The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn's Response to Clooney, Hegseth Saga Gets Personal, and Stopping Alzheimer's, with Rich Lowry, MBD, and Dr. Dale Bredesen ｜ Ep. 1055

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.820 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.940 We begin on the subject of George Clooney, who is busy trying to look 30 years younger than he actually is with weirdly dyed jet black hair, trying his hand on Broadway.

00:00:26.040 Anyway, he's starring in a play about Edward R. Murrow because Clooney fancies himself a journalist, you see, and has lots of thoughts on how journalists need to do journalism.

00:00:36.720 Like he does it, mainly. You know, like stumbling upon the biggest story of the decade that a sitting president is mentally infirm and ought to be 25th Amendment-ed right out of office, and then burying it, saying absolutely nothing for weeks on end.

00:00:50.800 And then only after that president humiliates himself on the national stage at a presidential debate, and then refuses to step down as the entire Democrat Party watches its electoral chances up and down the ticket go swirling down the toilet,

00:01:05.860 finally decides to write an op-ed in the New York Times saying Joe Biden is not up for the job.

00:01:12.340 That's not journalism, George. It's cowardice, followed by naked partisanship.

00:01:17.980 You're not fooling anyone. So, now he's starring in this Broadway show.

00:01:24.820 By the way, what's the matter, George? Are the Hollywood roles getting a little hard to come by as you age and get decidedly more smug and self-congratulatory?

00:01:31.600 I'm just asking.

00:01:33.320 And chooses to finish this show by lecturing the audience on how journalism ought to be done.

00:01:39.240 Speaking as Edward R. Murrow, he warns about the ongoing struggle for truth and integrity in the media.

00:01:46.700 Truth and integrity about the potential for the media to be manipulated and used for propaganda.

00:01:55.020 Apparently, he ends the whole thing with a video montage featuring, as the show closes,

00:02:00.460 yours truly, and Elon Musk doing a, quote, Nazi salute.

00:02:05.760 Okay.

00:02:07.000 Because Elon Musk and I are the dangers George Clooney fears.

00:02:11.460 Not the propaganda that was pushed on us for four years by his favorite leftist, so-called journalists,

00:02:19.060 that President Biden was fined, that these were all cheap fakes we were seeing.

00:02:22.920 Or for the four years before that, that President Trump was a Russian asset.

00:02:27.700 But propaganda that would dare to defend anything done by Donald Trump.

00:02:33.040 That's all propaganda, you see.

00:02:34.920 Any defense of Trump is the dangerous propaganda of which he speaks.

00:02:39.820 That's a violation of truth and integrity in media.

00:02:44.220 By the way, one of Clooney's favorite news anchors, not for nothing, is Chris Wallace,

00:02:47.640 who shut down any discussion of Hunter Biden's ties to Ukraine or China at a presidential debate

00:02:54.280 as entirely irrelevant and off-limits.

00:02:56.180 That's his fave.

00:02:57.820 So our pal Georgie got wind of the fact that this show mocked him for trying to lecture anyone

00:03:04.980 on journalism, especially given the timeline on his own disclosures about Mr. Biden.

00:03:10.720 Refresher.

00:03:11.600 He hosted a fundraiser for Biden on June 15th, in which Mr. Biden could barely walk or talk.

00:03:17.100 His appearance was so alarming that it was in the news for two weeks after, as it was clear

00:03:23.540 he had to be escorted offstage by Barack Obama.

00:03:26.240 Remember?

00:03:27.200 A debate was raging in the news right then about whether Mr. Biden was fit to be president,

00:03:33.980 never mind, for a second term.

00:03:35.500 And Clooney said nothing, absolutely nothing.

00:03:40.280 Then came the disastrous presidential debate on June 23rd.

00:03:43.640 And as calls grew steadily louder for Joe Biden to drop out, but he refused, that's when Clooney

00:03:50.700 finally came out with an op-ed on July 10th, admitting to some of what he had seen a month

00:03:57.040 earlier.

00:03:57.920 He only spoke up when he saw the Democrats' electoral prospects swirling down the drain.

00:04:04.300 But now he wants full credit for speaking truth to power and is even lecturing other Democrats for

00:04:09.740 not doing their part.

00:04:10.840 You know, some in my party weren't telling the truth, he said in an interview.

00:04:15.500 In any event, I guess we heard his thin-skinned Hollywood feelings here on the show because

00:04:18.680 these big stars, they're not very good at taking criticism.

00:04:21.900 You see, they're surrounded by yes-men, managers, agents, PR folks who tell them that their every

00:04:28.960 idea is brilliant, every thought a treasure, nothing but profundity coming out of George

00:04:34.320 Clooney's mouth.

00:04:35.380 Maybe that'll give me an invitation to one of his swanky Hollywood parties.

00:04:39.760 So he and Broadway's biggest and oldest bully, Patti LuPone, remember when she screamed at

00:04:47.440 a ticket-holding audience member for not wearing a mask?

00:04:51.120 Watch.

00:04:51.360 Put your mask over your nose.

00:04:53.960 That's why you're in the theater.

00:04:55.860 That is the rule. 0.99

00:04:56.980 If you don't want to follow the rule, get the fuck out. 0.99

00:04:59.740 Who do you think you are if you do not respect the people that are sitting around you? 0.99

00:05:09.840 Your salary. 1.00

00:05:11.220 You paid my salary for bullshit. 1.00

00:05:13.760 Chris Harper pays my salary. 1.00

00:05:15.580 Excuse me.

00:05:16.420 Who do you think you are?

00:05:18.320 Give me a hand. 0.94

00:05:20.440 Just put your mask over your nose.

00:05:24.600 She's an angry woman, very angry, like so many leftist women. 0.93

00:05:28.680 So she and George get together and they start navel-gazing on stage about themselves, of

00:05:35.140 course, and their vaunted profession, and how bad, how just terrible the media is, and

00:05:41.660 had the following exchange.

00:05:43.820 What we do in this is we talk about the responsibility of journalists to hold truth to power, right?

00:05:50.380 That's our goal.

00:05:51.620 And so if you're doing that, and we don't tell people what to think when we show that

00:05:56.780 montage at the end, for instance, you see Megyn Kelly, who's come out and said, you know,

00:06:01.600 I'm not a journalist.

00:06:02.500 I didn't say I was a journalist.

00:06:04.200 Neither she, by the way.

00:06:05.400 Anyway.

00:06:06.100 But I'm not quite sure what she's done.

00:06:07.720 I've at least been to, you know, Darfur and Sudan and the Congo and been shot at to try

00:06:13.800 to get stories out.

00:06:14.920 And I'm not quite sure what she's done to be a journalist.

00:06:16.920 Having said that, we only show her words in this play.

00:06:21.460 We don't tell people what to think.

00:06:23.620 It's not out of context.

00:06:25.340 We don't manipulate it.

00:06:27.080 We literally just go, these are your words.

00:06:31.140 He actually thinks I'm objecting to something he put on his show about me.

00:06:34.700 I have no idea what you put on your show about me.

00:06:36.220 I couldn't care less, sir.

00:06:37.280 I was mocking you for trying to lecture journalists on how to do journalism based on your own failure

00:06:43.220 to speak truth to power.

00:06:44.960 That's what you, you failed.

00:06:46.660 You only did it when you knew your candidate was going to cost you up and down the ballot.

00:06:51.500 And so Mr. Clooney is not quite sure what yours truly has done to be a journalist, which

00:06:56.740 surprised me not at all.

00:06:58.420 Not at all.

00:06:59.140 Why would he know anything about the journalism career I have had?

00:07:01.880 Absolutely none of my stories held any interest for George Clooney.

00:07:06.460 Of that, I have no doubt.

00:07:08.400 You see, I've spent the past 20 years interviewing people like Suzette Kilo, who owned the little

00:07:14.020 pink house that got seized by her local government, declaring government domain, a decision that

00:07:21.220 went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, like the cake baker in Colorado, who didn't

00:07:25.220 want to bake a gay wedding cake because it violated his religious beliefs. 0.99

00:07:29.080 Oh, and by the way, also the gay couple he offended. 0.87

00:07:30.980 People like triple and quadruple amputees back from Iraq and Afghanistan, who the Hollywood 1.00

00:07:38.600 class looked down upon, actually loathed, judged, and treated like scum because they didn't like 0.95

00:07:46.300 those wars. 0.99

00:07:47.180 Not like the Ukraine war.

00:07:48.720 No, not at all.

00:07:49.440 What did you do to help the hundreds of men I featured on my Fox News show year after year,

00:07:56.920 George, to help find housing and help for them, to help them rehabilitate their lives?

00:08:02.300 I didn't see you.

00:08:04.080 I see you went to Darfur.

00:08:05.580 That's great.

00:08:06.580 What about our guys?

00:08:08.040 Because I never saw you at a Tunnel to Towers fundraiser, at a gathering for our Navy SEALs,

00:08:12.780 and I've been to many of them, I never saw you at any of the public appearances that I've

00:08:20.960 attended, where our injured soldiers are just back from war, seeking a helping hand.

00:08:26.260 I guess you never saw the interviews I've done of the Medal of Honors winners.

00:08:31.220 They weren't very interesting to you, like Dakota Meyer.

00:08:34.160 You didn't want to hear his story about the overwhelming sacrifice he made for this country,

00:08:39.280 both on the battlefield and then back home, where had it not been for a guardian angel

00:08:44.300 looking over him, he would have taken that gun, it would have had bullets in it, and he

00:08:49.780 would have taken his life in a truck one day.

00:08:52.640 Did you miss that one, George?

00:08:55.160 You didn't make that story into a movie, did you?

00:08:58.060 No, it's been mostly Mark Wahlberg who shows any interest in our troops.

00:09:03.980 I guess you never saw my interview with detransitioner Chloe Cole on what the gender

00:09:09.160 cult has done to our young girls, or with Peyton McNabb after she suffered permanent nerve damage

00:09:14.060 from a trans volleyball player, or with Patriot Barbie, aka Lindsey Graham, who explained to

00:09:19.540 our audience how the draconian lockdowns and intentional ruination of her business in Oregon

00:09:24.540 during COVID led to her finding herself at the U.S. Capitol on January 6th.

00:09:32.260 No, you had no interest in stories like that, that actually probed the minds of regular Americans

00:09:39.760 and found out why they did the things you only had an urge to demonize in your elite Hollywood

00:09:46.540 circles.

00:09:47.320 That's not the kind of fearless journalism you're talking about.

00:09:51.420 I could go on, George.

00:09:53.220 The school and mass shootings I've had to cover with tear-stained faces all around me.

00:09:59.180 The women who told me their stories of domestic abuse or sexual assault or rape.

00:10:05.280 The women who accused Trump, George, you should have liked that one. 0.98

00:10:09.100 And those who accused Joe Biden, too.

00:10:12.340 Wonder if you saw that one.

00:10:13.940 It also got buried by your favorite media stars.

00:10:17.900 I guess these stories never made it on your radar.

00:10:20.040 You were too busy in your $100 million Lake Como mansion or at one of your five other homes

00:10:26.000 running about the stage pretending to be a journalist who speaks truth to power.

00:10:33.180 Now, you tell us in that soundbite you even got shot at one time.

00:10:37.020 And even that turns out to be a lie consistent with your others.

00:10:40.720 You've told the story many times.

00:10:42.000 You need to be more careful if you're going to lie like this on camera.

00:10:44.600 You once had a gun pulled on you by a kid in Darfur more than 20 years ago. 1.00

00:10:50.480 Only now with Patti LuPone, who you accurately deduce is a moron who will never check. 0.99

00:10:55.880 Did you change it to you actually got shot at? 0.99

00:10:58.480 That didn't happen.

00:11:00.340 George, this is not the kind of truth and integrity we want in our profession.

00:11:06.200 So no, it's no surprise that Clooney has not seen much of my work.

00:11:10.820 Not my six presidential debates.

00:11:12.340 Not my sit-downs with Trump, Putin, Modi, Netanyahu.

00:11:15.300 His world is the world of entertainment and cosplaying human rights advocate on the arm of his wife.

00:11:23.000 You know, the one who followed the professional wrestler he used to date.

00:11:26.760 Maybe in the next decade, he'll catch a show or two.

00:11:30.140 And catch on to the kind of journalism that has made this show consistently one of, if not the,

00:11:37.420 top news shows in the country, over 2 billion views and news some call relentlessly factual.

00:11:45.940 George, joining me today, Rich Lowry and Michael Brendan Doherty of National Review.

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00:12:50.640 Guys, great to see you.

00:12:52.100 Welcome back.

00:12:52.740 Thank you for having us.

00:12:53.740 And is it any surprise?

00:12:55.340 Is it any surprise to you, Rich Lowry, that George Clooney has, quote, no idea what I've done to call myself a journalist?

00:13:02.600 No, of course not.

00:13:03.580 Classic Hollywood phenomenon.

00:13:05.560 He plays someone in a movie or writes a movie about someone and then thinks he has great insight to what that is.

00:13:12.360 Maybe he's kind of one himself.

00:13:14.020 Clearly he says, I'm not a journalist.

00:13:15.240 But then he said he did this journalistic thing, exposing the truth in Darfur.

00:13:20.200 Yeah, so good for him for his activism there.

00:13:24.180 But look, he lied at the very least by omission about Joe Biden, right?

00:13:29.740 He hosts this fundraiser in Hollywood.

00:13:33.060 Everyone sees what's happening.

00:13:34.740 Everyone sees him freeze on stage.

00:13:37.000 Everyone knows he has debilitated to some extent or other.

00:13:40.740 And no one says anything.

00:13:42.740 And when all of us pointed out who watched it with their own eyes, they said we are making it up.

00:13:47.840 I don't know whether Clooney actually said we are making it up.

00:13:49.720 They certainly was fine with everyone saying that we made it up.

00:13:53.220 And then the debate happens.

00:13:54.700 They can't deny it anymore.

00:13:56.480 Then he comes out with his op-ed.

00:13:58.000 Everyone knew he was not the same man that we had seen before.

00:14:01.780 So for him to lecture anyone, anyone, even someone who doesn't have your journalistic record on what fact, telling the truth is, even if it hurts, and what being factual is, is a complete travesty.

00:14:16.280 Yeah.

00:14:17.180 That's the thing, MBD, is you know as well as I do that George Clooney probably consumes news mostly on MSNBC.

00:14:23.840 The reason he liked Chris Wallace is because Chris started to openly lean much more leftward in his interviews, etc.

00:14:33.160 And he doesn't have any interest, George Clooney, in the Suzette kilos of the world. 0.89

00:14:38.700 He has zero desire to find out what the COVID lockdowns did to regular Americans and what might have driven somebody to show up at the Capitol on J6.

00:14:48.900 Those stories are beneath George Clooney, as does he feel the rest of us are.

00:14:54.720 Yeah, and I worry that there's no core of real conviction with George Clooney.

00:14:59.680 I mean, his first major kind of political statement as an artist was a movie Three Kings that criticized George H.W. Bush for not finishing the job in Iraq and carrying on an invasion all the way to Baghdad.

00:15:15.080 Years later, of course, when it was no longer in Democrats' partisan interest to make an argument like that, he abandoned it like a cheap date.

00:15:24.560 So, like, again, there has just been a theme of raw partisanship, but dressed up as higher principle.

00:15:31.800 And it just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

00:15:37.280 And why would it?

00:15:38.940 Again, like, we shouldn't necessarily be looking to Hollywood for any kind of guidance in politics.

00:15:46.040 And what's amazing to me is that if he's going to take the time to lecture American journalists on how to do their job, that now's the time he chooses to do it.

00:15:56.520 Right, Rich?

00:15:57.000 Like, now, once again, democracy dies in darkness.

00:16:01.180 That grews back.

00:16:02.280 Yeah, right.

00:16:02.740 They went totally silent during the four years of Joe Biden.

00:16:06.460 And it's not like he didn't do things to excess.

00:16:09.160 It's not like he didn't ignore our laws.

00:16:11.440 It's not like he didn't, you know, open the southern border, you know, like all those things.

00:16:16.200 He had absolutely no interest in lecturing the press on how to do their job, even though they went totally silent during those years.

00:16:23.580 It's only now that Trump's back in office that he feels the need to remind us of our responsibility to truth and integrity.

00:16:31.580 Yeah, there are a lot of things that are shrouded in darkness.

00:16:33.900 One, the president's condition, which we talked about.

00:16:35.860 We're still learning more about what people on the inside knew and saw and did, yeah, by the day.

00:16:42.240 The border, again, these were things that were out in the open.

00:16:45.120 So the operation to hide them did not succeed because people could see with their own eyes.

00:16:48.880 But they didn't acknowledge that, again, until late in 2024, the middle of 2024, that finally realized, oh, this is going to get Donald Trump elected.

00:16:55.940 We at least should try to do something about it.

00:16:57.840 And then just the insanity of the trans stuff. 1.00

00:17:00.820 And there's some cracks there.

00:17:02.020 They're just cracks, right?

00:17:03.200 It seems it's brave in the Democratic context for Gavin Newsom to say, oh, yeah, there's a fairness issue for male if a male plays in a female sport.

00:17:11.000 But they tried to hide all that.

00:17:12.560 They tried to gaslight us all on that.

00:17:14.820 They said we're hateful, retrograde, purveyors of disinformation, all the rest.

00:17:19.540 But the public could see the truth, which is a big reason that Donald Trump won last November.

00:17:24.040 You know, like most of these Hollywood people, MBD, he doesn't have a grip on the facts and he hasn't.

00:17:30.060 But he's spoken out about many news stories in an effort to sway public opinion.

00:17:35.100 And and probably the one that comes to mind next after Biden was the Breonna Taylor case down in Kentucky where he's from.

00:17:43.320 So he came out after these officers executed a so-called no knock warrant, though they did knock and they went into the facility, this this apartment.

00:17:54.500 And this woman, Breonna Taylor, was shot and killed as they had a shootout with her boyfriend who was in the hallway and shot first at cops.

00:18:04.220 Her boyfriend shot first at cops who had announced themselves in any event.

00:18:10.540 He spoke out about it and said her name was Breonna Taylor and she was shot to death in her bed by three white police officers, which wasn't true.

00:18:21.340 Breonna Taylor was not asleep in her bed.

00:18:23.980 She got up, too, and came out in the hallway and was standing next to her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker,

00:18:29.440 as the officers announced their presence, knocked six times and then resorted to a forced entry.

00:18:34.960 This guy, Walker, admitted that he fired the first shot and he hit.

00:18:38.700 He hit an officer in the femur.

00:18:39.960 The guy almost bled to death.

00:18:41.620 Her ex-boyfriend was up to his neck in drug deals and she was seen on tape with this guy going to retrieve packages with him, going to a trap house and so on.

00:18:50.960 The media wants you to believe she was squeaky clean.

00:18:52.760 George Clooney wanted us to believe she was she had absolutely no connection to anyone or anything nefarious. 0.97

00:18:57.720 And that while she was asleep, completely innocent in her bed, three white cops just executed her because she's black. 0.99

00:19:03.940 That was the implication. 0.98

00:19:05.160 Very clear.

00:19:06.020 He was wrong on the facts.

00:19:07.000 He was wrong on the implications.

00:19:08.000 But that's what the Hollywood knee jerk reaction is to news like that.

00:19:12.960 And this guy now feels the need to lecture us about truth and integrity in reporting the facts.

00:19:21.300 Right.

00:19:21.860 And remember, like, this is a guy who who jumped on the story because he's from Kentucky.

00:19:27.860 When was the last time he was in Kentucky?

00:19:29.600 This is a man who spends his time on Lake Como and in Los Angeles.

00:19:33.520 And while he was in Lake Como and Los Angeles, there was a huge news story that he could have shown some light on about Harvey Weinstein.

00:19:43.340 Where was George?

00:19:44.300 Well, he says, oh, well, we knew Harvey liked girls, but we didn't know anything wrong was happening.

00:19:49.440 Well, what?

00:19:50.880 What was that?

00:19:51.740 I mean, at least, you know, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck made like a penitent film, you know, set in the Middle Ages about sexual assault.

00:20:02.180 George Clooney just sidestepped the whole thing as if he didn't know anything about Harvey Weinstein or about the casting couch culture in Hollywood.

00:20:10.960 And that's a story he actually could have shown some light on.

00:20:15.760 And yet he goes on, you know, the Academy Awards and congratulates himself and Hollywood for, quote, being out of touch with the rest of the country and being ahead of things like, you know, civil rights or gay rights, etc.

00:20:32.180 I just, you know, there's no real record of substance there from him where it would have counted.

00:20:39.340 Again, it's just he he has, you know, he is a filmmaker.

00:20:44.460 He has a taste for story.

00:20:46.040 And so the narrative of what, you know, he thinks should have happened in Kentucky fills his mind.

00:20:53.740 And then he knows better than the cops what the standard operating procedure should be.

00:20:58.320 I mean, it's a joke.

00:20:59.220 Right. Without doing any, you know, homework to look into it.

00:21:03.640 Of course, the subject of Kentucky came up with this loudmouth Patti LuPone, and he had to mention the Confederate flags.

00:21:10.340 Like, that's the first thing that came to his mind in discussing his home state is the Confederate flags that he sees when he goes back to visit his parents in Kentucky.

00:21:18.660 Nice. That's yes, because that's what Kentucky is all about.

00:21:21.840 When you think Kentucky, you think Confederate flag and the Confederacy.

00:21:25.800 I mean, that's his mindset. I really do believe this guy's obviously his his career is waning.

00:21:32.420 His biggest days are behind him.

00:21:34.540 I'm convinced he married this Amal Clooney just because he wanted to make himself seem like a more serious person.

00:21:39.340 So he found some human rights lawyer that would legitimize him because I guess he didn't feel that way with the professional wrestler.

00:21:45.400 And now parades around Hollywood like he's some sort of dignitary, like he's had some ambassador work under his belt.

00:21:53.820 It's it's not true. You actually have to study.

00:21:57.180 I'm glad he went to Darfur. I'm glad he went to Sudan. 1.00

00:21:59.340 But I mean, the fact is, George Clooney must not know anything if he doesn't know that I'm a journalist.

00:22:05.340 I mean, truly, like not to toot my own horn, but like I think literally anybody who watches the news regularly in America would know that and would have some idea of some of the highlights because they have gone everywhere in certain instances.

00:22:18.580 So this is George is being I only watch CNN or MS.

00:22:23.060 I'm above it all. But I am in a position to lecture you lowly American losers, especially the MAGA folks on what you need to be a good, informed person.

00:22:34.520 So good luck with that and your crappy play. 0.98

00:22:37.420 OK, moving on to other items in the news. 0.91

00:22:40.800 Let's talk about Pete Hegseth, who is in day whatever of an ongoing firestorm.

00:22:46.280 It's been building for a while, but it's getting, you know, I don't know if it's at its apex now or if we're about to get to the apex, but it's it's climbing where he fired these alleged leakers.

00:22:58.760 He accused these three guys. I mean, you know, the Pentagon and Pete signed off of it.

00:23:02.960 These three guys at the Pentagon of leaking material that would have included top secret information to NBC News about attack plans in Panama and said, we've gotten our guys.

00:23:13.260 We feel satisfied. We're going to continue our investigation. But, you know, I'm satisfied.

00:23:16.860 These are the people involved. They've all denied it.

00:23:20.420 And then, I mean, got was the subject of a barrage of bad press every day thereafter.

00:23:25.880 That happened on Friday. It had this guy over in the comms shop who I guess they really didn't love and he didn't want to be number two in the shop.

00:23:34.600 And I guess that's all it was available to him. In any event, he left.

00:23:36.760 He wrote a scathing piece in Politico, which is not exactly where right wingers run.

00:23:41.180 Don, Don Jr. disavowed that guy and said he's not part of our movement.

00:23:44.280 Don't believe this guy. And then the other two or the other three, at least one of them, sat down with Tucker Carlson and said, this isn't about my alleged leaking, which I didn't do.

00:23:53.300 This is about my position on Iran and being more dovish.

00:23:56.060 The other two haven't really spoken out, I think, other than to deny that they're leakers.

00:24:01.360 And now the narrative is building like everywhere because there's not like a strong MAGA media, you know, online and the digital lane.

00:24:09.060 You've got MAGA supporters, but there's not like a publication like the Journal or the Post or the Times that's pro-Trump where you can kind of go to hear the MAGA defense.

00:24:19.480 So you've got the journal ripping on him.

00:24:21.420 This morning, I listened to this podcast.

00:24:22.700 Sometimes I listen to Potomac Watch, which is the journal editorial.

00:24:25.560 Oh, yeah.

00:24:26.000 Bored people.

00:24:26.720 Yeah.

00:24:27.060 Paul.

00:24:27.420 Ripped him to shreds.

00:24:28.420 Right. 0.90

00:24:29.640 Chaos, chaos, chaos.

00:24:30.760 And it's just really too much chaos who has to go, which to me seems like, well, you can't fire somebody because of chaos.

00:24:37.700 We have to see if the chaos is real and what caused the chaos and then determine whether that's on him.

00:24:43.900 Right.

00:24:44.420 In any event, you can see him twisting.

00:24:46.400 So far, Trump is saying that he's standing behind him.

00:24:48.620 But for how long remains a fair question.

00:24:51.000 MBD, your thoughts on it?

00:24:52.040 Well, I mean, I'll be totally frank.

00:24:55.980 I actually know one of the fired people involved, Dan Caldwell, the one who was on, Tucker Carlson.

00:25:02.480 I've known him for about six or seven years.

00:25:05.040 I find the idea that he would leak to liberal press absolutely preposterous.

00:25:14.300 And I would I would stake quite a bet that he did not leak to NBC at all.

00:25:22.440 And certainly that he and certainly that he didn't leak classified information.

00:25:27.420 And I believe him when he says he didn't.

00:25:30.360 There are you know, there are reports today in Politico.

00:25:32.900 There was a long report saying that there was actually less ideology than meets the eye in this internal knife fight that, in fact, it was fueled by jealousy from another Hegseth chief of staff, Joe Casper, who has.

00:25:53.380 Right. He was the one who supposedly initiated the investigation that led to the firing of those three staffers.

00:26:02.160 And then he is now being pushed into a new role.

00:26:06.580 Why? Hasn't been, I think, I mean, I can report that he's not the decision maker, however, I can tell you that.

00:26:13.320 Right. Well, of course, he shouldn't.

00:26:15.520 But the buck stops with Hegseth.

00:26:17.940 So Hegseth was obviously convinced that these three people did something wrong.

00:26:23.440 I know Dan Caldwell to be a very loyal person who believes he becomes more effective by serving his boss well and then being handed more responsibility.

00:26:33.940 And that's kind of marked his career.

00:26:36.260 And I would stand by his reputation.

00:26:39.040 I don't know.

00:26:40.160 Colin was another one of these people fired.

00:26:44.000 I don't know him well.

00:26:45.520 And another one, Selnick, doesn't seem to have politics at all, as far as I can tell.

00:26:53.220 No political record.

00:26:54.160 He just has a record of reform in veterans affairs that I think was very strong during the first Trump administration.

00:27:02.520 And we don't know, M.D., it could be that, like, one of these guys is the suspected leaker and the other two have shrapnel wounds.

00:27:09.220 You know, like, I have no idea.

00:27:11.400 But you're right.

00:27:12.360 I haven't been able to determine, like, what did the other two have to do with it?

00:27:15.880 Caldwell seems to be the face of it.

00:27:17.760 And I'm not sure what the relation.

00:27:19.040 It sounds like these three knew each other and were friendly.

00:27:21.240 And we're friendly with Pete, too, which is, to your point, about this might be about or might have at least started with some sort of internal personality clashes or power struggles.

00:27:30.460 Right.

00:27:32.200 I mean, these three have definitely been in the same networks together and networks together with veterans networks together that Pete Hexeth was a part of before he became head of the DOD.

00:27:44.100 So people who are not privileged in that way may have been jealous of their influence, even if there was no, you know, political content to that jealousy.

00:27:57.160 At the same time, there are politics to this.

00:28:00.620 And it is interesting to see that there are people now rallying to Pete's side this week who three or four weeks ago were saying that what he did on the signal chat was worth resigning over.

00:28:13.680 Let me ask you that.

00:28:14.420 Is that is that more neo-conny people?

00:28:16.420 Because it's very interesting to watch the factions because Caldwell goes on with Tucker and says, what's what really was behind my termination is I am dovish on Iran.

00:28:25.100 Do not think we should be bombing Iran through Israel or any other way.

00:28:29.220 And and now you have people who would like us to bomb Iran.

00:28:33.460 Like, is Pete so bad?

00:28:35.240 Because they're like they're deducing maybe Pete's on the opposite side.

00:28:40.280 Well, I think I think there's fear that who if Pete Hexeth goes, who replaces him?

00:28:45.180 And, you know, it could be someone already in the Department of Defense, someone like Elbridge Colby, who has said, like, oh, we can contain Iran. 0.86

00:28:54.840 Ukraine is a tertiary issue.

00:28:56.800 We need to focus on China.

00:28:58.400 You know, that that would be seen as a bigger threat.

00:29:01.840 And Colby is a established kind of old school Republican hand.

00:29:08.260 You know, he's sort of like out of central casting from, you know, the 1950s through 70s and knows where the bodies are buried.

00:29:15.180 He'd be he could be very effective, whereas people may think Pete Hexeth, you know, is not totally in the camp of the restrainers and not totally in the camp of the Hawks.

00:29:29.800 But, you know, wants to serve his his president.

00:29:32.380 And, you know, the president himself is not hyper ideological on these questions.

00:29:39.100 You know, the president is willing to strike Iran, is willing, you know, to take out Soleimani, is willing to bomb them and has said that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

00:29:51.100 And he's willing to, you know, make the ground shake in order to bring that, you know, bring that fact into existence.

00:30:03.020 So, you know, it's very consequent.

00:30:06.800 The person who leads the Department of Defense is extremely consequential.

00:30:10.920 And so it's not a surprise that there's intense rivalry.

00:30:15.080 I mean, this is the biggest human organization on the planet.

00:30:19.320 You know, what you'd like to see is for Hexeth to succeed.

00:30:25.560 And Dan Caldwell said he wants Hexeth to succeed on the Tucker Carlson show.

00:30:30.040 I think Hexeth has to assert, you know, a very firm chain of command at which he's at the top.

00:30:37.220 There are no more rivalrous factions below him that any rivalries that exist, exist to serve him and to serve the president, right?

00:30:44.880 To get the best advice, to get the best diversity of perspectives ahead of a major decision and not to have this kind of knife fighting.

00:30:54.600 Because, I mean, it seems to me like a lot of people have been fired that can make a good contribution to our national security.

00:31:03.480 And I think I think it's a shame.

00:31:06.060 We just don't know what they know.

00:31:07.800 You know, if some evidence comes out that they actually were funneling top secret information to NBC News, they'd have to be fired.

00:31:14.960 Like, I have no idea whether that's coming.

00:31:17.400 But I'm just saying, for example, that would be a no brainer.

00:31:20.720 And we don't know, but it certainly appears that some faction of these four, that comms guy, Elliott is his last name, or these three accused but denying that they are leakers, are leaking to the press right now.

00:31:36.400 Because Pete's on the other end of a battering ram since they got fired on Friday.

00:31:40.080 It's like the New York Times had a long hit piece.

00:31:42.460 Politicals had repeated hit pieces.

00:31:43.860 His NPR is reporting that they're looking for a new Pentagon chief, but that's one and another source.

00:31:49.560 And NPR is not exactly known for its Trump world exclusive.

00:31:52.260 So I don't know.

00:31:53.120 George Clooney might be more plugged in than NPR.

00:31:56.120 Yeah, seriously.

00:31:57.140 So it's like if I saw that from like Fox News, I'd pay attention.

00:32:00.440 But yeah, I don't until I don't really know about the NPR sourcing there.

00:32:04.380 I want to play this for you, Rich.

00:32:06.240 Vice President Vance weighed in on Hegseth just this morning.

00:32:09.360 Here's what he said.

00:32:09.840 Look, I have 100 percent confidence in the secretary.

00:32:13.680 I know the president does and really the entire team does.

00:32:16.440 It's one of the most bizarre things about the Hegseth nomination.

00:32:20.360 From the very beginning, the media seemed to want to tank it.

00:32:23.440 And when they failed and they got confirmed, they decided they wanted to keep on that effort to destroy Pete Hegseth as a man, as a secretary of defense.

00:32:30.160 I think he's doing a great job.

00:32:31.920 I think that he's brought a certain spirit back to the Department of Defense.

00:32:35.060 And if you look at our military recruitment numbers, that's in my in my view, the best testament to his leadership of the military is that for the first time in a very long time, we don't have terrible recruitment problems in the Army, the Navy and the Air Force.

00:32:48.620 That's a great testament to his leadership.

00:32:50.840 And I wish, frankly, the press talked more about that and not about anonymous sourcing from random staffers.

00:32:56.440 The recruiting numbers are good.

00:32:59.920 They're very good, Rich.

00:33:01.820 But, look, you and I both know that they always say they're standing behind the person until they fire him.

00:33:06.520 It's never 80 percent support, right?

00:33:09.020 It's always 100 percent.

00:33:09.860 So it's like almost meaningless to play those soundbites in all fairness.

00:33:14.000 But, at least publicly, Monday and Tuesday, now, or I guess Monday and Wednesday, we've had direct soundbites from the president and vice president saying they are fully behind Pete.

00:33:23.020 Yeah. So you're right in what you said at the top of this segment.

00:33:27.180 You got this dynamic going in the media where there are headlines about chaos at the Pentagon and there are headlines about headlines about chaos at the Pentagon, right?

00:33:34.840 So they want to create this phenomenon.

00:33:37.940 And very often it works.

00:33:39.340 It's not going to work with Trump.

00:33:40.620 I wouldn't expect him to be dumped over this anytime soon.

00:33:43.420 But what's disturbing, and it relates to what J.D. said, right, because J.D. went right to Pete's strength, right?

00:33:50.540 Inspirational figure, more recruiting.

00:33:52.900 People want to go and be in that organization that he's going to devote to warfighting.

00:33:56.720 When people want to sign up for the military, that's why they want to do it, right?

00:33:59.900 So everyone who was in favor of his nomination said he's a change agent, jolt of energy, better recruiting, great communicator.

00:34:06.560 All that's true.

00:34:07.140 But no one said he's a great administrator and we're extremely confident he can run the Pentagon.

00:34:11.840 And what's disturbing about this, it would be one thing if the building just randomly, the establishment, were shooting at him.

00:34:17.240 And I'm sure it is.

00:34:18.820 But this was a war, an ugly war for power and influence among his people, his loyalists. 0.93

00:34:25.420 The people he brought in to help him run the building.

00:34:29.160 So I still think the big question is – some people have rocky starts when they take major steps and responsibility like this.

00:34:36.120 And they figure it out, they learn from it, and it evens out.

00:34:40.260 But there is a question, a bigger question now, whether he'll be able to run the building.

00:34:44.900 And this thing about the signal chat, who knows?

00:34:48.360 We haven't seen that.

00:34:49.500 Journalists wasn't CC'd on that, so we haven't actually seen them.

00:34:52.220 But it just feels to me when you're roping in your wife, your brother, your lawyer, you are someone who feels embattled, doesn't know who to trust, and you're going down to this core of the very most loyal people you have.

00:35:06.980 And that's just – you're not going to be able to run the building that way, right?

00:35:09.600 He needs some big chief of staff who can really do this job that's probably not within his current circle of trust, but he has to develop trust with.

00:35:17.560 And this just isn't easy.

00:35:18.940 A lot of people aren't managers, and this is a huge managerial job.

00:35:22.600 So I don't think he's going to get ousted for this.

00:35:24.740 I would expect them to continue to support him.

00:35:27.240 But I think there are concerns whether he can figure this out, and he needs to start figuring it out.

00:35:31.460 Because it's a big job, and everyone should want him to succeed.

00:35:35.540 I mean, I'll say this, MBD.

00:35:36.760 This second signal text chain was reportedly with Pete, with his brother, and his lawyer, both of whom are Pentagon employees now, and his wife, who's not, and some other collection, and I don't know who they are.

00:35:51.040 Okay, I'm told that what's on there was declassified, that he didn't share any classified information.

00:35:56.740 But let me say this, where was this leftist freakout when Joe Biden had Jill Biden at cabinet meetings, sitting at the Resolute desk with his jacket on the back of her chair?

00:36:10.000 She shepherded him around to every official function.

00:36:13.300 We have no idea whether she was secretly our president, but she absolutely was at cabinet meetings.

00:36:18.940 They didn't care at all.

00:36:20.380 No, and not only that, her close aide was also responsible for guarding the president from staff and from other cabinet members, from the reporting we've seen.

00:36:32.960 We saw that after the debate, Hunter Biden then came in and started performing that role.

00:36:39.680 And there was no sign of outrage.

00:36:43.480 This was just a family coming together to help their man in distress.

00:36:47.080 He loves his son. He loves his son.

00:36:49.180 You know, one interesting possibility brought up, you know, one thing I think people could look out for in the following days is, are the leaks still coming?

00:37:00.120 So, and are they coming from within the Pentagon?

00:37:06.000 They're going to.

00:37:06.580 Okay, so if they are, could it really be these three guys?

00:37:11.940 I mean, if they're leaking stuff that's actively in the Pentagon.

00:37:15.420 And secondly, Caldwell pointed to the Defense Policy Board, which is not really a well-known institution, but it's, this is something that is filled with Biden-era appointments like Susan Rice, Michelle Flournoy, Michael Hanlon of Brookings.

00:37:32.180 Lots of Biden-era people are still on it.

00:37:34.940 They haven't met since the Trump administration has taken office, but they all have security clearances.

00:37:41.460 They all have access to career employees in the Department of Defense.

00:37:47.460 And, you know, that is not an unreasonable place to look for leaks when you're talking, when the news outlets are NBC and Politico.

00:37:56.460 I don't think Susan Rice and Michelle Flournoy are going to be on the Defense Advisory Board for much longer.

00:38:02.500 Trump, as we all know, has had his hands full.

00:38:04.620 But I'm going to make a bold prediction that they shouldn't get too comfortable in their seats.

00:38:09.020 Go ahead, Rich.

00:38:09.540 What were you going to say?

00:38:10.100 Yeah, I was going to say, when this first broke, and they're basically frog-marched out of the building, I thought they had to have receipts.

00:38:15.340 There's no way this happened without serious receipts.

00:38:18.440 But then Caldwell's denial was so categorical with Tucker.

00:38:22.200 As you pointed out, I think, yesterday, Megan, you know, there's some legal jeopardy here.

00:38:26.200 So usually if you have exposure, you're not going and talking about it at length with a high-profile interviewer the way he did.

00:38:32.840 And then, heck, Seth, in his interview on Fox & Friend with Brian Kilmeade, I thought Brian did a great job, he said something that made my ears perked up.

00:38:39.600 He said, you know, and they or others around them might have been leaking.

00:38:44.000 So wait a minute.

00:38:44.520 So was it them?

00:38:45.780 And we know it's them?

00:38:46.660 And that's why they were removed and fired?

00:38:49.080 Or is it someone around them?

00:38:50.640 And who are those people?

00:38:52.200 So the big question mark.

00:38:54.120 Whoever it was, like if it was one of these guys or if it was somebody else that leaked that story to NBC News with, I mean, actual, that the Pentagon had been asked to draw up attack plans for Panama, is going to jail.

00:39:08.240 That person's going to prison.

00:39:09.660 I have no idea who it is.

00:39:11.120 But forget, like, the leak that Elon Musk came to the Pentagon and got a briefing.

00:39:15.580 Forget all the other stuff.

00:39:16.760 Like, that report, whoever leaked to the NBC News reporter, is probably going to jail.

00:39:23.060 So I do believe that in any Department of Defense, they would get to the bottom of who did that.

00:39:27.860 It shouldn't be too difficult.

00:39:29.340 You know, there are lots of ways to find leakers.

00:39:31.660 It's just a question of whether they will.

00:39:34.740 And I guess what cooperation they're going to get from their suspects, whether it goes beyond these three.

00:39:39.200 I want to play a soundbite of Pete on Fox & Friends yesterday.

00:39:42.900 Listen here.

00:39:44.680 I mean, I've gotten a fraction of what President Trump got in that first term.

00:39:48.360 What he's endured is superhuman.

00:39:50.740 It's not hard for me to do this job.

00:39:52.440 I know exactly why I'm here.

00:39:54.440 To bring warfighting and the warfighting ethos back to the Pentagon.

00:39:58.000 To rip out the insidious ideologies and not compromise and not back down.

00:40:02.980 To bring in new press voices into the Pentagon, which we've done.

00:40:07.240 To reestablish standards and accountability.

00:40:09.960 To not tolerate leakers. 1.00

00:40:11.940 To 100% operational control of our border.

00:40:14.940 To get rid of trans lunacy in the military. 1.00

00:40:18.160 We haven't backed down. 0.95

00:40:19.460 So here's the thing.

00:40:20.440 A lot of people come to Washington and they just play the game.

00:40:23.980 And it's punch their ticket.

00:40:25.780 And get along to go along.

00:40:27.340 And, you know, start doing meet the press.

00:40:29.120 And going to the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:40:31.320 And spending time with all the new cocktail sipping crowd.

00:40:34.760 That's not why I'm here.

00:40:35.780 I'm here because President Trump asked me to bring warfighting back to the Pentagon.

00:40:40.800 Every single day.

00:40:42.280 That is our focus.

00:40:43.540 And if people don't like it, they can come after me.

00:40:46.580 No worries.

00:40:47.460 I'm standing right here.

00:40:48.780 The warfighters are behind us.

00:40:50.260 Our enemies know they're on notice.

00:40:51.980 Our allies know we're behind them.

00:40:53.620 And that, in this dangerous world, for the American people, is what it's all about.

00:40:59.120 All right.

00:41:00.760 I'm just going to be honest.

00:41:01.740 I don't think that was that great.

00:41:03.880 The first half was solid and right on.

00:41:07.080 And then it seemed to me he was a little nervous.

00:41:10.020 He struck me as nervous.

00:41:11.020 Which you don't normally see with Pete.

00:41:13.740 And certainly somebody who's on TV as often as Pete has been.

00:41:16.980 And so this is totally my speculation.

00:41:18.840 But it made me feel like, not that they have him on the ropes exactly, Rich.

00:41:23.020 But I feel like he knows he's embattled.

00:41:26.720 Yeah.

00:41:27.240 The voice going up and getting super defensive toward the end.

00:41:30.880 Yeah.

00:41:31.140 That, to me, more than anything else, Telegraph, he might be a little worried here.

00:41:36.240 Yeah.

00:41:36.820 So, look.

00:41:37.640 Great communicator.

00:41:38.780 No doubt about it.

00:41:39.640 Great communicator.

00:41:40.720 There's a reason he was on TV.

00:41:42.900 But a little overly defensive, a little excitable, kind of jumping around a little bit.

00:41:49.380 There are some people giving the advice, don't do any more media for the time being.

00:41:53.740 But I just, his survival there and his success, which is more important.

00:41:57.640 You know, Pete Hexeth doesn't matter in the scheme of things.

00:41:59.640 You want him actually to make our force more lethal and lean and mean and all that depends on running the building.

00:42:07.520 And it's just, it's really hard coming in as a change agent, one of these big agencies.

00:42:11.300 It's really, really hard.

00:42:12.640 Very few people actually succeed in it.

00:42:15.660 But he needs some help in that regard.

00:42:18.560 And the first team of people he brought in that he thought were loyalists maybe weren't, obviously is not it.

00:42:25.180 So he's going to have a second bite of the apple.

00:42:27.700 But we should hope he has some serious administrators who are going to run the place for him.

00:42:33.180 Yeah.

00:42:33.820 I have to say, like, still totally rooting for him.

00:42:35.900 And I think he probably will survive this unless there's other, some other big shoe to drop.

00:42:40.920 Like, we had leaks.

00:42:43.100 There was an investigation.

00:42:44.660 They tell us they found the leakers.

00:42:46.500 Those guys deny it.

00:42:47.280 But that's what the Pentagon says that they are.

00:42:49.780 And then a barrage of negative press accounts about Pete hit the news.

00:42:54.860 I don't think that makes a fireable defense secretary. 0.95

00:42:58.700 Not in Trump world.

00:42:59.660 I don't, I think Trump's going to understand what's happening right now.

00:43:02.780 And if, now, if there's ongoing problems, if this becomes chronic and it's just like a distraction, then he'll turf him because he's not afraid of firing people.

00:43:10.120 But I don't think we're there yet.

00:43:11.700 I'll just wait to see what else.

00:43:13.100 I do believe other negative press will be coming and we'll see what it is and how it's handled.

00:43:18.500 I mean, it's so weird to be getting your Trump updates in Politico and the New York Times. 0.78

00:43:23.760 I mean, it's just ridiculous.

00:43:25.300 Who are, who are these people? 0.59

00:43:26.500 Who turns to them? 0.99

00:43:27.900 Okay.

00:43:28.340 Anyway, moving on.

00:43:30.300 Did you catch the Larry David piece?

00:43:33.760 Obviously on Bill Maher.

00:43:35.440 This is a couple of days old now, but I, we haven't talked about it on the, on the show and it's just amazing.

00:43:40.240 So he pens a piece in the New York time, an op-ed called my dinner with Adolf.

00:43:44.620 It comes on the heels of Maher's dinner with Trump.

00:43:47.120 He doesn't name Maher.

00:43:48.200 It's very clearly about Maher.

00:43:49.420 In part, it reads, imagine my surprise when in the spring of 1939, a letter arrived at my house,

00:43:55.800 inviting me to dinner at the old chancellery with the world's most reviled man, Adolf Hitler. 0.66

00:44:01.820 I had been a vocal critic of his on the radio from the beginning,

00:44:04.700 pretty much predicting everything he was going to do on the road to dictatorship.

00:44:07.900 No one I knew encouraged me to go.

00:44:09.720 He's Hitler. 0.99

00:44:10.320 He's a monster, in quotes. 0.99

00:44:12.180 But eventually I concluded that hate gets us nowhere. 0.94

00:44:15.540 I know he couldn't change his views, but we need to talk to the other side.

00:44:18.420 Even if it has invaded and annexed other countries and committed unspeakable crimes against humanity. 0.87

00:44:25.360 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:27.340 I joke that I was surprised to see him in a tan suit because if he wore that out, it would be perceived as unfuror-like.

00:44:33.360 That amused him to no end and I realized I'd never seen him laugh before.

00:44:37.320 Suddenly he seemed so human.

00:44:39.140 Here I was prepared to meet Hitler, the one I'd seen and heard, the public Hitler. 0.87

00:44:42.840 But this private Hitler was a completely different animal. 0.91

00:44:45.200 And oddly enough, this one seemed more authentic, like this was the real Hitler. 0.70

00:44:50.720 The whole thing had my head spinning.

00:44:53.140 Two hours later, the dinner was over and the Fuhrer escorted me to the door. 0.92

00:44:56.160 I'm so glad to have met you.

00:44:57.460 I hope I'm no longer the monster you thought I was.

00:44:59.980 I must say, mein Fuhrer, I'm so thankful I came. 0.92

00:45:03.220 Although we disagree on many issues, it doesn't mean that we have to hate each other.

00:45:06.840 And with that, I gave him a Nazi salute and walked out into the night.

00:45:13.420 This is unbelievable, Michael.

00:45:17.220 Unbelievable.

00:45:18.320 So, I mean, I'm allowed to remember when you weren't supposed to use Hitler to make your points, you know. 0.53

00:45:22.980 But, okay, I guess we're past that.

00:45:24.800 Your thoughts on it?

00:45:25.640 I mean, I have to say I'm surprised. 0.96

00:45:32.060 Larry David has appeared on Saturday Night Live with Trump and, like, making a joke, like, where he shouts, Trump's a racist. 0.96

00:45:42.200 And, like, an annoying liberal lefty from Hollywood would. 0.93

00:45:47.020 And it seemed to be he was self-deprecating on this point.

00:45:50.880 And, in fact, one of his – there's a very funny episode of his show, Curb Your Enthusiasm, where he decides that wearing a MAGA hat is a perfect way of getting out of awkward social obligations in Hollywood.

00:46:06.200 And also where he goes into a Holocaust museum and steals the shoes that are on display of Holocaust victims because he needs new shoes.

00:46:15.580 Like, he's been, yeah, irreverent, certainly when it comes to the Holocaust and, obviously, Trump.

00:46:22.860 Very irreverent.

00:46:23.840 And irreverent, too.

00:46:24.980 I mean, you know, arguably, like, there was an episode of a show where he came to discover that his, you know, descendants were not C-O-H-E-N, Cone, but C-O-N-E, Cone.

00:46:39.840 And, like, the episode was basically, like, an anti-Semitic tract of him discovering that he was, like, of Christian parentage.

00:46:48.560 And then he became, like, a nicer, kinder, gentler, braver, more voluntaristic person.

00:46:55.060 I mean, so I always thought of Larry David as someone who, you know, stood aside from liberal pieties in Hollywood and, in fact, made fun of them.

00:47:04.720 And then I, so I was actually just shocked that he, you know, that this was so conventional and cliché.

00:47:12.780 Alan Dershowitz has been railing about Larry David for calling him out for defending Trump in the first impeachment trial for years now.

00:47:19.680 You know, Alan, he holds a grudge.

00:47:21.340 And so he, yeah, he basically screamed at Alan in a Martha's Vineyard, like, 7-Eleven for doing this.

00:47:28.940 He's not a tolerant guy.

00:47:30.360 I don't know, Rich, to me, like, it really is amazing that he wrote this and that the Times printed this.

00:47:38.160 Yeah, they always go to Hitler. 0.62

00:47:40.460 It's so boring.

00:47:42.200 It's so conventional.

00:47:43.200 But they can't help themselves.

00:47:45.340 There's nothing that Trump has in common with Hitler, right?

00:47:48.100 He's a thoroughly American figure, runs through this populist tradition, going through Andrew Jackson, Huey Long, George Wallace.

00:47:54.440 Not the racism of George Wallace, but the anti-elitism.

00:47:58.040 And there are things to like and really dislike about that tradition.

00:48:00.720 That's all fair game.

00:48:01.860 But they got to go to Hitler.

00:48:04.720 And look, Bill Maher did the right thing, right?

00:48:06.660 Donald Trump, like it or not, is at the center of our national life.

00:48:10.040 Bill Maher is a hugely consequential commentator who talks about Donald Trump all the time.

00:48:15.340 He should know as much as he reasonably can about Donald Trump.

00:48:18.520 And as Winston Churchill used to say, there's nothing like being there, going yourself and seeing yourself.

00:48:24.320 And he learned things about Donald Trump, right?

00:48:26.320 And they didn't accord with his worldview.

00:48:28.620 And unlike George Clooney until the last moment with Joe Biden, he admits it and will admit the attention and say he actually learned something.

00:48:35.520 And he's going to share it with his viewers, which is the honest, factual thing to do.

00:48:39.280 And the fact is, Donald Trump, in person, he's a professional host, in part, so he can be extremely gracious.

00:48:45.460 He's a great one-on-one politician, which accounts for a lot of his hold on the Republican Party, which you might miss unless you know that about him.

00:48:52.860 And now Bill Maher knows it.

00:48:54.520 He went and found out, which was the right thing to do.

00:48:56.640 And Larry David digs in, saying, basically, but you met with Hitler.

00:49:02.980 We don't want to hear about the softer side of Hitler.

00:49:05.800 That's really what he's saying here.

00:49:07.260 Without it ever even occurring to him, what if what's happening is he's not Hitler?

00:49:14.660 And Bill Maher is starting to realize that.

00:49:17.860 Like, might there be secret option number two?

00:49:21.560 Stay with me here, Larry.

00:49:23.000 That Trump actually doesn't annex countries and hasn't killed six million people and might actually be somebody who could really help the country out.

00:49:34.020 I said it.

00:49:35.460 He can't that.

00:49:36.640 He's too far gone.

00:49:38.060 The TDS is too advanced.

00:49:39.780 It's a stage five TDS situation.

00:49:42.420 I'm sorry, but oh, well.

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00:51:13.920 What did Hitler do in the Holocaust?

00:51:15.920 He took people from Germany to other countries.

00:51:19.760 Yeah.

00:51:20.520 Where there was no German law.

00:51:22.280 There was not even a pretense of German law.

00:51:24.220 They took them to Poland or, you know, Hungary or whatever.

00:51:27.540 And they killed them.

00:51:29.360 And so when you see what's happening right now with this El Salvadoran gulag,

00:51:33.000 I mean, this Seacott gulag,

00:51:35.400 he's basically taking a page out of that playbook, you think?

00:51:38.720 Well, we'll get some out of the country.

00:51:41.580 Okay.

00:51:42.540 That's more Hitler talk from Chris Matthews and Jim Acosta.

00:51:46.380 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show.

00:51:47.540 Back with you now, Rich Lowry and MBD, Michael Brendan Doherty of National Review.

00:51:52.220 Become an NR Plus member today to get all of their content.

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00:52:04.100 Anyway, it's no one on this show.

00:52:08.660 So, yeah, more Hitler-esque talk this time about the El Salvadoran prison. 1.00

00:52:13.500 That's why he's doing it, because he's going to ship them overseas and kill them. 0.99

00:52:18.240 I heard that phrase come out. 0.99

00:52:19.680 They don't point out that most of the people who have been shipped there so far

00:52:24.420 are El Salvadoran.

00:52:26.920 And if not, they're Venezuelan gang members who we could put in prisons here, too.

00:52:33.640 And by the way, any illegal who gets arrested and has to face deportation and a hearing

00:52:39.560 has to go to jail.

00:52:41.060 That's what we're supposed to be doing.

00:52:43.020 We haven't been under Joe Biden, but you're supposed to hold them.

00:52:45.200 Unfortunately, you're only allowed to hold them for 90 days, and then you've got to let

00:52:48.340 them roam.

00:52:49.220 And then they're never seen from again.

00:52:50.560 But what Trump is doing is saying, these are people who have been deported.

00:52:54.920 We believe that the vast majority of these people, if not all these people, have already

00:52:58.080 been deported, like ordered removed.

00:53:00.160 They had their due process.

00:53:01.780 And now he's doing exactly that.

00:53:03.920 Now, what's going to happen to them after a year in this prison?

00:53:06.120 I don't know.

00:53:07.220 Because, you know, you can't hold them forever.

00:53:10.260 But I haven't seen any assurances that's not the plan.

00:53:13.340 I'm not sure, Rich, but where do you stand on the El Salvadoran prison and in general

00:53:18.560 on what Trump's doing with the immigration reform?

00:53:21.040 Yeah.

00:53:21.600 So this is my latest hot take on this.

00:53:24.240 One, the politics are just terrible for Democrats, right?

00:53:26.460 Because if you say I'm advocating, they have so little credibility on immigration.

00:53:30.720 If you say I'm advocating for a legal immigrant who may have beaten his wife, probably did be 1.00

00:53:34.280 his wife, maybe a member of MS-13, but it's all about due process.

00:53:38.720 A lot of the public's just going to hear, oh, you're advocating for an illegal immigrant

00:53:42.060 who may have beaten his wife, maybe a member of MS-13.

00:53:44.640 So this is not a good issue for them.

00:53:47.900 But I think, like, substantively, in terms of where we are in deportations, it's the whole

00:53:52.300 alien enemies thing is a blind alley.

00:53:55.520 Let's say the administration succeeds legally, which seems unlikely.

00:53:58.520 But all the TDA members go to that prison in El Salvador.

00:54:02.040 OK, great.

00:54:02.960 We still have 18 million illegal immigrants here.

00:54:05.060 And so far, there are a couple of things that need to happen to really deal with that.

00:54:08.560 Many people pointed out, you've pointed out, the problem is they come in here without any

00:54:11.680 due process, right?

00:54:12.660 And then once they're here, there's all this procedures, and it's so hard to get them out.

00:54:16.220 So one, you need Congress.

00:54:17.800 We need more ICE officers. 1.00

00:54:19.000 We need more detention space.

00:54:20.580 And during the campaign, they were talking about massive tent cities to house people.

00:54:23.960 Where's that?

00:54:24.540 Well, you need Congress to fund it.

00:54:26.280 And then you need reform of the asylum system, which is an outrage, which was abused by this

00:54:30.600 guy, Abrego Garcia.

00:54:32.060 Not technically asylum, a withholding, a removal, but it's basically the same thing. 0.79

00:54:35.740 It was absurd, you know, his family suffered from gang violence.

00:54:39.540 They weren't persecuted in El Salvador.

00:54:41.700 And the business that was being extorted had closed at the time he got this withholding

00:54:45.520 or removal.

00:54:46.280 So the occasion for this extortion that he was complaining about was no longer there.

00:54:49.900 And then the gang got crushed, right?

00:54:51.520 So there's no fear whatsoever.

00:54:53.280 And he was still living free in this country.

00:54:54.800 So you need to change all that.

00:54:56.160 But also, I think it's from the power of the Trump administration now to do worksite raids.

00:55:00.900 And it's understandable they're going after the worst of the worst there.

00:55:04.760 You do that for some substantive reasons, obviously.

00:55:06.860 You do it for the politics.

00:55:08.180 But you got to, I'm making up the numbers, you got to send like 15 ICE agents to get one

00:55:11.420 guy because he might be a threat.

00:55:12.680 He might shoot at you, right?

00:55:13.840 You need a lot of robust presence.

00:55:15.580 Worksite raids, you send five ICE agents to a meatpacking plant in Iowa and you get 150

00:55:22.240 guys and you deport them.

00:55:24.180 And then you find the hell out of that meatpacking plant.

00:55:26.820 And then what happens is every other meatpacking plant in Iowa says, we don't want to be fined.

00:55:32.020 They go to their legal employees.

00:55:33.360 Sorry, guys.

00:55:34.200 You know, you can't work here anymore.

00:55:35.900 And then you might have some of those legal employees saying, you know what?

00:55:38.500 I don't want to be deported.

00:55:39.840 I don't want to be held in detention.

00:55:41.960 I'll go home on my own.

00:55:43.860 And the biggest thing we need, which is I've been shocked for 10 years that Donald Trump

00:55:47.380 doesn't talk about this.

00:55:48.440 He's very ambiguous on this issue.

00:55:49.900 You need a so-called e-verify system that's a foolproof system where you just can't hire people

00:55:55.240 who are illegal aliens.

00:55:56.260 That drives up all the jobs.

00:55:58.160 And then you might have, you know, millions of people saying, we don't want to be here

00:56:01.520 anymore.

00:56:02.140 So we're just not going to be able to cherry pick our way through 18 million people and

00:56:05.820 work through this process and really move the numbers.

00:56:08.560 You need those kind of things to make a big difference in my mind.

00:56:11.720 No, we're not.

00:56:12.620 MBD, one interesting fact, Rich mentioned that Abrego Garcia, he's the one, MS-13, an accused

00:56:19.140 wife beater. 1.00

00:56:20.080 And he's the one Chris Van Hollen went over there to meet with and was photographed with, with

00:56:23.560 the margaritas in front of them.

00:56:24.580 And he goes, oh, it's a setup.

00:56:25.600 Oh, you know, they set me up. 1.00

00:56:26.620 Well, if you're too dumb not to understand propaganda, too bad on you. 0.98

00:56:29.600 In any event, here he was in 2017. 0.99

00:56:33.040 Chris Van Hollen, the Heritage Foundation tweeted this out and we verified it.

00:56:36.360 It's real.

00:56:37.920 This is 2017.

00:56:38.900 Chris Van Hollen.

00:56:39.800 Shame on President Trump for tearing apart hardworking immigrant families.

00:56:44.060 We should be focused on MS-13, not scholarship winners.

00:56:47.260 How times have changed.

00:56:49.760 Now he's dancing the waltz with a guy and sipping the margaritas, or so it would appear.

00:56:53.920 Well, at first, I mean, the first move of Democrats, right, was to deny that he was part

00:56:59.520 of MS-13 and try to make him into father of the year.

00:57:02.120 I mean, it was.

00:57:02.920 Yes. 0.99

00:57:04.060 I mean, it's it's pathetic. 0.96

00:57:06.340 I do think I actually disagree with Rich a little bit. 0.93

00:57:10.380 I actually think this is giving Democrats a little bit of juice, at least among their base.

00:57:16.460 I mean, I'm seeing all over social media, like, hysterical conspiracy theories that, like,

00:57:22.340 this is a test run.

00:57:23.760 They're going to do this to, you know, a deportable alien first, and then they're going to start

00:57:28.280 doing it to America. 0.62

00:57:28.980 Yeah, Rachel Maddow will be next. 1.00

00:57:30.840 Yeah.

00:57:31.500 Right.

00:57:31.960 Exactly.

00:57:32.480 And so I do think it is, I think it's actually the first time since Trump has been inaugurated

00:57:39.520 that Democrats have been able to focus on one story and bring sustained attention to

00:57:46.620 it.

00:57:47.440 I, again, I agree with Richard, it probably doesn't work with independents, and it certainly 1.00

00:57:51.700 doesn't work with Republicans, but motivating the base is what Democrats have to do to start

00:57:57.080 rebuilding their party, getting fundraising up.

00:58:00.340 And I think that's what's, what they're doing.

00:58:03.680 And, you know, El Salvador officials are very cagey in getting Abrego Garcia to be dressed

00:58:11.800 up in, you know, civilian clothes, not looking like, you know, like he's coming out of Dachau

00:58:18.760 or something like that.

00:58:19.600 He looks like, he almost looked like he was at a resort with the, with the cup in front

00:58:26.380 of him.

00:58:27.000 It was, it was a little bit of plaid summer colors, the button down shirt.

00:58:31.280 Yeah.

00:58:31.880 More and more, we're hearing this.

00:58:33.760 And Trump made some comment about like, you know, we've, it was like a reference to possible

00:58:40.400 American criminals being sent to this prison.

00:58:43.880 And the left, of course, that just fed right into their belief that, yeah, Rachel Maddow

00:58:47.460 is going to go.

00:58:48.060 He's just going to start deporting people he doesn't like.

00:58:50.260 He wasn't talking about deporting Americans.

00:58:51.800 He was talking about prison space and like, it'd be great if we could house some of our 0.99

00:58:56.180 worst prisoners in a place like this.

00:58:57.880 So we didn't have to worry about them.

00:59:00.100 But this keeps getting brought up by the left is like proof.

00:59:02.700 He wants to ship Americans, you know, law abiding Americans or any other kind of Americans, 0.65

00:59:06.680 you know, without due process to El Salvador.

00:59:09.120 Here's Simone Sanders to the point you just made on MSNBC, my MD.

00:59:14.460 The realistic way in which democracies die is that it's dismantled brick by brick, piece

00:59:19.500 by piece.

00:59:20.180 That is why Kilmar Abrego Garcia's specific case, the case of the gentleman who's a makeup 0.87

00:59:26.940 artist out of California who was also sent to that prison.

00:59:30.080 That is why the, the, the more, the 75% of the folks who have been sent, the men who have 0.66

00:59:34.920 been sent there that don't have criminal records.

00:59:37.020 That is why this is so important because if they could do it to them, if they could snatch

00:59:41.400 students off the street without any pushback or recourse, they will do it to any of us.

00:59:46.520 So to be very clear, it's going to be the people of color and vulnerable communities that are

00:59:51.460 next to them.

00:59:53.720 That is the only proper response, Rich Lowry.

00:59:56.020 Thank you for knowing exactly what to say.

00:59:58.520 Yeah, of course.

00:59:59.940 I think this, this, Megan, though, it does go to a contradiction.

01:00:02.760 On the one hand, illegal immigrants, they should be detained until their proceedings are fully 1.00

01:00:08.400 worked out and they're removed.

01:00:09.900 That's what the law says.

01:00:11.380 And we just never done it.

01:00:12.660 No one's done it.

01:00:13.540 Abrego Garcia was released during the first Trump administration.

01:00:16.520 You should have been held.

01:00:17.320 They all should be held, but we need more detention space to do that.

01:00:20.000 But if the argument is, well, this in El Salvador is just basically detention space, like in

01:00:24.080 America, then you're going to get the courts will saying, well, well, okay, you effectively

01:00:28.440 have control over, over all these prisoners.

01:00:30.700 So if we're telling you to, to bring them back, it's not a foreign policy issue.

01:00:33.880 It's just a U S detention space.

01:00:35.720 Like any other just happens to be overseas.

01:00:38.200 So again, I just don't, I don't, I, they, they're straining at every possible, uh, looking

01:00:43.620 for every possible avenue they can to, to, uh, hopscotch procedural obstacles to get the

01:00:48.280 numbers of deportations up.

01:00:49.760 Right.

01:00:50.120 Because we had 10 million come in or whatever it was last four years and they got to go

01:00:54.180 and they, they should go.

01:00:55.540 I just don't think they're going to prevail on this one.

01:00:57.420 So what's crazy, Michael, is that you've now got, you know, you had the Supreme court

01:01:02.800 weigh in twice so far on the alien enemies act, which is Trump's best tool.

01:01:08.640 He thinks toward getting these people out of here and getting them out fast.

01:01:12.460 And the first one was, this statute is reviewable, but only in a small part.

01:01:19.160 And the second was, and, and to say, if you want to bring a challenge under it, you have

01:01:23.720 to file a habeas proceeding, meaning, uh, an objection to whether you qualify as like

01:01:28.400 an actual gang member under his order in the jurisdiction where you're being held.

01:01:33.480 So, you know, not in front of DC judge Boesburg, but in that case, it was in Texas where they

01:01:37.840 had the deportees.

01:01:38.780 And then, um, secondly, they just waited on Friday night to say, stop all deportations

01:01:44.340 under the alien, alien enemies act until we can figure out what's going on, which was

01:01:49.080 very sweeping seven to two Alito went off the next day and not a good ruling for Trump,

01:01:55.000 but not a permanent this that's like, just stop until we can address this case on the

01:01:59.740 merits.

01:02:00.020 And it's working its way up.

01:02:01.380 But what you got in the meantime was this, uh, decision from this judge Sweeney, judge

01:02:07.880 Charlotte Sweeney, um, a Biden appointee who just ruled that she's, first of all, she's 0.99

01:02:15.180 certified a putative class, meaning she's given the initial blessing for this whole

01:02:20.800 thing to be on a class action track for all alien enemies act deportees to be part of a

01:02:27.140 class and said they have to get at least 21 days notice before you can remove them.

01:02:34.940 So she said the Supreme court didn't say how much due process is enough, but according to

01:02:38.280 this judge, we have to, for 21 days, we got to let these people stick around.

01:02:42.480 This is the worst of the worst.

01:02:45.500 Can you imagine what's going to happen when we get to the ones who aren't additional criminals?

01:02:50.860 I mean, it's, it is preposterous.

01:02:53.600 I mean, the idea that you're going to have, um, ice roll up and give this 21 day notice,

01:03:01.120 which is like, you have three weeks to disappear from here and find a cousin in another state to

01:03:06.680 stay with until we lose you again. 0.96

01:03:09.920 Uh, I mean, it's utterly ridiculous. 0.79

01:03:13.040 It's, it's basically lawless. 0.69

01:03:15.680 Um, you know, I understand, you know, some, I understand a little bit why some Democrats

01:03:21.620 and, and, and some judges are alarmed by the, this, the use of this act, you know, whether

01:03:27.980 it's really proper to consider, um, illegal immigrants, you know, part of a, a hostile 1.00

01:03:34.480 invasion, you know, in, in the laws of war, I understand that reticence, but you can't

01:03:40.120 just make up law, like you out of nowhere and invent judicial process, um, from nothing.

01:03:48.420 Uh, but we've seen this over and over again, this judicial brinksmanship under Trump that

01:03:54.780 is, uh, absolutely destabilizing to self-government.

01:04:00.540 Um, and, you know, uh, it's not a surprise that you're getting a lot of, you know, MAGA

01:04:07.940 Republicans getting radicalized about judiciary and saying, you know, we need to, you know,

01:04:12.460 in the words of Judy Vance, like the courts issued its warning, I'll let the court enforce

01:04:17.100 it, um, and just ignore the judicial branch.

01:04:21.320 I don't, I don't think Donald Trump wants to go that far, but boy, that ruling really

01:04:26.040 is tempting, is attempting test case.

01:04:29.880 Here's what she said.

01:04:31.260 The government must provide both petitioners in this case, this is out of Colorado district

01:04:36.080 court and the provisionally certified class of individuals they seek to represent, meaning

01:04:41.580 all deportees under the alien enemies act with a 21 day notice, uh, to the individual detained

01:04:49.200 pursuant to the act.

01:04:50.300 So anybody who's going to be deported pursuant to the alien enemies act and Trump's proclamation

01:04:54.420 to get a 21 day notice must state the government intends to remove the individual pursuant to

01:05:00.580 the act and the proclamation must provide notice of a right to seek judicial review must inform

01:05:04.940 the individuals that they may consult an attorney regarding their detainment and the government's

01:05:09.580 intent to remove them must be written in a language that the individual understands.

01:05:13.460 I mean, these are people who literally crossed our Southern border illegally committed crimes

01:05:19.960 against American citizens when they got here, in some cases resisted Tom Homan when he tried

01:05:24.620 to arrest them.

01:05:25.580 And now, I mean, this is unbelievable.

01:05:28.800 Each one gets 21 day notice and hearing what's next, like court appointed counsel.

01:05:34.760 So we're paying for their defense and all the way through to the U S Supreme court.

01:05:38.300 Each one of these guys is going to appeal up to the U S Supreme court on the worst.

01:05:41.560 This is why, this is why we're really are headed for a showdown here, rich, where if

01:05:46.140 we get more rulings, like we got from our Colorado friend, Charlotte Sweeney, a Biden appointee

01:05:50.900 who hasn't done anything in her very short career to distinguish herself as a foreign policy

01:05:57.260 expert or an immigration expert, but now thinks she's co-president is really, they're tempting,

01:06:03.340 they're begging Trump to ignore them.

01:06:06.100 Yeah.

01:06:06.960 So on the procedures, this is why we should do many more expedited removals.

01:06:11.680 My understanding the statute, you can do an expedited removal.

01:06:13.780 It's basically no process.

01:06:14.640 It's kind of a common sense thing.

01:06:16.020 They come here illegally, you turn them back around and they go home, right? 1.00

01:06:19.880 That's what most people think.

01:06:20.880 But here's the one exception.

01:06:22.260 Here's the one exception.

01:06:22.900 So Trump expanded expedited removal to go beyond just the Southern border and the initial encounter.

01:06:27.060 But if they claim asylum, then you do have to give them an asylum.

01:06:31.460 Yeah, the broken and insane and lunatic asylum process is a huge element of this immigration 1.00

01:06:38.800 crisis we've experienced over the last 10 years or so.

01:06:41.500 It needs to be drastically reformed.

01:06:42.900 And perhaps my friend Mark Krikorian, the Center for Immigration Studies, makes a very compelling

01:06:46.720 case.

01:06:47.380 We shouldn't do it at all.

01:06:48.380 You know, we can have a certain number of refugees that are in our country, in some other

01:06:51.480 country, and we decide to admit them.

01:06:53.140 But the whole process of someone getting here and then starting this huge procedural process,

01:06:57.960 that means they'll stay, right?

01:06:59.360 That's how it's worked in the past.

01:07:01.740 That's why they're coming.

01:07:02.820 That's why they say these certain things that they think are magic words that get them

01:07:06.520 to stay.

01:07:07.380 That's got to end.

01:07:08.620 But you need Congress to do it.

01:07:10.160 On this thing, the El Salvador prison, I think there are a couple of reasons the administration

01:07:15.400 has dug in.

01:07:16.140 One, they don't like to admit mistakes.

01:07:18.020 I do think Abrego Garcia, clearly a deportable alien, could have been deported anywhere else.

01:07:22.760 I think he should come home and be deported to Panama immediately in accord with the lawful 1.00

01:07:27.920 process.

01:07:28.980 But one, they don't like admitting error.

01:07:30.800 Two, they want this power, right, to be able to do this in an expedited manner.

01:07:34.900 Three, as we were discussing earlier, I know MBD disagrees a little bit.

01:07:37.920 They think it's good politics.

01:07:39.240 And four, if, if, if, I hope they don't do this, they shouldn't do this in my mind.

01:07:43.920 If they're going to defy a court on something, this thing is set up perfectly for that purpose,

01:07:48.880 right?

01:07:49.080 The Supreme Court says, bring him back.

01:07:51.980 And you say, it's an El Salvador.

01:07:54.240 You go get him, right?

01:07:55.540 You go get him.

01:07:56.700 To the point you were just making, here's Tom Homan on Fox today, Sop4.

01:08:01.980 Here's what they're doing, Bill.

01:08:03.040 Here's the plan.

01:08:04.160 The Biden administration overwhelmed the system.

01:08:06.080 10.5 million people came to the border.

01:08:08.120 They know it's going to take years to get through the court docket.

01:08:10.740 By then, they're hoping there's another Democratic administration in.

01:08:14.080 They'll have U.S. citizen children.

01:08:15.680 Then all of a sudden, nobody wants them removed.

01:08:17.360 We're spoiling their plans to have future Democratic voters and, through a census, have control

01:08:23.300 of the House to, through a census vote, Democratic sanctuary cities get more seats in the House.

01:08:28.040 This is their plan, through the immigration court, to appeal after appeal after appeal,

01:08:32.280 district judge, district judge, to slow us down, because their hopes is they'll gain power

01:08:37.120 again, then they can warrant amnesty to 10 million illegal aliens that are released in

01:08:40.660 this country illegally.

01:08:41.600 That is their plan.

01:08:42.480 And we're trying to remove these public safety threats, national security threats, as quick

01:08:46.420 as possible.

01:08:48.640 You know, on that same front, MBD, as I mentioned, the Supreme Court stopped the deportations

01:08:55.320 under the Alien Enemies Act on Friday night at one in the morning.

01:08:58.280 They stopped them.

01:08:59.420 So when's our hearing?

01:09:00.540 When is this resuming?

01:09:01.840 When are we going to know what Trump can do?

01:09:04.480 The commander in chief, the duly elected president of the United States.

01:09:07.160 And Mike Davis, very smart lawyer with the Article 3 project, just tweeted out the following.

01:09:13.920 Dear Commanding General John Roberts, when does the president of the United States have

01:09:18.360 your permission to resume his military operation to deport the most dangerous terrorists in the

01:09:23.280 Western Hemisphere?

01:09:24.280 Or do you want the president to ship them to the Chevy Chase Country Club?

01:09:28.200 I mean, now we're talking.

01:09:31.540 I mean, he's exactly right.

01:09:32.900 I mean, when do we get our president back, right?

01:09:35.400 I mean, that's the Supreme Court effectively absconded with the presidency until further

01:09:40.700 notice.

01:09:41.560 And we only have Justice Alito standing up.

01:09:44.840 It's insane.

01:09:46.000 And yes, there are limits, right?

01:09:47.960 You know, you can say that the court order says, oh, you know, we want the president to

01:09:52.660 effectuate bringing back Garcia from El Salvador.

01:09:58.100 But he belongs in El Salvador, and there are limits.

01:10:09.380 I mean, it's not like the Supreme Court can say, you know, send the Navy and launch an amphibious

01:10:15.420 invasion and then go rescue him.

01:10:17.880 Give me a break.

01:10:18.800 I mean, this is making up law.

01:10:21.740 I mean, the president has an ability to negotiate with other sovereign heads of states and to

01:10:29.920 proceed and carry out lawful actions.

01:10:33.640 And once he does, there are consequences to that that aren't reversible and aren't justiciable.

01:10:39.060 So, you know, this is going too far.

01:10:42.900 And the Supreme Court had better get out of this by the end of this week, because otherwise

01:10:47.240 it is going to be tempting, another huge confrontation with the president.

01:10:52.940 And in most cases, when they sit down to rule, they look at the Constitution, they look at

01:10:59.620 Article I and Article II, and they decide, you know what?

01:11:02.280 The president really has authority over executive actions, and Congress really has authority over

01:11:07.440 the law.

01:11:08.320 And there's nothing we can, you know, do about it.

01:11:11.620 And there's no lacuna to hide in.

01:11:13.280 Here is another thing, speaking of the Supreme Court.

01:11:19.740 You guys probably saw this case went up yesterday involving Maryland parents who, it's a group 0.96

01:11:25.860 of Muslims, Christians, and Jews who said, we've had it with your weird, hyper-sexual, LGBTQ 1.00

01:11:33.920 propaganda being shoved into our children's curriculum in the pre-K through five years. 0.94

01:11:43.280 Pre-K.

01:11:45.260 And I didn't watch the argument yet, but most court observers who I trust think the parents

01:11:50.240 are going to win this, which would be amazing.

01:11:52.800 It will be a very historic ruling if they do, the restoration of parental rights, another 0.73

01:11:56.460 thing Trump ran on, by the way.

01:11:59.100 And this could be a ruling that could have far-ranging implications.

01:12:02.580 Here's a sample of how it went.

01:12:04.800 And this is the attorney for the schools, Montgomery County Schools.

01:12:08.880 His name's Alan Schoenfeld.

01:12:10.860 Get in the business from Trump appointee, Justice Neil Gorsuch.

01:12:16.380 They're being used in English language instruction at age three.

01:12:22.440 Some of them.

01:12:23.420 So Pride Puppy was the book that was used for the pre-kindergarten curriculum.

01:12:27.380 That's no longer in the curriculum.

01:12:28.440 That's the one where they are supposed to look for the leather and things and bondage,

01:12:32.600 things like that.

01:12:33.580 It's not bondage.

01:12:34.380 It's a woman in a leather- 1.00

01:12:35.680 Sex worker, right? 0.99

01:12:36.640 No. 0.96

01:12:37.160 No?

01:12:37.520 That's not correct.

01:12:38.180 No.

01:12:38.900 I thought, gosh, I read it.

01:12:41.200 It's a drag queen. 1.00

01:12:42.140 Drag queen and drag queen. 1.00

01:12:44.060 Correct.

01:12:44.380 The leather that they're pointing to is a woman in a leather jacket. 1.00

01:12:47.780 And one of the words is drag queen in the search.

01:12:49.700 And they're supposed to look for those.

01:12:51.360 It is an option at the end of the book, correct.

01:12:53.200 Yeah.

01:12:53.500 Okay.

01:12:53.800 They're going down.

01:12:57.200 And it's going to be a glorious thing, Rich, when they do go down.

01:13:01.420 Oh, yeah.

01:13:02.460 Vomitus.

01:13:03.240 God bless these parents for standing up.

01:13:05.300 It's not always easy to do this.

01:13:07.960 You know, the Montgomery County, one of their arguments was, we can't have an opt-out because

01:13:12.940 so many parents will opt out.

01:13:14.920 Well, maybe that's a sign, right?

01:13:15.780 They said it became unruly.

01:13:17.020 Yeah.

01:13:17.260 What does that tell you?

01:13:18.040 I think that's a sign.

01:13:19.240 The public school, it should be consensus, boring, conventional educational matter.

01:13:26.240 That's it.

01:13:27.160 You know, college, yeah.

01:13:28.660 You know, take your courses on controversial literary theory or critical theory or whatever,

01:13:34.640 but not in grade school.

01:13:37.020 And I think they will prevail.

01:13:40.580 They should prevail.

01:13:41.260 The argument that was made from the progressive side, from the bench, is that this isn't coercion.

01:13:44.940 It's just exposing the children to this material.

01:13:48.320 But that's part of the point, right?

01:13:49.840 These parents don't want their children exposed to pride, puppy, and searching for leather

01:13:54.420 outfits in a book for second graders or whatever it is.

01:13:57.880 It is absurd.

01:13:58.980 The only case you can make for having this stuff in the classroom is that you're going

01:14:02.080 to have an opt-out.

01:14:02.760 You shouldn't even have it then.

01:14:04.060 But to not have an opt-out is totally sustainable, wrong.

01:14:08.400 A travesty won't stand.

01:14:10.060 That's all they're asking for, is an opt-out, this coalition of parents.

01:14:13.320 They're not saying you have to remove it from the curriculum.

01:14:15.520 They're saying, we just want an opt-out.

01:14:17.200 And by the way, where are all the Muslim advocates?

01:14:21.360 Where's Rashida Tlaib? 1.00

01:14:22.780 This is a group.

01:14:24.060 The name flamed us.

01:14:24.820 Our Muslim, a lot of Muslims in this community saying this is totally not kosher with-

01:14:28.660 Great point.

01:14:29.180 I guess kosher is the wrong word.

01:14:30.180 But they're not okay with our religion in promoting this stuff.

01:14:34.460 Not one of the representatives is out there.

01:14:36.180 It's all about Palestine for her. 0.92

01:14:37.900 She won't advocate for them.

01:14:39.820 We'll give another one.

01:14:40.640 And here's Justice Kagan, even Kagan, who, you know, I think technically she's straight.

01:14:49.900 We talked about this another time.

01:14:52.020 Anyway, but even Kagan seemed a bit taken aback by this going out to the very, very young kids.

01:14:57.840 It's SOT 18.

01:14:58.900 I, too, was struck by, these are, you know, young kids, picture books, and on matters concerning sexuality.

01:15:09.220 I suspect there are a lot of non-religious parents who weren't all that thrilled about this.

01:15:14.380 But I guess I'm searching for what in your legal arguments would allow us to draw lines in this area.

01:15:24.280 We think there are lines that can be drawn.

01:15:26.540 They're the same lines that this court has drawn in every other free exercise case.

01:15:30.320 And the burden of a plaintiff has to show that its beliefs are religious, that they are sincere.

01:15:35.640 They have, there has to be a sense of substantial infringement and, or burden or pressure.

01:15:40.300 I'm really searching for something.

01:15:41.880 And I can, I know that you realize that, and you're still not giving me anything other than if it's in a school and a sincere religious parent has an objection, that objection is always going to result in an opt-out.

01:15:58.600 No matter how, no matter what the instruction is like, no matter what the materials are, no matter how old the kids are.

01:16:06.620 And that's the rule that schools everywhere in the country are working under right now.

01:16:11.880 Justice Alito, too, also noted that this case involves extremely young children, as young as five, noting that as kids become older, they're better able to make distinctions about what a teacher's presenting.

01:16:23.220 But when they're that young, it's a very different story.

01:16:26.580 It's really up to adults to filter out what's inappropriate for them.

01:16:32.320 Michael, I, I don't, I don't, I don't think this is going to be one of those cases where Roberts goes soft need or Amy Coney Barrett goes soft need.

01:16:40.660 I think it's looking like a six to three decision from what I've read so far.

01:16:44.880 I think you're right.

01:16:46.280 I mean, ideally, not only that, ideally Gorsuch would then run back and try to rewrite Bostock decision because this is actually a downward consequence of that decision.

01:16:57.960 This is him reaping what he sowed so many years ago, which is basically that he's, he said that if you read the 1964 Civil Rights Act with the same squinted Episcopal eyes that he brought to the case, that transgender people have civil rights as, as transgender identity.

01:17:20.960 Identity. And of course, the schools in the United States would then follow up with a curriculum to foster respect for the most minority of sexual minorities.

01:17:32.600 Of course, this is the downward effect of that.

01:17:35.080 And he should repent.

01:17:36.160 Like we should get sackcloth and ashes out, out, uh, besides the, uh, the judicial garb.

01:17:43.600 Um, no, I don't think it's going to be close, but there's also a kind of, uh, you know, problem in our ruling about religious freedoms.

01:17:52.760 And this is that you have to prove that there's a sincere religious belief.

01:17:56.940 Like, is it really a religious belief that men are men and women are women?

01:18:01.420 It's so true. 0.84

01:18:02.100 I mean, I suppose it is.

01:18:03.420 I suppose it is.

01:18:04.300 I mean, someone, you know, we could have a school of people come along and say, listen, you know, technically when you sit on a chair, there actually is an exchange of molecules between the chair and your, your, your physical body.

01:18:18.220 Therefore, there's no distinction between the two and I can throw you out of a window just as easily as I throw the chair out of a window.

01:18:24.900 And then I have to come and say, well, my Christian faith teaches me that in fact, a person is a person and a chair is a chair.

01:18:31.640 I mean, give, give me a break.

01:18:33.160 Do we have anything common underlying our law or can any fool theory come out of an academic department and lead to us introducing four-year-olds to leather.

01:18:48.220 Daddies and, and drag means give me a break. 0.97

01:18:52.400 So well said.

01:18:53.580 Yeah. 0.86

01:18:53.780 The books are nuts.

01:18:54.660 There's what are your words?

01:18:56.900 One character in the book says, my pronouns are like the weather.

01:18:59.640 They change depending on how I feel.

01:19:02.080 Somebody says, sometimes I use all the pronouns I can think of another book, Prince and Knight grades K through five, a young prince and a knight fall in love after battling a dragon together.

01:19:13.520 I mean, okay.

01:19:14.760 Just like when we were kids.

01:19:16.000 Right now.

01:19:16.680 I mean, like they, they battle.

01:19:18.220 the dragon and then they hop in bed together. That's not how the story ends. Born ready. A

01:19:22.900 mother tells the story of her transgender son, Penelope. Again, K through five. Another book

01:19:29.400 called Love Violet about a same sex crush between classmates. Uncle Bobby's wedding where a niece

01:19:35.220 is concerned about her uncle who's engaged to another man. Won't spend time with her anymore.

01:19:39.960 Look, I'm just going to end with this. One of the other news sources that George Clooney loves

01:19:44.760 is 60 Minutes. And let me just show you, as I say goodbye, how 60 Minutes, when they had Moms for

01:19:50.780 Liberty on, who's been objecting to these kinds of books in our curriculum, K through 12 education,

01:19:56.740 this is how the vaunted 60 Minutes George handled it. There are rogue teachers in America's

01:20:03.820 classrooms right now. Rogue teachers. Rogue teachers. Parents send their children to school

01:20:08.040 to be educated, not indoctrinated into ideology. What ideology are they being indoctrinated into?

01:20:14.760 Let's just say, children in America cannot read. They often dodged questions with talking points.

01:20:23.200 You're being evasive. 21% of Hispanic students are reading a great level. You're being evasive. 1.00

01:20:27.580 What ideology are the children being indoctrinated into? What is your fear?

01:20:32.920 I think parents' fears are realized. They're looking at these books where sexual discussions are

01:20:39.040 happening with their children at younger and younger ages. Tiffany Justice read from sexually 0.99

01:20:44.100 explicit books written for older teens, but found in a few lower schools. Most people wouldn't want

01:20:52.100 them in a lower school. But in a tactic of outrage politics, Moms for Liberty takes a kernel of truth 1.00

01:21:00.140 and concludes these examples are not rare mistakes, but a plot to sexualize children.

01:21:07.440 Unbelievable. Now it's gotten so bad. And it was when they sat with him two years ago that this case

01:21:17.200 has gone all the way up to the US Supreme Court and not a party is arguing it isn't happening. It was not

01:21:26.720 an outrage politics measure. It is not a rare mistake. It's policy that they're openly fighting for and

01:21:36.800 fighting to prevent opt-outs from Scott and George. So pay attention to some better news sources because

01:21:46.880 that one failed mightily. Unbelievable. Is it not, Rich? It's incredible.

01:21:51.360 That clip, it's so telling because that is what they used to call the voice of God, right? That was

01:21:56.680 Walter Cronkite. That was when there were three broadcast networks and nothing else. And they were

01:22:00.660 just telling you the truth. You sat down for 30 minutes and you had to believe every word they say.

01:22:06.380 His DNA is right from there. That's in his line of authority. And he has the voice. He has the look.

01:22:12.120 But it's just so obviously stilted and ridiculous and wrong. And so that's why that whole mode of 0.92

01:22:21.040 media is not as influential as it was and never will be again. Yeah. Well said. Guys, great to see

01:22:28.400 you. Thanks for coming. See you soon. Thank you. Megan, I got a programming tip for you, by the way.

01:22:32.960 Oh, tell me. Recommendation. I think you need to do an afternoon update too. So you're doing morning

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01:25:32.640 majority of cases of Alzheimer's are found in Americans over the age of 65, between 2013 and 2017,

01:25:39.780 they found a 143% increase in diagnoses for those between 55 and 64, a 311% increase in diagnoses of

01:25:50.740 Alzheimer's for those between 45 and 54, and a 373% increase in diagnoses for those between 30 and 44.

01:26:01.040 So listen up. You need to know what you can do to stave off Alzheimer's. And my next guest,

01:26:10.380 a medical doctor, says you can. He's been on the show before. His name is Dr. Dale Bredesen. I respect

01:26:16.380 him immensely. And he's back with a new book called The Ageless Brain, How to Sharpen and Protect Your Mind

01:26:23.900 for a Lifetime. Dale, welcome back to the show. Wonderful to see you. Those stats are really

01:26:30.100 alarming. So is it actually a growing problem or we're just getting better at diagnosing?

01:26:36.280 It's a growing problem. When I was training many years ago, we never saw people in their 40s,

01:26:43.800 50s. This was a disease of, you know, late 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. Now, one of the most common things we see

01:26:49.880 is people who are in their 40s or 50s who are getting diagnosed with Alzheimer's. So yes,

01:26:55.720 we're getting a little better at diagnosing it for sure. There are new blood tests, etc. But

01:27:00.000 there's no question it is on the increase in these young groups. Okay. We've talked before about some

01:27:06.040 of the preventative measures, and I want to go back over some of them now, but I'm going to lead

01:27:09.320 with the most controversial, but maybe promising. You tell me, can Ozempic help stave off Alzheimer's

01:27:17.180 and dementia? It is possible. That's one of the many things, you know, we're hearing from RFK about

01:27:22.580 all these different things. One of the issues is, what are we doing about metabolism? We do not have

01:27:28.280 an optimal, as you know, we do not have an optimal metabolism in most people in this country. Too much

01:27:34.180 high-carb food, too much ultra-processed food, and a lot of damage, frankly, to our metabolic systems.

01:27:40.320 And so this is one of the possibilities. And there are other things as well. There are things you can do

01:27:44.800 to avoid that. But improving your insulin sensitivity, of course, what Ozempic will do

01:27:50.720 will increase your endogenous insulin as well. The problem, of course, is that there are some

01:27:56.000 side effects, and we don't yet know the long-term effects of using GLP-1s.

01:28:02.300 What effect on Alzheimer's do statins have? Because I have been hearing all sorts of info about,

01:28:08.900 they're good, no, they're bad.

01:28:10.240 Yeah, it's a great point, because they're both. That's the problem. So they have one effect,

01:28:17.360 which is to reduce the overall inflammation. And as I pointed out in the book, which, as you know,

01:28:23.780 this book is really about saving synapses for all of us. You know, in the U.S., whether you live to 80,

01:28:29.300 90, 100, 110, of course, people are trying to push that up far to 140, 160, whatever it is,

01:28:36.160 your lifespan, unfortunately, is not met often by your brain span. So you get to 40 or 50 or 60,

01:28:42.960 and things just collapse, as you know. And so, as you indicated, more young people having a problem.

01:28:49.660 So this is a time in which you've got to look at what are these different drivers.

01:28:57.700 And so what will happen with the statins, yes, you lower the inflammation, which, by the way,

01:29:02.540 you can do with other things. You don't need statins to do that. But you also lower the support

01:29:07.640 for the brain. You lower the cholesterol. And to be fair, you make some in the brain as well.

01:29:13.320 But if you use a statin, if you have to do that, and we recommend you do other things first,

01:29:19.080 there are things like Zetia and Bergamot and just changing your diet and exercise, a lot of things

01:29:24.660 you can do before you ever need statins. And there are also things beyond. PCSK9 inhibitors can be even

01:29:30.900 better than this. But if you're going to use a statin, use one that would be called a hydrophilic

01:29:36.540 statin. That would be like a Crestor instead of one that is a hydrophobic statin, which would be

01:29:42.020 like a Lipitor. Let's go through again. The book is called The Ageless Brain by Dr. Dale Bredesen,

01:29:47.640 who I completely respect and support. The diet, I mean, diet, exercise, supplements, and toxins,

01:29:54.820 I think are like the big categories. I've heard you say dairy is not great. Now,

01:30:01.780 dairy, like you're saying like Greek yogurt every day is not good for preventing Alzheimer's because

01:30:07.360 that's it's like so good for doing so many other things for you. Yeah, it's a great point. And for

01:30:12.640 some people, it'll be OK. But here's the problem. When you have any sort of dairy can produce some

01:30:19.580 degree of inflammation. So if you've got someone who already has some degree of cognitive decline,

01:30:24.940 or if you're trying to optimize your brain span, then you want to take that into account. You want

01:30:31.100 to get rid of grains, which can damage your lining of your gut. You want to get rid of dairy. And it's

01:30:38.800 not to say you can't slowly reintroduce it in the future. But you have to remember, when you see

01:30:43.940 someone who's beginning to have some cognitive decline, only one of two things will happen.

01:30:48.940 Either you will help them to improve, and we've published that many times, or they will die.

01:30:56.280 They will go on to develop Alzheimer's disease and pass away. So we want to do everything possible.

01:31:02.860 We want to pull out all the stops to get the optimal reversal of cognitive decline. And we were

01:31:10.160 the first to publish that back in 2014. And so that does, we want to do everything possible.

01:31:15.380 That includes getting rid of some grains. That includes getting rid of dairy. And it includes

01:31:19.960 getting rid of simple carbs. And then you want to have a plant-rich, mildly ketogenic diet. You want

01:31:25.720 to have appropriate exercise, as you said, and just go right down the list. Managing stress, optimizing

01:31:31.720 sleep. These are things that people aren't doing. When I ask people, you know, how much did you sleep

01:31:37.380 last night? What did your wearable show for your sleep? They don't know. So you want to have at

01:31:42.420 least seven hours of sleep at night. You want to have at least an hour and a half of REM each night.

01:31:47.160 You want to have at least one hour of deep sleep each night. And you want to have an oxygen

01:31:51.960 concentration, saturation in your blood of at least 94% while you're sleeping. So many people don't have

01:32:00.280 that. So they are getting, this is why the brain span in America does not equal the lifespan in

01:32:06.180 America. And that's something that clearly can be improved. By the way, folks, this can all show

01:32:11.460 up. I have an aura ring on here. They're not paying me. I paid for this, but all that information Dale

01:32:16.000 just mentioned is comes to me every morning on this aura ring. You can get a Fitbit, you can get an

01:32:19.840 Apple watch, but all that stuff is very easy to get your arms around to find on exercise. It's a

01:32:26.340 certain kind of exercise. Is it not like I've been told that the best aerobic exercise for somebody

01:32:30.660 trying to stave off Alzheimer's includes at least a couple of times a week interval training?

01:32:36.200 It's a, yeah, it's a great point. So there's so much now for all of these things that we know that we

01:32:40.620 didn't know even just a few years ago. So as you said, HIIT, this high intensity interval training

01:32:46.840 has turned out to be the one that seems to be the most effective at reducing your risk for cognitive

01:32:51.860 decline. But then beyond that, there are things like katsu bands. These are restriction bands you can put on 0.53

01:32:58.000 your arms and your legs. And what they do is they actually give you more bang for your buck

01:33:01.420 because what happens, Megan, is you get different mechanisms. So when you do strength training,

01:33:06.840 you are improving your insulin sensitivity, which is critical for your brain and critical for

01:33:12.780 preventing cognitive decline of Alzheimer's disease. On the other hand, when you do the aerobic

01:33:18.280 training, you are improving blood flow and oxygenation. This is one of the reasons something

01:33:23.400 called EWOT is so helpful, which is exercise with oxygen therapy. EWOT gives you better blood flow and

01:33:30.140 better oxygenation at the same time. So many people find this very helpful. So there's a lot of new

01:33:36.140 understanding about what works the best and what are things that are available to get best outcomes in

01:33:41.480 that area. This is all in the book. You can learn more about that oxygen therapy. Sounds kind of fun

01:33:46.860 to like be on the treadmill with your little mask on. I'll do it if it'll help my brain. Again,

01:33:51.120 the book is The Ageless Brain. Dr. Bredesen, of course, also the author of The End of Alzheimer's

01:33:56.660 and many amazing, great books. Okay. So a little bit of sleep. We talked about that. A little bit

01:34:02.080 of diet, exercise. Now the detoxification of one's life is very important. It just took a nice step

01:34:09.880 forward today with RFKJ banning some of the food dyes, not all of them, but he got it the first eight.

01:34:15.420 It's a start. Nobody's even been paying attention to this stuff, but what are the big ones?

01:34:20.120 So the big three are things that are inorganics, and that would be things like air pollution we know

01:34:28.600 is a huge issue, and that's been published repeatedly as increasing risk for Alzheimer's

01:34:33.540 disease. Here in California, the California fires, big issue. Also things like mercury amalgams,

01:34:39.920 things like that. So those are all under the inorganics. Then the organics, and that's things

01:34:44.600 like anesthetic agents. People have these long anesthetic procedures and then start to go downhill

01:34:49.460 after that. So you need to detox from that. Things like benzene, toluene, glyphosate, all of

01:34:56.460 those are in the organic group. And then finally, the biotoxin group. And again, this is something

01:35:01.580 that hasn't even been recognized, hasn't been talked about nearly enough. There are biotoxins that we live

01:35:08.720 with, things like trichothecines and opratoxin A. And these are things that are typically made by

01:35:15.000 different mold species. And as you know, Megan, one of the ones that's been talked about a lot lately

01:35:19.960 on the organic part is microplastics. There is increasing evidence that, number one, we're all

01:35:27.160 exposed to these things. They're in the air, they're in the water, they're in the food, things like that.

01:35:32.180 What we know now is that they concentrate in your brain. We are all exposed to and ingesting,

01:35:39.160 on average, one credit card worth of microplastics each week. So the increase in our exposure has

01:35:48.700 been dramatic. How do we get those out of our... I mean, like you talk about air pollution and

01:35:53.860 microplastics in the air, just like an air filter? Yeah. So there are a couple of things. So air

01:35:59.260 filters, things like HEPA filters for your home, very helpful. In addition, you can now undergo things

01:36:04.820 like plasma exchange. Plasmapheresis will reduce this by about 70% dramatic reductions in these,

01:36:13.420 whether you do through plasmapheresis, you can also do it through things like sauna and sweating,

01:36:18.780 followed by showers with non-toxic soaps. So there are lots of ways to get at this. Increasing your

01:36:24.140 glutathione level, you can take things like NAC and acetylcyste or S-acetylglutathione, any of these

01:36:30.580 sorts of things. Some people will actually go and get IVs with glutathione in them. Something called

01:36:35.400 the PK protocol could be very helpful. So on and on and on, there are things that can be done. But as

01:36:41.400 you said, you've got to recognize this. You've got to know that we are exposed to this. And we now know

01:36:47.100 that they do concentrate in the brain more than the liver, more than the kidney. And we know that

01:36:52.720 they're associated. Your level of microplastics is associated with your risk for cognitive decline.

01:36:58.840 What's not clear yet is whether these are causal or simply in effect. It may be that as you're

01:37:05.180 getting dementia, you allow them into your brain more. That's not been clear yet. So the concern

01:37:11.980 at the moment is that these probably are part of the overall causation of risk for cognitive decline.

01:37:18.980 You've got to have your house tested for mold and not the air test, those like Swiffer tests where

01:37:26.020 you let the dust build up for two weeks, you wipe the dust, you send the dust rag in.

01:37:31.360 It's the air test is not worth the paper. It's printed on. I went through this personally. We

01:37:35.080 just went through a very expensive renovation of our beach home because it was riddled with mold

01:37:40.400 riddled. I learned that from the last time, the first time you came on in 2022. But I mean,

01:37:45.360 now we've resolved that. Then there's Lyme disease, which a lot of people openly have,

01:37:49.040 and sometimes just like a latent form of it. You can clean that up. The point is that

01:37:52.640 many people don't want to know, doc, like they're like, if I get it, I'm going to get it. But what

01:37:58.020 you've been saying for so many years now is there really are things you can do to stave it off. And

01:38:04.580 if you would just pay attention now before you're symptomatic or when you just maybe have a couple

01:38:09.280 of symptoms, you really can potentially turn this aircraft carrier around. Absolutely. And in fact,

01:38:16.180 we're rapidly getting to a point where we are able to make sure that nobody gets this. So here's the

01:38:23.000 big problem, Megan. The current standard of care in medicine has got the biggest gap in history

01:38:31.740 between what is being done with the standard of care and what is actually possible and available.

01:38:38.660 You just mentioned that you had your home renovated because it was full of mold. Who's doing that?

01:38:44.460 Not very many people are doing that. There is so much that this gap is what we hope is going to be

01:38:51.200 addressed by the new administration. You know, when you hear RFK talk about peptides, about

01:38:56.600 bioidentical hormones, about stem cells, about all of these things that have not been the standard of

01:39:03.520 care, what's available today is far more than what is being utilized and our health is suffering for it.

01:39:10.500 So people need to know that Dr. Bredesen does not need the money from this book. He's been doing

01:39:16.640 very well. He's in high demand, but he's refreshed this book and put it out there. I mean, it's a new

01:39:21.520 book, but he's refreshed his teachings from the end of Alzheimer's and it's available right now. All

01:39:26.100 this stuff is in the book. It's called the ageless brain. I have it. I highly, highly recommend it.

01:39:31.000 It's an easy read. He writes in a way that you can consume and digest. And then it's a reference for

01:39:35.080 you. If you want to figure out what, what's a plasma exchange, what's PK protocol all in there.

01:39:39.860 And I'm, I know I speak for many when I say, I'm so grateful to you, Dr. Bredesen. Thank you so much

01:39:44.880 for writing the book and coming on and talking to us. Thank you, Megan. Great to talk to you as

01:39:49.360 always. Oh, the one and only, I mean, everybody loves him. You know, Dr. Mark Hyman was on. He loves

01:39:54.440 Dr. Bredesen. They all, there's like everyone else. And then there's Dr. Bredesen when it comes on

01:39:59.140 to the subject of preventing Alzheimer's. The book again is the ageless brain, how to sharpen

01:40:04.980 and protect your mind for a lifetime. We're back tomorrow with Glenn Greenwald. We'll see you then.

01:40:13.600 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 23, 2025

Megyn's Response to Clooney, Hegseth Saga Gets Personal, and Stopping Alzheimer's, with Rich Lowry, MBD, and Dr. Dale Bredesen ｜ Ep. 1055

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