Megyn Kelly Breaks Down the Kohberger Sentencing Fallout - From Bombshell Police Documents to Press Conference ｜ Ep. 1116
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On Wednesday, Brian Kohlberger was sentenced for the murder of five people in an Idaho home. The victims' families had the chance to address him in person, face-to-face. He showed no remorse, and offered no explanation for the crimes. Now, the question is, who was the target?
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We covered the Brian Kohlberger sentencing on Wednesday.
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And the families of the victims finally had the chance to address their loved one's killer in person, face-to-face.
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Throughout the emotional victim impact statements, Kohlberger showed no remorse whatsoever.
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And offered no explanation for the murders of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Zanna Cronodal.
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He is now at his new home, the Idaho Maximum Security Institution.
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Since the sentencing, we have learned a lot of new details from the unsealed documents around this crime.
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I want to start by saying I've got some questions about what the Idaho cops are saying.
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So they had a presser right after the Kohlberger hearing on Wednesday happened and finally answered some questions, which they haven't done at all.
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And the first one related to, do you remember when the crime first happened?
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They put out a statement saying this was a targeted crime and that the community in Moscow, Idaho, did not need to worry.
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And everyone had questions like, well, how do you know that?
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So how can you speak to what was in his head that it was targeted?
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Chief, from the very beginning, your department was saying this was a targeted attack.
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Can you now say who was the target and what's your evidence to show that?
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I'll turn that question over to the investigators to answer that one.
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Well, I think Darren and I have, the evidence suggests that there was a reason that this particular house was chosen.
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We don't know who the target was, and we're not going to speculate on that up here today.
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But we can tell you that for whatever reason, Mr. Koberter chose that residence.
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But that's, to the best of my knowledge, that's what that statement likely led to.
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They said it was targeted, I assume, because they wanted to keep the panic level down.
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If there was reason to panic, then you need to let the community know that there was a killer on the loose who just murdered four people in the span of 12 minutes.
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And you had no business saying that it was targeted and like suggesting people didn't need to worry.
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We had no idea in those initial moments and days who the killer was or whether he was going to target somebody else.
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You were trying to lower the temperature, but you had no information that the temperature should be lowered.
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And now here we get this guy saying we said targeted because we knew he had targeted that home.
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He's saying we knew he targeted the house because his car was casing the house, both in the hours before the murders and for weeks and months before.
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So, yeah, he had his eyes on this house, but that's such a ridiculous cop out.
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How do you know it wasn't Madison Mogan inside the house or for that matter, Zana Kurnodal?
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You're just trying to say it was the house to justify that you said targeted in the beginning before you knew anything.
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And by the way, you didn't know that his house had cased the joint when you said that.
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You had no idea it was even a white Hyundai Elantra when you were making those statements.
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So this already is kicking it off on the wrong note.
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In my opinion, that cop lied to cover their asses for saying the wrong thing right at the beginning.
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I realize the cops ultimately did a good job in finding the truth on this, but I'm not willing to go along with lies when they're staring me in the face.
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Then came another one that I've got questions about, too.
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And this related to the online crime forum into which a personality that was going by the name Papa Roger entered.
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And we talked about this a bit on Wednesday, but many people believe that Papa Roger was actually Brian Kohlberger weighing in on the crime under an alias.
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And we talked about how in his criminology classes at DeSales University, when he was obtaining his master's, they studied a killer, a mass killer named Elliot Rogers.
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And that he had killed girls on campus with a knife, that he had targeted a couple of girls from Alpha Phi, which was the sorority Kaylee Gonsalves was in.
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And there were other similarities between the two.
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He was an incel, which Brian Kohlberger is believed to be, involuntarily celibate, very angry, misogynistic against women.
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And then the questions that Papa Roger was asking very much seemed like they could only be known by the killer.
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In retrospect, he raised the question of the knife sheath.
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He said that before we knew they found the knife sheath.
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He was saying because because they seem to be like referring to a long blade knife, they must have found the knife sheath.
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I'm going to show you what the there was a documentary that's been hitting Amazon Prime is on Amazon Prime now called One Night in Idaho.
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And in there, they interviewed one of the two women behind this crime website.
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And she went through some of the similarities, some of the eerie questions that Papa Roger was asking on her website.
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People ask questions on this page and they like, oh, I think so and so did it.
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But he was so into like the crime scene and like the killer and why he did things.
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In hindsight, I see something very much along the same lines as the questionnaire that Brian Koberger created for a school project.
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He wanted like the thoughts and feelings into why somebody committed crime.
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Papa Roger asked on our page, how did the killer leave the scene?
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Brian Kober asked, before leaving, is there anything else you did?
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The questions on his questionnaire are very similar to the questions that Papa Roger asked on our page.
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One post in particular that really catches my attention is his very first post on November 30th.
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Of the evidence released, the murder weapon has been consistent as a large fixed blade knife.
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This leads me to believe they found the sheath.
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That is so odd because we didn't hear anything about the sheath.
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This is a full month before they even arrest him.
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Okay, so that's the case for possibly it's Brian Koberger.
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This too came up at the presser on Wednesday with the same cop who gave us the nonsense about the house was targeted.
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There was a social media account that surfaced that has gone on and had speculation that it was Brian Koberger.
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Can you talk at all about the Papa Roger potential connection?
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By the way, it wound up being his partner standing next to him who took the question.
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Why didn't he say we connected it to someone else?
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I guess at best they couldn't prove that it was Koberger.
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That seems to be what he's saying, that there was no connection, none that they could prove.
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But what's to have stopped Brian Koberger from going to some random public library, not logging in with his real name or credentials and posting in a website?
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Maybe he did it at a place where there isn't a camera.
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Maybe he got some sort of a burner phone that had internet access on it.
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Like, I have no idea how he did it, but how are you ruling out that it was him?
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The only way of ruling it out that it was him is to identify it as belonging to somebody else and to have spoken with that person and then to know that that person has admitted he was the poster.
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And he, the guy scurried off cam, uh, again, it could be true.
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I just, I have, I've got real questions, you guys.
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Um, and they've been so cagey about releasing any information for so long that I, I gotta be honest.
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I, I don't really have full faith in this police department, not saying they didn't come up with great evidence.
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It was kind of right there for the taking, but I'm not sure about how forthright this, uh, police department has been with us from the beginning.
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Somebody asked, because you may remember that Kaylee Gonsalves' sister, Olivia, when she did her victim testimonial at the hearing on Wednesday, among many other powerful and memorable things, she said to Kohlberger something to the effect of where's the second murder weapon?
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And now we have some idea why she said that, um, this is my own speculation to be clear.
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It's because we've gotten more details on the murders themselves and in particular, what happened to each of the victims and Kaylee Gonsalves in particular, uh, was absolutely just brutally, brutally murdered.
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She, her injury seems to seem to have been extra in the severity and amount.
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Um, this has just been released from a document.
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This isn't from the presser, uh, coming from the police department.
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They said that both Madison Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves, you remember they were found in the bed together.
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They said she appeared to be laying up against Kaylee.
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Maddie had what appeared to be wounds to her forearm and hands.
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So clearly it looks like Maddie did wake up and fought, tried to save herself.
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Maddie had a gash under her right eye, which appeared to go from the corner of her eye to her nose.
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Just for those of you picturing this at home, you know, Maddie's the one who had, um, the yellow sweatshirt and, um, who just, you know, she was constantly smiling.
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Her eyes were like a little bit more like squinty.
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So I'm just trying to give you the visual if you're listening to this.
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And, um, there's a picture for those of you who are watching it.
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They said there was a gash underneath her right eye, which went from the corner of the eye to her nose.
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So he was obviously slicing at her, but then they got to Kaylee in these documents and they said, Kaylee quoting here was unrecognizable as her facial structure was extremely damaged.
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According to the report, both Maddie and Kaylee were stabbed in the lung and the liver.
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Gonsalves also had two brain bleeds and a stab behind her clavicle, which cut the vein and artery.
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A brain bleed would suggest the trauma to the head that she'd been hit, uh, in the head in some way.
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She had over 20 stab wounds, as well as injuries connected with asphyxiation and blunt force trauma, blunt force trauma.
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Kaylee Gonsalves is the only victim who suffered blunt force trauma, blunt force and asphyxial injuries.
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In addition to sharp force wounds, um, and then I'll go on with the other injuries in a second, but Kaylee had particularly devastating injuries and they were extensive.
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They did eventually give a number on the stab wounds, which poor Steve Gonsalves wanted so badly that he was calling Howard bloom to try to get them.
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34 stab wounds of Kaylee Gonsalves, many of the wounds said to be on her face.
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She was stabbed 34 times and she was asphyxiated.
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And what they appear to be saying is that she fought, I mean, she fought heroically for her life and that he hit her with something blunt force trauma.
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She suffered two brain bleeds and, um, then it appears he strangled her.
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I don't know whether that happened before or after the stabbings, but that's extremely dark and upsetting.
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And can only think just how brave of Kaylee to try to fight that hard against somebody who was armed with a knife and she had nothing.
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And her sister, Olivia accurately said, if you hadn't attacked her in the middle of the night, like a pedophile, she would have kicked your fucking ass.
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That girl probably knew a lot more about those injuries.
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And one of the questions she asked Kohlberger, I think as a result of all that, she knew at least some of it, though clearly not the number of stab wounds.
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I'm sure she's surmising that those injuries to her sister's face and head may have been caused by some sort of an object.
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So that question came up at the presser the other day.
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Is it possible that there was a second word or weapon used?
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All the evidence shows and tells us that he used a knife, a K-Bar knife.
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And that's a weapon we believe was used to commit all the murders.
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It sounded like the Zalba's family said that there was a second weapon that was used on Kaylee in Zalba's.
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Out of respect for the families, that's something that you'll have to get from them.
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Um, if they wish to share that with you, it'd probably be through them, not through us.
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Once again, they're just not being transparent.
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And I can easily say the amount of injuries to Kaylee Gonsalves suggested that she was attacked in a particularly acute way that involves something other than stabbing.
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That would be my speculation on, on why they're wondering if there was a second weapon, a question we've asked ourselves to, but have no proof of.
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I'm sorry to be so hard on the cops, guys, but this is really frustrating.
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I don't, am I feeling it too, or am I being too hard?
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They, they got their guy, but this is just, just feels like not the fully transparent press conference we were owed once the gag order was lifted and the guy had been sentenced, pleaded guilty and sentenced.
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And you can see, by the way, they both keep looking at each other like, you take it, you take it.
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And they can't step away from the microphone fast enough.
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It's like, this is just, as with the rest of the ending of this case, very deeply unsatisfying.
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Um, okay, there was a question about whether Kohlberger did, in fact, have any connection to the girls or Ethan or the roommates or anybody in the house via social media.
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Was there any evidence that Kohlberger was following the social media of any of the victims?
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Um, we've looked for a link and we have not found one, not one.
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Uh, I think that's something that we need that you want is to help to understand this and say, well, what's the connection?
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Um, and so we had every resource possible and we worked that tirelessly.
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Um, both from everything from his side, but all the victims and all the members of the house from their side.
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So, uh, we have never to this day found a single connection between him and any of the four victims or the two surviving roommates.
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And I believe him there, but, and it does undercut some reports we had heard late in the case that possibly he had followed one or more of the girls and possibly had liked a post here or there.
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Steve Gonsalves watched Brian Kohlberger escorted out of the courtroom yesterday, still not knowing when the beginning of the end was.
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I want to know when was the beginning of the end?
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What was the first contact you had with my daughter or one of her dear friends that led you to come into their house and do this to them?
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The best speculation I've heard is that possibly he saw Maddie in that vegan restaurant she waitressed at.
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I mean, it's just a little too coincidental that he's this diehard vegan and she was a restaurant, she was a waitress in a restaurant that was vegan.
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And, and, you know, there was some speculation, including on Dateline and other sources that have been spot on in this case, that Maddie was the intended target, even though the cops wouldn't say it there.
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And keep in mind, Kaylee wasn't even supposed to be there that night.
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He went right up to the third floor to Maddie's room, which was clearly hers.
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There's Kaylee on the left and Maddie on the right.
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And was, I think, was likely surprised to find Kaylee even there.
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And unfortunately she was, you know, the victim of circumstance.
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And so were Zanna and Ethan, not, not, not that being the intended target is any better or less, you know, you know what I'm trying to say.
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So, yeah, anyway, that, that's, that's what appears to have happened.
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I, I believe he probably met or saw Maddie at that vegan restaurant and developed a fixation with her because she was everything he couldn't have.
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Her, her mother, you know, I believe it was her.
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It was Maddie's mother was saying, you know, the irony of all this is like, if you had just talked to her, she would have been nice to you.
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And the sister definitely said that about Kaylee.
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Like she probably would have made you feel better about your awkward, inappropriate conversation.
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That's what Olivia, Kaylee's sister was saying.
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And I, I believe that every, every account about these women, you don't hear like,
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It was like, they lit up the room when they walked in.
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These girls were everything Brian Kohlberger desired and couldn't have.
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And he needed to snuff out the beautiful life inside of them to make himself feel like something.
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So we're learning more about all these roommates too here.
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The two surviving roommates flanking the four who were killed.
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Kaylee on the bottom, Maddie up top, Ethan standing, and Xana on second to the right with
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I guess I should have said that at the top before I read what happened to Maddie and
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Kaylee, forgive me, but here's some more that we've learned from the around 300 documents
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They say that potentially thousands will be coming.
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So there's going to be a lot of updates in this case, as there should be.
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I mean, of course, to make a criminal case, but like, it's just ridiculous.
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What a lid they kept on everything, gagging the family members.
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And by the way, yesterday or Wednesday, when I watched the hearing and I listened to Steve
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Gonsalves and I heard some of the details, all I could think was, I'll bet you it was
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Steve Gonsalves who, who cooperated with Dateline.
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The Gonsalves has have, they didn't appear in that one day in Idaho documentary.
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Probably the way it works in TV is you cut an exclusive deal with somebody and then you
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He wasn't in it because he's been so outspoken and there's nothing wrong with that.
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I mean, I don't mean to impugn him in any way, but I'll just bet you that Steve Gonsalves
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knew some things from law enforcement and shared them with Dateline because he was incredibly
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And I bet he did want people to know, um, and he didn't jeopardize the case.
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In fact, you know, look, cases go to trial all the time with a lot of the evidence haven't
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been shared with the jury pool and with the public.
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So you can find the jurors and there are plenty of them who have not been infected by all that
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They get screened that, sorry, what do you think happened with Diddy?
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They reported that in the, in these papers that the kitchen door of the murder house,
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1122 King road was a jar when officers arrived and blood was smeared on the walls and the
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floors, coating the four college students' belongings and pooling by their bodies, which
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I don't really want to think about it, to be honest with you.
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You know, I think about like Xana Kronodl, who he appears to have attacked just outside
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of her bedroom or possibly in the doorway of the bedroom, but he was leaving the first
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It appears he drove his car away from the murder house for a couple of minutes around 4am.
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And that's when her door dash came, her, her food.
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It's possible he didn't know anyone in that house was still awake.
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And he'd been sitting there for over an hour, probably just waiting for all the lights to
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In any event, um, I don't know, you know, did she try to drag herself back to Ethan?
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I don't know why there'd be smearing of blood or possibly just a hand on a wall as the girls
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Um, some of the victims who were stabbed multiple times quoting here were covered in
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so much blood officers responding to the home at first were not able to sort out what
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They couldn't see, for example, it sounds like in the case possibly of Kaylee, how bad
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the, the beating was that she took, or maybe in the case of Maddie that she'd been stabbed
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or sliced across her face as well, there was just so much blood and you, you know, from
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Howard Bloom's reporting and he's had good contacts on both sides that, and when we saw
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pictures that the house was dripping blood on the outside, there was blood dripping on
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And he wrote of the police officer who felt he could smell blood.
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He walked into that house and it was such a bloody murder scene.
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They said, uh, I think this is from, uh, let's see quote.
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I was unable to comprehend, comprehend exactly what I was looking at while trying to discern
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One cop wrote in the newly released files, unable to comprehend exactly what I was looking
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I talked to you about what they found in Kaylee and Maddie, um, both stabbed in the lung and
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And then also Gonsalves Kaylee with two brain bleeds, a stab behind her clavicle, which cut
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the vein in the artery, had over 20 stab wounds.
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Now we know it was 34 as well as injuries contact connected with asphyxiation and blunt force
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Uh, Kaylee was the only one who suffered blunt force trauma and asphyxiated injuries.
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They said, in addition to sharp force wounds, Zanna Kurnodal, who was killed.
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We believe third, the police say he went up to the top floor, killed the first two went
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Zanna and Ethan were sharing a bedroom on second floor, had defensive night knife wounds on her
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And remember that we heard Dylan, who was the surviving roommate who would see him later
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said, she heard something like whimpering and him saying a male voice saying that something
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Like, I'm going to take care of you or something.
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Um, but she heard him say something like, it's going to be okay.
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This poor young girl, 21 years old with, she must've been absolutely terrified.
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Like think of how terrified Dylan Mortensen was when you heard her testify on Wednesday.
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She's still living with the terror of that a year later.
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Think of in the moment, this young girl in her home, standing face to face with a killer
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in a balaclava mask, dressed in black, holding a bloody knife.
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And they said Zanna had defensive knife wounds on her hands.
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It was obvious, say the police that an intense struggle had occurred.
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Oh, Karnodal's fatal injuries were stab wounds to her lung and her heart.
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And amazingly, it seems like somehow Ethan slept through it.
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I don't know, but he appears to have been stabbed and killed in the bed that the pair of them were
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Still on Zanna here, they say police found her lying on her back in her bloodstained underwear
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and shirt with defensive knife wounds to her hand, including a deep gash between her index finger and
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Both her shirt and her underwear were covered in blood.
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Zanna's face and body were covered in dried blood.
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According to the coroner's report, Ethan Chapin's fatal injury was from a stab wound under his left
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clavicle, which, which severed his subclavian vein and subclavian artery and also his jugular.
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That was reported by Dateline that Ethan's leg was carved.
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I don't know whether it's because that was untrue or they just didn't include it.
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The coroner determined that the murder weapon was not serrated, you know, like a jagged edge.
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It was a single edged, very sharp weapon and concluded that a lot of force was used.
00:31:10.160
I mean, poor Zanna Kornodal, 50 stab wounds from this guy that, you know,
00:31:18.780
Who's running high on adrenaline from these murders he's already committed.
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And she's there in her underwear, you know, drunk, I think, from having been out with
00:31:30.220
It's not like you're in a dangerous place and you're on alert and your fight or flight instinct
00:31:34.680
The line she allegedly uttered, as heard by her roommate downstairs, now she did, not
00:31:42.580
that she uttered, that he uttered and she heard was, it's okay, I'm going to help you.
00:31:50.140
I suppose that could have been Ethan, but it sounds like Ethan was asleep.
00:31:57.280
When investigators canvassed the Moscow area to see where locally, if anywhere, the killer
00:32:02.720
might have bought the knife, they visited numerous sporting goods and hardware stores
00:32:11.020
Then at Walmart, while perusing knives on display, the Walmart employee helping Kohlberger
00:32:17.400
said that about two to three weeks ago, or helping the cops said that about two to three weeks
00:32:24.280
ago, a white college aged male asked for a black ski mask that would cover his face.
00:32:30.620
She was unable to provide much detail other than he was taller than she was and maybe had
00:32:36.640
And then she told him they only had camo ski masks available and he walked away.
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Did he look for the balaclava ski mask at a Walmart?
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And did this particular employee see him and deal with him?
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He doesn't have tan skin, just one of the leads they appear to have been trying to track
00:32:59.700
Investigators also spoke with Kohlberger's fellow students at Washington State University.
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A fellow teaching assistant said the two discussed that Kohlberger wanted a girlfriend, and they
00:33:12.760
Back to the incel theory, Kohlberger also liked to discuss his area of study, which was
00:33:17.580
criminal decision making and burglary type crimes.
00:33:20.240
The student also told investigators about some injuries he witnessed on Kohlberger's face
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And while he was unsure of the date, he thought he had noticed the injuries on two separate
00:33:34.380
The murders were on November 13th, the wee hours of Saturday into Sunday.
00:33:38.980
One was a large scratch on Kohlberger's face, which the student described as looking like
00:33:46.640
The student also saw wounds to Kohlberger's knuckles on two separate occasions.
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And when he asked Kohlberger what happened, he replied that he had been in a car accident.
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Can we put the picture on the board of him in the white shirt the morning of the murders?
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I mean, we've done a lot of speculating over this picture, but it's very interesting.
00:34:07.900
Now, this person who was apparently both a PhD student and a TA, just like Brian was,
00:34:14.500
had a talk with him and had seen him and suggested wounds on the knuckles.
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You will notice in this picture, only the left hand shows the thumbs up.
00:34:23.000
The right hand's not visible and he's showing the knuckles and they're fine.
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I mean, I'm assuming he was right-handed as the vast majority of the populace is.
00:34:30.680
It is possible he had marks on the other hand and on the knuckles.
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I remember we all looked for those on the cross-country trip back home with his father.
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Didn't see much, but that was weeks after the murders.
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I don't know about you, but if I have a bruise, it goes away faster than three weeks.
00:34:54.660
You can't quite see the left profile over by the ear.
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I actually wondered about that before because he looks bloodless.
00:35:10.620
And it's possible he wore makeup and it's possible he was covering up a scratch.
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It's possible he took this picture not fully in celebration of his dastardly deed,
00:35:21.020
but as proof he didn't do it, you know, in his mind.
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And maybe he thought this was a way of showing he didn't have marks on knuckles or face.
00:35:35.660
And maybe he was clever enough to use makeup and to hide the right hand.
00:35:43.040
Bethany Funk, who is the other surviving roommate who was in the basement and really heard nothing.
00:35:47.900
She gave a testimonial through a friend at the hearing on Wednesday that she slept through
00:35:55.840
Well, we know that Dylan ran into her room around 4.30 because Dylan was scared in her
00:36:07.960
But then it sounds like the two of them went to sleep.
00:36:10.180
And Bethany, through her friend, testified that the friend reading her statement.
00:36:21.940
But Bethany also described to investigators an unnerving incident early in November 2022,
00:36:26.740
that's the month of the murders, that she recalled Kaylee Gonsalves had told her about.
00:36:32.500
Bethany talked about an incident with Kaylee, who stated about a month earlier, she had seen
00:36:37.440
an unknown male up above their house to the South, who was staring at her when she, Kaylee, took
00:36:51.720
And she even called her roommates to ask if they would be home soon, according to Bethany.
00:36:56.360
Dylan Mortensen also weighed in, saying there had been lighthearted talks and jokes made about
00:37:00.700
a stalker in the past, and that, quote, all the girls were slightly nervous about it being a fact.
00:37:05.680
Just nine days before the attack, the roommates came home at 11 a.m. November 4th to find their
00:37:10.880
front door open, loose on its hinges, as the wind blew.
00:37:14.420
Concerned they grabbed golf clubs from one of the first floor bedrooms and checked the house for a
00:37:18.860
possible intruder, Gonsalves was away for the weekend.
00:37:22.580
Bethany Funk told police her interview, in her interview, that Zanna Cronodal's father came and fixed the
00:37:28.500
door. On the night of the killings, Bethany said between 4 and 4.20 a.m. when prosecutors say the
00:37:34.040
murders happened, she heard what she thought was a firework and saw a spark on the ground from under her
00:37:42.360
door, then heard Murphy barking. What could that have been? He didn't use a gun. What could that
00:37:49.820
have been? A firework and a spark on the ground from under her door, then heard the dog barking.
00:37:58.280
Kohlberger was arrested, as you know, on December 30th at his parents' home in Pennsylvania,
00:38:05.840
and there are more details on that. When he was arrested, he repeatedly probed investigators asking
00:38:11.640
why he was in custody and what they wanted to know from him. I mean, he knew. He just wanted to figure
00:38:16.780
out what they knew. At the same time, he acted as though he had only peripheral knowledge of the
00:38:21.640
quadruple homicide that had occurred in Moscow one month prior. Kohlberger was brought to the
00:38:27.240
Pennsylvania State Police Barracks, put in an interview room, and made small talk with cops,
00:38:32.060
telling one detective that he looked familiar and looked like someone he used to know. Oh, so chummy,
00:38:36.540
like he was with the judge the other day. I respectfully declined. Oh, you're such a good
00:38:41.140
boy, Brian. Yes, you're getting an A on the test of faking polite young man who wouldn't commit
00:38:46.600
quadruple murder. It's amazing how this seems important to him. Kohlberger said he, quote,
00:38:53.760
understood why they were engaging in small talk, but would appreciate it if we could explain to him
00:38:59.940
what he was doing there. The detective, whose face he had noticed, asked why he thought we were there.
00:39:09.440
So the detective said to him, why do you think we're here? Kohlberger responded he wanted the
00:39:14.700
detective to tell him. The detective said we were there because of what occurred in Moscow,
00:39:19.080
but did not provide further detail. This is according to the police report. The detective then
00:39:23.460
asked Kohlberger if he watched the news. Kohlberger responded, I do. I watch the news. The detective said
00:39:29.720
they were there because of, quote, what happened in November just off the University of Idaho campus.
00:39:34.080
As if Kohlberger knew what that was, Kohlberger replied, of course, elaborating when prompted that
00:39:39.320
it was the incident we had been investigating for how long has it been? As if he didn't know.
00:39:45.420
He said he was aware of a homicide because of a Wash U alert that he had received, blah, blah, blah.
00:39:52.160
Wasn't certain when he had gotten it. When asked by the detective if he wanted to talk about that,
00:39:55.940
Kohlberger replied, well, I think I would need a lawyer. It's basically confessing. If you're
00:40:02.440
going to talk to me about that, I need a lawyer. Kohlberger then asked if we would explain to him
00:40:07.660
what we were there for specifically and then added he was tired. Investigators had questions and things
00:40:14.300
we hoped Kohlberger would help us understand, the detective explained. Kohlberger sat back and said
00:40:19.460
he had the utmost respect for law enforcement. There he goes again. I respectfully decline. I'm a good boy,
00:40:24.780
you see, but stated it was a constitutional right to speak to an attorney. Kohlberger reengaged again,
00:40:32.480
however, and asked what questions we would have for him. He wanted to figure out what they knew.
00:40:38.080
He was desperate to try to figure it out. What specifically we wanted to talk to him about and
00:40:42.760
the reason. At other points in the chat, he talked about his interest in criminal justice, saying he thought
00:40:48.600
about becoming a police officer, but did not want to make the commitment unless he was absolutely sure.
00:40:53.660
We know that he sought an internship with a, with the Pullman, Washington police department,
00:40:58.800
that officer who interviewed him gave an interview this week saying he was not warm enough. He was not
00:41:06.160
enough of a people person for them to give him the job. They could tell members of the community would
00:41:10.560
not want to talk to him. So good, good call. Pullman, Washington cops. When asked what led him down
00:41:16.420
the road of becoming a professor, Kohlberger said it was because he loved being in college
00:41:20.700
and stated knowledge was far more important to him than money. He also told cops in the room that he
00:41:27.260
was raised Christian, but was always a skeptic, except when confronted with the beauty of the natural
00:41:33.000
world. Well, you're going to find out real soon what, what Christian beliefs are true, like a belief in
00:41:40.720
heaven and hell and guess where you're going. And it's probably going to be before you reach your
00:41:45.180
40th birthday, possibly sooner. The inmates that he was housed with are also on record here. The
00:41:52.980
cops went and asked them questions about Kohlberger. That's interesting. He was described by fellow inmates
00:41:57.880
who encountered him in jail as quote, highly intelligent. We heard that from his lab partner
00:42:03.260
at DeSales too, that talked about him being extremely smart and everyone in the, in the room
00:42:08.020
knew it, including Kohlberger that he was polite. This is the inmates back to them, but that he had
00:42:14.000
quote, annoying habits. Kohlberger, they said would wash his hands dozens of times each day, would spend
00:42:19.780
45 minutes to an hour in the shower, would be awake almost all night and would only take a nap during
00:42:26.600
the day. That is somewhat consistent with the story. His lawyer was trying to weave about how he would go
00:42:32.660
on drives in the middle of the night and stargaze. Now we all understood she was saying that as his
00:42:40.040
quote alibi, which that's not an alibi as a measure of getting him off, but it's not hard to believe he
00:42:47.660
actually did do those things. We know that he was casing the murder house around those hours prior to
00:42:53.520
the murder. And it's possible Brian Kohlberger really did have an insomnia problem that he suffered
00:42:59.200
from in jail, or it's possible the thought of facing the firing squad called caused one for him. In any event,
00:43:06.500
another inmate saying he really didn't sleep and he obsessively washed his hands. Uh, they said on one
00:43:13.060
occasion, the fellow inmate overheard Kohlberger video chatting with his mother, which the inmate said he did
00:43:18.100
for hours a day. That's so annoying. How does he get to talk to his mother for over hours a day? Kaylee's never
00:43:23.660
gonna get to talk to her mother again. Maddie's never going to get to talk to her mother again. Ethan's
00:43:27.460
never going to get to talk to his mother again. Zanna's never going to get to talk to her mother
00:43:30.660
again. How does Brian Kohlberger get to talk to his mother for hours on end via video chat from a jail
00:43:35.580
cell? That shit better stop now that he's in maximum security. He listened to it and the inmate who
00:43:44.560
was watching sports in the, in the neighboring cell, I think said, you suck to one of the players on the
00:43:49.800
team. At which point Kohlberger immediately got up, put his face to the bars and aggressively asked
00:43:54.100
if the inmate was talking about him or his mother. Yeah, you're super protective of women, Brian.
00:44:02.060
The inmate said this was the only time he saw Kohlberger lose his temper. One officer wrote an
00:44:09.220
inmate in the same facility stated he's a fucking weirdo and that he wasn't worried. If he wasn't
00:44:15.960
worried about the legal repercussions, he, the inmate would have physically assaulted
00:44:19.640
Kohlberger. When asked if he thinks Kohlberger is guilty, the inmate said, his eyes tell a story.
00:44:26.880
And I think that's true. I mean, his, his most recent mugshot is extra creepy. I mean,
00:44:31.980
you could see now he knows exactly what's about to happen to him. Um, and, and he knows
00:44:38.860
he's infamous. Look at that. Look at him staring so intently into the camera.
00:44:44.900
He's trying to tell us something. It can't be. I got away with it at best. It's I got away with not
00:44:52.420
telling you exactly why I did it. Oh, okay. Let that be of comfort to you as you're bent over and
00:44:57.880
raped in prison and ultimately shivved, which is probably what's coming your way, buddy. Feel great
00:45:03.160
about it until you feel nothing at all. That's it. He's now in the Idaho max security prison.
00:45:11.200
Brian Enten of news nation went and toured it. Uh, this is the most severe correctional facility
00:45:16.380
that they have in Idaho. It's housing some very dangerous criminals, including Chad Daybell
00:45:22.060
of the Lori Daybell, the Lori Vallow Daybell murder mystery. He was convicted of killing his ex-wife and
00:45:29.660
the two children of his second wife, Lori Vallow Daybell. He's there. Thomas Creech convicted of five
00:45:35.700
murders. He's confessed to at least 26 others. That's Brian's new roommate. Well,
00:45:40.680
prison mate, enjoy that. The New York post going so far as to report the first meal
00:45:47.200
he likely had for dinner on Wednesday. If he made it back in time for dinner,
00:45:51.080
um, vegans would have been offered vegan, barley casserole, baked beans, and canned fruit.
00:45:57.080
If he's abandoned the whole vegan thing, he would have had hot dog salad and jello pie.
00:46:02.380
It's so satisfying to think of this guy having to eat jello pie and canned fruit. Great.
00:46:09.140
I'll end on this creepy detail. Uh, eagle-eyed court watchers zoomed in on a drawing that was next to
00:46:20.060
Brian Kohlberger at the hearing on Wednesday. And what they saw was a picture. It looks hand-drawn
00:46:26.460
of a square inside of which is a black heart. How fitting. Clearly he drew it though. He never
00:46:39.080
glanced down at it or even moved it as he listened to the testimonials in court. The post reporting,
00:46:46.740
however, immediately after the hearing ended, one of Kohlberger's attorneys was spotted scooping up
00:46:52.220
the piece of paper. They're cited NBC news for that. The lawyer appeared to ask the killer about
00:46:58.800
the heart before smiling and taking the sketch with her. The back of the paper bore a handwritten
00:47:05.160
note. It was not immediately clear what the two said to each other. How appropriate a black heart,
00:47:13.660
a dark heart full of nothing, no love, no sadness, no empathy, no regret, no hope, no joy,
00:47:26.600
just nothing. That's what he said about himself in those earlier musings that he posted. It was clearly
00:47:33.760
him never officially confirmed as a teenager that he felt like just a piece of hamburger meat
00:47:40.320
that when his father hugged him, he felt nothing. He feels nothing for his mother, nor his father,
00:47:47.700
nor those young people he murdered, nothing, which is why it was so brilliant. How Olivia Gonsalves spoke
00:47:54.800
to him as the nothing he is as the joke he's become. You think you're so smart. Did you really
00:48:01.660
think you could cover up the purchase of the knife with an Amazon gift card that they wouldn't figure it
00:48:08.340
out? You think you're so smart. You're so stupid. Who would leave behind the knife sheet? Who would
00:48:15.540
forget to make a pattern out of turning off their phone when the wee hours of the morning came? I mean,
00:48:22.660
he led the police directly to him, Mr. PhD student. And now he'll pay the price. It's not the price we
00:48:31.300
wanted. Not yet. And we'll move on from this case and hope there's not another. It is important to
00:48:39.340
remember the beautiful lives of those four gorgeous people in the truest sense of that word. You know,
00:48:45.960
they make me want to be a little nicer, don't they? I pray every Sunday in church that I can find it
00:48:52.240
within myself to be a little kinder, a little better, a little more forgiving. And you look at these
00:48:59.260
four and they really do inspire you. Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, and Zanna Karnodel.
00:49:07.620
Thank you for being an example in how to live. I'm so very deeply sorry for how your lives ended.
00:49:16.420
We won't forget you. God bless them. God bless their families. And we'll talk to you all on Monday.
00:49:22.840
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