Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth ｜ Ep. 965
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Duke lacrosse player Crystal Mangum admits she made up the entire rape accusation against three other Duke lacrosse players. Megyn Kelly tells the story of how the media rushed to judgment in the wake of this scandal, and how it led to a massive miscarriage of justice.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's AM special episode
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where we take a deep dive today into Duke La Crosse accuser Crystal Mangum admitting once
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and for all that she made up that entire story. This is such a crazy story on so many levels,
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you guys, and for me personally it has an additional layer because this is the story on
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which I cut my teeth as a young reporter at Fox News. Many of you may remember that. I actually
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heard a lot of people, saw a lot of people tweeting at me and emailing us saying they do remember our
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coverage because it was not only a massive travesty of justice, almost, almost, but it
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was a massive travesty of journalism and virtually everyone was sinful. I'm, I, look, be honest,
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I don't remember anyone other than yours truly and Dan Abrams at Court TV at the time reporting
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honestly on this case, reporting accurately on this case. Are you ready to challenge yourself
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Everyone, everyone else in the media rushed to judgment because what was alleged in this case,
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for those of you who were not around or too young to care, or it's just been a long time,
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was that on March, um, I don't remember the date, but in March of 2006, three Duke lacrosse players
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gang raped a woman of color, a black woman from Durham, North Carolina. That's where Duke is located.
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And Durham has a not well-off side of town and it is a majority minority town. So these are three
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white boys at Duke on the lacrosse team and one black stripper who claimed she'd been gang raped by
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them. I mean, just in those allegations alone, you can see and feel how explosive it was and would
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have been. And it allegedly happened at a house in which the Duke lacrosse team was holding a party.
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So it wasn't just these three, it was the team. And this hit the media like wildfire. They loved this
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story. Now with retrospect, you know, we've got some, you know, 19 years of dealing with this
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version of the news media under our belts. So you're not surprised to hear that given those dynamics,
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the racial differences, the class differences, uh, the gender differences that the media rushed
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to judgment against these boys. But at the time, believe it or not, we weren't like that yet in the
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media. We weren't used to the media doing this. It was still a time in which we tended to be more
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judicious in our coverage and careful. And this was the before and after moment at which we abandoned
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that. It really was, this was the seminal moment in the media leaning into what we now know as
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wokeness. When they looked at cases and stories like this one, it was a travesty in many ways.
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And thank God, these three boys wound up getting let off the hook by the attorney general who stepped
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in to take over, but the media, they got away with it and they continued to sin in exactly the same way
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they did in that case ever since. Here we are almost 20 years later and they're still at it.
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And that's really, what's remarkable about this case. And for me, it is personal because I lived
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it firsthand. And I'll tell you what brought me to the case. I was hired by Fox in August of 2004.
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I had done a year in journalism working for the ABC affiliate down in Washington, DC. And so I was
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young in my reporting career, but I had almost 10 years of legal practice under my belt as a
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litigator. So I was very used to looking at disputed fact patterns and being asked to make arguments to
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judges and juries and to behind the scenes, talk frankly with my own teams about what we believed
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was true. You know, you don't come into it with any superior knowledge as a lawyer. You have what your
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client tells you, you have what you hear from opposing clients in depositions and in court,
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and you form your own judgment on what you believe. And if you can get to the actual truth,
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it's very helpful that you may argue it one way or another when you're actually in court,
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but you do your level best to figure out what did happen. And that's exactly how I approached this
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case. But even I, who was not woke and who was a trained litigator needed a warning on this case
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because I was still young. I was 33. No, I went 33 when I joined Fox, but by this time, March of,
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of, uh, Oh six, I was 35 and I'm going to confess. I saw the fact pattern. I was like,
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I could see it happening. I'm not so like jaded, certainly not by media. I was barely in it,
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but or by life that I could never see this happening. You know, lacrosse players. Uh,
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I know I love lacrosse players. Truth be told, because I went to Syracuse and I dated
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the captain of the team that won three national championships there. And I knew a lot of these
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guys and they were great guys. They certainly weren't a bunch of rapists, but they liked to
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party. I just, you know, it's just the general atmosphere of debauchery did not seem impossible to
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me and a bunch of guys really drunk at a party. Who's to say it's impossible. So I wasn't ready
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to condemn them knee jerk, but I also wasn't of the thought, no way. And Brit Hume put me on this case
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who was my boss in the DC bureau. He was the managing editor down there and it was getting a lot of
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traction this case. And he said, you need to go to Durham and get boots on the ground, if you will,
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and start reporting and breaking news in this case. And I said, okay. And we talked about it.
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And I said, do you think they did it? And he said, what do you think? And I was like, oh, maybe now
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Brit had had a very different background than I did. Brit, uh, had gone to, I believe a private
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boys school. And he had sent his own son to a private boys school for sure in Virginia.
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And it was a feeder school for programs like Duke lacrosse, by the way. And Brit had a very nice
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family background, you know, maybe like a little bit of prestige and connection. I didn't have any
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of that. Brit had an academic pedigree that was beautiful and a journalistic pedigree that matched.
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And Brit is a brilliant guy, as you probably all know. Very, very, very smart. And we used to joke
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in the DC bureau about if Brit says it, it's right. Okay. I realized there are some people who are
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like, well, I didn't get Trump right. He was not a big fan of Donald Trump first time around, but
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nine times out of 10, Brit has his facts straight and his instincts when it comes to news judgment are
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spot on. So he said to me, be careful, you know, that deep voice he has, be careful. And I said,
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what do you mean? And he said, the media senses something here that is not consistent with the
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Fox news mission. And he was talking about leaning into identity politics back then it was called more
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political correctness. And he said, that's not what we do at Fox news. And he said, go down there
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and keep an open mind. That was his sole direct to me. Keep an open mind. And honestly, that's all you
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had to do to get this story, right. That's all you had to do. And you know what? Not coincidentally,
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Dan Abrams, the other person who was getting it right and did get it right, went to Duke.
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My husband went to Duke. Um, and actually it's the reason that Doug and I got married. I'll explain
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that later. But anyway, so Dan went to Duke and he knew a lot of these guys too. And he and Brit with
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that background, they knew from their experience and exposure to guys like, no, these are not a bunch
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of gang rapists who happened to just get into Duke. And they were familiar with media narratives around
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privilege and white guys that were BS, right? So it was a very interesting collection of those who got
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it right. And the re what saved me was my background as a litigator and Brit's advice. Okay. So I go down
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to Durham, North Carolina, and I was very determined to not only pursue the guys and their story. And I
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developed the best sources you could get on team defense, but also to pursue her, the accuser and
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see if we couldn't find something, something exclusive, something more. And boy, did we ever.
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So we covered both angles of the story and had great sources. And I'll tell you one other reason
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why Brit had it right. Uh, my boss and, and encouraged me because he sensed immediately there,
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this is a political story in addition to a legal one, because what we had in the Duke case was a
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white district attorney who was up for reelection in an election year in, as I pointed out, a majority
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minority district. So it was a chance to pander. It was a chance to say to the black residents of Durham,
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I'll get those privileged white pricks, even though I'm a white guy and Brit read it. And we actually would
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later find out that Mike knife on, if he could retire at this sort of higher level, if he could get reelected
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and he could retire, retire, retire at that level, he would have a much higher pension than he otherwise
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would. And so he had a personal stake in it, not just to get reelected, but also a personal financial stake
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in, in, in pursuing this case and, and leading us to believe there really was one. This is the villain
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of the case. I mean, he's the biggest villain. Now, Mike knife on is the biggest villain involved
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here. And again, the reason we're covering this again is because the other main figure in making
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this case happen against these young men, crystal Mangum has now for the first time in 19 years
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admitted. It was all a lie. We knew that we just never heard her say it. And by the way,
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we just got reaction from one of the boys and I'll read it to you in a minute. One of his lawyers.
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Um, so we go down to Durham, uh, my producer, uh, Jake Gibson, our photog and I, and we start
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working sources and it was insane. So many crazy things happened when I was down there one night we
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were trying to find her. She was impossible to find. She had gone underground. She accused three boys of
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rape and she went completely underground. No one could find her. No one's even trying to find her
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because they just wanted to believe her story and what we did to find her. I mean, we went into this
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strip club after strip club was hilarious actually, because, uh, we'd walk in, we, we try to act like
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civilians. So they wouldn't mark us as press. And I mean, we were two steps into the door of these
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facilities and they'd say press. And, and my team looked at me and said, it's you. I said,
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where are their bread and butter? They would never suspect us as press. Anyway, we had many funny
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conversations with these strip club owners where I got my fake strip club stripper name, where we asked
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the one guy, what, like, what do you think, what would my name be? If we, if we got up here and, uh,
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one of my guys said something, how about sugar? And he said, white confectioner sugar,
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which is like the pasting of sugar there is. I don't think it was a compliment. Anywho,
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on we go. That's just one memory I have. Um, she was sat down by the police and given
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a photo lineup of the Duke lacrosse team. That was her allegation. I've been gang raped
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by Duke lacrosse players. And so they gave her the Duke lacrosse roster, which is not an appropriate
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lineup at all. That's accepting that it was definitely somebody on the Duke lacrosse team.
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Any sane person would have put in at the police station would have put in non Duke lacrosse
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players, plenty of them into a bigger lineup and asked her to choose. Well, it turns out
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she failed even the stacked test that they gave her and was unable to identify anybody.
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And we would later learn that she went through it at least twice and was unable to identify anybody.
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And then under pressure, she selected one of the team's captains, Dave Evans,
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who was a senior and two others. And Colin, uh, Finnerty and Reed Seligman were the other big losers
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of the Crystal Mangum guesses that day. That's, uh, Finnerty on the right with the yellow tie,
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Evans in the middle and Reed Seligman on the left. Just so you know, um, they,
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they almost went to jail for 30 years. These three boys almost went to prison for decades.
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They would still be in prison right now. If this woman had her way, if Mike knife on the DA had his
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way. So the media went wild with it and started reporting the most vile details as though they were
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true. And I will give the media one crutch here in, in terms of my criticism of their,
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them falling down on the job. It is that Mike knife on actively misled them in the community
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about what he knew and what he didn't know. He overstepped bounds that prosecutors should never
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overstep. You know how now the prosecutors are very loath to say anything about a case.
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They'll charge it, but they'll say, I'm not going to try it in the press. It's not appropriate.
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The prosecutors are, are supposed to seek justice, not a conviction. There are exceptions. Hi Fanny
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looking at you, looking at you, sweetheart. There are exceptions like Fanny Willis. Um,
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but it's in part due to the sins committed by Mike knife on who was out there. We pulled just a couple
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of them saying things like, we don't have a lot of him on camera, but I'll just read you some of what
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he said. Uh, I believe a crime occurred. The guilty will stand trial. And there's no doubt
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a sexual assault took place. The information I have leads me to conclude a rape did occur.
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It must be dealt with quickly and harshly. The circumstances of the rape indicated a deep
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racial motivation for some of the things that were done. Keep in mind, it's all fake. Okay.
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We know now for sure. Totally fucking fake made up stuff. And the DA is saying there was a rape
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with a deep racial motivation. It makes a crime that is by its nature, one of the most offensive
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and invasive, even more so to MSNBC. There's evidence of trauma in the victim's vaginal area
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that was noted when she was examined by a nurse at the hospital. I'm convinced there was a rape
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says to ABC local where you have the act of rape, essentially a gang rape. It's bad enough in and of
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itself. But when it's made with racial epithets against the victim, absolutely unconscionable.
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The, the contempt that was shown for this victim based on her race was totally abhorrent to the
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New York times. The thing that most of us found so abhorrent. And the reason I decided to take it
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over myself was the combination gang, like rape activity accompanied by the racial slurs and general
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racial hostility. This is like, think about this. Think about these poor guys knowing they did
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nothing. They did nothing. And they're being accused of being vile, racist rapists by the DA who can't
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smear them often enough. And a complicit media who refuses to pause to check it out. You know,
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the old saying in journalism, if your mother tells you, she loves you, check it out.
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They wouldn't check it out. His word was gold. They had to be guilty because they were white.
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They were allegedly privileged and they were prick Duke lacrosse players who don't, we all just hate
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all of them anyway. Meanwhile, they weren't all from families of privilege. Uh, and, and that was
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well-documented at the time by Hannity on whose show I would go regularly. Um, and he knew at least one
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of them, I think it was, um, affinity who is from his area of long Island. These kids were not all
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from families of privilege, but they, no one cared. Duke lacrosse players, enough said, uh, and she was
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a stripper and black and a single mother. So all of that. Great. We know what to say. Um,
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here's a little bit of knife on his allegations in the press at the time. Stop 40.
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What happened here was one of the worst things that's happened since, uh, I have become district
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attorney. The reason that I took this case is because this case says something about Durham
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that I'm not going to let me see it. I am not going to allow Durham's view and the mind of the world
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to be a bunch of lacrosse players from Duke raping a black girl in Durham. Then I said
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that the lacrosse team was the focus of the investigation because they self-nominated
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themselves for that. You know, if a body had been found in front of the courthouse with four
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bullet holes in the back and I said, looks like a murder. Well, we'd be hearing this thing about,
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oh, he prejudged the crime. I don't think so. No, the fact is that I didn't pick the crime.
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I didn't pick the time, but I'm going to do the case right because you deserve that.
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Is it any wonder that protests arose at Duke and within about three minutes,
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the entire Duke lacrosse season was canceled. It was canceled by the university. You're all guilty
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before a trial, before we've even tested the credibility of your accuser. You're done.
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And you all know at this point now, with sports having gotten so big that, you know, these kids
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who got into Duke lacrosse, one of the best programs in the nation repeatedly, they devoted their entire
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lives, you know, their first 18 years to mastering their abilities at this sport. You get into Duke,
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it's a dream. It's a great school. You're playing. This is like truly a dream come true.
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And now because of this one woman's allegations, your entire dream is in shambles. And that guy's
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out there accusing your teammates. And if you're one of these three, you of being a racist rapist.
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Here's some of the protests we saw. We will be here from gavel to gavel to when the final
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jury verdict is read. And we demand and are pursuing that this jury verdict come back
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guilty against the accused. It should come back what? Guilty. It should come back what? Guilty.
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Signs talking about them being castrated. Outraged. Duke alum.
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The people who think that it's okay to propagate sexual violence and racial violence and class
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violence. There are not just legal consequences for these actions, there are community consequences.
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And the people that are here today are members of your community and who will be here tomorrow
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and into perpetuity, protecting each other and taking care of each other. The community consequences
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for this action, I guarantee you, will range far beyond the legal consequences that you will face.
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We saw a kind of mob mentality that took hold of the activist wing of the Duke faculty,
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which culminated in an April 2006 statement signed by 88 Duke faculty members, called the group
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of 88, in which before any charges even had been filed, these 88 faculty members took out an ad,
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a full page ad, in the Duke campus newspaper. They unequivocally asserted that something had happened
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to Crystal Mangum. She was claiming rape. The lacrosse players said nothing happened. They said that they
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would continue their activism regardless of what the court decided or what the police said. And they thanked
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public protesters for not waiting and making themselves heard. And the highest profile public protest that
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had occurred at that point had been a march in front of the captain's house in which protesters had
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carried large signs urging the castration of the lacrosse captains. Sick. That was Casey Johnson. God bless him.
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He's a professor in, I think it's Brooklyn College in CUNY, City University of New York. And he's been
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right on this all along too. He wrote a book about this. He's been on the show many times. You guys may
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know him. He's been doing great advocacy work on the Title IX revisions and what's happening to young
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men on college campuses. If you have a young man in your family who's going to college or has over the past
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20 years, you owe that man, Casey Johnson, a debt of gratitude because no one's done more than he has to try to
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get to right the ship when it comes to young men's rights on college campuses, their due process rights. And he
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also saw through this nonsense and was very good about talking about it. So that was him describing after the
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fact, you know, in a retrospective piece, what happened. Those professors immediately rushed to judgment.
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Unlike Brit or Dan, you know, who are familiar with whatever, these storied institutions,
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these professors who work there were so quick to crap all over it. Yes, Duke players suck. Yes,
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they're evil. They're disgusting. We totally believe it. And we're on board. And here is in part what
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they put in that group of 88 faculty member statement, thanking the campus demonstrators for
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distributing a wanted poster of the Duke lacrosse players calling for them to be castrated at their
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protest. Uh, their ad reads in part, this is a social disaster. No one is really talking about
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how to keep the young woman herself central to this conversation, regardless of the results of the
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police investigation. What is apparent every day now is the anger and fear of many students who know
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themselves to be objects of racism and sexism. Will they come forward now? I mean, truly,
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will they were the woman who was in that protest video speaking out on that bullhorn? Will they come
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forward and say again, I would like to be heard and I got it deeply wrong. And I'm very, very sorry.
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Very, very sorry. Because now the accuser has admitted what we knew, which is she lied and made
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the whole thing up. She made the whole thing up. The temperatures were rising in Durham and around
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these boys. The lacrosse season was shut down. The university was in the news every day. And Mike
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Knifong, the DA was briefed by the Durham police investigator who told him that there were a number
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of weaknesses in this case, including that Mangum, the accuser had made inconsistent statements to the
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cops and had changed her story several times. That there was another dancer named Kim Roberts present
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with her on the night in question at the party and that she disputed Mangum's story, saying that she
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did not see a rape occur and suggesting that the accuser wanted it to appear as if she had been
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attacked and saying that she, that, that the lacrosse players were disappointed in their strip tease
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and that some racial slurs were used, but then they left without any assault taking place that she saw
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or knew of or heard crystal Mangum complain of. Um, okay. Mike Knifong took that information
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and was not persuaded at all. It was pedal to the metal. And we played you some of his public
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statements about it. He told, um, MSNBC on March 31st, 2006, that somebody had an arm around her like this,
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which she then had to struggle with in order to be able to breathe. What? This is the level of detail
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he was going into in the public arena, knowing nothing. We would later find out he had never
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even spoken to crystal Mangum at this point. He's saying all this stuff. He'd never even spoken to
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her. What he'd spoken to who he'd spoken to were his detectives who were telling him there are massive
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problems with her case and her story is very inconsistent. And the woman who'd been with her,
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who said, don't believe crystal. Um, he told a reporter with rally news and observer, I'm not
00:27:16.480
going, uh, to let Durham's view in the minds of the world. You heard some of this, uh, be a bunch of
00:27:21.720
lacrosse players from Duke raping a black girl in Durham rush to judgment. Anyone the goal again to
00:27:29.160
achieve justice, not a conviction on, um, in early April between the 7th and the 10th, 2006, there was DNA
00:27:37.840
testing of the rape kit, which, uh, found DNA from up to four different males, not one of whom was a
00:27:46.500
Duke lacrosse member. And the day that happened, the initial report said it was up to five. The day
00:27:53.040
that happened, I broke that news on Sean Hannity's show that night in primetime. And it was a huge
00:28:01.160
development in the case that now they had the DNA test back. There was in fact, semen from multiple
00:28:09.140
men inside of the accuser. And not one of those men was named Reed Seligman, Dave Evans, or Colin
00:28:17.960
Finnerty, nor a player on the Duke lacrosse team at all. That is it folks. That's ball game. And I had it
00:28:28.120
dead to rights. I went out on the air that night and reported it. And it was huge news should have
00:28:36.220
been over. Nifang should have ended his case the next day. That's what happened. In fact, was April
00:28:43.320
11th. He comes out and says to the news media, it doesn't mean nothing happened. It just means
00:28:49.200
nothing was left behind. Okay. So she had sex with at least four men right around the time that she was
00:28:57.040
allegedly gang raped and the three now gang rapers who she wasn't able to identify in the first two
00:29:01.620
passes of the photo lineup, which was already biased, took time to put on condoms that they
00:29:06.260
just happened to have on their persons when they allegedly locked her in a bathroom, which by the
00:29:11.760
way, where she said she was raped orally, anally and vaginally and didn't get a mark on them. Not a,
00:29:17.800
not a fingernail mark on them, nothing. Um, and somehow managed to escape without leaving any DNA on her.
00:29:24.880
This is what we were dealing with. It was becoming more and more obvious. And yet, by the way,
00:29:29.060
the media held on. It's not like even at this point, the media was like, she's a liar. No,
00:29:33.060
they held on. If you go back and look at the reporting, they still, the New York times was
00:29:37.380
among the worst to cover this. Um, on April 17th, after that news, Nifang sought the indictments
00:29:46.560
against Finnerty and Seligman for first degree rape, first degree sex offense and kidnapping.
00:29:51.840
And within a month he indicted Dave Evans for the same unbelief. After all I just said, this was
00:30:00.060
mind blowing, but the media was not reporting these details. And most in the public was not aware
00:30:08.820
of these exonerating details. Dave Evans at the indictment, the team captain came out,
00:30:16.180
made a brief statement. He hadn't spoken to any of the media that none of them had.
00:30:19.680
I was there. And the part I remember the best, I don't think we have it in the soundbite,
00:30:24.440
but was he looked at us and said, I am innocent. You have all been told some fantastic lies.
00:30:34.540
Watch. These allegations are lies fabricated and fabricated and they will be proven wrong.
00:30:43.320
It was as clear a statement of innocence as you could get. It was not, I will not be found guilty
00:30:51.040
or I deny these allegations or I would never, it was, I am innocent. These are lies and they'll be
00:31:01.500
proven untrue. And every word of that was correct. Still the media and this DA pushed forward.
00:31:12.200
May 18th, 2006, Nifong handed over discovery mirror materials to the defense, but they did not
00:31:18.920
include any underlying data or information about the DNA testing and analysis. Did not include any
00:31:27.160
documentation or information indicating the presence of DNA from multiple unidentified males
00:31:32.740
on the rape kit items. Did not provide statements of any witnesses taken during the investigation.
00:31:39.280
Nifong told the court, the state is not aware of any additional material or information, which may be
00:31:43.760
exculpatory, meaning tending to prove innocence. October 27th, 2006, lawyers for the defendants
00:31:50.500
finally determined that they were not given the results of the DNA tests. And in December,
00:31:59.000
Nifong finally interviewed Crystal Mangum. December, this case started the previous March.
00:32:06.440
We're coming up on a year now. When he finally did, he discovered that her story had changed.
00:32:11.080
She was unable now to say whether she'd been raped at all. Did he drop the case? No, no.
00:32:17.640
Let me give you a feeling of what else was happening. I was still down there, up and down
00:32:22.880
between DC and Durham. And we figured out, thanks to our visit to these strip clubs,
00:32:29.440
where Crystal Mangum lived. And so my team and I, the three of us, drove over there. It was in
00:32:35.260
a not great neighborhood. We were a little scared. And a police officer actually stopped us when we got
00:32:42.460
almost into the neighborhood and said, what are you doing? And we said, looking for the accuser in
00:32:48.220
the Duke case. And he said, don't go in this neighborhood. And he said, it's not safe. But we
00:32:54.020
did because we were chasing the story. What we knew is that she had a boyfriend named Matt
00:32:59.400
and that she lived with him. So we expected that she was going to be in this home with Matt.
00:33:04.240
And we saw these serious looking dudes on the corner of this block. And then the next block
00:33:12.300
as we approached her house. And none of us wanted to mess with these dudes. And all I can remember is
00:33:16.400
my producer, my photog saying, hope that's not Matt. Hope that's not Matt. It was a crazy time.
00:33:26.660
So we get there. And the plan was I would go up and ring the doorbell and they would, you know,
00:33:33.740
shoot the scene so that if she came out, we'd at least have her on camera. We might get lucky and
00:33:38.040
get her to say something. And so I did ring the doorbell and rang the doorbell and rang the doorbell
00:33:43.600
and no one came to the door. And as I'm standing there ringing the doorbell, a car comes out from
00:33:48.120
behind the house that she's in and peels out and we can see it's her. So my guys are like, let's go.
00:33:56.660
So I run back into the van. It was like something out of a movie where we started moving before I
00:34:00.480
was actually fully in the van and we followed her and we don't know what to do. We're like,
00:34:05.420
we're not even sure if we should be doing this. We're not tabloid, but we do want to get,
00:34:09.560
you know, something with her on camera. And it would be great if we could actually have her speak into
00:34:14.180
the microphone, give us two lines, where's she going? That could be newsworthy, all of it.
00:34:19.700
And we followed her for a short time, but we didn't know if this was the right thing to do.
00:34:23.540
We were all very green. So we called back to the DC bureau and, uh, we said, we've got the accuser.
00:34:29.600
She's in our line of sight. She's in the car in front of us and we're following her. But what should
00:34:35.140
we do? What should we do? And the desk, the guy who answered at the desk said, stand by, I've got to
00:34:40.140
get Kim Hume involved. And, uh, so we're standing by as he asked Kim Hume what to do. And the feedback
00:34:46.040
was continue pursuit. I'm like, continue pursuit. So we continue pursuit and, uh, didn't quite know
00:34:54.280
where it was going to lead. Well, it stopped at a red light and we got out of the car and we had
00:35:00.520
the camera and we're going up to, to get her on tape. I mean, look, this woman was presumed by
00:35:07.800
everybody to be a rape victim, but she was not presumed to be a rape victim by us. We had serious
00:35:13.160
doubts about whether she was telling the truth. These guys' pictures were all over everywhere.
00:35:18.480
Their career as lacrosse players had already been brought to an unceremonious early end.
00:35:23.500
And we did not think she was off limits. And, uh, so we went up to get her on camera and she threw
00:35:29.600
herself on, on the passenger side of her car and covered her head. And we said, we're out of here.
00:35:35.740
That's too much for us. We're not going to do this anymore. And I think that was the right call.
00:35:42.200
And I don't, I think chasing her initially was the right call too. But at some point as a reporter,
00:35:46.920
your humanity kicks in and you say, let's do this, but we'll do it another way.
00:35:50.380
So we got back into the van and we took off and we were not able to find her again. And no one was.
00:35:57.340
Now I did track down her father who told me, and I reported this exclusively on Fox news at the time
00:36:02.200
that she was claiming she'd been sodomized by these boys with a broomstick,
00:36:08.640
which is just so absurd. You know, again, that the woman who was with her doesn't even remember
00:36:14.360
anything happening to her, but she was in a closet. So long in a bathroom, so long with these guys,
00:36:19.020
they were using other objects, but they had their condoms on so that no, see like just the notion
00:36:24.180
of it. And then it was dropped by another news outlet that she had accused other men of gang rape
00:36:30.360
when she was 18. And now you see a clear profile of this woman coming out, but still knife on pressed
00:36:38.220
forward. And still the press was derelict in its duty. Um, eventually we, the case was taken away
00:36:49.680
from like dive on. Eventually what we had was an attorney general step in and take over this case.
00:36:57.640
His name was Roy Cooper. Um, he eventually became governor of the state, but he held a press conference
00:37:07.460
in which he announced that he was dropping the charges against the three. They, they figured out
00:37:12.920
that knife on was a dishonest broker that he hadn't handed over required discovery to the defense,
00:37:17.820
including DNA results. And that this was an out of control, rogue prosecutor
00:37:21.960
and a miscarriage of justice. He stepped in and announced that these guys were not guilty and
00:37:29.720
he was dropping the charges. Here's a bit of that. The result of our review and investigation shows
00:37:36.720
clearly that there is insufficient evidence to proceed on any of the charges. Today we are filing notices
00:37:46.500
of dismissal for all charges against Reed Seligman, Colin Finnerty and David Evans. The result is that
00:37:57.540
these cases are over and no more criminal proceedings will occur. We believe that these cases were the
00:38:08.260
result of a tragic rush to accuse and a failure to verify serious allegations. Based on the significant
00:38:21.140
inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness,
00:38:27.380
we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges.
00:38:35.920
Guy got a chill. Just listening to that actually brings up like an emotion for me.
00:38:40.420
Um, they'd been put through hell. I remember Reed Seligman had receipts second by second for where he'd been
00:38:51.380
that night showing that he could not possibly have committed this crime. And she made a mistake
00:38:57.260
in picking him because like he really had an alibi. Still, they put him through this same hell
00:39:02.980
that they put the other two through and their parents absolutely batshit crazy over what was being done to
00:39:10.440
their boys. And yet no one giving them a fair shake, not the DA, not the media, no one, almost no one.
00:39:17.640
Um, that was an extraordinary day when finally someone of reason took over and Dave Evans spoke out
00:39:31.280
my parents, my sister, uh, Lord knows I've put them to hell and back. And, uh, their support is let me
00:39:40.560
remember and stay true to who I am in the face of tremendous scrutiny, speculation, and out
00:39:47.120
great, fantastic lies. I could never imagine what they've gone through. I was indicted the day
00:39:53.060
after my graduation. As difficult as that weekend was, finding out on Friday before I was indicted
00:39:58.160
on Monday, I reached a path in my life where I could take some time off. I still worked through it.
00:40:04.240
I didn't want to have idle hands. But these boys were ripped out of school. The team that they loved,
00:40:10.140
their friends, everything they'd ever worked for based on lies. It's painful to remember what we went
00:40:15.560
through in those first days. And it's just a testament to all of our character that we never
00:40:20.600
lashed out. We stood there strong. If you want to know what character it is, walk around your campus
00:40:25.900
and see signs and put your photo all over and wanted signs and have people in the media relating
00:40:30.740
you to Hitler and other terrible people from history when you've done nothing wrong. That is character.
00:40:36.640
Just sit there and take that as the young men of the Duke University wins across from the dead.
00:40:40.920
That innocent people can be charged of a crime. And it is up to the justice system
00:40:45.960
to determine guilt or innocence, not the news, not speculators, and not people with some other agenda.
00:40:55.060
Well said, Dave Evans. Just an example in class, fortitude, and character. He was given credit there
00:41:03.500
to his two co-defendants, but he deserves a lot as well. All of them do. And the men on the Duke
00:41:08.180
lacrosse team who nearly had their lives ruined as well, just by smears and reputation, adjacency.
00:41:17.020
Even after Nifong's claims fell apart, some on the left held on to the nonsense. Just one example.
00:41:23.620
Her name is Amanda Marcotte. She'd written for Slate, The Guardian, and other leading progressive
00:41:29.240
publications. She defended the hoax. She defended the baseless prosecution, even after the charges were
00:41:36.100
brought against Nifong. Because ultimately, I'll tell you what happened to him, but it wasn't good.
00:41:40.960
When he found himself on the defense, she was still standing by this bogus hoax. On her blog,
00:41:47.600
she wrote, people who defended the wrongly accused Duke students were rape-loving scum.
00:41:54.980
She complained about the charges being thrown out, sarcastically asking,
00:41:59.580
can't a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up
00:42:04.640
about it? She is now the senior politics writer at Salon. The left doesn't throw you out for race
00:42:15.840
baiting and getting it so deeply wrong that you could easily be sued. They promote you. They celebrate
00:42:23.780
you. They have you write more articles like this one. She's author of, I guess it's a book,
00:42:30.820
Troll Nation, How the Right Became Trump Worshipping Monsters, Set on Rat-Fucking Liberals,
00:42:36.840
America, and Truth Itself. That's lovely. That's our left-wing blog, Salon. Nice. Good for you. Must be
00:42:42.900
very proud. Mike Nyfong did find himself on the receiving end of charges. Crystal Mangum, no. The
00:42:52.820
attorney general said he would not be charging her, even though he clearly could have, because of her
00:42:58.180
mental state. They believed she was nuts, so they didn't charge her. It was very controversial at the
00:43:04.460
time, but they didn't think that was the way to go. They did, however, seek to disbar Mike Nyfong,
00:43:12.740
which was easy. He was disgraced and disbarred, and then they went after him criminally, and he wound up
00:43:21.480
having to spend a day in jail, which was symbolic, just to say to the public, he's the villain, which,
00:43:29.200
yeah, he is. It's clear. He did, ultimately, after losing his entire career, never mind his
00:43:38.700
reputation, come out and apologize. It was during his disbarment hearing when he was struggling to
00:43:45.800
save his law license. Here's some of that. My actions have caused pain to the Finities and the
00:43:55.920
Senators and the Evans. I apologize to the extent that my actions have brought disrespect and disrepute
00:44:17.540
It didn't work. Lost his law license. Spent a day in jail for contempt of court. That's what he was
00:44:24.200
being punished for, and has never recovered since. He's still disgraced and a walking example of what
00:44:34.180
happens when a rogue prosecutor misunderstands his role in the system, a lesson many prosecutors out
00:44:41.140
there today could stand to benefit from learning, wish they'd pay attention. As for Crystal Mangum,
00:44:49.000
things did not go well for her after this case fell apart. She came out in 2008, so not long after the
00:45:00.560
case was dismissed, April of 2007, and she wrote a book, and in her book, she reasserted her claims.
00:45:10.320
She reasserted them. Take a listen to her here from 2008.
00:45:14.940
No one deserves to be sexually assaulted, regardless of their profession or regardless of what they have
00:45:30.180
I'm not just an exotic dancer. I'm not just someone who tried to frame someone who was innocent of sexual
00:45:38.460
assault. My only intentions were for justice, and I wanted justice for myself.
00:45:50.060
Still a liar. She was threatened with a defamation suit by one of the boys' families at that time.
00:45:55.080
She was doubling down, just not admitting it. Okay, so we're still supposed to go with mental state.
00:45:59.540
Got it. Supposed to still feel sorry for her. Don't. And that was 2008. And then,
00:46:05.880
you know what happened? In 2013, she went to prison for second-degree murder of her boyfriend.
00:46:16.300
I don't know if it was Matt. Hope that's not Matt. I don't, I'm not sure. She went to jail for second-degree
00:46:24.960
murder. And when she was found guilty, newsbusters reported at the time that they keep an eye on left
00:46:34.520
wing bias. There were no Duke accuser updates at ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS, USA Today, or the Washington
00:46:42.640
Post. New York Times had a tiny little column on it. Turns out she's a murderer in addition to being
00:46:51.080
a false rape accuser. Eh, eh, not worth an update. Eh, why step on our old narrative? We already took a
00:46:59.720
black eye on it. No reason to make it two. And then, this week, we get this extraordinary piece
00:47:08.460
of tape from a little old show no one's ever heard of called Let's Talk with Cat, spelled with a K,
00:47:15.780
in an interview that happened at the North Carolina Correctional Institution for Women. And
00:47:22.540
finally, finally, almost 19 years after this happened, Crystal Mangum tells the truth that she
00:47:34.500
made this whole thing up and addresses the young men specifically. Listen.
00:47:41.860
Do you have any regrets? I don't have any regrets. Everything happens to get everybody to the point
00:47:51.440
where they are. Correct. And it's all to show God's love and His forgiveness, His grace, and His mercy.
00:48:00.920
Thank you. Thank you. It's all to show His glory. I'm a living witness of God's forgiveness.
00:48:13.500
That night, my Reed Seligman, Colin Bennerty, and Dave Evans, they took me into their home,
00:48:34.840
and they trusted. The Bible says that you shouldn't do harm to your neighbor that lives trustingly beside
00:48:43.080
you. And they were my brothers, and they trusted me that I wouldn't betray their trust. And
00:48:53.020
I testified falsely against them by saying that they raped me when they didn't, and that was wrong.
00:49:02.720
And I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people who believed in me and made up a story that wasn't true
00:49:18.040
because I wanted validation from people and not from God. And that was wrong when God already loved me
00:49:26.560
for who I was. Regardless, I didn't need to seek validation from him because I already had validation from him.
00:49:36.560
I just didn't know it. And I hurt my brothers. And I hope that they can forgive me. And I want them to know that I love them. And they didn't deserve that. And I hope they can forgive me.
00:50:00.560
And that I hope that they can heal and trust God. And know that God loves them. And that God is loving them through me, letting them know that they're valuable.
00:50:57.560
We were dangerously close to her lies sending those three innocent, promising, amazing young men to prison for the vast majority of their lives.
00:51:11.560
I'm glad she acknowledged it. I'm glad she apologized. I don't know what it'll do.
00:51:18.560
She can no longer be prosecuted for lying under oath as she did because the statute of limitations has run on that claim.
00:51:24.560
But she's in prison for a long, long time, thanks to her second degree murder conviction.
00:51:33.560
They sued in a civil suit, Duke University, which was settled.
00:51:39.560
And reportedly, though we don't know, the university paid approximately $20 million to each claimant.
00:51:46.560
We reached out to them to see if they had any reaction to Crystal Mangum finally coming clean.
00:51:55.560
And we actually have an exclusive statement here from not Dave Evans, but his lawyer, Joe Cheshire, who represents him.
00:52:04.560
Quote, I'm extremely pleased that Crystal Mangum finally decided to tell the truth.
00:52:09.560
For those of us that were involved in the Duke Lacrosse case, there was never a question as to the innocence of these young men.
00:52:15.560
It was a travesty of justice caused by one prosecutor's corrupt effort to win an election at the expense of three innocent people.
00:52:22.560
Prosecutorial misconduct can have a devastating impact on the administration of justice by causing wrongful convictions of innocent people and must be carefully guarded against.
00:52:32.560
Although Miss Mangum's admission is long overdue, it does put the final layer of validation on the unequivocal innocence of these three fine men.
00:52:44.560
Colin Finnerty left Duke and enrolled at Loyola College in Maryland.
00:52:51.560
Dave Evans, who you heard there, had already graduated from Duke before he was officially charged, received an MBA from Wharton at the University of Pennsylvania in May of 2012.
00:53:01.560
Reed Seligman enrolled as a student at Brown University in that fall of 2007 and was an important part of Brown reaching the 2009 NCAA lacrosse tournament, as well as a number 10 national ranking.
00:53:16.560
I believe one of them went on, I think it was Seligman to law school, hoping to practice criminal defense.
00:53:25.560
I think one of them's in finance and I'm not sure what the third one's doing.
00:53:36.560
You know, taking that trauma and turning it around to actually save others from going through it is pretty noble.
00:53:41.560
All of this is just so upsetting and it's so deeply immoral and the press has learned nothing.
00:53:48.560
They're just as vile and disgusting and they do it over and over again.
00:53:52.560
And so do officials who have no business trying to lead the public into thinking there's guilt when there isn't.
00:53:58.560
Like Joe Biden when he was running for president saying Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist.
00:54:05.560
The irresponsible rhetoric from Barack Obama in in these cases, not to mention the entire leftist media whenever there is a black man on the wrong end of police in a violent confrontation.
00:54:22.560
Which is one of the reasons why Leslie Stahl should not have been so confused in that clip we showed you yesterday where she spoke to Peggy Noonan about why.
00:54:44.560
You doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on the same sins and we no longer trust you.
00:54:55.560
Look at the way they covered Donald Trump's four indictments.
00:54:58.560
Look at the rogue DA's who indicted those cases to begin with.
00:55:16.560
It's not just all about swagger and good for us when we talk about it.
00:55:24.560
It's because necessity is the mother of all invention and we needed an honest press and didn't have one.
00:55:36.560
Finally, I'm going to end with a nice story, a nice piece of this story.
00:55:43.560
I mentioned it's one of the this case is one of the reasons that I met my husband.
00:55:48.560
So flashback to 2006 when this is all unfolding.
00:55:57.560
My husband, Doug, who I mentioned, you went to Duke, saw me.
00:56:03.560
Then I was still using my first husband, the first husband, as you know, it ended amicably, but I still had Megan Kendall as my name.
00:56:10.560
Um, he saw Megan Kendall reporting on the Duke fake rape case from Durham, and he was interested in the case for obvious reasons.
00:56:19.560
I've gone there, not, not that far in the past and, uh, wanted to keep up to date on what was happening and like the reporting.
00:56:26.560
And as it turns out, like the reporter, a long story short, we were set up and I met him for a blind date.
00:56:39.560
And by September of 07, he proposed to me and we were married in March of 08.
00:56:46.560
And it's funny because one of our traditions is we go out once a year with our friends from New Jersey who we spend the summers with.
00:56:57.560
And time after time, we would see family members.
00:57:02.560
I've never actually met the three lacrosse players.
00:57:04.560
I've never met one of them, but I've met their dads.
00:57:08.560
I've met family members who will come up to me.
00:57:11.560
And it used to always happen at this one restaurant.
00:57:13.560
We'd go to in New York on this, this celebration.
00:57:21.560
I was not on the air every night saying they didn't do it.
00:57:23.560
You know, I wasn't allowed to do that back then.
00:57:25.560
Now I'm much more opinionated and able to share my opinion.
00:57:27.560
But back then I was a straight news reporter and I would never have shared my actual opinion.
00:57:34.560
And they were so grateful just for that, just for reporting the news honestly.
00:57:41.560
You know, I gave you the one example, but there were a lot of them in that case where we bonged in on Hannity with a Fox News alert and set the cable news world on fire with our reporting there.
00:57:53.560
And it's just a wrong, immoral thing where someone who's the target of those kinds of allegations has to be so deeply grateful for just honest coverage about the facts in their case.
00:58:05.560
Anyway, Doug and I lived happily ever after, at least so far, went on to have three wonderful kids who we adore.
00:58:17.560
I don't know personally where their lives took them.
00:58:21.560
You know, they were figure they were 20 when this happened to them 20 years ago.
00:58:25.560
So they're probably all married with kids of their own and careers.
00:58:28.560
And it would be great if they'd come and talk about the lessons that they've learned.
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They've given a couple of interviews, but I'd love to hear how this very negative experience has affected them positively, because I bet you there's a whole bunch of things in that lane.
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You know, that would help the people who feel sorry for themselves today because they got a bad test grade or because somebody snubbed them that they could learn from these guys who went through true adversity.
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You know, not exactly the way our soldiers do, but not not totally dissimilar from the way our soldiers do.
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They went through their own kind of hell and have been really great, fine, upstanding guys.
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I do believe there's something seriously wrong with her.
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But in the end, at least this week, she finally did the right thing.
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OK, before we sign off today, we did something really fun with the fellows from Ruthless the other day when they were here.
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We didn't air it because we wanted to save it for you guys this weekend.
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I will kick it off and tell you I was very, very torn because I love, love, love watching
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And the fun thing about this movie is she's basically a Martha Stewart type who writes
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like a home, you know, helper column in this popular magazine.
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She's a city girl living in Manhattan wearing furs.
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She's using this cook friend of hers to write all this stuff.
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And that's working out fine for her until the owner of the magazine, Alexander Yardley,
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which, by the way, is where I got my daughter's name.
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I always tell her you were named after a fat, bald, old man in Christmas in Connecticut.
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He gets this idea of trying to honor and celebrate this World War II hero who's just back from war
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And he wants his main writer to celebrate this guy at her Vermont farm by hosting him.
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And she, her editor, and this guy who does want to be her husband and happens to own a Vermont farm,
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talk her into a ruse where she pretends it's all happening and they have the guy come.
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And here's the scene in which they hatch the scheme.
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She told me what she was getting the kids for Christmas in.
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Of course, I know it's asking a lot, but I'm a pal in a jam.
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John, darling, it would only be for a few days.
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Oh, John, couldn't we so he won't lose his job?
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Elizabeth, I know I shall regret this for the rest of my life, but if it's what you want.
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May I have the honor of announcing to you the engagement of our dear Elizabeth, the Mr. John Sloan, a Prince of Goodfellows.
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And what I love about it, guys, is it's black and white.
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There are all these scenes in the snowy outdoors in a horse-drawn sleigh.
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And it's just the feeling, you know, that old-timey stuff like you're a lamb gives me when I watch this.
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And there's nothing funnier than, you know, when you've got a family and everything that goes wrong can go wrong.
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And it's just like life as a dad, as I've found it within a family when you're hosting Christmas, like something's going wrong.
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Nobody's walking out on this fun old-fashioned family Christmas.
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This is a full-blown four-alarm holiday emergency here.
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We're going to press on and we're going to have the hap, hap, happiest Christmas since Bing Crosby tap dance with Danny fucking K.
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And when Santa squeezes his fat white ass down that chimney night, he's going to find the jolliest bunch of assholes this side of the nuthouse.
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And it's just like so relatable to me, you know?
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It's like he has all these errors and like finally just lost it.
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So I don't know what yours is, Ashbrook, but my team knows.
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Let's get into it by them playing some of your favorite Christmas music or movie.
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No, no, I want an officer right out of a car when I shoot you when I get my rifle.
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Once again, you have Santa laying down the law.
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I've been watching it basically every year since the 80s.
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And one of the things everybody thinks that movie is about Ralphie who wants a Red Rider BB gun and he ultimately gets it at the end of the movie.
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And if you listen to Ralphie narrate as an older person, his memories of being a kid, some of the best moments are when his dad loses his mind on a broken furnace.
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He's mad at his neighbor's stupid dogs who come in and ruin everything in his house.
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What is Michael Duncan's favorite Christmas movie?
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So Vince Vaughn and Reese Witherspoon are sort of living like the childless millennial dream.
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Like every Christmas they like tell their families, oh, we're doing humanitarian relief
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We can't come over for the holidays and all that sort of stuff.
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They show up to the airport and there's a huge storm.
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And so local news is there to cover it, you know, all the flight cancellations and everything.
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And so all their families are watching them not be able to get on their flight.
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So now they finally have to travel to their families for Christmas.
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And both of their parents are divorced and they're sort of dysfunctional families
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That scene that you saw there was Vince Vaughn's mother who is now dating one of his buddies
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And so it's four Christmases of some of the most awkward family exchanges you could imagine.
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But the lesson in all of this is like the families could be totally, totally dysfunctional
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And so Reese Witherspoon and Vince Vaughn decide at the end to settle down, have a kid,
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But he is the funniest, funniest character in the entire movie.
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So right after that, Michael Corleone is Christmas shopping with Kay when he realizes his father's
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The whole idea is this rejection of people who pick die hard as their favorite Christmas
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Like that was a funny joke 10 years ago, but they cling on to it so strongly.
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I mean, very tenuous link there, but I'll take it.
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Do you have two minutes additional or do you guys got to run?
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I put it on and I just like wrap presents or do something like it's not something that
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I would always just be focused on every every minute of the movie.
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But the movie I really need you to watch if you haven't seen it.
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And it's so wonderful that I teed up the trailer because I really want you to see it,
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This is very strange because this isn't my house.
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How can you look at me like you haven't seen me every day for the last 13 years?
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Can't keep coming in and out of people's lives messing things up.
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Well, it's too late tonight to drag the past out into the light.
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And there's this one scene in there where he says to her, I want us to have a life that
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And they live in this small home in New Jersey.
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Their kids go to this public school that neither one is making any money.
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And she says what they have is amazing marriage.
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You know, it's like we get sucked into, you know, money or fame or some, some version of
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success that doesn't involve the real people who you surround yourself with, who you really
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You forget that it's like the genuine love between you and your partner, hopefully, like
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the feeling you have when you pick up your baby and smell his hair, you know, that, that
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is the stuff of envy, you know, and it's a perspective setter at the perfect time of year,
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When we get so materialistic about what matters.
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It's like the, the, the things that make you happiest in life aren't the acclaim or fame
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Like it's, it's family and kids and all of that sort of stuff.
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And it's easy to overlook all of those things, but around the holidays, when you're around
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Well, you could watch that or you could watch the shoot him up, kill him.
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It's really, it's a personal preference situation.
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