerve and we were saying, you know, this is like, this is the place where you can't get canceled.

00:06:00.840 Yeah.

00:06:01.020 This is not what we're here for.

00:06:02.100 That's right.

00:06:02.660 Yeah.

00:06:03.240 And I love the name, by the way, The Nerve.

00:06:05.200 Thank you.

00:06:05.700 It's so clever.

00:06:06.360 Well, it's apt right now because I am more nervous than I've ever been in my entire life.

00:06:11.440 I am having physiological, but I will be ready to go in that chair next week.

00:06:18.420 I'm working it out a little bit.

00:06:19.760 That makes it even more fun for us to watch.

00:06:21.660 Oh yeah, sure.

00:06:22.140 We're not used to seeing you nervous.

00:06:23.640 Okay.

00:06:23.960 Okay.

00:06:24.400 So back to our project.

00:06:27.720 Which camera am I supposed to be looking at, Steve?

00:06:29.340 I'm all disoriented.

00:06:30.700 This one or the white one?

00:06:32.120 Okay.

00:06:32.440 I don't know.

00:06:32.780 I, I've, I've never been on TV before.

00:06:35.320 I don't.

00:06:35.860 Right.

00:06:36.700 Okay.

00:06:37.200 Okay.

00:06:37.520 So this is like an Oscars red carpet situation for Maureen and yours truly today.

00:06:43.420 And the reason is we did the shoot and we created our own version of her terrible Netflix

00:06:50.400 show, which she calls with love Megan.

00:06:54.720 And, uh, I had this extremely talented producer who I've worked with for years come over and

00:07:00.720 he, this guy's a miracle man.

00:07:02.420 He did it all himself.

00:07:03.700 We did not rehearse anything.

00:07:05.920 Maureen and I did not talk beforehand.

00:07:08.200 Everything you're about to see is ad libbed.

00:07:10.500 And I think you're going to love it as much as I do.

00:07:13.840 You'll be seeing it along with Maureen for the very first time, uh, installment one of

00:07:19.700 our own with love, Megan.

00:07:22.340 It's important to me to stay relatable.

00:07:32.020 It's Megan, like with a hard A, Megan.

00:07:34.620 Megan.

00:07:34.720 I love to elevate a guest's visit.

00:07:40.180 Finally, I can breathe again.

00:07:43.800 Cheers, dear.

00:07:44.820 Yes!

00:07:45.240 It's so good having you here.

00:07:47.000 I love friends.

00:07:47.780 You're a holiday, a break from the rain.

00:07:53.920 Can you please zoom in?

00:08:07.020 Welcome, everyone.

00:08:08.140 I am so excited to share this day with you.

00:08:11.460 Just like in a dream.

00:08:13.760 With my good friend who's coming over.

00:08:16.320 I love friendship.

00:08:17.860 And I decided to elevate my day and yours by having Maureen come over so that everyone

00:08:24.820 can really love me and see the real me, M, as I am, at home, in my actual kitchen.

00:08:32.840 She's here.

00:08:37.480 Oh, my God.

00:08:39.000 Hi.

00:08:40.000 Hi.

00:08:40.640 You look amazing.

00:08:41.680 Hi.

00:08:42.440 You look even better.

00:08:46.560 It's so good to see you.

00:08:48.540 Thank you so much for having me to your beautiful, incredible kitchen.

00:08:54.820 This whole thing?

00:08:55.760 I'm so glad to be renewing our lifelong friendship.

00:08:59.000 Me, too.

00:08:59.700 I haven't heard from you in forever.

00:09:01.440 I wondered what happened.

00:09:02.640 You know the kids.

00:09:03.660 Did I do something?

00:09:04.860 No, stop.

00:09:06.320 By the way, I love your Luke.

00:09:08.060 Sorry, what's that?

00:09:09.660 You're Luke.

00:09:10.440 You look amazing.

00:09:11.260 You're Luke.

00:09:12.280 My Luke.

00:09:13.320 My Luke.

00:09:15.640 My Luke.

00:09:16.140 She likes my Luke.

00:09:17.900 Anywho, come on in.

00:09:20.020 Okay.

00:09:20.460 I'm doing something really generous for you.

00:09:22.640 Oh.

00:09:23.380 Yeah.

00:09:23.760 Oh.

00:09:24.000 I thought it might be nice if I made you a special gift basket.

00:09:29.040 Okay.

00:09:29.820 Because, you know, you stay in somebody else's house.

00:09:32.420 You always feel uncomfortable.

00:09:33.880 You know they don't really want you there.

00:09:36.180 And I just wanted you to know when you're upstairs alone in the other wing by yourself

00:09:40.760 that we are thinking about you and we've given you enough things to help make you stay

00:09:45.220 there as long as you'd like.

00:09:46.600 That's very thoughtful.

00:09:48.040 Guess what I'm making for you.

00:09:54.500 A side of corn?

00:09:57.320 Microwave popcorn.

00:09:58.800 Most people would just phone it in by going Orville Redenbacher.

00:10:02.640 Mm-hmm.

00:10:03.340 Or, you know, one of those brands.

00:10:04.900 Right.

00:10:05.180 Toxins.

00:10:06.200 Ton of toxins.

00:10:07.020 Really?

00:10:07.700 What we are going to do is just plop them in there.

00:10:10.760 Here, take one.

00:10:12.020 You plop it right in there.

00:10:13.640 It's so simple.

00:10:14.700 Only the lazy people don't do this.

00:10:16.600 I need a paper bag.

00:10:17.940 Here we go.

00:10:18.840 It's right behind you.

00:10:20.540 Are you sure this is safe?

00:10:21.640 I'm sure it's fine.

00:10:24.440 Pop it on in there.

00:10:25.400 Okay, okay.

00:10:26.000 I do this all the time.

00:10:27.920 Okay, here we go.

00:10:29.920 We're going to pop that baby in there for about two minutes and let the good times roll.

00:10:37.920 Yeah, so I'm a founder now.

00:10:39.440 My company's called As Ever, products that you can't get anywhere else like jam.

00:10:44.560 Jam?

00:10:45.320 Yeah.

00:10:45.980 Jam.

00:10:46.760 Mm-hmm.

00:10:47.100 No kidding.

00:10:47.940 There's a huge market.

00:10:49.060 Huge.

00:10:49.520 I never saw you as really a jam person.

00:10:52.800 But we know each other so well.

00:10:54.760 What do you...

00:10:55.240 I mean, that's what I mean.

00:10:56.460 Like, we know each other so well, and still this takes me by surprise.

00:10:59.240 That's what I mean.

00:11:00.060 It's almost done.

00:11:00.920 Only 32 seconds more.

00:11:04.120 Okay, the moment of truth.

00:11:07.760 Still popping.

00:11:11.840 Oh, my God.

00:11:13.820 You did it.

00:11:14.860 We're going to put it in one of these special cellophane bags, because what is a fancy food

00:11:22.540 staple if it doesn't get put in a fancy bag?

00:11:24.960 We're just going to dump it in there.

00:11:27.800 Get rid of that.

00:11:28.660 It's okay.

00:11:34.220 These aren't...

00:11:34.680 It's not expensive like your clothes are.

00:11:36.620 Look at how fun that is.

00:11:39.400 Oh, oh.

00:11:42.120 I can't.

00:11:44.740 Hold on.

00:11:45.820 A little more.

00:11:46.780 Here we go.

00:11:47.740 May I taste a...

00:11:50.160 It's okay.

00:11:50.980 All right.

00:11:53.980 Nailed it.

00:11:54.620 So now, what's important is to make sure that there's a bow on everything.

00:11:59.880 We're just going to have to do a little cutting.

00:12:03.740 And make sure that it looks absolutely perfect.

00:12:06.620 I really like to cut my ribbons in a diagonal, because I'm not a barbarian.

00:12:13.680 And I really recommend that you do it, too.

00:12:15.900 And by the way, I really hope you're noticing all these beautiful, fine finishes I'm doing

00:12:20.360 on your special gift basket.

00:12:22.700 I'm not done.

00:12:23.580 I have some more little baggies, and that's because I have more little treats for you.

00:12:28.380 Oh, wow.

00:12:29.100 Yeah.

00:12:34.700 So, I have to be honest.

00:12:36.000 I've pretty much exhausted myself on the corn and the cob.

00:12:38.580 And therefore, I went store-bought.

00:12:41.440 But these are amazing, and you're going to absolutely love them.

00:12:45.740 This, we're just going to put into a different bag.

00:12:49.460 They're spectacular.

00:12:51.020 Wow.

00:12:51.640 Yeah.

00:12:52.080 You bought those.

00:12:52.780 Did you go and buy them in the store?

00:12:54.980 Well, I mean, they were purchased for you.

00:12:56.600 That's the important thing.

00:12:57.560 Yeah.

00:12:58.200 Exactly.

00:12:58.640 The thought is everything.

00:12:59.560 Look how easy I can make this.

00:13:01.520 I open them.

00:13:02.520 I open them.

00:13:04.700 Then I open the bag.

00:13:07.460 Could you?

00:13:08.340 Oh, of course.

00:13:09.240 Yes.

00:13:09.540 And then, look what I do.

00:13:15.140 Could you open a bit more?

00:13:16.640 I'm doing that.

00:13:17.300 Okay.

00:13:17.700 And then I just, and then I just don't put it.

00:13:20.680 Just like that.

00:13:21.600 Where are you getting all these, like, mini brainstorms?

00:13:24.860 What's, I'm so impressed by this.

00:13:27.380 I mean, you have to be a founder to really understand it fully.

00:13:30.800 But maybe in the next wave of our friendship, I'll try to explain it to you.

00:13:34.480 Hold that tight, please.

00:13:35.540 Okay.

00:13:35.940 Now we're going to use a different color ribbon because we want everything to feel special

00:13:41.540 in its place.

00:13:42.820 And how do we cut the ribbon, Maureen?

00:13:44.700 On an angle.

00:13:45.900 Here we go.

00:13:47.120 It's just so fun sharing my love language with my friends.

00:13:50.800 Yes.

00:13:51.460 Yes.

00:13:51.980 I mean, this is what friendship is all about, really.

00:13:54.540 This special time of bonding and me asking you lots of questions about yourself.

00:14:00.440 Right.

00:14:00.620 Because you really come alive when you talk about yourself, Megan.

00:14:03.840 I don't know if we're supposed to maybe mention your marriage, which seems like the love

00:14:10.640 story of all love stories, really.

00:14:12.940 My husband, Dee, he gets me.

00:14:17.200 He isn't exactly what I thought he was.

00:14:20.360 I mean, I was told there'd be a big castle.

00:14:23.560 You know, it's fine.

00:14:25.540 I can make do in this place.

00:14:29.420 But it's fine.

00:14:30.280 What's important is love.

00:14:31.540 Right.

00:14:32.100 It's the most important thing.

00:14:33.180 And friendship.

00:14:34.780 Yes.

00:14:35.340 Friendship.

00:14:35.760 Yes.

00:14:36.220 Yes.

00:14:36.740 Where would we be without our friends?

00:14:39.020 And I have my pretzels as yet another token of the high esteem in which you hold me.

00:14:44.900 It's super high.

00:14:45.740 Great.

00:14:46.140 Okay.

00:14:46.440 Could not be higher.

00:14:47.120 I'm crying.

00:14:58.000 I'm crying.

00:14:58.640 I'm laughing so hard.

00:14:59.620 I have not seen any of that.

00:15:01.360 That day flew, by the way.

00:15:03.140 It flew.

00:15:04.540 And we had not talked before.

00:15:06.860 There was no script.

00:15:08.240 No.

00:15:08.340 I didn't even have like a scene breakdown of anything.

00:15:10.720 Nothing.

00:15:10.920 Just walked in cold.

00:15:12.300 And I don't know whether to be proud of us or feel sorry for us that we are so well versed in what Meghan Markle or her supplicant would say at any given moment that we could just ad lib all day long.

00:15:24.840 And the cocktails helped a lot.

00:15:27.380 Those were real.

00:15:28.460 My favorite thing, my favorite part of the whole thing is like the one layer down boiling rage I have for you and everything.

00:15:39.420 And one layer down if that obvious like subservience and fear you have for me.

00:15:46.420 Well, I told you after that to me, like my inner child really came out, my inner child who spent 12 years being tormented by nuns in Catholic school, right?

00:15:57.660 So the instinct is just defer and run the other way, right?

00:16:01.440 So that's all I had to do with you is just defer, defer, defer and get out of there.

00:16:06.440 It's so exactly, if I do say so myself, we really nailed especially like her and Daniel, the way she was with guest number one.

00:16:14.400 And kind of Mindy Kaling too, they're obviously all afraid of her hair trigger and she's like, she could snap at any moment.

00:16:22.680 I'm Sussex now.

00:16:23.880 Snap at any moment, like turn on the charm just a little bit or like, but I did tell you, you were slightly terrifying that day.

00:16:31.400 You were very, very, very good as Meghan Markle.

00:16:34.980 I, I, I am dying.

00:16:37.620 I can't, I can't believe it.

00:16:38.740 It's my interpretation of Meghan Markle.

00:16:40.940 It's a, that's how I see her in my, in our parody of her and her ridiculous show.

00:16:46.780 And you can't, for the listening audience, you definitely need to go watch this one on youtube.com slash Meghan Kelly.

00:16:52.160 You must.

00:16:52.740 I mean, truly, if you can see the graphics, he's laid in all these pictures of me as a fake royal with a tiara.

00:16:58.780 By the way, it's all AI.

00:17:00.240 Those are all AI photos, which is, it looks amazing.

00:17:03.440 It really looks like I'm a beekeeper.

00:17:04.820 Photoshoot, that beekeeper thing with like the sun hitting you from like every, and this beatific look on your face.

00:17:11.780 Here it is again.

00:17:12.560 Oh my God.

00:17:13.260 And me is like, um, with, with my roast turkey and with my chickens, look me with my tiara and my chickens that I clearly raising and getting eggs from.

00:17:23.200 That looks amazing.

00:17:24.500 This is all fake.

00:17:25.640 It's AI.

00:17:26.860 It's crazy how good it is.

00:17:28.800 And, um, he, he's laid in these little, there's yours truly and Doug in our royal carriage.

00:17:34.540 Um, the, the, the headlines, like the slate in front of the scenes include, um, how to make microwave popcorn, how to put pretzels in a bag.

00:17:45.520 And the other thing you don't get when you're just listening to it is Maureen's expert side eye to the camera.

00:17:53.300 It was, I mean, it was really easy to play straight man to you because the absurdity, like, again, you didn't even have to take it up a level.

00:18:01.200 Like we were just doing what she was doing on the show.

00:18:03.700 That's right.

00:18:03.920 Like when you were like, I'm going to, first of all, this is how much I adore you.

00:18:07.940 I bought you store bought plot pretzels.

00:18:10.400 Right.

00:18:10.640 Like, it's like, that's just funny.

00:18:13.180 And you, it's funny.

00:18:13.960 You would like, it's so nice to be here in your kitchen, which is exactly what we do with friends.

00:18:19.100 You know, we, we take them to the kitchen.

00:18:20.360 We put them to work when they come over.

00:18:21.980 Of course.

00:18:22.460 Yeah.

00:18:22.720 You sort of berate them for not slicing things properly or getting ice together.

00:18:27.060 Or my favorite bit was the faucets and the water.

00:18:29.880 And like, Oh yeah.

00:18:30.860 You were criticizing the way I was like turning the faucet on.

00:18:35.340 First, you helped yourself without asking me.

00:18:37.420 I told, I told Jake who was running the couch.

00:18:39.260 I was like, you left for a minute.

00:18:40.660 I was like, don't tell Megan.

00:18:41.520 I'm getting a glass of water.

00:18:42.780 Don't tell her.

00:18:43.500 I'm in her cabinet.

00:18:44.640 She's method right now.

00:18:45.740 Yeah.

00:18:46.180 Anything could happen.

00:18:47.240 Exactly.

00:18:47.840 Okay.

00:18:48.240 So now we're going to play part two for you.

00:18:51.600 And, uh, this is part two of two, although there is a part three that, you know, we'll

00:18:55.580 see.

00:18:56.020 Um, but for today we have two parts and, um, I think you're going to enjoy this just as

00:19:01.040 much.

00:19:01.740 Here we go.

00:19:02.180 I'm back.

00:19:03.180 Okay.

00:19:04.180 I'm back.

00:19:05.740 Okay.

00:19:06.740 Okay.

00:19:07.740 Here we are.

00:19:08.740 I'm going to keep this on hand just for life in Connecticut.

00:19:12.940 I think this is the earliest that I've had alcohol in a long time.

00:19:16.080 Oh, welcome to Montecito.

00:19:17.580 I can do it.

00:19:18.680 Okay.

00:19:19.640 There's nothing you can't do.

00:19:21.000 I know.

00:19:21.420 I know.

00:19:21.820 I'm a common girl and I don't have people do it for me.

00:19:25.160 I've got it.

00:19:27.360 It's not the same.

00:19:29.060 Are you going to hurt yourself?

00:19:30.140 I'm going to be fine.

00:19:31.260 This is how I, this is how I entertain.

00:19:35.320 Oh, there you go.

00:19:37.660 Like I've been doing it my whole life.

00:19:39.340 I never doubted you.

00:19:40.460 Here we go.

00:19:41.660 Woo.

00:19:43.220 Good times.

00:19:43.580 Wow.

00:19:44.360 Am I going to get hammered?

00:19:46.120 No.

00:19:46.660 That's why I'm feeding you.

00:19:47.800 I think people are happier when they're around me if they're intoxicated.

00:19:51.640 There we go.

00:19:52.200 A little bit more.

00:19:53.740 Ah.

00:19:54.340 Oh, wait.

00:19:55.120 It's very important of me to put a little fruit in my bubbly.

00:19:58.360 I think it elevates it.

00:20:01.120 Here we go.

00:20:02.000 Yes.

00:20:02.680 Megan, tell me where you got that gorgeous bracelet.

00:20:06.100 It's Megan.

00:20:08.040 Megan.

00:20:08.440 You keep saying Megan Markle, you know I'm Sussex now.

00:20:11.980 It's very important to me.

00:20:13.420 My dearest friends know it's Megan, like the month of May.

00:20:16.520 Right, right, right, right, right.

00:20:19.880 Don't worry.

00:20:20.560 If something gets on your white clothes, you can just give it to your maid and she will

00:20:24.840 take care of it.

00:20:25.800 Cheers, Mae.

00:20:26.740 Cheers, dear.

00:20:28.180 Cheers, dear.

00:20:29.180 You know how I like to say rhymes.

00:20:30.460 Mm-hmm.

00:20:31.540 To me.

00:20:33.320 It's so great to see you.

00:20:34.860 I think it's important that we elevate our ice cubes.

00:20:40.720 I feel like too many people foam this portion of the day in.

00:20:44.120 If you could just learn like I have to elevate the ice cubes, you'll have more friends and more

00:20:49.100 people will give you compliments.

00:20:50.260 This is what we have to use, my friend.

00:20:52.940 Still water that's natural and bottled.

00:20:57.120 Do not just use tap water.

00:20:59.020 So we fill up the ice tray.

00:21:04.320 Here, you try it.

00:21:05.220 Anyone can do it.

00:21:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:06.720 You don't hold it like that.

00:21:08.000 You just hold it higher up on the neck.

00:21:10.100 Like that?

00:21:10.520 Yeah.

00:21:10.900 Okay.

00:21:14.300 Great job.

00:21:15.380 But it's not just going to be regular ice cubes, Maureen.

00:21:17.660 Okay.

00:21:18.120 We're going to put flower petals into the ice tray.

00:21:21.860 It's like a Markle Sparkle situation.

00:21:24.160 Could you please grab some?

00:21:25.680 Sure.

00:21:26.440 What do those flowers say on them?

00:21:28.140 It's like a tag.

00:21:29.940 Non-edible.

00:21:34.120 That's fine in small doses.

00:21:36.160 And then we're just going to drip them into the ice tray.

00:21:40.300 Okay.

00:21:40.760 We're just going to pop them right into the freezer.

00:21:44.120 Oh, that reminds me.

00:21:45.980 Oh, completely forgot.

00:21:47.540 Yeah?

00:21:48.000 We were going to make my special sun tea.

00:21:51.040 We're going to get rid of the little Lipton signs.

00:21:54.240 Can I ask you, is there a reason you're not using British tea or American tea?

00:21:58.620 I've got an issue with the Brits.

00:21:59.900 Oh.

00:22:00.460 You may have read about it.

00:22:01.340 Just to make it extra special.

00:22:02.840 Elevate it, you might say.

00:22:04.280 Okay.

00:22:04.760 Here we go.

00:22:06.160 Here we go.

00:22:12.640 So the dog treats.

00:22:14.000 Okay.

00:22:14.560 Dog biscuits.

00:22:20.300 I'm going to let you just follow what I've written down, my instructions, while I...

00:22:24.500 I think it's time for an outfit change.

00:22:26.660 Will you keep working and I'll be right back?

00:22:28.200 This is sort of the history of our friendship.

00:22:33.940 I do all the heavy lifting.

00:22:36.900 Here she comes.

00:22:37.900 Here she comes.

00:22:39.620 And I'm back.

00:22:41.360 Fresh as a daisy.

00:22:42.400 So you're well on your way with the dog biscuits.

00:22:45.780 That's important.

00:22:46.780 On a lightly floured surface, we're going to roll out the dough.

00:22:49.520 A quarter cup of water to finish it off.

00:22:51.960 Filtered, of course.

00:22:53.860 Someone put some water in the mixer.

00:22:56.160 Someone got left alone in the kitchen for another costume change.

00:22:59.500 Not to worry.

00:23:00.420 I saw this coming.

00:23:03.060 Ta-da!

00:23:05.520 I already...

00:23:06.520 You already made them.

00:23:07.860 I already made them perfect.

00:23:09.100 And guess what?

00:23:10.140 Since you already know this because you made them, they can be eaten by humans too.

00:23:14.820 Summon substance of coming to Megan's house for fun.

00:23:22.520 You're going to eat dog food and you're going to like it.

00:23:26.200 Come.

00:23:27.260 Good job.

00:23:29.000 Okay, that's it.

00:23:30.340 Your dogs are so well behaved, Megan.

00:23:32.840 Oh, thank you.

00:23:34.260 It's just the kind of house I run.

00:23:36.320 Look at that perfect amber color.

00:23:39.260 No one else has ice sprinkles.

00:23:43.460 Cheers, dear.

00:23:44.820 No problems whatsoever.

00:23:55.180 Redwick!

00:23:56.240 Oh, no.

00:24:06.120 I'm dying.

00:24:07.340 I was like doubled over in tears.

00:24:09.380 I'm on my second tissue.

00:24:11.580 We're both fixing our makeup during the...

00:24:13.540 During the...

00:24:14.200 Like while that was running.

00:24:15.740 Oh, my God.

00:24:17.060 I mean, also, Strudwick, really, I think, the secret weapon of that entire bit.

00:24:23.200 Because Megan's dog, I believe she probably sedated that dog.

00:24:26.860 He sat perfectly in his little perfect doggy bed and Strudwick was like, what didn't make

00:24:33.460 the cut, and I hope you show online or something, is Strudwick escaping to the pool.

00:24:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:39.620 And we're in our black tie.

00:24:41.080 That's right.

00:24:41.680 In the middle of the day.

00:24:42.580 And you had to run out.

00:24:43.540 Yes.

00:24:43.880 In your sequined gorgeous gown to the...

00:24:46.560 Like trying to get Strudwick out of the pool while the sun tea is still brewing.

00:24:51.320 And I was like, your pool guy must think you have lost your mind.

00:24:54.440 This is how I live.

00:24:55.280 This is how I live.

00:24:55.960 I just wear black formal sparkles during the day.

00:24:59.040 There's another scene that we'll get to in which we are...

00:25:01.480 We elevate the outfits even more and we go black tie.

00:25:05.440 And that's why we then have fur on in this latest scene.

00:25:09.560 But yeah, Strudwick was his typical terrible self, which will come to the surprise of no

00:25:12.760 one listening to this show.

00:25:13.960 And for the listening audience, you could see him at the end.

00:25:16.860 He got up.

00:25:18.180 We left to go do a wardrobe change.

00:25:20.340 And Jake had the cameras rolling and caught Strudwick, of course, immediately jumping

00:25:25.120 up and eating all the stuff that we had prepared.

00:25:27.900 So we caught that on camera.

00:25:29.420 And the little headlines in this one were, how to put fruit in champagne.

00:25:34.660 This is the stuff you get from Meghan Markle's show.

00:25:37.420 How to make ice cubes.

00:25:39.640 Literally, this is what she's doing.

00:25:41.660 And then the edible flowers was a whole story in and of itself because Jake, the producer,

00:25:46.220 he went to like five different stores, grocery stores and flower stores to try to find edible

00:25:53.120 flowers.

00:25:54.020 And what they said was at the grocery stores, they were all like, oh, we got rid of those

00:25:58.300 years ago.

00:25:58.860 They were way too expensive.

00:26:00.100 They're just, they're ridiculous.

00:26:01.100 They die right away.

00:26:01.780 It's not worth it.

00:26:02.700 And that the floral shops, they said, you should never eat flowers.

00:26:06.060 They're toxic.

00:26:06.940 They're covered in pesticides.

00:26:08.480 They're only for looking, you know.

00:26:10.000 And so that's why they have that little sticker on those flowers, like do not eat, not edible.

00:26:15.160 And so she's trying to market these edible flowers, which I guess, are they grown in

00:26:20.320 her garden with no pesticides and no toxins whatsoever?

00:26:23.900 I don't know, but you cannot buy these as a real person anywhere.

00:26:28.440 You have to conveniently buy them from her.

00:26:31.660 You know, we got those at the mail.

00:26:34.800 I should have brought them for you.

00:26:36.460 You would die.

00:26:37.340 Hers?

00:26:38.080 Yeah.

00:26:38.460 Okay.

00:26:38.680 So they come in this, they come in, I guess the packaging for her crepe mix, maybe.

00:26:44.480 Or the shortbread, whatever.

00:26:46.120 The crepe mix, which she tells us, by the way, is French style.

00:26:48.360 Thanks so much.

00:26:49.260 Because crepes are actually a French invention.

00:26:51.380 So they are, by definition, French style, Megan.

00:26:54.660 And then there's this little cellophane baggie.

00:26:58.800 Now, as you and I have previously discussed, I've never consumed street drugs.

00:27:02.580 I know people who have, and it looks like a little drug baggie.

00:27:06.180 It's so cheap.

00:27:07.220 And inside are these like flakes, these multicolored flakes that you would never go, those are fruit

00:27:15.760 petals.

00:27:16.380 Those are lovely little fruit petals.

00:27:18.420 They look like hard pieces of lint, like that you would pull out of the dryer.

00:27:22.600 You're better off with sprinkles.

00:27:23.800 And also, until you, when, so we were, I was deputized, thank you, Megan, to pick the

00:27:30.820 flowers, the hydrangea petals off, right?

00:27:33.260 The toxin riddles.

00:27:33.700 Before we put them in the plastic ice tray.

00:27:39.220 You said, look at the label.

00:27:40.840 What does that label say to you?

00:27:42.320 What does that label say to you?

00:27:43.380 Just like a nun.

00:27:44.060 Yeah.

00:27:44.520 What does that label say to you?

00:27:45.620 And it said non-edible, which, by the way, whenever I purchase flowers, I never think

00:27:50.420 like, should I look and see if this is an edible item?

00:27:53.740 Like, who thinks this way?

00:27:55.180 Should I eat these?

00:27:56.320 Oh, no, these I can't eat.

00:27:58.180 Those I can't eat.

00:27:59.020 Can I eat the peonies, maybe?

00:28:00.840 The sunflower?

00:28:01.640 Yeah.

00:28:01.940 It's so, so hopefully we'll get to in the third installment, all the cooking we did,

00:28:06.460 because we actually did a fair amount of cooking and chopping and mixing.

00:28:11.220 It was hard labor.

00:28:13.000 It was hard labor.

00:28:13.740 And I was actually surprised.

00:28:15.060 I thought it was maybe sort of a threat that would not be made good.

00:28:21.000 The fruit platter almost killed me.

00:28:22.940 Yeah.

00:28:23.460 The fruit platter almost did me.

00:28:26.520 We did it.

00:28:26.820 I was like, are we done?

00:28:27.720 Is this it?

00:28:28.300 We did it.

00:28:28.440 We were not.

00:28:29.020 No.

00:28:29.320 We were not.

00:28:29.940 But yeah.

00:28:30.480 We were exhausted by the end of that.

00:28:32.080 I mean, fruit was slipping out of our hands.

00:28:34.000 Yes.

00:28:34.480 You were berating me for washing fruit too hard.

00:28:37.180 Like, you were really channeling her.

00:28:39.180 I was method.

00:28:39.740 You really were.

00:28:40.640 And then the kicker was, we finished that up.

00:28:43.440 It was a four-hour shoot.

00:28:44.460 We finished that up, and I had to do AM update.

00:28:47.160 I had to tape that early that day, because we had plans that evening.

00:28:50.660 So I'm like half in the bag from all the champagne we had.

00:28:53.840 And then I had to do this hour and a half long thing with Stanford Business School.

00:28:57.420 I'm like-

00:28:57.640 How did that go?

00:28:58.240 You guys have no idea what I spent my afternoon doing.

00:29:00.740 You have no idea what I've been through.

00:29:02.380 Yeah.

00:29:03.060 Yeah.

00:29:03.240 It's funny too, because then, of course, the next day I'm sitting with Marty McCary, and

00:29:05.920 I'm like, I have the most bizarre variety in my job of pretty much anybody I know, like

00:29:11.060 sitting down to the FDA and pretending to be Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex the day

00:29:15.820 before.

00:29:16.300 Drinking champagne with just constantly piling fruit in, which we both acknowledge was actually

00:29:21.380 pretty good.

00:29:21.840 Yeah.

00:29:22.160 We're going to give her that one.

00:29:23.840 I'll give her that one.

00:29:24.480 Um, but really just guzzling, guzzling, guzzling, because it was partly in character and we're

00:29:28.860 in fur for day.

00:29:30.660 Like we really took it up.

00:29:31.980 And then when it was all over, just sitting and like having a moment to take all of our

00:29:37.260 hard work in.

00:29:38.020 Yes.

00:29:38.320 We really, we really, really, really worked hard that day.

00:29:42.280 It was so fun.

00:29:43.240 The truest line I think was spoken in that segment was, um, this was me in the character

00:29:48.060 of, of Ms. Markle saying people seem to like me a lot more when they're intoxicated.

00:29:53.860 Yes.

00:29:54.320 That's why I serve champagne liberally.

00:29:57.540 And why I kept topping you off to try to like blunt some of that mean energy coming my

00:30:03.140 way.

00:30:03.620 She probably has no idea why people are like, yes, for the love of God, get this champagne

00:30:07.140 at 8am.

00:30:07.460 A hundred percent.

00:30:08.320 Now on the subject of the weird photos of, you know, the AI photos of the princess version

00:30:14.320 of me, she's not a princess.

00:30:15.760 She's a duchess at best.

00:30:17.300 Um, Jake, he was asking you and me if we had any photos of ourselves when we were little

00:30:22.580 girls in the kitchen.

00:30:23.640 And not surprisingly, we didn't.

00:30:26.000 And, um, no, of course we, we were never in the kitchen.

00:30:28.960 Like, do you, do you have little picture pictures of you cooking as a kid?

00:30:31.480 I was like, are you kidding me?

00:30:32.520 First of all, I grew up in the seventies.

00:30:33.620 There are no picture.

00:30:34.180 And I was the third kid.

00:30:35.060 There are no pictures of me.

00:30:36.080 There was zero interest in me.

00:30:37.900 But honestly, I was not an attractive child, so it's fine.

00:30:40.580 It worked out.

00:30:41.260 No, I swear.

00:30:41.720 I'll show, I'll prove it to you.

00:30:42.480 Okay.

00:30:42.960 Um, but Jake ran, uh, our actual, uh, like our present day photos through this AI generator

00:30:49.860 that was making these photos.

00:30:51.140 And let me tell you something, Maureen, it doesn't work like that.

00:30:54.900 Okay.

00:30:55.200 Let's start with the one of Maureen and put it on the board.

00:30:58.100 See what AI came up with.

00:31:00.620 I look like an 80 year old.

00:31:02.980 Like I look like I have a form of dwarfism.

00:31:05.420 Oh, it's nothing compared to what you're about to see, but stand by.

00:31:09.560 Let's just keep it on this one for a second.

00:31:11.280 It's like a Maureen.

00:31:12.740 It is an adult picture of Maureen's face and Maureen's kind of hair on like a little body.

00:31:19.900 It's been just shrunk.

00:31:20.720 It's like been miniature.

00:31:21.840 I've been miniaturized.

00:31:23.620 You look like like a magical, mythical creature.

00:31:26.820 Not so much.

00:31:27.420 It's like a Keebler elf.

00:31:28.100 Not like a child.

00:31:28.700 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 Like elfin.

00:31:29.900 I do.

00:31:30.360 Okay.

00:31:30.580 But now I definitely look like a little person.

00:31:32.440 Look at the one they came up with.

00:31:33.480 Remember me.

00:31:35.020 Ew.

00:31:35.560 Oh my God.

00:31:36.540 Ew.

00:31:37.220 Oh my God.

00:31:37.940 But this is like, this would be you at like, that would be me at maybe two.

00:31:41.120 This would be you.

00:31:41.700 I feel like it's six maybe.

00:31:43.320 It's me with my current hair and my current face, but smaller in like a little person's

00:31:48.740 body.

00:31:49.300 Something about this is incredibly disturbing and creepy and the kind of thing that you'll

00:31:53.980 have nightmares over.

00:31:55.560 I love this.

00:31:56.480 I love that.

00:31:57.040 Um, it's very Meghan Markle with your hair falling right into the food that you're creating.

00:32:02.580 That's right.

00:32:02.960 Yeah.

00:32:03.080 Perfect.

00:32:03.840 That's the other thing.

00:32:04.640 And do you know, I found this out later that in a real kitchen, chefs are not allowed

00:32:09.780 to wear any makeup.

00:32:11.160 Really?

00:32:11.660 I didn't know that.

00:32:12.180 Of course the hair has to be back.

00:32:13.320 Right.

00:32:13.580 And they're not allowed to wear any makeup.

00:32:15.140 So it's like all this stuff she's doing with like her big lashes and on their lip gloss.

00:32:19.500 It's like, okay, you might want to be careful before you touch that much food and

00:32:23.360 hover over the, the, the pat, the pot and the pan.

00:32:26.020 And, um, what's the other thing about, uh, how we, how we shot it.

00:32:30.860 I lost it.

00:32:31.440 Anyway, the whole thing where he was so much fun.

00:32:33.720 It was very cathartic.

00:32:35.100 It was very, she's so easy to parody.

00:32:37.960 Let's put it that way.

00:32:38.840 I don't, I don't think it's exactly excoriating.

00:32:42.340 There's some healthy mocking, but let's face it.

00:32:44.860 She deserves it.

00:32:45.620 She deserves it.

00:32:46.440 And I think the, the, the real loss is really only going to be Meghan Markle's because as

00:32:51.680 we've discussed before, she has zero sense of humor.

00:32:54.060 Yeah.

00:32:54.280 And if she could laugh at herself at all, she might really, really see the humor in that.

00:32:58.800 And especially the interpersonal dynamics that she has with her great friends who come over

00:33:03.860 the, so the line that killed me was when I, I asked you about your mini brainstorms of

00:33:10.800 decanting and repackaging in multiple plastic containers.

00:33:14.580 And you said, and I'm guessing you had the, like in the next wave of our friendship, I'll

00:33:20.740 try to explain it to you.

00:33:23.300 Like you could unpack the microaggressions in that one statement for days.

00:33:28.700 It's like, there were so many things that were just flying by my head.

00:33:32.000 And how about you?

00:33:32.580 And you're like, you know, yes, that's what our friendship's always been about me asking

00:33:36.900 you lots of questions about yourself.

00:33:39.020 You really seem to come alive when you talk about yourself.

00:33:44.580 And it's like, in some of the other clips, which I'm sure we'll get to, um, it's Maureen.

00:33:49.900 Anytime she tries to say anything about herself, I talked over her.

00:33:53.060 Megan just cut me right off.

00:33:54.180 She, she was, she was really good at asking me an, a barbed question, like an insult, right?

00:33:59.720 Oh, I love you.

00:34:00.380 I love, I know all your weak spots.

00:34:01.780 Let me go right here.

00:34:02.820 And then you, and then I try to answer in a way that will like recover some dignity and

00:34:07.160 you just cut me right off onto your next, you know, back to you, back to you.

00:34:11.680 I'm sure, I'm sure everyone is more interested in me.

00:34:14.100 That's pretty much how she feels.

00:34:15.660 Of course.

00:34:16.180 She's fascinating.

00:34:17.780 Oh, this just in, this just in, we've been renewed for a second season.

00:34:22.620 You're kidding me.

00:34:23.720 We've been renewed.

00:34:24.560 Oh my God.

00:34:25.400 Well, of course we're so great, right?

00:34:26.840 The people have spoken.

00:34:27.500 I mean, you are great.

00:34:28.700 I'm all right.

00:34:29.600 But you're, you listen, it's your show.

00:34:31.520 So, you know.

00:34:31.920 When you're a founder, good things just keep finding you.

00:34:35.440 You know, I, there is so much truth in that basic aphorism.

00:34:39.160 I never realized.

00:34:40.400 All right.

00:34:40.540 We're not leaving her quite yet because, um, she's in addition to this show launched

00:34:45.340 another podcast about founders.

00:34:49.120 What else?

00:34:50.560 Founders.

00:34:51.340 Okay.

00:34:51.660 I've been dying to talk to you about this because I was on, I was commuting on the train

00:34:57.660 and listening to episode one.

00:34:59.880 Okay.

00:35:00.420 Okay.

00:35:00.720 So I did.

00:35:01.160 I think I did too.

00:35:02.580 Again, you're always overachieving.

00:35:04.640 I did my face.

00:35:06.760 I mean, even listening, like even when we were talking about the Netflix show, I said, I

00:35:11.020 watched these following episodes.

00:35:12.820 They were three in total.

00:35:13.700 You go, I did four.

00:35:14.820 Okay, Megan.

00:35:15.580 Okay, great.

00:35:16.720 You got to commit when it comes to this woman.

00:35:18.780 You're going to fall behind.

00:35:20.200 I know I'm doing my best.

00:35:22.080 It's a, it's, it's like mountain gets harder to climb every time.

00:35:24.840 So that, that first episode struck me.

00:35:27.640 Okay.

00:35:27.780 She's got the founder of Bumble on.

00:35:29.860 Okay.

00:35:30.140 Okay.

00:35:30.280 Now I would never have been able to tell you her name.

00:35:32.960 No, still can't.

00:35:33.700 Right.

00:35:34.020 So like, again, where's the Gwyneth's of the world, right?

00:35:36.600 Where are the real starry, starry founders?

00:35:39.680 This entire episode, it was like, it was like watching a toothless child try to eat some

00:35:46.460 oatmeal.

00:35:47.080 It was just like conversations about intentionality, making space, giving oneself permission to

00:35:55.080 love oneself.

00:35:55.880 Like, tell me how any of this is applicable to building an actual business.

00:36:01.260 Yeah.

00:36:01.640 No, it's all her weird, like self-help talk.

00:36:04.720 That's we were getting at some of that in our little bit, but if you listen, you know,

00:36:09.320 to this podcast, like the earlier one, it's all like, she's overly therapized.

00:36:13.420 She's classic, like this younger generation that has spent too much time online trying

00:36:18.380 to explore themselves.

00:36:19.640 And she said something to the woman I heard in episode two, who did, um, girls who code.

00:36:26.180 Yeah.

00:36:26.660 I don't know.

00:36:27.260 Whatever.

00:36:28.160 Um, and the reason of course she's honest, because apparently Megan Markle put some money

00:36:32.460 toward that company.

00:36:33.200 And so this was a chance for this woman to be like, you're so amazing.

00:36:37.600 Oh my God.

00:36:38.100 You invested in me.

00:36:39.560 You support people.

00:36:41.100 It was completely just a setup for that.

00:36:43.380 Well, so the, the Whitney, the bumble woman episode was notable for a couple of things,

00:36:48.800 but one was, so Whitney goes to Megan.

00:36:50.600 Um, do you mind if I tell the story about you?

00:36:53.020 The Ireland story.

00:36:54.040 Can I tell that story?

00:36:55.140 I guess this really private, sacred piece of information.

00:36:57.660 Megan goes, oh yeah.

00:36:59.140 Oh yeah.

00:36:59.540 Of course you can tell that story.

00:37:00.920 So they had just met.

00:37:02.220 And by the way, the way they met was like, Megan invited her and her husband over for

00:37:05.440 a new year's Eve party, which is really like how you get to like forge, you know, some

00:37:09.620 intimate bonding when you're having people over for a huge holiday party, whatever she

00:37:14.060 goes.

00:37:14.300 Okay.

00:37:14.420 So I'm, I'm in the airport in Ireland and I go into, you know, one of those, like,

00:37:18.120 what do you call them?

00:37:19.140 Like a newsstand.

00:37:20.280 She literally sent those.

00:37:21.240 What?

00:37:21.660 Like a Hudson news, like a new, like they're okay.

00:37:23.800 So I'm in there and I'm looking at the, at the racks and you are on the cover of every

00:37:29.140 single magazine.

00:37:31.200 And I said to myself, how does this woman deal with all of this attention?

00:37:36.420 Oh my God.

00:37:37.800 How does she, how does she manage it?

00:37:39.760 And it was just like, Megan was just like, I know.

00:37:41.820 She's eating it up.

00:37:42.700 Thank you.

00:37:43.340 I know.

00:37:43.760 It's so hard.

00:37:44.820 It's so hard.

00:37:45.700 That's what her show is about.

00:37:46.920 Really.

00:37:47.240 It's all secretly a cover for her that the Netflix show that we just parodied this podcast,

00:37:52.260 like she was talking to this woman of girls who code.

00:37:55.060 And of course the woman referenced 10 times being a woman of color, a woman of color, how

00:37:59.540 hard it is.

00:38:00.340 I mean, she's an Indian.

00:38:01.460 So like, not for nothing.

00:38:02.260 I'm like, they're not exactly oppressed.

00:38:04.020 They're like at the top of the echelon and income and academic achievement.

00:38:08.540 Okay, fine.

00:38:10.340 Nothing against Indians.

00:38:11.580 I'm just saying like, you're not really high on the oppression scale.

00:38:14.080 Right.

00:38:14.380 Right.

00:38:14.640 Just stop.

00:38:15.180 Um, and Megan's like, she said something like, you know, and, and that, that cut deep

00:38:21.640 and Megan's like, yes, were you cut or were you cut open?

00:38:25.760 She did not say that.

00:38:26.640 Yes.

00:38:27.140 So it was her Oprah.

00:38:28.260 Opens you to more experiences, Maureen.

00:38:31.060 That's why that's a new way.

00:38:32.920 That's, that's why founders get ahead because they look at life's crises in that manner.

00:38:38.780 The other thing I loved, uh, she talked about being consumed with her packaging, which

00:38:44.620 is someone who got the packaging, the items, it's really cheap stuff.

00:38:49.380 She, um, she, she.

00:38:51.020 Oh, we have some of this.

00:38:51.940 Wait, they cut this.

00:38:52.860 Yes, we did.

00:38:53.640 We played it once before that my team is telling me, but it's still good.

00:38:56.640 Let's play it.

00:38:57.120 It's hot 33.

00:38:58.220 Let's be honest.

00:38:59.640 Launching a business.

00:39:00.380 It can be so overwhelming, even with the best of teams.

00:39:05.880 It'll keep you up at night.

00:39:07.140 For example, a month ago, I was absolutely consumed with packaging boxes.

00:39:18.060 It's all I could think about.

00:39:19.720 And I would sit there doing the unboxing in my head.

00:39:22.780 Is there tissue paper?

00:39:23.520 What about the packing peanuts, but they're biodegradable.

00:39:25.340 And where does the sticker go?

00:39:26.180 And hold on.

00:39:26.600 And what size the box is going to be?

00:39:27.720 And no, that's not going to fit all the skews.

00:39:29.340 Oh my gosh.

00:39:30.380 And then someone says, but you don't want to brand the outside of the box because a porch

00:39:33.560 pirate had never heard that before.

00:39:35.540 Or what's a porch pirate?

00:39:37.040 And then I'm sitting there and I'm like, does any of this actually matter?

00:39:40.300 Of course it matters.

00:39:41.300 It matters at the beginning.

00:39:42.460 But how much does it matter?

00:39:45.400 Oh my God.

00:39:46.080 What twaddle.

00:39:47.620 She's never heard of a porch pirate.

00:39:49.700 She's never seen any of those videos that go viral of people stealing.

00:39:53.960 Like, okay, fine, whatever.

00:39:55.860 Also, I can tell you there's a million, there are not a million, but there are significant

00:39:59.720 mistakes on the packaging, Miss Perfectionist.

00:40:02.460 Yeah, because you ordered the goods.

00:40:03.620 I referenced that earlier.

00:40:04.540 You actually went to the website and ordered my special jam.

00:40:07.980 Well, someone did.

00:40:08.980 As Megan would say.

00:40:10.260 I'm not doing that.

00:40:11.200 Someone else did it.

00:40:11.900 Someone.

00:40:12.260 Someone did it.

00:40:13.000 But so she's talking about her perfectionism and her struggles.

00:40:17.860 And does any of this matter?

00:40:19.500 Existentially, I can say it does not matter.

00:40:21.540 We're here for you.

00:40:22.160 Exactly.

00:40:23.400 So the Bumble woman tells Megan, she reassures her by saying, listen, the most important

00:40:28.660 thing is, did you give it your all?

00:40:30.420 Oh God.

00:40:30.980 It doesn't matter if you succeed or fail, but did you give it your all?

00:40:33.240 Oh, to which I say it does matter.

00:40:34.900 No, it matters.

00:40:35.740 If you succeed or fail.

00:40:36.420 That's actually the entire point of this enterprise because nobody wants to lose money on their

00:40:41.200 investments.

00:40:42.160 You can't take another ding to your brand.

00:40:44.240 Sorry.

00:40:44.560 Is that what you're going to tell your producer on your show?

00:40:46.200 Like, we don't really care about success.

00:40:47.700 Just try.

00:40:48.500 Just trying hard.

00:40:49.420 Just try hard.

00:40:50.560 And to me, it's this sort of like post COVID Gen Z general philosophy in life, which is like,

00:40:56.800 well, I tried hard.

00:40:57.860 Yeah.

00:40:58.060 The outcome doesn't really matter.

00:40:59.740 Did I give it my all?

00:41:01.600 What matters is how I feel.

00:41:03.180 Exactly.

00:41:03.840 Not really how I did.

00:41:05.000 Exactly.

00:41:06.180 Here's one that you are going to love.

00:41:08.380 This is from episode two.

00:41:10.640 When she confesses the secret of every successful woman.

00:41:15.920 Here it is.

00:41:17.640 We're going to talk about what's behind every successful woman.

00:41:19.660 What's behind every successful...

00:41:21.060 What's behind every successful woman is self-awareness.

00:41:24.180 There comes a point where each of these women on their journeys has such a tremendous sense

00:41:30.140 of self-awareness and the desire to dig deeper that is unflappable.

00:41:39.060 Self-awareness from this one?

00:41:43.200 It's almost like she's talking to herself about her...

00:41:48.400 But because she doesn't know herself, she has no idea that she doesn't have self-awareness.

00:41:52.720 I think she thinks of these things as like items you almost pluck from a shelf.

00:41:56.480 Well, I need some intentionality today.

00:41:58.480 Authenticity.

00:41:58.840 I need some authenticity today.

00:42:00.700 I need some self-awareness today.

00:42:02.380 What's behind every founder is such an odd question.

00:42:04.800 It's like, what's inside every founder, right?

00:42:07.520 What is the thing that they have to...

00:42:09.740 That they feel they have to create or express, right?

00:42:13.580 What's behind this female founder?

00:42:15.280 It's so easy.

00:42:16.820 It's a beta royal.

00:42:18.400 Yeah.

00:42:18.680 That's what's behind this female founder.

00:42:20.640 That's what's propelling her forward.

00:42:22.160 Truly, this is what's true about her and her business.

00:42:27.460 They only have a nickel between them because he's a royal.

00:42:33.160 That's it.

00:42:34.700 She was doing fine as a D-list actress on Suits.

00:42:37.640 You know, she could pay her bills.

00:42:38.640 I'm sure she could pay her monthly rent in Toronto.

00:42:41.180 Fine.

00:42:41.980 But she was not living in Montecito with the mountain views and the huge mansion and the

00:42:48.200 garden the size of Madison Square Garden.

00:42:50.800 Right.

00:42:51.060 The reason they got that money from Netflix and Spotify is because he is the grandson

00:42:58.800 of the queen and son of the king, period.

00:43:01.880 But she wants us to listen to her like she's a founder.

00:43:05.500 Right.

00:43:05.900 Because she took all that money and launched her stupid ass lifestyle brand with jam.

00:43:11.240 With jam, that is inedible, truly.

00:43:15.040 And it's if you open when you open the jar, it's just like there's no center to it, which

00:43:21.620 I think is like it's the personification of the Meghan Markle brand.

00:43:24.880 Like there's no center.

00:43:26.620 Exactly.

00:43:27.720 Empty in the middle.

00:43:29.040 Nothing holding everything together.

00:43:30.980 It's just sort of is like nothing in the middle of the jam jar.

00:43:33.620 Well, like I mean, like a kind of like scent, like something that keeps the jelly gelled.

00:43:39.200 Right.

00:43:39.600 Like you don't it would be like me spilling a bit of this water.

00:43:42.640 It's that runny.

00:43:43.620 It's that.

00:43:43.960 So it's like and the packaging you were showing me is very cheap.

00:43:49.120 It's extremely cheap.

00:43:50.600 And she oh, and by the way, we're never supposed to see the children or talk about the children.

00:43:54.360 But we do talk about the children on the packaging.

00:43:57.420 Oh, oh, is that right?

00:43:58.580 Yes, we do.

00:43:59.300 We talk about that.

00:43:59.900 That's why you're not allowed to talk about them elsewhere.

00:44:01.220 We have to save it for the branding.

00:44:02.460 We have to save it for the branding.

00:44:04.480 And she talks about what she loves to do with her children, which is I don't even think

00:44:08.720 this woman sees her children.

00:44:09.660 How like how how much time do you think it took her to shoot those episodes?

00:44:15.340 Oh, I mean, a long, a long time for her.

00:44:17.540 Yeah, a long time.

00:44:18.620 She didn't bang that out in four hours like we did.

00:44:20.560 No way.

00:44:21.340 No way.

00:44:22.000 Because she also can she can't talk to anybody.

00:44:25.060 She can't.

00:44:25.880 It's all so stilted and everything has to be perfect.

00:44:30.020 You can see, you know, she gets upset when like that we were playing off of it.

00:44:34.320 But when like Daniel tasted the food and it was not time to taste the food.

00:44:39.120 And right cut his fingers like she doesn't like when things go wrong.

00:44:43.400 This is why she's such a bully.

00:44:45.100 And this is why I was trying to overplay like how important friendship is, because we all

00:44:49.500 know that her reputation is that she bullies women.

00:44:52.900 No one who spends time with her can stand her.

00:44:55.540 The only people she's getting on this podcast are people who kind of owe her one because she

00:45:00.200 used some of her royal money to seed their business so she could call herself altogether

00:45:04.880 a founder.

00:45:06.380 Here's one more where she's talking about her favorite title, Sat 31.

00:45:13.600 Title of mom, just like me.

00:45:15.620 Favorite title.

00:45:16.300 Love it.

00:45:16.680 I love being a mom.

00:45:17.520 Oh my gosh.

00:45:18.140 I love being a mom so much.

00:45:19.140 It's my favorite thing.

00:45:20.620 It is the thing where you're like, oh my gosh, I just need a break.

00:45:22.920 I just need a minute.

00:45:23.520 I just need a minute.

00:45:24.120 And the second that you step near the room, you go, oh, but where are they?

00:45:27.340 Let me just let me just let me scroll through pictures of the endlessly on my phone.

00:45:31.680 And then you just my husband's like, my love, can you just give yourself a minute?

00:45:36.260 Why don't you go work out?

00:45:37.360 Why don't you go take a bath?

00:45:38.420 I'm like, I know, but I just want to cuddle through it's the, it's the parenting paradigm

00:45:43.040 where it is so full on and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

00:45:49.720 Oh my God.

00:45:50.680 That is nauseating.

00:45:52.200 I don't believe her.

00:45:53.360 First of all, I don't believe her either.

00:45:55.260 What mother do you know who talks like that?

00:45:56.820 I mean, you're a mom.

00:45:57.800 Do you like, you're telling me you have three kids that when they were little, you were like,

00:46:02.040 oh yeah, please just be all over me every minute of the day.

00:46:04.480 And then when they left the room, I immediately had to go to my photo app and look at photos

00:46:09.060 of them until Doug came in, D I mean, and said, my love, please go take a bath.

00:46:15.560 Or go work out.

00:46:16.820 Do take care of yourself.

00:46:18.080 You don't spend enough time at all thinking about yourself, right?

00:46:21.800 Like, please, self-indulge, take self-care.

00:46:24.600 What she thinks mothers do.

00:46:26.420 And she goes, oh my God, I just love it.

00:46:28.780 First of all, mom is my, it's my most important title.

00:46:31.180 So why are we not looking at the credits, Megan, mother of two, instead of Megan,

00:46:36.760 Duchess of Sussex, never forget.

00:46:39.520 Right.

00:46:39.800 We are the Duchess of Sussex first and foremost.

00:46:42.140 Sussex now.

00:46:43.160 I'm Sussex now.

00:46:44.040 Parenting paradigm.

00:46:45.300 Also, who doesn't talk like that?

00:46:46.420 She's like, I think she meant the parenting dilemma.

00:46:50.020 That's what I think she meant.

00:46:50.800 She just like takes these garbage words that come out of like C-suite, like guidebooks,

00:46:56.540 and just like, just throws them at the wall.

00:46:58.260 Well, didn't she, I mean, like she's of course overly important and she refuses to drop that

00:47:03.160 Duchess thing.

00:47:03.780 That's everywhere.

00:47:04.540 She's very proud of that, even though she did absolutely nothing to earn it other than

00:47:07.540 marry the guy.

00:47:08.380 But she just came to New York and she was spotted at the Broadway play Gypsy and she had like

00:47:14.660 a motorcade.

00:47:16.120 She had multiple guards.

00:47:17.940 She went in there like she really was Princess Diana and made sure that got in the paper.

00:47:23.340 Of course, here, look at this, look at this motorcade.

00:47:25.320 Like she's still an active working royal.

00:47:28.200 Literally nobody would have bothered her.

00:47:29.920 We have stars far bigger than Meghan Markle coming into New York and going to Broadway.

00:47:36.980 Presidents go to Broadway without that kind of stuff.

00:47:40.560 And, you know, I was reading like Taylor Swift at most will have like a motorcade of two.

00:47:46.420 You know, people who are far, far and again, great environmentalist.

00:47:50.260 We've got four huge cars running just for hours on end so she can go backstage at a performance

00:47:57.280 of Gypsy.

00:47:57.740 She doesn't want to be noticed.

00:47:58.880 Right.

00:47:59.020 She just she wants her privacy.

00:48:00.380 No.

00:48:00.560 She's wearing a loud houndstooth floor length again.

00:48:03.340 Like, what are you doing?

00:48:04.520 And they ate at Polo Bar, which is a wonderful restaurant, but it is not someplace you go if

00:48:09.200 you don't want to be seen.

00:48:10.420 No.

00:48:10.660 And like one of the hardest reservations to get in the city.

00:48:13.260 So it's already a flex.

00:48:14.680 Or a founder.

00:48:15.520 Exactly.

00:48:16.020 Those are the two ways in.

00:48:17.100 Exactly.

00:48:17.540 I'm sure.

00:48:17.980 Yeah.

00:48:18.080 But that's also a flex.

00:48:19.300 She has to let everybody know.

00:48:20.560 First, she went to Polo Bar with friends.

00:48:22.660 I'd love to see the friends.

00:48:24.040 Who are the friends?

00:48:24.760 Yeah.

00:48:25.160 Because they're falling away by the minute.

00:48:26.900 Right?

00:48:27.240 Yeah.

00:48:27.540 Who are the friends?

00:48:28.360 And then she and we didn't see her with a friend at Broadway either.

00:48:31.380 I know they said that she was there with friends, but I didn't see pictures of them.

00:48:35.000 And some of the ones who I saw, like when she got married and they had it was maybe

00:48:39.300 her baby shower, I think.

00:48:40.680 Remember the big.

00:48:41.240 Oh, the big.

00:48:41.940 Where Gayle King went.

00:48:43.620 Serena.

00:48:44.280 Yeah.

00:48:44.580 And there was Taryn Toomey, who started The Class, which is an exercise program that

00:48:51.880 I used to do and enjoy.

00:48:54.260 But basically, I'm sorry, bootlickers.

00:48:56.380 It was all bootlickers who were going to be.

00:48:58.740 And that's what this woman who she had on episode two was too.

00:49:02.580 Like she was there.

00:49:04.020 She's picking these props who were there to tell the right stories about her that make

00:49:08.560 her look good and also say the right narratives.

00:49:11.140 Like this woman who was on episode two, this woman behind the Girls Who Code, Reshma Sojani,

00:49:17.340 ended the interview by talking about how she doesn't think we've advanced at all on women's

00:49:21.760 rights now.

00:49:22.300 And she's convinced she's going to die with fewer rights as a woman in America than she

00:49:26.480 was born with.

00:49:27.160 It was an obvious reference to Trump and Republicans.

00:49:30.360 Of course, no pushback because this is their worldview.

00:49:33.200 Even though she's in Montecito at her castle, she's and whiter than I am.

00:49:37.920 Right.

00:49:38.040 She's black and oppressed and so are the people on her podcast, even though they're founders.

00:49:42.160 Even though they're founders and never forget, Megan was the most oppressed within the royal

00:49:45.180 family and had to expel herself from the entire continent just to find some personal

00:49:49.960 liberation and self-actualization.

00:49:51.560 But she's got to use that label of the family she hates so much that are disgusting viral

00:49:55.120 racists.

00:49:56.140 That almost made her commit suicide.

00:49:57.800 Yeah.

00:49:58.980 I think we've we've summed it up.

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00:51:17.720 Before we leave the wonderful world of people's podcasts, Michelle Obama is still at it.

00:51:22.560 Still at it.

00:51:23.620 And in this particular soundbite, she's got thoughts on relationships.

00:51:29.820 Listen here.

00:51:31.280 Relationships are long and there are also ebbs and flows, right?

00:51:35.040 So I think sometimes people who date don't realize that, you know, in long-term relationships,

00:51:40.620 you're going to have deep, deep dips and you're going to have-

00:51:44.740 You're going to have a bad year.

00:51:45.720 You're going to have a bad-

00:51:46.280 I tell people and folks think that this is harsh.

00:51:49.380 It's like, you're going to have a bad decade.

00:51:51.220 Yeah.

00:51:51.380 You know, I mean, I've been married to my husband for 30 plus years.

00:51:55.680 I mean, the truth is, if you add it all up, even the year-

00:51:58.800 Yeah.

00:51:59.640 If the odds were you're going to be married to your partner for 50 years and 10 of those

00:52:04.980 years could be bad, you know, that's-

00:52:08.540 You'd sign up for it.

00:52:09.460 You'd sign up for it.

00:52:10.360 You'd sign up for it.

00:52:10.960 You know, and that's really how it works out.

00:52:13.940 Is it, Michelle?

00:52:15.720 It's not.

00:52:16.600 I've been married for 17 and a half years and not one was bad.

00:52:20.920 I think she and he married the wrong people.

00:52:24.660 I think you're 100% right.

00:52:26.400 This is only her third episode.

00:52:28.340 I can't think of anybody I would go to for advice less than Michelle Obama.

00:52:34.020 She really doesn't know what she's talking about.

00:52:35.900 First of all, she loves to tell us she hated Barack for a good decade.

00:52:39.120 Yes.

00:52:39.620 Okay.

00:52:40.060 Please teach me how to have a successful relationship-

00:52:43.020 Right.

00:52:43.200 ...with someone that you clearly respect and admire.

00:52:45.980 Every time she's on the air, it's like, I'm dragging this ball of dead weight behind

00:52:50.880 me.

00:52:51.080 His name?

00:52:51.660 Barack Obama.

00:52:53.420 He's bringing me down.

00:52:55.080 I'm trying to elevate myself with, like, these things on my head.

00:52:58.020 He looks like Mickey Mouse.

00:52:59.240 It's so weird.

00:52:59.800 Like, the two ears up there.

00:53:01.080 These two big balls on the left and the right of her head.

00:53:03.300 Like, what kind of midlife crisis is she in the throes of right now?

00:53:07.520 No.

00:53:07.920 She's constantly-

00:53:08.520 You see the other one where she had the three balls on the back of her head?

00:53:12.860 And I think it was Benny Johnson was calling it her stegosaurus cut.

00:53:16.820 That's what it looks like.

00:53:17.940 Like, the back of a stegosaurus.

00:53:19.100 I think that her- Do you remember Meghan McCain used to go on The View with those?

00:53:25.140 Yeah.

00:53:25.840 And everybody's theory was that her styling team, like her glam squad, must be working

00:53:30.080 out some animus towards her.

00:53:32.100 Because, like, anyone else would be like, no, no, no, not for today.

00:53:35.700 Not a good idea.

00:53:36.540 And she's also Michelle- So she's constantly, like, hitting that wound of, like, are we divorcing?

00:53:42.860 Don't be gossiping about us.

00:53:45.120 You know, I'm just trying to be an independent woman over here.

00:53:47.000 I hate my husband, but I love my husband.

00:53:49.700 But, you know, when she's not doing that-

00:53:52.620 So her brother is her podcast co-host.

00:53:54.700 She's constantly berating him.

00:53:56.800 Like, every episode, you didn't tell me you were having marital problems.

00:54:00.640 Like, he has to explain to her a million freaking times, hey, I was trying to work out my marriage.

00:54:06.140 And if they did work out and I told you what the problems were, you would hold a grudge

00:54:10.100 against my wife for the rest of your days.

00:54:12.040 Which is real.

00:54:13.080 We all know it.

00:54:13.540 We all know.

00:54:14.400 Nobody holds a grudge like Michelle Obama.

00:54:16.060 It's amazing.

00:54:17.020 Every word she says about Barack Obama is negative.

00:54:19.620 I can't think of her sitting there just waxing poetic about him, complimenting, he's brilliant,

00:54:26.300 he's a great dad, he was the greatest president, whatever a normal wife of Barack Obama would

00:54:31.760 say.

00:54:32.440 Every time she opines, it's something that reflects poorly on him, how he's insensitive,

00:54:37.840 how he's not a talker, how he doesn't know how to relate to people, he doesn't keep the

00:54:41.860 same schedule as she does.

00:54:42.940 And now we're talking about that you can have a bad decade in a marriage.

00:54:48.220 I think that's a very unhealthy position to take or to advise other people to gut it out

00:54:54.240 for 10 years of misery.

00:54:55.940 I mean, first of all, what that would do to you physically alone, I would never want to

00:54:59.640 sign up for that.

00:55:00.300 And secondly, does she not realize that by talking shit about her partner of decades,

00:55:05.740 first black president of the United States, she's talking shit about herself.

00:55:10.160 Lady, you chose him.

00:55:11.680 Yeah.

00:55:12.280 And we would never know who you are if it hadn't been for him.

00:55:16.340 Exactly.

00:55:17.020 Like, I'm sure she would say the reverse.

00:55:18.700 He would never have been president if it hadn't been for her.

00:55:21.000 Like, she was the inspo.

00:55:22.220 She was the strength and the force behind the man.

00:55:24.980 But, you know, he was very young.

00:55:26.640 We just actually saw a video of him speaking on the campus of Harvard Law School in favor

00:55:31.220 of, like, more black professors and so on.

00:55:33.260 He still had the Barack Obama orator skills.

00:55:36.640 Like, he was obviously a star in the making from a very young age.

00:55:39.940 Very young age.

00:55:40.780 I'm sure she thinks it's her, but I think it actually was him.

00:55:44.020 And some of his ex-girlfriends talk about how he made a choice to align with, like,

00:55:49.160 this strong black woman as opposed to the white women he'd been dating.

00:55:53.820 And he's half white, too.

00:55:55.320 Yep, yep.

00:55:55.600 Right?

00:55:55.840 And so, like, to get him the street cred he needed with Chicago voters where he started.

00:56:01.000 And she was it.

00:56:02.540 And yet now she's doing a podcast, which we are only listening to.

00:56:07.260 By the way, we're not listening to it.

00:56:08.580 Right.

00:56:08.840 Because she's former first lady.

00:56:10.380 Right.

00:56:10.700 That's the no one listens to a former lawyer from I think it was Jenner and Block do a

00:56:14.780 podcast on with her brother on her thoughts on relationships.

00:56:18.680 We're doing it because he made you first lady.

00:56:21.160 But she does not have a kind word for him.

00:56:23.820 He made her famous.

00:56:25.620 And aside from the lawyer, didn't she get like didn't Valerie Jarrett give Michelle Obama

00:56:32.040 like a no show administrative job at a Chicago hospital like 600K a year while they were all

00:56:37.940 getting ready?

00:56:38.540 They were all grooming Barack to be president, right?

00:56:41.140 That young of an age, the Chicago political apparatus knew this guy could go to the White

00:56:46.680 House, right?

00:56:47.440 So they were like, let's take care of him and let's take care of the wife and like, let's

00:56:51.180 make sure, you know, everything's seamless.

00:56:53.320 I also really do think the root of her rage is that he is a natural star.

00:56:58.380 He was born with many gifts that through self-esteem and great education, he allowed himself to

00:57:05.640 cultivate.

00:57:06.360 He allowed himself to achieve greatness.

00:57:09.000 She grinds it out.

00:57:11.800 She's grinding it out on this podcast.

00:57:13.480 You listen to this podcast.

00:57:14.420 You're like, why am I listening to this woman bitch and moan and complain?

00:57:17.980 I've got better things to do with my free time.

00:57:20.020 And you know what else is very clear?

00:57:22.220 She has a great speech writer.

00:57:23.980 Yes.

00:57:24.420 She does not have the gift of the spoken word that she's led us to believe she has in these

00:57:31.260 speeches.

00:57:31.860 She can deliver it.

00:57:33.180 She clearly is not writing them.

00:57:34.720 She can deliver it.

00:57:35.480 And you know what?

00:57:36.000 What else?

00:57:36.340 So Barack, I think, I think he got his oratorical skills from the churches.

00:57:42.580 You know, he gets a lot of that.

00:57:44.900 Yeah, that cadence and that way of bringing a crowd up and then taking them down.

00:57:48.660 She, I think, prior to Harvey in the clink, I think he was hooking her up with like the

00:57:55.160 Meryl Streep's or her acting coach or whoever and getting her really like, you know, up there

00:58:01.520 at that level.

00:58:02.780 But you're absolutely right because whatever charisma she's able to display at like a DNC

00:58:07.920 speech, she can't do it in the confines of it.

00:58:10.480 Or even, I listen to you, Maureen.

00:58:11.960 Long before I ever saw you in person or spoke to you, I was reading you.

00:58:17.680 And one of the things that made me fall in love with you just on paper is just how witty you are.

00:58:22.300 And I love the acerbic pen, you know, against the right people.

00:58:26.340 And you're very smart.

00:58:27.500 And I've said this to my audience about you when you're not here.

00:58:29.700 It's just like you always say something different.

00:58:31.580 You don't comment any story with the same talking points that we hear everywhere else.

00:58:35.940 And then I meet you in person exactly the same.

00:58:38.600 Everybody listens to you.

00:58:39.420 Even on the show, you say things.

00:58:40.980 Even on your T's for the nerve, like I will be studying it like the collapse of the Roman

00:58:45.080 Empire or whatever it was.

00:58:46.560 That's you.

00:58:47.140 You can see it's the same person who is writing and speaking.

00:58:49.580 And it's exactly the opposite with her because she's a phony.

00:58:52.720 Well, thank you for those kind words.

00:58:54.280 And yes, I always want to come at something from a different angle, just like you do.

00:58:58.060 And it's not like it's that hard for me.

00:58:59.880 It's just like I get tired of hearing the same people parrot the same talking points or the

00:59:05.380 same observations when I'm thinking differently.

00:59:07.960 And instead of going, I should shut that off because like I think differently, I want to

00:59:13.780 express that because I think and suspect that more people than not feel the way I do.

00:59:19.120 They just can't say it because now it's not the thing you say.

00:59:22.720 And because they don't have the nerve.

00:59:24.560 Exactly.

00:59:24.800 But that's with Michelle Obama.

00:59:28.800 That's it.

00:59:29.400 There is not an original thought rattling around in that head.

00:59:33.460 She's having conversations that like tweenagers have.

00:59:36.440 It's so boring.

00:59:37.440 Nobody's watching it.

00:59:38.260 It's so boring.

00:59:38.900 The only person who has fewer watchers and listeners is Chuck Todd and the Chuck Todd cast,

00:59:43.500 which I think might be up to like maybe he's got 2000 now.

00:59:46.200 I don't know.

00:59:46.460 We haven't checked in a while.

00:59:47.280 But, you know, big splash in The New York Times.

00:59:50.500 That day we looked, he had 1400 subscribers.

00:59:53.080 It was very sad.

00:59:55.180 I mean, he hosts Meet the Press, this guy.

00:59:57.940 Okay.

00:59:58.660 So speaking of women who think they're all that in a biscuit, I haven't gotten you to

01:00:04.060 weigh in on our newest astronauts and their accomplishment.

01:00:09.960 Yeah.

01:00:10.920 The latest on these ladies is Martha Stewart.

01:00:14.860 God bless Martha Stewart.

01:00:16.540 Decided to weigh in.

01:00:18.380 She posted something online.

01:00:20.460 Is it a site, you guys?

01:00:21.480 Or I can't remember.

01:00:24.600 There is.

01:00:25.360 Okay.

01:00:25.560 There is sound.

01:00:26.140 She posted something online.

01:00:27.200 It was basically like, remember this?

01:00:29.860 Because she went up in a flight that achieved zero gravity, which is all they did.

01:00:35.340 And by the way, she was up there for 30 minutes, not three.

01:00:39.540 Here's some.

01:00:40.180 I boarded a Boeing 727 aircraft called GeForce One and experienced what astronauts feel when

01:00:47.620 they reach zero gravity.

01:00:48.860 Okay.

01:00:54.860 Okay.

01:00:55.580 Cool.

01:00:57.840 But here's the caption of what she wrote.

01:01:03.380 She wrote.

01:01:05.380 Martha Stewart, in case you spaced out, in 2007, Martha has always been ahead of her game.

01:01:12.220 This was tweeted out underneath her Twitter account, which has got many millions in the

01:01:16.060 followers.

01:01:16.820 It's a complete troll because everyone's trolling them now.

01:01:20.900 And I've got to start with this.

01:01:22.880 We played it the other day, but I'd love to hear your response because Gail King is getting

01:01:27.320 very annoyed with the people who don't realize, number one, she's an astronaut.

01:01:33.260 And number two, she is inspirational.

01:01:35.960 Watch.

01:01:36.440 Please don't call it a ride.

01:01:39.020 That is not a frigging ride.

01:01:40.120 Whenever a man goes up, you have never said to an astronaut, boy, what a ride.

01:01:44.960 You know, we duplicated the same trajectory that Alan Shepard did back in the day, pretty

01:01:49.660 much.

01:01:50.560 No one called that a ride.

01:01:51.940 It was called a flight.

01:01:53.060 It was called a journey because a ride implies that it's something frivolous or something

01:01:58.040 that's lighthearted.

01:01:58.860 There was nothing frivolous about what we did and the machine that we were on and what it

01:02:05.740 took for the people to get that machine up and running.

01:02:08.380 It looks like a nipple, but okay.

01:02:09.580 Get us back down safely.

01:02:11.200 So, you know, I'm very disappointed and very saddened by it.

01:02:14.280 And I also say this, the what it's doing to inspire other women and young girls, please

01:02:19.920 don't ignore that.

01:02:21.840 I've had so many women and young girls reach out to me and men too, by the way, men too.

01:02:26.780 Everyone.

01:02:27.080 Wow.

01:02:27.660 I never thought I could do that, but I see you doing it at this stage of my life.

01:02:31.000 Who would have thunk it?

01:02:31.880 Not me.

01:02:32.340 And how inspired they are.

01:02:35.900 Sure.

01:02:36.720 Everyone now thinks that they can go up in Jeff Bezos's nipple shaped spacecraft because

01:02:41.380 Gail did it.

01:02:43.260 It's still not going to make her anything less than Oprah's best friend.

01:02:46.540 Number one.

01:02:47.740 Number two journeys.

01:02:49.680 It's not a ride.

01:02:50.680 It's a journey.

01:02:51.900 I mean, I thought journey was also now a diminution of sorts.

01:02:55.160 Like, isn't journey something we apply to the new season of The Bachelor?

01:02:59.140 It's like, it's a journey.

01:03:00.060 Self-help.

01:03:00.400 Third, my favorite thing is, so her, her outrage is in direct disproportion to actual

01:03:09.060 space flight, right?

01:03:10.120 Which this is not, this is like a vanity project.

01:03:12.620 And you know, it's bad when other celebrities come out and mock you like that almost celebrity

01:03:17.900 on celebrity violence almost never happens, but we're witnessing it right now.

01:03:21.240 So she goes, she, I think she was talking to entertainment tonight on the red carpet and

01:03:27.000 she, you know, clapping back at her trolls and critics.

01:03:30.240 She says, I mean, the unmitigated call, Megan, she goes, when you go to space, when you take

01:03:36.340 that, then you come back and you talk to me about it.

01:03:38.520 You tell me the magnitude of it.

01:03:40.140 Once you, once you, me, the little people like, oh, anybody can do this?

01:03:43.600 All you have to do is be wealthy or famous enough to befriend Jeff Bezos and his sex doll

01:03:49.300 blow up fiance.

01:03:51.420 Make sure that when you go up there, you can have full glam that Gail's wig alleged is a

01:03:57.700 fixed, that the fake eyelashes aren't falling off in zero gravity.

01:04:02.440 That the enormously enhanced boobs don't float off on their own.

01:04:05.680 Don't float off on their own that, uh, Katy Perry, I read, spent more time looking at the

01:04:11.980 camera with her daisy for her daughter than outside at the moon.

01:04:15.920 Would you please stop it?

01:04:16.560 There was nothing frivolous about this flight, this mission, this journey.

01:04:19.420 Okay, Maureen, nothing.

01:04:20.960 Well, what about when, uh, was it Lauren Sanchez?

01:04:24.120 They were, they were recording themselves going girl power girl.

01:04:26.920 Like don't make me be ashamed of my gender.

01:04:29.680 Okay.

01:04:29.920 So cringe, uh, going, oh my God, you guys look, we're seeing the moon.

01:04:33.400 Like, guess what?

01:04:34.380 We all see the moon just fine down here.

01:04:36.960 Have you seen my eyes?

01:04:38.720 Great.

01:04:39.340 You've done it.

01:04:40.260 I'm so special.

01:04:41.120 Wait, we have some of that.

01:04:42.040 Let's watch that.

01:04:44.040 Got it.

01:04:47.440 This is not frivolous.

01:04:48.700 One, two, three.

01:04:49.940 Take up space.

01:04:53.260 This is just what Alan Shepard did.

01:04:56.340 Katy Perry staring at the camera.

01:04:59.160 I got you, Flynn.

01:05:00.420 Gotcha.

01:05:02.580 Proud of you.

01:05:03.400 Stuffed animals.

01:05:04.420 You guys, I have to tell you, look at the moon.

01:05:08.520 That's amazing.

01:05:10.720 Wow.

01:05:11.300 Look at the blue line.

01:05:12.400 Oh my God.

01:05:14.260 Blue line.

01:05:15.980 The butterfly.

01:05:17.200 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:05:19.040 That's amazing.

01:05:22.220 Did Katy Perry ever leave the lens?

01:05:24.380 I don't think so.

01:05:25.360 She's really trying to move tickets, which is not happening.

01:05:28.800 It's just like, it's like, this is like end times kind of like, you know, the rich and

01:05:36.640 the famous going up on a joy ride into space.

01:05:39.200 It's like space colonization is a really serious thing.

01:05:42.080 You know, like it's the future of humanity.

01:05:44.920 Like every visionary will tell you that.

01:05:46.880 Every futurist will tell you that.

01:05:48.460 And these three are up there taking selfies and spouting inanities such as take up space.

01:05:54.900 Something Meghan Markle would say, take up space, but you're in outer space.

01:05:57.480 Like, like comparing yourself to Alan Shepard, comparing yourself to heroes who, when they

01:06:01.740 first went into space, weren't sure they were going to like just disintegrate up there.

01:06:05.600 No, no.

01:06:06.620 That's the thing.

01:06:07.140 They actually use the A word astronaut.

01:06:09.260 You're not an astronaut.

01:06:10.280 You're not an astronaut.

01:06:11.200 You're not an astronaut.

01:06:12.000 You cannot be anything you want.

01:06:13.580 No.

01:06:13.900 Despite what this culture tells you.

01:06:15.680 Here's part of what you were talking about with Gayle King responding to the haters.

01:06:20.400 It's short.

01:06:20.860 Have you been, if you've been, and you still feel that way after you come back, please

01:06:28.780 let's have a conversation.

01:06:31.120 Have you been, so you can't criticize her unless you have been to space for three minutes.

01:06:36.820 It's not like going to Epcot Center.

01:06:38.520 Have you been to Epcot Center?

01:06:39.820 Give me your Yelp review.

01:06:41.160 I did space now.

01:06:41.980 Okay.

01:06:42.520 So have I.

01:06:43.540 Should we get some stripes?

01:06:44.760 Should we get some like laurels for what the, I mean, I can't.

01:06:48.080 I know.

01:06:48.600 Like you can't understand the profundity of what I went through.

01:06:51.840 But meanwhile, it's like, no one really would have been mocking you if you hadn't been so

01:06:55.460 foolish in your behavior up there, your outfit, you playing up your training of two days, learning

01:07:01.360 how to put, buckle your seatbelt literally and get in and out of the craft.

01:07:04.480 And then your self-talk when you got back saying things like, I'm so proud of me and

01:07:10.120 I'm an inspiration.

01:07:11.280 I've inspired people.

01:07:12.480 Damn it.

01:07:13.060 Men and women.

01:07:14.240 That's the stuff that leads us to, to mock them.

01:07:16.880 And she's on the air like, these are my friends.

01:07:18.940 My friends are making fun of me.

01:07:20.680 Well, what does that tell you, Gail?

01:07:22.720 Exactly.

01:07:23.340 What does that tell you?

01:07:24.580 And are they your friends?

01:07:26.140 And it doesn't help your sinking morning show, which is like circling the drain.

01:07:31.620 Why are there no questions, by the way, as to how an alleged journalist can be so close

01:07:36.940 with one of our foremost billionaires and take a joy ride into space and not ask any critical

01:07:43.380 questions or do this in any way that resembles something approaching journalism?

01:07:47.780 Something other than a vanity project.

01:07:49.460 Yeah.

01:07:49.740 So she, speaking of that morning show, one of the reasons it's failing is because they have

01:07:53.740 exchanges like this.

01:07:54.620 They had on the actual first black female astronaut, Dr. May Jemisin.

01:08:00.040 It didn't go well.

01:08:01.320 Watch.

01:08:01.600 You heard Amanda Nguyen tell me in the interview that she's conducting science experiments on

01:08:06.780 this voyage, which I don't think a lot of people knew.

01:08:09.120 They thought it was just six women going up into space for a joy ride.

01:08:11.960 Wait, what do you mean just six women?

01:08:13.400 Well, that's what I mean.

01:08:14.500 That was the criticism.

01:08:15.580 Six women.

01:08:16.020 That's right.

01:08:16.680 Right.

01:08:16.940 Right.

01:08:17.340 Right.

01:08:17.800 But he's speaking to the perspective and some of the narratives that are out there that

01:08:22.640 I was hoping to correct with this interview.

01:08:24.420 And I'm glad that you're here to help me correct that narrative.

01:08:26.920 Um, so explain to our audience why even a trip like this one, all the trips that we

01:08:33.080 take in the space benefit mankind.

01:08:36.120 Uh, so it benefits humankind and I'm going to keep correcting the mankind and the man made

01:08:41.940 and the man missions, because this is exactly what this mission is about is expanding the

01:08:48.020 perspective of who does space.

01:08:51.340 Oh my God.

01:08:53.140 Women have been in space.

01:08:54.880 Men have been in space.

01:08:55.840 Dogs have been in space.

01:08:57.360 Monkeys.

01:08:57.860 Monkeys have been in space.

01:08:59.500 Much of this earthbound.

01:09:01.380 William Shatner.

01:09:02.320 William Shatner.

01:09:03.260 William Shatner has been to space.

01:09:05.000 I think he made less of a deal.

01:09:06.860 Yeah.

01:09:07.200 Out of it.

01:09:07.680 Like these people.

01:09:07.980 Martha Stewart's been in space.

01:09:08.980 She's been to space.

01:09:10.420 Like we're not like, and I also thought like, I think Gail King is having some weird

01:09:15.220 crisis because did you see those images of her before she got on?

01:09:18.620 And she was so nervous.

01:09:19.900 She was like in tears.

01:09:20.860 That's why Oprah was so proud of her because she conquered her fear of flying.

01:09:23.980 Because this is the same thing as flying, I guess.

01:09:26.340 Fear of flying is when you're on the plane and it's making all sorts of weird motions

01:09:30.200 and quick drops and you're scared shitless that your plane's going to fall out of the

01:09:33.700 sky as does happen.

01:09:35.100 In Jeff Bezos, the billionaire's gazillion dollar craft that multiple people have gone

01:09:41.240 up and down in with zero incident.

01:09:43.160 I have to say, even I would not be that afraid.

01:09:45.120 I'd be like, okay.

01:09:45.760 And I have a fear of flying.

01:09:47.100 Really?

01:09:47.500 Yeah.

01:09:47.820 But I would be less afraid in Jeff Bezos.

01:09:49.920 Same way as like you're far less afraid when you're on the 747, you know, Boeing airliner

01:09:55.280 than you are when you're on the tiny flights.

01:09:57.680 Oh yeah.

01:09:58.100 The little puddle jumpers or, you know, sometimes we'll fly private if whatever, you know, I

01:10:02.220 don't know the circumstances.

01:10:03.060 It's not our norm, like Bernie and AOC.

01:10:05.760 Right.

01:10:06.240 Those flights scare me.

01:10:07.680 They genuinely scare me.

01:10:08.880 Every time I'm on one, I'm like, I'm never doing this again.

01:10:11.100 Really?

01:10:11.700 Anyway, but on Jeff Bezos' craft, that's really not, it's going up and it's coming right

01:10:16.460 back down.

01:10:17.380 But you're still in space and like, it's still like a new form of, I always, I often think

01:10:21.420 of like people who started traveling by airplane almost as soon as commercial aviation

01:10:25.620 was invented.

01:10:26.220 That's ballsy.

01:10:26.760 That's ballsy, right?

01:10:27.980 And I think this is kind of ballsy.

01:10:29.380 And I kind of think the demeanor and the behavior of these ridiculous people, notwithstanding,

01:10:34.580 like I thought it was, I'm like, I'm sure Oprah got that invite to go up with Gail because

01:10:38.080 they're like this.

01:10:38.800 And Oprah said, no.

01:10:39.920 Well, you know, she was there.

01:10:41.020 She was on the ground.

01:10:42.120 With the Kardashians.

01:10:43.500 Right.

01:10:44.020 With the Kardashians.

01:10:45.280 Nothing frivolous.

01:10:45.980 Nothing.

01:10:46.300 Nothing frivolous about this.

01:10:47.760 No.

01:10:48.060 But I also suspect the Kris Jenner said no.

01:10:51.040 I think there were lesser tier known people on that flight.

01:10:56.060 And I often also wonder, like, so Katy Perry's in this cohort.

01:11:00.180 Like, what do she and Orlando Bloom have in common with Jeff Bezos?

01:11:04.880 Like, what are those four getting up to together that has forged such tight knit?

01:11:10.660 Because like, it can't be intellect.

01:11:12.740 Right.

01:11:13.400 Right.

01:11:14.000 Well, we know.

01:11:14.500 I mean, isn't Lauren Sanchez friends with the Kardashians?

01:11:17.040 So that makes sense to me.

01:11:18.500 That makes sense to me.

01:11:19.540 That's who she, but again, she's choosing to befriend.

01:11:22.460 Yeah.

01:11:22.880 Yeah.

01:11:23.440 I don't know.

01:11:24.300 That's an interesting question about what the connections are between these women.

01:11:26.980 And then you had like the also rands of like somebody who actually does have some space

01:11:31.300 connection.

01:11:31.720 There was that woman.

01:11:32.840 And then there was somebody else who was like more serious person.

01:11:35.520 But we don't know their names because who cares, right?

01:11:37.140 No, we don't.

01:11:38.380 Lauren Sanchez and Gail and Katie.

01:11:41.780 Who stole all the airtime and then kissed the ground when he came back.

01:11:43.980 Like they had just gotten off, like, you know, man, fly to the challenger.

01:11:47.460 Yeah.

01:11:47.740 Yeah.

01:11:48.400 Okay.

01:11:48.920 Moving on from them for now.

01:11:50.700 I mentioned AOC and Bernie.

01:11:51.960 We've got to spend a minute on them.

01:11:53.200 They're literally on a stop the oligarchy tour.

01:11:55.200 And it turns out the free beacon reporting and others now confirming they're taking a private

01:12:00.680 jet from place to place.

01:12:01.820 It broke first within the, I think it was the post showing AOC was flying first class on

01:12:06.440 one of the legs.

01:12:07.100 I guess that was because she was leaving Bernie and the jet, but they have spent, he spent,

01:12:12.020 I guess it now comes up over a couple million dollars from his campaign in 2020 on private

01:12:17.040 jets and they spent like $221,000 on private jets going from place to place to bash the

01:12:24.440 rich Maureen.

01:12:25.720 It's perfect.

01:12:27.480 I love it.

01:12:28.420 I love the continued implosion, the hypocrisies, uh, you know, apparently democracy is dying,

01:12:35.300 but God damn it.

01:12:37.700 AOC and Bernie are going to fly private or first class.

01:12:42.380 Don't you dare put them back in coach with the rest of us.

01:12:45.520 I love these sort of self-appointed for, so I also just love that like people are talking about

01:12:50.260 AOC is the future of the democratic party.

01:12:52.120 I really think it would have happened by now.

01:12:53.580 Like her message is very, it's, it's very specific.

01:12:57.580 It's very niche.

01:12:58.340 It's not realistic.

01:12:59.580 That's what James Carville saying.

01:13:00.760 He's like, we tried the Bernie thing twice and failed.

01:13:03.120 Yeah, it's not, it's not going to work.

01:13:05.020 And then people see this and everybody who pays the slightest bit of attention knows

01:13:09.340 that AOC's origin story is completely false.

01:13:11.680 She is a very well-off girl from like Westchester, New York, had a great education.

01:13:18.000 This is the kind of stuff, again, like when people can barely make their weekly grocery

01:13:23.020 runs without trying to rob Peter to pay Paul in their own bank accounts, you see this stuff

01:13:29.320 and you immediately tune out.

01:13:31.080 I cannot believe a word you're saying.

01:13:33.200 You get already rich, multimillionaire celebrities like Gayle King saying, I'm inspirational.

01:13:38.260 I am inspir, well, you know what?

01:13:40.100 They don't feel inspired by you.

01:13:41.480 They're worried about paying their bills.

01:13:42.440 If you have to tell people that you're inspirational, you're not.

01:13:44.400 You're not inspirational.

01:13:45.320 Okay.

01:13:45.680 So that's her.

01:13:46.900 And then you've got AOC and Bernie bashing the rich as they clearly are them.

01:13:51.520 And yes, you're right.

01:13:53.280 Like actual people are looking at this and recoiling.

01:13:55.980 But AOC's fake origin story came up recently.

01:13:59.400 I got this from Adam Carolla on whose show I went recently and he played the soundbite and

01:14:03.300 my jaw dropped because listen to her talking about her own bio.

01:14:07.140 Because when the system is stacked against you, it's hard to feel like anything you do matters.

01:14:15.280 It's hard to feel like we matter in this democracy.

01:14:19.220 And it is easy to give in to the despair.

01:14:23.180 And I can tell you, I know that when I was waitressing and struggling to put food on the

01:14:28.420 table for a while there, I did.

01:14:31.840 I tried to stop caring.

01:14:34.920 I tried to just keep my head down, work my shifts and accept that this is just how things

01:14:41.060 are.

01:14:41.460 But that is no way to live, Arizona.

01:14:46.760 It's no way to live.

01:14:50.340 What I do know is that we don't have to live like this.

01:14:55.520 And in fact, we cannot live like this anymore.

01:15:01.500 Okay.

01:15:02.880 AOC grew up in Westchester.

01:15:05.800 As you point out, she attended Boston University where she double majored in international relations

01:15:11.120 and economics and graduated with honors.

01:15:14.660 She then moved back to the Bronx, reading here from Wikipedia, became an activist and

01:15:18.680 worked as a waitress and a bartender.

01:15:20.280 So she wants us to believe that after she got her degree in honors, double major at Boston

01:15:25.360 University, she struggled to put food on the table, leaving open the only question of whether

01:15:30.760 she meant she actually physically struggled to put the food on the table as a waitress.

01:15:34.300 Great point.

01:15:35.020 Or whether she actually wants us to believe she couldn't eat, notwithstanding her well-off

01:15:41.100 background.

01:15:41.540 And somehow she dug up the tuition for BU, which I'm going to gather was probably 40,

01:15:46.680 50 grand a year.

01:15:47.860 Well, we never hear her talk about student loans, do we?

01:15:50.200 No.

01:15:50.760 So her parents clearly financed that four-year ride.

01:15:54.180 The only thing that really shocks me about that little clip you played is that she didn't

01:15:58.080 code switch into her working class Latina accent, which working people love nothing more

01:16:03.780 than when you pander to them.

01:16:04.860 And I also think this is such a toxic, bad message for people.

01:16:10.080 We live in a meritocracy.

01:16:11.440 It's what makes America great.

01:16:13.540 You can start from nothing and build your way up through dint of hard work, determination,

01:16:19.700 fair amount of luck.

01:16:20.860 But really, you can do or become anything you want.

01:16:24.820 And she's spouting the message that this country is stacked against you and that you are fated

01:16:32.380 to be nothing or to be less than the things to which you aspire.

01:16:37.180 I don't get why the Dems think that this is a winning message.

01:16:39.780 She talks about her time waitressing like she was poor and panhandling and was almost on

01:16:48.380 skid row.

01:16:49.520 A lot of us waitressed, a lot of us did blue-collar jobs when we were young and in our 20s like

01:16:55.180 she was.

01:16:55.680 That's what you do.

01:16:56.480 I was a telemarketer for like a year.

01:16:59.520 And by the way, I was amazing at it.

01:17:01.420 I really had a career there.

01:17:02.700 Was that where you were like, I could do broadcasts?

01:17:04.140 Yes.

01:17:04.620 I know.

01:17:05.020 I used a fake name.

01:17:06.280 That's what made it easy.

01:17:07.340 I called myself Rachel.

01:17:08.340 And I was really good.

01:17:10.320 I did it for a summer and then I kept it rolling for a while.

01:17:12.940 But I don't talk about it like I was in the dregs and almost didn't make it and couldn't

01:17:18.440 eat.

01:17:18.860 I could barely put food on the table.

01:17:20.560 I was poor.

01:17:21.920 I was putting myself through school.

01:17:23.920 My mom helped me with my, sadly, my dad's insurance money after he died with college.

01:17:28.040 But I paid for my own law school and I paid for part of my college.

01:17:31.120 And I don't talk about it like I was like this lowly person who could barely pay her bills.

01:17:36.460 Yes, I was very much in debt and I was doing a blue collar job to pay the bill.

01:17:40.500 Who cares?

01:17:41.320 Everybody's got that story.

01:17:42.600 Doesn't make you special.

01:17:44.360 In her mind, it makes her special because she that's the one thing that she that I think

01:17:48.680 that's the one part of her bio that she thinks gives her bona fides with the working class.

01:17:54.020 I waitress.

01:17:54.760 She makes it sound like she was in some hellhole dive bar.

01:17:57.680 It would be like you telling the telemarketer story like you're in a third world call center.

01:18:01.640 You know what I mean?

01:18:02.980 Like I worked retail like I don't it's not a badge of honor.

01:18:06.980 It's like what you do when you're a certain age and you have only certain you've no experience.

01:18:11.400 You've got only certain jobs open.

01:18:12.860 You take them.

01:18:13.540 That's it.

01:18:13.980 Literally, our 15 year old son has been working as a bus boy, which you're allowed to do.

01:18:19.860 And it's it would be like him who comes from an obviously a family of privilege going out

01:18:24.440 there and being like, I struggle to put food on the table as a bus boy when I was working

01:18:29.360 as a bus.

01:18:29.960 It's like, OK, but who do you think you're kidding?

01:18:33.320 I know it's good.

01:18:33.820 We love that he's working as a bus boy.

01:18:35.480 You know, I think it's teaching him a lot of important lessons, but he would never talk

01:18:39.140 about it like this.

01:18:39.820 And she should stop talking about it.

01:18:41.160 And Bernie should stop railing on the rich as he boards his private Bombardier, whatever

01:18:46.840 jet that talks about how it's got extra wide mid cabin and, you know, long leg seating,

01:18:54.660 leather seats and probably some flight attendant on board it to waiting on him hand and foot.

01:18:59.940 Please just stop it.

01:19:02.180 OK, got to keep going.

01:19:03.320 There's a lot to get to because we spent a lot of time on Megan was worth it.

01:19:08.340 I really want to talk about.

01:19:10.260 Oh, OK, I have to take a quick break.

01:19:11.840 And when we come back, we've got to talk about what happened in the Carmelo Anthony case yesterday,

01:19:15.260 where this is the guy, the 17 year old who's been accused of killing this Austin Metcalf,

01:19:20.500 another 17 year old.

01:19:21.860 He reportedly admitted it.

01:19:23.440 I mean, they called him alleged.

01:19:24.480 He said, it's not alleged.

01:19:25.320 I did it.

01:19:26.260 But he's reportedly getting ready to argue self-defense.

01:19:28.800 OK, that we all we knew all that.

01:19:30.440 Then his family spoke out at a presser yesterday, which, you know, if you listen to the AM update

01:19:35.040 that we offer every morning on our feed, 15 minutes or less, you'll learn all the news

01:19:38.240 of the day.

01:19:38.600 Um, but it was the most bizarre thing I think I've ever seen with this very strange family

01:19:45.660 representative who says a lot, I think, unfortunately, about the Anthony family.

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01:21:59.080 By the way, my team, my crack team telling me that AOC, according to the New York Post

01:22:03.480 at least, had at least $15,000 in student debt, which is but a small fraction of what

01:22:08.640 BU costs, while she was pushing for loan forgiveness.

01:22:12.460 Ah, okay.

01:22:13.800 Perfect.

01:22:14.360 That's right on brand.

01:22:15.320 Okay.

01:22:15.740 So this Carmelo Anthony case is extremely disturbing.

01:22:19.580 I outlaid a bit of the facts before we went to break.

01:22:22.280 But what's happening now is this is weirdly breaking down along racial lines because Carmelo

01:22:28.860 is black.

01:22:29.580 The kid he killed was white, Austin Metcalf.

01:22:32.740 Um, Austin Metcalf, 17, perfect GPA being recruited to play in various schools for college, like

01:22:39.560 a football star, MVP, Carmelo Anthony also said to be a good student, um, and possibly

01:22:45.780 also getting recruited to play in college and I think football.

01:22:50.100 And he shows up at this track meet and apparently decides to sit in Austin Metcalf's like area.

01:22:56.560 I guess they sit by teams and I don't know if they were playing on rival teams, but Austin

01:23:00.620 and Carmelo did not go to the same school.

01:23:03.420 And so I'm not sure if he was trying to provoke a fight or something, but he decided to go

01:23:06.660 sit in the tent that Austin and his twin brother and their team, like supporting friends were

01:23:12.580 under Austin Metcalf reportedly, this is from the police report and witnesses cited therein

01:23:17.260 told him to leave to get out of Austin seat.

01:23:19.880 And he, and he turned to him and said something to the effect of, you know, make me said like,

01:23:24.200 you know, if, if, if you lay hands on me, see what happens, something like that.

01:23:28.120 And, uh, as he was doing it, he was reaching into a bag and Austin Metcalf did put hands

01:23:34.860 on him and tried to make him get out of the seat.

01:23:37.860 And he stabbed him through the heart with a knife that he had in that bag.

01:23:41.340 It's absolute.

01:23:43.280 It's just a depraved act.

01:23:45.240 It's a depraved act.

01:23:46.920 I don't know what's wrong with the family he grew up in or with him.

01:23:51.140 His mother was there yesterday.

01:23:52.500 And interestingly was saying that this is a close family, that it's a two parent family,

01:23:58.060 that it's a God fearing family claiming he's a good boy.

01:24:02.160 Um, I don't know.

01:24:03.240 I saw pictures of him online with the gun and middle finger and trying to look like a

01:24:08.060 badass kind of tough guy.

01:24:11.300 So I'm not sure what this guy was going through, but there's no mystery who did this.

01:24:14.820 It was, it was him.

01:24:16.160 So they hold this presser.

01:24:18.020 And first of all, Maureen, they hire this guy who he's not their lawyer, as near as I

01:24:22.560 can understand.

01:24:23.060 There's a different guy who's a lawyer.

01:24:24.000 He's a minister, quote unquote, using that term generously, who's had a long list of trouble

01:24:30.460 with the law in his own right, including the fact that we read this in AM update, but he

01:24:37.420 was, um, convicted of causing serious bodily injury to a two year old child.

01:24:44.800 It was his girlfriend's son.

01:24:46.400 He was babysitting.

01:24:49.040 He called the girlfriend at 11 PM.

01:24:50.920 This is a spokesperson for the family called the girlfriend at 11 PM, told her to get home

01:24:55.640 now.

01:24:56.040 Didn't tell her why when she arrived, her child was unresponsive.

01:24:58.780 He told the girlfriend he'd been watching a movie and her son just fell off the couch.

01:25:03.300 He fell off and onto the carpet, but they brought him to the doctor, to the emergency room.

01:25:09.600 He wound up going to the ICU.

01:25:11.180 The doctor said, these are lies that the son had a subdural hemorrhage between the two

01:25:17.880 halves of his brain at the back of the brain.

01:25:20.540 He also had retinal hemorrhages in both eyes.

01:25:23.220 Quote, the severity of his injuries is not consistent with rolling off the couch.

01:25:27.460 The investigative officer reported the doctor saying without more adequate history of trauma,

01:25:32.420 complainant's injuries are more consistent with abusive head trauma and child physical

01:25:35.900 abuse.

01:25:36.520 This guy, again, still on the spokesperson, uh, the prosecutor read two quick, two statements

01:25:41.020 from him.

01:25:41.480 Dominique Alexander is his name.

01:25:43.100 He signed the first one.

01:25:44.880 He claimed the child had fallen off the couch.

01:25:46.260 The second, he admitted to shaking the child.

01:25:48.320 He was charged with a first degree felony.

01:25:51.560 And, um, that resulted in a conviction.

01:25:55.060 Then it went on from there.

01:25:56.440 He also faced assault charges against the girlfriend charged with one felony, one misdemeanor after

01:26:02.960 he allegedly shoved and attempted to strangle his girlfriend who accused him of pushing, choking

01:26:08.740 and headbutting her during several altercations.

01:26:10.520 Like so many women do.

01:26:12.900 She ultimately decided not to testify or participate in the case against him.

01:26:17.140 Uh, and therefore it went away.

01:26:19.000 So this is the man we're about to listen to.

01:26:21.180 So, you know, um, this is who the family has chosen to represent them to try to set the

01:26:27.180 record straight on this horrific crime.

01:26:30.400 And he went out there and the first thing he did was he saw Austin Metcalf's dad, Jeff,

01:26:35.500 had shown up to the presser whose first reaction after his son was murdered was to say,

01:26:44.120 I forgive him.

01:26:46.040 I forgive the kid who did this.

01:26:48.620 And he went to hear what they had to say at this presser.

01:26:51.020 And here's how Dominique Alexander, the man I just read you about, handled it.

01:26:57.300 What we've seen at the beginning of this press conference,

01:27:02.760 of the father being at this press conference, is a disrespect to the dignity of his son.

01:27:10.340 If that was disrespectful, it just shows you all the character who is not invited.

01:27:24.240 He knows that it's inappropriate to be near this family, but he did.

01:27:31.300 And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words.

01:27:36.880 Okay.

01:27:37.460 And what he has failed into is the political operatives that want to make this thing a political

01:27:47.600 thing of hate, yet bigotry, and yet racism.

01:27:53.080 We have conservative operatives that have been posting nonstop.

01:27:59.120 And he went on to say later that these political operatives are who led to the father being here,

01:28:07.460 political operatives motivating this family with hate.

01:28:12.160 And the father was thrown out.

01:28:15.680 The cops had to come.

01:28:17.500 He didn't want to leave.

01:28:18.260 He wanted to hear what they had to say.

01:28:19.340 Of course he did.

01:28:19.880 And they threw him out with cops.

01:28:22.120 That's despicable.

01:28:23.680 That man is despicable.

01:28:25.440 And then the family running out there trying to make themselves the victims, which is what they did.

01:28:30.580 The mother got up and gave a big sob story about how hard this has been for her, are missing the point entirely.

01:28:38.180 Nobody had more right to be at that press conference than Austin's father.

01:28:46.900 Okay.

01:28:47.400 You're holding a press conference.

01:28:50.900 First Amendment.

01:28:52.580 Anybody can be there.

01:28:53.960 I think.

01:28:54.740 Tell me if I'm wrong.

01:28:56.000 Secondly, this guy is a loss leader for this family who is doing themselves no favor talking on their own behalf.

01:29:02.420 He said in that presser, actions speak louder than words.

01:29:06.960 Well, sir, the guy you're defending stabbed a 17-year-old in the heart to death at a football game over a seat.

01:29:15.000 So, yeah, I guess actions do speak louder than words.

01:29:17.660 Keep talking.

01:29:18.640 Keep talking.

01:29:19.680 And that this family doesn't have the foresight to cut this guy loose after knowing what we know about the serious near fatal injuries to a small child.

01:29:28.300 Are you kidding me?

01:29:29.200 Yeah.

01:29:29.620 This is like the poor man's all sharp.

01:29:31.100 Yeah.

01:29:32.220 Right?

01:29:32.600 That's obviously what this is.

01:29:33.940 They obviously couldn't even get Al Sharpton.

01:29:35.880 Al Sharpton.

01:29:36.500 Oh, that tells you a lot, right?

01:29:37.500 Who will go to the opening of an envelope.

01:29:39.200 Oh, he'll run toward any racialized crime you've got.

01:29:42.160 Yeah.

01:29:42.480 So, obviously, he turned this one down.

01:29:44.120 That's my suspicion.

01:29:45.240 And they got this basement barrel version of the already rather low Al Sharpton to represent them, I guess.

01:29:53.200 And, look, it's not that I want to see the mother, either set of parents, get harassed here because it's the kids.

01:29:59.720 Right.

01:29:59.920 It's the kid who is accused of misbehaving.

01:30:03.180 But she needs to keep some perspective on what Austin Metcalfe's parents are going through.

01:30:09.540 So, that's where my sympathy lays.

01:30:12.040 Here she is, the mom of Carmelo Anthony.

01:30:14.540 In wake of this tragic incident, our family has been under attack.

01:30:21.300 Whatever you think what happened between Carmelo and the Metcalfe boys, my three younger children, my husband, and I didn't do anything to deserve to be threatened, harassed, and lied about.

01:30:35.780 The lies and false accusations that have been said about us, especially over the past week, has been overwhelming.

01:30:45.460 The lies and their amplification put my family in danger.

01:30:49.260 My husband had to take a leave of absence because he's afraid what may happen to our family.

01:30:57.220 His mental health is deteriorating day by day.

01:31:01.520 We have endured death threats.

01:31:04.040 My 13-year-old daughter is afraid to sleep in her own bedroom because she's fearful of what might happen to her.

01:31:16.880 I'm sorry, but that is as a result of what her son did.

01:31:22.660 The first thing out of her mouth should have been about the victim.

01:31:25.600 Really?

01:31:26.240 Really should have been?

01:31:27.620 I think the other thing that struck me about that statement she gave was it's passive language.

01:31:34.860 This tragic incident.

01:31:36.600 It's not a tragic incident.

01:31:38.040 It was an aggressive, fatal act taken by your son that took the life of another 17-year-old.

01:31:45.360 You have to, like, it's all about owning stuff in this culture.

01:31:49.580 Why can't you just own?

01:31:50.440 I'm sorry.

01:31:50.820 Also, don't they live in a gated community right now?

01:31:53.240 No, right now, yes.

01:31:54.660 So they have reportedly, according to the Daily Mail, moved into a $900,000 home where they're being allowed to stay by somebody in a gated community while they scream racism.

01:32:05.620 While they're waiting on $500,000 to become liquid from their GoFundMe or whatever?

01:32:09.440 Yes, and while their son, who the vast majority of defendants in Texas would be in jail without bond right now.

01:32:15.000 Oh, 100%.

01:32:15.460 But he's out on bond.

01:32:17.000 Got it lowered.

01:32:17.740 Some female judge lowered it and said, okay, I'll let him stay at home on house arrest in his million-dollar friend's home, I guess.

01:32:25.400 I don't think it's theirs.

01:32:27.000 And while they're screaming, we're all racists.

01:32:28.820 Because that guy speaks for them, that Dominic Alexander guy.

01:32:31.540 And he was out there.

01:32:33.700 Okay, the mom's talking about poor me, poor us.

01:32:35.740 And here's more of Alexander, who blamed everybody.

01:32:38.380 He blamed the weather.

01:32:39.600 The school should have canceled the track meet because of the weather.

01:32:42.160 They were under tarps.

01:32:43.380 He blamed Trump.

01:32:45.140 Here, listen to him in Sot 25.

01:32:46.140 Black people in America, while the current occupant sits at 1,600 Pennsylvania, black people in America don't have to pull the race card.

01:33:00.720 It's what we live as a reality every day.

01:33:05.200 It's what we have to teach our children.

01:33:08.000 We don't want to, but we have to.

01:33:11.120 We don't like to, but if we want to sleep at night, we got to.

01:33:19.380 I ain't pulling no race card.

01:33:21.320 I live it.

01:33:22.960 I'm reminded all the time that I'm a black man in America.

01:33:27.500 Oh, but he's not playing the race card.

01:33:29.020 If you look at that, say you have no context for what happened.

01:33:32.440 You just got off a plane from overseas and you're looking at that.

01:33:36.180 I would assume that that couple lost their child in a violent act perpetrated by a white kid.

01:33:44.640 That's what I would assume.

01:33:46.200 Me too.

01:33:47.200 The nerve of him to go out there and rail about racism in America.

01:33:51.820 What are you talking about?

01:33:53.040 There is no dispute.

01:33:54.660 There's no dispute that Carmelo Anthony stabbed Austin Metcalf in the heart with a knife while not being threatened with any sort of weapon himself.

01:34:06.760 The worst Austin Metcalf did from every report we've seen, I haven't seen a thing from Carmelo Anthony's side saying differently, was he laid hands on Austin Metcalf.

01:34:16.500 And the law of self-defense does not allow you to respond to non-lethal force with lethal force.

01:34:22.840 That's just the law in all 50 states.

01:34:24.780 If you pull a fist on me, I cannot pull a knife and plunge it into your heart.

01:34:29.340 That's not what the law of self-defense allows.

01:34:32.180 It has to be proportional.

01:34:33.020 Megan, do you think that were the roles reversed and Carmelo was the one stabbed in the heart fatally and Austin had survived and was charged with this crime, that he would get turfed out on house arrest with a much lower bail?

01:34:50.120 Oh, Al Sharpton, Ben Crump, they'd all be down there.

01:34:55.560 We'd be watching nonstop coverage of what a racist country we are.

01:34:59.800 They would turn.

01:35:00.280 They're already trying to turn Austin Metcalf with zero, zero, zero evidence into a white supremacist down there to try to turn the tables.

01:35:07.900 This guy, Carmelo Anthony, has raised half a million dollars in this Give, Send, Go account from people who have the most vicious anti-white comments you ever want to read on the Internet, just somehow presuming it must have been the fault of the victim.

01:35:22.780 Meanwhile, look, I'm open-minded to what he may have done.

01:35:25.760 Tell me.

01:35:26.060 Sure.

01:35:26.280 What did he do?

01:35:27.080 I've read the police report.

01:35:28.060 Nothing.

01:35:28.580 There's nothing even alleged in there by any eyewitness other than that he did place hands on him to eject him from the tent under which they were sitting.

01:35:36.920 That sounds like teenage behavior to me.

01:35:39.020 That in no world is a justification for lethal force.

01:35:44.180 And here is what a truth teller, this Dominique Alexander is, listen to him railing about the criticisms against them.

01:35:53.560 He's mad. People are noticing that they have $500,000 and that there was a report they used it to live in this $900,000 house, which apparently is not true, or at least he says it's not.

01:36:02.300 But listen to the errors in this statement alone, SOT 24.

01:36:05.840 And now that the public knows exactly what is going on, I ask, because these racist bigots try to prevent us from standing up for our baby, our boy,

01:36:21.620 he should be afforded the same rights that Cal Rittenhouse had, Daniel Pena, and all of the people who have claimed whatever their defense was, he should be afforded the same right.

01:36:40.000 Nobody in the public media has one video camera, but we got the video of Cal Rittenhouse with an AK-47 shooting three people in the back.

01:36:48.600 That didn't happen. Kyle Rittenhouse didn't shoot three men in the back and he didn't have an AK-47.

01:37:03.180 This is not a truth teller. It's quite clear.

01:37:06.380 And this family stood behind him as he railed about our racism, Trump, being black in America.

01:37:14.340 And that's where this case is going. And it's getting incendiary. I mean, people are very worked up over this.

01:37:19.760 I see stuff like this and it makes me so sad. It really, more than anything, it makes me angry and it makes me sad because it's pulling this country backwards.

01:37:27.780 It's pulling us so backwards. Anytime, I don't know about you, but like anytime I interact with somebody who doesn't look like me,

01:37:34.240 I always wonder, like, do you think I'm bad? Do you think I'm evil?

01:37:38.240 Because of the rhetoric over the past few years.

01:37:39.760 Because of all of this that's been going on? Like, can we connect as humans? Like, period.

01:37:44.680 I think that if there were some precipitating event, we would know about it by now.

01:37:50.220 He would have better rhetoric to throw at us than this bullshit.

01:37:53.660 And by the way, not for nothing, Daniel Penny escaped, like, by the skin of his teeth.

01:37:58.800 It was not looking good. And it's because of race baiting like this.

01:38:02.940 That assumes specifics be damned.

01:38:06.380 If you're white, you are a homicidal maniac oppressor against anyone who is dark skinned.

01:38:12.680 That is it.

01:38:13.440 He's trying to O.J. Simpson this case.

01:38:15.560 You know, where he's got what appears to be a clear assailant and a clear victim, but the assailant is black, the victim is white,

01:38:24.800 and he's trying to play on old racial fears in the country about a racist police system.

01:38:32.460 The police have nothing to do with this.

01:38:34.460 This happened at a track meet in front of dozens, if not more, people.

01:38:38.500 Carmelo Anthony is the one who took a knife to that event and responded to what otherwise looked like a normal,

01:38:44.880 unfortunate teenage skirmish with lethal force.

01:38:49.360 It's very dark and it's very serious.

01:38:51.860 I do think there's something wrong with this kid, Carmelo Anthony, if he, if he, if, if what the facts alleged, if they're true,

01:39:00.100 there's something wrong with him.

01:39:01.160 That's just not a normal way to behave.

01:39:02.860 There's something depraved about his heart and he should be in jail for the rest of his life.

01:39:07.840 And the father, his father had every right to go there and hear what they were going to say about this case.

01:39:12.120 And his son who cannot be there to represent himself because of Carmelo Anthony.

01:39:18.720 This is just, you know, it's like, it just infuriates me because you would see the BLM crowd out there exploiting this.

01:39:25.080 And I don't say this in a provocative way, but I mean it.

01:39:28.420 White lives matter too.

01:39:29.560 And Austin Metcalfe's life mattered.

01:39:34.580 Yes.

01:39:35.340 This is just, they're re-victimizing him all over again.

01:39:38.180 They're making the victim, the perpetrator, the aggressor.

01:39:41.540 They're going to racialize this.

01:39:44.080 And maybe there is a racial component.

01:39:45.680 I don't know, but we never come at things truthfully anymore.

01:39:50.060 There's a zero proof of it.

01:39:51.260 We know that.

01:39:52.360 Listen, what an episode.

01:39:53.800 We usually start hard and land soft.

01:39:55.520 Today we did the reverse, but it was an amazing two hours.

01:39:57.880 Love you, lady.

01:39:58.400 I love you too.

01:39:59.100 Good luck with the nerve.

01:39:59.920 Thank you.

01:40:00.460 Don't forget to check it out.

01:40:03.700 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 18, 2025

Meghan Markle's ＂Founder＂ Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching ＂The Nerve,＂ with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 1052

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