The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn Kelly Breaks Down the Kohberger Sentencing Fallout - From Bombshell Police Documents to Press Conference ｜ Ep. 1116

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00:01:00.320 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.240 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:13.160 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:14.700 I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:15.800 We covered the Brian Kohlberger sentencing on Wednesday.

00:01:18.420 You guys remember that.

00:01:19.540 And the families of the victims finally had the chance to address their loved one's killer in person, face-to-face.

00:01:26.660 What a dramatic day.

00:01:28.180 Throughout the emotional victim impact statements, Kohlberger showed no remorse whatsoever.

00:01:33.260 And offered no explanation for the murders of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Zanna Cronodal.

00:01:41.220 He is now at his new home, the Idaho Maximum Security Institution.

00:01:46.960 Here is his new mugshot. 0.96

00:01:49.540 He looks miserable. 0.99

00:01:51.240 Let's hope he really is. 0.85

00:01:52.800 Since the sentencing, we have learned a lot of new details from the unsealed documents around this crime.

00:02:00.080 And we wanted to bring that information to you.

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00:03:06.900 I don't know.

00:03:08.860 I want to start by saying I've got some questions about what the Idaho cops are saying.

00:03:12.860 I really do.

00:03:13.500 I'm not entirely sure what's going on here.

00:03:16.820 And I'll show you what I'm talking about.

00:03:19.800 So they had a presser right after the Kohlberger hearing on Wednesday happened and finally answered some questions, which they haven't done at all.

00:03:26.700 And the first one related to, do you remember when the crime first happened?

00:03:31.380 They put out a statement saying this was a targeted crime and that the community in Moscow, Idaho, did not need to worry.

00:03:41.280 And everyone had questions like, well, how do you know that?

00:03:46.220 You don't have anybody in custody.

00:03:48.540 You don't have a suspect.

00:03:49.660 So how can you speak to what was in his head that it was targeted?

00:03:53.640 Like, what are you talking about?

00:03:54.740 And that question came up on Wednesday.

00:03:58.120 Watch here in SOT 80.

00:04:00.700 Chief, from the very beginning, your department was saying this was a targeted attack.

00:04:05.140 Can you now say who was the target and what's your evidence to show that?

00:04:09.080 I'll turn that question over to the investigators to answer that one.

00:04:15.960 Well, I think Darren and I have, the evidence suggests that there was a reason that this particular house was chosen.

00:04:23.220 What that reason is, we don't know.

00:04:25.620 We don't know who the target was, and we're not going to speculate on that up here today.

00:04:29.140 But we can tell you that for whatever reason, Mr. Koberter chose that residence.

00:04:33.540 Perhaps it's the location layout.

00:04:35.780 We don't know.

00:04:36.600 But that's, to the best of my knowledge, that's what that statement likely led to. 0.99

00:04:41.940 OK, that is a chicken shit remark. 0.99

00:04:44.920 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:04:45.620 That is that is ridiculous. 0.86

00:04:48.160 That's a CYA cop right there. 0.98

00:04:50.080 That's what's happening.

00:04:51.400 They said it was targeted, I assume, because they wanted to keep the panic level down.

00:04:55.860 But sorry, that's not your job.

00:04:57.340 Your job is to tell the truth.

00:04:58.420 If there was reason to panic, then you need to let the community know that there was a killer on the loose who just murdered four people in the span of 12 minutes.

00:05:07.420 And you had no business saying that it was targeted and like suggesting people didn't need to worry.

00:05:13.720 Kids did need to worry.

00:05:15.120 We had no idea in those initial moments and days who the killer was or whether he was going to target somebody else.

00:05:21.400 I get it.

00:05:22.120 You were trying to lower the temperature, but you had no information that the temperature should be lowered.

00:05:26.300 You really didn't.

00:05:27.940 They've never spoken to it.

00:05:29.600 They've never explained themselves.

00:05:31.100 And now here we get this guy saying we said targeted because we knew he had targeted that home. 1.00

00:05:37.280 Bullshit. 0.99

00:05:38.040 That is not what happened. 1.00

00:05:39.380 That's a lie.

00:05:40.460 I'll tell you that right now.

00:05:41.940 That was an obvious lie.

00:05:45.440 He's saying we knew he targeted the house because his car was casing the house, both in the hours before the murders and for weeks and months before. 0.96

00:05:56.300 So, yeah, he had his eyes on this house, but that's such a ridiculous cop out. 0.62

00:06:03.640 How do you know it was the house, sir?

00:06:06.240 How do you know it wasn't Madison Mogan inside the house or for that matter, Zana Kurnodal?

00:06:11.960 You don't know.

00:06:13.140 You're just trying to say it was the house to justify that you said targeted in the beginning before you knew anything.

00:06:20.540 And by the way, you didn't know that his house had cased the joint when you said that.

00:06:24.040 You had no idea it was even a white Hyundai Elantra when you were making those statements.

00:06:27.940 So this already is kicking it off on the wrong note.

00:06:31.500 This is not full transparency, in my opinion. 0.97

00:06:33.940 In my opinion, that cop lied to cover their asses for saying the wrong thing right at the beginning. 0.89

00:06:39.860 I'm sorry. 0.93

00:06:40.360 I realize the cops ultimately did a good job in finding the truth on this, but I'm not willing to go along with lies when they're staring me in the face.

00:06:48.340 And I think you guys know that about me.

00:06:51.820 Then came another one that I've got questions about, too.

00:06:56.060 And this related to the online crime forum into which a personality that was going by the name Papa Roger entered.

00:07:07.420 And we talked about this a bit on Wednesday, but many people believe that Papa Roger was actually Brian Kohlberger weighing in on the crime under an alias.

00:07:16.520 And we talked about how in his criminology classes at DeSales University, when he was obtaining his master's, they studied a killer, a mass killer named Elliot Rogers.

00:07:28.780 Pretty sure that's name.

00:07:29.820 That's right.

00:07:30.740 And yeah, Roger.

00:07:32.980 And that he had killed girls on campus with a knife, that he had targeted a couple of girls from Alpha Phi, which was the sorority Kaylee Gonsalves was in.

00:07:43.840 And there were other similarities between the two.

00:07:45.660 He was an incel, which Brian Kohlberger is believed to be, involuntarily celibate, very angry, misogynistic against women.

00:07:54.340 So there were some parallels.

00:07:56.280 And then the questions that Papa Roger was asking very much seemed like they could only be known by the killer.

00:08:01.620 In retrospect, he raised the question of the knife sheath.

00:08:04.060 They must have found the knife sheath.

00:08:05.640 He said that before we knew they found the knife sheath.

00:08:07.620 Who would know?

00:08:08.340 He was saying because because they seem to be like referring to a long blade knife, they must have found the knife sheath.

00:08:15.160 What?

00:08:15.660 Who would know that?

00:08:17.020 Who would say that?

00:08:17.800 And there was so much more.

00:08:18.900 I'm going to show you what the there was a documentary that's been hitting Amazon Prime is on Amazon Prime now called One Night in Idaho.

00:08:27.840 And in there, they interviewed one of the two women behind this crime website. 0.98

00:08:32.280 And she went through some of the similarities, some of the eerie questions that Papa Roger was asking on her website.

00:08:40.840 OK, here's that.

00:08:42.020 People ask questions on this page and they like, oh, I think so and so did it.

00:08:46.160 But he was so into like the crime scene and like the killer and why he did things.

00:08:51.580 In hindsight, I see something very much along the same lines as the questionnaire that Brian Koberger created for a school project.

00:09:02.940 He wanted like the thoughts and feelings into why somebody committed crime.

00:09:08.820 Papa Roger asked on our page, how did the killer leave the scene?

00:09:15.460 Koberger asked, how did you leave the scene?

00:09:18.040 His questionnaire.

00:09:19.000 Papa Roger said, did you clean up at all?

00:09:23.320 Brian Kober asked, before leaving, is there anything else you did?

00:09:27.820 The questions on his questionnaire are very similar to the questions that Papa Roger asked on our page.

00:09:36.380 One post in particular that really catches my attention is his very first post on November 30th.

00:09:43.580 Of the evidence released, the murder weapon has been consistent as a large fixed blade knife.

00:09:49.000 This leads me to believe they found the sheath.

00:09:53.480 That is so odd because we didn't hear anything about the sheath.

00:10:00.100 This has never been discussed publicly.

00:10:02.880 This is November 30th.

00:10:04.820 This is a full month before they even arrest him.

00:10:08.320 Okay, so that's the case for possibly it's Brian Koberger.

00:10:14.000 This too came up at the presser on Wednesday with the same cop who gave us the nonsense about the house was targeted.

00:10:21.100 And listen to what he said.

00:10:22.240 There was a social media account that surfaced that has gone on and had speculation that it was Brian Koberger.

00:10:32.060 Can you talk at all about the Papa Roger potential connection?

00:10:37.440 Right.

00:10:39.040 There was no connection.

00:10:41.060 There wasn't at all.

00:10:41.920 We looked into every bit of it.

00:10:44.520 We took a deep dive into it.

00:10:45.900 We researched it.

00:10:46.900 There was no connection.

00:10:52.440 By the way, it wound up being his partner standing next to him who took the question.

00:10:57.240 There was no connection.

00:10:59.400 We took a deep dive into it.

00:11:01.800 There was no connection.

00:11:03.560 We researched it.

00:11:05.200 We looked into every bit of it.

00:11:06.880 We took a deep dive into it.

00:11:09.100 I've got questions here too.

00:11:10.480 Um, well, then who was it?

00:11:15.140 Because it's knowable.

00:11:16.640 You can trace the IP address.

00:11:19.200 Why didn't he say we connected it to someone else?

00:11:23.000 Truly like, how do we know it wasn't Koberger?

00:11:25.920 I guess at best they couldn't prove that it was Koberger.

00:11:28.480 That seems to be what he's saying, that there was no connection, none that they could prove.

00:11:32.960 But what's to have stopped Brian Koberger from going to some random public library, not logging in with his real name or credentials and posting in a website?

00:11:46.440 Like, how do we know?

00:11:47.540 Maybe he did it at a place where there isn't a camera.

00:11:51.740 Maybe he got some sort of a burner phone that had internet access on it.

00:11:55.580 Like, I have no idea how he did it, but how are you ruling out that it was him?

00:11:59.660 The only way of ruling it out that it was him is to identify it as belonging to somebody else and to have spoken with that person and then to know that that person has admitted he was the poster.

00:12:10.580 I did not hear that.

00:12:11.940 And he, the guy scurried off cam, uh, again, it could be true.

00:12:15.980 I just, I have, I've got real questions, you guys.

00:12:19.160 I just do.

00:12:20.540 Um, and they've been so cagey about releasing any information for so long that I, I gotta be honest.

00:12:28.900 I, I don't really have full faith in this police department, not saying they didn't come up with great evidence.

00:12:34.040 It was kind of right there for the taking, but I'm not sure about how forthright this, uh, police department has been with us from the beginning.

00:12:42.160 Nevermind the DA, um, there's more.

00:12:45.160 Somebody asked, because you may remember that Kaylee Gonsalves' sister, Olivia, when she did her victim testimonial at the hearing on Wednesday, among many other powerful and memorable things, she said to Kohlberger something to the effect of where's the second murder weapon?

00:13:03.400 Where's the second weapon you used?

00:13:04.880 And now we have some idea why she said that, um, this is my own speculation to be clear.

00:13:11.940 It's because we've gotten more details on the murders themselves and in particular, what happened to each of the victims and Kaylee Gonsalves in particular, uh, was absolutely just brutally, brutally murdered.

00:13:28.100 I mean, they were all brutally murdered.

00:13:29.320 You know what I'm trying to say?

00:13:30.220 She, her injury seems to seem to have been extra in the severity and amount.

00:13:37.020 Um, this has just been released from a document.

00:13:39.860 This isn't from the presser, uh, coming from the police department.

00:13:43.440 They said that both Madison Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves, you remember they were found in the bed together.

00:13:49.240 It was actually very sad.

00:13:51.100 Madison was found.

00:13:52.340 They said she appeared to be laying up against Kaylee. 0.55

00:13:55.400 Madison had, this is Madison, not Kaylee yet.

00:13:58.040 Maddie had what appeared to be wounds to her forearm and hands. 0.56

00:14:01.400 So clearly it looks like Maddie did wake up and fought, tried to save herself.

00:14:06.280 Maddie had a gash under her right eye, which appeared to go from the corner of her eye to her nose.

00:14:12.420 Just for those of you picturing this at home, you know, Maddie's the one who had, um, the yellow sweatshirt and, um, who just, you know, she was constantly smiling.

00:14:23.540 Her eyes were like a little bit more like squinty.

00:14:26.600 Um, she looks a lot like Kaylee.

00:14:28.100 So I'm just trying to give you the visual if you're listening to this.

00:14:31.100 And, um, there's a picture for those of you who are watching it.

00:14:33.840 That's Maddie Mogan there.

00:14:34.880 So she appears to have woken up.

00:14:36.320 They said there was a gash underneath her right eye, which went from the corner of the eye to her nose.

00:14:41.020 So he was obviously slicing at her, but then they got to Kaylee in these documents and they said, Kaylee quoting here was unrecognizable as her facial structure was extremely damaged.

00:14:53.240 According to the report, both Maddie and Kaylee were stabbed in the lung and the liver.

00:14:59.380 Gonsalves also had two brain bleeds and a stab behind her clavicle, which cut the vein and artery.

00:15:06.560 A brain bleed would suggest the trauma to the head that she'd been hit, uh, in the head in some way.

00:15:13.900 She had over 20 stab wounds, as well as injuries connected with asphyxiation and blunt force trauma, blunt force trauma.

00:15:24.160 Kaylee Gonsalves is the only victim who suffered blunt force trauma, blunt force and asphyxial injuries.

00:15:31.300 In addition to sharp force wounds, um, and then I'll go on with the other injuries in a second, but Kaylee had particularly devastating injuries and they were extensive.

00:15:44.440 They did eventually give a number on the stab wounds, which poor Steve Gonsalves wanted so badly that he was calling Howard bloom to try to get them.

00:15:54.440 34 stab wounds of Kaylee Gonsalves, many of the wounds said to be on her face.

00:16:00.060 So she suffered blunt force injuries.

00:16:02.700 She was stabbed 34 times and she was asphyxiated.

00:16:08.380 And what they appear to be saying is that she fought, I mean, she fought heroically for her life and that he hit her with something blunt force trauma.

00:16:19.760 He hit her about the head.

00:16:21.020 She suffered two brain bleeds and, um, then it appears he strangled her.

00:16:27.700 I don't know whether that happened before or after the stabbings, but that's extremely dark and upsetting.

00:16:33.280 And can only think just how brave of Kaylee to try to fight that hard against somebody who was armed with a knife and she had nothing. 1.00

00:16:43.260 And her sister, Olivia accurately said, if you hadn't attacked her in the middle of the night, like a pedophile, she would have kicked your fucking ass. 1.00

00:16:51.380 That girl probably knew a lot more about those injuries. 1.00

00:16:54.940 And one of the questions she asked Kohlberger, I think as a result of all that, she knew at least some of it, though clearly not the number of stab wounds.

00:17:02.800 What was the second weapon you used?

00:17:04.860 I'm sure she's surmising that those injuries to her sister's face and head may have been caused by some sort of an object.

00:17:14.140 So that question came up at the presser the other day.

00:17:17.700 And here's how that went.

00:17:19.940 Take a listen here.

00:17:21.960 Is it possible that there was a second word or weapon used?

00:17:26.120 Not just the knife.

00:17:30.400 Is it possible?

00:17:31.500 All the evidence shows and tells us that he used a knife, a K-Bar knife.

00:17:38.040 And that's a weapon we believe was used to commit all the murders.

00:17:43.160 Right here?

00:17:44.540 It sounded like the Zalba's family said that there was a second weapon that was used on Kaylee in Zalba's.

00:17:51.500 Can you confirm to him?

00:17:52.640 Out of respect for the families, that's something that you'll have to get from them.

00:17:59.200 Um, if they wish to share that with you, it'd probably be through them, not through us.

00:18:02.980 What?

00:18:04.740 What?

00:18:05.680 Once again, they're just not being transparent.

00:18:09.180 Like, I'm not a cop on this case.

00:18:11.260 And I can easily say the amount of injuries to Kaylee Gonsalves suggested that she was attacked in a particularly acute way that involves something other than stabbing.

00:18:19.880 That would be my speculation on, on why they're wondering if there was a second weapon, a question we've asked ourselves to, but have no proof of.

00:18:28.040 Hello, it's not that hard.

00:18:29.320 I'm sorry to be so hard on the cops, guys, but this is really frustrating.

00:18:33.860 I don't, am I feeling it too, or am I being too hard?

00:18:36.220 I don't, I mean, they got their guy.

00:18:37.500 They, they got their guy, but this is just, just feels like not the fully transparent press conference we were owed once the gag order was lifted and the guy had been sentenced, pleaded guilty and sentenced.

00:18:49.860 I, I expected more.

00:18:50.880 And you can see, by the way, they both keep looking at each other like, you take it, you take it.

00:18:54.960 And they can't step away from the microphone fast enough.

00:18:58.220 It's like, this is just, as with the rest of the ending of this case, very deeply unsatisfying.

00:19:03.660 Um, okay, there was a question about whether Kohlberger did, in fact, have any connection to the girls or Ethan or the roommates or anybody in the house via social media.

00:19:17.700 Watch.

00:19:20.500 Frank Fisher with CBS News, 48 Hours.

00:19:23.300 Was there any evidence that Kohlberger was following the social media of any of the victims?

00:19:29.800 So, trust us, we wanted that to be the case.

00:19:34.920 Um, we've looked for a link and we have not found one, not one.

00:19:39.320 Yeah.

00:19:39.560 Through the entire investigation.

00:19:41.700 Uh, I think that's something that we need that you want is to help to understand this and say, well, what's the connection?

00:19:48.600 What was the link?

00:19:49.700 Um, and so we had every resource possible and we worked that tirelessly.

00:19:56.220 Um, both from everything from his side, but all the victims and all the members of the house from their side.

00:20:02.400 So, uh, we have never to this day found a single connection between him and any of the four victims or the two surviving roommates.

00:20:11.900 Now, that is very interesting.

00:20:14.660 And I believe him there, but, and it does undercut some reports we had heard late in the case that possibly he had followed one or more of the girls and possibly had liked a post here or there.

00:20:27.980 Um, they still don't know.

00:20:29.900 Steve Gonsalves watched Brian Kohlberger escorted out of the courtroom yesterday, still not knowing when the beginning of the end was.

00:20:38.880 That's what he said he wanted.

00:20:41.500 I want to know when was the beginning of the end?

00:20:45.180 What was the first contact you had with my daughter or one of her dear friends that led you to come into their house and do this to them?

00:20:52.360 I understand the need to know that.

00:20:54.820 We still don't know.

00:20:56.000 Cops don't know. 0.97

00:20:57.300 The best speculation I've heard is that possibly he saw Maddie in that vegan restaurant she waitressed at.

00:21:04.900 I mean, it's just a little too coincidental that he's this diehard vegan and she was a restaurant, she was a waitress in a restaurant that was vegan.

00:21:12.840 And, and, you know, there was some speculation, including on Dateline and other sources that have been spot on in this case, that Maddie was the intended target, even though the cops wouldn't say it there.

00:21:21.280 And keep in mind, Kaylee wasn't even supposed to be there that night.

00:21:24.320 So the guy, Kohlberger showed up.

00:21:26.760 He went right up to the third floor to Maddie's room, which was clearly hers.

00:21:29.620 Her pink cowboy boots were in the window.

00:21:32.620 And it appears was surprised.

00:21:35.860 There's Kaylee on the left and Maddie on the right.

00:21:37.860 And was, I think, was likely surprised to find Kaylee even there.

00:21:41.180 And unfortunately she was, you know, the victim of circumstance.

00:21:45.780 And so were Zanna and Ethan, not, not, not that being the intended target is any better or less, you know, you know what I'm trying to say.

00:21:54.940 So, yeah, anyway, that, that's, that's what appears to have happened.

00:22:00.140 I, I believe he probably met or saw Maddie at that vegan restaurant and developed a fixation with her because she was everything he couldn't have.

00:22:06.420 She was beautiful.

00:22:07.940 She was vibrant.

00:22:09.420 Her, her mother, you know, I believe it was her.

00:22:12.880 It was Maddie's mother was saying, you know, the irony of all this is like, if you had just talked to her, she would have been nice to you.

00:22:18.420 And the sister definitely said that about Kaylee.

00:22:20.480 She would have been nice to you. 0.85

00:22:21.700 Like she was such a cool person.

00:22:23.980 Both of these girls were so sweet. 1.00

00:22:26.540 Like she probably would have made you feel better about your awkward, inappropriate conversation.

00:22:29.960 That's what Olivia, Kaylee's sister was saying.

00:22:32.300 And I, I believe that every, every account about these women, you don't hear like,

00:22:35.720 she was catty. 1.00

00:22:36.380 She was petty.

00:22:36.960 She talked about other girls.

00:22:37.860 She had a lot of enemies.

00:22:38.740 It was like, they lit up the room when they walked in.

00:22:41.380 These girls were everything Brian Kohlberger desired and couldn't have.

00:22:47.760 And he needed to snuff out the beautiful life inside of them to make himself feel like something.

00:22:53.100 Like he mattered.

00:22:55.160 That's as close as we're ever going to get.

00:22:57.080 So we're learning more about all these roommates too here.

00:23:01.300 That's Xana on the left.

00:23:02.360 That's Dylan on the right.

00:23:03.560 And in the center are the four murder victims.

00:23:06.460 The two surviving roommates flanking the four who were killed.

00:23:10.060 Kaylee on the bottom, Maddie up top, Ethan standing, and Xana on second to the right with

00:23:15.980 the darker hair.

00:23:18.540 Here's some more details.

00:23:20.000 This is disturbing.

00:23:20.880 I guess I should have said that at the top before I read what happened to Maddie and

00:23:24.280 Kaylee, forgive me, but here's some more that we've learned from the around 300 documents

00:23:28.980 that were released, though.

00:23:29.880 They say that potentially thousands will be coming.

00:23:32.840 So there's going to be a lot of updates in this case, as there should be.

00:23:35.860 There shouldn't have been the, the gag order.

00:23:37.940 There was, I know some stuff has to go under. 0.92

00:23:39.820 I mean, of course, to make a criminal case, but like, it's just ridiculous.

00:23:43.440 What a lid they kept on everything, gagging the family members. 1.00

00:23:46.220 That was so inappropriate.

00:23:47.700 And by the way, yesterday or Wednesday, when I watched the hearing and I listened to Steve

00:23:53.360 Gonsalves and I heard some of the details, all I could think was, I'll bet you it was

00:23:56.340 Steve Gonsalves who, who cooperated with Dateline.

00:23:58.620 He's been appearing on Dateline.

00:24:00.180 The Gonsalves has have, they didn't appear in that one day in Idaho documentary.

00:24:04.520 Probably the way it works in TV is you cut an exclusive deal with somebody and then you

00:24:08.380 can't do another one, but it was curious.

00:24:10.500 He wasn't in it because he's been so outspoken and there's nothing wrong with that.

00:24:14.140 I mean, I don't mean to impugn him in any way, but I'll just bet you that Steve Gonsalves

00:24:18.580 knew some things from law enforcement and shared them with Dateline because he was incredibly

00:24:22.200 frustrated that nothing was getting out there.

00:24:24.280 And I bet he did want people to know, um, and he didn't jeopardize the case.

00:24:29.260 In fact, you know, look, cases go to trial all the time with a lot of the evidence haven't

00:24:33.860 been shared with the jury pool and with the public.

00:24:37.340 That's what voir dire is for.

00:24:38.960 So you can find the jurors and there are plenty of them who have not been infected by all that

00:24:43.560 stuff hitting the gen pop.

00:24:45.200 It happens all the time.

00:24:46.780 They get screened that, sorry, what do you think happened with Diddy?

00:24:50.500 Like we all saw so much of that evidence.

00:24:52.640 Who didn't see the CNN tape?

00:24:54.080 Like, anyway, I'm off on a tangent.

00:24:56.620 Let me keep going.

00:24:58.120 They reported that in the, in these papers that the kitchen door of the murder house,

00:25:02.180 1122 King road was a jar when officers arrived and blood was smeared on the walls and the

00:25:11.120 floors, coating the four college students' belongings and pooling by their bodies, which

00:25:18.000 were in different areas of the house.

00:25:19.520 It was smeared on the walls and the floors.

00:25:23.940 I don't know how it got smeared.

00:25:26.460 I don't really want to think about it, to be honest with you.

00:25:28.880 You know, I think about like Xana Kronodl, who he appears to have attacked just outside

00:25:35.000 of her bedroom or possibly in the doorway of the bedroom, but he was leaving the first

00:25:39.580 two murders when he encountered her awake.

00:25:42.120 And I don't think he bargained on that.

00:25:44.820 We learned that he drove his car.

00:25:46.520 It appears he drove his car away from the murder house for a couple of minutes around 4am.

00:25:50.660 And that's when her door dash came, her, her food.

00:25:53.840 It's possible he didn't know anyone in that house was still awake.

00:25:57.340 And he'd been sitting there for over an hour, probably just waiting for all the lights to

00:26:01.600 go out.

00:26:02.820 In any event, um, I don't know, you know, did she try to drag herself back to Ethan?

00:26:09.120 Did someone try to drag themselves? 0.66

00:26:11.540 I don't know why there'd be smearing of blood or possibly just a hand on a wall as the girls 1.00

00:26:17.960 fought or someone fought.

00:26:19.180 It's just so awful.

00:26:20.040 Um, some of the victims who were stabbed multiple times quoting here were covered in

00:26:26.960 so much blood officers responding to the home at first were not able to sort out what

00:26:32.680 their additional injuries were.

00:26:35.740 In other words, they were so bloodied up.

00:26:37.320 They couldn't see, for example, it sounds like in the case possibly of Kaylee, how bad

00:26:42.140 the, the beating was that she took, or maybe in the case of Maddie that she'd been stabbed 1.00

00:26:46.100 or sliced across her face as well, there was just so much blood and you, you know, from

00:26:50.000 Howard Bloom's reporting and he's had good contacts on both sides that, and when we saw

00:26:56.120 pictures that the house was dripping blood on the outside, there was blood dripping on

00:27:01.500 the outside.

00:27:02.100 It was like the house was bleeding.

00:27:04.320 There was so much blood.

00:27:05.660 And he wrote of the police officer who felt he could smell blood.

00:27:10.300 He walked into that house and it was such a bloody murder scene.

00:27:13.480 And he, he could smell blood and felt sick.

00:27:18.480 Um, just the, um, okay.

00:27:23.960 They said, uh, I think this is from, uh, let's see quote.

00:27:27.980 I was unable to comprehend, comprehend exactly what I was looking at while trying to discern

00:27:32.780 the nature of the injuries.

00:27:34.140 One cop wrote in the newly released files, unable to comprehend exactly what I was looking

00:27:39.060 at.

00:27:39.300 I talked to you about what they found in Kaylee and Maddie, um, both stabbed in the lung and

00:27:46.960 the liver.

00:27:47.840 And then also Gonsalves Kaylee with two brain bleeds, a stab behind her clavicle, which cut

00:27:53.100 the vein in the artery, had over 20 stab wounds.

00:27:55.280 Now we know it was 34 as well as injuries contact connected with asphyxiation and blunt force

00:28:00.380 trauma.

00:28:00.800 Uh, Kaylee was the only one who suffered blunt force trauma and asphyxiated injuries.

00:28:06.700 They said, in addition to sharp force wounds, Zanna Kurnodal, who was killed.

00:28:12.380 We believe third, the police say he went up to the top floor, killed the first two went

00:28:17.680 down.

00:28:18.040 Zanna and Ethan were sharing a bedroom on second floor, had defensive night knife wounds on her 0.96

00:28:22.880 hands.

00:28:23.440 Again, not surprising.

00:28:24.540 She was awake.

00:28:25.140 And remember that we heard Dylan, who was the surviving roommate who would see him later

00:28:29.660 said, she heard something like whimpering and him saying a male voice saying that something

00:28:36.420 like, it's going to be okay.

00:28:37.980 Like, I'm going to take care of you or something.

00:28:40.740 Give me the team, please producers.

00:28:43.560 Give me, give me the quote.

00:28:44.540 Um, but she heard him say something like, it's going to be okay.

00:28:51.840 And, and obviously then he killed her.

00:28:54.800 It's just so brutal.

00:28:56.240 This poor young girl, 21 years old with, she must've been absolutely terrified.

00:29:02.780 Like think of how terrified Dylan Mortensen was when you heard her testify on Wednesday.

00:29:08.760 She's still living with the terror of that a year later.

00:29:11.360 Think of in the moment, this young girl in her home, standing face to face with a killer

00:29:16.200 in a balaclava mask, dressed in black, holding a bloody knife.

00:29:21.220 I mean, it's just unfathomable.

00:29:24.680 And they said Zanna had defensive knife wounds on her hands.

00:29:29.000 It was obvious, say the police that an intense struggle had occurred.

00:29:33.240 Oh, Karnodal's fatal injuries were stab wounds to her lung and her heart.

00:29:38.580 She had over 50 stab wounds, mostly defensive.

00:29:43.160 That poor girl, she fought to save her life. 0.99

00:29:46.480 And amazingly, it seems like somehow Ethan slept through it.

00:29:51.980 Um, maybe the fight was down the hall.

00:29:55.080 I don't know, but he appears to have been stabbed and killed in the bed that the pair of them were

00:30:00.300 sharing.

00:30:00.740 Still on Zanna here, they say police found her lying on her back in her bloodstained underwear

00:30:07.920 and shirt with defensive knife wounds to her hand, including a deep gash between her index finger and 0.96

00:30:14.060 her thumb on the left hand.

00:30:16.620 Both her shirt and her underwear were covered in blood.

00:30:19.860 Zanna's face and body were covered in dried blood.

00:30:23.320 According to the coroner's report, Ethan Chapin's fatal injury was from a stab wound under his left

00:30:30.260 clavicle, which, which severed his subclavian vein and subclavian artery and also his jugular.

00:30:38.320 So he took care of Ethan.

00:30:41.780 I mean, I don't know.

00:30:43.000 There's nothing in here about carving.

00:30:44.760 That was reported by Dateline that Ethan's leg was carved.

00:30:49.740 That's not in here.

00:30:51.760 I don't know whether it's because that was untrue or they just didn't include it.

00:30:56.280 The coroner determined that the murder weapon was not serrated, you know, like a jagged edge.

00:31:01.840 It was a single edged, very sharp weapon and concluded that a lot of force was used.

00:31:08.300 It's just the brutality of it.

00:31:10.160 I mean, poor Zanna Kornodal, 50 stab wounds from this guy that, you know,

00:31:15.680 is obviously bigger than she is.

00:31:17.340 He's got all the advantages.

00:31:18.780 Who's running high on adrenaline from these murders he's already committed.

00:31:22.260 And she's there in her underwear, you know, drunk, I think, from having been out with 0.98

00:31:26.960 her boyfriend.

00:31:28.220 I mean, no one's prepared.

00:31:30.220 It's not like you're in a dangerous place and you're on alert and your fight or flight instinct

00:31:34.180 is there.

00:31:34.680 The line she allegedly uttered, as heard by her roommate downstairs, now she did, not

00:31:42.580 that she uttered, that he uttered and she heard was, it's okay, I'm going to help you.

00:31:47.660 It's okay, I'm going to help you.

00:31:50.140 I suppose that could have been Ethan, but it sounds like Ethan was asleep.

00:31:56.540 There's more.

00:31:57.280 When investigators canvassed the Moscow area to see where locally, if anywhere, the killer

00:32:02.720 might have bought the knife, they visited numerous sporting goods and hardware stores

00:32:07.140 to no avail.

00:32:08.840 We now know he bought it on Amazon.

00:32:11.020 Then at Walmart, while perusing knives on display, the Walmart employee helping Kohlberger

00:32:17.400 said that about two to three weeks ago, or helping the cops said that about two to three weeks

00:32:24.280 ago, a white college aged male asked for a black ski mask that would cover his face.

00:32:30.620 She was unable to provide much detail other than he was taller than she was and maybe had

00:32:35.040 a tan skin complexion.

00:32:36.640 And then she told him they only had camo ski masks available and he walked away.

00:32:42.820 Was that Kohlberger?

00:32:44.900 We believe he got the knife on Amazon.

00:32:46.980 Did he look for the balaclava ski mask at a Walmart?

00:32:50.200 And did this particular employee see him and deal with him?

00:32:52.700 He doesn't have tan skin, just one of the leads they appear to have been trying to track

00:32:58.200 down.

00:32:59.700 Investigators also spoke with Kohlberger's fellow students at Washington State University.

00:33:04.760 This is new.

00:33:05.420 A fellow teaching assistant said the two discussed that Kohlberger wanted a girlfriend, and they

00:33:10.860 discussed that on many occasions.

00:33:12.760 Back to the incel theory, Kohlberger also liked to discuss his area of study, which was

00:33:17.580 criminal decision making and burglary type crimes.

00:33:20.240 The student also told investigators about some injuries he witnessed on Kohlberger's face

00:33:25.880 and hands.

00:33:27.660 And while he was unsure of the date, he thought he had noticed the injuries on two separate

00:33:31.280 occasions in October and November 2022.

00:33:34.380 The murders were on November 13th, the wee hours of Saturday into Sunday.

00:33:38.980 One was a large scratch on Kohlberger's face, which the student described as looking like

00:33:44.520 scratches from fingernails.

00:33:46.640 The student also saw wounds to Kohlberger's knuckles on two separate occasions.

00:33:52.280 And when he asked Kohlberger what happened, he replied that he had been in a car accident.

00:33:56.480 Well, we had not heard about any car accident.

00:33:58.980 Can we put the picture on the board of him in the white shirt the morning of the murders?

00:34:03.880 I mean, we've done a lot of speculating over this picture, but it's very interesting.

00:34:07.900 Now, this person who was apparently both a PhD student and a TA, just like Brian was,

00:34:14.500 had a talk with him and had seen him and suggested wounds on the knuckles.

00:34:19.300 You will notice in this picture, only the left hand shows the thumbs up.

00:34:23.000 The right hand's not visible and he's showing the knuckles and they're fine.

00:34:27.240 I mean, I'm assuming he was right-handed as the vast majority of the populace is.

00:34:30.680 It is possible he had marks on the other hand and on the knuckles.

00:34:37.320 I remember we all looked for those on the cross-country trip back home with his father.

00:34:41.360 Didn't see much, but that was weeks after the murders.

00:34:44.140 I think at least three weeks after.

00:34:46.760 I don't know about you, but if I have a bruise, it goes away faster than three weeks.

00:34:50.660 And he's a lot younger than I am.

00:34:52.880 I don't see any scratch on his face.

00:34:54.660 You can't quite see the left profile over by the ear.

00:34:59.840 And let's face it, he's so white here. 0.70

00:35:02.460 It's possible the guy's wearing makeup.

00:35:04.560 I actually wondered about that before because he looks bloodless.

00:35:08.560 He really looks like a vampire.

00:35:10.620 And it's possible he wore makeup and it's possible he was covering up a scratch.

00:35:15.380 And you know what, guys?

00:35:16.480 It's possible he took this picture not fully in celebration of his dastardly deed,

00:35:21.020 but as proof he didn't do it, you know, in his mind.

00:35:25.660 Oh, I was just like taking a thumbs up.

00:35:27.840 It's just a random selfie.

00:35:28.940 It didn't mean anything.

00:35:29.780 And maybe he thought this was a way of showing he didn't have marks on knuckles or face.

00:35:35.660 And maybe he was clever enough to use makeup and to hide the right hand.

00:35:40.240 It's an interesting question.

00:35:43.040 Bethany Funk, who is the other surviving roommate who was in the basement and really heard nothing.

00:35:47.900 She gave a testimonial through a friend at the hearing on Wednesday that she slept through

00:35:53.400 the whole night.

00:35:53.960 She woke up at seven.

00:35:55.840 Well, we know that Dylan ran into her room around 4.30 because Dylan was scared in her

00:36:00.420 own room, not knowing what to do.

00:36:02.040 And that she texted with Bethany.

00:36:04.220 They got themselves freaked out.

00:36:05.740 And Dylan ran into Bethany's room.

00:36:07.960 But then it sounds like the two of them went to sleep.

00:36:10.180 And Bethany, through her friend, testified that the friend reading her statement.

00:36:14.800 She woke up at seven in the morning.

00:36:16.480 She had a toothache.

00:36:17.160 She called her dad, who's a dentist.

00:36:18.480 He told her to take two Advil.

00:36:19.800 She did.

00:36:20.240 She went back to sleep.

00:36:21.940 But Bethany also described to investigators an unnerving incident early in November 2022,

00:36:26.740 that's the month of the murders, that she recalled Kaylee Gonsalves had told her about.

00:36:32.500 Bethany talked about an incident with Kaylee, who stated about a month earlier, she had seen

00:36:37.440 an unknown male up above their house to the South, who was staring at her when she, Kaylee, took

00:36:45.700 Murphy, the dog, out to relieve himself.

00:36:49.640 Kaylee had told everyone about it.

00:36:51.720 And she even called her roommates to ask if they would be home soon, according to Bethany.

00:36:56.360 Dylan Mortensen also weighed in, saying there had been lighthearted talks and jokes made about

00:37:00.700 a stalker in the past, and that, quote, all the girls were slightly nervous about it being a fact.

00:37:05.680 Just nine days before the attack, the roommates came home at 11 a.m. November 4th to find their

00:37:10.880 front door open, loose on its hinges, as the wind blew.

00:37:14.420 Concerned they grabbed golf clubs from one of the first floor bedrooms and checked the house for a

00:37:18.860 possible intruder, Gonsalves was away for the weekend.

00:37:22.580 Bethany Funk told police her interview, in her interview, that Zanna Cronodal's father came and fixed the

00:37:28.500 door. On the night of the killings, Bethany said between 4 and 4.20 a.m. when prosecutors say the

00:37:34.040 murders happened, she heard what she thought was a firework and saw a spark on the ground from under her

00:37:42.360 door, then heard Murphy barking. What could that have been? He didn't use a gun. What could that

00:37:49.820 have been? A firework and a spark on the ground from under her door, then heard the dog barking.

00:37:58.280 Kohlberger was arrested, as you know, on December 30th at his parents' home in Pennsylvania,

00:38:05.840 and there are more details on that. When he was arrested, he repeatedly probed investigators asking

00:38:11.640 why he was in custody and what they wanted to know from him. I mean, he knew. He just wanted to figure

00:38:16.780 out what they knew. At the same time, he acted as though he had only peripheral knowledge of the

00:38:21.640 quadruple homicide that had occurred in Moscow one month prior. Kohlberger was brought to the

00:38:27.240 Pennsylvania State Police Barracks, put in an interview room, and made small talk with cops,

00:38:32.060 telling one detective that he looked familiar and looked like someone he used to know. Oh, so chummy,

00:38:36.540 like he was with the judge the other day. I respectfully declined. Oh, you're such a good

00:38:41.140 boy, Brian. Yes, you're getting an A on the test of faking polite young man who wouldn't commit

00:38:46.600 quadruple murder. It's amazing how this seems important to him. Kohlberger said he, quote,

00:38:53.760 understood why they were engaging in small talk, but would appreciate it if we could explain to him

00:38:59.940 what he was doing there. The detective, whose face he had noticed, asked why he thought we were there.

00:39:09.440 So the detective said to him, why do you think we're here? Kohlberger responded he wanted the

00:39:14.700 detective to tell him. The detective said we were there because of what occurred in Moscow,

00:39:19.080 but did not provide further detail. This is according to the police report. The detective then

00:39:23.460 asked Kohlberger if he watched the news. Kohlberger responded, I do. I watch the news. The detective said

00:39:29.720 they were there because of, quote, what happened in November just off the University of Idaho campus.

00:39:34.080 As if Kohlberger knew what that was, Kohlberger replied, of course, elaborating when prompted that

00:39:39.320 it was the incident we had been investigating for how long has it been? As if he didn't know.

00:39:45.420 He said he was aware of a homicide because of a Wash U alert that he had received, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:52.160 Wasn't certain when he had gotten it. When asked by the detective if he wanted to talk about that,

00:39:55.940 Kohlberger replied, well, I think I would need a lawyer. It's basically confessing. If you're

00:40:02.440 going to talk to me about that, I need a lawyer. Kohlberger then asked if we would explain to him

00:40:07.660 what we were there for specifically and then added he was tired. Investigators had questions and things

00:40:14.300 we hoped Kohlberger would help us understand, the detective explained. Kohlberger sat back and said

00:40:19.460 he had the utmost respect for law enforcement. There he goes again. I respectfully decline. I'm a good boy,

00:40:24.780 you see, but stated it was a constitutional right to speak to an attorney. Kohlberger reengaged again,

00:40:32.480 however, and asked what questions we would have for him. He wanted to figure out what they knew.

00:40:38.080 He was desperate to try to figure it out. What specifically we wanted to talk to him about and

00:40:42.760 the reason. At other points in the chat, he talked about his interest in criminal justice, saying he thought

00:40:48.600 about becoming a police officer, but did not want to make the commitment unless he was absolutely sure.

00:40:53.660 We know that he sought an internship with a, with the Pullman, Washington police department,

00:40:58.800 that officer who interviewed him gave an interview this week saying he was not warm enough. He was not

00:41:06.160 enough of a people person for them to give him the job. They could tell members of the community would

00:41:10.560 not want to talk to him. So good, good call. Pullman, Washington cops. When asked what led him down

00:41:16.420 the road of becoming a professor, Kohlberger said it was because he loved being in college

00:41:20.700 and stated knowledge was far more important to him than money. He also told cops in the room that he

00:41:27.260 was raised Christian, but was always a skeptic, except when confronted with the beauty of the natural

00:41:33.000 world. Well, you're going to find out real soon what, what Christian beliefs are true, like a belief in

00:41:40.720 heaven and hell and guess where you're going. And it's probably going to be before you reach your

00:41:45.180 40th birthday, possibly sooner. The inmates that he was housed with are also on record here. The

00:41:52.980 cops went and asked them questions about Kohlberger. That's interesting. He was described by fellow inmates

00:41:57.880 who encountered him in jail as quote, highly intelligent. We heard that from his lab partner

00:42:03.260 at DeSales too, that talked about him being extremely smart and everyone in the, in the room

00:42:08.020 knew it, including Kohlberger that he was polite. This is the inmates back to them, but that he had

00:42:14.000 quote, annoying habits. Kohlberger, they said would wash his hands dozens of times each day, would spend

00:42:19.780 45 minutes to an hour in the shower, would be awake almost all night and would only take a nap during

00:42:26.600 the day. That is somewhat consistent with the story. His lawyer was trying to weave about how he would go

00:42:32.660 on drives in the middle of the night and stargaze. Now we all understood she was saying that as his

00:42:40.040 quote alibi, which that's not an alibi as a measure of getting him off, but it's not hard to believe he

00:42:47.660 actually did do those things. We know that he was casing the murder house around those hours prior to

00:42:53.520 the murder. And it's possible Brian Kohlberger really did have an insomnia problem that he suffered

00:42:59.200 from in jail, or it's possible the thought of facing the firing squad called caused one for him. In any event,

00:43:06.500 another inmate saying he really didn't sleep and he obsessively washed his hands. Uh, they said on one

00:43:13.060 occasion, the fellow inmate overheard Kohlberger video chatting with his mother, which the inmate said he did

00:43:18.100 for hours a day. That's so annoying. How does he get to talk to his mother for over hours a day? Kaylee's never

00:43:23.660 gonna get to talk to her mother again. Maddie's never going to get to talk to her mother again. Ethan's

00:43:27.460 never going to get to talk to his mother again. Zanna's never going to get to talk to her mother

00:43:30.660 again. How does Brian Kohlberger get to talk to his mother for hours on end via video chat from a jail

00:43:35.580 cell? That shit better stop now that he's in maximum security. He listened to it and the inmate who 1.00

00:43:44.560 was watching sports in the, in the neighboring cell, I think said, you suck to one of the players on the 0.99

00:43:49.800 team. At which point Kohlberger immediately got up, put his face to the bars and aggressively asked 0.98

00:43:54.100 if the inmate was talking about him or his mother. Yeah, you're super protective of women, Brian.

00:44:02.060 The inmate said this was the only time he saw Kohlberger lose his temper. One officer wrote an

00:44:09.220 inmate in the same facility stated he's a fucking weirdo and that he wasn't worried. If he wasn't 0.99

00:44:15.960 worried about the legal repercussions, he, the inmate would have physically assaulted

00:44:19.640 Kohlberger. When asked if he thinks Kohlberger is guilty, the inmate said, his eyes tell a story.

00:44:26.880 And I think that's true. I mean, his, his most recent mugshot is extra creepy. I mean,

00:44:31.980 you could see now he knows exactly what's about to happen to him. Um, and, and he knows

00:44:38.860 he's infamous. Look at that. Look at him staring so intently into the camera.

00:44:44.900 He's trying to tell us something. It can't be. I got away with it at best. It's I got away with not

00:44:52.420 telling you exactly why I did it. Oh, okay. Let that be of comfort to you as you're bent over and

00:44:57.880 raped in prison and ultimately shivved, which is probably what's coming your way, buddy. Feel great 0.98

00:45:03.160 about it until you feel nothing at all. That's it. He's now in the Idaho max security prison.

00:45:11.200 Brian Enten of news nation went and toured it. Uh, this is the most severe correctional facility

00:45:16.380 that they have in Idaho. It's housing some very dangerous criminals, including Chad Daybell

00:45:22.060 of the Lori Daybell, the Lori Vallow Daybell murder mystery. He was convicted of killing his ex-wife and

00:45:29.660 the two children of his second wife, Lori Vallow Daybell. He's there. Thomas Creech convicted of five

00:45:35.700 murders. He's confessed to at least 26 others. That's Brian's new roommate. Well,

00:45:40.680 prison mate, enjoy that. The New York post going so far as to report the first meal

00:45:47.200 he likely had for dinner on Wednesday. If he made it back in time for dinner,

00:45:51.080 um, vegans would have been offered vegan, barley casserole, baked beans, and canned fruit.

00:45:57.080 If he's abandoned the whole vegan thing, he would have had hot dog salad and jello pie.

00:46:02.380 It's so satisfying to think of this guy having to eat jello pie and canned fruit. Great.

00:46:09.140 I'll end on this creepy detail. Uh, eagle-eyed court watchers zoomed in on a drawing that was next to

00:46:20.060 Brian Kohlberger at the hearing on Wednesday. And what they saw was a picture. It looks hand-drawn

00:46:26.460 of a square inside of which is a black heart. How fitting. Clearly he drew it though. He never

00:46:39.080 glanced down at it or even moved it as he listened to the testimonials in court. The post reporting,

00:46:46.740 however, immediately after the hearing ended, one of Kohlberger's attorneys was spotted scooping up

00:46:52.220 the piece of paper. They're cited NBC news for that. The lawyer appeared to ask the killer about

00:46:58.800 the heart before smiling and taking the sketch with her. The back of the paper bore a handwritten

00:47:05.160 note. It was not immediately clear what the two said to each other. How appropriate a black heart, 0.79

00:47:13.660 a dark heart full of nothing, no love, no sadness, no empathy, no regret, no hope, no joy,

00:47:26.600 just nothing. That's what he said about himself in those earlier musings that he posted. It was clearly

00:47:33.760 him never officially confirmed as a teenager that he felt like just a piece of hamburger meat

00:47:40.320 that when his father hugged him, he felt nothing. He feels nothing for his mother, nor his father,

00:47:47.700 nor those young people he murdered, nothing, which is why it was so brilliant. How Olivia Gonsalves spoke

00:47:54.800 to him as the nothing he is as the joke he's become. You think you're so smart. Did you really

00:48:01.660 think you could cover up the purchase of the knife with an Amazon gift card that they wouldn't figure it

00:48:08.340 out? You think you're so smart. You're so stupid. Who would leave behind the knife sheet? Who would

00:48:15.540 forget to make a pattern out of turning off their phone when the wee hours of the morning came? I mean,

00:48:22.660 he led the police directly to him, Mr. PhD student. And now he'll pay the price. It's not the price we

00:48:31.300 wanted. Not yet. And we'll move on from this case and hope there's not another. It is important to

00:48:39.340 remember the beautiful lives of those four gorgeous people in the truest sense of that word. You know,

00:48:45.960 they make me want to be a little nicer, don't they? I pray every Sunday in church that I can find it

00:48:52.240 within myself to be a little kinder, a little better, a little more forgiving. And you look at these

00:48:59.260 four and they really do inspire you. Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, and Zanna Karnodel.

00:49:07.620 Thank you for being an example in how to live. I'm so very deeply sorry for how your lives ended.

00:49:16.420 We won't forget you. God bless them. God bless their families. And we'll talk to you all on Monday.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 25, 2025

Megyn Kelly Breaks Down the Kohberger Sentencing Fallout - From Bombshell Police Documents to Press Conference ｜ Ep. 1116

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