The Megyn Kelly Show - MTG Quits, Markle's False Narrative, and Woke Remnants, with Maureen Callahan, Jillian Michaels, and The Fifth Column

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00:00:25.960 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:40.300 It's so good to see you.

00:00:43.640 Gosh, this is a great crowd. Thank you so much for turning out.

00:00:47.920 It means so much to me.

00:00:50.100 And I know this is basically winter weather for you Californians, so it took a lot.

00:00:54.540 It took a lot to get you out of your houses, I'm sure.

00:00:58.180 You know, I was just saying to my team backstage, this is the ninth of ten appearances that we're doing.

00:01:03.060 So the tour is wrapping up.

00:01:04.880 I'm with you on the second to last night of the tour.

00:01:08.640 And it has been life-changing for me.

00:01:12.080 I am so glad that we did this.

00:01:14.820 I think it would be life-changing just to do what you're doing right now

00:01:18.260 and sit in the audience and be in a sea of reasonable right-wingers.

00:01:24.940 I mean, especially in California.

00:01:28.600 But to be on my end of it and, like, to be able to get to see all of you, you know?

00:01:32.200 Like, in a way, the relationship, it's real, but it's kind of one-sided sometimes

00:01:35.400 because you get to see me, but I don't get to see you.

00:01:37.900 You get to hear about my weirdnesses in my life, but I don't get to hear about yours.

00:01:40.800 And I get just a taste of it backstage when we do the VIP meet-and-greets.

00:01:45.480 But, like, when we're going to do the Q&A, I'll get to talk to people who didn't get to the meet-and-greet.

00:01:49.760 And when I see you out there, like, now I see your face, and I'll think of you when I do the next broadcast.

00:01:54.280 And that's what's been happening for me.

00:01:56.220 And it just makes me happier and better and more connected to you, and so I'm really grateful.

00:02:00.260 You could be doing any number of things tonight.

00:02:01.960 You had to buy a ticket, you had to wait outside, you had to do the magnetometer, all this stuff.

00:02:06.420 And let's face it, there's always, like, an element now of is it safe?

00:02:10.640 And it is safe.

00:02:11.920 And thank God, thanks to this crack security team, we are safe.

00:02:15.180 So I'm so grateful.

00:02:17.500 I'm also sorry that you live in the People's Republic of California and have to deal with the unfortunate politicians that come with your immensely beautiful state.

00:02:27.940 And everyone knows California is, if not the most beautiful, at least one of the top three in the country.

00:02:33.200 That's why you put up with all the nonsense, right?

00:02:36.240 Yeah.

00:02:36.720 My own personal plan with my children is to just never let them come here, because we cannot have them living on the West Coast.

00:02:44.440 We love them too much.

00:02:45.320 So we just say terrible things about California and hope they believe it.

00:02:49.240 You know, like, the people are weird.

00:02:50.420 You don't want to go there.

00:02:52.360 They don't have a change of seasons.

00:02:55.900 Whatever it takes.

00:02:57.860 But whenever I come out here, I am reminded of, you know, the reasons to live here.

00:03:01.920 And it's not the politicians, but it is the people.

00:03:04.700 One of the things we've noticed just in our two stops here so far is how great the law enforcement has been.

00:03:10.180 Seriously.

00:03:12.780 Taking great care of us.

00:03:14.780 And they too are good looking.

00:03:16.400 It's amazing.

00:03:17.840 Do they let ugly people into the state of California?

00:03:20.000 And I've been thinking about them in the past couple of days because of this ridiculous stunt that these Democrat lawmakers pulled on the warnings that you're not supposed to follow illegal orders.

00:03:34.060 Right?

00:03:35.500 You saw this, right?

00:03:36.580 With the most annoying U.S. senator we have.

00:03:39.220 And that's saying something.

00:03:40.080 This Alyssa Slotkin of Michigan.

00:03:42.440 You saw the cross-examination she did of Pete, right?

00:03:46.500 I know, I know, you've done your genuflection.

00:03:49.900 I know.

00:03:50.540 I believe you care about the troops.

00:03:52.220 This is how she cross-examined Pete Hexeth, who's been deployed three times.

00:03:55.400 Okay, sure.

00:03:56.280 He really needs you to pat him on the head and reaffirm his commitment to the troops.

00:03:59.800 Who does she think she is?

00:04:01.500 So now she gets in there after doing desk jobs in the CIA, and she wants to tell our soldiers that they can disobey the orders of our commander-in-chief.

00:04:11.780 And you knew it.

00:04:12.760 Even if you didn't know it, know it.

00:04:14.080 You knew that this was wrong.

00:04:15.320 You knew that this was dangerous, right, for her and these other lawmakers to try to lecture our troops and insert themselves in the relationship between them and their commander-in-chief.

00:04:24.520 Like, what are you doing?

00:04:25.200 Who would even think about messing with that?

00:04:27.660 But I didn't know it, know it, like, on a gut level until I heard my friend Carl Higby, who is at Newsmax and served our country honorably.

00:04:36.020 He's a Navy SEAL.

00:04:37.100 Don't mess with Carl.

00:04:39.500 Talk about this on his show.

00:04:42.060 Take a look at the soundbite.

00:04:43.120 This is the story of how stupid political clickbait videos like Slotkin's have real consequences.

00:04:49.920 You remember this guy from the movie American Sniper?

00:04:52.560 This guy right here that was going around drilling holes in children's faces?

00:04:57.560 In 2009, my platoon caught that guy in real life, the butcher of Fallujah.

00:05:03.280 He was also the man responsible for hanging four American contractors, one of which was a SEAL brother of mine whose body was lit on fire, dangling from a bridge by his neck.

00:05:12.200 My team caught that guy, and when we brought him back, the same people who sent us on that mission, they turned around and court-martialed us for abusing him in custody, which we clearly did not do.

00:05:24.120 Which was proven by our full acquittals almost immediately in a courtroom, all because politicians wanted to have the talking point that they stood with the Iraqi people over their own soldiers.

00:05:34.440 And the generals, whose promotions need to be approved by the Senate, people by Mark Kelly and Alyssa Slotkin, they bent the knee and they sacrificed me and my team at the altar of their political correctness.

00:05:48.020 And you know what it did?

00:05:49.580 It made every soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan second-guess everything.

00:05:55.060 Stuff like this gets people killed.

00:05:56.680 It creates stupid rules of engagement, some of which killed my friends, personally, because they want to play political grandstand games with no intention of ever backing the soldier up when he does the bidding that they subtly encouraged.

00:06:12.500 This is why people hate politicians.

00:06:15.920 They pop off like there's some moral authority without listing a single specific thing that Trump has done illegally.

00:06:23.000 So good, right?

00:06:24.100 Not only is it offensive, it's downright dangerous.

00:06:29.320 And then adding fuel to the fire and insult to injury, when Trump sends out, this is treasonous.

00:06:35.660 This is treason, the punishment of which is death.

00:06:41.500 What do they do?

00:06:42.740 Oh, poor me.

00:06:44.200 I'm the victim Trump's meme.

00:06:46.580 That's actually been their next move, to call out Trump's rhetoric.

00:06:50.680 Trump's rhetoric is not the problem here.

00:06:52.420 However, your rhetoric was, Alyssa, take responsibility and butt your fat ass out of the relationship between Donald Trump, the commander-in-chief, and our troops.

00:07:05.680 Okay.

00:07:07.340 Let's take some Q&A with you guys.

00:07:09.620 Enough about me and her.

00:07:11.260 He's going to line them up over here, and we'll get in as many as we can.

00:07:15.840 Keep them tight if you can, so I can get to as many as possible, and then we'll bring out our friends.

00:07:21.780 Hi, Megan.

00:07:22.660 Hi.

00:07:24.020 I'm a normal Californian.

00:07:28.080 I assumed.

00:07:29.080 Yes.

00:07:29.380 And my question is, how do we take California back?

00:07:35.380 I mean, it's, you know.

00:07:37.520 Okay, I got two words for you.

00:07:39.780 Steve Hilton.

00:07:43.840 You've got to elect some normie people.

00:07:47.900 You've got to convince your neighbors.

00:07:50.100 You know, I don't, like, if the Palisades fire, like, if that stuff doesn't convince people that Democrat governance doesn't work, how are we going to get them?

00:07:57.800 I don't know.

00:07:58.900 I wish I knew, but you do need people like Steve, who, he's utterly electable.

00:08:04.020 He's so charming.

00:08:05.040 He's nice.

00:08:05.640 He cares.

00:08:06.140 He can talk the talk.

00:08:07.460 He is a right winger, but he's not, like, a far right winger, so, you know, that's what you need here.

00:08:12.300 I think he's got a shot.

00:08:13.280 Last poll I saw, he was one up.

00:08:15.540 He was leading.

00:08:17.260 So you've got to mobilize, though.

00:08:18.800 Only you're going to be able to do it by getting other people to vote and getting your friends to vote and getting the kids off the sofa and all that.

00:08:23.480 Thank you.

00:08:24.580 Yeah.

00:08:26.880 Hi, Megan.

00:08:27.600 Scott Sprague.

00:08:28.340 Love you.

00:08:29.040 Listen to you every day.

00:08:30.500 Thank you.

00:08:30.840 You're awesome.

00:08:31.580 So I just have to say, Marjorie Taylor Greene, gone in January?

00:08:36.860 What's the deal with that?

00:08:37.560 Do you know anything about that?

00:08:38.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:39.380 Not to punt on this, but we're going to talk about that with the fifth column, so I'll save my response for when they come out.

00:08:45.180 But that's our first order of business.

00:08:46.600 You guys heard the news about MTG?

00:08:48.560 She's resigning as of January.

00:08:50.680 It's unbelievable.

00:08:51.960 I was stunned.

00:08:53.260 Sorry.

00:08:53.660 Go ahead.

00:08:54.300 Hi.

00:08:54.800 Hi, Megan.

00:08:55.560 Nice to meet you in person.

00:08:56.940 Nice to meet you, too.

00:08:59.380 I'm Xavier DeRusso from PragerU.

00:09:02.180 You got a big fan club here.

00:09:05.060 Aw.

00:09:05.860 Uh-huh.

00:09:06.200 So the last piece of advice that our friend Charlie Kirk gave to me was to become unapologetically outspoken about the threat of radical Islam taking over the West.

00:09:18.020 Yes.

00:09:18.760 So my question is, after they spent nearly $7 billion corrupting our educational institutions, a quarter billion dollars lobbying Congress, and trying to buy out almost every major media outlet and personality, myself included, why are we not as outspoken about Qatar as people are about Israel?

00:09:42.000 Yeah, I mean, the threat of radical Islam is real.

00:09:46.620 And even, like, regular Islam, to the extent it's taking over our cities.

00:09:52.760 And that's just a matter of how we want to live culturally here in America.

00:09:57.140 And I think Charlie was a great example of somebody who is willing to speak out on the hard truths of how Islam is not consistent with the fundamental values of the West.

00:10:05.020 And we should not be rooting for people who are Muslim to take over as our mayors and our governors and our presidents and so on.

00:10:12.540 It's nothing against our friends who are Muslim.

00:10:15.620 You can love your friends who are Muslim.

00:10:17.760 You can support them and their ability to worship the way they want to.

00:10:20.700 But it doesn't mean you want more and more people who are Islamic taking over as the governors and the mayors and the legislators here in America because their religion is more than a religion.

00:10:31.200 It is a political doctrine.

00:10:32.640 And it is one that is totally, wholly inconsistent with the fundamental values of the West, like free speech, like women's equality and women's rights, and the separation of church and state, which we believe in pretty strongly here.

00:10:44.280 We definitely don't want it to be less separated when you're looking at the tenets of Islam and you're thinking about things like genital mutilation of little girls.

00:10:51.880 It's a no.

00:10:54.040 So he told you the right thing, Xavier.

00:10:55.800 We got to talk about it.

00:10:57.240 We got to be fearless in talking about it.

00:10:59.680 Love you.

00:11:00.440 Thank you for the question.

00:11:01.500 Thanks for being here.

00:11:03.440 Hi, Megan.

00:11:03.900 Nice to meet you.

00:11:04.680 Hi.

00:11:05.000 I'm a really big fan of your show.

00:11:06.800 Thank you.

00:11:07.160 So one of my questions is we have a lot of lobbying firms, and that's okay.

00:11:11.240 But with foreign country lobbying, should AIPAC be registered as a foreign agent act?

00:11:18.040 I think it should.

00:11:19.660 I really think AIPAC should register under the FARA, Foreign Agent Registration Act, and not just AIPAC, though.

00:11:27.300 I mean, there are a lot of foreign countries that are trying to get into America and lobby our lawmakers and push our American agenda to serve their foreign interests, which, great, that's fine.

00:11:36.840 They can do that if they want, but they should all be registered.

00:11:39.160 Why should we have to wonder who they're loyal to?

00:11:41.240 It should all be there, black and white, for everybody to perfectly understand, okay, you're here really on the behalf of Israel, not really on the behalf of America, or Qatar, or Saudis, or whomever.

00:11:52.840 I'd much rather know.

00:11:53.840 I want way more transparency on all of this.

00:11:55.920 So thank you for the question.

00:12:00.220 Hi.

00:12:00.880 Hi.

00:12:01.060 I'm Emily, host of Emily Saves America.

00:12:03.960 Hi.

00:12:04.540 Hi.

00:12:05.000 Nice.

00:12:05.460 Question.

00:12:08.020 With all, I thought after Charlie, we would all come together a bit more.

00:12:11.940 With all the fighting going on, on the right specifically, I tend to be in the middle of a lot of controversies on the right.

00:12:18.940 What would your advice be to put that aside, to focus on coming together and winning elections, which is what we need to do?

00:12:26.240 Thank you, Emily.

00:12:27.160 Yes.

00:12:28.040 Shoot it into my veins.

00:12:29.660 I'm with you.

00:12:31.040 Aren't you bummed out about all the fighting on the right wing right now?

00:12:34.440 Right?

00:12:34.760 Doesn't it just kind of make you feel sick?

00:12:37.140 I feel like the feeling, like when you have an argument with a friend, and it's not somebody who you want to discard, it's somebody who you actually want to patch it up with, but you're too mad at each other.

00:12:46.600 I have that feeling right now, a lot.

00:12:48.900 I just feel like I hate the right wing infighting.

00:12:50.880 I will say, like most of it, not all of it, but a lot of it right now is around the Israel issue, and I have dear, dear friends, as you know, on both sides of this.

00:13:01.840 And I really think the best thing for Israel and for us is the fact that Trump managed to help wrap up this war.

00:13:08.060 Thankfully, it's looking like it's holding.

00:13:09.880 And once Israel is off the front pages and at the apex of our foreign policy concerns, I think we're going to get back to normal.

00:13:17.600 I think things are going to settle.

00:13:19.060 I think our American Jewish friends are going to feel less like they're at the pointy end of the spear, like people are constantly talking about them and now saying more and more negative things about Israel.

00:13:28.200 And I think most people who are America first and are over the Israel thing, once their anger settles over this whole thing, they will quickly move on from talking about Israel all the time.

00:13:38.580 And I think that will help.

00:13:39.940 Thank you for the question.

00:13:43.580 Hi.

00:13:44.480 Hi.

00:13:45.100 Thank you so much for being out here.

00:13:46.680 California, I always tell people, it's the greatest, the most beautiful state on the nation, or in the nation.

00:13:52.620 It's been ruined by our politics.

00:13:54.080 Thank you so much for coming out here.

00:13:55.320 I promise, we're still out here.

00:13:57.780 We're still out here.

00:13:59.140 We're not mad.

00:13:59.820 Please, the rest of the GMP.

00:14:00.780 And you're not alone.

00:14:01.700 Please, and I'm asking, please, if you're a Republican Party, please don't forget about us Republicans in California.

00:14:07.640 Thank you for that.

00:14:08.780 Because we're still a powerful voting base.

00:14:09.500 We won't.

00:14:10.320 This is not just another liberal state.

00:14:12.180 I promise.

00:14:12.620 We're still out here.

00:14:13.480 So I have a question for you today.

00:14:14.740 I promise I'm not trying to get you in trouble.

00:14:16.620 I'm curious if you have any thoughts or any concerns about the Peter Thiel network, companies like Anderil, Palantir, like mass surveillance, AI-driven companies, autonomous police capabilities.

00:14:27.600 I know that's something of a hot topic, at least with maybe more of the dissident, right?

00:14:30.700 And I was wondering if you had any thoughts about that.

00:14:32.080 I definitely have concerns about mass surveillance and what's happening.

00:14:36.120 And I also have concerns about companies like OpenAI and what's happening with AI and, you know, the nonstop spying on us and eating of our data and then regurgitation of it to force 16-year-olds to take their own lives.

00:14:49.220 I mean, it's really gotten out of hand.

00:14:51.520 And the mass surveillance has gotten out of hand, too.

00:14:53.280 I mean, they're stealing our data every day.

00:14:54.900 You just walk around with that rectangle in your pocket and they know pretty much everything you've done.

00:14:59.700 It's really disconcerting.

00:15:00.740 And that's why I'm super thrilled to see, like, the advent of more secure phones.

00:15:06.180 We advertise for the UpPhone, which is, that's an Eric Prince phone.

00:15:10.820 And, like, you know, Eric Prince ran Blackwater.

00:15:12.520 This guy could, like, get in and out of Fallujah safely.

00:15:15.000 He can get a phone that they cannot hack.

00:15:17.400 So I'm very much in favor of, like, these alternatives that are rising up because you should not trust your government.

00:15:22.280 You should not trust big tech.

00:15:24.400 And you should take whatever steps you can to protect yourself and your data.

00:15:27.220 Thank you.

00:15:30.200 Hi, Megan.

00:15:31.060 Hi.

00:15:31.200 My name is Allison, and I feel like California is worth saving.

00:15:35.440 And with seeing you here and everyone here, it probably will be, I guess.

00:15:39.200 You guys are ground zero.

00:15:40.360 Yeah.

00:15:41.120 Anyway, I just want to say, people that are here in your audience, they're probably diving into independent media

00:15:46.620 and hearing versions of stories we've been told for decades that are probably different than what we've been told.

00:15:51.780 And I'm just curious because your audience trusts you.

00:15:54.960 You guys do your homework.

00:15:56.300 You don't put anything out unless you've vetted it.

00:15:59.100 So do you have interest in looking into certain things, 9-11 or Oklahoma City or, you know, Charlie Kirk's murder?

00:16:06.160 Or do you, how do you decide what to look into?

00:16:08.800 And do you have interest in that?

00:16:10.600 It's actually a very good question.

00:16:12.760 I think you can safely assume that if I don't put it on my show, I'm not buying it.

00:16:17.620 I put on the show what I can verify and what I know.

00:16:21.500 You know, my sort of unofficial tagline is relentlessly factual.

00:16:25.500 And if I can't take it to the bank in a place where I'm not going to embarrass you, I don't put it on the show.

00:16:32.060 So it's not to say I don't believe anything that's out there.

00:16:34.860 You know, it's like some of the conspiracies that I didn't buy turned out to be true, you know.

00:16:40.300 So it's not that I always have the right place on that.

00:16:43.920 It's just my approach as a recovering lawyer is always just to keep it completely within balance.

00:16:49.160 Because my worst nightmare is that you guys get embarrassed by something you heard on my show.

00:16:53.740 And then you go repeat it to somebody and it's wrong.

00:16:55.860 And I just pledge to you I will never put you in that position.

00:16:59.180 So, yes.

00:17:00.060 So if you have an appetite for that stuff, you know where to get it.

00:17:03.640 And that's fine, too.

00:17:04.520 I have no problem with people who are more, you know, looking into those things, too.

00:17:09.000 It's just from my own sanity and my own brand, I go a different way.

00:17:13.360 Yeah.

00:17:13.840 Thank you.

00:17:16.400 Hi, Megan.

00:17:17.160 Hi.

00:17:17.300 My name's Morgan.

00:17:17.960 I'm a huge fan.

00:17:19.260 I listen to you every single day.

00:17:21.400 I'm a California transplant.

00:17:23.960 And you motivated me to run for my local school board.

00:17:27.940 Oh.

00:17:29.460 Did you make it?

00:17:30.540 I did.

00:17:31.020 I won by 80 votes.

00:17:32.880 Woo!

00:17:33.720 It took on 45 days to count the votes.

00:17:37.500 And I won by 80 votes.

00:17:38.980 So thank you.

00:17:39.820 That's amazing.

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:41.600 It's been a blessing and a curse.

00:17:42.820 But thank you for motivating me.

00:17:45.440 But my question for you is, and I'm here on my birthday.

00:17:48.700 My sister brought me for my birthday.

00:17:50.500 Happy birthday.

00:17:51.700 Thank you.

00:17:51.920 And my question for you is, I started to notice some of the ads leading into your show, not

00:17:58.220 during your show, were promoting Prop 50, Big Pharma.

00:18:03.240 And I wasn't sure if you're aware that they're coming after your audience and you know those

00:18:07.920 are the lead-ins.

00:18:08.600 How do you listen to the show via what forum?

00:18:10.820 I listen to it on Apple Podcasts.

00:18:12.480 On Podcasts.

00:18:13.080 Okay.

00:18:13.780 So usually, like, we have the host-read ads, all of which I bless.

00:18:17.920 If I read it, I blessed it.

00:18:20.380 I approved it.

00:18:21.780 And all the rest are, like, programmatic ads where they buy ad time through Apple or through

00:18:27.500 SiriusXM.

00:18:28.660 And those I don't have approval over.

00:18:30.620 So I'm not surprised they're trying to get my audience.

00:18:32.820 It's a very reasonable, smart, covetable audience.

00:18:36.340 So that's fine.

00:18:37.420 We're strong enough to listen to their bullshit on Prop 50 or whatever.

00:18:41.520 Let them waste their money trying to get us, right?

00:18:44.500 Rather than trying to motivate voters who actually might get to the polls and vote with

00:18:47.180 them.

00:18:48.140 So anyway, I don't know.

00:18:49.560 Like, I'm fine taking their money.

00:18:51.520 I guess at some point I must get some piece of that.

00:18:54.420 But really, the host-reads ad ads are the ones that I stand behind.

00:18:58.220 Like cowboy colostrum.

00:19:04.820 Madagascar vanilla.

00:19:07.420 They tried to make it sound exotic.

00:19:10.560 It's from a cow.

00:19:14.120 Okay, one more and then we got to go.

00:19:16.460 Hi, Megan.

00:19:17.200 Hi.

00:19:17.560 Kevin.

00:19:18.120 Hi, Kevin.

00:19:18.880 I have a question regarding HR 4310.

00:19:24.140 It's an Obama-era law regarding propaganda.

00:19:27.820 Okay.

00:19:28.120 And I was wondering, I mean, it's hard enough to get the right information or the correct

00:19:32.740 information because of all the fake news and the fake media.

00:19:36.380 So what can be done to be repealing laws like that so that we're not lied to on a daily

00:19:42.240 basis?

00:19:42.720 Well, I don't, I'm not familiar with the law that you're citing.

00:19:45.700 But in general, propaganda, I don't think it should be handled by government regulation.

00:19:51.420 I don't want any regulation from government on speech pretty much at all.

00:19:55.180 I think the answer to, you know, bullshit propaganda is finding real news sources that

00:20:00.660 you trust.

00:20:01.420 And that takes some time.

00:20:02.940 It does take time to actually figure out who do I trust in the media.

00:20:05.960 And then when you do, you're good.

00:20:08.080 So like you do have to put some effort into figuring out like who do I trust?

00:20:10.960 Who's not going to try to mind meld me into their own agenda?

00:20:14.120 And then you should be fine.

00:20:15.200 But like to say you're going to like avoid people trying to manipulate you through propaganda

00:20:20.400 or just bias is to pretend you don't live in a free society like the United States of

00:20:24.880 America.

00:20:25.300 So you're going to have to deal with it is the bad news.

00:20:27.200 They will come for you.

00:20:28.820 But I got you.

00:20:29.880 Don't worry.

00:20:30.920 Stick with me.

00:20:32.520 All right.

00:20:32.760 I'm sorry for those of you waiting in line.

00:20:34.100 We're going to have to wrap it up because we want to keep this show on time.

00:20:36.920 Thrilled, thrilled, thrilled to be here.

00:20:38.260 And you're going to love, because you watched the MK show, our first guests.

00:20:41.900 All right.

00:20:42.540 Now, Michael Moynihan, Camille Foster, and Matt Welsh, you might not necessarily think

00:20:51.000 that they're the perfect fit for the Megyn Kelly show.

00:20:53.140 Like we disagree on a lot.

00:20:55.120 They are not huge Trump fans.

00:20:58.180 They've got, you know, policies that they've stuck by for many, many years as open libertarians

00:21:03.020 that don't always jive with my own worldview, but often do.

00:21:06.400 But they remind me of the fundamental decency of people on the right.

00:21:15.920 I think they would admit they're at least center right.

00:21:19.360 Because even though we disagree over everything, they're like brothers to me.

00:21:23.160 These guys would take a bullet for me, and I would for them too.

00:21:26.880 And even though there's a million things that we could go to town on.

00:21:30.200 You know, I went on to their show, and we had like a long and difficult discussion about

00:21:34.900 some of the things we mentioned, like the very dicey issues, and we got completely hammered.

00:21:39.900 And we had so much fun.

00:21:41.840 And to me, it's like an example.

00:21:42.920 One of the reasons I bring on guys like the fifth column with whom I have so many disagreements

00:21:46.280 is because we really are able to disagree without being disagreeable.

00:21:50.860 And I think the audience likes that.

00:21:52.860 I think it's a good thing to remind yourself that this is possible, especially for people

00:21:56.280 like you who are living side by side with nothing but people who probably disagree with you,

00:22:00.620 right?

00:22:00.800 So in any event, I'm overstating the delta of our disagreements, but there are enough

00:22:06.860 that I think it's exciting when they come on.

00:22:08.960 And I think they're actually one of our most important guests for that reason alone.

00:22:12.800 I'm going to introduce them via videotape, and then we'll bring the guys out.

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00:23:17.640 Hi, Megan.

00:23:18.600 Thank you for coming.

00:23:19.680 Thanks for having me.

00:23:20.560 Cheers.

00:23:21.060 Five years.

00:23:21.740 Cheers.

00:23:22.400 This is the five years.

00:23:24.280 There's a big bunny in front of me.

00:23:25.680 I have to leave now.

00:23:27.340 God, is that real?

00:23:29.020 Yeah.

00:23:29.320 It's not a deep fake?

00:23:30.460 I thought that was a Megyn Kelly deep fake.

00:23:32.300 The man is just not in the same universe as the rest of us and has a person in a bunny

00:23:37.440 suit pulling him away from questions about Afghanistan, which sounds like, you know, some acid trip

00:23:43.340 fever dream in, you know, a Jefferson Airplane song.

00:23:46.940 Guess what's coming back?

00:23:49.040 Crop tops for men.

00:23:51.020 Crop tops.

00:23:52.360 Boyd Ann's eyes are like silver dollars.

00:23:54.620 I'm sorry, coming back?

00:23:55.700 I'm sorry, coming back?

00:23:56.240 Quote, my girlfriend.

00:23:57.840 Oh, my girlfriend always makes fun of me.

00:24:00.800 What?

00:24:01.360 What?

00:24:01.820 I have bad news for the girlfriend.

00:24:04.380 Yes.

00:24:05.080 Your boyfriend's gay.

00:24:07.200 Sorry.

00:24:07.680 The land acknowledgment.

00:24:09.620 This land was not claimed or traded.

00:24:11.740 We still live in a system built to suppress indigenous peoples.

00:24:15.340 Camille, you look moved.

00:24:16.580 I can feel, I feel like it touched you a little.

00:24:18.720 I mean, there's always something about those land acknowledgments that reminds me of just

00:24:22.100 how out of touch Democrats have the capacity to be.

00:24:24.460 I want to acknowledge Steve, who lived in this apartment before me, but I could pay

00:24:29.880 this.

00:24:31.220 Democrats never actually let Americans mind their own damn business.

00:24:35.180 And calling the people who don't vote Democrats racist is part of that.

00:24:38.860 They are constantly the HR manager, like, pointing their bankers and telling you what

00:24:42.220 to do.

00:24:42.620 And people are sick of it.

00:24:44.340 Sick of it.

00:24:44.840 Yes.

00:24:45.200 Look, I had the Kamala Harris bobble doll.

00:24:47.300 And this was Kamala Harris last night.

00:24:48.620 I can almost see her laughing.

00:24:53.140 That's how it went.

00:24:54.260 Sorry, but it was rough.

00:24:56.300 We don't hang out a lot.

00:24:57.260 We don't go for dinners a lot, but we know each other.

00:24:59.560 We've spent hours and hours.

00:25:00.920 I can't think of a lot of friends I have spent this much time with.

00:25:04.860 These relationships you form with the people who you interview and spend time with in this

00:25:09.100 space, they're real.

00:25:10.380 Can you do the twirl for us?

00:25:11.960 No.

00:25:13.060 Wow.

00:25:13.880 We can just move the chair.

00:25:15.380 Too soon.

00:25:16.320 Too soon.

00:25:16.920 If you can look at it just in the right angle and exclude my C-section scars, you're going

00:25:20.320 to find it really hot.

00:25:23.800 We don't know what we're going to do to the fifth column.

00:25:26.780 Camille Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welsh.

00:25:31.040 Yeah.

00:25:32.200 Woo.

00:25:33.500 Yeah.

00:25:33.980 All we're missing is the hairband.

00:25:47.400 Yes.

00:25:48.220 I know.

00:25:48.620 We have fire.

00:25:49.400 Amazing.

00:25:50.160 Fun, right?

00:25:50.760 Welcome back to California.

00:25:52.200 Thanks for having me.

00:25:53.380 I like how you said libertarian, and I heard one woman's voice shout, yeah.

00:25:58.920 And I want to buy you a drink later, so just text me.

00:26:03.240 She's for you.

00:26:04.160 That's great.

00:26:04.920 Everybody wants to talk about MTG, guys.

00:26:07.520 Oh, God.

00:26:08.120 Yeah.

00:26:08.780 She's leaving.

00:26:09.840 She's leaving.

00:26:10.760 What do we think is...

00:26:11.600 I'll give you my own theory.

00:26:13.180 All right?

00:26:13.320 And then I want to hear your theory.

00:26:14.880 So I had her on the show, like, in Atlanta.

00:26:18.340 It was a week and a half ago, which, by the way, why couldn't she have announced it live

00:26:22.480 on the set of the MK show?

00:26:24.000 But okay, fine.

00:26:24.600 And I asked her the question about whether AOC was telling the truth when AOC said she

00:26:32.600 asked Trump, MTG asked Trump if she could run for Senate, and he said, no, like, I don't

00:26:38.580 think you can do it, and he must have somebody else in mind, and he said, basically, I mean,

00:26:41.940 she can do it, but he's like, I'm not going to get behind it.

00:26:44.440 And AOC was saying that's why MTG went on The View and was doing this sort of crossover

00:26:48.560 tour with CNN and sounding very different than she normally sounded.

00:26:52.280 And then her attacks on Trump escalated.

00:26:54.920 She joined the brigade trying to get the Epstein files.

00:26:58.260 He started attacking her, downward spiral, and then she said, it's just too toxic, and

00:27:02.420 I'm out.

00:27:03.340 But I do think my own view is she lost the support of Trump, clearly, for whatever reason,

00:27:08.140 and she recognized there was no future for her in the Republican Party without Big Daddy,

00:27:12.220 because her whole brand was as this stalwart of the MAGA movement and decided to peace out

00:27:17.740 once she and he fractured.

00:27:19.340 And that's my best guess, because I don't know, what else could it be?

00:27:24.240 Well, Moynihan was with her backstage at Bill Maher like 10 days ago, so we don't know what

00:27:28.780 happened there with her.

00:27:31.240 I think we were talking about this in the green room.

00:27:34.340 Who's left that is a Republican elected official who has decided to oppose Trump with some regularity?

00:27:43.740 There's one person, Thomas Massey, and Trump's going full guns at him.

00:27:49.480 He's trying to get him supplanted.

00:27:52.000 Rand Paul.

00:27:53.000 Rand Paul is, you know, he used to play a lot of golf with him in the first term, but like, yeah,

00:27:57.380 Trump is circling back around to him.

00:27:59.440 We forget now, because a lot of time has passed, but in Trump's first administration,

00:28:05.000 his first year in office, he basically croaked every single potential area of disagreement

00:28:12.460 in the Republican Party.

00:28:13.600 He went straight for the Freedom Caucus and made them his lapdogs within nine months.

00:28:18.520 It was actually kind of spectacular.

00:28:19.920 Justin Amash pieces out.

00:28:21.600 Peter Meyer pieces out.

00:28:22.600 Basically, everyone we invite on our podcast immediately.

00:28:25.660 But I think that's just the reality of Trump's party until the moment that it isn't.

00:28:36.480 And it's very curious to figure out when he is going to be a lame duck.

00:28:40.560 He isn't now.

00:28:41.580 I mean, he's very unpopular in the country, and he's doing worse and worse in the polls,

00:28:47.280 and the generic Democratic ballot is doing incredibly well right now, despite the fact

00:28:52.620 of Democrats.

00:28:55.120 And even with all of that, Republicans are terrified of not just him.

00:28:59.180 They're terrified of his audience, his people out there.

00:29:02.960 And I think it's untenable for an elected Republican to be anti-Trump until the moment

00:29:08.460 that it isn't.

00:29:08.840 So why did she go anti-Trump?

00:29:10.780 I mean, do you think it was the no, don't run for Senate?

00:29:14.060 Like, there was a reason.

00:29:15.080 She started changing, didn't she?

00:29:16.520 She, weren't you surprised to see her on CNN?

00:29:19.380 My own, I feel very strongly that the move for any disaffected Republican is not go on

00:29:24.420 CNN.

00:29:25.120 It's just not.

00:29:25.840 I see that as traitor territory.

00:29:27.420 I do.

00:29:27.820 They're like, they hate everything you stand for on the right.

00:29:30.220 I'm not going to suggest in any way that there's some audience feedback that she's responding

00:29:35.860 to.

00:29:36.440 But in the Bill Maher show, he does the top of the show, and he sits out there with a guest

00:29:41.020 in that episode.

00:29:42.640 There was someone talking about aliens.

00:29:43.780 So we're sitting across stage waiting, and she seemed nervous.

00:29:48.620 Because she's going into what, like, what she sees as like the viper's nest.

00:29:52.040 It's Bill Maher.

00:29:52.880 And she was saying he's like, oh, this liberal guy, liberal audience.

00:29:55.660 And I say, yeah, you got to watch after the audience.

00:29:57.360 Because when they turn on you, you become the wrestling villain.

00:29:59.460 And we went out there, and they introduced her, and I was, and they all applauded, like,

00:30:04.340 lustily applauded.

00:30:06.060 Southern California, LA audience.

00:30:08.000 It's, they don't know who the guest is going to be.

00:30:09.800 So you can't stack it with MTG fans.

00:30:12.200 So they were very, very pro her.

00:30:14.780 She didn't get a single boo the whole time.

00:30:17.000 But all the things that she said were not necessarily anti-Trump.

00:30:21.940 She had the throat clearing that he's still the greatest president.

00:30:24.800 But.

00:30:25.440 And there was all of these buts until we got to the overtime segment.

00:30:29.300 And she had, something sounded a little more conservative to me.

00:30:32.340 But we were talking about health care most of the time.

00:30:34.780 And it was a bit, you know, it could have been in the Bernie Sanders universe.

00:30:37.660 I mean, her politics became, and there's a lot of that in populism, too, which is why

00:30:41.880 we disagree with some things you're talking about, is we're definitely ultra free market

00:30:46.840 people.

00:30:47.480 And there's a lot of people in the populist movement who aren't.

00:30:49.720 But she, afterwards, and I can't betray confidence, because we had a long conversation

00:30:54.000 afterwards, but she did sound much more left-wing than I had heard her sound in the past.

00:31:00.720 You know, I will say, maybe there's a piece of this I can relate to.

00:31:05.220 So, because having been on the wrong side of Donald Trump for a good nine months.

00:31:10.940 Heard about that.

00:31:11.380 Did that happen?

00:31:11.660 Yeah.

00:31:12.080 Yeah.

00:31:13.240 I'll have to look that up.

00:31:14.480 By the end of that, I, too, was sounding more left-wing.

00:31:18.640 You know, like, I was kind of like, I don't like him.

00:31:22.100 I don't want to be around him.

00:31:24.200 I don't want to have to, like, cover him every night.

00:31:27.040 And it really took four years of Joe Biden to help me see the error of my ways.

00:31:32.680 And then I was like, I love him.

00:31:34.420 I will walk over broken glass for him.

00:31:38.200 Right?

00:31:38.640 I mean, nothing will make you fall in love with Trump for, like, four years with Joe Biden.

00:31:42.480 But I don't know.

00:31:44.480 Like, it's tough.

00:31:45.340 Trump is amazing.

00:31:46.520 And he's, I think, a great president.

00:31:47.980 And he's a special guy.

00:31:50.320 But, you know, he's a big personality.

00:31:52.900 So if, like, you're on the wrong end of that, and you're a Republican, like, you don't, you probably don't have much of a future in Congress.

00:32:01.360 I think it was the response when he said, Marjorie Trader Greene, which I thought was kind of funny.

00:32:08.240 I'm sorry.

00:32:09.220 And she was like, my life is in danger.

00:32:11.660 And I was like, wait.

00:32:12.420 I'm over that.

00:32:13.080 I just did the rhetoric from her, who has, by the way, called a number of people traitors publicly before.

00:32:19.740 But that kind of thing is not something you expect to hear from somebody in the coalition.

00:32:23.360 The Republican Party has generally been this big tent movement, that there is some room for disagreement.

00:32:31.120 And it felt like someone like Marjorie Trader Greene having particular issues on foreign policy questions, on some other kind of narrow issues, certainly on the Epstein stuff.

00:32:39.680 There's something that was healthy about it for the Republican Party.

00:32:44.300 And I do wonder, both with respect to the way the president responded to this video, but also to the fact that he very publicly kind of read her out of the party, if that isn't something of a misstep.

00:32:55.460 That there isn't something to be gained from having a high-profile person who supports you, who just disagrees on a couple of important issues.

00:33:03.460 That's her failure, though, because Donald Trump, if you know Donald Trump at all, you know that he forgives everyone.

00:33:10.740 Look at us.

00:33:11.620 This is, yeah.

00:33:12.460 I mean, you can say anything.

00:33:14.380 I had somebody that I interviewed when I was doing the Vice show who insulted Donald Trump on camera so aggressively, like, in the background.

00:33:22.520 And I was like, should we cut that?

00:33:23.380 And he's like, no, it's fine.

00:33:24.380 And then he became a member of the administration.

00:33:26.760 Trump knew all about it.

00:33:27.940 He doesn't care.

00:33:28.960 He said, Marco.

00:33:29.500 J.D. Vance had the private text saying.

00:33:32.100 Called him a Nazi.

00:33:32.760 He's kind of like a Nazi.

00:33:34.900 He's very forgiving.

00:33:36.460 Yeah, and I mean, it's like little Marco.

00:33:39.260 He's like best secretary of state of all time.

00:33:41.780 He's the best.

00:33:42.700 And it's like, do you guys hate each other at some point?

00:33:45.420 He'll forgive you.

00:33:46.540 You guys will get over it.

00:33:47.740 Don't break up immediately.

00:33:49.100 This is among his best qualities, I think.

00:33:51.700 Like, watching that exchange in the Oval today, like, it actually feels kind of good.

00:33:57.180 No, it doesn't.

00:33:58.720 Do you guys feel good about the bromance between Trump?

00:34:02.760 Trump and Zoran Mamdani?

00:34:05.160 No.

00:34:05.960 I'll tell you what feels...

00:34:07.900 I'll tell you...

00:34:08.900 I want to be the heel.

00:34:12.420 Do the fireworks again.

00:34:14.860 What I like about it is there's something about the vitriol in our politics that I think we have all become accustomed to, but that we all kind of have some contempt for.

00:34:25.620 As you were saying earlier when you were introducing us in such a generous way.

00:34:28.920 Thank you for that, by the way.

00:34:30.460 And I was talking to some of the wonderful people in the room in line earlier about the fact that we'll agree on 85, 90% of things.

00:34:38.620 And that's actually true most of the time with most Americans.

00:34:41.360 Granted, that 10% can be pretty damn important, but the fact that we agree on so much ought to give us more opportunities to see scenes like that.

00:34:49.620 And I appreciated that that played out in the office.

00:34:52.060 And, of course, Trump being the funniest man to have ever occupied the Oval Office had the best line of the evening as well.

00:34:59.260 With Zoran?

00:35:00.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:00.780 Totally fine to call me a fascist.

00:35:02.180 Just go ahead and do that.

00:35:02.700 Oh, my God.

00:35:02.720 Did you see that?

00:35:03.520 Trump's like, you don't have to.

00:35:05.020 Do we have that?

00:35:05.720 Hold on.

00:35:06.020 I've got a long thought list.

00:35:07.300 It's good.

00:35:08.200 It's a very good clip.

00:35:09.900 But we disagree with Mom Donnie on 98% of things.

00:35:14.560 Well, yeah.

00:35:15.160 In that 10%.

00:35:15.900 No, we don't have any overlap with him at all.

00:35:18.520 As we should.

00:35:19.180 And two of us live in that decaying city.

00:35:23.860 I think he's going to surprise some conservative people, actually.

00:35:27.680 Just days ago, you referred to President Trump.

00:35:29.540 It's a despot.

00:35:30.860 And I've been called much worse than a despot.

00:35:33.280 So it's not that insulting.

00:35:36.000 I expect to be helping him, not hurting him.

00:35:38.640 A big help.

00:35:39.700 Because I want New York City to be great.

00:35:42.300 Do you think you're standing next to a jihadist right now in the Oval Office?

00:35:45.200 No, I don't.

00:35:45.900 You say things sometimes in a campaign.

00:35:47.760 I met with a man who's a very rational person.

00:35:50.780 Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?

00:35:54.120 I've spoken about.

00:35:55.440 That's okay.

00:35:55.820 You can just say yes.

00:35:56.900 Okay.

00:35:57.820 It's easier.

00:35:58.540 It's easier than explaining it.

00:36:01.120 I don't mind.

00:36:03.560 It's funny.

00:36:04.660 It's funny.

00:36:05.280 It's good.

00:36:06.120 I don't like it, but it's funny.

00:36:07.400 What is happening?

00:36:08.540 Yeah, what is happening?

00:36:10.100 MTG is out, and Trump hates her, and she's a traitor.

00:36:13.300 Yeah.

00:36:13.420 Zora Mamdani is in, and Trump thinks it's funny to call him a fascist.

00:36:17.720 Yes.

00:36:18.840 Who are we?

00:36:20.280 Game, respect, game.

00:36:21.800 Game, respect, game.

00:36:22.840 They're like, they're both from Queens.

00:36:26.280 They both came from outside of the establishment of their parties.

00:36:29.540 They're both really savvy at media, whether you like Mamdani or Trump or not.

00:36:35.700 He's very skilled at it, especially compared to the stiff boards that he was running against.

00:36:39.860 Cuomo's campaign was unbelievably nonexistent.

00:36:43.020 It was the worst campaign I've ever seen in my life, really.

00:36:45.720 Yes.

00:36:46.400 But Trump endorsed Cuomo.

00:36:48.480 And Trump enjoys him.

00:36:50.580 Like, Ben Smith, our friend at Semaphore, had a piece just two weeks ago talking about that.

00:36:55.940 There was a fan club within the White House for Zora Mamdani because they kind of see what he's doing.

00:37:01.140 And as Trump said, and this should terrify every single one of us, especially those of us who live in New York,

00:37:06.600 he's like, hey, we have a lot of the same policies, and we're talking about the same economic policies here.

00:37:11.340 That's not good, people.

00:37:12.520 That's not good at all.

00:37:13.320 But wait, but I've also heard that there's a fan club in the White House for Zora Mamdani,

00:37:16.980 but not for that reason, because they're going to make him the poster boy of the left,

00:37:20.620 the communist left, and they're really looking forward to having him as this, you know,

00:37:25.460 thing to sort of beat up for the next four years.

00:37:28.460 You have to destroy my city for that?

00:37:30.600 Sorry.

00:37:31.200 Really?

00:37:31.840 I mean, look, these people have no sympathy for you.

00:37:34.060 Look how they have to live.

00:37:35.160 I know.

00:37:36.400 Does anybody have, like, the one who said, cheer for libertarians, do you have, like, a spare room?

00:37:41.260 That I can, I love California, but you guys have horrible leadership, too, so.

00:37:46.480 What about, who will take over Steve's apartment?

00:37:49.640 Oh, yeah.

00:37:53.220 Well, my rent's not going up.

00:37:55.640 I know that.

00:37:56.400 Right.

00:37:56.760 There's that.

00:37:57.140 The cost will go up, but the rent won't.

00:37:58.660 I don't know.

00:37:59.060 I'm uncomfortable with the Zoran Mamdani bromance, and I also, like, to me, I recognize that we're

00:38:04.000 all in media, and you guys consume enough media because you're here that you know it's

00:38:08.220 true, too, that, like, they don't mean it when they say the really terrible things about

00:38:12.780 each other when they're campaigning, you know, like, Zoran's been calling Trump all

00:38:15.920 the terrible names, and I watched that New York debate, the last one, I watched both of

00:38:20.040 them, but the last one where Cuomo and Zoran threw down, and Cuomo was like, I will work

00:38:25.400 with Donald Trump, you know, we got to get along with the president, and I'll stand up

00:38:28.540 to him when I need to, but there has to be a good relationship between the mayor of New

00:38:32.000 York and the president of the United States, and Zoran's like, I will fight Donald Trump,

00:38:35.860 I will not lie down for Donald Trump, I will take him on at every turn, and look at the

00:38:39.520 two of them now, like BFFs.

00:38:42.100 Well, I mean, you saw what whoever the person in the media said, you know, you were called

00:38:47.660 by Elise Stefanik, a Giannist, and Trump's response is like, she's running for, of course

00:38:53.100 you say that, it doesn't mean anything, and it's like he was,

00:38:55.240 I was saying it out front that he called, that she called him a jihadist, and he's

00:38:59.460 like, yeah, but you know that she's running, in Trump's brain, he's like, yeah, you just

00:39:02.880 say stuff, and then what you do is what matters, and I think that in a lot of ways, there's

00:39:07.940 obviously limits to that, but in a lot of ways, that is true, I mean, I know that Zoran

00:39:13.520 Mamdani, much to the disappointment of so many of the morons that I call friends, they don't

00:39:19.140 watch, I can say it, the idiots that I know, but the friends of mine, that I've known for

00:39:24.140 a long time, who believe this stuff is going to happen, that you're going to get free buses,

00:39:28.620 they think that the mayor can just do that, it's like, no, this is the rhetoric that makes

00:39:34.080 dummies like you go to the polls, because you're going to get free stuff, and it never happens,

00:39:38.360 and they've forgotten about it.

00:39:39.360 Did you see the moment, we had Jack Posobiec on the stage last night in Bakersfield, and

00:39:44.740 did you see him get in Zoran's face saying, you said you wanted to create tax policy based

00:39:52.240 on where the whites were, like, you're very focused on targeting whites, you said that,

00:39:58.180 you promised to raise taxes on white people, which is illegal, and he dodged, Zoran Mamdani

00:40:04.420 sounded a lot more reasonable and less interested in going after the whites when he was cross-examined

00:40:09.380 by Jack, which was interesting, but I actually think it was all fake, I don't think it's a

00:40:16.480 game respects game, I think Trump is always affable when you're affable to him, but as

00:40:21.300 soon as Zoran gets out of there and gets back to New York and says his first bad thing

00:40:25.520 about Trump, which he will, because that's what his constituency wants to see, Trump is,

00:40:30.560 the big gorilla is coming back out.

00:40:31.860 I don't think he said anything nice about Trump when Trump was being nice to him, he

00:40:35.620 was kind of sitting there in that kind of statue-like way in the photos.

00:40:38.760 Backstage, they seemed to have.

00:40:40.160 Okay.

00:40:40.560 Right?

00:40:40.820 He seemed to have wooed Trump into, like, his affable status where he would say, go ahead

00:40:45.380 and call me a fascist, it's fine.

00:40:47.300 Clearly there was some glad-handing backstage.

00:40:49.740 All right, but speaking about this weird world in which, like, Trump doesn't like MTG, but

00:40:53.480 he does like Zoran, Dick Cheney's funeral.

00:40:57.040 What happened?

00:40:58.360 What?

00:40:58.640 This is so bizarre.

00:40:59.620 Rachel Maddow was in the front row of Dick Cheney's funeral.

00:41:04.820 She literally bashed him every night for years, and yet, and also Trump wasn't there.

00:41:11.240 Like, the realignment that is happening right now is real.

00:41:15.240 Sorry.

00:41:16.460 Can anyone explain it?

00:41:17.520 Do you want to take this?

00:41:18.220 A thing that I thought a lot about with Dick Cheney dying and the reaction to it, I was

00:41:23.420 on a conservative radio show in Salt Lake City, I think, on the morning that he died, and

00:41:29.060 they had me on to bash Mom Donnie, which I was happy to.

00:41:32.460 But their preamble was like, oh, Dick Cheney died, by the way, today.

00:41:37.020 He used to be good, but he turned really bad at the end when he went against Trump, and they

00:41:40.580 kind of railed against him for a while as someone who was never a fan of Dick Cheney to begin

00:41:45.480 with.

00:41:45.740 This is always very fun to kind of watch people go in all these directions.

00:41:49.520 But the two people in the last 50 years who have expanded the powers of the presidency the

00:41:54.740 most, and it's not close, are Dick Cheney and Donald Trump.

00:41:58.960 That was Dick Cheney's project.

00:42:00.400 From the time that he was in the Ford administration and seeing the post-Richard Nixon kind of Watergate

00:42:05.220 rollbacks of executive power, he made that his desire and drive under George W. Bush.

00:42:10.520 He wanted to expand those powers.

00:42:13.020 Donald Trump, who campaigned against the Bush family very effectively and very daringly

00:42:18.620 in the 2016 primary, and against Cheney and the Forever Wars and all of this stuff, Trump's

00:42:24.780 picked up all of those powers.

00:42:26.040 He's used all of them gleefully, willingly.

00:42:27.980 Every person has done that since Bush.

00:42:30.360 Obama expanded them, Trump expanded them, Biden continued it too.

00:42:34.100 You can't give the keys and never expect someone to give them back.

00:42:37.400 One of the things that I think is interesting is, I don't know if you noticed, Megan, that

00:42:41.080 after when Cheney died, it was almost that I didn't hear about it for a couple of days.

00:42:47.120 There was almost no, and that was more indicative to me of the shift in policy, like away from,

00:42:52.280 I mean, he was, this is a really weird, stupid, narrow distinction that no one cares, but

00:42:56.920 he wasn't necessarily a neocon, neocons didn't consider him one, but he was of that universe.

00:43:01.380 He's obviously the man that's one of the big architects of the Iraq War, that you could

00:43:04.940 not get a single Republican to say a positive thing about today.

00:43:08.200 Not one.

00:43:09.060 Try to find one.

00:43:10.260 And when he died, no one really said anything.

00:43:12.380 In this strange new respect, when you see this, and our producer Jason mentioned Mark

00:43:18.460 Liebowich's book, Our Town, and about all these people at Tim Russert's funeral, which

00:43:22.360 is a great scene in a book.

00:43:23.980 It shows you, the funeral shows you so much about DC politics, because no one believes

00:43:29.340 in anything, really.

00:43:30.560 Rachel Maddow, and there's a new, what is it, Grok or whatever, Gemini, this AI thing,

00:43:37.960 and I said, let me try it out.

00:43:39.060 What did Rachel Maddow say on her show about Dick Cheney?

00:43:43.820 Oh my God, that thing spat out some insane thing.

00:43:46.400 Like, basically, he's a terrorist, and he's a war criminal, and she's four rows back, sitting

00:43:51.100 next to Anthony Fauci, by the way, at this funeral.

00:43:54.640 And so, but why are they there?

00:43:56.520 At the end of his life, he hated Trump enough, and that's the paramount thing in her life

00:44:02.040 now.

00:44:02.740 That's it.

00:44:03.580 That's it.

00:44:04.440 He hated Trump.

00:44:06.280 That's why Rachel Maddow showed up at his funeral.

00:44:09.240 It's wild.

00:44:09.520 Think of how effed up that is.

00:44:11.260 It's really crazy.

00:44:12.380 What is that?

00:44:13.140 And unlike people like Bill Kristol, who actually just changed his politics, he's become kind

00:44:18.540 of an FDR Democrat now, in the process of becoming an anti-Trump person.

00:44:22.620 As far as I know, Dick Cheney never changed any of his politics.

00:44:25.860 No.

00:44:26.280 He just didn't like Trump.

00:44:27.500 No.

00:44:27.940 And so all the people-

00:44:28.760 Well, and he also produced Liz Cheney, which people like Rachel Maddow like.

00:44:32.000 Right.

00:44:32.300 Exactly.

00:44:33.580 Not fans.

00:44:34.540 Copy.

00:44:34.620 And mark my words, if you haven't seen it already, you're going to see this with MTG

00:44:39.220 as well.

00:44:39.980 The strange new respect.

00:44:41.500 I saw Chuck Todd, your favorite, talking about how, like, you know, read-

00:44:45.960 The Chuck Todd cast.

00:44:46.880 I think there are up to 30 viewers now.

00:44:48.500 He linked to her statement today, which is very long and badly written, as if he was

00:44:57.400 writing for Vanity Fair or something.

00:44:59.280 And he's like, you know, read every word.

00:45:03.820 This is an important American statement.

00:45:05.760 It's like, dude, MTG?

00:45:07.660 Chuck Todd?

00:45:08.400 And Dick Cheney, I think it was the same thing.

00:45:10.080 Like, he didn't modify his views at all, but he became this effective person for this thing

00:45:17.200 that media people cared about.

00:45:18.220 Let's move back to looking forward.

00:45:22.140 A lot of the left now arguing Trump is a lame duck.

00:45:25.400 I think it's wishful thinking.

00:45:27.260 I don't think Trump will ever be a lame duck.

00:45:29.700 I don't think those rules apply to him.

00:45:31.720 Not in his mind, no.

00:45:33.380 Right?

00:45:33.820 Like, he's not, like, Barack Obama rode off into the sunset and is now just dealing with

00:45:40.540 his mess of a wife.

00:45:42.960 Good luck, brother.

00:45:45.240 George Bush, I think, genuinely wanted privacy after he left the presidency.

00:45:48.980 He and Laura were classy and went and didn't attack the people that came after them, and

00:45:53.840 they're leading a private life now.

00:45:55.280 A lot of great paintings.

00:45:56.460 A lot of great paintings.

00:45:57.520 I like his paintings.

00:45:58.100 He actually really is talented.

00:45:58.960 I do.

00:45:59.280 I love, yeah.

00:45:59.700 Clinton does his grift on the Clinton initiative and all that.

00:46:04.640 Yeah, we all know his criminal wife is doing her thing, and now they've got their loser

00:46:09.440 daughter, who's really never done anything, lecturing us on how Maha sucks.

00:46:13.720 Imagine making that your cause.

00:46:15.580 Like, no, I don't want to make America healthy again.

00:46:18.160 I don't want any questions about vaccines or anything else.

00:46:20.800 I'm just going to, status quo.

00:46:22.720 Kids are doing great.

00:46:23.700 That's going to be my thing.

00:46:25.040 Chelsea's talking about this?

00:46:25.960 Yes, she is.

00:46:26.720 I don't get my Google alerts for Chelsea Clinton anymore.

00:46:29.700 But my point is, Trump's not going to do that.

00:46:32.940 Trump, his whole, his oxygen is attention and celebrity, and he'll live post-presidency

00:46:38.080 the way he lived pre-presidency.

00:46:40.220 And do you think he's going to be shy about going after Republican politicians who crossed

00:46:45.360 him while he was president, about, like, using his bully pulpit to actually bully people

00:46:49.860 when he's, you know, post-president?

00:46:52.120 Like, he won't.

00:46:52.980 He's going to use it, and they are going to be afraid of him, especially if we have a J.D.

00:46:56.340 Vance president.

00:46:56.880 You don't have to be the president.

00:47:00.360 Got some J.D. Vance fans here.

00:47:02.540 Yeah, I don't know what that applause is for.

00:47:04.180 Also known as.

00:47:07.100 Yeah.

00:47:07.760 I don't know.

00:47:08.220 What's happening?

00:47:09.160 I heard something behind me.

00:47:10.100 No, you don't have to be the president to say that person should be primaried and have people

00:47:16.760 act on it.

00:47:17.760 Like, he's not, you're absolutely right about this.

00:47:19.980 He's not going to back down.

00:47:21.820 And why would he?

00:47:23.220 In the second you walk out of office, you're not denuded of power.

00:47:26.700 People like him for reasons.

00:47:28.060 Not just because they're scared of him.

00:47:29.580 It's not just because they're like, okay, we're waiting for him to ride off on the sunset.

00:47:32.420 He has, like, fundamentally remade the party.

00:47:35.340 In those years when Joe Biden was president, that was his party still.

00:47:40.960 He was not in the White House.

00:47:42.320 That was his party.

00:47:43.360 It has been his party.

00:47:44.600 And it's going to be his party for better or for worse.

00:47:47.500 I mean, for, like, libertarian types like us who love free market economics and things

00:47:51.840 like that, it's that part sucks.

00:47:53.940 Yes!

00:47:54.360 To your guys!

00:47:54.920 We are friends and roommates now.

00:47:58.000 There are dozens of us.

00:48:00.700 Deal?

00:48:01.460 Good.

00:48:02.260 Done.

00:48:03.800 Sorry.

00:48:04.780 Sorry.

00:48:05.700 But yeah, like, I don't think that's going to end in, it doesn't just disappear in,

00:48:10.500 like, the libertarians come back and the Cato Institute come back.

00:48:12.920 Come back?

00:48:13.600 No, I mean, yeah, they were never...

00:48:15.580 Assumes facts.

00:48:16.580 No, there was one election where the libertarian party got 0.1% of the vote.

00:48:20.420 Right on.

00:48:21.840 Very uplifting.

00:48:23.180 I think that if he loses big in the midterms, he has less power.

00:48:27.240 But I think you are right.

00:48:28.300 He is the most consequential figure in American politics in the last 35 years.

00:48:33.060 And it's not close.

00:48:34.080 Like, he has...

00:48:35.140 Not even close.

00:48:36.900 Whatever America was doing between World War II and the Cold War, which was basically

00:48:41.000 the Cold War, was an important task.

00:48:43.140 And then afterwards, when we finished the task, Americans were like, cool, so we're done,

00:48:47.420 right?

00:48:48.240 And no politician answered that question.

00:48:50.640 He's the first one to really try and to achieve prominent office to try to answer that question.

00:48:56.840 I don't like the way he answers that question sometimes.

00:48:59.100 Sometimes I do like the way he answers that question.

00:49:01.400 But he recognizes that that's a thing.

00:49:03.920 And the old world, it's like they had literal zombie as a president for the last four years.

00:49:08.460 Yeah, he's your bunny.

00:49:09.380 They're just wheeling him around.

00:49:10.360 They don't know who he is.

00:49:12.040 He didn't know who he is.

00:49:12.900 He didn't know who he is.

00:49:15.260 So that's going to...

00:49:16.520 That power is going to stay with him, I think you're right.

00:49:18.800 He will continue to be energetic.

00:49:20.520 What I find the most interesting question is who actually steps in to fill the void when

00:49:26.120 Donald Trump is no longer the most important man in our politics.

00:49:28.800 And that's part of all the squabbling right now, too.

00:49:32.000 Let's be honest about that.

00:49:32.580 Oh, 100%.

00:49:33.260 Within the Republican Party.

00:49:34.540 It's jockeying for a position of who comes next.

00:49:37.120 Absolutely.

00:49:37.660 That's part of it.

00:49:38.060 I totally agree with that.

00:49:39.420 And it's like, now it's at the podcaster level, but it's going to go up to the presidential

00:49:43.660 level very soon.

00:49:45.000 But yeah, the people are practicing for, you know, is it going to be JD?

00:49:48.220 And I don't even know if Marco is going to be the appealing candidate he would have been

00:49:54.680 four years ago to the...

00:49:56.420 Ted Cruz is thirsty.

00:49:58.920 He is.

00:49:59.780 He is.

00:50:00.940 I'm not saying I'm giving him water, but...

00:50:03.920 He just said his name.

00:50:06.160 It's all right.

00:50:06.860 Don't get mad at him.

00:50:07.960 He is thirsty.

00:50:09.220 I mean, all these people have run for president so many times.

00:50:11.820 I've been cross-examining Ted Cruz and his presidential debates since I was like 14.

00:50:16.700 Yeah, you got it.

00:50:17.020 Right?

00:50:17.200 Like, don't you at some point say, I guess they don't want me.

00:50:20.020 I don't know.

00:50:20.620 I think, like, you had your shot, you took it, you missed it again and again and again.

00:50:24.720 We need some new blood going in there.

00:50:26.740 And that new blood, I think, is now 41 years old and married to a woman named Usha.

00:50:31.160 Yes.

00:50:32.040 That's probably right.

00:50:33.740 All right, guys.

00:50:34.440 I got to wrap it up.

00:50:35.380 It's wonderful having you here.

00:50:36.780 We're not doing two hours?

00:50:37.580 Good luck with your roommate.

00:50:38.900 Thank you.

00:50:39.420 And your time in California.

00:50:40.580 Thank you.

00:50:40.980 And thank you all for everything.

00:50:42.260 Thank you, Megan.

00:50:42.780 Love you guys.

00:50:43.820 Thank you.

00:50:44.260 Aren't they amazing?

00:50:45.420 Great.

00:50:46.160 Aw.

00:50:47.200 So fun, aren't they?

00:51:02.180 You always learn something from our pals at the fifth column.

00:51:05.460 You always have some laughs, right?

00:51:07.840 One of you gained a roommate.

00:51:09.980 We're really coming together tonight.

00:51:11.200 All right, we're moving around our chairs because we're going to bring out our next guest.

00:51:16.740 Yeah, just leave him on the chair.

00:51:18.360 It's fine.

00:51:19.820 Anyway, Maureen's coming, but not yet.

00:51:25.120 My next guest is somebody who shot to superstardom on an NBC show called The Biggest Loser.

00:51:34.160 She quickly became the breakout star of that show because she was fearless.

00:51:40.280 She was no nonsense.

00:51:41.760 She was all about the tough love.

00:51:44.200 She got shit done.

00:51:46.060 And for me personally, watching Jillian Michaels transform from a California Democrat who wasn't

00:51:54.060 necessarily political, but like your normal California Democrat into somebody who has clearly been

00:51:59.040 red-pilled, has been a thing of beauty.

00:52:03.480 And I really think, I've heard Jillian say this, but like, if you look at her, the demo

00:52:08.800 around her and like, you know, she's a lesbian.

00:52:12.340 She's married to a woman.

00:52:13.980 She's got kids who are diverse.

00:52:16.100 And if California is too radical for her, if the Democrat party is too radical for her,

00:52:23.440 they're doing something wrong.

00:52:26.100 Something really wrong.

00:52:27.620 She needs no introduction, but we're going to give her one anyway.

00:52:30.260 Jillian Michaels, and then we'll bring her out.

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00:54:13.520 We have a lot in common.

00:54:15.080 We were both heavy girls.

00:54:17.560 I found out the hard way from kids at school.

00:54:19.340 Kids will always make you aware.

00:54:21.620 And you were bullied.

00:54:22.600 I was bullied, I think, for a host of reasons.

00:54:26.380 I was gay and didn't know I was gay.

00:54:28.620 Huge nose and terrible skin and braces.

00:54:31.560 Not a glamorous period in my life.

00:54:33.800 The route out of that was eventually fitness.

00:54:36.620 When somebody feels stronger physically, they feel stronger in every facet of their lives.

00:54:41.540 Get your ass on the treadmill now.

00:54:45.680 We got Jillian Michaels back in the gym.

00:54:48.220 I don't give a f*** what you think of me.

00:54:50.460 That needs to hurt.

00:54:52.180 This is going to go on for hours, every day.

00:54:56.100 I love Jillian.

00:54:56.720 She's coming out of her, like, liberal bubble.

00:54:58.720 Over the past few years, she's really started to get it.

00:55:00.640 Like, wait a minute, I think I've been really misled by my side.

00:55:03.520 Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels.

00:55:05.540 I feel myself being less neutral than black people.

00:55:09.880 Every single thing is like, oh, no, no, no, this is all because white people bad.

00:55:15.540 And that's just not the truth.

00:55:18.380 Like, for example, every single exhibit, I have a list of every single one.

00:55:23.120 We don't have time to litigate all of this.

00:55:24.880 Of course we don't, because then you're going to lose the argument.

00:55:27.180 And everything is racialized, just like you're trying to do to me now.

00:55:30.740 Of course, the left is like, oh, she's a racist.

00:55:33.900 Having a white son and a black daughter is really distressing to me.

00:55:38.600 I want my daughter to know that not all white people are bad.

00:55:41.480 Sorry, that's important to me.

00:55:43.360 You said those who are making the case that there's no difference between transgender women and biological women are deranged.

00:55:50.000 Anybody with a pair of eyes knows that men have better athleticism since the inception of humanity.

00:55:57.540 Don Lemon does not like women.

00:55:59.560 In particular, strong women.

00:56:01.280 You're a f***ing moron, dude.

00:56:02.620 Everyone knows Megyn Kelly is hot.

00:56:05.100 There is a reason that Charlize Theron played her in the movie.

00:56:09.140 Don Lemon is a miserable individual, and he puts that on display weekly.

00:56:29.280 So cool!

00:56:33.640 Hi.

00:56:36.400 I love that.

00:56:37.860 That was a fantastic compilation, I must admit.

00:56:42.080 That last bit with the Don Lemon.

00:56:45.600 The Megyn Kelly's hot bit.

00:56:46.980 I love that so much.

00:56:49.100 I love that because, you know, we've been talking about tonight about how there's like a fracturing on the right,

00:56:55.340 and it feels uncomfortable.

00:56:56.480 None of us really likes it at all.

00:56:58.520 But like, there's so much more of that,

00:57:00.600 where people who are on Team Sanity actually do have each other's back,

00:57:05.000 and we don't actually allow bullshit attacks on our people.

00:57:08.220 And we realize who we are fighting.

00:57:10.220 It's lunatics like that.

00:57:12.040 That's exactly right.

00:57:13.600 I think that all the time.

00:57:14.940 And you have had my back, actually, in some of the worst moments.

00:57:19.540 Some of the moments that were the most controversial, in particular, like that CNN moment.

00:57:23.580 And I'll never forget, I was just thinking like, oh my God, this is it.

00:57:27.740 I'm a white nationalist now.

00:57:30.080 Like, it's all over.

00:57:30.840 Welcome to the club.

00:57:32.040 Thank you.

00:57:33.100 And someone sent me a clip of you saying, I've watched Jillian's transformation, talking about it.

00:57:38.780 And you go, she's awesome.

00:57:40.520 And it meant everything to me in that moment.

00:57:42.900 And it did.

00:57:45.040 And from that point, I was like, I swear to God, I will go to war with this woman.

00:57:50.000 I love that.

00:57:50.620 I feel the same.

00:57:51.320 Because when you're getting attacked universally online, you have to get used to it when you're in our business.

00:57:57.820 But you notice the ones who don't join in, and you never forget the ones who actually say something on your behalf.

00:58:04.060 So true.

00:58:04.780 A hundred percent.

00:58:06.080 Absolutely.

00:58:06.700 And they sit quietly in the corner.

00:58:08.160 And it's like, what are we fighting for?

00:58:10.620 I know.

00:58:11.460 Like, who are the real enemies?

00:58:13.540 Like, this whole tour has had, it's not a Paul, but it's had the memory, the thought of Charlie over it.

00:58:23.120 In both a very positive way, like an inspirational way, but also, you know, there's something obviously deeply sad about not having him here.

00:58:32.560 He was supposed to be with us last night in Bakersfield.

00:58:34.920 And the whole tour, we've talked about this rift within the right.

00:58:39.120 We had Tucker, then we had Ben.

00:58:41.180 And all I keep thinking to myself is, the other side is literally killing us.

00:58:46.080 Can we please keep our eye on the ball?

00:58:48.260 Like, that's who the enemy is.

00:58:50.580 The enemy is the radical left that is radicalizing young men so much to the point where they feel they had no other options but to start killing us.

00:59:00.020 Because that's the problem.

00:59:01.900 Let's keep our eyes on that one.

00:59:04.220 I agree.

00:59:06.320 But I would warn, and I know this is not a popular position, and I appreciate, I think you and I both want the same thing.

00:59:15.560 We want, honestly, to never have Gavin Newsom be president.

00:59:19.620 Oh, my God.

00:59:23.600 They're like, hello, California.

00:59:25.260 You know what I mean.

00:59:26.880 And my concern, your concern is we have to hold everyone together to get there.

00:59:31.760 My concern is that people who are a bit more moderate are deeply alarmed by Nick Fuentes.

00:59:38.120 He's not part of the coalition.

00:59:39.600 And that's what I think needs to be said.

00:59:41.980 As often as possible, this is not what it means to be a conservative.

00:59:46.320 No, it isn't.

00:59:47.080 Oh, he's here.

00:59:51.500 Oh, God.

00:59:52.760 He's powerful.

00:59:55.120 Well done.

00:59:55.920 Well played, sir.

00:59:58.460 No, he's not.

00:59:59.580 He's definitely not.

01:00:00.400 I mean, look, we've always had fringy, weird people who are popular because they say really crazy.

01:00:05.340 And in his case, like genuinely, and trust me, I do not throw this word around because I've been called this word and all the other words.

01:00:12.420 But truly, he says very racist stuff.

01:00:14.900 He uses the N-word.

01:00:16.800 You know, he uses all the most derogatory slurs for people.

01:00:19.840 It's like this is he's a very fringy person.

01:00:23.420 And I but I also understand the interest in him because he's a compelling messenger when he's not saying those things.

01:00:28.340 And because really, it's what's most interesting about him is why he's popular, like the disaffected young men who are gravitating that way.

01:00:36.940 That's that's what's most interesting.

01:00:38.020 That's exactly what I was fighting about on CNN is that if you continue to demonize these young boys, they are going to lean into that.

01:00:48.580 They are vomiting on your woke ideology.

01:00:52.360 And you are creating an entire generation of racists.

01:00:56.740 You are forcing them into tribalism.

01:00:58.340 This is what is so galling, so galling, watching the leftists talk about Nick Fuentes like he's a right wing problem, like he was created by right wingers and all of his followers now.

01:01:11.040 Those are created by right wingers.

01:01:12.380 That's not at all what happened.

01:01:14.200 The left has been demonizing young boys, in particular white boys, for 15 plus years now.

01:01:22.360 They get blamed for literally everything.

01:01:24.720 They have to go to school and sit through Black History Month and White Women's History Month and Pride Month.

01:01:31.300 And all the while, they're told that they're to blame for everything.

01:01:33.600 And then when it's time to apply for college, they're told you're not getting in.

01:01:36.740 You're white.

01:01:37.480 We don't take whites.

01:01:38.540 It's basically what all these schools are saying.

01:01:40.860 They get told they're toxically masculine by the same women they had to celebrate for all the months in high school.

01:01:45.640 They get out and they're they're disaffected.

01:01:47.720 They're pissed.

01:01:48.740 They're angry.

01:01:50.100 And he's giving a voice to it.

01:01:51.620 But what's so devastating is that you bring up Charlie and Charlie was clearly the bulwark to this kind of crazy.

01:02:00.340 And God, he's so missed.

01:02:03.240 He's so missed in our household.

01:02:05.960 I see my son loved him.

01:02:08.520 And they met, right?

01:02:10.080 So I actually didn't really know about Charlie.

01:02:16.000 And, you know, my son had been listening to him.

01:02:18.560 And, of course, I started to hear, like, oh, he's a racist.

01:02:21.420 Oh, and he's, you know, he's a misogynist.

01:02:23.000 And I thought, like, I should maybe just, you know, why don't I just want to sit here and just watch one of these videos with you, honey?

01:02:28.880 And we began watching Charlie Kirk together.

01:02:32.280 And we would laugh hysterically and video after video after reel.

01:02:36.840 And I thought, like, this guy's lovely.

01:02:39.620 He loves his wife.

01:02:40.840 He loves his kids.

01:02:41.960 He talks about being chivalrous on a date.

01:02:44.560 He speaks to everyone.

01:02:46.720 He works to bridge ideologies.

01:02:49.020 And I got rap music that's the most disgusting shit I have ever heard about women.

01:02:54.740 And then there's this guy telling my son how to behave like a gentleman.

01:03:01.040 Yes, please.

01:03:02.580 And it's just, he's so missed.

01:03:05.540 I know.

01:03:06.040 He's missed.

01:03:07.080 It's one of the things I want to talk to Eric about tomorrow, about Charlie and his advice for young men in particular on the dating front.

01:03:14.340 And I wonder whether she's going to pick up that mantle.

01:03:16.360 You know, I wonder whether that's something she can do.

01:03:19.700 Anyway, that's happening 24 hours from now.

01:03:22.340 It's pretty incredible.

01:03:22.920 One of the things I've been watching you speak out more and more about, and we had some of it in that clip, is the men and women's sports thing.

01:03:29.780 And the men and women's spaces thing.

01:03:32.000 Yeah.

01:03:32.500 And I got one for you.

01:03:34.700 I got one.

01:03:35.180 I can't believe we're actually talking about this.

01:03:37.000 Yeah.

01:03:37.600 I get into these conversations.

01:03:39.180 It's like, you know, the Olympics is doing a new study to see if men are stronger than women.

01:03:47.020 I'm like, get the fuck out.

01:03:48.160 Right.

01:03:48.800 Really?

01:03:49.940 Oh, my God.

01:03:50.680 What do you think they're going to find?

01:03:51.740 They've got the best scientists in the world.

01:03:53.480 That's kind of crazy.

01:03:54.100 I just cannot believe we're talking about this.

01:03:56.520 But I'm here for it.

01:03:57.560 So, you know, on that fight, it's two steps, one step forward, two steps backward.

01:04:00.820 You know, like we make progress and then we get drawn back.

01:04:03.000 And that leads me to, do you guys remember, do you remember, you know the name Kayla Lemieux?

01:04:10.000 Yeah.

01:04:10.340 A couple of you know it.

01:04:11.260 Do you remember the Canadian shop teacher?

01:04:14.560 Now you're starting to get it.

01:04:18.160 Right?

01:04:19.220 A Canadian shop teacher who is male.

01:04:21.380 Is this the Maryland teacher?

01:04:23.080 Yes.

01:04:23.500 Yes.

01:04:24.000 Okay.

01:04:24.320 I'm for sure going to jail because of you because I'd never heard of this and was Googling like, man, boobs, ninth graders.

01:04:31.580 And the FBI is showing up tonight at my door.

01:04:34.520 You'll be there with my producers.

01:04:36.060 You're good.

01:04:36.280 There's another one.

01:04:38.920 That's the setup.

01:04:39.720 So, there's another Kayla Lemieux.

01:04:41.800 Only this one's ours.

01:04:43.100 He's American.

01:04:44.420 And he's teaching ninth graders in Baltimore, Maryland.

01:04:48.780 And he is showing up like this.

01:04:52.220 Watch this video.

01:04:56.100 When the song come on, let me see you get gone.

01:04:58.840 Get gone.

01:04:59.420 Baby mama, this song.

01:05:01.160 Been pregnant for way too long.

01:05:03.460 Too long.

01:05:03.900 Now tell the DJ, turn it off.

01:05:05.240 Turn it off.

01:05:05.760 I can't believe you're getting so worked up about some guy.

01:05:09.960 This one is different.

01:05:11.080 He's honest and he's sweet.

01:05:12.540 Please.

01:05:13.000 He would never do anything to hurt me.

01:05:14.520 He's a guy.

01:05:15.360 Besides, oh, oneness.

01:05:17.580 You can't beat him.

01:05:19.480 He has no weaknesses.

01:05:21.800 He's gonna.

01:05:23.620 I think he does, Meg.

01:05:27.200 I truly think he does.

01:05:30.520 OMG.

01:05:31.520 This is broken by Libs of TikTok, Chaya Ritchett.

01:05:38.020 And also picked up by Revolve News.

01:05:40.300 This is deeply disturbing.

01:05:42.220 This is still going on in our schools in Baltimore, Maryland.

01:05:45.860 These kids have to walk in and see.

01:05:48.260 I'm not sure about the pregnancy prosthetic, but those breasts, his official school photo

01:05:53.440 has those enormous fake breasts in it.

01:05:55.760 Look at this.

01:05:57.280 What would you do if this were your son's teacher or daughter's?

01:06:01.700 I would pull him out.

01:06:05.900 I would definitely pull him out.

01:06:07.500 I would like to see some of the Jillian Michaels from The Biggest Loser deal with that person.

01:06:11.660 I actually already have had to deal with the principal over two issues this year.

01:06:15.860 Not one like this, but one where the kids were celebrating Charlie dying.

01:06:20.480 My kids were devastated.

01:06:22.740 My daughter's like, I can't believe this is happening.

01:06:24.460 I had to pull them out of school for days because they're conservative kids.

01:06:29.780 And my daughter's like, I'm like, honey, are you okay?

01:06:33.340 She's like, no, mom, of course I'm not okay.

01:06:36.240 And it's like these schools are allowing this crazy.

01:06:39.080 I don't care what this weirdo does.

01:06:40.580 I'm sorry.

01:06:41.480 I don't care what this person does in their bedroom.

01:06:44.980 But the fact that the schools are allowing this kind of crazy.

01:06:50.460 Can you imagine if you and I just showed up to teach ninth grade and started talking

01:06:53.780 about our sexual fetishes?

01:06:55.440 Not that I have any.

01:06:56.600 I don't, of course.

01:06:57.860 But can you imagine?

01:06:58.900 Like, just as a straight person or as a person who's seemingly more normal, we would be thrown

01:07:05.200 out of there in a second.

01:07:06.720 And instead, we're having to fight with crap like this.

01:07:08.900 I had one teacher go after my son for my political beliefs.

01:07:13.300 What?

01:07:13.780 And I'll throw that kid to the wolves.

01:07:15.460 I'm like, listen, you got to fight your own fights.

01:07:17.240 But this is my fight that this bastard was taking up with my son.

01:07:21.800 What was he doing?

01:07:22.460 He, my son was writing down some issues and concerns that they asked him to express with

01:07:32.200 regard to California politics.

01:07:34.360 He's like, how much time do you have?

01:07:35.420 He had a lot to say.

01:07:37.080 And the teacher's like, well, someone has clearly been brainwashed by their parents.

01:07:41.700 And he came home and, you know, he thought it was, like he could handle it, but you could

01:07:47.600 tell he was irked.

01:07:48.940 And then this guy started penalizing him and being punitive and making him.

01:07:52.140 And so he ended up in a debate with a girl about being transgender.

01:08:00.000 And she was saying, you know, trans women are women.

01:08:02.580 And he goes, so if I cut off my testicles and my penis, I'm a girl tomorrow.

01:08:08.000 And the guy punished him and sat him out of sports.

01:08:11.220 And I called the principal and I'm like, I'm confused.

01:08:13.820 Either you're allowing these debates in school or you're not, but you've penalized my son for

01:08:20.400 his position and it, what other words would you like him to use to engage in this debate?

01:08:26.340 Like this kind of crazy in school is rampant.

01:08:30.300 Do you live in Orange County?

01:08:32.260 No.

01:08:32.660 Okay.

01:08:33.200 That's your problem.

01:08:34.140 Yeah.

01:08:34.400 I know.

01:08:35.040 I know.

01:08:36.980 I know.

01:08:37.920 I know.

01:08:38.140 Have you guys had any of this with teachers?

01:08:41.900 Our poor friend who's on the school board is fighting these fights every day now.

01:08:45.640 I mean, we've had this many, many times in New York.

01:08:48.780 And of course we now famously left New York city because the teachers were so insane,

01:08:53.040 but I mean, that's true insanity.

01:08:55.760 And not only is that insanity, what we saw up there, it is a sexual fetish that he's working

01:09:01.600 out on children.

01:09:03.560 Right.

01:09:03.980 I like, I see that.

01:09:05.000 And I'm like, I don't even, I don't want to call the principal.

01:09:07.280 I want to call the police.

01:09:09.300 Like, think about it.

01:09:10.740 If a man came into school, a male teacher came into school, an actual male teacher and

01:09:15.700 wore skin tight shorts so tight, you could see every, everything.

01:09:20.960 That's what you do.

01:09:22.080 You would, you would think about calling the police on this person.

01:09:24.660 Of course you would.

01:09:25.060 How is this any different?

01:09:26.080 This is so much grosser.

01:09:27.380 But what's crazy is that the straight teacher would be thrown out of school because nobody

01:09:32.760 would worry about being called transphobic.

01:09:35.720 Yeah, that's right.

01:09:36.320 And so it's these pejoratives that they utilize to silence people.

01:09:43.480 You have to be willing to, honestly, to get up on that cross because you will pay a price.

01:09:49.980 You, you know it.

01:09:50.760 I know it.

01:09:51.420 You pay a price for calling this out.

01:09:53.160 Yes.

01:09:53.920 Did you see though, we, we now have a new friend in Joy Reid.

01:09:59.160 Yes.

01:09:59.860 Yes.

01:10:00.620 We're feeling really good about Joy Reid now.

01:10:04.240 I mean, I'm stunned to tell you I'm actually being sincere.

01:10:09.360 She came out, we'll roll the soundbite.

01:10:11.140 We played it the other day, but here, here's Joy Reid on this poor woman, Tish Hyman, who

01:10:16.700 got thrown out of the Gold's Gym, right here, who got thrown out of the Gold's Gym because

01:10:20.980 she objected to a man being in the women's locker room.

01:10:24.180 Watch.

01:10:24.380 I would be disturbed.

01:10:25.820 I'm telling you, I would be alarmed.

01:10:27.560 I'm alarmed enough when I see a woman with her dangling boobies.

01:10:31.820 Yeah.

01:10:32.360 If I saw a penis in the ladies' locker room, I would freak out too.

01:10:38.000 I don't, I would too.

01:10:39.500 This is just, I mean, this is nothing against trans anybody.

01:10:42.680 What it's saying is if I turn around and I see a pee-pee, a penis in front of me inside

01:10:49.520 of the room, I would probably go to management and say, wait a minute, why is there somebody,

01:10:53.880 a naked man in this room?

01:10:54.900 Because just the world we live in, just from a safety standpoint and just from a, you know,

01:11:00.720 from a privacy standpoint, I would, so I can see why she would have gone and reported

01:11:05.640 to management.

01:11:06.680 There's a man naked in the van.

01:11:09.220 Now, if they clarified and they said, well, trans, okay, but I think they should take her

01:11:14.140 concerns also seriously.

01:11:16.340 Because if she's uncomfortable, does she not have the right to be at least uncomfortable

01:11:20.920 with this situation, is what I'm saying.

01:11:22.880 Yeah.

01:11:24.300 I just want to say, you're welcome.

01:11:29.060 Because truly, I'm thrilled to have her join the fight.

01:11:33.180 I agree.

01:11:33.700 But the reason she joined the fight is because you joined the fight and I joined the fight

01:11:38.040 and you joined the fight and we made her join the fight.

01:11:42.020 Tish Hyman made her join the fight.

01:11:44.460 Great.

01:11:45.280 Better late than never.

01:11:46.100 Because it's her side that's the problem and they're much more likely to listen to her

01:11:49.860 than they are to us.

01:11:51.720 I, you know, I had to really stop and think about my feelings on this and I thought like,

01:11:58.580 Jillian, if you really want what's best, then you celebrate this, you commend her, you give

01:12:03.440 her her flowers and that's what, that's what we're doing.

01:12:06.860 Good for you, Joy Reid.

01:12:08.440 Thanks for joining in.

01:12:09.820 And tomorrow she'll be ripping on our white woman tears.

01:12:11.800 Yeah, no, there's that.

01:12:13.580 This woman single-handedly pushed every liberal I know out of MSNBC.

01:12:18.880 That's how intense she is.

01:12:21.220 I mean, she's, okay, she's going to help us on this issue now, but back to our other issue,

01:12:25.680 there's no one more responsible for those messages about young white men than Joy Reid.

01:12:30.640 I mean, she's not forgiven for all of that.

01:12:32.980 I mean, she's never seen a white person that she doesn't like unless, I guess there's a couple,

01:12:37.660 like the Nicole Wallace's of the world, the women who will genuflect when they see the

01:12:42.480 Joy Reid's of the world.

01:12:43.400 Like they, they, they kiss up to her.

01:12:45.740 They tell her how smart she is.

01:12:47.460 They pretend her Harvard degree is real.

01:12:49.860 Those are the, she likes those folks.

01:12:52.300 But if we're going to win on the women's sports issue and the women's rights issue, we're going

01:12:56.560 to need the Joy Reid's of the world.

01:12:57.660 We're going to need everybody because you still have massive insanity here in California

01:13:01.500 and other states just like it.

01:13:02.600 You're completely right.

01:13:03.660 And I think about how I probably was a Joy Reid kind of character to people like yourself.

01:13:10.940 And when I started to come around, you guys opened the door.

01:13:14.240 You engaged me in conversation.

01:13:15.940 You were gracious.

01:13:17.080 You didn't beat me over the head and be like, you dumb ass.

01:13:19.480 We told you for all these years.

01:13:20.960 That didn't happen.

01:13:21.640 And so, so I would like to try and be as gracious and say, thanks for contributing on this issue.

01:13:28.280 So, so tonight in the audience is a friend of mine named Carrie Prejean Bowler.

01:13:33.840 And yes, she's former beauty queen.

01:13:37.260 You may remember her as Carrie Prejean.

01:13:38.960 She's been married for a while now.

01:13:40.700 And she and Britt Mayer would come on my show together, two Californians, when we were first

01:13:46.740 launching, like 2021.

01:13:48.420 This is before, like, I was really getting serious about this issue.

01:13:51.780 And they talked about this issue in terms, I was like, oh, my God, oh, oh, oh, they would

01:13:57.260 not use preferred pronouns.

01:13:59.140 You know, they were, like, hardcore.

01:14:01.000 And we went from me being like, wow, they're, they're tough, to me being like, oh, my God,

01:14:06.480 they're my teachers.

01:14:07.860 And they, same, they were that way with me.

01:14:11.140 They were kind, they were gentle, but they stood up for their principles.

01:14:13.880 And they were two of my mentors in pulling me along on this issue.

01:14:17.300 And so I do feel the need to pay it forward to others, because I think some people use

01:14:22.180 it against you.

01:14:22.660 Like, there was a video circulating online recently about me at NBC, like, talking to

01:14:28.200 kids who said they were trans and being, you know, kind, loving, and supportive.

01:14:34.120 I wouldn't be anything other than kind and loving to so-called trans kids, which I don't

01:14:39.340 believe is a thing now, today.

01:14:41.320 But I wouldn't have messaged it anywhere near the way I did on NBC.

01:14:44.800 But I think we have to have room in our hearts for people who have come along on this, because

01:14:49.700 it used to be a minuscule number who we believe were genuinely gender confused, genuinely had

01:14:55.280 dysphoria.

01:14:56.380 And now we know it's a social contagion that's being exploited by people who want to make

01:15:01.260 money off of sterilizing our children.

01:15:04.200 That's it.

01:15:05.100 It's a multi-billion dollar industry.

01:15:09.020 You know, who speaks brilliantly about this is actually a gentleman named Chris Moritz,

01:15:12.660 who had a great episode with Tucker on this that I encourage you to watch, and he takes

01:15:18.220 you all the way down the rabbit hole, and it's terrifying stuff.

01:15:22.340 I could give you an example.

01:15:25.160 There is something, the human rights campaign, who I, oh my God, I used to donate to.

01:15:30.560 I spoke at the frickin' dinners.

01:15:32.180 I was trying to get, I was fighting for gay marriage, and things have changed.

01:15:37.940 And we've crossed that finish line quite some time ago, and now we're here.

01:15:42.880 So the human rights campaign has something called an HEI score.

01:15:47.040 So a health equity index score that they give to medical institutions like Johns Hopkins,

01:15:53.320 for example.

01:15:53.800 And if you get a bad score, if you don't provide ample gender access, gender-affirming

01:16:02.480 care, it has to be perfect, everything has to be gender-affirming care for kids, the whole

01:16:06.540 thing, if you do anything wrong, if people question it, bad score.

01:16:10.480 The bad score costs them in grants and donations, all of it, go to the page, HEI score, HRC's

01:16:19.040 website, Pfizer, the bottom.

01:16:21.400 All funded by Pfizer.

01:16:23.980 By the way, your comment reminded me, don't you think the LGB needs to break up with the

01:16:27.620 TQ?

01:16:28.960 I don't really love the umbrella to begin with.

01:16:31.800 You gotta remember, I am like a classic Gen Xer.

01:16:37.200 We wanted to get rid of labels.

01:16:39.260 It was supposed to be one race, human, love is love.

01:16:42.520 I don't know how we got here.

01:16:44.220 I'll pass on the whole acronym, thanks.

01:16:47.100 One of my audience members tonight said to me backstage, she came to the view of the

01:16:51.380 BAP, she said, I want to thank you, because she's a tall, beautiful woman, but she was

01:16:55.820 like, I was always an athlete, and they would have tried to trans me.

01:16:59.700 And it's true.

01:17:00.520 Like, they're not allowing any gender non-conformity, these lunatics on the left.

01:17:04.200 And I, too, was a tomboy, and you were a tomboy.

01:17:07.040 And we were...

01:17:07.640 The girls did turn out to be gay.

01:17:08.740 They didn't trans me, though.

01:17:10.160 I mean...

01:17:10.960 I'm straight, but they definitely would have tried to trans me, because I look like a little

01:17:14.600 boy.

01:17:15.020 I had little boy haircut.

01:17:16.580 I only wore dirty jeans.

01:17:18.040 I wanted to play in the mud.

01:17:19.560 Literally made mud pies every summer, all summer long.

01:17:21.980 Like, I was...

01:17:22.800 Didn't want to dress.

01:17:24.380 And look at me now.

01:17:26.720 I have frills.

01:17:28.000 I mean, I never wear frills.

01:17:29.600 But I'm just saying, like, that's what's so sick about it, right?

01:17:31.780 They've been proceeding with abandon with this bizarre social experiment that makes them rich

01:17:35.540 on our children.

01:17:36.400 So, I mean, that's a long way of saying, welcome, Joy Reid.

01:17:44.360 All right, we've got to wrap it up.

01:17:45.520 Jillian, I love you so much.

01:17:46.920 Thank you for everything you've done.

01:17:48.560 Thank you for doing this tonight.

01:17:53.000 Jillian Michaels, everyone.

01:17:56.260 She's so fit.

01:18:01.760 Okay.

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01:18:05.540 So, I first was introduced to Maureen Callahan.

01:18:14.400 Yeah.

01:18:15.700 When I read her.

01:18:17.820 I read her in the New York Post, and all I ever thought was,

01:18:22.080 thank God she's not mad at me.

01:18:25.960 And I fell in love with her writing,

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01:18:30.540 but you didn't know how to say it quite in the way that she could say it.

01:18:32.960 And I started putting her on the show, and at first she was a little shy, believe it or not.

01:18:37.820 She actually was a little shy.

01:18:40.100 She got past that real quick.

01:18:41.480 And now she's literally one of our favorite people and definitely favorite guests of all time.

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01:22:46.280 I am a cultural criminal prosecutor.

01:22:48.760 We really are bringing to light the underbelly of celebrity culture.

01:22:52.700 We're safe space for all trawl makers.

01:22:54.680 And just like that has been taken out back and shot.

01:22:59.080 Gosh, that's not the way I thought this was going to go.

01:23:01.080 All those celebrities befouling Venice to celebrate this bullshit.

01:23:05.220 Shit, in my opinion, allegedly, reportedly.

01:23:08.580 And someone in the back would hand that baby over.

01:23:13.780 She's the gift that keeps on giving.

01:23:15.100 She doesn't know it's comic relief, which kind of makes it even funnier.

01:23:18.880 The children of the community are the children of the community.

01:23:21.880 I have been dying to talk to you about Michelle Obama's ongoing midlife meltdown.

01:23:31.760 Her stegosaurus hairdos.

01:23:34.100 We don't articulate our pain.

01:23:37.000 We all want to know what can we do to help you.

01:23:40.980 Do something.

01:23:45.740 That's a ridiculous person.

01:23:48.180 Let's go.

01:23:49.220 That is a man who is fully emasculated, if you ask me.

01:23:54.940 Hi.

01:23:55.560 You look amazing.

01:23:56.540 You look even cooler.

01:23:58.840 I'm doing something really generous for you.

01:24:00.800 And you're going to absolutely love them.

01:24:03.300 This, we're just going to put into a different bag.

01:24:06.220 And then I just dump them.

01:24:08.320 Just like that.

01:24:09.820 Megan.

01:24:10.920 You keep saying, Megan Markle, you know I'm Sussex now.

01:24:13.620 It's very important to me.

01:24:14.800 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

01:24:15.820 It's, you know, it's a lot.

01:24:17.300 I just, I can't absorb the enormity of your life.

01:24:20.400 I don't even know.

01:24:20.720 Maybe you should put the drink down so you could pay better attention.

01:24:23.740 This is a window into the tiny little brain at work.

01:24:27.800 Nailed it.

01:24:28.720 What they would call a basic bitch.

01:24:30.420 Cheers, Mae.

01:24:31.320 Cheers, dear.

01:24:35.980 Take off space.

01:24:37.980 Have you been?

01:24:39.220 Have you been?

01:24:39.920 She's a shitty fucking excuse for a journalist.

01:24:42.560 She's no, she's no journalist, okay?

01:24:44.560 The nation indeed, like the world, is watching.

01:24:47.840 These women are under immense pressure.

01:24:49.920 They are up there with Buzz Aldrin and other space travelers who have paved the way.

01:24:54.180 Take off space.

01:24:57.800 Please don't call it a ride.

01:24:59.800 That is not a friggin' ride.

01:25:00.920 There was nothing frivolous about what we did.

01:25:07.380 Please help me welcome Maureen Callahan.

01:25:09.560 It's her.

01:25:31.320 Live.

01:25:32.640 And in the flesh.

01:25:34.280 Hi.

01:25:35.220 How amazing was that?

01:25:36.680 I have, I'm like crying.

01:25:38.180 I was like, I didn't, I don't even remember saying half of that shit.

01:25:44.040 You've definitely come out of your shell.

01:25:46.420 I, yeah, when you said when I started coming on, I was very shy.

01:25:49.680 I was so shy.

01:25:51.160 I was so, I don't know, you sort of teased something out of me.

01:25:56.220 Like, I think you saw a little bit of our share.

01:26:00.200 Like, we do have a shared perverse sense of humor.

01:26:04.180 Yes.

01:26:04.380 For sure.

01:26:05.440 100%.

01:26:05.880 When the Blonde Origin came on, as Jillian was backstage, I said, I forgot about that.

01:26:11.980 Because we've done so much in so little time.

01:26:14.540 So many of them.

01:26:15.580 Yeah.

01:26:15.940 Well, it was your writing.

01:26:16.900 Your writing showed me who you were.

01:26:18.720 And then when you were on camera in the beginning, you had natural, like, nerves.

01:26:22.360 But it was clear to me who the person was.

01:26:25.140 And if you can just get past those nerves, I knew that person would start talking to me on the TV.

01:26:29.040 And that's exactly what happened.

01:26:30.440 And now you're in full flower, man.

01:26:32.520 It's the most fun.

01:26:34.100 The nerve is the most fun.

01:26:36.940 And I get to work it all out with so many of you like-minded people.

01:26:42.160 I didn't know there were so many out there.

01:26:44.200 Yes.

01:26:44.360 So, I mean, we might as well start with Meghan Markle.

01:26:52.480 She's your problem now.

01:26:53.840 She lives with you.

01:26:56.500 True.

01:26:57.160 I should have actually, before you came on stage, said, like, the Queen of Mean, Maureen Callaghan.

01:27:04.700 And I want people to call me the monarch of media, Meghan Kelly.

01:27:10.520 Like, we should not walk into any room without being announced, because that's what the Duchess of Sussex would like.

01:27:17.480 Well, this was, this is, like, when I read it, I thought this can't be real.

01:27:22.320 I actually read the paragraph over to make sure it was too good.

01:27:27.220 So, she's got this journalist who is going to visit her at this borrowed Upper East Side townhouse.

01:27:34.020 And it doesn't say who owns the townhouse, but they're wealthy enough to have a glass elevator.

01:27:39.980 Not for nothing, it might be Amy Griffin.

01:27:43.040 Stop.

01:27:43.540 It might be.

01:27:44.280 She has a big townhouse on the Upper East Side.

01:27:46.040 The one who wrote the tell that Maureen took down.

01:27:49.940 Yeah.

01:27:50.400 But, anyway, keep going.

01:27:51.780 So, the journalist shows up and knocks on the door, and some kind of house manager answers the door.

01:27:57.940 And Meghan is nowhere to be seen, apparently, but she's in the house somewhere.

01:28:03.760 There's nobody else in the house.

01:28:05.820 And then the house manager says,

01:28:08.840 Meghan, Duchess of Sussex!

01:28:12.220 And it's so deep, it's so unhinged.

01:28:15.880 It's like, it's Norma Desmond on steroids.

01:28:18.940 Yes!

01:28:19.720 Like, it's not even like Meghan is the one arriving.

01:28:23.920 Right!

01:28:24.620 You would think she would...

01:28:25.520 She's already in the house.

01:28:26.900 But where are we coming from?

01:28:28.960 Like, the cupboard?

01:28:31.520 Like...

01:28:32.280 Like, the sofa?

01:28:33.980 Were we in the attic, going through...

01:28:36.100 You know, it's so...

01:28:37.400 Like, I was thinking it would be like going to your studio.

01:28:40.880 Normally, when I go there, like, Abby's there, and that's it.

01:28:44.420 Yep.

01:28:44.920 And you're not even there yet, half the time.

01:28:47.000 And it would be like her opening the door for me and going,

01:28:50.280 Meghan Kelly!

01:28:52.240 Queen of podcasting!

01:28:54.180 With you nowhere to be seen.

01:28:56.340 Yeah.

01:28:56.900 I actually pulled her Harper's Bazaar article.

01:29:01.100 We talked about it the other day a little bit with Link,

01:29:03.440 but I thought there was more gold to be mined here.

01:29:07.080 So, I want to go through a couple of these quotes, okay?

01:29:12.360 You pointed this out on the nerve.

01:29:14.120 We didn't get to it.

01:29:15.340 Has there ever been an article written about Meghan Markle

01:29:17.740 that did not raise the 11-year-old little Meghan Markle,

01:29:23.600 and you know what she did, Maureen?

01:29:26.580 Yes.

01:29:27.180 She wrote a letter to a dish detergent company.

01:29:30.980 Yes.

01:29:32.060 It was...

01:29:32.900 She was assailing the patriarchy.

01:29:36.080 This origin story bugs me like no other

01:29:38.720 because she makes it sound like it was an auto-generated act

01:29:42.320 of incipient feminism, and really it was a class project.

01:29:47.240 Oh, it was?

01:29:47.860 Yes!

01:29:48.000 I didn't know that.

01:29:48.740 It was a class project, and I would like to put out an open call,

01:29:52.680 just much as at the nerve we're looking for Stedman Graham.

01:29:56.160 I think he's buried somewhere on that estate in Montecito.

01:30:00.880 We have a silver alert out for him.

01:30:05.260 I would like anyone who went to school with Meghan in sixth grade,

01:30:09.780 like any of the boys especially who wrote that letter to...

01:30:12.740 What was it?

01:30:13.840 Like Procter & Gamble?

01:30:14.740 Procter & Gamble, yep.

01:30:16.700 They managed to put that into every article about her

01:30:19.200 because they want you to know how incredibly strong and brave she was,

01:30:22.920 even at age 11, and that winds up in this article as well.

01:30:27.660 The writer says,

01:30:28.720 When I ask Meghan what she hopes her kids see when they see her working,

01:30:33.680 she tells me,

01:30:35.340 I hope they see the value of being brave.

01:30:38.940 Sure.

01:30:39.380 Okay, but then here's the best part.

01:30:41.100 She follows it up with,

01:30:42.240 they saw it when the jam was just a pot on the stove bubbling.

01:30:48.640 Like, what?

01:30:50.660 So she's courage because she boiled the jam

01:30:54.000 and the children saw the jam boil,

01:30:56.580 which is their inspo to be courageous?

01:31:00.840 I'm going to push back a little.

01:31:02.720 I want to give some credit for her bravery.

01:31:04.880 We talked about this, like, just last week on your show.

01:31:09.420 I nominate this for photo of the year, as I said to Meghan.

01:31:12.780 Like, you can give me images of war-tour in Ukraine, anything.

01:31:17.820 The image of a drunken Prince Harry

01:31:21.020 leering at Kris Jenner's rack

01:31:24.600 at her 70th birthday party

01:31:27.120 while Meghan stands there like an imbecile

01:31:29.700 just beaming at Kris

01:31:31.860 while her loser husband is over here like,

01:31:34.300 oh, oh, oh.

01:31:36.820 That's some bravery.

01:31:38.020 She's taken some flack this week.

01:31:39.960 That actually was pretty courageous of her.

01:31:43.160 All right, wait, and I have one more.

01:31:45.620 Okay.

01:31:45.880 This is bizarre.

01:31:47.440 This is the first time I've actually brought notes

01:31:49.320 out to the stage on this tour,

01:31:50.400 but this is just too good.

01:31:51.540 I have Maureen here,

01:31:52.340 I have Meghan Markle and Harper's,

01:31:53.640 and what I have here is the weirdest comment about Harry.

01:32:00.000 She puts her hand on her heart

01:32:01.900 when she talks about her husband.

01:32:04.300 Don't you all do that

01:32:05.240 when you're talking about your husband?

01:32:06.760 I never, I don't go anywhere with it.

01:32:08.700 My D, my D.

01:32:12.300 That sounds weird.

01:32:13.600 You're not pledging allegiance to your D?

01:32:17.360 Okay.

01:32:17.960 So she says,

01:32:20.380 H,

01:32:22.020 he loves me

01:32:22.940 so boldly,

01:32:25.340 fully.

01:32:26.820 And then she says,

01:32:28.560 no one in the world

01:32:29.480 loves me more than Harry.

01:32:32.240 Now that's a strange thing.

01:32:33.640 I'm sorry,

01:32:34.120 but literally think about it.

01:32:35.320 Just take a second to think about it.

01:32:37.220 Whoever talks about their spouse that way,

01:32:39.400 like, have I,

01:32:40.140 no one loves me more than Doug.

01:32:42.600 Who's ranking the love in their life?

01:32:45.040 And like,

01:32:45.820 and the spouse is number one,

01:32:47.300 he's number one,

01:32:47.860 he loves me more than anybody.

01:32:49.460 Meanwhile,

01:32:49.720 I don't think it's a stiff competition

01:32:50.920 in Meghan Markle's life.

01:32:52.880 Oh, great point.

01:32:54.360 Great point.

01:32:56.600 It's also,

01:32:57.840 it's evidence,

01:32:58.720 A,

01:32:58.860 that she's a terrible actress.

01:33:00.640 She's,

01:33:01.220 you know,

01:33:01.980 it's very literal.

01:33:04.500 And then,

01:33:05.340 she's always saying

01:33:07.140 how much he loves her

01:33:09.300 without ever saying

01:33:10.880 how much she loves him.

01:33:13.240 Yes,

01:33:13.560 her narcissism.

01:33:14.840 Right?

01:33:15.420 It's complete narcissism.

01:33:16.900 It's the same with the children.

01:33:18.500 Like,

01:33:18.740 the writing of the letters

01:33:19.940 of the emails every night

01:33:21.280 to both individually

01:33:22.680 before bed,

01:33:23.620 which is not happening,

01:33:24.840 but she says,

01:33:26.060 is so that when they get older,

01:33:27.460 they can see how much

01:33:28.580 she loved them.

01:33:30.940 And my prediction is

01:33:32.060 they will both be leaving

01:33:33.300 the continental United States

01:33:34.960 as soon as they're of age.

01:33:36.180 Never to return.

01:33:37.400 Totally.

01:33:37.860 Especially when they find out

01:33:38.680 they have whole castles

01:33:39.780 that are available to them.

01:33:40.760 Multiple castles.

01:33:41.740 Now that Andrew's

01:33:42.740 out of the picture,

01:33:43.620 things have loosened up

01:33:44.540 even more.

01:33:45.360 Hanging out with Tyler Perry.

01:33:47.340 Yeah.

01:33:47.680 With the King of England.

01:33:50.120 Okay,

01:33:50.720 so she's the gift

01:33:51.440 that keeps on giving.

01:33:52.380 Now,

01:33:53.040 there are another

01:33:54.200 couple of weirdos

01:33:55.460 from California again,

01:33:57.300 I'm sorry,

01:33:58.420 that we need to get to

01:33:59.560 that you and I

01:34:00.000 have not yet had

01:34:00.680 the chance to discuss.

01:34:02.240 And they are

01:34:03.120 Ariana Grande

01:34:04.320 and Cynthia Erivo,

01:34:07.340 the stars of Wicked.

01:34:09.820 I mean,

01:34:10.020 our whole night

01:34:10.600 has turned into

01:34:11.160 sort of an LGBTQ theme

01:34:12.700 between Moynihan

01:34:13.460 moving in

01:34:14.020 with one of our

01:34:14.700 audience members,

01:34:15.540 I couldn't tell

01:34:16.040 if it was a man or a woman,

01:34:17.340 and my discussion

01:34:18.120 with Jillian.

01:34:18.820 And now you tell me

01:34:19.700 whether these two

01:34:20.540 are on an LGBTQ quest

01:34:23.520 because Cynthia

01:34:25.800 is openly non-binary

01:34:27.800 and she,

01:34:30.140 there's no they,

01:34:31.000 Cynthia,

01:34:31.440 sorry,

01:34:32.120 was on the cover

01:34:32.780 of GQ,

01:34:34.840 like the men's issue.

01:34:36.360 Tracks.

01:34:37.080 Okay.

01:34:37.320 But something's going on

01:34:39.220 between these two

01:34:39.940 and I don't know

01:34:40.820 what it is.

01:34:42.020 Here's a little.

01:34:43.220 Today we get to do

01:34:44.420 popular.

01:34:45.280 Can you believe

01:34:45.900 that we're doing

01:34:46.560 something so great?

01:34:49.180 That joy he wanted

01:34:50.540 to infuse in every frame.

01:34:55.080 Like he shook the arm

01:34:56.520 too hard

01:34:57.140 and she had to like

01:34:58.420 caress it

01:34:58.980 and then she was

01:34:59.940 picking at the

01:35:00.580 diamond necklace

01:35:01.320 and they've basically

01:35:02.600 been all over each other.

01:35:04.260 Oh yeah.

01:35:04.720 Have you seen the,

01:35:05.660 the one of them

01:35:06.360 on the red carpet

01:35:07.160 where Ariana

01:35:08.080 is doing an interview

01:35:09.640 and she's fine

01:35:10.840 and Cynthia Erivo,

01:35:12.500 she'd take those

01:35:13.040 long coffin nails

01:35:14.160 come in

01:35:14.820 and she starts

01:35:15.500 digging under

01:35:17.040 Ariana's collar

01:35:18.240 and very theatrically

01:35:19.480 like moving

01:35:20.680 the necklace around

01:35:21.840 and it's,

01:35:23.440 you see these

01:35:24.460 interviews with them

01:35:25.160 and I,

01:35:25.940 if I were

01:35:26.840 conducting an interview

01:35:27.960 like that,

01:35:28.700 which I wouldn't be

01:35:29.460 because it's not

01:35:30.160 my trade anymore,

01:35:31.200 but you know,

01:35:33.220 I would say like

01:35:33.920 should I leave?

01:35:34.820 I realize this is

01:35:35.780 like a press tour

01:35:36.900 for your movie,

01:35:38.380 but like it seems

01:35:39.100 like you two

01:35:39.740 would care to be alone.

01:35:41.760 I'd like to leave.

01:35:43.200 I'm uncomfortable.

01:35:45.140 They're so bizarre

01:35:46.320 and I don't know

01:35:47.180 whether this is

01:35:47.680 a publicity thing,

01:35:48.980 Maureen.

01:35:49.340 Do you think

01:35:49.640 this is all for publicity?

01:35:50.600 I think it's kind of both.

01:35:51.700 I think it's weird.

01:35:52.820 I think it's like

01:35:53.480 part of it is like

01:35:54.560 they're getting

01:35:54.920 a ton of clicks,

01:35:56.960 like eyeballs

01:35:57.600 or eyeballs.

01:35:58.500 It's kind of like

01:35:59.280 Liam Neeson

01:36:01.160 and Pam Anderson.

01:36:02.260 Is that fake?

01:36:02.760 That was fake.

01:36:03.920 That was fake?

01:36:05.180 That was fake.

01:36:06.200 I think she needs

01:36:06.780 a little makeup.

01:36:08.400 I agree with you.

01:36:09.680 I agree with you.

01:36:11.060 This is my problem

01:36:11.940 with Pam Anderson.

01:36:13.360 That is at least

01:36:14.640 one facelift.

01:36:16.920 At least one facelift.

01:36:18.420 So you can't go around

01:36:19.720 going like

01:36:20.220 I'm all natural

01:36:21.320 and I'm showing you

01:36:22.200 how to age

01:36:23.000 without makeup

01:36:24.880 when you've had

01:36:26.380 probably a deep

01:36:28.000 plain facelift.

01:36:29.080 Yes.

01:36:29.420 Yeah.

01:36:29.600 How do you feel

01:36:30.420 about the recent

01:36:31.380 rejection of the

01:36:32.260 body positivity

01:36:33.100 movements?

01:36:34.080 Right?

01:36:34.400 That we're no longer

01:36:35.400 celebrating fat.

01:36:36.740 We are admitting

01:36:37.700 that thin is healthier

01:36:39.220 and more attractive

01:36:40.600 and makes you feel better.

01:36:41.780 Like Amy Schumer

01:36:43.100 who's now

01:36:43.780 like at this moment

01:36:44.820 scrubbing all the fat

01:36:45.740 photos from her Instagram

01:36:46.780 so we can only see

01:36:48.240 the newly thin

01:36:48.940 Amy Schumer.

01:36:50.660 Thanks a lot

01:36:51.220 say all the girls

01:36:52.040 who packed on the pounds

01:36:53.520 thinking they'd be

01:36:54.300 really happy

01:36:55.080 like Amy Schumer

01:36:55.980 and can't afford

01:36:57.180 the Manjaro

01:36:57.900 and the trainer

01:36:58.800 and the new clothing

01:36:59.920 and the chef

01:37:01.740 and all the things

01:37:02.760 Amy Schumer

01:37:03.320 can have

01:37:04.140 to get a thin.

01:37:04.920 Amy's husband

01:37:05.920 is a chef.

01:37:09.080 That worked out.

01:37:11.360 So I have several

01:37:12.960 theories about

01:37:13.680 Amy Schumer

01:37:14.240 and the whole

01:37:14.820 body positivity

01:37:15.740 like the abandonment

01:37:17.220 of it.

01:37:17.900 So she

01:37:18.580 has scrubbed

01:37:19.980 all but four photos

01:37:21.820 from Instagram

01:37:22.660 and she's currently

01:37:23.840 engaged in conducting

01:37:26.000 private photo shoots

01:37:27.580 at someone's house

01:37:29.240 where she's doing

01:37:30.240 the broken doll poses

01:37:31.460 which is like

01:37:32.440 what the super skinny

01:37:33.540 models do

01:37:34.020 and her kid

01:37:35.100 is like basically

01:37:35.820 in all manner

01:37:36.560 of like life

01:37:37.360 threatening positions

01:37:38.340 and she's just like

01:37:39.560 but I'm skinny.

01:37:40.420 I'm skinny.

01:37:41.080 Look at me.

01:37:42.300 I also think

01:37:43.400 that so she

01:37:44.860 made a huge deal

01:37:45.940 about her husband

01:37:46.660 being autistic.

01:37:48.880 Did you know this?

01:37:49.800 Her husband's autistic?

01:37:51.040 No.

01:37:51.800 He's just an asshole.

01:37:52.600 But that was her

01:37:56.300 very tortured

01:37:57.260 explanation

01:37:58.400 for why she was

01:37:59.420 with this guy

01:38:00.200 for years

01:38:00.960 who she would say

01:38:02.040 do I look good

01:38:02.880 and he would say

01:38:03.560 no.

01:38:05.420 Well he's autistic.

01:38:07.260 He's on the spectrum

01:38:08.160 Megan.

01:38:09.140 Yeah.

01:38:09.880 That explains it.

01:38:11.160 Yeah.

01:38:12.840 I'm a little over

01:38:13.760 the body positivity

01:38:14.520 thing I have to say

01:38:15.300 that the fake

01:38:15.800 body positivity

01:38:16.660 because that's

01:38:17.040 what we're realizing

01:38:17.420 was all fake.

01:38:18.340 They never believed it.

01:38:19.820 All they really wanted

01:38:20.520 was Ozempic

01:38:21.520 as soon as it was available

01:38:22.460 they all ran on it

01:38:23.580 and now

01:38:24.360 I mean at least

01:38:24.840 she admits it.

01:38:26.020 I think you know

01:38:26.540 a lot of these people

01:38:27.080 like want you to believe

01:38:27.800 like the Jennifer Aniston

01:38:28.720 it's just water.

01:38:29.840 It's just water.

01:38:30.720 I just drink a lot of water.

01:38:32.720 That's it.

01:38:35.940 Lizzo was the same way.

01:38:38.080 Who?

01:38:38.560 Lizzo.

01:38:39.500 Oh.

01:38:40.860 You know

01:38:41.280 who was like very

01:38:42.260 it was almost

01:38:42.860 a militant stance

01:38:44.140 and now she's lost

01:38:45.260 half her body weight too.

01:38:46.860 Totally.

01:38:47.400 What about all the fat people

01:38:48.520 they left behind?

01:38:49.360 Where's Oprah

01:38:51.660 in this fight?

01:38:52.440 Where is Oprah?

01:38:54.000 Well.

01:38:54.800 Fresh dirt on

01:38:55.760 Stedman's grave

01:38:56.580 in Montecito.

01:38:57.740 That's where she's at.

01:38:58.240 I think we know

01:38:58.680 where she is.

01:38:59.940 Now I've seen you

01:39:00.680 taking aim lately

01:39:01.780 at Sarah Jessica Parker.

01:39:04.040 Indeed.

01:39:04.920 And not only

01:39:05.600 for her terrible

01:39:06.340 program

01:39:07.320 Sex and the City

01:39:08.460 reboot.

01:39:09.180 Indeed.

01:39:10.020 But you've got

01:39:10.760 some questions

01:39:11.280 about whether

01:39:11.780 she's authentic

01:39:12.840 Maureen

01:39:13.340 and whether

01:39:13.760 she does things

01:39:14.740 like actually

01:39:15.520 wears the Beats

01:39:16.340 head bones

01:39:16.900 on the subway

01:39:18.620 in New York.

01:39:20.660 You thought

01:39:21.460 that might be

01:39:22.140 as the kids say

01:39:23.060 inauthentic.

01:39:24.780 Inauthentic.

01:39:25.220 Here she is.

01:39:25.820 Oh yeah.

01:39:27.760 There she is.

01:39:29.960 She's just stars.

01:39:31.100 They're just like us.

01:39:32.120 They ride the subway.

01:39:35.060 Yeah.

01:39:35.520 Sure.

01:39:35.700 This is totally authentic.

01:39:37.520 Look.

01:39:37.820 She thinks

01:39:38.200 she's so cool.

01:39:40.220 She's just hanging out

01:39:41.580 down in Stonewall.

01:39:42.860 That's no accident.

01:39:44.700 Because she's an ally

01:39:45.780 Megan.

01:39:46.320 Oh yeah.

01:39:46.980 With Stonewall.

01:39:48.640 You're right.

01:39:49.540 She's in like

01:39:50.360 80 pounds of hair

01:39:51.240 extensions.

01:39:52.680 Jewelry that none

01:39:53.360 of us would ever

01:39:53.980 openly wear on the

01:39:55.080 subway.

01:39:55.640 Right.

01:39:55.960 With our nose

01:39:56.520 in a book

01:39:57.160 and huge beat.

01:39:58.380 Like I will never

01:39:59.240 blame a victim

01:39:59.980 but you are

01:40:02.080 asking for it.

01:40:03.340 You are telegraphing

01:40:04.960 to the nearest

01:40:05.660 mentally ill

01:40:06.360 homeless person.

01:40:07.620 I would love it

01:40:08.260 if you would

01:40:08.640 shove me on the

01:40:09.400 tracks.

01:40:10.140 Victim here.

01:40:10.580 That would be

01:40:11.120 really authentic.

01:40:12.020 Why do we

01:40:16.460 dislike Sarah

01:40:17.080 Jessica Parker?

01:40:18.800 I think I

01:40:19.640 find her

01:40:20.360 extremely saccharine

01:40:21.940 and sweet

01:40:23.020 and like

01:40:23.580 overly girlish

01:40:25.080 and if you really

01:40:25.800 think about her

01:40:26.540 voice you know

01:40:27.100 it's a biological

01:40:27.820 fact that

01:40:28.700 as we age

01:40:29.700 our voices

01:40:30.240 get deeper.

01:40:31.520 Men are women.

01:40:32.600 She's always

01:40:33.400 like this.

01:40:34.960 She's like

01:40:35.780 60 and it's

01:40:36.860 not like she's

01:40:37.560 baby Jane.

01:40:39.040 She is just

01:40:39.760 wearing 80 pounds

01:40:40.800 of hair extensions

01:40:41.720 and running

01:40:42.800 down cobblestones

01:40:44.000 in New York

01:40:44.660 in 6 inch heels.

01:40:46.360 We're not worried

01:40:46.940 about breaking

01:40:47.560 an ankle

01:40:48.160 let alone

01:40:48.620 that's why

01:40:49.100 I call her

01:40:49.580 my favorite

01:40:50.160 sprightly

01:40:50.740 900 year old

01:40:51.780 heroine.

01:40:53.700 No one's as bad

01:40:54.740 as Jamie Kern Lima

01:40:56.160 on the high voice.

01:40:58.140 You know that one

01:40:58.600 who interviewed

01:40:59.100 Meghan Markle

01:40:59.820 and she came up

01:41:00.680 with IT Cosmetics

01:41:01.600 IT Cosmetics

01:41:02.420 made a bunch of

01:41:03.560 but her voice

01:41:04.800 has gone

01:41:05.120 I can't even do it

01:41:06.500 mine's too low.

01:41:07.280 It's so annoying.

01:41:08.820 It's like helium

01:41:10.140 like you suck

01:41:10.680 up under

01:41:10.880 it's like

01:41:11.280 oh yes

01:41:12.920 the power

01:41:14.760 of yet

01:41:15.560 it's my friend

01:41:17.360 Meghan Markle

01:41:18.760 Meghan

01:41:19.760 and you know

01:41:20.800 Meghan like

01:41:21.440 fucking hates her

01:41:22.760 right

01:41:23.240 she's a billionaire

01:41:24.960 she's up in Montecito

01:41:26.600 she's got like

01:41:27.240 next to no friends

01:41:28.440 this woman has a podcast

01:41:29.580 she has a ton of money

01:41:30.960 so you know

01:41:32.100 There's no one

01:41:34.600 less happy

01:41:35.260 than Michelle Obama.

01:41:38.440 have you been

01:41:39.740 stunned

01:41:40.000 we really haven't

01:41:41.280 had a chance

01:41:41.740 to talk about

01:41:42.380 her racism

01:41:43.140 we've talked

01:41:44.080 about her

01:41:44.700 misery

01:41:45.500 and her hatred

01:41:47.020 for Barack

01:41:47.660 that's obvious

01:41:48.280 but the racism

01:41:50.060 was kind of

01:41:50.740 a new

01:41:51.360 strain

01:41:52.520 that she decided

01:41:53.260 to let loose

01:41:53.960 just in time

01:41:54.520 for her book tour

01:41:55.200 it's a weird way

01:41:55.840 to market a book

01:41:56.560 I hate whites

01:41:57.920 maybe there's a market

01:41:59.960 for that

01:42:00.360 she put like

01:42:00.980 a fresh topspin

01:42:02.360 on that old

01:42:03.340 hoary baseball

01:42:04.500 now we've got

01:42:05.400 racism coming our way

01:42:06.580 it's exciting

01:42:07.360 it's exciting

01:42:08.540 right

01:42:08.900 it is kind of exciting

01:42:10.120 I'm not gonna lie

01:42:11.080 whenever I see

01:42:11.640 she's done a new

01:42:12.160 interview

01:42:12.420 I'm like

01:42:12.780 play play play

01:42:13.380 play play

01:42:13.700 it is exciting

01:42:16.600 what do you think

01:42:18.140 that is

01:42:18.620 just non-stop

01:42:19.500 grievance

01:42:20.080 like it's misery

01:42:20.980 it really kind of

01:42:21.760 does go under

01:42:22.780 the general theme

01:42:23.500 of misery

01:42:24.860 doesn't have a nice

01:42:26.160 thing to say

01:42:26.560 about the country

01:42:27.220 the husband

01:42:28.280 motherhood

01:42:29.560 being first lady

01:42:31.100 living in the

01:42:32.020 white house

01:42:32.560 or whites

01:42:33.600 I do have a theory

01:42:36.100 so

01:42:36.800 and I think

01:42:37.580 this is a tether

01:42:38.380 between Meghan

01:42:39.400 Markle

01:42:40.060 and Michelle Obama

01:42:41.560 it makes them

01:42:44.000 special

01:42:44.480 and it makes them

01:42:45.460 seem serious

01:42:46.560 like they're not

01:42:48.000 really deep intellects

01:42:49.320 they're not

01:42:49.700 original thinkers

01:42:50.680 they're not funny

01:42:51.940 Maureen she went

01:42:52.700 to Princeton

01:42:53.200 we've talked about

01:42:55.180 the thesis right

01:42:56.120 yes

01:42:56.880 and we've talked

01:42:57.940 about the

01:42:58.220 affirmative action

01:42:58.940 yeah

01:42:59.520 and like

01:43:00.040 Christopher Hitchens

01:43:00.840 the late great

01:43:01.720 Christopher Hitchens

01:43:02.440 found that thesis

01:43:03.360 and it was very

01:43:03.960 controversial

01:43:04.580 because this was

01:43:05.820 when the Obamas

01:43:06.560 were first aborning

01:43:07.580 and you know

01:43:08.140 everybody was

01:43:08.580 falling in love

01:43:09.140 with them

01:43:09.620 and he said

01:43:11.180 not according to her

01:43:11.940 not according to her

01:43:13.760 not according to her

01:43:14.780 revisionist history

01:43:15.720 and he said

01:43:16.400 he read that thesis

01:43:17.720 and it was nothing

01:43:19.060 resembling the English

01:43:20.080 language

01:43:20.540 he couldn't make

01:43:21.460 heads or tails of it

01:43:22.500 and I believe

01:43:23.520 I found the same thesis

01:43:24.580 and he was dead on

01:43:25.760 like it makes

01:43:26.880 zero sense

01:43:28.440 so I don't know

01:43:29.560 how you can

01:43:30.280 be granted

01:43:31.420 entree to an

01:43:32.480 Ivy League

01:43:33.360 lesser competitive

01:43:35.000 no offense to anyone

01:43:35.980 who went to Princeton

01:43:36.680 and then become

01:43:38.640 the first black

01:43:39.380 first lady

01:43:40.120 and then say

01:43:41.020 America is super racist

01:43:43.080 except for those

01:43:43.980 two times

01:43:44.720 they overwhelmingly

01:43:46.240 and enthusiastically

01:43:47.400 voted your husband

01:43:48.320 into office

01:43:49.020 and the likes of

01:43:50.200 Brad Pitt and Oprah

01:43:51.100 were crying

01:43:51.820 in Chicago's

01:43:52.920 Park

01:43:53.860 and put you

01:43:54.400 on the magazine

01:43:54.980 covers

01:43:55.400 and made you

01:43:56.120 personally rich

01:43:57.180 and talked about

01:43:57.880 you being the answer

01:43:58.980 to Democrat politics

01:44:00.080 and possibly the next

01:44:01.360 presidential candidate

01:44:02.040 I think we can all agree

01:44:03.260 that ship has sailed

01:44:04.460 don't you think

01:44:05.120 she's ruined her own brand

01:44:07.220 I think that's

01:44:08.920 that's probably true

01:44:09.580 all right

01:44:09.800 no wait

01:44:10.080 in the time we have left

01:44:11.000 I want to talk about you

01:44:11.880 you madam

01:44:13.120 all right

01:44:14.360 how'd you get this way

01:44:16.680 oh I'm the product

01:44:19.040 of a difficult home

01:44:20.300 and so like

01:44:23.280 you learn how to

01:44:24.400 read a room

01:44:25.280 very very quickly

01:44:27.080 like by the time

01:44:27.940 I was eight

01:44:28.580 I likened myself

01:44:30.560 to at the level

01:44:31.380 of like a top

01:44:32.960 FBI criminal profiler

01:44:34.680 like I can tell

01:44:35.480 get out

01:44:36.260 get out of the room

01:44:37.120 it's about to blow up

01:44:38.360 very useful

01:44:39.700 and I also just

01:44:41.900 I

01:44:42.420 the people I've always

01:44:44.080 really admired the most

01:44:45.260 but like in a fun way

01:44:46.520 like just

01:44:46.940 just drawn to them

01:44:48.260 very compelling

01:44:49.420 were always the people

01:44:51.560 who would say the thing

01:44:52.700 everyone was thinking

01:44:53.680 but was too afraid to say

01:44:55.480 because you think like

01:44:56.260 no one else can be

01:44:57.260 thinking this way right

01:44:58.280 like people

01:44:58.980 but like the George Carlin's

01:45:00.800 of the world

01:45:01.460 the Joan Rivers

01:45:02.400 of the world

01:45:03.400 like

01:45:03.760 you're in that category

01:45:05.780 you say what you think

01:45:06.980 and you know

01:45:07.580 you catch a lot of

01:45:08.440 flack sometimes

01:45:09.260 but you don't care

01:45:10.440 no I don't

01:45:11.060 and that's

01:45:11.660 that's like a superpower

01:45:13.080 it's so liberating

01:45:14.780 it really is

01:45:15.840 and you know

01:45:16.340 I have noticed

01:45:17.460 because I've only been

01:45:18.740 doing it for

01:45:19.600 you know a few years

01:45:20.640 because when I was on

01:45:21.800 Fox

01:45:22.280 I didn't really

01:45:23.480 I wasn't really in the

01:45:24.200 opinion giving business

01:45:25.140 I was much more

01:45:26.000 of a hard news person

01:45:26.920 but the more you do it

01:45:28.360 the easier it gets

01:45:29.260 and that's something

01:45:30.280 for everybody to know

01:45:31.120 the more you do it

01:45:32.100 the easier it gets

01:45:32.880 and it is liberating

01:45:34.260 like the shirts

01:45:34.880 read free free free

01:45:36.260 it is liberating

01:45:37.460 to say

01:45:38.020 what's real

01:45:39.560 you know

01:45:40.380 and you can only do it

01:45:41.640 with practice

01:45:42.260 anyway you do it

01:45:43.760 but you also do it

01:45:44.600 with humor

01:45:45.040 so is there

01:45:45.880 is it just the Irish

01:45:46.840 thing

01:45:47.200 how did you become

01:45:48.200 so funny

01:45:48.680 well that's

01:45:49.560 thank you

01:45:50.220 I mean both of my

01:45:51.120 parents were very

01:45:51.980 funny people

01:45:52.840 it's definitely

01:45:55.340 part Irish

01:45:56.180 it's definitely

01:45:57.000 part

01:45:57.500 I think

01:45:59.000 to me the funniest

01:46:00.240 thing

01:46:00.740 the biggest power

01:46:02.600 is if you can

01:46:03.280 laugh at somebody

01:46:04.300 or something

01:46:05.000 instead of

01:46:05.740 giving in to them

01:46:07.460 just making you

01:46:08.140 angry

01:46:08.600 or bitter

01:46:09.520 like if you can

01:46:10.220 see the lunacy

01:46:11.420 or the

01:46:12.360 just how utter

01:46:14.440 like Meghan Markle

01:46:15.660 is such a perfect

01:46:16.540 like our

01:46:17.160 with love Meghan

01:46:18.080 like that thing

01:46:19.660 wrote itself

01:46:20.460 because she makes

01:46:22.060 us all crazy

01:46:22.960 and we all

01:46:23.380 fucking hate her

01:46:24.220 and want her

01:46:24.620 to go away

01:46:25.140 and she'll never

01:46:25.840 go away

01:46:26.560 so let's laugh

01:46:27.680 at her

01:46:28.000 let's like

01:46:28.480 yeah

01:46:28.900 people wrote in

01:46:30.280 saying how did

01:46:30.880 you guys learn

01:46:31.360 your lines

01:46:31.960 like there was

01:46:35.140 a script

01:46:35.660 we had no lines

01:46:36.620 we just

01:46:37.620 were in character

01:46:38.580 and it was very easy

01:46:39.660 if you watched her

01:46:40.380 for two minutes

01:46:40.920 you know exactly

01:46:41.520 how to play her

01:46:42.140 and also her

01:46:43.480 submissive

01:46:44.360 terrified friends

01:46:45.980 her

01:46:46.560 oh Daniel

01:46:47.680 Daniel was

01:46:48.440 I would like

01:46:49.000 if I ever

01:46:49.880 win an award

01:46:50.640 for acting

01:46:51.460 which now

01:46:52.100 we're in the

01:46:52.760 acting world

01:46:53.460 you and I

01:46:54.200 could happen

01:46:54.740 astronauts

01:46:55.380 acting

01:46:56.260 what have you

01:46:57.000 I would like

01:46:58.000 to

01:46:58.340 we've been

01:46:58.580 yeah

01:46:59.400 we do it all

01:47:00.380 I would like

01:47:01.020 to thank Daniel

01:47:01.800 he was my

01:47:02.520 inspiration

01:47:03.100 I studied him

01:47:04.940 for hours

01:47:06.240 and hours

01:47:06.980 you know

01:47:07.580 she has

01:47:08.120 we're being

01:47:08.540 very tough

01:47:09.020 on her

01:47:09.220 but she has

01:47:09.620 a Christmas

01:47:10.140 special

01:47:10.500 coming up

01:47:10.960 Maureen

01:47:11.260 I'm sure

01:47:11.660 you're going

01:47:11.860 to be getting

01:47:12.180 your holiday

01:47:13.260 decorating tips

01:47:14.200 from it

01:47:14.720 do we feel

01:47:15.660 this is a resurgence

01:47:16.500 in her popularity

01:47:17.920 here domestically

01:47:18.880 well

01:47:20.100 I don't know

01:47:21.120 I don't know

01:47:21.880 if you've seen

01:47:22.480 the images

01:47:23.220 of her

01:47:23.660 the reels

01:47:24.340 of her

01:47:24.940 skipping

01:47:25.820 jauntily

01:47:26.440 through her

01:47:26.940 orchard

01:47:27.620 yes

01:47:28.060 she kind of

01:47:29.320 looks like

01:47:29.980 to me

01:47:31.040 it looks like

01:47:31.600 an alien

01:47:32.360 soul

01:47:34.180 has taken

01:47:35.280 control

01:47:35.840 of a human

01:47:36.460 body

01:47:36.960 but the soul

01:47:38.380 doesn't know

01:47:38.920 how a human

01:47:39.580 body works

01:47:40.580 so she's kind

01:47:41.580 of like

01:47:41.880 this

01:47:42.580 like how do you

01:47:43.520 you hop

01:47:44.340 right

01:47:44.680 that's a hop

01:47:45.240 I'm happy

01:47:45.920 and then the

01:47:48.480 entire tableau

01:47:49.680 in the house

01:47:50.280 is like

01:47:50.860 beige

01:47:51.540 upon taupe

01:47:52.380 upon grey

01:47:53.180 so it's very joyful

01:47:54.400 even for Christmas

01:47:55.540 she has beige

01:47:56.520 Christmas decorations

01:47:57.500 who the hell

01:47:58.280 wants beige

01:47:58.820 Christmas decorations

01:47:59.720 I think she thinks

01:48:01.180 it's classy

01:48:02.040 like you know

01:48:03.540 so you don't

01:48:04.720 you know she's

01:48:05.300 getting back

01:48:05.680 into acting

01:48:06.280 do we think

01:48:06.720 there's a future

01:48:07.340 there

01:48:07.660 I just think

01:48:10.320 if she were

01:48:10.780 a better actress

01:48:11.900 we'd all not

01:48:13.440 be on to her

01:48:14.420 by now

01:48:14.980 she thinks

01:48:15.740 she's still

01:48:16.400 pulling one over

01:48:17.440 on us

01:48:18.080 yes

01:48:18.320 right

01:48:18.680 yes

01:48:19.220 exactly right

01:48:20.280 so

01:48:21.040 finally

01:48:22.200 politics

01:48:23.740 yeah

01:48:24.320 you don't go

01:48:24.980 there that often

01:48:25.620 you write about

01:48:26.460 in the daily

01:48:26.880 mail sometimes

01:48:27.520 you don't go

01:48:28.320 there that often

01:48:28.940 on the nerve

01:48:29.460 how do you

01:48:30.860 like the chances

01:48:32.180 of the Republican

01:48:33.540 Party

01:48:33.980 in holding on

01:48:34.840 to power

01:48:35.260 going into

01:48:35.980 the next

01:48:36.540 presidential election

01:48:37.380 what's your

01:48:38.000 take on it

01:48:38.460 I don't know

01:48:39.420 I think it's

01:48:39.960 I think it's

01:48:40.420 really too early

01:48:41.120 to tell

01:48:41.660 I think what

01:48:42.380 just happened

01:48:43.060 in New York

01:48:44.180 especially

01:48:44.780 is such a

01:48:45.460 bellwether

01:48:45.980 not just

01:48:47.100 because

01:48:47.300 you know

01:48:47.520 New York City

01:48:48.140 yes it's liberal

01:48:48.960 but I really

01:48:50.740 think it was

01:48:51.220 a kind of

01:48:52.120 a rebuke

01:48:52.720 to like

01:48:53.140 hey

01:48:53.780 we just want

01:48:54.580 change agents

01:48:55.600 we just want

01:48:56.560 change

01:48:56.700 we can't afford

01:48:58.140 to go to the

01:48:58.580 grocery

01:48:58.920 store still

01:48:59.760 Donald Trump

01:49:00.640 said he was

01:49:01.160 going to fix

01:49:01.600 it

01:49:01.740 he didn't

01:49:02.080 fix it

01:49:02.560 like we

01:49:02.860 don't have

01:49:03.280 the leisure

01:49:03.820 of another

01:49:04.820 year or two

01:49:05.540 going by

01:49:06.320 to tell us

01:49:07.300 that as AI

01:49:07.980 is a warning

01:49:08.680 and tariffs

01:49:09.680 have still

01:49:10.400 impacted prices

01:49:11.300 that like

01:49:11.820 we just have

01:49:12.560 to gut it out

01:49:13.380 week after week

01:49:14.240 and I think

01:49:14.860 that's why

01:49:15.900 and I also

01:49:16.380 tend

01:49:16.680 I try not

01:49:17.900 to get into

01:49:18.280 politics too

01:49:18.980 much because

01:49:19.440 I'm very

01:49:20.060 cynical

01:49:20.480 about sort

01:49:22.160 of both sides

01:49:23.200 I just think

01:49:23.900 it's such

01:49:24.800 the things

01:49:26.120 that you have

01:49:26.500 to do

01:49:26.840 and the compromises

01:49:27.680 you have

01:49:28.020 to make

01:49:28.460 and I'm

01:49:29.060 inherently

01:49:29.800 suspicious

01:49:30.460 of anybody

01:49:31.380 who wants

01:49:32.460 that amount

01:49:33.100 of power

01:49:33.600 I just think

01:49:34.580 it's healthy

01:49:35.320 to be

01:49:35.740 you know

01:49:36.400 I'll tell you

01:49:37.480 what

01:49:37.640 I'm gonna

01:49:37.960 make an

01:49:38.240 announcement

01:49:38.580 are you

01:49:39.640 okay

01:49:39.980 I know

01:49:40.580 who I'm

01:49:40.980 rooting for

01:49:41.380 in 2028

01:49:42.060 and it's

01:49:42.600 not J.D. Vance

01:49:43.320 who

01:49:43.980 it's Katie

01:49:44.560 Porter

01:49:44.880 yes

01:49:46.100 oh yeah

01:49:47.340 oh that

01:49:47.880 would be

01:49:48.180 amazing

01:49:48.840 how fun

01:49:49.420 would that

01:49:49.740 be

01:49:50.000 I mean

01:49:51.180 the country

01:49:51.540 would burn

01:49:52.220 but it

01:49:52.840 would be

01:49:53.100 so fun

01:49:53.820 watching her

01:49:55.000 along the way

01:49:55.540 get the fuck

01:49:56.220 out of here

01:49:56.840 and I think

01:49:58.840 those have to

01:49:59.260 be my parting

01:49:59.820 words because

01:50:00.440 we're over

01:50:00.820 time

01:50:01.180 Maureen I

01:50:03.180 love you

01:50:03.820 I love you

01:50:04.440 for all the

01:50:05.120 laughs and

01:50:05.680 all the fun

01:50:06.300 Megan

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01:50:11.800 thank you

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 26, 2025

MTG Quits, Markle's False Narrative, and Woke Remnants, with Maureen Callahan, Jillian Michaels, and The Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 1202

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