The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn Kelly on the Truth About the Charlie Kirk Assassination, Plus Dave Smith on Epstein, Israel, and Distrusting the Elites ｜ Ep. 1212

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00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.180 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:01:16.700 We begin today on the court appearance by Tyler Robinson, the man accused extremely credibly of murdering our friend Charlie Kirk in September.

00:01:27.980 He made his first in-person court appearance yesterday out in Utah.

00:01:32.440 He had appeared virtually in two previous hearings and he was allowed to wear civilian gear, not a prison jumpsuit, in order to protect his presumption of innocence, given that while there are obviously no jurors yet, this trial doesn't take place until tentatively January of 2027.

00:01:50.200 He would be on camera with the media there and they don't want to taint the jury pool.

00:01:54.580 So, great.

00:01:55.600 He gets to stand there like some sort of upstanding citizen in his blue button-down shirt and tie. 0.98

00:02:07.220 He was all smiles, which is fucking disgusting because I guess he's feeling joyful. 0.99

00:02:16.320 He's maybe feeling like he's going to get away with it. 0.99

00:02:19.120 I don't know what he's thinking.

00:02:20.600 I do care, but I don't care about his well-being.

00:02:24.320 His parents sat in the front row.

00:02:26.140 The mother was crying.

00:02:27.860 I mean, I'm sorry that she's sad and I'm sorry she raised a killer, but that's what she did.

00:02:33.560 Again, I have some empathy for the parents, but not for him, not for him whatsoever.

00:02:37.380 And the parents, for the record, did the right thing.

00:02:39.240 When they recognized their son from the pictures that were released of the crime scene by the FBI within the hours after Charlie was murdered, and they recognized the picture of the gun that the FBI released, and they contacted him.

00:02:55.760 They were the ones who identified their own son as having been the person in the photos and that having been the gun that his grandfather gave to him.

00:03:06.680 They contacted their son asking where he was.

00:03:09.980 They eventually figured out that it was him.

00:03:12.860 He reportedly confessed to his parents, who then brought in a family friend who was both a pastor and connected with law enforcement to convince Tyler Robinson to turn himself in, which is what happened.

00:03:25.580 That's how this went down.

00:03:28.180 That's why, among other reasons, he was arrested.

00:03:30.740 His fingerprints were all over the gun, were reportedly over, I can't remember if it was the ammo, in addition to the doors leading to the rooftop, etc.

00:03:41.080 And in addition to confessing to his parents, he confessed to his trans furry lover in text messages that I grant you sound odd.

00:03:49.700 They sound a little prescripted, but that does not lead sane people to believe this was the FBI creating a false dialogue, but possibly these two freaks, Tyler Robinson and his trans furry boyfriend, creating a false dialogue.

00:04:05.400 To, in my view, at best, try to exonerate Lance Twiggs, the trans furry boyfriend, from knowing about this thing in advance, which I believe he did. 0.97

00:04:15.100 I believe he knew in advance, and I believe his weird trans furry community knew in advance. 1.00

00:04:19.400 And some couldn't keep their fucking mouth shut and started spewing off online about, wait until September 10th. 0.99

00:04:25.860 Wait until you see what happens September 10th. 0.99

00:04:27.700 And then when Charlie was murdered, went back online to say, see, I told you.

00:04:31.120 So I'd love to know where things stand with that piece of the investigation, but because I am a sane person who understands the law, I also know that the FBI, hello, does not run around updating its investigation and releasing the very latest on what they found.

00:04:49.760 And people who are demanding that the FBI or DOJ do so do not know anything about law enforcement, some of us have been covering in depth legal cases and matters and have even tried cases and matters for years.

00:05:06.420 That is how I have spent the past 30 years of my life, plus trying cases involved in the legal system as a trial attorney, then a Supreme Court correspondent covering cases, civil and criminal, then as a legal correspondent for Fox News, legal commentator for Fox News, and ever thereafter.

00:05:26.560 And let me tell you something. The FBI does not run around updating its information after somebody gets indicted. It doesn't. It would be extraordinary if it were to do so.

00:05:38.900 And the DOJ is extremely tight lipped normally on its criminal cases. When it's not, it's behaving inappropriately.

00:05:46.700 When it's not, you have rogue prosecutors who wasn't with the DOJ, Tess James, but like her, the attorney general of New York, running around trying to update her case against Donald Trump, or Fannie Willis shooting her mouth off about Donald Trump.

00:06:02.540 What did we do when those prosecutors did that? We ripped them a new one because it's inappropriate. 0.82

00:06:08.360 Stop requesting or requiring the FBI or the DOJ to update its evidence for you. You're not the target audience.

00:06:19.900 They're trying to preserve the integrity of this case for when they get it in front of a jury who are the only people who matter.

00:06:28.040 I'm sorry, but their opinion is the only opinion that's going to matter in this case.

00:06:32.240 And they will come to that opinion based on evidence that gets submitted to them that passes the rules of evidence, which are there to maintain the integrity of a case and investigation and of the defendant's constitutional rights.

00:06:45.160 That's how our system works.

00:06:49.300 That's how our system works.

00:06:52.060 Stop demanding that the FBI update you.

00:06:55.720 That's not how it works.

00:06:57.800 And it would be inappropriate for them to come out and shoot off their mouths about the latest and greatest they have, unless and until they are ready to arrest somebody else.

00:07:06.580 And when they are, if they are on trans Tifa, we're all ears. 0.97

00:07:11.300 Then they will provide some basic modicum of evidence to support the arresting affidavit, the arrest indictment.

00:07:18.540 That's how this works.

00:07:19.600 By the way, criminal prosecutors have an ethical obligation not to spout off about their evidence in the case.

00:07:28.980 We actually pulled this this morning, just in case you were wondering.

00:07:34.540 Rule 3.8 of the ABA model rules restricts prosecutors from making extrajudicial statements that heighten public condemnation.

00:07:44.180 Remember when Fannie Willis did that about Donald Trump and his defense lawyers, too, like spouting off about how race was at issue in this case?

00:07:55.340 It was completely inappropriate.

00:07:57.720 And we argued that correctly at the time.

00:08:00.740 So I don't know how we spun from that into we're allowed to spew conspiracy theories about the case because the FBI is not saying anything.

00:08:10.620 That's just bass-ackwards.

00:08:12.420 It's not true, okay?

00:08:14.720 It's not.

00:08:15.800 The rules are the same in all the cases, including this one.

00:08:18.880 Now, here's what happened in court.

00:08:20.820 Tyler Robinson went in there, charged with aggravated murder, and felony use of a firearm, as well as other charges.

00:08:26.920 And what they argued about yesterday was media rights in this case.

00:08:31.020 And by the way, media rights in this case are extremely important, okay?

00:08:34.620 Because neither the prosecution nor the defense are fighting for us to be in there.

00:08:39.460 Neither probably wants us.

00:08:40.880 The prosecutor has acknowledged we may have a limited right.

00:08:45.340 That's not it.

00:08:46.560 Sorry, prosecutor.

00:08:47.580 We have a full right.

00:08:48.860 We're the eyes and ears of the people.

00:08:51.020 You're not a judge, graph.

00:08:52.660 You're not going to keep the press out of this courtroom.

00:08:55.660 Maybe you're going to succeed in keeping cameras out.

00:08:57.900 You shouldn't because they're allowed in Utah.

00:08:59.780 But you shouldn't.

00:09:02.680 But you're not going to keep the press out of this courtroom.

00:09:05.100 I'm sorry to break it to you.

00:09:06.580 We have every right to be in there.

00:09:08.560 This is a public proceeding.

00:09:10.320 And we will be in there.

00:09:12.440 And we will be documenting every word of this trial, no matter how badly the defense attorneys,

00:09:18.100 who are really the ones pushing for it, want us out.

00:09:21.440 We represent the people.

00:09:24.560 And the people have every right to be in there to watch what happens in this case.

00:09:30.620 So what's happening right now in that courtroom is a legal fight over whether the press is even going to be given notice of the hearings that concern the press's right to be present at the hearings on the trial of this case.

00:09:46.120 They're not even sure we get to be there when they argue over our access rights.

00:09:51.880 That's effed up, too.

00:09:52.980 So we'll see what this Judge Graff rules, but right now he's keeping a very tight lid on even those arguments.

00:10:02.860 And it's somewhat infuriating, as you can hear in my voice.

00:10:08.420 There are issues of public access to this case that need to be protected.

00:10:14.000 And if this judge rules that somehow the press must be excluded from anything other than sealed proceedings and things that must be kept under seal,

00:10:22.720 he's going to be reversed.

00:10:25.120 There was an issue yesterday stemming from an October 24th hearing,

00:10:29.080 which was closed to the public about courtroom security, media coverage, and Robinson's ability to wear civilian clothing.

00:10:36.300 Media organizations yesterday wanted a transcript of that hearing.

00:10:39.660 But attorneys for Robinson and for the state of Utah have proposed certain redactions to the transcript.

00:10:45.660 An attorney for the Media Coalition, which is good.

00:10:48.020 We have our own media attorney, Michael Judd, urged the judge to let the news organizations weigh in on any future requests that would limit our access.

00:10:57.200 And that's what they were fighting about.

00:10:59.160 The defense also asked Judge Graff to ban cameras from the courtroom completely,

00:11:03.500 citing a content tornado that could permanently devastate the jury pool.

00:11:07.400 We have had jury pools overwhelmed with information about cases for years, ever since the dawn of court TV and of O.J. Simpson and so on.

00:11:19.280 And we've managed it sometimes well, sometimes poorly, but we've managed it.

00:11:23.080 There are ways of managing cameras in the courtroom.

00:11:25.860 They were about to do this with Brian Kohlberger, who at that point was much more infamous than Tyler Robinson.

00:11:32.740 And it was going to be managed with cameras in the courtroom, and it can be managed here as well.

00:11:39.460 There are, let's see, there was an issue yesterday because the media inadvertently showed Tyler Robinson's shackles.

00:11:49.580 And there's a question about whether that's going to taint the jury pool.

00:11:52.520 It's not.

00:11:53.520 It's not.

00:11:54.420 The media apologized for doing it.

00:11:56.560 It was inadvertent, but the jurors, the potential jurors, understand that the defendant is perceived as a potentially dangerous human

00:12:08.860 because he's on trial for assassinating someone.

00:12:12.080 Let's not pretend the glimpse at his shackles changed anybody's mind whatsoever about Tyler Robinson.

00:12:19.700 For what it's worth, Erica Kirk has made clear she wants cameras in this courtroom. 1.00

00:12:26.140 She points out cameras captured her husband's murder, and everyone has seen that video.

00:12:32.600 And why, why would we not allow it here?

00:12:36.260 There is a disturbing news item today out of KUTV, which is the local CBS station in Salt Lake City,

00:12:43.220 that we are possibly missing, possibly, the surveillance video of Tyler Robinson turning himself in.

00:12:49.700 Um, the media tried to get that video with a FOIA request.

00:12:55.660 Again, this is public information.

00:12:57.460 And apparently they were told that it may not be available.

00:13:01.160 Like the, the standard response from the, um, sheriff's office was we do not have any records

00:13:06.380 responsive to this portion of the request, uh, as Tyler Robinson did not go to or enter the jail area.

00:13:13.920 They had asked for a jail area or holding area video of Robinson when he turned himself in.

00:13:18.760 And that's what a records office with the sheriff's office told the media subpoenaing it or FOIAing

00:13:24.800 it, I should say.

00:13:25.840 A few weeks later, two news re-upped the request in a more generalized fashion, asking for surveillance

00:13:31.280 video showing Tyler Robinson walking into Washington County Sheriff's office, just walking in.

00:13:36.360 And the response came, our office does not have any applicable records responsive to this

00:13:40.880 as surveillance footage, as the surveillance footage is no longer available after the 30

00:13:47.040 day retention period.

00:13:48.300 That suggests it's been deleted.

00:13:50.520 When asked if the video was shared with any law enforcement or legal agency, the department

00:13:55.220 responded, it is my understanding that it was never sent out to any agency.

00:13:59.940 And that certainly makes it sound like they deleted this file.

00:14:04.800 If it ever existed, a defense attorney, criminal defense attorney generic that two news asked

00:14:11.480 about this out in Utah, a guy by the name of, um, Rudy Bautista, uh, defense attorney of

00:14:19.280 26 years in Utah who works on capital cases said for the stake of, for the state of Utah, we

00:14:24.860 would certainly hope this video is available.

00:14:27.220 If in fact, it's been destroyed and is not preserved, it's very concerning.

00:14:31.280 And if it has, then it's very concerning that they're telling you they don't have it.

00:14:35.440 If they no longer have it, I would expect, I would have expected them to say that the

00:14:39.420 video has been provided to the Utah County law enforcement, but instead the letter leads

00:14:42.880 in my opinion, uh, as reads, I think he means as trying to shut the door and not give you

00:14:49.200 free access, uh, to this information.

00:14:51.720 Video of Robinson turning himself in, he adds, would be crucial for the defense work of mitigation.

00:14:59.760 So we'll see whether that actually winds up surfacing, but I agree it's disturbing if

00:15:05.160 it's been deleted.

00:15:06.820 Um, another thing I wanted to tell you about, uh, the Daily Mail, take it with a grain of salt,

00:15:16.900 but they are reporting that they had a new, a lip reader go in and try to lip read Tyler

00:15:26.780 Robinson's statements in court.

00:15:29.240 This is pseudoscience, not actual science.

00:15:32.080 Uh, we don't know whether these are actually what he was saying, but he was talking a lot

00:15:36.880 to his defense lawyers and they report that he allegedly told his attorney, Catherine Nestor,

00:15:42.520 quote, I think about the shooting daily every morning, all the time, uh, that he then said,

00:15:49.400 so he had a wife in reference to Kirk's widow, Erica, um, that he then said, just smoking a

00:16:01.660 lot, talking about himself, not sleeping at night.

00:16:04.660 It's driving me mental.

00:16:06.940 Unfortunately, it's doing my head in.

00:16:09.540 I'm not good for anything.

00:16:11.120 He then allegedly said something about his mother, Amber, quote, my mother goes away to

00:16:15.980 see friends, to be away from the media, which I think makes sense.

00:16:20.060 He then allegedly said, what I would like to do is make it as easy as possible by answering

00:16:25.740 all of their questions.

00:16:27.100 So there is no comeback.

00:16:29.320 That doesn't really make sense.

00:16:30.520 So I'm not sure this is correct, but that for what it's worth is what this lip reader,

00:16:35.080 um, someone named Nicola Hickling, who works, who runs, quote, lip reader service that does

00:16:43.840 this.

00:16:45.180 Um, I think that's the gist of it.

00:16:48.580 Those are the highlights of what he actually said.

00:16:51.420 As I pointed out, he was in the courtroom smiling.

00:16:54.000 I certainly hope he doesn't have reason to smile.

00:16:58.580 I certainly hope he's not banking on people being confused about the overwhelming mountain

00:17:06.200 of evidence against him.

00:17:08.860 Because let me tell you, those of us who are clear eyed on what is and is not admissible

00:17:13.280 as proof, and that's really all we should be concerned with, see all evidence pointing

00:17:18.420 directly to Tyler Robinson.

00:17:20.780 All of it pointing directly to Tyler Robinson.

00:17:24.200 My only question is who may have helped him and who may have known about it prior to his

00:17:29.700 arrest.

00:17:30.220 And I really hope that the prosecution has no problem making that case.

00:17:36.160 Inside the courtroom, multiple law enforcement officers stood along the walls.

00:17:40.500 More than are usually seen in a courtroom.

00:17:42.300 Four of them wore camouflage, camouflage fatigues and SWAT gear, reports KUER, uh, local

00:17:50.240 station, um, talked about the fight to ban the cameras and so on, the fight over the shackles.

00:17:58.560 And the only issue that Judge Graff ruled on from the bench was clarifying his previous

00:18:05.720 gag order, which restricts people involved in the case from making public statements outside

00:18:11.880 the courtroom.

00:18:12.860 They write, while roughly 3,000 people witnessed the killing of Charlie Kirk, Judge Graff said

00:18:18.020 the only lay people under that gag are witnesses whom the prosecution or defense believes they

00:18:26.220 will call to testify.

00:18:27.860 And so that should excuse most of the people who witnessed Charlie's assassination, though

00:18:36.300 not all.

00:18:37.580 And only they know, only the ones who have been contacted by law enforcement as potential

00:18:42.220 witnesses in the case.

00:18:43.800 You know, if I had been interviewed by law enforcement at this point, whether they said

00:18:46.700 you're going to be a witness or not, if I had been interviewed by them, I would understand

00:18:50.400 myself as under the gag order.

00:18:51.760 And that's to preserve the integrity of the trial.

00:18:54.960 It really doesn't do the prosecution any good to have their witnesses out there talking.

00:19:01.620 I mean, we've seen this.

00:19:02.340 I'm not accusing anybody of having done this, but we've seen this in earlier cases, including

00:19:05.740 OJ, where a critical witness who was going to be able to testify to seeing OJ drive away

00:19:12.080 from Bundy, where Nicole Brown Simpson was murdered.

00:19:15.000 She testified, she was ready to testify to seeing him drive away from the scene of the

00:19:19.580 crime, had sold her story to the media between the crime and the date of trial.

00:19:25.900 And she was rendered utterly useless to the prosecutor.

00:19:30.360 She just looked like she's in it for money. 1.00

00:19:33.700 And so the gag order for people who may actually be witnesses at trial does make some sense if

00:19:38.160 you want to protect both the prosecution's right to a fair trial, although the right to a

00:19:42.920 fair trial speaks chiefly to the defense and to the defendant's right to a fair trial.

00:19:47.060 So if you've been interviewed by law enforcement or have reason to believe you're going to be

00:19:51.720 called to trial, you really shouldn't be speaking to the media, which would encompass some public

00:19:57.920 names who are now in the national debate, who are also under pressure to speak out, but

00:20:03.940 know something in some cases that the rest of us don't know and are not free to fully talk

00:20:09.820 about the events of that day.

00:20:11.360 Please keep that in mind as you assess what's happening in this case.

00:20:18.240 Look, Tyler Robinson did this.

00:20:21.020 It seems very clear to me.

00:20:22.300 My only hope is that I can be there in the room when they flip the switch and take his life. 1.00

00:20:28.660 I want him dead. 1.00

00:20:30.560 I want the death penalty handed down against him and anyone who helped him. 1.00

00:20:34.540 And I will be gleeful on the day it is carried out.

00:20:39.420 I honestly don't, I don't know how that squares with my Catholic faith, to be honest.

00:20:46.860 We're not real pro the state killing people or humans taking other humans' lives, whether

00:20:52.640 it's in the womb or in the course of a crime.

00:20:55.640 But we're, we are pro justice and the Bible does say an eye for an eye and there is no

00:21:02.900 deterrence.

00:21:03.680 I'm sorry.

00:21:04.420 The deterrence I do believe requires the death penalty in the most heinous of cases.

00:21:08.740 And I do believe it should be reserved for the most heinous of cases.

00:21:12.200 And this is that, this is that Charlie was shot down in the prime of his life.

00:21:16.760 He had so much, so much yet to offer.

00:21:18.700 He was a loving father of two.

00:21:21.160 He and Erica adored one another, lived for one another.

00:21:25.760 They had so much yet to do.

00:21:27.060 She wanted four children.

00:21:28.200 So did he.

00:21:28.820 He desperately wanted four kids.

00:21:30.620 They have two and will never have another.

00:21:33.880 Everything he's been cheated out of, everything those children were cheated out of, every happiness

00:21:38.440 Erica has been cheated out of, everything the world, the country, a future president that 1.00

00:21:43.200 we all believe that we've been cheated out of. 1.00

00:21:45.640 He deserves to be put to death when he's convicted of this crime, which in my strong legal opinion, 0.99

00:21:51.720 he should be. 1.00

00:21:53.440 So that's where I am today, being reminded of the depravity of this so-called man, evil, 0.98

00:22:01.620 an evil, evil being. 0.72

00:22:04.300 I don't want to use the word person.

00:22:06.000 I don't understand this person.

00:22:08.480 I don't understand the guy who shot up the Ascension school in Minneapolis, who was drawing 0.98

00:22:15.700 pictures of demons and looked to me to have been possessed by one.

00:22:20.920 I don't understand them.

00:22:22.460 I just want them gone.

00:22:24.300 I don't think the earth suffers when they're eliminated.

00:22:27.460 I want it done legally.

00:22:28.680 Don't get me wrong.

00:22:29.480 I don't, I certainly don't want to see him assassinated in prison.

00:22:32.860 I'm fine if that happens to Brian Kohlberger for what it's worth.

00:22:35.280 I don't know.

00:22:35.740 This is my moral code. 0.99

00:22:36.840 Is it fucked up? 0.99

00:22:37.600 How do you feel about it? 0.99

00:22:39.480 Do you share it?

00:22:40.180 Like, I'll pray for forgiveness if forgiveness is in order, but that's where I am today,

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00:24:47.240 Let's keep going because I do have a guest here with me today and I want to talk to him.

00:24:56.300 He hasn't been on in a while.

00:24:58.160 And I'm happy to welcome back stand-up comedian and commentator Dave Smith.

00:25:02.560 He's host of the show, Part of the Problem.

00:25:04.820 Dave, welcome back.

00:25:05.980 Good to see you.

00:25:07.580 Hey, Megan.

00:25:08.060 Thanks so much for having me.

00:25:09.040 Oh, these legal cases are just, they're awful, you know?

00:25:13.960 And you're reminded of what happened to Charlie on the day, September 10th,

00:25:18.100 and of just how traumatic it was.

00:25:20.960 I don't think we've stopped reeling.

00:25:22.880 I think for the past three months, the country writ large has still been reeling,

00:25:27.760 and conservatives have been reeling.

00:25:29.960 And I think many of us who are right-wing or associated with the right-wing or just heterodox

00:25:35.680 in our thinking, like I know you are, have not gotten over the additional threat to our

00:25:43.020 safety and security as a result of all this.

00:25:45.480 Where are you on it?

00:25:47.340 Yeah.

00:25:47.880 I mean, even as I'm sitting here listening to your opening, which I think was spot on and

00:25:51.440 very good, it's all so surreal to me.

00:25:54.900 Like, I just still can't believe where I, I have this thing, which I've had before when I've lost

00:25:59.040 friends and family members, where I still find myself on some level going like, man,

00:26:03.860 I can't wait to hear Charlie's take on all of this.

00:26:07.060 Same.

00:26:07.640 Which I don't know, is like my own weird way of grappling with the inevitability or the

00:26:11.840 permanence of death or something like that.

00:26:14.060 But, you know, I, so I totally agree with everything you said there.

00:26:17.400 You know, I would just, I would add that, look, the presumption of innocence isn't just

00:26:24.380 a principle.

00:26:26.220 It is the foundational principle of Western civilization.

00:26:30.560 It's the, without it, there is no liberty.

00:26:33.040 Like you, you could write the most perfect constitution ever, but if the government can

00:26:36.500 accuse you of something and you're presumed guilty, you have no, you don't have one inch

00:26:40.120 of liberty.

00:26:41.380 And so of course, you know, and then of course it should also be added that we're all friends.

00:26:45.700 We were all friends with Charlie.

00:26:46.940 And so we, we would have to recuse ourselves, right?

00:26:50.040 Like, you know, you're more of a legal expert than me, but we would not.

00:26:53.120 So, so like there's this tremendous emotion that is impossible to completely remove from

00:26:57.280 us.

00:26:57.800 And then of course, now this is not a legal argument, but the crime of, of murdering

00:27:05.320 Charlie Kirk is so much more than just the crime of, of murder.

00:27:08.920 It's the highest profile political assassination of my lifetime.

00:27:12.600 It is, it's like a crime against the country.

00:27:15.240 It's a crime against our cohesion, a crime against domestic tranquility.

00:27:19.320 And so, and I also think, I don't know if there's a legal way that that can be accounted

00:27:25.120 for, but that's part of the reason why you absolutely, you need to have cameras.

00:27:28.560 You need this to be the most transparent trial because it's really is almost in some way,

00:27:33.640 like a matter of national security.

00:27:35.380 And then, you know, I think your point is really well taken that look, people jump to conclusions

00:27:41.920 off of little things that seem odd to them.

00:27:44.520 But like, even like you said, like the text messages, yes, that seemed odd to me too, but

00:27:48.140 it all, it always, to me seemed like the obvious answer was what you said.

00:27:51.260 It was like, uh, out of breaking bad, there's that scene where Walter White calls his wife

00:27:55.700 in front of the cops and intentionally trying to get her off of the hook.

00:27:59.780 Right.

00:28:00.080 And so there's just people connect dots sometimes when they shouldn't be connected.

00:28:04.460 And of course the, the, we're going to have to wait till this trial before we get his

00:28:10.020 defense and the prosecution's case, I would say though, that like the other factor here

00:28:15.780 is just that, you know, this justice department lost all credibility, uh, over the Epstein

00:28:22.820 thing.

00:28:23.820 I know there's just, you know, there's just like no way to undo that.

00:28:27.080 I'm sorry.

00:28:27.700 This is like, it's like, it's like catching your spouse cheating on you.

00:28:31.800 Uh, that's it.

00:28:33.040 Like you lost trust has not been rebuilt.

00:28:35.520 I mean, what the, the, the, I've never seen, uh, an issue mishandled more by any administration

00:28:42.640 ever.

00:28:42.900 I don't, I don't think Joe Biden's senality was handled worse than, than this.

00:28:47.200 I mean, between Pam Bondi having that, that stunt where she gave all these right wing influencers, 1.00

00:28:53.380 the Epstein files saying they're sitting on her desk, turning around, then them trying

00:28:58.000 to tell you it was a democratic hoax and it never existed.

00:29:00.520 Then Mike Johnson saying it's a threat to our entire political order.

00:29:03.960 If we release the files, then Trump turning around and releasing the files that he just

00:29:09.000 said didn't exist.

00:29:09.880 And we're a democratic hoax.

00:29:10.960 And, and so after that, we're in the, and this, this, I think really is something like

00:29:15.820 central to the state of where the United States of America is today.

00:29:19.400 There is no more trust in institutions and there are bad aspects to that, but also that

00:29:25.620 distrust was earned by the institutions themselves.

00:29:29.260 It's a very important point.

00:29:30.860 I mean, just today and this week in the news, two of the biggest headlines are 10 children

00:29:38.520 died immediately after getting the COVID vaccine, which we were told was safe for children and

00:29:44.280 many schools made mandatory after the FDA blessed it and pushed it.

00:29:47.820 And now today there's additional news about the extent of myocarditis that this thing is

00:29:53.220 causing in adults and causing adults to drop dead, um, also now disclosed by an honest FDA under

00:29:59.880 Martin McCary and Vinay Prasad, who was an early critic of not even critic, but just an honest

00:30:04.740 broker about what was happening with the vax. 0.99

00:30:06.560 All of this was fucking suppressed. 0.99

00:30:08.300 People are dying as a result. 0.99

00:30:10.320 So you're totally right.

00:30:11.940 That the distrust in government agencies, yes, goes well into public health and the DOJ and FBI

00:30:20.440 even now, because to your point, what was the first big action that we saw this DOJ do?

00:30:26.720 It was the Epstein thing.

00:30:27.740 It was Pam Bondi needing to see herself on TV running around saying the files on my desk. 0.97

00:30:33.820 He was disgusting.

00:30:35.180 Wait until you see all the videos. 0.94

00:30:36.980 You know, we're not going to read the actual videos, but let me trust me.

00:30:39.240 There've been tens of thousands of him with like child pornography and then, oh, there's

00:30:44.000 nothing.

00:30:44.680 And then no explanation.

00:30:46.140 No, no, like mea culpa, no presser.

00:30:49.180 Dave, we're like, she fell on her sword and said, I misspoke. 1.00

00:30:53.240 That was stupid. 0.99

00:30:54.480 Let me tell you everything we actually do have. 1.00

00:30:56.400 It never happened.

00:30:57.340 We were told to move on and it's, it's been very tough.

00:31:00.240 One silver lining.

00:31:01.780 It's not, it's not the DOJ that's handling the Tyler Robinson criminal case.

00:31:06.020 It's the Utah state authorities about whom we know very little.

00:31:10.640 I have no reason to trust or distrust them.

00:31:13.180 They haven't crossed me or the public in any way that comes to mind.

00:31:17.020 So I'm open-minded on how they'll do.

00:31:19.980 Yeah, fair enough.

00:31:21.000 I was, I was more just getting at, you know, like cash Patel coming out and saying that we,

00:31:25.120 you know, uh, we, we recreated the letter that we found from him is just, I think like I'm in

00:31:30.460 the camp with the American people where it's just like, I don't trust a word you say.

00:31:33.920 Hey, that's where I'm at with this justice department.

00:31:35.880 So I fair, fair point there.

00:31:37.480 But I think that like, look, even with say like to your point with the Epstein thing,

00:31:42.980 I know, um, I was there, we didn't see each other.

00:31:45.380 I think I was there the day after you, but at the, the, um, student action summit at Charlie

00:31:49.900 Kirk's last huge event for the one where he was killed, where you said like, someone was

00:31:54.000 like, Hey, if you had to guess, who would you say?

00:31:55.940 And you went, well, Israel intelligence does seem to be the most, so, okay. 0.85

00:31:59.500 Everyone wants to jump on you for, for speculating about that, even though you were acknowledging

00:32:03.700 that you're speculating, we don't know for sure.

00:32:06.520 Um, yeah.

00:32:07.240 So, okay, fine.

00:32:08.240 So what was the relationship between Ehud Barak and, and Jeffrey Epstein then?

00:32:13.240 What's your explanation for it?

00:32:15.240 Alternative people who are outraged.

00:32:17.460 What, well, why is it that I just, I just learned.

00:32:20.460 Sorry, go ahead.

00:32:21.120 I was just gonna say, maybe we should ask Benjamin Netanyahu, who, who is now tweeting

00:32:25.180 out articles saying Ehud Barak was, and Jeffrey Epstein were sharing intelligence that there

00:32:31.920 was an intelligence sharing arrangement between them.

00:32:33.860 So it's like, that's according to Netanyahu, but I was called an anti-Semite as I know you

00:32:38.240 have been countless times for saying, might've been Israel, might, might, could have been

00:32:42.420 Israel.

00:32:42.820 And honestly, like what happened with you at that, at that student action summit, you debated

00:32:47.920 Josh Hammer, you were there having a debate with a, with a Zionist, with a big Israel defender.

00:32:53.760 Like that's, that's what was happening.

00:32:55.460 But of course, yes, that was evidence that you're not allowed to discuss.

00:32:57.920 You can't, can't have a debate.

00:32:59.600 You can only have the one side and you can't ever say that Epstein might've been Israeli

00:33:03.180 intelligence, might've been American intelligence.

00:33:04.760 It's an asset of some sort because that's also anti-Semitic allegedly.

00:33:08.740 And again, it's back to the same point.

00:33:11.320 Like how many times have I caught you guys lying?

00:33:15.260 Benjamin Netanyahu has been lying to me for my entire life, telling me that Iran is five

00:33:20.760 years away from a nuclear weapon, trying to get my country into a war with Iran, which 0.88

00:33:24.560 he kind of succeeded in, in, in this last year, at least a little one.

00:33:27.940 It's like, I don't know you, you guaranteed when you testified before Congress in 2002,

00:33:34.020 your exact words were, I guarantee if you overthrow Saddam Hussein, positive reverberations 0.56

00:33:40.180 will sweep the region.

00:33:41.040 Like you lie slash get everything wrong and then expect me to rely on your word.

00:33:47.500 And, you know, for, for whatever, like, I know there's the, the spat between, um, Erica

00:33:52.620 Kirk and Candace Owens right now.

00:33:54.500 And however anyone feels about any of that, um, you know, like I was friends with Charlie,

00:33:59.440 this is his widow.

00:34:00.280 I'm friends with Candace Owens.

00:34:01.800 It's kind of an awkward situation to be in.

00:34:03.960 But one thing that you cannot take away from Candace Owens is that what she did expose is

00:34:09.760 that Josh Hammer and Bill Ackman and Benjamin Netanyahu lied through their teeth about Charlie

00:34:16.760 Kirk in the immediate wake of his murder during an active murder investigation, which like,

00:34:22.680 okay, you want to take any responsibility for, for why people might not believe, you know what

00:34:28.320 I mean?

00:34:28.520 Like what, like, what is that going to lead to?

00:34:30.300 I mean, Josh Hammer, I mean, I just thought this was like.

00:34:33.280 Are you talking about the, uh, like the, uh, the, uh, uh, attempted intervention that

00:34:37.040 they did with Charlie prior to exactly what exactly happened in, in the Hamptons or what

00:34:42.860 exactly the intervention was like, I don't know that that's exactly been proven, but I

00:34:47.520 do know, look, I, I met Josh Hammer.

00:34:49.120 I debated him twice.

00:34:50.040 I debated him at Princeton university once and then, uh, there, and I, I did think he was

00:34:55.160 a real snake when I, we, we had like a totally nice conversation backstage.

00:34:59.360 Charlie had insisted over and over that this be like a good faith debate.

00:35:02.860 Me and Josh talked for like a half hour backstage about like family and kids and all this stuff.

00:35:08.700 And then he gets out there in his opening statement and he goes, I'm disgusted to be

00:35:12.940 on this stage with Dave Smith right now.

00:35:14.900 And I was like, I was like, Whoa, I'm not surprised.

00:35:17.900 Can I tell you, I had Josh Hammer on this show repeatedly many times.

00:35:22.120 And you know, I'm pro Israel.

00:35:23.520 Like I've been defensive of Israel, not exactly Israel, but like of it's, if it's right to 1.00

00:35:28.240 defend itself, I haven't really been zeroing in on their tactics and all the news over

00:35:32.660 the past two years.

00:35:33.240 It's just not what our show does, but in general, supportive of Israel and definitely defensive 0.98

00:35:37.380 of American Jews subjected to antisemitism.

00:35:39.900 And, um, I had him on the show numerous times where we talked about those issues.

00:35:44.180 I promoted his very crappy podcast for him many times.

00:35:48.180 And then after literally I said nothing antisemitic, even arguably antisemitic, he was out, he was

00:35:53.020 one of the first out there attacking me. 0.99

00:35:54.320 Like what the fuck? 1.00

00:35:56.080 Like, yes, I agree. 1.00

00:35:57.480 A snake.

00:35:58.240 But so like, yeah, like to me, that's snake behavior.

00:36:00.720 Like if I was going to go on stage and say, I'm disgusted to be on here with you, I guarantee

00:36:05.420 you, I'd have that energy in the green room with you too.

00:36:07.800 To me, like just as a man, that's just how you conduct yourself.

00:36:10.760 But my point is, so initially Candace made the accusation that Jewish donors were pulling

00:36:17.420 money from Charlie Kirk over platforming Tucker and you and me.

00:36:21.080 And that Charlie was so mad that he was getting ready to turn on Israel and Josh Hammer and

00:36:26.420 Bill Ackman, they all came out.

00:36:27.540 They said that is an antisemitic lie.

00:36:29.920 And then the text message dropped.

00:36:31.720 Like, I'm sorry, but you just, that is a, it is a, and by the way, Josh Hammer in every

00:36:36.760 interview while he was saying that just kept saying how much Charlie Kirk loved his book.

00:36:40.980 It's like the weirdest thing to say about your friend right after they died.

00:36:44.820 Like, imagine it was like that, that was my, you know, Charlie always told me how great

00:36:48.820 my podcast was and you really got to listen to it.

00:36:51.040 And you can check it out and settle for more on amazon.com.

00:36:54.640 Yeah.

00:36:54.820 Like, I mean, and then Benjamin Netanyahu decides to read from this letter and quote, only like

00:37:01.280 three sentences where Charlie's talking about how much he loves Israel.

00:37:04.300 And he omits that the entire letter was Charlie going, we're getting killed out here.

00:37:10.320 I don't have counter arguments to what these, this Hasbro stuff isn't working anymore.

00:37:15.280 We're losing the entire young generation. 0.97

00:37:17.520 Like what a lie of omission that is.

00:37:19.900 And so I just like, I'm kind of just disgusted by all of that.

00:37:24.040 I just, I can't imagine like a friend of yours who, um, like just got publicly executed

00:37:30.360 in the most horrific way.

00:37:31.680 It's the biggest profile, the highest profile political assassination of our lifetime during

00:37:36.060 an active murder investigation.

00:37:38.060 You're just out there lying about this.

00:37:40.540 I'm just, I was like blown away by that.

00:37:43.520 It's, it's awful.

00:37:44.880 I mean, I said this yesterday, I'll say it again today.

00:37:47.640 I do have thoughts on what's happening now between Candace and Erica, and I will be sharing

00:37:51.980 them very soon.

00:37:52.680 And I have a very good reason for not sharing them yet, which will become very apparent to

00:37:56.820 everybody when I do.

00:37:58.300 Um, but putting a pin in that for my audience and me.

00:38:01.320 Um, okay, let's keep going because there are a couple interested now. 0.98

00:38:04.640 No, no, I'm going to exercise patience.

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00:41:56.640 This just broke moments ago.

00:41:59.080 The Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have released photos from Jeffrey Epstein's estate.

00:42:04.340 We're getting dribs and drabs of this.

00:42:07.900 And we had some pictures already, and here's some.

00:42:10.520 There are some that show Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Steve Bannon, Bill Gates, and others.

00:42:16.640 None of the released images depicts any sexual misconduct.

00:42:20.220 None is believed to depict underage girls.

00:42:22.540 It was not immediately clear when or where they were taken or by whom.

00:42:25.880 Okay, here's one.

00:42:27.460 This image, I haven't seen it, I'm seeing it with you for the first time,

00:42:30.600 shows what appears to be a bowl of novelty condoms and a caricature of Trump's face.

00:42:36.860 The bowl has a sign that reads, Trump condom, $4.50. 0.90

00:42:40.740 Each condom bears an image of Trump's face with the text, I'm huge. 0.94

00:42:45.500 I have no idea what the context of this is. 0.91

00:42:47.820 It's just like being dropped out, like, I guess, Trump, Trump and condoms.

00:42:52.300 So it's interesting to the Dems.

00:42:54.460 Another shows Trump with six women wearing Hawaiian leis,

00:42:59.100 whose faces have been redacted by the committee.

00:43:01.820 Okay, no one's shocked to see Donald Trump with attractive young women.

00:43:05.580 It's kind of been something he's done his whole life.

00:43:08.420 Others include Steve Bannon and Epstein taking a photograph in a mirror.

00:43:13.580 This, too, is not a surprise.

00:43:14.780 Surprise Steve Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein were a lot closer than we knew.

00:43:18.680 This show disclosed that weeks ago, months ago, a month ago,

00:43:25.180 where we talked about the tapes we had heard in which Epstein was being coached

00:43:30.700 by Melissa Rumler, the former Obama White House counsel, and Steve Bannon,

00:43:34.700 and how to handle his growing reputational and legal problems

00:43:38.700 post the Miami Herald expose of him in 2018.

00:43:42.360 Let's see.

00:43:43.220 Bill Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell and another couple.

00:43:46.660 Tech billionaire Bill Gates with the former Prince Andrew.

00:43:51.200 Prince Andrew's like the Waldo of the Jeffrey Epstein world.

00:43:54.300 Former Harvard President Larry Summers and lawyer Alan Dershowitz

00:43:57.660 also appearing in pictures from the estate.

00:43:59.260 Of course, we know that Alan represented Epstein, getting him that sweetheart deal.

00:44:03.420 Last but not least, House Democrat Oversight tweet on the photos released.

00:44:06.960 Breaking.

00:44:07.400 Oversight Dems received 95,000 new photos from Epstein's estate.

00:44:10.660 These disturbing images raise even more questions about Epstein

00:44:13.420 and his relationships with some of the most powerful men in the world.

00:44:16.660 Time to end this White House cover-up.

00:44:18.320 Release the files.

00:44:20.200 So what's your take on where we stand now and what's been released on Epstein,

00:44:23.560 what's going to be released?

00:44:24.800 And even that law that Trump signed commanding the release has enough exceptions in it,

00:44:32.020 Dave, to drive a U-Haul truck through it.

00:44:35.760 Well, look, it's just, it's one of these things where it's just on the face of it.

00:44:39.700 It's too absurd.

00:44:41.400 Like, you just can't sell.

00:44:42.440 Look, I mean, they're saying, like, that the files have to be redacted for national security reasons.

00:44:48.580 Mike Johnson is saying that it would threaten the entire political order if it was released.

00:44:53.280 This is before they voted.

00:44:54.680 He lost the vote and it was voted to release.

00:44:57.800 Like, what?

00:44:59.120 Someone's got to explain that.

00:45:01.420 And, you know, to the point that you were making before,

00:45:04.460 one of the major things about, say, like the story about Moderna covering up,

00:45:11.360 that Alex Berenson broke about Moderna covering up one of the dead kids in their trials,

00:45:16.900 and the other 10 that died, which was separate from that one,

00:45:20.260 is that we all sit here and go, you lied through your teeth to us,

00:45:23.800 you censored us when we tried to tell the truth,

00:45:25.800 and no one's going to be held responsible for this.

00:45:28.380 Similar thing in the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

00:45:30.100 Very similar thing, by the way, which just kind of seems to go unnoticed,

00:45:32.820 that several months back, the director of national intelligence in what,

00:45:37.100 I know there's a lot of crazy things that go on these days,

00:45:39.140 but this seemed like a pretty big deal to me, Megan.

00:45:41.960 Pretty big deal that the director of national intelligence

00:45:44.700 accused the former president, Barack Obama, of committing treason,

00:45:49.240 says she has the proof, and she's sending it over to the Justice Department.

00:45:53.000 And when's that indictment coming?

00:45:55.580 We all know it's not happening.

00:45:56.940 We all know no one's getting held responsible for Russiagate or any of that.

00:46:00.100 I mean, even like, you know, even the Comey case,

00:46:04.820 which they totally seem to have mishandled,

00:46:06.540 that he's not going to face any justice over all the crimes he committed.

00:46:09.920 John Bolton may be actually caught with mishandling some classified information,

00:46:13.020 but that's separate from the major crimes that have been committed.

00:46:15.740 No one cares about John Bolton.

00:46:17.080 Right, right, right.

00:46:18.100 It's just not, like, are we ever, like,

00:46:20.340 essentially when your whole central political promise was to drain the swamp,

00:46:25.640 like, this is, you know, I've just never seen anything like this.

00:46:28.580 Like, where Donald Trump had so much momentum a year ago

00:46:32.220 and seems to have squandered all of it at this point.

00:46:35.200 And now we're worried about, like, the Dems charging back in

00:46:38.300 with an even more radical socialist agenda.

00:46:41.400 And so anyway, I guess, you know, I guess, like, looking at these pictures,

00:46:45.160 no, do they really reveal anything that we didn't kind of already know?

00:46:48.700 Something really creepy was going on there.

00:46:51.540 Donald Trump, look, a lot of people, myself included,

00:46:54.700 have a soft spot for Donald Trump because he came along as a wrecking ball.

00:46:58.420 He came along as a giant middle finger to the D.C. elite

00:47:02.340 who had done nothing short of destroy the United States of America. 0.59

00:47:07.680 I mean, I don't know how else to say it.

00:47:09.040 Provide, oh, they presided, excuse me, over the United States of America,

00:47:13.700 the strongest, most powerful, most economically advanced country

00:47:16.580 in the history of humankind.

00:47:17.900 And they've left us with $38 trillion in debt,

00:47:21.760 seven wars with just disastrous results,

00:47:25.040 nothing but millions of people slaughtered,

00:47:26.420 a debased currency, you know, just like so much awful.

00:47:32.000 And so he was the middle finger to them.

00:47:34.400 But if we're really being honest with ourselves here, 0.61

00:47:36.860 Donald Trump was always a seedy guy. 0.57

00:47:39.260 And like, you know, there's, he's cheating on his pregnant wife 0.99

00:47:43.560 with porn stars and he's on record,

00:47:45.820 there's already a tape of him out there.

00:47:47.040 Allegedly, reportedly.

00:47:48.620 Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

00:47:49.580 Fine, sorry, you're the lawyer.

00:47:50.760 You have to say, you're the reporter and the lawyer.

00:47:52.320 I'm a comedian, I get to just talk.

00:47:53.620 But like, you know, at the same time,

00:47:57.660 there's a videotape of him talking about how Jeffrey Epstein loves the women

00:48:01.360 and he loves them really young.

00:48:03.080 And also there were just, with guys, as you know, Megan, right?

00:48:06.340 Like with guys of that age,

00:48:09.660 they did come up in a different time where like,

00:48:12.520 True.

00:48:13.340 There was just a different attitude about very young girls.

00:48:16.860 It's an uncomfortable topic.

00:48:18.380 Cause like in my generation, we're not like that.

00:48:21.200 But, you know, I did grow up with songs like,

00:48:24.500 you know, like there's that song Into the Night,

00:48:26.420 which by the way is a great song.

00:48:27.840 The first lyric of it is,

00:48:29.400 she's just 15 years old.

00:48:32.060 Who sings that?

00:48:32.900 I can't remember the name of it.

00:48:35.520 It's called Into the Night.

00:48:36.440 I know the one.

00:48:37.040 I know it.

00:48:37.600 Now that you sing that.

00:48:38.860 Yeah.

00:48:39.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:40.020 But like the whole,

00:48:41.180 like it was,

00:48:42.140 there was just a different dynamic there.

00:48:43.820 Steve Krakauer says 16 FYI.

00:48:46.400 Okay.

00:48:46.640 That is much better than 15.

00:48:48.000 I mean, not that it's that much better,

00:48:49.420 but every year does make it better at that age.

00:48:52.060 Oh, be careful.

00:48:52.740 The internet's going to call you a pedophile defender.

00:48:55.180 No, no, no.

00:48:55.900 I'm not saying 16 is okay.

00:48:57.320 I'm saying 15 is much worse.

00:48:58.560 No one ever has.

00:48:59.460 14 is much worse.

00:48:59.880 For the record, no one on this set has said that either.

00:49:03.480 No, right.

00:49:04.100 I mean, but I'm just saying like they're actually,

00:49:06.980 like these guys come from a different time

00:49:08.900 with a different attitude.

00:49:10.080 We kind of all know

00:49:10.960 there's something really disgusting going on here,

00:49:13.020 but also beyond that,

00:49:15.400 look, say like you mentioned Alan Dershowitz.

00:49:17.500 Like I've seen Alan Dershowitz make the defense before

00:49:20.440 that, hey, I was his lawyer.

00:49:23.400 We have a legal system here

00:49:24.700 and everyone has the right to a defense attorney.

00:49:26.440 Hey, I'm not going to argue with that, right?

00:49:28.560 That is how our system of justice works.

00:49:30.600 But then you find like,

00:49:33.060 then there's the comment about like he kept his underwear on

00:49:35.360 when he was getting massaged.

00:49:36.680 Then just recently we find out that,

00:49:38.860 oh, you're actually working with Jeffrey Epstein

00:49:41.280 to try to silence the Israel lobby from being published.

00:49:46.500 Well, hey, that's not just being the guy's lawyer anymore.

00:49:49.420 Now you're in a position where you're working with a guy

00:49:51.780 who you know what he's doing

00:49:53.620 and you're still choosing to work with him

00:49:55.940 to try to do damage control on a story that's bad.

00:49:58.940 I miss that, Dave.

00:50:00.160 What year was that?

00:50:02.140 What year did that happen?

00:50:03.980 I'd have to double check what the year was,

00:50:06.460 but I know that-

00:50:07.000 The only reason I ask is Alan has said in his defense

00:50:10.420 that he defended Jeffrey Epstein back in 2008

00:50:13.360 when he thought it was a much more limited field of crimes

00:50:17.540 and that he does have a policy of not defending

00:50:20.680 like serial child abusers or sex abusers

00:50:24.160 and that his position is that he didn't know 0.91

00:50:26.780 of that piece of Jeffrey Epstein back then.

00:50:29.400 Forgive me if I haven't articulated it exactly right,

00:50:31.460 but I remember him saying that.

00:50:32.200 Okay, so maybe he may be able,

00:50:33.700 because I'm just thinking of when the Israel lobby came out.

00:50:36.040 I have to, that would have been like,

00:50:37.400 I mean, it was after the war in Iraq.

00:50:38.880 So it was in the 21st century.

00:50:42.220 It may be-

00:50:43.260 Steve is telling me he said it happened in 2006,

00:50:45.480 which would track that he would have-

00:50:47.760 Okay, so that would put it right before there.

00:50:49.300 Okay, fine, fine.

00:50:50.140 So I'll retract that.

00:50:51.340 But still, it does at least indicate that like,

00:50:54.040 it was a little bit more

00:50:54.960 than just you being his lawyer here.

00:50:57.760 So, okay, fine.

00:50:58.740 Well, we've seen Israel is the great uniter

00:51:01.060 for certain people.

00:51:02.500 And it's like, all that matters

00:51:04.040 in their interpretation of whether you're a good person or not

00:51:06.680 is how you feel about Israel.

00:51:08.380 That's like, it's kind of crazy.

00:51:10.220 100%.

00:51:10.540 Well, 100%.

00:51:11.800 I mean, I've certainly found that like myself

00:51:14.780 with a lot of these guys who like,

00:51:17.060 I was completely opposed to lockdowns

00:51:19.540 and the vaccine mandates.

00:51:21.860 I was completely opposed to US supporting the war

00:51:23.920 in Ukraine.

00:51:24.840 I was completely opposed to Joe Biden's open immigration.

00:51:27.340 I'm opposed to big government.

00:51:29.040 I believe in fiscal sanity.

00:51:30.940 These guys all love that stuff,

00:51:33.060 but it doesn't matter.

00:51:33.800 They think I'm the devil

00:51:34.700 because I'm critical of Israel 0.98

00:51:36.140 and the US relationship to Israel.

00:51:38.060 And this, by the way,

00:51:39.560 is John Mearsheimer and Waltz's whole point

00:51:41.920 is that this is the Israel lobby.

00:51:44.200 Like the Israel lobby isn't just AIPAC.

00:51:46.420 The Israel lobby is Barry Weiss 0.79

00:51:47.840 and Ben Shapiro and Alan Dershowitz.

00:51:49.780 It's very obvious.

00:51:50.700 It's their number one issue

00:51:51.940 that animates them the most.

00:51:53.420 You are evil if you're not on the same page with them

00:51:55.640 as far as that's concerned.

00:51:57.200 Ben Shapiro will, for all of his talk,

00:51:59.860 he'll sit down with a progressive

00:52:01.540 whose believes is pro-choice

00:52:04.060 and believes in transing the kids or whatever.

00:52:06.260 Maybe he'll even debate them.

00:52:07.820 He's not sitting down with me.

00:52:09.560 I'm beyond the pale.

00:52:11.180 So like, it's just like,

00:52:12.680 it's obvious to everyone at this point.

00:52:14.260 And I think all those guys,

00:52:15.820 I don't hate any of them.

00:52:17.520 I think all those guys would be better suited

00:52:19.980 to admit it.

00:52:22.280 Just admit that this is the issue

00:52:23.520 that animates you the most.

00:52:24.400 You're responding to the hatred

00:52:26.120 you're feeling from them

00:52:28.780 because you are an Israel critic.

00:52:31.000 Like they dropped the anti-Semitic word.

00:52:32.820 It's very offensive.

00:52:34.280 It's not apt.

00:52:35.860 So it's a bastardization of the term,

00:52:38.200 which weakens it.

00:52:38.980 And winds up rendering it meaningless.

00:52:41.180 Same as we saw the left do with racist 0.97

00:52:43.260 and anti-whatever, bigot, transphobe,

00:52:47.500 that kind of thing.

00:52:48.840 Ben and I have sat down.

00:52:50.420 He's never called me those words.

00:52:52.260 But the Israel lobby,

00:52:54.360 the loud Israel, pro-Israel people on Twitter

00:52:56.600 were quick to call me an anti-Semite

00:52:58.660 just for that Jeffrey Epstein comment.

00:53:01.200 Literally, it was like the pro-Israel coalition,

00:53:06.120 I published it when it happened,

00:53:08.020 called me an anti-Semite

00:53:09.780 and Charlie an anti-Semite at the time.

00:53:12.500 It was crazy.

00:53:13.580 Mark Levin and so on.

00:53:14.480 Anyway, enough about Israel.

00:53:15.760 I'm sick of talking about them.

00:53:17.320 Let's keep going.

00:53:18.580 The lawfare, one of the other things

00:53:20.820 that's fallen apart,

00:53:21.660 and you mentioned it in passing,

00:53:24.120 is the lawfare.

00:53:25.700 So the James Comey

00:53:26.920 and the Tish James indictments

00:53:28.380 have been dismissed

00:53:29.500 because the judge found

00:53:30.900 that Lindsay Halligan,

00:53:32.500 the acting U.S. attorney

00:53:33.920 for the Eastern District of Virginia,

00:53:35.440 was not properly appointed.

00:53:37.660 They're having a legal debate about that.

00:53:39.140 They're appealing that ruling.

00:53:40.280 But in the meantime,

00:53:41.140 they have to seek a re-indictment of each.

00:53:43.540 Now, Comey, there's an argument

00:53:44.560 that the statute of limitations has expired.

00:53:47.020 I think they're fine, actually.

00:53:48.240 I think it hasn't.

00:53:48.920 But okay, we're going to see that litigated.

00:53:51.220 But Tish James is well within

00:53:52.720 the statute of limitations,

00:53:53.660 should definitely be re-indicted.

00:53:56.680 Like, I don't care that it was a small number

00:53:58.520 on the mortgage fraud.

00:53:59.580 To me, it's very clear she committed it.

00:54:01.780 And now we get the news this week,

00:54:03.880 not one, but two grand juries

00:54:07.560 in the Commonwealth of Virginia,

00:54:09.720 first in Norfolk,

00:54:10.820 and now this week in Alexandria,

00:54:13.000 which is a blue town.

00:54:14.860 So I'm not sure how we're picking these towns

00:54:16.980 or whether they feel like they have

00:54:18.460 to choose one or the other

00:54:20.740 because nothing else makes sense.

00:54:22.240 Virginia does have some red counties.

00:54:24.640 has refused to indict her, Dave,

00:54:27.640 which is so effed up

00:54:29.780 because honestly,

00:54:30.520 if you look at what she did,

00:54:32.040 her tax documents

00:54:33.220 completely contradict

00:54:36.080 her mortgage application documents

00:54:38.560 on the use that she says

00:54:40.420 she's going to make of this house.

00:54:42.100 She said one thing to the mortgage company

00:54:43.840 and she said the diametrically opposed thing

00:54:46.220 to the tax,

00:54:48.040 well, to the IRS,

00:54:49.220 because she wanted a tax break on the house. 1.00

00:54:51.020 And then there's a text from her saying

00:54:52.500 just this year,

00:54:54.040 right before Trump got elected,

00:54:56.000 I better stop claiming it

00:54:57.380 the way I'm claiming it with the IRS.

00:54:58.820 It looks bad.

00:55:00.140 It looks suspicious.

00:55:01.680 And yet Trump cannot get

00:55:03.600 a re-indictment of this woman

00:55:05.560 because this is just part

00:55:07.320 of the legal challenge

00:55:08.540 that he's facing

00:55:09.160 because these grand jurors

00:55:10.960 won't indict her.

00:55:12.340 They've heard her

00:55:13.120 taint that jury pool

00:55:14.300 enough times

00:55:15.280 and the left

00:55:15.840 taint that jury pool

00:55:16.880 enough times.

00:55:17.880 This,

00:55:18.820 as he can't get his

00:55:20.280 chosen U.S. attorney,

00:55:22.580 Lindsey Halligan,

00:55:23.660 confirmed

00:55:24.120 because she's in a blue state.

00:55:26.860 Neither of those blue state senators

00:55:28.640 will approve her.

00:55:30.140 This is like a Senate practice.

00:55:31.320 It's not a law

00:55:32.560 that you have to get the blessing

00:55:33.900 of the two state senators,

00:55:35.580 U.S. senators from that state.

00:55:36.980 They won't bless her.

00:55:37.980 So he can't get the U.S. attorneys

00:55:39.160 he wants.

00:55:39.740 He can't get the judges through

00:55:40.880 that he wants.

00:55:41.520 And then he can't get grand jurors

00:55:43.080 to indict what honestly

00:55:44.520 is a clear-cut case

00:55:45.680 of mortgage fraud in my view

00:55:46.880 because they're politicized too.

00:55:48.900 This is part of what he's up against.

00:55:50.900 Yeah.

00:55:51.180 And like,

00:55:52.040 do we have any doubt

00:55:53.300 that if me or you

00:55:54.540 did the exact same thing

00:55:56.000 that we wouldn't be indicted for it

00:55:57.840 if they had text messages of me?

00:55:59.960 Yeah.

00:56:00.180 Like,

00:56:00.320 and so again,

00:56:01.500 that's the whole thing here.

00:56:02.840 It's like,

00:56:03.500 the American system

00:56:05.240 has like been perverted

00:56:07.400 by,

00:56:08.740 by of course,

00:56:09.540 deviating from what

00:56:10.460 true Americanism

00:56:11.340 was supposed to be,

00:56:12.320 which is essentially

00:56:13.000 the Declaration of Independence

00:56:14.220 and the Bill of Rights.

00:56:15.320 But now it's been perverted

00:56:16.980 into this place

00:56:18.120 where we really live

00:56:19.200 under a system

00:56:19.820 of anarcho-tyranny,

00:56:21.100 which was a term

00:56:21.740 I believe Sam Francis coined,

00:56:23.480 but I really do think

00:56:24.240 it perfectly describes it,

00:56:25.660 where it is kind of,

00:56:26.980 it's like the top

00:56:28.340 and the bottom

00:56:29.060 against the middle.

00:56:30.340 The middle live under tyranny, 1.00

00:56:32.100 the top and the bottom

00:56:33.340 have essentially anarchy, right?

00:56:35.740 Like there are,

00:56:36.420 you could,

00:56:36.700 so in other words,

00:56:37.960 if I'm,

00:56:39.220 if I,

00:56:39.640 if I open a business

00:56:40.740 and I don't follow

00:56:41.600 one regulation to a T,

00:56:43.320 they will crush me.

00:56:44.400 They will crush my business.

00:56:45.800 I will deal with fines.

00:56:46.900 I will deal with all,

00:56:47.620 you know what I mean?

00:56:48.020 Like all types.

00:56:48.860 If I don't,

00:56:49.860 even if you,

00:56:50.480 in many states,

00:56:51.340 if you just defend

00:56:52.320 your business

00:56:53.080 from like a homeless junkie

00:56:54.780 coming into it,

00:56:55.660 they will throw the book

00:56:56.740 at you. 0.98

00:56:57.260 That homeless junkie 0.98

00:56:58.420 can go lay down 0.89

00:56:59.280 on the street.

00:56:59.900 No one's ever going

00:57:00.520 to touch him.

00:57:01.320 That's at the bottom,

00:57:02.260 right?

00:57:02.460 At the top,

00:57:03.420 you can start a war

00:57:04.520 based off lies.

00:57:05.640 Never face any repercussions

00:57:06.880 from that.

00:57:07.440 You can institute torture. 1.00

00:57:08.940 You can kill American citizens 1.00

00:57:10.280 without charges. 1.00

00:57:11.640 You can,

00:57:11.880 you know,

00:57:12.140 lie the country into war, 0.62

00:57:13.540 undeclared wars,

00:57:14.520 illegal wars.

00:57:15.720 Doesn't matter.

00:57:16.400 Nothing will happen to you.

00:57:17.520 You can frame

00:57:18.340 the sitting president

00:57:19.200 for treason

00:57:20.000 in a coordinated way.

00:57:21.600 Nobody will ever

00:57:22.360 go to jail for that.

00:57:23.320 Nobody will ever

00:57:23.860 get prosecuted.

00:57:24.680 And then even financially,

00:57:26.140 right?

00:57:26.900 We have a giant welfare state

00:57:28.440 for people at the bottom

00:57:29.440 of our society

00:57:30.500 and a giant welfare state

00:57:32.200 for people at the top

00:57:33.240 of our society.

00:57:34.560 What is Nancy Pelosi's

00:57:35.720 insider trading?

00:57:36.580 That's welfare.

00:57:37.680 What are all these

00:57:38.200 government programs

00:57:39.000 for billionaires?

00:57:39.820 That's something

00:57:40.080 about welfare.

00:57:41.080 Banker bailouts,

00:57:42.100 corporate bailouts.

00:57:43.080 But the guy making

00:57:43.980 400 grand a year

00:57:45.540 has to pay like 220 grand

00:57:48.460 a year in taxes,

00:57:49.520 you know?

00:57:50.100 The person making

00:57:51.320 like 150 grand a year

00:57:52.860 just gets slammed

00:57:54.060 because they got to pay

00:57:55.000 for the welfare

00:57:55.540 for the poor people

00:57:56.400 and the welfare

00:57:57.260 for the rich people.

00:57:58.220 And they do pay it.

00:57:58.980 That's, yeah.

00:57:59.380 And the super rich

00:58:00.560 aren't paying these taxes.

00:58:01.520 Like I've told a story

00:58:02.280 before it came out

00:58:02.980 that Trump paid zero taxes

00:58:04.740 at one point

00:58:05.560 when we finally got a hold

00:58:06.920 of some of his tax returns.

00:58:08.280 And he said,

00:58:08.740 that makes me smart.

00:58:09.520 And, you know,

00:58:09.900 you can't argue with it.

00:58:10.860 If you could get away with it,

00:58:11.880 I think we'd all pay

00:58:12.520 zero in taxes.

00:58:13.440 But he's not alone.

00:58:14.540 I know another real estate

00:58:15.460 baron in New York

00:58:16.220 who has never paid tax.

00:58:17.940 Never.

00:58:18.580 Especially in real estate,

00:58:19.460 you can like declare

00:58:20.540 enough losses

00:58:21.240 that it makes it look

00:58:22.040 like you didn't have

00:58:22.860 any earnings.

00:58:23.440 But you're exactly right.

00:58:24.400 The working stiff

00:58:25.180 who's earning 400 grand a year,

00:58:26.860 which already gets cut,

00:58:27.880 you know,

00:58:28.160 50% plus

00:58:29.360 if you live in New York City.

00:58:30.540 He's got to pay it all.

00:58:31.780 He doesn't have the clever ways

00:58:32.900 of hiding his income.

00:58:34.100 And it all goes

00:58:35.100 to fund these groups.

00:58:35.860 You're 100% right.

00:58:38.040 Yeah.

00:58:38.480 It's just,

00:58:39.020 it's such an outrage

00:58:40.220 and it's so unsustainable.

00:58:42.480 And, you know,

00:58:43.540 really,

00:58:44.020 I would say this is

00:58:45.040 the core of the whole thing,

00:58:46.480 right,

00:58:46.980 is that,

00:58:47.540 and this is,

00:58:47.920 it's so interesting to me

00:58:48.760 because now Democrats,

00:58:49.840 their new thing

00:58:50.360 that they've found,

00:58:50.940 which does seem to be working

00:58:51.980 in terms of getting elected

00:58:53.420 for them,

00:58:54.040 at least in this last election,

00:58:55.080 they all ran on unaffordability.

00:58:57.460 Like,

00:58:57.640 that's the big thing,

00:58:58.400 which I just love this word,

00:58:59.720 unaffordability.

00:59:00.340 I would love the opportunity

00:59:01.540 to just like interview Mom Donnie 1.00

00:59:03.600 and just ask

00:59:04.660 what unaffordability means.

00:59:06.360 What does that mean?

00:59:07.440 Why,

00:59:07.740 why are things unaffordable?

00:59:09.240 Like what,

00:59:09.740 you know,

00:59:09.880 because it's like,

00:59:10.460 you look,

00:59:11.000 how do we get here?

00:59:12.140 Well,

00:59:12.540 okay,

00:59:12.720 so between,

00:59:13.420 and I don't have these exact numbers

00:59:14.600 in my head,

00:59:15.060 so anyway,

00:59:15.360 you could go look this up though,

00:59:16.460 but it's like between,

00:59:17.920 say from 2008,

00:59:19.400 Barack Obama comes in

00:59:20.580 after the financial recession

00:59:22.320 up until,

00:59:23.180 so Obama through Trump,

00:59:25.320 Biden,

00:59:26.220 back to Trump.

00:59:27.020 We've printed something like 50%

00:59:29.700 of the money that's ever existed

00:59:31.000 in the world.

00:59:31.960 Like,

00:59:32.180 it's just like trillions

00:59:33.360 and trillions

00:59:34.120 and trillions

00:59:34.740 and trillions of dollars

00:59:36.040 injected into the economy.

00:59:37.400 And then we look up

00:59:39.020 and the price of everything

00:59:40.620 is unaffordable.

00:59:42.340 Well,

00:59:42.600 geez,

00:59:43.060 Megan,

00:59:43.360 might that have something to do?

00:59:45.360 Like,

00:59:45.560 so anyway,

00:59:46.140 economists already have terms for this.

00:59:48.060 It's called currency debasement

00:59:49.660 and price inflation.

00:59:50.940 And the core of the problem here

00:59:52.900 is that we have a government

00:59:54.620 that we cannot even come close

00:59:56.740 to affording.

00:59:58.060 We don't have the money

00:59:59.300 for all of this.

01:00:00.160 We don't have the money

01:00:00.800 to be the world empire.

01:00:02.000 We don't have the money

01:00:02.580 for these giant entitlement programs.

01:00:04.280 We don't,

01:00:04.760 at this point,

01:00:05.920 one of the biggest line items

01:00:07.480 in the budget

01:00:08.060 is interest on the debt

01:00:09.400 because we couldn't afford

01:00:10.380 this size of government back then.

01:00:12.160 And so we can't tax the people enough.

01:00:14.360 We can't borrow enough.

01:00:15.520 And so our only option

01:00:16.540 is to print the money.

01:00:17.560 And now that leads

01:00:19.080 to an unaffordability crisis

01:00:21.240 where every 20-year-old

01:00:22.900 is coming into a world

01:00:24.080 where they're 100 grand

01:00:25.220 in debt from college,

01:00:26.320 they work at DoorDash,

01:00:27.600 and the average house

01:00:28.400 is going for 600 grand a year.

01:00:30.480 It's an unsustainable system.

01:00:32.420 And it's the thing

01:00:33.160 that's so criminal about it

01:00:34.460 is that it punishes people

01:00:35.860 for doing the right thing

01:00:37.520 and rewards everybody

01:00:38.880 who does the evil thing.

01:00:40.500 And there's no party objecting to it.

01:00:42.380 We used to have Republicans

01:00:43.300 towing the line

01:00:44.060 on, you know,

01:00:45.080 budget constraints

01:00:45.980 and not overspending.

01:00:46.900 They've completely abandoned that

01:00:48.580 definitely under Trump

01:00:49.700 one and two.

01:00:51.860 And there's no party now.

01:00:52.880 There's like,

01:00:53.360 there's a few Republicans

01:00:54.520 who are still like,

01:00:55.500 no, we can't afford it.

01:00:56.600 But they're in the minority now.

01:00:58.260 And by the way,

01:00:58.960 we just shifted the analysis

01:01:00.060 during those years

01:01:00.820 to say, oh, actually,

01:01:01.640 it doesn't matter.

01:01:02.480 We've changed all of our analysis.

01:01:04.100 It doesn't matter

01:01:04.720 if you just print the money

01:01:05.460 and overspend.

01:01:06.180 There'll be no consequences to it.

01:01:07.740 It's like modern monetary theory.

01:01:09.400 And we're reaping what we sow.

01:01:11.180 All right, wait,

01:01:11.440 I have to end it

01:01:12.280 on a positive note.

01:01:13.800 I do have some good news

01:01:16.060 for all of us,

01:01:17.300 which is about Ilhan Omar.

01:01:20.220 It starts bad,

01:01:21.560 but then it gets good.

01:01:23.720 She married her brother,

01:01:26.380 allegedly,

01:01:27.020 so that he could get

01:01:28.000 into the country

01:01:28.720 and be here,

01:01:30.320 like an immigration matter.

01:01:31.180 Trump keeps saying

01:01:31.780 that she married her brother

01:01:32.880 so she could get in.

01:01:33.880 That's not it.

01:01:35.100 It's,

01:01:35.440 she was already in.

01:01:36.040 She was brought in by her dad

01:01:36.920 when she was young,

01:01:38.400 under 18.

01:01:39.700 But she did reportedly,

01:01:42.260 allegedly,

01:01:42.940 marry her own brother 0.97

01:01:44.060 so that he could come

01:01:45.480 into the country

01:01:46.040 and then divorced him

01:01:47.500 and got remarried

01:01:48.620 to her own ex-husband,

01:01:49.840 I think is how it went,

01:01:51.100 because this is all a fraud

01:01:52.740 to get her brother here.

01:01:54.540 Now,

01:01:55.580 legal insurrection,

01:01:57.120 which is a great website,

01:01:57.920 tells me

01:01:58.340 the statute of limitations

01:01:59.500 has run on that claim,

01:02:01.160 that immigration fraud claim

01:02:02.240 with the brother,

01:02:03.220 if indeed it happened.

01:02:04.540 However,

01:02:05.400 because Tom Homan was on Fox,

01:02:06.920 saying that

01:02:07.840 they're looking into this

01:02:09.280 brother thing

01:02:09.800 with Ilhan Omar.

01:02:10.860 That's the best news

01:02:11.900 we've heard.

01:02:12.620 I'm thrilled

01:02:13.480 that DHS is actually

01:02:14.780 looking into it.

01:02:15.780 So,

01:02:16.240 if the statute of limitations

01:02:17.340 has run

01:02:17.980 on the brother situation,

01:02:20.180 still it should be exposed

01:02:21.120 and documented,

01:02:22.440 there is the possibility

01:02:23.580 that she's still in trouble

01:02:24.760 because now

01:02:26.500 they think,

01:02:28.480 okay,

01:02:28.680 let me just read the following,

01:02:29.920 and they're citing this,

01:02:30.940 Matt Tardio on X.

01:02:33.120 Ilhan Omar claims

01:02:33.980 that she obtained

01:02:35.080 her citizenship

01:02:35.800 when her father

01:02:36.580 was naturalized

01:02:37.240 in 2000,

01:02:38.180 just months before

01:02:38.800 her 18th birthday.

01:02:39.900 But there's a problem.

01:02:40.640 No record has been found

01:02:42.520 of his naturalization paperwork.

01:02:45.560 In response

01:02:45.920 to a FOIA request

01:02:46.840 for her father's

01:02:47.660 N-400 paperwork

01:02:48.760 filed by A.J. Kern

01:02:50.080 in June of 2023,

01:02:51.980 the National Records Center

01:02:52.920 was unable to locate

01:02:54.040 any filings

01:02:55.160 under his name.

01:02:56.560 Question,

01:02:56.980 can she be denaturalized 0.97

01:02:58.760 and deported

01:02:59.860 if this is substantiated?

01:03:01.920 Answer,

01:03:02.360 yes,

01:03:02.740 if fraud was involved

01:03:04.100 in her father's

01:03:05.540 alleged naturalization,

01:03:06.740 then her citizenship

01:03:08.280 could be on the chopping block

01:03:11.200 because that would be

01:03:12.700 immigration fraud

01:03:13.700 by the dad

01:03:15.600 that would affect her 0.80

01:03:17.040 and that would be

01:03:19.080 a political earthquake,

01:03:20.960 Dave Smith,

01:03:22.000 that if she,

01:03:24.040 if she's not a U.S. citizen,

01:03:26.680 she can't be a U.S. House member

01:03:28.540 and she could be deported.

01:03:30.140 I mean, like,

01:03:31.260 I just want to give you

01:03:32.080 that little nugget

01:03:33.300 going off into the weekend.

01:03:35.260 It might,

01:03:35.500 it might be evil

01:03:36.540 how excited

01:03:37.380 that prospect makes me,

01:03:39.000 but that really

01:03:39.780 would be something.

01:03:40.960 I mean,

01:03:41.500 geez,

01:03:42.080 what a weird story.

01:03:44.000 Yeah.

01:03:44.340 Well, look,

01:03:44.800 I mean,

01:03:45.100 there's no self-respecting country

01:03:47.240 can put up with people

01:03:49.080 and don't get me wrong.

01:03:49.740 I could make our,

01:03:50.280 you know,

01:03:50.400 we've been bombing Somalia 1.00

01:03:51.500 for 20 years

01:03:52.480 and hundreds,

01:03:53.260 thousands of people

01:03:53.820 have died in that country

01:03:54.820 and lots of people

01:03:55.540 have fleed over,

01:03:56.560 you know,

01:03:56.760 like U.S. action.

01:03:57.600 Like,

01:03:57.820 I'm not trying to sound

01:03:58.500 like a lefty here.

01:03:59.300 I'm just a constitutionalist

01:04:00.700 Ron Paul type guy

01:04:01.640 who's like,

01:04:01.980 we shouldn't have been doing that.

01:04:03.300 But no self-respecting country.

01:04:05.700 Yes,

01:04:05.860 but no self-respecting country

01:04:07.400 can have a system

01:04:08.400 where anyone from the world

01:04:10.000 can come in

01:04:10.940 and then immediately

01:04:12.000 start lecturing us

01:04:13.040 about how our society

01:04:14.260 is wrong

01:04:14.900 and needs to be overhauled.

01:04:16.260 I just,

01:04:16.720 it's so outrageous.

01:04:17.800 Like,

01:04:18.300 to not have a,

01:04:19.200 like,

01:04:19.520 I try to imagine,

01:04:20.340 like,

01:04:20.620 if everything fell to pieces here

01:04:22.500 and my,

01:04:23.020 I thought my only chance

01:04:23.860 for survival

01:04:24.480 was for,

01:04:25.420 for my wife and kids

01:04:26.320 was if I could go to Japan

01:04:27.540 and then Japan let us in

01:04:29.120 and then I immediately

01:04:30.020 started telling Japan 0.95

01:04:30.980 how racist they are 1.00

01:04:32.160 and awful they are 1.00

01:04:33.080 and how their whole system 0.97

01:04:34.060 needs to be overthrown.

01:04:35.340 It's just,

01:04:36.100 it's intolerable

01:04:37.200 and so I do,

01:04:38.700 I root for this to happen.

01:04:40.340 It's rude.

01:04:41.140 Think about it.

01:04:41.600 I always think about it

01:04:42.240 like in terms of a dinner party.

01:04:43.740 If somebody came over to your house

01:04:45.000 for a dinner party

01:04:45.540 and immediately started ripping

01:04:46.460 on how you decorated your place,

01:04:47.840 on the food that you served,

01:04:49.060 the wine that you offered,

01:04:50.440 you'd never invite them back again.

01:04:51.760 You'd want them out that minute

01:04:52.800 and this is kind of like that.

01:04:54.620 By the way,

01:04:55.100 to end on a funny note,

01:04:56.400 I once heard a very funny story

01:04:59.080 about Peter Jennings,

01:05:00.380 you know,

01:05:00.820 storied news anchor

01:05:01.660 of ABC all those years

01:05:03.280 and I've heard it directly

01:05:05.000 from somebody

01:05:05.460 who was with him

01:05:05.980 when it happened.

01:05:07.080 They were,

01:05:07.520 apparently he was like notorious

01:05:08.740 for being a rude dinner guest

01:05:10.460 and it was post a dinner party.

01:05:13.840 He was still at the host's house

01:05:15.120 and the good-natured attendees

01:05:17.660 were helping the host

01:05:19.000 like wash a couple of dishes

01:05:20.680 and just clean up from the table

01:05:22.020 and I guess they were all

01:05:23.740 standing around

01:05:24.160 and he was one of them

01:05:24.880 and they said something

01:05:26.760 like did you enjoy yourself

01:05:27.640 and he was like,

01:05:28.180 oh yeah,

01:05:28.460 lovely party,

01:05:28.960 lovely party.

01:05:30.120 The wine you served

01:05:31.160 was just awful.

01:05:32.580 Like who does that?

01:05:35.680 Who behaves that way,

01:05:37.120 Dave Smith?

01:05:37.880 He lived up to his reputation

01:05:39.540 apparently behind the scenes. 0.99

01:05:41.280 He was a very rude prick 0.98

01:05:42.960 and not someone 0.99

01:05:43.880 you'd want over for dinner.

01:05:45.160 Keep it to yourself.

01:05:48.360 He was a real

01:05:49.260 Elon Omar of his time.

01:05:52.020 In any event,

01:05:53.420 I would keep it to myself

01:05:55.120 but then I'm not a wine tool.

01:05:57.480 That's what Doug and I call

01:05:58.160 the people who are over the top

01:05:59.100 on their wine.

01:05:59.800 We're not wine tools.

01:06:00.740 We usually like pretty much

01:06:01.780 anything you put in front of us.

01:06:03.000 I started off honestly

01:06:04.020 on the Franzia box wine

01:06:05.700 back in my early lawyer days.

01:06:07.760 It was delicious.

01:06:08.740 Can I tell you,

01:06:09.400 I would take a glass of that

01:06:11.040 happily to this day

01:06:11.900 because I don't have

01:06:12.580 a sophisticated palate

01:06:13.600 and that is a good thing,

01:06:14.860 not a bad thing.

01:06:15.580 Give you the last word.

01:06:17.240 I agree with you.

01:06:18.560 Sometimes making money

01:06:20.480 and getting sophisticated stuff

01:06:22.220 just ruins you

01:06:22.960 for being able to enjoy

01:06:24.040 what you used to be able to enjoy.

01:06:25.640 I've become a bourbon snob

01:06:27.380 and it's nothing but a burden

01:06:28.480 on my life.

01:06:30.500 Well, let me put it to this way.

01:06:31.940 You're at a party.

01:06:33.260 They're passing mixed hors d'oeuvres.

01:06:35.040 One is caviar. 0.99

01:06:36.380 One is pigs in a blanket. 0.54

01:06:38.020 Which one do you go for? 0.96

01:06:39.800 Megan, that was a great example. 0.99

01:06:42.120 Pigs in a blanket all day. 0.98

01:06:43.740 Come on, a little bit of mustard.

01:06:46.460 Yes, a little like the Dijon mustard.

01:06:48.740 You know, yellow is fine too,

01:06:49.960 but like top notch would be Dijon.

01:06:51.920 Yes, the common man roots.

01:06:53.800 That's what makes everybody happy.

01:06:55.300 No one dislikes the Kraft mac and cheese.

01:06:57.360 These are the things

01:06:57.980 that bring us together

01:06:58.760 in these special holiday moments.

01:07:00.980 Dave Smith, a pleasure.

01:07:02.200 Thanks so much for being here.

01:07:03.980 No, thank you so much, Megan.

01:07:05.140 And as I've told you privately,

01:07:06.480 I just, I really, really appreciate

01:07:08.240 you just being a voice of reason

01:07:10.140 and being fair throughout

01:07:11.600 kind of this whole last year of craziness.

01:07:14.880 So it was really a pleasure to talk with you.

01:07:17.260 Thank you.

01:07:18.040 I really appreciate it.

01:07:19.240 And we'll talk again soon.

01:07:20.460 All right, lots of love.

01:07:21.780 We got to go because we're actually

01:07:23.500 catching a train to DC

01:07:25.120 and I'll fill you in on what that's all about on Monday.

01:07:27.980 Have a great weekend and we'll see you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 12, 2025

Megyn Kelly on the Truth About the Charlie Kirk Assassination, Plus Dave Smith on Epstein, Israel, and Distrusting the Elites ｜ Ep. 1212

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