The Megyn Kelly Show - Meltdown at NBC Over Ronna Hire, and Meghan Markle's Cringe New Brand, with Michael Knowles and Dan Wootton

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.200 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I'm back live with you after

00:00:16.940 some time off with my family. We had a lovely spring break and I hope if you were on vacay

00:00:21.420 with your family, you did as well. We have so much to get to. I'm really looking forward to

00:00:28.080 today's show. That's the one downside of being off is I miss all of you and I miss talking about

00:00:32.940 the news with you. And my gosh, there's great stuff to go over today. Two of my favorites here today to

00:00:38.600 help us kick things back off. Later, I'll be joined again by our pal Dan Wooten. He's back on again,

00:00:44.360 you know, twice in three weeks, which is rare for us. But as you know, there was major news with

00:00:49.920 Princess Catherine on Friday and Dan has got, as usual, the inside scoop. Keep in mind, he was the

00:00:57.260 only one who said what was real, right? You remember he came on this program and he said,

00:01:03.520 she's very unwell. She's going to be getting better, but she is very unwell. He dismissed a

00:01:09.040 lot of the stuff that was going around about her. And he's back today with some new information on

00:01:14.140 where we are now. But we begin today with some stories that tell us a lot about where we are in

00:01:18.780 2024. And there's major breaking news at this hour about Trump and that $450 million judgment

00:01:23.640 against him and whether he was going to post the bond or see his buildings taken today or at least

00:01:30.280 the process begun. So we're going to kick it off there. And then we've got a bunch of stuff to talk

00:01:35.740 about. Chuck Todd, NBC, Ronna McDaniel, Fannie Willis, absurd new comments from her. And we start

00:01:41.380 with Michael Knowles, host of The Daily Wire's Michael Knowles show. Michael, great to have you. How

00:01:48.100 you doing? Doing very well. Wonderful to be with you, Megan. Wonderful to have you. Okay,

00:01:52.380 so breaking news in the Trump case, which, you know, it's good news for Trump. We have to keep

00:01:58.140 in mind that the whole thing is just ridiculously absurd, this number, that there's so many cases

00:02:04.100 against him. Just a quick refresher for the audience. This is the civil case in New York

00:02:08.240 State brought by the Attorney General Letitia James, claiming he overstated the value of certain

00:02:15.020 properties in getting bank loans years ago and thus got the loans at more favorable rates than he

00:02:21.360 otherwise would have. They were all paid back on time with no complaints from the banks. The banks

00:02:25.760 do not claim to have been victimized. No one does. But there's a law in New York that allows her to

00:02:30.460 sue for this kind of thing, which she did. And she recovered a judgment with interest now over 450

00:02:35.440 million bucks in order for Trump to appeal it, which, of course, he is. And many people believe

00:02:39.840 that he may be successful on this appeal. He has to post the bond of equivalent to the judgment.

00:02:46.820 So he's got to come up with $450 million cash, which is very problematic. Well, he appealed

00:02:53.400 that requirement to a higher court, the New York State Court of Appeals, an appellate court. And it

00:03:00.800 has just ruled that the number should be knocked down from $454 million to a measly $175 million,

00:03:10.880 Michael. That's all. I mean, technically it's a win. So I mean, I'm sure Trump land is happier

00:03:17.280 right now than they were an hour ago, but I guess I'll check. I think if the president needs,

00:03:23.140 I mean, I guess I could cover it for him right now. You know, if we're only talking about 150,

00:03:28.100 then it's a big win. That cigar business must be doing very well for you.

00:03:31.520 And so that's a good thing for him that they're actually going to lower that because I'm sure he

00:03:36.580 didn't want to lose his buildings. It's absurd. Anyway, that's the headline. What do you make of it?

00:03:40.920 I love the whole story. I feel bad for the president. It's obviously deeply unjust,

00:03:47.260 though this is a recurring theme in politics. We like to think that we live in a more civilized

00:03:52.040 age where we have things like law and tolerance of political dissent. But we're returning to a much

00:03:59.600 older form of government where when you lose political power, your opponents who won

00:04:05.060 exile you, imprison you, take all your property and maybe kill you. That's that seems to be

00:04:12.180 reemerging. And that's a longstanding theme in history. So the number was what? $350 million.

00:04:18.720 And then they add all this extra interest. So it's $450 million. Nobody on earth could come up with

00:04:23.600 that kind of cash. Elon Musk could not come up with that kind of cash. It's just not not possible.

00:04:28.220 But it doesn't matter. And he won't be able to pay it anyway, because they'll try to throw him

00:04:31.860 into prison for some 700 years. Maybe when he gets out at the age of 780, he could come up with the

00:04:38.600 cash. But what I love about the story is this guy just cannot be kept down. I don't only say it

00:04:47.720 because I admire him politically or I'm going to vote for him in November. Anybody else would have

00:04:53.280 wilted under the pressure of the four prosecutions and the civil judgment and this. He doesn't. He

00:05:00.120 seems to thrive on it, even down to the backup plan, which is, OK, he's got to come up with $150

00:05:05.200 million now, much better than, you know, that's a third of what what he would otherwise would have

00:05:09.720 had to come up with. But then even truth social going public, the prospect of truth social going

00:05:16.180 public through a SPAC, through this particular mode of of going public that allows you to do it

00:05:23.640 much more quickly. And the fact that the the stock price will be much, much higher than it's probably

00:05:29.600 worth because Trump supporters have memed this thing up to the point that it could increase his net worth

00:05:34.880 by billions of dollars and could theoretically give him most of the cash on hand to pay this bond

00:05:40.920 even before the decision came. It's just so compelling. It's so dramatic. I this is what I

00:05:47.200 want in a political leader. It is amazing what he has withstood. I agree. I, too, would be crumbled

00:05:53.580 in the corner crying and feeling sorry for myself if I had to take all the incoming arrows that Trump

00:05:58.540 has taken, especially the criminal ones that could take away your freedom. But this one's just as bad,

00:06:03.440 arguably, because it could take away his business that he's worked his whole life to build.

00:06:07.140 So here's some of the reaction. OK, first of all, the president, former president reacts.

00:06:12.860 This is it in part from truth social speaking, I think, about the judge, his credibility and that

00:06:19.560 of Letitia James has been shattered. We will abide by the decision of the appellate division and will

00:06:25.660 post either a bond, equivalent securities or cash. So he's going to post it, which is good. That means

00:06:30.400 she cannot begin the process of seizing his assets. This also shows how ridiculous and outrageous

00:06:36.720 anger on. Remember, the judge in this case is the one, the smiling judge who is enamored with

00:06:41.260 himself. It shows how ridiculous and outrageous his original decision was at 450 million. And then

00:06:46.560 we switch to all caps in the Trump post. I did nothing wrong. And New York should never be put

00:06:51.260 in a position like this again. Businesses are fleeing. Violent crime is flourishing. And it is

00:06:55.280 very important that this be resolved in its totality as soon as possible. Thank you. Then we have

00:07:00.200 Lawrence Tribe, Harvard professor, Harvard law professor, the sort of nemesis of Alan Dershowitz

00:07:06.700 in some ways, Michael, and a committed lefty who writes the New York appellate court's unexplained

00:07:12.760 reduction from 454 million to 175 million in the bond Trump must post in 10 days to secure the

00:07:18.740 judgment pending appeal is a travesty of justice. Let's hope public disgust with this preferential

00:07:26.860 treatment. We'll come back to bite Trump politically. He's getting more favorable treatment

00:07:33.520 than the average civilian would. That is the position of Mr. Tribe. What do you make of it,

00:07:38.740 professor? Well, I guess 150 million is preferable to 450 million. So in that limited sense, that's true.

00:07:47.640 But I don't think the most committed anti-Trumper in the world could say that Trump has gotten

00:07:53.840 preferential treatment from our justice system at any point since he descended the golden escalator

00:08:00.940 at Trump Tower. Consistently and from the very beginning, the justice system has been demonstrably

00:08:09.200 corrupted, perverted to destroy him, to destroy his campaign by spying on him and colluding with

00:08:16.960 the Democrats and the Russians to cook up a bunch of nonsense about him, then to undermine his

00:08:22.600 presidency, then to oust him twice, and then to change the election rule so he doesn't get reelected,

00:08:28.440 and now to imprison him like throwing spaghetti at a wall when you look at the prosecutions

00:08:34.960 to seize his properties. The fact that the New York Attorney General, who's been pushing the whole

00:08:39.940 civil fraud case, campaigned on getting this guy and then would just post on social media all the

00:08:48.740 extra interest that she was going to get from him, and then gave comments to the press to say that

00:08:54.000 she was looking forward to seizing his buildings. She wanted the one down on Wall Street. It's just so

00:08:59.260 naked. Let me just play that in case people haven't heard it, because you can hear the glee, like the

00:09:04.760 controlled glee and anticipation in Letitia James's voice when she's talking about waiting to see whether he

00:09:13.140 could post this $454 million bond. Stop three. If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment,

00:09:20.400 then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his

00:09:28.640 assets. We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers. And yes, I look at

00:09:35.160 40 Wall Street each and every day. Wow. Each and every day. Well, she's going to have to look at

00:09:42.020 something else for the time being, because this thing's been reduced, and she's not going to be

00:09:46.160 seizing any buildings. And you know who else is going to be sad, very sad? The ladies over at The

00:09:50.520 You know who says he cannot come up with the cash to cover his $400 million plus bond in his New York

00:10:07.720 fraud case. And I can't wait to see the chains on Trump Tower, actually, on Fifth Avenue. I'm like

00:10:14.700 what kind of excited about it. That was Whoopi Goldberg and Sonny Hauston for the listening

00:10:20.640 audience. They're excited about it. Well, they too are having a disappointing day, Michael.

00:10:25.660 It reminds me of Winston Churchill's line that socialism is the gospel of envy and the creed

00:10:30.600 of ignorance. In this case, Letitia James and the ladies at The View are not even hiding their envy.

00:10:38.060 They're not even hiding their acquisitiveness. They just want to take what Trump has.

00:10:44.260 It can be unprecedented for an American president. It can be obviously unjust. It can be capricious.

00:10:51.040 It doesn't matter. They don't like him, and they want to take everything that he has.

00:10:55.940 The political downside for the liberals going this far when it comes to Trump, though,

00:11:01.180 is they're really good at the stick. They're reasonably good at the stick. I guess they're

00:11:05.220 not going to get his building. They haven't been able to convict him of anything yet. But

00:11:09.080 they're not good at the carrot. So Trump, at this point, he's a man who, though he seems

00:11:15.940 rather youthful and vigorous, is a man of a certain age. He's running for the one additional

00:11:21.260 term that he can serve for as president. He's done everything that he's wanted to do. And they've

00:11:26.180 tried to take everything from him, and they've dragged his name through the dirt for eight years

00:11:29.760 now. He doesn't really have anything to lose. They've given him no reason to go quietly off into the

00:11:35.600 sunset. And so when you've thrown everything that you've got at him by, what is it, March?

00:11:43.440 Then what are they planning for the rest of the election?

00:11:47.160 Oh, my God.

00:11:47.740 If after going after him...

00:11:49.160 Right, right. I mean, who knows? They might try to just throw him off a boat somewhere.

00:11:54.300 But at this point, they've thrown everything that they seem to have,

00:11:58.380 and he's still up on Biden in all the swing states. So if I were the Democrats, I would be panicking.

00:12:03.720 Yeah. Well, I think there is some panic there. And you can see it in the reaction to this

00:12:09.400 reduction of what it's... Yes, it's reduced by 300 million. I mean, what does it say about the

00:12:14.720 initial judgment that it's been reduced by... Is it for 200, 300 million? And it's still pushing

00:12:21.240 200 million. Okay. Meanwhile, in another New York courtroom down the road, there is a criminal trial

00:12:28.180 that was supposed to begin today. This is one of the big four criminal trials against Trump. This

00:12:33.720 is the Stormy Daniels hush money payment trial. He paid her. That's not illegal, but he didn't write

00:12:39.740 it down in his company books as hush payment, which kind of defeats the nature of a hush payment, but

00:12:45.560 okay. And they've turned that into a campaign finance violation, which somehow parlays it into a

00:12:53.140 felony, according to the prosecutor, Alvin Bragg. No one can follow. If you can't follow, you're not

00:12:57.500 alone. No one can follow. Well, that trial is supposed to begin today, but because certain

00:13:03.880 documents that were in the possession of federal prosecutors were not turned over to the parties

00:13:10.120 in the case, despite some demands to do so, the judge has now given a bit of a reprieve on the trial

00:13:17.280 date because they just did turn over those documents. And the Trump team is saying there are 10,000

00:13:22.000 documents here. We can't have a trial starting on Monday. We just got these and these should have

00:13:26.820 been given to us a long time ago. And the DA saying, Hey, this came from the feds, not from us.

00:13:30.420 It's not our bad. And the judge who definitely doesn't like Trump is like, you know what, even,

00:13:34.300 even though I don't like you, I have to recognize I can't start the trial on Monday. And they're in

00:13:40.120 there this morning discussing when to start this trial. And it's not yet settled as of the time we're

00:13:44.860 taping this at 1213. Um, but it sounds like this judge is just as much of a Trump hater as judge

00:13:52.960 anger on. And the other one, Michael, the judge is cross-examining Trump's lawyer. Um, why as a U S

00:13:59.340 attorney, didn't, you know, that you could immediately seek these documents you wanted from

00:14:03.240 the feds? Uh, you waited until two months before the trial. This guy, I think is saying, I asked for

00:14:09.860 the documents from the DA, it was his obligation to get them, you know, if they were relevant to

00:14:14.480 this case, blah, blah, blah. But it's clear to me, this judge already hates team Trump.

00:14:19.680 And I don't think he's going to give them much of a delay on this trial. There's a team. Trump wants,

00:14:26.860 wants a 90 day delay. And the DA's office said, you can have 30 days. I predict it'll be a 30 day

00:14:33.960 delay. This judge can't stand them either. Michael. Sure. Sure. Luckily he, he seems to be getting

00:14:39.480 delays in some, some of the other cases. Uh, but, but here, okay, that, you know, they'll proceed

00:14:44.960 basically a pace. Uh, this to me might be the hardest case for them to, to present against Trump

00:14:51.880 because one, if people are paying attention to it at all, it only comes down to two issues. The two

00:15:00.400 issues, if, if people read about the case are Trump slept with, uh, models and porn stars, which

00:15:07.780 everyone has known for 40 years. And two, Trump made an in-kind donation to his own campaign,

00:15:15.280 which everyone knows is legal and knows intuitively is perfectly fine. If you can't donate to your own

00:15:21.940 campaign, then who can donate to your campaign? Uh, and I understand that the New York prosecutors

00:15:28.900 are going to throw as, as many, uh, little aspects of, of campaign minutia as they possibly can,

00:15:34.880 but that's all it comes down to. I don't know how for any, not just ordinary voter, but even

00:15:40.660 somewhat sophisticated tuned in educated voter. I don't know what else emerges from that trial

00:15:46.860 that would change their opinion of Trump. Okay. So stormy Daniels one way or the other is coming

00:15:53.920 back into the public view, as you know, I mean, this case is kind of about her, but really she's

00:15:59.840 more peripheral because it's really about money and how it was documented and when it was paid,

00:16:05.680 right. It was right before the election, which is why they're saying it was an underlying election

00:16:09.780 interference or, you know, campaign violation, finance violation. So stormy Daniels, I mean,

00:16:15.660 purely coincidentally, Michael, uh, has had a documentary made about her now called stormy.

00:16:22.420 It's by Judd Apatow and it recently premiered and stormy Daniel is featured of course throughout

00:16:30.440 and getting all sorts of lovely, wonderful press coverage. And here is just a bit from that

00:16:36.700 documentary called stormy of her talking about her alleged tryst with the president back in 2006

00:16:44.640 Saudi team. I remember thinking, Oh fuck, how did I get myself into this?

00:16:53.160 I felt that I had been misled and tricked and I can't even find the words, but I thought we had

00:17:01.120 this mutual respect. You know, I've maintained it. It wasn't rape in any fashion, like, you know,

00:17:09.380 but I didn't say no because I just, I was nine years old again. There's that whole dynamic because

00:17:17.440 I was from the South that he was an elder and a man. And I was taught to show respect and be a good

00:17:28.080 girl. Okay. I feel the need to point out stormy Daniels is not some nun they found from the convent

00:17:39.680 and then introduced her to president Trump. Then just Donald Trump back in 2006.

00:17:46.380 She was a porn star. It is not that a porn star can never be raped or sexually assaulted. They can,

00:17:53.120 of course, but even she's not claiming that, but the positioning, I was nine years old again,

00:17:59.240 because she had apparently been sexually assaulted when she was nine. I think it's her allegation in

00:18:03.500 the film. Uh, I was nine years old again because Trump was propositioning her and she admits she

00:18:08.620 went ahead with it. But now in retrospect, the whole thing, like even she wasn't claiming it was

00:18:14.600 non-consensual. The whole thing was, did she get paid off not to tell about it in 2016, right before

00:18:21.780 the election? Now it's turning into a me too allegation. And apparently she goes so far as to

00:18:27.920 compare the whole situation to what is portrayed in a movie. I now have seen and know well bombshell,

00:18:35.080 uh, which is all about actual sexual harassment at Fox news. Um, here is a bit of her doing that

00:18:43.600 in SOT 20. The story hasn't changed. Yeah. Um, I just remember a little boy, but I did remember a few

00:18:50.500 more things that had nothing to do with the sexual encounter. Those details are burned into my soul

00:18:55.740 forever. Um, I did remember a little more of the words that he said to me because originally I didn't

00:19:03.600 know that they were that important because they weren't direct threats. It wasn't like you were going

00:19:06.940 to have sex with me or I'm going to murder you or like, don't scream bad words. It was more like,

00:19:12.040 I thought you wanted to be a, you know, I thought you wanted to be successful. You have to show me what

00:19:17.180 it takes. It was that kind of thing. And I didn't really realize the gravity of that until I watched

00:19:22.640 the movie. Here I'm going to say the word again. Bombshell.

00:19:25.740 Okay. So now it's turning into a me too allegation underlying the campaign finance.

00:19:37.760 What do you make of it? I'm relieved to say that that trailer Megan was the first of Stormy

00:19:44.900 Daniels's film work that I've ever seen. And frankly, I'm just going to guess it's probably

00:19:50.640 more offensive than the rest of her film work because it's, it's so transparent what she's doing

00:19:55.380 here. You say she's coming back into the public eye. Yeah, of course, because she had, well,

00:20:01.180 I guess she had her career on film and then that went away because those careers only lasted two to

00:20:07.180 five years or so. And then, then what did she have? I think she was working as a stripper or something

00:20:12.780 like that. And the best thing that could have possibly happened to her adult film career was that

00:20:18.880 Donald Trump paid her some hush money payments and then she broke her NDA and comes out and gets a

00:20:25.220 lot of publicity for it. So then she did her whole media tour then, but that kind of went away.

00:20:29.160 There's not really much to the story. As I mentioned earlier, it's not exactly breaking news that

00:20:34.920 President Trump, who's been a billionaire playboy since the eighties, you know, has spent some time

00:20:40.360 with women of dubious behavior. So then that went away. And so, of course, this is the next chapter

00:20:47.740 in order to get back in the news. It needs to become a me too allegation. And then if there's

00:20:53.240 some new fad ideologically that crops up in five or 10 years and Trump is still in public life,

00:20:59.380 she'll move toward that as well. But once again, I mean, maybe I'm being a little too rosy for the

00:21:06.320 Trump campaign here, but I just feel if the if this didn't work the first five times they tried

00:21:13.400 it, I don't think they're going to make Stormy Daniels happen now. Mm hmm. You know, I would talk

00:21:19.640 to her. I would definitely interview Stormy Daniels. I think it would be actually actually

00:21:23.620 absolutely must see TV because I, as you know, am open minded to me to allegations. I am not one of

00:21:30.920 those people who just knee jerk dismisses them all like it's not true. I believe she did have an

00:21:35.980 encounter with President Trump than Donald Trump. And he was married. It was an issue,

00:21:40.420 you know, and it wasn't like, you know, he wasn't just free to do what he wanted, technically.

00:21:44.400 And I think the whole thing is very complicated. You know, I actually this isn't like E. Jean Carroll

00:21:50.940 or it's a he said, she said, you know, I I think Trump sort of with a wink and a nod.

00:21:56.700 Has kind of suggested maybe there was something there. Maybe I'm overstating his position on this,

00:22:01.020 but I think most people believe this encounter happened. But that the not the criminal charges

00:22:06.800 around the hush money payment are absurd. And now she seems to be trying to change it into like a

00:22:12.260 victimization situation. Meanwhile, like I just I'm not sure I'd love to probe that allegation more.

00:22:20.300 So maybe I'll have her on. I'll ask her. And I would love to see that interview, Megan. You know,

00:22:26.040 her her story now changing and evolving, frankly, might even be sincere. This is why we have statutes

00:22:34.160 of limitations. This is why it's wrong to prosecute people for crimes they allegedly committed 30 years

00:22:39.740 ago. Our memories are just not all that reliable. And we we tell ourselves stories and our our view of

00:22:47.240 relationships changes and our view of ourselves changes. I'm sure she probably is ashamed of a

00:22:52.000 lot of the things she did 10 or 15 or 20 years ago. That's natural. But but then to go back and

00:22:58.320 rewrite history and and in this case, so conveniently to to try to prosecute Trump again for it or so

00:23:04.120 is crazy. And then to your point, Megan, the Stormy Daniels of it all is a sideshow here.

00:23:10.880 The real question is, did Trump commit a campaign crime and the campaign crime they're alleging is

00:23:17.780 that, you know, he didn't fill out Form 75B when he made an in-kind contribution to his own campaign.

00:23:24.180 If Trump made the hush money payment and if he actually slept with Stormy Daniels and if everything

00:23:30.220 that the liberals allege is true, then the crime they're alleging is that he made what? A hundred

00:23:35.900 thousand dollar in-kind contribution to his own campaign and didn't file the right paperwork.

00:23:40.480 OK, I guess you should file the right paperwork. But are you kidding me? We're talking about a

00:23:44.720 presidential campaign and you're quibbling over a hundred thousand dollar payment, regardless of

00:23:49.260 what the details are surrounding that payment. It's just so preposterous. And if they didn't hate Trump

00:23:54.660 and if they hadn't decided to wield the entire federal government and including certain international

00:23:59.860 operators and agencies to try to get him for the past eight years, it would be a total non story.

00:24:06.720 OK, so since you brought up 30 years later, you make an allegation and then you get paraded,

00:24:12.900 you know, through the media and celebrated. We've got to talk about

00:24:15.640 Christine Blasey Ford, who is who is back in the news. Wait, before I get to her,

00:24:21.920 this just breaking Judge Merchant, who's the one M-E-R-C-H-A-N, by the way, who's overseeing

00:24:28.040 the criminal case involving the Stormy Daniels hush money payment, says April 15th is the day.

00:24:33.380 So the Trump trial begins April 15th, which is not much of a delay. That's obviously much closer

00:24:39.620 to what the prosecution wanted. It might be. Wait, what's today? That's like three weeks,

00:24:43.120 isn't it? Yeah, less than a month. Yeah, that's that's that's that's like less than the than

00:24:48.540 even the D.A. said Trump deserved. So, yeah, it's going forward. And I think we all know how

00:24:53.960 that one's going to end. I don't think there's going to be any legitimate independent person

00:24:58.100 shuttering when Trump is found guilty of this thing. It's not, frankly, the most interesting

00:25:03.640 trial. But OK, moving on. Christine Blasey Ford, coincidentally, is back in the news. That is the

00:25:10.600 accuser of Justice Kavanaugh, who claimed 30 years earlier. This is when he was being confirmed.

00:25:17.560 He had allegedly sexually assaulted her or attempted a sexual assault of her in high school.

00:25:25.440 And the story didn't have any independent witnesses. To the contrary, she had a best

00:25:30.880 friend who said that she didn't believe it. And I think her dad said he didn't believe it. It was

00:25:35.600 like a long list of people around Christine Blasey Ford who had real questions about her story.

00:25:40.280 But it led to a full on media frenzy with women coming out of the woodwork. And I'm just going to

00:25:45.600 say it making shit up. Now, I've I've said before, Christine Blasey Ford of the women who came forward

00:25:52.400 against Kavanaugh, her story. OK, you could believe it or not believe it. You could not believe any one of

00:26:01.340 the other women who came forward. No honest, sane person. It's just like the the number of things that

00:26:08.460 undermine these alleged other accusers, which is just like you'd have to be a complete hack to have

00:26:15.260 given any credence to them. Christine Blasey Ford versus Brett Kavanaugh was a he said, she said.

00:26:20.360 But 30 years later, when the guy, how's he supposed to disprove something 30 years after the fact?

00:26:25.440 Well, she's written a book now and she is also getting the star treatment going on all the shows.

00:26:33.300 And you I mean, you will believe, but you kind of won't believe the way the media is treating

00:26:38.900 her now. I think we've got. Yeah, it's at 16. Look at this media tour and how she's being treated.

00:26:46.420 That is bravery under a whole different kind of fire. Right. Are you speaking out now so that you

00:26:53.400 can take charge of the narrative? I applaud you on your courage and your bravery. Thank you for what

00:27:00.880 you did. I think speaking truth to power has an enormous cost, as we all know. He was so angry

00:27:06.580 with you for calling him out and ruining his pristine reputation. How did you write your book

00:27:12.960 without re-traumatizing yourself? Do you think that the the hearing was even more

00:27:19.940 traumatizing than the assault? How were you brave enough to go on in spite of those threats?

00:27:31.920 I was rather presumptive, wouldn't you say, in the nature of the questions around her,

00:27:37.220 that this, in fact, must have happened as opposed to leaning on the many doubts that have been cast

00:27:43.500 on the story? And of course, Justice Kavanaugh's staunch denials. I'm sure in defense of the last

00:27:49.980 questioner, it probably was very difficult for Christine Blasey Ford to write the book because

00:27:55.320 she kept changing her story so many times during the testimony that it's very difficult. Will we get

00:28:01.440 the first edition of the book? Will there be a second or a third edition? Now, just as I say with

00:28:08.460 other accusers 30, 40 years later, I don't know if the woman was lying. I'm not particularly inclined

00:28:16.000 to believe her story, but she might have been sincere. She might have believed one version of

00:28:21.560 the stories that she was telling because your memory changes decades after the fact, which is why I know

00:28:29.340 it's a contrary and unpopular opinion right now in our age of mob justice and throwing caution to

00:28:39.520 the wind, but statutes of limitations are a good thing. They exist for a reason. And we decided during

00:28:46.180 the Me Too movement, because mostly a bunch of liberals in Hollywood decided to behave like boars,

00:28:52.020 we decided that we were going to totally upend the American system of justice and get rid of statutes

00:28:56.540 of limitations. But actually, I think that's a bad idea. And furthermore, when accusations come out

00:29:04.340 at precisely the moment that a very politically significant event is about to occur that could

00:29:11.100 derail that political event, I just have a really hard time believing it. It's not as though Brett

00:29:17.880 Kavanaugh just totally disappeared from public view. And he went off and lived a private life.

00:29:23.320 Brett Kavanaugh had been a very public lawyer and judge for his entire career. Christine Blasey Ford

00:29:30.780 never came out when he was first appointed to a federal court. Christine Blasey Ford never came

00:29:35.820 out when he was working for Ken Starr on the Bill Clinton special counsel investigation,

00:29:39.780 because those were feisty, controversial, they were political. But what they were really concerned

00:29:45.820 about was the swing of the court and what could upend all sorts of liberal jurisprudence that they

00:29:52.580 loved up to and including Roe v. Wade. That's why that court seat became so important. And so when

00:29:57.800 all of that happens at these perfectly convenient times, when Christine Blasey Ford reemerges years

00:30:02.620 later, just during an election year to tell her story, now probably the 12th version of it,

00:30:08.480 I don't see how anyone could really honestly believe that. And so what does it become? Regardless

00:30:14.880 of whatever happened to Christine Blasey Ford, what it becomes is a kind of political fan fiction.

00:30:19.960 Uh, people are buying this book to just vent and feel a catharsis of, of political, uh, hate toward

00:30:30.620 their opponents. That's why it's coming out in 2024. That's the only reason anybody's going to buy it.

00:30:34.920 And it's why ultimately these sorts of accounts are worthless. Hmm. Well, uh, I wonder whether if Tara

00:30:42.120 Reed, Joe Biden accuser writes a book, if she'd be getting similar treatment, think they think she'd get

00:30:48.020 booked by Terry gross over an NPR or by the ladies of the view. I think she'd be getting questions

00:30:53.980 like, Oh my God, how courageous are you? And what was it like to be re victimized again when you came

00:31:00.000 forward? Right. The presumptions in there, it's just such an obvious double standard. Um, Christine

00:31:06.840 Blasey Ford, she'll continue to get this kind of treatment. I'm sure we're going to be watching it for

00:31:11.280 some time, but it reminded me, Michael, of one of the most dishonest things. So just by way of

00:31:17.600 background, when I was at NBC and I had that morning show, we would do a round table of discussions

00:31:23.280 about the news. And I was the same me in those discussions as I've always been go back and look

00:31:28.260 at them. I mean, it's sort of, it was kind of interesting to see that the veil come down for

00:31:31.780 NBC to realize just because Trump didn't like me, didn't mean I was a liberal. You know what I mean?

00:31:36.760 Like I actually was same person I am today in most ways. Um, and the pylon on justice Kavanaugh

00:31:43.920 was absolutely disgusting to me. And I was out there every morning trying to set the record

00:31:48.080 straight about him and what actually had been alleged and hadn't been alleged. And there was

00:31:53.220 a young guy over there named Jacob sober off who came on the set and tried to spew a bunch of nonsense

00:31:58.620 about Kavanaugh. And I let him have it. Now I will tell you in advance that I do believe the segment

00:32:05.760 I'm about to show you is the reason after my discussion about blackface on NBC that led to

00:32:12.220 the end of my show, he was one of the most vicious to attack me. And I would suggest to you, it had

00:32:19.140 absolutely nothing to do with his feelings on Halloween costumes and everything to do with the

00:32:24.060 following exchange. This is the reason that people don't trust Washington. This is the P the reason

00:32:29.340 people don't go out to vote. We're talking Republicans and Democrats cannot even agree on how to handle

00:32:34.760 not one, not two, not three, but four alleged assaults, sexual assaults at this point.

00:32:39.720 And how to investigate those two, let's say it's no, there are, let's walk through it. No,

00:32:44.120 because this is what happens when, when you're, you're in this position for judge Kavanaugh,

00:32:48.500 everybody just tries to lump them together and say four or five accusers accusing of sexual assault.

00:32:53.220 Not true irrespective of the number. No, it matters. The facts matter. No, no, let me say Dr.

00:32:59.920 Christine Blasey Ford accuses him of an attempted sexual assault on her, a sexual assault, attempted

00:33:05.660 rape. Uh, there are no corroborating witnesses to that event. Number two is a woman who says

00:33:10.400 while at Yale with Brett Kavanaugh in a circle, he may have exposed himself in a drunken stupor in a

00:33:16.020 drinking game. Nobody else at the party confirms that account. Not one person. Number three is the

00:33:22.100 witness. And that woman is talking about a gang rape. And she doesn't accuse Brett Kavanaugh of ever

00:33:29.640 having laid a finger on her. Number four is an anonymous person whose account comes from the mother

00:33:37.220 of another person, all of whom are anonymous. Her daughter's friend was allegedly pushed against a wall

00:33:44.080 by a young Brett Kavanaugh. None of the actual participants of that event have come forward to

00:33:48.300 actually say it happened. There was a fifth woman who came forward who has already now recanted saying

00:33:53.340 I made it up. So let's be clear on what the facts are.

00:33:59.380 We'll walk down memory lane for you there, Michael. And this is why aren't you at NBC anymore,

00:34:04.440 Megan? I don't, I'm just so shocked.

00:34:09.860 You know, it doesn't take much, right? It's like a little fact checking here or there by a person in

00:34:14.640 the media can actually make a difference, but there are a few and far between out there who

00:34:18.560 will actually do it irrespective of party. Um, and Christine Blasey Ford deserves the same kind

00:34:23.980 of fact checking now that she's on her, her book tour. You know what I mean? Like she doesn't get

00:34:28.220 a pass just because she raised the allegations a few years ago and he got confirmed. No, she should

00:34:33.200 be put through the same types of questions. If she wants to put the story out there as she was

00:34:38.460 when she first raised them. But no one cares is the problem. No one buying her book cares whether

00:34:44.480 or not Kavanaugh did it. No, no one, as you made, I think beautifully clear on that panel on NBC all

00:34:50.100 those years ago. Uh, no one really cares about the difference between the Kavanaugh accusers.

00:34:55.160 All they care about is the headline Kavanaugh, credibly accused of rape. I mean, the, the account of

00:35:01.480 the criminal Avenatti's client was that there was a gang rape and she's confident Brett Kavanaugh was there.

00:35:07.660 And how did she know? Cause he was wearing a Georgetown prep sweatshirt. He might as well

00:35:11.600 have been wearing a, my name is Brett Kavanaugh, future judge button on his lapel. I mean, it was

00:35:16.840 just so. Wait, let's not forget Avenatti also represented Stormy Daniels. And Stormy Daniels.

00:35:22.720 Wow. Talk about full circle. I, right. Uh, so, so, uh, you know, of course no, no one's going to be

00:35:29.320 buying this cause they, they care about the truth. This is why, as you say, Tara Reed, who,

00:35:33.740 whether she's telling the truth or not, her, her allegation against Joe Biden is certainly more

00:35:40.120 plausible than the, the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh. I mean, she, she had contemporaneous

00:35:45.820 witnesses to whom she complained at the time I spoke with them personally. These are like well-heeled

00:35:53.240 professional smart women who I spoke to who said, yes, she told me this at the time in detail,

00:35:59.360 the same story. It's never changed. Her mother went on Larry King and mentioned that her daughter

00:36:04.760 had been the victim of a sexual assault of a well-known U S Senator. Tara Reed had all that.

00:36:09.380 Christine Blasey Ford didn't have any of that, but they destroyed Tara Reed because she had the nerve

00:36:14.020 to accuse a Democrat. Yes. Yes. And that's, that's what it all comes down to. And so there's nothing

00:36:20.260 changing anyone's mind because for Donald Trump, the crime that he committed is not donating to his

00:36:27.080 own campaign. It's not holding some documents at his home. It's not doing the thing that Joe Biden

00:36:32.480 did in a much less egregious way when it comes to Trump. It's not, it's not any of those things.

00:36:37.940 It's that Trump is super duper mega Hitler and, and he's going to be Hitler 2.0. You know,

00:36:43.980 if he gets elected again and he'll never leave office and all the rest of it. And Kavanaugh is just

00:36:48.760 a, an expression of Donald Trump. And, uh, that's right.

00:36:53.300 All of these related figures, they're just emanations out from the, the very embodiment

00:36:58.160 of evil. So the book might sell well enough. I mean, and, uh, people will read it at the beach

00:37:03.100 and they'll fuel their hatred of Trump and all the associated characters. And then we'll move on

00:37:09.440 to the next one. It won't change the polls at all. Super duper mega Hitler. That's, I mean,

00:37:14.540 there should be like teacher t-shirts with that. I'm going to squeeze in a quick break and then we're

00:37:18.560 going to come back and we're going to stay on the topic of NBC because what happened over there over the

00:37:22.200 weekend with Ronna McDaniel was outrageous. And I'm not talking about Ronna McDaniel. Stand by.

00:37:32.180 All right, Michael. So Ronna McDaniel, who was up until recently chairing the RNC,

00:37:38.900 took a job as a contributor with NBC news, NBC news, the vaunted. Okay. And I have to tell you,

00:37:50.300 I considered sending her a text like good luck. No, really, truly like as, as somebody who is

00:37:58.480 on the right side, walking into that building. I mean, talk about going in the lion's den,

00:38:04.920 but she's a big girl and she can handle herself. So I thought it might be, I don't know, somehow

00:38:11.300 dismissive or condescending. So I didn't do that. Well, I should have done it because she needed the

00:38:17.100 good luck during her debut weekend, which didn't go so well. She appeared with Kristen Welker,

00:38:24.140 who is now the host of meet the press. She took over from Chuck Todd. He lost the show to Kristen.

00:38:29.720 We're going to get to him in a second, but here is a bit of how that went in Sop five.

00:38:36.840 You owe this country an apology. We're allowed to look after elections and say,

00:38:41.100 I want to make sure this was done in a transparent and fair way. Why should people trust what you're

00:38:45.880 saying right now? One, I will say this, Kristen voters right now in this country are going to be

00:38:52.720 making a choice in November and they don't care about 2020. Republicans and Democrats do a lot of

00:38:59.440 people say it is fundamental to the country's democracy. I represent 50% of this country, whether

00:39:04.360 you like it or not to be able to have different viewpoints and say, I disagree with that viewpoint,

00:39:09.660 but it's important to hear it is important to our country. Okay. Then comes Chuck Todd now as

00:39:19.200 chief political analyst and a guest on Kristen Welker, same show with his thoughts on that

00:39:25.760 exchange. Watch. I think our bosses owe you an apology for putting you in this situation.

00:39:31.440 I have no idea whether any answer she gave to you was because she didn't want to mess up her

00:39:36.360 contract. She has credibility issues that she still has to deal with. Is she speaking for herself or

00:39:42.180 is she speaking on behalf of who's paying her? And look, there's a reason why there's a lot of

00:39:45.940 journalists at NBC News uncomfortable with this because many of our professional dealings with

00:39:50.520 the RNC over the last six years have been met with gaslighting, have been met with character

00:39:54.900 assassination. When NBC made the decision to give her NBC News' credibility, you got to ask yourself,

00:40:00.940 what does she bring NBC News? Okay. He's very confused about the fact that when she was the RNC

00:40:10.380 spokesperson, she wasn't just out there spewing the opinions of Ronna McDaniel. She was actually

00:40:15.260 being paid to be a spokesperson for the Republican National Committee, which is a group of people who

00:40:22.420 drive policy within the Republican Party and try to get the results that they want. It's not the Ronna

00:40:26.760 McDaniel Committee. And that now that she's with NBC News, she is free to provide her own independent

00:40:33.080 political analysis. What has made him confused about that? The fact that she's accepting an NBC

00:40:38.320 paycheck? I don't get it because he seemed very capable to make the proper distinctions when NBC

00:40:45.720 hired Jen Psaki. Remember Jen Psaki? You seem to understand it perfectly. In fact, Chuck Todd,

00:40:53.640 you promoted her show, which was being launched on MSNBC, which is even more partisan than NBC,

00:41:02.240 just as she launched it. Here, look at this, Sot7.

00:41:05.680 Jen Psaki, who is here on the debut of the host of her show, Inside with Jen Psaki,

00:41:11.420 it launches today at noon, after you watch this show, of course, on MSNBC and streaming on PTOC.

00:41:17.300 Welcome and congrats.

00:41:18.340 Thank you so much.

00:41:19.160 Definitely very exciting. I hope the money is good, Ronna.

00:41:25.960 You only have to apologize when you hire the conservatives, you see, when you hire the

00:41:30.000 liberal mouthpieces from, you know, the White House or the RNC or the DNC. It's a different story.

00:41:38.000 The greatest irony about Chuck Todd's soliloquy there is that he doesn't seem to know who currently

00:41:46.380 pays Ronna McDaniel. He says, is she expressing her own views or the views of the people who pay her?

00:41:51.960 The problem with Ronna McDaniel's hiring at NBC is that she is not expressing the views of the people

00:41:57.120 who pay her. NBC News is a liberal media outlet. It exists to promote a liberal view, a liberal ideology,

00:42:05.900 liberal policy prescriptions. They occasionally make a big show of hiring a Republican, and usually

00:42:12.240 they hire a liberal Republican. So they hire someone like Michael Steele to come give commentary.

00:42:17.460 Michael Steele is pretty liberal, so it usually works out just fine. Or they hire Joe Scarborough.

00:42:21.320 Look at Nicole Wallace.

00:42:22.580 Nicole Wallace, right. They'll hire some...

00:42:25.900 Steve Schmidt.

00:42:27.000 Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's always just that kind of Republican. You know, the person who goes on air and

00:42:32.820 says...

00:42:33.080 Lincoln Project types.

00:42:33.100 Yes, yes. Also known as Democrats. Yeah. But they'll say, listen, I'm a conservative,

00:42:38.460 conservative. But I'm not that kind of conservative. I'm not the kind of conservative

00:42:41.740 that, you know, would be supported by conservatives. I'm not the kind of Republican who would ever get

00:42:46.660 elected as a Republican. But I'm here to show you how fair and balanced NBC News is. And I think what

00:42:52.060 they assumed was that Ronna McDaniel, as the head of the RNC, a beltway figure, someone with the last

00:43:00.060 name Romney, might be able to fit into that kind of a box. And it's an impressive thing to have the

00:43:05.180 former head of the RNC as your lower third. But the problem is, I think what the execs didn't

00:43:10.120 understand is that Ronna worked for super duper mega Hitler, Donald Trump. And so it doesn't matter

00:43:16.140 if your last name is Romney. It doesn't matter if you're a beltway fixture. That's just going to be

00:43:20.140 stuck to you. And the audience probably won't accept you. Your hosts won't accept you. It just

00:43:26.440 won't happen. And so probably what's going to happen, I hope they paid her a nice big signing bonus.

00:43:31.980 Uh, probably she's going to get shuffled out at some point and it has to happen. Right. And so

00:43:38.760 the replacement will just be a Joe Scarborough jr. You know, that the replacement will just be

00:43:43.880 another fake Republican. Speaking of Joe Scarborough, he also has strong feelings about the hire

00:43:52.300 a Ronna Romney McDonald, uh, McDaniel watches. Uh, we weren't asked our opinion of the hiring,

00:43:59.340 but if we were, we would have strongly objected to it for several reasons, uh, including, but not

00:44:06.060 limited to, as lawyers might say, Ms. McDaniel's role in Donald Trump's fake elector scheme and her

00:44:12.860 pressuring election officials to not certify election results while Donald Trump was on the phone.

00:44:20.240 To be clear. Oh, we believe NBC news should seek out conservative Republican voices to provide

00:44:27.760 balance in their election coverage, but it should be conservative Republicans, not a person who used

00:44:34.640 her position of power to be an anti-democracy election denier. And we hope NBC will reconsider

00:44:42.880 its decision. It goes without saying that she will not be a guest on morning Joe.

00:44:49.600 Oh, well, so they clearly wrote that and put it into prompter. Um, that was their official position

00:44:56.380 statement. She can't come on MSNBC and she certainly can't come on morning Joe, by the way, you shouldn't

00:45:03.680 say it goes without saying, and then say the thing that's, that's a, that's, it goes without saying,

00:45:09.380 but I'm frivolous and repetitive. So here we are. Um, this is amazing. Like hearing them,

00:45:17.700 no one asked us for our opinion because they don't give a shit what we say, but we would have

00:45:22.700 not just objected, but strongly objective strong. It would have been a strong objection

00:45:27.260 to the hiring of that election denier because you're only allowed to question the results of elections.

00:45:32.860 If you are a Democrat, you have to be named Hillary Clinton or Stacey Abrams. And by the way,

00:45:41.060 they only hire the most pristine, upstanding ethical people over at MSNBC and NBC like every other day,

00:45:52.040 MSNBC morning, Joe guest, Al Sharpton, Michael, it's fine to incite race riots to make up a race,

00:46:02.580 hoax about an alleged rape by white cops, which was a total lie. As John Podort's pointed out,

00:46:08.880 completely forgot about this one on Twitter, 1995 sharp, Sharpton sparked rage in Harlem against a

00:46:15.540 Jewish store owner who wanted to expand Sharpton called him a white interloper at a rally. Eight

00:46:21.600 people were later killed in a fire set by one of the protesters. I could keep going. That's okay.

00:46:27.400 But if you question an election, F off, you will not be asked on Morning Joe.

00:46:35.300 Of course, my favorite part of her diatribe, well, it was similar to Chuck Todd's, but she was more

00:46:40.860 explicit. She said, look, we need to hire conservative Republicans, of course, but they

00:46:45.440 need to be conservative Republicans. I can't tell you, Megan, how many times I have been lectured by

00:46:51.140 liberal Democrats who not only disagree with what I think, but have no idea what I think really about

00:46:56.040 anything on what a true conservative Republican is. The Democrats have been pulling this since at

00:47:01.100 least the Goldwater election. Since the 1960s, they ran an ad and it was some dorky looking guy,

00:47:07.560 you know, with his horn-rimmed glasses. And he says, I've been a conservative Republican all my life.

00:47:12.040 My father was a conservative, but this man, Mr. Goldwater, he is just a bridge too far. He's not

00:47:18.760 a real, and you hear this all the time. You never hear it from any of the conservatives because

00:47:23.620 anyone who is a conservative Republican who speaks honestly would not be acceptable to the audience

00:47:31.320 of a far left network. And so they need to maintain the patina of credibility and balance. And so it's

00:47:38.380 all just kabuki theater. It's all just a fake show. And it seems kind of like disreputable work for me.

00:47:43.720 I probably wouldn't take the job. But, you know, if the paycheck is big enough, I hope at least

00:47:48.400 Rana can, you know, get a few weeks' salary before the hammer comes down.

00:47:53.340 You know what's amazing is I realize Rana is a controversial figure, but she's just such a nice

00:47:59.000 person. She's like kind of sweet. You know, she's not a pit bull. She's not an asshole, right? So it's

00:48:05.000 like you would think that they could find a way to say, all right, you know, and by the way,

00:48:09.800 she wasn't like election denier in chief. It's not like hiring Trump. There was some,

00:48:14.920 you know, questions in Michigan. But the point is, you're not going to find somebody in Trump's

00:48:21.360 Republican Party who is going to tell you they think the election was perfectly fair and had

00:48:27.200 no problems. That's about as controversial as she got. In any event, it's going to end in more

00:48:32.740 ruination and despair like most Republican careers over there do. Michael Knowles, always a pleasure,

00:48:38.200 my friend. Wonderful to be with you. Thank you, Megan. All right. When we come back,

00:48:43.000 Dan Wooten and the latest from Kate. After months of speculation, Kate Middleton,

00:48:51.280 Princess Catherine, Princess of Wales, announced the shocking news that she is undergoing treatment

00:48:57.500 for cancer. She did not specify what kind of cancer. This came after she was spotted for the

00:49:03.260 first time last week at a local shop, a local farm, they said, with her husband, the Prince of

00:49:08.080 Wales. But that did not stop the online frenzy and claims that that was not really her, either at the

00:49:14.960 farm or even in the video. As now two members of the royal family have been diagnosed with cancer,

00:49:21.600 big questions remain about the future. Here to discuss it all and more, one of our favorites on all

00:49:27.000 things royal, Dan Wooten. He's host of the newly launched show and substack, Dan Wooten Outspoken.

00:49:34.200 That's W-O-O-T-T-O-N. Three O's, two T's. A lot of work in that last name, but he's worth it.

00:49:43.180 Dan, welcome back to the show. So here you are again. Last we spoke, you said she's very unwell.

00:49:51.680 Like it's not true. All the other stuff is not true. She's very unwell. She's dealing with something.

00:49:55.680 We think she's going to be okay, but she's genuinely having a health issue. And then we

00:50:00.680 get this news, just for those who didn't see it, but I'm sure everybody's seen the video by now.

00:50:04.960 Let me play an excerpt of Kate Middleton on Friday announcing her cancer diagnosis.

00:50:10.560 In January, I underwent major abdominal surgery in London. And at the time, it was thought that

00:50:16.560 my condition was non-cancerous. The surgery was successful. However, tests after the operation

00:50:23.140 found cancer had been present. My medical team therefore advised that I should undergo a course

00:50:29.580 of preventative chemotherapy. And I'm now in the early stages of that treatment.

00:50:33.680 This, of course, came as a huge shock. And William and I have been doing everything we can to process

00:50:41.860 and manage this privately for the sake of our young family. But most importantly, it has taken us time

00:50:47.820 to explain everything to George, Charlotte and Louis in a way that's appropriate for them and to reassure

00:50:53.740 them that I'm going to be okay. As I've said to them, I am well. And getting stronger every day by

00:51:00.980 focusing on the things that will help me heal in my mind, body and spirits. Having William by my side

00:51:07.400 is a great source of comfort and reassurance too. As is the love, support and kindness that has been

00:51:13.340 shown by so many of you. It means so much to us both.

00:51:20.100 England's lucky to have her. Dan, what do you make of the announcement?

00:51:22.620 Well, I think it's quite an extraordinary statement. Very unusual for a member of the royal family to give

00:51:31.760 an address like that on video. Usually such an announcement would be made on paper. But after the sort of

00:51:41.620 frenzied speculation, which had gone all around the world, I mean, Fox in the US just the night before

00:51:48.600 had run a primetime documentary authored by TMZ. Where's Kate? She knew she had to step up.

00:51:57.780 It had to be a video. But as you say, hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists. I feel, Megan,

00:52:04.440 this is almost like Paul McCartney. You know, some people think Paul McCartney died in a car crash

00:52:11.180 in the 1960s. And we don't have the real Paul McCartney today. I promise you, Google this.

00:52:16.840 It's a major conspiracy theory. I promise you, in about 50 years' time, there'll be people who

00:52:23.260 still don't believe that that's the real Kate. Look, that was her. It was a genuine video. I promise

00:52:32.460 you, there's no one at Kensington Palace with the technical know-how to do some sort of deep fake

00:52:40.180 photoshopper picture. Right. Okay. So it's her. And they didn't really, there's so much to go over,

00:52:48.760 but they didn't say what kind of a cancer it was. So she said that she had major abdominal surgery

00:52:54.680 and that after, you know, whatever had been removed, it sounds like something was removed

00:53:01.020 because she said, however, the surgery was successful. However, tests after the operation

00:53:07.080 found cancer had been present, had been. So to me, that suggests she had something removed and then

00:53:12.940 they always check the removed organs and so on to make sure nothing remains. And something appears to

00:53:20.620 have been cancerous that was taken out. And now she's in the early stages of preventative chemotherapy.

00:53:28.380 Okay. Here is some of the reaction to that, Dan. You and I are not doctors, but I just want to get

00:53:35.200 you to weigh in because this is CNN, Anderson Cooper, who hosted Dr. Jonathan Reiner. I will say,

00:53:43.180 we looked up his background. It appears he's, his expertise is in, let's see, certified in internal

00:53:49.280 medicine, cardiovascular disease, and interventional cardiology. Okay. Watch.

00:53:53.760 Well, with all respect to the, you know, to the royal family, that kind of, you know, press release

00:54:01.220 doesn't make a lot of medical sense. When people undergo extensive surgery, they just don't go in for

00:54:07.440 typically anymore for, quote, exploratory surgery. All of these operations are preceded by extensive

00:54:15.700 imaging like CAT scans and MRIs. A piece of the tissue removed, whatever the organ is, or the organ

00:54:22.260 removed, or intestine, for instance, that goes directly to the pathology lab, often during the

00:54:29.280 surgery. And sometimes whether something is cancer or not will dictate the extent of the actual

00:54:34.900 operation. So it's very likely that the surgical team knew or had a good sense of what this was going

00:54:42.460 to be prior to surgery. And that was confirmed at the time of pathologic testing during the operation.

00:54:50.200 So this is something that would have at least been suspected before and confirmed during the

00:54:55.160 operation. What do you make of that, Dan? Well, of course, if that is true, it means that Kensington

00:55:03.240 Palace directly lied because they were very clear in their public announcements about Catherine's surgery,

00:55:12.860 which remember, was just around the time that King Charles's cancer diagnosis was announced,

00:55:18.020 that she was not suffering from cancer. I'd say two things. Firstly, the royal family have a long history

00:55:26.880 of laying down medical issues. So Prince Philip had loads of serious cancers in about the 15 years

00:55:36.260 before his death. Not once did he make a public announcement. Likewise, the late queen who died of

00:55:43.860 blood cancer, but on her death certificate, it simply said she passed away from old age. So this is

00:55:50.240 something that the royal family do. They don't like to raise lots of issues about their health. But when

00:55:56.260 it came to Kate, clearly this was particularly sensitive given the timing. The royal family is always

00:56:03.100 very conscious of how announcements, major announcements from them affect the public confidence in the

00:56:10.120 monarchy. Just imagine, Megan, if in the course of two hours, it had been announced that both the king and the

00:56:18.260 future queen were suffering from cancer. So I think it is quite possible that there was at least some sort of

00:56:25.600 expectation that cancer would be found. But the decision was made not to announce it publicly. Perhaps they hoped

00:56:32.740 never to have announced it publicly. However, when it became clear just how serious this was, but also

00:56:38.600 just how much the world was not going to accept a lengthy absence from Catherine, the PR strategy

00:56:46.620 changed. What I still think, though, and remember, I have been very, very strong. I've never joined the

00:56:53.780 carnival of criticism of Catherine herself. But what I would say is that Kensington Palace managed this

00:57:01.400 in a very amateur hour way. Why on earth did they want to release a photograph of Catherine looking

00:57:09.400 healthy and happy, knowing full well that at some point they were going to have to reveal that she's

00:57:14.500 suffering from cancer and about to have chemotherapy? That was an odd decision and it exacerbated the

00:57:20.360 situation. But I think for those blaming the princess herself, that's really unfair. Her priority,

00:57:26.280 rightly or wrongly, personally, I say this is rightly, was her children. So the kids are now

00:57:32.360 on holiday, Megan, until April the 17th. So William and Catherine have this idea that in the next three

00:57:38.940 weeks, they'll be able to get them, especially Prince George, who's a sensitive little soul,

00:57:43.100 the future king, get them to a place psychologically where they've accepted that mummy has cancer. We think

00:57:49.340 she's going to be okay so that when he's amongst his peers, he's 10 years old now, he's sort of strong

00:57:55.760 enough to deal with that. You've got to think as well, that's something William is so strong on because

00:58:00.720 of his childhood. When he was at school, having to deal with loads of major stories about his parents,

00:58:07.600 not only his mother's death, but the divorce as well. And he struggled with that. So as I say,

00:58:13.580 he's always been clear, William in particular, they will put the children first. In this case,

00:58:19.960 they did that. Personally, I think there's lots of people who should feel quite ashamed with the

00:58:27.120 pressure that they put on Catherine over that period.

00:58:32.380 Okay, this is so interesting to me. You're right. So the royal family doesn't normally come out with

00:58:37.820 the cancer diagnoses, Prince Philip, the Queen, and so on. And I think you make a good point because

00:58:43.520 in Catherine's case, it would have been extra shocking, yes, because we also had the King's

00:58:50.520 diagnosis, but also she's only 42 years old. And they needed to be extra careful around this

00:58:56.620 announcement, even more so than the Queen and Prince Philip and now the King Charles,

00:59:01.640 because she's got three little ones. I mean, any mother could understand letting your young children

00:59:08.620 know that you've got a potentially fatal disease. I mean, I'm not saying in her case, but you know,

00:59:14.480 cancer obviously kills millions of people is a very sensitive discussion. And you'd want to handle

00:59:20.380 that in exactly the right way. Maybe they did delay telling the children as they're claiming

00:59:25.760 until they could spend three weeks straight with them. And the kids could see mom all day,

00:59:31.440 seeming fine, seeming fine, acting normal. I could absolutely understand that. So to me,

00:59:37.760 that does make sense. I will say, you know, if they're still misleading in the description of how

00:59:45.660 it all went down, it just undermines the whole thing even more because people, when they sense they're

00:59:53.280 being misled, we'll hold on like a dog with a bone. And in this case, prior to Kate's announcement,

01:00:01.280 we were being misled. You know, the people were right that they were not being given the full straight

01:00:07.960 story. So now more than ever, they need to be extremely explicit and honest. They can say this is where

01:00:14.460 we're drawing the lines, but there can be absolutely no missteps like the ones that we've seen.

01:00:19.600 And I think that's what Kate tried to do in the video. But I would point out, Megan,

01:00:26.260 there are lots of bad actors involved who were trying to exacerbate the situation. So

01:00:31.100 I've never said that Kensington Palace dealt with this perfectly. Clearly, they didn't. It became an

01:00:38.240 international PR disaster. But let me just balance it up a little bit. We now know for a fact that there

01:00:46.600 are bots and troll farms working on behalf of the Russians and the Chinese and potentially the

01:00:53.120 Sussex squad as well, who were purposefully spreading lots of false narratives to try and

01:00:59.460 make the Catherine story bigger than it actually was. Now that succeeded. We also know that there

01:01:05.600 were lots of folk on the hard left who were deliberately trying to damage the monarchy. The

01:01:11.160 most significant of them, Owen Jones, who is a radical left columnist here for the Guardian

01:01:16.700 newspaper, has actually had to issue a grovelling apology because he knows what he was doing was

01:01:23.200 completely wrong. So, yes, I agree. There were mistakes made. Some people felt they were badly

01:01:29.360 misled. But don't underestimate how much the enemies of the royal family have been using this to

01:01:36.780 specifically damage Catherine and William, especially when it comes to their relationship,

01:01:40.940 their marriage. We had jokes from Stephen Colbert on American primetime television as a result.

01:01:47.780 And never forget the hatred and the bitterness that Harry and Meghan still have towards the royal

01:01:54.240 family because they had their friends out briefing that this was a mistake that Meghan would never have

01:02:00.680 made with the Photoshop. So all I'm saying is that mistakes were made. But I do think there has

01:02:06.600 also been a really deliberate ploy to make this even worse for the royal family than it had to be.

01:02:13.460 That's very interesting. Yeah, I believe every word of what you just said.

01:02:16.980 Just one other point before we get to some of that, because we've got some examples of

01:02:21.300 what appear to be Meghan and Harry surrogates or at least close confidants out there fanning these flames.

01:02:28.660 But before we get to that, I just want to follow up on that guy, Dr. Jonathan Reiner,

01:02:32.480 who we played from Anderson Cooper, he went on and said these operations like the one she had are

01:02:39.800 typically preceded by extensive CAT scans and MRIs. Adding it's very unlikely, very unlikely that the

01:02:47.640 surgical team knew of the, did not know of the cancer prior to operating. Trying to read my notes

01:02:54.760 here. But in any event, he's saying that they would have had extensive CAT scans and MRIs and probably

01:02:59.320 knew what they were dealing with. Oh, very likely, very likely that the surgical team knew of the

01:03:06.000 cancer prior to operating. So look, my, my instincts tell me they're probably still downplaying exactly

01:03:14.200 what they knew and when they knew it for reasons of their own. But the bottom line remains the bottom

01:03:20.420 line. She has cancer. We don't know what kind of cancer the, the medical professionals were out

01:03:26.520 there speculating. Dr. Mark Siegel, for example, was on Fox news. He's a, I know him well, NYU Langone

01:03:32.400 medical center, very respected facility. He, his suggestion was, it was likely either, it is likely

01:03:38.280 either early colon cancer that was removed and cured surgically, but then, you know, cells were found

01:03:44.360 or potentially early ovarian uterine or cervical cancer that was found incidentally. Um, it has

01:03:50.520 been reported in previous years that she has Crohn's disease. We've discussed that with our

01:03:53.880 audience. Chronic inflammatory bowel disease affects, that's what that is. It affects the

01:03:58.940 lining of the digestive tract. And in at least 50% of the cases, one does need surgery and colon cancer

01:04:04.380 is becoming more and more common among young people. Used to be like a, you start to get, I think when

01:04:09.900 you're 50 or 45, and now it's defining it more and more in young people. We don't know

01:04:14.220 whether that's what it is, but people are left to worry because, you know, you don't like to see a

01:04:18.540 42 year old mother come up, come down with cancer of any kind. No. And I think that is all fair

01:04:23.520 analysis. The one thing that I would pick up on though, is this idea that William and Catherine

01:04:28.860 knew how bad this was before her surgery. Now, the reason I say that is, you know, that William pulled

01:04:36.300 out of this memorial service where he was due to speak for the King of Greece. It was a really big

01:04:42.200 deal. He pulled out on the morning of the service. That just does not happen, especially seeing the King

01:04:48.280 wasn't in attendance. It meant that Queen Camilla had to lead the family at that event. And it was all

01:04:52.760 considered quite embarrassing because you had Prince Andrew there and no William and no Charles. Now,

01:04:58.360 the reason he pulled out, Megan, is because it was around that day that Catherine got the bad news.

01:05:06.580 So whether they had some sort of understanding before the operation that perhaps there was a

01:05:12.240 suspicion that cancer was going to be found, possibly, but certainly the news got progressively

01:05:18.300 bad leading to that very dramatic moment when William decided to pull out on the day, because

01:05:23.740 that just doesn't. I would just say one other thing. One other thing. I understand she wants her

01:05:28.700 privacy and she should have it the way she wants it, but she has a real opportunity here because

01:05:34.480 there are millions of people who have colon cancer, young people to other moms like Kate, colon cancer

01:05:41.420 or ovarian cancer or uterine cancer or endometrial. It's like one of any of these things. And if she were

01:05:48.320 to share anything about what she's going through and her, how scary it was for her, she doesn't have to

01:05:53.060 be an open book. I understand, you know, we don't want that from our royals. Exactly. I really think she

01:05:57.840 could help people. She could call attention to it. She could encourage people to do screening for it.

01:06:03.180 Maybe she'll get there. This is all still new, I think, but like there really is an opportunity

01:06:08.780 for her to be the people's princess, right? Even more so than Diana, if she could help people

01:06:14.920 through this very scary diagnosis. Yeah, it was where Diana, I would argue, had her most power. We will

01:06:22.360 never forget in the early nineties when she went public in a very dramatic and emotional speech

01:06:28.760 and revealed her battle with bulimia. It was highly personal. It was very detailed. But you've

01:06:36.140 got to remember, Megan, Diana went completely against the grain of the royal family who like

01:06:43.480 to keep these matters private or at least general. Harry, of course, has followed in his mother's

01:06:51.100 footsteps talking about his mental health issues in some detail. Now, lots of people would say that

01:06:56.380 was a mistake. And his tis todger. Yeah. Please, God, none of that. We don't need to know.

01:07:05.380 He's really gone there, Dan. Okay. Yeah. So let's talk about what some of these bad actors have been

01:07:11.460 doing, because I did think it was interesting that this guy featured in their Netflix documentary,

01:07:17.700 in Megan and Harry's Netflix documentary, last name Boozy, Christopher Boozy. Oh, yeah.

01:07:24.620 He's been one of the chief firelighters, as far as I can tell, on the doubting. And he continues to.

01:07:33.400 So here is a bit of what he has been saying. Is this his comparison of them at the farm? Let's watch

01:07:41.520 it. He posted this to Twitter, comparing them walking where we know it's them versus this to

01:07:47.300 these two at the farm, suggesting there's a difference, right? Some people online have said,

01:07:53.220 oh, there's a height difference, Kate versus William. I mean, sometimes we wear heels as women.

01:07:57.160 Sometimes we don't. Who knows? But a lot of people believing that that farm video is not the real

01:08:02.960 Kate. Some suggesting it's not even the real William. And this guy, Christopher Boozy, is a tech CEO.

01:08:09.740 Again, he was from the Megan and Harry documentary. I use that term in air quotes. Let me give you what

01:08:15.960 he's saying. I'm sorry to hear Kate has cancer. I hope she has a full recovery. He posted this on

01:08:20.640 X. But it's also clear that all three earlier photos of her were fake and the palace tried to

01:08:26.860 cover it up. There was one of her sort of puffy faced, caught in the car. There was one of her

01:08:32.080 in a different car. And then there was the farm video. It still hasn't dawned on most people yet

01:08:38.000 how much the palace lied. Kate is fighting cancer and they blamed her for the Photoshop photo,

01:08:42.660 knowing it wasn't true. Kate wasn't releasing blurry fake photos of herself.

01:08:47.720 I'm not the least bit embarrassed. I said the woman in the Windsor farm video wasn't Kate

01:08:52.780 and she's not Kate. Kate bravely sharing her cancer diagnosis has nothing to do with the

01:08:57.720 smiling person who was walking fast and holding a grocery bag. I am vaccinated against gaslighting.

01:09:05.300 And there's much, much more from this guy. But what do you make of that?

01:09:07.400 Well, look, this plays into a much bigger issue. So Christopher Buzi, he is effectively the

01:09:14.980 spiritual leader of the Sussex squad. Now, the Sussex squad, Megan, they are actually a really

01:09:21.180 nefarious force on the internet. They are the biggest group of trolls in the world. I think

01:09:27.240 the vast majority of them are fake. I've learned that the key ringleaders will run hundreds and

01:09:34.060 hundreds or even thousands of accounts. Bots are involved. But what the biggest issue is,

01:09:39.240 is that Buzi claims to be the guy who's railing against internet trolling, just like Harry and

01:09:46.560 Meghan do. Harry and his role at the Aspen Institute as this disinformation czar. And yet,

01:09:54.500 when it comes to this story, they are the ones leading the charge when it comes to disinformation,

01:10:00.560 trolling and abuse. So I'm going to quite publicly now, Megan, again, call on Prince Harry and Meghan

01:10:09.220 Markle if they really believe what they say about trolling and disinformation on the internet.

01:10:15.220 Harry and Meghan, the time has come for you to completely disassociate with Christopher Buzi

01:10:22.120 and the Sussex squad. If you are not prepared to do that, I believe you are leading this charge

01:10:29.200 against your own family with online trolling. And I think it makes him the biggest hypocrites on the

01:10:35.100 internet.

01:10:36.900 This same man, Buzi, had posted over the weekend on Saturday, which is after her video,

01:10:44.780 seen around the world, was Friday, posted serious question,

01:10:48.560 has any reporter taken the time to go to Windsor farm and ask the staff if William and Kate were

01:10:53.800 there over the weekend? Besides the man who was paid for the video, has anyone else gone on the

01:10:58.820 record about seeing William and Kate at the farm? Not a single person who works at the farm or store

01:11:03.560 has gone on the record about seeing them. So just some random guy is the primary source of the story.

01:11:08.920 Sounds legit. Because the man who took the video, his name is Nelson Silva. He was 40. He said he saw

01:11:14.400 them with his own eyes and told the son, I'm, I'm not so much shocked that these comments have

01:11:19.880 continued. I'm just confused how exactly they can continue. This is a video clearly showing Kate

01:11:25.960 and William. I did see them with my own eyes. So he's still not backing down. And yeah, would it not

01:11:34.480 take a simple text from Harry or Megan, who are the ones who made this guy a star to say, yo, just stop.

01:11:44.400 Of course it would. They don't want it to stop. They do not want it to stop. And by the way,

01:11:50.140 when it comes to the farm shop, he's spouting absolute nonsense. The editor of The Sun,

01:11:55.840 Victoria Newton, has gone on the record on the BBC over the weekend to essentially admit that Kensington

01:12:02.760 Palace confirmed the veracity of the photos. That's why they paid the £200,000 plus to run them.

01:12:10.860 Come on. No Murdoch publication is wasting £200,000 on a couple of pictures of lookalikes.

01:12:17.120 It's just ridiculous. Also, by the way, I've met most of the Harry and Meghan lookalikes in the UK.

01:12:24.460 They're lovely people. Sorry, not the Harry and Meghan lookalikes, the Prince William and Kate

01:12:27.600 lookalikes. They're lovely people, Meghan, but they don't look that much like William and Kate. Do you see

01:12:34.100 what I mean? So this is just him spreading disinformation and it's so ironic. It's just so

01:12:40.780 ironic. I would say that if you haven't seen the movie Dave recently, go rent out the movie Dave.

01:12:46.960 We watched this with my family the other week. It's so it's, it's, you know, older now. It's

01:12:51.040 stars Kevin Kline, but he takes over as the, as the acting president. He's a lookalike and the real

01:12:56.580 president has a stroke early on. I'm not ruining anything. And they, they, this evil chief of staff who

01:13:01.720 wants to continue running the government hires Dave, the lookalike to act as the real president

01:13:06.160 and Sigourney Weaver is the first lady. It's hilarious. So anyway, it's kind of timely given

01:13:10.640 the fact that most, not most, many people think Joe Biden has a lookalike. Many people think William

01:13:16.000 and Kate are not really in these videos. Anyway, it's kind of, it's a fun movie to watch. So before

01:13:21.120 we move on from, uh, Catherine, can I ask you about the hospital security breach? Because this is

01:13:27.480 like crazy. So she was in the hospital as she admits. And what happened? Did the hospital give

01:13:33.900 her records to someone pretending they should have access or was it, did somebody try to access her

01:13:40.320 records inappropriately? What happened? Yeah. So what we believe in remember, this is the London clinic

01:13:44.960 where not just Catherine was being treated, but the King as well. And we believe that there were

01:13:52.140 numerous staff members who tried to access Catherine's private medical records. Now the police

01:13:59.860 are investigating this as well as the clinic. Now, uh, Buckingham Palace hasn't confirmed if King

01:14:05.700 Charles's records were also accessed. So the rules in the UK are so much tighter, Megan, when it comes

01:14:12.440 to privacy and what you can report on someone's health, there's certainly a real fundamental belief

01:14:19.240 that if you're in hospital, even as a public figure, no one can sell that information. And I think it does

01:14:25.140 show you the frenzy that had developed online can have a real, real world consequence, consequence,

01:14:30.860 because presuming these staff members at the London clinic just wanted to tell their mates,

01:14:35.980 like this is what princess Catherine has got, but actually don't be surprised if that could result in

01:14:43.060 people losing their jobs, perhaps even facing criminal charges, because I think that will be taken very

01:14:48.160 seriously. Hmm. That's a nightmare. I tell you what, Dan, when I had my three kids, I went into the

01:14:55.880 hospital and I went in all three times because that's like a, if somebody wanted to know, like when a woman

01:15:02.320 was pregnant and then she misses her show as a news anchor, you know what she, you know, like they would

01:15:06.280 announce that she's there, she had her baby. Anyway, I was very careful about that. And so I used an alias and I

01:15:12.200 had the same, it was a ridiculous alias because I'm, you know, it's just whatever. I felt so silly doing it,

01:15:17.980 but I did it. And it was so ridiculous that by the time I had my third kid, they asked me if I could

01:15:23.980 use something else because it was so absurd. So I did, I chose something completely benign and boring

01:15:31.900 for the third one. And I still have the little tags on for me and the baby that say these fake

01:15:36.860 names, but I'm just saying, you know, protection of one's privacy, even at my level is a big deal.

01:15:44.320 I cannot imagine being the princess of Wales and trying to have a, like a cancer surgery

01:15:51.700 and having to worry about prying eyes going into your records in the computer. It's like the Royal

01:15:58.520 Family needs its own hospital. But surely she was using an alias too. So I actually think this must

01:16:05.180 have been a staff member who was aware that she was in hospital, was aware what ward she was in,

01:16:12.320 was aware of what alias she was using. Do you see what I mean? It actually becomes

01:16:16.500 a heightened security breach because there's no way she's, she's down as princess Catherine

01:16:23.400 on the computer records. PC, yo, how are you feeling? All right, wait, I'm going to squeeze

01:16:29.720 in a quick break and then we're going to come back and we're going to talk about so much more.

01:16:33.240 We've got some updates on Harry and Megan and Dan had a big exclusive relating to a lawsuit

01:16:38.800 against the pair. And we'll tell you what he learned.

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01:17:40.060 apply. All right, let's talk about everyone's least favorite princess. That's Megan Markle. So, okay,

01:17:52.500 she's launched a new brand. She's rebranded again, Dan again. And I didn't believe it until I just saw

01:18:01.120 it. I pardon me, please audience, because I, you might throw up a little in your mouth as I just did

01:18:05.680 when I saw it. Okay. I'm going to describe it for the listening audience, but this is, she's promoting

01:18:11.140 her new, I guess, Instagram and her new website. Um, she posted an Instagram story. Okay. The day

01:18:19.000 after it launched, here it is. Watch this. Oh my God. I wish you bluebirds in the spring.

01:18:25.440 I'm sticking flowers. She's baking. She's in a ball gown in a mansion.

01:18:31.760 But more than this, I wish you love. Oh my God. Dan, the name of the, of the new website

01:18:41.520 is American Riviera Orchard Montecito. Hold on. It's just seven more pages long. I'll get to the

01:18:50.020 end of it. American Riviera Orchard Montecito, which she says she thinks is perfect. And the best

01:18:55.300 I can tell, cause they've, I guess they're going to be selling cookbooks and other, like she's trying

01:18:59.820 to be that ballerina farm lady who's over here on Instagram, who everybody's following. And I think

01:19:05.000 she married the guy whose parents own jet blue and she wants everybody to believe that she's like

01:19:09.340 self-made. Meanwhile, she's got all this money from the husband's parents and she's out on her farm

01:19:13.820 with 10,000 kids trying to say, this is what it looks like to be a trad wife. And it's a lie. And

01:19:19.280 I think we have another lie going out of Montecito from the Duchess of duplicity.

01:19:24.000 Oh yes. Uh, this is like goop on acid, isn't it? And not in a good way. I mean, come on,

01:19:32.720 who wants to buy garlic oil from Megan Markle? I actually think this is going to be a real failure

01:19:40.140 genuinely, because I do not understand what market she's pitching at. Who wants her products? No,

01:19:48.040 this is odd. Uh, I'll also tell you, Megan, I'm picking up from the Royal family. My source is

01:19:54.100 there. Lots of unhappiness that she used the vacuum provided by Catherine and all of the headlines

01:20:02.200 around her health in order to purposefully launch her new venture, which they thought was, uh, quite

01:20:08.420 icky, but look, this is what they do. Isn't it? This is what they do. They want to make lots of money.

01:20:12.640 They failed to make money from Spotify. It was a complete disaster. Spotify pulled the deal.

01:20:19.260 Uh, they've failed to have any hits on Netflix apart from their one reality series where they

01:20:24.000 decided to slag off their own family members. So now she's doing a goop and I think it's not going

01:20:30.320 to go well. I mean, after all that, after like getting the role in suits, landing Prince Harry,

01:20:38.640 doing the Netflix, she's back to the TIG. She's back to the dumb lifestyle website.

01:20:44.660 She started with. Yeah. Yes. She's a lifestyle blogger. And you know what this, this tells you

01:20:50.720 so much about this woman's priorities, Megan. She had an opportunity to change the world.

01:20:58.920 Look at princess Diana. We spoke about her earlier, right? Even now decades on people remember what

01:21:05.600 Princess Diana did in terms of raising the awareness of AIDS in the world, in terms of, um, bulimia and

01:21:13.800 in terms of landmines. What is the cause that we are going to connect to Megan Markle apart from

01:21:21.920 acute narcissism? Yeah, right. Exactly. So in the meantime, she continues a legal battle. This one

01:21:31.620 is one of the rare few that she didn't actually file. She was on the receiving end of this one.

01:21:37.160 She loves to sue. She's, she's a big sewer. She and Prince Harry, but she found herself on the receiving

01:21:42.460 end of a lawsuit this time by her half sister, Samantha Markle. And Samantha Markle's case has

01:21:48.460 officially been thrown out with prejudice, meaning she cannot refile it. She was claiming that she had

01:21:54.060 been defamed in Megan Markle's media tour, including with Oprah Winfrey in these comments that Megan

01:22:02.080 made about, uh, she barely knew her family or, or this sister. And, uh, she considers herself an only

01:22:08.740 child. And there were other comments too. The court ruled that stuff is basically opinion and it's,

01:22:15.180 it's not actionable. Opinions are not actionable as a matter of law here in the United States.

01:22:19.040 So you talk to Samantha Markle, uh, in an exclusive, which is awesome. I love that you're

01:22:25.660 already getting exclusives. This is huge. Um, and what did she tell you? We have a bit of a,

01:22:30.120 we have at least one soundbite, but set it up for us. What, what, what did you learn?

01:22:33.460 Well, she says that this is absolutely not over and not going to be appealing. Now, you know,

01:22:39.560 Megan, as, uh, America's number one legal brain, what this means, but her lawyer, her attorney,

01:22:46.020 Peter Tickton, who's a Florida, uh, lawyer, who's very close with Donald Trump, grew up with Donald

01:22:51.700 Trump, previously represented Donald Trump. He really believes in Samantha's case. And he says

01:22:56.660 it's going to the 11th circuit court of appeals. And that he believes that once they are in front

01:23:02.740 of a judge who is not an Obama appointee, which is what judge Hannawell was, and isn't someone who

01:23:09.160 is motivated by the race factor in the Samantha versus Megan battle, he thinks she's got a really

01:23:16.320 good chance. What is, I'm going to, I have a soundbite here that is her talking about being

01:23:22.160 called part of a hate group. It's a reference as I understand it, Dan, to the Netflix documentary

01:23:27.420 before I play it, what set it up? What, who, how did Megan Markle refer to Samantha? How did her

01:23:34.120 Netflix documentary suggest Samantha Markle was part of a hate group? Yeah. So she's tried to

01:23:39.760 link Samantha. I mean, you remember the documentary was all about saying that their trolls were all

01:23:45.020 people who were effectively racist and on the far right. Now, Samantha, who's a very good woman who

01:23:51.320 I've got to know very well. Sure. She's a Donald Trump supporter. She's a supporter of the American

01:23:57.460 constitution. She loves her guns. She loves her free speech, but to link her to a hate group,

01:24:03.600 which is what she feels the documentary did is completely outrageous. And that's one of the

01:24:08.720 reasons she's so angry, as well as the fact that Megan lied about not knowing her. I mean,

01:24:13.980 Megan was at her university graduation. There's pictures of it. Like this woman just lies about

01:24:20.900 everything, even about her sister. Yes, they've fallen out, but they share the same father and

01:24:27.560 they were like a family. But she, of course, she abandoned the father too. And she wanted nothing

01:24:33.360 to do with the, the more working class. Yeah. She's like, she's embarrassed. Yeah. I don't

01:24:40.060 like the fact that Sam is on the right and that Sam is a Donald Trump supporter. Megan hates that.

01:24:46.480 She's a big time Democrat. We've seen loads of families in America torn apart by this, haven't

01:24:50.540 we? But to claim that Sam has any hate in her, which is what boozy and this documentary and all of

01:24:59.020 those people have done, I think it's personally outrageous. And Sam, Sam obviously feels like

01:25:02.800 her reputation has been trashed on an international level because yeah, she can talk to me, but she

01:25:08.180 doesn't have the power of an Oprah Winfrey interview because Megan also trashed her in that interview with

01:25:13.480 Oprah or a Netflix documentary where she's been trashed as well. And it's sort of tried to erase

01:25:18.840 the part that Sam played in her life. Remember there were years and years and years when Doria,

01:25:24.540 the mum who Megan now loves wasn't in the picture at all. It was Thomas Markle who was raising Megan

01:25:31.800 almost as a solo father. And at that point, Samantha was around now. Sure. She's in a

01:25:37.280 wheelchair. She's got serious illnesses, which is one of the reasons why physically she wasn't always

01:25:42.660 in the same house. But as I say, Megan attended Samantha's university graduation. Would you go to a

01:25:49.240 graduation of a half sister who you claim you literally didn't know? All right. Well, here's

01:25:55.580 Samantha speaking to you about that piece of it in Sat 44. I was made out to be in the Netflix thing,

01:26:03.640 a member, a leader of a hate group. A hate group by definition incites a lot of violence globally now

01:26:11.540 because of what is going on and what's being fueled by the radical left. So to put me in the crosshairs

01:26:17.460 of that, I think is morally, you know, irreprehensible. It's disgusting because it's not true

01:26:23.860 and it endangers me. So when she's out there, as you mentioned before, talking about online bullying

01:26:31.040 and, you know, bullying between women, well, we've got a woman who has millions of dollars, who is,

01:26:39.640 in my opinion, and many others, a purveyor of bullying and of misinformation.

01:26:45.700 Yeah, certainly misinformation. But the bullying to charge is supported, Dan. Look at the number of

01:26:54.160 people who have worked for her, who have left running or reduced tears with the stories are legion

01:27:01.660 coming out of not just when she was at the palace, but since she's moved to the American Riviera Orchard

01:27:08.440 farm ballerina, I don't know what it is, but whatever she's doing.

01:27:12.720 No one, no one stays working for this woman. No one stays working for this woman. But look,

01:27:17.940 I think Samantha's right to use the B word. I think it can be bandied around a bit too often.

01:27:22.280 But remember, there were formal complaints made to Buckingham Palace when Meghan was a member of the

01:27:28.600 Royal Family. The staff said that she often left them in tears and that she felt like she was bullied.

01:27:34.660 But what I just think is so ironic, and again, it connects to what I was saying earlier about

01:27:39.040 Catherine, Princess Catherine. If Meghan hates this online bullying, then why is she allowing her squad,

01:27:47.700 the Sussex squad, they are her people representing her online, why is she allowing them to bully her own

01:27:54.960 sister? Yeah, that's exactly right. And why just a simple text to say, hey, even if even if it's

01:28:01.340 not her squad, I put you in my Netflix documentary, I made you an international star, just stop. It's

01:28:07.080 not it's not the time. It's not appropriate. And that's all it would take. Yeah. Before I move on

01:28:11.860 from Harry and Meghan, I've got to ask about Harry speaking out, he went on GMA, we missed this in

01:28:16.080 February, mid February, to promote his Invictus games. And he was asked about this is before we had the

01:28:22.480 official diagnosis that we've heard now from Kate, but we knew that she was ill. We knew that the king

01:28:26.880 was ill. And whether the family could reunify. Here's what he said. An illness in the family can

01:28:32.820 have a galvanizing or sort of reunifying effect for a family. Is that possible in this case?

01:28:38.280 Yeah, I'm sure. I have my own family. Right. So as we all do. Right. So, you know, my family and my

01:28:44.840 life in California is as it is. You know, I will I've got other trips planned that would take me through

01:28:51.500 the UK or back to the UK. And so, you know, I'll stop in and see my family as much as I can.

01:28:57.860 Hmm. Pretty interesting. Like that was not warm. And to me, Dan, that just underscores what we've

01:29:05.000 been hearing, which is that these two have gotten the complete stiff arm on any information about

01:29:10.980 Kate and what she's going like. They they just they don't want to share anything with those two.

01:29:15.400 I don't know, because they can't be trusted. So the issue that William and Catherine have

01:29:20.980 is that they literally do not believe that Harry and Meghan will not leak even the most personal

01:29:27.420 information. So check this out, Meghan. These two, the Sussexes, had no idea what Catherine's

01:29:35.820 announcement was going to be. Their odd little mouthpiece, that weird little guy, Omid Scobie,

01:29:41.480 who wrote the book Finding Freedom. He had to apologise because he posted on X a really crass

01:29:47.300 countdown clock to 6pm, which again suggested that everyone was thinking that this was something

01:29:54.780 much less significant than what it was. So Harry and Meghan had no idea that would have been a

01:30:00.080 personal choice made by William and Catherine, because when it came to Charles, he did inform his

01:30:06.220 son beforehand. You'll also remember that Harry visited for 15 minutes with Charles after the

01:30:12.920 cancer diagnosis before Charles desperately wanted to get away from his his youngest son. But when it

01:30:19.060 comes to William, he doesn't want Harry back in his life. William is a very moral man, Meghan. But

01:30:27.040 let's just say he's not the most forgiving man. And once Harry included all of those revelations in

01:30:34.600 his autobiography spare, including the physical fight between them, including the fact that Catherine

01:30:40.420 had apparently been cold to Meghan right from the start of the relationship, that was it. I do not

01:30:47.320 see their relationship recovering. I honestly don't. Charles is a different story. I think he loves his

01:30:52.600 son. I think he feels very bad about what he put Harry through as a youngster. He takes on a lot of

01:30:58.540 the responsibility himself for Harry's issues. That's not how William feels. And the problem is

01:31:04.360 Harry and Meghan went for Catherine. William has a huge issue with that. It's like you can say what

01:31:13.340 you want about me, mate. You've now come for my wife. There's no going back. Yeah. And not just in

01:31:20.920 there in his book, but in that Omid Scobie book, which was obviously just the mouthpiece for those two.

01:31:27.060 They really went for Kate. They went for the queen. I mean, they really, you know, Queen Camilla,

01:31:32.220 they they they unleashed fully. OK, last but not least, Margaret Thatcher. I got to ask you about

01:31:39.780 this because I saw this in the news. I'm like, what? Yes. The Victoria and Albert Museum in London

01:31:44.700 has named Margaret Thatcher on its list of unpopular public figures right alongside Hitler and Osama

01:31:57.020 Bin Laden as a, quote, contemporary villain. This is after they already rejected an offer from

01:32:06.920 Margaret Thatcher's family that back in 2015 had offered the museum some suits of hers, some handbags,

01:32:15.760 hundreds of items reportedly, including her wedding dress, her red prime ministerial dispatch box.

01:32:22.280 They didn't want them. They, quote, politely declined. And now they're I realize she was a

01:32:28.620 controversial figure. Just ask the folks in Ireland. But they're literally putting her in as a villain

01:32:35.180 or as a as a literally unpopular public figure and listing her along with Adolf Hitler and Osama Bin Laden

01:32:42.780 as a contemporary villain. What do you make of it? Megan, nothing has made me angrier over the past few

01:32:48.720 weeks. At the weekend, I was at the University of Buckingham, which was the university effectively

01:32:53.820 founded by Margaret Thatcher, one of the only sound universities in the country left, which actually

01:32:59.520 embraces free speech. And I was there for the Margaret Thatcher Freedom Festival. This is the

01:33:07.100 greatest prime minister in UK history, modern history, since Winston Churchill. This is a woman who

01:33:14.320 even the left in the UK now acknowledged was an incredible leader. If the UK is currently going

01:33:22.440 to the dogs, the Conservative Party is being utterly thrashed. They need a Margaret Thatcher figure in

01:33:27.540 their life. And for the Victorian Albert Museum to take this stance, I actually think is sickening.

01:33:32.540 It is completely sickening. And it was really interesting speaking to lots of the people

01:33:36.100 at this conference who knew Margaret Thatcher. They loved her. They worked closely with her.

01:33:40.500 They know how brilliant she is. And they are absolutely furious, Megan, that any time she's

01:33:44.960 mentioned in the media, people say things like, love her or hate her. Megan, she won three elections.

01:33:53.300 She never lost an election. She's one of the most popular prime ministers this country has ever had.

01:34:01.060 This is a media narrative. It is a woke narrative. It doesn't back up the facts because, believe me,

01:34:07.960 within the Conservative Party, you know how the Republicans embrace the era of Ronald Reagan.

01:34:12.880 That is exactly how the Conservative Party feel about Margaret Thatcher. The problem is,

01:34:19.760 there's no heir to Thatcher at the moment, which is why their party is so adrift. But this was

01:34:25.180 despicable. It was disgusting. It shows you why these woke institutions have been taken over by the

01:34:31.820 radical left and actually why something has to change. Because as I say, the universities are all the

01:34:36.740 same. I was able to go to this University of Buckingham because it was Thatcher's University,

01:34:41.200 the free speech university. In most university campuses in the UK, Megan, folk like me,

01:34:46.060 we're no longer welcome. Free speech is dead. It's not unlike a story we discussed in our first

01:34:52.440 hour where the former head of the RNC can get hired by NBC News and get excoriated where they have to feel

01:34:59.700 they have to apologize to their audience. But the former White House spokesperson, Jen Psaki,

01:35:05.720 she can get hired. She gets the red carpet rolled out for her. You see it in the coverage of

01:35:10.140 conservative figures and females all the time. I'll give you one personal one. In so many of the

01:35:17.140 New York Times or whatever, you'll see someone like me described as the controversial, the

01:35:21.560 controversial. I don't. Did you describe Al Sharpton that way? The guy whose comments led to eight deaths

01:35:27.920 back in 19, right? No, the left never get. And you too. Now, Dan, you're going to get that like

01:35:32.760 the controversial or for a couple of years, they'll mention like the canceled, you know, the comment.

01:35:37.660 They only do that to people who are on the right and poor Margaret Thatcher, even in death.

01:35:43.120 But you know what? She's in a better place. So to you, Victoria and Albert, too bad.

01:35:48.800 Dan, it's always a pleasure.

01:35:50.860 Thank you so much, Megan. Great to be here.

01:35:53.040 Okay. Don't forget, go to Dan Wooten, 3022outspoken.com. Tomorrow, the EJs are here. See

01:36:01.120 you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 25, 2024

Meltdown at NBC Over Ronna Hire, and Meghan Markle's Cringe New Brand, with Michael Knowles and Dan Wootton ｜ Ep. 749

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