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00:01:01.320 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:06.900 Hey, everyone. It's me, Megyn Kelly, and I hope you're having a happy Labor Day.

00:01:17.860 We are back with a new show tomorrow, but today I want to bring you some recent MK Media Podcast Network highlights.

00:01:25.180 We're kicking things off with Spot On with Link Lauren, then some After Party with Emily Jashinsky,

00:01:31.900 some The Nerve with Maureen Callahan, and also we have our newest MK Media show,

00:01:37.400 MK True Crime, with our Kelly's Court friends and legal experts.

00:01:42.860 Last time we did this, it did really well.

00:01:45.400 We heard so many great emails from all of you saying more of that.

00:01:48.720 We really enjoyed the compilation, so enjoy this too,

00:01:51.560 and we will see you tomorrow with Ben Shapiro.

00:01:55.180 Just like clockwork, this happens all the time, right?

00:01:57.800 The liberal literati, these folks who preach about diversity and acceptance and loving everybody,

00:02:03.400 they don't love diversity of thought, and that's what we've seen with the folks over at Vanity Fair.

00:02:08.340 So Vanity Fair, the editor-in-chief, a man named Mark Giaducci,

00:02:13.340 reportedly wants First Lady Melania Trump to be on the cover.

00:02:17.000 But the folks at Vanity Fair are threatening to walk out and protest

00:02:20.400 if they put the First Lady of the United States on the cover.

00:02:23.100 Here's what they said, I will walk out the mother-effing door and half my staff will follow me.

00:02:28.820 One editor fumed to the Daily Mail.

00:02:31.400 We are not going to normalize this despot in his wife. 0.99

00:02:34.880 We're just not going to do it.

00:02:36.600 We're going to stand for what's right.

00:02:39.160 If I have to work bagging groceries at Trader Joe's, I will do it.

00:02:43.060 If Giaducci puts Melania on the cover, half of the editorial staff will walk out.

00:02:47.960 I guarantee it.

00:02:49.840 My message to the staff is, bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

00:02:54.560 Goodbye.

00:02:55.200 Okay, if you're a little pansy crybaby and you can't handle that your magazine might put First Lady Melania Trump on the cover, 0.87

00:03:01.880 this probably isn't the industry for you, right?

00:03:04.340 When we've seen in the past, look at Vogue magazine and Anna Wintour.

00:03:07.940 They put Jill Biden on the cover three times.

00:03:11.380 They put Michelle Obama on the cover three times.

00:03:14.760 This is what happens, right?

00:03:15.580 If you're a Democrat, you could be a terrible First Lady. 1.00

00:03:17.860 You don't have to be good looking.

00:03:19.120 You don't have to have any success.

00:03:20.620 You don't have to have any good initiatives.

00:03:22.340 But what do they do?

00:03:23.380 Because you happen to have a D next to your name and you're a Democrat and you check their boxes,

00:03:27.400 you get put on the covers.

00:03:28.780 You get nothing but positive press.

00:03:30.720 First Lady Melania Trump, because she happens to be married to a Republican in the Republican Party

00:03:35.680 and have an R next to her name, suddenly she's persona non grata at these magazines. 0.64

00:03:40.180 But you know who doesn't care?

00:03:41.400 You know who doesn't give a rat's ass?

00:03:42.940 It's First Lady Melania Trump.

00:03:44.300 I'm here to tell you.

00:03:45.180 This is one of the most secure, confident women, right?

00:03:48.760 She's been on the cover of magazines.

00:03:50.280 She's modeled. 0.64

00:03:51.020 She's a high-fashion, gorgeous supermodel. 1.00

00:03:53.860 Okay, objectively, I can say this.

00:03:56.160 Objectively, the most stunning First Lady we've had at least in decades, probably ever.

00:04:00.620 So First Lady Melania Trump, does she care that the folks at Vanity Fair want to put her on the cover? 1.00

00:04:05.600 Probably not.

00:04:06.520 She's been on the cover before.

00:04:07.880 I think First Lady Melania Trump was on the cover back in maybe 2017 or at the beginning of the first term

00:04:13.120 or right before the first term, maybe in 16 or 15.

00:04:16.000 So she's been on the cover of Vanity Fair. 0.50

00:04:17.940 Does she need to do it again? 1.00

00:04:19.360 No.

00:04:19.700 She's probably busy raising Barron, working on the Take It Down Act, working on Be Best.

00:04:24.480 She now has a new AI initiative.

00:04:26.200 She's focused on doing things that are actually going to help kids in this country.

00:04:29.040 I don't think First Lady Melania Trump cares about being on the cover of Vanity Fair. 1.00

00:04:33.620 But this is what the liberal literati does.

00:04:36.480 They melt down and they flip out if a Republican woman gets anything cool or exciting, right? 1.00

00:04:41.280 If you put a Republican woman on the cover, we're going to walk out and bag groceries. 1.00

00:04:44.680 And like I said, my message to them is go ahead and walk out.

00:04:49.660 And what's interesting to me, and I've spoken about this before, when you look at First Lady

00:04:53.320 Melania Trump, right?

00:04:54.380 She's an immigrant. 1.00

00:04:55.340 She's self-made.

00:04:56.360 She came to this country. 0.96

00:04:57.200 She pulled herself up by her bootstraps and made things happen, right?

00:05:01.520 She had a full successful career, a full successful career before she ever met Donald Trump, before

00:05:07.460 she ever became First Lady of the United States, right? 0.98

00:05:09.820 And she's carried herself with grace, dignity, and class as she's had friends stab her in the

00:05:14.680 back, right?

00:05:15.460 Friends stab her in the back, turn on her, get unfair press time and time and time again.

00:05:20.820 She's carried herself with dignity.

00:05:22.080 You can even look at someone like Usha Vance, right?

00:05:24.940 Thinks she's the first Indian second lady of the United States. 0.61

00:05:29.300 She's the first South Asian second lady of the United States.

00:05:33.260 But because she's a Republican, she is going to get bad press as well.

00:05:37.600 So First Lady Melania Trump and Usha Vance, these are folks that the left would have loved,

00:05:42.080 right?

00:05:42.660 You've got Usha, you've got Melania, who's self-made.

00:05:46.180 She's an immigrant. 1.00

00:05:46.900 She speaks all these languages.

00:05:48.140 But because she happens to be a Republican, she gets crapped on by the liberal media.

00:05:53.300 But the good thing here, and I'm looking at these quotes still, the good thing here is

00:05:57.920 that these folks have no influence anymore.

00:05:59.740 They just don't have any influence, right?

00:06:01.500 They want to do a walkout and do some like Gandhi protest and walk out of the Vanity Fair

00:06:06.200 offices because they might put Melania Trump on the cover. 1.00

00:06:09.860 Go for it.

00:06:10.700 No one cares, okay?

00:06:12.000 With social media, everything's online now.

00:06:14.340 The democratization of media in general.

00:06:16.460 You guys don't have that much influence.

00:06:18.320 Same with the major networks.

00:06:19.760 Look at like MSNBC and CNN and all these networks.

00:06:22.280 You guys don't have that much influence.

00:06:23.880 No one cares.

00:06:24.660 So you guys can walk out.

00:06:25.940 You can go work at Trader Joe's.

00:06:27.120 You won't be missed whatsoever.

00:06:29.400 And as you guys know, I love the First Lady of the United States.

00:06:31.860 I think she's great.

00:06:32.760 I think she's incredible.

00:06:33.900 She's been so unfairly maligned for years.

00:06:36.420 If she ends up on the cover of Vanity Fair, great.

00:06:39.020 If she doesn't, I'm here to tell you, she certainly doesn't care.

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00:08:01.060 I want to show, first of all, Megan prepping for Chrissy and the way in which Megan introduces her.

00:08:08.560 So let's get to her mincing about in anticipation of Chrissy Teigen.

00:08:15.320 Chrissy Teigen's coming.

00:08:17.260 She's the quintessential multi-hyphenate model, entrepreneur, mom, cookbook author, and all-around foodie. 0.69

00:08:24.740 Megan forgot to add bully. 0.99

00:08:29.760 Yeah.

00:08:30.340 The online bully.

00:08:32.460 Terrible asshole.

00:08:34.080 Who told Courtney Stodden, a young starlet who was really struggling to go take a dirt nap and find other ways of killing herself. 1.00

00:08:41.940 You know, Megan, who told us that she was so suicidal when she was pregnant, but the royal family wouldn't let her get help,

00:08:48.640 and allegedly, reportedly, has a file this thick over at Buckingham Palace investigating her own bullying of staff over there, 0.98

00:08:58.000 decides who better for a show about friendship and entertaining than Chrissy Teigen. 0.91

00:09:03.000 Well, don't forget, Megan this year was in New York on CBS promoting the Parent Network,

00:09:10.240 this charity that is supposed to protect children from online bullies, protect children from suicide because they're being harassed online.

00:09:18.500 And then she spotlights an online bully that targeted a teenager.

00:09:24.620 I mean, none of it makes sense.

00:09:26.500 I don't know who the first chef is.

00:09:29.860 I think the London Standard made a huge deal about this this week about the chef that's featured on her first episode is also accused of terrorizing his employees.

00:09:42.760 So it's like, is this a theme?

00:09:44.720 Is that where you go when you're an a-hole with love Megan to just, you know, try to rebrand yourself?

00:09:51.960 Yeah, it's like, you know, my mom always used to say, water seeks its own level, you know?

00:09:58.480 Like, anybody of, like, quality you would think would go nowhere near this.

00:10:02.720 I mean, so this is the next part where, because you see truly, I think, the desperation in who she can book for this show.

00:10:10.900 And she's such an idiot. 1.00

00:10:12.800 She talks about Chrissy being one of her Hollywood friends, like a friend.

00:10:21.020 She uses the word friend who she hasn't seen, Kinsey, in 20 years.

00:10:27.000 So she met her at an event once, you know, and they exchanged emails, maybe.

00:10:32.120 Let's, let's look at this.

00:10:34.140 Knock, knock. 0.93

00:10:35.020 Oh, my God.

00:10:36.260 Hi.

00:10:39.740 Full on embrace.

00:10:41.840 Come on in.

00:10:42.800 I'm just lurking back here.

00:10:45.360 How are you?

00:10:46.140 Good to see you.

00:10:47.140 How's everything?

00:10:47.460 Comes John Legend, her husband.

00:10:48.660 I would have told H to come.

00:10:51.740 Vomit.

00:10:53.000 You take it, Kinsey.

00:10:54.080 Okay, okay.

00:10:54.660 So first of all, they were both deal or no deal girls at the same time and were not friends.

00:11:00.240 Is that true?

00:11:01.040 I didn't know that.

00:11:01.880 Chrissy was a deal or no deal girl? 0.85

00:11:03.560 Yeah, and so they're, and they kind of discuss it.

00:11:05.920 And you get, you, even when they're discussing it, you realize that these two are not friends,

00:11:09.720 that they were not friends throughout the time that they were both deal or no deal

00:11:12.680 girls.

00:11:12.920 You're right about an event.

00:11:14.520 They both did a promotional event for direct TV for a Super Bowl back in the day, like back

00:11:21.440 in the day.

00:11:22.140 But again, these people aren't friends.

00:11:25.020 They reconnect when Meghan Markle writes her op-ed about baby loss.

00:11:30.100 Because Chrissy Teigen, we all know this thanks to the photo shoot she did after she lost

00:11:34.960 her child, also has publicly acknowledged child loss.

00:11:38.560 And I'm not trying to diminish that at all.

00:11:41.060 But the, but especially in Meghan's case, we want our privacy.

00:11:45.380 You know, she picks and chooses when she wants her privacy. 1.00

00:11:48.400 But I have a little bit, I want to ask you about the John Legend appearance.

00:11:52.660 I have a source in LA, I have a source in London who works with a charity that Meghan Markle

00:12:01.380 is still associated with.

00:12:03.040 And there is fear come Christmas time.

00:12:05.820 I don't have all the details, but there is fear that Meghan Markle's going to try to do

00:12:09.940 something in the music space around the holidays.

00:12:13.100 And the charity is upset because they feel like it conflicts with Catherine, the Princess

00:12:18.820 of Wales.

00:12:19.460 Not only does she do this gorgeous choir concert, but remember when she sat down and played the

00:12:23.880 piano around, and that video went viral of Catherine playing the piano?

00:12:28.600 I'm wondering if Meghan has roped in John Legend to try to do some sort of music project

00:12:34.520 associated with this London charity to help promote her Christmas special on Netflix.

00:12:39.700 Because the John Legend thing is too bizarre to me.

00:12:42.720 I mean, I guess Chrissy Teigen needed him there to tell her when their child was born.

00:12:46.700 Oh, we'll get to that.

00:12:47.640 We'll get to that.

00:12:48.300 Otherwise, why is John Legend there?

00:12:50.500 Well, you know, they travel together all the time.

00:12:53.680 They're like, Chrissy Teigen drags him everywhere, like an emotional support spouse.

00:13:00.080 She can't, and we'll see why.

00:13:02.580 We'll see why in a minute.

00:13:05.740 But so this is great.

00:13:07.560 I actually, I love this.

00:13:09.680 I can only hope that Meghan Markle gifts us this Christmas with entering the music space.

00:13:16.460 Please do, Meghan.

00:13:17.400 Please.

00:13:17.900 I do not predict it would be John Legend, though.

00:13:20.220 Really?

00:13:20.660 I mean, those two are fame whores, and they'll go anywhere. 1.00

00:13:23.260 No, I'm going to think it's going to be someone more like a little Wayne, and we're going to

00:13:29.960 be reenacting like the twerking video from the delivery room.

00:13:34.240 It's something like that.

00:13:35.340 If we're lucky, if we're lucky.

00:13:38.500 Poor Jesus, poor baby Jesus.

00:13:40.340 He deserves so much more.

00:13:41.500 But yeah, the charity is concerned because they're like, what is she going to do?

00:13:46.960 Yeah.

00:13:47.400 And really, she has been such a burden to them, demanding.

00:13:52.280 She picked her own photographer for a shoot at one point for this charity.

00:13:56.580 She did not like the photos, demanded that the photos be retaken.

00:14:00.780 And it was going to be like at least $5,000, and the charity had to go back to her and say,

00:14:06.600 we can't afford that.

00:14:07.780 If you want to do these pictures again, if you need to use your own photographers, we can't

00:14:12.860 afford that.

00:14:13.580 I mean, she is such a burden that I understand almost why she's completely disappeared when

00:14:20.780 it comes to Prince Harry's charity pursuits.

00:14:22.980 Well, yes, of course.

00:14:27.120 She's really – I don't understand why these charities just don't cut her loose.

00:14:32.360 Just say thanks, but no thanks.

00:14:33.860 You're actually befouling our brand, and we've had sufficient.

00:14:40.200 Now, when Chrissy comes in to admire the finished bread, the sourdough dome, which has been sliced

00:14:52.260 into, there's not a lot of continuity in this production.

00:14:55.180 But Chrissy has those coffin nails, which all those do is collect dirt and dust mites and 1.00

00:15:01.840 debris.

00:15:02.160 And she has her hair, which is styled with no end of product, and then, of course, her

00:15:08.160 face, which is extremely heavily made up.

00:15:10.500 She then takes said hands and puts them all over the bread, all over the bread to remark 0.79

00:15:17.260 upon its texture and its feel, and so disgusting.

00:15:20.860 It's like, I wouldn't touch a thing out of that kitchen.

00:15:24.560 I wouldn't touch a thing, let alone ingest it.

00:15:26.840 So here comes Chrissy talking to her good – her great best friend, Megan, about how

00:15:34.660 much fun she's having with 80 crew crammed into this fake kitchen. 1.00

00:15:40.280 This is my most ideal day that I could imagine.

00:15:43.060 So fun.

00:15:44.400 Oh, yeah.

00:15:45.460 Oh, my God.

00:15:46.040 The crust on it.

00:15:47.040 Here's the thing.

00:15:48.000 When you sit around making this, I literally was just like, oh, do I want any more bread?

00:15:51.100 No.

00:15:51.200 And I'm like, I have to eat it.

00:15:52.740 I know.

00:15:53.400 It took days.

00:15:54.560 It took days.

00:15:55.120 To make it.

00:15:55.780 This was my starter.

00:15:57.380 I thought it'd be good for –

00:15:58.020 That's beautiful.

00:15:58.480 The conversation is riveting.

00:16:00.260 It actually comes from a really dense texture to this kind of fluffy, whipped goodness.

00:16:04.620 Oh, my gosh.

00:16:06.040 It's so weird how she makes all of this stuff before the guests come over.

00:16:10.420 Wait, wait, wait, there's something called the discard of the starter, which I think they

00:16:14.300 need to rename that.

00:16:15.220 I don't like –

00:16:15.840 The discard.

00:16:16.920 No, it's like – I'm not a fan of that word.

00:16:19.700 Okay, it's called the discard of the starter, the starter being the sourdough mix.

00:16:26.500 Who cares?

00:16:27.400 But she says, I don't like that word discard.

00:16:29.580 They need to rename it.

00:16:30.660 And that struck me as very interesting because you are probably familiar with the concept of

00:16:36.840 the narcissistic discard.

00:16:38.800 And that is when the narcissist is done with you.

00:16:41.180 And those who may be familiar with Megan's narcissistic discard, just my opinion, are

00:16:46.740 Megan Markle's father, Megan Markle's sister, Megan Markle's spouse, who she FedExed the

00:16:53.660 wedding rings back to.

00:16:55.260 Jessica Milroni.

00:16:57.040 Right?

00:16:57.480 The Queen of England, Prince Philip, King Charles, Prince William, and Catherine, Princess

00:17:03.140 of Wales, just off the top of my head.

00:17:05.520 This is a People Magazine opinion article, I'm a Millennial Swifty headline and I'm going

00:17:10.220 to say it, Taylor and Travis's engagement felt like a milestone win for our generation.

00:17:16.640 I'm giggling because the way that's written is a little cringe, but I've actually written

00:17:20.360 about some of Taylor's past records as milestone losses for our generation.

00:17:26.180 I think I wrote a piece at the Federalist a couple of years ago about how her arc reflects

00:17:30.500 the arc of a lot of millennials who do sort of serial dating and don't settle down

00:17:40.180 but clearly desperately want to settle down.

00:17:43.580 And because they haven't settled down, in some ways look to politics, materialism as

00:17:51.220 their identity and where they find their meaning and their purpose.

00:17:55.700 And I really believe this is true, that Swift reflected that.

00:17:59.560 And I think this author, again, as cringy as the headline is, is correct, that Swift is

00:18:06.220 again, once again, mirroring the millennial generation as people hit their 30s, mid-30s

00:18:13.220 and do genuinely settle down.

00:18:17.160 Now, there are a lot of, there was a really smart conservative reaction in Compact magazine

00:18:22.880 by Patrick Brown of the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

00:18:25.300 He said, there's not going to be a Taylor Travis baby boom.

00:18:29.800 And that's because they're already older.

00:18:33.380 They're not old, but they're already older.

00:18:36.080 Having, you could, I think, fairly argue, prioritize, whether willingly or not, careers.

00:18:42.880 And they're probably not going to be able to have that many children.

00:18:45.980 We don't know that, but that's on average.

00:18:48.060 What we see, there's statistics, Limestone at the Institute for Family Studies has this data

00:18:52.540 on how women right now in America are saying that they end up having fewer children than

00:18:57.420 they wanted.

00:18:58.400 That's a really serious thing for us to think about as a culture and not an unserious point

00:19:04.000 to make in the wake of all of this.

00:19:05.340 But the author of the People magazine piece, Emily Rella, great name, Emily.

00:19:09.480 There's so many damn millennial Emilys that I could have literally guessed that her name 1.00

00:19:13.880 was Emily.

00:19:15.100 And I probably would have been in great shape.

00:19:19.260 I was always Emily J in class because there were like 20 other Emilys in every class

00:19:22.500 that I was in.

00:19:24.880 Actually, a little piece of lore.

00:19:26.920 I was Emily J.

00:19:28.260 And everyone back home in Wisconsin still calls me MJ, E-M-J, because there were so many people

00:19:35.100 named Emily.

00:19:36.060 That was the only way we could distinguish me.

00:19:40.020 So again, just a little fun fact.

00:19:43.120 I share those from time to time.

00:19:44.540 Why not?

00:19:44.920 So this Emily R writes, I for one was shook, shook by how emotional the news of the engagement

00:19:51.420 made me as a closet softy.

00:19:53.180 I'm usually able to reel it in when big life moments like this happen.

00:19:56.320 I started feeling myself tearing up with joy upon looking at Taylor and Travis's engagement

00:20:00.000 photos before panicking that I was some parasocial fangirl freak, of which there are many.

00:20:05.620 We should know.

00:20:07.060 But then after that passed, I found myself thinking, why of all things, is this hitting

00:20:11.420 me so hard?

00:20:12.480 Is this hitting so hard for me right now?

00:20:15.900 And the author goes on to write, oh, this is awful.

00:20:20.820 I'm 32.

00:20:21.640 That's actually my age.

00:20:22.560 And I've become comfortable with the idea that maybe it won't happen for me the way it

00:20:26.840 happens in movies.

00:20:27.880 I've built a beautiful, chaotic life for myself, complete with relationships, situationships,

00:20:31.780 and absolutely debilitating crushes.

00:20:34.100 No matter how they've ended, they've all taught me something that has helped me define how I

00:20:37.460 want to love, be loved, and experience love.

00:20:40.260 But as valuable as these lessons have been, they do occasionally feel like puzzle pieces

00:20:43.900 putting together a picture that will eventually be incomplete.

00:20:49.080 And another part, I actually skipped over this.

00:20:52.580 The author writes, as a millennial, our current cultural examples of love, true soulmate level,

00:20:58.600 real L love, aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

00:21:00.740 This notion of yearning and desire and all or nothing consuming passion is seemingly dwindled

00:21:05.000 with the fairytale ending seemingly out of reach.

00:21:07.540 Too many adverbs.

00:21:08.720 That's the editor in me.

00:21:09.800 It's not so much that millennials stop believing in love in some jaded, brooding way.

00:21:13.680 I think it's more so that we've become more comfortable with the idea that it might not

00:21:16.820 happen for us in the way we once dreamed of when we were younger.

00:21:20.280 Now, that reflects the data from Lyman Stone at the Institute for Family Studies I just referenced

00:21:24.720 and what Patrick Brown wrote in Compact.

00:21:27.260 Attracting romantic attention, Emily R goes on to say, or affection isn't difficult these

00:21:30.740 days.

00:21:30.940 Just look at the popularity of the modern-day situationship or the influx of dating apps,

00:21:35.000 which let you mindlessly scroll through suitor after suitor on your phone and decide in

00:21:38.200 a split second whether or not you want to potentially be with this person forever based

00:21:41.900 on a digital first impression.

00:21:44.880 And goes on to write, I mean, this is, I actually really do recommend reading this piece.

00:21:49.320 And now we're here watching Taylor put a final puzzle piece into place.

00:21:53.400 Every heartbreak, every devastation, every grand beginning and glimmer of hope, it all led

00:21:57.100 to this sweet guy who loves her as she is.

00:21:59.240 And it's because we experienced all those milestones right alongside her as we grew into new life

00:22:04.220 faces at the same time that this moment of Taylor finding true, unadulterated, effortless

00:22:08.800 love felt like something to celebrate personally.

00:22:11.800 I think that's right.

00:22:17.660 I think all of those viral videos you're seeing right now about Taylor and Travis and all of

00:22:22.420 the anodyne reposts, people wishing Taylor Swift well, it feels like a lot.

00:22:28.580 It's a frenzy.

00:22:29.900 One of those watershed cultural moments.

00:22:32.800 But why?

00:22:33.180 I think this author put her finger exactly on the reason.

00:22:40.300 This is exactly why.

00:22:42.040 And I know we have this post from Lindyman that we can also throw up on the screen.

00:22:48.100 I thought this was a really good take, too, that gets to some of this.

00:22:51.120 Paul Scalas, he wrote,

00:22:52.300 Marriage used to be the entry point into adult life, one of the first steps.

00:22:55.180 Today, marriage has become the culmination of adulthood, the final step after a long run

00:22:59.460 of individual experiences.

00:23:00.500 People are expected to first build careers, live alone, travel, date for years, and only

00:23:04.280 then settle into marriage.

00:23:05.680 Marriage went from foundation to trophy.

00:23:08.340 Marriage went from foundation to trophy.

00:23:10.760 It is no longer the stabilizing base that anchored young people early, but an almost luxury milestone

00:23:16.120 once life is already sorted out, which is precisely why it's rarer now.

00:23:21.480 That's a really good take.

00:23:22.640 And I think it's a totally fair reaction to the Taylor Travis engagement story.

00:23:27.920 There's the startup marriage versus the merger marriage.

00:23:30.500 If you're Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, who have vast wealth, success, and a decade plus

00:23:37.220 of living alone after college or after your career started, then, yeah, you're definitely

00:23:43.120 in a merger marriage.

00:23:44.380 And we lose the benefits of the startup marriage in a culture that's primarily, where people

00:23:50.840 are primarily ending up in the merger marriage.

00:23:53.780 But I just wanted to reflect on why this touched such a cultural nerve.

00:24:01.460 It's not just because people really like Taylor Swift.

00:24:04.160 She's been like Anne Hathaway, who's had her moments where people, the culture decides, the

00:24:09.120 culture's like cold.

00:24:10.500 We're sort of hot and cold on Taylor Swift, depending on what quote era she's in, even

00:24:14.660 though her hardcore fan base is with her all the way.

00:24:17.760 But overall, you know, that fluctuates.

00:24:22.180 The mood on Taylor Swift fluctuates.

00:24:23.940 But over the last couple of years, it's been pretty steady.

00:24:26.700 You know, she's been criticized by people on the right, including myself, for her forays

00:24:30.480 into politics and ideology.

00:24:32.040 I think that actually hurt her music.

00:24:33.620 One of her worst songs is You Need to Calm Down, and it's just this classist anthem that 1.00

00:24:39.420 should be seen as probably the anthem of that, like, peak woke era, capital P, capital W.

00:24:46.140 And I think that she was worse off for it.

00:24:48.760 It sounds like that was when she was also really unhappy.

00:24:51.580 And I'm not, I don't think it's fair to say by any means that she's like, or even think

00:24:56.560 or care that she's like about to become a conservative.

00:25:00.780 Like, who, I don't, could not possibly care about Taylor Swift's personal politics.

00:25:08.100 But I think everybody wants Taylor Swift to be happy.

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00:27:07.200 This Adelson trial is something else, man.

00:27:14.260 We've got these videos, we've got audios, we've got wiretaps, we've got it all in this

00:27:19.720 trial, and the prosecution is working its way methodically through this evidence.

00:27:25.840 Sometimes, Matt, as you know, and as Jonna, of course, knows, when you're prosecuting a

00:27:29.660 case, you have things that, you know, sometimes we just call them a wart, right?

00:27:34.080 The case is not perfect, and one of the things that a smart prosecutor might do is to try to

00:27:41.840 bring out some of these things during their presentation of evidence so that when the defense

00:27:48.320 hammers on it, you kind of have taken the sting out a little bit.

00:27:51.880 And in that thought, we just heard that recording from one of the wiretaps, you essentially have

00:27:56.880 Charlie Adelson telling his mother, you know, that she didn't do anything wrong and she's

00:28:02.020 got nothing to worry about.

00:28:03.020 And so I think that what that was, was a prosecutor's effort to kind of take the sting out of this

00:28:09.880 so that this piece of it, which doesn't exactly support their case, doesn't have as much weight

00:28:16.980 to be given to it when the defense gets around to their case and to cross-examination on this

00:28:23.100 point so that, you know, the jury kind of takes it in stride and it doesn't sink the case because

00:28:28.760 it actually, this particular piece of it is what we would call exculpatory as to Donna Adelson.

00:28:35.120 But on balance, I think this trial is going along great and I look forward to seeing what

00:28:39.560 the prosecutor has next.

00:28:41.760 So, John, what are your views on this?

00:28:44.860 What does the defense have to work with in your mind?

00:28:47.440 What is the prosecution?

00:28:48.460 What points have they scored so far?

00:28:51.460 What are your thoughts?

00:28:52.960 No, I have a slightly different opinion of the last thought that we just saw than my good

00:28:59.280 friend Phil as well.

00:29:00.380 And here's what I think.

00:29:01.140 I don't, I wouldn't call that piece of evidence so far a war.

00:29:04.900 I think what the prosecution has, many, many dots that they need to connect in this case,

00:29:11.580 and they are connecting them.

00:29:13.180 It's just not, you know, as we all know, it doesn't line up in a nice, simple, linear

00:29:18.820 line.

00:29:19.700 Like they're connecting a dot here, then they're connecting a dot there.

00:29:22.180 And what they're trying to do circumstantially is show the involvement of Donna Adelson in

00:29:29.340 this gigantic scheme.

00:29:31.320 And they're doing it through all of their witnesses.

00:29:33.500 This last piece of evidence that we saw on that side, I think can cut both ways.

00:29:39.460 Yes, is it exculpatory?

00:29:41.380 And in one sense, if you think that a convicted killer telling a potential killer on trial that

00:29:48.040 she didn't do anything wrong is exculpatory, but maybe a juror could look at that and say,

00:29:54.040 well, this just shows another level of involvement in this granny sitting at the defense table. 1.00

00:30:01.540 I think the prosecution is doing a pretty good job of trying to weave this all together.

00:30:10.980 And what I think the defense did was something very surprising.

00:30:15.360 It might have been yesterday when they really went at Wendy Adelson, who is the defendant's

00:30:22.000 daughter.

00:30:22.600 They kind of went at her like a pit bull showing no mercy.

00:30:26.820 But Wendy was cool as a cucumber. 1.00

00:30:28.340 I don't know if anybody had a chance to see that testimony.

00:30:31.740 So I'm going to toss this one back to Phil.

00:30:35.660 When you're talking about cases like this, does the defense have to notify the prosecution

00:30:41.080 if the defendant is going to testify?

00:30:43.200 When will we know one way or another if Donna Adelson is going to take the stand? 1.00

00:30:47.780 No, we won't know until it actually happens.

00:30:50.940 And interestingly enough, a few weeks ago in one of the last pretrial hearings, she announced

00:30:57.860 that she was planning to testify.

00:31:00.020 And now that's not, she's not obligated to testify.

00:31:03.300 The defense never has any burden to produce any evidence or anything like that.

00:31:08.740 The burden is on the prosecutor and it never shifts to the defense.

00:31:12.580 She has an absolute right to remain silent.

00:31:14.540 And I think the strategy, the best strategy is between a criminal defendant and their lawyers,

00:31:20.780 wait and see how the prosecutor's case goes up.

00:31:24.700 And then you can decide whether or not you think your client should or maybe needs to testify

00:31:29.500 because a lot of times they can be their own worst enemy.

00:31:33.700 Sometimes the case is going great for the defense until the defendant opens his or her mouth

00:31:38.940 and then the whole thing goes to hell. 0.57

00:31:40.940 So it's one of these things where we won't know until the last minute.

00:31:45.320 She's announced that she's going to testify, but that could be just a tactic to try to throw

00:31:51.300 the prosecutor off, although a good prosecutor is going to prepare for either scenario.

00:31:57.360 And I promise you, if she testifies, the cross-examination is going to be something

00:32:03.200 that you could probably sell tickets to.

00:32:06.120 What do you think, Donna?

00:32:07.240 You've cross-examined about a million people over the course of your career.

00:32:10.380 And from people I've talked to, you are deadly in the courtroom.

00:32:13.780 I haven't seen that yet, but I haven't seen you in court.

00:32:17.960 If you had to put Vegas odds on this, what do you think at this point?

00:32:23.120 Is Donna, are we going to see Donna Adelson on the stand?

00:32:26.200 And part two of that, is she going to throw her daughter Wendy under the bus? 1.00

00:32:30.880 What do you think?

00:32:31.400 She's already tried to in the cross-examination of Wendy.

00:32:37.180 I think she tried to do that and did it a little bit.

00:32:41.100 And sidebar, my favorite part of any trial is cross-examining witnesses.

00:32:46.840 I know a lot of us think that, oh, closing argument is my favorite part.

00:32:49.300 No, no, no.

00:32:49.600 I love cross-examining witnesses and I love cross-examining them hard.

00:32:54.960 And you're going to have to do this in this case if you're in Donna's camp.

00:33:00.680 This is really funny because in the beginning, in the closing, in the opening statement, or

00:33:06.320 not even, in voir dire, when the prosecution was asking potential jurors, hey, do you think

00:33:11.660 you can convict a granny? 1.00

00:33:13.780 I thought that was a little bit unnecessary.

00:33:16.740 But as we watch this trial, you guys, she does present like a little granny, even though 1.00

00:33:24.220 the testimony is far different.

00:33:25.880 We know from the testimony of her daughter that she was a very controlling, involved, in

00:33:32.600 a sense, grown-up helicopter mom, right?

00:33:35.520 From everything from her daughter's dating habits to what the kids would do.

00:33:39.640 So she was involved, way too involved.

00:33:42.740 And so that's not granny-ish. 0.93

00:33:45.060 That's, you know, very bullish.

00:33:47.560 But as she sits there, just the optics, she looks kind of frail and unassuming.

00:33:54.800 Jurors are watching her.

00:33:56.220 They always do.

00:33:57.760 So I'm interested when we fast forward into the future, when we get a verdict, if any jurors

00:34:03.340 will have a comment on that specifically.

00:34:06.840 Well, let me, if I can add to that point real quick.

00:34:08.780 There's going to be video that's going to be shown to this jury where she is trying to

00:34:14.260 get the hell out of Dodge. 0.76

00:34:15.260 She's at the airport in Miami on a one-way ticket that she's booked to Vietnam, a country

00:34:21.120 that there's no extradition treaty with.

00:34:24.660 And she's seen, like, she pulls her phone back from the cops.

00:34:28.260 And it's almost like, it looks like maybe she's very spry and like, almost like she's

00:34:32.020 wanting to even try to fight the cops or resist arrest.

00:34:35.120 So they're going to be able to contrast that evidence when we get to it with what they see

00:34:40.860 in court.

00:34:41.520 And they're going to see two different things.

00:34:43.460 I think that this whole thing about being the granny in the courtroom, to me, that seems 0.79

00:34:49.420 like a little bit of a charade.

00:34:51.400 Well, in the dating world, somebody who's guarding their cell phone like that is called a red flag,

00:34:56.680 I think, one of the, and legally it's called consciousness of guilt, right?

00:35:02.560 There's actually a formal legal recognition of that common sense thing, right?

00:35:06.200 When somebody is trying to hold a cell phone back or hide something, the jury's allowed

00:35:10.220 to consider that as evidence showing that she might be really afraid of what might be on

00:35:15.780 that cell phone.

00:35:17.020 One of the things that you mentioned, Phil, you said you talked about warts.

00:35:21.620 In California, we always call that drawing the sting by the prosecutors.

00:35:25.220 Why don't we play the next thought, if we could, and let's talk about this witness, Katie Magbawana.

00:35:33.900 During these conversations with Charlie Adelson, was there ever a time when he's in the middle

00:35:42.160 of these conversations with you about what's going to happen, speaking to his mother?

00:35:46.020 From time, sometimes he would get on the phone, he'd kind of look at me weird, and then just

00:35:53.460 step out of the room and discuss whatever he needed to discuss.

00:35:57.920 How many times did this particular situation happen where you were discussing what would

00:36:02.940 eventually become the murder, and his mother was interjected in that way that you just described?

00:36:09.340 More than twice?

00:36:13.100 Yes, ma'am.

00:36:13.780 More than five times?

00:36:15.020 Yes, ma'am.

00:36:15.740 So this was like a regular part of the way this worked whenever this conversation came

00:36:19.720 up?

00:36:20.520 Yes, ma'am.

00:36:21.200 He would consult his mother and come back and speak to you?

00:36:23.580 Yes, ma'am.

00:36:24.760 Did he ever relay to you, you know, my mom says whatever?

00:36:32.140 He never specifically said what he spoke to his mom about.

00:36:36.880 Okay.

00:36:39.780 All right, this one's to you.

00:36:41.180 Jonna, what do you think?

00:36:43.260 Are they drawing the sting a little bit, and why?

00:36:48.740 And again, I think I disagree a little bit with you guys.

00:36:52.620 I look at this evidence as helpful to the prosecution, and here's why.

00:36:57.480 It's sort of like, you got to remember that the jurors are human.

00:37:02.980 And do you guys remember, and this is going to be a weird analogy, so stick with me.

00:37:07.420 Do you remember back in the day when smoking was allowed, say, in restaurants, right?

00:37:12.260 And they'd have a smoking section over here, and the non-smoking section over here. 0.80

00:37:17.020 But if you were in the non-smoking section, you still smelled the smoke, like you can't

00:37:21.720 contain it.

00:37:22.460 What I see the prosecution doing here is she is connecting, again, these dots.

00:37:27.780 She's got this witness who shows up in an orange jumpsuit, so the jury knows that she's,

00:37:32.720 you know, they would have known anyway, probably there was maybe testimony about it.

00:37:36.340 They know that she's convicted of something to do with this crime.

00:37:40.820 They're connecting other dots where Donna is, whether she's kind of in the center or whether

00:37:46.760 she's on the outskirts, like the smoking section of the restaurant, she's there. 1.00

00:37:51.220 And the jury, at the end of the day, is going to say, well, you know, we saw Donna in this

00:37:55.700 part of the crime, and we saw Donna in this part of the crime, and then she was back over 0.98

00:37:58.760 here in this part of the crime.

00:37:59.980 She's involved in this crime inextricably.

00:38:02.600 So I don't see this as harmful at all to the prosecution.

00:38:07.280 I may be all wet, but I don't see it.

00:38:09.100 No, I don't.

00:38:09.620 You know, speaking, I'm sorry, you know, let me go to the next thought, Phil, and let me

00:38:13.120 ask you about that, being all wet.

00:38:16.080 Let's play the next thought where she's asked about washing money.

00:38:19.720 Did you notice that the money was stapled together?

00:38:23.920 Yes, ma'am, it was.

00:38:24.640 It was, okay.

00:38:25.960 Did you notice something else unusual about the money?

00:38:29.640 At that moment, I did it when I opened it, but a couple days after the fact, it was wet

00:38:37.280 and starting to mold.

00:38:39.220 The money itself was damp to the touch?

00:38:41.940 Yes, ma'am.

00:38:42.400 Right, and did you ever mention that fact to Charlie Adelson?

00:38:48.140 I'm pretty sure I contacted him and told him, why is the money wet?

00:38:52.720 What do you mean, pretty sure?

00:38:54.120 You did or you didn't?

00:38:55.240 That I didn't.

00:38:56.080 Okay, and when you contacted him and said, the money's wet, or you just mentioned to him,

00:38:59.820 the money's wet, did he have a response?

00:39:02.180 Yes, ma'am.

00:39:02.780 He told me that his mom washed the money.

00:39:07.340 That she physically washed the money?

00:39:08.960 Yes, ma'am.

00:39:09.520 You started getting paychecks in September after the murder, which continued through May

00:39:14.540 of 2016, is that right?

00:39:16.520 Yes, ma'am.

00:39:17.160 And how would you receive the paychecks?

00:39:19.980 Charlie would give it to me.

00:39:21.580 All right, and you admit that you weren't doing anything to earn that money?

00:39:26.040 No, ma'am.

00:39:26.640 Other than contributing to this murder?

00:39:29.140 Yes, ma'am.

00:39:29.980 Who signed your paychecks from the Adelson Institute?

00:39:33.180 Donna Adelson.

00:39:35.700 All right, Phil, going back to what Donna just said.

00:39:38.160 Um, what's going on with that?

00:39:40.840 We got money.

00:39:41.580 We got signed checks.

00:39:43.200 Tell us what's going on.

00:39:44.440 Well, other than it being a bizarre amount of obvious hearsay coming into this trial by

00:39:50.620 someone who's a convicted felon who has a motive to fabricate her testimony because

00:39:55.640 she's already stated she wants to get some benefit from the prosecution, although she says

00:40:00.460 nothing was promised, um, and although she's testified previously in court in a wildly different,

00:40:07.560 uh, way, uh, putting all that to the side, if a jury believes her, you've got the, you've

00:40:14.820 got Donna Adelson once again showing up. 0.99

00:40:17.240 Like Donna was saying, the smoke is one, is making its way around the room.

00:40:21.400 Here she is signing checks at the Adelson Institute.

00:40:25.160 And even if she doesn't, if that doesn't prove that she knew about the murder ahead of time,

00:40:30.800 she knew that, that this woman, uh, McBanawal was not doing any actual work at the, at the

00:40:37.240 office.

00:40:37.560 So she knows that she's paying her for something that's, that's illegitimate.

00:40:42.660 So she knows that.

00:40:43.720 And this whole conversation where, you know, McBanawal and Charlie are talking about, you

00:40:49.720 know, the, the conspiracy, and then he gets off the phone and he goes and talks to, to

00:40:53.860 his mom and comes back.

00:40:55.120 That also kind of shows that, you know, she is sort of the hidden hand, if you will, that's

00:41:02.340 behind, uh, the conspiracy.

00:41:04.360 And it plays into the prosecutor's theme of her being sort of the, the mastermind.

00:41:09.260 So I think that on balance, this does move the needle forward a little bit for the prosecutor,

00:41:14.080 but it all hinges on the credibility of Catherine McBanawal, which, uh, that's a very much an

00:41:20.400 open question.

00:41:21.540 Good point.

00:41:22.320 So what do you think, Donna?

00:41:23.580 Uh, signed checks, uh, after the fact, and I mean, that's not necessarily hinging just on

00:41:28.900 her credibility, right?

00:41:29.840 You got, they have physically the checks, uh, signature matches.

00:41:33.340 She's got control of the accounts. 0.57

00:41:35.100 What do you think as far as the power of that evidence?

00:41:38.420 Uh, pretty powerful.

00:41:39.960 And you know, this is going to be a theme in the closing argument.

00:41:44.200 When we get there, like if, if Donna Adelson really has nothing to do with anything, why

00:41:50.160 is she paying a person who's not working for the practice?

00:41:53.720 Why is she doing that? 1.00

00:41:54.900 Why does she get nervous when she gets the bump? 0.99

00:41:57.440 Why does she contact Charlie and talk in this weird kind of code? 0.96

00:42:02.420 She is in there.

00:42:04.180 And maybe, maybe the defense at some point is going to try to argue to the jury.

00:42:09.920 Really?

00:42:10.680 How do you parse out when her involvement began?

00:42:14.240 Maybe she didn't have anything to do with the planning phase of this.

00:42:16.560 Maybe she came in afterwards. 0.97

00:42:17.860 I just think jurors are human.

00:42:19.860 They're people.

00:42:20.360 They're going to see too much of Donna's fingerprints figuratively and probably literally on a lot

00:42:26.860 of this evidence to say she's not guilty.

00:42:30.240 So speaking to the bump, let's play the next thought if we could, um, where the undercover

00:42:34.640 agent actually testifies about this.

00:42:37.100 You were asked to approach Donna Adelson.

00:42:39.440 Is that what you did?

00:42:40.380 That is correct.

00:42:41.300 Where did that happen?

00:42:42.200 I believe that happened in South Miami, somewhere near her residence.

00:42:47.420 Okay.

00:42:48.100 And did you just walk up to her on the street, sidewalk?

00:42:51.700 I did.

00:42:52.540 Okay.

00:42:52.960 And what did you do?

00:42:54.680 Well, I was instructed to walk up to her and, um, engage her in small discussion as to

00:43:03.540 why I was meeting with her and then eventually handing her a flyer.

00:43:09.220 Okay.

00:43:09.780 And this cell phone number that it belongs to the phone, the phone number that's written

00:43:14.920 here, are you personally going to carry that around and answer it if, if someone calls it?

00:43:19.880 That is correct.

00:43:20.540 That's solely in my hands and I'm the only one answering.

00:43:23.100 And States 117, those are all the phone calls associated with this number on the sheet here.

00:43:28.600 We've got one from you to the Adelson Institute family business.

00:43:34.280 Recall that?

00:43:35.280 Yes, I do.

00:43:35.960 Okay.

00:43:36.180 And then one from Charlie Adelson to this phone number.

00:43:39.740 Is that right?

00:43:40.520 Yes.

00:43:41.140 And one from Donna Adelson to this phone number, correct?

00:43:43.880 Yes, correct.

00:43:44.480 You know, let's, let's go into the next, uh, shot if we could, and let's connect these

00:43:50.780 if that's all right.

00:43:51.620 If we could play the next shot and then I want to get your guys input on, on this.

00:43:55.240 Cause I think this is amazing.

00:43:57.020 Excuse me.

00:43:57.640 This is Adelson.

00:43:59.300 Hey, go.

00:44:00.120 Just want to give you this.

00:44:01.720 Um, listen, don't be scared.

00:44:05.880 Listen, just want to let you know that, um, we know that your family, uh, has been taking

00:44:10.420 care of Katie and her friend who's going through a replacing time after your problem up north

00:44:16.240 has been solved.

00:44:17.880 And I want to let you know that my brother, he's incarcerated.

00:44:21.280 He helped your family with this problem you guys had up north.

00:44:24.620 And we want to make sure that he's going through some rough times.

00:44:27.920 And we want to make sure that you take care of what he's going through, the way you're

00:44:32.500 taking care of Katie and, uh, two of them.

00:44:38.400 Well, this will explain it.

00:44:42.620 Thank you.

00:44:46.040 Okay.

00:44:46.560 And we get, we got it in the next shot, but Phil, you're an innocent person.

00:44:49.880 That dude comes up to you on the street and hands you essentially what looks like a blackmail

00:44:54.220 letter.

00:44:54.920 What do you do?

00:44:55.840 Well, so, you know, this whole thing about the bump, the, the significance of this, uh,

00:45:02.220 event in the whole story of this case and this murder and this trial cannot be understated

00:45:07.720 because that is what really leads to the broader investigation that, that I think is going to

00:45:13.260 ultimately ensnare, uh, Donna Adelson to the point of conviction.

00:45:17.960 But there's a lot of, a lot of being made of, you know, how she reacts or doesn't react.

00:45:23.920 And generally speaking, I'm not a big fan of trying to say, all right, how someone acts, uh,

00:45:30.360 is somehow evidence of something because how are you, how are you supposed to act in any given

00:45:35.140 scenario, um, is really anybody's guess.

00:45:38.620 So on the one hand, I'm not a fan of that kind of analysis, but on the other hand, I'm a realist.

00:45:43.640 And I know that in the jury room, the jury's going to be saying to themselves, look, if

00:45:48.520 that were me, I'm calling the cops.

00:45:50.960 If that were me, I'm going to say, wait a minute, help my family with the problem.

00:45:54.800 What are you talking about?

00:45:55.800 Who are you?

00:45:56.440 I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's not what she does.

00:45:59.360 She simply takes it and then goes about her day.

00:46:01.920 And then ultimately, as we'll see, she calls Charlie and she makes some other statements

00:46:06.140 to Charlie that, um, seem pretty incriminating.

00:46:09.520 Um, but that bump and her reaction to it is absolutely critical.

00:46:16.020 It's going to be, I think something that is, it's one of the other, you know, pieces of

00:46:20.760 the pie, but it's, it's going to, along with everything else, um, be her undoing in this

00:46:25.780 case, because that is some powerful, powerful video evidence.

00:46:28.840 Okay, well, let's do this.

00:46:30.600 Let me, let's play the next thought, which is the actual phone call.

00:46:33.340 And then John, I want to get your, your, your, uh, your thoughts on what we're about to

00:46:39.200 listen to.

00:46:39.500 If you play the next thought.

00:46:41.100 And who is the first person that the defendant calls after the bump?

00:46:46.300 Charlie Adelson.

00:46:46.980 I think that's, um, I think that you did the work.

00:46:52.100 Can you deliver it to me?

00:46:54.900 Maybe soon?

00:46:55.640 You know, that's what I thought of once, but I'm going to need to talk to you.

00:47:03.180 Okay.

00:47:03.960 Does it involve me or other people?

00:47:06.160 No.

00:47:08.820 Probably don't do that.

00:47:10.540 What's that?

00:47:11.840 Probably don't do that.

00:47:14.280 So, probably don't do that.

00:47:15.760 I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:47:17.380 All right, John, what do you think?

00:47:21.700 You know, the more we listen to that, you guys, the more I think this might be the death

00:47:27.180 knell for her.

00:47:28.320 Why?

00:47:28.700 Because let's go back.

00:47:29.500 I agree that, you know, sometimes when we cover murder cases and the cameras are on a

00:47:33.700 defendant and we're like, oh, we don't judge anybody.

00:47:35.880 We don't know how we react in that case.

00:47:37.440 In this case, it's a different analysis.

00:47:40.260 Donna Adelson is being approached by a big dude on her little secure South Florida street.

00:47:47.020 She doesn't run.

00:47:47.900 She doesn't say, get away from me.

00:47:49.380 She doesn't do what I do when, you know, I'm in Manhattan and somebody hands me a flyer.

00:47:53.420 I'm like, ah, no, get away.

00:47:54.700 Like, she doesn't do that. 1.00

00:47:55.940 She just calmly stands there and she's going to take it all in.

00:47:59.260 And she smartly is not going to really say a word, smartly.

00:48:03.180 But then she processes all that information, calls her co-conspirator son, and very, very

00:48:09.720 cagely, she knows, she's worried that they might be listened to.

00:48:13.800 She doesn't want to create evidence because she's smart like a fox. 1.00

00:48:17.480 And she's like, well, it could involve both of us.

00:48:22.240 Boom.

00:48:22.640 If I'm in that jury box, I'm like, game, set, match.

00:48:26.420 Really, when you take that with all of the other evidence, including the evidence they

00:48:29.900 have yet to hear, but we know they will hear, that is powerful for the prosecution, my opinion.

00:48:37.440 Okay.

00:48:39.000 What do you think, Phil?

00:48:40.280 They're going to go with an accessory after the fact defense on this thing?

00:48:44.120 What are they going to roll with?

00:48:46.220 Well, if they're going to go with that defense, Matt, they certainly have given no indication

00:48:52.760 of it because that would be what we call setting a theme for your defense, which normally you

00:48:57.800 would bring out during your opening argument.

00:49:00.280 You would say, look, she's only been, she's been charged with soliciting.

00:49:04.260 She's been charged with being a co-conspirator.

00:49:06.120 And she's being charged as essentially the principal of this murder.

00:49:09.840 And she's not been charged with any crimes after the murder.

00:49:14.240 And so they would have come out and they would have said that.

00:49:16.700 And they could then embrace this and they could say, well, wait a minute.

00:49:20.960 Yeah, she's, all this evidence points to her being involved with and aware of the conspiracy

00:49:27.100 and trying to conceal it after the fact.

00:49:29.380 And we concede that this makes her look terrible and it makes her look like a criminal, which 0.97

00:49:33.840 she is.

00:49:34.340 But guess what?

00:49:35.080 The prosecutor didn't charge her with any of these crimes after the fact.

00:49:38.560 And therefore, ladies and gentlemen, jury, you have to acquit her.

00:49:41.960 That would be how the defense would work if it were being employed.

00:49:45.340 And honestly, if this were my case, that would probably be the defense that I would use

00:49:50.420 because I can't think of another one.

00:49:52.620 And so, you know, I'm sort of a head scratcher, guys.

00:49:56.280 I don't know why we haven't seen anything like that.

00:49:58.740 But I'm struggling to find a coherent strategy by the defense other than to maybe point the

00:50:06.260 finger at Charlie and even daughter Wendy.

00:50:09.320 But look, if Wendy is also a member of the conspiracy, the defense of Donna pointing that

00:50:14.840 out doesn't mean that Donna can't also be a member.

00:50:18.820 So this thing is all over the place.

00:50:24.320 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 01, 2025

Melania Trump, Meghan Markle, Taylor Swift, and the Donna Adelson Trial - MK Media Highlights

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