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In this episode of MK True Crime, Megyn Kelly sits down with Mark Garagos and Dave Ehrenberg to discuss the latest on the Menendez Brothers' parole hearing, including the details of the hearing and what's going on in the hearing room.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly, and today I want to bring you an episode of our newest MK Media Podcast Network show, MK True Crime.
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Welcome to MK True Crime. I'm Johnna Spilboer, your host today.
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I'm a criminal defense attorney and founding attorney of Johnna Spilboer Law.
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The Menendez Brothers parole hearing started on Thursday, the day of this taping, with Eric Menendez up before the parole board first.
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We will likely know his outcome by the time this show airs.
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Emanuel Harrow, a seven-month-old baby from California, has now been missing for over a week.
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We'll bring you the disturbing new revelations about his parents.
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Donna Adelson's trial gets underway for the murder of son-in-law Dan Markell.
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I am joined by a fabulous team, MK True Crime contributors, Mark Garagos.
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He needs no introduction, but he is a criminal defense attorney.
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And Dave Ehrenberg, former state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, and managing partner at Dave Ehrenberg Law.
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We are going to kick things off with the Menendez Brothers.
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And how lucky are we that we have Mark Garagos in studio today, the man, with a lot of inside information.
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Mark, will you tell us what's going on in there?
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Because you actually took a break from the hearing to join us today.
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So the hearing is going on, started after a little bit of legal skirmishing this morning at around 8.30 Pacific.
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And basically what a parole hearing looks like, this is tracking almost exactly.
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You've got a couple of parole commissioners, is what they call them.
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Eric is present remotely from San Diego, from the R.J. Donovan prison.
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Heidi Rummel, the one lawyer that we have doing the hearing, is there present.
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Nathan Hockman apparently tried mightily to monitor this and was not allowed to do so.
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And there is an L.A. Times reporter that has squirreled away somewhere in the CDRC named James Quealy,
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who is covering this but is embargoed until after the hearing.
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So this is not going to drop until after the hearing.
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I will tell you that what normally would happen is exactly what is happening,
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which is the commissioners go through and have a conversation with Eric.
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They're asking Eric about things that, questions, so to speak,
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that a lot of people in the public might have anyway about the crime.
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What did you do afterwards? Why did you have to do this? Why did you have to do that?
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I think you could characterize it as a grilling.
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And what will end up happening is they will go all the way through the crime itself,
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which I can tell you as we're taping this, it appears that they have done,
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and then they will focus on what has happened in the prison since that time.
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And yesterday, we're taping this on the 21st, yesterday, August 20th,
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And I will prognosticate that they will go through all the minutiae of that 30-some-odd years
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Because remember, they were in the L.A. County Jail.
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Not only were their two trials sandwiched between the O.J. trial,
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that the second trial started eight days after O.J.'s acquittal,
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and so that's why you saw the judge do all the things that he,
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But remember, while they were waiting during those two trials,
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they were in the L.A. County Jail where O.J. was.
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In fact, there's a lot of people who tell the story that Leslie Abramson
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was responsible for Johnny Cochran representing O.J.
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And Leslie, of course, was the lawyer for Eric Menendez,
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We will have, by the time this drops, a decision,
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when they've finished asking all the questions,
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This is one of those incredibly unicorn-like situations
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where all of the relatives of the defendant are also the victims,
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and they are uniformly asking that they be released.
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I think the buzz is on the side of the brothers.
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Look, my feeling is if anybody ever deserved to be paroled,
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I've told people, I watched Lyle graduate in the first class
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in conjunction with the Department of Corrections
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for a graduate degree, Bachelor of Arts in Sociology.
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and I watched the valedictorian, who was not Lyle,
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but a kid, a young kid who was there as a third grader,
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And I've watched and interacted with these people.
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You watch the hospice program, which is very much moving.
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we were on the vanguard in the 90s of lock them all up.
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And by now, they are truly an aging elderly population
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in the prison, and Eric's hospice program deals with that.
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So, yeah, they really did some pretty remarkable things
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behind bars, and they've had three decades to do that.
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But after today, the cases, once both hearings are done,
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the cases are going to land on Governor Newsom's desk,
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And I think we have a SOT, if we could place SOT zero.
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We're just a few weeks away, August 21st and 2nd,
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I think, where the Pro Board is going to make a decision
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Intentionally, and I remember that conversation with you,
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I remember going back, and I kept having a temptation
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to want to see it, but with the recognition always
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in the back of my mind that this thing may land on my desk,
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I don't want to be persuaded by something that's not in the files.
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He was speaking to Ryan Murphy, who was the creator
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of the Netflix series, Monsters, the Lyle and Eric Menendez story.
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You think he's going to rubber stamp this a go?
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on parolees and getting favorable rulings and him reversing it in the past.
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I have about as good a feeling as one can have, having said that,
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that if they get the ruling they deserve, that he's not going to stand in the way.
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In fact, I would probably urge him, and this is a nuance maybe you guys can appreciate,
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If they get parole, that habeas is still alive, so to speak.
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If he grants clemency, meaning he just says, that's it, you're not under state control anymore,
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So it'll be very interesting to see what he does in the event that we get the ruling we think we
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deserve, and that he says, I don't need to wait the 120 days, I'm convinced at this point,
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Yeah, it doesn't sound like he's going to take a whole lot of time.
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Do you think these guys have a good chance at, I don't know,
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what are they going to do for a living when they get sprung, if they get sprung?
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First off, they've got a great lawyer, Mark Garagos,
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and I have a lot of respect for my friend, Mark.
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We just happen to be on different sides of this one.
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I was just going to say, that is, by the way, that's the, that's the,
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I'm about to bend you over, Mark, and kick you in the head, so.
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Oh, man, I remember when these guys were on trial,
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and their lawyer dressed them in that, in those sweaters to make themselves look so angelic.
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Meanwhile, they had such brutal, they committed such brutal murders
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that law enforcement at the time thought it was a mob hit.
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They had to go outside and reload the shotgun because she was crawling away,
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and they wanted to finish her off and then shot her in the head.
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And then they went on a shopping spree, a spending spree.
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You can see them on the back of Mark Jackson's NBA card.
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There they are in the front row seats of the Knicks.
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Well, let me, let me disabuse you, Dave, of a couple of things.
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First of all, the Mark Jackson card, I don't believe is them,
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Number two, the grand jury here, twice rejected, and you know how hard that is,
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And number three, I've always said about the why, Kitty,
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besides the fact that that shows that there's a whole lot of rage there,
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and Lyle is the one who testified about going out to reload.
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Nobody would know that but for Lyle's testimony in trial number one.
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And number three, doesn't that, or number four,
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doesn't that speak to the amount of rage they had in, I think, corroborate Eric,
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who said he had found out that his mother was protecting his father all this time,
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which we now know from the resentencing earlier this year.
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And Dave, I don't know about you, but I know if somebody was saying,
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I'm down the hall with my sons and the wife is saying you can't go down the hall
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and I'm enforcing that rule, that would be incredibly peculiar to me
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and be an earmark or a red flag for something that's going on.
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Then you, you know, and I mentioned the habeas,
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then you layer over that, the Roy Rosello declaration from Menudo,
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who says, Jose raped me also and felt safe enough to do it in his house.
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I think when you look at all of that and you've got the clear pronouncement in the law
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that resentencing is appropriate, which the judge found,
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even in spite of our elected DA kind of throwing a hissy fit,
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if there was ever anybody who should be out, it should be Eric and Lyle.
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Well, I was going to say that sounds like the arguments that are probably all within the habeas.
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And then you've got this other kind of tragic piece of evidence,
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which was Eric's letter to his cousin, Andy, who testified in the first trial.
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And he talks about how disturbed he was by his dad coming in and making him do it again.
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And how it's a hard thing for him to kind of keep or secret to keep and everything else.
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I think, and by the way, the DA threw all of the Dave, he wasn't as articulate as Ehrenberg,
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but apologies to Habib and to Seth, who were the deputies who filed it.
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But they threw all of that at Judge Ryan already, once in response to the informal,
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And still, there's an order out there that we made a prima facie case.
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I mean, the DA's office is worried, and rightfully so, that the conviction is at risk.
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They've got great lawyers, meaning Mark Garagos and team.
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Also, it's nice to have Kim Kardashian and Netflix on your side.
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And that's why they're going to make lots of money when they get out,
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which is another reason why I don't think they should.
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Yeah, there is some evidence, the Menudo letter, the cousin letter,
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Eric and Lyle weren't consistent that there was sex abuse.
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In fact, after the murders, Eric confessed to his therapist, the guy,
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that he had killed his parents out of a desire to be free from his controlling father
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and his father's high standards, but not because of abuse.
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And so, and then it doesn't, to me, change the fact that they murdered Kitty,
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She was married to a guy who was cheating on her,
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And she had her own issues and mental health issues,
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but did she deserve to be murdered in the way that she did?
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They were both apparently sitting on their couch with their backs turned,
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So I think there are some crimes that should fulfill the destiny of life in prison.
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And there are a lot of people in prison right now who were probably just as good,
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just as model of a prisoner, who did a lot less, and they're not getting out.
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Well, actually, we put on it, the resentencing, we put on X-Rated,
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who's one of my favorite names, if not witnesses.
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And X-Rated testified that he went to Menendez University and turned his life around
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and spent a lot less time on a murder case and was released.
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And he was a very compelling witness, number one.
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And since that time, he's posted pictures of him with his children
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and the fact that the Menendez brothers were instrumental in him turning his life around.
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And by the way, just to respond to some of those things,
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My response is, I've never had a case, actually one case, a murder case,
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where the victim's family was fully in support of my client.
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Well, in this case, you not only have all of the victim's family in support,
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you've got Jose's older sister, Terry, and you've got Kitty's older sister, Joan,
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both of whom are hanging on with extreme health challenges
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because all they want in life is to have these boys out, the brothers out.
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I always call them the boys because like Dave, I was much younger when this went on.
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But the fact that the two sisters, who are the ones who have the position,
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and especially Kitty, Joan was, she was so much older than Kitty
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that she almost testified under oath that she had almost a maternal role in her life,
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that if they're saying we want them out, they've made amends and I've forgiven them,
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then who are we, whose interest are we vindicating at this point
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when we argue, no, keep them in, lock them up for life?
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And by the way, Judge Jessic, who gave them and resentenced them
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and gave them this opportunity back in May, he heard all of this stuff.
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He heard hours and hours of the DAs talking about this.
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And ironically, one of those DAs who will remain nameless
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because I consider him a friend and I don't want to slam him,
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And I told him and I said on the record, and I probably shouldn't have,
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because I want to be there to remind the jury that the DA's office is prosecuting cases
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where victims of sex crimes, stories change over time.
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And yet this DA's office is saying if you don't testify perfectly when you're the victim,
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that you should be disregarded, which is a first cousin of Dave's argument.
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So I tend to be a lot more forgiving in these kinds of situations.
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And I think this is a unicorn and they should be out.
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And anybody else similarly situated, the fame cuts both ways, would have been out by now.
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I think, I think the family support is going to be a huge factor for the parole board.
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I also, I'm willing to bet five bucks they're getting out.
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And I'm not, I'm not going to be offended by it.
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I'm kind of in your camp, but we're going to, we're going to pivot now to a,
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what I think is going to amount to be a really horrible case.
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The case of missing baby Emanuel Harrow, who's now been missing for,
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Um, uh, you guys might know, gosh, this poor kid, he's seven months old, right?
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Apparently, according to the mother, she was changing his diaper in a parking lot.
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Cause I guess that's, that's what you do from time to time.
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Somebody approached her, said, hola, hit her over the head, knocks her out.
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Let's, let's, let's hear it straight from her mouth for a minute.
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I got him out of the car seat and I laid him down and so I could get his diapers ready.
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And somebody said, hola, and that's all I remember.
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And the hearing sound, I, I fell on the floor and I, and I said, as I got up, I couldn't find my son.
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I checked all the, around my truck and I ran into big five and I asked the lady if she saw a baby or someone with the baby.
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And I think her shiner under her eye gives it away because according to witnesses who have posted on social media,
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she showed up with that shiner before there was the incident that didn't apparently exist, although maybe,
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So this is someone who I think is acting and that's just my belief based on what I saw.
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She did the same thing, pulled the same act and threw in the same casual racism where it was the black kids who stole her kids.
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And then it turned out she was the one who drove them into the body of water here.
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She puts in a little bit of the, hola, so you put that out there into the body public to poison the well.
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And so, no, I think the walls are closing in on her and her husband.
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And there is obviously not an indictment, not a charge yet.
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And when people are trying to help them find their children, the father has told these individuals that they are trespassing.
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That's not how people would act if they were innocent.
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That's not how people would act if they really cared about the well-being of their children,
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especially one last point when you have the father who has a past of beating up a toddler.
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And interestingly, I also thought about the Susan Smith case and the Harmony Montgomery case when I was reading about this one.
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And the father, apparently he beat the crap out of one of his other children, so much so that that child got taken away from him.
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I don't know why the father's not in jail, number one.
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But you mentioned he was trying to shoo-shoo away bystanders who wanted to help look for the child.
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That's fine, I just wanted to see if we could help you in any way, talk to you about what happened.
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I'm into Pokemon myself, where I collect as well.
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Mark, this guy pleaded guilty to willful child cruelty back in 2018.
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And now he doesn't want any help looking for his missing seven-month-old.
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You know, a hat tip to Megan Kelly, former lawyer and investigator extraordinaire.
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At her behest, I had somebody look at a file out here in California.
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And I will tell you, I won't step on any of it.
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I will tell you, if I represented him, I would not have had him answering the door.
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There are some rather, if you're, I can tell you right now, having looked at a civil file
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involving this gentleman, the police have already got enough probable cause, in my opinion,
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In addition to that, there was a restraining order against him recently that was denied.
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But some of the allegations connected to that are extremely disturbing.
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And if he is not good for this, if in fact the story is true, he's going to have every
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incentive in the world to want to find out who really did this.
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Because I'm going to tell you, his history, and I know you're not supposed to normally
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look at all that, but his history is extremely troubling for something like this, especially
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The black and blue mark, the missing, the story beforehand.
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I mean, if you take a look at this civil file, which my partner just did this morning, I think
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there's going to be some revelations that are going to have the people worked up into a
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So if you're this guy, you want your kid found and found immediately and somebody else to be
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Yeah, I, you know, look, I'm a criminal defense attorney too, but this story stinks.
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So I won't be surprised when somebody gets, and probably both parents could get indicted
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But we're going to move on yet again because there's so much.
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This is an amazing docket we have going on today because next we have jury selection,
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which I think is going to wrap up very soon in the case against Donna Adelson in your neck
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of the words, your neck of the words, your neck of the woods, Dave.
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And you also have a pretty personal connection to this case because the victim in this case
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When I was a state senator, I knew him in Tallahassee.
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And instead of making the big money out there in the private world, he went and became a
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law professor in a smallish town because he cared deeply about students.
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He got well known for his writings and he loved his children so much.
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And it was his love for his children that led to his demise, his targeted murder, because
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he refused in a child custody dispute with his ex-wife to give up custody to allow the
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kids to move from Tallahassee all the way down eight hours away to South Florida, where the
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They even bribed him, said, we'll give you a million dollars if you allow it.
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But he cared more about being with his children than the money.
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And then eventually the family, because the son, Charlie, is now in prison for it, the
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It's not looking good for her either, especially since we know she tried to leave with a one-way
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Not exactly the place I think of if I want, you know, a spa day.
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And also, I have so many questions about this case, and I don't know if it'll come up in
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the trial, but why isn't Wendy Adelson charged with anything, the actual mother of these children
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We are actually going to continue first with a little more on Donna Adelson because as you
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know, that trial is about to start any day now.
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We thought it might start later this afternoon, but that's probably not going to happen.
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They are in the middle of jury selection in that case.
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And I have to remind everybody that Donald Adelson, who is the mother of Wendy and Charlie,
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So wouldn't you know, the prosecutor in this case was asking the jury whether or not they
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I mean, it's all you in picture, but like anyone who's capable of like, has a classic control.
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You could keep an open mind to the possibility that a grandmother could be a killer.
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Since you're down there, you're a friend, you're in the mix.
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There was a rumor recently that the prosecutors offered Donna time-served, meaning you can
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walk free if you turn on Wendy, if you testify against Wendy.
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The prosecutors came out right afterwards to say that is not true.
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But they didn't deny there was a plea offer made.
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They just said that what you heard is not true.
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So no, I don't think they'll let her walk in exchange for giving up Wendy.
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But by the way, Donna is not giving up Wendy anyways.
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It's the thing that Donna cares most about in the world are her grandkids, and she gives
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And she's also, in my mind, such a narcissist that she believes she did nothing wrong, just
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like her son, who also tried to convince the jury by taking the stand and coming up with
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this ridiculous double extortion scheme, this defense double extortion, which we can get
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And I think that's going to be Donna's fate as well.
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Does Dave Ehrenberg Law, do they do criminal defense?
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Yes, actually do, which is funny because here I am, I've still been a prosecutor for the
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I was going to say, I have an expression for guys like you.
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And I tease you because you were a hell of a prosecutor, and it's great that you're not
00:31:18.060
But having said that, my father, who was my hero and was a prosecutor for many years before
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he came to his senses and started doing criminal defense, he used to say, when they offer you
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low-term state prison, they basically know their case is not very good.
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When they offer you county jail, they know they don't have a case.
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And when they offer you time served, you're factually innocent.
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You know, I like that theory, but I got to disagree.
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I don't think Donna Adelson has a prayer of a not guilty.
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I mean, it's just too, the thing I keep hearkening back to is, this is what I don't
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Why would a granny and her son concoct this plan to stop the children from being with
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their father without the involvement of the children's mother?
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Weren't there wiretaps or phones tapped in this case?
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Yeah, I think they're, I suspect, call me a cynic, I suspect that there is evidence that
00:32:40.280
if they brought charges against her, would end up backfiring on them as, you know, I hate
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I think otherwise, if you're a prosecutor like the ones I deal with, with great frequency,
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the way to get a plea out of Donna Adelson was indict or file on both of them, the mother
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and the daughter, because, you know, the only difference between a prosecutor and a mob
00:33:06.640
boss is that the mob bosses spare the women and children.
00:33:12.200
In defense of Georgia Kaplman, who you heard in that great voir dire, and who's done a great
00:33:17.620
job in this case, by going one after the next, they've been able to develop new evidence.
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So, for example, the reason why they've got Donna, I think, is because they have that
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incredible circumstantial evidence, consciousness of guilt, that she was trying to flee on the
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one-way ticket to a non-extraditable country, Vietnam, and they even have that video, and
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And the only reason why they had that was because they first got her son, who was found
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And I suspect when they got Donna's phone because of that arrest, they got other damning
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So if Donna is convicted, I do think Wendy is next.
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She was literally on the skywalk to the airplane when the cops got her because someone told them
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that she was about to flee and got her just in time.
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And I know we're going to be talking about this case a lot more when the actual trial
00:34:15.280
So we're going to pivot again and talk about Brian Koberger.
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Brian Koberger has been in prison now, not very, I mean, he's been in jail, but now he's
00:34:27.860
And he wasn't there very long before he filed a sexual harassment complaint.
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And as one of the victim's sisters, you know, plainly said during his sentencing hearing,
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you know, don't drop the soap, you know, basically.
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And here he is complaining that he's getting harassed in prison.
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Does he have a shot at getting moved for sexual harassment?
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He's obviously not listening to his lawyer's advice, wouldn't you say?
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I mean, there's the, this is not a, this is not a way I sometimes tell clients this.
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And they always, Dave, I mean, we know people, he's starting early.
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He's going to be in prison for the rest of his natural life.
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My prediction is he's going to die in prison, obviously, and it won't be of old age.
00:35:28.280
They write these weird motions on the toilet paper and they try to file them and they usually go nowhere.
00:35:37.020
You know, you see him with his red hands in the video we saw of him behind bars, that surreptitious video.
00:35:42.900
And that's because he washes his hands like a hundred times a day to the point where he irritates his hands.
00:35:55.080
I mean, here's a guy who's going to complain perhaps at mealtime because the fish isn't fresh.
00:36:00.020
He is going to complain to the warden about every little thing, which actually I sort of like because I do think he got off easy.
00:36:06.800
I thought that he should have faced a death penalty.
00:36:09.040
If he doesn't face a death penalty, then who does?
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So, yeah, in that sense, I'm not going to shed any tears for this sociopath wannabe serial killer.
00:36:19.420
But just as an homage to the victim's family, can we just run SOT 9 because it's a classic.
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Aubrey wanted to say, you may have received A's in high school and college, but you're going to be getting big D's in prison.
00:36:59.080
So let's move on to our next case, which is it doesn't involve murder.
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Kevin Costner, though, Kevin Costner has filed a motion to dismiss in a case that was filed against him.
00:37:13.300
And again, now this one smacks of the recent Blake Lively versus Baldoni.
00:37:23.200
Apparently, Mark may know a whole more about this than I do.
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But Kevin Costner filed a motion to dismiss because someone filed a motion against him for having a sexually charged rape scene that was sprung upon her during the filming of a movie.
00:37:49.300
I'm not so sure I buy how how this is being kind of spun, so to speak.
00:37:57.060
And by the way, at its core, all of this is about spinning and something that happens quite a bit.
00:38:08.520
You know, it's weird, Dave, because we're still the case against Baldoni and and Blake Lively and the back and forth that they have was the first time I really heard of a an intimacy coordinator.
00:38:20.000
Didn't know that that was a thing, but apparently it is.
00:38:22.540
But also, you know, when you are an actor, an actress and you sign your lucrative contract, in this case, it was a stunt woman and her name is Devin Labella.
00:38:34.580
She was a stunt woman for Ella Hunt on set of this movie.
00:38:37.740
Don't you know, like you read the scripts, you know what's going on.
00:38:43.740
Why do you then get to complain for for doing your job?
00:38:48.520
Well, she's maintaining that the actor went too far, not Costner, but whoever was filming that rape scene with her.
00:38:59.400
This was in preparation for the the pre scene, I guess.
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It gets a little confusing, but I'm with Mark on this one.
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I'm a little I'm a little skeptical because these movies have these paid intimacy coordinators.
00:39:15.080
They're there for a reason to prevent something like this from happening, to be the witness in case there is an allegation and to stop something like this from happening.
00:39:24.140
So the fact that she is now raising it as she said, he said, with no evidence other than her own words.
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And apparently Kevin Costner is coming up with photos and documentation that shows otherwise.
00:39:35.480
Yeah, I'm not so sure that she's going to win on this one.
00:39:38.500
And just to make it clear, although we're a true crime show, this is not a criminal trial.
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This is a charge, an allegation, a tort for a civil court, not criminal.
00:39:48.020
And by the way, I've known Kevin Costner for countless years.
00:39:57.740
Just from a personal standpoint, makes zero sense.
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So I'm just going to give my own personal view here.
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Real quick, Mark, what do you think, though, about the text messages that she sent, Devin LaBella sent after she rapped, you know, had a wonderful time.
00:40:18.120
Look, having just watched the Diddy trial, I will tell you that you can always, after the fact, invent, you know, my therapist told me this, my girlfriends told me this, my boyfriends told me this.
00:40:35.100
But when you have to face your real-time text messages, there's something really compelling about that.
00:40:42.920
And, what, you just came to a realization and somebody just rocked my world and all of a sudden what I thought then was great isn't great anymore.
00:40:53.040
I just think people have kind of moved past that as of late.
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But when we come back, it's really my favorite story of the day.
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And we're going to be talking about the story about the assistant attorney general out of Rhode Island that was arrested for trespassing and then some.
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An AG, an assistant AG from the great state of Rhode Island was arrested for trespassing.
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Now, we've got to kind of figure out what happened behind the scenes here.
00:42:38.160
But before we do that, let's just roll the best video of the day.
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Your protocol is if I ask you to turn off the body cam, you have to turn it off, and
00:43:24.100
Well, that's f***ing lawyer stuff, so that's not true.
00:43:59.020
You're being detained because you're not leaving.
00:44:42.060
I've got a Rhode Island bar lawyer in my office.
00:44:45.180
And I'm now thinking that if she leaves the AG's office, I want her to head my Rhode Island
00:44:56.560
You know, back when I was drinking, this is somebody I would have liked to spend some time with.
00:45:00.980
I'm so glad you mentioned that because I actually think she's going to be fired from the AG's office.
00:45:14.320
But what happened inside that restaurant that made the restaurant call the police and press charges for trespassing?
00:45:21.680
Like, what could have possibly happened in there?
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And when she told the cop, you're going to regret this, that's where I think she drew a line.
00:45:31.340
Dave, you're going to hire her when she gets fired from the AG's office?
00:45:36.240
First, I don't know if she ever made it into the restaurant.
00:45:38.800
She just might have been commiserating outside.
00:45:44.900
Because I worked for the AG on three separate occasions.
00:45:48.800
You're an assistant attorney general if you work for the AG.
00:46:00.480
Can you imagine at that blood alcohol level her having to say, I'm a special assistant AG?
00:46:06.280
That would have been a field sobriety test in and of itself.
00:46:09.840
Well, I mean, the one thing she's not is the boss.
00:46:13.300
I know, because I ran for AG in Florida and lost to a woman named Pam Bondi.
00:46:23.820
And this woman is not a prosecutor also in court.
00:46:27.980
She is an appellate prosecutor, meaning she does the appeals.
00:46:37.200
I have a lot of respect for my appellate prosecutors in my old office.
00:46:41.200
But this perhaps is why she did not understand the rules on body cams that it's OK.
00:46:46.240
And in fact, they have to keep their body camera on in a situation like this unless the victim says turn it off.
00:46:54.620
So this woman was wrong on the law, wrong on her title, a complete embarrassment to her entire profession.
00:47:01.320
I just slipped and said our entire profession because I still do believe I'm there.
00:47:05.980
I was going to say, you got to leave the office at some point.
00:47:09.720
But by the way, when she leaves the office, she looks like a whole lot of fun.
00:47:27.620
I'm glad she's going to probably be sending you a resume because, you know, she's going to need to, I think, very soon.
00:47:39.960
If she's not a 0.15, I'll eat my shoe in Macy's window.
00:47:46.040
And since we're on this, I would like to, if you don't mind, let me kick off closing argument segment of the show with one of my own, which directly relates to this horrific embarrassment that we all just witnessed, if you don't mind, guys.
00:48:03.100
And I want to say this to every young lawyer who is awaiting the bar, who just passed the bar, who's finally become a lawyer.
00:48:12.560
And I know that she was practicing for seven years, but let me harken back.
00:48:18.480
When you take the bar, pass the bar, and get your ticket to practice law and take that ticket and you put it up on your wall in a nice $350 frame because your parents are all proud of you, I want you to remember one thing.
00:48:35.820
Law school does not teach you how to be a lawyer.
00:48:44.460
And if you want to be a great lawyer, you need to be a good person.
00:48:50.720
That means you have to be a good person, whether you are at the grocery store, pumping gas, watching your kid's soccer game.
00:48:59.020
You are a lawyer all of those times, not just when you're in the office.
00:49:03.900
And certainly, you're a lawyer even when you're at a bar, slamming back some cosmopolitans and talking down to the police officers.
00:49:12.560
That is no way to make your name or your way in our profession.
00:49:27.680
And I believe, Dave, you got something you want to rant about?
00:49:34.600
I said I'd talk about this alleged extortion plot.
00:49:39.320
She's going to say that the reason why her money got in the hands of the hitman was because the hitman then were trying to extort her son and thus her into paying them.
00:49:50.160
Number one, first off, the money that was handed over to the hitman was washed, literally washed.
00:49:56.580
It was moldy and wet because somehow in her mind, this amateur crook, she believed that money laundering should be taken literally.
00:50:06.120
Another reason why this is so ridiculous is that when the undercover officer went up to her and it was recorded, it's called the bump.
00:50:13.740
When they bumped into her and they tried to get money out of her and that's when it all put everything in motion.
00:50:24.200
It was to her son saying this involves the two of us.
00:50:26.440
And then they talked in code and they used the term TV to describe the murder.
00:50:33.700
Now, she supposedly was scared of the extorters who are from the Latin kings.
00:50:37.340
Mark Garagos, have you ever heard of the Latin kings engaging in wiretaps?
00:50:43.360
Let me tell you, the Latin kings may be proficient in a lot of things.
00:50:50.660
Do I have to respond to this or can I do a rant on a different subject?
00:50:58.820
Well, you know, the rant I'll do today is really about the presumption of innocence.
00:51:05.240
Even though we do these things and we love to go down the true crime well, I always think that you've got to just sit back and say, let me hear more and let me know more before we jump to the conclusions.
00:51:26.640
I'm the first guy who tries to tie all the dots together.
00:51:30.900
But my fear sometimes when I'm trolling or being trolled on X is that sometimes people go down a rabbit hole and make these connections that really have no basis in reality.
00:51:43.920
And so I just say every once in a while, take a little reality check, if you will.
00:52:01.120
I want to I want to thank everybody for joining us today at MK True Crime.
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