The Megyn Kelly Show - December 20, 2025


Megyn Kelly at Turning Point AmFest 2025： What's Really Behind the Rift on the Right, and the Truth About the Candace-Erika Summit


Episode Stats

Length

24 minutes

Words per Minute

177.44724

Word Count

4,414

Sentence Count

208

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

Jack and Meghan Kelly are joined by Jack's brother Jack to discuss what it's like being on stage without their brother Charlie. They also discuss the possibility of the death penalty being used in this case, and what it means to be a Christian in this moment.


Transcript

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.220 Ladies and gentlemen, we're here with Megyn Kelly at AmFest 2025.
00:00:18.780 Just when you think Turning Point can't go next level on the walkout, they can. They can shift to 11.
00:00:25.020 Megyn, I've got to ask, how does it feel to be on this stage without Charlie?
00:00:31.600 Oh, like you, Jack, I miss him so much.
00:00:35.960 And this is how we would always do it, right?
00:00:37.800 Because just for me, I prefer a Q&A.
00:00:40.100 I just think it's more interesting than a speech.
00:00:43.120 And we would sit at all of these things.
00:00:45.580 And he was always so great, not to make you feel nervous,
00:00:49.100 but he always knew exactly what question to ask.
00:00:51.280 How did he get you up and down on a story?
00:00:54.720 He had a very good judgment for what was interesting to the audience, too,
00:00:57.760 and was always so generous with his time and his, you know, his approach.
00:01:01.360 So that, of course, I'm going to miss, but I can't believe it's been three months.
00:01:06.500 In some ways, it feels like yesterday,
00:01:08.020 and in some ways it feels like another lifetime that we've seen him, right?
00:01:11.800 Somebody brought up a, you know, an event I was at just a few days before Charlie's murder.
00:01:18.420 And I remember thinking to myself, we were sitting, we were having lunch,
00:01:23.900 and everything was totally normal.
00:01:26.000 Everything was just normal life.
00:01:28.780 And then suddenly God snaps his fingers and shows you that you are not in control,
00:01:36.260 that he is in control, that you are a spectator, you are a reactor,
00:01:41.260 you are someone who is living out God's will.
00:01:44.560 And I think that's one of the biggest things for me that I've been,
00:01:49.980 and look, you know, it's not easy doing all this,
00:01:52.900 but one of the things that I've been working hard to remember
00:01:55.800 that God's will is absolutely paramount in all of this.
00:02:01.060 I know.
00:02:01.580 We don't have it all figured out.
00:02:03.500 I mean, I'll tell you, I was backstage a little while ago,
00:02:07.340 and I went to see Erica in her green room.
00:02:12.460 And, you know, she's so strong, and she's the picture of class.
00:02:16.940 But she was alone.
00:02:19.720 You know, and I saw her, I met her for the first time backstage at one of these events,
00:02:24.180 and she was with just their daughter, who was just a baby at the time.
00:02:29.840 They didn't have their little boy yet.
00:02:31.520 And she was seated.
00:02:32.540 She looked so beautiful.
00:02:33.580 She had her baby with her.
00:02:34.560 Charlie was in and out of everything.
00:02:36.520 It was crazy.
00:02:37.320 We were in Florida.
00:02:38.120 He was, like, sweaty.
00:02:39.640 And she was just like an angel sitting there in the middle of the chaos,
00:02:42.980 like, completely managing it and nonplussed.
00:02:46.120 And I just couldn't help with seeing her backstage alone,
00:02:48.760 thinking this, it doesn't feel right.
00:02:51.360 You know, she shouldn't be alone.
00:02:54.120 She should be with the love of her life.
00:02:56.460 And that's why we have to make sure we get justice for the man who took him.
00:03:01.160 Absolutely.
00:03:01.560 And Megan, you were talking about this on your show recently,
00:03:08.200 and you and I had a little conversation about it as well.
00:03:11.780 And you said, you know, can a Christian want that kind of justice?
00:03:18.540 And can a Christian believe in that kind of justice?
00:03:22.080 And it's a great question.
00:03:22.980 It's something a lot of people wrestle with.
00:03:24.400 And the Bible tells us that the sovereign is given the sword to wield justly.
00:03:34.980 And so when you talk about things like the death penalty,
00:03:38.800 when you talk about things like capital punishment,
00:03:40.780 we understand that it is not done out of vengeance.
00:03:45.240 It is not done out of anger.
00:03:48.280 It is done, as Charlie said himself,
00:03:51.620 out of valuing the life of the victim
00:03:53.960 and showing that that life had worth,
00:03:56.760 showing that that life had value.
00:03:58.340 And by the way, it is a way to start to repay,
00:04:01.680 I believe, as a way to start to repay the debt that's incurred
00:04:05.360 by every single moment that was stolen from Erica,
00:04:09.840 from his daughter, for his son,
00:04:11.860 for every single Christmas,
00:04:13.580 for every single holiday,
00:04:15.280 for every single birthday,
00:04:16.520 for every single baseball that'll never be thrown and caught,
00:04:19.820 for not being able to walk his little girl down the aisle.
00:04:23.780 That's a debt that needs to be paid.
00:04:25.380 That's right, Jack.
00:04:26.380 And that's to say nothing of the debt that is owed to all of us,
00:04:31.740 to everyone who is sitting here,
00:04:33.360 who knew and loved Charlie
00:04:35.760 in whatever way it worked for you.
00:04:38.900 I mean, if Charlie could see this,
00:04:40.320 he would be so proud,
00:04:41.460 he would be so happy,
00:04:43.160 he would be so lifted up by all of you.
00:04:47.140 But we've all been robbed.
00:04:48.260 We've all been cheated.
00:04:49.640 And so, yes, we will both be watching that trial
00:04:51.880 minute by minute,
00:04:53.420 and I believe justice will be done.
00:04:56.520 I think it will.
00:04:57.360 And, you know, I do believe that Charlie
00:04:59.920 is watching us right now.
00:05:01.300 And I'm sure up in heaven,
00:05:03.760 I'm not sure quite what the radio schedule is,
00:05:06.260 but I think Charlie's probably on from nine to noon,
00:05:08.660 and then from noon to three is Rush.
00:05:12.120 That's amazing.
00:05:14.760 And of course, they do a handoff,
00:05:16.340 because why not?
00:05:17.140 But Megan,
00:05:17.960 one of the things that's come up in the wake of all of this,
00:05:21.360 and, you know,
00:05:22.420 people have said,
00:05:23.860 there's so much division in the movement,
00:05:25.560 and, you know,
00:05:26.720 is there divisiveness?
00:05:28.220 Are there two sides?
00:05:29.180 Are there fractures coming up?
00:05:31.020 There's division,
00:05:32.000 and Charlie was that uniter.
00:05:34.040 So I'll just ask you the question,
00:05:35.600 as interviewing here today,
00:05:37.360 do you think that there has been an inseparable rift
00:05:40.900 in the conservative movement
00:05:42.500 that we've seen since the death of Charlie?
00:05:44.340 I mean, there's a rift,
00:05:47.020 but it was starting even before we lost Charlie,
00:05:50.300 and it revolves around Israel.
00:05:53.140 There just is.
00:05:54.800 It's gotten worse without him.
00:05:57.080 He was helping us navigate it,
00:05:59.480 and this is another area in which I miss him so much,
00:06:02.140 because I feel like Charlie and I
00:06:03.340 were completely in lockstep on this.
00:06:07.060 And you guys may have seen the episode that we put out,
00:06:10.580 what we re-released,
00:06:11.540 of Charlie and yours truly,
00:06:13.440 talking about Israel weeks before he died,
00:06:18.300 where we had a really powerful heart-to-heart
00:06:21.920 on where we both were,
00:06:23.920 who we were both ardent Israel supporters,
00:06:26.720 and had both been extremely defensive
00:06:28.780 of American Jewish people on college campuses
00:06:31.380 getting harassed,
00:06:32.300 and those hostage pictures getting torn down,
00:06:34.500 and very outspoken about it,
00:06:35.620 and horrified by it.
00:06:37.640 And then we had a discussion
00:06:40.200 at the Student Action Summit in July
00:06:42.260 where there was a passing comment
00:06:43.540 about if Epstein was an intel asset,
00:06:46.020 whose would he have been,
00:06:47.860 which Charlie asked me.
00:06:49.780 And I said it would make sense
00:06:50.800 that it was the Israelis,
00:06:52.720 since he was very close
00:06:54.220 with the former prime minister,
00:06:55.940 and the former president.
00:06:58.260 And then we both got called anti-Semites,
00:07:01.480 like by some legitimate Jewish organizations
00:07:03.920 for that conversation.
00:07:05.040 By the way, Benjamin Netanyahu
00:07:06.200 would go on to say I was right.
00:07:09.860 And we were both on our heels.
00:07:11.880 But Charlie was with young people
00:07:13.940 every day for a living,
00:07:15.480 in particular young Republicans,
00:07:17.040 and he was seeing what I was seeing
00:07:19.300 in my neck of the conservative woods,
00:07:22.160 which was this party's changing
00:07:24.360 on the issue of Israel.
00:07:26.300 I mean, when I was at Fox,
00:07:27.740 you supported Israel, period.
00:07:29.580 Like, no one was really interested
00:07:31.060 in your actual opinion.
00:07:32.060 You just supported Israel.
00:07:33.140 Which was fine for me,
00:07:34.760 because I did.
00:07:36.440 But the party started to turn
00:07:37.840 after 10-7.
00:07:39.000 Uniform support and sympathy
00:07:40.380 for Israel in 10-7.
00:07:41.620 But as the war went on,
00:07:43.740 two years later,
00:07:45.040 people were starting to turn on them.
00:07:47.640 It felt like too much.
00:07:50.080 And then we were under pressure
00:07:51.840 to get involved.
00:07:52.360 We had the Iran bombing and so on.
00:07:54.560 And the pressure started to mount
00:07:56.780 on those of us who were pro-Israel
00:07:58.860 to not allow the doubters their say.
00:08:02.660 To try to censor them
00:08:04.120 or disagree with them publicly
00:08:05.100 or call them out.
00:08:06.500 And neither Charlie nor I
00:08:07.480 felt like that was
00:08:08.480 what we wanted to do at all.
00:08:10.080 Nor was it our job.
00:08:11.720 We're not the policemen
00:08:12.900 of the conservative movement.
00:08:14.180 I'm not.
00:08:14.640 He wasn't.
00:08:15.720 Ben Shapiro isn't either.
00:08:18.500 Well, Megan,
00:08:19.840 you mentioned him,
00:08:22.920 and your name came up
00:08:25.840 on this stage last night
00:08:27.740 in regards to pretty much
00:08:29.060 all of this.
00:08:30.460 Would you like the opportunity
00:08:31.440 to respond?
00:08:34.040 Well, I found it kind of funny
00:08:36.160 that Ben thinks he has the power
00:08:38.180 to decide who gets excommunicated
00:08:40.240 from the conservative movement,
00:08:41.880 which shows a willful blindness
00:08:44.260 about his position in it.
00:08:46.720 It reminded me a little
00:08:48.160 of when the girl
00:08:49.980 who was the head
00:08:50.640 of our middle school chorus
00:08:52.160 told me she was going to
00:08:53.080 take all my friends
00:08:53.760 away from me.
00:08:56.120 Chorus?
00:08:58.060 A head cheerleader maybe,
00:08:59.580 but like...
00:09:00.500 So I resent the whole thing.
00:09:03.120 I object to the whole thing.
00:09:04.240 Ben and I,
00:09:04.860 he had the nerve
00:09:05.760 to call me a friend
00:09:06.440 right before he called me
00:09:07.340 a despicable coward
00:09:08.220 for not calling out
00:09:09.980 the people he once called out.
00:09:11.960 So he both wants to parent me
00:09:13.500 and be my child.
00:09:15.180 He wants to tell me
00:09:15.940 what I have to do
00:09:16.960 and who I have to say what to.
00:09:19.480 And then when I don't,
00:09:21.020 he and some of his friends
00:09:21.980 want to act like utter victims
00:09:23.200 because I won't do what they say.
00:09:25.520 They need me.
00:09:26.180 I have to be their daddy
00:09:27.000 and step in to protect them.
00:09:29.140 And I am not their daddy.
00:09:31.340 And I resent that he thinks
00:09:33.800 he's in a position to decide
00:09:35.100 who must say what to whom and when.
00:09:37.860 Thank you.
00:09:40.340 So I don't think we are friends anymore.
00:09:44.500 I've been a very good friend to Ben.
00:09:47.300 Nobody knew who the heck Ben Shapiro was
00:09:49.560 when I started putting him on my shows
00:09:51.320 on the Fox News channel.
00:09:52.800 And I helped make him a star.
00:09:55.060 And I've been very, very good to Ben
00:09:56.240 over the years.
00:09:56.840 And he's been good to me too.
00:09:58.220 He just recently came on my tour,
00:09:59.560 as did you.
00:10:00.100 And I gave him the most kind introduction
00:10:03.620 I could possibly give him
00:10:04.580 because I know that he's losing subscribers
00:10:06.440 a lot.
00:10:08.420 And so I tried to do something nice for him
00:10:10.700 by giving him a long 10-minute intro
00:10:12.300 and personally vouching for him.
00:10:14.260 And we mixed it up on Israel
00:10:16.660 out on stage.
00:10:17.680 It wasn't Israel
00:10:18.140 because we're on the same place on Israel.
00:10:19.780 We mixed it up over whether
00:10:21.100 Tucker Carlson should be excommunicated
00:10:23.060 from the conservative movement,
00:10:24.280 which I do not believe.
00:10:26.080 And when, thank you.
00:10:30.440 And when it was over,
00:10:32.040 we hugged, said goodbye,
00:10:35.040 and then we had a nice text exchange
00:10:36.260 a couple days later
00:10:37.140 saying our friendship was important to us.
00:10:39.100 And the next thing I saw
00:10:40.700 was him attacking me on stage
00:10:42.560 last night as a coward.
00:10:43.820 So that's not friendship.
00:10:45.900 And I think that's fine with me.
00:10:48.720 With friends like that.
00:10:52.200 There was also,
00:10:53.520 there was also some response
00:10:56.080 where it seemed like that call
00:10:57.740 was being co-signed
00:10:59.020 by the new head of CBS News,
00:11:02.060 Barry Weiss.
00:11:02.720 And I wanted to know
00:11:03.360 if you wanted to respond to that as well.
00:11:06.700 So it's a similar situation with Barry.
00:11:09.700 None of this is about them calling me out
00:11:12.420 for anything I've said or haven't said,
00:11:14.180 or it's certainly not about Erica Kirk
00:11:16.360 as Ben tried to make it sound last night.
00:11:18.860 It's about Israel.
00:11:20.660 Those two are very pro-ardent Israel activists,
00:11:23.720 which is fine,
00:11:24.240 but they don't get to dictate
00:11:25.900 how the rest of us feel about Israel
00:11:28.060 or what we do with respect to our friends
00:11:29.700 and our friends' opinions on Israel.
00:11:32.220 And I'll tell you,
00:11:33.800 you know,
00:11:34.120 Barry Weiss wants to
00:11:35.960 couch herself
00:11:38.820 as Erica's protector,
00:11:40.520 Erica's defender.
00:11:42.180 She's retweeting the Ben speech
00:11:44.520 saying anybody who doesn't call out
00:11:46.500 conspiracy theorists is a coward.
00:11:49.100 Erica Kirk
00:11:50.120 barely knows Barry Weiss.
00:11:52.060 Barry doesn't know anything about Erica.
00:11:54.960 Barry Weiss has never been to a turning point event.
00:11:57.080 Do you guys remember her here?
00:11:58.800 Standing up for what we believe in
00:12:00.320 when Charlie was alive?
00:12:01.940 I don't remember her standing up for our principles.
00:12:04.420 I don't remember her defending Charlie
00:12:05.860 the many times he was called a racist
00:12:07.720 or an anti-Semite.
00:12:09.300 I really don't remember that at all.
00:12:10.760 What I do remember
00:12:11.560 is she had Erica Kirk come on one town hall
00:12:14.720 in which Barry Weiss tried to play
00:12:16.980 both super important VIP executive
00:12:20.100 and super fabulous star anchor
00:12:23.300 at her new network CBS,
00:12:25.040 Pro Tip Barry.
00:12:26.100 That's no way to win friends
00:12:27.440 at your new organization
00:12:28.640 to try to steal all the hosting abilities
00:12:31.000 of the on-air talent.
00:12:32.500 So good luck with that.
00:12:33.640 And what she did
00:12:35.280 when she had Erica there
00:12:36.340 was to have the nerve
00:12:37.840 to bring on
00:12:39.400 the man who asked
00:12:41.120 the final question
00:12:42.380 of Charlie
00:12:43.540 right before he got shot
00:12:45.100 Hunter Kozak
00:12:46.340 to put Erica
00:12:47.440 in the position
00:12:48.140 of having to defend
00:12:49.700 whether Trump
00:12:51.280 uses hateful rhetoric.
00:12:54.060 The nerve.
00:12:56.140 I'll just say
00:12:56.960 I didn't appreciate
00:12:58.160 when I saw that that happened
00:12:59.420 and I don't think
00:13:01.060 that that ever should have happened.
00:13:01.920 I don't think that question
00:13:02.760 should have been asked
00:13:03.420 and I noticed
00:13:04.120 that when Hunter Kozak
00:13:05.380 did that
00:13:05.960 he immediately went
00:13:08.360 to try to get Erica
00:13:09.480 to denounce Trump,
00:13:11.580 denounce his rhetoric.
00:13:13.640 This is a man
00:13:14.320 who was standing
00:13:15.020 in front of Charlie,
00:13:16.120 in front of her husband
00:13:16.900 when he died
00:13:17.640 and he never once
00:13:19.500 even said to her
00:13:20.420 the basic human decency
00:13:22.780 of saying
00:13:23.900 I'm sorry for your loss.
00:13:26.000 He was sick
00:13:26.540 and that was a Barry Weiss move
00:13:29.020 because trust me
00:13:29.720 I've done town halls.
00:13:30.680 You know
00:13:31.140 who the questioners are
00:13:32.320 and you know
00:13:32.580 what the questions are
00:13:33.120 in advance in that setting.
00:13:34.620 So she knew it was coming
00:13:35.580 and she thought
00:13:36.380 it was appropriate
00:13:36.920 to have Charlie's widow
00:13:38.840 answer for Trump's
00:13:41.520 violent rhetoric.
00:13:43.120 I'm sorry.
00:13:43.780 That's disrespectful
00:13:44.480 and I will not be taking
00:13:45.780 any lessons from Barry Weiss
00:13:47.320 in how to treat Erica
00:13:48.620 or anyone else.
00:13:50.020 All right.
00:13:52.700 So,
00:13:53.520 since we're spilling
00:13:55.280 all the tea tonight.
00:13:57.340 Tea,
00:13:58.080 I did not want spilled
00:13:58.960 for the record.
00:13:59.820 I kept my powder dry
00:14:01.300 until I was attacked publicly.
00:14:02.340 Hey, they said I could interview you
00:14:02.880 so I'm asking
00:14:03.420 all the questions here.
00:14:04.720 We're turning the tables
00:14:05.620 on Megyn Kelly for once.
00:14:07.400 So, Megyn,
00:14:08.560 you mentioned something
00:14:09.900 on your show recently
00:14:11.920 that I know
00:14:13.400 a lot of people
00:14:13.940 have been chatting about.
00:14:14.980 There's been a lot
00:14:15.460 of chatter about this.
00:14:16.940 The sit-down,
00:14:18.100 the peace summit
00:14:19.400 heard around the world
00:14:20.780 between Candace Owens
00:14:22.420 and Erica Kirk
00:14:24.040 and you mentioned
00:14:25.080 that you played a role
00:14:26.420 in brokering this.
00:14:28.420 Tell us the story
00:14:29.240 if you would.
00:14:31.600 Well,
00:14:32.120 Erica has asked me
00:14:33.800 to tell the story
00:14:34.420 and is fine
00:14:35.680 with me telling the story
00:14:36.400 so I will.
00:14:37.120 Otherwise,
00:14:37.680 I would not have gotten
00:14:38.300 into the details.
00:14:39.280 But,
00:14:40.060 so from the beginning
00:14:43.720 of Candace's
00:14:46.900 programming on this,
00:14:49.520 I've been in touch
00:14:50.100 with Turning Point.
00:14:51.860 And I know you have too.
00:14:52.860 We've all talked
00:14:53.940 about it behind the scenes.
00:14:55.560 But I've had long,
00:14:56.640 long conversations
00:14:57.600 with everybody
00:14:58.220 at the highest levels
00:14:58.920 on how to handle this.
00:15:00.540 And I think everybody
00:15:01.420 was confused
00:15:03.040 about what the next
00:15:04.160 right move was
00:15:05.360 because it was
00:15:06.420 so extraordinary.
00:15:08.000 And I'm not going
00:15:09.200 to get into the substance
00:15:09.940 of those discussions
00:15:10.860 but suffice to say
00:15:12.300 that I think everyone
00:15:13.820 felt the best course
00:15:14.780 initially was to try
00:15:15.900 to just rise above it
00:15:17.280 and not respond
00:15:18.960 in a tit-for-tat.
00:15:20.100 manner.
00:15:22.120 And,
00:15:22.680 as it went on,
00:15:26.140 it started to get
00:15:28.520 more and more
00:15:29.740 problematic
00:15:30.720 for Turning Point
00:15:31.420 for Erica and so on.
00:15:32.460 And Erica called me
00:15:33.520 and said,
00:15:35.160 I want to do
00:15:36.420 a sit-down with Candace
00:15:37.500 and I want you
00:15:38.020 to moderate it.
00:15:39.920 And I said,
00:15:41.100 what?
00:15:42.940 Say what?
00:15:44.940 And I said,
00:15:45.880 you know,
00:15:46.220 she said
00:15:46.920 a word from you
00:15:48.640 would silence her
00:15:49.380 on this forever.
00:15:50.120 It doesn't have to be
00:15:51.400 an oral word.
00:15:53.160 It could be like a text
00:15:54.020 or an email.
00:15:55.340 Maybe that's the best way
00:15:56.380 to see if we can
00:15:57.980 put this to bed.
00:15:59.380 But Erica really felt
00:16:00.400 that they should sit down
00:16:01.160 together face to face.
00:16:02.640 And I've gotten to know
00:16:03.320 Candace a little better
00:16:04.000 over the past months
00:16:04.960 and I actually thought
00:16:05.660 she might do it.
00:16:06.520 Like, I wasn't sure
00:16:07.100 but I don't know.
00:16:08.180 An invitation from Erica
00:16:09.240 would be hard to resist.
00:16:11.320 And she said,
00:16:13.140 you know,
00:16:13.320 would you please come
00:16:13.940 and facilitate it really?
00:16:15.120 Just like,
00:16:15.680 they were going to have
00:16:16.300 the discussion
00:16:16.720 but Erica's thought
00:16:18.440 and Candace originally
00:16:20.040 wanted to do this too
00:16:21.020 was for them
00:16:21.680 to live stream this out
00:16:23.500 that same Monday
00:16:25.280 that the Turning Point guys
00:16:26.280 were going to live stream
00:16:27.120 their event.
00:16:29.160 And of course,
00:16:29.640 I'm like,
00:16:30.580 oh my mother of God,
00:16:32.580 what am I getting myself into?
00:16:34.720 But I actually felt,
00:16:36.500 I felt like it was
00:16:37.720 divine right order
00:16:38.400 and I have to tell you,
00:16:39.120 Jack,
00:16:39.220 I've prayed so many times,
00:16:41.100 so many times to Charlie
00:16:42.100 and to God
00:16:43.120 to give me the right guidance
00:16:44.400 on how to handle
00:16:45.020 this whole thing.
00:16:45.840 The fracture within
00:16:46.580 the conservative movement,
00:16:48.000 my friends turning on me
00:16:49.160 because I won't call out
00:16:50.020 my other friends
00:16:50.720 like Tucker.
00:16:51.900 This dust-up
00:16:52.700 between Candace and Erica
00:16:54.240 and Turning Point
00:16:54.760 and Erica,
00:16:55.320 or Turning Point
00:16:56.360 and Candace,
00:16:56.800 which is fraught
00:16:57.800 and yet I understand,
00:17:00.500 I know people are very angry
00:17:01.880 at Candace right now
00:17:02.580 and I understand it
00:17:03.140 but I have to say
00:17:03.880 and Ben,
00:17:04.640 yet another thing
00:17:05.100 he mocked me for
00:17:05.820 was saying she was
00:17:06.420 a young mother.
00:17:07.420 Candace had like
00:17:07.960 literally just had a baby.
00:17:10.000 And I'm sorry,
00:17:11.500 maybe Ben doesn't understand
00:17:12.440 but that is a vulnerable position
00:17:13.780 for a woman
00:17:14.320 and then her friend
00:17:15.220 got shot in the neck
00:17:16.200 and so I did think
00:17:17.800 she deserved
00:17:18.400 a wide berth
00:17:19.820 right after Charlie's death
00:17:21.040 to explore
00:17:22.320 what she wanted to explore.
00:17:23.640 I had real empathy for her
00:17:24.820 and of course
00:17:26.020 I don't agree
00:17:26.460 with what she's said
00:17:27.620 about Turning Point Erica
00:17:28.600 and she knows that.
00:17:30.160 But my point was simply
00:17:31.040 that I thought
00:17:32.820 maybe Charlie
00:17:34.300 helped me understand
00:17:35.820 to keep my powder dry
00:17:36.760 and the whole thing
00:17:37.380 so that maybe
00:17:37.980 I could be in a position
00:17:38.800 to help it happen.
00:17:39.720 It's what Erica wants.
00:17:41.160 Maybe Candace does want
00:17:42.140 an off-ramp
00:17:42.700 and I'm willing to try.
00:17:45.300 So Candace and I
00:17:45.860 were in touch
00:17:46.360 and she was very nice.
00:17:48.120 She said
00:17:48.480 I'm thrilled it's you.
00:17:50.480 I'll do it.
00:17:52.040 So they were going to do it
00:17:53.020 out here in Arizona
00:17:53.860 and then there was
00:17:55.060 a security issue
00:17:55.840 Candace said
00:17:56.880 that she said
00:17:58.040 she couldn't come
00:17:59.120 and then Erica said
00:18:00.660 I'll go to you.
00:18:02.540 I'll go to Nashville.
00:18:04.260 It's just extraordinary.
00:18:05.640 I mean Erica's been
00:18:06.180 all over the country
00:18:07.580 trying to honor
00:18:08.300 Charlie's commitments
00:18:09.380 on his book tour.
00:18:10.920 She was exhausted.
00:18:12.720 She had this
00:18:13.500 coming up this week.
00:18:14.860 I mean she's going through
00:18:15.820 she has two babies at home
00:18:16.840 who are
00:18:17.140 she's now a single mother too.
00:18:19.840 But she really wanted
00:18:20.940 to put this to bed
00:18:21.560 and so she said
00:18:22.080 I'll go to you
00:18:22.640 and then it morphed into
00:18:24.000 let's not do the live stream.
00:18:25.800 Let's just do it.
00:18:27.100 The two of us
00:18:27.720 which I thought was great.
00:18:28.980 So they both went in there.
00:18:30.640 Erica brought
00:18:31.100 a trusted friend
00:18:32.460 and employee here
00:18:33.260 and Candace
00:18:35.220 had someone
00:18:37.120 very close to her
00:18:37.860 and they
00:18:38.860 by all accounts
00:18:40.420 from both women
00:18:41.000 had a very good meeting.
00:18:42.700 Now
00:18:42.900 will it last?
00:18:45.080 Where does it go from here?
00:18:46.700 I was joking earlier
00:18:47.800 like what's more tenuous
00:18:48.760 the Gaza peace deal
00:18:49.740 or this situation?
00:18:53.600 What I really want
00:18:54.920 is for Candace
00:18:56.540 to move on
00:18:57.380 from turning point
00:18:58.300 and Erica.
00:18:58.920 I have no problem
00:18:59.500 with her asking questions
00:19:00.480 but not about them.
00:19:02.460 But I also
00:19:06.080 I also object
00:19:07.240 for the record
00:19:08.080 to the people
00:19:08.660 who have tried
00:19:09.200 to shut Candace down
00:19:10.280 entirely
00:19:10.800 on inquiring
00:19:12.440 into
00:19:13.340 what if any role
00:19:15.460 did Israel have here?
00:19:17.120 And I want to make clear
00:19:18.240 I don't think Israel
00:19:19.000 had any role.
00:19:19.940 I think Tyler Robinson
00:19:20.900 killed Charlie.
00:19:22.480 My only question
00:19:23.380 is whether there was
00:19:24.160 some trans-TIFA
00:19:25.420 element
00:19:25.840 that helped him.
00:19:26.780 however
00:19:27.880 it's okay
00:19:29.860 to ask questions
00:19:31.020 about Israel.
00:19:32.400 And it was
00:19:33.000 Andrew Colvette
00:19:34.060 the executive producer
00:19:35.660 of the Charlie Kirk show
00:19:36.620 who sent those texts
00:19:38.180 to the FBI
00:19:39.480 of Charlie's
00:19:41.020 from that private message
00:19:42.520 it wasn't a text
00:19:43.240 it was private messages
00:19:44.120 like a group chat
00:19:45.460 in which he said
00:19:47.260 the Jewish donors
00:19:49.860 to Turning Point
00:19:50.680 were driving him
00:19:52.200 up on the wall
00:19:54.160 and that
00:19:55.220 he'd had it
00:19:56.280 with them
00:19:56.680 and that
00:19:57.600 they were making
00:19:59.060 demands of him
00:19:59.680 that he was not
00:20:00.140 prepared to meet
00:20:00.780 and he was at
00:20:02.260 his wit's end
00:20:02.840 and he had told me
00:20:04.020 personally
00:20:04.420 that he found
00:20:04.920 their behavior
00:20:05.420 and I quote
00:20:06.020 repulsive.
00:20:06.600 So I was fine
00:20:09.420 again I don't think
00:20:11.100 Israel had anything
00:20:11.740 to do with it
00:20:12.260 but why did I have
00:20:13.620 an obligation
00:20:14.060 to stop Candace
00:20:15.040 from asking those questions?
00:20:16.480 I didn't
00:20:17.260 and I didn't call her out
00:20:18.740 because I favored
00:20:20.020 her asking them.
00:20:27.300 So then Megan
00:20:28.360 what is the way forward?
00:20:31.340 What is the way forward
00:20:32.280 for the right
00:20:33.020 for Turning Point?
00:20:34.940 Charlie is
00:20:35.920 on assignment
00:20:36.660 with God
00:20:37.440 Erica is here now
00:20:38.820 the organization
00:20:39.480 is here now
00:20:40.460 what is the way forward
00:20:41.680 for the movement?
00:20:44.500 Look
00:20:44.940 I think we're far more
00:20:46.100 united than we are divided
00:20:47.840 and I think while
00:20:49.320 I agree
00:20:49.640 right?
00:20:50.540 Yeah
00:20:50.740 I think we're far more united
00:20:52.320 I mean I would just
00:20:55.120 put one final period
00:20:56.300 on the pro-Israel activists
00:20:57.800 which are not to be confused
00:20:59.060 with regular
00:20:59.980 Jewish Americans
00:21:01.100 who are lovely
00:21:01.700 and don't run around
00:21:02.580 trying to tell you
00:21:03.100 what you can and cannot say
00:21:04.100 but I think they need
00:21:05.700 to stop being such
00:21:06.580 ardent bullies
00:21:07.320 because it's dividing
00:21:08.100 our movement
00:21:08.620 unnecessarily
00:21:10.020 over a country
00:21:10.980 that is not ours
00:21:11.740 over Israel
00:21:12.780 not America
00:21:13.340 we need to care
00:21:14.080 about America
00:21:14.600 America first
00:21:16.200 is the principle
00:21:17.000 that will get us through
00:21:17.860 and I think we need to remember
00:21:19.980 and I think we need to remember
00:21:20.000 that the people
00:21:20.740 who are literally killing us
00:21:22.120 like literally killing us
00:21:23.800 are the ones
00:21:24.800 who are the true enemy
00:21:25.560 these crazy radical leftists
00:21:28.560 are the ones
00:21:29.120 about whom we need to worry
00:21:30.200 not our own side
00:21:31.380 you know Megan
00:21:35.680 we only have a couple
00:21:36.640 of minutes left
00:21:37.240 I just wanted to tell you
00:21:38.020 would you guys mind
00:21:38.680 if I embarrass Megan
00:21:39.540 a little bit
00:21:40.000 would that be okay
00:21:40.660 a little bit
00:21:41.140 hold on
00:21:42.440 hold on
00:21:42.800 I'll tell you a story
00:21:43.480 because it's actually
00:21:44.040 embarrassing to me
00:21:44.720 that you don't know this
00:21:46.980 but about a decade ago
00:21:49.340 when I was still
00:21:49.860 in the military
00:21:50.480 when I was in my Navy unit
00:21:52.280 we would be there
00:21:54.500 in Navy intelligence
00:21:55.680 and of course
00:21:56.500 in my office
00:21:57.180 we only watched Fox
00:21:58.520 right
00:21:59.380 and every single day
00:22:02.160 while we were watching
00:22:02.980 there in the military
00:22:03.980 we'd be sitting
00:22:05.080 and we would have on
00:22:06.520 the Kelly file
00:22:07.660 and believe it or not folks
00:22:09.820 this is
00:22:10.200 I just want to let you know
00:22:11.740 that the people of the military
00:22:13.480 the people that I knew
00:22:14.400 people like me
00:22:15.100 who were just guys
00:22:15.780 who were serving
00:22:16.400 we loved everything
00:22:18.420 that you
00:22:19.120 and all the people
00:22:20.240 were doing
00:22:21.240 to support us
00:22:22.440 to support the things
00:22:23.560 that we were doing
00:22:24.340 to support the patriotism
00:22:25.860 that we thought
00:22:26.860 that we had
00:22:27.460 and keep in mind
00:22:28.160 this was under Obama
00:22:29.100 so we were
00:22:30.600 in many cases
00:22:31.800 feeling very isolated
00:22:33.520 feeling very
00:22:34.840 you know
00:22:35.740 very looked aside
00:22:36.740 and blamed
00:22:37.260 for a lot of the things
00:22:38.320 that were going wrong
00:22:39.200 when we realized
00:22:40.280 that these were
00:22:40.740 political decisions
00:22:41.600 that were happening
00:22:42.220 this was the era
00:22:43.580 of Benghazi
00:22:44.420 this was the era
00:22:45.140 of the drone strikes
00:22:46.040 etc etc
00:22:46.740 so I just wanted to say
00:22:49.040 that I hope you know
00:22:50.560 that there are so many people
00:22:52.180 in the United States military
00:22:53.480 in my state's law enforcement
00:22:55.200 that would be out there
00:22:56.140 watching you day in
00:22:57.400 and day out
00:22:58.160 and there still are today
00:22:59.720 and we wanted to thank you
00:23:01.320 for having our back
00:23:02.240 oh Jack
00:23:03.120 that is so sweet
00:23:04.080 the fact that you would put it
00:23:06.340 the thanks goes the other way
00:23:08.340 it does not go
00:23:09.520 from the military
00:23:10.280 now the embarrassing part
00:23:11.540 okay
00:23:11.900 I'm going to admit it
00:23:13.180 we used to kind of have
00:23:15.520 like an office pool
00:23:16.580 about Megan
00:23:17.300 and keep in mind
00:23:20.120 this is a couple of guys
00:23:20.880 in the military
00:23:21.500 we always used to try
00:23:24.220 to guess which color
00:23:25.220 you would wear that day
00:23:26.540 it being Fox
00:23:28.540 it was a high likelihood
00:23:29.400 of neon pink
00:23:30.820 red or yellow
00:23:31.920 I was always green
00:23:33.200 I always went with Kelly Green
00:23:34.600 for Megan Kelly
00:23:35.900 the one thing that would
00:23:36.700 have cost you the bed
00:23:37.500 immediately was orange
00:23:38.620 because Roger did not
00:23:39.940 allow orange
00:23:40.660 oh no orange ever
00:23:41.500 black occasionally
00:23:42.500 black occasionally
00:23:43.500 they didn't love black
00:23:44.060 but they would
00:23:44.500 they sometimes let you
00:23:45.620 get away with it
00:23:46.180 you know why
00:23:46.840 because there was
00:23:47.400 a wardrobe leader there
00:23:48.240 who really felt like
00:23:49.080 the orange
00:23:49.860 like the neon colors
00:23:50.820 would pop
00:23:51.340 so somebody who was
00:23:52.280 channel surfing
00:23:52.880 would see like
00:23:53.900 oh bright pink
00:23:54.840 and a blonde head
00:23:56.280 I'll stop
00:23:57.100 what does she have to say
00:23:58.220 and lo and behold
00:23:59.060 that formula worked
00:23:59.880 and Fox News
00:24:00.440 became number one
00:24:01.180 within a few short
00:24:01.920 years after launch
00:24:02.740 there you go
00:24:03.580 I you know
00:24:04.580 I've tried that myself
00:24:05.700 but I don't really
00:24:06.440 have the same effect
00:24:07.220 Megan
00:24:07.540 no it's different
00:24:09.300 in podcasting
00:24:10.000 but you have a voice
00:24:10.660 for podcasting
00:24:11.480 Jack
00:24:11.800 my dad says
00:24:13.440 I have a voice
00:24:13.940 for radio too
00:24:14.600 Megan
00:24:15.960 thank you so much
00:24:17.240 for your leadership
00:24:18.280 on this
00:24:18.860 for your guidance
00:24:19.720 for brokering peace
00:24:21.300 in a situation
00:24:22.200 like this
00:24:22.880 for stepping up
00:24:23.860 and being a leader
00:24:24.660 when you could
00:24:25.420 have been divisive
00:24:26.360 when you could
00:24:27.000 have taken sides
00:24:27.860 but I'll say it
00:24:29.020 from my side
00:24:29.680 and you as well
00:24:30.340 I'm not on
00:24:31.460 America's side
00:24:32.680 or excuse me
00:24:33.440 I'm on America's side
00:24:34.500 I'm on Turning Point's side
00:24:36.120 and I'm on Charlie's side
00:24:37.440 right on
00:24:38.140 same
00:24:38.580 same
00:24:39.600 sign me up
00:24:40.840 thank you all so much
00:24:42.000 give it up for Megan Kelly
00:24:43.040 God bless
00:24:44.100 thanks for listening
00:24:48.600 to the Megan Kelly show
00:24:49.720 no BS
00:24:50.580 no agenda
00:24:51.360 and no fear