The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn Kelly： Special Mother’s Day episode of ＂Dedicated with Doug Brunt＂

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00:00:48.940 Welcome to Dedicated with Doug Brunt.

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00:01:11.580 Welcome to a special Mother's Day episode of Dedicated.

00:01:15.040 Today we're talking with my beautiful wife,

00:01:17.460 mother of our three kids, Megan Kelly.

00:01:19.520 She is a former attorney.

00:01:21.180 She was a badass litigator for Jones Day, 0.98

00:01:23.940 turned journalist and author.

00:01:26.480 She was included in Time Magazine's

00:01:28.260 100 Most Influential People in the World in the year 2014.

00:01:32.640 Back when that was more of a thing.

00:01:33.760 I think Time Magazine's running out of influential people.

00:01:36.240 She's interviewed heads of state from around the world.

00:01:39.160 She's moderated numerous presidential debates,

00:01:41.540 including in December 2023,

00:01:44.100 the most recent debate our country has had

00:01:45.940 and the only one worth watching that entire season.

00:01:49.540 She's known for her rigorous brand of journalism

00:01:51.980 in which she is tough on both sides of the aisle. 0.97

00:01:54.800 But best of all,

00:01:56.120 she's the architect of her own life and career.

00:01:58.660 She has built an independent media company

00:02:00.640 so that she can say what she wants

00:02:03.300 when she wants to say it.

00:02:05.120 And that allows her to be fully present

00:02:07.740 in raising our kids.

00:02:08.940 This gets to the heart of our Mother's Day episode.

00:02:11.700 She's there to take our kids to school, 0.96

00:02:13.420 to bring them home from school.

00:02:15.100 She makes all the plays and the sports.

00:02:17.740 She drives them to dances and first dates.

00:02:20.920 And she helps with homework

00:02:22.140 and she tucks them in at night,

00:02:23.440 including last night.

00:02:24.600 Our 10-year-old is super sick right now.

00:02:27.540 And you're up there reading books to him in bed

00:02:29.680 while I'm hiding downstairs

00:02:31.460 thinking I'm not going anywhere near that ball

00:02:33.220 of germs tonight.

00:02:34.380 You're up there being a good mom, as always.

00:02:37.080 So welcome to this Mother's Day episode of the show, honey.

00:02:39.660 Thank you.

00:02:40.100 Thank you very much.

00:02:40.720 For those wondering what we were reading,

00:02:42.280 it was Wolf Hollow, which has been a good book.

00:02:44.240 I've been reading it out loud to Thatcher

00:02:45.740 and it's good.

00:02:46.860 It's intriguing.

00:02:47.800 That's actually a good point.

00:02:48.820 So listeners know the purpose of this episode

00:02:51.060 is we're going to have a martini

00:02:52.980 and shoot the breeze for a little bit,

00:02:54.420 but then you're going to make three

00:02:55.580 Mother's Day book recommendations for the audience.

00:02:58.020 And then there will be

00:02:59.040 the traditional lightning round

00:03:01.060 at the end of the show.

00:03:02.160 I'm ready for you, Brian.

00:03:03.820 All right.

00:03:04.420 So then I'm going to start getting,

00:03:05.940 going on the martini.

00:03:07.600 We're going to do gin martini,

00:03:09.280 which is, that's redundant.

00:03:11.280 You don't need to say gin,

00:03:12.260 just the martini.

00:03:13.100 That's right.

00:03:13.680 With olives, a little slightly dirty.

00:03:15.900 It was kind of fun when we first discovered gin, right?

00:03:18.740 We were always doing more of a vodka martini

00:03:20.420 when we first started to drink martinis.

00:03:21.920 Yeah.

00:03:22.360 And then we found out that's not really the way.

00:03:25.160 And I like the gin.

00:03:26.440 You know, Meredith, our friend,

00:03:27.520 she can't handle gin, 1.00

00:03:28.860 so she's always avoiding it.

00:03:30.420 But I have to say, thumbs up.

00:03:32.220 The gin is good.

00:03:32.980 It's the little juniper berry is in there.

00:03:34.600 It makes a nice difference.

00:03:35.760 And you can go either way.

00:03:36.760 You can have the olives

00:03:37.580 or you can have the twist.

00:03:38.840 I'm a twist.

00:03:39.660 Sometimes, sometimes the twist

00:03:41.080 is what you're in the mood for.

00:03:42.340 All right.

00:03:42.600 Slightly dirty?

00:03:43.640 Slightly dirty.

00:03:45.260 That's right.

00:03:45.880 Just like my men.

00:03:46.740 That's my gal. 0.76

00:03:49.740 All right.

00:03:50.260 Three olives.

00:03:50.740 So, thank you so much for doing the show, honey.

00:03:55.360 This is a tough booking for you.

00:03:56.940 You know, this is my best get yet.

00:03:59.100 And I, you know,

00:03:59.680 it didn't require the prep that you sometimes do.

00:04:01.560 Like when you did Howard Stern all those years ago,

00:04:03.620 we were like prepping for all that for months.

00:04:07.580 That was insane.

00:04:08.060 I was murder boarded by half the people at Fox

00:04:10.660 to get me ready.

00:04:11.400 What will I say?

00:04:12.400 And then with you,

00:04:13.880 what won't I, how much are we giving up?

00:04:15.660 You can't go on that show and be a prude.

00:04:17.360 I think you, I think you landed it perfectly.

00:04:18.900 You gave up just the right amount.

00:04:19.980 We won't be doing the Mary F. Kill thing today.

00:04:29.020 As Howard does.

00:04:31.060 Looks perfect.

00:04:31.560 All right.

00:04:32.260 Thank you.

00:04:32.800 Dirty martini.

00:04:34.060 Cheers, babe.

00:04:34.560 Cheers, honey.

00:04:35.340 Happy Mother's Day.

00:04:36.020 Thank you.

00:04:40.920 Perfect yet again.

00:04:42.760 I think that your audience knows this

00:04:44.480 from all your other guests,

00:04:45.500 but you really are an amazing mixologist.

00:04:48.720 You're so good at making cocktails.

00:04:51.840 Yeah.

00:04:52.160 It's, I don't, you just have a knack for it.

00:04:53.580 I know you actually used to do it professionally for a while,

00:04:56.080 but you just have the gift.

00:04:57.200 I did it professionally at a beach bar though.

00:04:58.780 It was like opening beers and pouring shots of Jaeger.

00:05:00.680 There wasn't a lot of, you know,

00:05:01.600 making grasshoppers and things, but.

00:05:03.540 There was one time where we found a new drink online.

00:05:06.120 It looks so yummy.

00:05:06.880 And I'm like, do you think you can make this?

00:05:07.980 And you were like, I'll give it a shot.

00:05:09.040 And you yelled at me from the kitchen.

00:05:11.780 I have no idea whether I'm going to come through on this.

00:05:15.200 And I yelled back, I have very low expectations

00:05:19.900 and I know you'll exceed them.

00:05:21.580 And you yelled back, that makes no sense.

00:05:28.260 There's no logic behind that.

00:05:29.520 But you did.

00:05:30.120 I did nail it.

00:05:30.820 And the other thing about the show

00:05:31.820 is we've learned a couple of new cocktail options.

00:05:34.460 Lee Bardugo had the French 75.

00:05:36.460 That was good.

00:05:37.220 Love that.

00:05:37.900 That's become part of our repertoire.

00:05:39.300 That's a very fancy high-end drink.

00:05:42.260 I don't like straight champagne.

00:05:43.760 Yeah.

00:05:44.060 But that one, speaking of gin.

00:05:45.360 Yeah, gin, champagne, lemon.

00:05:47.400 One of those is plenty, by the way.

00:05:48.720 And I think the most popular drink so far

00:05:50.480 is the Manhattan.

00:05:50.980 Just had Eric Larson on.

00:05:52.320 And just as a quick aside, the show has been so fun.

00:05:54.280 I'm meeting new writers whose work I love and respect

00:05:58.220 and having friends on that I've known for a long time

00:06:01.680 whose work I love and respect.

00:06:03.260 So it's just been a great thing for me as a writer

00:06:05.420 who's often sort of in my little bunker doing my writing.

00:06:09.520 It's a great way to sort of come out

00:06:10.680 and enter the world a bit.

00:06:12.220 Yeah, and meet some of your heroes.

00:06:13.720 So speak, exactly right.

00:06:14.980 So when I was first talking to execs at SiriusXM

00:06:17.980 about the concepts for the show,

00:06:19.360 I had this top 10 wish list of bookings

00:06:22.480 of writers that I really hoped could come on the show

00:06:25.080 and just had Eric Larson on,

00:06:27.360 author of Devil in the White City.

00:06:28.980 That was big.

00:06:29.480 And Dead Wake and Splendor in the Vial.

00:06:30.820 And it put the lie to that expression,

00:06:34.380 don't ever meet your heroes,

00:06:35.400 because he was that cool and that great.

00:06:37.580 It was really just such a pleasure.

00:06:38.600 And he chose the Manhattan,

00:06:40.000 which happens to be my favorite drink.

00:06:42.320 Another reason to love him.

00:06:43.460 Exactly.

00:06:44.080 It's been so fun to watch you go from this being an idea

00:06:47.440 where you thought it'd be really cool

00:06:48.660 to actually going into SiriusXM

00:06:50.720 and doing the interviews and coming home,

00:06:52.540 sometimes drunk,

00:06:54.000 but coming home just uplifted

00:06:56.100 and with a chest full of energy

00:06:57.820 from having met another really interesting,

00:07:00.100 cool, thoughtful person.

00:07:01.660 And the fact that they're in your lane of work,

00:07:04.480 right, writing, so much the better.

00:07:06.560 It's great.

00:07:06.840 It's such an engaging conversation

00:07:08.240 and everyone does it differently.

00:07:10.260 It's so fun to hear from these different writers

00:07:12.120 and they all have such a different way of going

00:07:13.660 or else they just sort of uncover

00:07:15.060 some aspect of the way they do it.

00:07:17.480 It might be consistent with other people,

00:07:18.940 but say it in a way that you hadn't thought of before.

00:07:21.120 It's really just sort of a,

00:07:22.580 it's an energizing kind of a conversation to have.

00:07:24.720 What's special about Dedicated

00:07:26.120 is everyone who comes on here,

00:07:28.620 President Company Accepted,

00:07:30.120 is extremely smart.

00:07:31.880 I mean, truly, it's amazing to listen to the guests

00:07:33.940 and their facility with words, ideas,

00:07:37.660 you know, these little gems

00:07:38.500 that they'll just drop casually in conversation

00:07:40.480 where you're like,

00:07:40.960 oh my God, that's beautiful.

00:07:42.040 Or, oh wow, look how he turns a phrase

00:07:43.920 because they're immersed in language for a living.

00:07:46.180 So it's one of the things I love about the show,

00:07:48.780 you know, like,

00:07:50.400 oh, forgive me, who wrote Angela's Ashes?

00:07:52.620 He used to say it's like chewing rubies in your mouth

00:07:55.100 when you have like a great piece of writing.

00:07:57.480 And that's how Dedicated makes me feel.

00:07:59.680 Yeah, it's really down to like wonderful.

00:08:02.300 I just try to get out of the way.

00:08:03.560 I ask questions and they come on and they shine.

00:08:05.920 And, you know, Eric Larson will tell you a bit

00:08:07.400 about how he does his research

00:08:08.480 and how he thinks about narrative

00:08:10.320 and putting a story together,

00:08:11.540 what he looks for in an idea for the next book.

00:08:14.120 And tons of fiction writers, nonfiction writers.

00:08:16.600 And I have not yet held up your book, Settle for More,

00:08:22.000 this phenomenal memoir

00:08:23.320 that actually got kind of cribbed for the movie Bombshell.

00:08:26.860 It did get cribbed and we did not get any money.

00:08:28.880 No royalties on that.

00:08:29.820 No one paid us a day.

00:08:31.180 Nor would I have sold them.

00:08:32.220 Also a great and inspiring book.

00:08:34.400 And a lot of like, just your style,

00:08:36.680 as I say about you, you're not a perfectionist,

00:08:39.040 but you're an exceptionalist.

00:08:40.220 And so if you're gonna put your name on anything,

00:08:42.460 it has to be great.

00:08:43.240 And so this ended up being a ton of work for you to put out.

00:08:47.880 It was, it was nonstop.

00:08:49.440 And I don't know, I'm glad I wrote it

00:08:52.340 because it was a crazy period of time for us.

00:08:54.820 And so it'll always be a marker

00:08:56.320 for where we were at that point in our lives

00:08:58.440 and what I've learned so far.

00:09:00.540 And I'm sure in another 40 years, I'll write another one,

00:09:04.060 another memoir about what happened after.

00:09:06.780 And hopefully it'll be much more insightful

00:09:08.080 and won't completely undermine everything I've said there.

00:09:10.720 But I still, my life philosophy remains the same.

00:09:12.780 The settle for more thing is still real.

00:09:14.360 The second one's gonna be a happier book.

00:09:15.780 I feel like you are fully hitting your stride,

00:09:18.060 where we are as a family with our kids and your work.

00:09:21.260 It's just like, knock wood.

00:09:22.500 I gotta knock on this wood or have a sip or something

00:09:24.440 because-

00:09:24.920 No, we're just gonna manifest it.

00:09:26.060 We're crushing it.

00:09:26.300 We're gonna manifest greatness.

00:09:27.520 We don't need to knock.

00:09:28.300 Well, it's working.

00:09:29.020 Yeah.

00:09:29.740 This lady and we, we're gonna have a great next 40. 1.00

00:09:33.420 This weird lady, her face. 1.00

00:09:35.480 For the listening audience, there's a face

00:09:37.580 and we're in my studio

00:09:38.380 and there's this like face of this woman. 0.98

00:09:40.480 It's just kind of a cool addition to the studio.

00:09:41.900 And I got it.

00:09:43.040 I was like, well, who is that?

00:09:44.460 Because what if this person is not a fan?

00:09:47.220 And the next thing we hear,

00:09:48.420 she starts complaining about being on the Megyn Kelly show,

00:09:50.660 but we're good because it's AI generated.

00:09:52.740 Yeah.

00:09:53.320 All right, let's go with book number one.

00:09:56.340 We'll intersperse with more, you know, witty banter,

00:09:58.740 but what is your first Mother's Day book pick?

00:10:02.360 Well, I try to pick different ones

00:10:04.780 depending on what your interest is.

00:10:06.280 And I fully stand by this one, no matter who you are.

00:10:09.360 It's called Decades and it's by Joseph Massey,

00:10:12.900 double S-E-Y. 0.99

00:10:13.820 You can get it on Amazon.

00:10:15.620 And there's a lot I love about this book,

00:10:17.760 but his poetry, it's a book of poetry.

00:10:19.980 And I'm not a huge poetry reader,

00:10:21.880 but his poems make me feel the way you feel

00:10:25.340 when you open up the curtains on a winter morning

00:10:28.340 and you see two feet of snow

00:10:31.220 and the fat snowflakes still coming down.

00:10:33.340 It just, he captures these little moments of nature

00:10:37.640 in our world around us.

00:10:39.620 And I just cites like the reflection of an old hotel

00:10:43.180 in a puddle that make you stop in your tracks

00:10:46.760 and feel the thing he's communicating.

00:10:49.220 And, you know, he's got a real way with them word things.

00:10:52.800 And the thing I love about Massey too

00:10:54.720 is he's completely self-made now.

00:10:56.920 He was this rising poet in the poetry world.

00:10:59.600 He was getting all these laudatory reviews

00:11:02.080 from the New York Times and other places.

00:11:04.380 And then he got me too'd off of, frankly,

00:11:07.900 just a BS situation.

00:11:09.160 It was an ex-girlfriend who was bitter about how it ended.

00:11:12.940 It didn't end well, he admits that.

00:11:15.220 But it wasn't like he was harassing

00:11:17.300 and Harvey Weinsteining people.

00:11:18.940 He had a bad relationship that went South.

00:11:22.100 So the poetry world completely turned on him.

00:11:25.280 I mean, they are the meanest mofos you've ever done. 1.00

00:11:28.320 Poetries.

00:11:28.760 I mean, like you wouldn't think

00:11:30.200 that the poetry world would be so vicious.

00:11:31.940 Would get the knives out.

00:11:32.920 No, they're terrible.

00:11:34.320 So he got railroaded out of the industry

00:11:37.260 and was really sad and writes openly

00:11:40.800 about the depression that followed and how low he was.

00:11:43.960 And now he's rebounded and he's writing his own stuff

00:11:48.660 and he's publishing, self-publishing,

00:11:51.080 but you can get the stuff on Amazon.

00:11:52.220 So it's relatively easy.

00:11:53.640 And so I love the fact that you can give somebody

00:11:55.700 that gift or that feeling with the snow.

00:11:57.360 And you can also support somebody

00:12:00.100 who's finding a way around.

00:12:01.200 It's great to see there are more avenues.

00:12:02.200 As you say, your way around,

00:12:03.540 there are more avenues for the cream to rise to the top.

00:12:05.540 If he's good and if he's worth a follow.

00:12:07.340 And by the way, he's a great Twitter follow.

00:12:09.380 And just today, it's funny you say that

00:12:10.580 because he had a photo out this morning

00:12:13.000 that I saw on Twitter.

00:12:14.200 And it's a photo of a little drop of water

00:12:16.120 sort of just before it falls off the twig,

00:12:20.100 you know, a branch.

00:12:20.720 It's like, it's sort of bubbling out

00:12:22.360 and it was reflecting the tree around it.

00:12:24.840 It was a really beautiful photo.

00:12:25.960 And I think he titled it Spring or something like that.

00:12:27.660 Well, his photography is just as beautiful as his poetry.

00:12:30.220 So I just think this is something

00:12:31.240 any woman would love to receive. 0.97

00:12:33.120 It's just, it's a gift of making you feel a certain way.

00:12:36.760 The poems are not too long.

00:12:38.500 It's a quick read.

00:12:39.140 It's something you can pick up and put down easily.

00:12:40.960 Anyway, I think everyone will love it.

00:12:42.240 All right.

00:12:42.580 Decades by Joseph Massey.

00:12:43.720 I want to have him on the show actually

00:12:44.800 because I have not yet had a poet.

00:12:46.780 I've had songwriters like Rick Springfield.

00:12:49.100 I've had memoirists like Paulina Poroskova

00:12:52.840 and even like David Duchovny has come on.

00:12:54.720 He's written some good fiction

00:12:55.620 and graphic novels Duchovny has.

00:12:57.560 He's a great talker.

00:12:58.140 I've had a range of stuff.

00:12:58.940 He'd be good for dedicated

00:12:59.520 because he's a good talker.

00:13:00.720 Good.

00:13:01.140 I'll have him on then if he's willing to come in.

00:13:04.160 But you gotta, that's the thing.

00:13:05.460 You gotta come into New York City.

00:13:06.560 You gotta have a cocktail.

00:13:07.660 Like there's a price to pay.

00:13:08.780 You can't just, you know, come in by Zoom for this.

00:13:11.160 I think he'd love to meet you, Duggar.

00:13:12.440 All right.

00:13:13.560 Book number two for Mother's Day.

00:13:17.780 Okay.

00:13:18.380 So this one is more just pure fun.

00:13:21.580 It's called Wrong Place, Wrong Time

00:13:24.160 by Jillian McAllister.

00:13:25.740 And I don't remember having so much fun reading a book.

00:13:28.540 It's just, it's, I can tell you how it opens

00:13:32.060 and then, you know, I'll leave it at that.

00:13:34.000 But it opens with a mother watching her late-teened son

00:13:38.940 engage in a deadly altercation on the street.

00:13:42.800 And he commits what looks like a murder.

00:13:46.340 She winds up at the police station with him.

00:13:48.640 She's distraught.

00:13:49.480 She doesn't understand at all how her otherwise well-behaved son

00:13:53.340 has gotten to this point.

00:13:55.300 And she can't bail him out.

00:13:56.860 She goes home.

00:13:57.620 She falls asleep.

00:13:58.360 And when she wakes up, she's back in time

00:14:01.980 by a couple of days, a day or two.

00:14:04.200 And then she lives that day.

00:14:05.940 And then she goes to sleep.

00:14:07.300 And she's back further in time.

00:14:10.240 And she unravels the mystery through these leaps backward in time

00:14:15.080 about this particular circumstance and her life.

00:14:19.240 Really, really enjoyed it.

00:14:20.540 Oh, that's a great concept for a book.

00:14:22.160 There was some movie with Guy Pearce, I think,

00:14:24.380 where he was going backwards in time.

00:14:26.080 Or maybe he had a short-term memory or something.

00:14:27.500 He kept replaying it or something.

00:14:28.700 But that sounds great.

00:14:29.440 I want to read that one.

00:14:30.180 Yeah.

00:14:30.420 Did you do that audio?

00:14:31.460 I did that audio.

00:14:32.320 I just think it's so fun, like the concept of time travel.

00:14:35.720 And as you know, I love mystery.

00:14:37.240 And I love anything crimey.

00:14:38.840 So I enjoyed that from start to finish.

00:14:41.640 I don't know if there's a Dateline with Camo,

00:14:44.120 as we call him, Keith Morrison,

00:14:45.740 that you haven't heard or watched on TV.

00:14:48.980 I do not miss that.

00:14:50.780 And you know, the thing about Dateline that I really like

00:14:52.800 is they don't ever get too graphic.

00:14:55.180 Like I enjoy true crime, but I don't.

00:14:56.880 Camo, he's tasteful.

00:14:57.920 He is tasteful.

00:14:58.620 Tasteful murders.

00:14:59.060 And he's so enjoyable to just listen to.

00:15:01.180 You know, people listen to that guy, read the phone book.

00:15:03.220 But I met him too when I was at NBC

00:15:05.040 and he's just a complete doll.

00:15:06.760 And he does a great job of storytelling.

00:15:09.120 He writes those scripts for sure.

00:15:10.800 That's him.

00:15:11.360 That's his own special.

00:15:11.940 Is that right?

00:15:12.360 Because it's such a well-produced thing.

00:15:14.480 Like there's a 2020 is fine,

00:15:15.960 but it seems like Dateline is maybe a notch above

00:15:18.100 in terms of production value.

00:15:19.360 It's way above.

00:15:19.820 It's way above.

00:15:20.300 It was the best thing of my experience at NBC

00:15:22.200 to be able to work with those producers

00:15:23.760 and those editors and those reporters.

00:15:25.500 They were top-notch.

00:15:26.880 So I love Dateline too.

00:15:28.060 Yeah.

00:15:29.060 All right.

00:15:29.580 I mean, just so listeners know,

00:15:30.700 if I ever look over at Megan,

00:15:31.660 I see the little AirPods in 50-50.

00:15:35.160 She's doing a news podcast,

00:15:36.800 which is all over the board.

00:15:37.980 I mean, you listen to 10 different news podcasts a day

00:15:41.620 from all spectrums of the political left-right ideology.

00:15:45.760 Or it's Dateline.

00:15:46.880 Yeah.

00:15:47.560 Or an audio book.

00:15:48.340 Sometimes it's an audio book.

00:15:49.520 But Dateline is my default.

00:15:51.040 It's nice to fall asleep to like a little gentle murder.

00:15:54.160 If it's an audio book within that category,

00:15:56.960 there's a 50-50 chance it's the Streisand memoir.

00:15:59.800 Oh my God.

00:16:00.120 Which is going to take 10 years to finish.

00:16:02.260 I'm not, I'm pulling a Doug Brunt.

00:16:03.980 Oh.

00:16:04.260 I'm not giving up.

00:16:05.420 You're just, you're going to fight through it.

00:16:06.980 I always tell you to abandon these books that are so long

00:16:10.080 that you don't really enjoy.

00:16:11.260 They're like, I don't know that, that one on,

00:16:13.400 was it Hiroshido?

00:16:14.520 I don't, it went on forever.

00:16:15.420 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:15.760 The Japanese emperor.

00:16:16.760 It was like twice as long as the Barber's Streisand.

00:16:18.820 Yeah.

00:16:18.960 It was dry, but it was like,

00:16:20.480 there was information there, but my God, it was dry.

00:16:22.500 And I'm like, just put it away, put it aside, honey.

00:16:24.920 And you were like, no.

00:16:25.680 So anyway, normally I will abandon if I'm bored,

00:16:28.320 but I, I'm not bored by the Barber book.

00:16:31.020 It's just interminable.

00:16:32.580 It just never ends.

00:16:33.680 How many hours is the audio book?

00:16:35.700 I don't, I only have like another 900 to go.

00:16:39.080 I don't, I'll get back to you.

00:16:40.580 I think I'm going to be her age by the time I finish it.

00:16:42.720 I'm getting better at abandoning a book.

00:16:44.560 There, there are times now, there are just so many that I'm,

00:16:46.640 now that I'm doing the show as well,

00:16:48.180 and a lot of research for my own writing,

00:16:50.040 there are so many books I need to get through

00:16:51.380 that I'm being a little more discerning.

00:16:53.020 It used to take a lot for me.

00:16:54.400 If I started a book,

00:16:55.180 it would take a,

00:16:56.520 it would have to be really bad for me not to finish.

00:16:58.720 Now it's, my bar is a little lower to put it down.

00:17:02.220 I know, but who was it?

00:17:03.520 Was it Amor Tolles who was giving you the math

00:17:05.620 on how many books you'll get to read

00:17:07.060 between now and the time we die?

00:17:08.420 Many, many, many years from now.

00:17:09.880 And that, that was like a wake up call for you.

00:17:11.620 The math is depressing.

00:17:12.760 You know, if you figure you read a book a month,

00:17:14.920 some that's, I'm, you know, with work and things.

00:17:17.020 I mean, now I read for work, which is wonderful.

00:17:19.000 It's like, I get to watch movies for work, you know?

00:17:21.100 So it has that kind of a feel.

00:17:22.860 So I'm reading more like a book or two a week.

00:17:26.400 But most people, you know, a book a month,

00:17:28.860 two is a, is a, is a big pace.

00:17:30.360 So let's say it's two.

00:17:31.300 That's 20, call it 25 books a year.

00:17:34.360 And if we're going to live for, you know, 30 more years.

00:17:38.200 30?

00:17:39.200 That's, well, yeah.

00:17:40.800 Say 50 more years.

00:17:41.780 Yeah, let's go with 50.

00:17:42.540 And now, now I've like, I was trying to set up a math situation

00:17:45.000 that I can do in my head right now.

00:17:46.340 So 50 more years, that'd be 250, call it a thousand books a year.

00:17:50.240 We're going to read like 800, a thousand more books in our life.

00:17:53.120 Yeah.

00:17:53.600 So, you know, you've got to choose wisely.

00:17:56.200 You're the avid reader in the family.

00:17:57.340 I read a lot, but not, not as many books.

00:17:59.900 I'm reading news all day.

00:18:01.700 So it's like, if I want to listen to a book, is it, you know?

00:18:05.160 I love that you have that doctor app.

00:18:06.580 So like your, your information can come in

00:18:09.480 and you can convert it to audio.

00:18:10.800 So even if it comes in in a PDF form.

00:18:13.080 I love it, yes.

00:18:13.940 You can, you know, those doctor things

00:18:15.080 where it's like voice to text or text to voice.

00:18:17.040 Yeah, voice dream.

00:18:18.240 Voice dream is what I use.

00:18:19.760 Voice dream.

00:18:21.040 Yeah.

00:18:21.280 And it, it'll read anything to me and I love it.

00:18:23.720 And it's just, you can do your makeup.

00:18:25.480 You can do anything you want while you're taking in news.

00:18:26.860 Cook lasagna like you cooked last night, which was phenomenal.

00:18:29.720 Trigger.

00:18:32.340 We have a running joke in the family that lasagna,

00:18:35.080 if you do it right, if you do it well, the way she does it,

00:18:37.820 there's so many steps involved.

00:18:38.900 You got to like get the meat sauce going.

00:18:40.620 And then separately this, and then you got to make the bechamel sauce.

00:18:44.080 Yes.

00:18:45.060 By the time she finishes, it's so good.

00:18:47.660 But she, her, like she's on her last nerve.

00:18:50.580 And so everyone's like tiptoeing, like mom's a little upset.

00:18:53.460 She made a lasagna today.

00:18:55.920 It's now to the point where we'll say to the kids like,

00:18:58.140 hey, we're doing lasagna.

00:18:59.220 And then they're like, oh, oh, it's not worth it.

00:19:02.680 It's not worth it.

00:19:03.680 It actually is worth it.

00:19:04.460 It was so good.

00:19:04.880 I figured out if I, I can, I'll make it just fine.

00:19:08.560 But if we add on making the salad and setting the table, I start to get upset.

00:19:12.840 Yeah.

00:19:13.100 That's too much.

00:19:13.800 Yeah.

00:19:13.980 No, no one person can do all that.

00:19:15.700 No, we got to rein it back.

00:19:16.600 Yeah.

00:19:16.940 So I'll do the salad.

00:19:17.940 Kids will set the table.

00:19:19.100 As it should be.

00:19:19.740 Off we go.

00:19:20.500 Yeah.

00:19:20.640 All right.

00:19:22.220 Third book.

00:19:23.300 By the way, before you say the third book, I just wanted to say,

00:19:26.640 because I think I know what your third book is and it's nonfiction, right?

00:19:29.400 Yeah.

00:19:30.740 The best children's book we ever read to the kids was Big Pumpkin.

00:19:36.180 Love.

00:19:36.500 I mean, I love Good Night Moon.

00:19:37.980 There's, the crayons quit the day the crayon.

00:19:40.220 That was fun too.

00:19:41.140 There are a number of good ones, but Big Pumpkin.

00:19:42.900 We just got, even I was sort of lured into that hypnotic repetition of like Big Pumpkin said

00:19:49.020 The Vampire.

00:19:49.740 We loved Big Pumpkin.

00:19:51.120 I also like the Little Blue Truck series.

00:19:53.300 Oh, those are good.

00:19:53.840 Those are really good.

00:19:54.800 I miss those days.

00:19:55.560 I know.

00:19:56.160 We didn't throw those away.

00:19:57.360 Like, you know, some of the ones that-

00:19:59.000 The favorites we still have.

00:19:59.800 Yeah, they kind of moved on, but the favorites, you can't part with them.

00:20:01.980 You just sat there with them so many times reciting these.

00:20:04.780 Yeah.

00:20:05.520 It's its own form of poetry.

00:20:06.940 They're little bodies in your lap.

00:20:08.800 You know, now they're like longer than we are.

00:20:11.020 You can't even have them in your lap anymore.

00:20:12.860 I know.

00:20:13.320 Or what's the one that, you know, that makes me cry every time?

00:20:16.000 It's so, it's really terrible, frankly.

00:20:18.200 Oh, yeah.

00:20:18.960 Where the man carries the-

00:20:20.340 Yes, he carries the mother.

00:20:22.120 The mother keeps picking him up and like she sings the song to him and then finally she

00:20:26.420 can't pick him up anymore and then he picks her. 1.00

00:20:28.320 Oh, my God.

00:20:29.220 We'll remember it.

00:20:30.300 Oh.

00:20:30.760 Devastating.

00:20:31.240 Don't buy that one.

00:20:32.020 As my dad said, all the phases are great.

00:20:34.480 We're moving into the next phases.

00:20:37.260 All right.

00:20:37.640 Third and final Mother's Day book pick.

00:20:40.940 So I love Abigail Schreier who wrote one of the most important books I've ever read, which

00:20:45.980 was Irreversible Damage.

00:20:47.740 And she's followed it up now with Bad Therapy and it's out right now.

00:20:51.580 And I do think this is actually also really important.

00:20:56.040 It takes a hard look at the over-therapization of children.

00:20:59.660 And, you know, I'm very pro-therapy.

00:21:01.960 I've been to lots of therapy.

00:21:03.720 She's got some questions in there about adult therapy as well.

00:21:05.940 But it's about how we're therapizing these children now in school with non-trained, you

00:21:12.480 know, armchair therapists who don't have any sort of appropriate degree who are also really

00:21:18.540 into trauma porn.

00:21:20.120 So, you know, every day at school now the teacher's like, okay, think of a trauma and

00:21:24.780 how did you handle it?

00:21:25.620 And they're trying to bring the child back to something terrible that happened to him

00:21:28.740 or her, which in and of itself is not great for them.

00:21:31.660 You know, it's like they come to school, they're ready to learn math and they want it.

00:21:34.340 Somebody wants them to espouse their worst trauma and like, how'd you deal with it?

00:21:37.480 Okay, great.

00:21:38.140 Okay, so now on to Pythagoras.

00:21:40.180 It's not that easy.

00:21:41.940 And the person trying to do it is nine times out of 10, not that qualified.

00:21:46.700 So I think it's actually really-

00:21:47.920 I mean, I feel like we probably all know a few people who are therapists now and we think

00:21:52.660 back like that person, they were a disaster, you know, but it makes sense because they were

00:21:56.660 in therapy all their lives and because they were exposed to so much, they somehow think

00:22:01.120 they can then become the teacher.

00:22:02.720 And then, so these very troubled people become therapists and just perpetuates the cycle.

00:22:06.580 I also really believe at this point in my life that immersing yourself in past traumas

00:22:11.220 is very counterproductive.

00:22:12.720 I am not a licensed therapist, but this is my own personal belief.

00:22:15.680 I love my therapist who I've had for years now because he's only forward-looking and like

00:22:20.100 present focus, like how do you feel about that?

00:22:23.000 And what can you do to change it?

00:22:24.740 And like, what's within your power now to make this situation better?

00:22:28.440 It's, he's never asked me about my, you know, like, what was it like when you got bullied

00:22:32.640 in seventh grade?

00:22:33.580 By the way, it's in the book, Settle for More Again, number one New York Times bestseller.

00:22:37.440 But he doesn't want to get into that and that's helpful to me.

00:22:40.220 I don't want to get into it either.

00:22:41.360 And I'm telling you at 53, I now believe that compartmentalization is the way to go.

00:22:45.780 Like immersing yourself in the bad things is not a great way to go through life.

00:22:49.760 Yeah.

00:22:50.320 Yeah.

00:22:50.760 There's there, I mean, the classic sort of revisit things with your mom and your dad.

00:22:54.840 And like, there's probably some of that, but a lot of it has got to be more like, here

00:22:58.320 are some tools to handle it rather than like, let's go spend an hour wallowing in it.

00:23:03.160 How do you manage the feelings when you're feeling them?

00:23:04.280 Yeah.

00:23:04.420 I think that's the really, that's the main important question in therapy.

00:23:07.360 How do you manage the feelings when you're feeling them?

00:23:09.400 He's big into cognitive behavioral therapy.

00:23:11.680 And as you know, I've said this to you before, my bullet down to, okay, when you're talking

00:23:16.700 yourself into the very scary place, something terrible is going to happen to me, a child, whatever,

00:23:21.720 you can do that.

00:23:22.340 You know, your brain might want to take you there, but you must, you're required to make

00:23:26.100 the counter list.

00:23:27.640 What are the odds?

00:23:28.560 It's not going to happen.

00:23:29.620 What are the arguments against this stuff that you're feeding into your own head?

00:23:32.840 That works really well.

00:23:34.940 All right.

00:23:35.320 Abigail.

00:23:35.680 So all three authors I want to have on dedicated, they are, they are hereby invited anytime to

00:23:41.360 come into New York city, have a drink and, uh, and come on the show and talk about their

00:23:45.220 life and their work and their most recent book.

00:23:49.000 So is this my mother's day gift or am I getting something else?

00:23:53.040 Of course.

00:23:54.120 This is it.

00:23:54.860 You hate flowers.

00:23:55.880 This martini.

00:23:58.040 That's not true.

00:23:58.620 You don't like flowers, but flowers can't be the whole gift.

00:24:01.140 They can accompany a gift.

00:24:03.300 I, I've told this story before, but I love this.

00:24:05.580 So when Doug and I first started dating, he was so good looking.

00:24:09.120 Yeah.

00:24:09.700 He was so good looking and he has such a nice personality and he had a good job and

00:24:13.960 it comes from a nice family.

00:24:15.320 But we met when we were 34 or 35, I was 35.

00:24:18.980 You were 34.

00:24:19.660 He's always rubbing in his nine years, nine months, excuse me, younger.

00:24:22.940 And, um, I was like, there's something wrong with him.

00:24:26.340 I was sharing an office with major Garrett at Fox news at the time.

00:24:29.060 He's now at CBS.

00:24:30.160 And, uh, I'm like, there's something wrong with him. 0.99

00:24:31.840 I say, he's like either a serial killer or he's gay or I don't, he's got like multiple 0.99

00:24:37.700 personality disorders, something wrong with him. 0.98

00:24:39.460 It just can't be that this person came to me in this package, like available and possibly

00:24:44.060 in love.

00:24:45.400 I get no.

00:24:46.320 And, um, then we hit our first holiday together and you sent me a bouquet of flowers, which

00:24:52.960 is clearly like, I don't know, maybe $15.

00:24:57.820 Well, I, you know, I don't know if it was that it was, it was just like, I haven't,

00:25:01.960 I sent a lot of flowers.

00:25:03.480 So I just called the flower shop and then, you know, and the flowers arrived and it was

00:25:08.720 the puniest.

00:25:09.580 I mean, it looked like the size of this little glass and major Garrett looked at me and he

00:25:17.300 said, well, he's not gay, but we're not big on the gift giving in general.

00:25:24.400 And I didn't like, I felt like red roses.

00:25:26.500 It was, you know, not time for that.

00:25:28.360 That was really the only thing I knew.

00:25:29.340 It was either red roses or something else.

00:25:30.660 And I said, give me the something else.

00:25:31.840 And you were, I mean, I don't really like flowers, which you now know.

00:25:34.720 I don't like that ever.

00:25:35.780 I used to say, just write me a letter.

00:25:37.300 It's not that you don't like the flowers.

00:25:38.420 I mean, you have flowers around, but it's not like, don't just send flowers absent a

00:25:42.920 note or something like the note would be the more important part of the gift.

00:25:45.920 That's right.

00:25:46.320 Or instead of like, I would much rather receive a note, just a note than a bouquet of flowers.

00:25:52.220 And how much have I, in your Christmas stocking this year, a note, which will be unshared

00:25:57.560 with the audience, but I'm catching on.

00:26:00.520 Well, we'll do that next time I come on.

00:26:02.340 That'll really drive ratings.

00:26:03.220 Oh, read the note.

00:26:04.000 Yeah.

00:26:04.260 No, that's not getting read.

00:26:06.180 We're going to take a short break and we'll be right back.

00:26:08.340 All right, on to the lightning round, which is an extended lightning round and can go

00:26:18.120 in many directions.

00:26:19.160 Oh.

00:26:20.200 Your favorite book as a kid.

00:26:22.860 I love the Judy Blume books.

00:26:26.120 You know, Are You There, God?

00:26:26.960 It's Me, Margaret, or Blubber.

00:26:28.440 Like those books were horrifying and full of information and gripping and I loved all of

00:26:34.960 them.

00:26:35.520 Yeah.

00:26:36.260 I have to get those.

00:26:37.700 I've never read any of those.

00:26:39.200 Well, they're a little bit more geared for girls. 0.51

00:26:41.380 Like, Are You There, God?

00:26:42.100 It's Me, Margaret, is about getting your period.

00:26:43.760 So I imagine that Doug Brunt was not big.

00:26:48.120 I was going to say, it sounded so good.

00:26:49.400 Margaret and God.

00:26:50.440 And God.

00:26:51.300 All right.

00:26:52.640 All right.

00:26:53.100 So not that, but I'll check out the rest of the series.

00:26:55.700 All right.

00:26:56.200 This we've touched on a little bit already, but in terms of the way you consume your books,

00:27:02.740 audio book, ebook, or a printed, you know, hardcover book.

00:27:07.380 I mean, I'm almost exclusively audio now because I read all morning.

00:27:12.840 I read the news, actual news.

00:27:14.760 I do listen to some of it, but almost all of it is reading.

00:27:17.420 And so I have dry eye.

00:27:19.260 I don't know if any of your listeners can relate to this, but I have dry eye.

00:27:21.940 And so by the time I get to the evening, my eyes are shot.

00:27:25.500 They're done.

00:27:26.260 And so I love the fact that audio is now an option.

00:27:29.940 Yeah.

00:27:30.140 And I love to, you know, lie in our bed.

00:27:32.300 We say goodnight.

00:27:33.600 I'll put in the little AirPods if I want to listen to it as I'm going off to sleep.

00:27:38.200 Sometimes I'll put on my little mask and I'll just drift off.

00:27:41.880 And when you do that, I have no idea if you're awake or asleep.

00:27:44.460 I just see the mat.

00:27:45.360 You're like Zorro.

00:27:46.000 By the way, you also only have so much desk time per day.

00:27:50.660 And so audio allows you to do it in the car or cooking or whatever.

00:27:54.860 I absolutely love audio.

00:27:56.400 God bless the people who invented that because it makes life possible for those of us who.

00:28:01.040 Have you done enough to know a favorite audio book reader?

00:28:05.260 Like Scott Brick read Diesel for me.

00:28:07.440 And he's like the maestro of audio books.

00:28:10.140 And Eduardo Ballerini does all of Amor Toll's books.

00:28:12.660 And he's terrific too.

00:28:13.620 I don't know the answer, although it's definitely repeat characters because you hear the same voices.

00:28:18.760 You can recognize it from, you know, whatever book this person was in.

00:28:21.600 But I confess I have not cared enough to go research their names.

00:28:24.880 Well, what was amazing that I found out, so audio, I'm only learning more about it.

00:28:28.820 And I had Scott Brick on the show and I had Eduardo on the show too, actually, to talk about, you know,

00:28:33.400 because I was like, oh, maybe I'll read my own audio book.

00:28:35.140 But it's a whole art form.

00:28:36.680 These guys are really like actors and they do it so well and they do it better.

00:28:40.720 AI is a threat a little bit to their.

00:28:42.400 Well, if you were to write like a memoir, you know, you'd read, I think you'd read it.

00:28:46.000 Yeah, like Barbra Streisand.

00:28:46.900 My God, she must have spent a month reading that book.

00:28:48.400 Can I say that's one of the things I like about the audio book and why I haven't abandoned it because she's reading it.

00:28:54.260 She's putting her personality into it.

00:28:55.700 She always inflects like, you know, you know, in her Brooklyn accent.

00:28:59.620 It's charming.

00:29:00.660 I know her politics and mine are very different, but I don't care.

00:29:02.800 I'm not one of those people who writes her off because we wouldn't vote the same.

00:29:06.120 And she intersperses clips from her incredible performances.

00:29:10.840 She'll tell you about this amazing thing she did in Central Park.

00:29:13.100 And then she'll drop in a clip. 0.83

00:29:14.680 I love that.

00:29:15.620 Or from Funny Girl, et cetera.

00:29:17.280 So I'm a fan.

00:29:18.640 Of course, we've watched a couple of her old movies.

00:29:20.300 When you got the memoir, we watched the one with Robert Redford.

00:29:23.460 The way we were.

00:29:24.180 The way we were.

00:29:24.640 We watched that, which was great.

00:29:26.300 Should we tell the story of running into Barbara and her current husband in Malibu?

00:29:32.340 It was the funniest thing ever.

00:29:34.540 So it must have been 2016 because that's when like left and right both were in love with you

00:29:38.140 and you're on the cover of Vanity Fair.

00:29:39.500 And we were out at the Vanity Fair Oscars party, I guess.

00:29:43.580 And we went to, who was hosting the party?

00:29:45.960 It was Ron Myers.

00:29:46.960 Ron Myers was hosting the party.

00:29:48.160 So we go to the party and you're the belle of the ball.

00:29:51.100 Like everyone's like, everyone's reporting whether or not you walked in with security.

00:29:54.240 People thought I was security. 0.92

00:29:55.440 That was ridiculous. 0.94

00:29:56.980 She walked in like she was all that security. 0.98

00:29:58.640 It was me.

00:29:59.300 It was you.

00:29:59.980 Blazer.

00:30:00.460 That's right.

00:30:00.960 I'm like, hello, that's my husband.

00:30:02.500 It was that same reporter.

00:30:03.780 I don't want to mention her name.

00:30:05.180 She gets everything wrong.

00:30:05.940 But you're talking to Streisand and, you know, she had questions for you about politics

00:30:10.820 and you guys were going back and forth.

00:30:12.260 And I'm talking to this guy who I was like, he was super nice.

00:30:17.940 And we were just chit-chatting about whatever, no idea who he was or whatever.

00:30:23.720 And we weren't really talking about anything to do with the party.

00:30:26.180 You know, he seemed to know Malibu a little bit.

00:30:28.080 So he's pointing out some things.

00:30:30.600 And, but I was sort of like getting a little antsy, like, when is she going to finish up

00:30:33.380 with Barbara so I can, you know, like go get a drink at the bar and we can move on from 0.80

00:30:36.540 here.

00:30:36.860 And I'm, but I'm, you know, I'm being polite.

00:30:39.340 And so you guys do finally finish up.

00:30:42.240 He looked a bit disheveled.

00:30:43.560 He looked very disheveled.

00:30:44.680 I didn't really want to say this part of the story, but I was like, my God, he seems

00:30:46.900 like sort of like a homeless guy who's straggled in here.

00:30:50.560 And then you guys finally finished.

00:30:52.720 We get to the bar.

00:30:53.240 I'm like, how was that?

00:30:53.780 I'm like, my God, I was like talking with this guy forever.

00:30:56.140 And you're like, what do you mean what guy?

00:30:57.420 I'm like that guy.

00:30:58.680 And you're like.

00:30:59.940 That's James Brolin.

00:31:01.020 It was her husband, but I didn't recognize.

00:31:04.100 He was a wonderful actor.

00:31:05.460 And I, but I was more familiar, you know, my age, I was more familiar with his son, Josh

00:31:09.080 Brolin, who's also a great actor.

00:31:10.940 Crazy.

00:31:11.160 Doug's like, I got stuck talking to some homeless guy for like 15 minutes. 0.68

00:31:13.840 I'm like, that's James Brolin.

00:31:15.560 He's like, well, he was really nice, but I'm just.

00:31:17.300 So anyway, they, oh, I was going to make a point on Scott Brick though, in terms of

00:31:22.460 the audio book reading, which it's great that she's doing that herself.

00:31:25.100 I mean, it does add the personal touch and I'm sure it's awesome.

00:31:28.760 She's such a charismatic star.

00:31:30.100 And I was going to say with the way that we were, like you don't expect to be as drawn

00:31:34.620 in by her.

00:31:35.260 I mean, she just has something coming from within.

00:31:37.500 She's just an incredible magnetic talent. 0.71

00:31:39.720 She's a great actress. 0.90

00:31:41.040 Great.

00:31:41.400 And what's interesting about the book is she talks about how what she really wanted to

00:31:44.820 be was an actress.

00:31:45.520 She didn't even know something coming from within too.

00:31:48.500 He's we were fans.

00:31:50.000 It just, he was a little off that night.

00:31:52.300 Yeah.

00:31:53.780 She was this kid growing up in that in housing projects in Brooklyn and desperate for a foot 0.86

00:31:59.640 in the entertainment industry.

00:32:00.680 And she really wanted to be an actress.

00:32:02.580 She used to take the subway to go watch Broadway and off Broadway.

00:32:05.720 And she never even knew she could sing her mother who could sing, but didn't have any money

00:32:10.260 had this opportunity where she got to go and record a song in a, in a recording studio,

00:32:14.100 just like for a day.

00:32:15.000 It was, it was something promotional thing.

00:32:17.000 And she dragged Barbara along and Barbara sang a song and people were like, wow, wait, the

00:32:21.120 kid's really good.

00:32:22.020 Before you knew it, she started singing in nightclubs. 0.53

00:32:24.700 And then by 16, 17, she was already becoming a big star, but she's been so famous for so

00:32:32.040 long, you know, like 65 years.

00:32:35.800 She's talking about her encounters with these stars who were in silent movies, you know,

00:32:40.800 like, so anyway, that's what I find interesting about it.

00:32:43.420 And I love that these people are still around to take us back to old Hollywood and old America

00:32:48.360 and old New York.

00:32:50.020 That's half of the fun.

00:32:51.140 That's one of the reasons why I love Diesel, right?

00:32:52.840 Like a window into our past through a really interesting story.

00:32:56.860 But before I finally get around to my point about Scott Brick, I feel like I need to do

00:33:00.660 one more solid for James Brolin.

00:33:02.200 I mean, good for him.

00:33:03.480 I don't want to besmirch the man.

00:33:04.980 Good for him for showing up at a party like disheveled.

00:33:08.140 And like, he, he doesn't give an F.

00:33:09.820 He's like, I'm Barbara and I, we do our thing.

00:33:12.000 We're like king and queen of Malibu.

00:33:13.660 Maybe that's who they thought was the bodyguard.

00:33:15.540 Looking, what's that?

00:33:16.840 Maybe that's who they thought was the bodyguard.

00:33:18.420 Brolin was your bodyguard.

00:33:19.500 Yeah.

00:33:19.860 Because everyone else is so quaffed in like fitted clothing there.

00:33:23.340 And he, he just looked, you know, the contrast of him with like everyone else there was,

00:33:28.240 was amazing.

00:33:29.200 So, but what I was going to say about Scott Brick is that what I found with Diesel is he

00:33:35.760 comes with his own following.

00:33:36.840 Because he read my audio book, I had so many new people come to the Diesel story.

00:33:42.000 Because they'll get anything Scott Brick does.

00:33:44.360 That's cool.

00:33:44.920 He did a great job.

00:33:45.700 He does fiction, nonfiction.

00:33:46.460 He does all kinds of different things.

00:33:48.240 They just love his like performance art of whatever book he does.

00:33:51.420 Yeah.

00:33:51.920 And so they actually do know what he does.

00:33:54.540 You know, you haven't gotten there yet, I guess, in your audio book, consuming career

00:33:58.200 to know who's doing which books.

00:33:59.960 But people just follow Scott Brick and they'll get it if he does it.

00:34:02.780 That's awesome.

00:34:03.440 Good for him.

00:34:04.000 I mean, way to make a career out of a great booming voice.

00:34:06.500 It's not easy.

00:34:07.240 But I do think if it's a memoir, you should read it.

00:34:11.140 I mean, when I read the memoir first, the audio for Settle for More.

00:34:15.540 People need to hear it from you.

00:34:16.800 And you know what?

00:34:17.660 It was kind of cathartic.

00:34:19.500 It was emotional.

00:34:20.540 There were definitely scenes in there, chapter three in particular, where I had to stop a

00:34:24.460 few times because I was crying.

00:34:26.700 It was hard. 0.99

00:34:27.720 You know, you didn't want to be a blubbering fool. 0.98

00:34:29.900 But you also like feeling the emotion is what was natural. 0.98

00:34:33.580 And you want to share that with the audience.

00:34:35.440 I do think audio can really add something.

00:34:37.620 Yeah.

00:34:38.080 Yeah.

00:34:38.300 Yeah.

00:34:39.060 Well, in your case, for sure, in a memoir, like you say.

00:34:42.420 All right.

00:34:42.920 Next question.

00:34:44.800 Dateline or real housewives, if you had to pick one? 0.61

00:34:47.900 Oh, my God.

00:34:48.320 This is like Sophie's Choice.

00:34:51.200 No, it's dateline for sure.

00:34:53.120 But I am not, like if I'm at home and no one else is there, it's so rare, right?

00:34:58.980 To get in the house to yourself when our kids are young.

00:35:01.980 But I'm there.

00:35:02.800 You're not there.

00:35:03.300 The kids aren't there.

00:35:04.260 And I'm making dinner.

00:35:06.120 And I can turn on the television and you want something relatively mindless and entertaining.

00:35:12.740 It will either be Real Housewives or Curb Your Enthusiasm. 1.00

00:35:17.300 Those two both make me laugh.

00:35:19.040 Curb is funny.

00:35:19.680 They're funny.

00:35:20.380 They're just funny for different reasons.

00:35:21.980 And if you watch the Real Housewives, in particular, Miami, that's what I recommend.

00:35:26.180 Used to be Beverly Hills in New York for me, but I've kind of moved on to the Miami girls.

00:35:29.720 You feel like a good person.

00:35:31.720 Because it's so depraved.

00:35:32.980 Which, that's the thing I can't get past.

00:35:34.600 It's like I can't do the Housewives thing.

00:35:36.600 If the roles are reversed, I'm doing Ancient Aliens.

00:35:39.000 If I'm home alone, I know it's around.

00:35:40.240 100%.

00:35:40.420 Or reruns of Lord of the Rings.

00:35:42.200 Yeah.

00:35:42.440 Or like World War II in color.

00:35:44.280 Anything.

00:35:44.640 Yeah.

00:35:44.780 All of those are good.

00:35:46.680 And no one else wants to do with me.

00:35:48.020 So I have to be alone.

00:35:48.980 No, I mean, I just turn right around and walk out when I see that stuff.

00:35:52.200 Yeah.

00:35:52.480 The Housewives, I can't do it except for Mob. 1.00

00:35:55.200 Was it Mob Wives? 1.00

00:35:56.140 Mob Wives. 1.00

00:35:56.580 That one I kind of got into.

00:35:57.840 That was too short-lived.

00:35:58.900 I don't know why that was more interesting to me.

00:36:00.660 But that one I could do, but I couldn't do the others.

00:36:02.460 But it's not religious for me.

00:36:03.680 So it's not like, oh, there's a new season out.

00:36:05.360 You know, it's just like a casual indulgence.

00:36:08.820 Whereas Dateline, you're like, oh, there's a new Dateline.

00:36:10.680 I've seen every single one.

00:36:11.600 Yeah.

00:36:11.840 I mean, multiple times.

00:36:13.140 And now I've lured you into my true crime world.

00:36:15.980 I'm kind of into it, actually.

00:36:17.280 I'm going to say something controversial, but I do think Netflix might be taking over the Dateline stream.

00:36:22.240 Yeah, they're moving in.

00:36:22.760 As top for true crime.

00:36:25.560 And I think people, like in the publishing book world, people have known this for a long time.

00:36:30.800 In fact, the book-buying audience in general is more female than male.

00:36:36.240 But for a Harlan Coben, you know, crime thriller, he's like 80% female readers.

00:36:43.260 Loved Fool Me Once.

00:36:44.600 Harlan, yeah.

00:36:45.620 I brought you over to watch that.

00:36:47.920 First of all, the woman who starred in that is one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen on the screen.

00:36:52.860 But it was well done, you know.

00:36:54.580 We enjoyed that.

00:36:55.760 We enjoyed, what was the one we watched recently with the tennis?

00:36:57.840 That was fun.

00:36:58.940 Apples by Leanne Moriarty.

00:37:01.860 Apples Never Fall.

00:37:02.500 Oh, Apples Never Fall.

00:37:03.180 Yeah, with Sam Neill.

00:37:04.360 That was good.

00:37:05.100 And that Bening.

00:37:05.960 Annette Bening, yeah.

00:37:06.940 Really enjoyed that.

00:37:07.940 That was good.

00:37:08.440 Right now we're neck deep in Palm Royale.

00:37:10.300 But I feel like there's been a drop-off in, you know, 12 years ago when we were doing Breaking Bad and the early seasons of Homeland, the Americans, oh my God.

00:37:21.280 It was so good.

00:37:21.760 Season one finale, best season finale ever.

00:37:25.400 And then they landed the whole show series so well.

00:37:29.100 Yeah.

00:37:29.400 Like Apples Never Fall, they didn't really land that very well.

00:37:32.060 No.

00:37:32.340 The Americans was great.

00:37:32.980 Breaking Bad, Sopranos, of course, was awesome, but even before that.

00:37:37.920 You and I were talking about this.

00:37:39.120 So if you watch a seven-hour series that Netflix presents or whomever, and they don't land it.

00:37:45.480 It's a crime series or it's a mystery and they don't land it.

00:37:47.700 And in the last 30 minutes, you're like, what?

00:37:49.920 What?

00:37:50.360 Yeah.

00:37:50.580 It doesn't erase the six and a half hours of enjoyment you had getting there.

00:37:55.160 No.

00:37:55.380 Kind of like Game of Thrones.

00:37:56.840 Right.

00:37:57.300 It doesn't actually ruin the whole thing for you.

00:37:59.420 You still have some bitterness, some resentment.

00:38:01.700 Yeah.

00:38:01.820 I've triggered you, I see.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, I know.

00:38:03.600 It did trigger me because you have like a lifetime of a bitter aftertaste.

00:38:07.640 Like I had six great hours with that show, but then after like Apples Never Fall, the final episode just got absurd.

00:38:15.360 I don't know what they were, how did that get through the final cut?

00:38:19.740 Could have used a little tweaking.

00:38:21.260 And you know, I love Benioff and Weiss and they, you know, like you say, it was six, seven great years and then just fell to pieces.

00:38:31.180 See, I.

00:38:31.680 And it made me angry.

00:38:32.460 And now I'm like, I'm still like years later, I'm like.

00:38:35.140 I don't feel the same.

00:38:36.020 I'm in news, so I'm used to trying to make the best of things.

00:38:39.180 You compartmentalize.

00:38:40.180 Yeah.

00:38:40.260 Like a good therapized person.

00:38:41.780 That's right.

00:38:42.080 And I look on the bright side in general.

00:38:43.960 So I'm like, I don't, I'm not like they ruined it.

00:38:46.000 I'm like, I got six and a half hours of great TV and that last half hour was eh.

00:38:51.160 But I would still do it again.

00:38:52.500 Would you?

00:38:52.940 Yeah.

00:38:53.040 Okay.

00:38:53.300 That's, I guess that's the litmus test.

00:38:54.880 Because I know like our kids were watching that one with us and we were all into it.

00:38:57.900 We was like appointment television and the family, like, let's go do, we have time for

00:39:01.240 an episode before everyone has to go to bed for school.

00:39:03.820 And so we'd all gather around as a family and watch an episode and we were discussing

00:39:07.300 where it could go and who might've done it and sort of working out the plot as a family

00:39:11.300 of five of us.

00:39:13.920 So it gave us some great nights.

00:39:15.480 Yeah.

00:39:15.980 Well, we've had, I was thinking like on our TV series that we've watched as a family,

00:39:20.880 some are like slightly a bit of a reach in terms of appropriateness, like parenthood.

00:39:26.820 That, the series, not the movie, but it was great.

00:39:30.340 That was magical.

00:39:31.040 It was.

00:39:31.540 We watched it during COVID with the kids.

00:39:33.460 Love that.

00:39:34.560 Modern family is probably the family favorite of all time.

00:39:36.720 Oh my God.

00:39:37.000 Yeah.

00:39:37.160 The funniest.

00:39:38.760 Everyone in the family loves it.

00:39:39.760 That's our palate cleanser too.

00:39:40.540 If we ever watch something that's too scary or too depraved and gross, like what were we

00:39:44.120 just watching the other day?

00:39:45.120 We were just like, I can't go to bed on that.

00:39:47.780 I don't remember, but there's always something.

00:39:49.140 That was like disgusting and awful.

00:39:49.440 And we're like, we got to do 20 minutes of Modern Family just to like reset the brain before we

00:39:53.280 go to bed.

00:39:53.340 Like our friends, we feel like our friends up there, but it's good to have that.

00:39:56.280 It's hard to find something of the whole family, like, especially with Littles.

00:40:00.040 Lost has got to be up there.

00:40:01.440 Lost is great.

00:40:03.100 Rivaling for number one.

00:40:04.620 Anyway, it's fun to, you know, in addition to books, which is of course the subject of

00:40:08.960 this show, a great family series can be fun.

00:40:12.360 And it can be a, you know, my mom taught me that when I was little.

00:40:14.500 She's like, you know, there are different ways of being with your kid.

00:40:16.340 And if you're tired and you just want to sit together and spend some time on the couch,

00:40:21.340 having some popcorn and watching a show, that counts too.

00:40:23.700 But, you know, to your point, books can also be that way.

00:40:25.860 You can read the same book at the same time as your kid.

00:40:28.320 There was that book, Refugee, that Yates and I read.

00:40:31.200 The school actually promoted it.

00:40:32.360 This is like, this is a parent-kid read.

00:40:34.580 Read it at the same time and discuss it with your kid.

00:40:36.220 That was super fun.

00:40:37.660 Oh, so I've got to tell the audience this story now.

00:40:39.440 So as you guys know, Doug is very, very well-read.

00:40:43.120 He's very well-cultured.

00:40:44.880 And me, not so much.

00:40:47.300 That's nonsense.

00:40:48.040 To be perfectly honest, it's fine.

00:40:49.860 I mean, I know a lot about the news.

00:40:51.520 You can like, you have Supreme Court justice level legal acumen.

00:40:56.680 You can talk about anything with anyone.

00:40:58.280 Okay.

00:40:58.640 But not exactly in the book world.

00:41:01.280 But it's funny because it works for whatever reason in our relationship.

00:41:05.640 You know, I have different interests and talents and Doug has his own and they mesh well.

00:41:11.320 And so I'm not going to give you the name, but we had to come up with an alias for some

00:41:17.000 of our addresses where we were living before.

00:41:19.580 And we decided that I would pick half of the name and he would pick half of the name.

00:41:24.120 And suffice it to say that he chose a reference from one of the best literary figures of all

00:41:30.720 time.

00:41:31.140 And I chose something from Willy Wonka.

00:41:35.780 My favorite movie when I was a kid.

00:41:38.340 No, even now.

00:41:39.300 Yeah.

00:41:39.500 Anyway, that's somehow it works.

00:41:41.320 So we have a Willy Wonka vintage movie poster in the house.

00:41:45.000 And we also, Eric Larson was saying that he was inspired to get into journalism through

00:41:49.040 the movie, All the President's Men.

00:41:50.820 We also have a vintage movie poster from All the President's Men.

00:41:54.120 That was a great, great movie.

00:41:55.440 So we're both, we're all represented down there.

00:41:57.340 All right.

00:41:57.620 Next question.

00:41:58.980 This is an easy one.

00:42:00.880 And I think I know the answer.

00:42:03.160 In your household growing up, Jennings, Rather, or Brokaw?

00:42:07.760 Who do you think the answer is?

00:42:09.840 We were Jennings.

00:42:10.920 And I think you were also Jennings.

00:42:12.040 We were Jennings.

00:42:12.680 Yeah.

00:42:12.880 Yeah.

00:42:13.160 Same.

00:42:14.440 We weren't like a big political family, but we would put it on.

00:42:18.440 But my mom, you know, my dad obviously died when I was young.

00:42:22.380 My mom was much more interested in when we could get the Jeffersons on. 1.00

00:42:26.220 We used to watch the Jeffersons every night, especially after my dad died.

00:42:28.780 And she loved putting that on and we would laugh and it would be like a pain reliever.

00:42:33.700 But Jennings was the default.

00:42:34.960 And then my mom remarried a man she met in her widow's group and he never graduated from

00:42:40.880 high school.

00:42:42.240 And Peter Jennings either didn't graduate from high school or didn't go to college.

00:42:47.080 Yeah.

00:42:47.260 And he loved Peter Jennings for that reason.

00:42:49.340 And then we came to journalism and started to meet some of the figures who knew Peter

00:42:55.460 Jennings. 0.99

00:42:56.900 And we found out, remember, that he was kind of an ass, but I don't care. 0.99

00:43:02.440 He was like a radical, honest guy. 0.99

00:43:04.120 Yes.

00:43:04.640 Yeah. 0.99

00:43:05.000 Maybe not an ass. 0.99

00:43:05.820 He was just, he said what he thought. 0.99

00:43:07.400 Well, yeah.

00:43:08.260 There was like- 1.00

00:43:08.940 Maybe an ass. 1.00

00:43:09.460 The way it was described to us was he'd be the first to be washing the dishes at somebody 1.00

00:43:15.520 else's house after dinner.

00:43:17.720 And you'd be like, wow, there he is, Peter Jennings, at the height of his fame, washing

00:43:21.180 our dishes.

00:43:21.780 And then he'd be like, God, that wine you served was truly terrible.

00:43:27.840 Anyway, Jennings, I guess.

00:43:29.320 Jennings.

00:43:29.720 He's great.

00:43:30.220 I just, he had a great voice, had a great presence.

00:43:33.020 I don't know.

00:43:34.560 More and more, there was just some article out saying CNN's getting ready.

00:43:37.680 Like all the cord cutting, CNN's going to like get into streaming there basically.

00:43:40.840 Like not even going to be a-

00:43:41.100 They have no choice.

00:43:42.920 But yeah, those days of like the three network evening news guys are long gone.

00:43:49.120 I really feel like when those three went, that was it.

00:43:51.800 Like it's kind of been a mess ever since.

00:43:54.160 They've never been replaced.

00:43:54.780 Like really since like the late 80s, 90s, it's been a mess.

00:43:57.220 No, like look at David Muir.

00:43:58.440 Seems like a perfectly nice guy.

00:43:59.780 Went to Syracuse, so go orange.

00:44:01.400 Go orange.

00:44:01.780 The looking guy.

00:44:02.740 Delivers the news fine.

00:44:04.340 No one's like, I love David Muir.

00:44:09.020 Or like, it's a tragedy.

00:44:10.380 There's some national news breaking.

00:44:11.840 I need to see David Muir.

00:44:13.340 I've got, tell me what David-

00:44:14.260 Yeah.

00:44:14.760 With all due respect to him.

00:44:15.660 It's just, it's different.

00:44:17.080 When those three guys passed the torch, there was no one standing there.

00:44:19.500 It does not lead the national conversation in any way.

00:44:22.880 It doesn't set the table.

00:44:24.360 By the way, go orange.

00:44:26.640 Stop it.

00:44:27.620 That's not motivating at all.

00:44:29.240 Go orange.

00:44:30.260 Do we have to talk about the fours?

00:44:31.560 The blue devil is, well, the fours, okay.

00:44:36.480 All right.

00:44:36.880 So my high school, Haverford, it's a short form.

00:44:39.440 Like that's, it's short form.

00:44:40.380 There's, there's something pragmatic in there.

00:44:42.000 Go orange.

00:44:42.920 Go Fords?

00:44:43.900 What is that?

00:44:45.140 At least orange is the color.

00:44:46.220 People like it.

00:44:46.860 Yeah.

00:44:47.040 It's like, makes me feel happy.

00:44:48.340 It makes you want to go tackle somebody.

00:44:49.560 Orange.

00:44:50.180 Like a Ford.

00:44:50.820 Go Ford.

00:44:52.060 What's it going to do?

00:44:52.840 Like back over me?

00:44:53.680 All right.

00:44:54.400 All right.

00:44:55.100 It's a draw.

00:44:58.000 Historical person you wish you could pull through time to interview.

00:45:01.560 Rudy Diesel.

00:45:07.300 It would earn me major points with my husband.

00:45:10.220 Huge.

00:45:10.520 And you have made me fascinated by him.

00:45:12.920 Oh, thank you.

00:45:13.740 Rudolph Diesel.

00:45:14.800 I would tell him I went to your whole museum.

00:45:17.500 I've been dragged over.

00:45:18.700 We went all the way to Paris.

00:45:19.740 Hell gone.

00:45:20.000 And we went to the Rudolph Diesel.

00:45:21.600 I was like, Paris.

00:45:22.060 You know what?

00:45:22.440 There is no Rudolph Diesel museum.

00:45:23.740 There is a weird technical museum in the, I think, like third arrondissement of Paris.

00:45:28.880 Yes.

00:45:29.480 That has a diesel engine in it that we went to go see.

00:45:31.680 She was like the most gracious, wonderful mother and wife.

00:45:34.620 Again, back to the heart of the show to go there with me because I was geeking out on that.

00:45:39.500 And then again, to continue our theme, there was Doug like in front of the diesel engines.

00:45:44.300 And we took some pictures, which wound up in your book.

00:45:47.000 And there I was like, look at the cool telephones.

00:45:50.020 And the hairdryer.

00:45:50.940 There was like a hairdryer from like 1960 that was in a museum.

00:45:53.700 There's something for everyone.

00:45:54.560 It takes all kinds.

00:45:57.100 And then there were like a couple like second grade field trips.

00:46:00.920 Like it's you, me, and a bunch of munchkins with their teachers going in this weird museum.

00:46:05.300 But it was an awesome museum.

00:46:07.060 It was a former monastery, a former abbey in Paris.

00:46:09.520 It's the oldest.

00:46:09.980 It's the oldest museum in Paris.

00:46:12.820 My friends were at Gucci and Chanel.

00:46:15.540 I saved us like 10 grand.

00:46:18.600 I was like, we earned money that day.

00:46:21.780 Okay.

00:46:22.500 Person today that you most want to interview.

00:46:25.460 Rudolph Diesel is your answer to the last question.

00:46:27.580 What about today?

00:46:28.740 That's easy.

00:46:29.580 There's no one who comes close to this person.

00:46:32.360 Meghan Markle.

00:46:33.440 Ooh.

00:46:34.420 Yeah.

00:46:34.700 Literally everybody would watch that.

00:46:36.740 They would.

00:46:37.320 That would be amazing.

00:46:39.200 Why did you complain about the size of your castle?

00:46:41.920 That would be my opener.

00:46:44.480 Her PR people are like, this is, this sounds like a great, this is an opportunity.

00:46:47.900 You should go on with her.

00:46:48.940 It's going to go well.

00:46:49.940 I've never seen somebody less self-aware than that woman.

00:46:54.440 I would give anything to sit down.

00:46:56.560 It'd have to be like an hour.

00:46:57.440 You can't do 10 minutes.

00:46:58.480 Yeah.

00:46:59.180 And ask her all of my probing questions.

00:47:02.200 And you know what?

00:47:03.420 She would emerge.

00:47:04.280 She should do it actually.

00:47:05.480 Better off than she began.

00:47:07.060 If she came in there and she were honest and did the whole, like answered all the questions,

00:47:10.840 it would completely allow her to address all the people who are skeptical about her.

00:47:17.000 And then I'd be like.

00:47:17.880 You wouldn't be nasty.

00:47:20.220 You'd be skeptical.

00:47:21.080 Well, I might ask her why she killed the queen. 0.96

00:47:23.620 Well, that would be mean.

00:47:26.280 That'd be the martini. 0.54

00:47:29.700 But she totally did kill the queen. 1.00

00:47:31.800 She should do it. 0.61

00:47:32.400 Who added more stress to the queen's life? 1.00

00:47:34.000 I'll fix the martinis.

00:47:35.460 Okay.

00:47:35.820 You should do it.

00:47:36.460 That would be a lot of fun.

00:47:37.340 All right.

00:47:37.880 I'll eliminate that one, but I'm going to be tough on her.

00:47:40.480 I don't know in what world this could ever happen, but if it could, that would be my number one.

00:47:45.340 No, it'll never happen.

00:47:46.420 She's a fascinating character for this reason, because she literally put herself on deal or no deal and then got upset that people didn't want to hear her opinion.

00:47:55.040 Anything more than what's in the suitcase number 40.

00:47:58.000 She was mad.

00:47:58.760 She thought it was a sexist attack. 0.94

00:48:00.460 You've read the job description.

00:48:02.200 This is what you applied for.

00:48:03.160 Right.

00:48:03.360 She wanted to opine on what the nuclear code should be.

00:48:06.240 I don't.

00:48:06.740 Anyway.

00:48:07.860 Well, that would be fine.

00:48:08.740 100% of the planet would watch that.

00:48:10.040 I feel like I'm not doing lightning.

00:48:11.100 I feel like this is more like a long, drawn out, like a hurricane that sits over you for a couple of days.

00:48:16.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:16.540 We've morphed lightning a little bit into like sort of like a nor'easter.

00:48:21.080 My bad.

00:48:22.440 No, this is great.

00:48:23.200 This is great.

00:48:25.740 Let's see.

00:48:26.920 Oh, you know, the reason I wanted to ask that question was, I have my notes here, that I remember back in the Obama administration, you were like, I want to interview Eric Holder.

00:48:34.840 Because, I mean, you're a legal.

00:48:36.120 That would have been a dream.

00:48:37.040 You're the best legal-minded journalist out there.

00:48:41.380 And that would have been an amazing interview.

00:48:44.340 But, of course, he wouldn't do it.

00:48:45.420 And so there are a number of people that, like, you can get anybody you want to come on, except for the people who are a little like, this might not end well for me.

00:48:52.300 Yeah.

00:48:52.940 That would have been amazing because I really would have liked to have held him to account for some of the crazy overreaches of the Obama Justice Department.

00:49:03.740 This is not a political show, so I won't go there.

00:49:05.640 But I've got a lot of questions for him.

00:49:07.460 And I've got a lot of questions for Merrick Garland.

00:49:11.140 I just have a very different view of what our Department of Justice should be doing.

00:49:14.720 And just how grossly unfair both of those guys have been when it comes to messaging around police.

00:49:21.380 And, sorry.

00:49:21.900 Okay.

00:49:22.180 Anyway.

00:49:23.080 All right.

00:49:23.600 Well, everyone watch that one, too.

00:49:25.980 Most difficult interview you've ever had?

00:49:32.140 You know, that's tough to say.

00:49:34.780 Like, interviewing Trump is tricky.

00:49:36.760 It's tricky.

00:49:37.400 He's, you know, a stream of consciousness.

00:49:40.400 And you know how he communicates.

00:49:41.900 It's very effective, but it's very repetitive.

00:49:44.960 And he doesn't really break for you to interrupt.

00:49:48.080 So he's very challenging because you must interrupt him.

00:49:50.980 And now even more so that he's been president because there's a certain level of deference and respect that is owed.

00:49:56.900 Yeah, you can't just cut him off at every moment.

00:49:58.760 He's there.

00:49:59.460 I don't know if I'd call him the most difficult, though.

00:50:01.200 I mean, I would say, like, what's coming to mind when you say that is there was one night on Fox News when I was doing the Kelly File.

00:50:07.280 And this poor man, his daughter was a journalist, and she had been killed that day by a stalker who had shot her to death.

00:50:17.120 And it was on camera.

00:50:19.880 And he was our lead.

00:50:22.900 He agreed to come on the night his daughter had been murdered.

00:50:26.780 What year was that?

00:50:27.500 I kind of remember that.

00:50:28.400 I want to say 2015 or 16.

00:50:31.080 Yeah, I have a vague memory of that.

00:50:32.380 And he came on, and we had to run a package about his daughter's death for the audience so they knew what we were talking about.

00:50:41.680 And I just remember he was upset having seen the package.

00:50:45.660 Like, he didn't, you know, we were doing the news.

00:50:47.920 But I just felt so bad for this man, and I remember it was really tough.

00:50:53.120 Like, that is, frankly, more of a local news thing where you find somebody who's just been through a terrible tragedy and then you put them on TV.

00:50:59.300 And I'm not condemning it because it is part of gathering news.

00:51:03.960 But we did it that night on our show, and I just, all I wanted to do was give this man a hug.

00:51:09.540 And, you know, I had to ask him, you know, probing questions.

00:51:12.200 He was there because he wanted to be there, and he was announcing that night a scholarship in his daughter's name.

00:51:18.300 Those are the ones that stand out at me where, like, someone's hurting, and you have to ask them tough questions.

00:51:22.800 Or not tough questions, but any questions.

00:51:24.380 I mean, covering, like, the Virginia Tech stuff, you've done a lot of the Boston Marathon.

00:51:29.980 You've done some dark.

00:51:30.360 Virginia Tech was terrible.

00:51:31.340 I was there on campus when it was, you know, still unfolding, and it was just, those, I mean, Newtown, after Newtown, and I was pregnant with Thatcher when that happened.

00:51:42.640 Yeah, that's right.

00:51:43.300 I remember talking to Janice Dean, who's Thatcher's now godmother, and she's one of my best friends, and meteorologist at Fox.

00:51:53.360 And we were getting the numbers on the desk and saying, J.D., how am I going to do this?

00:51:57.480 I'm going to go out there.

00:51:59.340 And she was crying, too.

00:52:00.800 You know, she's like, M.K., you can do it.

00:52:02.560 You know, you can do it.

00:52:03.200 Just be strong.

00:52:04.740 But that, just covering it from my anchor desk, never mind the poor, you know, people who were there, surrounded by the families,

00:52:11.840 that was probably one of the greatest challenges.

00:52:14.680 News is dark.

00:52:15.880 This is why when our 10-year-old goes off on his field trips, Megan's yelling at the car window, like, 0.72

00:52:19.800 don't let anyone touch you in your private places.

00:52:22.200 Well, it's important to bring life's lessons.

00:52:25.940 Poor Thatcher's like, what? 1.00

00:52:28.460 I'm like, we've gone over this.

00:52:30.320 What do you mean, what?

00:52:31.960 But, look.

00:52:33.180 But your world, it brings in lots of light, too.

00:52:35.420 Like, you have so many, like, you know, as we were saying earlier with my conversations with other writers

00:52:40.000 and how much, I don't know, wisdom and funness that brings into the household.

00:52:45.020 Your job also does that, in addition to the darkness and the terrible stories.

00:52:49.320 If you can't find a way to laugh about the news, even on the darkest of days, you're doing it wrong.

00:52:55.820 You're in the wrong business.

00:52:57.140 And one of the things I love about news is how absurd it can be.

00:52:59.580 You know, just recently, some of the pro-Palestinian protesters were complaining about how they'd been attacked with chemical weapons on the Columbia campus.

00:53:12.240 Well, it turned out it was a fart spray.

00:53:18.200 I'm sorry, but if you missed that story, you failed in your job as a journalist.

00:53:22.520 That's just too fun. 0.99

00:53:23.600 And by the way, the fart spray was called liquid ass. 0.98

00:53:27.380 Who wouldn't report on that? 0.99

00:53:29.260 This is 100% your brand of humor.

00:53:31.940 100%.

00:53:32.820 It's amazing.

00:53:34.600 It's just completely fun.

00:53:35.220 And a little bit mine.

00:53:35.960 Like, even more so you than me, really.

00:53:37.520 It's amazing.

00:53:38.120 Oh, you're just as bad as I am.

00:53:41.540 All right.

00:53:42.020 Well, on that note, most fun interview you've ever had.

00:53:46.260 So, I would say, like, on my show now, I'm having the most fun I've ever had as a journalist.

00:53:54.440 And in general, there have been a lot of shows where we laugh a lot.

00:53:58.420 But in general, I love when the guys from the fifth column come on.

00:54:02.780 Those guys are great.

00:54:03.720 And the guys from Ruthless.

00:54:04.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:05.540 They're all very smart guys.

00:54:07.160 The fifth column is a bunch of libertarians.

00:54:08.640 And Ruthless is a bunch of conservative operatives who get people elected on the right side of the aisle.

00:54:15.260 But they're all these guys with great senses of humor.

00:54:20.440 And they make me laugh.

00:54:22.480 And I laugh at them.

00:54:23.620 It's just, it's two hours, because my show is two hours long.

00:54:27.200 One and a half, once it's been taken off SiriusXM and put out in podcast.

00:54:31.180 And they're where we just cry sometimes.

00:54:33.280 We laugh so hard.

00:54:33.920 But smart analysis of the news, too.

00:54:36.340 So, that's the sweet spot.

00:54:38.160 And you do a great job of, like, keeping those guys all together.

00:54:41.800 You know, because they have so many fun things to say.

00:54:43.860 It's like this rabble-rousing crew. 1.00

00:54:45.880 But you're sort of, like, making sure the, I don't know, the trains run on time or whatever.

00:54:51.160 But you kind of bring it all home.

00:54:52.920 Those are super fun episodes to listen to.

00:54:54.720 When we get to, you know, the day, the week before, you know, my team will go over with me the bookings the week before they hit.

00:55:01.520 And, you know, when I hear that one of those guys is coming up, one of those shows, I get excited.

00:55:06.860 I get happy.

00:55:07.500 I'm like, it's going to be a great, fun, relatively easy day.

00:55:10.700 Yeah.

00:55:10.920 Because there are also people who are steeped in the news.

00:55:13.240 Yeah.

00:55:14.120 And they're just funny.

00:55:15.280 It's hard to find people who can talk really well on camera or on audio who are both really smart and really funny.

00:55:23.300 Yeah.

00:55:23.760 And relatable, right?

00:55:25.360 You do almost the impossible thing.

00:55:26.800 Because it's all of those things.

00:55:28.320 But it's also informative.

00:55:29.180 Like, you're getting all the news.

00:55:31.300 But you're laughing half the time.

00:55:32.760 Whereas the rest of the world's crying or angry.

00:55:36.060 You're doing it in a way that's actually kind of fun.

00:55:38.240 Which is, I don't know, anywhere else where that's happening.

00:55:40.600 Oh, well, some days we're angry.

00:55:42.300 But it'd be 80-20, I would say.

00:55:45.220 You know, happy warrior to angry warrior.

00:55:47.940 Yeah.

00:55:48.460 All right.

00:55:48.920 Last question for Megyn Kelly on this special Mother's Day episode.

00:55:52.800 One piece of advice for the audience.

00:55:54.520 Well, I have a lot of thoughts on a lot of things.

00:55:59.340 So I guess I'll try to limit this one to motherhood.

00:56:03.920 And I would say probably the best thing I think we've done as parents and that I would recommend to others is straight out of the dog training handbook, which is ignore the negative and reward the positive.

00:56:20.880 And I do think that's one of the key ways in which you produce a great kid.

00:56:25.980 I haven't thought about that that way.

00:56:27.640 That's great.

00:56:28.220 Yeah.

00:56:28.500 I love that.

00:56:29.080 Well, you know, our friend Lisa Schroeder is a dog trainer.

00:56:31.220 She has been very important, although Strudwick is a lost cause.

00:56:35.820 No, he's too far.

00:56:36.900 He's actually regressed to peeing in the house again.

00:56:39.000 Oh, just when you discover that, you're like, this dog's a problem.

00:56:44.240 We know.

00:56:45.120 There's a whole newsletter about it.

00:56:46.360 That was quoting me from last night.

00:56:47.920 This dog is a problem.

00:56:49.080 I'm like, why is the living room starting to smell like pee?

00:56:51.400 We literally have a plastic carpet because of him.

00:56:53.980 Our carpet is made out of plastic.

00:56:56.100 But anyway, she, that's her big thing in training animals. 1.00

00:57:00.440 And I think, you know, we've been taking that same approach to our kids.

00:57:04.480 We, as much as possible, ignore the negative.

00:57:07.380 I mean, some things are so egregious, they actually have to be punished.

00:57:09.620 But for the most part, we give them no attention.

00:57:12.640 And the good things we constantly point out, constantly point out.

00:57:16.060 And I do think that's very, very important to raising a good kid.

00:57:18.860 That's great.

00:57:20.060 Well, honey, I love you.

00:57:21.140 Happy Mother's Day.

00:57:22.100 Love you too, babe.

00:57:23.660 Thanks for making me a mom.

00:57:26.240 All right.

00:57:27.280 That's a wrap.

00:57:28.200 That was awesome.

00:57:28.760 Thank you.

00:57:29.100 Was that like an R-rated way to end?

00:57:31.420 Are people picturing something naughty?

00:57:33.760 How so?

00:57:34.700 You know, you making me a mom.

00:57:36.740 Oh, exactly.

00:57:39.100 Thanks for betting me.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 11, 2024

Megyn Kelly： Special Mother’s Day episode of ＂Dedicated with Doug Brunt＂

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