The Megyn Kelly Show - Meltdown Over Supreme Court Tackling Trump ＂Immunity,＂ and Why Biden Won't Take Cognitive Test, with The Fifth Column

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, coming to you live from Sirius XM headquarters in New York City.

00:00:20.000 Happy Leap Day! This is the day we're supposed to do something different, something you never do.

00:00:24.200 We'll get to that, as if we really needed to add another day to this news year, the never-ending news year already.

00:00:30.440 Since we last spoke and brought you the exclusive text messages in the Fannie Willis story, this time yesterday, the rest of the media is playing a serious game of catch-up.

00:00:40.200 Just minutes before we went to air, CNN finally updated its reporting to not only reflect that this story, its story on the texts between Ashley Merchant and Terrence Bradley, which we read to you in full yesterday,

00:00:54.780 was not, quote, an exclusive, as they had posted on their website last night, hours after we had broken it,

00:01:03.160 but finally added, after I publicly shamed them on X for not mentioning that we had broken it, added, quote,

00:01:11.040 Megyn Kelly first reported the texts Wednesday afternoon on her Sirius XM show.

00:01:14.480 So I got to say, CNN, good for you. I publicly shamed you, but it's fine. You did the right thing in the end, so I forgive you.

00:01:23.220 It only took the public shaming in 14 hours, but right on, right on. We'll take what we can get.

00:01:28.020 As of yet, right now, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, nothing. They committed the same sin and they haven't updated their reporting.

00:01:35.400 So, pfft on you, because AJC, I've cited you repeatedly.

00:01:39.180 When you break news that I could go down to the courthouse and pull the brief myself on so I don't have to cite you, I still cite you.

00:01:44.960 Why do I do that? Because it's a professional courtesy in journalism.

00:01:48.800 That's why I don't like you any more than you like me.

00:01:50.980 I do it because it's a professional courtesy and you need to update your reporting because I deserve the same in return.

00:01:57.500 So, okay, moving on.

00:02:00.040 Right now, some of the biggest media outlets in America are completely ignoring the bombshells.

00:02:04.700 That's the New York Times, Washington Post, many others. Just, it didn't happen.

00:02:08.480 It's like Terrence Bradley, they viewed him as a dud the other day.

00:02:11.800 They don't care about the impeachment with his prior inconsistent statements with the text.

00:02:15.560 They didn't care to look at the text to see how this guy completely confirmed that there was an affair before these two officers of the court testified there wasn't.

00:02:23.800 All of it just remains uncovered and you know exactly why.

00:02:28.240 On top of all this, late yesterday, the Supreme Court announced it is taking up former President Donald Trump's immunity case.

00:02:35.260 Wow. Mike Davis was right.

00:02:37.860 Our pal Dave did not get that one right.

00:02:39.560 We'll talk to them about it when they come on later.

00:02:41.700 Not today, but tomorrow.

00:02:43.360 Meaning Donald Trump very well may have pulled the inside straight we've been talking about.

00:02:47.920 The inside straight.

00:02:48.600 He needs to beat these criminal cases, all four of them, or stall them until after the November election.

00:02:54.860 Folks, it's happening.

00:02:56.640 It caused an epic, epic meltdown.

00:03:00.360 You're going to be shocked when you hear who it's from.

00:03:02.640 Keith Olbermann, he got upset.

00:03:03.880 He's upset again, and he is labeling everyone on the Supreme Court, well, just about everyone, whores.

00:03:12.320 The whores.

00:03:15.480 Here to discuss it all in person for the first time are pals from the fifth column, Camille Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welsh.

00:03:24.400 Find all of their work at wethefifth.substack.com.

00:03:28.300 Hi, guys.

00:03:29.020 Howdy.

00:03:29.520 Thanks for having me.

00:03:30.580 Great to see you.

00:03:31.320 Great to see you.

00:03:32.040 This is so fun.

00:03:32.860 In person, yes.

00:03:33.400 Look at us in director's chairs and the serious headquarters.

00:03:38.600 I guess we should just kick it off with Olbermann.

00:03:40.880 I have so much goodness for you guys teed up.

00:03:42.800 I've got all your favorites.

00:03:44.700 All your favorites.

00:03:45.820 I believe it.

00:03:46.420 The Olbermann and The View, too.

00:03:48.220 I hope there's going to be some view.

00:03:49.300 You got it.

00:03:49.840 And Harry.

00:03:50.440 Do we have Prince Harry?

00:03:51.340 We've got, and there's one other.

00:03:52.500 Who else do I sometimes play, and you guys are like, him?

00:03:56.040 I'll give you a clue.

00:03:57.980 We once talked about how he was allegedly riding down the street.

00:04:00.480 Oh, oh.

00:04:01.420 Oh, God, yeah.

00:04:02.060 Chris Cuomo.

00:04:02.460 Oh, Chris Cuomo.

00:04:03.540 Yes.

00:04:04.200 Yeah, he's coming out of the basement.

00:04:05.980 Kissing his biceps.

00:04:07.660 It's a fifth column of our stars.

00:04:09.360 So we begin with Keith Olbermann, who we're adding to our repertoire, justifiably so.

00:04:14.640 Take a watch.

00:04:15.380 Oh, no.

00:04:15.680 The conservatives on the Supreme Court are Trump's whores.

00:04:19.360 Chief Justice Roberts is a Trump whore, and he can burn in hell.

00:04:23.780 And Justice Alito is a Trump whore, and he can burn in hell.

00:04:27.500 And Justice Gorsuch is a self-contradicting Trump whore, and he can burn in hell.

00:04:32.120 And Justice Kavanaugh is a drunken abuser Trump whore, and he can burn in hell.

00:04:37.340 And Justice Barrett is a handmaid Trump whore, and she can burn in hell.

00:04:43.040 They are corrupt.

00:04:43.680 Wow.

00:04:44.880 They have corrupted the Supreme Court.

00:04:47.020 We will have to remove them from the Supreme Court.

00:04:50.100 Or create a replacement for the Supreme Court.

00:04:54.240 Yes.

00:04:54.460 Oh.

00:04:54.820 Oh.

00:04:55.760 Excellent.

00:04:56.620 It's a good plan.

00:04:57.400 Yeah, I think it's awesome.

00:04:58.160 That's when the whores come in.

00:04:59.640 He's mentally ill, by the way.

00:05:01.040 Yeah, there's something wrong.

00:05:01.640 There's something wrong with him.

00:05:02.680 I mean, every time I see him, I thought he disappeared.

00:05:04.980 He used to have a show on television.

00:05:06.160 I don't know if the people remember that, but he used to...

00:05:08.260 It was the worst person in the world.

00:05:09.940 Yeah.

00:05:10.160 And the irony is it was always him.

00:05:11.820 It was always him.

00:05:12.440 And no one really got that.

00:05:14.640 And so, but now he's going to cancel the Supreme Court.

00:05:17.080 Yeah, I can't believe that.

00:05:19.000 He has a podcast.

00:05:20.040 Is that true?

00:05:20.540 Yes, yes.

00:05:21.160 I guess they let anyone have podcasts, Michael.

00:05:23.140 Yeah.

00:05:23.420 I think we shouldn't be fine-forming him, Megan.

00:05:25.520 Because we have to.

00:05:26.320 We listen because we have to.

00:05:27.500 Yes.

00:05:27.800 We get clips like that gold.

00:05:29.460 The whores.

00:05:30.320 That's when the whores come in.

00:05:31.600 I'm surprised he didn't find a way to, like, inappropriately fold in Katie Turr.

00:05:35.300 Yes.

00:05:35.900 Always mentions.

00:05:37.040 Yes.

00:05:37.160 He did it again.

00:05:37.800 Just the other day.

00:05:38.540 Yes.

00:05:39.040 Do you remember we discussed the first meltdown about her?

00:05:42.580 Yes.

00:05:42.600 Where he's like, she asked me to write her book.

00:05:44.420 I used to edit her columns and her pieces.

00:05:46.420 Yes.

00:05:47.480 Doubled down with the same story last week.

00:05:49.120 Yeah.

00:05:49.620 Obsession.

00:05:50.180 It was because, you know why?

00:05:51.300 Because Katie Turr's sin was questioning whether the $450 million judgment against Trump was fair.

00:05:57.240 Which it isn't.

00:05:58.240 Is it fair?

00:05:58.900 She wasn't saying it's not.

00:06:00.000 Yeah.

00:06:00.180 Both of her panelists were like, yes, it's fair.

00:06:01.960 Of course.

00:06:02.420 Because she asked the question.

00:06:03.820 He resurrected.

00:06:04.740 He is a sick man.

00:06:06.160 He's a sick man.

00:06:06.480 Both former FBI prosecutor panelists on MSNBC.

00:06:10.180 That's all they have.

00:06:10.820 Yes.

00:06:11.020 Yes.

00:06:11.120 Like, they bring a new one every day.

00:06:12.740 Oh, I'm a former FBI prosecutor and we shouldn't have the First Amendment.

00:06:16.040 And by the way, Donald Trump should pay a billion dollars.

00:06:18.560 I do appreciate one thing about Keith Oldman is that in that clip, he said, usually you have all the way back to FDR to pack the court when you're not getting your New Deal stuff through.

00:06:30.140 Pack the court.

00:06:30.760 Now we've had more conversations about packing the court.

00:06:33.000 He wants to now replace the court with something else.

00:06:36.400 We don't know what that is.

00:06:37.460 But I'm sure you have the over court.

00:06:40.040 Because you remember in the old show, he used to call everyone, sir, you, sir.

00:06:43.940 And he would then denounce George W. Bush for like 20 minutes.

00:06:46.740 I guess he would be, it would just be the over court.

00:06:48.540 Yeah.

00:06:48.860 Yeah.

00:06:49.180 Well, I'm glad he doesn't want to pack it.

00:06:50.100 He wants to recreate it.

00:06:50.740 Yeah.

00:06:50.860 Good luck.

00:06:51.300 I mean, there's that pesky thing of Article 3.

00:06:53.240 So I guess somehow he'll deal with that.

00:06:55.300 But all part of the Democrats plan.

00:06:57.100 I mean, it really is amazing that at this point there's been no decision made apart from we'll hear the case.

00:07:01.460 Yes.

00:07:01.660 We'll actually take a look at this.

00:07:02.660 No, they'll swat Trump down.

00:07:04.200 I mean, the question is, is it going to be 7-2 or 9-0?

00:07:06.620 Yeah, he's going to lose.

00:07:07.380 He's going to lose badly.

00:07:08.700 And like John Roberts is going to absolutely peacock that decision, which he will write.

00:07:12.460 You can pretty much guess.

00:07:14.160 So he will lose.

00:07:15.360 It's just like you're not going to get your trial as soon as you thought.

00:07:17.840 It's the delay.

00:07:18.580 But he's right.

00:07:19.660 He's won in the process of losing.

00:07:22.520 The delay is the win if he gets elected.

00:07:28.380 If he doesn't get elected.

00:07:29.700 I mean, we haven't really talked about how that kind of ruins the inside straight.

00:07:33.340 But if he gets elected, he just pulls Jack Smith off of both of these federal prosecutions and he's done.

00:07:39.720 George is falling apart.

00:07:40.900 New York's a joke.

00:07:42.100 Both of the federal prosecutions will go away if Trump gets reelected.

00:07:45.240 But Florida documents.

00:07:46.720 It's going away.

00:07:47.460 He'll just pull Jack Smith off of the case.

00:07:49.660 That's it.

00:07:50.380 He doesn't.

00:07:51.020 That case is not going to go to trial before Trump gets reelected if he gets reelected.

00:07:54.560 So all he has to do, he doesn't have to pardon himself.

00:07:57.240 Only when there's a conviction do you have to pardon.

00:07:59.140 He just says, Jack Smith, you're fired.

00:08:01.360 Third, my attorney general is probably going to be Mike Davis, very frequent guest on our show, is the new sheriff in town.

00:08:07.620 He's going to decide whether this is an appropriate case for an independent prosecutor or counsel, a special counselor.

00:08:13.000 And the answer is going to be no.

00:08:15.060 So both the Fed prosecutions die if Trump gets reelected.

00:08:19.400 So now we're only talking about Georgia and New York.

00:08:21.420 And that's why he just needs delay in the federal prosecutions.

00:08:24.340 And the Mar-a-Lago case, he's got it because that's just such a morass with the classified who can see what.

00:08:29.420 And the J-6 case was the worst one.

00:08:32.240 Chutkin doesn't like him.

00:08:33.400 The D.C. jury won't like him.

00:08:35.220 Obviously, Jack Smith doesn't like him.

00:08:37.140 And that's the case he just is.

00:08:39.540 She can't issue any rulings now.

00:08:41.580 She can't do anything in this case until the Supreme Court issues its decision, which probably won't be until the end of June.

00:08:47.040 And she can't even keep motion practice going, like let's keep pedal to the metal just in case.

00:08:52.160 No, it has to all be shut down.

00:08:54.320 So there's no way she's going to get this case tried when she gets the green light, which we all think she's going to get, that Trump won't win the actual argument at SCOTUS.

00:09:02.900 Between July 1st and November 1st, not a chance.

00:09:07.080 So that leaves Manhattan, which he would, let's say it's the weakest case and the one most likely to be tried and maybe the one most likely he would lose.

00:09:16.360 Yeah, just because the it would be pretty unfair and he will get zero, I think, political damage done by being declared guilty in the Manhattan case because people will see it, I think, transparently as this is just a political hit job.

00:09:28.300 I mean, look at the way that Tish James is comporting herself these days.

00:09:33.400 This is like and this is this has something to do with the Fannie Willis, too.

00:09:36.680 Like you're not bringing your best here, your best foot forward saying we are serving impartial justice.

00:09:43.100 We are being professional in our job.

00:09:45.400 No, they're going to scoreboard and you're like an elected official.

00:09:48.540 What are you doing?

00:09:49.660 That's not building any confidence from people that there's any kind of sense of rule of law.

00:09:55.640 A trusted third party is out there delivering justice equally.

00:10:00.900 So if Trump gets convicted only in Manhattan.

00:10:03.740 New York has humiliated itself.

00:10:05.840 New York used to be a shining star amongst benches and jurists.

00:10:11.100 And now look what we've done in the past couple of years.

00:10:13.380 We changed the law so that E. Jean Carroll could get Trump.

00:10:16.040 And she has this ridiculous damages award, which doesn't comport with anything of 80 million dollars for her alleged defamation.

00:10:23.020 Yeah, sure.

00:10:23.740 Of what reputation again?

00:10:25.120 Which almost smells like double jeopardy kind of situation.

00:10:28.180 Yeah.

00:10:28.460 Being prosecuted for approximately the same thing in both of those cases, won five million dollars, won 80 odd million dollars.

00:10:34.720 And then.

00:10:35.800 Yeah.

00:10:36.460 But I mean, it's absurd.

00:10:37.580 It bears no relation to her actual damages, this punitive award.

00:10:40.700 And then we have the 450 million, 355, but with the interest 450 so far.

00:10:44.940 Yeah.

00:10:45.680 From Tish James.

00:10:46.680 And on top of that, now you've got you've got the Stormy Daniels hush payment case coming, which I think you're right.

00:10:52.460 People maybe were wrong.

00:10:53.980 Right.

00:10:54.160 Maybe some portion of independence really mean.

00:10:57.520 No, a conviction is a conviction.

00:10:58.900 It'll change my view on Trump.

00:10:59.960 But over Stormy Daniels and hush money.

00:11:02.000 Which has been adjudicated, you know, six years ago, five years ago.

00:11:05.260 I mean, people have made up their mind about that in the same way that if you resurfaced the Access Hollywood tape, people wouldn't actually react to it very much.

00:11:13.860 But, you know, I mean, I think that the Fannie Willis stuff in listening to your show.

00:11:17.560 And I said to the two lads we recorded last night, I said, God, Megan is really obsessed with this Fannie Willis character.

00:11:23.500 And so when I and I had seen clips and this is they deserve to lose these things.

00:11:29.580 Right.

00:11:29.940 Because when I saw her being cross-examined, I was like, it was there an interview process here?

00:11:36.700 Because she's like, I have bags of money.

00:11:39.260 We all don't have a sack of money.

00:11:41.760 It's like, what the fuck?

00:11:42.740 Is this real?

00:11:43.660 This is the woman trying to take down the president.

00:11:46.100 She's like, I don't use banks.

00:11:47.140 My daddy never used the bank.

00:11:48.400 And I was like, oh, my Lord.

00:11:49.560 So, yeah, I think that he's doing OK now after I watch that.

00:11:52.860 The entire case has an explicit soap opera quality to it.

00:11:56.280 It feels like the sort of thing that Tyler Perry might pull together, like this preposterous courtroom drama, like the former divorce attorney who, like, incidentally just kind of acknowledges explicitly, oh, they definitely had a relationship.

00:12:08.580 I absolutely know it for sure.

00:12:10.420 And then on the stand, oh, my goodness.

00:12:12.740 Yeah.

00:12:13.240 He's like, God damn.

00:12:14.540 It's incredible.

00:12:17.460 It was amazing.

00:12:18.260 And we've run the clip many times.

00:12:19.720 But my favorite was she's like, you want us to believe you had hunks of cash, thousands and thousands that you just found and gave to Nathan Wade at a time when you were forty six hundred dollars under a tax lien?

00:12:28.280 Oh, now you're going to tell me how to pay my bills?

00:12:30.040 Yeah.

00:12:31.240 Yes.

00:12:31.980 In fact, yes, I am.

00:12:34.200 I love the the like very sort of shrill defenses like, oh, again, another black woman's being attacked.

00:12:42.000 Yeah.

00:12:42.480 Kind of thing.

00:12:43.200 And I would suggest she even made herself, by the way.

00:12:47.020 Sure.

00:12:47.180 So it allowed people to lean in.

00:12:49.600 But for all of us in this country who laughed at Four Seasons landscaping.

00:12:54.600 Right.

00:12:55.100 Who laughed at some.

00:12:56.740 Which is hilarious.

00:12:57.440 That brought me back.

00:12:58.540 Who laughed at Rudy Giuliani's makeup.

00:13:00.420 Giuliani announced that guy.

00:13:01.260 Dripping down here.

00:13:02.060 Yeah.

00:13:02.320 Who laughed at like the MyPillow guy and all these sort of weird clowns who are around Trump advising him about crazy things.

00:13:07.640 All of whom are like they owe hundreds of millions of dollars in various lawsuits, by the way.

00:13:11.280 If you laughed at all of that or Trump's a hot lawyer that both of you guys like.

00:13:15.580 Yes.

00:13:16.340 A great lawyer.

00:13:17.360 Alina Hava.

00:13:18.500 Hava.

00:13:18.700 She's bad at lawyering from everything I can tell.

00:13:21.120 But she's swiping the right direction, Matt, when you see her profile.

00:13:24.740 That's the important thing.

00:13:25.800 If you laugh at all those things and so many people in journalism laughed at all of those things, don't get high and mighty about, oh, we're being too mean to the prosecutor.

00:13:34.260 Because those people that you were laughing at, those are private lawyers, turns out, right?

00:13:38.640 They weren't agents of the court necessarily.

00:13:41.960 These are people who are on the payroll of the city and the state and the county and the whatever.

00:13:47.380 You're paying, your taxes are paying for them and they're behaving this badly.

00:13:51.180 So it is funny and we're going to laugh because that's what you do.

00:13:54.340 You laugh at all the ridiculousness.

00:13:55.240 It's laugh or cry.

00:13:56.280 Thank you.

00:13:57.380 It's 2024.

00:13:58.360 That's the motto of the year.

00:13:59.640 Then you laugh at this but also save a little bit of outrage because you should have impartial and professional behavior among the people who have this awesome power that we've given prosecutors in this country and they're not acting at all professionally or well.

00:14:14.320 And by the way, on the race thing, yes, it's like white defense attorneys representing – I don't know if they're all white or black.

00:14:21.320 I actually haven't looked at the defendants in the Georgia case.

00:14:23.320 But the two witnesses against Fannie and Nathan are also black.

00:14:27.640 It's like they're doing their best to make it into a black thing.

00:14:30.560 It's failing.

00:14:31.460 I will tell you we have an interesting update today.

00:14:33.300 We talked yesterday – let me pull it up on my phone – about Terrence Bradley, the difference between Terrence Bradley in the text to Ashley Merchant.

00:14:42.800 Like, yeah, they totally started well before they testified and I can give you all these names and these are the people who I think know versus on the stand.

00:14:50.300 I know nothing.

00:14:51.080 It was –

00:14:51.820 Speculation.

00:14:52.700 Sergeant Schultz, right?

00:14:54.020 Nothing.

00:14:54.680 I don't know enough to know if I was lying.

00:14:56.660 I have the old – I'm an ancient person.

00:14:59.020 Honestly, all my references are so old.

00:15:00.900 Somebody once – he said on Twitter the other day, you're old if you like Frasier.

00:15:04.720 I'm like, huh, Frasier.

00:15:05.380 Well, on the podcast last night talking to this very issue, I did make a Red Fox reference.

00:15:09.760 So go ahead with Tom.

00:15:10.320 It works for me.

00:15:11.380 Who didn't watch it?

00:15:13.740 Dun, dun, dun, dun.

00:15:14.460 Okay.

00:15:15.460 Okay.

00:15:16.580 So the guy who spoke to Terrence Bradley in between cooperative Terrence Bradley and I know nothing Terrence Bradley was – his name is Banks.

00:15:28.340 Okay.

00:15:28.580 I'm trying to remember his first name.

00:15:30.380 Is it Gabe?

00:15:31.340 Yeah.

00:15:31.980 Gabe Banks.

00:15:33.060 And this – we told the audience yesterday that Gabe Banks called, according to Terrence Bradley, Terrence Bradley, after it became pretty clear he was cooperating with the defense in some way, or at least there was a suspicion.

00:15:46.580 And suddenly, Terrence Bradley did a 180.

00:15:49.360 You know, no, nothing happened.

00:15:51.540 And so the implication by the defense lawyers at the hearing was he threatened you, right?

00:15:56.220 Like we don't know what he threatened you with.

00:15:58.000 There's a whole host of things potentially.

00:16:00.860 I don't know.

00:16:01.740 It could be anything.

00:16:02.660 But Gabe – this guy, Gabe, is very close friends with Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade.

00:16:07.700 We knew he was friends with Nathan Wade and we knew that his wife worked for Fannie Willis.

00:16:11.060 Well, now it turns out – let me get the facts correct.

00:16:16.200 He, Banks, was sworn in as a judge pro tem under Fannie Willis in a different court.

00:16:26.980 And not only that, he also invited Fannie Willis to his wedding.

00:16:32.360 And we've seen pictures of Fannie Willis all around his wedding.

00:16:35.740 So Fannie Willis – it's not just Nathan Wade.

00:16:37.460 Fannie Willis is very close apparently with this guy, Banks, who was the one person, according to Terrence Bradley, who did call him in between cooperative Terrence and Sergeant Schultz Terrence.

00:16:50.660 Doesn't look good.

00:16:51.780 Doesn't look bad.

00:16:52.860 No.

00:16:53.440 So what's the upshot here?

00:16:54.880 She's removed from the case.

00:16:56.500 There's questions about kind of the credibility of things.

00:16:59.180 They've got to find a new attorney to end up leading the case.

00:17:02.300 But it doesn't necessarily mean the case goes away.

00:17:04.180 No, it doesn't.

00:17:04.860 It certainly could mean that it's delayed until after the election.

00:17:08.560 Correct.

00:17:09.100 And that – now he would not, as president, have the power to pull that DA off of the case.

00:17:14.180 But the thing is, there are real questions about – this is Georgia.

00:17:18.000 It's not New York.

00:17:19.320 You know?

00:17:19.920 The real question about whether there's another DA down there who wants to take this case.

00:17:22.820 Yeah.

00:17:23.280 Can you – why would you want to take this on?

00:17:24.980 You'd have to be somebody who's very politically ambitious, who wanted to make herself a star, which we know is true of Fannie Willis.

00:17:31.400 She hired the media company to monitor her mentions, get back to me with how many articles they're writing about me.

00:17:36.420 She runs to the microphones every time she gets the chance from the church to beyond.

00:17:41.660 And now any prosecutor knows what he or she is getting themselves into.

00:17:45.960 You've got a very talented team of defense lawyers on a very shitty case.

00:17:49.260 This is a crappy, made-up RICO violation that she just found a way to bring.

00:17:54.260 So who would want this dog and to have to make it hunt and sick the new president or likely president against you?

00:18:01.800 Like I don't know that it is clear.

00:18:04.320 In a state like Georgia, there's another DA at the ready.

00:18:06.960 And I actually don't even know.

00:18:08.120 So I think the way they'd have to do it is there's like an overseeing board that would like decide or try to get a prosecutor to take it.

00:18:17.300 And I think that board, it's not a bunch of Fulton County Democrats.

00:18:21.700 It's more statewide, which means they're probably a little redder.

00:18:24.580 So they may actually look for someone impartial.

00:18:25.460 Yeah.

00:18:25.700 That's the thing.

00:18:26.580 Yeah.

00:18:26.780 So it's the best Trump could hope for.

00:18:28.240 I just think that you should never count out Americans right now ability to voluntarily self-degrade as they're going about their political lives.

00:18:41.900 I mean, how many times – and you see this with Trump and his legal team and his personal conduct and other things.

00:18:48.560 Like you think he's not going to do the next thing, is he?

00:18:51.100 Like it's been seven, eight years that he's been in our political life.

00:18:53.960 He does the next thing every time.

00:18:55.720 Every time.

00:18:56.160 And the people in the Never Trump crew, they do the next thing too.

00:19:01.060 Yeah.

00:19:01.500 Or they will come back and relitigate and say, no, he still is a Russian stooge.

00:19:07.360 They're still holding on to this.

00:19:08.520 We're at the point where if you go back – and I actually had cause to do this for something I was writing – went back to look at MSNBC and Rachel Maddow in particular in 2016, 17, 18.

00:19:19.260 And it is just a derangement.

00:19:21.320 And watching it with the kind of eyes of right now, after the Mueller report, after everything we know about Russia, that Donald Trump was an agent of the Kremlin, of the KGB, of the FSB, of the Bolsheviks of 1917.

00:19:33.640 Anything they could throw at him was unbelievable.

00:19:38.100 So they tried to do this in every possible way.

00:19:40.740 And you get it from, you know, the Access Hollywood tape, which I mentioned before, you know, all of this stuff.

00:19:45.060 The guy's a bad guy.

00:19:46.460 OK, well, the people who like him, well, they're deplorables.

00:19:49.580 They're mostly racist.

00:19:51.200 OK, that number is very, very big, 60-plus million.

00:19:54.340 So where do we go?

00:19:55.020 We can't call them all racist.

00:19:56.260 That just doesn't really read with most people.

00:19:58.720 And then the lawfare started.

00:20:00.220 And the lawfare is like, does Donald Trump set himself up for this?

00:20:04.840 Yes, he does.

00:20:05.920 Every time.

00:20:07.160 Because he cannot help himself.

00:20:09.080 He walks into these issues.

00:20:10.500 The call, let's not forget, in Georgia, is a pretty despicable call that if you had Joe Biden ever saying something like that, all of my conservative Republican friends would be like, can you believe that Joe Biden was admonishing these officials saying, go and find me the vote?

00:20:26.900 It's a bad sentence, right?

00:20:28.540 It's not a perfect call.

00:20:29.480 It's not a bad sentence.

00:20:30.480 I mean, it is a bad sentence, but I can defend the nature of the call.

00:20:33.300 You can defend the nature of the call, and it might not be illegal, and the RICO stuff and all this stuff seems insane to me.

00:20:39.320 But it's, let's just say it's a bad look.

00:20:41.440 Yeah.

00:20:41.520 The very, very, like he sets himself up for this stuff.

00:20:43.620 And his behavior after January 6th, then after the election, was terrible.

00:20:46.700 Terrible.

00:20:47.200 And it remains terrible for a lot of reasons.

00:20:50.500 But this desperation, they don't want to win fair.

00:20:55.240 They don't want to fight it out at the ballot box.

00:20:57.440 I have got to play the Chris Hayes soundbite now.

00:20:59.400 I mean, you just teed it up perfectly.

00:21:00.820 Watch his reaction to finding out that SCOTUS is taking the immunity case.

00:21:06.220 I mean, talk about meltdown.

00:21:07.260 Look at all the things you just said.

00:21:08.820 Watch.

00:21:09.980 That they would rob the People's Department of Justice the opportunity to present all the evidence of his guilt.

00:21:15.380 That the voters of this country, you and I, the hundreds of millions of us,

00:21:21.000 might be robbed of the information we need to determine whether the man is guilty of the gravest crime any politician has been accused of since the Civil War.

00:21:29.900 However, if you were hoping that Donald Trump's authoritarian disregard for the rule of law was going to be stopped by Americans, institutions, and the court at the highest level,

00:21:38.280 that hope is severely diminished today.

00:21:46.160 The Mueller investigation didn't stop him.

00:21:48.260 Two congressional impeachments did not stop him.

00:21:50.060 Today is the starkest proof yet that in the zero-sum battle between MAGA and democracy,

00:21:54.440 there was and is only one thing that could ever truly stop Donald Trump, and that is we the people.

00:22:01.280 Americans voting against him, a majority.

00:22:07.420 The light bulb has finally gone off.

00:22:12.120 And when you're hungry, you eat.

00:22:15.180 I mean, are there other basic things that you want to talk about?

00:22:17.380 I mean, I, you know, I've done Chris's show a number of times.

00:22:20.620 I like Chris.

00:22:21.180 He's a very, very smart guy.

00:22:22.280 But that is a distilled cope.

00:22:25.280 That is very, very hundred-proof cope of saying, we didn't get him enlisting off these things.

00:22:31.860 Oh, you're trying to get him?

00:22:32.820 I think you're trying to illuminate things for the voters.

00:22:34.840 You just said two contradictory things, or maybe they're complementary things, that we, the people, need the information.

00:22:41.500 Oh, and by the way, why didn't we get him this time now?

00:22:44.620 Oh, God, we have to do it at the ballot box.

00:22:46.220 And that the Supreme Court has robbed the Justice Department of its opportunity to hold him to account.

00:22:51.840 What?

00:22:52.820 They're kind of the head of the Justice Department, of all justice in the United States.

00:22:57.660 And they ultimately will tell us what the law is or is not, the Constitution is.

00:23:01.560 Like, he's upset that they're playing any role in it whatsoever.

00:23:04.360 It's the Supreme Court.

00:23:05.340 Don't you want, if you are a critic of Trump and of crazy ideas about presidential immunity or executive branch or executive authority immunity,

00:23:14.960 don't you want the Supreme Court to come out 7-2, maybe even 9-0, say, no, you can't claim immunity for the bad guy doing bad things while he's in office.

00:23:24.860 That's not enough.

00:23:25.600 That's why they're doing it.

00:23:26.600 That's why they're doing it.

00:23:27.680 And they're going to rule against him.

00:23:29.300 When they come up with that rule against him, it's going to weaken his cases in court.

00:23:36.160 It's going to remove a tool from him.

00:23:38.120 And it's going to build something that our kids and our kids' kids are going to be able to, if we still have a country, I hear that we don't have a country anymore because fentanyl on the border or something.

00:23:48.220 But we want those tools.

00:23:51.540 We want the Supreme Court to have that ruling.

00:23:53.700 That's a good ruling.

00:23:54.860 And that's a good ruling from an MSNBC point of view, and it's a good ruling for the Fox point of view.

00:23:58.920 If they really just wanted to be partisan hacks, the Supreme Court, they would not have fast-tracked the appeal.

00:24:03.880 They didn't have to take it for this term.

00:24:05.700 They could have said, you've got a very good appeal here, sir.

00:24:07.620 We'll hear it when we come back for business in October, which completely would have basically kept them out of it and allowed the lower case to potentially go.

00:24:15.640 But this is what Jack Smith said.

00:24:17.220 He said, don't hear it.

00:24:18.160 But if you're going to hear it, because Trump hadn't actually sought an appeal, he had sought a delay, and the Supreme Court said, we're going to treat this as a petition to actually appeal, and we're going to go forward with an appeal right now.

00:24:30.760 So Jack Smith got a little win, and Trump got a little win.

00:24:34.120 And the Supreme Court's ultimately, we all agree, going to give Jack Smith a bigger win.

00:24:37.640 But net, net, it's a win for Trump because of delay.

00:24:39.620 I want to raise one other thing with you guys because you mentioned the revisionism and looking back and the hackery.

00:24:46.480 A couple weeks ago when the news broke about Smirnov, the FBI informant being full of shit, right, that this guy was misleading the FBI and then ultimately all of us about Biden and Biden Jr. Hunter taking the 5 million and 5 million bribes.

00:25:03.200 We literally had a segment on MSNBC where their, I think it was the national security reporter, said, this totally redeems those 51 intelligence agents.

00:25:14.240 Correct.

00:25:14.680 Who said-

00:25:15.340 I saw that, yeah.

00:25:16.080 Did you say it's Russian-

00:25:17.360 It was absolutely astonishing.

00:25:18.860 It was crazy talk.

00:25:20.480 Maybe we can pull it over, team.

00:25:21.680 I didn't ask for it.

00:25:22.340 See if you can find it because we had it cut at one point.

00:25:23.840 Yeah.

00:25:23.960 But that's the level of madness that we're at right now.

00:25:27.500 It's actually, I don't even think it's madness.

00:25:28.560 I think it's sinister because you know if you're somebody who's a national security correspondent that all of the information about Hunter Biden, it remains true in the sense that he had a job that he was totally unqualified for.

00:25:41.320 He was a drug addict.

00:25:42.540 He was getting paid an exorbitant amount of money.

00:25:44.420 For what reason?

00:25:45.480 For his last name.

00:25:46.180 Yeah.

00:25:46.460 Period.

00:25:47.080 Right?

00:25:47.300 He did say in text messages, you know, my dad's going to be pissed if this doesn't have the big guy.

00:25:53.320 Sure did.

00:25:53.840 All this, you know, he's having dinners with people there.

00:25:57.140 What does that mean?

00:25:58.140 Okay.

00:25:58.380 Well, we can go into the weeds on that, but it doesn't invalidate any of those claims and things that should be looked at.

00:26:04.060 The fact that the president's brother and the president's son are involved in these shady business dealings, they are relevant.

00:26:12.380 And are there things that should be pulled back from that?

00:26:14.920 I think so.

00:26:15.780 Yeah.

00:26:15.940 I mean, we have to look at this stuff again.

00:26:17.760 I mean, the FBI is in association with a guy because he has associations with Russian intelligence.

00:26:23.460 That's why they're in business with him.

00:26:25.140 They're aware of this stuff.

00:26:26.500 Is there stuff that he likes?

00:26:27.440 Apparently there is.

00:26:28.100 I don't know.

00:26:28.540 We'll find out.

00:26:29.540 But to say that this invalidates everything.

00:26:34.180 And what he's saying is, again, we're going to try to find the clip, but what he's saying is that that letter by those 51 intelligence agents is saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:26:45.460 Yes, correct.

00:26:45.940 That they've been redeemed.

00:26:47.400 Correct.

00:26:47.640 That somehow this one guy with Russian connections, which they knew he had Russian connections, to your point, that that somehow makes them right in retrospect.

00:26:56.780 It's a lie.

00:26:57.900 That's not the Hunter Biden is suing right now, saying the laptop is mine and it shouldn't have been disseminated to anybody other than me.

00:27:06.220 It is his.

00:27:07.540 He's a dollar chip.

00:27:08.320 And I should say this, that I mistakenly presume that everyone would know that that letter was about the laptop.

00:27:13.060 The incredible thing was that you could have validated in one day.

00:27:16.380 It was a very, very simple thing.

00:27:17.480 Everyone was lying about it at the time.

00:27:18.880 You just find one of the emails and call the person who's on the other end of that email and say, did you get this email?

00:27:23.340 Is this a real email?

00:27:24.380 The people aren't inventing those chains.

00:27:25.760 It's not hard.

00:27:25.860 Very, very easy and very, very quick to do.

00:27:28.620 The idea that all of this was misinformation or that this has been vindicated, I think is an unbelievably sinister way of presenting information.

00:27:39.160 It's false.

00:27:40.340 It's fake.

00:27:41.220 The laptop was real.

00:27:43.300 And the thing that's key about this-

00:27:44.820 As their own network is verified.

00:27:46.060 They've all verified it now.

00:27:47.140 The key to this is what happens when you say Russian, Russian agent, he was talking to the entire-

00:27:56.660 It's like putting oxygen into the fire.

00:27:58.560 It reignites for all of them.

00:27:59.880 And they're like, the Russia thing is back.

00:28:01.460 I'm back.

00:28:01.960 And we can talk about Russia again.

00:28:03.660 And it's like, well, yeah, but you're not talking about it in a way that's even remotely honest.

00:28:07.380 Yeah.

00:28:07.680 No, it's the moment at the massage when, you know, you flip over and, you know.

00:28:11.240 The conclusions in all of these instances always precede the evidence.

00:28:24.520 Like, they know that Trump is bad.

00:28:25.940 They know he's a criminal of various sorts.

00:28:27.740 Whatever the merits or demerits of these cases, not up for debate.

00:28:31.120 The only question here is whether or not people are going to scrutinize these prosecutions,

00:28:35.040 whether or not they're going to indulge any of the delay tactics or whatever else that the Trump defense team employs to try to fight back against these cases.

00:28:43.660 You may or may not like those things.

00:28:45.460 But I would expect an honest journalist who is trying to look at this in a somewhat objective way to acknowledge some of these cases just aren't particularly great.

00:28:53.800 Some of these cases do appear to be explicitly politically motivated.

00:28:57.780 I mean, if you're someone who supported the inquiry into President Trump's, then President Trump's call to Ukraine and thought this is justifiable, we should ask questions about that.

00:29:07.960 I don't see how you're not in favor of an inquiry into Joe Biden and his son's conduct, especially because his son has said repeatedly in private correspondence, yeah, my dad is involved.

00:29:17.560 All they're looking to do is cover their own heights.

00:29:19.460 We were right all along.

00:29:20.300 We were right about Russia.

00:29:21.160 We were right about the 51 intelligence agents.

00:29:23.360 Here is the clip.

00:29:24.200 We found it's from Morning Joe, and you'll see and listen to Willie Geist and Ken Delaney and watch this nonsense.

00:29:31.220 The revelation of a Russian-linked informant here comes nearly four years after many in the American Intelligence Committee warned Moscow was behind many of the allegations being levied at the Biden family.

00:29:42.700 Willie, those 51 former intelligence officials, they paid a steep price for signing that letter.

00:29:48.040 And as it turns out, they were right, not in the sense they said that the laptop was part of a Russian information operation or had all the hallmarks of a Russian information operation.

00:29:57.600 They didn't say that the contents of the laptop were made up.

00:30:00.380 And obviously, we know that they weren't.

00:30:02.040 Many of them have been now corroborated.

00:30:04.180 What they said was they were suspicious about why that story was emerging in the middle of an election campaign.

00:30:10.480 And now they've been proven correct in the sense that we now know that Russian intelligence, at least according to the statements of this informant, bolstered somewhat by this indictment, were feeding him information, false information.

00:30:24.820 But back to those 51 intelligence officials, I mean, obviously, what they were doing was trying to help Joe Biden.

00:30:30.460 They've acknowledged that.

00:30:31.340 But the point that they were making in that letter holds up over time, which is that the Russians were trying to flaunt the story that Joe Biden and his son were brought up.

00:30:41.500 Isn't that outrageous?

00:30:43.640 I've been saving that for you guys.

00:30:45.040 That is crazy.

00:30:45.820 So the argument is basically, yeah, sure, it's all true, but these guys gave it to them and that was bad.

00:30:50.540 I think that's what he's saying.

00:30:51.620 I'm trying to.

00:30:52.240 In the middle of a.

00:30:52.900 The decoder.

00:30:53.380 The Russians have been out to get us.

00:30:55.680 Yes.

00:30:55.820 That's it.

00:30:56.380 And that's really all those 51 agents were saying.

00:30:58.960 Why wouldn't they concoct emails and give more persuasive evidence?

00:31:04.120 But so what I think is actually I think this is probably what happened.

00:31:07.140 And again, you know, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of America, I want you to know that I'm speculating here, just like I was on the stand at a funny Willis.

00:31:14.280 Just speculating.

00:31:16.020 But I imagine that there was a Russian guy, just random person who smoked a ton of crack with Hunter Biden, which I've heard is actually a very fun time.

00:31:23.820 And then it was like, let's go to the laptop shop in Delaware.

00:31:26.560 Just drop it off.

00:31:27.280 Yeah, you'll probably forget about it.

00:31:29.240 And they're like, you know, to the other.

00:31:30.320 And then hit the water slides.

00:31:31.420 It's not as if this stuff was hacked material in like the WikiLeaks way.

00:31:35.440 Right.

00:31:35.680 Because then you maybe would have a case.

00:31:37.500 Yeah.

00:31:37.700 OK, this stuff is real.

00:31:38.840 But where did it come from?

00:31:40.100 A dubious source.

00:31:41.160 We get rid of that idea and say, well, it's a dubious source, but is true in the contents are true.

00:31:45.680 The idea that this was a Russian setup is the fact that Hunter dropped the laptop off himself.

00:31:52.280 To the legally blind guy.

00:31:54.000 Yes.

00:31:54.660 Who then got contacted by Rudy Giuliani, who then contacted Rudy Giuliani.

00:31:58.160 As you do.

00:31:58.440 But Hunter never paid him.

00:32:00.740 To say, my God, there's some crazy shit on here.

00:32:02.600 You should take a look.

00:32:03.340 Yeah.

00:32:03.600 The Russians had nothing to do with it.

00:32:05.040 No.

00:32:05.220 That's the truth.

00:32:06.480 The 51 intelligence agents had they were completely wrong to suggest.

00:32:11.320 Right.

00:32:11.920 In advance of that presidential debate, that this was Russian disinformation planted and so on.

00:32:16.720 And by the way, Hunter Biden fostered that lie.

00:32:19.060 Joe Biden fostered that lie.

00:32:20.680 All of them.

00:32:21.100 And it was a lie.

00:32:21.780 And the fact that there's this one agent with ties to Russian intelligence who we knew had those ties.

00:32:26.780 That's why we were using him as an agent.

00:32:28.400 Wound up making one thing up about Hunter having nothing to do with a laptop does not rehabilitate any of those guys.

00:32:34.240 I think one unstated reason why people are so invested in that story being true that is not true is that.

00:32:41.360 And this kind of goes to the whole role that the laptop story played is that the media and social media included treated the Hunter Biden laptop story in the New York Post story back then with this sense of PTSD from Hillary Clinton and James Comey in October of 2016.

00:33:02.480 Correct.

00:33:02.600 There's this media self-analysis, which I think is incorrect, but it's at least interesting, that they overplayed the Hillary Clinton email server so much then.

00:33:14.800 It cost her the election.

00:33:15.820 And we're not going to do that again.

00:33:18.300 It's a very strange thing for someone who's supposed to be in kind of a semi-impartial fact-gathering business to, like, judge their actions based on the potential electoral impact.

00:33:28.760 When I was growing up in journalism, that wasn't the way that people tend to think out loud at least.

00:33:33.620 But a lot of the people who want to rehabilitate those 51 intelligence officers who are lying are trying to rehabilitate their own decisions in supporting Twitter for banning the New York Post from Twitter.

00:33:46.920 Not just, like, the story.

00:33:48.420 Just ban the newspaper.

00:33:49.620 The story, and then they banned the New York Post.

00:33:52.240 In that story, the Hunter Biden laptop, for me, you know, as a journalist, and of course, one of the things you have to point out in this is journalism always overemphasizing its degree of importance.

00:34:03.540 That had we not done that now, like, the people who are voting for Donald Trump in swing states were like, you know, I was just looking at this New York Times story.

00:34:12.060 That didn't happen, guys.

00:34:13.560 I'm sorry.

00:34:14.000 Nobody gives a shit about what you think.

00:34:16.080 Stop thinking that you matter.

00:34:17.520 They don't matter.

00:34:18.500 But the thing that why the Hunter Biden laptop story was so important for me was literally watching the media collapse in a way that was like, no, no, we have control of everything.

00:34:28.380 We control the narrative.

00:34:29.420 And they've done that in a quiet way, not so quiet all the time, but it's given people like Brent Bozell and these conservative groups saying there's a liberal media.

00:34:37.060 That's what it used to be.

00:34:38.260 When that started spinning out of control, when there was other avenues of people getting news, whether it's Megyn Kelly's podcast or The Fifth Column or whatever it might be, you know, Glenn Greenwald, you know, who's talked a lot about this story.

00:34:48.740 And I think he left The Intercept, a company he started over this story because they're saying, like, look, we no longer have all the keys.

00:34:56.820 So we need to actually just shut stories down now.

00:35:00.200 And that's what they did.

00:35:00.980 They shut a story down preemptively in saying, well, we don't know if this is true.

00:35:06.280 We don't know if it's Russian disinformation.

00:35:08.020 It's like you can say that about how many stories?

00:35:10.460 You write anything.

00:35:11.180 Pretty much anything.

00:35:11.960 Not only that, but, I mean, it's not just that they're being skeptical and agnostic.

00:35:16.140 They were saying that it positively was disinformation when it positively was not.

00:35:20.120 They came to the conclusion that was the opposite of the truth.

00:35:23.180 Twitter at the time didn't say that, though, right?

00:35:25.320 They didn't explicitly say that.

00:35:26.680 They didn't need to.

00:35:28.140 They didn't need to.

00:35:29.700 Two points.

00:35:30.700 One, Cheryl Atkinson, you know, she left CBS after many, a dozen years or so.

00:35:35.840 And she's actually got a podcast out right now talking about how over there she was having a similar problem.

00:35:40.920 It's why she left.

00:35:42.120 It was all of her stories kept getting killed, she believed, for either ideological reasons or because they were in bed with the subject of her reporting, right?

00:35:51.020 Like these media companies have been so bought up.

00:35:53.400 It used to be that the principle of reporting the news, irrespective of who might be paying your advertising bills, was more important, right?

00:36:00.280 But now who's paying your advertising bills is more important.

00:36:02.840 That's, you know, after the drug partnership and Pfizer's everywhere.

00:36:05.520 That was one of the issues.

00:36:06.420 She was talking about this report she tried to do on Boeing and the explosions of these lithium batteries on board Boeings.

00:36:13.100 And she had gotten a whistleblower who was ready to go out with this whole report.

00:36:17.300 And they kept killing it at every turn.

00:36:19.600 But anyway, the censorship happens in a number of different ways.

00:36:22.020 And it's a very different model than it was when we were all kids watching the nightly news.

00:36:27.060 It's explicit now.

00:36:27.540 Right?

00:36:27.740 It's explicit.

00:36:28.440 All right.

00:36:28.560 The second point is Hunter Biden's back in the news, as you may have seen.

00:36:32.040 It was on Capitol Hill yesterday.

00:36:33.480 This is per Andy McCarthy, who put this together at National Review yesterday.

00:36:39.120 I am here to provide the committees with the one uncontestable fact that should end the false premise of this inquiry.

00:36:45.240 I did not involve my father in my business.

00:36:49.420 Cut back to his WhatsApp message, July 30th, 2017, sent to his CEFC Chinese Communist Party business partner official.

00:36:58.780 I am sitting here with my father, and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.

00:37:04.600 Tell the director I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight.

00:37:08.680 And Z, if I get a call or a text from anyone other involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman,

00:37:13.940 I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge,

00:37:19.360 that you will regret not following my direction, I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.

00:37:24.000 Yes, with my father.

00:37:24.880 And did you see his explanation for this?

00:37:26.520 He was inebriated, which that is a very properly written email for someone who is super duper high and can't remember anything.

00:37:35.560 I don't know what, maybe I was drunk or high when I sent that fantastic email.

00:37:37.760 I've never written a text that was that, you know, perfect when I was, it's usually like,

00:37:41.980 I cannot believe how awesome this movie is.

00:37:45.220 It's usually something that's really bad.

00:37:47.240 This ice cream tastes so good.

00:37:48.900 Imagine your situation, this is the situation we're in.

00:37:51.560 Where are the Cheetos?

00:37:52.520 With the president and his family, that the two best arguments against, you know, you being a guilty part of this and any of this stuff is that you're a crackhead or you have dementia.

00:38:04.360 Those are our two options, America.

00:38:06.540 It's like, I'm sorry, I was screwed up on crack and my dad, you know him, he's like falling down upstairs all the time.

00:38:12.160 So what are you going to make of it?

00:38:13.520 This story reminds me of my husband's sister and she's hilarious.

00:38:18.160 She lives in Cape Cod and she, he launched a podcast.

00:38:21.940 It's, it airs on SiriusXM.

00:38:23.420 It's called Dedicated with Doug Brunt.

00:38:24.900 And she always does the voice texting, which is not good.

00:38:29.360 No, no.

00:38:29.760 It does not translate the words properly.

00:38:32.560 And so her texts are always hilarious because you're like, what is she saying?

00:38:36.020 And what she had meant to say was, Duggar, I just really love your podcast.

00:38:41.700 And the way it translated was, Duggar, I really love your black ass.

00:38:49.020 Not mutually exclusive, I suppose.

00:38:51.380 I was really worried about the word Duggar.

00:38:53.400 Yeah, me too.

00:38:55.000 That was, that was.

00:38:56.300 Wait, wait, why?

00:38:57.280 My mind's not going there.

00:38:58.400 There's a couple versions.

00:39:00.200 Oh.

00:39:01.960 Fucker?

00:39:02.540 Is that what?

00:39:03.480 A lot of possibilities.

00:39:05.040 Camille might be.

00:39:05.840 Camille, Camille's the one who's always coming up with that.

00:39:08.520 I don't know what's going on.

00:39:10.240 All right, stand by.

00:39:11.980 We're going to let that marinate while we take a quick break and squeeze in some lucky

00:39:16.300 advertiser who gets to come after that.

00:39:18.620 More with the fifth column right after this.

00:39:24.660 My guests today, the guys from the fifth column were live in person at SiriusXM headquarters.

00:39:31.740 It's funny because my hairstylist, Sarah and friend is with me because, you know, we need

00:39:35.400 good hair.

00:39:36.200 And she asked me whether I have PTSD working here right across from Fox.

00:39:40.520 Yeah.

00:39:40.860 And, and, you know, the truth is I have it more from NBC, which is right across the street.

00:39:45.860 Yeah.

00:39:46.080 Yeah.

00:39:46.260 I don't have PTSD from my Fox years though.

00:39:48.360 You know, it's a mixed bag, right?

00:39:49.820 You kind of look at the building and it's like some, some good memories, but a lot of

00:39:53.500 tough ones too.

00:39:54.180 So I'm so much happier being where I am now.

00:39:56.600 It's like, aren't you guys so happy to be independent?

00:39:58.660 Aren't you so happy now with Vice imploding?

00:40:00.360 What are you talking about?

00:40:01.460 I don't know anything about this media organization that was horrible.

00:40:06.260 No, I mean, I, I have to say that the German word Schattenfreude is absolutely perfect for

00:40:12.240 this because you see it happen and you still have a few friends there, but at the same

00:40:16.440 time, you also say, I've been telling you this was going to happen for a very long time.

00:40:20.000 And it's not, as everyone says, because executives made too much money.

00:40:24.700 They did make too much money.

00:40:26.120 They were terrible.

00:40:26.900 They were really bad at everything, but no one talks about the most important thing,

00:40:30.680 which was content in the content became insufferable and priggish and scolding.

00:40:36.420 And nobody wants to come home from a day of work, sit down on the couch, turn on the TV,

00:40:41.620 open up their laptop and be told that, you know, the, their privilege is destroying everyone

00:40:47.800 around.

00:40:48.240 How did they go woke with this guy as their founder?

00:40:50.960 By the way, I heard an interesting report on the journal, um, that he was offered 3.5,

00:40:56.740 3.6, 3.6 billion dollars by Disney at one point to sell Vice.

00:41:01.440 Yes.

00:41:02.020 Now it's completely, it's out of business.

00:41:03.860 The latest, the, the, the investment firm bought it for was 350 million, but it's not

00:41:07.600 worth that anymore.

00:41:08.480 And it's closing.

00:41:09.420 I mean, it's done.

00:41:10.200 The experiment's over.

00:41:11.500 And it used to be this kind of hip, cool place for, especially young guys.

00:41:14.980 I don't know.

00:41:15.400 It seemed like young guys would, would read Vice and watch Vice.

00:41:18.240 I went to work there for that reason.

00:41:19.500 And the fact that that deal, uh, didn't go through did make me financially a lot poorer.

00:41:26.960 And I know a lot of people who are in the same situation that they held out.

00:41:30.880 And when you start believing your own bullshit, it's a pretty, um, like a legitimately toxic

00:41:36.260 environment, not in the, the sort of trendy use of that word, but people start believing

00:41:40.960 the media narrative about themselves.

00:41:43.540 Um, what's the name?

00:41:44.600 Shane Smith.

00:41:45.440 Yeah.

00:41:46.100 And, but you know, it's funny that when you look at all these old stories, the $3.6 billion

00:41:52.920 was at the same time that the valuation of the company was five and sometimes even $6 billion.

00:41:58.520 It's a privately held company.

00:42:00.280 How do all of these media organizations report that stuff without a caveat?

00:42:04.240 The caveat is we're trusting the people from within this company who obviously have an

00:42:09.140 incentive to inflate the value of the company.

00:42:11.440 The reason that number was considerably lower from Disney was because they got to take a

00:42:16.240 few peeks inside.

00:42:18.000 And I think that was even a little much, which is why they walked away and didn't fight for

00:42:22.800 something in the middle or something that the collapse of that essentially spelled the

00:42:27.100 end of the company.

00:42:27.540 So how did they go?

00:42:28.340 How did they go woke and annoying?

00:42:29.740 I sat next to that guy years ago, maybe 16, I think it was.

00:42:33.260 We went out to the Oscars.

00:42:34.740 This is back when, you know, people wanted to be next to me at the Oscars events because

00:42:39.160 they thought I hated Trump.

00:42:40.200 Yeah.

00:42:40.460 And then they found out I didn't and it went downhill.

00:42:42.920 But we went to this event and I remember we were sitting at this table with like Rupert

00:42:46.840 Murdoch and Lachlan Murdoch and Shane Smith.

00:42:49.400 And he was like this cowboy, you know, he's like saying really loud, foul things, which

00:42:55.140 I wasn't offended by.

00:42:55.940 But I was like, wow, look at it.

00:42:56.920 It's very different than the other table mates.

00:42:59.160 And that was they were interested in him, I think, for the same reason.

00:43:02.100 Every media mogul was interested in him because he seemed young and like a like a gunslinger.

00:43:06.540 And they were scared of the future because their core audience averages age 70.

00:43:11.260 Yeah, that's right.

00:43:11.940 So what happened?

00:43:13.500 How does that guy wind up, you know, with a woke organization?

00:43:17.000 Was it because he cashed out a couple of years ago?

00:43:18.840 Well, I remember being in the office, an older iteration of the office when someone whispered

00:43:24.960 to me, I guess it was 2011 or 12, that Rupert Murdoch was there.

00:43:28.320 And everyone was like, wait, Rupert Murdoch is here?

00:43:30.300 Why?

00:43:31.160 And then we find out why he put money into the to the to the organization.

00:43:35.860 Other people in his family did, too.

00:43:37.480 I think that there's a number of reasons that it fell apart.

00:43:42.020 There's a number of reasons that the politics became so crazy.

00:43:45.040 But I think the most obvious one is when you give up control because you want to be taken

00:43:49.460 seriously.

00:43:50.200 When you're the cowboy organization, you want the accolades of the real people.

00:43:55.440 You want the awards from the actual institutions.

00:43:58.840 And then you start hiring people from journalism school and they ruin it.

00:44:02.100 They ruin it.

00:44:03.160 I don't think it was Shane Smith that made a decision to I think people sat back and said,

00:44:08.200 well, these are what the pros do.

00:44:09.560 They know what's what's what's right.

00:44:11.940 And it turns out that nobody liked this stuff.

00:44:14.700 The other stuff.

00:44:15.320 I mean, if you I never use comments as a weather event, particularly on like YouTube comments.

00:44:21.540 But if you looked for the past, like three, four or five years on the comments on Vice

00:44:25.600 stuff, the first 20 were always what happened to you guys?

00:44:28.760 I used to love this stuff.

00:44:30.480 And now I can't stand it.

00:44:31.980 And, you know, I'm not you said Cheryl Ekinson.

00:44:35.460 I'm not unlike that in the sense that, yeah, I couldn't do the stories I wanted to do.

00:44:40.260 I stopped even bothering to pitch them at a certain point.

00:44:43.140 That's what she said.

00:44:43.680 And tried to make the stories that I did do better and, you know, more balanced and more

00:44:47.780 interesting.

00:44:48.100 And I hope I did a good job at that.

00:44:49.900 But, you know, it's my fault, too.

00:44:51.360 I stayed there.

00:44:52.100 I mean, I was well compensated.

00:44:54.200 And, you know, we had a show on HBO and it was great to do that.

00:44:57.020 But it involved a certain amount of compromise.

00:44:59.900 And no one came to me saying, you know, you have a slightly different point of view.

00:45:04.120 That'll be more fun for the show.

00:45:05.580 That'll create a little tension.

00:45:07.200 People get involved.

00:45:08.060 They'll debate it.

00:45:08.700 They'll argue about it in the comments, whatever it might be.

00:45:11.400 There is a point where nobody wanted that.

00:45:14.020 You know, if you went into a meeting, an editorial meeting, and you pitch something that was any

00:45:19.940 of the stories that I've ever talked about in the show, it would just be silence.

00:45:24.880 And, you know, people would not want to do any stories that were off the kind of acceptable

00:45:30.460 path of, you know, what can one say progressivism is probably the easiest way.

00:45:35.300 How much did the New York Times story or series, I forget what it was, that came out, I think

00:45:40.160 2019, portraying Vice as, like, this toxic hotbed of, like, you know, quasi-rapist misogyny.

00:45:49.840 Right, misogyny.

00:45:51.220 2019.

00:45:51.960 Yeah, I forget exactly when it was.

00:45:53.560 But, like, that, and that story was long gestating.

00:45:56.160 Everyone was, like, stealing for it for months.

00:45:58.120 And then they dropped it on a Saturday.

00:45:59.200 They dropped it on a Saturday.

00:46:00.240 What happens when you drop a story on a Saturday?

00:46:01.780 It wasn't a very convincing story, but I'm sure it had internal ramifications at Vice.

00:46:07.320 Some people left because of it.

00:46:09.320 How much did that moment...

00:46:10.700 But, you know, the funny thing about stories like this is a lot of people breathe a sigh

00:46:14.980 of relief, and they say, well, you know, it wasn't that bad, this New York Times story

00:46:17.420 about a Me Too scandal or a series of small ones within Vice.

00:46:21.380 And, you know, I made a different argument and said, yeah, but you know what people are going

00:46:25.580 to remember?

00:46:26.580 That there was a story.

00:46:28.040 That's all they remember.

00:46:28.960 They don't remember any of the details.

00:46:30.200 Nobody remembers any of the details.

00:46:31.940 They do remember...

00:46:33.020 I mean, the big ones in, like, in your situation, like Roger Ailes, that...

00:46:37.260 And they were trying to get, you know, Shane Smith.

00:46:39.220 They were trying to get the top leadership.

00:46:40.620 They didn't get that.

00:46:42.220 And they got a lesser story.

00:46:44.320 But that was the beginning of the end for the organization.

00:46:47.020 They cleaned house after that.

00:46:48.280 They brought in a bunch of, you know, boring corporate people.

00:46:51.300 They made sure that the CEO was a woman, of course.

00:46:53.100 And people who had no idea what the brand and what the idea was.

00:46:57.060 And I talked to people who told me one thing about politics, about how they viewed the world.

00:47:04.500 And then we'd get on a call or do a town hall with the entire staff and say something entirely different.

00:47:10.440 This happened over and over and over and over again.

00:47:13.300 Yeah, did you have to pull a pink starburst out of a jar and tell your sandwich story?

00:47:17.420 My versions of that are a thousand times better.

00:47:20.060 And they're more numerous.

00:47:21.620 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

00:47:22.160 There's still truthers, chicken truthers, who are saying it's made up.

00:47:26.700 Yeah.

00:47:26.940 Nicole Hannah-Jones is still at it, going out there saying, go ahead.

00:47:30.340 Was this fact-checked?

00:47:31.480 Was this fact-checked to the point where The Atlantic had to come out and say, yes, we fact-checked even the Chick-fil-A story?

00:47:35.480 And this is the Adam Rubenstein story.

00:47:36.800 Yeah, the guy who left New York Times and said, I got shamed over the fact that I said I like Chick-fil-A.

00:47:41.220 Yeah, I mean, he left over the Tom Cotton email.

00:47:45.420 But it was funny.

00:47:46.140 Like, they didn't even come out and say it.

00:47:48.120 It was Jesse Single, our friend and one of the hosts of Blockton Reported, who emailed them.

00:47:53.840 Because everyone's truthering on X.

00:47:56.080 Hold that thought.

00:47:56.580 Actually, I do want to pick this up because you've got to hear some of this.

00:47:58.820 But I've got to pay a bill first.

00:48:00.220 I love to pay my bills because my advertisers make these conversations possible.

00:48:04.560 Stand by.

00:48:05.100 Fifth Column stays with us.

00:48:06.800 We can't leave the subject of Vice News without asking you about this made news.

00:48:15.240 Per CNN, see, that's how you do it, media reporter Oliver Darcy, in his newsletter, he talked about this virtual Vice Media Town Hall.

00:48:24.220 It happened on Wednesday.

00:48:24.800 The meeting had to, quote, be ultimately scrapped after some laid-off employees invited to the virtual meeting inundated leadership with thumbs-down emojis.

00:48:34.180 They, quote, became too much to ignore.

00:48:36.800 Flooding the screen for all to see, said a Vice Media executive.

00:48:40.700 In a statement to CNN, the spokesperson said,

00:48:42.680 It's unfortunate that employees remaining with the organization, who greatly want to contribute to its success, were sabotaged by a few bad actors.

00:48:51.040 Well, it's also not true because they were prevented from asking questions.

00:48:53.700 That's why they did it.

00:48:54.600 Oh.

00:48:55.260 Somebody sent me a video of it.

00:48:56.480 I still get information from there.

00:48:58.840 And it's, yeah, it was just the thumbs-down emoji covering this woman, you know, spewing bullshit about what's happening at Vice.

00:49:07.000 And, yeah, there was no opportunity for these people who were recently laid off.

00:49:10.900 And, you know, being laid off as this is happening, people were laid off, you know, a couple days ago to ask any questions.

00:49:16.100 Like, what happened?

00:49:17.240 What is this company becoming?

00:49:19.260 You know, am I getting a severance?

00:49:20.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:21.000 Which is the thing that none of them are getting.

00:49:23.920 So, of course.

00:49:24.440 I thought it was hilarious.

00:49:25.400 That's amazing.

00:49:25.980 They had their say one way or the other.

00:49:27.240 What's also going to get a thumbs-down is Kareem Jean-Pierre at the White House not refusing or not giving us any information about President Biden's cognitive health or access to his doctor.

00:49:37.680 So he's had his annual physical.

00:49:38.920 It happened last year in February and this year again in February.

00:49:42.220 And he apparently is fine, super robust.

00:49:48.220 His gait is a little stiff, but no worse than last year.

00:49:52.400 And when asked the money question, which is, what about the cognitive test, here's what Kareem Jean-Pierre said, Sat4.

00:50:01.140 Did the president take a mental fitness or a cognitive test during his physical this morning?

00:50:05.820 You know, the president doesn't need a cognitive test.

00:50:08.160 That is not my assessment.

00:50:09.480 That is the assessment of the president's doctor.

00:50:12.440 That is also the assessment of the neurologist, who has also made that assessment as well.

00:50:17.500 I'll reiterate this.

00:50:18.820 The president's doctor has said, if you look at what this president, he passes a cognitive test every day.

00:50:25.240 Every day.

00:50:25.840 As he moves from one topic to another topic, understanding the granular level of these topics.

00:50:34.180 Wow.

00:50:34.840 He changes topics.

00:50:35.900 He changes topics.

00:50:37.280 This guy.

00:50:38.000 He changes quotes, even as he's trying to read them.

00:50:40.380 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:50:41.800 The type that is staff circled by Abe Lincoln, yeah.

00:50:44.580 It doesn't cost anything to take a cognitive test.

00:50:47.940 Just prove it.

00:50:48.580 Yeah.

00:50:48.840 Then why not?

00:50:49.440 It's fine.

00:50:49.760 Do it.

00:50:50.100 He's doing all the other stuff.

00:50:51.160 Well, he says he doesn't need one.

00:50:53.140 Can't you tell, like, when you watch her, you can tell she's nervous, right?

00:50:55.680 Like, she gets all, like, shaky.

00:50:58.100 The eyelids with all the sparkly shadows start to flutter a little bit more.

00:51:01.920 Like, she's like, oh, shit, we're on my weakest issue.

00:51:04.900 The president talking.

00:51:06.340 The president.

00:51:08.140 Talking about the president.

00:51:09.360 Well, then the press corps, to its credit, because, you know, even the Democrats are

00:51:12.660 not sure they want Biden now, so they're a little bit aggressive on the health now.

00:51:16.600 Nothing like what they should be.

00:51:17.780 But, you know, it's rare to see a little aggression by them.

00:51:19.840 They're like, give us access to the doctor.

00:51:21.840 Put him out here, which is not unheard of.

00:51:23.860 And here's how she handled that.

00:51:25.960 Why is the president or your office not willing to make Dr. O'Connor available to us?

00:51:34.400 Why not?

00:51:34.940 So a couple of things, Andrew.

00:51:35.920 And the president said that they thought he was too young.

00:51:37.840 So, you know, you will certainly make this robust, comprehensive memo, as we have done

00:51:43.120 the last two years, available to all of you.

00:51:45.580 The doctor coming to the briefing room, it is not a norm.

00:51:50.060 We're trying to get back to the norm.

00:51:53.020 I'll bet.

00:51:54.020 Hmm.

00:51:54.500 I want Trump's doctor out there, man.

00:51:56.640 I love him.

00:51:57.820 Just rocking that haircut.

00:51:59.580 Perfect.

00:52:00.480 Dr. Vinny Boombats or whatever his name is.

00:52:02.280 This is like, it's easy to laugh at, but it really is infuriating.

00:52:04.820 He needs a cognitive test.

00:52:06.920 It's only the United States of America.

00:52:09.120 It's the most important country in the world.

00:52:11.580 We deserve to know whether this guy can pass a cognitive test.

00:52:14.380 It's pretty basic.

00:52:15.540 We're so forgiving.

00:52:16.500 We allow the 81-year-old man with all these problems to stay in the office, at least right

00:52:20.040 now.

00:52:20.280 Nobody's 25th Amendment did him.

00:52:22.780 I verbed it.

00:52:24.680 The least he can do is actually have a professional tell us whether he's okay upstairs.

00:52:28.460 Do you want to know why they don't take the test besides the obvious one, which is that

00:52:32.520 it'd be embarrassing, but it's specifically embarrassing.

00:52:34.600 I sat with my father taking the neurological exam, doing the five words thing, and it was

00:52:39.880 eye-opening.

00:52:40.400 I've watched my father's sort of memory and especially short-term memory and various things

00:52:47.180 decline over the past five years.

00:52:49.360 And I'm not talking out of school, and he's a sweet man.

00:52:52.760 Just turned 85.

00:52:53.800 So he is, you know, he's younger than Biden will be if he wins re-election and serves

00:52:59.960 it out to term.

00:53:01.320 And they ask you a bunch of questions, including like, what year is it, right?

00:53:07.820 Imagine getting that question wrong.

00:53:10.180 My father happened to say, it's April 1982.

00:53:14.280 Recently.

00:53:15.020 This is recently.

00:53:15.760 Okay.

00:53:15.940 And that's eye-opening because when you're hanging out with your dad and like talking about

00:53:19.980 the angels or whatever, you don't necessarily get that level of, oh, gosh, that's a big

00:53:25.560 one.

00:53:26.140 Like 1982 is a lot different than 2024 or 2023 in that case.

00:53:31.040 There would be something like that.

00:53:32.700 I mean, look at the report that came out that they were really pissed off about the decision

00:53:38.640 not to prosecute Biden.

00:53:41.020 Go into the granular details of why and what were the ways that he was bringing up his son's

00:53:46.740 death and getting the facts and years and times wrong.

00:53:49.580 And we've seen him do this for a long time.

00:53:51.320 Constantly.

00:53:51.600 The cognitive test will absolutely isolate that.

00:53:55.120 And there will be a specific question about a date or a time or a place.

00:53:59.260 And in theory, and I would suspect it probably would happen, he will give a crazy wrong answer.

00:54:05.300 And that will show people immediately like game's over.

00:54:08.600 It'll be the end of his presidency.

00:54:09.840 They'll never do it.

00:54:10.320 And, you know, it's funny.

00:54:11.120 You said that about Beau Biden.

00:54:13.800 And it's really interesting because the number of times he said that he died in Iraq and people

00:54:18.100 have said, well, you know, burn pits and maybe like a like a second order death or something.

00:54:22.660 And he never says that.

00:54:23.420 He says he died in Iraq.

00:54:24.400 And why would you ever say something like that when it's so transparently not true?

00:54:29.740 You're the president.

00:54:30.780 There's a press corps out there to fact check you and it's easily checkable.

00:54:33.880 I mean, everyone knows that this is wrong.

00:54:35.500 And it gets checked.

00:54:36.280 And it gets checked.

00:54:37.280 You do that because you don't maybe don't know.

00:54:39.760 Maybe that is how you've internalized it.

00:54:42.260 Maybe that's what it's become in your brain.

00:54:44.240 And look, if you're out there in front of the assembled press, as Karine Jean-Pierre is

00:54:51.320 in this clip, and someone's asking about something, as you're supposed to do as a journalist, what

00:54:56.660 is going on with, you know, what is America doing with Julian Assange?

00:55:00.960 Is he going to be extradited, et cetera?

00:55:03.000 They're going to give you the runaround and they're supposed to give you the runaround.

00:55:05.860 These are secrets.

00:55:06.740 These are things we haven't decided, et cetera.

00:55:08.260 But as a democratic nation, and you have in an almost North Korean way, a woman putting

00:55:15.180 herself between the press, the free press in America and the president, whether or not

00:55:20.320 he is cognitively capable of doing the job should be offensive to every American.

00:55:24.820 It should be offensive to every single American.

00:55:26.840 It's not a partisan thing.

00:55:28.080 I feel bad for the guy.

00:55:29.160 I truly do.

00:55:30.000 I don't I feel bad seeing an old guy who seems like he's confused.

00:55:33.280 And more than anything, I am offended by all the people that are plumping for him and

00:55:37.240 saying everything's fine.

00:55:37.960 He's faster than me.

00:55:39.020 I feel bad for us.

00:55:40.160 No, I didn't feel bad for us.

00:55:41.120 I'm done feeling bad for him.

00:55:41.960 I feel bad for us.

00:55:43.020 Yeah.

00:55:43.300 He and I am angry at Dr. Jill, too.

00:55:46.620 I would never let this happen to my husband.

00:55:48.040 And my husband would never let this happen to me.

00:55:49.740 If I start to lose it on the show, eventually Doug would give me the tap on the shoulder

00:55:52.640 and say, honey, Provence it is.

00:55:54.600 Let's go.

00:55:55.300 Start.

00:55:55.840 Yeah.

00:55:56.300 Stars are corner rated air quotes.

00:55:58.020 He's been doing so many taps recently.

00:55:59.720 He's like, we got to go.

00:56:00.940 Cut this off.

00:56:01.900 This is absurd for her to allow this.

00:56:03.940 I mean, this really feels cruel.

00:56:05.960 But if it's mostly cruel to us because we actually have a lot of important things that

00:56:09.400 Americans need help with or need the government to get out of, we need somebody sane to run

00:56:13.860 the country.

00:56:14.440 And we're not looking at it right now.

00:56:16.260 However, he's apparently a very strong man.

00:56:19.120 Just ask Howard Dean.

00:56:20.440 Watch.

00:56:20.700 Haley's hope has to be that she can present herself well as an alternative to Trump so

00:56:26.420 that the convention can accept her should either Trump have a health problem, which

00:56:31.160 he's certainly just as likely as a Biden to have, if not more.

00:56:34.840 I mean, he's I bet I'll bet you anything that Joe Biden could beat the daylights out of Trump

00:56:38.880 in a in a push up contest, for example.

00:56:41.980 And Trump knows it, too.

00:56:43.560 Although if it was a cheeseburger eating contest, it might turn out differently.

00:56:47.380 He's looking pretty good.

00:56:48.460 Howard.

00:56:49.140 Howard, you should.

00:56:50.080 Should we play that?

00:56:51.040 Should we play that clip?

00:56:52.480 I don't even know what to say.

00:56:53.300 The Howard clip.

00:56:54.380 Like, we need to see it again.

00:56:55.500 The screen.

00:56:55.980 The screen.

00:56:56.200 Yeah, the screen.

00:56:56.780 The screen.

00:56:57.260 We kind of need to see it, don't we?

00:56:58.460 Let's see it.

00:56:58.820 That was a more innocent time.

00:56:59.760 Yeah.

00:57:00.300 Do we have the screen clip?

00:57:01.380 Of course.

00:57:01.720 We're going to Washington, D.C. and Washington, and Michigan.

00:57:04.980 And then we're going to Washington, D.C. to take back the White House.

00:57:08.520 Yeah!

00:57:09.540 Yeah!

00:57:09.860 Can you believe that ended a presidential career?

00:57:15.400 Yes, I can.

00:57:16.240 And yet, yes.

00:57:17.440 That was the worst scream I've ever heard.

00:57:19.660 It went up like nine octaves, too.

00:57:21.800 It's disqualifying.

00:57:22.600 I mean, do you remember when, like, making up stuff about your family and your personal academic career serially and plagiarizing another politician's life story was enough to end a presidential campaign?

00:57:34.740 I remember that, too.

00:57:35.300 Those are good times.

00:57:36.060 That's right.

00:57:36.880 Again, the American self-degradation just keeps going.

00:57:41.140 The two people that we're choosing from have degraded themselves so badly so many times over the years.

00:57:46.920 I mean, that's why Dr. Jill is allowing this to happen, presumably, because she has told herself, like so many Democrats have told themselves, okay, sure, he might be in very obvious cognitive decline.

00:57:58.440 And we're, like, trying to teach him how to walk so he doesn't trip every time.

00:58:02.460 But, you know, he's the only one who can beat Trump, so we've got to keep him out there.

00:58:05.900 It's, you know, our sense of what the country needs and needs to protect itself from means that he has to be publicly humiliated because we don't have another choice.

00:58:14.300 That's how people justify it.

00:58:15.520 And the people voting for Trump against Biden or against Democrats are kind of doing the same thing.

00:58:19.220 Like, yeah, sure, he's done all of these things.

00:58:22.260 And he keeps doing them, and he will keep doing them.

00:58:24.720 But that's still better than, you know, the elite, you know, swamp out there.

00:58:29.780 So don't you think the game with Biden is just, they just, these Democrats are like, we just have to get to November 6th.

00:58:34.740 That's it.

00:58:35.260 Well, technically, January 21st.

00:58:36.920 We just have to get there.

00:58:38.120 And then as soon as he's in, like, we don't love Kamala, but at least we'll have a Democrat as president who we control.

00:58:43.340 Like, we just get him over the finish line.

00:58:45.800 He doesn't have to make it another four years.

00:58:48.040 He just have to make it past inauguration so that we deny it to the evil orange man.

00:58:53.020 It's not so long ago that Joe Biden and his team were making the formal decision to run for office again.

00:58:58.840 And at that time, we all had pretty much the same body of evidence with respect to his obvious cognitive decline that we do now.

00:59:05.840 And they made the choice to push forward.

00:59:08.860 And it's hard for me to believe that Biden was, like, meaningfully involved in that and making a conscious decision just because he doesn't really seem capable of it most of the time.

00:59:17.700 There are moments in there where it seems like he's just slept well enough and is just medicated enough to actually perform in a moment.

00:59:24.600 But it is a constant, steady diet of these clips of the man just seem completely out of his depth in various contexts.

00:59:31.700 And everyone was aware of it.

00:59:33.080 And I would have expected folks like AOC from The Squad, for example, to draw a line in the sand early on and say, we need someone else to run here.

00:59:41.480 But they chose politics and the party.

00:59:43.560 Well, in a way, it shows you their power in the media versus their actual power within the Democratic Party, which is a lot smaller than they would like it to be.

00:59:51.280 But, you know, with Biden, I mean, it's funny that we talked about this the other day.

00:59:56.640 The argument is essentially the argument that Democrats made about John Fetterman.

01:00:00.860 Yeah.

01:00:01.200 It was like there was somebody, and it might have been on MSNB, but somebody significant said, you know, the senator is not doing it anyway.

01:00:08.300 It's his staff.

01:00:09.160 Yeah.

01:00:09.320 It was literally an argument that was made.

01:00:10.600 It's his staff.

01:00:11.780 Don't worry.

01:00:12.220 It can be anyone.

01:00:13.700 We can put like a paper doll up there, provided the people behind him are good.

01:00:18.140 And that is essentially the argument now.

01:00:19.800 And that's the one that they're running with.

01:00:21.120 It's no longer plausible.

01:00:23.000 Like when you see Mike Barnacle.

01:00:24.540 It's like we're all out of humans in the United States.

01:00:28.880 It's just outside.

01:00:30.140 There's so many.

01:00:31.320 And they're all better than the two options we have now.

01:00:34.420 Literally all of them.

01:00:35.400 What did Mike Barnacle do?

01:00:36.880 Well, no, he said the other day.

01:00:38.160 MSNBC guy.

01:00:38.760 What you do all the time is when somebody is so clearly not in the right sort of mental shape is that you go so hard in the other direction.

01:00:48.280 So Mike Barnacle is on the other.

01:00:49.260 He says he, a 45-year-old, could not do what he does.

01:00:53.240 Yeah.

01:00:53.560 You should see all these.

01:00:54.140 And that is experience.

01:00:54.880 And you see this constantly on TV.

01:00:57.440 These people.

01:00:58.240 And again.

01:00:58.840 Cree jump here.

01:00:59.320 She says, I can't keep up with him.

01:01:00.580 I can't keep up with him.

01:01:01.240 In all these meetings that we are not running cameras on.

01:01:04.580 Yeah.

01:01:04.840 Yeah.

01:01:04.980 Right.

01:01:05.440 Never seen any of them.

01:01:06.180 Well, did you see the leak last week about his sex life?

01:01:08.900 No.

01:01:09.340 Yeah.

01:01:09.760 I saw that.

01:01:10.220 No, no.

01:01:10.580 I don't know if I want to.

01:01:11.660 Yes.

01:01:12.220 Yeah.

01:01:12.580 We talked about it last week.

01:01:14.820 There's a new book out that documents how he says they have sex all the time.

01:01:20.360 These are lies.

01:01:21.280 These are lies.

01:01:22.880 These are obvious lies.

01:01:23.720 Camille, but he thinks it's true.

01:01:24.920 It's fine.

01:01:26.320 It doesn't matter.

01:01:27.220 These are lies.

01:01:27.940 Was this with his girlfriend in Alaska or in the actual life?

01:01:30.960 Canada.

01:01:31.700 Canada.

01:01:33.580 Yes.

01:01:34.040 Wow.

01:01:34.500 There's no accident that this drops now and that he somehow gave this information to

01:01:38.440 this reporter.

01:01:38.940 I guess he's trying to make himself look more robust, right?

01:01:41.540 Getting some.

01:01:42.540 That's going to change a few minds.

01:01:43.900 Yeah.

01:01:44.300 Don't vote for him.

01:01:45.240 One thing about the Dr. Jones, what Camille was saying before, that strikes me.

01:01:48.440 Um, uh, I'm sure Biden wants to run for president, just like I'm sure my dad would have loved

01:01:53.940 to keep driving.

01:01:54.900 Yeah.

01:01:55.440 The old ones want to keep driving.

01:01:56.640 They should not drive.

01:01:57.980 They shouldn't.

01:01:58.640 It's bad.

01:01:58.960 That's exactly right.

01:01:59.600 My mom too.

01:02:00.280 My mom literally drove her car inside of a building.

01:02:02.500 She's like, I'm fine.

01:02:03.440 I just, everyone's, I'm like, did the other people live?

01:02:06.160 Yeah.

01:02:06.900 That building wasn't there 20 years ago.

01:02:09.940 But I'm telling you, my mom, she's got word search.

01:02:12.500 Sometimes she can't remember the word, but she's in so much better shape than Joe Biden.

01:02:15.660 And like, it's terrifying to me that we're about to do this.

01:02:19.120 Like, I don't think he's going to win.

01:02:20.480 I don't like you've, have you seen the last round of swing state polls that just came out?

01:02:23.520 It's disastrous for him.

01:02:24.580 Like he hasn't been ahead in the swing state polling.

01:02:26.720 Like when you look at the six to eight of them, um, in months since November, at least,

01:02:31.800 I mean, at the, at the most recent, Trump's got all the momentum right now.

01:02:35.720 I mean, you, if you, if you had a million dollars and you had to bet it on one, who would

01:02:39.240 you bet it on?

01:02:39.640 I mean, it's an easy choice and that's why the pod save America people, uh, a podcast

01:02:44.020 I don't really understand, but it's the, the Obama folks are now saying the exact same

01:02:48.440 thing.

01:02:48.680 Like we need to maybe call an audible here.

01:02:51.060 Cause they do, I don't know, but there is, there should be some contingency in order that

01:02:58.300 you're going to lose this election.

01:03:00.020 Yeah.

01:03:00.180 They're going to lose.

01:03:00.640 You think that the op, that if he loses and the Democrats lose on the other side of that

01:03:06.280 is the end or the failure of democracy.

01:03:08.380 If you actually believe that, which I don't think they actually believe, which is why they

01:03:12.120 run and fund MAGA candidates against our friend, Peter Meyer and in Michigan, et cetera, these

01:03:17.100 people hate you're, you're funding them.

01:03:18.860 Why are you doing this?

01:03:19.840 And this is the same thing here.

01:03:20.980 If you actually believe that you would be making a very aggressive rear guard action right

01:03:25.700 now to get rid of him.

01:03:26.500 However, that happens.

01:03:27.340 I don't know.

01:03:28.220 Somebody could figure it out.

01:03:29.380 I'm sure.

01:03:29.960 I still, I think I would bet that Biden would win if I had a million and I had to be forced

01:03:34.440 to bet.

01:03:35.180 I don't have any confidence in that because there's a consistent weird thing in the polls

01:03:40.420 where the people who are otherwise being polled on the presidency, high levels of independence

01:03:45.920 and Democrats, especially, but also some Republicans don't believe that Trump is going to be the

01:03:49.820 nominee.

01:03:50.480 They still believe in the Chris Hayes fantasy that one of these things is going to wipe him

01:03:54.420 out.

01:03:54.760 They haven't processed the news when they process the news that might look different.

01:03:59.440 And also the exit polls, South Carolina was consistent on this, but the other ones before

01:04:03.540 among Republicans, not just voters in the primary, but self-identified Republican voters

01:04:07.920 in the primary.

01:04:08.840 There has been a consistently high, at least the way they're talking to pollsters right

01:04:12.980 now, like, I'm not going to vote for Trump.

01:04:15.480 You know, people who vote in the elections, granted, you know, they're in the process of

01:04:19.160 voting for Nikki Haley.

01:04:20.640 They have, let's say, different interpretations of January 6th than Trump voters tend to have.

01:04:24.740 But there is a never Trump, a measurable never Trump contingent among the Republican

01:04:29.520 electorate, which says to me that there is, I don't, I think the ceiling of Trump is 46%.

01:04:36.160 That's what he got both times.

01:04:36.980 Wait a minute, but 90% of the party came home in 2016.

01:04:40.300 He was more hated.

01:04:42.320 Yes and no.

01:04:43.920 I mean, I agree with you.

01:04:44.980 And also his approval ratings within the party has always been around 90%.

01:04:48.640 I haven't looked at that recently.

01:04:50.640 But I think that there are, especially with the trials going on, I think that there is

01:04:56.180 a larger never Trump rump among the Republican Party.

01:04:59.920 I don't think so.

01:05:00.700 And what about RFK, Jay?

01:05:01.900 He's going to clear the vote.

01:05:02.680 So that's the thing.

01:05:03.520 That's another thing.

01:05:04.520 But he, RFK, I think has, it's unclear how he affects the race.

01:05:11.040 I think when you put a five-way poll, which is actually going to look more like what the

01:05:14.540 actual ballots look like, right?

01:05:16.280 Jill Stein's going to run for the Green Party nomination.

01:05:18.740 They're going to be on 35 ballots, probably something around there.

01:05:21.760 Libertarians will be on 40-something.

01:05:23.880 RFK will be running.

01:05:25.000 Cornel West might get some too.

01:05:27.640 And when you put all of them in there, they do take from Biden.

01:05:30.360 But a lot of that, I think right now, is specifically Stein and West.

01:05:34.840 They love self-immolation, by the way.

01:05:36.900 They love it.

01:05:38.260 Yeah, they cheered that guy right on.

01:05:40.020 You go.

01:05:40.420 You burn.

01:05:40.940 Burn, baby, burn.

01:05:42.360 Cornel West in particular, actually.

01:05:43.740 Yeah, it was absolutely disgusting.

01:05:45.180 But no, when you just put RFK, Jay, in the mix, he takes from Biden.

01:05:49.920 He takes from both.

01:05:50.720 He takes from both.

01:05:51.340 But he hurts.

01:05:52.060 I just looked at this on a group of swing state polls where it was Trump, Biden, head

01:05:56.380 to head.

01:05:57.400 Trump was winning in all of them.

01:05:58.440 Then they factored in only RFK, Jay, and it was a bigger margin of victory for Trump.

01:06:03.800 Right.

01:06:04.600 But that's not what the ballots are going to look like.

01:06:06.780 So, like, if you look at the – I think that the people who are saying that they vote

01:06:12.300 for RFK, Jay, are actually going to vote for one of the left-wing candidates to his left

01:06:17.560 if they have the option to, because they're pissed off about Israel, because they're pissed

01:06:22.060 off about whatever.

01:06:22.780 So, some of that is him and some of that is not him.

01:06:26.060 I think in isolation, he would give – he would take more from Biden, yes, but only a

01:06:31.960 little more.

01:06:32.340 I think there is a contingent among his crowd who, you know, they think that Trump sold

01:06:37.280 out to Pfizer.

01:06:38.360 You know, he's got some, like, serious anti-vax people also.

01:06:41.180 No more so than Biden.

01:06:42.480 People who want to break stuff against the wall, right?

01:06:45.140 He's got that kind of energy attraction and some of that we'll take from Trump voters.

01:06:51.180 Let me ask you this.

01:06:51.920 So, I don't know.

01:06:52.880 Like, RFKJ is going to be interesting, and he's gotten the ballot on, I think, two of

01:06:56.860 the swing states so far.

01:06:58.100 So, we'll see how many more.

01:06:59.600 He's not a lock for all these ballots.

01:07:02.680 And, you know, we'll see.

01:07:04.860 I don't know who's going to be on the ballot.

01:07:05.800 It's one of the weird things.

01:07:06.640 Like, we're not sure how many of those five are actually going to make the ballots.

01:07:09.900 But I do think that the Democrats have a better get-out-the-vote machine, by far.

01:07:14.320 And you heard Trump just the other day with Laura Ingraham in that town hall on Fox News

01:07:18.940 saying, don't mail-in ballot.

01:07:21.700 He's insane.

01:07:23.280 Camille, you tell me how the Republicans are supposed to win an election without doing

01:07:26.000 mail-in ballots, given the change.

01:07:27.780 I know they don't like the change, but the change has happened.

01:07:30.760 And this is how the Democrats have been winning.

01:07:33.100 Yeah.

01:07:33.320 20, 22 special elections, and now we're rolling into 2024.

01:07:36.900 And you've got the party leader saying, don't do it.

01:07:39.720 Yeah.

01:07:40.280 I mean, I formally have bowed out of making any sort of election predictions since Donald

01:07:44.720 Trump won the nomination.

01:07:45.740 I don't know what's going on.

01:07:48.360 I don't know what's likely to happen.

01:07:49.980 I will say that the RNC has been a complete shambles.

01:07:54.580 And Donald Trump's recent decision to help put one of his family members in a position

01:07:59.720 of leadership there, I don't think that's necessarily going to help.

01:08:02.560 It'll certainly mean that they're all playing the same game and singing from the same sheet

01:08:05.840 music, but whether or not operationally they'll be in a better position than the Democrats

01:08:10.020 is not quite clear.

01:08:11.320 This does seem like it's going to be another contempt election more than it is enthusiasm

01:08:14.920 for Joe Biden.

01:08:16.220 And in some respects, even enthusiasm for Trump.

01:08:18.420 I mean, if I have to look at whether or not enthusiasm for Trump or contempt for Trump

01:08:22.900 is likely to play a bigger role in the next election, it's hard for me to know which

01:08:27.460 way that breaks.

01:08:28.160 And it certainly seems like the contempt is really there and could be an animating factor

01:08:32.920 that gets people to come out to the polls in a way that maybe another four years of

01:08:38.380 Donald Trump aren't as interesting to someone who's MAGA inclined, but not particularly

01:08:43.180 excited about the choice between these two particular men.

01:08:46.300 If he stays quiet, if he stays quiet over the next year.

01:08:49.800 But let me bring it into what happened in Michigan.

01:08:52.600 So let's see, Trump won Michigan in the primary 68%.

01:08:58.280 Haley got 26.6%, uncommitted 3%.

01:09:02.140 Biden won 81%, uncommitted got 13.2%, which is 101,000 votes.

01:09:09.920 He got 623,000 votes.

01:09:13.400 And I've heard about 10,000 discussions.

01:09:15.620 I got to be honest, none of which I find particularly interesting because it's just so early.

01:09:19.200 I don't know about what this means.

01:09:21.020 You know, like Nikki Haley got 26%.

01:09:23.560 There's that 300,000 in Michigan who didn't want Trump.

01:09:25.880 Does it mean that they won't turn out for Trump?

01:09:27.260 Trump only won Michigan by 11,000.

01:09:29.340 Anything that happens.

01:09:30.060 And then on the Biden, like that uncommitted 13% of the vote, it's angry leftists who don't

01:09:34.620 like the Israel policy.

01:09:35.440 Should he change the Israel policy?

01:09:36.920 Whatever.

01:09:38.100 Can we glean anything out of Michigan?

01:09:39.480 Did you guys see anything of interest to you?

01:09:40.740 They're also angry conservatives.

01:09:41.980 They're angry Muslim conservatives in Dearborn.

01:09:44.820 They're not leftists in any way.

01:09:46.360 They're single issue voters on this.

01:09:48.420 I don't think it's as significant as people thought it was going to be.

01:09:50.620 Yeah, it's a lot of people.

01:09:52.680 But I mean, this is the thing that people are using this, and you see this a lot in

01:09:57.020 the media, on the left to try to move the administration.

01:10:01.240 You understand you're going to lose the election.

01:10:03.060 There's not a lot of evidence of this.

01:10:04.200 You lose the election unless you force Israel to do X or Y, which obviously also presumes

01:10:09.740 that Israel doesn't make its own decisions that America does.

01:10:12.620 There's something almost anti-Semitic about it.

01:10:14.540 Like there's this Jewish conspiracy in America that controls the Jews over there.

01:10:17.620 But the thing about the Haley stuff is take Haley out of it.

01:10:22.920 She is like, Haley is irrelevant.

01:10:25.560 She is an irrelevance.

01:10:27.100 But I'll say this.

01:10:28.580 When we talk so frequently, less so now, but we used to talk frequently about the split

01:10:33.660 in the Democratic Party amongst progressives.

01:10:35.840 The squad was important.

01:10:37.100 They were punching above their weight.

01:10:38.660 Younger generations, more progressive, et cetera.

01:10:40.720 The conservative and the Republican version of that is those 300,000 votes.

01:10:45.480 I don't see them as Haley votes.

01:10:47.100 I see them as conservatives of the old school votes.

01:10:50.640 And there are a lot of those people.

01:10:52.200 We still love that party.

01:10:53.400 They want the Reagan party.

01:10:55.680 And that's not the Trump party.

01:10:57.720 A lot of them will hold their nose and vote for Trump.

01:10:59.840 A lot of them won't vote.

01:11:01.540 Some maybe even vote for RFK.

01:11:03.240 And there's a contingent of people who will vote for RFK, by the way, because they are deeply

01:11:06.880 low information voters.

01:11:08.440 They don't know anything about him other than like there's a Kennedy on the ticket.

01:11:11.940 I object.

01:11:12.820 We have our ongoing battle over him.

01:11:14.820 What?

01:11:15.520 He's misunderstood.

01:11:16.740 No, I think that people will vote for a Kennedy.

01:11:19.900 There's a certain amount of people who vote for a Kennedy.

01:11:22.140 But I think most of the RFK, I think most of his fans like the fact that he's, yes, he's,

01:11:27.660 I mean, he doesn't like anti-vax, but that he definitely called BS on some of the lies

01:11:31.560 that we were told about COVID vaccines very early on, that he's taken on the medical industrial

01:11:35.840 complex, that he's taken on the intelligence and military industrial complex.

01:11:40.120 He's extremely smart and well-studied.

01:11:42.120 I mean, like he's got 10,000 statistics on any subject for you.

01:11:46.260 And he seems, I think, to a lot of people like a truth teller.

01:11:49.160 I know you think that's just an act, but he can talk about any issue in a way that neither

01:11:55.140 Trump nor Biden can do.

01:11:56.660 Nevermind Cornel West and Jill Stein.

01:11:58.720 No, he projects a kind of competence.

01:12:01.140 And whether or not you agree with his perspective on vaccines, he will certainly level an argument

01:12:05.400 and do it in a way that sounds very sophisticated and is rich with data that one will probably

01:12:11.100 ignore and just say, yeah, no, he said it.

01:12:12.740 There is a number in there and it must be true.

01:12:15.720 How many Americans will that persuade?

01:12:18.200 Probably a meaningful amount.

01:12:20.420 Enough to shake things up in a meaningful way.

01:12:21.940 He's not going to win, but he's a player.

01:12:23.100 I think to Michael's point, you know, if you look at all of the polling of favorability

01:12:28.580 ratings, he's dominating the field by a lot.

01:12:32.820 And I believe that he's dominating the field because his name is Robert F. Kennedy.

01:12:37.780 I don't think that he's dominating the field because people like, well, yeah, I really agree

01:12:42.200 with what he said about, you know, the vote in Ohio in 2004.

01:12:46.180 Have you looked to see whether he has mostly older support or younger support?

01:12:49.120 I don't have a breakdown.

01:12:49.880 Only the older people would be like the Kennedys, like the younger people.

01:12:53.760 And I think the younger people too, but there's also a lot of the instinct because so much

01:12:57.880 of voting is just the feeling, right?

01:12:59.700 It's the feeling you have about somebody.

01:13:01.600 And there's so much of it that captures what Trump captured in 2016.

01:13:06.500 He doesn't give a shit.

01:13:07.980 He says middle finger to all the institutions.

01:13:10.020 He'll take on all of them because he's a billionaire.

01:13:12.560 This was the argument.

01:13:13.380 A lot of people made this way, but like he doesn't care.

01:13:14.980 He doesn't need them.

01:13:15.920 He doesn't need the money from all these big corporations.

01:13:19.120 The version of that with Bobby Kennedy, as you pointed out, is like, he takes on, you

01:13:23.920 know, the medical industrial complex, Pfizer, the vax makers, everybody under the sun, the

01:13:29.180 media, and he's gone hard and he just doesn't give a shit because he's a Kennedy.

01:13:33.720 He has the money.

01:13:34.840 He has, he's married to the woman from Curb Your Enthusiasm.

01:13:37.480 He's got a pretty good life and he's doing this in a selfless way.

01:13:40.700 He doesn't need this.

01:13:41.440 Well, that's true.

01:13:42.460 I don't know how wealthy he is.

01:13:44.000 I really don't know how wealthy he is.

01:13:45.200 But, but I do think he's truly committed to these causes.

01:13:48.820 Like that's the reason it was what, two years ago, he, he couldn't get on any, any TV show,

01:13:54.440 any podcast, you know, we put them on and we did an in-depth challenge of all of his

01:13:58.540 assertions on the vaccine and all this stuff.

01:14:00.120 It was a very interesting deep dive for me because we have no dog in that hunt.

01:14:03.880 It was like, is he liar?

01:14:05.300 Is he, is he full of shit on everything?

01:14:06.920 And sure, there were some things when we kicked the tires, the tires fell off, but I'm telling

01:14:10.700 you on most of the things, the tire stayed on and I was like, oh, I'm learning a lot.

01:14:14.420 I didn't go full conspiratorial on everything that he says.

01:14:17.480 I know that's the knock on him, but the man actually has some real science to back it up.

01:14:21.720 And then we called his critics in the medical community, his critics.

01:14:25.440 And we said, give us all the ammo.

01:14:26.820 And we double checked those sources.

01:14:28.300 And anyway, the net net of it was he is not as full of shit on this stuff as his critics

01:14:32.820 believe.

01:14:33.240 That was my independent takeaway.

01:14:34.520 I'm hearing a Megyn Kelly veep slot.

01:14:37.740 It's an endorsement, too.

01:14:39.260 She's endorsed them.

01:14:40.500 Okay.

01:14:41.620 Back to Michigan.

01:14:42.940 That brings me to your friends, your friends on The View.

01:14:45.320 They had a testy argument over what happened on the uncommitted, mad about the uncommitted

01:14:50.180 votes, or at least some of them are.

01:14:51.980 Why aren't they getting behind Joe Biden?

01:14:54.000 Why are these hundred thousand defecting?

01:14:55.640 Let's watch.

01:14:57.240 You're in danger of seeming like a one issue voter.

01:15:01.740 To have a non-committed vote for me is hard, because I know how hard people fought to get

01:15:10.540 the right to have their voices heard.

01:15:12.880 There are 300,000 of the Arab population in Michigan.

01:15:19.480 And Trump carried Michigan in 2016 by about 11,000 votes.

01:15:24.520 They are telling you this issue matters.

01:15:27.880 Hear us.

01:15:28.600 The suffering in Gaza is first and foremost due to Hamas.

01:15:33.320 But there is suffering.

01:15:34.380 There is suffering.

01:15:35.160 But my point here is Biden heard everyone.

01:15:37.300 He gets it.

01:15:38.120 The thing he's doing is not reverse electing himself by saying, what do you want?

01:15:42.360 I'm going to go do that.

01:15:43.160 Some of it is, I know what's right here, and I'm going to stand true to that, even in an

01:15:46.660 election year.

01:15:47.380 If he does not get Michigan because of this, then those protesters will get Trump.

01:15:52.440 There are women that vote single issue.

01:15:56.960 There are evangelicals that vote single issue.

01:15:59.100 And we quench at that every time.

01:16:00.540 There are African-Americans that vote single issue.

01:16:02.440 So this is no different.

01:16:05.020 Okay.

01:16:06.200 So.

01:16:07.000 That was actually good and good.

01:16:08.080 So it wasn't bad.

01:16:09.280 Then they had the Sarah Haynes trying to do the more conservative take on it.

01:16:12.220 But you tell me whether it's a wise move for Joe Biden to change his Israel policy because

01:16:17.220 of what happened in Michigan.

01:16:19.940 That is the most significant part of this.

01:16:21.920 It's not like the hard binger, what's going to happen in the election?

01:16:24.280 How important are these votes?

01:16:25.780 What matters is the way that the Biden administration, I think it has been even before the vote and

01:16:30.360 now afterwards, is internalizing that.

01:16:32.920 They are worried stiff about young voters.

01:16:36.180 If you look at a public opinion polls, attitudes towards Israel and Gaza and Mideast policy,

01:16:42.500 it is the 18 to 29 year olds are here and the entire rest of the country is over here

01:16:47.000 in an opposite place.

01:16:49.020 There's like something like a half of that young electorate thinks like a fundamental problem

01:16:54.980 is that Israel exists.

01:16:56.000 I'm not, that's not an exaggeration.

01:16:57.460 It's weird.

01:16:57.980 It's like so strong.

01:16:59.000 They primarily identify with the Palestinians as opposed to Israelis.

01:17:02.440 Americans are not like that.

01:17:03.340 The rest of them, us who are not 18 to 29, don't tend to think that way.

01:17:08.240 So because the youth vote has been so, since Obama, such reliable turnout for Democrats and

01:17:13.880 so overwhelmingly Democratic, which it really wasn't until Biden, not Biden, Obama.

01:17:18.940 I'm doing a Trump here.

01:17:21.080 That's normal.

01:17:22.400 So forget a name here or there is human.

01:17:24.520 What's happening with our president is not.

01:17:26.400 Anyway, keep going.

01:17:26.860 So you can see the sort of flop sweat among the Biden administration in dealing with Israel

01:17:32.460 policy right now.

01:17:33.400 Like they really want to sped up timetable.

01:17:35.600 Why?

01:17:36.140 What's happening soon that you're really worried about?

01:17:38.320 Is it the length of the war and the humanitarian crisis?

01:17:43.040 Yes, it is that.

01:17:43.740 But there's also other things.

01:17:44.720 There's an election and you are, you can hear you worrying about that.

01:17:48.280 Right now, the administration is being very insistent with Netanyahu.

01:17:52.180 Like we have to have a vision, a post-war vision of a two-state solution.

01:17:58.360 That is American politics.

01:18:00.260 That is not the reality on the ground in Israel, including among Palestinians and Gaza or the

01:18:05.940 West Bank.

01:18:07.600 There isn't dead.

01:18:09.020 The two-state solution, there isn't.

01:18:10.300 I mean, the people who are the most in favor of the two-state solution in Israel will say

01:18:15.260 that it's dead and they don't want a two-state solution right now.

01:18:17.720 What Israelis want right now is to get the hostages back primarily, but also after they

01:18:22.860 get the hostages back is to never feel that sense of insecurity ever again.

01:18:27.420 And how the state is formed as part of that question, okay, we'll get to that.

01:18:32.300 But they don't have the sense of getting to that.

01:18:33.860 The Biden administration, like in fairness, most American administrations of the past 30,

01:18:38.980 40 years, they just have two-state solution printed on their brain plate and they're pushing

01:18:45.120 it.

01:18:45.300 I think one of the reasons why Biden is pushing it is he's worried about Michigan, he's worried

01:18:48.900 about young voters, and he's worried about Arab Americans.

01:18:51.180 Well, the odds of these people voting Trump are slim, but the odds of them staying home

01:18:56.900 are real.

01:18:57.800 By the way, just today, just today on my phone, I got one of those news alerts from ABC News

01:19:02.180 saying 30,000 dead in Gaza per the Gaza Interior Minister, Ministry of Health.

01:19:08.060 They're still citing them after humiliating themselves with that hospital bombing.

01:19:12.960 Still, we've learned not to trust this organization.

01:19:15.560 There was a number of people that very tragically died today in a swarm of Gazan civilians on an

01:19:23.360 aid convoy.

01:19:24.660 And they were open fired on by IDF troops.

01:19:29.340 So I was told, then I saw the Israelis pushing back on that.

01:19:32.240 I don't know what's true.

01:19:33.160 It very well could be that everyone who died there today was killed by the Israelis.

01:19:37.000 It could have had a good reason for it.

01:19:38.080 They could have had a bad reason for it.

01:19:39.740 But to see the media again this morning, and I listened to it on PR and various other

01:19:45.160 sources, just going directly into it again.

01:19:47.620 And while citing the Gaza Ministry of Health, which of course has no interest in maximizing

01:19:53.680 its casualties.

01:19:54.320 Like, look, you know, Zelensky, and I'm unlike a lot of people that I think listen to our

01:19:58.920 podcast, I'm a pretty strong supporter of the Ukrainians.

01:20:02.120 And when they said 30,000, 33,000 dead, it's like, that's a fraction of what it is.

01:20:07.780 I know he's lying, too.

01:20:09.080 I know the Russians are lying, too.

01:20:10.460 Everybody lies about this stuff.

01:20:12.060 But I have had people tell me, academics, one very famous academic, actually, in this

01:20:17.040 said, I believe everything that they say.

01:20:19.360 What?

01:20:19.940 Rashid Khalidi from Colombia.

01:20:21.680 I know the people there.

01:20:23.300 You don't know them.

01:20:24.060 I know them personally.

01:20:25.340 They wouldn't lie about this stuff.

01:20:26.600 How they get the hospital bombing so wrong.

01:20:27.700 This is what, yes.

01:20:28.600 I mean, like this kind of stuff, and look, as this relates to the Democratic Party, I

01:20:33.500 mean, it was, I don't remember what the exact number was, a pretty low turnout for Democrats

01:20:36.940 in Michigan.

01:20:38.860 So that's also something to consider, too.

01:20:40.800 But if you're going to arrest American foreign policy, an American foreign policy, which has

01:20:46.200 been a very steady American foreign policy since 1948, on potentially losing this small

01:20:52.020 segment of people in Virginia, you deserve to lose.

01:20:54.340 You should not be, you know, trying to speed up a solution.

01:20:57.880 You try to speed up a solution because you want those hostages to come out alive.

01:21:01.440 And look, nobody wants any civilians there to die.

01:21:04.300 I certainly hope they don't.

01:21:06.060 In that, but the political calculations here and talking about them always feels very gross

01:21:11.140 to me.

01:21:11.380 And you know what the worst is, you know, Joe Biden doesn't, he's on Team Israel.

01:21:14.920 I really believe he is.

01:21:15.860 He is.

01:21:16.140 He's just saying these latest things about like, oh, they've gone too far to appease

01:21:20.040 his staff, which is all these young, woke White House interns that releases a memo to

01:21:24.800 the press every time they have some sort of sit-in.

01:21:27.540 Anonymous memo, too.

01:21:28.360 Right.

01:21:29.160 So it's like, they have some sort of effect.

01:21:32.520 So I know you really want to talk about Chris Cuomo and we're going to do that.

01:21:35.700 We're going to do that next, right?

01:21:37.460 We're going to take a quick break, are we?

01:21:38.880 Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and we're going to come right back with the guys

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01:22:45.720 It's Leap Day, which is exciting.

01:22:47.640 We only get Leap Day every four years.

01:22:49.540 And I had originally planned on taking this day off and having my kids take this day off

01:22:53.880 and just to go do all the things that, like, we've never done.

01:22:57.260 You know, like, I've never taken my kids to the 9-11 Museum.

01:22:59.580 I really would like to take my kids to the 9-11.

01:23:01.300 Just stuff that, like, you always say you're going to do, but then you don't do.

01:23:04.580 And then I realized, like, it's a school day for everybody.

01:23:07.080 I have to work.

01:23:07.860 There's a lot going on.

01:23:09.140 My kids, this is, like, exam week at my older son.

01:23:12.060 Like, you can't, right?

01:23:13.440 So one idea that my hairstylist thought was maybe between now when I go watch my daughter

01:23:18.200 in her play this evening, I could go skydiving.

01:23:20.560 I don't think that's going to happen.

01:23:24.120 Does anyone have an idea on something we can do?

01:23:28.040 Skydiving?

01:23:28.400 Well, I mean, I've never done it.

01:23:30.400 It's something I wouldn't normally do.

01:23:31.940 Did she say, like, get a neck tattoo next or something?

01:23:35.000 She said she did it and there was a Navy SEAL on her back and she really enjoyed that.

01:23:38.060 Yeah, that wasn't, she wasn't talking about skydiving.

01:23:41.160 You just made that about skydiving.

01:23:43.020 Sarah?

01:23:44.160 I don't know.

01:23:45.000 Like, I think that after this we're going to day drink.

01:23:47.920 Yeah.

01:23:48.280 We'll probably just get some drinks during the day.

01:23:50.120 I don't know if you've ever done that with your kids.

01:23:52.900 Might be worth a try.

01:23:54.120 I didn't hear that the kids had to be involved.

01:23:56.180 Oh, is it just you?

01:23:57.060 Is it just you or the kids?

01:23:57.980 Maybe just Doug could take him to the 9-11 Museum.

01:24:00.020 Exactly.

01:24:01.360 I think that we'd all be interested in visiting your masseuse, as described earlier.

01:24:06.320 Discussed earlier.

01:24:07.720 Good Lord.

01:24:08.360 It's a good day for that.

01:24:09.340 I just don't even know what to do.

01:24:11.900 I don't know.

01:24:12.260 I've been solo parenting for a week and I have another one left, so I'm just thinking every

01:24:17.640 day, what do I do?

01:24:18.760 Yeah.

01:24:19.020 I'm not very good at it.

01:24:20.100 How old are your kids?

01:24:20.900 I have one and she just turned 13.

01:24:23.780 Okay.

01:24:24.040 And she talks with her friends in the back of the car going to school this morning like

01:24:28.580 she's 25.

01:24:29.560 Yes.

01:24:30.000 And writes for National Review or something.

01:24:33.080 I didn't know any of this.

01:24:34.340 That's like, that's the secret conversation.

01:24:35.600 They don't think I can hear like I'm an Uber driver who only speaks Georgian or something.

01:24:39.300 And it's like, how do they not know that I'm hearing all of this?

01:24:41.840 Oh my God.

01:24:42.540 Doug and I were in the back of a car one time and this is embarrassing for Doug, but

01:24:47.400 I'm going to tell it anyway.

01:24:48.500 Poor Doug.

01:24:49.080 And he says, he says to me, like, he gives me a look and I'm like, what, what?

01:24:54.400 I didn't know what he was trying to signal.

01:24:55.780 And he literally spelled out S-E-X.

01:25:00.940 What?

01:25:01.440 Sorry, huh?

01:25:02.300 I'm like, the driver can spell?

01:25:05.500 What are you saying?

01:25:06.940 What?

01:25:07.560 Was he trying, he was trying to get it on in the cab?

01:25:10.120 No, he was like, make it a plan for later.

01:25:12.740 He's letting me know.

01:25:13.340 Is that how you guys negotiate?

01:25:15.220 No, no.

01:25:16.760 He pushes the paperwork over.

01:25:18.580 He's like, I think I'm at 8.30 tonight.

01:25:20.080 Do you consent?

01:25:20.780 You can talk to your...

01:25:21.680 I guess he thought he communicated what he wanted to do when we got there with his eyes,

01:25:25.940 but I didn't get it.

01:25:26.840 And he felt the need to spell it.

01:25:28.560 I mean, she's a lawyer.

01:25:30.280 Yeah.

01:25:30.920 I mean, the presumption is they don't know what that is.

01:25:32.900 So you don't have any greater leap day plans than I do.

01:25:35.900 But let's take a look.

01:25:37.060 Let's check in with Chris Cuomo, because I think we might find some sort of inspirational

01:25:41.180 thoughts from his podcast.

01:25:43.560 Let's take a listen.

01:25:44.780 What if I told you that I know something that can absolutely change your perspective on your

01:25:50.300 own life and greatly increase your ability to deal with whatever comes your way?

01:25:56.900 And here's a little inside tip.

01:26:00.080 Everything that comes your way is the same.

01:26:02.700 The art of acquiescence is understood by Marcus Aurelius and taught by the great Stoics.

01:26:09.320 OK, whether it's Seneca or Epictetus, I mean, many great minds.

01:26:13.900 I'm going to be haunted by what I did in the past.

01:26:16.360 It's going to change everything.

01:26:18.800 It'll never be better.

01:26:20.480 I can't fix it.

01:26:22.060 I'll never get the job.

01:26:23.840 She'll never stay with me.

01:26:25.680 He doesn't really like me.

01:26:27.700 This isn't going to be what I needed it to be.

01:26:29.940 I'm going to fail all of those things.

01:26:33.440 Right.

01:26:33.800 My kid's not going to get into school.

01:26:36.020 They're not going to be smart.

01:26:37.240 They're not going to be popular.

01:26:39.080 Right.

01:26:39.640 Whatever it is.

01:26:40.800 I'm fat.

01:26:41.760 I'm never going to get in shape.

01:26:43.560 We get it.

01:26:45.160 They all boil down to the same things.

01:26:48.380 Kung Fu Panda said it brilliantly.

01:26:50.820 It was actually Sifu.

01:26:52.480 No, it was actually the turtle.

01:26:54.220 Master Oogway, Master Oogway, Master Oogway.

01:27:00.240 Oh, man.

01:27:01.020 The past is history.

01:27:03.500 The future, a mystery.

01:27:06.420 But today is a gift.

01:27:09.380 That's why it's called the present.

01:27:12.360 Genius.

01:27:14.220 Fucking loved it.

01:27:16.800 Oh.

01:27:17.800 Okay.

01:27:18.440 All right.

01:27:19.540 Ladies and gentlemen, America's shittiest guru.

01:27:22.180 Good Lord.

01:27:24.960 Today was yesterday.

01:27:26.960 And yesterday is tomorrow.

01:27:28.280 What is he talking about?

01:27:29.420 The Kung Fu Panda bit.

01:27:31.060 He lost me for a little bit.

01:27:31.920 Yeah, for a second.

01:27:32.660 I like the mindfulness, like being in the present moment.

01:27:36.740 What are you?

01:27:37.060 You should have never started smoking pot.

01:27:39.540 This has been a problem.

01:27:40.080 You're like Sam Harris.

01:27:41.120 You could blame Sam Harris.

01:27:42.560 Oh, yeah.

01:27:43.160 He's waking up.

01:27:45.460 It's life affirming.

01:27:46.540 Yeah, but he does.

01:27:47.480 He does a better job than Chris Cuomo.

01:27:48.980 And he never mentioned Kung Fu Panda.

01:27:50.180 He doesn't make any sense.

01:27:51.720 And, you know, by the way, it's an embarrassment to the Italian-Americans, you know, because

01:27:54.420 I have a little bit of that in me.

01:27:55.640 And the Cuomos are really just doing a bad job.

01:27:57.480 This is not acceptable.

01:27:57.800 But his, like the list of things, which he's just a bad broadcaster.

01:28:02.600 It's like, I know you're in your house, but like there's people listening.

01:28:04.920 Yeah.

01:28:05.220 Why was the list so long?

01:28:06.740 It was all about his life.

01:28:08.080 No one has ever needed a co-host tour.

01:28:09.180 And he's like, I got no turkey and I was trying to make a sandwich, for instance.

01:28:12.160 And then Seneca said, I'm like, okay, fucking Wikipedia.

01:28:16.700 Someone just Googled this beforehand.

01:28:18.860 I can swear, right?

01:28:19.840 That's a serious thing.

01:28:20.800 A little late to be asking that one.

01:28:22.000 Yeah, sorry.

01:28:22.700 I'm bad.

01:28:23.480 I'm the third one.

01:28:24.120 You just started to share it.

01:28:25.300 There was a lot in there.

01:28:27.220 So God bless Chris Cuomo.

01:28:28.720 I hope it all works out.

01:28:30.400 You should get him on.

01:28:30.720 You should ask him to come on.

01:28:32.720 You'd like him.

01:28:33.580 A tape.

01:28:34.140 Stop it right now.

01:28:34.960 We've got to talk about Willy Wonka.

01:28:37.900 Believe it or not.

01:28:38.420 Did you see there's news about Willy Wonka?

01:28:41.420 A Willy Wonka-inspired experience over in Glasgow, Scotland turned out to be a scam.

01:28:49.900 Yes.

01:28:50.080 So apparently they were promised people were extraordinary props, oversized lollipops, and

01:28:55.020 a paradise of sweet treats, all promoted with dream-like candy-colored images on the

01:28:59.880 website.

01:29:01.100 Quoting here from NBC News, when ticket holders arrived at the event over the weekend,

01:29:04.960 they instead found a sparsely decorated warehouse with nothing resembling the Charlie and the

01:29:09.640 Chocolate Factory franchise, the event invoked in its advertising.

01:29:13.000 Look at the pictures of what they actually saw when they went to their Willy Wonka-themed

01:29:17.740 event.

01:29:18.240 Stand by.

01:29:19.500 Can you put it on the big screen so they can see it?

01:29:21.460 Only I can see it in the camera.

01:29:23.940 I can defend this.

01:29:25.000 It looks like prison.

01:29:26.060 I can defend this.

01:29:26.520 You can defend it.

01:29:27.080 No, you cannot.

01:29:27.820 No.

01:29:28.040 You cannot defend this.

01:29:28.480 Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination.

01:29:32.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:33.180 Exactly.

01:29:33.540 Exactly.

01:29:33.740 Use your imagination.

01:29:36.320 Fill out the room.

01:29:36.680 Look at this.

01:29:37.380 Yeah.

01:29:37.940 And that's exciting.

01:29:38.920 Wonka makes you joyful and hopeful.

01:29:40.780 This makes you depressed.

01:29:41.600 Yeah.

01:29:42.000 I mean, it's a prison suicide.

01:29:43.180 But also so does Glasgow.

01:29:46.260 It's like a Grebel in Wonka.

01:29:49.160 It's going to be in there and like, that is-

01:29:50.600 What is that?

01:29:51.100 Look at the website.

01:29:52.000 What is that?

01:29:52.780 They had to call the police because their ticket holders were so pissed that it was a

01:29:58.400 bait and switch.

01:29:59.140 Look how depressing that is.

01:30:00.760 Let me tell you something.

01:30:01.640 Angry Scottish people.

01:30:01.940 A little story for you guys.

01:30:03.120 A story time with MK again.

01:30:04.740 Okay.

01:30:04.940 And it was two, three, almost four years ago now.

01:30:08.580 It was 2020.

01:30:09.460 We were during the COVID pandemic.

01:30:10.680 We had just launched the show and I was turning 50.

01:30:13.180 And for my 50th birthday, my team booked Charlie Bucket and Veruca Salt, the real, the real.

01:30:20.800 Wow, the real ones.

01:30:21.860 Peter Ostrom and Julie Don Cole came on this show because they know I love Willy Wonka.

01:30:27.980 I love Charlie and Charlie Bucket.

01:30:29.120 In fact, I love the book.

01:30:29.760 I love the movie.

01:30:30.260 I love it all.

01:30:31.180 And it was the first and only interview in my life where I literally burst into tears

01:30:34.840 before I asked a single question.

01:30:36.600 Oh, wow.

01:30:36.920 I was so overwhelmed.

01:30:38.020 It's a long story.

01:30:39.120 Yeah.

01:30:39.560 Anyway.

01:30:41.040 So Julie Don Cole, Veruca Salt says to me, what are you doing for your 50th birthday?

01:30:45.060 I'm like, oh, I can't travel.

01:30:45.860 It's COVID.

01:30:46.220 She was like, well, when you decide to travel, please come over here to London and we'll watch the movie

01:30:50.440 together.

01:30:51.120 Oh.

01:30:52.460 It happened.

01:30:53.340 Wait, you did it?

01:30:54.160 That's so cool.

01:30:54.600 I did it.

01:30:55.300 I did it.

01:30:56.260 Oh, my God.

01:30:56.540 And I stayed at this beautiful hotel, which I highly recommend to you.

01:30:59.260 It's called the Brown Hotel.

01:31:00.300 And look at this.

01:31:00.840 They made a little Wonka room just through Abigail Finan, my assistant, which was better

01:31:05.640 than the one in Glasgow.

01:31:07.520 So this is just a hotel room that they put together for Julie Don Cole to come over.

01:31:13.760 And we sat there, she and I and my whole family, and we watched the movie together

01:31:18.820 together, and we sang together.

01:31:20.720 And I'm going to show you just a little clip.

01:31:22.440 Oh, my Lord.

01:31:23.140 Here, watch.

01:31:24.340 I'm so terrified.

01:31:25.200 I'm terrified of this too.

01:31:26.840 You what?

01:31:27.540 33 times it took to get this scene done.

01:31:29.820 Don't care how I want it now.

01:31:33.780 Don't care how I want it now.

01:31:38.560 Oh.

01:31:41.140 Wah, wah.

01:31:41.900 The last one I felt, though.

01:31:48.540 The glass of wine in hand.

01:31:50.460 She seems amazing just from that shot.

01:31:52.340 She's amazing.

01:31:53.760 She called up an Oompa Loompa.

01:31:56.880 We spoke to the head Oompa Loompa.

01:31:59.020 That's the real Wonka experience.

01:32:03.100 I'm sorry, but those poor people in Glasgow, I had no idea what they were saying.

01:32:06.480 That's amazing.

01:32:07.540 I've got so many follow-up questions, but we don't have enough time on the Mary Kelly

01:32:11.360 show.

01:32:11.900 But wow.

01:32:12.800 Did you cry with her too while you guys were guzzling the vino?

01:32:15.660 It was a little teary, but it was mostly joyful.

01:32:18.120 It was great because she-

01:32:19.500 Did you pay her for this?

01:32:20.620 No, she came.

01:32:22.120 She offered.

01:32:23.140 I took her up on it.

01:32:24.000 I'm sure she wasn't thinking I was actually going to do it.

01:32:25.560 I'm like, I'm here with my whole family.

01:32:26.880 Can you please come over?

01:32:28.080 She's like, sure.

01:32:29.180 She's like, what did that mad American woman say?

01:32:31.040 We've got to go.

01:32:31.800 Sorry.

01:32:32.300 She was so nice.

01:32:33.380 And I had to say, you know, she, like I, she's no spring chicken.

01:32:36.680 And she, my son got COVID.

01:32:39.220 This is still in the height of COVID-19, like I say.

01:32:42.100 And it was early 21 or late 20 when we actually made it over there.

01:32:46.180 And I'm like, I had to tell her, I'm like, oh, my son has COVID.

01:32:49.820 Do you mind?

01:32:50.560 She's like, I don't care.

01:32:52.000 She's like, no problem.

01:32:52.760 She goes, just keep them on the other side of the room.

01:32:54.840 We're good.

01:32:55.260 She came.

01:32:56.320 We drank.

01:32:57.240 We danced.

01:32:58.080 We sang.

01:32:59.000 That is amazing.

01:32:59.620 It was a dream come true.

01:33:00.840 You guys, sometimes dreams really do come true, but not if your name is Prince Harry.

01:33:06.520 That's where we're ending it.

01:33:08.040 Oh, my cast of favorites.

01:33:09.800 Every time.

01:33:10.760 Harry lost his big legal battle over in the UK to get them to pay for his security.

01:33:16.120 He's pissed because when he left the royal family, they were like, you left the royal family?

01:33:19.260 Goodbye.

01:33:19.660 We're not paying for police coverage for you anymore.

01:33:21.820 So he sued.

01:33:22.500 And in his pleadings where he just lost, but the judge released this in his decision saying,

01:33:27.560 you're not getting this paid for.

01:33:28.920 He said, I want the name of the person who denied me the security.

01:33:33.540 Like, what's he going to do?

01:33:34.860 What is Prince Harry going to do to this person?

01:33:36.740 The entitlement and disgusting obsession with oneself and his fake security concerns.

01:33:42.500 I'm sorry, but he just got paid $100 million from Netflix.

01:33:45.280 He can afford his own security.

01:33:46.320 He can hire security, dude.

01:33:47.400 Yeah.

01:33:47.820 And he said, I need to know the name of the guy who did this.

01:33:51.880 And I thought that was just speculation.

01:33:53.260 And I read the story and it was actually in the ruling, which is crazy.

01:33:56.520 And yeah, I kept on thinking, what is he going to do?

01:33:58.140 Bore him to death?

01:33:59.080 Like, just sit in front like, you know, my wife is really a drag, you know?

01:34:03.160 I don't know what he's going to do.

01:34:04.580 But the security thing is kind of bullshit in certain ways, right?

01:34:09.520 The paparazzi is aggressive and I understand that.

01:34:12.460 But the narrative that you always get is that his mother was killed by the paparazzi.

01:34:17.180 His mother was killed by a drunk driver.

01:34:19.240 And Henri something or whatever.

01:34:22.680 But he had to double the legal limit and crashed.

01:34:25.820 Were there paparazzi behind him?

01:34:27.320 Yeah, but I think if he was sober, that wouldn't have happened.

01:34:29.420 But that's been respawned by everyone.

01:34:31.140 Like, these horrible paparazzi, this is the life I have to lead.

01:34:33.800 I'm getting paid $100 million by Netflix, despite having literally no talent and being a ginger.

01:34:38.980 That's the same part.

01:34:40.020 It's not, it's just me.

01:34:41.200 That's me.

01:34:41.500 It's forgivable.

01:34:41.780 But it's like, you have a talentless family and yet you're in your, the incredible thing

01:34:49.200 is about somebody who just got the $100 million or whatever it was from, from Netflix to go

01:34:53.760 to England where you do not live and say, and for a family that you've made separation

01:34:58.680 from, and say, the taxpayers of England should pay for this.

01:35:02.100 Right.

01:35:02.960 The entitlement.

01:35:03.760 And there is no, there is no threat by paparazzi.

01:35:06.780 They made up their fake car chase in New York, as you know.

01:35:09.620 Even their Netflix special showed, he's following us.

01:35:12.320 It was one guy on a Vespa.

01:35:14.460 Literally.

01:35:15.240 You're going to get more when you leave Sirius XM, you three.

01:35:18.180 Yeah.

01:35:18.800 It's, sir.

01:35:19.640 I think it was Matt Stone.

01:35:21.820 It's always, you left your wallet.

01:35:24.600 He's following us.

01:35:26.040 Get out now.

01:35:28.020 They love me.

01:35:29.480 Idiot.

01:35:29.880 You're pretty good with the impressions, buddy.

01:35:32.460 I try my best.

01:35:33.200 Can you give us your Larry Flint that you gave us during the commercial break?

01:35:35.740 No, my God.

01:35:36.480 Are you serious?

01:35:37.000 Yes, dude.

01:35:37.440 It's really good.

01:35:38.000 Do you have any idea how many organizations will write in and be like,

01:35:41.140 you're Matt, that was Larry Flint.

01:35:43.460 Yeah, it's just, it's.

01:35:45.040 Okay.

01:35:45.580 But what a weird impression to Larry Flint.

01:35:47.840 I don't know.

01:35:48.280 A dead pornographer.

01:35:49.800 It's in your repertoire.

01:35:50.980 It's in my repertoire.

01:35:51.960 It is.

01:35:52.080 You guys, that was super fun.

01:35:53.420 I feel like it's a standing now in person here at Sirius XM.

01:35:56.180 Let's do it in person and also every February 29th.

01:35:59.100 Yeah, you're on.

01:36:00.680 Hopefully not until, we will do it before then.

01:36:03.840 Yeah.

01:36:04.020 Okay.

01:36:04.460 They're going to go drink and I might join them.

01:36:06.020 Maybe that'll be my thing.

01:36:06.920 Let me know what your thing is.

01:36:08.220 Email me, Megan, at MeganKelley.com with your leap day plans.

01:36:12.400 Would love to hear.

01:36:13.880 Back tomorrow with two episodes.

01:36:15.420 We're going to do a live one at noon and then we're going to come back after the closing

01:36:19.440 arguments in the Fannie Willis case with which I am obsessed.

01:36:23.020 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:36:28.400 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 29, 2024

Meltdown Over Supreme Court Tackling Trump ＂Immunity,＂ and Why Biden Won't Take Cognitive Test, with The Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 734

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