The Megyn Kelly Show - Missing Migrants, Mask Mutiny, and the Hunter Biden Email Coverup with Robby Soave and Sohrab Ahmari

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.520 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show on a Monday, and I am fired up.

00:00:17.880 There's a lot to go over today. I got a lot of thoughts about today's news.

00:00:20.960 Starting with this. Over the weekend, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas

00:00:25.740 openly admitted without a care in the world that some 12,000 Haitian migrants are now freely

00:00:31.440 roaming in the United States. Don't worry, I'm sure they're going to show up at their asylum

00:00:34.760 hearings. Sure they are. It comes as we are learning just how ticked off Border Patrol is

00:00:39.560 with President Biden. Plus, we're going to get to the latest on Hunter Biden now. Left-leaning

00:00:44.680 Politico appears to have confirmed some of the emails Hunter sent on his laptop, but the White

00:00:51.980 House, even in response to one of its favorite publications confirming large portions of the

00:00:56.920 New York Post reporting that was suppressed during the presidential campaign, still insists

00:01:01.900 it's all just Russian disinformation. We're going to speak with Saurabh Amari, op-ed editor

00:01:07.860 for the New York Post. They were the ones who broke the story, you know, a year plus ago during

00:01:13.220 the campaign, and we'll hear what he has to say about that. He's fired up about the lack

00:01:17.700 of coverage and outrage over the story, right? And then and then they want to look at us and

00:01:21.940 say, you will accept that the election was fair. You will. Well, I mean, we can talk about

00:01:26.900 the vote, but the election itself, the media coverage and so on. Really? Anyway, first,

00:01:32.180 we're going to get into the border and all the developments with COVID this morning, because

00:01:36.460 there are a lot with my guest, Robbie Suave. I like it. Suave. He's a senior editor at Reason

00:01:42.220 Magazine, which I also like a lot, and the author of the new book, Tech Panic, Why We Shouldn't Fear

00:01:48.380 Facebook and the Future out tomorrow. Robbie, great to have you here. Thanks for having me.

00:01:53.780 It's so nice to talk with you. Okay. I love Reason. And I think the title of your book is

00:01:59.140 interesting, too, because as angry as we get with Facebook and social media, it will be nice. I was

00:02:05.620 reading sort of just like a long summary of the book. And I was at first, I was like, this is

00:02:11.660 bullshit. This is wrong, too. No, they're terrible. And then when I got done, I was like, I feel

00:02:17.220 better. I feel better based on what Robbie is telling me. So we'll get into that in a minute.

00:02:22.600 But let's start with the news headlines. Okay, the border. So you've got DHS Secretary Mayorkas on Fox

00:02:28.880 News Sunday being pretty explicit about how many of those, now the numbers, 30,000 Haitians had

00:02:36.700 crossed into Del Rio. Some of them were sent back. Some of them were sent to other places. And Chris

00:02:43.400 Wallace on Fox News Sunday asked Secretary Mayorkas how many were released into the United States. Here's

00:02:48.800 what he said. To answer my question directly, of the 17,400 that weren't deported back or didn't

00:02:55.660 return on their own to Mexico. How many of them either? Well, first, how many have been released

00:03:00.640 into the U.S.? They're released on conditions. And approximately, I think it's about 10,000 or so,

00:03:07.540 12,000. Have been released? Yes. And of the 5,000 that are still in process? We will make determinations

00:03:14.620 whether they will be returned to Haiti based on our public health and public interest authorities.

00:03:24.180 So are we talking about a total of 12,000 or could it be even higher? It could be even higher.

00:03:32.060 This is they look at us and say, the border's closed. The border is closed. It doesn't feel

00:03:37.260 closed. And even if they've closed it now, which they haven't, what are we going to do about 12,000

00:03:41.980 plus Haitian migrants in the country who absolutely will not be showing up for those asylum hearings?

00:03:48.520 And even if they do, only 15% get it. And the rest are just released into the United States

00:03:53.080 thereafter. It's ridiculous to pretend that we even have any sort of immigration policy. And I mean,

00:03:58.860 the administration is, it is, it is a shameful, shameful deception to say that they're, that

00:04:04.700 they're planning for this, they're organized. I mean, the, the, the reality is we have thousands

00:04:10.460 of people coming through illegally in unsafe conditions on, on, you know, on both sides of

00:04:16.280 this journey that, that are overwhelming the border that we're not prepared to handle that.

00:04:21.160 We have no plan to deal with this. And it ends up making a case against, against immigrants and

00:04:27.560 against immigration when you do it like this, because, you know, the, the, the citizens of this

00:04:32.240 country rightly hate this happening. And they're, they're we're annoyed by the unfairness of, you know,

00:04:39.220 people jumping lines and people not following our laws. I, I'm an advocate for, for increased

00:04:44.780 immigration in general. But I think it has to be legal immigration. I think we should have a policy

00:04:49.800 to, you know, make it easier to, to vet people. And then we know who they are and, and bring them

00:04:54.200 here. But this way of doing it undermines the entire idea of having immigration. It's really

00:04:59.360 like, it's such a big setback for that cause. And the administration is just totally unconcerned by

00:05:04.220 they, they, they acting like they don't even care. They absolutely are acting that way. And,

00:05:08.700 and there was a followup about the wall, right? And I realized the wall is not the be all end all,

00:05:14.000 and it's not going to solve all immigration problems, even if we were to build it, which,

00:05:17.240 you know, we haven't even under Trump, but listen to the, speaking of the cavalier attitude,

00:05:22.200 listen to Mayorkas, Mr. Mayorkas, when it comes to the wall, it is this, the policy of this

00:05:28.220 administration. Uh, we do not agree with the building of the wall. The law provides that

00:05:33.320 individuals can make a claim for humanitarian relief. That is actually one of our proudest traditions.

00:05:39.780 Okay. So maybe in general, if we just hadn't dealt with 30,000 Haitians suffering down there,

00:05:47.680 making these decisions based on Biden's very laissez-faire attitude toward the border,

00:05:52.840 you could say that. But right now we've had a lot of people suffering unnecessarily because of Biden's

00:05:59.140 projections about our Southern border. We've had a lot of border agents now in trouble for doing

00:06:04.320 absolutely nothing wrong. Um, and now he's up there sort of bragging about how wonderful we are.

00:06:09.560 You know, we're so proud not to have a wall and to welcome immigrants like this.

00:06:13.660 Yeah. And we're getting rid of the horses. Remember that whole, that nonsense that whips

00:06:17.940 were being used. I mean, that was a, you know, that's a media distortion. And then, and for the

00:06:22.780 Obama administration, the white house care, they care. That's all they care about is positive

00:06:27.320 coverage from the media. So they'll do whatever the media wants to get it

00:06:30.480 and not speak to the concerns that many Americans have about. And, and, you know, I think, I think

00:06:35.920 we want, we're, we're concerned, we were concerned about, you know, the, the, the housing of these

00:06:39.800 immigrants, the, the detention facilities, you know, nobody wants that. Well, people, people want

00:06:44.040 a humane and sane immigration policy. People plan to come here, apply to come here. There's some kind

00:06:50.040 of process and then they can do it. Not, you know, rushing across stream beds in, in really unsafe

00:06:55.760 conditions. That's just not the way to do it. And, and, and the, the Biden approach has all

00:07:01.120 but guaranteed that that's what we're going to have. Yeah. It's such a lie because it would be

00:07:05.500 one thing if disaster had struck in Haiti, which of course it has repeatedly. And these folks somehow

00:07:10.980 made it immediately up here. But what we're told is that these folks have been in Mexico for some 10

00:07:15.900 years and they're, they've just come across the border now because they sense an opportunity under

00:07:20.920 this president. That's not what asylum is for. Asylum is to get you out of an immediately

00:07:27.160 dangerous situation in your country, get you out to another country where that situation doesn't

00:07:32.100 exist. You don't cross all the way from Haiti, all the way up to the United States 10 years later and

00:07:37.920 say, I'm ready for my asylum. Yeah. Yeah. And there's no, you know, it's so interesting too,

00:07:44.400 that this is happening, you know, during, during the pandemic where Americans are, have been forced to

00:07:49.980 live with just wild new restrictions in so, in terms of so much of what they're doing there,

00:07:55.400 there's no end to what the government can do to, you know, prohibit you from socializing,

00:08:00.200 from working, et cetera. But we're not going to, they, they, they wouldn't consider having a stricter

00:08:05.600 immigration policy, even though that would actually, that's probably something if we'd done it right

00:08:10.740 from the get-go would have been good to prevent the spread of COVID-19. And like, that's unthinkable.

00:08:15.180 But, but, but, you know, masking two-year-old children indefinitely, that's that, and that

00:08:20.400 makes normal sense. It's so true. That's, that's one of the reasons this really burns. And one of

00:08:24.820 the reasons I love reason, by the way, one of the reasons I love reason is because you guys are sort

00:08:29.500 of libertarian, like get, get your hands off of me. You know, that's the sort of how I, how I read

00:08:33.380 reason. It's just like government, get the hell off of me. And I feel like I too have a strong

00:08:37.720 libertarian streak in me, especially these days. But the other thing about what's happening in the

00:08:42.360 southern border is this crazy crackdown on these couple of border agents. Now the horses are gone,

00:08:47.360 as you mentioned, because of the alleged whipping incident, which didn't happen. They continue to

00:08:51.640 be maligned, right? They continue to be maligned, including by the president who has said, this is

00:08:57.740 a quote, we played it on Friday. I promise you those people, meaning the border patrol agents will

00:09:05.480 pay. There is an investigation underway right now, and there will be consequences. So I'm sure the border

00:09:11.860 patrol agents are feeling really secure about a free and fair investigation into their actions.

00:09:18.600 Yeah. You know, one of he, one of the smartest things that, to give him credit that Biden did

00:09:23.940 when he was running for president, the reason he kind of had an easy time of it in the primary

00:09:28.820 is he knew or his team knew to ignore to a much greater degree than the other candidates,

00:09:34.100 the very woke, progressive, liberal Twitter bubble that so much of the Democratic Party is always

00:09:40.840 catering to that audience, even though it's a tiny audience. It's a very loud and active on social

00:09:45.480 media audience, but it doesn't represent a lot of voters. So the best thing you can do is ignore

00:09:49.820 those people, speak to the actual American people. Biden was better at doing that than many of the

00:09:54.680 other candidates. But now, you know, in terms of his actual governing, I think he is often or his

00:10:00.700 maybe I don't know what's going on in his own head, but his staff gets distracted by these things. This is a

00:10:05.900 quintessential example of, oh, no, you know, we're getting yelled at by the most woke of the woke

00:10:11.640 scolding people. How can we how can we satisfy them? OK, let's get rid of this forces. They're

00:10:16.560 really concerned about this, even though no one no one else thought that was any kind of issue or

00:10:21.720 believes that's any kind of issue. But they want to mollify them. Right. I mean, there it's like they

00:10:27.560 were shocked to see the border patrol patrolling the border. They're trying to make sure that no more

00:10:33.220 people get in, that the people who are there stay away from the horses, keep the situation safe.

00:10:37.580 There is absolutely nothing to show us whipping of anybody with the horse reins or otherwise.

00:10:42.080 And they continue to show us this one picture of a border patrol agent on a horse using the reins

00:10:47.400 and trying to get a man away from him without whipping the man at all as evidence of whipping.

00:10:52.940 And it isn't. And just use your eyes. I've said all along, I'm open minded. Show me the pictures.

00:10:57.260 I'll look at them. Haven't seen them yet. But I continue to see media headlines telling me

00:11:00.740 not to believe my lying eyes. Instead, I choose not to believe them. By the way,

00:11:04.680 Governor Abbott of Texas has come out and said to the border patrol agents who are absolutely

00:11:08.460 going to get fired, they've been put on desk duty. There's no question because the investigation is

00:11:12.740 already fixed. You heard it right from the president that he that they can have jobs with

00:11:16.300 him with the Texas border patrol. So good for him as Abbott's been putting a pickle and trying

00:11:20.260 to deal with this himself since the feds are not helping. All right. So picking up on

00:11:24.340 on your point about the juxtaposition between come on in, welcome to America, land of the free

00:11:31.240 to the Haitian migrants. But to actual Americans, it's F you. Put your mask on. Keep your kid masked

00:11:37.580 all day long. The hand of big governments, not only over your face, it's in your arm. It's everywhere.

00:11:42.720 And by the way, none of those Haitian migrants has to have a vaccine and not one has been tested for

00:11:48.360 COVID that we have no idea whether they have COVID these 12,000 plus folks in the country right now

00:11:54.180 going God knows where we have no idea whether they have active COVID. And that was not a cleanly place

00:11:59.080 down in Del Rio. It was under a bridge, for God's sake, with no running water. And and they and they

00:12:05.680 won't. Nobody was given the vaccine. Meanwhile, Robbie, today, New York City schools could lose up to 100

00:12:13.460 teachers, uh, and more, uh, plenty of other agents who help the teachers, you know, like janitors and

00:12:19.820 so on, because not everybody wants to get the vaccine. And Mayor de Blasio saying, F you get it

00:12:26.400 or you're fired. And and we're ready, even to the tune of thousands. He says we have thousands of

00:12:31.060 backup, you'll get it or you'll get fired. Uh, it's going up now. The his mandate is going up to the

00:12:37.220 second sort of circuit court of appeals, which oversees New York, that'll be heard on Wednesday. But it's

00:12:42.080 not just New York City teachers, New York state now saying it may call in the national guard

00:12:47.300 to replace unvaccinated healthcare workers. The governor here, our new governor who replaced

00:12:53.260 Andrew Cuomo says she's considering employing national guard and out of state medical workers

00:12:57.060 to fill hospital staffing shortages with tens of thousands of workers, possibly about to lose

00:13:01.940 their jobs for not meeting today's deadline for mandated vaccination. I mean, and it's not just them

00:13:08.520 in Connecticut where I am now, bus drivers threatening to walk off, um, as some 230 of

00:13:15.520 them are refusing to get vaccinated. There's already a shortage of bus drivers here. They don't want to

00:13:20.280 be forced to say it. They say, look, we keep the windows open. The kids walk by us for a total of

00:13:24.900 one and a half seconds. And we were allowed to drive unvaccinated for a year. So why do we have to do

00:13:31.240 this? The bus is already too few. They're already too crowded. And here too, the governor's considering

00:13:35.500 using the national guard. So we're going to fire all these people, bus drivers, teachers, janitors,

00:13:42.120 healthcare workers who got us through the pandemic, even the ones with natural immunity, because they

00:13:46.920 won't get this mandated vaccine. Your thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. And that's very key. That last thing

00:13:51.480 that you just said, these mandates are for the most part, the Biden mandate, the one being forced

00:13:56.120 on 80 million private sector workers. I mean, you, that you were talking about public sector workers.

00:14:00.620 And I think we can certainly debate the merits of, of forcing these people, but I would at least

00:14:05.040 accept that it's, it's, it can be done to, to for it's, it's legal. If we're talking about public

00:14:10.340 employees, private, the private employee mandate is additionally insane because this is just straight

00:14:14.700 up, uh, compelling private citizens. And they're not exempting natural immunity, which we know from the

00:14:21.240 data from looking at it, that you're, you're, you have very robust protection. If you know, if you've

00:14:26.300 had a COVID, if you've recovered from a COVID infection, I just don't see, you know, more

00:14:31.400 philosophically, I don't really see the value of compelling people at this level to do something

00:14:38.000 that they don't want to do. I, you know, I'm obviously an, I've been vaccinated. I think everyone

00:14:42.420 should get vaccinated. I want them to approve vaccines for young people. And then families can make

00:14:46.620 that choice, but it ought to be a choice. And I don't think it persuades more people when the big

00:14:52.400 government, you know, has the, has the needle in its fist and is looming over people. Is that really

00:14:57.840 what's persuasive? I don't think that's what's persuasive at this point. They don't make it easier

00:15:01.180 for people. They're not trying to persuade. Right. They're not trying to persuade because if they were,

00:15:06.500 you know what they would do? They should pair, uh, pushes for vaccination with easing up of other

00:15:12.840 restrictions, they should say, please, you know, get vaccinated. And then you can throw away the

00:15:16.860 mask. You don't have to social distance back to normal. That's what they said initially. And then

00:15:20.160 they took that back. They have gone wildly in the other direction. No, get vaccinated. We're going to

00:15:24.100 make you. And then you should mask up just as intensely. In fact, double mask. Now that's what

00:15:28.740 they're saying. It's crazy. And the, and the explanation is, well, Delta Delta is very contagious.

00:15:33.360 Delta can be spread even by vaccinated people. So we have to have the mask back on. Okay. Okay. I'll accept

00:15:38.380 that, but then stop pushing me to get vaccinated because if, if I, if I can get it from a vaccinated

00:15:46.500 person, just the same as I can get it from an unvaccinated person, why are you mandating these

00:15:51.520 masks everywhere? Right. It's like, I can get it from anybody. Why are you mandating, mandating the

00:15:55.300 vaccines? I should say. Right. So it's like, if I'm standing next to one guy who's vaccinated and one

00:15:59.060 guy who's not vaccinated, I can get it from either one. Why are you telling me the vaccine is absolutely

00:16:02.980 the solution to me getting it? It's the solution to them winding up in the hospital. I get that argument,

00:16:07.700 right? You have a way less chance of winding up in the hospital or dead, but something's got to

00:16:13.200 give. You can't just keep everybody masked and under a mandatory vaccine forevermore.

00:16:17.540 And I don't know, Robbie, you tell me, cause you're like, I am, you don't like the big thumb of

00:16:21.920 government on you. I'm starting to feel like, like the water is rising and it's starting to cover my

00:16:28.580 mouth and then it's going to cover my nose. I'm starting to have that feeling of like, oh my God,

00:16:33.740 like they're everywhere. They're never going to get off of me.

00:16:36.960 Well, and I'll tell you the scariest thing is I've been looking just in the last like week or two,

00:16:40.940 I've been looking at college campus COVID policies. You know, these are at the more liberal and elite

00:16:46.760 and prestigious, the institution, your Harvard's, your Yale's, your Columbia's, your Stanford's,

00:16:50.440 et cetera. Their COVID mitigation policies are insane, even by the standards of COVID mitigation

00:16:57.440 for now for populations that are almost entirely vaccinated and disproportionately young.

00:17:01.860 So these are the people at the least risk of a negative COVID outcome. And they are telling people

00:17:07.400 the cafeterias are being shut down. You know, eat alone by yourself in your dorm room, see no one,

00:17:14.420 socialize with no one, wear a mask, even when you're outside, wear a mask when you're like jogging

00:17:18.380 by yourself. It's, it's a, it's a dystopia. It's a, it's so crazy. And then of course, what we've seen

00:17:25.240 is that a lot of norms on college campuses, and we've seen this all over the last 10 years with norms

00:17:29.660 with respect to free speech and, you know, woke is on that kind of stuff have spread to all our,

00:17:34.720 all our other institutions. So I'm very worried that as repressive as it is right now, it might

00:17:41.800 even get worse. And it having no bearing on what the state of the pandemic is. We have to talk,

00:17:46.180 pandemic is likely to get less bad. Can we talk about that? The Oberlin college,

00:17:50.080 you, you, you posted a story on this is where I got it from you about what's happening over in

00:17:54.400 college. Very nice college in Ohio. Lena Dunham went there, but so did my mother-in-law. A lot

00:17:58.800 of great people went there where she's now 85. So it was a long time ago. My point is they seem to

00:18:04.180 have lost their ever loving minds and reading your article about the actual warning. I don't know how

00:18:09.040 if you have it in front of you, I've got it in front of me. This is from you. Students should eat

00:18:14.860 outside or alone in their rooms. And only under those two circumstances, should they even think about

00:18:20.540 de-masking? They say the only time you may take off your mask is when you are in your room alone

00:18:26.120 or with your roommate. Masks may be removed while eating outdoors or alone in your room with your

00:18:32.020 roommate. Like you don't even think about taking off that mask unless you're sitting by yourself.

00:18:37.620 I have a, I have a theory that the mask has become sort of like the MAGA hat for Trump people.

00:18:45.040 The mask is, is like an identifying, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a piece of equipment or it's a piece

00:18:50.500 of clothing that identifies you as a member of team blue. You are a Biden voter. You are a good

00:18:56.000 liberal. You know, you're on the side of Dr. Fauci in the science. You didn't vote for Trump.

00:19:01.340 This is how you, you signify who you are to other people. When you, you know, I see, if you see

00:19:05.980 someone driving and they're in the car by themselves, they're wearing a mask. Like, you know,

00:19:10.080 that person voted for Biden, right? It's a, it's a bumper sticker. That's all it is. And it really is

00:19:16.680 bad. It's so sad when I see that, like I will, I give a pass to anybody with gray hair. I really

00:19:22.180 do like anybody who is old and really genuinely very vulnerable to this disease. You mask it up,

00:19:28.940 sister. You do three masks. If you want, I get it. It is, it is very deadly for that age group.

00:19:34.020 You see a young, obviously healthy woman alone in her car and she's got her mask on. I think,

00:19:40.040 oh, sister. Oh, like come back. It's okay. You're going to be fine. Come back.

00:19:46.520 I'm here in Washington DC and I still see, I don't know, 25, 30. I did a count the other day. It was

00:19:52.100 about 35% of people that I encounter on the street, just kind of walking to work are wearing masks

00:19:58.760 outdoors by themselves. You know, this is something even the CDC doesn't say is necessary. Like this is,

00:20:03.840 this is caution beyond what our, to my mind, very overly cautious government health officials have

00:20:09.220 recommended. And in our nation's capital, a lot of people are going a step beyond that.

00:20:14.540 And I, I, I, I mean, I feel sorry for them, but you can make what, you know, as a libertarian,

00:20:18.920 I think you should make whatever choice is in that you want to make is in your best interest. That's

00:20:23.280 fine. That's fine by me, but don't tell me what to do. And this, the COVID mitigation policy is still

00:20:28.760 operated at the level of nope. Everyone is going to do what the most risk averse health official or

00:20:34.300 government official is prescribing for everyone. And that is just, it's, it's, there's no reason

00:20:39.400 for it. You can get the vaccine to protect yourself and take whatever additional precautions you want

00:20:44.540 to take, but please leave me alone at this point. And the infuriating part, which you've been writing

00:20:48.580 a lot about too. And we've been talking about, about a lot here too, is just the exceptions for

00:20:51.920 the elites, right? It's like, so the bus drivers who brought their asses into work and brought kids

00:20:58.100 for, to the schools that were willing to stay open all last year, when we didn't know what was,

00:21:02.080 what they did it or the health, like the nurse who exposed herself to COVID patients before we had

00:21:08.540 a vaccine, before we had any meaningful treatments, she got it and she took the risk to take care of

00:21:14.840 people. Those people are about to get fired for not getting this mandatory vaccine, but we can see

00:21:22.160 elite after elite, whether it's Obama at his birthday party or AOC at the Met Gala or all the Emmy

00:21:28.160 stars at the Emmys. They do not have to wear their masks. They can parade around while the serfs on

00:21:35.240 their knees around them wear all of theirs. The, the migrants coming across the Southern border,

00:21:40.060 they don't have to get the mandatory. It's like people are starting to notice the absurd hypocrisy

00:21:46.600 that we are being, that we're witnessing in the lies that we are being fed.

00:21:49.680 It looks like the, the, the optics of the hunger games when you have like the Met Gala and you have

00:21:55.880 all these unmasked celebrities and AOC, et cetera. And then all the staff behind them is,

00:22:00.740 is masked up. It's, it's, it's gone. It's so appallingly one rule for the elites and another

00:22:05.940 for everyone else. The elites are not following these policies. Our mayors have been caught time.

00:22:10.820 Our democratic mayors caught time and time again, not following their policies in DC. The mayor,

00:22:16.020 Mariel Bowser has thrice, thrice been caught maskless at a, at a social event, a wedding,

00:22:21.620 a birthday party. Uh, the mayor of San Francisco, London breed was, you know, maskless at a concert

00:22:26.960 dancing, partying. And then she's asked about it. And she's like, well, what are you, I'm vaccinated.

00:22:31.020 It's ridiculous. I'm not going to put on a mask in between sips of water. That's insane.

00:22:35.580 And you know what? She's right. Right. We're like, welcome to our team.

00:22:38.980 Right. Exactly. We're like, mayor, welcome. Welcome to the dark side. That's where we all are.

00:22:44.840 But she's the one who, you know, in her day job is spooning these mandates down our throats,

00:22:49.620 which is why obviously it's infuriating. Okay. We're going to talk about the, a couple of new

00:22:53.740 things after this break, how mayor de Blasio got booed at this muckety muck event with Meghan

00:22:59.260 Markle and Prince Harry. Uh, and we're going to talk about Robbie's take on booster shots in a minute

00:23:03.680 and his new book joined today by Robbie Suave. Don't miss him. We're picking back up with him in two minutes.

00:23:14.840 Welcome back everyone to the Megan Kelly show. I'm joined today by Robbie Suave. He's senior editor

00:23:22.120 of reason magazine and author of the brand new book tech panic, why we shouldn't fear Facebook

00:23:28.400 and the future out tomorrow. Okay. So before I get to how I think the tide is turning a bit,

00:23:33.420 I think I do think people are, they're feeling like I am with the water up to here and they've had

00:23:37.460 it. Can I, I missed this cause we were building up to September 11th and people were focused on

00:23:42.080 more important messages. Uh, but Lena, when who used to run Planned Parenthood was on CNN

00:23:47.420 and you wrote a response to this and this is her attitude. She's a far left person.

00:23:52.820 It is so indicative of everything we have seen from these sort of elites and their noses turned

00:24:00.140 up against the unvaccinated, whether they've had COVID before or not. This is what she has to say

00:24:06.080 is the solution to those who remain unvaccinated. That there are privileges associated with being

00:24:11.500 an American that if you wish to have these privileges, you need to get vaccinated,

00:24:16.900 travel and having the right to travel interstate. It's not a constitutional right. As far as I'm,

00:24:22.160 as far as I know to, um, to, to, uh, to board a plane. And so saying that if you want to stay

00:24:28.720 unvaccinated, that's your choice. But if you want to travel, you better go get that vaccine.

00:24:32.400 Okay. So people need to stay in their homes. That's it. Forget Olbermann's policy of stay in

00:24:38.540 your home when you're eating right by yourself. That's when you can take off your mask. She's like,

00:24:42.720 if you're unvaccinated, don't leave. That's it. You don't get to go outside anymore.

00:24:45.740 I mean, she's all but suggesting that the unvaccinated should have numbers tattooed to

00:24:49.540 their, to their faces. Right. I mean, it's, it's nakedly tyrannical. Um, by the way, she's wrong.

00:24:55.420 It is a constitutional right to be able to travel from state to state. Um, the very first purpose of

00:25:01.260 our, of, of having a federal, uh, uh, government was, was to like resolve squabbles, uh, between

00:25:07.460 the States you act. So maybe, maybe there's no specific right to, to take a plane or a train,

00:25:12.920 but, but yes, the government cannot prohibit people from traveling broadly. I mean, she is,

00:25:17.820 she is speaking from this perspective that is treating the unvaccinated like they're lepers or

00:25:23.120 something like they're like they're an other, like they're subhuman. And I don't, I think that's

00:25:27.760 morally wrong. I think that's practically wrong. Again, I am all about trying to encourage more

00:25:33.160 people to get vaccinated. I don't think treating them this way is, is useful is going to, is going

00:25:38.880 to, I think that will make some people even more defiant about not wanting to get vaccinated because

00:25:44.680 you're, you know, you're, you're deplorableizing them and it's just, and it speaks to her. She has such a

00:25:50.380 rather cruel mindset, uh, for, for how we should, uh, for how we should behave to our fellow Americans.

00:25:57.220 She, she said it's this, we should look at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look

00:26:02.920 at driving while intoxicated that, that basically it's the same thing. My not getting vaccinated,

00:26:10.020 which by the way, I did get vaccinated and I believe in the vaccines too. I'd love to see everybody get

00:26:13.980 them. You know, if your doctor says it's good for you, but, um, that that's the same as getting

00:26:19.360 completely hammered and getting, getting behind the wheel of a dangerous instrumentality.

00:26:24.640 Yeah. Which is wrong. It's not, uh, driving, uh, driving while intoxicated does put other people

00:26:30.400 at risk. You shouldn't do that. It should be illegal. Uh, but not the people who are the

00:26:34.880 unvaccinated are mostly, uh, putting their own lives at risk and the risks of other unvaccinated

00:26:40.060 people. If you want to be protected, you can get vaccinated. It's it's, you can look at the data.

00:26:45.080 Our, our hospitals are, are, are filled up overwhelmingly with people who are unvaccinated.

00:26:50.580 The people who are dying are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated. So you can, you can address this

00:26:55.180 concern by being vaccinated. If someone else is going to make a different choice, maybe that choice

00:26:59.880 is wrong. Maybe it's wrong for their own personal health interest, but it's really not affecting you

00:27:04.920 so much anymore. It's, it would be more like, you know, deciding not to wear a seatbelt or not a helmet

00:27:09.880 when you're biking, something like that. Maybe, uh, maybe not the most, uh, cautious decision for

00:27:15.320 you, but it's not actually really undermining anyone else's safety. And at which point we need

00:27:19.940 to kind of live and let live for goodness sake. Well, that's the thing. So it's like now that with

00:27:25.200 Delta, you can get it. I mean, the, the earlier, uh, versions, variants of this, of this virus were

00:27:32.460 not as transmissible by people who had the vaccine. That was one of the early selling points of the

00:27:37.320 vaccine. Um, but it is, it is still transmissible if you've had the vaccine, especially Delta that

00:27:43.320 they find it in your nose. They found it. They that's why you can still get it from a vaccinated

00:27:46.880 person. So I got it. I was vaccinated and I got it. I had a breakthrough case. Yeah. So, so it happens

00:27:51.940 now, but what that means is that you should get the vaccine to prevent yourself from getting

00:27:57.240 hospitalized or from dying from COVID, which is a real risk, especially if you are older. And, but,

00:28:04.280 but the point is it's not like driving while intoxicated. I can get COVID from a vaccinated

00:28:09.780 person or an unvaccinated person, right? It's like, it is nowhere near as reckless not to get

00:28:15.840 the vaccine toward other people as getting behind the wheel of a car while driving. But this is how

00:28:21.520 this group of people is being treated. Even back to our other point, if they, if they've had COVID and

00:28:27.020 they have natural immunity, which by the way, the studies are showing makes you more,

00:28:30.060 more immune, more than with a vaccine. Um, okay. So I think people are about, they've had it and

00:28:37.780 more and more we're seeing pockets of folks sort of rise up, push back. And there were two examples

00:28:44.000 of that of all places in New York city over the weekend. All right. So first mayor de Blasio went

00:28:49.580 to this concert, Megan Markle, Harry were there lecturing everybody about the environment before

00:28:54.080 they got on their private jet to fly home. People suck. Um, and, and mayor de Blasio was

00:29:02.640 there and look at the reception he got to protect our planet and every person on it, especially

00:29:10.520 the young people in Florida. We will not let them down. Things are not a sacrifice. They're necessary.

00:29:18.920 This is our greatest opportunity to create a better and more judged world for all, but we've got to do

00:29:23.800 it now. To those who are listening and not watching on YouTube, um, you see a lot of middle fingers going

00:29:30.440 up to that. They're not accepting his message. And then I'll just, I'll just partner that with my

00:29:35.260 next soundbite, which is protesters in New York city. It's Staten Island, which is more red, but

00:29:41.140 still New York city, um, going to the food court of a mall, uh, which is only open to the vaccinated

00:29:48.400 basically with another middle finger for that policy. Uh, watch and listen.

00:30:00.440 USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA go deep, that is what we're here to do.

00:30:28.500 that is what we're here to do everybody don't get food and eat that is what we're here to do

00:30:35.080 then we're gonna meet back over there and go into the food court area and sit our butts down

00:30:41.780 that's it they're gonna go sit our butts down and we're gonna eat and uh you see people waving

00:30:46.520 the american flag people on twitter leftists on twitter were they were stunned that this took

00:30:51.680 place in new york city in any one of the boroughs of new york city you're only allowed remember they

00:30:56.160 think you're only allowed an exemption from covid mitigation restrictions if you're attending a

00:31:01.780 black lives matter protest or a rude bader ginsburg morning if you're right right or that very

00:31:07.560 important if you know it's not it's not dangerous very important health exception because there isn't

00:31:11.400 racism the real pandemic i mean i mean we're like we're making fun of this but these were these are

00:31:15.260 actual things that the health officials came out and said but two summers ago um look i think i think

00:31:21.620 people have to be over it because the goalposts have shifted so many times first we were told

00:31:25.700 two weeks this is gonna be a two-week thing and then we'll go back to normal and then it was

00:31:29.600 actually we're gonna hold on we're gonna do this until there until we have the vaccine and then it

00:31:33.820 was okay we're gonna do this until everyone is able to get a vaccine who wants one and then it's

00:31:38.260 like no we're just going to do this stuff in debt forever forever there what will be like i'm

00:31:43.400 so afraid that officials that these things will remain in place the masking the i mean we've seen

00:31:48.800 this with terrorism actually right the the tsa you still take off your belt and your shoes to get on a

00:31:53.720 plane even though we now know those things do not make anyone safer like whatsoever that they're you

00:32:00.040 know the tsa routinely misses your items when you're going through the the knives and things like

00:32:05.600 that um it's all like for show it's all theater and that could i could easily see that still being the

00:32:13.840 case for many of our covid strategies will still be you know when you're in line uh in dc in a in a

00:32:19.400 restaurant if you're going to like grab a grab a sandwich or something you know you're supposed to

00:32:23.500 wear your mask when you're in line but then if you actually sit down to eat it well then you can take

00:32:27.020 it off it makes no sense whatsoever but everybody's we're just doing it it's crazy no it's absurd at our

00:32:33.640 school um at the end of october the end of october okay so it's more than a month away there's an

00:32:38.720 outdoor sort of fair that they have at the end of the month and they've already issued an outdoor

00:32:44.000 mask mandate for all the children it's like okay that's a month away still we're actually getting

00:32:50.240 delta under control according to most of the media reports in terms of its number of cases and so on

00:32:55.060 and it's outside what are you what are you doing it to your point it's just more of the comfort check

00:33:01.300 more of the taking the shoes off that will do absolutely nothing other than tick people off um

00:33:06.240 okay so i want to move on because i really want to talk to you about your book i find this fascinating

00:33:10.100 uh by the way i'm joined by robbie suave he's author of the new book tech panic why we shouldn't

00:33:15.580 fear facebook and the future here yeah oh he's got it right there okay and you know what we'll pick it

00:33:21.060 up we'll squeeze in a quick break and then i want to pick it up because um the book is really interesting

00:33:25.440 it talks about bias uh and censorship at these organizations and um that's very timely because

00:33:32.200 you got people like nikki minaj claiming that she was thrown in twitter jail just for sharing her

00:33:36.240 views on the covet vaccine are you next what does robbie think and why does this message make me

00:33:41.060 feel better about big tech stay tuned

00:33:43.400 welcome back to the megan kelly show i am joined today by robbie suave it's a fun last name because

00:33:53.980 it's spelled s-o-a-v-e so you're like sove soave but it's suave and he's senior editor of reason

00:34:01.300 magazine and author of the brand new book tech panic why we should not fear facebook and the

00:34:07.180 future out tomorrow robbie okay so let's talk about this um you give me the overall theory of

00:34:14.060 the book because you're going to be able to say it better than i can absolutely so i have covered a

00:34:18.000 lot of the big tech issues and i share a lot of the concerns that people particularly on the right

00:34:22.480 have about censorship and bias and that kind of thing so i am i am by no means making the claim that

00:34:27.920 that doesn't exist or that's not happening it is a problem but i think a lot of people and again

00:34:32.520 especially on the right miss the tremendous benefit of social media social media has actually made it

00:34:37.780 much easier to share opinions that depart from mainstream media orthodoxy or progressive

00:34:43.240 uh viewpoints to to get your message out there and as evidence of that i see a lot of people

00:34:48.760 alternative voices and conservative voices doing really well on facebook on youtube on other places

00:34:55.100 so so because so many of the solutions to the issue of censorship involve actually harming big

00:35:00.760 tech or breaking up facebook taking away its liability protection all those kinds of things

00:35:04.960 i'm just saying okay hold on i i see why you're upset but if you did any of those things i think it

00:35:10.660 would actually advantage the left it would advantage the mainstream media and as evidence of that i can

00:35:16.300 point to the fact that elizabeth warren and the new york times support all these exact same policies

00:35:22.000 probably because they realized it would actually hurt conservatives if you implemented them okay

00:35:26.500 what about i i love vivek ramaswamy who made it big in the tech industry in the in the medical tech

00:35:33.140 industry and now he's out there he wrote the book woke inc and he's out there sort of fighting against

00:35:38.300 this woke nonsense he's using his powers and his monies for good and um he has he has a theory he has a

00:35:46.680 legal theory along with jed rubenfeld of yale law school he was married to tiger mom amy chua

00:35:50.960 um that we should be we should recognize big tech as essentially government actors for purposes of

00:35:58.200 the first amendment that they're so large they're so ubiquitous they're in control of so much of our

00:36:02.180 society we should treat them as they are government entities and therefore if they were subject to the

00:36:06.600 first amendment which only state actors are um that would prevent viewpoint censorship they would

00:36:13.860 not they would not be allowed to censor your view just because it's conservative on their forums what do

00:36:19.840 you what do you make of that i don't think the supreme court would be likely to agree with this

00:36:25.340 theory it's an interesting idea it has it's been tested out there was a preliminary court case a while

00:36:30.180 back and and i i respect jed rubenfeld immensely but that position didn't win so i i just i don't think

00:36:36.360 at the end of the day that that's going to be the case i would also now i don't want them to be

00:36:40.560 considered they should not be considered state actors the white house considers social media to be an

00:36:45.640 extension of its own decrees of its of its you know pandemic misinformation but they're doing the

00:36:50.340 white house is bidding without without doing what would really be required of them which is fairness

00:36:54.420 to the other side but they're doing it because they're afraid of the government coming after them

00:36:59.200 if they don't they're being so i i taught for this book i talked to people at facebook what goes

00:37:03.900 into some of these really bad calls you made like with the hunter biden story for example

00:37:08.240 really egregious biased stuff why do you do these things and what i learned is that they do it because

00:37:15.300 they're being ordered to do it by the mainstream media and by our own government these people are

00:37:20.240 are are are are saying saying we're going to we're going to hunt you down and destroy you or shame you

00:37:25.760 drag you through uh you know public lynch mob for not doing more of this this kind of thing we're

00:37:30.580 demanding more of this so i'm here thinking well maybe the problem isn't really social media maybe the

00:37:36.360 problem is that we our mainstream media is actually the very is so censorship inclined and our government

00:37:43.140 wants this kind of censorship we need to be fighting those people we need to be calling them out it

00:37:49.180 actually harming so social media is is doing too much of what they want i agree but our our only way

00:37:54.940 of fighting back is actually on social media so we would limit our own outlet if we if we we would

00:38:01.220 give actually the mainstream media exactly what it wants because facebook is a competitor it's an

00:38:05.280 upstart competitor twitter is a competitor youtube is a competitor to to the new york times the

00:38:10.780 washington post and cnn etc they want to have a stranglehold over what you get to say and social

00:38:15.820 media has made that impossible which is actually a good thing well they they do seem very interested

00:38:20.720 in serving those masters i mean they're they certainly kowtow to what the mainstream wants them

00:38:25.800 to do and what the government wants them to do a lot but i think it it's no accident that it

00:38:30.420 coincides with their own ideology is it and i mean why do we have to choose between fighting youtube

00:38:35.380 and fighting the mainstream media why do we have to choose between the infantry and the cavalry like

00:38:39.980 all hands on deck let's fight them all yeah but at any if you tune if you look at the top articles

00:38:46.280 on facebook at any given minute they are from tucker carlson ben shapiro fox news breitbart the daily

00:38:53.480 caller conservatives use facebook for sure it's there it's it's a really it's probably it is arguably

00:38:59.920 the most important to modern communication tool for getting out views that dissent from liberal orthodoxy

00:39:07.080 it has four times the reach of twitter yeah yeah so it's so important i i i'm very worried we would

00:39:13.900 shoot ourselves in the foot by doing something to disrupt it um you know i do not want to go back to

00:39:19.280 the era where i mean the new york times is never going to run an op-ed by a republican ever again

00:39:24.160 that was the message they took from the whole tom cotton debacle so we like we cannot have these

00:39:29.700 people have more they want control over the conversation and we cannot let them have it and

00:39:34.840 i'm worried that a lot of the proposals to deal with so-called big tech and also the the censorship

00:39:39.600 problem is coming from within it's the employees at these tech companies it's the woke employees the

00:39:45.460 the the people who run the companies don't necessarily want to do these things they feel

00:39:49.200 pressured internally because their their their employees are so far left they were educated

00:39:53.340 they gotta grow a pair yeah they gotta grow a pair you know my favorite story the whole woke two years

00:39:57.980 that we've had at a minimum i mean like the explosion of woke was the wall street journal when they had

00:40:03.180 some 80 employees say oh you printed something by heather mcdonald of the manhattan institute who's

00:40:08.540 amazing by the way um and you printed somebody else we didn't like and we're gonna walk out and the

00:40:13.260 wall street journal responded by saying i totally get it understand your position bye you don't have

00:40:19.340 to work here no problem that's that's the right way to handle those employees they don't run the

00:40:24.720 joint until their name is under the masthead they can get out or shut up i mean that those are your

00:40:29.140 two positions okay options yeah i want to ask you about you say you have a position that the

00:40:34.160 radicalized right does not essentially need to be feared in these formats you say we should be

00:40:38.260 doubtful that a precipitous increase in political violence is likely to follow insufficient online

00:40:45.220 moderation boy oh boy is that the opposite of what we've heard from everybody in the wake of january

00:40:51.060 6th and i thought your point about the southern poverty law center was a very good one because they

00:40:55.860 and the adl uh who just went after tucker he was on on friday saying if i quote fuck them

00:41:01.300 that they i didn't know we could say that on your show yeah you could go for it that they've become

00:41:07.540 these sort of partisan radical organizations not these independent civility watchdogs yeah these

00:41:15.980 organizations are always trying to convince you that extremism and hate are getting worse because they

00:41:21.480 get more donations when these things are getting worse so the way this other poverty law center counts

00:41:26.880 hate groups is is kind of ridiculous if you look at their map like this group could be eight people

00:41:32.820 and it could even be like a black nationalist group and then maybe they have a falling out so

00:41:37.180 it splits into two groups of four people and then they oh the hate has doubled last year and it has

00:41:42.520 something to do with trump and ben carson was on their list they did they labeled ben carson his own

00:41:48.220 hate group or a terrorist i can't remember what the exact label was but they ultimately as far as i can tell

00:41:52.680 social media actually de-radicalizes some people it's you know the media is so obsessed with the idea

00:41:59.020 that you know your poor innocent little child is just innocently googling you know i don't know

00:42:04.080 whatever the disney movie is and then they'll suddenly come across nazi content uh that doesn't

00:42:09.260 really happen it doesn't work like that it's more likely that nazis will come across uh uh uh harm

00:42:14.900 uh centrist content that will steer them away from radicalization and there are many papers showing

00:42:20.380 that now so the fear does not all right so what about this this position that facetime the whole

00:42:27.060 like addiction anxiety and depression because your position on that and we've done stories on this of

00:42:32.200 course as as the mother of three kids i worry about this you know that we saw the social network which

00:42:37.800 showed us how facebook is designed to be addictive and to keep you on there forever and to call

00:42:42.940 information about you so that they know what will make you come on and they tap you on the shoulder

00:42:46.680 digitally to get you to log on and before you know you've lost eight hours of your day or your kid

00:42:51.060 has blah blah blah you say correlation in terms of rising anxiety depression rates especially among

00:42:59.000 teens does not it's not the same thing as causation what do you mean yeah i i certainly think there are

00:43:06.440 some addictiveness concerns with social media and parents are well advised to tell their kids to get

00:43:12.680 off their phones every now and then i but we don't need any government intervention to do this right

00:43:17.900 i don't when i was a when i was a kid i was limited to i was only allowed to play like one hour of video

00:43:22.900 games a day so you you my that was i i would have been addicted to video games if not for that we can

00:43:27.760 use that we can do that same thing we can empower parents to limit the amount of time kids spend on

00:43:32.440 their phone no phones uh in the bedroom because then they stay up all night they're tired and that's

00:43:37.720 what i think the increase in anxiety is they're not they're not sleeping um but if you look at the

00:43:42.440 research it seems to me like some kids uh they do have negative uh mental health outcomes because of

00:43:48.940 social media but also kids who are not on social media at all they also have bad uh mental health

00:43:55.400 outcomes because they're you know they're kind of like loners who are not interacting with friends

00:43:58.760 they don't have friends it looks to me like there's a there's a good chunk of kids who are responsibly

00:44:04.300 using social media or are using it in positive ways to connect with their friends you know think

00:44:08.740 of the pandemic i mean the last two years i think our young people are depressed because it was

00:44:14.260 horrible they were they were forced to stay inside school was shut down extracurriculars and i think

00:44:19.160 social media was probably a net positive given that this was going on it was it was something that

00:44:25.120 would like without that they probably would have been even more depressed because of what we went

00:44:29.040 through what about that though i don't really necessarily want the government to solve it for me but

00:44:34.060 you what about facebook what about you know instagram we just saw that terrible story about how that's

00:44:41.340 led to increased suicidality um amongst girls in particular who are all over instagram seeing these

00:44:48.000 perfect images and as much as the moms and the dads say sweetheart that's not real that is like kim

00:44:53.000 kardashian's got as much cellulite on her ass as the average woman that's been filtered um it doesn't

00:44:59.720 you know dealing with like a 13 or 14 year old girl and trying to like really make her understand

00:45:04.500 that on a gut level is tough and so i look i'm afraid to even say this so number one shouldn't we

00:45:11.260 just be pressuring the companies themselves to make a change to make it less addictive and sort of less

00:45:15.480 i don't like crack and number two what if we did bring in the government because i hate to say it but

00:45:20.640 the chinese i hate to cite the chinese who are engaged in ethnic genocide for anything moral

00:45:26.480 but they are actually cracking down they added a time limit for kids under 14 on their version of

00:45:31.900 tiktok they've banned nighttime use for teenager i'm like should we be following the chinese i the first

00:45:38.060 amendment will i think prohibit us ultimately from doing that i the video games i think is a is a pretty

00:45:43.120 good comparison because there were a lot of concerns that violent video games were making kids more

00:45:48.200 violent uh we now know that that research is totally bunk and if anything violent video games

00:45:52.840 probably uh deter the minority of kids who are violent because it gives them an outlet other than

00:45:58.680 creating than causing real violence uh but anyway the you know very important supreme court case

00:46:03.020 authored by by scalia you know the arch conservative saying violent video games are speech you can't

00:46:09.540 the government of the governor of san francisco can't can't prohibit um uh uh vendors from selling

00:46:16.300 these games directly to kids because it's a first amendment issue so i i think that i think that's

00:46:21.580 a pretty direct comparison here so i i don't i i straight i don't think in a constitutional sense

00:46:27.120 you can necessarily bring in the government but i do again i do absolutely think parents should talk

00:46:31.700 to their kids about their social media use um if it's having a a and also we can absolutely put

00:46:37.280 pressure on the companies to make different changes yes the problem here is really instagram i

00:46:41.420 kids aren't even on facebook frankly facebook is becoming boomer book but they're all there will

00:46:46.600 be a new technology right now there's tiktok there's there's always something new so this

00:46:50.860 concern that oh we have to fix this is the thing we have to fix well kids will eventually not be

00:46:55.480 interested in that and there'll be something else you know glossy magazines probably had some of the

00:46:59.780 same body image issues which is not to say it was like it was correct to bring up those things

00:47:03.940 and to talk about them i just doesn't feel like a new problem or one the government

00:47:08.020 is any more likely to solve than these past ones robbie so interesting the book is tech panic it's

00:47:14.160 out tomorrow i recommend it you'll feel better as i did great to see you speaking of censorship up

00:47:19.460 next the latest on hunter biden and the new york post writer who's behind those stories sarab

00:47:24.360 rahmani's here next welcome back to the megan kelly show everyone so much to go over today i'm so excited

00:47:33.240 about today's show uh i am joined now by sarab amari he is the op-ed editor at the new york post

00:47:38.900 and author of the unbroken thread discovering the wisdom of tradition in an age of chaos uh and of

00:47:46.180 course you know the new york post was behind the hunter biden story that was suppressed by all of

00:47:50.360 social media right before last year's presidential election well new emails uh from hunter biden suggest

00:47:57.760 the first son uh has always tried to sell access to his famous father and by the way you know other

00:48:04.540 people now sarab are late to the party um i will say hat hats off to politico and and ben schreckinger

00:48:12.520 who's written a book called the biden's inside the fam the first family's 50-year rise to power

00:48:17.020 confirming some of your reporting and that now i guess has given some in the mainstream media permission

00:48:23.780 to finally admit that you had it right all along but they're not exactly falling on their swords are

00:48:31.000 they yeah no um megan thanks for having me on i should just at the outset clarify that um i helped

00:48:37.880 run the opinion pages so i was not responsible for the reporting the amazing reporting into the hunter

00:48:43.000 files that yeah my colleagues brought forward yeah exactly um but um uh look i mean it's um the johnny

00:48:52.400 come lately attitude about this is frankly enraging from the point of view of people in our newsroom

00:48:58.760 um because at the moment when it really mattered when you had the kind of the entire big tech

00:49:05.900 uh intelligence community the whole establishment coming against us not just coming against us in words

00:49:12.140 but in genuine using coercive power censoring us uh reducing circulation on our articles on facebook

00:49:20.700 banning our twitter account even banning our readers from sharing uh our hunter biden reporting

00:49:26.680 uh in their direct private messages let alone posting them to their public feeds when all of that was

00:49:33.840 happening this whole you know with a few honorable exceptions glenn greenwald matt taibi a few others

00:49:41.900 the rest of the big media um cheered the censorship cheered calling it uh misinformation without doing

00:49:49.640 any reporting and so and you know the election had its outcome and we don't know how it would have

00:49:56.640 been affected had our reporting been brought in front of the more of the american people um which they were

00:50:03.860 barred from seeing it so to say it now it is so typical uh i think of our elites and our establishment

00:50:10.800 where once um the danger of some piece of reporting to the regime as a whole has been diffused and it's no

00:50:18.920 longer a threat then they'll come around and say oh yeah maybe the new york post had a point maybe we

00:50:23.560 shouldn't have we shouldn't have called it misinformation without actually looking into this

00:50:27.560 report no there's there's no apology there's no soul searching they're not sorry so i mean maybe to

00:50:33.600 their credit they're not being disingenuous now um let's talk about what specifically politico that

00:50:39.200 and ben in particular have managed to uncover that dovetails confirms your own reporting because i can

00:50:45.880 read it to the audience but i think you can make it more clear as i understand it there's um okay

00:50:51.120 number one a person who had independent access to hunter biden's emails confirmed he did receive a

00:50:56.440 2015 email from a ukrainian businessman thanking him for the chance to meet joe biden that's one and the

00:51:03.920 second is uh same goes for a 2017 email in which a proposed equity breakdown of a venture with the

00:51:11.900 chinese energy executives includes the line quote 10 held by h for the big guy this person that they

00:51:20.960 spoke with recalled seeing both emails was not in a position to compare the leaked emails word for word

00:51:25.980 to the originals but the 10 held for h for the big guy was a big story out of your story because it

00:51:33.040 seemed to allude to hunter striking this deal with chinese energy executives and would reserve 10 percent

00:51:40.820 for the man who is now president of the united states yep so um we didn't need this confirmation

00:51:47.260 we're grateful for it obviously um but anyone who actually looked at our reporting instead of falling for

00:51:54.020 the russian disinformation hysteria that was promoted by critics of the post anyone who paid attention to

00:52:00.780 our story and then the aftermath including reporting uh at fox news would know that those emails uh

00:52:08.000 were what we claimed they were um so just to just to rewind just a little bit yeah what we originally

00:52:15.240 published and had banned by twitter was emails that showed as you said that um hunter biden seemingly arranged

00:52:23.940 meetings between his father then vice president of the united states the second most powerful man in the

00:52:30.720 world and the obama administration's point man on ukraine on the one hand and executives from a shady

00:52:37.880 energy firm called a ukrainian energy firm called burisma that was paying hunter uh upwards of eighty three

00:52:45.360 thousand dollars a month and um just a few points about this is that even at the time and still today

00:52:52.520 neither hunter nor his father did have have flatly denied the authenticity of the email that we put forward

00:53:00.060 ever that would yep that would have been the easiest way to challenge it it's all fake there you go then

00:53:06.060 then the ball would have been in the post court um so they they not and and hunter didn't even challenge

00:53:12.780 the ownership of of the of the laptop when he was pressed on it later by a television interview he said

00:53:19.300 it in koi um and then we brought further confirmation of the of the uh chinese transaction which you alluded

00:53:27.740 to with a 10 10 health for the big guy um through a business associate of hunters um this guy babalinsky

00:53:35.540 who went on on the record and said you know i'm a democrat um he's a former uh intelligence officer

00:53:41.700 credible guy and said that these that those chinese emails were authentic because he was he was in on those

00:53:48.620 um communications so you know like i said it wasn't that our reporting was unsubstantiated before

00:53:56.280 until political came around um it was perfect it was it was as substantiated as a story could get

00:54:01.920 and yet the new york times even as recently as a week ago called it unsubstantiated and then they

00:54:08.160 ninja edited their story without even correcting or anything this is big can you explain that because

00:54:14.620 this is outrageous and they have a pattern of doing this yeah i mean there's just no basis for doing

00:54:20.020 that the the federal elections uh commission will get to that later but the federal election commission

00:54:24.280 basically said twitter did not um commit kind of election law wrongdoing by suppressing our hunter

00:54:32.300 biden story um and in reporting that decision the new york times appended the adjective unsubstantiated

00:54:39.960 to our reporting what's what part is unsubstantiated right what has fallen apart not even the small

00:54:46.820 details right like uh what you know it's not like we published the salacious content from the laptop

00:54:52.780 like hunter with with with uh crack pipes and so forth we didn't do that to humiliate hunter biden but to

00:54:59.780 show that we had what we claimed to have we had the laptop it was real um and none of that came under

00:55:06.480 any real scrutiny and in so far as it did it's withstood all scrutiny so what's unsubstantiated

00:55:12.780 and then megan you'll remember compare that to rings of stories of the past four years published by

00:55:19.440 left of center kind of prestige outlets the likes of buzzfeed and mcclatchy and many others that did

00:55:26.120 collapse under factual scrutiny supposedly for example um president trump's suborning perjury from michael

00:55:32.660 cohen um collapsed within a matter of hours that story wasn't censored and the new york times doesn't

00:55:39.020 refer to these types of reports as unsubstantiated without even claiming how it was unsubstantiated

00:55:44.440 it's also underhanded so base um then it raises your blood pressure well you can see you know the

00:55:52.660 white house the top democrats they dismiss anything from the new york post the daily caller fox news

00:55:59.400 as having a partisan agenda and therefore must be you know immediately dismissed and so it it was

00:56:07.120 interesting to me to see okay now what are they going to say because they can't say that about

00:56:11.420 politico they certainly can't say that politico is a right-wing organization so now what are they going

00:56:15.720 to say and here was jen saki at the white house being asked about this by peter ducey just this past

00:56:21.840 friday and here's what she said thank you jen two topics really quick first the president has said and

00:56:27.240 you have tweeted that allegations of wrongdoing based on files pulled from hunter biden's laptop

00:56:32.620 are russian disinformation there is a new book by politico reporter that finds some of the files

00:56:37.740 on there are genuine is the white house still going with russian disinformation i think it's broadly

00:56:43.400 known and widely known peter that there was a broad range of russian disinformation back in 2020

00:56:48.180 that's it that's as much as she's willing to say we went back and checked the full context just to

00:56:52.460 make sure she hadn't you know then fallen on the sword she didn't they're still going with

00:56:56.900 disinformation they will never acknowledge it even though the truth is as plain as the nose on your

00:57:01.480 face you know what's really um disturbing about all this i've talked about this before but i can't get

00:57:07.700 over it the russian disinformation um charge which has been an obsession of the liberal elite for the past

00:57:15.400 four or five years but with respect to the hunter files the russian disinformation charge really got

00:57:22.620 its wings after 50 intelligence officials including you know general hayden and and others uh wrote that

00:57:31.320 letter in which they said um if you'll remember we don't have any evidence that the post's hunter files

00:57:39.260 reporting is russian disinformation nevertheless it bears all the indicia or it bears all the

00:57:46.420 hallmarks of russian disinformation so you know and and so you and then you'll see the names right

00:57:52.560 director of cia former deputy director of operations of any at the nsa and so on and so forth and it lends

00:57:59.480 it this sort of official credibility but what is the role of the press when 50 top spooks claim

00:58:07.640 something about one of two um uh major party presidential candidates is it to serve as

00:58:15.860 stenographers and just parrot whatever the intelligence officials said or is it to investigate

00:58:21.640 and see okay is it true or not that's not they did not investigate they did not question they acted

00:58:28.920 like stenographers for general hayden and the like oh yes sir it is russian disinformation and see the

00:58:34.720 the 50 intelligence officials say it's russian disinformation megan you know that the news

00:58:41.380 business has to be in a somewhat adversarial position with unaccountable power and there's

00:58:47.880 no more unaccountable power i i would argue in this country than these intelligence agencies right they

00:58:52.480 can they can drone people out of the sky without really anyone having much oversight over what they do

00:58:58.280 so when they come out and tip the scales on it on a major news story and lend their names to a

00:59:04.600 campaign to suppress a major news story by america's oldest continuously published newspaper

00:59:10.480 the daily post you would expect other reporters to say hey wait a second is that true uh let's check

00:59:16.340 in let's let's let's question no they all just sort of follow it it looks like it looks like

00:59:23.140 disinformation it's like it reminds me of there's this weird meme online that and people actually

00:59:29.560 write me and ask me this question that says i look a lot like nicole brown simpson and people actually

00:59:36.000 write me notes saying are you nicole brown simpson i'm like nicole brown simpson was oj simpson's ex-wife

00:59:42.060 when she was murdered by him back in the early 1990s so said a civil court jury at the time she sadly is no

00:59:49.120 longer with us and i am not nicole brown simpson even though i admit i do look a little bit like her

00:59:54.720 that that is not the end of the query you have to go look for ascertainable verifiable facts to figure

01:00:00.980 out whether your theory might be correct and they didn't and the reason they didn't is because they

01:00:06.440 wanted it to be disinformation they wanted the hunter biden story to go away they wanted anything

01:00:11.120 that could hurt biden to go away because they had trump derangement syndrome and when you look back

01:00:16.640 surab on the what the media said okay so so uh facebook twitter they did their part to suppress

01:00:22.740 it immediately saying oh it doesn't comply with our policies it's got uh hacked materials that's what

01:00:27.320 twitter said but my team pulled um some of the some of the examples okay uh let's see see the mainstream

01:00:36.080 media completely ignored the story they completely ignored the story when it broke cnn did not address it

01:00:40.720 at all uh abc cbs and nbc all censored the bombshell from their evening newscasts uh nbc finally

01:00:47.640 mentioned it on october 15th days after it was broken uh for the purpose of questioning the quote

01:00:53.000 dubious stories legitimacy that's how they get on record that they covered it just to say it's dubious

01:00:58.800 and we question its legitimacy and they refer to you guys as a tabloid right this is like basically the

01:01:03.940 star this is the national inquirer you know this is the sun whatever um abc good morning america

01:01:09.880 skipped it all together cbs uh they discussed it for less than two minutes on october 15th msnbc

01:01:15.520 largely ignored it except to have george joe scarborough come on dismiss it as false on the

01:01:21.020 october 15th broadcast and say it's much better for twitter to let people read the new york post

01:01:25.880 article and sit there and laugh at the hokey story so this is one of the stupidest october surprises in

01:01:31.680 recent memory msnbc producer kyle griffin on twitter no one should link or share that new york post

01:01:37.320 report report is in quotes you can discuss the obvious flaws and unanswerable questions in the

01:01:42.700 report without amplifying what appears to be everyone together disinformation new york times

01:01:48.860 high highly suspicious and covering it npr talked about it as unsubstantiated washington post

01:01:55.080 published an explainer detailing all the many flaws in the story they ignored tony bovolinsky when

01:02:01.400 he spoke to tucker i could go on you it's important to go back and remember what they were saying because

01:02:08.480 they were all wrong and they didn't care they just wanted to take you guys down because you published a

01:02:15.260 story that wasn't good for h h's dad well look i i want to defend the honor of tabloids i've worked at

01:02:22.740 both um broadsheet newspapers i was at the wall street journal for five years and then um you know

01:02:28.700 three years now at the new york post and um i have to say that that actually what we really need

01:02:36.460 is the spirited kind of journalism that tabloids do and have done which actually has much deeper

01:02:43.720 roots in american journalism american journalism in the in the 18th and 19th century was a lot more

01:02:50.040 like tabloid uh journalism it's it's a relatively recent phenomenon it was of the of the of the 20th

01:02:56.880 century of the age of kind of the rise of managerial class capitalism that you have these these

01:03:03.320 newspapers that have this sort of objective voice where they they claim to stand above various parties

01:03:09.580 and and and not to not to have that spirit that spunk of of of of a tabloid and it worked in so far

01:03:16.760 as these outlets still had a degree that the kind of mainstream polite uh quote-unquote objectives when

01:03:24.600 they were actually curious when they when they they were willing to call it as they saw it and to go

01:03:30.540 after both sides but now when you have these outlets that are so nakedly and obviously partisan so

01:03:37.960 obviously reflecting um a kind of elite consensus that dominates not just media but big tech and and

01:03:46.720 academic academia and corporations and so forth when they when they do that when they're so partisan

01:03:53.620 it actually it reveals how hollow their claims to objectivity are there you know a curious outlet

01:04:00.580 would be like hey let me actually just let me just look into this right let me put two editors and three

01:04:06.020 reporters and see i'm sure the new york post is full of crap so let me debunk it with that did none of

01:04:11.940 them this will be easy right well and plus i mean let's be real the new york post tabloid is one thing

01:04:17.660 but it is not the the the magazine that's telling me in the supermarket checkout aisle every week

01:04:23.080 that jennifer aniston is pregnant again that some aliens came down and have like taken over chicago

01:04:28.460 but whatever the new york post has broken a lot of big stories so that term gets i think bandied about

01:04:34.820 a little bit too loosely um and you know it even the true tabloids like the national inquirer broke

01:04:40.940 stories like the john edwards affair that had massive national implications um i want to ask you

01:04:46.800 about um where all this takes us right because i feel like they they there will be no acknowledgement

01:04:54.280 and the next big story in the next big election cycle that comes down that's bad for the democrats

01:04:58.720 is likely to be treated the same because they've gotten away with it scot-free from the fec to the

01:05:04.020 press just acting in uniform to not be apologetic for their mistakes to make the mistakes and then not be

01:05:08.500 apologetic for them so what does that mean i mean what do we what do we have as a fact checker as

01:05:14.520 as a truth meter what do we have so i'm relatively pessimistic about this i think that um uh our elite

01:05:23.740 beginning in 2015-16 really freaked out at two things one was brexit and then followed a few months

01:05:31.040 later by the election of donald trump two movements that challenged the whole post-cold war consensus

01:05:36.880 because they reflected the frustrations of vast swaths of of the west the united states and europe who

01:05:44.120 who just feel like this new order hasn't served them well hasn't served their families well their jobs

01:05:49.420 have been offshore um they uh they're they're not happy with open borders and labor arbitrage leaving

01:05:57.500 them at a disadvantage so they turned to populist movements really freaked out our elites and so

01:06:03.660 they are now i think um more unified the elites than ever before and some of when i say elites it's not

01:06:10.960 just the left it also includes lots of um kind of traditional gop uh establishment types they're all

01:06:18.420 sort of this one uniparty that is now aware itself of itself in this way and is prepared to deploy ever

01:06:26.880 harder power against any challenge to their power so they will um deploy big tech it's not like big

01:06:34.920 tech censorship has been chastened since the hunter affair um it's happening just as much as before and

01:06:42.380 it wasn't by the way just hunter we also published a story on the origins of covid where an opinion

01:06:47.180 writer from for us just speculated he didn't say that the the coronavirus originated in a lab he just

01:06:54.440 said it could have because wuhan just happens to be the site of um uh china's main virology lab where

01:07:02.280 they can do this kind of work this was in the early parts of the pandemic and again he didn't say it

01:07:06.900 definitively he just speculated and facebook uh censored that story so any challenge that comes i think

01:07:13.420 they've they've created this mechanism to silence it and unfortunately the way it works is as we've said

01:07:19.400 after the fact when it becomes overwhelming they all shift and say huh yeah maybe the post had a

01:07:24.800 point maybe megan kelly had a point but it doesn't matter because in the in the moment when there is a

01:07:29.520 real contest they've suppressed one side and they're very successful at it so i think this needs a

01:07:34.560 political solution it's not a matter of what you and i can individually do beyond calling up calling it

01:07:40.020 out we you know congress uh lawmakers who don't want us to go in this direction if there's any left

01:07:46.020 need to act politically uh especially against big tech i think it's so much bigger than just oh the

01:07:52.340 post got screwed or trump got screwed you know because this story that wasn't so great about his

01:07:57.500 opponent didn't get wider circulation or wasn't allowed to be circulated by some forms it's you know

01:08:03.580 when i saw those people on on the capitol on january 6th having lost total trust in the system capital

01:08:10.400 t capital s and you know had gone down youtube rapid holes on all sorts of dominion voting machines and

01:08:17.200 so right how did that happen how did these guys get to the point where they would believe anything

01:08:22.720 right as outrageous as you could spin it you know like the our election was being controlled from some

01:08:28.300 foreign country on that all that how did it happen they don't trust the media anymore they believe that

01:08:33.580 conservative viewpoints or anything that was helpful for trump are being stifled manipulated

01:08:37.420 suppressed and they're not wrong about that and this is this is a piece of evidence on their side

01:08:45.480 this is what i've been trying to say all along when people do this navel gazing the mainstream media

01:08:49.780 they look at those folks but in horror you know it's not to excuse anything they did it's to try to

01:08:54.460 have a genuine understanding of how how'd they get there how did it yes of course yes trump's rhetoric

01:09:00.360 and trump's statements and sydney powell yes that's obvious but it's more complex than that

01:09:05.780 and until we get honest about how all the suppression only one-sided mostly one side and so on

01:09:12.120 has factored into the distrust we're not going to solve it yeah you know i i like you i work in

01:09:19.540 mainstream media and i've gotten to the point where if i see a new york times story if i see a washington

01:09:24.240 post story um i used to just look at it and say yeah that's probably true now i'm like unless i see

01:09:31.560 you know 15 other outlets reporting it and and more sources i'm just going to assume it's false

01:09:38.900 and i'm going to ask what what what are they pushing here what's the agenda behind this again i'm i've

01:09:45.660 become that kind of mistrustful you know what one crazy moment for me and this isn't really the media

01:09:50.020 but it's the establishment as a whole the thing i can never get out of my head was when um in the

01:09:56.240 early months of the pandemic you know any gathering was unlawful and we have to crack down on orthodox

01:10:02.260 jews holding funerals for the rabbis in new york uh you know uh any kind of small business protest

01:10:08.440 against lockdown it's just terrible it's going to create a covet holocaust and then the the george

01:10:14.640 floyd riots happen and a thousand public health officials say well actually you know racism is the

01:10:20.860 bigger virus and um it's almost mandatory for people to participate in these other sort of black

01:10:25.840 lives matter protests um if you go through the experience like that and there were a number of

01:10:30.580 them like that episode that i just recounted i think at some point you as a sort of your sense of

01:10:37.120 knowledge about the world becomes so unstable because you realize okay everything is political

01:10:43.400 with these people you shouldn't trust anything so it's no surprise to me as you said that you know

01:10:49.640 yes conspiracy theorists make a killing in the marketplace of ideas because of what elites do

01:10:55.980 it's these kinds of things no protest except if it's back lives matter then the virus knows not to

01:11:01.300 attack you because don't make it so easy for them don't make it so don't make the ground so fertile

01:11:06.540 for those conspiracy theories maybe that would help fight it um this is a great point on which to

01:11:12.280 leave it for our two-minute advertisement um maybe it's only one minute i actually have never

01:11:17.040 time to know but anyway um the reason i want to leave it there is because there's there's a great

01:11:22.820 piece out now sarab amari amari is my guest today he's the opinion editor at the new york post and up

01:11:27.720 next i want to talk to you about the lancet that's a leading medical journal that's found a new way to

01:11:32.300 describe and basically erase women and we're going to get sarab's reaction to that right this is what

01:11:38.000 the medical community has gone woke and it's one of the reasons that we don't trust them either

01:11:43.180 many of us don't have the same trust in them as we used to uh it's deeply problematic how do you feel

01:11:49.660 about all of this we'd love to hear about your thoughts on facebook's influence on the suppression

01:11:53.580 of the hunter biden story uh and on the 12 000 haitian migrants now roaming the united states without

01:11:58.600 covid tests and without the vaccines as you may lose your job if you don't have one call us at 833-44

01:12:04.340 megan m-e-g-y-n that's 833-446-3496 would love to hear from you

01:12:09.880 welcome back to the megan kelly show everyone i'm joined today by sarab amari he's the op-ed

01:12:19.200 editor at the new york post and also author of the great book the unbroken thread discovering the

01:12:25.540 wisdom of tradition in an age of chaos we're going to be taking your calls here shortly what are your

01:12:30.440 thoughts on the hunter biden suppression story and the white house continuing to say it's disinformation

01:12:34.760 and what did you think of robbie suave saying that social media is not as bad as we've been led to

01:12:40.380 call me 833-44-m-e-g-y-n that's 833-446-3496 all right sarab so let's talk about some cultural

01:12:49.960 stories in the news right now because my stomach was turning as i read some of these things this

01:12:54.220 morning the lancet right very well respected medical magazine this is picking up on our last

01:12:59.340 discussion of the breakdown and trust of these medical experts like the thousand who told people

01:13:03.200 they had to protest during blm notwithstanding covid because the virus could distinguish why

01:13:07.160 you were out there that's my ad um now the lancet has come out there's a leading medical journal

01:13:13.340 and it's got an article titled periods on display the article examines an exhibition exploring the

01:13:20.820 taboos and history of periods menstrual cycles at the vagina museum in london so as soon as you're done

01:13:28.440 with your trip on the eye you can swing by you can go see shakespeare and then you can go to the

01:13:34.060 vagina museum because you know i mean it is awesome it deserves its own museum but anyway the writer

01:13:41.320 there uses the word women in passing but also refers to women as and i quote bodies with vaginas

01:13:50.340 in quote an attempt to be inclusive to trans people so the the quote on the front of the page of the

01:13:56.380 journal's front page reads historically the anatomy and physiology of bodies with vaginas have been

01:14:03.840 neglected your thoughts on this well it's um it's amazing it's the end point of a certain kind of

01:14:12.760 liberation seeking uh liberalism frankly and its end point is is paradoxically the erasure of actual

01:14:23.500 women right i mean this what's what lies behind let's make it clear the reason they say bodies

01:14:29.300 with vaginas instead of women is that the ludicrous notion that there are men with uh uh vaginas right

01:14:37.360 there that there are really men trans men but they happen to have vaginas therefore you shouldn't say

01:14:41.920 women that's the the idea the immediate ideological acts that that sentence is grinding but looking

01:14:49.380 looking looking beyond that what you're getting is the whole idea embedded in um in liberalism but

01:14:58.400 especially in its in its post-war sex liberationist variety which is that um we should not be defined

01:15:07.060 by the bodies that we receive from nature that the the concept of man and woman as such is somehow

01:15:13.460 oppressive and we should try to overcome that and we can overcome that with the help of medical

01:15:18.780 technology and if enough people culturally just use the right language we can erase men and women as

01:15:25.580 these oppressive categories we can transcend them but how does it work out it works out to the to the

01:15:32.000 to the erasure of women not only is it the deprivation of any sense of for example private space which is a

01:15:38.420 result of gender ideology that women cannot have their own spaces whether that's in prisons or in spas or

01:15:45.000 what have you um by by by getting rid of the uh category of biological sex as a meaningful category

01:15:52.580 you ultimately erase women and it wasn't the only one you you saw also i bet megan the tweet from the

01:15:58.340 american civil liberties union um mourning ruth bader ginsburg as um passing a year later where they edited

01:16:06.200 the quote to have to get rid of women they added uh in brackets people people and and and got rid of

01:16:14.880 um references to she her and women because in the context of abortion in the context of of celebrating

01:16:21.560 abortion rights so obviously i i vehemently oppose it altogether but at least ruth bader ginsburg um for

01:16:28.400 all her pro-abortion um advocacy recognized that there are men and women that there are that our

01:16:34.980 our species has two sexes and that these two sexes are ultimately immutable that it's impossible to go

01:16:41.200 from one to the other that doesn't mean we should um not show compassion to people who suffer from

01:16:47.520 gender dysphoria and think they were born into the to the wrong body but to actually say no no no

01:16:52.780 there really are you know possibility of of men with cervixes and vaginas and and women with penises

01:17:00.180 is absurd right and yet they don't really do it the other way that it's no it's not nearly as much

01:17:06.480 done the other way i don't read like an article in the lancet about how um men with vaginas um

01:17:13.820 to have a higher risk of heart attack you know it's always like it's always the other way around like

01:17:19.120 the trans women have got to erase biological women otherwise we're all bigots and it's so

01:17:26.040 frustrating for somebody like me i know trans people i want to be respectful of trans people

01:17:29.960 i think most trans people would think this is insane and don't want to see this and don't think

01:17:34.240 this is inclusive they would like to just be referred to just as women and then not not to

01:17:38.580 change anything and not for everybody to have to say their pronouns this is activism having an effect

01:17:44.040 um on people who are just way too willing to kowtow to this small percentage that considers

01:17:49.720 themselves woke but since they run our medical journals and in even in some situations our medical

01:17:55.720 schools we need to worry about it remember the the barry weiss substack article i think it was katie

01:18:00.280 helper doing the reporting saying that now in medical schools you're not allowed to distinguish between women

01:18:06.040 and men and it's causing real problems because women have different medical medical risks than men do

01:18:13.080 and one needs to actually be able to make a determine about the biology of the patient in front of them

01:18:18.920 yeah i i think though that the the one phenomenon that that uh we agree is bad right the woke

01:18:26.600 imposition is ultimately an outgrowth of of of gender ideology as such of the idea that men and women

01:18:36.000 can really um are are interchangeable um because for a certain for the ideology that lies behind all

01:18:44.640 this it's not enough for me to be allowed to change my uh sex to to mutilate myself and and you know uh

01:18:53.920 cut off my penis and carve a kind of pseudo vagina and and change my name to sabrina it's not enough for

01:19:00.000 me to be allowed to do those things i won't feel like i'm really a quote-unquote woman unless you

01:19:05.600 megan say so you have to actively affirm that i'm a woman otherwise the experiment doesn't quite work

01:19:12.880 and i have to lose my label of a woman i i i have to lose something that's important to me my identity

01:19:19.680 as a woman as a person who actually does menstruate a woman who menstruates who has babies who breastfeeds

01:19:27.760 from my breasts because i'm a woman i i hate that like chip by chip they they cut away at womanhood

01:19:37.040 in an effort to be supportive with no thought whatsoever to how that makes biological women feel

01:19:44.560 yep um i mean it's it's we're getting to a point where the top female athletes in any given field

01:19:52.000 we will soon be uh we will soon be biological males again i think that the key is and here's an area where

01:19:59.760 i think social conservatives and traditional feminists can set aside their core disagreements

01:20:04.640 let's say on abortion and insist on on biological reality because it's not just the and i'm not saying

01:20:11.760 that's not important that the the loss of femininity as a as a as a biological reality is really important

01:20:18.000 but there's some deeper thing going on which is the loss of our sanity right to be forced to affirm

01:20:24.800 things that are patently absurd you keep saying it you keep doing it and elites force you to do it

01:20:32.400 and if you know they're setting up disciplinary mechanisms at many universities and corporations

01:20:37.440 where you have to list your own pronoun and and and and respect these absurd kind of plural

01:20:44.160 pronouns for singular people and so forth do that enough and you you accustom people to tolerate

01:20:51.120 totalitarianism the core of totalitarianism is to is is to force you in a humiliating way to say

01:20:59.680 what you know is not true so he puts us all in the position of vatslav hobble's greengrocer you know

01:21:06.640 the famous parable he says but he's a greengrocer in communist uh uh czechoslovakia and he's forced to put

01:21:13.600 up a a sign outside that says you know workers of the world unite go to the communist party and

01:21:20.000 what's humiliating about it is that he doesn't believe in that and the communist authorities

01:21:24.880 themselves don't believe in it and they know that he doesn't believe in it but you're forced to if

01:21:29.920 they force you enough to just do this they kind of debase you and so we have to we have to be willing

01:21:35.840 to individually at least to say to say the truth and not fall into the language it's happening so

01:21:42.240 you have to say bodies with vaginas you have to say your pronouns you have to accept that

01:21:51.120 that systemic racism justifies the protest during the george floyd the wake of his death

01:21:58.000 versus anybody else going out there that that's not okay you have you have to have the mask over

01:22:02.480 your face even if you've been vaccinated you have to get the jab even if you've got natural immunity

01:22:07.920 i started the show by saying like i am feeling like the water's rising it's rising up above my

01:22:13.200 mouse and my mouth and it's heading from my nose and i see it on the streets just last night we were

01:22:17.840 riding around and um i saw signs up like free speech now while you still can and rihanna of all people

01:22:24.400 had some t-shirt that was making the rounds online saying something about free speech and

01:22:27.920 the touting the ability to still express your opinion i just think something's happening we're

01:22:34.000 we're going to be getting to a critical critical mass to a critical to a breaking point there was an

01:22:39.360 incident on the new york city subway system back to new york because when this stuff happens in new york

01:22:43.200 you know better than anybody so rabbit it says something this is not portland new york city is not

01:22:47.440 portland and there was a woman i'll play the sound but i want to tell the audience who's listening

01:22:51.360 what they're what they're listening to it's a woman she's i would say i don't know late 30s early 40s

01:22:57.280 an asian woman she's got black hair she's pulled back in a bun she's wearing a black shirt and she's

01:23:02.160 pulling down the ads that you see in the new york city subways that are sort of above where you sit

01:23:07.920 because they're ridiculous they're from ok cupid they're celebrating quote every single non-monogamist

01:23:15.280 and other like pansexuals and bears and fetishists and submissives and all these other different groups

01:23:23.600 with like pictures of women in a threesome getting it on i mean they're dicey pictures

01:23:30.080 she's had enough and so have the people around her she's the main talker listen here

01:23:34.640 it's gross she's saying

01:23:43.760 no it's not it's wrong

01:23:47.360 this is propaganda yeah normalizing normalizing

01:23:51.760 it's affecting the next generation yeah i don't know why no like no one sees this no

01:23:57.520 this is disgusting because tv told them not not to get uh not to get upset and wear the mask

01:24:04.240 see let's go to the back these are new yorkers all shapes sizes colors creeds you name it a typical

01:24:11.120 new york subway where you get everybody right nobody's saying don't do that nobody's saying

01:24:15.440 leave those ads up the the people on that subway are pissed too they don't want to look at this as

01:24:20.240 they're taking their kids from a to b it's everywhere so so megan i i can't help it the

01:24:27.360 book you see behind me my book the unbroken thread um in the introduction i open up by saying that i

01:24:33.200 wrote this book for my son trying to transmit you know the basics of of the western uh christian and

01:24:40.880 classical moral tradition to him why did i write why did i write the book for him it's because i when he

01:24:47.280 was one year old we live in new york city we got on the subway and we saw a different set of ok

01:24:52.480 cupid ads basically promoting polyamory um uh and also to be sexual behaviors that um are sexually

01:25:00.640 deviant and my thought was what if my son were a little older at that point and he asked me you know

01:25:06.800 baba as he calls me you know what's polyamory you know what's what's uh what's sadomasochism

01:25:13.280 why you know why am i as a parent put in a situation in which um the culture is so debased

01:25:20.400 so vulgar so i say um god bless that woman may god and bless her and keep her um and this in a way

01:25:28.880 i i will say this this just goes to show um that one orthodoxy or other will dominate our societies

01:25:36.080 there'll never be a situation in which we have total neutrality the promise of liberalism especially

01:25:42.480 post-war was that you just you know we can't agree on anything so let's kind of allow everything

01:25:48.640 and what we see now 50 60 70 years later is that um good things have been banished from the public

01:25:56.000 square and this conglomeration of woke government activist types and large corporations that profit

01:26:03.920 off of our debaseness um combining to send create a civilization that's really ugly is really ugly

01:26:12.080 and and it's it's a civilization that's overtly anti-family overtly anti-child right so it surrounds

01:26:19.920 you with pro polyamory messages meanwhile kids have to wear masks um playing outdoors it's it's as you said

01:26:28.240 the water is rising and i i just i i look forward to the reaction let me say it that way if they if they

01:26:34.720 don't manage to suppress it um and it's organizing the the the regime that we live under is becoming

01:26:41.920 unbearable the water is really rising stand up fight these battles you are not alone don't let them shame

01:26:52.400 you you're not alone there are millions tens of millions of americans who have had it with this bs

01:26:59.600 and unless we all speak up hard though it may be shame that may come from the press twitter whatever

01:27:08.000 we're gonna lose we're gonna lose our right to free speech we're gonna lose our general commitment

01:27:14.080 to morality in a in a civilized life where we respect one another we recognize differences between

01:27:22.240 men and women we respect our children's right to their innocence for as long as we can possibly

01:27:27.520 give it to them this is bullshit that stuff infuriates me as a mother and i am with that

01:27:33.360 woman just like the other people on the subway were so that the book is so good i read it before

01:27:38.000 our last interview and i recommend it to everybody because man did he see this coming and we could go

01:27:42.240 back i mean you should go go listen to that full podcast because we talked about the david french thing

01:27:46.160 boy oh boy are you proven right every day on that dispute uh and if you don't know what i'm talking

01:27:51.680 about just go listen to my last podcast great to see you thanks for being here thanks megan i feel

01:27:57.920 so passionately about it i really do and we're lucky to have guys like that who can frame it for us in

01:28:02.240 the right way who write about it who think about it who can see the war coming and sort of help us

01:28:06.480 understand the tools to fight it uh but you are not alone if you think that bodies that have vaginas

01:28:13.520 are the bodies of women that those are women's bodies and that we don't need some medical journal

01:28:19.200 renaming us right to take away something that happens to be important to us and frankly that

01:28:25.520 most trans people would not want taken away from us anyway uh call me taking your calls now eight

01:28:31.040 three three four four m e g y n let me know what you think about the non-stop pushing of sex and gender

01:28:37.520 on our children everywhere in public eight three three four four six three four nine six that's next

01:28:45.920 welcome back everybody the phone lines are open give us a call at eight three three four four

01:28:51.280 m e g y n that's eight three three four four six three four nine six i'm going to start with our

01:28:56.720 first caller who is julie in california julie what's on your mind today so i really appreciate your passion

01:29:03.280 passion and the passion of your last guest and it's really it's really a weird time so this is the

01:29:09.920 year i hit 50 and it kind of was a uh i wouldn't say depressing birthday but not what i expected my

01:29:17.360 50th birthday to be and i think with age we are seeing like you're saying that so many of these things

01:29:24.880 that are happening are so devastating for us as a community as family members as citizens as

01:29:33.600 and my real struggle in the last two years has been what what am i supposed to do here how can i

01:29:42.800 make a change and everything you say is so relevant and so on topic but what what i think people miss

01:29:52.560 is that all this stuff has such dire consequences and they have to be looking at it they're fighting the war

01:30:01.520 the fight between us and you and your guests we're all fighting it but it's really the target is not

01:30:08.880 us the target is our children and they're the ones they're coming for and so i feel as though we have to

01:30:19.840 look really seriously at consequences not just the free speech and gender you know um words that we use

01:30:29.840 and how we refer to people but i i really look at this as child abuse and i think we legally legally

01:30:38.480 because i don't know what else to do you need to fight this with attorneys against abuse of our

01:30:46.000 children and i don't know how to do that i hear you what a good comment i when i when i'm listening

01:30:52.480 to you i'm thinking about this interview i gave to gad sad for his podcast i love him if you don't know

01:30:57.200 gad you got to google him he's amazing he's a professor university up in canada and um he was

01:31:02.880 talking about how he had a panic attack recently and wasn't sure why and we talked about it and i was

01:31:07.680 saying i i have been finding i am especially angry right now i've i've been noticing myself

01:31:15.280 just quicker to anger and it's the stuff you're talking about it's what you just said julie it's

01:31:20.640 like this feeling of powerlessness over my kids over my country over my society over things that

01:31:26.640 should be no-brainers like my kids should not have to be looking at pictures of a threesome on

01:31:30.880 the new york city subway my kids should not have to have a mask on while outside celebrating

01:31:35.680 homecoming a month from now you know my my kid if they're at oberland college should not be told

01:31:41.040 that they have to sit in their room alone while they eat they should not be told by some cnn

01:31:45.680 analyst that they should never be able to leave their house if they're unvaccinated it's all of

01:31:50.800 this stuff is just corrosive and the stuff about gender you know you try to counter program that at

01:31:57.200 home you don't want to sound like a bigot you don't want to create a bias against people who are

01:32:01.280 trans i always try to point out the difference between the group and their activists

01:32:06.000 but i hate that i'm being forced to even go there you know why can't the message just be so much more

01:32:10.560 reasonable so i don't i don't have the answer i mean i do think it's important to fight the

01:32:15.600 rhetorical battles right i think it's important when critical race theory finds its way into your

01:32:20.640 school to fight if you if you can't leave leave if you can you vote with your feet by walking away

01:32:25.680 ultimately they need they need people they need money um and on gender i think we do have to stand up no

01:32:31.440 matter what they call you look at jk rowley yes she's got billions so it's a little easier but

01:32:35.680 she had skin in the game there you know and so whatever your pocket of the world is you stand up

01:32:40.480 and you say what you know is reasonable loving but reasonable um i guess that's a start you know

01:32:49.680 that's a start uh thank you so much for the call such a thoughtful um thoughtful uh take on on the

01:32:56.480 matter uh matt from ohio what's your thought hi hi um i just want to know like how how should someone

01:33:05.200 combat like the whole diversity equity inclusion thing that's being introduced into their workplace

01:33:10.880 i actually just started a committee or started um in the committee i i volunteered and i'm sitting

01:33:18.960 here listening to him talk about it and i hear diversity i hear equity but that inclusion word

01:33:26.240 they don't use and it's to me it's it's it's uh it's not a balance and so i feel like people aren't

01:33:35.200 going to feel included because they're so focused on diversity and equity so how do you think

01:33:40.080 you've got to jump in there and you've got to say the hard thing which is no anti-racism is racism

01:33:46.800 we all have the same goal none of us wants racism but your policies are racist what you're asking us

01:33:52.240 to do is racist it'll cause more racism i recommend going to the foundation against intolerance and

01:33:58.240 racism's website i'm on the board they've got great tools for parents and fighting this stuff that's

01:34:03.280 a start all right we'll leave it there for today but we've got a lot more to go over tomorrow

01:34:07.840 when tulsi gabbard joins us in the meantime you can download episodes of the megan kelly show on

01:34:12.400 apple pandora stitcher also youtube.com megan kelly we'll see you tomorrow

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 27, 2021

Missing Migrants, Mask Mutiny, and the Hunter Biden Email Coverup with Robby Soave and Sohrab Ahmari ｜ Ep. 168

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