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00:00:46.260 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:54.460 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly, and today I want to bring you an episode of our newest MK Media Podcast Network show, MK True Crime.

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00:01:18.800 Here you go.

00:01:24.460 Welcome to MK True Crime. I'm Johnna Spilboer, your host today.

00:01:29.180 I'm a criminal defense attorney and founding attorney of Johnna Spilboer Law.

00:01:33.440 Here's what's on the docket.

00:01:35.240 The Menendez Brothers parole hearing started on Thursday, the day of this taping, with Eric Menendez up before the parole board first.

00:01:44.140 We will likely know his outcome by the time this show airs.

00:01:48.260 Emanuel Harrow, a seven-month-old baby from California, has now been missing for over a week.

00:01:55.200 We'll bring you the disturbing new revelations about his parents.

00:01:59.020 Donna Adelson's trial gets underway for the murder of son-in-law Dan Markell.

00:02:04.180 And Brian Kohlberger files a what?

00:02:07.240 A sexual harassment claim in prison.

00:02:09.740 I am joined by a fabulous team, MK True Crime contributors, Mark Garagos.

00:02:17.600 He needs no introduction, but he is a criminal defense attorney.

00:02:21.060 And Dave Ehrenberg, former state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, and managing partner at Dave Ehrenberg Law.

00:02:28.300 We are going to kick things off with the Menendez Brothers.

00:02:31.880 And how lucky are we that we have Mark Garagos in studio today, the man, with a lot of inside information.

00:02:40.900 Mark, will you tell us what's going on in there?

00:02:42.960 Because you actually took a break from the hearing to join us today.

00:02:47.680 So bring us up to speed.

00:02:49.040 So the hearing is going on, started after a little bit of legal skirmishing this morning at around 8.30 Pacific.

00:02:56.720 Shortly after 9, it started.

00:03:00.060 And basically what a parole hearing looks like, this is tracking almost exactly.

00:03:05.400 You've got a couple of parole commissioners, is what they call them.

00:03:10.900 Eric is present remotely from San Diego, from the R.J. Donovan prison.

00:03:18.000 Heidi Rummel, the one lawyer that we have doing the hearing, is there present.

00:03:25.420 Along with Habib Balian, who's the DA present.

00:03:29.700 Nathan Hockman apparently tried mightily to monitor this and was not allowed to do so.

00:03:37.380 And there is an L.A. Times reporter that has squirreled away somewhere in the CDRC named James Quealy,

00:03:46.020 who is covering this but is embargoed until after the hearing.

00:03:50.600 So this is not going to drop until after the hearing.

00:03:54.720 I will tell you that what normally would happen is exactly what is happening,

00:04:00.060 which is the commissioners go through and have a conversation with Eric.

00:04:04.060 They are asking Eric about the crime.

00:04:06.660 They are asking Eric about the sexual abuse.

00:04:10.080 They're asking Eric about things that, questions, so to speak,

00:04:14.160 that a lot of people in the public might have anyway about the crime.

00:04:18.220 What did you do afterwards? Why did you have to do this? Why did you have to do that?

00:04:22.540 They are not softball questions.

00:04:25.920 I think you could characterize it as a grilling.

00:04:29.040 And what will end up happening is they will go all the way through the crime itself,

00:04:34.440 which I can tell you as we're taping this, it appears that they have done,

00:04:38.040 and then they will focus on what has happened in the prison since that time.

00:04:42.940 And yesterday, we're taping this on the 21st, yesterday, August 20th,

00:04:48.140 was 36 years to the day from the crime.

00:04:52.440 36 years, if you can believe it.

00:04:54.260 And they have been in custody since then.

00:04:56.160 And I will prognosticate that they will go through all the minutiae of that 30-some-odd years

00:05:04.860 that they've been in the prison.

00:05:05.880 Because remember, they were in the L.A. County Jail.

00:05:09.000 Not only were their two trials sandwiched between the O.J. trial,

00:05:14.460 and that's always been my argument,

00:05:16.220 that the second trial started eight days after O.J.'s acquittal,

00:05:19.820 and so that's why you saw the judge do all the things that he,

00:05:23.240 shenanigans that he did.

00:05:24.300 But remember, while they were waiting during those two trials,

00:05:27.740 they were in the L.A. County Jail where O.J. was.

00:05:31.300 In fact, there's a lot of people who tell the story that Leslie Abramson

00:05:37.780 was responsible for Johnny Cochran representing O.J.

00:05:43.720 And Leslie, of course, was the lawyer for Eric Menendez,

00:05:49.020 both in trials one and two.

00:05:50.820 We will have, by the time this drops, a decision,

00:05:54.980 because at the end of the hearing,

00:05:57.080 when they've finished asking all the questions,

00:05:59.040 the victims will all weigh in.

00:06:01.460 This is one of those incredibly unicorn-like situations

00:06:05.940 where all of the relatives of the defendant are also the victims,

00:06:11.560 and they are uniformly asking that they be released.

00:06:15.280 The two, you'll get closing statements,

00:06:18.120 and then they'll retire.

00:06:19.500 The two commissioners will actually deliberate

00:06:22.400 and announce their decision today.

00:06:25.780 That's incredible.

00:06:26.780 Can we read the tea leaves?

00:06:28.240 Because I think there is a buzz.

00:06:30.760 And correct me if I'm wrong.

00:06:32.220 I think the buzz is on the side of the brothers.

00:06:36.460 Is that correct?

00:06:37.300 Has anything changed?

00:06:38.520 And are you a fly on the wall in there,

00:06:41.300 or did you get to prepare them?

00:06:43.100 Tell us what you're feeling.

00:06:45.460 Look, my feeling is if anybody ever deserved to be paroled,

00:06:49.500 it would be these two.

00:06:51.020 I have been down to R.J. Donovan.

00:06:53.580 I have seen the hospice program.

00:06:55.460 I've told people, I watched Lyle graduate in the first class

00:06:59.940 that was UC, University of California, Irvine,

00:07:03.200 in conjunction with the Department of Corrections

00:07:05.660 for a graduate degree, Bachelor of Arts in Sociology.

00:07:09.800 It was, I watched that class of 22,

00:07:12.200 and I watched the valedictorian, who was not Lyle,

00:07:16.960 but a kid, a young kid who was there as a third grader,

00:07:21.220 illegal alien, as you want to be called,

00:07:25.280 give that, basically grew up in prison.

00:07:28.500 And I've watched and interacted with these people.

00:07:31.080 I've seen the murals.

00:07:32.160 I've seen Lyle's Green Space Project.

00:07:34.520 You watch the hospice program, which is very much moving.

00:07:38.660 You know, here in California,

00:07:39.800 we were on the vanguard in the 90s of lock them all up.

00:07:43.240 Well, one of the things about locking up

00:07:45.360 all of this young population is they age.

00:07:49.100 And by now, they are truly an aging elderly population 1.00

00:07:53.480 in the prison, and Eric's hospice program deals with that.

00:07:58.220 So, yeah, they really did some pretty remarkable things

00:08:01.500 behind bars, and they've had three decades to do that.

00:08:05.020 I get it.

00:08:05.600 But after today, the cases, once both hearings are done,

00:08:10.260 the cases are going to land on Governor Newsom's desk,

00:08:14.240 if I'm correct.

00:08:15.420 And I think we have a SOT, if we could place SOT zero.

00:08:19.440 He's giving a statement to a reporter

00:08:21.720 in his pure GQ fashion.

00:08:23.760 Let's take a look at that.

00:08:25.940 We're just a few weeks away, August 21st and 2nd,

00:08:30.040 I think, where the Pro Board is going to make a decision

00:08:34.280 and make a recommendation.

00:08:35.820 To you.

00:08:36.240 It lands on my desk.

00:08:37.320 Right.

00:08:38.360 Mr. Murphy.

00:08:39.060 That's heavy stuff.

00:08:40.260 It's heavy stuff.

00:08:41.540 And you know what?

00:08:42.780 Intentionally, and I remember that conversation with you,

00:08:45.060 I remember going back, and I kept having a temptation

00:08:47.940 to want to see it, but with the recognition always

00:08:50.600 in the back of my mind that this thing may land on my desk,

00:08:53.640 I don't want to be persuaded by something that's not in the files.

00:08:58.760 Yeah, I get that.

00:09:01.700 Guys, I apologize.

00:09:02.600 He was speaking to Ryan Murphy, who was the creator

00:09:06.420 of the Netflix series, Monsters, the Lyle and Eric Menendez story.

00:09:11.360 But still, what do you think, Mark?

00:09:13.200 You think he's going to rubber stamp this a go?

00:09:16.520 Well, I've had my issues with Governor Newsom

00:09:19.800 on parolees and getting favorable rulings and him reversing it in the past.

00:09:28.440 I have about as good a feeling as one can have, having said that,

00:09:34.240 that if they get the ruling they deserve, that he's not going to stand in the way.

00:09:39.160 In fact, I would probably urge him, and this is a nuance maybe you guys can appreciate,

00:09:44.220 we also have a live habeas.

00:09:46.900 If they get parole, that habeas is still alive, so to speak.

00:09:54.000 If he grants clemency, meaning he just says, that's it, you're not under state control anymore,

00:10:01.860 that habeas arguably goes away.

00:10:04.420 So it'll be very interesting to see what he does in the event that we get the ruling we think we

00:10:09.900 deserve, and that he says, I don't need to wait the 120 days, I'm convinced at this point,

00:10:16.820 because I think that's what will happen.

00:10:18.560 Yeah, it doesn't sound like he's going to take a whole lot of time.

00:10:22.500 Dave, you've been following the case, too.

00:10:24.220 Do you think these guys have a good chance at, I don't know,

00:10:27.560 what are they going to do for a living when they get sprung, if they get sprung?

00:10:31.260 Oh, they'll make lots of money.

00:10:33.020 First off, they've got a great lawyer, Mark Garagos,

00:10:36.500 and I have a lot of respect for my friend, Mark.

00:10:38.500 We just happen to be on different sides of this one.

00:10:40.740 I was just going to say, that is, by the way, that's the, that's the, 0.99

00:10:44.340 I'm about to bend you over, Mark, and kick you in the head, so. 0.97

00:10:48.920 Oh, man, I remember when these guys were on trial, 0.99

00:10:51.780 and their lawyer dressed them in that, in those sweaters to make themselves look so angelic.

00:10:57.800 Meanwhile, they had such brutal, they committed such brutal murders

00:11:00.440 that law enforcement at the time thought it was a mob hit.

00:11:03.040 There was so much blood on the scene.

00:11:04.360 They shot Kitty 10 times.

00:11:07.220 They had to go outside and reload the shotgun because she was crawling away, 1.00

00:11:11.080 and they wanted to finish her off and then shot her in the head. 1.00

00:11:13.600 And then they went on a shopping spree, a spending spree.

00:11:16.040 You can see them on the back of Mark Jackson's NBA card.

00:11:19.200 He's dribbling in the back.

00:11:20.360 There they are in the front row seats of the Knicks.

00:11:22.000 So I guess people grieve in different ways.

00:11:24.440 Well, let me, let me disabuse you, Dave, of a couple of things.

00:11:28.020 First of all, the Mark Jackson card, I don't believe is them,

00:11:30.700 although it does kind of look like them.

00:11:33.080 I'll give you that.

00:11:33.680 Number two, the grand jury here, twice rejected, and you know how hard that is,

00:11:39.560 twice rejected the financial motive.

00:11:41.860 And number three, I've always said about the why, Kitty,

00:11:44.720 besides the fact that that shows that there's a whole lot of rage there,

00:11:48.440 Eric has testified, by the way,

00:11:50.600 and Lyle is the one who testified about going out to reload.

00:11:54.620 Nobody would know that but for Lyle's testimony in trial number one.

00:11:58.900 And number three, doesn't that, or number four,

00:12:01.400 doesn't that speak to the amount of rage they had in, I think, corroborate Eric,

00:12:06.240 who said he had found out that his mother was protecting his father all this time,

00:12:10.460 which we now know from the resentencing earlier this year.

00:12:13.640 She was also the enforcer of the hallway rule. 0.53

00:12:16.400 And Dave, I don't know about you, but I know if somebody was saying,

00:12:21.600 I'm down the hall with my sons and the wife is saying you can't go down the hall

00:12:27.160 and I'm enforcing that rule, that would be incredibly peculiar to me

00:12:32.080 and be an earmark or a red flag for something that's going on.

00:12:36.120 Then you, you know, and I mentioned the habeas,

00:12:38.760 then you layer over that, the Roy Rosello declaration from Menudo, 0.87

00:12:43.440 who says, Jose raped me also and felt safe enough to do it in his house.

00:12:48.960 I think when you look at all of that and you've got the clear pronouncement in the law

00:12:54.940 that resentencing is appropriate, which the judge found,

00:12:58.320 even in spite of our elected DA kind of throwing a hissy fit,

00:13:03.500 if there was ever anybody who should be out, it should be Eric and Lyle.

00:13:08.580 Well, I was going to say that sounds like the arguments that are probably all within the habeas.

00:13:17.660 Yes. Yes.

00:13:19.080 Yeah. In the habeas, you've got that.

00:13:21.940 And then you've got this other kind of tragic piece of evidence,

00:13:25.720 which was Eric's letter to his cousin, Andy, who testified in the first trial.

00:13:30.760 And it was eight months before the killings.

00:13:33.620 And he talks about how disturbed he was by his dad coming in and making him do it again.

00:13:38.380 And how it's a hard thing for him to kind of keep or secret to keep and everything else.

00:13:46.400 I think, and by the way, the DA threw all of the Dave, he wasn't as articulate as Ehrenberg,

00:13:53.280 but apologies to Habib and to Seth, who were the deputies who filed it.

00:13:58.260 But they threw all of that at Judge Ryan already, once in response to the informal,

00:14:04.320 twice in response to the formal request.

00:14:07.400 And still, there's an order out there that we made a prima facie case.

00:14:12.900 So they're worried.

00:14:14.540 I mean, the DA's office is worried, and rightfully so, that the conviction is at risk.

00:14:19.560 Oh, I think they're going to get out early.

00:14:21.500 There's too much momentum.

00:14:22.420 They've got great lawyers, meaning Mark Garagos and team.

00:14:25.220 Also, it's nice to have Kim Kardashian and Netflix on your side.

00:14:28.080 I mean, there's a lot of momentum here.

00:14:29.300 And that's why they're going to make lots of money when they get out,

00:14:31.700 which is another reason why I don't think they should.

00:14:33.720 But here's the thing about the sex abuse.

00:14:36.000 Yeah, there is some evidence, the Menudo letter, the cousin letter,

00:14:39.040 that maybe there was with Jose.

00:14:40.560 Although, keep in mind, the stories changed.

00:14:43.220 Eric and Lyle weren't consistent that there was sex abuse.

00:14:45.440 In fact, after the murders, Eric confessed to his therapist, the guy,

00:14:49.500 and you know this, Mark, Jerome Oziel,

00:14:51.920 that he had killed his parents out of a desire to be free from his controlling father

00:14:56.980 and his father's high standards, but not because of abuse.

00:15:01.680 So the stories changed over time.

00:15:04.420 And so, and then it doesn't, to me, change the fact that they murdered Kitty,

00:15:09.700 who maybe was an enabler.

00:15:12.260 She was married to a guy who was cheating on her, 1.00

00:15:14.940 who was a pretty bad husband and father.

00:15:17.360 And she had her own issues and mental health issues, 1.00

00:15:20.520 but did she deserve to be murdered in the way that she did? 0.67

00:15:23.040 They were both apparently sitting on their couch with their backs turned,

00:15:25.920 watching TV, eating ice cream.

00:15:27.560 So I think there are some crimes that should fulfill the destiny of life in prison.

00:15:32.380 Life in prison means life in prison.

00:15:33.800 And there are a lot of people in prison right now who were probably just as good,

00:15:37.960 just as model of a prisoner, who did a lot less, and they're not getting out.

00:15:42.440 Well, actually, we put on it, the resentencing, we put on X-Rated,

00:15:46.680 who's one of my favorite names, if not witnesses.

00:15:50.380 And X-Rated testified that he went to Menendez University and turned his life around

00:15:55.760 and spent a lot less time on a murder case and was released.

00:16:00.140 And he was a very compelling witness, number one.

00:16:02.540 And since that time, he's posted pictures of him with his children

00:16:06.200 and the fact that the Menendez brothers were instrumental in him turning his life around.

00:16:10.680 And by the way, just to respond to some of those things,

00:16:15.580 you know, when people say, what about Kitty?

00:16:17.440 You know what I have?

00:16:17.980 My response is, I've never had a case, actually one case, a murder case,

00:16:23.020 where the victim's family was fully in support of my client.

00:16:30.080 Well, in this case, you not only have all of the victim's family in support,

00:16:34.180 you've got Jose's older sister, Terry, and you've got Kitty's older sister, Joan,

00:16:39.720 both of whom are hanging on with extreme health challenges

00:16:43.840 because all they want in life is to have these boys out, the brothers out.

00:16:49.020 I always call them the boys because like Dave, I was much younger when this went on.

00:16:53.120 But the fact that the two sisters, who are the ones who have the position,

00:16:59.620 and especially Kitty, Joan was, she was so much older than Kitty

00:17:04.100 that she almost testified under oath that she had almost a maternal role in her life,

00:17:09.320 that if they're saying we want them out, they've made amends and I've forgiven them,

00:17:13.020 then who are we, whose interest are we vindicating at this point

00:17:16.340 when we argue, no, keep them in, lock them up for life?

00:17:19.820 And by the way, Judge Jessic, who gave them and resentenced them

00:17:23.080 and gave them this opportunity back in May, he heard all of this stuff.

00:17:27.660 He heard hours and hours of the DAs talking about this.

00:17:31.860 And ironically, one of those DAs who will remain nameless

00:17:35.160 because I consider him a friend and I don't want to slam him,

00:17:38.260 is now in the sex unit.

00:17:39.620 And I told him and I said on the record, and I probably shouldn't have,

00:17:42.720 I would take his next defense case pro bono

00:17:46.800 because I want to be there to remind the jury that the DA's office is prosecuting cases

00:17:52.360 where victims of sex crimes, stories change over time.

00:17:57.060 And yet this DA's office is saying if you don't testify perfectly when you're the victim,

00:18:02.100 that you should be disregarded, which is a first cousin of Dave's argument.

00:18:05.960 So I tend to be a lot more forgiving in these kinds of situations.

00:18:09.960 And I think this is a unicorn and they should be out.

00:18:13.320 And anybody else similarly situated, the fame cuts both ways, would have been out by now.

00:18:18.360 I think, I think the family support is going to be a huge factor for the parole board.

00:18:24.340 I also, I'm willing to bet five bucks they're getting out.

00:18:27.620 And I'm not, I'm not going to be offended by it.

00:18:29.600 I'm kind of in your camp, but we're going to, we're going to pivot now to a,

00:18:34.720 what I think is going to amount to be a really horrible case.

00:18:38.740 The case of missing baby Emanuel Harrow, who's now been missing for,

00:18:43.820 what are we up to?

00:18:44.920 Over a week at this point.

00:18:47.320 Um, uh, you guys might know, gosh, this poor kid, he's seven months old, right?

00:18:54.480 Look at him.

00:18:54.880 There's his picture.

00:18:55.800 He just disappears.

00:18:57.580 Apparently, according to the mother, she was changing his diaper in a parking lot.

00:19:02.900 Cause I guess that's, that's what you do from time to time.

00:19:06.040 Somebody approached her, said, hola, hit her over the head, knocks her out. 1.00

00:19:11.500 When she comes to her baby's gone.

00:19:15.460 Let's, let's, let's hear it straight from her mouth for a minute.

00:19:18.160 Let's run.

00:19:18.940 I think it's sought one.

00:19:21.480 I got him out of the car seat and I laid him down and so I could get his diapers ready.

00:19:28.900 And somebody said, hola, and that's all I remember.

00:19:31.860 And I, I saw, I saw white.

00:19:34.640 And the hearing sound, I, I fell on the floor and I, and I said, as I got up, I couldn't find my son.

00:19:43.160 I checked all the, around my truck and I ran into big five and I asked the lady if she saw a baby or someone with the baby. 0.86

00:19:52.100 She said, no.

00:19:53.180 It was a happy boy.

00:19:54.280 He, he, he smiled.

00:19:57.520 Mackenzie loved to kiss him.

00:20:01.580 Dave, do you believe that?

00:20:04.780 Are these crocodile tears, real tears?

00:20:07.220 What do you think?

00:20:08.260 I don't believe her.

00:20:09.140 And I think her shiner under her eye gives it away because according to witnesses who have posted on social media,

00:20:16.740 she showed up with that shiner before there was the incident that didn't apparently exist, although maybe, 1.00

00:20:23.840 and also she was not with her child.

00:20:27.080 So this is someone who I think is acting and that's just my belief based on what I saw.

00:20:32.600 Also, it reminds me of Susan Smith. 0.93

00:20:34.620 She did the same thing, pulled the same act and threw in the same casual racism where it was the black kids who stole her kids. 1.00

00:20:42.000 And then it turned out she was the one who drove them into the body of water here. 0.93

00:20:46.940 She puts in a little bit of the, hola, so you put that out there into the body public to poison the well. 1.00

00:20:53.500 And so, no, I think the walls are closing in on her and her husband.

00:20:57.160 And there is obviously not an indictment, not a charge yet.

00:21:01.660 We are speculating.

00:21:03.220 But the evidence doesn't look good.

00:21:05.060 They have lawyered up apparently.

00:21:06.760 And when people are trying to help them find their children, the father has told these individuals that they are trespassing.

00:21:15.620 That's not how people would act if they were innocent.

00:21:18.960 That's not how people would act if they really cared about the well-being of their children,

00:21:22.720 especially one last point when you have the father who has a past of beating up a toddler.

00:21:28.500 Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.

00:21:29.940 And interestingly, I also thought about the Susan Smith case and the Harmony Montgomery case when I was reading about this one.

00:21:36.940 And the father, apparently he beat the crap out of one of his other children, so much so that that child got taken away from him.

00:21:47.060 I don't know why the father's not in jail, number one.

00:21:50.840 But you mentioned he was trying to shoo-shoo away bystanders who wanted to help look for the child.

00:21:58.660 Can we roll side two?

00:22:14.840 Hey, are you Jake?

00:22:17.140 You guys are trespassing.

00:22:18.360 That's fine, I just wanted to see if we could help you in any way, talk to you about what happened.

00:22:23.400 You guys are trespassing.

00:22:24.400 Okay, that's not a problem.

00:22:25.840 Thank you, Jake.

00:22:26.520 Thank you.

00:22:26.820 Appreciate it.

00:22:27.380 Hey, bro, I have a guy's cool shirt, bro.

00:22:28.400 I'm into Pokemon myself, where I collect as well.

00:22:31.280 You're trespassing.

00:22:32.960 All right, guys.

00:22:34.180 He will refuse to talk.

00:22:36.380 But there you go.

00:22:37.020 You heard, Jake.

00:22:38.560 He clams up and refuses to talk.

00:22:41.120 But at least he opened the door.

00:22:42.580 Mark, this guy pleaded guilty to willful child cruelty back in 2018.

00:22:54.060 And now he doesn't want any help looking for his missing seven-month-old.

00:22:58.980 What do you make of it?

00:22:59.860 You know, a hat tip to Megan Kelly, former lawyer and investigator extraordinaire. 0.97

00:23:08.620 At her behest, I had somebody look at a file out here in California.

00:23:14.900 And I will tell you, I won't step on any of it.

00:23:18.200 I will tell you, if I represented him, I would not have had him answering the door.

00:23:26.480 There are some rather, if you're, I can tell you right now, having looked at a civil file

00:23:33.380 involving this gentleman, the police have already got enough probable cause, in my opinion,

00:23:42.360 to take the next step.

00:23:44.220 In addition to that, there was a restraining order against him recently that was denied.

00:23:53.740 But some of the allegations connected to that are extremely disturbing.

00:23:59.320 And if he is not good for this, if in fact the story is true, he's going to have every

00:24:07.500 incentive in the world to want to find out who really did this.

00:24:11.280 Because I'm going to tell you, his history, and I know you're not supposed to normally

00:24:18.020 look at all that, but his history is extremely troubling for something like this, especially

00:24:25.180 given what you cited, or actually it was Dave.

00:24:28.540 The black and blue mark, the missing, the story beforehand.

00:24:34.960 I mean, if you take a look at this civil file, which my partner just did this morning, I think

00:24:40.680 there's going to be some revelations that are going to have the people worked up into a

00:24:46.660 feeding frenzy.

00:24:47.680 So if you're this guy, you want your kid found and found immediately and somebody else to be

00:24:54.260 the perpetrator.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, I, you know, look, I'm a criminal defense attorney too, but this story stinks.

00:25:02.600 I don't believe it.

00:25:03.680 I don't believe their affect.

00:25:05.260 I don't believe their words.

00:25:06.560 I don't believe anything about it.

00:25:08.700 So I won't be surprised when somebody gets, and probably both parents could get indicted

00:25:13.200 in the not too distant future.

00:25:15.240 But we're going to move on yet again because there's so much.

00:25:19.000 This is an amazing docket we have going on today because next we have jury selection,

00:25:24.360 which I think is going to wrap up very soon in the case against Donna Adelson in your neck

00:25:30.720 of the words, your neck of the words, your neck of the woods, Dave.

00:25:35.580 And you also have a pretty personal connection to this case because the victim in this case

00:25:41.640 was Dan Markell was a friend of yours.

00:25:45.880 Yeah, Danny was a great guy.

00:25:47.060 When I was a state senator, I knew him in Tallahassee.

00:25:49.500 He was a law professor.

00:25:50.940 He also went to Harvard Law School.

00:25:52.660 And instead of making the big money out there in the private world, he went and became a

00:25:57.080 law professor in a smallish town because he cared deeply about students.

00:26:01.920 And he was a prominent professor nationally.

00:26:04.600 He got well known for his writings and he loved his children so much.

00:26:08.820 And it was his love for his children that led to his demise, his targeted murder, because

00:26:14.840 he refused in a child custody dispute with his ex-wife to give up custody to allow the

00:26:21.320 kids to move from Tallahassee all the way down eight hours away to South Florida, where the

00:26:26.200 in-laws wanted the kids. 0.99

00:26:27.800 They even bribed him, said, we'll give you a million dollars if you allow it.

00:26:31.240 But he cared more about being with his children than the money.

00:26:33.780 And then eventually the family, because the son, Charlie, is now in prison for it, the

00:26:39.520 family had him killed.

00:26:41.100 And now Donna's day of reckoning is upon us.

00:26:44.260 It's upon us.

00:26:45.340 And I don't know.

00:26:46.340 It's not looking good for her either, especially since we know she tried to leave with a one-way

00:26:51.680 ticket to Vietnam because she needed some R&R.

00:26:55.600 Not exactly the place I think of if I want, you know, a spa day.

00:27:00.700 And also, I have so many questions about this case, and I don't know if it'll come up in

00:27:04.380 the trial, but why isn't Wendy Adelson charged with anything, the actual mother of these children 0.90

00:27:13.260 who she wanted to abscond to Southern Florida? 0.94

00:27:16.420 Next, Kohlberger and Adelson.

00:27:19.020 If you have any questions or comments for us, you can now email mktruecrime at devilmadecaremedia.com.

00:27:25.600 We would love to hear from you.

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00:28:36.560 Okay, welcome back.

00:28:38.460 We are actually going to continue first with a little more on Donna Adelson because as you

00:28:43.520 know, that trial is about to start any day now.

00:28:47.140 We thought it might start later this afternoon, but that's probably not going to happen.

00:28:52.180 They are in the middle of jury selection in that case.

00:28:56.280 And I have to remind everybody that Donald Adelson, who is the mother of Wendy and Charlie,

00:29:02.820 she's 75 years old.

00:29:04.620 So wouldn't you know, the prosecutor in this case was asking the jury whether or not they

00:29:10.840 would be okay with convicting a grandma. 1.00

00:29:14.840 Let's run that thought, that's 6A.

00:29:18.020 Can it look like your grandmother?

00:29:20.580 My young people?

00:29:22.880 I'm five.

00:29:24.340 Can a killer look like a granny? 1.00

00:29:25.820 I mean, it's all you in picture, but like anyone who's capable of like, has a classic control.

00:29:35.040 You could keep an open mind to the possibility that a grandmother could be a killer.

00:29:43.580 Well, Dave.

00:29:45.380 Oh, sure, Mark.

00:29:46.120 I have a question, Dave.

00:29:48.320 Since you're down there, you're a friend, you're in the mix.

00:29:52.680 I heard something.

00:29:54.100 I can be completely wrong.

00:29:56.000 And that's why I want you to educate me.

00:29:57.940 Was she offered a time-served deal?

00:29:59.960 There was a rumor recently that the prosecutors offered Donna time-served, meaning you can 0.98

00:30:06.680 walk free if you turn on Wendy, if you testify against Wendy.

00:30:10.040 The prosecutors came out right afterwards to say that is not true.

00:30:13.640 But they didn't deny there was a plea offer made.

00:30:16.040 They just said that what you heard is not true.

00:30:18.380 So no, I don't think they'll let her walk in exchange for giving up Wendy.

00:30:21.640 But by the way, Donna is not giving up Wendy anyways.

00:30:24.540 It's the thing that Donna cares most about in the world are her grandkids, and she gives

00:30:28.780 up Wendy.

00:30:29.260 Well, there goes the mother and the father.

00:30:31.180 And she's also, in my mind, such a narcissist that she believes she did nothing wrong, just

00:30:36.760 like her son, who also tried to convince the jury by taking the stand and coming up with

00:30:41.280 this ridiculous double extortion scheme, this defense double extortion, which we can get

00:30:47.440 into.

00:30:48.720 But the jury rejected it outright.

00:30:50.520 And I think that's going to be Donna's fate as well.

00:30:52.740 And I'm looking forward to it.

00:30:55.540 Does Dave Ehrenberg Law, do they do criminal defense?

00:31:00.460 Yes, actually do, which is funny because here I am, I've still been a prosecutor for the

00:31:04.900 past 12 years.

00:31:05.220 I was going to say, I have an expression for guys like you.

00:31:08.560 You never left the office.

00:31:11.640 And I tease you because you were a hell of a prosecutor, and it's great that you're not

00:31:17.020 in the office anymore.

00:31:18.060 But having said that, my father, who was my hero and was a prosecutor for many years before

00:31:24.960 he came to his senses and started doing criminal defense, he used to say, when they offer you

00:31:29.980 low-term state prison, they basically know their case is not very good.

00:31:34.600 When they offer you county jail, they know they don't have a case.

00:31:37.960 And when they offer you time served, you're factually innocent.

00:31:40.540 So I'll just, I'll leave it to him.

00:31:43.620 You know, I like that theory, but I got to disagree.

00:31:46.900 I don't think Donna Adelson has a prayer of a not guilty. 0.99

00:31:53.100 I mean, it's just too, the thing I keep hearkening back to is, this is what I don't

00:31:56.580 understand in this case.

00:31:58.660 Wendy's not indicted, nothing.

00:32:01.020 She's just out floating around out there.

00:32:03.180 Why would a granny and her son concoct this plan to stop the children from being with 1.00

00:32:11.960 their father without the involvement of the children's mother?

00:32:18.040 Just to me, I don't understand.

00:32:19.920 Why are they protecting her if they are?

00:32:22.100 Weren't there wiretaps or phones tapped in this case?

00:32:26.840 I know they had some conversations from jail.

00:32:31.920 They had, yeah.

00:32:32.500 Yeah, I think they're, I suspect, call me a cynic, I suspect that there is evidence that

00:32:40.280 if they brought charges against her, would end up backfiring on them as, you know, I hate

00:32:47.080 to be this cynic when it comes to prosecutors.

00:32:49.480 I think otherwise, if you're a prosecutor like the ones I deal with, with great frequency,

00:32:55.440 the way to get a plea out of Donna Adelson was indict or file on both of them, the mother 0.88

00:33:02.360 and the daughter, because, you know, the only difference between a prosecutor and a mob 0.78

00:33:06.640 boss is that the mob bosses spare the women and children. 0.80

00:33:12.200 In defense of Georgia Kaplman, who you heard in that great voir dire, and who's done a great

00:33:17.620 job in this case, by going one after the next, they've been able to develop new evidence.

00:33:23.020 So, for example, the reason why they've got Donna, I think, is because they have that

00:33:27.060 incredible circumstantial evidence, consciousness of guilt, that she was trying to flee on the

00:33:31.340 one-way ticket to a non-extraditable country, Vietnam, and they even have that video, and

00:33:36.220 that's going to be so damning.

00:33:37.380 And the only reason why they had that was because they first got her son, who was found

00:33:41.560 guilty and then sentenced to life in prison.

00:33:44.000 That is what led Donna to flee.

00:33:46.540 And I suspect when they got Donna's phone because of that arrest, they got other damning

00:33:50.540 evidence that could be used against Wendy.

00:33:52.500 So if Donna is convicted, I do think Wendy is next.

00:33:55.620 And here's the video of her.

00:33:57.080 She was about to board the plane.

00:33:58.560 She was literally on the skywalk to the airplane when the cops got her because someone told them

00:34:06.160 that she was about to flee and got her just in time.

00:34:08.580 Just in time.

00:34:10.660 And I know we're going to be talking about this case a lot more when the actual trial

00:34:14.580 kicks off.

00:34:15.280 So we're going to pivot again and talk about Brian Koberger.

00:34:20.600 But this is a little unusual.

00:34:23.140 Brian Koberger has been in prison now, not very, I mean, he's been in jail, but now he's

00:34:27.480 in prison.

00:34:27.860 And he wasn't there very long before he filed a sexual harassment complaint.

00:34:34.840 Now, look, prison is prison.

00:34:38.500 And as one of the victim's sisters, you know, plainly said during his sentencing hearing,

00:34:44.480 you know, don't drop the soap, you know, basically.

00:34:48.400 And here he is complaining that he's getting harassed in prison.

00:34:52.020 Mark, take this one.

00:34:53.540 What do you think?

00:34:54.740 Does he have a shot at getting moved for sexual harassment?

00:34:57.360 He's obviously not listening to his lawyer's advice, wouldn't you say?

00:35:01.220 I mean, there's the, this is not a, this is not a way I sometimes tell clients this.

00:35:07.320 This is not a winning strategy.

00:35:09.180 I'll leave it at that.

00:35:11.300 Yeah.

00:35:11.880 And they always, Dave, I mean, we know people, he's starting early.

00:35:15.420 He's going to be in prison for the rest of his natural life.

00:35:18.380 My prediction is he's going to die in prison, obviously, and it won't be of old age.

00:35:23.760 He's not going to do well there.

00:35:25.840 But, you know, we see prisoners all the time.

00:35:28.280 They write these weird motions on the toilet paper and they try to file them and they usually go nowhere.

00:35:33.360 What do you think about this one? 0.99

00:35:35.580 This guy's trash. 1.00

00:35:37.020 You know, you see him with his red hands in the video we saw of him behind bars, that surreptitious video. 0.99

00:35:42.900 And that's because he washes his hands like a hundred times a day to the point where he irritates his hands.

00:35:48.640 He's got like OCD for this stuff.

00:35:50.220 So he's all in the cleanliness.

00:35:51.840 That doesn't jive well in a prison setting.

00:35:55.080 I mean, here's a guy who's going to complain perhaps at mealtime because the fish isn't fresh.

00:36:00.020 He is going to complain to the warden about every little thing, which actually I sort of like because I do think he got off easy.

00:36:06.800 I thought that he should have faced a death penalty.

00:36:09.040 If he doesn't face a death penalty, then who does?

00:36:11.260 Who deserves it then?

00:36:11.980 So, yeah, in that sense, I'm not going to shed any tears for this sociopath wannabe serial killer.

00:36:18.340 Yeah, me neither.

00:36:19.420 But just as an homage to the victim's family, can we just run SOT 9 because it's a classic.

00:36:26.300 Quick message from our youngest daughter.

00:36:29.520 Aubrey wanted to say, you may have received A's in high school and college, but you're going to be getting big D's in prison.

00:36:38.400 Thank you.

00:36:48.120 People are clapping.

00:36:50.180 They're clapping.

00:36:51.720 You know what?

00:36:52.320 I'm glad she sounded off the way she did.

00:36:55.000 And I don't blame her one bit.

00:36:58.140 And all right.

00:36:59.080 So let's move on to our next case, which is it doesn't involve murder.

00:37:04.760 So that's good.

00:37:05.480 Kevin Costner, though, Kevin Costner has filed a motion to dismiss in a case that was filed against him.

00:37:13.300 And again, now this one smacks of the recent Blake Lively versus Baldoni.

00:37:21.360 Like there is a problem on set.

00:37:23.200 Apparently, Mark may know a whole more about this than I do.

00:37:27.020 But Kevin Costner filed a motion to dismiss because someone filed a motion against him for having a sexually charged rape scene that was sprung upon her during the filming of a movie.

00:37:40.940 Mark, take this one away.

00:37:43.440 Well, I don't know about this.

00:37:47.160 I have so many issues with this.

00:37:49.300 I'm not so sure I buy how how this is being kind of spun, so to speak.

00:37:57.060 And by the way, at its core, all of this is about spinning and something that happens quite a bit.

00:38:03.640 So count me in the doubtful camp.

00:38:08.520 You know, it's weird, Dave, because we're still the case against Baldoni and and Blake Lively and the back and forth that they have was the first time I really heard of a an intimacy coordinator.

00:38:20.000 Didn't know that that was a thing, but apparently it is.

00:38:22.540 But also, you know, when you are an actor, an actress and you sign your lucrative contract, in this case, it was a stunt woman and her name is Devin Labella.

00:38:34.580 She was a stunt woman for Ella Hunt on set of this movie.

00:38:37.740 Don't you know, like you read the scripts, you know what's going on.

00:38:40.900 You sign on the dotted line.

00:38:43.740 Why do you then get to complain for for doing your job?

00:38:48.520 Well, she's maintaining that the actor went too far, not Costner, but whoever was filming that rape scene with her.

00:38:56.900 And it wasn't even a scene that was on camera.

00:38:59.400 This was in preparation for the the pre scene, I guess.

00:39:03.820 It gets a little confusing, but I'm with Mark on this one.

00:39:07.080 See, we can agree on something here today.

00:39:08.900 I'm a little I'm a little skeptical because these movies have these paid intimacy coordinators.

00:39:15.080 They're there for a reason to prevent something like this from happening, to be the witness in case there is an allegation and to stop something like this from happening.

00:39:24.140 So the fact that she is now raising it as she said, he said, with no evidence other than her own words.

00:39:30.080 And apparently Kevin Costner is coming up with photos and documentation that shows otherwise.

00:39:35.480 Yeah, I'm not so sure that she's going to win on this one.

00:39:38.500 And just to make it clear, although we're a true crime show, this is not a criminal trial.

00:39:43.300 This is a charge, an allegation, a tort for a civil court, not criminal.

00:39:48.020 And by the way, I've known Kevin Costner for countless years.

00:39:53.760 In fact, he used to live around the corner.

00:39:57.740 Just from a personal standpoint, makes zero sense.

00:40:01.720 So I'm just going to give my own personal view here.

00:40:06.360 Real quick, Mark, what do you think, though, about the text messages that she sent, Devin LaBella sent after she rapped, you know, had a wonderful time.

00:40:15.020 Thanks for the experience.

00:40:16.640 How much weight do you think they'll hold?

00:40:18.120 Look, having just watched the Diddy trial, I will tell you that you can always, after the fact, invent, you know, my therapist told me this, my girlfriends told me this, my boyfriends told me this.

00:40:35.100 But when you have to face your real-time text messages, there's something really compelling about that.

00:40:42.920 And, what, you just came to a realization and somebody just rocked my world and all of a sudden what I thought then was great isn't great anymore.

00:40:53.040 I just think people have kind of moved past that as of late.

00:40:58.680 Yeah.

00:40:59.180 You know, believe the words, right?

00:41:01.820 Believe the words.

00:41:03.080 Exactly.

00:41:04.100 Believe the evidence.

00:41:05.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:07.100 So we're going to take another quick break.

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00:42:22.320 I'm an AG.

00:42:24.820 You guys have heard about this story.

00:42:26.680 An AG, an assistant AG from the great state of Rhode Island was arrested for trespassing.

00:42:35.120 Now, we've got to kind of figure out what happened behind the scenes here.

00:42:38.160 But before we do that, let's just roll the best video of the day.

00:42:44.780 I want you to turn your body cam off.

00:42:46.760 The protocol is that you turn it off.

00:42:48.520 The citizen request is to turn it off.

00:42:50.960 She's a lawyer. 0.86

00:42:51.460 So they want you guys to leave?

00:42:53.420 Yes, we're out.

00:42:54.020 Let's just leave.

00:42:54.760 Let's just make it easy, okay?

00:42:55.660 We're going to leave.

00:42:55.960 We're going to make it easy.

00:42:56.820 No, no.

00:42:57.580 That's not, that's not.

00:42:58.720 I am.

00:42:59.300 Okay.

00:42:59.680 I'm her husband.

00:43:00.180 That's not the point.

00:43:00.700 Can you look at me right now?

00:43:01.840 We'll talk over here, okay?

00:43:03.100 Your protocol is...

00:43:03.960 Can we all talk?

00:43:05.520 Can we all talk?

00:43:06.140 We'll talk over here.

00:43:06.760 They want you to leave.

00:43:07.500 Your protocol is...

00:43:08.560 Can we talk?

00:43:10.520 You guys just want him out?

00:43:11.460 Do you want him trespass?

00:43:12.540 Anything we can do.

00:43:13.840 Trespass, yeah.

00:43:14.560 I just need him.

00:43:15.100 Trespass, get him out.

00:43:16.460 Please.

00:43:16.780 Your protocol is if I ask you to turn off the body cam, you have to turn it off, and

00:43:20.620 that's your protocol. 0.98

00:43:21.700 She's a f***ing lawyer, so she knows. 0.97

00:43:24.100 Well, that's f***ing lawyer stuff, so that's not true. 0.99

00:43:26.280 So we got to go. 0.96

00:43:27.100 No, it is.

00:43:28.400 That's the law.

00:43:29.200 I'm an AG.

00:43:30.220 I'm an AG.

00:43:31.180 Good for you. 0.99

00:43:31.840 I don't give a f***. 0.99

00:43:32.440 Let's go. 0.98

00:43:33.840 We're going.

00:43:35.100 Let's go.

00:43:35.600 We're leaving.

00:43:36.420 Please don't put your hands on us.

00:43:38.500 Can you get your children out of your...

00:43:39.780 I don't know why it's not like that.

00:43:41.340 I'm sorry, Wyatt.

00:43:42.180 What's your first night?

00:43:43.340 All right.

00:43:44.300 All right.

00:43:45.080 All right.

00:43:45.720 No, no, no.

00:43:46.500 Don't.

00:43:47.080 You're just being detained.

00:43:48.360 You're just being detained.

00:43:49.160 I'm an AG.

00:43:50.060 He's an AG.

00:43:50.720 I'm an AG.

00:43:52.200 I'm an AG.

00:43:54.920 What are you...

00:43:55.460 What's wrong with you?

00:43:56.940 What are you a probable class of detainy for?

00:43:59.020 You're being detained because you're not leaving.

00:44:00.760 Because I'm what?

00:44:02.520 You have probably...

00:44:03.740 Can you relax?

00:44:04.680 Sir, sir, she's not doing anything wrong.

00:44:06.780 You're AG.

00:44:07.360 She's not leaving.

00:44:08.280 I'm an AG.

00:44:08.940 She's an AG.

00:44:12.740 Buddy, you're going to regret this.

00:44:14.560 Yeah.

00:44:15.300 You're going to regret it.

00:44:17.400 I'm an AG.

00:44:19.180 Oh, yeah.

00:44:21.200 I'm sorry.

00:44:22.640 It's not really funny, but I'm just...

00:44:25.100 It is funny.

00:44:25.800 Come on.

00:44:26.500 It is funny.

00:44:27.880 I'm an AG.

00:44:28.760 I'm going to start going around going...

00:44:30.200 I'm an OG.

00:44:31.080 I'm an OG.

00:44:32.180 But me...

00:44:33.580 But you know what I love about this?

00:44:35.300 And I have a...

00:44:36.420 I love Rhode Island.

00:44:38.940 By the way, I have many friends there.

00:44:41.020 I've spent time there.

00:44:42.060 I've got a Rhode Island bar lawyer in my office.

00:44:45.180 And I'm now thinking that if she leaves the AG's office, I want her to head my Rhode Island

00:44:50.820 office.

00:44:51.420 Because she looks like she's a lot of fun. 1.00

00:44:53.740 Mark.

00:44:53.940 I don't know that many prosecutors.

00:44:56.560 You know, back when I was drinking, this is somebody I would have liked to spend some time with.

00:45:00.980 I'm so glad you mentioned that because I actually think she's going to be fired from the AG's office. 0.99

00:45:07.500 And I think she probably should be.

00:45:10.760 And here's the reason why.

00:45:11.800 Look, you're going to go out and get drunk.

00:45:13.640 I get it.

00:45:14.320 But what happened inside that restaurant that made the restaurant call the police and press charges for trespassing?

00:45:21.680 Like, what could have possibly happened in there?

00:45:23.880 And when she told the cop, you're going to regret this, that's where I think she drew a line.

00:45:30.300 Dave.

00:45:31.340 Dave, you're going to hire her when she gets fired from the AG's office?

00:45:35.240 Please.

00:45:35.640 Let me tell you this.

00:45:36.240 First, I don't know if she ever made it into the restaurant.

00:45:38.120 Not sure yet.

00:45:38.800 She just might have been commiserating outside. 0.93

00:45:40.700 But bottom line is this.

00:45:42.060 She's not an AG.

00:45:43.360 She is not an AG.

00:45:44.900 Because I worked for the AG on three separate occasions.

00:45:48.800 You're an assistant attorney general if you work for the AG.

00:45:52.040 She's a special assistant attorney general.

00:45:54.120 She should have said, I'm an S-A-A-G.

00:45:56.600 That would have been actually accurate.

00:45:58.680 In fact, she's not a prosecutor.

00:46:00.480 Can you imagine at that blood alcohol level her having to say, I'm a special assistant AG?

00:46:06.280 That would have been a field sobriety test in and of itself.

00:46:09.840 Well, I mean, the one thing she's not is the boss. 1.00

00:46:12.320 You have to get elected.

00:46:13.300 I know, because I ran for AG in Florida and lost to a woman named Pam Bondi. 1.00

00:46:16.700 You've heard of her.

00:46:17.740 And never once did I ever say, I'm an AG.

00:46:20.480 No, no.

00:46:20.960 You have to win the election first.

00:46:22.220 So she didn't win the election.

00:46:23.820 And this woman is not a prosecutor also in court. 1.00

00:46:27.980 She is an appellate prosecutor, meaning she does the appeals.

00:46:32.260 She doesn't actually see trial court judges.

00:46:34.120 Paper pusher. 0.97

00:46:35.440 What is that?

00:46:35.820 A paper pusher. 0.98

00:46:36.400 He's a paper pusher.

00:46:37.200 I have a lot of respect for my appellate prosecutors in my old office.

00:46:41.200 But this perhaps is why she did not understand the rules on body cams that it's OK.

00:46:46.240 And in fact, they have to keep their body camera on in a situation like this unless the victim says turn it off.

00:46:52.120 Unless there's a domestic violence situation.

00:46:54.620 So this woman was wrong on the law, wrong on her title, a complete embarrassment to her entire profession. 1.00

00:46:59.860 And yes, I know, Mark.

00:47:01.320 I just slipped and said our entire profession because I still do believe I'm there.

00:47:04.800 Oh, my God.

00:47:05.980 I was going to say, you got to leave the office at some point.

00:47:09.720 But by the way, when she leaves the office, she looks like a whole lot of fun. 0.63

00:47:13.700 So I'm here for you.

00:47:15.740 Well, I guess she will be happy to know.

00:47:18.620 What is her name, by the way?

00:47:19.960 Does anybody know her name?

00:47:21.000 Let's give her a shout out. 1.00

00:47:22.200 She's the greatest.

00:47:22.940 Yes, thank you, Devin Flanagan.

00:47:27.620 I'm glad she's going to probably be sending you a resume because, you know, she's going to need to, I think, very soon.

00:47:34.200 She's not an AG.

00:47:35.140 She's an AGG DWI. 0.97

00:47:37.920 That's aggravated DWI.

00:47:39.960 If she's not a 0.15, I'll eat my shoe in Macy's window. 1.00

00:47:43.660 She really embarrassed herself there.

00:47:46.040 And since we're on this, I would like to, if you don't mind, let me kick off closing argument segment of the show with one of my own, which directly relates to this horrific embarrassment that we all just witnessed, if you don't mind, guys.

00:48:03.100 And I want to say this to every young lawyer who is awaiting the bar, who just passed the bar, who's finally become a lawyer.

00:48:12.560 And I know that she was practicing for seven years, but let me harken back.

00:48:18.480 When you take the bar, pass the bar, and get your ticket to practice law and take that ticket and you put it up on your wall in a nice $350 frame because your parents are all proud of you, I want you to remember one thing. 0.99

00:48:31.400 You don't know shit about shit at that point. 0.99

00:48:35.820 Law school does not teach you how to be a lawyer. 1.00

00:48:40.560 Lawyering teaches you how to be a lawyer.

00:48:44.460 And if you want to be a great lawyer, you need to be a good person.

00:48:49.600 What does that mean?

00:48:50.720 That means you have to be a good person, whether you are at the grocery store, pumping gas, watching your kid's soccer game.

00:48:59.020 You are a lawyer all of those times, not just when you're in the office.

00:49:03.900 And certainly, you're a lawyer even when you're at a bar, slamming back some cosmopolitans and talking down to the police officers.

00:49:12.560 That is no way to make your name or your way in our profession.

00:49:19.040 Be a good person.

00:49:20.340 You work on being a great lawyer.

00:49:22.080 That's the only way to do it.

00:49:23.960 It's not a nine to five.

00:49:25.380 That is my rant on that.

00:49:27.680 And I believe, Dave, you got something you want to rant about?

00:49:31.500 Yes.

00:49:31.940 Let's get back to the Adelson case now.

00:49:34.600 I said I'd talk about this alleged extortion plot.

00:49:38.320 That's going to be her defense.

00:49:39.320 She's going to say that the reason why her money got in the hands of the hitman was because the hitman then were trying to extort her son and thus her into paying them.

00:49:48.760 Now, there are so many issues with that.

00:49:50.160 Number one, first off, the money that was handed over to the hitman was washed, literally washed.

00:49:56.580 It was moldy and wet because somehow in her mind, this amateur crook, she believed that money laundering should be taken literally.

00:50:05.940 Okay.

00:50:06.120 Another reason why this is so ridiculous is that when the undercover officer went up to her and it was recorded, it's called the bump.

00:50:13.740 When they bumped into her and they tried to get money out of her and that's when it all put everything in motion.

00:50:19.960 They recorded Donna's immediate phone call.

00:50:22.160 It was to her son, not to police.

00:50:24.200 It was to her son saying this involves the two of us.

00:50:26.440 And then they talked in code and they used the term TV to describe the murder.

00:50:31.540 And so here's the big question.

00:50:33.700 Now, she supposedly was scared of the extorters who are from the Latin kings.

00:50:37.340 Mark Garagos, have you ever heard of the Latin kings engaging in wiretaps?

00:50:42.020 Is that something they're good at?

00:50:43.360 Let me tell you, the Latin kings may be proficient in a lot of things.

00:50:46.780 Undercover surveillance is not one of them.

00:50:50.660 Do I have to respond to this or can I do a rant on a different subject?

00:50:54.720 You can do a rant on anything you want.

00:50:57.600 You're Mark Garagos.

00:50:58.820 Well, you know, the rant I'll do today is really about the presumption of innocence.

00:51:05.240 Even though we do these things and we love to go down the true crime well, I always think that you've got to just sit back and say, let me hear more and let me know more before we jump to the conclusions.

00:51:24.300 I'm the first guy who loves a good conspiracy.

00:51:26.640 I'm the first guy who tries to tie all the dots together.

00:51:30.900 But my fear sometimes when I'm trolling or being trolled on X is that sometimes people go down a rabbit hole and make these connections that really have no basis in reality.

00:51:43.920 And so I just say every once in a while, take a little reality check, if you will.

00:51:50.020 And I'll end with I'm an OG, not an AG.

00:51:54.000 And I love being on with you, too.

00:51:57.460 And the feelings mutual.

00:51:59.620 That was great, you guys.

00:52:01.120 I want to I want to thank everybody for joining us today at MK True Crime.

00:52:05.160 And don't forget to tell us what you think of the show or if you have any stories you want us to cover.

00:52:09.860 If you just want you just want to chat, you can email us at MK True Crime at Devil May Care Media dot com.

00:52:16.440 The next show drops Wednesday.

00:52:18.920 See you then, guys.

00:52:20.020 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 22, 2025

Menendez Brothers’ Fate, Dark Past of Baby Emmanuel's Dad, Adelson Trial Takes Shape, Entitled ＂AG＂ Arrested - ＂MK True Crime＂

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