The Megyn Kelly Show - MSNBC's Hypocritical Ronna Meltdown, and ＂Preachy Females＂ In Dem Party, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 750

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00:00:30.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.000 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.000 Oh, do we have a show for you today.

00:00:48.000 In the news this morning, NBC takes one of its new conservative hires

00:00:53.000 and tries to ruin her with an internal pylon from sanctimonious anchors

00:00:58.000 trying to act like they are deeply offended by her.

00:01:02.000 All while hoping no one digs too deeply into their own terrible pasts.

00:01:08.000 Trigger.

00:01:10.000 Ronna McDaniel, the former head of the RNC and a newly minted NBC News contributor

00:01:16.000 is probably going to get fired today, less than one week after she was hired by the network. 1.00

00:01:22.000 Why?

00:01:24.000 Because the children over at Dem SNBC are very, very mad.

00:01:28.000 And I mean really mad.

00:01:30.000 I want to associate myself with all my colleagues both at MSNBC and at NBC News

00:01:36.000 who have voiced loud and principled objections to our company putting on the payroll.

00:01:43.000 Someone who hasn't just attacked us as journalists,

00:01:46.000 but someone who is part of an ongoing project to get rid of our system of government.

00:01:51.000 In this instance, NBC News, either wittingly or unwittingly,

00:01:54.000 is teaching election deniers that what they can do stretches well beyond appearing on our air in interviews

00:02:02.000 to peddle lies about the sanctity and integrity of our elections.

00:02:06.000 We weren't asked our opinion of the hiring, but if we were, we would have strongly objected to it.

00:02:11.000 My colleague Chuck Todd went full William McAvoy.

00:02:14.000 Is she speaking for herself or is she speaking on behalf of who's paying her?

00:02:18.000 When NBC made the decision to give her NBC News' credibility,

00:02:22.000 you've got to ask yourself, what does she bring NBC News?

00:02:25.000 Not about that. We welcome Republicans. I wish more Republicans.

00:02:29.000 I want Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney to get right here and come talk to me.

00:02:32.000 The reality is this isn't a difference of opinion.

00:02:35.000 She literally backed an illegal scheme to steal an election in the state of Michigan. 1.00

00:02:42.000 And our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have pushed on this country.

00:02:48.000 We've also said to election deniers, it's not just they can do that on our airwaves, but that they can do that as one of us,

00:02:54.000 as badge-carrying employees of NBC News, as paid contributors to our sacred airwaves.

00:03:01.000 Take a minute. Acknowledge that maybe it wasn't the right call.

00:03:05.000 It is a sign of strength, not weakness, to acknowledge when you are wrong.

00:03:10.000 It is a sign of strength. And our country needs us to be strong right now.

00:03:16.000 Oh, my God. OK, so just to be clear, Ronna McDaniel has not done one thing in the past week to bring this on.

00:03:26.000 No new information has been imparted to the NBC brass other than its anchors professed horror, horror at the notion of working with an election denier.

00:03:39.000 A little bit more here from Nicole Wallace.

00:03:42.000 NBC News, either wittingly or unwittingly, is teaching election deniers that what they can do stretches well beyond appearing on our air in interviews to peddle lies about the sanctity and integrity of our elections.

00:03:55.000 What we've also said to election deniers is not just they can do that on our airwaves, but that they can do that as one of us, as badge-carrying employees of NBC News, as paid contributors to our sacred airwaves.

00:04:08.000 Our sacred airwaves. They must be protected, you see, from liars. After all, over at MSNBC, they are in the business of honesty.

00:04:22.000 Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.

00:04:29.000 Literally, the only people dying are the unvaccinated. And for those of you spreading misinformation, shame on you. Shame on you. Think about it. I don't know how some of you sleep at night.

00:04:39.000 Republican voters don't vote that way. They don't vote based on economics. They're voting on race.

00:04:44.000 Russian. Russian. Russian. Russia. Russian. Russian. Russian. Moscow. Russian. Russian. Russia. Putin. Russian.

00:04:49.000 He is actually being prosecuted at the state level and at the federal level for fomenting an actual insurrection that caused a lot of blood, that actually caused the deaths of at least five people.

00:05:00.000 The report of special counsel Robert Mueller has finally been submitted. This is the start of something, apparently, not the end of something.

00:05:07.000 You don't have a president, as you said, talking about exterminating. Right.

00:05:11.000 Latinas. OK. As MSNBC talent spun it yesterday, they could work with a Republican, sure, but not with someone who challenged the results of an election, thereby subverting our democracy. Hard no.

00:05:31.000 The public's trust in the integrity of the U.S. Supreme Court is in rapid decline. It just so happens to be a recurring theme in our guest Stacey Abrams' new novel.

00:05:41.000 I just first have to congratulate you on writing this just exquisitely crafted novel.

00:05:48.000 Thank you. Stacey, it's great to have you back on the show and can't wait to talk about the novel. I just want to do a little bit of politics first.

00:05:54.000 Brian Kemp and Brad Rapsenberger to undermine access to elections for average Georgians continues to reverberate.

00:06:01.000 Abrams has a brand new thriller out tomorrow called Rogue Justice, which follows a Supreme Court law clerk and she unpacks a riveting legal mystery.

00:06:09.000 We're going to talk about that in just a moment. I'm excited and cannot wait to make that a summer read for myself.

00:06:14.000 On Wednesday, I asked former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton about this fact and how Biden should handle it.

00:06:21.000 Do you think you're a private citizen that if he is convicted, he should go to prison?

00:06:25.000 You know, I'm not going to substitute my judgment for the judicial system.

00:06:29.000 You know, as you say, there are four cases. I think 91 counts.

00:06:35.000 What happened to our secret airwaves? I thought we couldn't couldn't have the election deniers on MSNBC, but maybe it just depends which election one is denying.

00:06:48.000 Well, look, MSNBC really wants you to know that this has nothing to do with being on the left or the right to those who are saying, hey,

00:06:58.000 you had no problem hiring Jen Psaki, who lied for a living for years as an Obama and then a Biden spokesperson. 1.00

00:07:06.000 What gives? Well, Jen Psaki herself weighed in on that. 1.00

00:07:10.000 See, that was totally different. She explained because honesty.

00:07:16.000 Some mainly in the right wing ecosystem have made the comparison to others who have come from government or politics into the media, including me.

00:07:25.000 And that is a comparison I felt like I had to address.

00:07:28.000 I got into public service for the same reason that many people do to serve the American people.

00:07:34.000 And there are many others who have followed a similar path who I have a great deal of respect for.

00:07:39.000 But here's the thing. That kind of experience only matters and only has value to viewers, all of you, if it is paired with honesty and with good faith.

00:07:50.000 And our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have pushed on this country.

00:07:57.000 Is it just me or does she remind you of Dora the Explorer?

00:08:01.000 To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet and wag our kitty tails. 0.97

00:08:10.000 Here we got the mermaid freak! Yay! 1.00

00:08:15.000 Just saying. OK. Anyhoo, Jen Psaki did not lie, I guess. OK, she did not lie. 0.71

00:08:22.000 That's the difference when she was working for Joe Biden.

00:08:25.000 So she is totally different from an RNC spokesperson or chair, except for that lie about how the vast majority of illegal immigrants do not intend to stay here, as she told us.

00:08:37.000 Or that one about how no one anticipated that the Taliban would take over Afghanistan as quickly as they did, despite the fact that her boss was caught on tape admitting he knew.

00:08:47.000 Or that time she tried to dismiss the Hunter Biden laptop as Russian disinformation or when she blamed rising gas prices on the war in Ukraine, not her boss's inflationary policies, which had been driving them up long before that war.

00:09:00.000 Remember when she accused Ron DeSantis of not encouraging seniors to get vaccinated in Florida or that time, she said only a tiny number of people who got the vaccine ever got COVID again.

00:09:11.000 I could go on. But honesty, look, none of that matters, OK, because according to MSNBC, what's happening here is very dangerous.

00:09:23.000 All right. And so these are dangerous times and we have to respond accordingly.

00:09:27.000 What's happening here, according to Rachel Maddow, is a long con, you see.

00:09:31.000 All right. It's a long con of a national party, the Republican, getting behind a Hitler-esque figure and his claims of a fraudulent election.

00:09:42.000 Because what they're trying to do is lower your defenses against his inevitable claim that he, once returned to office, should be allowed to stay there indefinitely.

00:09:56.000 She laid it all out last night, explaining why Ronna McDaniel is just that dangerous. 1.00

00:10:04.000 And in a time like this, it's hard, right? I mean, it's this is a challenging and worrying time.

00:10:17.000 Republican officials have to figure out whether they're going to stand up for the American system of government or not.

00:10:25.000 Republican politicians, you know, Congress has to decide if it's going to assert its own relevance.

00:10:31.000 They're going to assert their own independence, their own role in the government and stand up for our system of government or not.

00:10:38.000 Judges and prosecutors have to decide if they're going to be braver than they ever thought they'd have to be in this job.

00:10:45.000 They have to decide whether they're going to stand up to the threats and the violence.

00:10:50.000 I watched 27 minutes of Rachel Maddow last night. I did it for you. I've never done that before.

00:10:57.000 I could not believe the dramatics, the dramatic pauses, looking up the ceiling, the foe wrestling with tears over the state of America.

00:11:11.000 You know who she reminded me of?

00:11:14.000 I never could have imagined what my story would entail to think about what the American dream can do across just one generation in just one lifetime.

00:11:27.000 It's truly breathtaking. But right now, the American dream has turned into a nightmare.

00:11:37.000 I can't. I need help. I need smart women to remind us all we're out there. 1.00

00:11:45.000 We're plentiful. We're everywhere. We are not defined by the Nicole Wallace's or the Jen Psaki's, frankly, the Katie Brits or the Rachel Maddow's with their overly dramatic presentations and their faux tears.

00:11:59.000 And they're everywhere. Strong, smart women are everywhere, including my first and only two guests today. 1.00

00:12:06.000 The EJs are with me. Emily Jashinsky, culture editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist Radio Hour. 1.00

00:12:12.000 And Eliana Johnson, who is editor in chief at the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.

00:12:18.000 Ladies, so good to have you. Thank you for being. Thank you for being here. 0.99

00:12:24.000 Hi, Maggie. Thank you for that.

00:12:26.000 Where'd that go wrong?

00:12:27.000 I don't think you went wrong anywhere. I think actually that was a master class in building up to it, up to the Rachel Maddow point, because that's actually what this is all about.

00:12:37.000 It's like histrionics over the single thing, the election denialism that they have decided disqualifies any voice from being on their airwaves, which then to the point that you built up to when you look at all of the different things that they have lied about that they don't consider to be beyond the pale.

00:12:57.000 I mean, Nicole Wallace was talking on behalf of the George W. Bush administration during the Iraq War.

00:13:04.000 A lot of people would consider that to be pretty beyond the pale in this country, especially with the benefit of hindsight and retrospect in that case.

00:13:12.000 But I mean, she was the mouthpiece of the Bush administration during the Iraq War.

00:13:17.000 For her then to say, Ronna McDaniel, who is a pretty standard Republican, who did not go as far as Donald Trump.

00:13:26.000 She went further than I would have gone on some of the election stuff, but she did not go as far as Donald Trump on the election stuff.

00:13:31.000 She's a representative of the Republican base, of a wide swath of Republican voters.

00:13:37.000 The point of having people like that on your air, if you're serious about doing journalism, is so that you get the contrast.

00:13:44.000 And when Joy Reid, this was such a tell in the clips that you played, Joy Reid said, I want more Republicans.

00:13:49.000 I want to talk to Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney all the time.

00:13:53.000 That is the tell.

00:13:54.000 They don't want any real contrast.

00:13:56.000 What they want is a way to rule contrast out so that they just look like the people who are right.

00:14:01.000 And that's what I think is so it is the opposite of what people in this country want right now.

00:14:07.000 They want desperately to hear both sides.

00:14:09.000 And that's just it's bad business and it's bad journalism.

00:14:12.000 And it's been on full display for the last couple of days.

00:14:16.000 Eliana, the sanctimony in these clips that we've been playing yesterday and today.

00:14:22.000 NBC News's credibility has been given to Ronna McDaniel.

00:14:29.000 We've shared our NBC name with her as one of us on our sacred airwaves.

00:14:38.000 She's become a badge carrying member of NBC News.

00:14:44.000 The horror.

00:14:45.000 I mean, they have no clue how absurd they sound.

00:14:50.000 You know, my my views on this are maybe a little bit different.

00:14:56.000 All I totally agree with all of that.

00:14:58.000 I mean, these people take themselves so unbelievably seriously.

00:15:01.000 It is nauseating.

00:15:03.000 However, I'm watching for a couple of things.

00:15:07.000 When I saw Chuck Todd, who led the charge on this, go after his own bosses on Meet the Press on Sunday, I was sort of gobsmacked.

00:15:18.000 I thought, you know, who rips into their own bosses on national television?

00:15:22.000 You know, it's sort of one thing to raise questions privately.

00:15:25.000 It's another thing to to rip into them on the on the marquee show of the network.

00:15:32.000 And it raised questions that I think we've seen in other areas of journalism, which is who runs these places?

00:15:37.000 Is it the employees or the management?

00:15:40.000 And so in that regard, I'm curious to see what happens here.

00:15:44.000 Is MSNBC going to let their employees, all these folks throwing temper tantrums on the airwaves and telling their bosses how it is and how it should be?

00:15:56.000 Are they in charge?

00:15:57.000 Is the talent in charge or is management in charge?

00:16:00.000 And we've seen this play out a lot of other places.

00:16:03.000 So that's one thing I'm watching.

00:16:05.000 And the second thing is, you know, I don't have any big beef with with Ronna McDaniel, but it has frustrated me, whether it's CNN or ABC, which signed Reince Priebus and now NBC, which signed Ronna Romney.

00:16:18.000 And I got to say, like, I don't think these are the best spokesmen or spokeswomen for the conservative cause.

00:16:24.000 And so I have no no issue with her.

00:16:27.000 But part of me is frustrated that, like, they can't find anyone better to pay three hundred thousand dollars for, you know, to to represent the cause.

00:16:37.000 I sort of think that these people are chosen for a reason, which is because, like, they're the Alan Combs of the right.

00:16:43.000 Mm hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Like with all respect, God rest him, Alan Combs.

00:16:48.000 But he was not the strongest partner to Sean Hannity, who was very effective in his messaging and very talented.

00:16:53.000 I loved Alan, though. But I want to say a couple of things.

00:16:56.000 So I was at NBC, as you know, for a year plus.

00:16:59.000 And I went on the airwaves one day and I did not criticize my boss, but I did put the lie to a memo he had put out claiming NBC did not have the reporting on Harvey Weinstein.

00:17:12.000 And that's why they spoke spiked Ronan Farrow's devastating report on Harvey.

00:17:19.000 Remember, they had it in hand.

00:17:21.000 And the reporting in the news was that they spiked it because Harvey had threatened them or over that Lauer.

00:17:27.000 OK, yeah. Saying I'm going to out Matt Lauer if you out me.

00:17:31.000 And NBC News defended itself saying we didn't have it.

00:17:35.000 We never had anybody go on the record with the claims against Harvey.

00:17:39.000 And I had my hands on a script showing that they did.

00:17:44.000 They did have it on the record from I think it was multiple, at least two women. 0.98

00:17:48.000 But I had this script and I put the lie to Andy Lack's claims otherwise.

00:17:53.000 And just, you know, totally coincidentally, three weeks later, I lost my show,

00:17:58.000 allegedly because of a comment about Halloween costumes.

00:18:01.000 But that's how it went for me.

00:18:03.000 Chuck Todd reportedly has.

00:18:06.000 Well, he's already not reported.

00:18:08.000 He's already been dismissed from Meet the Press.

00:18:10.000 That was a demotion.

00:18:11.000 That's obvious.

00:18:12.000 They didn't want him doing Meet the Press anymore.

00:18:13.000 And there are some reports that he's in a contract negotiation or about to leave NBC, that his career there is ending, which may have gave may have given him the temerity to stand out and do what he did, which was directly critical of a decision to hire Ronna McDaniel.

00:18:32.000 I don't know whether that's his situation or not.

00:18:36.000 But look, for a long time over there at NBC, the executives have come and they've gone.

00:18:42.000 I don't even know who these two people are who are running NBC now.

00:18:45.000 I don't I don't know these people who brought Ronna in.

00:18:48.000 And I will tell you one other thing about Chuck Todd.

00:18:51.000 He told me early on in my time at NBC.

00:18:54.000 He was wrong in my case, but that he said, you'll outlast most of the executives here because the executives come and they go and they do let the inmates run the asylum over there.

00:19:03.000 And it's extraordinary to see them cloak themselves in this highbrow intellectualism, Emily, you know, that we are this other gatekeepers for this vaunted brand. 0.84

00:19:15.000 And this scumbag can't have anything to do with us without any self-reflection on the sins of that network and its talent. 0.91

00:19:25.000 I mean, we have seen so little reflection to that point on how badly I mean, NBC News botched the Russia collusion thing from the beginning so egregiously. 0.98

00:19:37.000 They currently imply employ Ken Delanian, who left the Los Angeles Times because I think it was WikiLeaks showed emails with him going back and forth with the CIA, actually running his stories by his sources at the CIA.

00:19:51.000 And they let Ken Delanian basically take the lead on the Russian collusion coverage.

00:19:55.000 And we have seen basically no reflection from them on that.

00:19:58.000 We've seen no reflection from them on their coverage of trans so-called health care, which honestly, if we're drawing lines in the sand and they want to have a line in the sand as election denialism.

00:20:09.000 How about how egregiously they have botched the stories about transgenderism and how they have been in complicit, complicit and actually more than complicit, aggressive in leading so many young women and young people down that devastating path? 0.85

00:20:22.000 I mean, as long as we're drawing red lines in the sand, how about that?

00:20:26.000 And it's actually kind of telling.

00:20:27.000 We have a story up on The Federalist today that I thought put it really well.

00:20:30.000 Why does Ronna McDaniel want to be a part of this? 1.00

00:20:32.000 I mean, seriously, she had a response to Chuck Todd the other day.

00:20:35.000 I can answer that.

00:20:37.000 I don't know if I agree with that, but I understand it because the people on the right continue to believe, some people, that if they can get their voice or their message or their positions in front of, you know, groups of voters who are not already on the right, then they'll understand us better.

00:20:53.000 Maybe they'll vote differently. Right. It's like this.

00:20:56.000 I mean, if they could just they could just just, you know, it's like the way, frankly, you are when you have somebody addicted to drugs in your family.

00:21:03.000 If I could just get them, if I could just get if we could just and the just game, it doesn't work.

00:21:09.000 But I think that's what was in her head. But keep going.

00:21:12.000 No, I agree with that.

00:21:13.000 And in her exchange with Kristen Welker this weekend, that really set Chuck Todd off.

00:21:17.000 Kristen Welker asked why she didn't denounce Donald Trump's claims about the 2020 election before.

00:21:22.000 And Ronna McDaniel's answer was really telling. It was essentially that, well, you know, you have to take one for the team when you work at the RNC.

00:21:29.000 And, you know, that's just kind of how it is. And that's true.

00:21:33.000 But that's actually like so like bad to admit.

00:21:38.000 It's absolutely true. But now you're auditioning for a three hundred thousand dollar a year corporate media gig.

00:21:44.000 And you're like, well, I just took one for the team. That's the way that Washington works.

00:21:47.000 And that's actually where there are big audiences for shows like this one, because people are so sick of it.

00:21:54.000 NBC actually, if they were outside of their bubble, they dismiss everybody to the right of Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney as basically like in a kooky MAGA bubble, not just normal people who are upset about lies on Russia, on COVID and all of that stuff.

00:22:10.000 So they don't understand that there's this huge appetite in the country for a real contrast and for people who disagree with each other.

00:22:17.000 So they should have actually gone further than Ronna McDaniel if they really wanted to do the work of showing that contrast and of bringing new voices in and challenging their own preconceptions, which have led them down dangerous paths.

00:22:31.000 For example, we can keep talking about Russia. We can keep talking about the border.

00:22:34.000 There's so many different times that they have screwed this up.

00:22:37.000 So, I mean, they should have they should have hired someone who is actually even more pro-Trump than Ronna McDaniel, who wasn't just going to squish out when Kristen Welker is like, hey, and she's like, well, I was taking one for the team the last eight years.

00:22:48.000 I mean, it's just look how often this kind of thing has failed. Right.

00:22:53.000 I'm thinking of Kevin Williamson down at the Atlantic when he tried to go there from National Review and think about even Tom Cotton over at the New York Times, that op ed and James Bennett, the editor who ran it.

00:23:04.640 Barry Weiss leaving like Khaleesi from The New York Times because she sent her left, but she she was too right for them. 0.95

00:23:13.380 We could keep going. My God, there's just so many who have been MK Ham pushed out of CNN MK Ham. 0.51

00:23:19.100 Like, she's not some fire breathing MAGA acolyte. Right.

00:23:22.300 Even Jeffrey Lord, who was a Trump supporter, he was true MAGA when Trump was running the first time. 0.91

00:23:26.660 He was too crazy for CNN. Right. It's like they've they've tried it. 0.75

00:23:30.520 They've tried to have some people who are, you know, on the right at these networks.

00:23:35.860 They can't stand them. They can't stand them.

00:23:39.380 They keep trying only to be horrified when they find out they actually are conservatives and they don't share the views of the lefties.

00:23:48.760 And they're not Adam Kinzinger, whatever his name. And they're not a Liz Cheney, who is a conservative, Eliana.

00:23:55.240 I mean, I'll give her that. She's she hates Trump. But like that's the only way you can get on there.

00:24:00.420 Right. Like you could be a conservative who hates Donald Trump, you know, but eventually they start migrating.

00:24:06.040 I bet you it's a matter of time before Liz Cheney declares herself an independent like Scarborough. 1.00

00:24:10.560 Nicole Wallace is a Democrat now. She used to pretend to be a Republican or maybe she actually was. 1.00

00:24:15.080 I don't know whatever she is now. She's hard left anyway that they're not interested in getting a true conservative who's going to espouse conservative ideas and actually potentially defend Donald Trump on their airwaves. 1.00

00:24:29.160 Yeah, I think it's the defending Donald Trump part, and it's not Trump proper, but saying like, look, we have two choices in this election.

00:24:37.240 We have Trump and we have Biden and I'm going to choose Trump.

00:24:40.120 That is not I don't think that's an acceptable view that you can take on the air at these networks.

00:24:45.560 And they very much want to put that view beyond the pale.

00:24:52.460 One of the other things, by the way, that they have labeled beyond the pale and that they criticized Ronna McDaniel for was her criticism, her criticisms of the media, which they put in the endangering democracy category.

00:25:06.360 And that I found more far more objectionable than their criticism of her for denying the 2020 election, which was ridiculous.

00:25:16.940 And she did not have quit herself well in that regard in her interview with Kristen Walker.

00:25:21.140 However, when they say that, oh, she vilified the media and how could we have her on air?

00:25:27.160 They have a lot to account for and their unwillingness to have anybody on their airwaves who has any criticism of them for the things that they got wrong, I think explains entirely why so many people have written off the mainstream media and are tuning in to the Megyn Kelly podcast and alternative forms of media.

00:25:45.800 Barry Weiss's sub stack. We're reading the Free Beacon who are reading the Federalist.

00:25:49.940 It is why media is balkanized, because they do not allow dissenting voices on their airwaves.

00:25:55.060 And this is not just MSNBC, which came out of the gate early and said, we're not booking her at all that we're talking about.

00:26:01.160 This is the mainstream outlets in New York Times, NBC News, you know, the big players.

00:26:07.360 Find me a Republican, Eliana, right, who hasn't criticized the media.

00:26:12.360 Like, if that's a deal breaker for MSNBC, they'll never get a Republican on their airwaves.

00:26:18.600 That's most of us. I'm not a Republican, but I'm definitely more conservative in my thinking.

00:26:24.020 Most of us wake up thinking about the latest way we hate the media, the latest sin the media is committed.

00:26:31.600 How like you how often do you see those posts on X as much as you hate the media?

00:26:36.940 It's not enough. And you get another example. Like, I think everyone who's center or right of center hates the media.

00:26:43.600 And yet you can't you get hired, I guess, as an NBC contributor if you've said negative things about them.

00:26:51.160 Yeah, that view is beyond the pale, not allowed.

00:26:53.840 And they have to put it in the you're endangering democracy bucket because they have to cast themselves.

00:27:02.420 It's Jim Costa syndrome. You know, we're the heroes and the heroes in our own stories.

00:27:07.740 You saw a lot of that, which, by the way, I mean, this is not doesn't follow logically from anything I was saying.

00:27:13.820 But it wasn't that long ago that Joy Reid's blog was hacked with, you know, quote, unquote, hacked homophobic slurs and that the investigative or whatever.

00:27:25.060 She's still looking for the real killer with O.J., the real hacker of the blog.

00:27:30.420 And it's true. Stop it, Eliana. True.

00:27:32.740 And, you know, Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski on their show says we weren't consulted about this.

00:27:40.780 It's as if, you know, the executives over there are supposed to consult them about every move they make in managing the company.

00:27:45.440 And they sit there with Al Sharpton every day, who not so long ago was ginning up race riots in Crown Heights.

00:27:54.440 I mean, there is, of course, there is, of course, a grotesque double standard here that you could point out.

00:28:03.580 Well. Having criticisms of both sides of this equation, but the double standard is appalling.

00:28:10.780 Yeah. And Emily, the notion that, like, we're not putting election deniers on our airs, our wave.

00:28:17.640 All right. We're not. That's not us. We won't do it.

00:28:20.560 And meanwhile, you know, I showed you just the clips of them the number of times we just found in a quick search of them having on Stacey Abrams and Hillary Clinton.

00:28:29.940 The OGs on election denialism. But it's not just them. Like, the Democrats have been we have a little reminder, little sot montage of the Democrats denying election results that didn't go their way.

00:28:44.180 So spare me the false indignation. Here's a bit.

00:28:48.660 One thing that Trump is fearful of when it comes to his being president is that finally we will see how illegitimate his victory actually was.

00:28:59.280 I have an objection.

00:29:00.400 I object to the 15 votes from the state of North Carolina.

00:29:03.060 I object because people are horrified.

00:29:05.200 He's an illegitimate president.

00:29:06.720 John Lewis is completely right. There is a cloud of illegitimacy around the election of Donald Trump.

00:29:12.700 There absolutely is a cloud of illegitimacy.

00:29:15.360 So that legitimacy is in question. Yes.

00:29:17.200 So that was a very tainted election. And in that sense, it's illegitimate.

00:29:21.160 He actually won the last presidential election, folks. They stole the last presidential election.

00:29:25.920 If Al Gore won that election, I think he won it anyway.

00:29:28.880 Actually, I think I carried Florida.

00:29:30.640 Al Gore won the election nationwide and also in Florida, but the Supreme Court ruled the other way.

00:29:36.180 Al Gore got more votes, but not enough to stay out of the Supreme Court where President Bush was elected five to four.

00:29:41.480 Bush versus Gore, a court took away a presidency.

00:29:47.360 Emily, I'm sorry. It just brings it home.

00:29:52.260 Like, they're so full of it. Half those clips that was put together by the RNC are of those Democrats on MSNBC denying the election results.

00:30:03.000 It's basically an apples to apples, and that's what's valuable about it.

00:30:06.900 We have such a good apples to apples with 2016.

00:30:09.640 Jamie Raskin, I believe, objected to the certification of the electors back in 2016, which is basically an apples to apples with what happened in 2020.

00:30:16.740 And Jamie Raskin, he has been all over MSNBC for years, as has Stacey Abrams, who, by the way, I once were a piece, read all of Stacey Abrams' romance novels, which were written under the non-diplume Selina Montgomery.

00:30:33.480 They are horrible. Don't read them.

00:30:36.480 But they are so, let's say, sexually charged. 0.72

00:30:40.020 She likes to describe men's thighs as corded. 0.86

00:30:42.700 Over and over again, the corded thighs come up in the work of Selina Montgomery. 0.99

00:30:47.700 But anyway, she's, yes, corded.

00:30:49.780 And she's, like, just outright, like, a radical fringe person who has been treated as mainstream by the same places that now want to treat Ronna McDaniel as a radical fringe person.

00:31:01.140 It is just outrageous. It's outrageous.

00:31:03.720 Their hypocrisy, their, again, sanctimony, self-aggrandizement, it's been obvious for a long time, but it's rare that it hits you on every hour of MSNBC, from every anchor at NBC as well, so acutely, right?

00:31:25.720 And now she's definitely going to get fired. Does anyone disagree that she's about to get fired?

00:31:31.980 It's a good question. I don't know.

00:31:34.140 She's getting fired. 1.00

00:31:35.040 I mean, it's bad, like, it's such, I do trust you, because, I mean, and also, it's such bad business, is what I was going to say, and I really do trust them to be very bad at business.

00:31:44.060 You know what, though? She's the luckiest woman in the world. They're going to have to pay out this contract, and she's going to get to sit at home instead of going on, you know, whatever, at 9 o'clock at night. 1.00

00:31:56.480 Like, I'm tempted to say yes to you, Eliana, but I don't think so, because what I'm, this is, you know, I started the show with Trigger, right?

00:32:06.180 Because I know these people and how disgusting and dirty they are, and what I see them trying to do right now, all these anchors, all these people are millionaires, you know, right?

00:32:16.960 Okay, they're trying to ruin her. It's not just a matter of disassociating, you know, from her professionally at NBC. 0.89

00:32:24.080 They're trying to ruin her. What is Ronna McDaniel going to do now? Like, what job is she going to take now? 1.00

00:32:30.660 She's been forced out of the RNC, because I guess she wasn't, well, all sorts of reasons, right? But she's not a beloved figure on the right.

00:32:37.960 She's the one Vivek Ramaswamy stood up and, you know, attacked at that debate that we were at.

00:32:42.840 Well, the one before us, which was hosted by NBC, but he's always been ripping on her. 0.98

00:32:47.480 And then she's probably going to do, like, a corporate board. I don't, you know, what do these people do when they leave these positions? 0.86

00:32:53.100 No more. No way. They're toxifying her to the point where she will be unemployable. 1.00

00:32:59.420 Trigger. It's what they do. It's what they're great at. They have absolutely no, no caring, no compunction, no, just no empathy for the one that they are ruining.

00:33:13.780 And what did she do? Yes, she did flirt with election denialism. 1.00

00:33:17.220 As you point out, nowhere near as bad as Trump's core circle and nowhere near as bad as Hillary Clinton, who they would put on every day of the week and give a show to if she would only agree to it.

00:33:30.120 Right. So it's to me, it's just there's a level of cruelty happening here.

00:33:35.020 And I'm sure Ronna McDaniel's going through it, Eliana.

00:33:36.880 Yeah, it's a good point. And the power of the talent is quite interesting if they do drop her to see over the ostensible managers of the network. 0.97

00:33:56.540 I don't want to speak too soon, but but I trust your judgment on what will actually happen.

00:34:02.020 It's quite interesting to see who is actually in charge of these of these networks.

00:34:07.840 Mm hmm. God help them.

00:34:10.040 I feel for I feel for the underlings over there who are just trying to do news.

00:34:14.340 You're at the wrong place. First of all, that should be apparent by now.

00:34:17.700 So good luck. OK, there's so much more to get to.

00:34:21.380 We haven't like I was on vacation when the thing all the news broke about Don Lamont last week and his insane demands of Elon Musk.

00:34:29.340 He wanted to be. Oh, you missed a good one in space and his demands to control the editorial on X.

00:34:35.680 I mean, it's so there's standby. OK, there's a lot more to get to. Don't go anywhere.

00:34:39.880 So, ladies, I wasn't here when the news about Don Lamont and his insane contract demands to Elon Musk broke.

00:34:53.480 But what appears to be happening here is that X and Elon are fighting back against the narrative that they pulled his X deal simply because Elon didn't like that interview.

00:35:03.440 It sounds like that was just the final straw that, you know, Elon was starting to realize what he had hired, what kind of a diva he was dealing with, talentless diva and sat down across from him and thought, oh, my God, what have I gotten myself into?

00:35:19.080 Like all the things I've been getting told by my staff are true.

00:35:22.700 And they include, according to The New York Post and The Daily Mail, it's interesting because Don Lamont, through his agent, is denying this.

00:35:32.240 But both publications say they have the demand document from Jay Sherez, his his agent.

00:35:39.300 So it's in writing. It would be extraordinary for The Post or The Mail to say that if it weren't true.

00:35:46.000 You're just begging to get sued and no lawsuits been filed.

00:35:50.540 But it went through how he wanted to have the first podcast in space, how he wanted to have editorial control over news decisions or changes that would be made on X with respect to policy or shows like he was going to be in charge of news in some way.

00:36:08.940 OK, you know that in addition to I think it was eight million dollars a year, he wanted a five million dollar signing bonus.

00:36:15.940 This guy, this guy, are you going to be kidding me? He's fired his careers in tatters.

00:36:21.140 He's in no position to be making these demands.

00:36:24.360 And he wanted to go out to Vegas for some, you know, ad conference or something that X suggested he go to to promote X and demanded reportedly that he be able to bring his fiance.

00:36:36.340 I don't know if they're married, that he that they pay for their massages, their day drinking and that he get one of those Tesla SUVs that Kim Kardashian drives so he could tool around Las Vegas.

00:36:49.200 I'm dying. I'm dying. I'm dying. Is there any doubt in your mind why all of that leading up to him sitting across from Elon and being Elon being questioned about how Twitter's racist?

00:37:01.840 It causes mass shootings and you're on drugs and are no person to be running a company of this size led to the man having his deal pulled.

00:37:11.800 Go ahead, Eliana.

00:37:13.580 That wasn't even the worst part as far as I'm concerned.

00:37:16.920 If Don Lemon was amazing, I mean, give him the moon and the stars and the truck and take him to space and all that.

00:37:24.320 But, you know, Elon is not a media guy. He doesn't come from media.

00:37:30.100 He can be sort of clumsy about these things. But what must he have thought when he sat across from Don Lemon and Don Lemon challenged his contention that CNN is liberal?

00:37:42.400 He said, why do you think that? Then Don Lemon challenged his contention that Don Lemon is liberal.

00:37:54.320 And Elon must have really thought, OK, we made a mistake here.

00:37:59.340 And not only that, like, I take this guy to space on my rocket.

00:38:05.700 I take him there and leave him there.

00:38:07.340 I mean, the guy, the guy was gaslighting him.

00:38:11.460 Then you cut that little extension cord. Bye bye.

00:38:13.860 Yeah, the guy was gaslighting him in the whole interview.

00:38:18.040 It was absurd and sort of fascinating to watch because Lemon comes across as totally untethered from reality and unwilling to concede things that any person with common sense would concede and would be able to discuss. 1.00

00:38:35.540 He comes across like a total, total jerk. 0.98

00:38:40.560 And so to me, it's like the demands in the contract were totally beside the point and just underscore the fact that he is a totally out of touch. 1.00

00:38:50.360 Creep.

00:38:50.960 Yes. And, you know, if you make a deal with Don Lemon, it appears that there's a very good chance he will sue you no matter how it lands, because he got pushed out of CNN over his misogyny and repeated stupid statements and sure enough, got a lawyer and got paid out. 0.99

00:39:07.580 And before any of that happened, he reminded everybody on the air, I'm gay and I'm black, black and gay, black and gay, black and gay. 0.98

00:39:14.380 Just in case you forgot, I'm black and I'm a gay man.

00:39:17.380 And not past my prime, like Nikki Haley.

00:39:19.880 But not right. Not past my prime.

00:39:21.940 Very much is my prime.

00:39:23.900 Yeah.

00:39:24.680 Then amazingly, Elon Musk decides to try to look like he's, you know, fair to both sides and he is fair to both sides.

00:39:31.700 So that doesn't mean you have to pay somebody millions of dollars to host a show on X and gives him like a lifeline, a resurrection.

00:39:38.620 And instead of just being grateful, he does all the things that we just discussed.

00:39:43.340 And when Elon says, you know what, I actually don't want to be in business together, but you can still air your show on X.

00:39:48.400 He he goes, he talks to Kara Swisher.

00:39:52.240 Don't get me started.

00:39:53.680 And what does he blame it on?

00:39:55.920 I'm black and I'm gay.

00:39:57.880 Listen, it's not 20. 0.86

00:39:59.200 Do you think he was uncomfortable sitting in front of a gay black guy? 0.99

00:40:03.640 Probably more gay than black, I would think. 1.00

00:40:06.060 I hate to say that, but I don't know. 0.93

00:40:08.200 I don't know.

00:40:08.940 I don't know.

00:40:09.480 I mean, having to answer questions from.

00:40:11.620 I don't think he likes control beyond himself.

00:40:14.640 And so it doesn't matter who's exerting it.

00:40:17.420 I don't think he much likes Joe Biden either.

00:40:20.060 Like a white guy.

00:40:21.120 Right.

00:40:21.580 So I think he doesn't like anybody in a position of control of him. 0.98

00:40:25.400 So she seizes on the gay thing because she's gay. 0.97

00:40:29.860 Right. 0.96

00:40:30.040 So there's got to be the gay thing. 0.97

00:40:31.460 But of course, I mean, to the bitter end.

00:40:33.520 She says, no, that's not true at all.

00:40:36.100 Right.

00:40:36.500 But it's like to the bitter end. 1.00

00:40:37.720 He's like gay, gay and black. 1.00

00:40:39.780 Once again, Emily, it's come back to haunt for me. 0.99

00:40:44.260 It's the only reason anybody could possibly have a problem with Don Lemon.

00:40:48.860 It's not about how bad he is at his job.

00:40:51.320 And by the way, he is spectacularly bad at his job.

00:40:54.220 He's terrible at it.

00:40:55.420 And that's why he was let go from CNN.

00:40:58.060 He's just not good.

00:41:00.180 It's amazing how he's been able to climb the corporate media ladder.

00:41:03.660 But this is the perfect continuation of the first segment where we were talking about

00:41:07.980 Ronna McDaniel and NBC.

00:41:09.200 It's because this elite media is in such a bubble, they no longer recognize what is

00:41:14.860 sellable. 1.00

00:41:15.920 And CNN had this like moment of lucidity after Don Lemon said something that was so stupid, 0.99

00:41:21.000 but also transgressed these like identity politics lines. 0.98

00:41:26.160 So then they were like, OK, so we can't have this. 0.99

00:41:28.720 You know, not only is he dumb, but now he looks sexist. 0.99

00:41:31.180 So we're canceling out their mathematical equation. 0.99

00:41:34.860 It cancels out the gay and the blackness if you're also sexist, but in a really egregious

00:41:39.000 way, they're always doing these calculations in their head.

00:41:41.740 It's an inscrutable type of mathematics that none of us can know.

00:41:45.160 But that's what they're always constantly calculating.

00:41:48.320 And so he goes to X. 1.00

00:41:49.960 Elon Musk realizes with being face to face to Don Lemon, this guy's an idiot. 1.00

00:41:55.000 It's like, oh, my gosh, I can't. 1.00

00:41:57.540 It's not even good.

00:41:58.340 Like Elon Musk, say what you will.

00:42:00.200 One thing he understood about X is that the censorship was really bad for it, that like

00:42:04.540 nobody wants that on the platform and nobody wants that in their media.

00:42:08.540 There's a niche slice of the population and they're the people that watch Rachel Maddow

00:42:13.360 and Stephen Colbert.

00:42:14.460 But it's a tiny percentage of the population that desperately wants to be protected from

00:42:18.300 other viewpoints.

00:42:19.680 And that is bad for business.

00:42:22.260 But that is like the demo that Don Lemon thrives with.

00:42:27.140 So that's what he's used to going for.

00:42:29.680 But it's no longer interesting to the public.

00:42:31.360 And credit to Elon Musk.

00:42:32.380 He actually recognizes that.

00:42:33.680 He's a small, petty man, and he turns on his employers.

00:42:38.580 That's obvious.

00:42:40.640 I want to remind you and the audience of what happened when he signed up with X, when Elon

00:42:46.160 offered him this initial deal.

00:42:48.200 One of the things that happened was Tucker Carlson, in an extraordinarily kind gesture,

00:42:55.580 tweeted out, welcome to X.

00:42:58.100 You know, good luck.

00:42:58.940 Something like that.

00:42:59.560 And I did a bit on this show saying, no, no, no, no.

00:43:07.740 There'll be no quarter.

00:43:09.240 This guy is not just somebody who was at CNN.

00:43:11.880 That's one thing.

00:43:12.640 That's an entirely different thing than what Don Lemon's sins are.

00:43:16.960 He hates, hates, hates, hates half the country. 0.92

00:43:20.240 He loathes Republicans. 0.98

00:43:21.860 He said too many offensive things for me to count or list off the top of my head here.

00:43:27.480 And he's shown his cards.

00:43:29.900 So no, I would not welcome him to Twitter.

00:43:32.940 And I said, I'm not rooting for him.

00:43:35.520 And guess what he did?

00:43:37.220 As soon as he got in trouble with Elon, he took a shot at Tucker Carlson.

00:43:42.820 He took a shot at him.

00:43:44.660 He was like, Elon wanted an easy interview.

00:43:48.280 He should have sat down with Tucker, mentioned me as well, because I'm, as you know, known

00:43:53.700 for my softball interviews of people in positions of power.

00:43:58.240 But in any event, he, the what?

00:44:00.500 So that's how he repays Tucker's kind gesture of being like, you know what?

00:44:04.700 We're cool.

00:44:05.320 Let's move forward. 1.00

00:44:06.320 His first response is, fuck off. 1.00

00:44:08.960 You're a softball interviewer. 1.00

00:44:10.700 I'm the man.

00:44:11.980 Which tells us what, Eliana?

00:44:13.420 I mean, it's classless and exactly what I would expect of him.

00:44:23.600 Look, I don't think he was fired really because he did a tough interview with Elon Musk.

00:44:29.980 But it was bizarre to say, what drugs do you do?

00:44:36.800 And did a doctor prescribe them?

00:44:38.840 And what's going on with that?

00:44:40.120 And then the biggest turnoff was the denial of basic things, like that CNN is perceived

00:44:45.320 to being as being liberal, that he's perceived to being as being liberal, that I think called

00:44:53.740 into question, like how reality-based this person is.

00:44:59.620 Okay.

00:45:00.200 Now, I have a couple minutes left in this block, and I'm going to move on from Don, because

00:45:04.980 we've had enough of him.

00:45:05.800 I mean, everyone has.

00:45:06.500 And that brings me to Fannie Willis, who you may or may not be aware is our new feminist 1.00

00:45:12.820 hero.

00:45:13.720 I was talking about this with Glenn Beck on his show earlier.

00:45:16.640 But you may not know that she's your new role model and that whether you are aware or not,

00:45:21.980 you want to be just like her.

00:45:25.260 Listen to SOT19.

00:45:26.040 When I tell you the outpouring of women, and I'll tell you this, especially African-American

00:45:32.120 women, who will just say, we are so proud.

00:45:34.160 You are such a good representative of us.

00:45:36.960 But I would be lying to say it's only African-American women. 1.00

00:45:39.920 I have had Caucasian women, Asian women, Indian women. 1.00

00:45:43.580 I told Jeff one day, I didn't think I was the face of the feminist movement, but somehow

00:45:48.380 I became it.

00:45:49.200 And I think that women feel like women are treated differently when they're professionals

00:45:53.080 and they're proud to see someone that is strong and trying to do the right job, certainly

00:45:58.960 flawed, like every human being is flawed.

00:46:01.900 My father has a saying, only one perfect man walked the face of the earth and they crucified

00:46:05.440 him.

00:46:05.940 I am not a perfect human being, but what I am is a hardworking human being and a human being

00:46:10.600 that loves the community I serve and who understands the seat does not belong to me.

00:46:15.000 It belongs to the people.

00:46:16.340 And as long as I'm here, I'm going to try to do the job in a way that's honorable.

00:46:21.240 I mean, do you guys ever watch the BBC's Pride and Prejudice?

00:46:25.280 You know, the one with Colin Firth.

00:46:27.200 Yep.

00:46:27.940 Yeah.

00:46:28.460 Yeah.

00:46:28.940 It's like she she reminds me of like, you know, like.

00:46:35.120 I try to remember whether it's that one or it's Sense and Sensibility, but it's basically

00:46:39.260 the character who's like, I only know that my my friends all say that I'm the brilliant

00:46:45.480 one.

00:46:46.100 I don't I would never say.

00:46:48.360 Right.

00:46:48.880 I would never say it about myself.

00:46:51.100 I just know that everyone around me really looks up to me a lot.

00:46:55.300 Who talks like that, Emily?

00:46:57.600 Donald Trump.

00:46:58.380 It's him being like many people are saying that I'm the most handsome, successful businessman

00:47:02.120 who has ever lived.

00:47:03.700 Like that's exact.

00:47:04.220 And that's it's so funny with all these cases, it's like Trump versus a wannabe Trump

00:47:08.900 who like has no would never want to affiliate with Trump, but just like mirrors his worst

00:47:13.420 characteristics in the most glaring way.

00:47:16.560 Mm hmm.

00:47:17.340 I don't know.

00:47:18.000 I by the way, if you've never seen it, you have to see the one with Colin Firth, because

00:47:20.960 the woman who plays Elizabeth Bennett's mother is the greatest character ever.

00:47:24.380 Such spasms down my neck and pains down my side.

00:47:27.300 But you know me, I never complain.

00:47:29.340 It had a tinge of that to it.

00:47:31.100 So, Eliana, are you feeling like Fannie Willis is a feminist icon?

00:47:35.960 And do you have any thoughts on the fact that one of the four DAs or three technically,

00:47:40.820 because Jack Smith has two going after Trump criminally, is owning the fact that she's really

00:47:46.360 leaning into how people are looking up to her because she's so fearless and won't stand 0.89

00:47:53.680 down?

00:47:54.700 You know, depends what we mean by feminist. 1.00

00:47:56.820 Right.

00:47:58.260 True.

00:47:58.540 But if what it means to be a feminist icon is sleeping with your subordinates and hiring 1.00

00:48:05.760 them and putting them on the dole, you go, girl. 0.97

00:48:09.140 And then invoking Jesus.

00:48:11.300 Yeah.

00:48:11.740 My sister in Christ, you're lying.

00:48:13.740 Exactly.

00:48:14.440 You're lying, girl. 1.00

00:48:16.520 Not to mention, you know, my own thought is like-

00:48:18.900 You're lying to the court under oath and putting yourself at risk of getting disbarred.

00:48:25.540 Three cheers.

00:48:26.700 Three cheers.

00:48:27.620 I'm sure my daughter will have a poster up of her in her bedroom one day. 1.00

00:48:31.320 This is a woman who's like, she was broke when she took the office. 1.00

00:48:34.840 She admitted taking campaign funds to use for personal use, which is illegal.

00:48:38.440 Then she starts an affair with a married man.

00:48:40.840 Let's not forget, their affair began in 2019, according to the testimony.

00:48:45.100 He was still very much married at the time.

00:48:46.780 He was still married in 2022 when they admit that it happened.

00:48:50.560 And he's not yet officially divorced to this day.

00:48:53.220 Took all his money, went all over the world, Aruba, Belize, all the cruises.

00:48:56.880 Then took the stand and lied about it so she could keep her job and continue prosecuting 0.99

00:49:00.580 Trump in a BS prosecution from the start.

00:49:03.280 So no, it's a no.

00:49:05.260 You're not a feminist icon. 1.00

00:49:06.460 You're not an icon of any kind.

00:49:08.620 And you're likely to be out of a job and possibly a bar license soon.

00:49:15.440 Okay, so Eliana, the Free Beacon has a post.

00:49:19.260 I think it went up yesterday about Joe Biden's origin story being almost completely or completely

00:49:28.340 false as he relayed to special counsel, her, H-U-R, in connection with the investigation

00:49:36.140 into whether he had classified documents.

00:49:38.640 And if you read that transcript, he went off on several tangents.

00:49:42.900 National Review has done a great job covering this, so it's Free Beacon, about how crazy

00:49:47.280 he sounds.

00:49:47.880 I mean, just, you know, he sounds like your grandpa who, like, keeps going on his stream

00:49:53.060 of consciousness about weird stories from his past.

00:49:56.420 And you just kind of nod politely.

00:49:59.260 And, you know, you could basically just throw out, like, tell us about high school.

00:50:04.460 Put a log on that fire.

00:50:06.160 You could take a nap for 30 minutes.

00:50:07.880 The grandpa wouldn't even know that you weren't there.

00:50:10.060 That's the point Joe Biden's at.

00:50:12.520 Anywho, tell us what you guys found about the story he was telling Robert Herr about when

00:50:18.520 he was allegedly a young whippersnapper lawyer involved in a case against a young man who'd

00:50:24.940 been disfigured.

00:50:26.660 Well, this is a story Biden has told many times over the course of his political career.

00:50:33.660 But the difference when he was telling it to Robert Herr in his interview with her was

00:50:38.700 that he was legally required to tell the truth.

00:50:41.500 And this is a story about how Biden got into politics when he said that when he graduated

00:50:46.700 law school, he went to work for a firm that was defending a construction company against

00:50:52.720 a claim from a worker who had been severely injured in an accident. 0.93

00:50:59.820 And Biden said the worker had lost a leg and lost his penis in some horrible accident.

00:51:05.900 And Biden's amazing legal work had resulted in no settlement for this worker.

00:51:11.680 And he told her that he was so disturbed that he had helped defend this construction company

00:51:18.680 that he, when the case finished, walked right across the street and into the public defender's

00:51:26.480 office and would never do this kind of work representing a big business again.

00:51:31.520 However, our reporters, Andrew Kerr and Joe Simonson, dug into the records, went back to the firm

00:51:39.800 Biden claimed to work for and found there was a similar case.

00:51:44.380 But Biden was in law school when this case was litigated.

00:51:48.520 And in fact, the plaintiff that sued the construction company won that case.

00:51:53.320 He received a settlement.

00:51:55.300 Biden was not working at the firm at the time.

00:51:57.380 And the National Archives, which holds records of all the cases that were litigated in the

00:52:03.000 court system, could find no other case with a similar fact pattern.

00:52:07.020 So this appears to be total BS.

00:52:10.980 It's unbelievable because if you look at what he told her, H-U-R, it just bothers me so much.

00:52:18.980 He apparently was talking about this story and the shame that he felt about having defeated

00:52:25.820 this man who, as it turns out, actually won his case.

00:52:28.820 He was not defeated by Joe Biden or Joe Biden's law firm and and somehow said, it's the only

00:52:35.780 time I ever lied.

00:52:37.880 I guess a reference to whatever he said in his fake story to the reference to the half.

00:52:45.020 He was invited.

00:52:46.380 No, it was too close.

00:52:48.300 He was invited to a celebratory lunch with the boss, he claimed.

00:52:53.280 But he was so unsettled that he couldn't.

00:52:56.560 He didn't want to go to the lunch because he was so upset that he had defended this company.

00:53:00.340 And instead of going to this lunch, he walked across the street to the public defender's

00:53:04.560 office.

00:53:04.760 And he says, that's the only time I ever lied, which is in itself, of course, a lie.

00:53:10.220 Who would say that?

00:53:11.080 Honestly, he could get a job at MSNBC.

00:53:13.480 You know, it's all about honesty over there.

00:53:15.000 So I know, Emily, you're going to be shocked to hear that Joe Biden lied about his past,

00:53:21.580 even when he was speaking to an independent counsel, a special counsel who was there to

00:53:27.040 investigate him.

00:53:28.380 But it does appear, according to the Free Beacon, that pretty much every word of this

00:53:32.520 is made up.

00:53:34.000 I had further evidence by the fact that when the beacon reached out to the White House,

00:53:38.140 the spokespeople did not respond at all to requests for comment because, indeed, what

00:53:44.340 could one say to justify this?

00:53:46.760 It appears to have happened before Joe Biden was even in law school.

00:53:52.860 And what Andrew and Joe did, it's such a great report and, like, just all around good

00:53:57.240 stuff from the beacon per usual.

00:53:58.940 But they actually went to the National Archives and they did what reporters do.

00:54:04.280 They dug for the information.

00:54:05.840 They tried to validate it.

00:54:07.260 And basically every source that they asked, not just the National Archives, but people

00:54:12.520 in Delaware, legal communities in Delaware that would have knowledge of this, they're

00:54:17.440 not coming up with anything that would show Joe Biden's story is accurate.

00:54:21.320 In fact, it seems very clear that it matches, as Eliana said, this case that happened when

00:54:24.840 he was in law school.

00:54:26.500 And so it's just basic.

00:54:27.760 It's basic digging.

00:54:29.100 And this is why Joe Biden was never a competitive presidential candidate.

00:54:32.700 I mean, he dropped out of the race over fabulism back in the 1980s.

00:54:36.800 It's why he was never competitive at the highest echelons of American politics until Obama plucked

00:54:43.120 him, hoping that he could, you know, sort of be helpful in his vice presidential ticket.

00:54:48.480 And then Joe Biden comes along.

00:54:50.140 Everyone is so radical in the Democratic primary that it's like, OK, I guess we got to go with

00:54:54.140 this guy, the guy that had to drop out decades ago because he was such a fabulous who continues

00:54:58.100 to be a fabulous telling tales about corn pop and whomever else.

00:55:01.820 So it's not an entirely surprising story.

00:55:04.580 But I think from the level of reporting here, the various layers of verification that the

00:55:11.560 Beacon sought from the National Archives of Delaware, this is a lie.

00:55:14.740 And then he's lying about the lie.

00:55:16.680 But then again, it's not surprising.

00:55:18.220 It's very much for it's very much in line with the Joe Biden that America has known for

00:55:22.840 decades.

00:55:23.580 It's very on brand.

00:55:25.080 Now, speaking of presidential politics, you've got James Carville weighing in, talking about

00:55:30.760 the Democrats problem right now in getting, you know, their voters fired up and going

00:55:36.240 into this, you know, next seven months of election in Maureen Dowd profile of Carville in the New

00:55:41.680 York Times on Sunday.

00:55:43.360 They talk about how he's busy as ever raising money for Democrats, doing a podcast with Al

00:55:47.820 Hunt and starring in a documentary directed by and so on.

00:55:51.180 OK.

00:55:53.720 They he says the following.

00:55:55.640 It's actually quite interesting.

00:55:57.200 First of all, he said this, which I kind of love.

00:56:00.760 Regarding how bad Joe Biden's polls are, when I look at these polling numbers, it's like

00:56:05.760 walking in on your grandma naked.

00:56:07.780 You can't get the image out of your mind.

00:56:13.580 It's pretty good.

00:56:15.540 Pretty good. 0.82

00:56:16.260 But here's here's more on why specifically Joe Biden is bleeding black male voters.

00:56:23.040 A suspicion of mine quoting here is that there are too many preachy females dominating the 1.00

00:56:28.760 culture of his party.

00:56:30.340 Don't drink beer.

00:56:31.400 Don't watch football.

00:56:32.360 Don't eat hamburgers.

00:56:33.760 This is not good for you.

00:56:35.320 The message is too feminine.

00:56:37.320 Everything you're doing is destroying the planet.

00:56:39.420 You've got to eat your peas.

00:56:41.560 That's him describing, I think, the preachy ladies over on the left. 1.00

00:56:45.520 First, if you listen to Democrat elites still quoting from Carville, NPR is my go to place

00:56:51.260 for that, he says.

00:56:52.360 The whole talk is about how women, women of color are going to decide this election.

00:56:57.940 I'm like, well, 48 percent of the people that vote are males.

00:57:02.080 Do you mind if they have some consideration?

00:57:04.880 This all makes perfect sense to me.

00:57:08.100 Some on the left think this is somehow sexist or clueless.

00:57:12.620 I think he's raising a very good point because I feel like all three of us have been lectured

00:57:16.720 by those preachy ladies at one point or another.

00:57:19.040 And he's not wrong, Emily, about how ubiquitous they are and how dominant they are in the messaging

00:57:25.560 on the left.

00:57:26.620 Yeah.

00:57:27.140 And he's reacting to these polls that are fascinating, showing really big losses on Joe

00:57:31.640 Biden's behalf among black voters, Hispanic voters that are especially acute with male

00:57:35.540 voters.

00:57:35.900 And we actually don't just see the loss from Joe Biden.

00:57:38.680 What we see is some of those voters actually going to Donald Trump.

00:57:41.620 This is unprecedented for a Republican in modern history.

00:57:45.640 And Democrats haven't really known what to do with it.

00:57:48.620 That's why I thought Carville's theory was really interesting.

00:57:50.840 I hadn't heard that before, but it makes perfect sense from the sort of climate agenda to the

00:57:55.940 way, for example, that they treated Brett Kavanaugh over and over again.

00:57:59.500 You find examples of this.

00:58:00.600 It is tonal.

00:58:01.800 I think that's true.

00:58:02.780 I think it's tonal and policy.

00:58:05.160 But this is, again, interesting because basically no other professional Democrats are thinking about

00:58:10.740 these things and what they've done instead is blame shifts among Hispanic voters on

00:58:15.840 disinformation.

00:58:17.120 That's not going to be helpful for the Democratic Party.

00:58:19.500 In fact, I don't think it's helpful for the country to have a Democratic Party that is so

00:58:22.900 wildly out of touch with its own potential voter base that instead of saying maybe Hispanic

00:58:28.600 voters who have been called Latinx by presidential candidates in presidential debates have a problem

00:58:34.060 with that.

00:58:34.660 Maybe they have a problem with the way we talk about faith.

00:58:36.880 Maybe men in particular are reacting poorly to the way that the media covered Brett Kavanaugh

00:58:42.420 or the way the media lectures constantly every time Donald Trump says something that most

00:58:47.380 people find funny, but they treat as a threat to democracy.

00:58:50.380 Maybe instead of all of that, instead of just saying this is all disinformation, maybe they

00:58:56.320 actually have some honest retrospection.

00:58:58.460 And I feel like Carville has been just the lone voice crying out in the wilderness on some

00:59:03.260 of the stuff like political correctness going back years now and nobody's listening to him

00:59:08.320 because honestly, he's a straight white male.

00:59:11.800 Like nobody cares about what he has to say.

00:59:14.400 And even when it starts showing up in polling and in elections, because that voice has been

00:59:19.580 so thoroughly disenfranchised in the halls of the DNC, et cetera, et cetera, that while Carville

00:59:24.100 himself might have a big platform that he built in the decades prior to now, he's lost a huge

00:59:30.040 point of credibility or a huge chunk of his credibility with the people who are running

00:59:34.680 the Democratic Party now, that are running the media now.

00:59:37.800 So even when this is showing up in polling, they're still not listening.

00:59:41.060 They're still just blaming disinformation.

00:59:43.820 You know, Eliana, there's when he's talking, you know, there when I'm picturing AOC lecturing

00:59:49.300 us about our hamburgers, how we can't have them anymore and we can't have heat in our homes.

00:59:55.220 We can't have SUVs and we can't, you know, now the left wants us, we have to get rid of

00:59:59.140 our gas stoves.

01:00:00.700 It's a no.

01:00:01.720 And so like they are very punitive.

01:00:04.720 They want to control the way we live, of course, from their own private jets and mansions, which 0.91

01:00:09.660 are, you know, they're gas guzzling and energy guzzling by the minute.

01:00:13.320 And he's feeling it.

01:00:14.520 But I think this one goes beyond just the squad or leftist politicians.

01:00:20.920 You know, if you spend a day on social media, whether it's TikTok or Instagram or X, you're 0.99

01:00:28.220 going to see dozens of this kind of person, these women lecturing you about how you suck 1.00

01:00:36.040 if you don't share their politics and you need to change your life if you want to be a good 0.98

01:00:39.660 person like they are and live more like these far leftists.

01:00:43.660 Well, what's even more interesting is that he referred to masculine and feminine messaging,

01:00:50.660 and he's talking to members of a party where in which the elite echelons deny that there's

01:00:58.460 any differences between the genders.

01:01:00.640 So you can tell that he he may actually be yelling into the void.

01:01:05.220 But it's quite interesting when he's talking about particular messages that resonate with

01:01:10.500 men and particular messages that resonate with women, trying to convince people who deny that

01:01:17.060 such a thing is possible, but telling them that they really need to recalibrate their message

01:01:24.300 if they're going to keep men of any race and in the party.

01:01:29.680 Hmm, I feel like he's got his finger right on the pulse is exact because there's a reason

01:01:36.440 that all these men are flocking to Trump.

01:01:37.900 And it's not just white men, you know, for the first time you have black men going to 0.95

01:01:41.840 the Democratic Party is losing black men.

01:01:43.940 I mean, this has just never happened before.

01:01:45.960 And there's a reason.

01:01:47.320 And I do think it's like I should play that Fannie Willis sound bite again, like I'm the face 0.84

01:01:52.500 of feminism.

01:01:53.880 No, you know, of the feminist movement.

01:01:55.880 If so, yes, then it's a hard no.

01:01:57.300 No man, other than Nathan Wade, wants a part of that.

01:02:02.420 Not anymore.

01:02:04.140 No, what man wants to be with that? 1.00

01:02:06.820 And it's interesting because what we've seen also is polls among younger voters, especially

01:02:12.100 like Gen Z, showing men and women polarizing on some like super hot button cultural issues.

01:02:18.860 Young men identifying as Republican in ways that go beyond where millennials and Gen X were.

01:02:24.520 Again, and this is all in the context of the media saying Donald Trump is going to destroy

01:02:29.900 and some Republicans saying Donald Trump is going to destroy the Republican Party with

01:02:34.480 young voters, with black voters, with Hispanic voters.

01:02:37.780 And what we're seeing actually is this polarization by sex.

01:02:41.260 I think some of what you see with black and Hispanic voters is also that feeling of class sort of being

01:02:47.060 patronized by elites that has resonated with voters that are middle class and lower income

01:02:53.740 brackets across the board in recent years, whether they're white, black or Hispanic.

01:02:58.260 But when you see younger voters, to your point, Megan, about how this is now a total stereotype on

01:03:04.340 tick tock, an archetype on tick tock, on social media of young white women lecturing you about 1.00

01:03:11.600 how they are polyamorous and clinging to their crystals, whatever else that is being associated

01:03:17.980 with the Democratic Party.

01:03:19.080 And it's pushing young men away.

01:03:21.640 It's true.

01:03:23.320 Although my sister-in-law is big into the crystals, though, she is not a leftist.

01:03:27.520 Um, OK, speaking of, uh, the presidential candidates, now we've got to get to RFKJ.

01:03:34.740 He's announcing his running mate, uh, today in Oakland, California, and it's going to happen

01:03:41.380 just as our show goes, you know, to, to tape at 2 p.m., but we expect it to be one of his big donors.

01:03:49.900 Uh, hold on a second.

01:03:51.080 What's her name again?

01:03:51.800 I don't even know this person.

01:03:53.540 Nicole Shanahan.

01:03:55.120 Nicole Shanahan.

01:03:56.040 OK, so it's going to be Nicole.

01:03:58.040 Like, do we care?

01:03:59.020 Because, yeah, I love RFKJ, but he's not going to win.

01:04:01.940 So, uh, do we care about, I was kind of rooting for Mike Rowe.

01:04:05.420 I loved him.

01:04:06.380 But what, what does this tell us?

01:04:08.740 Aaron Rodgers, this seems kind of like kind of a left.

01:04:11.040 That means he didn't get Aaron Rodgers, I think.

01:04:13.280 Right?

01:04:13.740 Definitely means he didn't get Aaron Rodgers.

01:04:15.400 Correct.

01:04:15.820 So, no, I don't know.

01:04:16.940 Is this just because she's a big donor or what?

01:04:19.620 I think the Jake Tapper, Pamela Brown report about how Aaron Rodgers was allegedly once a Sandy

01:04:24.580 hook truther at, uh, the Kentucky Derby in 2012 just destroyed his vice presidential chances.

01:04:32.760 I'm going to go ahead and say that wasn't it.

01:04:36.040 Um, RFKJ, though, I have to say he's been responsive in a way that I don't love to negative

01:04:42.720 criticism.

01:04:43.300 You know, like he was supposed to sit with the Moms for Liberty, and he was supposed

01:04:47.220 to go to the Moms for Liberty conference, and I think had agreed to do it, according

01:04:51.480 to Tiffany Justice, who runs it.

01:04:53.880 And, uh, he bailed at the last minute because he got so much pushback, and then he came out

01:04:59.600 publicly and said that he hadn't agreed.

01:05:01.900 No, no, I had never agreed.

01:05:03.080 And she was all over X saying, not true.

01:05:05.780 Sorry, but that's a lie.

01:05:06.900 He had agreed, and he bailed to pressure.

01:05:09.440 So maybe you're right.

01:05:10.540 Maybe it was a CNN report like that.

01:05:12.600 That actually might have turned him on it.

01:05:14.280 I don't know.

01:05:15.220 Um, do we care about him at all?

01:05:16.580 Are we moving on from RFKJ?

01:05:18.020 I mean, I realize he has no chance to actually win, but he certainly has a chance to be a

01:05:21.060 spoiler in some ways, Eliana.

01:05:22.680 So maybe we should be paying closer attention.

01:05:26.240 Definitely has a chance to be a spoiler, and she's pretty cute. 1.00

01:05:29.300 I don't know.

01:05:30.040 Um, she's attractive. 1.00

01:05:31.440 She apparently, the Wall Street Journal reported, had an affair with Elon Musk.

01:05:35.720 Uh, she's very wealthy.

01:05:37.040 She, she's the ex-wife of the founder of Google, Sergey Brin.

01:05:42.100 Everyone is.

01:05:43.160 Everyone is.

01:05:45.100 So I'm not super familiar with her, but, um, less interesting than some of the alternatives.

01:05:49.820 But, you know, um, I think we got to pay attention to RFK Jr.

01:05:54.680 Well, he's only on the ballot in, I think, four states, but it helps him get on the ballot

01:05:59.780 in more states if he has a vice presidential candidate with him.

01:06:03.360 But, you know, these third-party candidates, like, I know we've spent some time talking

01:06:07.260 about Cornel West and so on, but, like, nothing seems to be really materializing.

01:06:11.740 Like, RFKJ's numbers, they're kind of dwindling.

01:06:15.580 He's only on the ballot in a few states, Emily.

01:06:18.380 I don't know what's happening with Cornel West now or, well, go ahead.

01:06:22.160 Yeah.

01:06:22.660 Jill Stein didn't have huge numbers either in 2016, but her tiny margin, uh, would have 1.00

01:06:28.680 made the difference.

01:06:29.360 If those voters had gone to Hillary, it would have made the difference. 1.00

01:06:32.040 So I think we got to pay attention to these guys.

01:06:34.380 Even if they're, even if they're only pulling tens of thousands of voters, um, this is going

01:06:40.100 to be a close election because the country is so polarized that if they're getting any

01:06:44.100 interest at all, like, it could, it could have a real impact.

01:06:47.580 There's still no labels, which, you know, we thought Joe Manchin was going to be the candidate

01:06:52.020 for, but they're still out there and looking for candidates.

01:06:56.300 And, uh, you know, I think anything could happen.

01:06:58.580 You got the libertarians.

01:06:59.520 I don't know.

01:07:00.300 Um, you raise a good point.

01:07:01.560 And I will say on that front, there's a report out today in Rolling Stone that they're, they're

01:07:06.860 going scorched earth.

01:07:08.460 The Democrats are on preparing for November and expecting that it's going to be a razor

01:07:15.420 blade type tight, um, election.

01:07:19.160 And that even more so, I mean, I remember back in the day of Fox news when I first joined

01:07:23.240 in 2004, Ben Ginsburg roaming around the halls of Fox news, Bush v. Gore, my old partner at,

01:07:31.240 uh, Jones day, Mike Carville argued that case before the Florida, uh, Supreme court.

01:07:35.880 It was crazy.

01:07:36.740 So lawyers used to be all over these campaigns.

01:07:39.320 And ever since the hanging chads, they gear up every November for that kind of thing.

01:07:44.620 But it sounds like the Democrats are going into a different gear with a quote, super structure

01:07:49.700 this year to get ready.

01:07:52.420 Uh, this per Rolling Stone over the past year, team Biden has been conducting war games, crafting

01:07:58.120 complex legal strategies, and devoting extensive resources to prepare for as one former senior

01:08:03.040 Biden administration official puts it all hell breaks loose scenarios.

01:08:07.420 The preparations include planning for a contingency in which Biden Biden's margin of victory is

01:08:12.760 so razor thin that Trump and the GOP launch a tidal wave of legal challenges and political

01:08:17.960 maneuvers to rerun the 2020 election strategy, declare victory anyway, and try to will it into

01:08:25.080 existence.

01:08:26.320 One Trump advisor said that they had privately told the ex president to anticipate an electoral

01:08:32.300 knife fight to the death, uh, on and likely in the wake of election date, they expect this

01:08:39.280 to make Florida in 2000 look like child's play.

01:08:43.020 Well, that sounds fun.

01:08:44.580 That, that, that sounds great, Emily.

01:08:46.680 I'm looking forward to that.

01:08:48.280 No, that's what scares me the most.

01:08:49.540 I think we're hurtling into, especially because when you look at how Democrats laid the groundwork,

01:08:53.240 we talked about this earlier in the show for 2016, you played a clip of Jerry Nadler calling

01:08:57.140 that election quote tainted.

01:08:58.620 Um, and then when you had in 2020 on the right, I think we're hurtling towards a fall that could

01:09:04.760 actually, and God forbid, but I actually do think it could be potentially violent, uh,

01:09:09.760 a fall and a winter.

01:09:10.500 And I, I don't think anybody is actually really prepared for how that could go because also

01:09:15.920 the Donald Trump court cases that are sprinkled throughout the next 18 months, um, at really

01:09:20.580 inopportune times that could go really bad direction for him that his voters might react

01:09:25.360 to, uh, so all of this, I think is a, uh, terrifying kind of cauldron.

01:09:29.500 Also, if you look at how, uh, Jill Stein was treated to the honest point back in 2016, just,

01:09:34.680 you know, in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, people freaked out so much about that tiny margin

01:09:39.660 of Jill Stein voters.

01:09:40.780 So when you have a third party candidate, who's, I think nationally, RCP has them around like

01:09:44.640 9.9%.

01:09:45.620 And then when you throw Stein and Cornell West in the mix, there's somewhere around 15%,

01:09:49.600 maybe a little bit lower than 15% total among third party candidates.

01:09:53.000 Uh, so even that, even if it holds constant, um, you know, the, the fury that is unleashed

01:10:00.100 against voters, not just the party apparatus, but other Americans, you know, voters who you

01:10:04.960 blame for destroying the election and bringing in more Trump and the end of our democracy.

01:10:09.260 I just think the stakes, the way that we're talking about it, it's just so heightened.

01:10:13.160 The electoral challenges are powder kegs.

01:10:15.500 So I'm genuinely praying for peace in the fall and the winter, just based on what we've seen

01:10:20.440 in the last 10 years, I'm pretty frightened on that point.

01:10:23.780 Same.

01:10:24.180 And I think the only way we avoid deadly riots is one party wins in a landslide, but it has

01:10:31.340 to be a landslide.

01:10:32.360 It has to be something that no one can dispute.

01:10:35.680 And even then, if that party is Joe Biden, and this is such a stretch, it's not going to

01:10:39.400 be, I mean, it's just, how is it possibly going to be Joe Biden in a lot in a landslide?

01:10:43.080 The, the right is not going to accept it given the lawfare that's been unleashed.

01:10:48.020 You know, if Trump wins in a landslide, it's going to have to be accepted.

01:10:53.100 It's going to, because Trump's, he's not, he's not somebody who's cheating in elections.

01:10:57.940 That's not even something that the left is really throwing out at him anymore.

01:11:01.080 They said at about 16, nothing materialized.

01:11:03.680 They never proved anything.

01:11:04.720 They just lament.

01:11:05.860 They said, Russia, Russia, Russia.

01:11:07.300 It went nowhere.

01:11:08.120 It was a fake news, you know, three years on that.

01:11:11.980 So what are they, how are they going to say Republicans stole the election if he wins in

01:11:15.640 a landslide?

01:11:16.680 Right.

01:11:16.980 I don't know what you have a thought on that.

01:11:18.660 Yeah.

01:11:18.880 Another thing is just remembering how they reacted to Brian Kemp's law in Georgia, the

01:11:23.100 voting law and called it Jim Eagle.

01:11:24.720 I mean, the president of the United States compared it to Jim Crow 2.0, like actually compared it

01:11:28.700 to overt racism.

01:11:30.540 Stacey Abrams did the exact same thing.

01:11:32.340 The so-called mainstream media blasted that from the rooftops and that foments racial divide.

01:11:37.320 The racial divide in ways that are really dangerous and feel like a powder keg, too.

01:11:41.940 So I can easily say, see them playing that card in a way that's not predicated on reality,

01:11:48.700 but is used as a political tool.

01:11:52.940 I don't know.

01:11:53.640 I've been thinking a lot about it lately because now we have the first Trump trial date,

01:11:57.420 April 15th for the Stormy Daniels hush money payment in New York.

01:12:01.280 That case is going to go forward.

01:12:02.820 And I think it's obvious he's going to be convicted.

01:12:05.100 Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I think he's going to be a convicted felon for sure by election

01:12:10.780 day.

01:12:11.220 I realize this is all being baked in.

01:12:13.100 We've talked about a million times, Eliana, but the law fair now is getting a lot more

01:12:17.860 serious.

01:12:18.820 You know, he doesn't really face jail time on this New York one, but he does on the others.

01:12:25.220 And honestly, I've asked myself this question many times.

01:12:28.080 What if Trump loses?

01:12:29.060 If he loses in November, do they still try to put him in jail?

01:12:35.500 I don't think I think they do, because I think they're they won't admit that this is

01:12:39.940 all about an election.

01:12:42.500 And I do believe if Donald Trump doesn't win this election, which I think he's likely to,

01:12:47.040 but who knows?

01:12:47.840 He's going to jail because he will be convicted in one or both of those Jack Smith cases and

01:12:54.860 potentially Georgia.

01:12:56.820 And there won't be a Republican president to pardon him in the federal cases.

01:13:02.180 There won't be somebody down in Georgia willing to do it potentially or potentially who even

01:13:07.880 can.

01:13:08.360 And I'm not sure if the Georgia governor would be able to help.

01:13:10.480 But the stakes are just so high.

01:13:14.000 The stakes are incredibly high, Eliana, and they've made it to where Trump must stay in

01:13:18.980 and must win.

01:13:22.080 Yeah, look, the stakes, as you said, are extremely high for Trump personally.

01:13:27.760 And he has got to be thinking about this when it comes to his choice of vice presidential

01:13:32.260 nominee.

01:13:32.960 He is I would have to imagine that he's going to be making a data driven choice about who

01:13:40.660 can really help them win this, because he has to know that if he loses, he is going to

01:13:45.240 jail.

01:13:45.600 I agree with you on that, Megan.

01:13:47.360 And so he's got to be thinking about people who could really add to the ticket and help

01:13:52.420 his chances of winning.

01:13:53.820 I do think he's going to be taking this dead seriously and not playing around with joke

01:13:59.100 nominees.

01:14:00.400 That's my guess.

01:14:01.380 I don't have any particular insight into the process, but that is my guess for the reasons

01:14:05.500 that you have laid out.

01:14:07.080 That's kind of the next turning point politically for him.

01:14:10.500 And you're right.

01:14:11.420 He doesn't face he doesn't face jail for the Stormy Daniels stuff.

01:14:14.960 But he is staring down the barrel of the the Jack Smith trials where the juries are.

01:14:22.460 The jury is not favorable to him.

01:14:24.940 And the other the other Jack Smith case, the documents case where which is the most, I

01:14:31.120 think is the most serious case against him.

01:14:33.660 But in Florida, where the jury is more likely to be favorable to him.

01:14:40.240 Oh, it's dark.

01:14:41.820 You know, we talk about it.

01:14:43.000 I always talk about the news in a light way because it's the way you should take in your

01:14:46.860 news.

01:14:47.180 It's just, you know, there's no other way to do it.

01:14:48.600 You can't you get too dark a heart if you let everything stab you deeply and wound you.

01:14:54.860 But this one is dark.

01:14:56.440 And just as the trials approach and as I see, you know, there was a Fannie Willis clip.

01:15:00.220 I played the funny one of her.

01:15:02.080 But she would just see her with the train is coming like the. 0.82

01:15:05.480 The.

01:15:06.800 The open threats, right, Letitia James, like, and yes, I look at 42 Wall Street every day.

01:15:13.060 And then there was Fannie will play it.

01:15:14.640 But this is her talking about the train.

01:15:15.860 It's just the way she's talking about a man's freedom.

01:15:18.660 You know, the Republican nominee, that's he's the presumptive he's going to be.

01:15:21.900 We all know it.

01:15:22.320 The former president broken a norm, never broken in our 240 year history.

01:15:27.660 Listen to her talk about it.

01:15:29.540 I don't feel like my reputation needs to be reclaimed.

01:15:32.120 Let's say it for the record.

01:15:33.040 I'm not embarrassed by anything I've done.

01:15:35.840 You know, I guess my greatest crime is I had a relationship with a man.

01:15:40.900 But that's not something that I find embarrassing in any way.

01:15:44.080 And I know that I have not done anything that's illegal.

01:15:47.160 No, my team's been continuing to work.

01:15:48.960 And I think the media and especially organizations like your own have been paying attention.

01:15:53.220 All while that was going on, we were writing responsive briefs.

01:15:55.900 We were still doing the case in the way that it needed to be done.

01:15:59.340 I don't feel like we've been slowed down at all.

01:16:01.320 I do think that there are efforts to slow down this train, but the train is coming.

01:16:06.840 That clip from CNN, the train is coming.

01:16:09.680 It's coming.

01:16:10.720 Yeah, right on.

01:16:12.860 It's just dark.

01:16:14.140 It's extremely dark.

01:16:15.580 It's what is leading a lot of Trump milquetoast supporters to say, I will pull the lever for him.

01:16:25.400 I will make sure that this is not that before and after moment for the country where somebody's kept out of office because of lawfare, something we've never done before.

01:16:33.540 Ladies, I've got to tell you that this just in scoop from Puck News, Phil and Byers, NBC News plans to drop ex-RNC chair, Ronna McDaniel. 0.99

01:16:43.240 Oh, man.

01:16:43.720 As a paid contributor.

01:16:44.500 You called it, Megan.

01:16:45.060 You were right.

01:16:45.860 Following the on-air revolt.

01:16:48.240 I mean, not a shock, right?

01:16:49.780 It's just, of course, they have no courage.

01:16:52.280 They have no spines over there.

01:16:54.480 And once again, nothing has changed in the week she's been on the air.

01:16:59.540 She didn't go on the air and say something controversial.

01:17:02.160 Everything that has been used against her was out there.

01:17:07.620 And I guess just they didn't ask Chuck Todd to weigh in prior to hiring her, right?

01:17:15.000 Chuck Todd took Ronna McDaniel's scalp along with his brethren over at MSNBC,

01:17:21.180 which would never put an election denier on its air, not named Stacey Abrams or Hillary Rodham Clinton

01:17:29.020 or Hakeem Jeffries or Adam Schiff or that principles.

01:17:35.200 All right.

01:17:35.700 Stand by.

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01:18:37.280 Okay, ladies. 1.00

01:18:43.300 So let's get into what happened on 60 Minutes on Sunday night because they decided to take

01:18:48.440 a deep dive into the dangers of social media and in particular to any pushback against the

01:18:58.420 beloved fact checkers.

01:19:00.620 Who are these people?

01:19:02.160 I don't know.

01:19:02.720 They're in these like think tanks out in Silicon Valley and they've decided to tell us what's

01:19:07.860 right and what's wrong and we are supposed to listen to them.

01:19:11.640 And if we or Elon Musk do not listen to them, we're all doing the wrong thing because somebody

01:19:18.680 died and made them ultimate arbiters of truth. 0.68

01:19:21.620 So here's just to set it up.

01:19:24.720 Leslie Stahl talking about how awful social media is on Sunday, 12th.

01:19:30.380 It's at 12th.

01:19:31.800 Confronted with criticisms and because of cost cutting, platforms began downsizing their fact

01:19:38.420 checking teams.

01:19:39.960 So today, social media is teeming with misinformation.

01:19:43.900 After Elon Musk took over in 2022, most of its fact checkers were fired. 0.95

01:19:51.220 Now the site is rife with trash talk and lies.

01:19:55.660 Little would you know that this, said to be footage from Gaza, is really from a video game.

01:20:03.400 Eventually, ex-users added a warning label. 0.70

01:20:06.840 Now the site posts Elon is rife with trash talk. 0.94

01:20:12.360 Why does she care about trash talk, first of all? 1.00

01:20:14.880 And lies, unlike before Elon, when you could go out there and say COVID started in a wet

01:20:22.200 market because of animals and the vaccine will prevent the spread of COVID.

01:20:28.160 You could say those things pre-Elon when we weren't allowing the lies on Twitter.

01:20:34.060 It's weird how she doesn't actually go into that.

01:20:37.300 What lies exactly?

01:20:38.760 Like what?

01:20:39.680 Let's get into it.

01:20:40.920 Just the whole notion that there's a group of fact checkers at Twitter or any place else

01:20:45.240 who get to tell us what's right and what's wrong.

01:20:47.760 I love what Elon did with the community note.

01:20:50.220 The community notes are now my favorite part of Twitter.

01:20:52.860 If somebody goes too far afield, they get a community note.

01:20:55.620 People weigh in.

01:20:56.840 It's super fun.

01:20:57.820 You can see how wrong somebody is.

01:20:59.800 But there's not some elite group of like four people, all of whom went to some elitist

01:21:04.560 university and hate the right half of the country, Emily, telling us what's right and 1.00

01:21:08.660 wrong anymore.

01:21:10.160 Yes, but that's what's very scary because Leslie Stahl has lost her power as a gatekeeper. 1.00

01:21:15.120 And so what they have is this pretense.

01:21:17.960 For some people, it's legitimate.

01:21:19.380 They really actually believe that the information they disagree with is A, categorically wrong

01:21:24.980 and then B, dangerous.

01:21:26.540 For others, it's a political weapon.

01:21:29.240 I think people like Leslie Stahl are true believers.

01:21:31.720 Like they've actually never heard the alternate arguments.

01:21:34.340 And so they're just completely in the dark.

01:21:37.460 I say that as my light went out.

01:21:38.920 And it's kind of a pun if you're watching this.

01:21:41.820 But Leslie Stahl, she's lost her power as the gatekeeper of information. 1.00

01:21:47.360 And which, by the way, it's just stupid because what people post on social media, 0.95

01:21:50.960 they used to talk about at bars, like this is also what's much worse about social media 0.97

01:21:55.380 than the disinformation is that it has us all addicted to screens and phones in ways

01:21:59.460 we used to be talking at bars and on the sidelines of our kids' soccer games or whatever else,

01:22:04.200 sharing plenty of disinformation.

01:22:06.420 Like I know it was a long time ago, but there are all kinds of people saying completely false

01:22:10.780 things in person, still are.

01:22:13.220 And now we're getting to a place where the Leslie Stahls of the world are going to want 1.00

01:22:16.260 to prevent that from happening too.

01:22:17.820 By the way, that same edition of 60 Minutes, they interviewed AMLO, the president of Mexico,

01:22:21.920 who constantly spews disinformation.

01:22:24.460 So should CBS, should 60 Minutes be censored for interviewing AMLO because he's an agent

01:22:31.680 of disinformation?

01:22:32.800 I mean, they would never apply the same standards to themselves when it's COVID or Russia collusion,

01:22:37.340 any of those things.

01:22:38.160 They just want to use it as a blunt weapon against the people they disagree with.

01:22:42.880 Eliana, take a listen to university professor. 1.00

01:22:45.800 She's from the University of Washington, Kate Starbird, being questioned by Leslie Stahl

01:22:50.140 about how chilling it is for them to be questioned about their work.

01:22:55.580 Like they do not want to be chilled in their fact-checking of us, and she's really had enough

01:23:01.420 of it.

01:23:01.980 Watch.

01:23:03.500 Are researchers being chilled?

01:23:05.900 Absolutely.

01:23:06.760 This campaign against you is meant to discredit you.

01:23:11.000 So we won't believe you.

01:23:12.700 Absolutely.

01:23:13.100 It's interesting that the people that pushed voter fraud lies are some of the same people

01:23:17.680 that are trying to discredit researchers that are trying to understand the problem.

01:23:21.740 Did your research find that there was more misinformation spread by conservatives?

01:23:29.060 Absolutely.

01:23:29.760 I think not just our research, research across the board looking at the 2020 election found

01:23:35.260 that there was more misinformation spread by people that were supporters of Donald Trump

01:23:40.720 or conservatives.

01:23:41.420 And the events of January 6th kind of underscore this.

01:23:46.900 It's amazing.

01:23:48.700 Like, you know, part of me appreciates 60 Minutes just leaning right into its bias over the past

01:23:53.660 few months.

01:23:54.600 Like, just show it.

01:23:55.440 Let it fly.

01:23:56.380 We all know it's there.

01:23:57.280 But like, normally they try to hide it a bit, Eliana.

01:23:59.880 No, it's how about the conservatives?

01:24:01.940 They're the worst, aren't they?

01:24:03.060 Yes, they're even worse than you think, says the lady at a central casting from the James

01:24:07.480 Carville quote.

01:24:08.660 She's the one that he's talking about, Eliana.

01:24:12.080 The New York Times had a story about a week ago that was exactly the same as this.

01:24:17.000 The headline was something along the lines of how Donald Trump and his allies are winning

01:24:21.100 the war against disinformation.

01:24:22.460 And nowhere along the line in that piece or in this piece, is there any nod to how the fact

01:24:32.680 checkers and the arbiters of misinformation or, you know, whatever these people are, have

01:24:38.680 completely discredited themselves by trying to stamp out things that are true, whether it's

01:24:46.040 the New York Post story on Hunter Biden's laptop or the notion that COVID began from a lab leak

01:24:54.140 or any number of other things.

01:24:56.400 These people have utterly discredited themselves.

01:24:59.040 And when she talks about people are trying to silence us, it is a taste of their own medicine.

01:25:07.200 And the other thing that's galling is none of these people entertain the idea that perhaps

01:25:13.360 misinformation should be allowed.

01:25:17.560 Perhaps people should be able to say things that are wrong.

01:25:21.120 And perhaps the American people should be allowed to decide between things that are wrong and things

01:25:26.520 that are right and come to their own conclusions.

01:25:29.500 Perhaps this is the way we've existed for a long time without professors of disinformation,

01:25:36.500 you know, at University of Washington helping us along. 0.96

01:25:40.040 It's just so, so ridiculous. 0.97

01:25:43.680 Do you want that woman deciding what you can and cannot see? 1.00

01:25:47.280 I'm sorry, it's a no.

01:25:48.760 No, no.

01:25:49.140 And the track record is not good.

01:25:51.140 It's funny because actually Barb McQuaid and another host on NPR, Barb McQuaid is like on

01:25:55.920 MSNBC, but she was talking about her new book on NPR last week to James Carville's point

01:26:00.920 about how NPR has these like lecturing women on it constantly talking about how the First

01:26:06.440 Amendment is not absolute.

01:26:08.680 And by the way, these are two people who work in media, one of whom is an actual journalist

01:26:12.280 talking about how the First Amendment is not absolute.

01:26:15.300 You've never had the right to spread disinformation.

01:26:17.960 Real information is dangerous.

01:26:19.700 And people like Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberg are very wise.

01:26:22.140 They're just all cranks when they talk.

01:26:24.880 They're just all Trump-addled MAGA cranks when they talk about even the New York Times

01:26:30.200 being censored by the government at one point during the 2020 election.

01:26:33.720 I mean, it's outrageous.

01:26:35.140 It's an outrage to the industry.

01:26:36.640 It's an outrage to journalism.

01:26:39.300 Speaking of Michael Schellenberger, he's done a great job of exposing this WPATH story and

01:26:45.300 what's happened with these so-called experts on the trans, the transing of American children.

01:26:50.720 They purport to be these experts, but then they were caught on camera admitting they don't

01:26:54.800 know anything.

01:26:55.640 They can't get informed consent from children.

01:26:58.460 And that brings me into the trans lane for this Planet Fitness story that lives with TikTok 0.95

01:27:02.480 has been covering, that I believe broke.

01:27:04.960 And this craziness amongst this very popular national gym chain.

01:27:11.440 And this happened in Alaska, which is not exactly like Vermont, you know, or the Upper West Side

01:27:19.820 of New York.

01:27:20.540 Alaska?

01:27:21.380 I'm shocked.

01:27:23.100 But a woman named Patricia Silva took a photo of a trans person in there as a guy pretending

01:27:29.660 to be a gal, shaving his face. 0.87

01:27:32.540 That was our first clue in the ladies locker room where Patricia said a young girl who looked 1.00

01:27:40.140 to be about 12 was present.

01:27:42.120 She shared the Facebook, the photo on Facebook and made a video.

01:27:46.160 We have just a little bit from what she posted in SOT 25.

01:27:50.640 I came in Monday.

01:27:52.160 There's a man in the women's locker room shaving a little girl sitting in the corner.

01:27:58.360 She could have been 12 years old.

01:28:00.300 I don't know how old she was, in a towel, kind of freaked out that there's a man shaving

01:28:05.800 in her locker room.

01:28:07.020 Well, I was offended.

01:28:08.200 I took a picture of him and I asked him, why are you there? 1.00

01:28:11.140 You're a man with a penis. 1.00

01:28:12.640 Why are you in the women's locker room? 1.00

01:28:15.240 And he justified by saying, I'm queer LGB.

01:28:19.360 And I said, you shouldn't be in the women's locker room. 1.00

01:28:23.220 Planet Fitness is defending the man in the women's locker room, the man with the penis, 0.99

01:28:28.680 rather than the child sitting in the corner with the towel wrapped around her. 0.99

01:28:33.860 Hmm.

01:28:34.720 That is so disturbing, Emily.

01:28:36.860 And now Planet Fitness, we'll get to it, but they're denying that it even happened.

01:28:42.600 The libs of TikTok called them to see, you know, what the story was.

01:28:46.960 And the employee said, nope, it's not Planet Fitness.

01:28:51.060 It wasn't.

01:28:51.500 That's a lie.

01:28:52.360 It was.

01:28:53.280 So what do you make of it?

01:28:53.920 I mean, it's just, this is how most people with common sense would react to exactly that

01:28:59.680 situation.

01:29:00.200 And what I find very interesting about this particular story is that it's such a clear

01:29:05.540 glimpse at what the stakes are and what the reality is, which is that, again, in Alaska,

01:29:10.760 you know, this is not Williamsburg.

01:29:12.440 This is Alaska.

01:29:14.180 In Alaska, you have a potentially 12-year-old girl in a towel in a locker room at a Planet

01:29:19.600 Fitness, which, by the way, is a perfectly safe space for her.

01:29:22.600 It should be a perfectly physically, psychologically safe space for a teenage girl who's trying

01:29:28.100 to get healthy, but instead has to be nervous because there's a grown man shaving, potentially

01:29:34.700 also in a towel.

01:29:35.880 And that's, again, with this case study, the fact that the reality of it is so clear.

01:29:41.640 One, that woman is like the voice of the people. 0.91

01:29:44.240 Like, that is how average people are going to react to situations like this.

01:29:47.220 It is going to be increasingly affiliated with the Democratic Party.

01:29:50.080 Voters are going to have that right in their mind, to return to James Carville's point.

01:29:53.540 But also, it's just the reality is so much worse than the defenders of these policies,

01:29:59.840 including, it seems like Planet Fitness are willing to admit.

01:30:03.340 It's not just an occasional, you know, very kind and decent and gentle person, you know,

01:30:11.660 nervously walking and going in a stall, doing their business.

01:30:14.820 It's, you know, men and women mingling together where potentially there are women who have

01:30:19.740 survived domestic abuse.

01:30:22.000 There are teenagers.

01:30:23.840 Women are in really vulnerable positions. 1.00

01:30:25.760 And actual men with varying motivations and, you know, whatever they may be, varying motivations

01:30:33.200 are in very, very close proximity to them in this very vulnerable position where there

01:30:37.720 are no security cameras, security.

01:30:40.080 This is the reality.

01:30:41.380 So good for this woman.

01:30:42.440 I have to say, you're right about all the vulnerable women.

01:30:47.780 We have a picture of the guy, thanks to the one that Patricia Selva took.

01:30:52.820 Look at him.

01:30:53.760 Look at him.

01:30:54.160 It's an obvious man.

01:30:55.180 He's not even trying to look like a woman.

01:30:56.820 But I was going to say, irrespective of vulnerability, I don't want this.

01:31:01.460 I don't want to see him when I'm in there taking off my clothes so I can go work out.

01:31:07.200 I don't want him to see me.

01:31:08.860 And I have no vulnerabilities.

01:31:10.680 I really don't.

01:31:11.420 So F this guy and F Planet Fitness, which has revoked Patricia Selva's membership because

01:31:19.220 she took a photo.

01:31:20.880 She wasn't allowed.

01:31:21.560 So her documentation of this abomination is the problem, not their policy allowing it in

01:31:27.840 the first place.

01:31:28.520 Eliana, who among us wants to walk in to work out and change our clothes or have our daughters 1.00

01:31:34.120 do that at the age of 12 and have to look at some man shaving his whiskers?

01:31:39.400 Well, if it were me, I would be canceling my membership.

01:31:44.980 And I have a feeling that to the extent Planet Fitness doesn't reverse course here and do

01:31:51.080 a 180 really quick, it will go the way of Bud Light pretty quickly.

01:31:56.480 We're seeing there's a real market revolt against these kind of policies.

01:32:02.000 Wait, wait, can I just tell you that their stock has reportedly dropped 400 million in

01:32:08.320 five days from when this story broke?

01:32:12.980 Which I think also means investors are aware of what Eliana is saying, like they don't have

01:32:17.460 faith in Planet Fitness to reverse course and they see a potential Bud Light situation on

01:32:21.640 the horizon.

01:32:22.040 And let's make them Bud Light.

01:32:24.960 Good.

01:32:25.160 I hope we do.

01:32:25.740 Go ahead, Eliana.

01:32:27.520 I just think the average gym goer doesn't like this kind of thing.

01:32:31.820 The market will respond and will solve for it to the extent the company doesn't.

01:32:38.340 Five days is already too long.

01:32:40.020 Like it needs to be immediate.

01:32:42.680 They better fall on their sword and they better do it immediately.

01:32:45.920 Get this guy out of there.

01:32:47.000 There's a men's room for a reason. 0.99

01:32:49.580 Okay.

01:32:50.140 Last but not least, I want to get to this super quick.

01:32:52.040 Did you see the news about Diddy?

01:32:54.900 Puff Daddy?

01:32:56.540 Sean Combs?

01:32:57.960 Department of Homeland Security executing law enforcement actions, a raid on his homes

01:33:06.180 in Miami, Florida and Los Angeles, California, per NBC reporting.

01:33:10.880 He is a subject of the investigation.

01:33:14.020 Three women and a man have been interviewed by federal officials in Manhattan in relation

01:33:17.280 to allegations of sex trafficking, sexual assault, and the solicitation and distribution of illegal

01:33:23.760 narcotics and firearms, said the source.

01:33:26.980 Other interviews are scheduled.

01:33:28.980 They've seized phones from his homes before he was scheduled to depart on a trip to the Bahamas.

01:33:33.840 He was questioned while at the airport by law enforcement.

01:33:38.320 Two of his sons were seen in cuffs outside of the L.A. home.

01:33:42.560 It is understood they were not under arrest but were being detained outside as agents searched the property.

01:33:47.400 We do not think he is under arrest yet, but it's almost certainly coming.

01:33:53.300 And this comes on the heels of a lot of reporting about multiple deeply disturbing allegations against this guy.

01:34:02.200 The Daily Mail, Maureen Callahan, our friend, has been all over it. 0.99

01:34:05.420 And my own personal opinion is this guy's a scumbag and it's finally caught up with him. 0.98

01:34:10.980 And I will not shed one tear if and when the cops show up to arrest him. 0.99

01:34:15.340 Emily, what do you think?

01:34:16.360 Yeah, I think we could be on the cusp of seeing Weinstein-style allegations because Diddy is not just an artistic presence.

01:34:22.780 He's a huge, like a towering business presence in the music industry and has been for a really long time.

01:34:28.540 And so waiting to see what the scope of the allegations are, I agree with you, Megan. 1.00

01:34:31.860 I think these are scumbag. 1.00

01:34:34.020 The evidence that he is absolutely a scumbag is already pretty overwhelming. 1.00

01:34:38.300 But I think this could be the tip of the iceberg in terms of the Diddy story that we could be learning a lot that's endemic in the industry 0.98

01:34:44.700 in a sort of way that harkens back to the early days of Me Too.

01:34:49.000 And unlike, I don't know, certain other figures in the music business or celebrities who speak out,

01:34:55.480 you mentioned Aaron Rodgers shortly ago, Eliana, this isn't about politics with this guy.

01:35:00.220 This guy, he's had multiple allegations against him.

01:35:04.040 He's not political.

01:35:06.320 My instincts tell me as somebody who's covered legal cases for a long time,

01:35:09.800 they're investigating him because they have very good reason to.

01:35:13.300 The feds don't show up at multiple properties after you've been accused by multiple women of rape,

01:35:20.540 abuse, physical torture for no reason.

01:35:25.680 My understanding as well from reading this, and correct me if I'm wrong,

01:35:29.060 is that these allegations come from both men and women,

01:35:31.860 that the allegations of sexual abuse and sex trafficking were coming from both genders

01:35:39.760 and were vivid and horrifying based on my reading of the stories this morning.

01:35:45.100 So good riddance if he is arrested.

01:35:49.220 Though I will say I've not been following this extremely closely.

01:35:52.260 Just prepping for the show, Megan.

01:35:54.680 Yeah, no, it's, well, we cover the landscape, as you know,

01:35:57.120 but you always do a great job, prepared or caught on the fly.

01:36:01.160 We'll see.

01:36:01.820 I don't want to condemn him.

01:36:03.440 I don't want to convict him before we have even an arrest in the case.

01:36:07.900 But I've seen enough from the earlier reporting and accusations against him

01:36:11.280 to believe this is not a good man.

01:36:14.040 He denies the charges.

01:36:15.020 I should say that as the earlier allegations had come out.

01:36:17.700 He said, enough is enough.

01:36:19.820 The last couple of weeks I've sat silently and watched people try to assassinate my reputation.

01:36:24.000 These are sickening allegations and denied doing any of the awful things alleged.

01:36:29.800 Ladies, thank you to be continued.

01:36:31.760 Thank you very much.

01:36:32.700 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:36:37.500 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 26, 2024

MSNBC's Hypocritical Ronna Meltdown, and ＂Preachy Females＂ In Dem Party, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 750

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