The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn Kelly on Kamala's CNN Town Hall Disaster, and Key Issue of Trans Ideology, with Rep. Ro Khanna

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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.920 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.140 Later today, Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna from California will join me for the first time.

00:00:51.500 I'm looking forward to this.

00:00:52.640 He is very progressive and we are 100% opposed to each other on many issues,

00:00:59.500 including the trans stuff.

00:01:01.540 But he's going to come on and defend this.

00:01:04.100 And you know what?

00:01:05.420 He goes into a lot of more right-leaning spaces and stands up for what he believes in.

00:01:11.560 So good for him.

00:01:12.720 I appreciate that and I'm looking forward to our talk and we'll touch base on electoral politics too

00:01:18.360 and see how he's viewing this race, which has got some pressing the panic button.

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00:02:16.520 I mean, it's very interesting to me because the polls still show this race this tight.

00:02:23.840 I mean, just as tight as it can get.

00:02:27.660 And yet you have more and more people talking about how it's Trump's to lose, right?

00:02:35.360 Because he's gone up a little, and the momentum seems to be with Trump.

00:02:40.480 But boy, his momentum only is getting him from, like, down two points to up two points in a margin-of-error poll that has a four-point window.

00:02:50.720 So it's like, has anything actually happened?

00:02:54.680 Now, the early voting data coming back is promising for Trump.

00:03:00.000 We are seeing more Republicans voting on an early basis, whether it's in person, early, or by mail, than we have in the last elections.

00:03:08.680 That's great.

00:03:10.100 But we don't know whether those are additional votes or whether they're just cannibalizing Election Day vote.

00:03:16.780 It's still good for the reasons we've discussed on the show.

00:03:19.400 So, you know, it allows Republican canvassers to go out there and bother people who haven't yet turned in their vote and focus their efforts there.

00:03:26.800 So it's not that it's not a benefit.

00:03:28.520 It's just the main benefit is getting more votes, as we know.

00:03:32.600 That's how you win the election.

00:03:33.900 So it's too soon to say whether it's a game-changer in that way.

00:03:40.480 Nevada each day looks better and better.

00:03:42.700 And, you know, the experts out there are saying it's beyond just sort of a marginal plus.

00:03:50.720 So who knows still?

00:03:52.220 But I have to admit that that one you'd have to objectively say is looking very good, at least at this point for Trump.

00:03:58.460 Anything could happen.

00:04:00.440 But I try to take in as much media as I can on the polls, on big events like the CNN town hall that happened last night with Kamala Harris, which we are going to spend this hour talking about.

00:04:11.220 And I am sensing real alarm, real alarm in Democrat circles.

00:04:18.200 Our friend Dan Turntine, who's been on the show as part of the two-way broadcast with Halperin and Spicer, they were here yesterday.

00:04:29.300 He was saying just yesterday or this morning on their show that he is hearing the DCCC and the DSCC, you know, these are the Democrat campaign apparatus in both the House and the Senate, are telling their state candidates, like the people running for U.S. Senate out of the seven swing states.

00:04:51.760 That's what I mean.

00:04:53.320 Don't, don't feel the need to follow Kamala Harris's lead.

00:04:57.040 I mean, that's not a good sign.

00:04:58.800 Like, don't, you don't have to go with Hitler.

00:05:02.200 It's, it's really your choice.

00:05:04.460 If, if you don't want that to be your closing message in a, in a country that is suffering, uh, with, you know, record high inflation and record high immigrant, uh, communities now, thanks to this open border, you should do what you think is right.

00:05:21.380 Now that, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of her closing message.

00:05:27.140 Now we know she's going to, uh, the, the Washington mall next week on Tuesday, one week before election day for her quote, closing argument.

00:05:38.040 And in her closing argument, she's going to really, really tell us why Trump is bad.

00:05:42.160 I mean, they're very much settled on this.

00:05:43.700 They have settled on Trump is bad.

00:05:45.420 He's really, really bad.

00:05:46.860 Very, very bad.

00:05:48.660 And that's why you can't vote for Trump.

00:05:50.680 Meanwhile, you look over at Trump and he is having a ball.

00:05:54.900 He's at McDonald's with the gleaming smile.

00:05:58.700 They want to make fun of him for when those people passed out at his very packed, hot event, just deciding to play his music.

00:06:06.280 So people could just chill out and take it easy.

00:06:08.940 It was actually a really nice moment.

00:06:10.700 And I think anybody who saw it, including the ABC news reporter who was there, I think it was Terry Moran, who was like, actually, it was really sweet.

00:06:17.420 Um, they want to say, this is all freaky stuff.

00:06:21.420 Trump's having a great time.

00:06:23.360 Trump looks and is behaving like a winner.

00:06:26.260 She's not the infighting's already starting.

00:06:29.960 You know, we told you about what the little morning Joe freak out on how she's dealing with the attack by Trump on her support for our taxpayer dollars, paying for trans surgeries and, uh, in prisons for illegals and felons.

00:06:43.980 Like they're starting to pull out the knives for team Harris.

00:06:47.320 She's not doing it right.

00:06:48.820 Why aren't they dealing with this?

00:06:51.280 Um, now what I just said about the campaign finance committees, basically that fund these races saying you can cut ship, you can cut bait and jump ship.

00:07:01.180 Um, we'll see whether more and more people in these states are not appearing with her.

00:07:05.640 If she goes by their state, what we are seeing, as we talked about with Halpern yesterday, is they're embracing Trump in their ads in states like Pennsylvania and others.

00:07:16.420 Um, why are they doing that?

00:07:18.580 They're doing that because they too have information that Trump's winning.

00:07:23.620 It is not one.

00:07:25.060 It is not done.

00:07:26.060 She could still win, but he's winning.

00:07:30.220 It's obvious.

00:07:31.460 You know, if you just look around at the objective signs of who is doing well and who is suffering, it's clear.

00:07:40.480 And one of the most interesting things was on that CNN town hall last night to watch the reaction after the fact they've run out of spin.

00:07:49.780 They, I mean, God love him.

00:07:51.760 I actually feel bad for him.

00:07:52.880 I feel bad for David Axelrod.

00:07:54.320 I do.

00:07:55.400 I think he's actually for the most part, a straight shooter.

00:07:58.600 And, uh, he knows he was with Obama for God's sake.

00:08:02.380 He knows a talented political candidate when he sees one, this ain't it.

00:08:08.300 And you could hear sort of the dejection by the panel that CNN did everything it could to set her up for success.

00:08:15.060 It's not that Anderson Cooper didn't ask any challenging questions.

00:08:18.340 He threw some at her.

00:08:19.440 He, he did follow up with her on a couple of issues and she was totally flat footed.

00:08:24.840 She's so not used to it, but make no mistake.

00:08:28.660 The whole thing was set up by CNN and agreed to by Kamala Harris to be a Trump is Hitler extravaganza.

00:08:37.960 And even they knew on that panel after the fact it didn't work.

00:08:44.820 She, she didn't break through.

00:08:46.780 Here's Axelrod last night.

00:08:49.100 She could be clinical on some of these economic issues.

00:08:52.800 She was great on the long-term care for the, uh, for, for, for the elderly to help people in a sandwich.

00:08:59.080 The anecdote about helping a mother put on her sweater.

00:09:01.780 But the things that would concern me is when she doesn't want to answer a question,

00:09:06.000 her habit is to kind of go to world word salad city.

00:09:10.760 And she did that on a couple of answers.

00:09:12.600 One was on Israel.

00:09:13.740 Anderson asked a direct question.

00:09:15.080 Would you be stronger on Israel than Trump?

00:09:17.400 And, uh, there was a seven minute answer, but not, none of it related to the question he was asking on immigration.

00:09:25.360 Uh, I thought she missed an opportunity because she would acknowledge no concerns about any of the administration's policies.

00:09:32.880 Uh, and that's a mistake.

00:09:35.120 Sometimes you have to concede things, uh, and she didn't concede much.

00:09:39.380 No one's going to be bill Clinton, but you do want to relate to the people in front of you.

00:09:43.740 She didn't do a lot of that.

00:09:44.860 She didn't ask them questions.

00:09:46.320 She didn't address them particularly.

00:09:50.600 No, there was almost no warmth in her performance whatsoever.

00:09:54.480 And another point Halpern was making was he does not think Alex Axelrod would be speaking like that if he didn't know she's going to lose.

00:10:04.260 That he just wouldn't be that frank about her failings at such an important event for her.

00:10:10.060 Uh, and you know, repeated criticisms and he's exactly right.

00:10:13.160 I mean, honestly, that's truth telling there.

00:10:15.700 She didn't connect.

00:10:16.960 She can't, she doesn't have it in her.

00:10:19.680 She didn't build a life that allows her that sort of emotional connection with people or the ability to have the confidence to show who she really is.

00:10:29.200 You know, to just, I mean, that's the thing about Trump is he shows us who he is.

00:10:34.900 It's not always pretty, but it's real.

00:10:39.240 It's authentic.

00:10:41.040 Somehow that's more steadying.

00:10:45.300 She, she makes you feel unstable.

00:10:47.920 Like I have no idea what I am hiring.

00:10:51.600 You know, it's like, remember I told you about my friend, my friend's friend runs this big corporation and he hired a girl right out of college.

00:11:00.140 She was totally normal on the, uh, interviews.

00:11:02.780 And then when she got to the company, she said she identified as a tiger and started wearing a tail and ears.

00:11:10.740 Holy shit.

00:11:12.060 Whoa.

00:11:12.620 Now that's the kind of feeling Kamala Harris gives you.

00:11:16.680 Like, I don't know what I'm hiring.

00:11:19.460 She could show up at the white house in the tiger tail and ears.

00:11:24.220 Uh, this is a rhetorical device I'm using here.

00:11:26.920 I don't think she'll actually do that, but I, I don't know what I'm buying.

00:11:29.680 I think I'm buying a far left liberal from San Francisco who's trying to act a little bit more moderate so she can win a presidential election, but I don't want a radical in the presidency and almost no one does.

00:11:42.320 Even the Democrat party has realized in the context of this race, how effed up their policies have been on social matters in particular.

00:11:53.780 Now it's going to be interesting when Ro Khanna comes on next hour because he's not in step with his own party anymore.

00:11:58.560 I mean, his party is not running on those lunatic social issues we saw after George Floyd and the trans stuff.

00:12:07.860 They're, they're running away from all that stuff.

00:12:10.100 They're pretending like we saw with Colin Allred, the liar in Texas running against Ted Cruz, that they haven't voted to approve boys in girls sports, that they haven't tried to make it easier for these radical doctors to trans kids who only have a, you know, a problem with bullying or survived a sexual assault and don't want to chop off body parts to become, quote, the opposite sex.

00:12:37.580 They just need therapy.

00:12:39.280 They need help and they need love.

00:12:42.620 Anyway, that party is fracturing over those social issues.

00:12:47.220 And so the Republicans are winning on it.

00:12:49.540 And I think Kamala Harris is totally in line with all those controversial issues that the country is rejecting.

00:12:55.520 So, of course, she has to dodge.

00:12:58.520 Now, I think part of the problem is she can't say she's disavowed everything that she stands for.

00:13:05.200 She had to pick her top few, you know, like open border.

00:13:08.780 Yeah, that'd be a good one to disavow.

00:13:11.340 Medicare for all.

00:13:12.560 No more private insurance.

00:13:13.960 Yeah, that'd be a good one.

00:13:14.780 And she had to disavow her fandom for banning fracking because she would absolutely have sealed her fate in Pennsylvania as a loser.

00:13:22.880 So she she did.

00:13:24.260 But she can't then be like, and I'm also no longer for trans surgeries on minors.

00:13:29.820 And I'm no I'm no longer for boys playing in women's sports.

00:13:32.720 And I'm no longer for funding these sex change operations for illegals in prisons on the taxpayer dime.

00:13:39.620 And, you know, like she can't.

00:13:42.680 And she is in favor of those things.

00:13:44.420 So it's an easy one to just try to dodge on these social issues.

00:13:47.700 Anyway, my point is simply she's struggling and we can see it now.

00:13:51.240 It doesn't mean she can't pull it out.

00:13:52.440 I will tell you, James Carville, he's got a piece out today in which he says he knows she's going to win.

00:13:59.800 He says he just he just knows it.

00:14:02.960 What Carville is saying is Trump's going to lose and Kamala's going to win because she's got more money than he does.

00:14:10.800 She raised a billion dollars in three months and he has nowhere near that amount of dough.

00:14:14.460 And it really does matter that he thinks the John Kelly stuff, the Trump is Hitler stuff is going to permeate into the ether and that people are going to sort of do the right thing.

00:14:29.800 When it comes to him and that he just trusts in the American people to do the right thing.

00:14:36.160 Well, that that's not going to do it.

00:14:38.540 Yeah, here it is.

00:14:39.460 He also points out that Trump's a repeat electoral loser and goes off about how Trump since he won in 16, the Republicans suffered historical losses in 18 in the midterms.

00:14:51.440 Trump lost the 2020 election in 2022.

00:14:54.680 There was no red wave post Dobbs.

00:14:57.040 Things have been bad for the Republicans at the ballot box.

00:14:59.340 And that's a hangover and it's haunting the Republican Party.

00:15:04.020 But I have to say, like, his main thing is his gut.

00:15:09.860 It's just a feeling, he writes.

00:15:11.100 My final reason is 100 percent emotional.

00:15:13.840 And then he writes, I refuse to believe that the same country that has time and again overcome its mistakes to bend its future toward justice will make the same mistake twice.

00:15:27.420 America overcame Mr. Trump in 2020.

00:15:29.040 I know that we are better than this.

00:15:31.080 I refuse to believe that Trump will be elected.

00:15:34.720 Well, there's your problem right there, Mr. Carville.

00:15:37.900 You're too immersed in Democrat circles.

00:15:41.260 You haven't been talking to enough people who see the world differently and see Trump differently.

00:15:45.720 The stuff with Hitler is over the top.

00:15:49.400 As we know, it's the closing message.

00:15:51.600 I don't think people are buying it.

00:15:54.020 I don't.

00:15:54.660 Maybe the exit polls will prove me wrong and we'll be saying, I guess that worked.

00:15:58.640 I don't think so.

00:16:00.480 They've been hearing this for how many years?

00:16:02.440 It's not new.

00:16:03.420 And by the way, Eric Erickson was pointing this out on Twitter, a conservative commentator down in Georgia.

00:16:08.120 It's a it's not new even in Republican politics like they they sling this crap at any Republican, any Republican who gets the nod.

00:16:18.880 They were saying demonic things like this about John McCain, not to mention what an alleged misogynist Mitt Romney was like.

00:16:27.960 This is what they do.

00:16:29.060 Look, those guys didn't win, but Republicans do win.

00:16:34.940 Look what they were saying about Trump at 16.

00:16:38.400 And he won.

00:16:39.600 You can win, notwithstanding this onslaught.

00:16:42.600 It just helps rig the game in the Dems favor.

00:16:46.440 You know, I mean, you.

00:16:47.960 It was funny because my son, my 11 year old, is looking at the papers.

00:16:50.940 We get the Times, the Journal and the New York Post.

00:16:53.020 And after the McDonald's thing, it was like the McDonald's poster with Trump, you know, on the Post.

00:16:58.120 And you saw it on the Journal.

00:16:59.980 And we looked at the New York Times.

00:17:04.240 No, not there.

00:17:05.780 And they were talking about something else.

00:17:07.140 It was some terrible headline for Trump.

00:17:08.640 And he was like, why?

00:17:10.180 I'm like, you know exactly why.

00:17:12.200 We all know exactly why.

00:17:13.560 The media is so biased, even children are starting to get it.

00:17:17.000 But Republicans can win, notwithstanding.

00:17:19.420 And the marginalization of this biased media has been critical to their chances.

00:17:25.380 I mean, their chances are probably better than ever now because there's a new ecosphere.

00:17:31.020 Fact-checking can happen in a way it never did.

00:17:32.620 Look what happened to the 60 Minutes interview and so on.

00:17:34.940 All right, let's go through some of what happened last night in the CNN town hall.

00:17:39.020 She did not have any sort of a spike the ball moment.

00:17:42.180 I don't think she reassured anyone.

00:17:44.340 And I don't predict any boost in the polls.

00:17:47.200 In fact, what we're seeing in these polls right now is that she's gone down steadily

00:17:52.520 since she started speaking.

00:17:54.480 I mean, it's really amazing.

00:17:55.740 She's gone down steadily.

00:17:57.080 Right now, the current RCP, Real Clear Politics National Average, has her up 0.2 in the national.

00:18:04.400 It's her lowest lead since August 5th.

00:18:08.500 Since August 5th.

00:18:09.700 The Wall Street Journal, in a new major poll, has Trump up three.

00:18:14.140 Up three points, margin of error is 2.5.

00:18:17.560 In August, it was Harris up one.

00:18:21.520 So we've had a four-point swing in the Wall Street Journal.

00:18:25.340 They write, views of Harris have turned more negative since August when equal shares of voters

00:18:31.440 viewed her favorably and unfavorably.

00:18:33.700 Now, the unfavorable views are dominant by 8 percentage points, 53 to 45.

00:18:40.360 Why is that?

00:18:41.880 Because she's speaking.

00:18:45.000 That's what's happened.

00:18:46.960 She's gotten out there.

00:18:49.520 She owned August.

00:18:51.440 She owned August.

00:18:52.760 Did the switcheroo.

00:18:53.980 They had the DNC.

00:18:55.340 They did the brat vibes nonsense.

00:18:58.040 And her numbers went way up from where Joe Biden's had been and from where Kamala Harris's had been.

00:19:04.860 And then she started speaking.

00:19:06.620 She couldn't get past the stall.

00:19:08.080 They stalled.

00:19:09.120 And they decided a great idea would be to put her out there more.

00:19:12.620 And it's just been a disaster.

00:19:14.500 There's nothing behind the veneer.

00:19:18.180 There's nothing inside.

00:19:20.280 And voters know it.

00:19:22.240 Okay.

00:19:23.200 Start at the very beginning.

00:19:24.640 Cooper says, okay, half the country is still going to vote for Trump, even though you say he's a fascist.

00:19:30.760 General Kelly, General Milley, he's arguably more popular now than ever.

00:19:35.540 What are you going to say to these voters to convince them?

00:19:37.540 Some are in this room.

00:19:38.900 Not really true, Anderson.

00:19:40.240 We went back and looked at all your people.

00:19:42.000 These were all Democrats or independents or never Trumpers.

00:19:46.040 Like, we're really hard pressed to find actual Republicans who are open-minded to Trump.

00:19:49.840 They stacked this whole thing with a bunch of Kamala Harris supporters who wanted to be on TV.

00:19:54.560 That seemed clear to me.

00:19:55.780 And just say you're undecided so you can get up there and ask your heroine a question.

00:20:00.120 It was sad.

00:20:01.240 It would have been much more interesting if they had had people who were really hardcore Trump.

00:20:05.140 Ask her a tough question from a hardcore Trumper.

00:20:06.960 She probably wouldn't have agreed to it.

00:20:08.840 So she goes on, you know, takes the bait.

00:20:12.280 He's unstable.

00:20:13.000 He's unfit.

00:20:13.840 He's unfit.

00:20:14.660 He's dangerous.

00:20:15.640 Mike Pence is not running with him.

00:20:17.120 They all say he shouldn't run as president.

00:20:19.000 Look at all the people who have left him.

00:20:20.640 And then Anderson follows up.

00:20:22.500 You quoted General Milley calling Donald Trump a fascist.

00:20:25.000 You yourself have not used that word to describe him.

00:20:27.460 But let me ask you, is he?

00:20:30.760 Like, of course.

00:20:32.660 I heard a fun word that I'd love you to expand on.

00:20:36.400 Here's more of that.

00:20:38.440 You've quoted General Milley calling Donald Trump a fascist.

00:20:41.640 You yourself have not used that word to describe him.

00:20:44.300 Let me ask you tonight.

00:20:45.500 Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

00:20:47.400 Yes, I do.

00:20:47.840 Yes, I do.

00:20:51.400 Yeah.

00:20:51.980 I mean, I think she she may believe it.

00:20:54.500 It may have been a sincere movement, but she was looking a moment, but she was looking for

00:20:57.780 headlines.

00:20:58.960 Kamala Harris, colon Donald Trump is a fascist.

00:21:01.280 And of course, the media complies.

00:21:03.400 Here's just a montage of her on the dangers of Donald Trump.

00:21:08.980 I believe Donald Trump is a danger to the well-being and security of America.

00:21:15.240 Donald Trump said, why essentially, why aren't my generals like those of Hitler's?

00:21:23.120 Like Hitler.

00:21:24.080 He who has openly admired dictators said he would be a dictator on day one.

00:21:29.540 The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has said he is a fascist to the core.

00:21:35.700 The president of the United States, the commander in chief is saying to his generals,

00:21:39.640 generals, in essence, why can't you be more like Hitler's generals and not having a president

00:21:45.580 of the United States who admires dictators and is a fascist and certainly not comparing

00:21:51.580 oneself in a clearly admiring way to Hitler.

00:21:54.780 OK, it's just it's the same old stuff we've heard.

00:22:01.180 No one believes Trump is Hitler.

00:22:02.700 I don't even know if Trump made those comments about Hitler.

00:22:05.100 I really don't.

00:22:05.720 I don't know whether John Kelly is telling the truth or not.

00:22:08.140 You've got people all over the Internet today saying, as between Trump and John Kelly, why

00:22:11.460 would you ever believe Donald Trump?

00:22:12.900 Fair point.

00:22:13.460 I get it.

00:22:14.260 However, John Kelly was also peddling the lie about Trump getting ready to unleash the American

00:22:20.620 military on the American people, like his detractors.

00:22:24.880 That's bullshit, General.

00:22:26.940 You've been watching too much MSNBC.

00:22:30.240 So General Kelly clearly hates Trump now.

00:22:32.860 And General Kelly has clearly been drinking from the left wing Kool-Aid for a few years

00:22:38.220 now since he was fired by Trump.

00:22:41.040 No other administrative administration official is repeating those claims.

00:22:45.320 Trump isn't he doesn't hide who he is.

00:22:47.020 So he he made these incendiary claims to Kelly and he didn't repeat them to anyone else.

00:22:52.040 Just Kelly.

00:22:53.480 Kelly was somehow his BFF.

00:22:55.460 I mean, Kelly doesn't seem like he's anybody's BFF.

00:22:57.520 He seems like a tough old military dude.

00:23:01.180 So there's plenty of reason to doubt Kelly on this front, to be honest.

00:23:05.520 But let's say Trump said it.

00:23:06.900 I'm kind of in the field of Dave Chappelle.

00:23:09.420 Remember when he did his bit about Michael Jackson after that fake documentary came out

00:23:13.480 about the Michael Jackson case and those two accusers who had all sorts of problems with

00:23:18.160 their stories.

00:23:18.860 And he goes, I'm just going to say it.

00:23:20.660 I don't believe those two guys.

00:23:22.300 I don't think he did it.

00:23:23.860 And even if he did, he still listens to Michael Jackson.

00:23:28.720 I mean, it was a very funny, comedic moment.

00:23:30.660 And I think that's how a lot of us feel about Trump.

00:23:32.700 I don't give a shit if he said something about admiring Hitler's generals.

00:23:35.920 By the way, it is not the same thing as saying, I want to be just like Hitler, like Trump wants

00:23:42.100 to kill six million Jews.

00:23:43.700 And by the way, remember when we weren't really allowed to throw around the Holocaust to make

00:23:47.820 political points?

00:23:49.860 Obviously, if Trump has some admiration for the Hitler generals, it's because he believes,

00:23:55.480 rightly or wrongly, they were compliant.

00:23:57.600 Now, that's a fair point to make, but it doesn't make Trump a threat like Hitler.

00:24:02.940 I mean, it's just ridiculous where they've gone with it.

00:24:06.680 And they lie.

00:24:07.700 This whole bullshit about the American military being unleashed on the American people.

00:24:11.420 It's such a lie.

00:24:12.820 It's all over the place.

00:24:14.180 You listen to the New York Times today, the Daily.

00:24:17.880 They're obsessed.

00:24:19.640 They did this whole podcast on it.

00:24:21.260 Was it today or yesterday?

00:24:22.100 I'm mixing up my days.

00:24:23.280 But it was absurd.

00:24:24.460 They're so excited that General Kelly finally spoke on the record.

00:24:28.880 They've been reporting on his words for years.

00:24:30.540 They just now have him on tape.

00:24:32.400 And by the way, it doesn't even seem like a long clip.

00:24:36.300 Listen to Morning Joe in a meltdown over the American military is coming to get you.

00:24:43.120 If Trump, my point in playing you all this is they're liars and they've gone too far to

00:24:49.140 the point where we're all kind of Dave Chappelle now, like, right?

00:24:54.960 I care about me.

00:24:56.840 I care about my kids.

00:24:58.460 I care about other people's kids.

00:25:00.040 I like I don't really give a shit about Trump's incendiary rhetoric.

00:25:05.460 And I also have a healthy, healthy skepticism that he said it to begin with.

00:25:10.480 Here's Morning Joe.

00:25:11.120 The October surprise is that Donald Trump has said he's going to arrest his Democratic opponents.

00:25:18.540 The October surprise is that Donald Trump has said he's going to use the army and he's going

00:25:23.960 to use the National Guard against his political opponents.

00:25:27.900 He's making very clear that that's what he believes, that the military may be used and

00:25:33.960 may be deployed against people he views as enemies of the country.

00:25:37.240 It's a joyful campaign, but it is reflecting off who they are running against.

00:25:42.740 A dark, dismal, fascist and increasingly obviously fascist person.

00:25:50.740 He has said, if you speak out against me, you are the enemy from within.

00:25:56.420 If you are against me politically, then you are the enemy within and I can use the military

00:26:02.360 in the National Guard against you.

00:26:07.060 For the record, we've been through this.

00:26:09.700 This is based on Trump using the term enemy within being more dangerous than some of our

00:26:15.220 external enemies repeatedly, which he has.

00:26:17.440 That's political rhetoric.

00:26:18.860 It's not shocking.

00:26:20.720 He's he references Adam Schiff in particular, who's made it his life mission to bring down

00:26:24.900 Donald Trump.

00:26:25.380 And I said far worse things about Trump than that.

00:26:27.540 Far worse.

00:26:29.020 He tried to put Trump in jail.

00:26:31.140 He tried to get Trump booted out of office twice.

00:26:34.860 It's what?

00:26:35.580 OK, so that's the enemies he's talking about.

00:26:39.300 But for the record, the way they tie it to the military coming to get you is based on

00:26:44.320 one exchange.

00:26:45.200 We update it every day.

00:26:46.480 I keep asking my team, go back and find if there's another one.

00:26:48.800 See if he's done it.

00:26:49.620 He said it in any other way.

00:26:50.740 And I have a great team.

00:26:52.060 No, he said one thing to Mario Bartiromo that they're using for this argument.

00:26:56.600 I will play you the entire soundbite right here again.

00:26:59.340 Look at it.

00:27:02.620 What about that, though?

00:27:03.860 Are you expecting chaos on Election Day?

00:27:06.080 No, I know things not from the side that votes for Trump.

00:27:09.620 But I'm just wondering if these outside agitators will start up on Election Day.

00:27:14.880 Let's say you win.

00:27:15.740 I mean, let's not let's let's remember you've got 50,000 Chinese nationals in this country

00:27:19.500 in the last couple of years.

00:27:20.440 There are people on the terrorist watch list, 350 in the last couple of years.

00:27:24.300 You've got, like you said, 13,000 murderers and 15,000 rapists.

00:27:29.840 What are you expecting?

00:27:31.220 Joe Biden said he doesn't think it's going to be a peaceful Election Day.

00:27:34.860 Well, he doesn't have any idea what's happening in Rolls-Royce.

00:27:37.240 He spends most of his day sleeping.

00:27:38.700 I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come

00:27:45.500 in and destroying our country.

00:27:47.480 By the way, totally destroying our country.

00:27:49.660 The towns, the villages, they're being inundated.

00:27:52.140 But I don't think they're the problem in terms of Election Day.

00:27:55.420 I think the bigger problem are the people from within.

00:27:58.160 We have some very bad people.

00:27:59.480 We have some sick people, radical left lunatics.

00:28:03.200 And I think they're the big and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national

00:28:08.420 guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen.

00:28:13.300 That's it.

00:28:17.260 She tees up to him that Joe Biden, and if you see the longer Maria answer, that Joe Biden

00:28:23.900 predicted there to be chaos on Election Day from the Trump supporters.

00:28:26.980 Then she talks about the foreign nationals who are here, the illegal immigrants, what could

00:28:31.060 happen?

00:28:31.540 These are some bad people.

00:28:33.440 And do you think there will be chaos on Election Day?

00:28:36.400 That's what they're talking about.

00:28:37.260 They're talking about Election Day.

00:28:39.200 And Trump says there won't be, not from Trump supporters.

00:28:42.200 But if there is, yes, then we would have to crack down and then we're not going to let

00:28:46.300 that happen.

00:28:47.360 That's the context in which he said the National Guard and or the military.

00:28:50.460 It's the Tom Cotton argument that was in The New York Times that led to the absolute meltdown

00:28:54.520 over there.

00:28:55.240 And they want to extrapolate it to Trump's going to be basically jumping out of helicopters

00:29:00.440 down in your backyard if you don't vote for him.

00:29:02.440 He's going to be seizing your dog and your gun and everything that's dear to you.

00:29:09.380 I guess I don't know.

00:29:11.980 In this scenario, won't he have won?

00:29:15.280 If Trump's unleashing the military, won't Trump have already won?

00:29:18.780 I guess so then he just goes after Kamala Harris supporters.

00:29:21.120 He just finds everyone who voted for Kamala Harris because he's bitter, even though he's

00:29:24.980 won the presidency.

00:29:26.580 And like what, a Navy SEAL shows up on your doorstep because you didn't back this president?

00:29:32.720 It's just it makes no sense.

00:29:34.500 They're just trying to scare people.

00:29:36.160 That's what they do.

00:29:37.200 OK, let's keep going.

00:29:38.300 She's asked by one woman who is allegedly a registered Republican, how are you going

00:29:47.580 to bridge the political divide and create more unity?

00:29:50.500 And Kamala Harris goes on.

00:29:54.480 There's so much inanity.

00:29:55.560 I can't even begin.

00:29:56.280 I'm not going to waste your time.

00:29:57.140 But it's I pledged you to be a president for all Americans.

00:29:59.600 And I think and I think we have it.

00:30:01.920 OK, let's watch some of this.

00:30:03.040 Let's watch some.

00:30:03.920 It's it's it's it goes on for minutes, but let's watch some.

00:30:08.920 I started my career as a prosecutor.

00:30:11.780 Oh, God.

00:30:12.620 And I will tell you, I never in my and most of my career was outside of Washington, D.C.,

00:30:17.600 by the way.

00:30:18.080 Only four years when I was in the Senate were in Washington, other than vice president.

00:30:23.660 I have never in my career as a prosecutor asked a victim or a witness of a crime.

00:30:30.260 Are you a Democrat or a Democrat or a Republican?

00:30:32.400 The only thing I've ever asked is, are you OK?

00:30:36.980 This is the stupidest line.

00:30:38.220 I'm so sick of this effing line.

00:30:39.980 We've gone over this.

00:30:40.840 No prosecutor would ever ask a victim of a crime that question, unless it was a crime

00:30:48.340 of political violence, in which case it might be relevant.

00:30:51.160 You would be fired on your ass that day if you looked at someone who had just been robbed

00:30:56.920 and said, who'd you vote for?

00:30:59.240 Who just wondering if you're on my team?

00:31:02.180 This does not happen.

00:31:03.360 No prosecutor is doing that.

00:31:05.600 She doesn't get points for this.

00:31:07.280 It does not prove she's apolitical and would be apolitical were she elected as president.

00:31:13.920 It was preceded by minutes of inanity before we got to that stock line we're now all so

00:31:21.740 sick of.

00:31:23.220 OK, then we move on.

00:31:25.560 Anderson says, here's another guy.

00:31:28.600 He's a libertarian registered independent.

00:31:31.280 He's undecided.

00:31:32.380 This guy wants to know about grocery prices.

00:31:34.200 They've gone up quite a bit.

00:31:35.560 But, you know, some people blame former President Trump, do they?

00:31:40.080 Some people blame President Biden.

00:31:42.040 Who would you say is correct and what would you do to bring down prices?

00:31:45.920 OK, so, all right.

00:31:47.280 I'm expecting to hear her little price gouging speech, although modified because it's been

00:31:51.420 slammed by the left and the right.

00:31:53.240 But she goes on.

00:31:54.400 Prices of groceries are still too high.

00:31:56.680 You know it.

00:31:57.320 I know it.

00:31:58.160 Americans know it.

00:31:59.260 We need to address this in a number of ways.

00:32:00.820 One, one of my aspects of doing what we need to do.

00:32:06.160 I mean, this is just her filler, right?

00:32:07.500 Her nerves.

00:32:08.080 She doesn't know anything.

00:32:09.200 She has no confidence.

00:32:10.000 One of my aspects of doing what we need to do to bring down the cost of living for working

00:32:15.200 people and the middle class in America is to address the issue of grocery prices.

00:32:19.500 We know that's what we're talking about.

00:32:25.080 He said it repeatedly in his question.

00:32:28.320 Everything you've said prior to this point has just been filler to stave off having to

00:32:34.940 deliver your answer so much.

00:32:37.120 Listen to how she does.

00:32:37.960 I mean, just bear with me, OK?

00:32:39.820 Thank you, Eric.

00:32:40.520 You're absolutely right.

00:32:41.280 You know it.

00:32:41.740 I know it.

00:32:42.120 I think most Americans know it.

00:32:43.400 Prices of groceries are still too high.

00:32:45.300 We need to address it in a number of ways.

00:32:46.960 One of my aspects of doing what we need to do to bring down the cost of living for working

00:32:52.020 people and the middle class in America, just in case you were wondering where we're talking

00:32:55.940 about, is to address the issue of grocery prices.

00:33:00.300 We know, we know that it was said in his question.

00:33:07.020 OK, she goes on.

00:33:10.820 Part of my background and how I come to it is probably a new approach grounded in a lot

00:33:17.040 of my experiences as a former attorney general where I took on price gouging.

00:33:22.720 And part of my plan is to create a new approach.

00:33:24.800 That is the first time that we will have had a national ban on price gouging, which is companies

00:33:32.200 taking advantage of the desperation and need of the American consumer and jacking up prices

00:33:38.040 without any consequences or accountability.

00:33:40.540 Right.

00:33:41.040 Now, first of all, this appears to be an answer to what happened like during covid, where she's

00:33:46.140 bragged that as a G she cracked down on some people or maybe prior to that for taking advantage

00:33:52.140 of like natural disasters and scarcity.

00:33:54.960 That would be a normal thing that an A.G. would do.

00:33:57.400 This is a different problem.

00:33:58.600 This is high prices at the grocery store caused by inflation.

00:34:01.520 That's that's that's everybody agrees.

00:34:03.840 That's what's happened here that you could blame X or Y or Z for the inflation, but the

00:34:08.680 inflation caused the high prices that now she's been trying to make it a matter of price

00:34:12.140 gouging.

00:34:12.660 It's not.

00:34:13.480 They have a one percent margin on their grocery markups.

00:34:16.400 Nobody's marking them up 20 percent and gouging.

00:34:19.380 There's that would be all over her stump speech and Democrat marketing materials if it were happening.

00:34:24.060 It is not a problem of evildoers who run the grocery stores jacking up prices to take

00:34:28.980 advantage of people.

00:34:29.740 It is a problem of inflation.

00:34:31.100 So she goes on talking about her time, you know, she's cracked down on price gougers.

00:34:36.260 We need this new approach.

00:34:38.620 And then we have to make sure there's consequence and accountability again for the price gouging.

00:34:43.640 And but also we have to invest in people's dreams of homeownership.

00:34:47.840 What?

00:34:49.800 Wait, what?

00:34:50.940 Could you please go on about how you're going to help me in the grocery store?

00:34:53.620 Because all you said was a bunch of stuff that's actually not going to work because

00:34:56.240 there's one percent margin.

00:34:57.280 And now you're talking about homeownership, but I'm still worried about how I'm going to pay for

00:35:00.200 my eggs.

00:35:01.020 We haven't done enough with the issue of housing.

00:35:03.440 We got to cut through the red tape.

00:35:04.920 This is all from her economic speech before the Stephanie Rule thing.

00:35:07.660 She did no better in explaining it here than she did with Stephanie Rule.

00:35:11.180 Anderson Cooper, to his credit, follows up.

00:35:13.080 Yes.

00:35:13.400 Good for you.

00:35:15.040 Let me ask you about the price gouging.

00:35:16.980 He says, I looked at your plan.

00:35:19.120 And he tries to redirect her to we are talking about the grocery stores and how you're going

00:35:27.660 to help somebody like this guy, Eric.

00:35:30.120 Listen here.

00:35:31.640 I looked at your plan.

00:35:33.360 You talk about going after price gougers, and I'm quoting from the plan, on essential

00:35:37.940 goods during emergencies or times of crisis.

00:35:41.460 I get that.

00:35:42.500 How does that help, though, someone like Eric with prices that for years the grocery price

00:35:47.200 has just been high?

00:35:48.080 Well, first of all, Anderson, as you know, and obviously CNN has been covering extensively

00:35:53.680 what has been happening in the state of Georgia, North Carolina, Florida.

00:35:58.800 It's a real issue.

00:36:00.420 I was attorney general of California.

00:36:02.440 I was the top law enforcement officer of the biggest state in the country.

00:36:05.280 I took this issue on because it affects a lot of people.

00:36:08.240 And I'm not going to apologize for the fact that we need to actually deal with accountability

00:36:13.460 when these, not all, in fact, most don't, but when companies are taking advantage of

00:36:20.440 the desperation and the need of the American people.

00:36:24.060 She can't do it.

00:36:25.380 She's still on the crisis.

00:36:26.760 She goes, he says, I get that you got your little plan.

00:36:30.880 You're talking about the plan on essential goods during emergencies or time of crises.

00:36:36.400 I get that.

00:36:37.140 But how does that help somebody like Eric here, who's dealing with prices for years at the

00:36:41.200 grocery store that are too high?

00:36:42.180 And she just pretends it wasn't asked.

00:36:44.880 She specifically says Georgia, North Carolina, and Florida.

00:36:47.040 We know she's talking about the hurricanes.

00:36:49.020 And it's a real issue.

00:36:50.600 I was AG.

00:36:51.500 I was a top law enforcement officer of the biggest state in the country.

00:36:54.080 I took this issue on because it affects a lot of people.

00:36:56.300 I'm not going to apologize for the fact that we need to actually deal with accountability.

00:37:02.260 What, who's asking you to apologize?

00:37:05.180 We're asking you for a real answer on what you say is a central plank of your economic plan.

00:37:10.980 What are you, why are you stuck on the hurricane?

00:37:14.420 We're asking about poor Eric who can't pay for milk.

00:37:18.280 And it didn't get any better where we cut it.

00:37:21.760 She went on.

00:37:22.600 We saw it during the pandemic, a supply chain issue.

00:37:26.360 There was a reduction of supply.

00:37:29.040 And then they would inflate the price of everyday necessities.

00:37:32.240 Not to mention, by the way, and I'm thinking, okay, maybe here she's going to pivot to, you

00:37:36.380 know, the everyday guys like Eric and what happens just on a Monday.

00:37:39.060 Never mind during the pandemic or during, you know, to your question, here's the pivot.

00:37:43.220 Not to mention, by the way, Donald Trump should be here tonight to talk with you and answer

00:37:48.540 your questions.

00:37:49.140 He's not.

00:37:49.980 He refused to come.

00:37:51.540 Okay.

00:37:51.800 Back to Donald Trump.

00:37:54.040 But part of his plan is to put in a national sales tax of at least 20%.

00:37:57.740 She's referring to his tariffs.

00:38:00.120 And that will cost you, the American consumer, more money each year.

00:38:04.040 So she doesn't answer.

00:38:04.860 Uh, then he goes to his next question.

00:38:07.920 Uh, let's see, what would be one major policy goal that you could, that, that required congressional

00:38:13.900 action?

00:38:14.340 In other words, like how could you work across the aisle?

00:38:18.120 She doesn't say she refers backward to their infrastructure deal.

00:38:22.260 She says what we've done in terms of gun safety.

00:38:25.780 I mean, there, there weren't, there was not a big, okay.

00:38:29.880 She does.

00:38:30.520 She's not pointing to anything.

00:38:31.320 In other words, she's trying to look back at Biden's record.

00:38:33.660 Um, then they get to, let's talk about Roe versus Wade.

00:38:37.660 That would require 60 votes in the Senate.

00:38:39.560 Just so people know, I think, you know, this, but it's to get legislation passed in the Senate,

00:38:44.140 you need 51 votes.

00:38:45.300 You need a majority over in the house as well.

00:38:47.280 However, to get a vote at all in the Senate, you have to get 60 votes because they can stop

00:38:52.520 a vote on any piece of legislation with a filibuster.

00:38:56.380 The party that has minority rights that that's in the minority in the Senate can stop the bill

00:39:01.080 from even getting a vote.

00:39:02.180 So this happens all the time when they know that the party in the majority has the votes,

00:39:06.460 but it's something really important and they just aren't going to allow it.

00:39:10.840 Uh, they have 51 votes, right?

00:39:13.120 But they don't have 60 votes and you can stop it.

00:39:15.740 You stop it with a filibuster.

00:39:17.140 The Democrats have done this to the Republicans and vice versa for a long time.

00:39:20.500 And, um, that's why Anderson says in this question, we're going to play it,

00:39:24.780 you to codify Roe versus Wade, which is what she says she wants to do, have national legislation

00:39:29.540 implementing Roe versus Wade in all 50 States, which it cannot pass.

00:39:33.160 That is not constitutional.

00:39:34.140 Trust me.

00:39:34.460 They don't have the authority to do that.

00:39:35.740 Um, he's saying that would obviously require 60 votes in the Senate.

00:39:39.920 You don't have it.

00:39:41.020 So what's your plan?

00:39:42.380 Watch.

00:39:43.860 Let me ask you, you've talked about codifying Roe versus Wade.

00:39:47.280 That would obviously require 60 votes in, in the Senate, a majority of the house.

00:39:52.740 That's, that's a big, that's a big leap.

00:39:55.260 You don't, we don't have that yet.

00:39:56.680 If that's not possible to codify it in the house, what do you do?

00:40:01.240 I think we need to take a look at the filibuster and be honest with you.

00:40:05.600 And then she goes on for two paragraphs about Liz Cheney, Trump abortion bans.

00:40:11.380 The women have died.

00:40:12.480 All that nonsense.

00:40:13.180 She's, she's been spinning.

00:40:14.240 You know what comes next, but we need to take a look at the filibuster.

00:40:16.900 This is not the first time she has said this.

00:40:18.800 She wants to eliminate the filibuster.

00:40:20.700 And what she's saying is she wants to eliminate minority rights in the Senate.

00:40:24.960 Now we've been through this.

00:40:27.480 We've been through this.

00:40:29.420 The Democrats got rid of the filibuster when they were in control of the Senate years ago

00:40:35.880 for lower court, federal court judges, because they wanted to get all of Obama's judges through.

00:40:41.940 And they said, we're getting rid of the filibuster.

00:40:43.580 You can't stop votes on these judges anymore.

00:40:46.180 And Mitch McConnell got up there and said, you will rue the day you did this

00:40:49.420 because you will not always be in charge of this chamber.

00:40:52.280 And sure enough, when the Republicans took over control of the Senate and Mitch McConnell

00:40:55.920 became the majority leader, the Republicans got rid of the filibuster for Supreme Court

00:41:01.220 judges.

00:41:02.620 And that is why, that is why we now have a Supreme Court that she loathes.

00:41:09.580 They did it.

00:41:10.820 He said, don't do it.

00:41:12.040 The Republicans said, don't do this.

00:41:13.980 You know that this is a slippery slope and where this is going to take us.

00:41:17.680 They said, F off.

00:41:19.540 We're doing it.

00:41:20.740 And so the Republicans got into office and said, turnabout is fair play.

00:41:24.880 Why wouldn't we follow your rules?

00:41:26.580 And that's why.

00:41:28.000 So the filibuster was eliminated on judges, federal judges.

00:41:32.280 But it's still in place on all other legislation.

00:41:35.460 And she's saying we need to get rid of it to force through a national abortion regime.

00:41:44.680 Number one, Congress doesn't have the power to do this.

00:41:47.420 They have limited, enumerated powers.

00:41:49.640 And the power, the commerce power is their largest power.

00:41:53.340 I don't think that they're going to be able to do this under the commerce power, a national

00:41:56.580 abortion ban.

00:41:57.060 I think it will fail.

00:41:57.880 It will be struck down as unconstitutional.

00:41:59.440 But number two, saying that you want to use the filibuster just for abortion, just for

00:42:05.440 abortion is is a lie, because you tell me what's going to happen when BLM wants a national

00:42:12.680 law saying we need to lower the threshold even further to sue cops who overstep.

00:42:21.640 And.

00:42:23.940 They say we want to we want to eliminate the filibuster on our bill, too, because the Republicans

00:42:27.820 are going to block it.

00:42:29.440 Is Kamala Harris going to look at them?

00:42:31.380 Is her Senate leader going to look at them and say.

00:42:36.740 You're not as important to us as.

00:42:39.660 You know, NARAL, pro-choice America, you're not as important to us as Planned Parenthood,

00:42:44.420 where we're not eliminating the filibuster for your pet issue or like these any of these

00:42:48.520 green companies, these eco warriors.

00:42:51.180 They're no you're you're less important to us than abortion.

00:42:53.460 We're not we're going to let it hold.

00:42:55.100 No, once the filibuster is gone for one, it's gone.

00:42:57.960 It's gone.

00:42:59.560 If you take one specific piece of legislation and say for that one, we'll get rid of it.

00:43:03.600 But not for that one.

00:43:04.800 But not for.

00:43:05.220 But then back for this.

00:43:06.400 Forget it.

00:43:07.140 The U.S.

00:43:07.620 Senate has changed for ever.

00:43:09.760 The institution itself has changed forever.

00:43:12.720 And you've wiped out minority rights.

00:43:15.400 And by the way, in this particular case, you'd be talking about a Senate.

00:43:18.780 We're looking at a Senate that's going to be divided right now.

00:43:20.740 It's 5149.

00:43:22.440 But it's going to be just about that divided on the next Congress.

00:43:25.880 And you're talking about the minority rights in this case will be 50 senators.

00:43:30.400 I mean, you're talking about literally half the country represented by half of this body

00:43:36.100 that whose rights will be wiped out entirely.

00:43:39.760 This is not a small deal.

00:43:42.280 She throws it out there like, yeah, she's not a smart person.

00:43:46.680 She's a hack partisan.

00:43:48.700 Not with certain of the fact she never asked a witness whether they were a Republican or

00:43:51.380 a Democrat.

00:43:52.320 And that's why she can just throw this out there, not realizing what what danger she's

00:43:58.480 spewing.

00:43:59.020 And it will come back to haunt you, Democrats.

00:44:02.440 It will bite you in the ass, just like it did the last time.

00:44:06.440 Proceed with caution.

00:44:08.800 Proceed with extreme caution.

00:44:11.200 These things don't wind up working well for either side.

00:44:15.880 Moving on.

00:44:18.380 She gets a question about how we can expect you to deviate from Biden.

00:44:22.620 She goes into a long story about her mother and how she took care of her mother when she

00:44:27.620 was sick.

00:44:27.960 I mean, clearly somebody has told Kamala Harris that she needs to be more relatable and that

00:44:31.860 she needs to tell like more personal stories.

00:44:33.660 This is why we keep hearing about the, oh, there's a woman who like helped raise us.

00:44:37.040 She helped raise us.

00:44:37.680 She was a small business owner.

00:44:38.560 So I understand small business owners.

00:44:40.140 Okay.

00:44:40.940 That one thing may not actually, you know, all these years ago may not actually give you

00:44:44.300 quite enough insight on the plight of small business owners in 2024 America, but okay.

00:44:49.080 And now clearly they've said something like, would you humanize yourself?

00:44:53.680 Just try something.

00:44:55.420 And she's come up with this.

00:44:57.960 And so I bring to my priorities and will as president, a new approach and a new idea,

00:45:05.740 frankly, about what we need to do to deal with the sandwich generation.

00:45:09.140 My plan and approach says, hey, you shouldn't have to wipe out all your savings to qualify

00:45:15.800 from Medicaid to be able to get support, to hire somebody to help you cook for your parent or help

00:45:22.520 them put on a sweater.

00:45:23.580 Let's invest in the small businesses of America.

00:45:26.160 I, I, I, uh, the woman who helped raise us was a small business owner.

00:45:32.200 I know who small business owners are.

00:45:36.060 She's obsessed with the sweater.

00:45:38.580 She mentions it all the time.

00:45:41.240 Don't take my word for it.

00:45:42.460 Look at this.

00:45:42.820 I took care of my mother when she was sick.

00:45:47.980 And that work is the work of trying to cook something that they feel like eating, right?

00:45:55.820 Um, trying to figure out which clothes will not irritate their skin and help them put on a sweater.

00:46:01.760 I, actually, personal story, I, um, I took care of my mother when she was sick.

00:46:07.080 It's about trying to cook something they feel like eating.

00:46:11.040 It is trying to find clothes that don't irritate their skin or help them put on a sweater.

00:46:16.120 Things where it's just about helping an aging parent or person, um, you know, prepare a meal, um,

00:46:24.880 you know, put their sweater on.

00:46:26.200 The question was, how will your policies differ from Joe Biden's?

00:46:33.680 I am sorry that she lost her mother to cancer.

00:46:37.500 Millions of Americans have.

00:46:38.900 By the way, that's another thing Joe Biden said he'd be fixing that he didn't.

00:46:42.420 Um, but that is not responsive, uh, to how your policies will be different from Joe Biden's.

00:46:49.480 She seems to be trying to say she's going to make Medicare cover the cost of home health care

00:46:57.860 for our seniors.

00:46:59.320 Okay.

00:47:00.140 Good luck with that.

00:47:01.080 And how are we going to pay for that?

00:47:02.560 I mean, I would love to have this.

00:47:03.840 I mean, would you please offer something, anything that has a clear lane to get us from A to B so

00:47:12.420 we can see instead of dreams and ambitions and aspirations that you have hat, what is

00:47:18.760 your plan to get that approved so that we can actually pay for that?

00:47:24.600 Hmm.

00:47:25.600 Anything?

00:47:26.980 Um, Anderson follows up with, you've been in the white house for four years.

00:47:32.000 You were vice president, not president, but why wasn't any of that done for the last four

00:47:36.820 years?

00:47:37.300 And here is my absolute favorite answer of the night.

00:47:42.880 Watch some voters that might ask you've been in the white house for, for four years.

00:47:47.460 You were vice president, not the president, but why wasn't any of that done for the last

00:47:51.840 four years?

00:47:52.960 Well, there was a lot that was done, but there's more to do Anderson.

00:47:56.020 And, and I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done, but need

00:48:00.520 to be done.

00:48:03.460 Oh my God.

00:48:04.220 I mean, that is classic Kamala Harris.

00:48:08.120 There was a lot that was done, but there's more to do.

00:48:10.800 And I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done, but need to be

00:48:14.620 done.

00:48:15.200 That's, that's super bumper sticker friendly.

00:48:18.340 I'm sure her campaign staff was thrilled with that answer.

00:48:23.480 She can't handle the follow-up.

00:48:25.860 She, of course, that's the follow-up.

00:48:27.480 Of course, the follow-up is going to be, why didn't you do any of that while you've been

00:48:30.360 in office?

00:48:30.840 All your wonderful plans about Medicare paying for the seniors and the sweaters.

00:48:36.600 How come that didn't happen?

00:48:38.000 You've been in power for four years.

00:48:39.720 Well, there was a lot that was done, but there's more to do.

00:48:42.960 And I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done, but need to

00:48:45.960 be done.

00:48:46.600 And I'm not going to shy away from saying they need to be done.

00:48:51.060 Done.

00:48:51.520 I tell you, it's, it's amazing to me to watch her struggle.

00:48:55.920 It's super fun.

00:48:56.900 She hasn't gotten any better at it.

00:48:58.060 She's like an odd human in that way.

00:48:59.980 She doesn't like seem to improve even when she's been put out there.

00:49:04.480 However, there's one thing that was better about her last night versus the other appearances.

00:49:10.360 And I'm going to tell you what that was after this quick break.

00:49:14.280 Don't go away.

00:49:15.620 We'll pick it up on the opposite side.

00:49:17.060 And then Ro Khanna will join us after that.

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00:50:22.120 All right, back to the CNN town hall.

00:50:24.020 I wanted to point out too, one of the points she was trying to make against Trump when she

00:50:28.740 was saying how she's just going to be a president for all people and how she's going to bridge

00:50:34.740 the political divide.

00:50:36.640 You know, she said, I never asked a witness of a crime.

00:50:39.260 Are you a Democrat or Republican?

00:50:40.300 I've only asked if you're okay.

00:50:41.920 Well, she goes on to attack Trump in that answer saying, I reference that because as

00:50:46.240 we know, it's been revealed that Donald Trump, when he was president during extreme disasters,

00:50:50.240 when it came time to determine how those areas, those people who had been traumatized by extreme

00:50:55.480 weather would get relief.

00:50:56.740 He asked the question, did they vote for him?

00:50:59.040 I believe the American people deserve better, blah, blah, blah.

00:51:01.460 Well, just FYI, this is based on an allegation that somebody within Team Trump had made.

00:51:11.420 It was a guy named Mark Harvey, who was Trump's senior director for resilience policy on the

00:51:16.720 National Security Council staff.

00:51:18.500 And he said that Trump initially refused to approve disaster aid for California after deadly

00:51:23.880 wildfires in 2018 because of the state's Democratic leanings.

00:51:27.520 But Harvey himself said Trump then changed his mind.

00:51:32.080 He claims that it was because Harvey pulled voting results to show him that places like

00:51:36.660 Orange County had more Trump supporters than the entire state of Iowa.

00:51:40.020 Here's the truth, though.

00:51:42.120 Here's the truth.

00:51:43.200 Former Trump FEMA administrator Brock Long denied that the president ever slow walked aid to any

00:51:48.320 Democratic area.

00:51:49.160 He said this is via Politico.

00:51:51.480 He said the evidence was there in the amount of money that went to California for wildfire

00:51:55.920 recovery and to Puerto Rico after Maria, reporting that the FEMA data shows Trump approved 89

00:52:01.880 disasters in states that opposed him, including 17 in California, which was more money than any

00:52:09.360 state received.

00:52:12.500 There we go.

00:52:13.540 That's it.

00:52:14.460 OK, so.

00:52:17.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:17.720 Anyway, so that's another lie she told.

00:52:19.820 I just want to make sure we were on the same page about that.

00:52:22.000 Here we move on because Anderson did start to press her.

00:52:25.100 I'm probably it was the well, there was a lot that was done, but there's more to do.

00:52:28.500 And I'm pointing out things that need to be done and they haven't been done, but they

00:52:31.080 need to be done.

00:52:31.660 That led Anderson to snap.

00:52:35.060 Who could blame him?

00:52:37.440 She, by the way, said here and at the town hall she did with Telemundo earlier this week,

00:52:42.540 she's in favor of a pathway for citizenship.

00:52:44.840 So FYI, in case you were wondering what she would do with all those illegals in the country

00:52:48.220 right now, she wants them to become citizens.

00:52:50.380 She said it twice now.

00:52:51.360 She said it more than that, actually.

00:52:52.840 She's getting a pass from it from every interviewer.

00:52:55.940 But she wants, quote, a comprehensive pathway for citizenship for illegal immigrants.

00:53:00.100 And then Anderson asks her about just in June, three weeks before the first presidential debate,

00:53:10.740 Joe Biden finally issues an executive order that cracks down on the border.

00:53:16.040 Why didn't you do it back in 2022, back in 2023?

00:53:20.180 And they have a good exchange on this.

00:53:22.780 It's SAAD 8.

00:53:23.220 Your administration took a number, hundreds of executive actions.

00:53:28.940 It didn't stem the flow.

00:53:30.260 Numbers kept going up.

00:53:32.080 Finally, in 2024, just in June, three weeks before the first presidential debate with Joe

00:53:39.100 Biden, you instituted executive actions that had a dramatic impact, really shut down people

00:53:44.360 crossing over.

00:53:45.220 Why didn't your administration do that in 2022, 2023?

00:53:49.240 First of all, you're exactly right, Anderson.

00:53:51.280 And as of today, we have cut the flow of immigration by over half.

00:53:55.660 In fact, the numbers I saw most recently, illegal immigration.

00:53:59.360 But if it was that easy with that executive action, why not do it in 2022, 2023?

00:54:03.080 Because we were working with Congress and hoping that actually we could have a long-term fix to

00:54:07.740 the problem instead of a short-term fix.

00:54:09.240 You couldn't have done one and both at the same time?

00:54:11.220 Well, here's the thing.

00:54:12.080 We have to understand that ultimately, this problem is going to be fixed through congressional

00:54:18.220 action.

00:54:19.380 Congress has the authority and the purse.

00:54:22.720 I hate to use D.C. terms, but literally, they write the checks.

00:54:27.960 Part of the issue is in order to really fix the problem at the border.

00:54:32.060 I was just at the border recently talking with border agents.

00:54:34.600 You know what they talk about?

00:54:35.540 Sure.

00:54:35.840 Yes, they are overwhelmed.

00:54:36.960 They're working around the clock.

00:54:39.020 And the other thing that they talked to me about, we need more judges down there to deal

00:54:42.840 with asylum claims.

00:54:46.080 She doesn't answer.

00:54:47.880 First of all, how condescending is she?

00:54:49.720 She has to explain what the purse means to us.

00:54:51.520 The Congress has the power of the purse.

00:54:52.760 We literally learned that in elementary school.

00:54:54.840 How condescending is she?

00:54:56.240 Because it's new to her, she thinks it's new to the rest of us.

00:54:59.960 Don't mean to use D.C. terms.

00:55:02.120 Hello, you're not George Washington.

00:55:04.600 We know what that Congress has the power of the purse, and we know what that means.

00:55:09.660 It's amazing, because you see her own ignorance being projected onto us as though we share in it.

00:55:15.880 It's like the way I feel when I talk to Doug about some of the figures he studies leading

00:55:20.280 up to World War I.

00:55:21.220 Who?

00:55:21.740 What?

00:55:22.060 Stop saying Prussia.

00:55:24.420 Anyway, here's the comment that I wanted to make to you all.

00:55:28.980 This is my number one takeaway from watching the event last night.

00:55:31.940 They've worked on her style.

00:55:34.600 She started it off more conversational, a little bit more like, sure, I hear you.

00:55:39.860 Yeah, let's talk about that.

00:55:40.960 You know, like, I'm not afraid.

00:55:42.620 Seemed a little bit more relaxed.

00:55:45.280 Wasn't having, like, too many weird cackles, et cetera, though it did come back.

00:55:49.640 And all I could think was they've done work with her.

00:55:51.660 She reportedly took two days off, almost full two days, to work on preparing for this thing.

00:55:56.900 And so they massaged her.

00:55:58.820 Somebody must have said, could you get a little bit away from vocal fria adjacent?

00:56:02.020 Your voice is very grating.

00:56:03.780 If you could try not to go into this higher octave, it would help, you know, keep it down

00:56:08.060 a little lower to where you're not so grating.

00:56:10.060 We are trying to win over some men.

00:56:12.140 And initially she did OK with it.

00:56:14.440 But all I could think is she continued to deflect and not answer, not answer.

00:56:19.120 I mean, he's asking her explicitly.

00:56:20.800 You can't do both.

00:56:21.420 You can't both try to get legislation through Congress on illegal immigration and issue an

00:56:26.060 executive order.

00:56:27.300 There's no answer.

00:56:28.960 She didn't like at one point, if you watch, she literally turned and walked away from him.

00:56:33.920 She was like, holy shit, he's asking follow ups.

00:56:36.060 I don't know the answers.

00:56:37.060 I'm walking.

00:56:37.820 I'm running.

00:56:38.520 I'm out of here.

00:56:39.400 And that's because they may have bolstered Kamala Harris's affect, at least as unleashed

00:56:46.960 in an event like this.

00:56:48.500 But they didn't do anything about the substance.

00:56:52.660 They are unable to train or educate her on substance, on actual problems facing America

00:57:00.200 and possible policy solutions.

00:57:02.300 The main problem that we need a president to help solve comes to policies.

00:57:09.600 It's about policies.

00:57:10.640 It's not about their affect.

00:57:12.900 We don't give a damn how nicely they say inflation is at 11 percent.

00:57:18.120 It doesn't matter to us whether the voice is annoying or pleasant to listen to.

00:57:22.080 We want inflation down.

00:57:23.780 It doesn't matter to us whether she's come up with a new talking point about immigration.

00:57:27.640 What we want is a real answer on why they did nothing about it for three and a half years,

00:57:34.280 something that we could actually swallow as real and persuasive.

00:57:38.900 So they focused all on the looks and not at all on what's going on underneath, which is

00:57:47.400 why I asked my team to pull this clip from Poltergeist.

00:57:52.980 You son of a bitch, you moved the cemetery, but you left the bodies, didn't you?

00:57:58.400 You son of a bitch, you left the bodies and you only moved the headstones.

00:58:02.540 You only moved the headstones.

00:58:06.800 That's it.

00:58:08.720 They only moved the headstones.

00:58:10.740 Oh, fix her hair.

00:58:12.480 Make sure she's in a good outfit.

00:58:14.280 Move her away from the vocal fry.

00:58:16.420 Tonality.

00:58:17.020 It's too much.

00:58:17.740 It's grating.

00:58:18.880 They forgot.

00:58:20.400 There are bodies buried there.

00:58:22.360 No one's going to want to swim in this pool.

00:58:24.840 Somebody work with her.

00:58:26.620 Teach her.

00:58:27.800 Give her a good fucking answer on why immigration wasn't addressed for three and a half years.

00:58:32.920 Somebody.

00:58:34.080 I don't know whether it's the team or whether it's her.

00:58:37.180 I don't.

00:58:37.500 I mean, what I hear is that it's a very smart team.

00:58:39.840 I know David Plouffe is very smart.

00:58:41.620 I've known him for years.

00:58:42.700 He's coming on my show for a decade plus.

00:58:45.860 I don't know.

00:58:47.040 But I know window dressing like that is not going to get it done.

00:58:50.220 And it's why the poll numbers have done what we discussed at the beginning of the show

00:58:54.780 that explaining things to us like the purse.

00:58:57.440 I hate to use D.C. terms.

00:58:59.960 Then Anderson follows up and asks her about the border wall because she keeps saying, I'm

00:59:04.440 going to sign that bill.

00:59:05.260 I'm going to sign that bill.

00:59:06.060 The one that died under President Biden for the border.

00:59:09.560 I'm going to sign it.

00:59:10.480 OK, who's who is going to work with you this time that didn't the last because it was a

00:59:14.700 crappy bill then and it's still a crappy bill.

00:59:16.460 So but Anderson goes a different way, which was interesting, and he said, you know, your

00:59:19.400 bill that you love so much you say you're going to sign has six hundred fifty million

00:59:22.780 dollars in funding for the border wall.

00:59:24.740 You hated the border wall.

00:59:26.240 You purport to hate this thing.

00:59:28.540 Listen to SOT9.

00:59:30.340 You criticized the wall more than 50 times.

00:59:33.100 You called it stupid, useless and a medieval vanity project.

00:59:37.420 Is a border wall stupid?

00:59:39.380 Well, let's talk about Donald Trump and that border wall.

00:59:41.820 So remember, Donald Trump said Mexico would pay for it.

00:59:47.480 Come on.

00:59:48.100 They didn't because we need a president who is grounded in common sense and practical

00:59:54.160 outcomes like let's just fix this thing.

00:59:57.000 Let's just fix it.

00:59:58.500 Why is there any ideological perspective on let's just fix the problem to fix the problem?

01:00:04.340 You're you're doing this compromise bill.

01:00:06.200 It does call for six hundred fifty million dollars that was earmarked under Trump to

01:00:10.240 actually still go to build the wall.

01:00:11.720 I'm not afraid of good ideas where they occur.

01:00:13.680 You know, you don't think it's stupid anymore.

01:00:15.900 I think what he did and how he did it was did not make much sense because he actually didn't

01:00:20.760 do much of anything.

01:00:22.780 I just talked about that wall.

01:00:24.720 Right.

01:00:25.000 We just talked about it.

01:00:25.840 He didn't actually do much of anything.

01:00:28.160 But you do want to build some wall.

01:00:30.520 I want to strengthen our border.

01:00:32.560 You only moved the headstones.

01:00:38.420 All the bodies are still sitting there.

01:00:40.520 They're going to pop up in the pool unless we do something about the actual problem here,

01:00:44.900 sir.

01:00:45.840 Sir, who built this community on top of a graveyard that had a pretty location.

01:00:51.040 You moved headstones and you left bodies.

01:00:52.760 And now we have to deal with these problems because you only fix the window dressing.

01:00:57.660 That's the she doesn't know what she's supporting a border wall that she said was

01:01:02.380 a a medieval vanity project that it was stupid and useless.

01:01:07.620 Nobody prepped her on that.

01:01:09.520 She was caught flat footed.

01:01:11.220 It was obvious to all of us.

01:01:14.420 We need more than the headstones.

01:01:16.520 They moved on to a classic question you get in every job interview and usually in every

01:01:21.320 presidential interview about weaknesses, one's weaknesses.

01:01:25.240 This is meant to humanize you.

01:01:27.100 You're supposed to like say something self-deprecating.

01:01:29.260 We've been through this before.

01:01:30.740 She doesn't do it.

01:01:31.560 She, she can never do it because she has no self-confidence.

01:01:34.640 If you have confidence, you can easily say your numerous weaknesses.

01:01:38.620 I have think about somebody like Tucker.

01:01:40.340 When he comes on the show, we have you, he's the most self-deprecating guy ever.

01:01:43.380 He's jumping on every grenade, taking responsibility for everything.

01:01:46.680 Even the stuff he is probably not even his fault.

01:01:48.640 Like it's me.

01:01:49.360 And that was bad.

01:01:49.920 And I apologize.

01:01:50.420 Like that, that's a sign of a confident human being who knows who he is.

01:01:54.280 This, she's exactly the opposite.

01:01:55.700 Um, here's the question and part of the answer.

01:02:00.500 SOT 12.

01:02:00.980 What weaknesses do you bring to the table and how do you plan to overcome them while you're

01:02:06.840 in office?

01:02:08.200 That's a great question, Joe.

01:02:09.900 Um, well, I am certainly not perfect.

01:02:12.200 So let's start there.

01:02:13.580 And, um, I think that I, perhaps a weakness, some would say, but I actually think it's

01:02:22.060 the strength is I really do value having a team of very smart people around me who bring

01:02:29.540 to my decision-making process, different perspectives.

01:02:35.740 I started my career as a prosecutor.

01:02:38.260 I was a courtroom prosecutor.

01:02:40.500 I may not be quick to have the answer as soon as you ask it about a specific policy issue

01:02:46.380 sometimes, because I'm going to want to research it.

01:02:49.340 I'm going to want to study it.

01:02:51.440 I'm kind of a nerd sometimes, I confess.

01:02:55.980 Is there something you can point to in your life, political life or in your life in the

01:02:59.920 last four years that you think is a mistake that you have learned from?

01:03:05.480 I mean, I've, I, I've made many mistakes.

01:03:08.200 Um.

01:03:10.500 And they range from, you know, if you've ever parented a child, you know, you make lots of

01:03:16.360 mistakes too, um, in my role as vice president.

01:03:20.540 I mean, I've probably worked very hard at making sure that, um, I am well versed on issues.

01:03:30.120 And, um, I think that is very important.

01:03:32.860 It's a mistake not to be well versed on an issue and feel compelled to answer a question.

01:03:36.740 That's not a mistake.

01:03:39.400 So she, she listed no mistake, no mistake, nothing.

01:03:43.100 The very first answer was that here is something that other people say is a weakness, but I

01:03:50.060 think it's a strength.

01:03:51.060 My weakness is my strength, which reminded this.

01:03:53.380 That's why I asked my team to pull this movie clip from Jumanji.

01:03:56.480 Strength is my weakness.

01:04:00.240 Hey, can I, quick question.

01:04:02.560 How is strength my weakness?

01:04:04.800 Somebody explain that to me.

01:04:07.880 Good question, Kevin Hart.

01:04:10.940 It's so sad.

01:04:12.720 She doesn't, I don't know.

01:04:15.540 You know, this is psychological and probably beyond the pale for what I am capable of doing.

01:04:20.640 But like when you grow up without a strong father figure, and I don't know how present

01:04:24.660 her father was in her life.

01:04:25.640 It doesn't seem like they are very, very close or that he was present when she was up in Montreal.

01:04:31.020 Um, I do think it can lead to like, for some, for some little girls in particular, like a,

01:04:37.700 like an emptiness, an inability to believe in oneself.

01:04:41.220 It actually can often make you choose the wrong man too, which by the way, she 100% did.

01:04:47.660 She did, she didn't get married till later in life.

01:04:51.560 And she settled on this guy.

01:04:53.360 And by the way, we'll have to get to it tomorrow because we have too much today, but the accuser

01:04:57.280 of Doug, of Doug Emhoff is, has now done a first person recitation of what happened to her in the

01:05:03.060 Daily Mail today.

01:05:04.380 Highly recommend you go and read it.

01:05:05.680 We'll get into it, uh, tomorrow.

01:05:07.020 We have more time, but yeah, this is not a wife guy.

01:05:10.340 This is not a woman supporter.

01:05:11.940 He's denied the allegations.

01:05:13.320 I believe the allegations.

01:05:14.780 I believe this woman.

01:05:15.880 She's a professional.

01:05:16.760 She's a lawyer.

01:05:18.300 Um, there is zero purpose.

01:05:19.800 And by the way, if, if it isn't true, like I've been saying all along, if it's not true,

01:05:24.760 why doesn't he go to her and tell her to come out and say, it's not true.

01:05:27.420 Now we know because she's standing by it.

01:05:29.660 She's, she's said she's on the record, not with her real name.

01:05:33.080 She's there calling her June or, you know, um, Jane.

01:05:37.620 Um, so it's not under her real name, but she's out there telling the whole story.

01:05:41.880 So she, this is why he couldn't call on her to come out and say, it's not true.

01:05:46.440 And she's a lawyer.

01:05:48.300 Trust me when I tell you the lawyers know what the defamation standard is.

01:05:52.960 And she doesn't seem to be worried at all about getting sued successfully for defamation.

01:06:00.880 Because you know what?

01:06:01.860 Here's a little legal lesson for you.

01:06:03.880 Truth is an absolute defense to any defamation claim.

01:06:07.700 And I believe that is why Doug Emhoff hasn't sued her, hasn't sued the Daily Mail, did not

01:06:15.360 reach out to her in the first instance, say, come out and tell them that this isn't true.

01:06:18.780 And what that leads me to believe is Doug Emhoff is a woman beater.

01:06:24.660 He has a hair trigger.

01:06:26.360 They weren't even fighting.

01:06:27.620 And he wailed on her across the face and wasn't even apologetic about it.

01:06:33.020 The next day, he laughed it off because she hit him back.

01:06:38.120 You got one cross court and down the middle.

01:06:40.140 We're good.

01:06:41.680 That's her husband.

01:06:43.620 So I don't know what's wrong with Kamala Harris, but she doesn't have confidence.

01:06:48.240 She doesn't have a sense of self that goes beyond these inane stories we've heard time

01:06:53.160 and time again.

01:06:54.040 I don't even think she's got much life experience.

01:06:56.120 I think she went into a government job that probably took up most of her time.

01:07:00.220 It's probably why she didn't get married till later in life.

01:07:02.960 And now they're asking a lot of her.

01:07:05.920 They're asking her to give us things she doesn't have.

01:07:09.120 And it shows.

01:07:10.960 Okay.

01:07:11.700 Last but not least, you know, you couldn't end, you couldn't end without her getting her

01:07:17.580 favorite line in, which she did in SOT 14.

01:07:19.740 Let's get things done and let's not be afraid of having a little joy to the point of, you

01:07:28.640 know, what gives you, what makes you feel good about your work?

01:07:32.140 Let's, let's do it in a way that is grounded in optimism.

01:07:35.440 You know, the thing that I think we all know about who we are as the American people, we

01:07:39.700 are people who are ambitious.

01:07:41.860 Oh boy.

01:07:42.480 We have aspirations.

01:07:43.480 We have dreams.

01:07:44.960 We are inherently optimistic, inherently optimistic.

01:07:52.460 I hope that lowers your grocery bills.

01:07:54.860 I really do.

01:07:55.740 I hope, I hope her, her joy and her description of you and us as aspirational and ambitious

01:08:03.980 and having dreams, lowers your gas prices, gets you a job, finds you a house, closes the

01:08:11.320 border, gets the illegal immigrants out of your community, saves your child from the trans

01:08:16.840 insanity.

01:08:17.640 I hope it does because the actual Kamala Harris, who, when she's removed from those lines, she

01:08:24.460 likes to repeat it over and over, is in favor of all the things that cause those problems

01:08:28.700 to begin with.

01:08:29.600 That's where we are.

01:08:30.420 Up next, Congressman Ro Khanna.

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01:09:30.780 Just a dozen days to go.

01:09:37.200 Just a dozen.

01:09:38.440 Until we could know, could, who the next president of the United States will be.

01:09:42.980 My next guest was firmly Team Biden until the president dropped out of the race.

01:09:47.660 Since then, he's gotten behind Vice President Kamala Harris.

01:09:50.060 We've got a lot to discuss with him on the election and the issues, so let's get right

01:09:53.340 to it.

01:09:54.140 Joining me now, Ro Khanna, Democrat and U.S. Representative for the great state of California.

01:09:59.020 Congressman Khanna, welcome to the show.

01:10:01.220 Thank you for having me.

01:10:02.240 Really appreciate it.

01:10:04.120 Okay, so set the scene as you see it right now in the presidential election, because we've

01:10:07.780 heard from Democrats, we've heard from Republicans, but we've heard from more on the right than

01:10:11.960 we have from the left on how they see this race right now.

01:10:15.200 And I, in my position, have been asking myself, am I getting straight analysis or am I getting

01:10:21.020 wishful thinking?

01:10:22.660 So if you can give me your perspective on where things stand, I'll probably wind up asking

01:10:27.380 the same question, but I'd love to hear it anyway.

01:10:28.960 Well, I usually text them more Calprin, who you had on to find out exactly the state of

01:10:34.900 the race.

01:10:35.420 But look, I think it's a coin flip.

01:10:37.520 I think it depends on who turns out.

01:10:39.940 The theory of the case for the Democratic Party is that the polls are within a point of

01:10:46.200 two in all the battleground states, that you're going to have a huge turnout of women, that

01:10:51.100 we are obviously winning with women and women are more reliable voters, that young people

01:10:56.660 are going to turn out.

01:10:57.580 I'm going to be hitting the college campuses in Michigan and Georgia this weekend.

01:11:02.600 And that our voters at the end of the day are more reliable.

01:11:07.380 Our turnout operation with David Plouffe and Jennifer O'Malley-Dillon is phenomenal.

01:11:12.600 And that that's what's going to fuel us to victory.

01:11:15.260 But, you know, everyone acknowledges it's a it's a very, very close race in those battlegrounds.

01:11:20.220 It would go either way.

01:11:22.580 What we played earlier in the show, David Axelrod reacting to Kamala Harris's town hall

01:11:27.000 on CNN last night and and raising an issue I know you've seen, everyone has seen, which

01:11:32.160 is her, quote, word salad answers.

01:11:34.020 And he seems somewhat dejected about that still being a problem this late in the race.

01:11:41.340 A lot of theories on why she does that.

01:11:43.800 Ro, what what do you think?

01:11:45.180 Why does she talk like that?

01:11:47.580 Well, I've known her for over 20 years.

01:11:49.860 I've known her since she was a district attorney in San Francisco.

01:11:53.380 And she's obviously incredibly bright, incredibly talented.

01:11:56.660 I think what happens is when she gets on an interview, she's very cautious and she doesn't

01:12:02.340 want to say something that may contradict something she said in the past or that may

01:12:08.180 contradict the president.

01:12:09.560 And my view is you just got to get out there, be yourself, let it rip, let the chips fall

01:12:15.440 where they may.

01:12:16.520 But when she is hesitating or when you have those long answers, it's not that she doesn't

01:12:23.120 know an answer or have the facts.

01:12:24.760 It's that she's very cautious.

01:12:26.460 So that's just been her temperament.

01:12:29.260 Hmm.

01:12:30.400 Do you think it's hurting her with the in the polls?

01:12:34.660 Well, I'd say this.

01:12:35.600 I think our closing argument needs to be, what are we going to do for the country?

01:12:39.480 What are we going to do for people?

01:12:40.660 My view is for 40, 50 years, you've got the hollowing out of the middle class in America,

01:12:45.400 the hollowing out of the working class.

01:12:47.040 We've gone from 53rd in income inequality in the world to 128th in my district, Silicon Valley,

01:12:53.080 $12 trillion of wealth.

01:12:54.720 You've got Apple, Google, NVIDIA.

01:12:56.760 But you look at Johnstown, Pennsylvania, look at Youngstown, Ohio, Downriver, Michigan.

01:13:01.260 The manufacturing left.

01:13:02.540 We made a colossal mistake.

01:13:04.100 Industry left.

01:13:05.140 Now, President Trump, former President Trump is saying he has a vision of how to get it

01:13:08.760 back.

01:13:09.360 The reality is twice the manufacturing came back under Joe Biden because you've got

01:13:13.440 to invest in factories.

01:13:14.940 You've got to invest in modern technology.

01:13:16.680 And that should be our closing argument, that we have a better vision for the reindustrialization

01:13:21.540 of this country, for creating good jobs in places left out than Donald Trump does.

01:13:25.900 We have better policies.

01:13:27.120 That should be the closing argument.

01:13:29.360 I mean, Donald Trump created millions of manufacturing jobs, and then they were lost in one fell swoop

01:13:34.300 during COVID.

01:13:35.320 But still, it was a net positive for Donald Trump.

01:13:38.140 It's not true.

01:13:39.240 She says that he wiped out manufacturing jobs, but it's not true.

01:13:42.860 Even the independent fact checkers have said that.

01:13:45.040 But having said that, I agree with you on your diagnosis of the problem that we need

01:13:49.480 to bring back the American middle class in manufacturing and so on.

01:13:52.620 And I know this is something that you worked even with J.D. Vance on.

01:13:57.000 So I feel like you and J.D. Vance probably disagree on virtually everything outside of this.

01:14:02.900 How did you do that?

01:14:04.240 How were you able to work with J.D. Vance on an issue like this?

01:14:07.880 Yeah.

01:14:08.120 And I don't want to imply, because I try to be fair, that all the manufacturing jobs are

01:14:12.360 wiped out under Donald Trump.

01:14:13.880 What I'm saying is just that Joe Biden's policies with the Chips and Signs Act, with

01:14:17.620 funding factories, that you have to be willing to have government investment to build new

01:14:22.420 factories, in my view, to be able to re-industrialize the country.

01:14:25.700 Well, J.D. Vance, Tim Ryan, who we ran against, and I, in around 2018, don't quote me on the

01:14:31.540 exact year, led, actually, venture capitalists from Silicon Valley to say that we've got to

01:14:37.620 make more investment in Ohio across the state.

01:14:42.160 And he had joined us for a bus tour through the state with these Valley entrepreneurs.

01:14:49.600 And so it was part of Steve Case's Rise to the Rest initiative that we've got to make sure

01:14:54.840 that all our venture capital isn't just in Silicon Valley, New York, or Massachusetts.

01:14:59.540 I think the good news is that there is a new generation of Americans who believe that this

01:15:04.960 country made a mistake when we let steel leave, when we let aluminum leave, when we let shipbuilding

01:15:10.820 leave, that if we want to lead against China, we need to build a modern industrial base, and

01:15:16.500 then we can have different ideas about how we get there.

01:15:18.800 And I have a very different vision than Senator Vance.

01:15:21.760 But my hope is that this country could argue on the policies of what's going to build the country

01:15:26.040 instead of just mudslinging in the final few weeks.

01:15:30.320 That's remarkable.

01:15:31.780 I mean, it sort of gives you hope for the future, that you could have across party lines,

01:15:35.860 cooperation on the issues where they make sense, because not everything is totally politicized

01:15:40.100 and has these deep cultural or political divides.

01:15:44.420 It'd be nice to see some cooperation, no matter who wins on November 5th.

01:15:49.200 OK, so now let's get to the disagreement, because I know you and I have a deep disagreement

01:15:53.200 about what's happening with the trans issue.

01:15:57.220 And I really see this as the women's rights issue of our time.

01:16:00.660 Many of my fellow women see it that way as well.

01:16:03.320 I have a daughter, and I'm very concerned about what's going to happen to her if things

01:16:08.240 keep going the way they have been under the Biden-Harris administration.

01:16:12.200 Let's just start with what's being done to children and how we are giving them puberty blockers

01:16:19.360 into cross-sex hormones and actually chopping off healthy body parts and pretending that a child

01:16:25.240 can give, quote, informed consent to any of that.

01:16:30.020 Do you support it?

01:16:32.680 Well, let me start with high principles.

01:16:35.820 I think that we're a kind people.

01:16:37.960 We believe in treating other people with respect.

01:16:40.880 And a lot of trans kids who are bullied in school, who are harassed, I'm sure you'd agree

01:16:46.340 that that's wrong.

01:16:47.600 And so maybe we can start with a principle that every person, regardless of whether they're

01:16:51.320 trans or not, needs to be treated with respect and kindness and love.

01:16:55.380 That's whether you come from the Hindu faith like me or the Christian faith or whether you

01:16:58.820 just believe in American ideals.

01:17:01.520 Those are basic principles.

01:17:03.900 I do believe that those decisions should be between a person, their doctor, and their family.

01:17:10.300 Now, if they're a minor, they need to make sure that their parents are consenting and on board

01:17:16.820 because those are very significant medical decisions.

01:17:19.560 They're often very painful and difficult decisions.

01:17:22.920 But let's look back at this ad that the Trump campaign has been running.

01:17:27.420 Just the facts of that.

01:17:28.000 No, we'll get there.

01:17:28.620 We'll get there.

01:17:29.080 Now, stay with me if you would, if you don't mind, because there's a lot to go through.

01:17:32.720 Sure.

01:17:33.160 Now, I agree with you, no bullying and be kind 100%, especially when it comes to children.

01:17:38.060 However, those terms get used to try to force injuries on young girls that, you know, Riley

01:17:46.520 Gaines was told to be kind and that it would be bullying for her to stand up for her rights.

01:17:51.140 The girls on the UPenn women's swim team were told that it was unkind to not want an intact

01:17:57.060 male, Leah Thomas, on their team and that the problem was them and their own psychology if

01:18:03.300 they didn't want to get naked in front of him and then go out there and race.

01:18:06.820 That those terms should not be exploited to take advantage of women and girls and their

01:18:11.300 natural empathy, which they bring to virtually every situation.

01:18:15.020 And so let's just go back to what's happening with children, though, because a child cannot

01:18:19.880 consent.

01:18:20.360 A child cannot consent to get a tattoo under a certain age.

01:18:24.100 They cannot.

01:18:24.720 A parent cannot take the child into a bar and say, I consent with my child for you to give

01:18:30.320 her a vodka martini because the law recognizes that there are inherent dangers to children

01:18:34.760 and that they themselves cannot consent to the damage that could be done to them by this

01:18:38.020 procedure.

01:18:38.560 That's where the that's where puberty blockers into cross sex hormones and chopping off healthy

01:18:43.880 body parts falls.

01:18:45.620 Can you defend it?

01:18:47.800 Well, I think that parents need to be able to to have a say.

01:18:51.920 I don't.

01:18:53.120 I think that's the law in California.

01:18:54.680 You can correct me if I'm wrong.

01:18:56.620 But my understanding is that the law is that if you are a minor, you need not only a doctor,

01:19:02.600 but your parents consent before taking on any of these medical procedures.

01:19:09.080 Yes, I agree.

01:19:09.980 I agree.

01:19:10.540 Although more and more states are saying now you don't.

01:19:13.900 Minnesota, you can do it without your parents, thanks to Tim Walls.

01:19:17.220 But even that was even too much for Gavin Newsom to say, you know, the parents shouldn't be

01:19:21.920 involved.

01:19:22.240 But my point to you is parents.

01:19:24.420 How can a parent take a an 11 or 12 year old and say, I am going to make sure that you

01:19:32.080 never have sexual pleasure again in your life?

01:19:34.100 This is not controversial.

01:19:35.100 If you go to puberty blockers into cross sex hormones, you will never achieve orgasm ever.

01:19:39.640 How can a parent say, I, I consent to that for my 11 year old.

01:19:42.980 They don't even know what an orgasm is.

01:19:44.520 And I'm sorry to raise something so graphic, but this is what was being debated by the

01:19:49.380 experts within the W path.

01:19:51.420 Like there were experts who were expressing real concern saying, I don't think a kid can

01:19:55.820 actually consent to a lifetime of no sexual pleasure.

01:19:59.260 And they decided to run from even disclosing any of this.

01:20:02.340 They just said, let's just, let's just run from this because people won't support these

01:20:05.920 procedures if they know this.

01:20:07.200 Like that's child abuse, Ro.

01:20:09.260 Well, if I'm like, the grandparents who I know, uh, and who I've had these conversations

01:20:15.120 with, and there may be a handful say that a lot of times, first, it's not usually at

01:20:20.500 11 or 12, it's usually at 13, 14, 15.

01:20:23.020 They say that these are often very, very painful discussions.

01:20:26.040 These are difficult discussions.

01:20:28.000 Uh, they don't just jump to surgery or, uh, or the more at most extreme that that's sort

01:20:33.180 of the, uh, the, the, the, the, the last resort, that there is a lot of conversation that takes

01:20:39.140 place with the child, with parents, with the medical professionals, with psychologists,

01:20:43.920 uh, to decide what is the best course.

01:20:47.200 And, and I guess that my view is I trust the American family.

01:20:51.920 I trust American doctors.

01:20:53.700 Uh, I trust them to make those decisions, uh, very difficult decisions.

01:20:57.320 And I, I don't think politicians should be, uh, dealing with this.

01:21:00.940 And I wish we could just find a way to find common ground on this so we could talk about

01:21:04.860 how we bring manufacturing back, how we bring prosperity for families, how we make sure

01:21:08.840 America leads over China and how we make sure we're the greatest country and remain the greatest

01:21:13.140 country in the world.

01:21:14.460 I think that's what most Americans want us talking about.

01:21:16.860 They want us to find common ground here in a way they can respect difference.

01:21:21.360 And look, the people who, I would not say that people who have differences opinion on this

01:21:24.880 are unkind.

01:21:25.700 I think that we should not have censorship.

01:21:28.380 And one of the reasons I've come on your program, I come on, uh,

01:21:30.840 Fox news, I think we need to have an exchange of ideas and we need to have free expression

01:21:34.780 ideas, civil exchange, but I wish there was a way to move forward on these issues, uh,

01:21:40.240 with some grace, uh, because that's what this country needs.

01:21:45.560 I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said in the back half of that answer.

01:21:49.140 However, it's a hard no to the ongoing abuse of children for me and millions of others.

01:21:54.700 Now, this is becoming a massive issue in this campaign and nationally and with women and with

01:21:59.540 moms everywhere.

01:22:00.300 And I guarantee it's soon coming to a district near you.

01:22:03.660 Um, we cannot cut off healthy body parts from children who are incapable of consenting to that.

01:22:11.120 And they are not medically necessary.

01:22:12.680 A parent should not be in the position of saying that's okay.

01:22:15.780 Parents are not allowed to consent to the torture of their children,

01:22:18.900 to the sterilization of their children, row puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones,

01:22:24.620 usually almost in all cases results in sterility, sterility, forget, forget chopping off body parts.

01:22:32.380 You, everybody makes it sound like it's a nothing it's, it's much more than a nothing.

01:22:36.840 Yes.

01:22:37.380 Puberty blockers start young.

01:22:38.840 They can start as young as 11 when puberty starts.

01:22:40.860 That's when you give it to a child so that you go right from those into the cross-sex hormones.

01:22:44.980 And then your sexual pleasure is done.

01:22:46.820 And so is your ability to ever have a child.

01:22:49.520 That's before they take out one scalpel.

01:22:52.000 How can you support it?

01:22:53.460 And, and by the way, just the second point, the medical community has been co-opted.

01:22:57.920 They have been told by their bodies that govern them that the only acceptable standard is to affirm.

01:23:03.260 And therefore we're seeing child after child go in there and not get counseling about the parents' divorce,

01:23:07.820 the bullying that may have had happened because she was overweight,

01:23:11.200 discomfort she's having because she's a natural girl growing through girl puberty.

01:23:14.980 All those things that they will get past, they will get past if only someone does not intervene.

01:23:20.480 And so the medical community cannot be trusted, Roe.

01:23:25.200 Well, that's where one of the places where we may have disagreement is I do think that

01:23:30.420 if you have counseling, if you have thoughtful psychologists, if you have thoughtful doctors,

01:23:35.340 and if you have parents involved, that, that, that I trust the family and the doctors to make the right decision.

01:23:43.320 Now, I will say, and maybe we've, you would concede this, that there are people who genuinely need a gender transition.

01:23:51.140 I mean, there always have been historically.

01:23:53.120 Do you agree with that, that in certain cases?

01:23:55.560 It is a very, not only do I understand this, but I have this in my own family.

01:24:00.800 This is not about me disliking trans people or, or denying that there are some people who suffer from general, general, um, gender dysphoria.

01:24:10.060 However, it is a, an infinitesimally small amount of the population in nine times, 99% of those cases are men and they know it from the time there too.

01:24:20.140 And this is not something what's happening right now, for example, with girls on high school campuses is a social contagion.

01:24:27.120 It's a social contagion that's been documented by Lisa Lipman at Brown.

01:24:31.080 Others like Abigail Schreier, wall street journal reporter in her book, irreversible damage.

01:24:34.980 And what we are doing rather than entertaining that is having from the top down psychologists and psychiatrists being told by their industries,

01:24:41.700 they must affirm any express gender confusion or possibly face loss of their license and, and worse.

01:24:48.380 And so you are getting yeses to girls who are a clear no, and then they're medicalized and surgicalized in a way that they can never recover from.

01:24:58.300 I want to play for you, Chloe Cole, who is now what they would call a D transitioner to whom this happened.

01:25:04.340 And to her, her parents were fooled as well by the medical community, not by Chloe watch.

01:25:10.460 Pretty much every doctor, every physician and every, every psychologist I've had was affirming.

01:25:15.660 And they told my parents, like, I mean, less than 1% of people regret transitioning, and they never presented any other options.

01:25:25.500 And they even told them that, I mean, were I not to go down this route, then I would be at risk of suicide, which I wasn't even suicidal by that point.

01:25:34.440 So Chloe's upon which you based decisions to actually have surgeries and take dramatic steps to change, quote, change your gender.

01:25:41.860 Yes, last year, I, I reached out to my surgeon to report that not only that I had regretted my mastectomy, but also that I was having complications from it.

01:25:55.300 I mean, all I could really get with him was about a five minute call to resume.

01:25:59.400 And the whole time, it felt like he was being very dismissive.

01:26:02.780 And that was the last time I trusted anybody on the team that helped me to transition.

01:26:10.880 She was 15, Roe.

01:26:12.140 They gave her a double mastectomy, and she is not alone.

01:26:16.160 Can't you see this needs to stop?

01:26:18.480 Well, if my heart goes out to her, that's awful.

01:26:20.600 That's an awful story.

01:26:21.880 And obviously, she was not given the proper advice.

01:26:27.520 She was not given the proper information.

01:26:29.080 And I think that there should be strong regulations on making sure that doctors are being objective, that counselors are being objective, that the patient and the families are being centered in getting the responsible choices before them.

01:26:49.940 And the consequences of their decisions.

01:26:51.760 And this is something that is a very, very difficult decision.

01:26:55.220 And most people who I know, I mean, the few trans families that I know, it's very, very painful, the conversations.

01:27:01.420 They don't take these things lightly.

01:27:03.680 So if there is, because we started with what could be common ground, one place there may be common ground in this issue could be how do we make sure that the doctors and psychologists involved are really making sure that they're providing full information,

01:27:19.140 transparent information, and centering patient choice.

01:27:22.680 Well, what's happening now is that they're being accused of doing conversion therapy on these kids if they explore any issue other than gender dysphoria.

01:27:30.540 And therefore, they don't.

01:27:31.960 They just affirm.

01:27:33.120 It needs to be mandated.

01:27:35.480 They need to be forced to not punish doctors who want to have a full exploration of what a child's issues are.

01:27:42.500 But we have to do what Sweden and most of Scandinavia and the UK has done, which is to ban puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for the children, not to mention surgical.

01:27:52.960 Why should Scandinavia be ahead of us?

01:27:56.760 They're as left as they come, Ro.

01:27:58.560 They're ahead of us on this saying all the studies, the Cass report, no good has come from it.

01:28:03.260 But there is no proven medical benefit from any of this, from the puberty blockers and cross-sex.

01:28:08.080 We've fallen into a social contagion here, and we are sacrificing our kids like lambs to the slaughter.

01:28:14.920 I'm sorry to ask a question and move on.

01:28:16.840 You can answer it if you want.

01:28:17.780 But I want to ask you about-

01:28:19.180 I want you, Megan, to cite Scandinavia to also support Medicare for All and free childcare and some of the other parts of Scandinavian investment in human families.

01:28:29.580 Listen, I spent June over there learning about all of this, but this is about life and death for children.

01:28:36.480 So right now, this is my issue.

01:28:38.080 I'm a mom.

01:28:38.720 Somebody else, I'm sure, is fighting the Medicare stuff.

01:28:41.560 I appreciate it.

01:28:42.500 Look, I appreciate it.

01:28:43.120 We obviously have a disagreement in that I don't think it should be banned, to be clear.

01:28:49.000 I think that there needs to be regulation.

01:28:51.060 But I appreciate that we can have a difficult conversation civilly without a fear of engaging in this kind of conversation and without name-calling.

01:29:02.680 And the reality is, again, on this and other issues in America, there are deeply divided opinions.

01:29:07.580 And we have to figure out how, not just in the media, but with our neighbors, with our friends, with our communities, to have more real, honest conversations so we can try to find out where we agree, where we disagree, where there can be common ground.

01:29:18.560 So I agree with that, all of that.

01:29:22.560 I got to ask you about boys and girls sports, because that's also an issue I think we disagree on.

01:29:28.000 And one that's really emerged in the closing hours of this campaign as something important.

01:29:33.640 I mean, you're seeing, like, Colin Allred down in Texas deny that he ever was in favor of it.

01:29:38.460 But his voting record belies that.

01:29:40.960 He has voted to allow boys who say they're girls to play in girls sports.

01:29:45.440 How can you support that?

01:29:48.840 Because we've seen girls get injured.

01:29:50.880 We've seen girls just denied the glory of winning by boys who are a lot stronger than they are, a lot taller than they are, and who really just, frankly, don't belong in their sport.

01:29:59.220 Well, I think there have to be standards and competitive standards of fairness.

01:30:03.400 I mean, the Olympics have that.

01:30:04.780 You can have that at a college level where there are different ways of having standards to make sure that someone doesn't have, a trans athlete doesn't have an unfair competitive advantage.

01:30:14.540 Those standards are, I would say, for the experts to come up with like they have in the Olympics, like they have in some collegiate sports.

01:30:22.480 But when you're talking about the sports of young kids, you know, kids who play flag football or other things that are for kids.

01:30:34.180 I don't think that.

01:30:34.880 We're not talking about the seven-year-olds.

01:30:36.480 Nobody's talking about the seven-year-olds.

01:30:37.880 We're talking about boys who pass through boy puberty.

01:30:40.780 Well, look, right when you're talking about junior high or in that age grade, I don't think that, when you're talking pre-high school, I don't think that's where the trans athletes have some competitive advantage.

01:30:54.340 It's usually trans athletes, just statistically, they, as you know, because of the concerns you've highlighted, they often have psychological issues.

01:31:02.500 They often feel isolated.

01:31:04.660 They're not the best athletes.

01:31:06.160 And so if being on some team is going to give them a sense of belonging in junior high or high school, you know, I put that in the let's not be cruel, let's be kind, let's be inclusive.

01:31:15.300 Now, when you're talking about competitive sports.

01:31:16.900 Well, what's your evidence that they're not the best athletes when playing against girls?

01:31:20.980 Well, my understanding from the studies I've seen is under high school that this hasn't been an issue.

01:31:25.980 Now, I can see that in collegiate sports.

01:31:28.540 What studies?

01:31:29.440 That's not true.

01:31:31.000 It's an issue.

01:31:31.480 Have you seen?

01:31:31.980 I mean, there was just, there was just a number out, uh, put out by, uh, in the European news, just, just today talking about the number of girls medals that had been lost to boys who are, uh, from the UN, um, to boys who are playing in their sports, not to mention injuries.

01:31:46.880 I mean, I'll give you another volleyball in North Carolina.

01:31:51.420 She was on our episode on our show on episode five 39.

01:31:54.380 Listen to her talk about what happened when a boy posing as a girl spiked the ball in her face.

01:31:58.940 So 33, what are the lasting effects from what happened to you?

01:32:04.740 I have impaired vision.

01:32:06.720 So I have to, I had to get my glasses, uh, redone.

01:32:11.660 I have partial paralysis on my right side.

01:32:14.880 So my right side lags slightly.

01:32:19.020 Um, I, I have really bad headaches and, but not as bad, but they just, they've getting, they're getting better.

01:32:27.100 But, uh, I do have bad headaches.

01:32:29.320 I have to have accommodations at school and test in separate rooms and get extra help when that's never been a problem before.

01:32:39.520 I mean, what do you say to her?

01:32:41.980 How do you justify telling me that she's got to let boys play?

01:32:45.660 Well, that's heartbreaking what happened to her and, and, and, and to her family.

01:32:49.180 Now, was she in school?

01:32:50.420 I couldn't tell from the clip whether she was in college or what grade she was in.

01:32:53.940 High school, high school, well, what I would then say is that there have to, there have to be, even in high school, those standards of, uh, of, of making sure that someone doesn't have, uh, more, uh, prowess, uh, and, and isn't, uh, uh, going to be uncompetitive.

01:33:11.800 I mean, that, that standard that they have at the Olympics in, in colleges, you can apply that in, in high schools as well.

01:33:18.460 I mean, they're, the, these are difficult issues.

01:33:20.640 But they're not, but they're, they're not like in, in North Carolina, that was her state.

01:33:25.640 They weren't, um, in Connecticut where I live, we've had on the girls.

01:33:29.820 We, I mean, we're deep in this.

01:33:31.620 We've had on the girls who are forced to race against boys who are middling athletes on the boys team.

01:33:36.440 Then, then said that they were actually girls and started racing with the girls.

01:33:40.860 They weren't forced to do a single thing, not take a single hormone.

01:33:43.500 They've been through male puberty.

01:33:44.800 Their legs were longer.

01:33:45.980 Their heart and lung capacity was larger.

01:33:47.960 They were stronger.

01:33:49.080 They had all the testosterone advantages that any male has.

01:33:52.880 And they were allowed to race against these girls and take the medals.

01:33:55.500 It, it became a national case in state after state.

01:33:58.580 They're not requiring them to do anything.

01:33:59.940 And frankly, even when they do require testosterone suppression, any male athlete has an inherent physical advantage over the female.

01:34:07.380 If he's been through male puberty, it's not even disputable.

01:34:11.840 Well, I don't know about that.

01:34:12.820 There are a lot of women athletes are better than me and were in, in, in high school.

01:34:16.880 So I don't know if that's a, uh, that's always the case.

01:34:19.700 There's some great women athletes as I'm sure you would concede, but the, the point is that there have to be fairness standards.

01:34:25.680 There have to be standards for making sure that someone doesn't have an uncompetitive advantage.

01:34:30.620 You yourself said as a seven-year-old, it doesn't matter.

01:34:32.540 So there's some balance, right?

01:34:34.340 There, there's, there's such a few people who are trans.

01:34:37.140 It's probably less than 1% of the population.

01:34:39.440 We want to, as a country, make sure that they feel included, that they don't feel discriminated against, that they, they, they feel that they belong.

01:34:46.120 On the same time, we want to make sure that they don't, uh, harass or, uh, in terms of, uh, they don't put an unfair, don't have an unfair advantage.

01:34:54.400 And someone who's on the other team doesn't feel that they, uh, are competing unfairly.

01:34:59.600 And that is the standard that school districts across this country states have to, have to figure out.

01:35:04.600 And I, I think it's not.

01:35:05.900 I gotta say that I don't, I don't care about them feeling included.

01:35:08.320 I have zero care about a male who says he's female feeling included in my private spaces and my daughter's private spaces and sports.

01:35:19.420 That is not the highest goal.

01:35:22.040 This is an area in which two ethical goals are going to conflict, which is the need to be kind and the need to protect women and girls.

01:35:29.860 And when those two goals conflict, we must side with the safety of girls.

01:35:33.680 We must.

01:35:34.320 And that's why I'm fine with an open category for trans athletes.

01:35:38.360 That's fine.

01:35:39.180 That's fair.

01:35:39.960 I would support it, but the answer should not be as it is now.

01:35:44.960 Girls lose.

01:35:46.140 Girls are endangered.

01:35:47.500 Girls have to suck it up in the name of being kind.

01:35:50.260 That's it's deeply immoral.

01:35:53.060 I think safety has to be prioritized.

01:35:55.980 I think of course that, uh, the competitiveness has to, but I think we can do both.

01:36:00.580 And I think we can do it at a certain age, age grade in terms of schools, and we can do it in terms of those standards.

01:36:07.480 And I, I think communities can have these conversations and states after states and school districts after school districts and, and do that.

01:36:15.220 But what I'll, I'll say, Megan, is that this issue because, uh, is, is, is one of the issues that has torn us apart as a country.

01:36:24.120 I mean, it has really, uh, that there's no space for conversation.

01:36:28.460 People understandably come at it with great passion.

01:36:31.520 Uh, it used to be the case that whether you were pro-life or whether you believe, as I do, that a woman has the right to make those decisions, that we were able to have those conversations at places, understanding and respecting where others were coming from and saying, look, we're Americans.

01:36:44.840 Let's figure out what we can do and go forward.

01:36:46.900 And I guess my fear on this is I, I'm not dismissing your view or your concern with the safety of women.

01:36:53.240 My fear is that the way that this has been politicized often to win elections, not because people are really, uh, concerned about the morality at stake.

01:37:02.120 It's, it's, it's, it's an electioneering tactic is further dividing our country at a time.

01:37:06.440 We don't need that.

01:37:08.140 I see.

01:37:08.740 I see it very differently.

01:37:09.700 This issue has been ignored.

01:37:10.920 You weren't allowed to say what I am saying, what my actual worldview is, and I have the right to say it and hold it, uh, for all this time.

01:37:19.400 Since this exploded as a national issue, you'd get censored on YouTube.

01:37:22.660 The mainstream media won't use, they'll only use preferred pronouns, which is a gateway drug to all sorts of things.

01:37:29.080 They won't tell the truth about these drugs and so on.

01:37:31.340 And only now are we finding the strength, the women are in numbers, like those girls out in the volleyball team in San Jose, uh, to say, no, we are not going to live like this.

01:37:42.400 And that's what made it into an election issue issue.

01:37:46.580 Extreme positions like Kamala Harris trying to use taxpayer funding to get trans surgeries for prisoners and illegal immigrants.

01:37:52.820 And that, finally, Trump saw it as insane and made a thing out of it.

01:38:00.000 The issue that you mentioned, look, in 2018, the Bureau of Prisons, this was under President Trump, came up with a policy.

01:38:08.200 And that policy was that anything that a prisoner needed that was deemed medically necessary was required.

01:38:15.600 That was under Trump's Bureau of Prisons.

01:38:17.400 I'm not saying Donald Trump did that.

01:38:18.480 That was the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

01:38:19.580 And a court required that in two cases out of 1,400 prisoners, that that required a, uh, a sex change.

01:38:27.620 But that had nothing to do with Kamala Harris or Donald Trump.

01:38:31.680 These were policies of the Bureau of Prisons under what the, in a court interpreting under the Eighth Amendment, what medical necessary care is, is required for, for prisoners.

01:38:41.140 And it was two cases out of 1,400 prisoners.

01:38:43.900 And I guess my point, Megan, is we can debate whether that Bureau of Prisons policy should be changed or not.

01:38:49.880 But I don't think that our national elections should be fought over this.

01:38:53.360 What I want our elections to be fought over is who's going to bring good jobs?

01:38:56.820 Who's going to make sure the working and middle class have a shot at the American dream?

01:39:00.860 Who's going to make sure America is going to lead over China and China doesn't take over Taiwan?

01:39:04.820 How are we going to make sure we're the greatest country in the world?

01:39:06.540 That's what we should be fighting over in this election.

01:39:10.560 I understand that those are important priorities, but this one matters, too, because I think that while what's happening to female prisoners does matter, I mean, what's happening in prisons in general is deeply wrong.

01:39:21.380 Women should not be forced to share cell with convicted sex offenders who suddenly declare they're female, which is happening, especially in your state, California, thanks to your governor.

01:39:29.840 That's wrong. And taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for this.

01:39:34.120 I mean, we just had a California prosecutor on. He worked 27 years as a D.A. out not far from you and was telling us about this one guy.

01:39:42.280 He's one of the two cases you mentioned. He's one of the most evil, serial murderers and criminals that this prosecutor had ever come across.

01:39:49.820 He's the guy who tied a loving couple to their anchor of their own boat and threw them overboard because he wanted to rob them of their money and steal their boat.

01:39:59.000 And this guy who he said is a pathological guy who he has.

01:40:03.260 This guy has nothing against trans people. He does not believe this guy's even trans, that this is a manipulation.

01:40:09.320 He enjoys manipulating people, the system, stealing, et cetera. I don't want to pay for his sex change operation.

01:40:15.120 And I think California voters don't want to pay for his sex change operation, but they had to.

01:40:19.860 Yeah, but that's been policy since 2018, since Donald Trump.

01:40:22.940 I mean, I guess before that, are you denying that that Barack Obama is the one who changed the prison policy to provide for these surgeries?

01:40:30.200 Because that was even in The New York Times report. And I'm sure you like The New York Times.

01:40:34.120 I my understanding is that it was a 2018 bureau prison that talked about what was medically necessary.

01:40:38.800 Trump amended it. You're wrong, Raul. Trump amended it. Go back and read The New York Times.

01:40:42.840 It was a Barack Obama policy to pay for all this. Trump amended it to add the word.

01:40:48.040 It was a limiting word. Only those that are medically necessary and fought.

01:40:53.080 That's fair enough. I mean, I mean, I'm not I you know, you know, probably more of the details.

01:40:59.220 But the point is, it was it was the Trump standard under which these these two people were there.

01:41:04.580 If we want to have a conversation about how we change that standard further, let's have a conversation.

01:41:09.200 I don't understand how they're attacking Kamala Harris, who was neither president during any of those times.

01:41:14.400 I'm not saying it's not an effective to change the policy. She pushed to change this policy in California.

01:41:19.440 She's on the record speaking to a trans activist in 2018 saying in my state, this wasn't allowed.

01:41:25.140 I'm the reason the policy changed. I push for change to get these policies covered.

01:41:30.460 You're welcome. She's she bragged about it. She's proud of it, Raul.

01:41:32.860 My sense is that these have been policies that even even the Trump had that what is what I would say is, why don't we let the courts figure this out?

01:41:41.980 It's a conservative Supreme Court, by the way. So let's figure out what is medically necessary, how the courts determine that, how they determine it under the Eighth Amendment and what what the courts have.

01:41:51.860 I mean, I don't understand why this has to become politicized. And I understand these are very sensitive issues.

01:41:59.360 They're emotional issues. They're people of deep conviction of both sides.

01:42:03.620 I just wish we could talk more about the things that J.D. and I were talking about, which is hollowing out this country, deindustrializing this country, what we're going to do to rebuild American industry.

01:42:13.920 And and that's ultimately on the economy. We didn't get into immigration, but what sensible immigration looks like in the secure border.

01:42:22.240 Those are the policies I think the Democratic Party should be closing on and that this election should be closing on.

01:42:28.260 Fair enough. I'm glad you and I have had this discussion because I can't go forward with anybody without having this discussion.

01:42:34.780 Somebody who's as opposed to me on this stuff as you are.

01:42:37.840 And I hope you come back and we'll take on those other issues, especially immigration the next time you do.

01:42:42.640 Well, I appreciate you having it in a thoughtful, civil way. And I look forward to being back.

01:42:48.900 All the best to you, Representative Ro Khanna of California.

01:42:53.460 So interesting, right? Like it's it's hard to it's hard to discuss those things because they are emotional.

01:43:01.020 Right. I get upset over them. I'm sure a lot of my audience gets upset over them.

01:43:04.320 And most people aren't paying them much mind.

01:43:07.120 You know, you heard Kamala Harris refer to it as a remote issue the other day.

01:43:10.300 I don't I don't think it's remote. I think it's spreading and us treating it like it was a small thing that would go away is what led to fester and spread and hurt a lot of people, children and not just children.

01:43:22.880 I mean, adult women count to even adult women in prison and so on.

01:43:26.480 Anyway, let me know your thoughts. You can email me Megan, M-E-G-Y-N at Megan Kelly dot com.

01:43:32.980 Tomorrow we are back with James Woods, who I'll be seeing in person in California off to do Bill Maher show tomorrow night.

01:43:41.200 Hope you tune in for that. We'll have a full rundown of how that went when I see you again on Monday.

01:43:46.120 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 24, 2024

Megyn Kelly on Kamala's CNN Town Hall Disaster, and Key Issue of Trans Ideology, with Rep. Ro Khanna ｜ Ep. 925

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