Menendez Brothers Could Be RELEASED, with Mark Geragos, Plus Megyn on Early Voting and How to Unwind ｜ Ep. 927
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This past week, Los Angeles DA George Gascon announced he is seeking the resentencing of Eric and Lyle Menendez, who killed their parents in their Beverly Hills mansion in the 1990s. Megynkelianne talks to Mark Garagos, the Menendez brothers' attorney, about the possibility of a new trial.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's weekend special episode.
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This past week, Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon announced
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he is seeking the resentencing of Eric and Lyle Menendez, whoa,
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who killed their parents in their Beverly Hills mansion in the 1990s.
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Gascon filed paperwork on Friday to remove life without the possibility of parole,
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Joining me now, the Menendez brothers' attorney, and that's Mark Garagos.
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First of all, I've been doing your kind of, what do you call it, Kelly's Court?
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And it's been completely put aside while you're in election,
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did you do a segment with Mark and Arthur about this case?
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I think it was one of the many agenda items we did on a lengthy court the other day.
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But we always seek you first if we're going to talk, Menendez.
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Well, because I know, but I do, there were a couple of misstatements,
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not so much by Mark, but by Arthur, which I was, if I see him in New York this weekend,
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I'm going to have a couple of bones to pick with you.
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So tell us, first of all, your reaction, because this is huge.
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Yeah, I mean, look, we filed, you'll, I'll get into the weeds for a second.
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We filed a habeas based on Roy Rosello, which is the Menudo member who has said
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and declared under penalty of perjury that Jose had raped him as well, by the way, in their house.
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And also on a letter that was found by Robert Rand, I believe, in Neri, who, back in 2015, that ABC had,
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which in that letter, which was, we've been able to date to eight months prior to the killings,
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Eric was complaining to his cousin, Andy, about the abuse.
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And that corroborates Andy's testimony, who unfortunately died in 2001.
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So that letter was not found until, in his effect, some 15 years later.
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Okay, the letter is important because it's showing long before the actual murders,
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Eric was telling somebody that his dad was abusing him.
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And it also is helpful because they didn't tell their psychiatrist that they were being abused.
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And that's one of the things, if I remember correctly, he was cross-examined on, like,
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oh, you know, you told Dr. Ozeal a lot of things, but you didn't tell him you got abused.
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And the response was something like, do you know anything about abused children?
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Like, it's really not something they run around shouting, even under these weird, tragic circumstances.
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One of the reasons I was fascinated with this case, and have been for many years,
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in 94, I tried a case with a woman named Yoshi Kale, and I tried it in the L.A. Superior Court.
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We were able to use the battered woman's defense in her case.
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And in that case, she ended up getting a voluntary manslaughter, ultimately,
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On the record, in the transcript, in the Menendez case, and I remember it in real time,
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the judge at the then-DA's urging said, well, I understand that battered woman's defense
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is now something that's available in California.
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However, it does not apply to children, and children are not able to take advantage of this
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idea of negating the malice for murder because of abuse.
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Can you imagine where we were in the 90s here to now?
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And even, they played this, recently, 2020 did a retrospective on the case,
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They had a lot of Barbara Walters' interview with the boys.
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I remember watching that when I was, you know, young, and this was actually happening.
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And I had forgotten about the prosecutor saying this incendiary thing in Soundbite 48.
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People said, first of all, that men cannot be raped,
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because they lack the necessary equipment to actually be raped.
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The prosecutor telling the judge men cannot be raped.
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I mean, it does give you a flavor for how backward we still were when this case was tried.
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What people, I think, you know, because I saw that same thing, and I've watched it.
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And, boy, she's gotten quite a bit of hate directed in her direction.
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In fact, to the point where there's an interview that I saw somewhere where she was saying,
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Pam did have a couple of people who had killed their parents on her hands.
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It's just the whole question, really almost from the get-go, was what is the penalty?
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Is it something that they should be acquitted on, given—I don't even know if acquittal was ever a possibility, Mark.
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Yeah, acquittal was not really what they are arguing at the time.
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In the first trial, Leslie Abramson, who I remember her well.
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I haven't seen her for years, so she's retired.
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But Leslie was kind of the go-to criminal defense lawyer in Los Angeles at that point.
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She was arguing forcefully and put on almost 50 witnesses as to the abuse.
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There were two juries in that first trial, one for Lyle, one for Eric.
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Both juries came back hung, but not between murder and acquittal, between murder and manslaughter.
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And the jurors, when they were presented with the evidence and the relatives and all of the factors with the experts, fully half of them said, this is not a murder case.
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That literally was snatched from them in trial number two.
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O.J. was acquitted eight days before evidence started in trial number two.
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Ironically, the DA at the time was in a fight for his life and knew that he had to pull out all the stops.
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Pam Bozanich was not the prosecutor who tried case number two.
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And David forcefully and effectively argued for Judge Weisberg, same judge as trial number one, to change the number of his rulings and not let them present the abuse, the fulsome abuse defense.
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And one of the reasons, if I remember, is because they had never raised allegations of abuse.
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But, you know, now we know that these cases have been discussed more in the public eye over the past 30 years.
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Because there's not usually some evidence of it with little boys.
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And unfortunately for Lyle and Eric, their side of the story was being brought up under the worst possible circumstances.
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Where they did need to get out of a very serious, you know, possible death sentence, life sentence.
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So they were not given the benefit of the doubt.
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But I do think that Menudo testimony is everything, Mark.
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I do think your client, Scott Peterson, is guilty.
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But the Menendez brothers are a different story.
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Speaking of which, for those who don't know, I've known you since you were a cub reporter.
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So, but on this one, I do see, like, the whole question was, was Jose Menendez an abuser or wasn't he?
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Because if he was unleashing the horrific sexual and other abuse on these boys that they claimed, I think any feeling person wouldn't have said, oh, yeah, great, you killed them.
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But would have understood there are mitigating circumstances here, potentially, that the jury should at least hear about, which they didn't in the second trial.
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And when the guy from Menudo came out and said in that documentary on Menudo on the record, and then, as you point out, under oath for you in trying to seek a new trial, he said this same guy who was a music executive, Jose Menendez, he raped me.
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And, like, did you ever get to talk to him, Mark, about why he didn't come forward, you know, during the trial?
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Well, there's, part of the problem is, you know, you hit on a couple of great points there, as you always do, but with boys, it is not as easy to determine these kinds of things.
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I mean, there are ways for the examiner to do forensic examinations that are at least consistent with abuse, and you can find, there are findings and things like that.
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That's just from a medical and a scientific perspective.
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From a cultural perspective, you know, 30 years ago, people were not willing to accept this.
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This was just a bridge too far for people to say, yes, I can see that.
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And, frankly, I think one of the things that has worked to the advantage from a legal standpoint,
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one of the only things that I will take issue with Leslie Abramson on, Leslie has said, you know, no amount of petitions,
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no amount of kind of groundswell of the younger generation is going to help.
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I think that the fact that people reexamine this well before the Ryan Murphy series, well before actually the habeas,
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that was kind of brought to my attention, is that people did not understand,
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that particular generation did not understand that these things can and do happen.
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And that, I think, is important in terms of the evolution of the culture.
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And, as I mentioned before, the law is always trailing behind where the culture is in terms of kind of our evolved understanding of abuse.
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Eric and Lyle Menendez were living in California when they killed both their parents,
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They were brothers separated by just three years, Lyle the older, Eric the younger.
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And while initially they tried to say it might have been a mob hit, we don't know who did it,
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it quickly became clear that the boys had done it themselves and had, with shotguns,
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brutally murdered their own parents sitting in their TV room one night,
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that it had been planned out, that they had purchased the guns a couple days in advance with a friend's ID,
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and that they had confessed to their psychiatrist, Dr. Ozeal.
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He had some lover, a girlfriend who went to the cops.
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Like, this woman was a mess, and this doctor was a mess.
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And the latest docu-series on it seems like it's full of bull, Mark.
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I mean, it just, I'm so, docu-series is not a thing.
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Like, docu should be followed by mentory, and then we know what it is.
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But I think they did this to Linda Fairstein with the Central Park Five story,
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and I think they did this to the Menendez case on this.
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I think they did it to Michael Jackson, too, where they call it a docu-series.
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It's really just drama through the eyes of someone like Ryan Murphy.
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People have been saying, well, did the Ryan Murphy series help this?
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It was such a caricature of what it was that there was a public backlash.
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I don't think that the so-called docu-series, as you call it,
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and that's once again where I invoke Leslie Abramson,
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who I think somebody caught at a gas station or someplace and said that I don't watch that piece POS at all.
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But it has at least bubbled up, if you will, to the consciousness of what was happening.
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And I think we filed this habeas 18 months ago.
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We sent over a draft petition invitation to resentence to the DA about six months ago,
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because I wanted the DA to take a look at what I was going to present,
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take a look at what's called the C file, which is the Department of Corrections file.
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And I wanted them to join or initiate the resentencing.
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Okay, so let me play his soundbite, and then you tell me what's really going on here with George Gascon, Zot 40.
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A very careful review of all the arguments that were made for people on both sides of this equation.
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I came to a place where I believe that under the law, resentencing is appropriate.
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And I am going to recommend that to a court tomorrow.
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I believe that they have paid their debt to society.
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And the system provides a vehicle for their case to be reviewed by a parole board.
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And if the parole concurs with my assessment, and it will be their decision,
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Certainly, we're very sure not only that the brothers have rehabilitated
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and that they will be safe to be reintegrated in our society,
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Yeah, because there's been a lot of, I don't want to say misreporting, but part of why I had
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invited the district attorney to initiate the resentencing months and months ago is there
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are some legal quirks, one of which is if the DA initiates it, which they have now done after
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that press conference, they went over and they filed the request for resentencing.
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Now that triggers the ability for us to request a hearing with the judge, which we will do in short
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That judge now has the ability to resentence them.
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And the judge does not, is not bound by the DA recommendation.
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So the judge has the ability to recall the sentence and start afresh.
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They are in a legal zone where the judge can do, and I believe should do, and we will urge
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him to recall the murder, sentence them to a manslaughter and release them immediately.
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And could it be, Mark, that you will go to that hearing and then they will walk out free
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And I've said from the get-go, I wanted them over here for Thanksgiving.
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So if I get the hearing or we get the hearing set in front of Judge Ryan within a short period
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of time, the one thing that is uncontested and unrebutted, they have, I referred to before
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The C file is 35 years, 34 years of, maybe closer to 30, of their history in the prison
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They, then the resentencing deputies said yesterday, and I think the DA conceded this and actually
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said it, they have some of the most impressive work in prison.
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And it's even more impressive when you consider the fact that for the last almost 20 years,
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they had absolutely no hope of ever getting out.
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We're going to help create this green space environment down there at the prison.
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So it seems like most of the family members, you know, who are in a tricky spot, obviously,
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given the nature of this crime, are in support of the boys being released, the men being released
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But I did see an attorney for Kitty Menendez's brother on CNN this morning, and she was saying
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that Kitty Menendez's brother has objections to this.
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Dr. Anderson doesn't believe that those allegations actually, that he believes they're allegations,
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And based on what he saw during the trial, he thinks that essentially that was made of
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There is this letter that has emerged as a part of the renewed scrutiny on this case
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that indicates that there might have been some abuse.
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Does that potentially become a game changer in all of this if it can be further established?
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Well, I suppose it might, but that's also, it's so theoretical, right?
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And the problem with this letter is that we don't exactly know when it was written.
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It may have been written by one of the brothers, but we don't know when it was written.
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The problem with Mr. Gascon is that he's had this case for 17 months, and it's only 11
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days before the election, where he's trailing by 30 points, and he knows he's going to lose,
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so he can get free publicity by holding press conferences.
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And we certainly hope that that's not what his motivation was.
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The one thing that if the CNN person was going to do a fair interview, might have asked her
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is, by the way, are you listed on the opponent for George Gascon's website as endorsing him,
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And out of the 250,000 lawyers in California, how is it that they found one of the 20 lawyers
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who's an ex-disgruntled deputy DA who, as the lawyer, by the way, why didn't your client,
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Milton Anderson, why did he turn down the invitation to go talk to the DA's office?
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And by the way, why does your older sister, Joan, why did she say that you, in fact, your
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And why is it that 24 of all of the other family members have all uniformly come out in
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And I was a witness, and I hate to peddle in this, but I sat in the meeting with the 20-some
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odd family members who met with the DA's office, not yesterday, but well before, and the DA could
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not get them to stop talking about the abuse that Milton, her, Kathy Cady's client, had heaped on
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It's an awful situation, but not something that you would not expect, because generally in abusive
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families, there is this kind of generational repeating of abuse.
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And unfortunately, Milton, based on what the family members have told me, told the DA and
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All right, well, Milton's not here to defend himself, so I'll assume that he denies this charge.
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Which is why I said, I don't know anything about it other than what I have heard from the family
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The family members are uniformly behind the brothers, with the exception of this one, you
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know, I hate to say crazy Uncle Milton, but with the exception of the one family member who
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just happens to find a lawyer who just happens to be endorsing Gascon.
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And by the way, if Gascon, as she says, knows he's going to lose, then why does he want the
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To change the trajectory of the race or, I mean, who knows?
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I don't think much of Gascon, but it doesn't surprise me that he might be looking for publicity.
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But, you know, in his defense, in his defense, what he mentioned yesterday, and we've seen
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it, and on the criminal defense side, you know, if you do the kind of work that criminal
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defense lawyers do, you have to believe, in order to get up in the morning, that people
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have an ability to change or redeem themselves.
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And in Gascon's defense, he has, well before the Menendez brothers, for three years, has
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initiated resentencing for over 300 people, 28 of them convicted of murder.
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And out of all of those 300, only four have reoffended, and not for any kind of violent
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Well, yeah, these are not two young men who had some, you know, multiple murder spree.
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It's like, clearly there was a, you know, as I've said this before, somebody said it
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to me one time about this case, and I thought that was a good point.
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A parent murdered by his child has really received the ultimate F in parenting.
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You know, it's, there, obviously something went very, very wrong in this household with
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Our mutual friend, Adam Carolla, who is, at one point was my podcast partner, Adam is
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Adam's got teenagers, Natalia and Sonny, twins.
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And Adam would say to me for years before I, before I represented the Menendez, he says,
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if Nat, if Natalia goes into Sonny's room on a Friday and says, Sonny, let's go blow
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my mom and dad's face off on Sunday, and Sonny says this Sunday or next Sunday, Adam's point
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was, I think I have failed as a parent, and I'm not really worried.
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So in that 2020 retrospective, it's still available on podcast if you guys want to listen
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Um, they resurfaced Barbara Walter's interview with them, as I pointed out.
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Here's a bit of Lyle and Eric describing their relationship with their father, Jose, in this
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And yet, uh, I, I admired him, uh, because he was so strong.
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He was, he was everything that success was, that I was taught that success was.
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Uh, and, uh, I thought that he was the most powerful and brilliant person I had ever met.
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I was, I was, his firstborn son, that was very important to him, and it was, and he was a
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very, uh, forceful, and I, I think very brutal person.
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And, um, my, my bond with him was, I thought, strong because we had been through so much together.
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You know, it's confusing to some people to hear them say anything nice about him, Mark,
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And by the way, I think, I don't know about you, but that to me is what resonates with
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And it speaks volumes because it's, can you imagine what the, how the brain processes that
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kind of abuse and, and the kinds of cross currents that you have to go through?
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I've sat and listened to experts for hundreds, if not thousands of hours, talk about how the
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brain copes with abuse and how the brain deals with these kinds of trauma and what the healing
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Well, I'll give you, I'll give you one other point in your favor on this, that letter that
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surfaced that you say you've dated to, you think eight or nine months before the murders
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in it, this isn't, um, Eric in great detail saying he comes in and he does the following
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It's caused me great strife and pain and upset.
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Like that's to me how somebody who's just laying the foundation for a murder defense would
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He sounds to me more like somebody who really did have this happening to him, who was embarrassed
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and ashamed about it as all abuse victims are, uh, you know, unnecessarily, but it comes
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They, they, they haven't done anything, but, um, that's how the letter reads to me.
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And you've heard me, I think say it before, and I forget who first penned it.
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If these were the Menendez sisters, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about getting them out
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But, but let me, let me, before we get too soft on them, um, cause I've got to be the
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Um, they did go on a spending spree after the parents work after they killed their parents.
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And that was so, that was one of the worst things they could possibly have done in terms
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of being found, you know, guilty of murder or manslaughter.
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Cause the public was looking at it like what the they're celebrating.
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And the prosecution's theory in part was they wanted the parents money.
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They were, they were worried Jose was going to change his will.
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And, um, Barbara asked them about that a bit in Sop 44.
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There are people, a great number of people who think that you two are spoiled brats.
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I don't know that there's anything I can say to them because I came from a family of wealth.
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Oh, Eric, you're a normal kid who killed your parents.
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Well, I, I didn't have normal experiences, but I, I am.
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And, uh, there's not a day that goes by that I don't think about what happened and wish that I could, I could take that moment back.
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It is, it is difficult to, uh, be a whole 28 years defined by a day.
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What about the spending spree and the financial incentive and all that?
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You know, I could be wrong, but my memory is, and it hasn't been in the forefront of, uh, kind of the challenge, but my memory is in real time that the DA had gone to the grand jury with a financial gain special circumstance and that the grand jury rejected it.
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And, um, and I have also talked to experts over the years in many different contexts, and the experts will tell you that that is not necessarily, in fact, I had a case, uh, another murder case back in the nineties where the person who was, uh, and it was a male who was raped, uh, then took the credit cards of the rapist and went on a spending spree.
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And I remember at the time, back in the nineties, the expert explaining to me, that's a way to punish the perpetrator.
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And I suppose you could say, oh, it was for financial gain.
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But I, I think it's consistent with somebody who's working through that kind of trauma.
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I mean, I guess looking back, I feel like clearly they wanted them dead.
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They, they claim they were being tortured by the father and that the mother was complicit and had no life.
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Cause a lot of people want to know, what about her?
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I mean, I think that's probably a lot of why they got the life sentence and, you know, like she wasn't abusing them.
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Although there was, I don't know if there may have been some testimony to that effect.
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Um, but what do you say to those people, Mark, who say, what about her?
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Well, there, there was a rule in that house that was enforced by Kitty that if Jose was with one of the sons down the hall in a bedroom, you could not go down the hall.
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And I have heard that from the victim's family themselves.
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Joan is the 92, she turns 93 next month, older sister of Kitty.
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She is the most forceful proponent for getting them out.
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So if, if Kitty's own older sister, who was more of a protector of Kitty than anybody is advocating, who am I?
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Who is anybody else to, to say, no, we're here to stand up for Kitty.
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What are the percentage odds that Lyle and Eric Menendez will be at your house this Thanksgiving?
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I'm going to, I'm going to say better than 50, 50.
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I don't want to presume, I don't want to presume I'm the judge, but if, if the law is filed and if the facts pan out exactly as they should, they should be out as soon as we do a hearing.
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This judge reputation for being tough in these cases or not, you know, is, I mean, like, is this somebody who could be persuaded that they should be let out?
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I mean, he's, I've, I've known him as long as he's been on the bench, I believe, and I've always thought the world of him.
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I'm, I'm not going to, and by the way, for those who might say, well, you're never going to say anything negative before he makes a decision.
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I've known him in a million different contexts at the Superior Court.
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He has been assigned by the presiding judge for years in this position to handle these kinds of cases, meaning resentencing and writs and things of that nature.
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Now it's time for another edition of You Can't Say That or Think That or Do That.
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It's October, which means that it's that time of year when the leaves are changing colors
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But according to a recent column in Nature Magazine, two scientists and researchers say
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using the terms fall and autumn is actually completely inappropriate.
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You see, it's a sign of your bias, a bias that you may not even know you have if you are
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The terms are not inclusive, you see, and neither are the other seasons.
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What sort of bias is this that they've identified in you?
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Well, describing October as autumn is actually just your northern hemisphere bias talking.
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Yes, these two researchers are from Australia, you see, where their seasons in the southern
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They say the practice of using, quote, region-specific seasonal markers should be ended and immediately.
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But thankfully, these scientists have given some suggestions for how we can be more seasonally
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inclusive in order to avoid a, quote, Euro-American-centric approach.
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They would also like science conferences to, quote, respect work-life balance by understanding
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that January in the southern hemisphere is like August.
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For those of us in the northern hemisphere, we should be avoiding using those months for
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So remember, if you are thinking about calling the next season that kicks off on December 21st,
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And you can't say that, oh, wait, this is America, where it's fall.
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And now it's time for Asked and Answered, where I answer some of the questions that you guys
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And joining me for that is my executive producer of the show, Steve Krakauer.
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It's a little bit morbid, but I think it's actually an interesting question.
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And he wants to know, he says, with Jimmy Carter looking on his deathbed, remember that
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He said, it's a no-brainer that they had cast his vote early.
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They've made a big deal about him casting his vote for Kamala Harris.
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Is it constitutionally legal to count a dead person's vote?
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And then, good point, on that same thought process, shouldn't we all vote early?
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I think that, yes, I've seen an article on this, and it is legal, though it depends on
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But I think in Georgia, right, where he lives, it's okay.
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So if you, as long as you're alive when you cast the ballot, that's the bare minimum that's
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If you die after that, but before election day, it's kosher.
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But I'm sure the Jimmy Carter people looked into it.
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I think the bigger problem in his case is he did not seem compass mentis at all.
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I can't believe his family did it to him, but whatevs, you do you.
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She says she's a therapist, one of the few in the D.C. area that refuses to affirm.
00:39:33.820
So interesting, you can identify that, Suzanne in the D.C. area.
00:39:37.140
She's also a mom, and she says that she has seen you write about some potential blowback
00:39:46.400
Do you worry about your children being bullied or treated differently because of your views on
00:39:54.980
I don't think the blowback would come to my kids for anything I've said or done.
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But of course, I share my opinions with my kids, and I think my kids share some of them,
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not all of them, but they're coming to their own decisions with their own minds on these
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I'm a major input to the way they see the world.
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I know, obviously, I'm an authority figure, and kids look up to their parents, and we're
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still in that period before they're 16 where they disregard everything we say and do.
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So I try not to abuse it just by indoctrinating them.
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I just try to say, look, this is how I feel about it.
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There are these issues, especially the trans issue, is very dicey.
00:40:43.680
And if speaking the truth gets you in, quote, trouble, then there's something wrong with
00:40:53.320
It might need a disruptor, like your kid or you.
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I make very clear to my kids, you know, there could be consequences to you in taking on any
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And they have to decide whether that's for them.
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But I definitely am not telegraphing, like, don't make trouble.
00:41:11.620
And I'm also not, you know, go put on your warrior hat and pick fights everywhere.
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She says, you get fired up on the show over there are a lot of very important issues and
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But how do you release all the stress and worries at the end of your day?
00:41:40.920
If I don't get to do the show, especially on a day where there's nonsense in the news,
00:41:45.200
like things that need to be fact checked or bullshit media stories are being spun, I
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It's like a warm bath for me, the show, in that way.
00:41:56.060
So I use this show and have this experience with all of you that I hope is somewhat cathartic.
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It could fire you up, but hopefully then it feels cathartic.
00:42:11.100
Net over the course of my life, I'm more of an exerciser than I'm not, but I was in a
00:42:17.760
Doug and I love going for a walk, especially in these fall colors.
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Are you free to do a loop around the neighborhood?
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My red dog, as you know, and I do a lot, a lot, a lot of audio, a lot of audio podcasts,
00:42:45.100
I will confess one of the shows I really like to pop on.
00:42:47.720
Like if I'm cooking dinner is curb your enthusiasm.
00:42:50.500
That's the difference between me and Larry David.
00:42:52.280
I can still enjoy him as a, you know, person and a talent notwithstanding his politics.
00:42:58.100
I know he would not feel the same about me based on Alan Dershowitz's story about him,
00:43:02.220
but that's too bad for him because I wouldn't want to cut out half of, you know, the performers
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in Hollywood or maybe all 90% based on their politics.
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A lot, a lot of F-bombs, even for me, to be honest, Steve, but, but I love the show.
00:43:20.120
Hey, well, you know what my, my show, by the way, Judge Judy.
00:43:30.380
Clearly you don't have problems hanging around strong women all day.
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I got to talk to your wife, Megan, the other Megan about this.
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Have a great weekend and we'll speak to you Monday.