The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn Kelly's Questions For Trump and Debate Breakdown, and Kellie-Jay Keen on Protecting Women and Girls

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.380 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.420 It's debate night in America, the first and let's face it, likely only showdown

00:00:50.420 between former President Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris.

00:00:53.300 He wanted more. He said, I'll do yours on ABC and then you come over to Fox News and do one with me.

00:00:57.500 And she said no. She doesn't want to go in front of anyone who might even just be neutral or fair.

00:01:05.000 She wants to go with her home court advantage, which she will get at ABC.

00:01:08.540 I don't know how they will behave tonight, but I certainly know that they are in the tank for her

00:01:13.660 and against Trump. The Media Research Center just had that study that they released yesterday that we discussed

00:01:18.360 showing exactly that, that ABC, actually their World News Tonight program, is the most biased of all three of the

00:01:24.980 network news programs. I mean, so that tells you something.

00:01:28.180 Almost no positive stories about Trump. Almost all positive stories about Kamala Harris.

00:01:34.260 And that's what these moderators will be bringing to the fore.

00:01:37.920 It takes place in Philadelphia. The moderators are David Muir of World News Tonight and Lindsay Davis.

00:01:43.960 And the rules will match the June CNN debate after all the back and forth.

00:01:48.580 God, they were so annoying about it. Trump just said, let's stick with the rules.

00:01:52.260 Let's stick with ABC. All of this was pre-agreed.

00:01:54.360 And she tried to say, no, I want the mics on while the other person's speaking because she reportedly

00:01:59.620 thought that Trump wouldn't be able to control himself. And let's face it, she might have been

00:02:02.760 right. And that's why he was like, no, let's keep them off. Anyway, he won. He won. He wound up

00:02:08.120 winning. The mics will be off, at least supposedly, while the other person is speaking. No audience,

00:02:16.100 no opening statements. And we're off to the races. We've got Kelly J. Keene here later with me.

00:02:24.360 After we talk about the debate at SiriusXM headquarters, or at least SiriusXM Los Angeles

00:02:29.200 headquarters. And she's coming up next. There's a lot to discuss with her. God, she's amazing.

00:02:33.140 I've never met her in person before. She's such a force of nature. We're so lucky to have her

00:02:36.680 in this crazy gender ideology battle. But we're going to start with politics. And I'm just going

00:02:43.160 to talk to you directly about my thoughts on what to watch for at tonight's debate. And then I will give

00:02:47.300 you a list of questions I would be asking, that I would ask Donald Trump.

00:02:51.500 I just sketched it out this morning, literally over coffee. So it's not like a fully formed debate

00:02:57.460 question list. But I think it would be helpful. Team Trump should look at this before the debate

00:03:03.820 and consider what they would do with these questions. Because, look, you guys know what

00:03:08.180 to ask Kamala Harris. That would be something I could do. I could ad lib those debate questions.

00:03:12.600 It'd be super fun. But Trump's going to get it too. And there's some vulnerabilities on his side.

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00:04:37.220 So, the first thing I would say if Donald Trump asked for my debate prep thoughts, and

00:04:43.540 he hasn't, is just do not get off message. This is an opportunity to spread your message.

00:04:50.120 And it almost doesn't matter what the moderator asks or how Kamala Harris needles you. He did

00:04:55.860 a good job of this at that debate against Joe Biden on CNN in June. If you go back and

00:05:01.660 look, he was remarkably on message, especially for Trump, who tends to meander. Immigration,

00:05:06.100 immigration, immigration, inflation, inflation, inflation. It's easy. They both begin with

00:05:11.160 I. He can just keep saying them over and over and over. And there's a way, you know,

00:05:19.280 when I was at Jones Day, the law firm at which I practiced for many years, they gave us a

00:05:23.400 seminar when we were young lawyers on how to bridge, how to bridge away from any conversation

00:05:28.000 you don't want to be in. Because as a litigator standing in front of a judge, you need that

00:05:31.520 skill. And bridging is pretty easy if you just know how to do it. It's like, Megan,

00:05:38.060 how much do you weigh? Or this is a question no one wants to answer. No woman wants to answer.

00:05:42.760 You know, it's funny that you should ask me that because I was actually just on this scale

00:05:45.780 the other day. It was so bizarre. It showed you not only your weight, but it showed you

00:05:48.580 the weight of the person who had been on before you. And I thought to myself, who really wants

00:05:52.820 this? What are you going to have like something that reveals age next? And you know, speaking

00:05:56.520 of age, I was just at my niece's wedding and I just, I was there, I was thinking all about

00:06:01.840 the passage of time and age and just how, yes, with age comes wisdom, but also this recognition

00:06:08.280 that the next generation is rising, how important they are to one's legacy and one's experience

00:06:13.360 of meaning on this earth. And it was just such an amazing experience. So anyway, thanks for

00:06:18.900 asking. What's your question? Right? So then you move on. You can easily just get out of what

00:06:25.120 you've been asked and onto a topic you would like to discuss. If you just take the nugget,

00:06:30.440 don't reject the nugget. You're trying to make it look like you're answering, but then meander

00:06:34.700 your way over here. Now, if you have an effective moderator, they will say the question was, how

00:06:41.160 much do you weigh? Right? But here, let me tell you the truth of being a debate moderator.

00:06:46.820 Every follow-up question and pressing for an answer to your first question qualifies, comes

00:06:53.360 at the expense of another question. So you really, it's not like an interview where you

00:06:57.940 may have lots of time and you can drill down. Every issue you get to, every question has been

00:07:04.320 curated and vetted at a place like ABC in particular, but everywhere. And you are going to have to

00:07:11.320 sacrifice your later little darlings if you spend too much time on this one darling. And

00:07:17.480 so if you're a candidate, you'd be very wise on something you didn't much like to waste the

00:07:23.500 moderator's time, both because it gives you the chance to give your message and because you're

00:07:28.320 putting the moderator in a tough position. If he or she really wants to press you on it, they have to

00:07:32.880 make a real choice there. We went back and looked at the CNN debate in June and Debbie Murphy, correct

00:07:39.220 me if I'm wrong, but I think there were 16 questions, 17, 17 questions total, 10 follow-ups.

00:07:48.960 All right. But 17 like real questions that had been crafted total, not just to Trump, but to both of

00:07:56.300 them. Think about that. Only 17 questions. And the 10 follow-ups are basically just like you didn't answer

00:08:03.000 or what about this? Or the question was that, but that's not a lot of topics. That's not really a lot

00:08:08.940 to get through, which is the good news for Kamala Harris. So the point is the moderator can't spend

00:08:15.860 too much time on the one because now you're down to 16, now you're down to 15, right? Every additional

00:08:20.940 answer he gives while you're trying to pin him down comes at the expense of something else. And those

00:08:24.900 other questions are going to be important since you have so few topics that you can inject given the

00:08:28.900 short amount of time. I do think, so he should stay on message, immigration, inflation. I do think

00:08:35.260 he's crazy if he doesn't bring up schools. You know, we had Larry Elder on the program

00:08:38.540 yesterday talking about school choice. That might be a way in. But the insanity that's being shoved

00:08:43.160 down our children's throats at school from DEI, which now she's running from, her new website where

00:08:49.080 she unveils her policies, which I heard somebody say the other day looks like ChatGPT did it. It's

00:08:53.880 very empty, but it's not woke. You don't see DEI or race or gender or those buzzwords pretty much

00:09:01.360 anywhere on there. So she and the Democrats have gotten the message that this ideology is very

00:09:06.300 unpopular, including with Democrats. And she's running from it. So he should bring it up,

00:09:12.680 bring it up about school choice. Instead, they have to go to these schools controlled by unions

00:09:16.840 who want to shut down at the sniff of a nose. And on top of that, once our kids go there,

00:09:21.540 they get race essentialism shoved down their throat, separating the whites from the blacks in

00:09:25.940 some of these schools and telling eight-year-old boys that they might be girls if they like the color

00:09:30.860 purple. Hello. That happened in real life to me, my children. So he should use that window and he

00:09:38.880 should not let her run from her wokeism because like Biden, as soon as she gets in there, it's

00:09:43.200 going to come back to life. She's on camera saying we should all be woke, as woke as possible.

00:09:48.480 That's who she is. And he should raise it. He should raise crime and he should bring up the fact that

00:09:53.280 she was for defunding the police. She did fundraise for the BLM protesters who got arrested for breaking

00:09:59.980 the law and shoved that down her throat because we haven't heard much of that. Now that the country's

00:10:04.360 realized what folly it was, many of us knew at the time, but now that it's become mainstream to accept

00:10:09.660 how bizarre and off that was, she's running from it. Don't let her, right? Stay on it and hit the fact

00:10:17.600 that we didn't have any foreign wars under Trump. He calls himself the peace president. He recently

00:10:21.480 posted that. That's exactly right. Keep posting that. He's not the dangerous one. He's not the

00:10:26.380 extreme one. We didn't have Putin invade Ukraine. We didn't have Hamas unleash an attack on Israel

00:10:32.600 under President Trump. We didn't have a disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. That's a whole other field

00:10:36.960 of opportunity for him. He should welcome that. He should inject that as we just marked the

00:10:42.620 anniversary, the three-year anniversary of the disastrous withdrawal. Yes, he proposed a withdrawal,

00:10:47.380 but no one in the country believes Trump would have done it this way. And he

00:10:51.460 can even turn it around and say, let me tell you why I didn't do it in this way and what was

00:10:57.920 recommended to me and what I rejected. In any event, foreign policy is a strength for him. She

00:11:01.560 doesn't know anything about it. And we all know she's a know nothing. So I think those would be

00:11:05.880 the main areas like immigration, inflation slash economy. Crime, I think is good. DEI issues and

00:11:16.080 foreign policy. Those are all great issues for Trump, and he should lean into them and find a

00:11:21.800 way back to them. Abortion is going to be 100 percent. It will be raised. It'll be her best

00:11:26.600 issue because it is in the polls. I think the moderators will come at it from the left, even

00:11:33.260 though they shouldn't. To keep things interesting, they should come at it with her from the right.

00:11:37.160 Are you too extreme? At one point, is abortion too late? Would you support restrictions on the

00:11:44.580 third term? Make her say it's always between a woman and her doctor? Whatever. We'll see. The

00:11:49.380 smart debate comes at the conservative from either their left or if there's a more conservative

00:11:55.740 position than this guy is taking than from his right flank. And same thing for the Democratic

00:12:00.280 candidate. That's what they should do with her. She doesn't have a left flank that's more left than

00:12:05.260 she is. So you should come at her from where the reasonable middle is in America, and they are not

00:12:10.380 for abortion on demand all through the ninth month of pregnancy. In any event, Trump should not run

00:12:15.860 from abortion because he's going to he should not bridge away before answering it, because this is

00:12:21.020 an issue on which he's hurting and it's become the second most important issue to voters. So he does

00:12:26.400 need to deal with it and he's gotten to a good place. So he should lean into that good place and say,

00:12:31.440 my position is the federal government has nothing to do with this issue. That was the rectification

00:12:36.840 of Dobbs, that it pulled the federal government out of the issue and sent it back to the states,

00:12:42.340 the 50 experiments of the states like our Federalist founders envisioned. And now in the same way that we

00:12:48.900 have very different policies in California versus Mississippi, that's how it will be on this issue,

00:12:56.360 a state by state experiment. And indeed, if you live in a state and you're very pro-choice and they

00:13:01.860 lean more to a pro-life policy, that may not wind up being the state for you if this is your most

00:13:06.340 important issue. But abortion is not ever going to be banned in the United States. And certainly not

00:13:12.260 if I am president. I am telling you right now, if sent to my bill, if they send to my desk a federal

00:13:18.920 bill banning abortion, I will not sign it. I didn't appoint three Supreme Court justices

00:13:25.780 to overturn Roe saying this isn't a federal issue just to then try to make it one. That's not what I

00:13:32.720 believe. The feds have no business governing abortion. I don't think it's constitutional for

00:13:37.520 them to govern abortion. And I won't try to govern abortion when you put me back in the White House,

00:13:42.920 the same as I didn't when I was already there. And I think he can add there's only gonna be one

00:13:48.960 person on this stage who thinks it's appropriate to legislate this issue at the federal level.

00:13:52.700 And it is this woman over here who thinks she can take out her pen and create one rule that

00:13:57.860 deprives all 50 states of their right to weigh in on this. And she should be asked whether she

00:14:02.940 thinks that's appropriate to deprive the more pro-life states of their ability to regulate this thing

00:14:07.420 in a more aggressive way. Okay, so he should not run from abortion. He should answer.

00:14:12.920 Um, I feel like climate change is probably going to come up. And I, you know, it's just there's no

00:14:21.420 ground to be made there. I think he should pivot away to one of his issues. The two parties don't

00:14:25.960 see eye to eye on this. He should, if anything, pivot to energy and talk about his policies, you

00:14:31.080 know, drill, baby drill, and all that and shove it down her throat that she wanted to ban fracking.

00:14:35.280 Like that's kind of the way to handle that. Because there's no real, there's not really anybody on

00:14:39.940 the left to recruit other than the people whose jobs are going to be sacrificed, um, thanks to

00:14:44.600 Kamala Harris's policies. And the, the other main thing that he must do, he, that he must, must,

00:14:50.360 must do, and I'm sure he will, is to point out, you can't trust her. We don't know who she is.

00:14:58.180 She's a chameleon. She'll say anything to get elected. She has flip-flopped on so many major issues.

00:15:05.160 We've lost track of where she stands on the major issues in this race. She wanted to ban fracking,

00:15:12.020 but now says she doesn't. She wanted to decriminalize the border, but now says she

00:15:18.380 doesn't. She wanted to abolish ICE, but now I guess she doesn't. She wanted to ban plastic straws, but

00:15:24.600 now I guess she doesn't. She wanted to make it so that everybody in America loses their private

00:15:29.340 health insurance and has to go on a government plan. And now she says she doesn't. How many

00:15:35.740 things does she flip-flop on? She, she doesn't know who she is or worst case, she knows exactly

00:15:42.480 who she is and she's hiding it from you because she doesn't want you to know how far left she is.

00:15:49.440 She's a California progressive who has been acting as a California progressive from the time she got into

00:15:56.320 politics as DA, as AG, as Senator, and as VP. She's part of the Biden-Harris administration and

00:16:04.680 they're as far left as they come. So she's, you can't trust her. As soon as she gets into office,

00:16:09.900 she's going to betray all of her promises and we don't know what we're electing. Like that just has

00:16:15.740 to be repeated over and over and over and over and over and over again. The comrade Kamala thing,

00:16:21.380 that's good. If he has an opportunity to drop that, I like it. As a, you know, her, the few

00:16:27.280 economic policies she's unveiled are, they are a little Marxist, true to her, her background and

00:16:34.800 her family with her Marxist dad. So that's fine. But other than that, I would not call names. Do not

00:16:42.600 get personal. It is possible that they will bring up, you know, you said she just became black.

00:16:47.980 Don't go there. I mean, he will. If asked about it, you shouldn't ask, act like you're ashamed that

00:16:53.020 you said it. He knows that. But I wouldn't bring it up if I were Trump. Just stay on policy. And if

00:16:58.600 anything, don't say much. Like let the wave pass because right now he's doing well in the polls

00:17:05.760 and her momentum has stalled. Her honeymoon period is over. They're right about that. The New York Times

00:17:12.640 Siena poll showed it. The blooms come off the row, the rows. She's increased her numbers with

00:17:18.400 these core Democratic constituencies enough that she's doing better. And now it's tight, tight,

00:17:23.160 tight, tight. But not so much that she's where a normal Democrat would be with them or that she's

00:17:29.680 polling away with the race. Right. Biden at this point in 2020 was nine points ahead of Trump.

00:17:35.020 Now, according to that New York Times, that same poll, Trump's up one, which is a statistical tie.

00:17:39.940 But still, he's up one. And he was down nine this time four years ago. So this is bad news for her

00:17:46.480 and good news for him. And he shouldn't be looking for a game changer this this evening. She should.

00:17:54.080 He should not. Under any circumstances, let her rattle him under any circumstances. He's pretty good about

00:18:01.440 not letting that happen. Hillary Clinton gave an interview to The New York Times where she claimed

00:18:07.420 she rattled him when she said he was Putin's puppet. We pulled the sot. Let's look at it.

00:18:14.840 Look, from everything I see has no respect for this person.

00:18:21.360 Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States.

00:18:25.300 And it's pretty clear. It's pretty clear you won't admit that the Russians have engaged in cyber

00:18:32.020 attacks against the United States of America, that you encouraged espionage against our people,

00:18:39.380 that you are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, rake up NATO, do whatever he

00:18:47.180 wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this

00:18:56.240 race. So I guess no puppet, no puppet. I don't think that was a Trump meltdown at all, as she's

00:19:03.700 suggesting. I think that's Trump, the marketing and messaging master, trying to get something into

00:19:10.100 our heads if this soundbite gets played. Like, it was a perfect phone call. No puppet. No puppet.

00:19:18.140 That's Trump. I think she's just giving herself unnecessary points. If she did so well in these

00:19:23.020 debates, why did she lose? Why aren't we calling her Madam President? So yeah, I think it's going to

00:19:30.200 be tough to really rattle him. I mean, as somebody who's asked Trump not just that first question you

00:19:34.720 guys know about, but many very hard debate questions. I've sat across from him a few times

00:19:39.120 now, including on a presidential debate stage. He's tough to rattle. He doesn't, he actually

00:19:43.840 doesn't rattle easily. And so I think, like, Trump would do well to not let her do it because that

00:19:50.660 seems to be her whole game plan, as reported by the New York Times. Get under his skin. Bring out his

00:19:56.020 worst self. Because what they're hoping is that they'll have a moment like, speaking of Hillary Clinton,

00:20:02.920 the Rick Lazio versus Hillary Clinton debate, when they were both running for Senate in the state

00:20:09.020 of New York to be a U.S. Senator. And he made a mistake of bringing a pledge over to her, asking

00:20:13.900 her to sign it. And it looked bullying. Watch. And I'm happy to abide by anything that we all agree

00:20:20.760 on. But let's get it done now. Let's not get any more wiggle room. Ms. Clinton, you want to respond?

00:20:25.400 Well, yes, I certainly do. You know, I admire that. That was a wonderful performance.

00:20:31.740 And you did it very well. I'm not asking you to admire it. I'm asking you to sign it. Well,

00:20:36.080 I would be happy to. When you give me the signed letters, would you give me? Oh, God. Well,

00:20:41.260 we'll shake. We'll shake on this. She walked over. She shook her hand. It's almost like she got

00:20:47.680 closer. I'm for it. I haven't done it. You've been violating it. Why don't you stand up and do

00:20:52.060 something, do something important for America? While America is looking at New York, why don't

00:20:56.200 you show some leadership? That was dumb. That was just a stupid thing to do. Rick Lazio,

00:21:00.960 I'm sure he knows that now. Trump's not dumb, and he won't do that. But he does have to factor in

00:21:07.000 the female factor. He's done that up against Hillary. He did have the moment where he was kind

00:21:12.560 of like walking behind her during the 16 debate. Remember this? Look at this video.

00:21:18.020 She's talking. It's just video. It's not sound. And he kind of comes behind her. It does look a

00:21:29.980 little odd, right? Because it's a town hall format. So he's kind of trying to stay in frame. I don't,

00:21:37.200 I wouldn't recommend this, but it's not a town hall format. So he doesn't need to worry. My point is

00:21:42.540 simply beware, be aware of the dynamic that one is a six foot four broad shouldered man and one is a

00:21:52.900 five foot two petite woman. So it doesn't behoove Trump to do anything, anything that could be

00:22:01.680 perceived as threatening or bullying at all. And worse yet, it would give her the chance to look

00:22:08.460 like a tough gal, right? Like if Hillary had been smart, she would have done what George Bush did

00:22:13.700 when Al Gore walked over and just looked at him quickly and shook his head, like acknowledged

00:22:18.160 him because it diminished Gore. That's what she should have done. But you don't want to give Kamala

00:22:23.780 the chance to diminish you and to look like the big person on stage. And you're just like this little

00:22:30.560 sort of wannabe pulling her pigtails. That's not a good move for Trump. There was a hidden danger

00:22:37.740 with Obama and Hillary that Trump should pay attention to and be careful of because Trump

00:22:44.240 does not respect Kamala Harris. He doesn't like Kamala Harris and he doesn't think she's smart.

00:22:49.140 He is not alone. But he can't show that exact dynamic on stage that his comments, you know,

00:22:56.520 on true social and in these random interviews, they don't really get circulated to all the moderates

00:23:01.340 in Wisconsin and Michigan. These women who are Republican voters who might be more leftist on

00:23:07.680 abortion issues or maybe just don't like Trump's personality. And there's no reason to front this

00:23:13.540 strain of your personality on the national debate stage. Here's what happened between Obama and

00:23:18.040 Hillary in SOT 7.

00:23:20.820 My question to you is simply this. What can you say to the voters of New Hampshire on this stage

00:23:25.300 tonight who see your resume and like it, but are hesitating on the likability issue where they seem

00:23:32.460 to like Barack Obama more? Well, that hurts my feelings. I'm sorry, Senator. That was a good answer.

00:23:41.360 He's very likable. I agree with that. I don't think I'm that bad. You're likable enough.

00:23:49.320 Thank you so much. That was a douchey answer. I don't like Hillary Clinton, but that was a douchebag

00:23:56.480 answer by Obama. And it was stupid. Stupid. You're likable enough. You want to look magnanimous.

00:24:04.320 You want to look like somebody people like. We all know you hate each other's guts.

00:24:08.420 This is a test of how will you perform in the national stage? And are you someone I want

00:24:13.760 representing me and the United States? He should have said she is likable. She is likable. This isn't

00:24:21.700 about how likable she is. It's about policies and we're different and mine are better. But if he had

00:24:27.180 been smart, he would have defended her against that charge. That's the real move. I mean, it's possible

00:24:33.620 that one of these ABC News anchors will say, Mr. Trump has called you unintelligent, stupid, blah,

00:24:40.080 blah, blah, blah, blah. They might pose that to her. And she'll probably give him the same old tired

00:24:45.120 routine. Next question. We saw her do that during the CNN debate. But if they then turn to him,

00:24:52.560 he can say something to the effect of, look, she's called me names that are not fit for broadcast

00:24:59.900 television. And so, yes, in the heat of the campaign, things can get spicy. But here's the

00:25:05.600 real reason you shouldn't vote for Kamala Harris. She wants to open the border. She wants the same

00:25:10.540 Joe Biden policies that got us 9 percent inflation that they're now celebrating is down to three. Yay.

00:25:15.920 Tell it to the people who are still paying twelve hundred dollars a month more than they used to,

00:25:18.940 whose gas prices have risen 50 percent, all that. OK, so that's the way that should go down. But if

00:25:24.540 anything, he should not insult her again personally. That and what I said is true. Campaign stuff is

00:25:30.860 campaign stuff on the presidential debate stage. There's a higher standard. I think he should live

00:25:35.820 up to it. Beware of Kamala Harris's verbal tics. I think he won't interrupt her the way he did

00:25:44.260 with Joe Biden during that first presidential debate between the two of them. Remember,

00:25:48.640 they only had two. You remember, you know, that joke with the kids like, knock, knock. Who's there?

00:25:54.840 Interrupting cow. Interrupting him. Moo. Right. That was Trump on debate number one against Joe Biden.

00:25:59.960 And remember this. Now, make sure you, in fact, let people know you're a senator. I'm not going to

00:26:08.740 answer the question. Why would you answer that question? Because the question is, the question is,

00:26:12.520 the question is, the question is. Will you shut up, man? I think this is so unprecedented.

00:26:18.760 We have ended this segment. It was annoying. It was annoying and it was held against him. He did not do

00:26:25.720 well in the polls shortly after that. And I think he learned his lesson because he behaved better

00:26:30.240 at the second debate. Now, here, as you know, by this point, is how she handled it in her debate with

00:26:37.220 a very polite, though appropriately interruptive, Mike Pence. I mean, it's a debate. So you're allowed

00:26:44.080 here and there to say, I don't think so. Or, yo, that's not right. That's appropriate debate behavior,

00:26:51.380 but not to Kamala Harris, who wants you to know when she's speaking.

00:26:58.000 Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking. I'm speaking. Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.

00:27:03.880 I'm speaking. It'd be important if you said the truth.

00:27:07.760 Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking. I'm speaking. Okay. If you don't mind letting me finish,

00:27:14.180 we can then have a conversation. Okay? Please. Okay.

00:27:16.840 I'm trying to answer, you know. American people deserve a straight answer.

00:27:20.320 I will not sit here and be lectured by the Vice President. I'm speaking.

00:27:23.920 Oh, my God. I'm about to. I will not be lectured by the Vice President.

00:27:31.440 Okay. Honestly, I hope she does that. I revise my position. He should bait her into saying that.

00:27:40.620 That she looks so annoying. She is so annoying. I'm speaking. I'm speaking. We all know what a

00:27:47.100 debate is supposed to look like. This is not our first rodeo. The American people have seen these

00:27:51.560 time and time again, and we understand how it's supposed to work. Now, if she had done that against

00:27:56.400 an interrupting cow version of Trump, like we saw versus Joe Biden, fine. But what Mike Pence was

00:28:03.040 doing there, she was just annoying. That was effing annoying. So I'm kind of on the fence. Like he,

00:28:08.460 if that happens, he should embrace it. He probably has a one-liner in response, but it's just,

00:28:13.420 that is annoying. The haughty. I'm speaking. The hair. I'm speaking. Here's another verbal tech,

00:28:21.040 not for nothing, that Kamala Harris has. I don't think she'd use it against Trump, but I've noticed

00:28:25.560 her doing it over the review we've been doing of her town halls and so on back in 2019. And then when

00:28:32.540 she became Joe Biden's running mate, listen to how she gets out of tricky questions that you know,

00:28:39.840 she knows the answer. Like she has a thought she wants to say, but even Kamala Harris realizes there

00:28:44.580 are some things that are too controversial. So watch this. The people who are convicted in prison,

00:28:51.940 like the Boston Marathon bomber on death row, people who are convicted of sexual assault,

00:28:56.420 they should be able to vote. I think we should have that conversation.

00:28:59.200 Elizabeth Warren is here, as you know. She's, she said that she supports student loan forgiveness

00:29:04.680 for 42 million Americans. Yeah. Would you go that far? Do you support that? Well, I support

00:29:09.000 anything that is about reducing the debt of student loans. And I think that's an important conversation

00:29:13.100 to have. I am interested in having that conversation. And I'm open to this conversation about extending

00:29:18.580 the number of people in the United States Supreme Court, about increasing the number of people in

00:29:22.960 the United States Supreme Court. Do you support financial reparations? I support that we study

00:29:27.140 then. We should study and see. Given that policies passed now will affect the younger generation for

00:29:31.700 years to come. Do you believe that Americans should have the right to vote at age 16? I'm really

00:29:36.860 interested in having that conversation. I have to tell you that. Interesting, right? I'm so interested

00:29:42.660 in having that conversation, really interested in having that conversation. It's actually a very

00:29:47.240 effective way to say yes, but I can't say it up here because I'm running for office. And some of that

00:29:53.680 stuff has been used against her already in campaign ads. But that's her placeholder for

00:29:58.360 yes, but I can't. And so Trump should pay attention to that and he should exploit it. He should be

00:30:04.700 ready. His advisors should 100 percent be prepping him on. I think we should have a conversation and

00:30:09.540 he should say that means yes. That means yes. But she doesn't have the stones to be honest with you

00:30:14.220 about it. Like I will. I'll tell you everything I feel. It's exactly where I stand on the issues as I

00:30:19.000 always have. You guys know I'm you know, my problem is I is not that I say too little. It's

00:30:23.900 that I say too much. But you don't have to wonder what you're getting with me with her. She's a

00:30:28.600 chameleon. She'll say anything to get elected and you can't trust her. That's what he should be doing.

00:30:34.940 Now, Trump has a gift and an advantage that she does not have. And if he can find any way of using

00:30:41.660 it, he should. And that is his sense of humor. One of the most devastating debate lines in American

00:30:47.940 history was in this particular moment. It was after he had been ripping on Jeb Bush for being

00:30:55.180 low energy to the point where it just stuck. Low energy, Jeb, low energy, you know, in the Trump

00:31:00.580 nickname way. And then they had another debate. And in SOT 19, here's what Trump did.

00:31:06.640 But I say this, I am not accepting any money from anybody. Nobody has control of me other than the

00:31:15.380 people of this country. I'm going to do the right thing. You got, according to what you said on one

00:31:21.080 of the talk shows, you got Hillary Clinton to go to your wedding because you gave her money.

00:31:26.360 Maybe it works for Hillary Clinton. It doesn't work for anybody on this stage. I was a businessman. I got

00:31:30.960 along with Clinton. I got along with everybody. That was my job, to get along with people. I didn't

00:31:34.920 want to, excuse me, one second. No, I didn't want to get more energy tonight. I like that.

00:31:41.180 That was amazing. And that is the official moment at which Doug Brunt started to look at Trump

00:31:47.740 differently because my husband, it was just so good. It was so funny. It was so quick. And it was

00:31:54.320 devastating to Jeb Bush, who is a good man, but did not win that race or even come close. He just

00:32:00.780 took him out. Trump took him out. And if he has an opportunity like that with her,

00:32:04.700 especially on the chameleon or the comrade, he should use it. Trump's got this ability. She

00:32:10.640 doesn't. It's advantage Trump. All right. Last but not least, here is my coffee list of the questions

00:32:18.580 I would ask Trump. And I don't know what he should be prepared for, at least in part. This is not my,

00:32:25.640 they're not properly formulated into debate language. This is actually how I start my debate questions.

00:32:30.780 I write down my thought on how I might ask it. And then I research it and I bolster it and I fact

00:32:35.600 check all of it and make sure it's good. But anyway, here's where I'd go. To Mr. Trump,

00:32:40.340 Joe Biden had a border bill endorsed by the Border Patrol and several conservative lawmakers,

00:32:45.040 and it was killed, allegedly, according to leadership, because you did not want to give

00:32:48.800 Biden a victory in an election year. Isn't this an example of what Kamala Harris claims is your focus

00:32:54.540 on what's good for you, not the U.S.? He's going to have to answer for that border bill. That's her number

00:32:59.860 one and really only answer other than, I was John Wayne bound at the border when I was attorney

00:33:05.580 general and I didn't let anybody cross them their border. No, that's what she wants us to believe

00:33:10.320 now. And she's like, I prosecuted all of the, no, the drug cartels. Yes. If they violated California's

00:33:15.460 murder laws, you prosecuted them, but not for crossing the border illegally. Her only real argument on the

00:33:21.100 border is that border bill that was killed. It was Mitch McConnell who said they did it because

00:33:26.400 Trump didn't want a victory for the other team in an election year. If you look at the bill,

00:33:30.560 it's a mess and it gives Joe Biden or the president the ability to remove all the reforms with a stroke

00:33:36.860 of his pen. But no one's telling you that on the Republican side because they haven't figured out how

00:33:41.740 to short form why they didn't like it. Donald Trump, you need a short form on why they didn't like it

00:33:49.980 and what it actually did because you will get hit on that. If not by the moderators, then by her.

00:33:55.580 And that's a good debate question. Here's another one. Mr. Trump, you think a six week ban on abortion

00:34:01.100 is too short a time for any woman seeking this procedure? He said that just last week. Most Americans

00:34:07.080 agree with you on this point. Why shouldn't voters elect a president who will work to ensure that it's

00:34:12.660 longer? Right? Like, Hey, we're all together. Six weeks is too short. Why shouldn't they pick her?

00:34:17.960 She's going to make sure we have six weeks and then, and then some, and that's basically your,

00:34:21.980 you know, your typical abortion answer. That's one where I don't think he's going to get into

00:34:25.280 the nitty gritty of six weeks. At least he probably shouldn't. And he should go back to

00:34:29.180 state by state. I was speaking to what I would vote for in my particular state, but this is a,

00:34:34.040 you know, we live in a federalist country. Um, there should be a question about Medicare and

00:34:37.900 social security because they're a hot mess and everybody's too chicken shit to tell us that

00:34:43.320 they're going to have to do something to it. He and she both. Uh, but I, maybe something like

00:34:49.140 Medicare and social security are facing bankruptcy in as little as 10 years. You say you won't touch

00:34:53.640 them, which is a good political message, but totally ignores the problem. How will you address

00:34:58.340 the catastrophic shortfalls they will face if nothing is done? I don't know what he's going to

00:35:03.360 say. We're going to generate so much, you know, income and GDP. Thanks to my policies that this

00:35:11.520 won't be in it. I don't know. It'd be interesting to hear. Mr. Trump, you've proposed a 10% tariff

00:35:15.920 on trade, potentially even across the board. You said tariffs lead to increased taxes, uh,

00:35:21.080 because the foreign country will pass the increased cost along to the consumers and or will impose

00:35:24.940 their own tariffs on goods. They on our goods, which American farmers and manufacturers must then

00:35:30.140 pay. How are Americans supposed to handle that kind of increased cost for families that are already

00:35:36.720 struggling? Uh, his tariff proposal is very controversial. This, the GOP of 20 years ago

00:35:42.880 would never have dreamed of this. They were fair trade, free trade. This is more fair trade.

00:35:48.440 It's been one of Trump's key economic proposals. I think he'll defend it. I think it's one of the

00:35:53.360 things he really does believe. And let's not forget he should go to China because he did impose some

00:35:58.000 tariffs on China. Everyone said the world would collapse so much so that Joe Biden has kept them all in

00:36:02.660 place. So that that's where I would go, but you might get asked. Um, this is more of an MK question

00:36:10.540 because I, I like to go to the place that hurts and I don't care if it doesn't make people like me,

00:36:15.220 as you know. Um, but I don't see David Muir doing this in any event. Here's, here it goes.

00:36:20.920 Mr. Trump voters do not much like you. Your approval number numbers have been and remain historically low.

00:36:26.580 Americans are worried you will govern based on personal grievance. What assurances can you give them

00:36:31.600 that you will not use the presidency as a score settling vehicle? I'd love to hear what he's

00:36:38.660 going to say. Wouldn't you like to hear answers to these questions? And this is just what I would

00:36:41.780 do to Trump. Can you imagine if I could ask my questions to Kamala Harris? That I'll give you

00:36:46.180 that list on another day. I just did Trump this morning. Uh, okay, here's another one. This one's

00:36:51.080 probably coming. Mr. Trump, virtually none of your cabinet, only four out of the 44 members

00:36:58.520 is voting for you. Mike Pence won't even endorse you. You're a vice president. Why shouldn't voters

00:37:05.280 follow the lead of those who have actually worked with you as president and are in the position to

00:37:10.920 know you best professionally? That's a good question. She just released an ad on that today.

00:37:18.180 91% of his cabinet is against him. Fair question. Good question. Tough question. Let's hear what Trump

00:37:25.220 says. Can't say they're all losers because he hired them. I think he's going to go with first

00:37:31.120 time in the swamp. I was advised by swamp monsters and rhinos, and this time I'll know better. We'll

00:37:36.860 see. Uh, okay. I would love this one. I actually think this one should be asked. I would 100% ask

00:37:43.900 this. I would say Mr. Trump, after all the denials, the lawsuits, January 6th, the impeachment, your

00:37:51.200 refusal to go to Mr. Biden's inauguration and more. You recently quietly on a podcast admitted that you

00:37:58.680 did lose the 2020 election quote by a whisker. Will you now admit before this audience that you lost

00:38:05.880 and that your earlier claims to the contrary were wrong? That's a great question. I love my question.

00:38:14.340 They should ask that question because Trump did say that the other day. And we saw some on the far

00:38:20.740 right lose their minds saying kind of what I said there, like, well, what was it all for? What was

00:38:27.220 all this, the things I just went through, what was it all for? If you admit you lost, there are many

00:38:33.120 Republicans who will not admit that to this day. And I like the way it would box Trump in to where,

00:38:38.220 like, he either have to say, yes, I lost. He's not going to say, yes, I, and I admit it all now.

00:38:45.520 But, or, or sort of puts him in the position of having to revive the stolen election claims,

00:38:51.540 which the moderate voters in the swing states don't like. So as a questioner, I like it. I like

00:38:56.640 it when it puts them in tricky spots that are hard to get out of. Why? Because I'm there to serve you

00:39:01.940 and to raise all their bullshit and then let them deal with it. And then you get to see how

00:39:06.500 they deal with it. But of course, unlike the moderators tonight, I would be doing that to

00:39:11.080 both sides. And I would have very tricky, tough, difficult questions for her too. My prediction

00:39:17.980 is the toughest questions will come for Trump. If they ask tough questions at all, they might go

00:39:23.940 the CNN route. The CNN route in June was, we've been told by our bosses to try to win back moderate

00:39:30.280 voters. We are just going to say, what will you do about social security? What will you do about

00:39:35.200 the border? What will you do about inflation? Those are the questions in June. It was a relatively

00:39:40.280 risk-free approach. It actually wound up being a hugely consequential debate because Joe Biden

00:39:45.560 couldn't even answer those. And everybody knows what happened with him. But I'm going to guess

00:39:50.660 that's kind of how tonight's debate will sound on ABC. Very generic, short, sweeping questions on the

00:40:00.300 issues as opposed to specific, tight, provocative questions, because they're going to be very worried

00:40:07.540 about negative feedback, given that this is probably the one and only presidential debate between these

00:40:12.620 two. All right, that's it. Don't forget, we're going to be bringing on Kelly J. Keene in just a minute

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00:41:37.120 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's show from SiriusXM in Los Angeles. I am so glad to

00:41:46.400 bring you my next guest. This is the first time we've met in person and we have a lot to get to.

00:41:50.820 Will Ferrell has a new documentary coming out about his old SNL writer friend. Sounds kind of

00:41:55.900 interesting, right? Two old pals talking about the life in the comedy world. Well, no. This is about his old

00:42:02.380 male friend, quote, becoming a woman, which is not possible to do. This, while prisons continue to

00:42:09.260 accommodate for, quote, trans inmates, putting them in with women, even guys who have raped women,

00:42:16.520 children, they're welcome. It goes on and on. So there's a lot to talk about. And we have an actual

00:42:21.040 adult human female here to do it. Kelly J. Keene is with us, aka the Parker, Posey Parker on X.

00:42:28.240 She's a global women's rights advocate who founded the Let Women Speak movement and now is the founder

00:42:34.040 of the political party, Party of Women. And she joins me now. I'm so happy to have you here in

00:42:40.300 person. Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm delighted. So what are you doing in LA?

00:42:45.320 Well, we're talking to different women who are thinking about helping us set up Party of Women in

00:42:50.880 the USA. What is Party of Women? So it's a political party trying to establish some really firm

00:42:58.080 foundations for women's rights globally. And it's because of the UK, like the US, we're just

00:43:04.520 locked in this really boring two-party system where nobody's really getting the voice that they deserve.

00:43:12.600 How are we going to win elections if it's just women? We need men.

00:43:15.920 Well, I sort of feel like what's happening now is happening to women. And it's the canary in the

00:43:23.480 coal mine. It's not the only thing, but I feel that if you can unmoor a society by saying that

00:43:30.340 women have penises and children can be born in the wrong body, I think all bets are off. And so it's

00:43:36.660 just about establishing that reality. And I think if you look across the world, there are many ways to

00:43:42.400 take rights away from society and access children. And women seem to be the first sort of group to

00:43:50.660 fall. And it's a world over. So I think it's needed. It's smart, right? Because if you can

00:43:56.340 amass political power, then they'll have to listen. Right now, it's too dispersed. And actually,

00:44:01.840 there was an interesting thing recently where, we should talk about this, but the male

00:44:08.640 blind or vision impaired runner who decided to run in the Paralympics against the women.

00:44:16.340 And it was totally outrageous. This guy went through male puberty and the whole bit.

00:44:20.440 But then you had people weighing in saying, that's not fair. J.K. Rowling. Martina weighs in.

00:44:25.900 And she's so annoying. I'm sorry, Kelly. She says that she's starting to say the right things on

00:44:31.160 the trans issue. But she's been all over the board because originally she came out saying the right

00:44:36.320 things, like men shouldn't be allowed to participate. Then she got all this blowback

00:44:39.280 and she tried to moderate her position. Then she came back to sanity and said, no, I was right the

00:44:44.000 first time. Now she's out there saying this is wrong. Oh, but by the way, don't blame Democrats.

00:44:49.180 This isn't about the Democrats. Well, who is it about? Because the Republicans, at least in today's

00:44:54.800 day and age, the conservatives are no longer voting for this nonsense and have been very outspoken

00:44:59.200 against it. She's got to protect her left flank.

00:45:02.440 Yes. I've had quite a few episodes with Martina where I do think she suffers from Trump derangement

00:45:11.700 syndrome, unfortunately, which then sort of blights other things that she says. And I just

00:45:17.420 wish, what I don't understand, Megan, is once you see this issue for what it is, how can you

00:45:23.020 not open your eyes about other things? And even if you end up thinking, I'm still right,

00:45:28.480 I'm still right about those other things and those beliefs that I've always had. At least

00:45:32.840 you have a moment where you examine them. And I don't think she has.

00:45:37.340 I don't get it. I'm still at the place where, and I understand people have got issues. They

00:45:42.120 have to pay their bills. They have to get their kids in school and all this stuff. But I feel

00:45:46.140 like setting my hair on fire and saying, they're mutilating healthy children. They're sterilizing.

00:45:53.800 And how is not everyone uniting to stop this? For me, there's no other issue that is this

00:46:00.380 important.

00:46:01.300 I totally agree. I just, you know, I keep saying to women in the UK, and we don't surgically alter

00:46:07.760 children in the UK, but I sort of say to them, how bad does it need to get? Like, what do you need,

00:46:14.020 what needs to happen in your life? Or what do you need to bear witness to that means that you'll

00:46:20.400 actually act? Because like you said, in this country, they literally are mutilating children.

00:46:26.140 And I've, I've been told about my language before. You shouldn't really say that because

00:46:29.840 it makes people, I'm like, look, I, this is not about making people who've had it done to them feel

00:46:35.460 worse. This is about raising the alarm to parents saying, for goodness sake, this is what, this is

00:46:42.020 the danger. This is what happens when you send your kids to school in certain schools, in certain

00:46:46.900 areas in the United States, they're being fed these lies. And then eventually what happens is

00:46:51.480 radical hysterectomies, children with severe mental health issues, and then physiological damage.

00:46:58.200 That's totally irreparable. It makes no sense.

00:47:01.400 You know, what's crazy is YouTube will, will get in trouble with YouTube for saying mutilate.

00:47:05.500 And we generally play within the, you know, bounds of YouTube's acceptable parameters, because

00:47:10.920 we want our message to get out as many people as possible. So I will let this air on SiriusXM.

00:47:16.600 And everywhere else, as was, and I will now retape the following line for YouTube.

00:47:22.080 They're cutting off the body parts of healthy children. They're chopping off penises and breasts

00:47:27.480 and, and cutting up vaginas. There we go. That, I guess YouTube likes that better. So there you go,

00:47:34.640 YouTube. Now we can air on YouTube as well. It's crazy, the, the language policing, but back to the

00:47:39.780 point, people are like, ah, that I, it's amazing to me in my country and yours. They're still like,

00:47:46.120 yeah, well, yeah. Well, I think there's, there's still this deeply held belief that if doctors

00:47:51.980 are doing it, then it must be okay because doctors wouldn't do that. And, but then those same people,

00:47:58.100 who's that sell out? John Stewart. Um, he did that whole thing about the opioid epidemic and how,

00:48:05.560 uh, drug companies were lying to people and being dishonest and knowing that it was going to cause

00:48:11.760 untold harm. And yet he still talks about, um, altering children's bodies, uh, under the guise

00:48:20.400 of transgenderism. And I just, I just, I guess I didn't know there were so many liars. That's what

00:48:27.260 I didn't know. It's so easy to ignore when you don't, you don't bother to look like up close and

00:48:32.820 personal and listen to somebody like Chloe Cole talk about what this system has done to her and

00:48:37.720 how it's ruined so much of her life and just pretend you're the good guy because you're, you're

00:48:42.400 the tolerant one. Um, I mean, tell it to the women who had to compete against this man in, in the

00:48:48.080 Paralympics, right. Who already have a disability to deal with. They don't need yet another challenge

00:48:52.500 like, Oh, there's a man who went through male puberty running against us. And yet that was

00:48:57.480 allowed because inclusion and the IOC and their crazy rules. You and I haven't even had a chance

00:49:02.420 to talk about the, the, the boxer at the Olympics, who I realized is not transgender, but is 100%

00:49:09.900 DSD. Yeah. And he was allowed to punch women over and over in the face.

00:49:14.180 Well, I think it's these, it's those instances that are more dangerous. I mean, the, the Italian

00:49:21.820 guy, I mean, is it ironic that he's, he claims to have, uh, he's partially sighted and then we're

00:49:29.280 all supposed to be a little bit blind to the fact that he's a man. It feels like there's too

00:49:32.980 many. Yeah. Um, so you, you've got that and then you've got the DSDs and really, if we just stuck to

00:49:40.840 the truth that men are men and women are women, and sometimes men have, have, uh, sexual reproductive

00:49:46.420 issues or DSDs. And that means that, um, they, that they're not the same as other men. If we could

00:49:54.700 just be honest that they're still men, then I think we'd just be in a better place all round,

00:49:59.900 but it's these difficult cases that then mean we totally turn everything upside down and, and end up

00:50:06.800 with just men competing as women. Yes. I know it happens time and time again. And everywhere you

00:50:13.220 go, you get lectured on tolerance and inclusion and so on. But I know even here at SiriusXM,

00:50:18.600 I, I, my assistant told me you remarked on it and I remarked on it too publicly that there's a gender,

00:50:23.580 like a gender neutral bathroom. Yeah. And, but you, when you come out of the gender neutral,

00:50:28.380 like toilet, you wash your hands with anybody who's in there. Yeah. I don't want to do that.

00:50:34.280 And you, you are one of the people who opened my eyes to the purpose of sex divided bathrooms to

00:50:41.500 begin with. There's a very good reason why we created them. Yeah, absolutely. Look, I, I stood

00:50:48.120 for election recently and I went into a school in Bristol, which is quite a big city and it's a state

00:50:53.900 school and it's for 11 to 18 year olds. And the toilets weren't just unisex, but they were open.

00:51:00.680 So if you went to the loo in one of the stalls, it's not beyond reason to think that somebody sat

00:51:09.260 outside the headmaster's office could hear you go to the toilet and then you could come out as an 11

00:51:15.120 year old girl and you could be in unison and walk to the sinks with an 18 year old man. And I just,

00:51:22.540 I just think has, have all the people in the school forgotten what it feels like to go to the

00:51:27.660 bathroom. Like even as a girl in a girls only toilet, there were certain things that I might

00:51:33.180 have to go and do in that toilet that I would gently, carefully unwrap any wrapper and I wouldn't

00:51:39.340 want anyone to hear it. It'd be totally embarrassing. And now we're expecting girls to, to just put up

00:51:45.340 with having no privacy or dignity whatsoever. And what we know in the UK is girls are now not going to

00:51:51.540 the toilet all day long and getting urinary tract infections because they are so embarrassed

00:51:56.660 by the fact that there are boys right next door. I believe it. I remember when I was that age,

00:52:02.320 I didn't want my boyfriend to know I even ate. I didn't, you know, nevermind share a bathroom stall

00:52:09.280 with him and share myself in that way. I mean, you know, we have right now a presidential candidate

00:52:15.760 running who's running mate has done more than any politician elected, at least on the national level

00:52:22.120 to try to bring all of this insanity into the law and into schools. And that's governor Tim Walz.

00:52:28.500 And now that he's caught, he's trying to say, Oh, I didn't do any of that. Oh, not him directly.

00:52:33.420 Cause he doesn't give interviews, but his surrogates trying to say like, Oh, well, when we mandated

00:52:37.680 tampons be in all, all the bathrooms and all the schools, including boys' bathrooms,

00:52:42.000 it shouldn't count against us because we only put them there if there's not a gender neutral

00:52:46.440 bathroom. And while we did mandate that courts can take custody of children from other states who

00:52:54.000 have parents who won't affirm them and give them quote, gender affirming care, you know, it's very,

00:52:59.980 it's very rare and it's really just compassionate. This stuff is truly radical. Kelly. Yeah. Oh yeah.

00:53:08.320 I mean, I, who's the, there's a chap in California when I was here a couple of years ago and he's the

00:53:15.220 one that's allowing men into women's prisons and making it. Gavin Newsom. Yeah. The governor of,

00:53:21.280 the governor of California. No, the one with the really little glasses. He's very tall. Oh,

00:53:25.200 is his name Scott? Yes. Oh, what's his name? My team will get it to me. Wiener. He's aptly named.

00:53:30.140 Wiener. He's the worst. Oh, he's disgusting. Yeah. And I followed him down the street and I was sort of

00:53:35.800 saying, you know, why, why are you putting men in women's prisons? And I think he's,

00:53:40.500 there isn't California sanctuary state. So kids can come here like parents who, whether the states

00:53:47.200 are saying no, they can bring them. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it's far, it's far left on the trans

00:53:51.560 thing, but no farther left than Minnesota, which is more in the heartland and is shockingly left on

00:53:58.040 these policies. Thanks to its leftist governor, who's now running to be our next vice president and

00:54:02.940 won't own it. You know, it's like, that's, what's crazy. At least Scott Wiener will own it.

00:54:06.720 He'll go out there and say, this is what I believe and I'm going to push it. And you know,

00:54:10.840 I realized I have no daughters, but screw you, screw you and your daughter. This guy walls,

00:54:16.100 what comes across is like, he's a vuncular and he's such a folksy down home Midwestern guy

00:54:21.880 who just wants the permission to chop your son's penis off. I mean, I guess there's,

00:54:27.000 there's gotta be money, right? There's gotta be money and power because nothing else makes sense.

00:54:31.080 Unless these people are genuinely evil, which I think money and power has the capability of

00:54:37.220 bringing that in. But, uh, to, to do it, like you say, to do it and I go, wait, let's castrate your

00:54:44.840 kids. Yeah, right. That's what they're talking about. It's incredible. So now mainstreamed is

00:54:51.240 Will Ferrell. And I'm so sad about this because who doesn't love Will Ferrell? He's a comedian.

00:54:57.180 He's spent his whole life trying to make us laugh and he's very good at it. Yeah. And so now on

00:55:04.180 Netflix, no less, I mean, there's very popular platform that all of our kids have access to

00:55:09.480 most of our kids. So he's releasing a movie of himself and his lifelong or at least 20 plus years

00:55:18.100 best friend whose name is Andrew, but now he's going by Harper because he's quote transitioned to

00:55:25.320 female. Again, that's impossible. It's not a thing. And here's a little, uh,

00:55:31.100 sought from the movie trailer. Let's watch it.

00:55:33.200 Hi there. I'm Will Ferrell, one of the greatest actors in the world. A long time ago, back when

00:55:41.620 I was at Saturday Night Live, I met a guy who was hired as a writer the same week I was hired.

00:55:46.540 He wrote a bunch of sketches for me and eventually became the head writer of SNL. And over the years,

00:55:52.920 he became one of my closest friends. And then one day I got this email. Hey, Will,

00:55:58.880 something I need you to know. I'll be transitioning to live as a woman.

00:56:07.160 I don't doubt that Will is my friend, but I'm not Andrew Stale anymore. It was just,

00:56:14.340 whoa. Yeah, it is a whoa. And so now this is going to be all over Amazon and celebrated as they do,

00:56:23.500 among other things, go to this man's high school and sit down with a bunch of young teenagers and

00:56:30.480 talk about, uh, you know, his alleged transition and how wonderful it is, including, um, their

00:56:37.360 gender affirming healthcare and so on. I don't know what they're going to discuss, but

00:56:41.880 is this appropriate for Netflix?

00:56:44.400 Is it a, possibly, I think it might, I think it actually might do more damage to the cause,

00:56:52.440 to be quite honest, Megan. I, I, I think, um, Will Ferrell's really good at pastiche. So maybe

00:56:58.900 this is just an extension of that. And I wonder if he's done something very wrong in the eyes of the,

00:57:04.680 uh, so-called trans community. And this is his punishment. Yeah. I just, I just wonder if he said

00:57:10.420 something off color and then they've said, you hate us, we're gonna, that often happens, doesn't

00:57:15.960 it? When some celebrity comes out because he's been very silent on this issue and it's very funny.

00:57:21.140 Like if I were a comedian, this would be the main topic of nearly everything I discussed because

00:57:26.600 it's preposterous and it's, it's so nuts that I think it's almost difficult to joke about. I've

00:57:33.300 tried to do jokes before about, um, and pastiche sort of pieces about what would I, if I were a mother

00:57:39.660 of a kid and I was trying to transition them and nothing you say can be too far because there

00:57:45.560 are women that have already said it. There's, there's people who've already done it. You've

00:57:48.980 talked about having a three-year-old who's trans. So I, I, I just, I wonder if Will, if Will

00:57:56.240 is in trouble somehow, but this man, what won't be discussed is how his wife felt about it, how

00:58:02.280 his children felt about it, the coercive control that often goes along with it, um, and all the

00:58:07.460 really dangerous stuff. But hopefully this will show up, this will show it up for what

00:58:11.840 it is, which is a, a really pernicious, uh, self-indulged, uh, self-indulgent, um, ideology.

00:58:18.820 Inadvertently show you me. Yeah. So here's a writeup from GQ. Uh, this Andrew, who now goes

00:58:23.520 by Harper, it was, is 63, said he was trans as of 2022 at age 61. And GQ writes that though

00:58:32.400 Steele, that's his last name, had known her. It's so confusing. Thank God you opened my eyes on

00:58:37.300 the trans, on the pronouns. I can't even do it now. I'm, I'm, in fact, I meant to mention to my

00:58:42.240 team, when you cut and paste these articles, please put the right pronoun in there because I

00:58:47.400 can't, my brain can't even process it anymore. Um, those Steele, this man, Steele, Andrew Steele

00:58:54.040 had known her transition was a long time coming. It was frequently interrupted by therapists

00:59:00.020 uninterested in guiding her to embrace that kind of change. She says, uh, it leads Farrell

00:59:07.320 to ask about breast surgery and whether she has struggled with body dysmorphia. Every time

00:59:12.240 I've done something for myself, it's been guns blazing, says Steele. Another day, she remembers

00:59:16.260 the depressive thoughts that made her scared to keep a gun in the house. After her transition

00:59:20.520 though, quote, all I wanted to do was live. She says, you know, what's so bad about this

00:59:27.140 is they're not, they're not going to trans or to discuss and out all of the trans kids

00:59:33.480 so-called who only had body dysmorphia or parents going through a divorce or who just didn't

00:59:40.700 enjoy puberty, who got swept into this cult and wound up suicidal or almost suicidal and

00:59:46.340 certainly did not feel all I want to do is live after they had their body parts cut off.

00:59:51.040 It's just so revisionist, isn't it? Because most of these men claim once they've watched

00:59:58.380 enough of persuasive content, should we call it, once they've watched enough of that and

01:00:04.280 they decide that they see themselves as a woman, which I don't even believe it. All this language

01:00:09.720 that they use, I don't believe that any man looks in the mirror when he grows his hair

01:00:13.440 or puts on a wig and genuinely sees a woman. I think what he's really doing is he wants you

01:00:18.200 to pretend you see a woman, but I don't think he thinks for a minute that you think you see

01:00:22.620 a woman and I don't think that he thinks he sees a woman. And so it's all manipulation

01:00:27.540 and sort of coercive control of everybody around him. And so I just think all of the language

01:00:36.260 around it is, it's just bogus and it's all meant for us to play the game and they know that

01:00:43.300 that's what the purpose is. So I don't think he, this idea about, I lived, he's, how can

01:00:51.340 I put it politely? He's aroused by the fact that he's convincing people to pretend they

01:00:56.520 see something that they don't.

01:00:57.780 Aroused by it.

01:00:58.740 I think so.

01:00:59.600 Well, I mean, there's, there's an overwhelming odds. There are overwhelming odds that that's

01:01:05.900 true, right? That he's an autogonophile who gets off on dressing like a woman.

01:01:09.760 And so often this does start with, oh, I'm just a cross dresser. You know, I just occasionally

01:01:15.240 like to put on women's clothes. And then, you know, within a year it's, I'm getting the

01:01:20.340 surgery, I'm taking all the hormones. All these women who married these guys, not knowing

01:01:24.540 this, wind up devastated. The children, totally devastated. We're going to talk about a case

01:01:29.960 like that that's in the news right now. But something you said reminded me of a new term

01:01:35.040 that's come out. Trans misogyny. Yeah. So that you and I would be considered trans misogynists

01:01:43.300 for not accepting that Andrew is Harper and a woman.

01:01:47.860 Yeah. Look, I'm happy. I'll go with uber trans misogynist if it means I can just speak

01:01:52.460 the truth. I just don't, I just, I just don't care anymore. I just think fine. Okay. I'm

01:01:58.440 like, it's a made up word. It makes absolutely no sense. It's a way to silence women. And we

01:02:03.800 are, we are both the most likely to go along with it, with this kind of, uh, insincere

01:02:09.680 empathy because I don't believe that women are really, uh, sort of have empathy for these

01:02:14.520 men either. I think it's, I think women are supposed to be exploited. Yeah. I think we're

01:02:18.840 supposed to be seen to be kind and seen to be, um, um, empathic, but I don't think we really

01:02:25.220 are. I just think that women think that they have to be seen to be doing it. Um, so yeah,

01:02:31.660 I've had a few epiphanies over the last year of actually no women aren't kind. We just have

01:02:36.580 to be seen to be kind. Um, but yeah, when it comes to trans misogyny, like what a, it's

01:02:43.920 just a big joke. Fine. Let them, let them call us trans misogynist. Yeah. Great. You're

01:02:48.440 still men. Right. You can't be. It's not, that is not a thing. No. Why is it so many white,

01:02:54.740 liberal, rich women pushing this nonsense on us? Well, like I, I think it's not kindness.

01:03:03.740 It's really not kindness, but like if you truly were, um, had empathy for other humans,

01:03:08.900 you wouldn't choose the 60 year old bloke in a dress over a 13 year old girl having privacy

01:03:14.780 and dignity in a toilet. But you would, if it paid off, you would pretend that you have

01:03:20.160 more empathy for that man if it gave you some sort of payoff. And the payoff is that people

01:03:24.980 then think that you are a kind person, whereas you're not a kind person. And I think we need

01:03:32.420 to sort of teach our daughters that actually you can be honest. You don't, you, you don't

01:03:38.020 really gain anything. You certainly don't gain any integrity or self worth by pretending that

01:03:43.840 you're, you see something or you believe in something that you really don't. And actually

01:03:48.260 if you just stand firm on what you believe eventually that will give you more self-respect

01:03:53.100 and that will also give you more respect from other people. So I think these, these white

01:03:58.860 rich women, I think that's, that's all about, look how lovely I am. It's sort of, um, it's

01:04:06.060 our currency that we, that's our currency to get by. And it's a, it's an easy trick. It's

01:04:12.940 a bit like the reverse of manners. Like I always say to my children, you can be awful people,

01:04:16.900 but if you say please and thank you, people don't know for a really long time. And I think

01:04:20.680 it's a little bit like that. So you can be a terrible woman, but if you pretend that you

01:04:24.680 just head tilt, feel so, so much compassion for these poor men who just have always known

01:04:31.100 they were women, then you, there's some payoff.

01:04:33.380 Yeah. Uh, I want to ask you about a friend of mine whose daughter is in her mid twenties

01:04:39.540 who, uh, recently spent some time living and working in San Francisco, then came back

01:04:45.140 to the East coast and the mom and daughter were having a debate about men using the women's

01:04:51.380 locker rooms at the gyms out there and so on. And the daughter had come to the belief

01:04:57.460 that, oh, you know, they get bullied and it's sad. And the mother was saying, think of how

01:05:04.240 uncomfortable they are making the women feel. And the daughter was saying, think of how uncomfortable

01:05:09.100 they feel. You know, it's so unfortunate for them that they deserve our empathy in these

01:05:14.400 situations. And I said, oh my God, this is a case for Kelly J. Keene. She's, she could

01:05:18.900 talk, she could talk to this girl and let her see what's really happening there. What, what

01:05:23.660 would you say to that young woman?

01:05:25.140 Well, first of all, if she wants evidence, I would say there's no evidence whatsoever that

01:05:28.700 men bully other men in men only spaces. That just is no, there's, there's no evidence for

01:05:34.580 that whatsoever. Um, now we know that boys, uh, do bully other boys for a variety of reasons,

01:05:40.920 but one of them isn't because they're dressing like females. Um, and I think it comes down

01:05:48.440 to the truth and I don't really care whether they're uncomfortable. You know, it's not my

01:05:54.140 problem. I like this. I don't, I just, I just don't care. I just think, you know, I look

01:05:59.900 at my, my daughter's very quiet. She's very opposite to me. And I know that she wouldn't

01:06:04.680 necessarily speak up if somebody was making her feel uncomfortable in her space. I would,

01:06:09.640 I would definitely speak up. I'd probably get myself in a lot of trouble, but I, I'm

01:06:13.720 very much, you know, I'm 50 years old. I'm very much like, no, no, we're not having it.

01:06:18.000 No, you just won't be doing that. Um, I am a, I'm a little girl who grew up in the,

01:06:22.600 in the time of Thatcher. So, um, we had good grounding, I think. Um, but I just think you

01:06:30.620 have to, you have to keep giving examples, real examples, because these things are often

01:06:34.620 academic. Oh, but think how they feel. And then I think you just have to say, okay, there's

01:06:38.980 two people that are going to go in the toilets or in the changing room. One is a 50 year old

01:06:43.280 man who genuinely believes he's a woman, which I don't think they do, but let's say we genuinely

01:06:48.220 heartbroken, can't go into the men's. And there's a, there's a 15 year old girl who feels

01:06:53.860 very shy and would feel very frightened. Who do you care about the most? Who gets to use

01:06:59.080 that space? And often people won't answer because they know that if they answer the 15

01:07:04.620 year old girl, they've totally betrayed their very fragile belief system that that man is

01:07:10.780 important and deserves to be in that space. And so I think you've just got to very calmly

01:07:15.560 just keep saying, you know, I agree, pretend you agree with everything, but just keep returning

01:07:20.400 to, but you know, who uses that space?

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01:08:20.760 details apply. This problem must come down eventually to one person ceding ground to the

01:08:31.280 other. I mean, there's no way you can both protect so-called trans rights and women's rights. You

01:08:36.300 just can't. So at some point you are going to have to establish a hierarchy of what you care about most.

01:08:42.100 Yes. And the protection of women has been an age old care for our country, for our world,

01:08:47.380 in most places, most civilized places to the point where it's been written into law. Yeah. Only now

01:08:53.220 have we decided to pretend that's not a thing, like with our Title IX revisions, just trying to stuff men

01:08:58.640 into the definition of women. Yeah. And those protections. And it's, it's caused massive problems

01:09:03.580 already. Although right now on Title IX here in the United States, we've had great rulings. The courts

01:09:08.700 so far have said, you're not doing that in all the states that have brought the challenge. And at the

01:09:14.360 moment, we're winning that battle. That the last bastion of reason has been the courts who say,

01:09:21.720 no, there is a way of knowing what a woman is. Yeah. Thank goodness. Thank goodness for those

01:09:25.960 calls because your political leaders are insane. Yeah. And getting more so by the day.

01:09:32.420 So it's, it's weird to watch from across, from across the pond. I mean, we're all, we're already

01:09:38.840 mad. I've been interviewed numerous times by the police for calling men, men. Oh, come on. Well,

01:09:44.200 I know because UK is crazy about that. They're crazy. Yeah. 2018, I was interviewed. What do you,

01:09:49.160 what do you say? Because it's true. Well, you don't say anything in the, in the interview because

01:09:54.840 the police will try and catch you out. So you take a lawyer and you have to say no comment and it's

01:09:59.360 under caution. And they say it's a voluntary interview, but if you don't come, they'll come

01:10:03.240 and arrest you and you can't leave the country or they'll arrest you at the border. So, um, I went

01:10:09.740 in, that was one. I had the police at my house, uh, because I was get ready untoward about what I

01:10:16.560 would call a pedophile, untoward about pedophiles. What? They came, they came to my house. They were,

01:10:21.960 they were there to protect the pedophiles and what's said about them? They said, and I said, well,

01:10:25.960 I think, you know, all the people you can be untoward about, I think that is a group that you can be

01:10:30.480 untoward. And he just said, I'm not here to argue. I mean, I think he misspoke, but yeah, I've, I've,

01:10:36.140 um, I also said that a girl really called herself trans because she was homophobic and she didn't

01:10:41.940 want to be a lesbian. And I was interviewed under caution about that. I mean, they came from the

01:10:46.860 opposite end of the country and spent the night in a hotel to interview me. It's crazy.

01:10:52.760 So you've managed to avoid arrest because you get a lawyer and you are represented when you have

01:10:57.680 these interviews, but this is just because of public statements you've made or statements on

01:11:01.960 the internet. Yeah. One of them was because I made a sarcastic comment that a woman who ran a charity

01:11:07.000 that promotes, uh, the transitioning children. I said that she was the children's champion. I held

01:11:13.940 up a photo and in the police interview, they were like, do you have lots of photos of this woman

01:11:18.560 around your house? Wow. I mean, it's like you're some creepy stalker. Yeah. And look, what will happen

01:11:24.420 with a lot of women who don't know their rights? And I know that I know my rights is they would

01:11:28.840 accept a caution. So then you would have, you end up with a criminal record or police will tell

01:11:33.300 you to get to plead guilty, which is what they've done to all the people recently been arrested in

01:11:37.740 the protests and some rioting that went on and they've not about the women issue, but not about

01:11:43.840 the women issue. No, but, but it is still about words. Same thing. Often it's about words. And so we

01:11:49.300 could be in a situation and we have been in the situation where if you so-called misgender

01:11:54.260 someone, um, you could end up in prison, right? We really are there. Do you know now here over

01:11:59.860 here, that's been written into title nine, right? That that's now going to be considered if, if it

01:12:03.880 gets rolling harassment, not to, not to use the right quote pronouns, the right, right. That would

01:12:08.980 be their view. And that now there's an EEOC rule mandating that employers do it. This will be struck

01:12:14.100 down as unconstitutional here in America. You cannot compel speech of the people. It is

01:12:19.020 unconstitutional to make me call a man, a woman. I won't do it. I dare anybody to arrest me or

01:12:23.860 assume it's not going to happen. Your law will be struck down as unconstitutional, especially with

01:12:28.380 the Supreme court, which is going to be on my side. Um, but things are very different. Like we're

01:12:34.820 starting to get crazy when it comes to free speech, but we're crazier than you guys are on the actual

01:12:41.320 procedures we're doing to the children. Yes. You got, why is it that, that, that England in particular has

01:12:46.540 seen the light faster than we have when it comes to, as you say, there's no surgical procedures for

01:12:52.400 the minors. And now they've said, we're not doing the, the, the medicine, the puberty blockers into

01:12:57.820 the cross sex hormones. And we still prescribe that stuff like it's candy. I think it comes down to

01:13:04.240 money and there's so much money in your health system. And then insurers don't, I've never really

01:13:09.300 understood why insurance companies are paying, but I guess it's cheaper for them to pay for the surgery

01:13:14.140 than be sued by not paying for the surgery. I don't know whether there's some sort of deal that

01:13:19.240 the medical companies do, but we have a single payer. We have like the NHS and these procedures

01:13:25.920 are very expensive and they're experimental. I mean, I, I, I won't go into too much gory detail,

01:13:32.000 but it was an American girl who had, um, what they euphemistically call bottom surgery, which

01:13:37.460 basically means she had a piece of her flesh fashioned into a penis. Um, you basically lose your

01:13:43.240 forearm. It gets cut down to the bone. Yeah. And then they end up with necrosis because then they

01:13:47.420 skin graft from the thigh onto the forearm. And they do that because the thigh is too hairy

01:13:52.120 to actually fashion into a penis, which is why they do these sort of multiple surgeries. But

01:13:57.580 she had 31 corrective surgeries. And one of them was to prevent her from urinating from an orifice that

01:14:05.740 you wouldn't normally urinate from. That's it. That's as polite as I can make it. But, uh, yeah,

01:14:11.520 there's, there's, there's so much money in it and we don't have as much money to spend on each

01:14:17.240 person in the UK. And we had a woman called Sue Evans who back in 2004, she raised the alarm about

01:14:24.580 even allowing children to go on puberty blockers. So we've had some really quite outstanding medics

01:14:31.380 that haven't been silenced. Uh, it took them a long time to, to actually make it into national

01:14:36.660 news. Um, and I'm really proud to say that I was part of that because we did a first do no harm.

01:14:42.160 We did a talk at the house of Lords back in 2019, uh, where we had medics, uh, talking about the

01:14:49.240 harm to children. So I think that's why, um, but I'm, I'm really looking forward to the, the massive

01:14:56.900 lawsuits. Yeah, me too. Me too. There's a great Texas law firm here in the United States, which is

01:15:01.900 starting them. They were formed for this very purpose. So that's great because that's one thing we

01:15:05.720 do listen to here is lawyers. God bless them. Um, I mean, it depends on the situation cause they can

01:15:11.360 be a force for evil, but in this particular, it's very good. Now, can you tell me what did you think

01:15:16.080 of in, in the UK, there was this big report called the Cass report. Yes. And this woman came out after

01:15:20.840 doing this comprehensive study of these so-called gender affirming care procedures for minors and

01:15:26.480 really said that there's just no proof that any of these is doing any good for children. And I felt

01:15:31.840 like probably people like you and I felt like she didn't go far enough. Yes. Uh, but it definitely

01:15:36.380 was pretty earth shattering for the proponents of this stuff. Yeah. So where do you stand on the

01:15:41.880 cast report and what kind of a difference has that made? Well, I, I certainly think, um, that people

01:15:46.700 refer to it a lot. So it's, it was a, we were in a better situation the day it was published than

01:15:52.200 we were the day before, but like you said, she didn't go far enough and she did use some of the

01:15:55.760 language, which I felt was really unnecessary. And, um, she should have had a little bit more

01:16:01.440 courage and I'm, I'm a bit tired of the slow process of academic and kind of review. We know

01:16:09.340 it's not, we know it's bogus. Um, I think it would have been for me, I'd rather see the evidence to say

01:16:16.780 why it was ever done in the first place, because there's, there's no, there's nothing good about any

01:16:22.040 of it. I mean, you don't have to be a medic to understand that blocking puberty, which is the

01:16:28.360 most significant developmental thing we do, including being born, uh, you know, a human

01:16:33.800 being, you change more in that sort of puberty than you do from nought to three. And to think

01:16:38.660 that you could do anything to stop it that isn't absolutely properly physiologically life-saving,

01:16:44.300 like, you know, if a child gets cancer, then you might, uh, disrupt their puberty. But aside from

01:16:50.700 that, I don't know how it was ever done. It just, it feels so odd. And perhaps I'm totally naive about

01:16:58.480 the way medicine works, but I thought normally you would have to prove again and again and again

01:17:04.560 that something was good before you could actually do it to kids, especially. So yeah, you know,

01:17:11.500 the cast report is good because I think it does, it does give people a point of reference, but like

01:17:17.120 you, I don't think it went far enough. And how about the outcome of tickle V giggle, a case we've

01:17:22.320 discussed on the show before with our Aussie friend who unfortunately wound up getting a ruling

01:17:27.380 and defending her all female website for apartment rentals and so on. And a trans person tried to

01:17:32.560 infiltrate and she said, no, she got sued. She lost. And now we have a legal declaration that what

01:17:39.600 is a woman? It's fuzzy. You can, you can switch. They've switched a lot. I mean, I think we knew that

01:17:44.680 already in Australia. I think this case just sort of proved it, but I think, I think they knew they

01:17:49.860 were going to lose. Um, and I, I think the app had accepted, um, others besides women as women on the

01:17:58.040 app. And then I, I don't quite know the ins and outs of it, but it was, it was most egregious. And

01:18:03.340 I hope that the publicity of that particular case, especially given the way the man looks,

01:18:09.760 um, I hope that it's, it's meant it's created a lot of conversations so that actually what's

01:18:15.900 happening in Australia, all you need to do is talk about it and maybe people, more people are

01:18:19.940 talking about it. Okay. So that's, that brings me back to practical advice. Yes. All you need to do

01:18:24.920 is talk about it. Yeah. So, you know, there's going to be, even on this show, cause now, you know,

01:18:28.480 I cover this issue a lot now, there are going to be a lot of people, male and female wondering

01:18:33.840 how exactly do I do that? Kelly? Like, how do I do that? When I hear that my school has a,

01:18:41.220 now they call it all belonging. They've gotten rid of DEI because they know it's controversial

01:18:45.160 and unpopular. So now they say under the auspices of belonging, we're going to discuss

01:18:49.380 race essentialism and trans ideology and explain to you how a man can become a woman, a boy can become

01:18:55.160 a girl. They may come into your spaces. They may come under your sports. And if you are an inclusive,

01:18:59.920 tolerant person, that's our policy at this school, then you will not object.

01:19:03.840 So what, forget the kids for now, what, what do the mom and the dad who want to be tolerant,

01:19:10.500 who may even be on the left, but agree with us, right? In principle, what do they do?

01:19:16.940 Well, I think you talk to your children about things before, before school does. Number one,

01:19:21.920 you have a totally different system in the U S where you have school board meetings. So I think you have

01:19:27.560 to go to every single one and especially dads. And I hate to say this as a woman, um, but apparently we

01:19:33.480 have voices as women have voices that sometimes people don't hear. It sounds like a squeaky,

01:19:39.080 high pitched and serious thing. Um, and I do tell dads, uh, in the UK, you go and talk to the school,

01:19:45.540 you go and ask about their policies. Um, and we have a right now in the UK to see everything's being

01:19:50.960 taught to our children. When it comes to the U S your school system's so troublesome. Um,

01:19:58.780 and the unions are very strong and it feels like you've got sort of 50% activists and 50% silent,

01:20:06.880 um, cowards in the school system. But I guess you just have to go every single parent. If you care

01:20:14.400 about this at all, it's no good just whining with each other at home or talking, just talking to your

01:20:19.900 children. I think you have to be visible again and again and again. Um, and you have to know that

01:20:26.860 this is serious because if say you, you were sending your kid to school and they were teaching

01:20:31.280 white, genuine white, white supremacist, um, uh, ideology and your child was coming home as a

01:20:37.400 racist, then you would, you would move heaven and earth to go and either take your kid out of school

01:20:43.540 or do whatever it is. Well, this is the same. This is teaching your children big fat lies. Um,

01:20:51.580 and, and also trying to segregate your children from you, which I think is more pernicious and

01:20:57.180 poisonous, um, than even the ideologies they're being taught. They're being taught that their family

01:21:02.420 is not the most important kind of unit that they belong to. And I think often teachers are

01:21:09.300 giving the impression, certainly on social media, that they think they know better about children than

01:21:15.000 us parents. And so I, I do think you have to just keep those bonds. Don't lose your kids

01:21:20.720 upstairs to the internet. That's right. Family meals have to be at a table all together and do

01:21:27.880 things as frequently as possible as a family, because it doesn't take very long for your child

01:21:33.920 just to lose themselves online. And there are people called egg hatchers, which are people with

01:21:39.040 transgender ideology who go fishing for kids. And so just be mindful like discord, Reddit, all of these

01:21:47.060 websites. Some of the games too, a friend of mine had her son was playing a normal video game that

01:21:52.620 you would, you know, I don't remember the name of it, but it was just, you know, it was like whatever

01:21:55.780 robots punching each other. And it wasn't a trans person, but it was an adult male who reached out

01:22:01.300 to her son and started to make direct contact. And he immediately was like, what's this about mom?

01:22:06.100 And she freaked out. But you do have to be careful even with the games, if there's any sort of a chat

01:22:11.040 function on there. 100%. I mean, if you, if you search up, if you search anorexia on YouTube or

01:22:17.000 bulimia, it will take you to a help page and it won't show you any results whatsoever. If you search

01:22:22.700 top surgery, which is double mastectomy, if you search that, it will give you millions of videos.

01:22:29.240 So these, these, these audiologies are everywhere. And if you're not aware, then you, you know, you

01:22:35.740 wouldn't, you wouldn't let your kid cross the road without teaching them how to cross.

01:22:39.880 It's contagious. It's a social contagion. So exposing your child over and over and over,

01:22:44.560 letting them get exposed for hours on end to this ideology makes it far more likely they're

01:22:48.360 going to sign onto it. So you have to intervene. All right. So let's just, let's spend a minute

01:22:52.140 talking about adults because this is trickier, right? Because I think generally the attitude

01:22:57.440 is certainly in America, I think in the UK too, it's like live and let live, you know, what you do is

01:23:02.500 none of my business. Keep it off my lawn. But you know, if you're a freak, that's your business,

01:23:07.040 right? Then you think about trans people. Now I let's, I don't mean to make it about Caitlyn

01:23:15.080 Jenner. Cause I actually really, we've talked about her in the past, but I, I really, I like

01:23:18.680 Caitlyn Jenner. I like Bruce Jenner. Like, and now I like Caitlyn Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner's all

01:23:22.560 over the internet fighting the same fights we are. Caitlyn Jenner is on our side. He's actually out

01:23:27.780 there advocating all the stuff you and I have been espousing when it comes to kids and sports and so on.

01:23:34.140 Um, and that I get, that's where I stop. And I think, I don't know quite what to do with this.

01:23:40.780 I don't know what quite what to do with my feelings about this because I want to be loving

01:23:47.740 towards Caitlyn. I have nothing but kind feelings toward Caitlyn. I think Caitlyn too will not hold

01:23:53.240 it against me that I'm using a he pronoun on him. And yet I do think if Caitlyn wanted to go into the

01:24:00.620 restroom with my daughter, I wouldn't want that. And I realized I had a guest come on here,

01:24:06.180 Katie Herzog and say, what if it was somebody who really looked like a woman who looked just like

01:24:11.180 a woman? Or what if it was a woman who really passed his mail, who looked totally butch with a

01:24:15.520 bunch of tats? Why couldn't she use your son's restroom? This person would, would be more at

01:24:20.380 home in a male restroom than in a female restroom to the pastor's by. It would make more sense.

01:24:25.100 And I don't, I just kind of fell back on, no, because one, we allow it for one. We allow it

01:24:32.680 for all. It's the camel's nose thing, but you take it.

01:24:37.240 Caitlyn Jenner, I, I think is, uh, that's a, that's a dangerous example because like you say,

01:24:44.220 he does say the right things, but he still is wearing us like a costume. And there are reasons

01:24:49.460 that he does that. And I don't think they're truly wholesome. Um, and I think he's also talked

01:24:53.700 about trying on his, his daughter's underwear when she wasn't there or stealing at her underwear. So

01:24:59.520 I have, um, probably more reservations about Caitlyn, but I do think if these men, if these men, um,

01:25:09.180 trampled on our rights and they were all like demonic, horrible, really savage looking men, then

01:25:15.140 we would all recognize the enemy, but it's the reasonable men that opened all the doors for the

01:25:22.100 unreasonable men. And we used to have a social contract and, and I, I probably think there might

01:25:28.180 have been men that used women's spaces before, very small number, and maybe they did go undetected

01:25:33.740 and nobody's worse off for it. Yeah. Good on you if you can fool me. Yeah. And I won't bother you

01:25:40.060 if you can fool me. Yeah. And that's fine. And, and maybe they used to, you know, go around and

01:25:44.080 call themselves Marjorie at the weekend and have a jolly good time. And, and, uh, everyone's okay with

01:25:49.520 that, but that isn't what we're living in now. We're living in the fact that the doors have been

01:25:53.700 opened and actually we can't even say that we don't like it without being called a bigot or

01:25:59.420 trans misogynists. Um, so I, I think Trump was let Caitlyn use women. He said in 16 that he would

01:26:08.320 let Caitlyn use the female bathrooms at Trump tower, but I mean, 16 is a while ago now on this issue.

01:26:13.640 Yeah. Let's hope he's changed his mind. Um, so yeah, I think, I just think they need to stay

01:26:20.020 out. And I, I think we, we need to return to the social contract that if you're a good man,

01:26:26.840 you're not going to put women in a position of having to tell you to get out of our spaces.

01:26:31.240 You're just not going to go in them. Um, and so when it personally comes to Caitlyn, he, he might be,

01:26:37.860 he might be totally respectful now. Maybe he's changed his mind. I hope he has. Well, what,

01:26:43.320 what take Caitlyn out of it? What, what would you do? I do think about this now because it's,

01:26:47.520 it's becoming so common. Like what would you do if a male posing as a female came into a bathroom that

01:26:54.020 you were using like at the airport? Well, it happened to me recently when I was in a bathroom

01:26:59.300 stall. Um, we were at the very classy, um, McDonald's just outside of Heathrow and, um,

01:27:05.440 and I was in the toilets and a man came in. Now I don't know how he was dressed,

01:27:10.680 but I could hear his voice. And all I did is just stop breathing. You do this thing where you

01:27:16.060 involuntary, you just, and you just wait and you're thinking, what's he doing? How long is he going to

01:27:21.460 take? Uh, have I heard his footsteps leave? So if I went in the toilet and it was just me

01:27:27.660 and there's a man at the sinks, I might just leave because I'm, I'm not going to put myself in a,

01:27:34.700 in a very dangerous, vulnerable position. If I went, if my daughter was in the stall and there

01:27:40.280 was a man stood at the sink, I would probably cause Mary hell and, and make a big fuss. And my

01:27:47.100 husband's relatively well built. So I'm probably just, but not in the women's bathroom. So that's

01:27:53.620 the scary thing. Cause I think about it. Like I, I feel the same. I would not allow my daughter to

01:27:58.120 be subjected to that willingly, but I also don't want to get shot in the face. And some of these people

01:28:02.180 are crazy and are on the internet saying that's exactly what will happen to us if we stand up for

01:28:07.540 our own private spaces. And you know, the law has no problem with that. They can threaten us all day

01:28:12.320 long and the, no one's going to call them and threaten them the way you got threatened for saying

01:28:15.560 what's real. No, but what used to happen is, is a man wouldn't do that because there was an assumption

01:28:21.520 that only a bad man would walk in. And I actually still think that's true. They've just managed to

01:28:27.320 convince people that actually it's their right to use our spaces. Yeah. Yes. Right. Oh, that's so

01:28:33.280 infuriating. Exactly. Right. The, um, case I mentioned earlier comes to mind because some of

01:28:39.980 these men are truly sick people and at all, I, I don't think they're all sick. I do think they all

01:28:46.540 have an issue for sure, but I mean, some are truly sick. And this guy I think is doing us a favor by

01:28:51.680 writing this book and making himself so public right now. He's from Canada. I don't know what

01:28:57.720 happened to Canada. Maybe it was too cold and it just didn't work out as an experiment. Um, but

01:29:03.300 there's so much trans insanity in Canada. It's, it might be the worst of all. I think it is. Maybe

01:29:09.260 Ireland's getting crazy too, but anyway. Um, so this is from Redux, which is a great job as you know,

01:29:14.900 writing about our issues. And, uh, the headline is Oh Canada. Okay. Father of seven lives life

01:29:20.180 as a six year old girl, six year old girl, a Canadian man in his sixties who abandoned his

01:29:28.060 wife and children to live as a six year old girl is currently promoting his memoir about his

01:29:34.680 transition. Uh, Stephanie, I guess it's Stephanie, uh, Walsh, whose actual name is Paul is a father

01:29:44.040 to seven children, was married to his wife for 23 years before claiming to be trans in Oh nine.

01:29:49.200 According to his website, um, it's, it's a gripping memoir that recounts the turbulent journey of his

01:29:55.800 life. And he published this in June. The hardcover version retails, uh, for over 50 bucks on Amazon.

01:30:03.640 It's also been stocked at Barnes and Noble. Now here's the crazy thing. These are the like Amazon

01:30:08.000 has suppressed how many books when Harry becomes salary, Sally, they suppress that book, which was

01:30:14.840 taking a look at this issue from the other side. Uh, Abigail Schreier's irreversible damage got all

01:30:20.100 sorts of blowback from the Amazon employees who didn't want that published, which was such a sober

01:30:24.540 journalistic, you know, approach to this. But this guy's memoir about running out on his wife and his

01:30:31.520 seven children and not only transitioning so-called to female, but becoming a little girl who now he says

01:30:38.840 he's been adopted. He's been adopted by an older man and woman. And he's living as, as now an eight

01:30:46.280 year old girl in the custody of quote, his mommy and daddy who are totally comfortable with me being

01:30:53.460 a little girl. He says this person guaranteed is all over the internet weighing in on these debates,

01:31:02.460 getting you in trouble, getting people like me to get censored on YouTube. Yeah. Right. This is

01:31:09.140 in so many instances who's behind this movement. Yeah. Fetishists. It's sick. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

01:31:17.620 they're all over the movement. I mean, his book will be everywhere. He's a particularly egregious

01:31:22.660 example that you will think will peak people, but apparently still not. And Canada is really insane.

01:31:31.180 I think there's, there's a Venn diagram of overlap of people that are completely adherent to

01:31:36.480 the COVID mandates and then going against working classes. So you've got the trucker protest that was

01:31:42.780 in Canada and freezing people's assets. And it's all about, they do seem to be controlled

01:31:48.240 populations go along with this more than, than free thinking populations. And maybe that's what's

01:31:53.960 wrong with Canada is that they are, they are a little bit easy to control and so easy to manipulate.

01:31:59.840 And so they have men like Stephanie. Oh my gosh. And now, and now the, um, now it's come out because

01:32:06.400 he published this book that, uh, he paints himself as a victim. You know, he was a victim. He made some

01:32:12.520 public comment on Facebook about it or no, sorry. He's he in the book has painted himself as such,

01:32:17.820 but one of his seven children, according to Redux posted on Facebook, uh, that he tried to force

01:32:23.800 his children to participate in his transvestism. She wrote, I was 13 when you left. There were days

01:32:30.560 that if I didn't want to paint your nails, you threatened to stop helping me with my homework.

01:32:34.920 You said you couldn't handle the fact that we filed a restraining order. People need to know

01:32:38.360 you can't get a restraining order for someone just being of a different mindset. You were a physical

01:32:43.680 threat to mom. The day you left more than one of your children thought you were going to come back

01:32:48.260 and harm us. Uh, and he goes on. It's just, it's long and potentially violent and the threats and so

01:32:55.080 on. But this has happened quite a few times where this person who's just looking for our empathy and

01:33:02.100 to be taken care of, like my friend's daughter thinks by us not objecting to him coming into our

01:33:07.320 locker room has got this kind of a background or something maybe less egregious, but still disturbing

01:33:12.740 that we'll never get to know about because I mean, this is, it's no accident. This is published

01:33:17.420 by Redux. You're not going to see this in the Washington Post. No. Or any mainstream publication

01:33:21.880 other than to celebrate this man and his courage in his transition, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

01:33:26.940 who knows what's behind Will Ferrell's best friend and what the story is there? What's the story with

01:33:32.880 his family and his wife? And so I'm like, what, what's, what are his social media posts look like?

01:33:37.360 We're never going to know that because we're just going to be spoon fed propaganda by the people who

01:33:42.840 support this ideology. Yeah. Well, these men, often the daughters of these men say that their fathers

01:33:51.420 decided they were women when the girls were going through puberty and then they will engage in sort

01:33:57.880 of asking for tampons or towels or bra sizes or go bra shopping. And they do, they really do seem to

01:34:07.220 come out when their daughters are going through puberty or when their wives are pregnant. So when their

01:34:12.000 wives are first pregnant, they might suddenly become, say that they, they couldn't keep it in any

01:34:16.460 longer. And is that right? Yeah. What, what, why? What? I think it's a, I think really what these men

01:34:23.000 hate women. And so they, they just can't bear the envy of their women doing something so incredibly

01:34:30.320 womanly. And often what happens with the paraphilia of, and the fetishism of becoming a woman,

01:34:35.900 will be accompanied by period fetish, pregnancy fetish, lactation fetish, which is why I think

01:34:43.440 Australia. Yes. That is one of the things that they talk about, that this guy's a member of 200

01:34:47.760 online communities on FetLife. Among them are multiple groups for the so-called adult baby diaper

01:34:54.240 lover. I'm not going to read all of these, but scissification, lactation, fetishism, just,

01:35:01.180 just what you said. That's why you've got some men now who, who are given enough drugs

01:35:06.960 to feed a baby. We had one of our Labour MPs, who's now in the House of Commons as a, as like

01:35:16.320 the government. And he promoted a man who had a lactation fetish and was, I can't say breastfeeding

01:35:24.840 a baby. He was putting his toxic nipple in a baby's mouth for his own satisfaction, but it's

01:35:32.380 happening in the States and in Australia. I think the Australian breastfeeding, one of their major

01:35:36.760 hospitals talks about helping men breastfeed children. I mean, it's just so gross. It, it has

01:35:45.120 no end. I think if you can, like I said earlier, if you can believe that a woman has a penis or a baby

01:35:50.500 can be born in the wrong body, then all bets are off as to where that ends. You can't, you can't

01:35:56.000 stop any of it. Michael Knowles, who's a conservative commentator at the Daily Wire. He's

01:35:59.480 great. We know him. He got in trouble. I don't know. He's always getting in trouble, but one of

01:36:04.040 the comments for which he got in trouble was to the effect of, forgive me for not, if I don't get

01:36:07.960 it exactly, but he wants to see transgenderism eradicated. Yes. And then everybody was like,

01:36:13.760 he wants, he's calling for a genocide against trans people. And his response was, when we say we want

01:36:19.100 to see hunger eradicated, do we think we're calling for the murder of hungry people, right? He, it's

01:36:25.600 this ideology to which he's objecting that, that he feels it's made up and it's the result of an

01:36:32.080 unwell mind and it is contagious and therefore dangerous. Um, he can explain it more articulately,

01:36:38.960 but that's it in some, what do you, what do you make of that? Like, what's your reaction when I say

01:36:42.540 that? I totally agree with him. And also the narrative is that these people are in distress. Oh, I'm so

01:36:47.400 distressed. I had to, I had to wear a dress. Otherwise, you know, I wanted to end my life.

01:36:52.500 Well, if you really meant that, then you would like also an end to transgenderism, wouldn't you?

01:36:58.620 You would like to stop the suffering of people. Um, but yeah, I totally agree with him. Look,

01:37:04.000 just take it, take it back indoors, you know, keep it in the bedroom, go and live your best life.

01:37:09.860 Mm-hmm. If, if you get your rocks off, um, dressing as a woman, calling yourself Karen,

01:37:15.740 that's great. Good for you. I just don't want to see it. I don't want to participate in it. I don't

01:37:20.780 want my daughter to have to see it. I don't want it taught in schools and I don't want any of you

01:37:24.820 men in women's spaces. That's it right there. That's why you're the original. That's why Kelly

01:37:30.800 J. Keene. She is the woman from whom I got my make women female again, red cap. You've got to

01:37:38.500 check. Well, as soon as, whenever I post that, so many of these fake companies are like, buy our cap

01:37:43.240 here. And then I have to send a follow-up post saying, no, get it from Kelly J. Keene. What is

01:37:47.280 the website, by the way, where they can get it? That's letwomenspeak.org. Okay. And when you get

01:37:52.080 on the website, you'll, you, you might be like in the UK version, but there's a little, you can click

01:37:56.800 into the American version to place your order, which you should, because you want to support

01:38:00.520 Kelly J. Keene and her mission and not just some random t-shirt maker on the internet who's trying

01:38:04.880 to glom on to her great ideas. She is the founder now of the Let Women Speak movement and now the

01:38:11.700 political party, the party of women. Good luck. Thank you. Thank you. Wonderful to see you. Oh, so great

01:38:17.980 to have her. And thanks to all of you for joining me today. Remember our live debate reaction show is

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 10, 2024

Megyn Kelly's Questions For Trump and Debate Breakdown, and Kellie-Jay Keen on Protecting Women and Girls ｜ Ep. 883

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