The Megyn Kelly Show - Mysterious ＂Drones＂ Spread, Media Malpractice, and How Medical Journals Became Captured, with Hugh Hewitt and Dr. Aseem Malhotra ｜ Ep. 964

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.240 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:17.020 With just over five weeks to go before President-elect Donald Trump is sworn in,

00:00:20.500 the media is working through their five stages of grief.

00:00:23.300 There's anger from Don Lemon, denial from media stationed outside of Mar-a-Lago.

00:00:30.000 About the fact that they're no longer relevant.

00:00:32.060 And some bargaining and acceptance from the owner of the Washington Post, Jeff Bezos.

00:00:36.400 We'll get to some of that in a minute.

00:00:38.200 But we're going to kick it off with some breaking news on these drones,

00:00:42.860 with the question mark, that we reported on yesterday in depth.

00:00:46.580 If you missed that report, it's on our YouTube channel now.

00:00:49.240 Joining me now, longtime radio host, Hugh Hewitt, host of The Hugh Hewitt Show,

00:00:54.580 friend, and one of our must-listen-to commentators in America.

00:00:58.840 His show is going to be moving to afternoon drive time on the East Coast in January.

00:01:03.780 Hugh, great to see you.

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00:02:08.960 Thank you, Megan, and thanks for plugging the mood today afternoon.

00:02:12.280 I tell people morning drive radio is like, got to use dog ears.

00:02:16.360 I've done it for eight years.

00:02:17.780 That's like 56 years.

00:02:19.080 I love the afternoons.

00:02:21.020 I cannot wait to look into the afternoon.

00:02:24.080 Afternoon, I highly recommend.

00:02:26.540 I don't know if I recommend being in New Jersey between dusk and 11 p.m.

00:02:30.640 And by the way, now it's not just New Jersey.

00:02:33.100 Reports today that these things, we'll call them drones because we don't know,

00:02:37.560 but for lack of a better word, have now been seen in New York and over LaGuardia,

00:02:43.440 near LaGuardia, and down in Maryland.

00:02:45.800 Listen to this from the governor of Maryland, who just dropped this tweet, Governor Larry Hogan.

00:02:50.960 Last night, beginning around 9.45 p.m., I personally witnessed and videoed what appeared to be dozens of large drones in the sky above my residence in Davidsonville, Maryland,

00:03:01.500 25 miles from our nation's capital.

00:03:03.460 I observed the activity for approximately 45 minutes.

00:03:06.500 Like many who have observed these drones, I do not know if this increasing activity over our skies is a threat to public safety or national security.

00:03:13.720 But the public's growing increasingly concerned and frustrated with a complete lack of transparency and the dismissive attitude of the feds.

00:03:20.300 The government has the ability to track these from their point of origin, but has mounted a negligent response.

00:03:25.840 People are rightfully clamoring for answers, but aren't getting any.

00:03:28.680 We are being told that neither the White House, the military, the FBI or Homeland Security have any idea what they are,

00:03:34.300 where they're coming from or who has launched or is controlling them and that they pose no threat.

00:03:39.580 That response is entirely unacceptable.

00:03:41.760 I join with a growing bipartisan chorus of leaders demanding that the feds immediately take this, address this issue.

00:03:48.440 The American people deserve answers and action now.

00:03:53.120 This is crazy.

00:03:54.600 We were told yesterday, yesterday by John Kirby at the White House.

00:03:58.260 Nothing to see here.

00:03:59.560 We can't even confirm that there really have been drones.

00:04:01.960 And this is leading now to senior government officials to step out and say, sorry, sir, we are seeing them.

00:04:08.640 This morning, I had Shyam Sankar on the program.

00:04:13.480 He is the chief technology officer for Palantir.

00:04:18.100 And he's being tipped for the deputy secretary of defense under Pete Hegstead.

00:04:22.620 He's Mr. Artificial Intelligence.

00:04:24.780 And I said, what do you, I just happened to say, what do you think of these drones?

00:04:28.080 And Shyam said, they're terrifying.

00:04:30.780 And I thought to myself, holy smoke, this guy is one of the smartest tech people in the country.

00:04:35.940 And he says, it's terrifying.

00:04:38.040 And he explained, we don't have control of the domain.

00:04:40.600 And if you don't have control of the domain, you have essentially ceded your national security and your personal security to whoever's in your space.

00:04:47.900 And we have seen drones used rather effectively by the IDF, by Ukraine, by Russia, not so effectively by Iran.

00:04:55.520 But people have got to wonder, what in the world is going on here?

00:04:59.580 It can't be obvious, right?

00:05:02.000 Can we eliminate hobbyists?

00:05:03.920 There are too many of them.

00:05:05.620 And it's too elegant a configuration.

00:05:09.840 I don't believe in space aliens.

00:05:11.420 I do believe in adversaries who exploit what Sankar called the orcs, the seams between our various agencies like DHS and the Pentagon.

00:05:27.260 And they have to get much more serious and in a hurry.

00:05:29.840 Yes, I don't get this.

00:05:33.100 There's nothing to see their response by the feds.

00:05:36.360 It makes me think it is the feds, but if it is the feds, why wouldn't they pause now that it's become such a controversy?

00:05:44.800 They're still doing it.

00:05:46.420 So I don't know what's going on, but it's very strange how certain the feds seem to be saying they are that it's nothing, whereas honesty sounds more like what Larry Hogan said, you know, what these New Jersey lawmakers are saying.

00:06:00.280 Like, we don't know what this is, and we need to know.

00:06:02.880 Here's the headline from NBC yesterday.

00:06:07.320 Now, key House and Senate lawmakers are demanding that top federal law enforcement officials immediately brief them on these mysterious drone sightings.

00:06:16.020 And here is Kirby, right, at the White House yesterday.

00:06:19.600 He said that Homeland Security, the FBI, and state and local law enforcement have not been able to corroborate any of the reported visual sightings of the drones.

00:06:30.860 He said upon reviewing images of the sightings, law enforcement officials have concluded, quote, these are actually manned aircraft that are being operated lawfully and said there have been no confirmed drone sightings in restricted airspace.

00:06:48.060 White House National Security Council telling NBC News, we have no evidence at this time that these reported sightings pose a national security or public safety threat or have a foreign nexus.

00:07:00.060 But now you've got New Jersey Senators Cory Booker and Andy Kim, New York Senators Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand sending a letter to the Homeland Security Secretary, who is also a Democrat, as you know, and the FBI director and the FAA head all saying to all these guys, we demand a briefing.

00:07:18.080 And some say we could get it as late as or as early as this afternoon, Hugh.

00:07:22.980 This is bizarre. I don't remember seeing anything like this.

00:07:26.060 No, we have Area 51 to do our experimental stuff. We don't do it in New Jersey.

00:07:30.480 But that's not, I don't think it's our team. We don't do it in our team.

00:07:34.480 But I will say, why would anyone at the White House expect us to believe them when they told us for two years that President Biden was spry doing jumping jacks and backflips in the Oval Office with Kareem GPR made? 0.71

00:07:48.220 Why would we believe anything they say? I don't.

00:07:51.780 And therefore, when the Intel Committee gets a briefing and Tom Cotton comes out or Mike Waltz comes out of the House and the Senate Intel Committee and says, X, Y, Z, I'll believe them and I'll believe Dean Trump when they get there.

00:08:05.080 I'm not believing these do.

00:08:07.300 Same. I feel exactly the same. And on this one, we actually do need we need some answers.

00:08:12.020 I mean, I don't know what it's what it is. There's here is what I hope it isn't. Watch.

00:08:21.780 It's a massive spaceship for the listening audience from Independence Day.

00:08:33.860 It's a big spaceship, too.

00:08:39.560 We're rooting against that, I think. I think that's worse than Iran or the Russians. Am I wrong? Or China? 1.00

00:08:46.300 I remember Independence Day, they were everywhere at once. But again, they picked New Jersey.

00:08:51.780 So this doesn't make any sense to me, unless they're just there.

00:08:56.360 No, I don't get it. Like, let's just spend one second speculating on what it could be, because when I first heard about it, I thought, OK, it's probably like some smart MIT college guys who are super effective with drone technology and are having some fun.

00:09:16.620 And maybe they're from New Jersey. And so they targeted New Jersey just to see what might happen.

00:09:20.940 But this has been going on since November 18th. Right. So we're like going on a month now and it's spreading.

00:09:28.260 And even though the feds are saying to all of us, nothing's there, there's nothing confirmed.

00:09:33.700 I mean, I know some of the people in New Jersey who say they've seen them.

00:09:36.620 A friend sent me a video who I've known for two decades of what she and her husband saw not long ago.

00:09:42.660 But anyway, like the feds would know the feds would have investigated this no matter what they're telling us.

00:09:48.780 So why would they be lying to us? What what could the explanation be that would cause the government to lie?

00:09:55.340 The easiest explanation is it's the Chai comms.

00:09:58.240 They let the balloon float across the country, which I believe was the third or the fourth balloon, but the first one that the public saw.

00:10:05.580 And this administration does not want to have a confrontation with China as it goes out the door.

00:10:11.140 The only people that I think have the technology capability to do this are the Chai comms.

00:10:16.440 Unless it's the MIT kids. MIT kids used to blow up the 50-yard line between Harvard and Yale games.

00:10:22.420 They would do funny things like that. So they have lots of tricks.

00:10:25.660 But MIT is nowhere near New Jersey. I don't think it's the Rutgers people, much as we all love Rutgers.

00:10:31.700 They're in the Big Ten. I don't think it's the Rutgers people.

00:10:34.060 So I immediately think Chinese Communist Party.

00:10:37.980 Could be Princeton people. That's in New Jersey.

00:10:41.440 No, they don't really actually do science in Princeton.

00:10:43.660 They do eating classes, I guess.

00:10:47.040 Wait, wasn't Einstein there? He was there.

00:10:50.240 I think that's a good theory.

00:10:52.980 We're going to find out.

00:10:54.040 I don't think this mystery will remain a mystery.

00:10:56.600 And I don't think John Kirby's going to get away for another day or two of saying,

00:11:00.920 don't believe your lion eyes. There were no drones.

00:11:03.800 That's a bunch of BS.

00:11:04.940 Yeah. And they're going to be airplane pilots.

00:11:08.600 They're going to be fighter pilots.

00:11:10.320 They're going to be people who know which they speak, who go up there and observe now.

00:11:13.360 And the media is paying attention.

00:11:14.600 Once the media begins to pay attention, answers begin to manifest themselves.

00:11:18.140 Same thing happened with the balloon.

00:11:19.780 The people are under the balloon sequence.

00:11:21.240 There's no balloon.

00:11:22.480 It can't hurt us.

00:11:23.620 It doesn't belong to the CHICOMs. 1.00

00:11:25.360 We'll shoot it down later.

00:11:26.440 Now we can't find it.

00:11:27.380 A series of denials that has to do with the inability of the administration to protect the country.

00:11:33.100 Same sequence underway.

00:11:36.340 Okay. So speaking of don't believe your lion eyes, Pete Hexhef did get into West Point.

00:11:42.360 That's the lead of our next story.

00:11:44.580 And this is relevant, even though he went to Princeton, speaking of Princeton,

00:11:49.300 he did get into West Point and decided in the end, after touring both and considering what his life would look like,

00:11:54.840 to go to Princeton.

00:11:55.660 But ProPublica, this far-left group, activist group that's tried to take down Justice Alito,

00:12:01.900 Justice Thomas with smears, is now trying to take down Pete Hexhef by getting ready to report that he was lying,

00:12:13.640 that he did not get into West Point.

00:12:15.300 So they called West Point to say, did Pete Hexhef get into West Point?

00:12:19.800 And West Point allegedly told them not once but twice, no, he didn't get in here.

00:12:26.080 He didn't apply here.

00:12:27.640 We have no record of Pete Hexhef ever applying to West Point.

00:12:31.540 So then they go to Pete Hexhef's lawyer, Tim Parlatore, and they say, we're going to print that he lied. 0.81

00:12:40.880 You have one hour to respond, which is ridiculous.

00:12:45.580 As if this is like national security and they had to rush to print with it, Hugh, right? 0.96

00:12:51.700 They had 60 minutes and he had to get back to him, baloney.

00:12:54.720 So instead, what happened was Pete Hexhef went on Twitter, on X, and posted his acceptance letter.

00:13:04.440 He didn't deal with ProPublica.

00:13:06.360 He dealt with us and said, take a look at this.

00:13:10.200 Here's my acceptance letter from West Point.

00:13:12.520 And now ProPublica is trying to defend itself by saying, hello, this is how journalism works.

00:13:21.120 When you posted that, we stood down from the story.

00:13:25.060 So calm down, Pete Hexhef.

00:13:27.660 And to this series of events, you say what?

00:13:31.180 I'd say no one. 1.00

00:13:32.640 I wish I had a recording of the editorial meeting when they decided to do the story because they're stupid. 0.98

00:13:38.040 If you get into Princeton, you will have certainly gotten into West Point, especially if you're a fit young man like Pete Hexhef. 0.98

00:13:46.360 So it's presumably true.

00:13:49.200 But you know what else corroborates that is that after he's done with Princeton, he goes into the military and goes into combat and is deployed three times, twice for the combat area.

00:13:58.520 So there's no reason to doubt that he was interested in the military.

00:14:01.680 And there's no reason to doubt that he was qualified to get into West Point.

00:14:05.180 So what kind of editorial predicate did they have other than he's the most wounded nominee?

00:14:13.540 Let's try and bring him down.

00:14:15.080 He's the weakest member of the herd right now.

00:14:17.140 He's no longer.

00:14:17.800 They've made him stronger.

00:14:19.200 We're a left-wing hit group.

00:14:20.900 The best thing to come out of this, actually, it's two-part.

00:14:23.900 One, the mask is off ProPublica.

00:14:26.020 They've done some good work in the past that I've actually used on my shelf, usually having to do with international stories.

00:14:32.720 But they've done horrible stuff in the last six months on the Supreme Court.

00:14:36.700 And then, you know, sooner do they catch flack that Josh Gerstein over at Politico, another lefty, come to their aid.

00:14:44.060 So they're circling the wagons around an exposed left-wing hit mob.

00:14:49.880 And I just love that it's happening.

00:14:52.800 They come and I posted on X had 300,000 views.

00:14:55.720 People are getting to know ProPublica out of this.

00:14:58.980 And I think it may have secured Pete Heggs that's confirmation.

00:15:02.580 Although on yesterday's program, you're talking to Josh Holmes and the gang from Ruthless, the four horsemen of the apocalypse from Ruthless.

00:15:09.940 They were not certain about Pete getting through because hearings are hearings.

00:15:17.540 And I remember the Clarence Thomas hearings, the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.

00:15:21.560 They've come up with anyone, people we haven't heard of yet, right?

00:15:25.280 Just random XYZ people. 1.00

00:15:27.540 And you're not going to have the chance to do what you did with your colleague from the Daily Mail or your sit down with Pete Heggs that it's going to happen in 72 hours.

00:15:35.220 And he's just got to go in Ollie North style. 0.62

00:15:40.100 I don't think he can wear the uniform anymore.

00:15:42.140 I don't think he's in the reserves.

00:15:43.440 But he's just got to go in and hammer every allegation.

00:15:48.700 Right.

00:15:49.400 Be merciless on it.

00:15:50.880 And then let's see those Republicans look at Trump and all of his supporters and say, we reject him.

00:15:58.020 That we're going to stop him based on whatever comes out of that hearing.

00:16:00.780 I mean, we'll see whether it's new evidence when they actually produce somebody on the record to accuse Pete of the things that have been alleged only anonymously thus far.

00:16:09.660 I look forward to seeing some former Fox News employee get up there and say, oh, he was drunk.

00:16:14.060 OK, sure.

00:16:15.300 You know what?

00:16:15.760 I'll testify at the hearings.

00:16:16.940 I spent 10 years working with Pete.

00:16:18.800 He was never drunk.

00:16:19.600 And I saw him in the prime time when you would be.

00:16:22.420 Anyway, so that's that's Pete.

00:16:24.880 I will say I think their hesitancy is based on Joni Ernst, because I think we all think we're going to lose Murkowski, Collins and maybe McConnell.

00:16:33.220 Maybe not.

00:16:33.880 I don't know.

00:16:34.360 Well, maybe.

00:16:35.440 But he doesn't like Trump at all.

00:16:37.580 Vice versa.

00:16:38.780 So she's the one.

00:16:40.380 And I know she's saying things that are closer to maybe.

00:16:45.560 But, you know, as well as I do, I keep calling you to Hugh is a very talented lawyer who went to Harvard and University of Michigan at law school and worked in the Reagan administration.

00:16:59.000 She's being careful with her words.

00:17:00.680 She says, while I support Pete through this process, what I what I think he deserves is a hearing.

00:17:06.820 That is that's just a buying time phrase.

00:17:10.320 That's not a promise of support.

00:17:12.300 Now, what I am hearing, Hugh, is that she doesn't like him.

00:17:17.400 Well, you know, you're never in the room.

00:17:19.540 I actually don't think we're going to lose Senator Collins.

00:17:22.400 I think Senator Collins is very serious on defense.

00:17:25.400 He's chairwoman of incoming appropriations.

00:17:28.500 I think if he tells her, I will pay attention to your line items and we will fully fund it, not necessarily to lose Murkowski either.

00:17:35.120 They need those air force bases up there. 0.71

00:17:37.160 They just moved a bunch of C-130s up to Alaska.

00:17:39.580 I don't know about Leader McConnell.

00:17:42.580 I doubt that, too, because, again, DOD is so big. 0.99

00:17:46.280 If you shoot to kill the sec death, you better win. 0.99

00:17:49.700 And everyone's got a lot to lose. 0.99

00:17:51.780 And by the way, you don't know who's coming after that.

00:17:54.400 And so Pete is well known.

00:17:56.080 And I find it interesting that both you and another former Fox colleague, Geraldo Rivera, who have no obligation to come to the defense of Pete Hexa, have both stepped up to do so.

00:18:08.920 That's very revealing.

00:18:10.300 I don't know Pete Hexa, except by interviews like this.

00:18:13.040 And I've read his books and I've talked to him a few times in the hallway or on a set.

00:18:16.840 But I don't know him.

00:18:18.360 You and Geraldo know him.

00:18:20.000 You have no obligation to defend him.

00:18:21.960 You both have defended him.

00:18:23.320 That tells me a lot.

00:18:24.100 Yeah, I mean, I said to the audience, don't marry Pete, but I would take him as my sec death.

00:18:32.760 So it's basically my words.

00:18:35.800 I have a question for you.

00:18:37.920 I think spouses know each other pretty well.

00:18:40.840 But other than spouses, people who work in a network and who do shows together know each other very well.

00:18:49.240 You know, whether you're on time, whether you're late, whether you dress well, whether you don't dress well, you know, everything about boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, wives, children.

00:19:00.360 It's you just spend a lot of time with your colleagues, which is why when you and Geraldo say Major Pete is great, I listen.

00:19:07.980 Yeah, I mean, I spent a lot of time with Pete Hegseth and all I ever saw was a professional, smart, earnest, great guy who cared deeply about the military.

00:19:21.200 It's all he wanted to talk about ever.

00:19:23.240 I mean, even when you're making casual conversation, that's what he wanted to talk about, the military and what he could do to address their concerns and how their needs weren't being met.

00:19:31.200 But truly, even in casual conversation, and I've said this to my audience before, we did have conversations many times at Fox News about whose drinking was getting out of control or who was potentially taking drugs and some we knew were.

00:19:43.820 And those people were definitely on the radar.

00:19:46.360 We all knew he was never one of the names.

00:19:49.340 Pete was on the radar for loving the military and veterans.

00:19:52.480 And yes, for being a little randy, I guess we can say, when it came to the women, whatever that's between him and his wife.

00:19:59.980 Who used the word Tomcatting?

00:20:01.100 Did you use the word Tomcatting?

00:20:02.360 It was Rich Lowry.

00:20:03.500 Isn't he cute?

00:20:04.760 Yeah, somebody used Tomcatting.

00:20:06.360 I like that.

00:20:07.080 Let me ask you about the one, the people who could really write out Pete, makeup artists.

00:20:12.720 I don't know how Fox does it, but PBS, when I did it that day with you.

00:20:18.140 My former makeup artist at Fox, who is there all the time.

00:20:22.060 Has been texting me about him nonstop.

00:20:24.620 Like she's in his camp.

00:20:26.260 She knows you're exactly right.

00:20:27.980 They know where all the bodies are buried.

00:20:29.880 And their opinions count a lot.

00:20:33.200 They know people.

00:20:35.440 And one posted on Instagram in support of him as well.

00:20:38.040 So, I mean, he's good there.

00:20:39.400 I wanted to pick up on what you said about the political reporter, Josh Gerstein.

00:20:43.740 So he gives you a hard time.

00:20:45.240 You responded to the ProPublica attempted attack on Pete by saying,

00:20:50.340 this story is and remains that a bureaucrat at West Point misled you and you did not print that.

00:20:57.140 That's not journalism.

00:20:58.200 Then Politico inserts itself into your spat with ProPublica.

00:21:01.720 Josh Gerstein, the reporter, saying,

00:21:04.120 Hugh, are you really saying we should do a story every time what a government spokesperson tells us turns out not to be right?

00:21:10.840 I mean, it would take up perhaps half of my time.

00:21:16.440 And then you responded.

00:21:18.320 But do you want to walk us through why a response to that?

00:21:21.180 They're saying, look, they checked it out.

00:21:23.020 It didn't check out.

00:21:23.920 They moved on.

00:21:25.560 Josh's argument is a straw man.

00:21:28.280 And it stands out.

00:21:29.280 In a city full of battalions of straw men, Josh's argument stands out as a straw man.

00:21:34.220 Because it is not responsive to, number one, why did they begin the inquiry when he was a Princeton guy and he did go in the military?

00:21:41.720 Number two, why didn't they tell us that West Point had misled them, which is itself rather significant, since he's going to be the Secretary of Defense?

00:21:50.720 And if the answer is because they have bad bookkeeping, then you just put it in.

00:21:54.860 It's a one paragraph thing.

00:21:56.380 We got a tip or we were concerned that he didn't get into West Point.

00:21:59.820 And we investigated it.

00:22:01.000 It turns out that West Point was wrong.

00:22:03.060 So we ought to now worry about West Point record keeping.

00:22:06.340 Tom Cotton has sent a letter over to West Point.

00:22:08.460 He wants answers.

00:22:09.700 My guess is it's innocent error by an incompetent bureaucrat.

00:22:14.760 But unless until we know that it's a story, what we know is that ProPublica did not do it.

00:22:19.780 Now, part two, Josh Gerstine.

00:22:21.660 How is he connected to ProPublica?

00:22:23.960 Josh Gerstine broke the Dobbs leak, remember?

00:22:26.400 And he's been a critic of Thomas and Alito and their ethics the whole time.

00:22:32.780 So he and ProPublica are washing each other's hands.

00:22:36.040 They share a point of view about the court.

00:22:38.140 So they're circling the wagons.

00:22:40.240 Left-wing journos are circling the wagons around left-wing journos.

00:22:44.480 And he got hammered in the comments because everyone said, yeah, that's actually not journalism.

00:22:50.080 You should say that you were misled by West Point and that that was unfortunate and that you were hot washing the story.

00:22:59.580 And that's what I hate that when you have an hour to respond.

00:23:02.440 That's hot washing the story.

00:23:04.580 And thank goodness he had good files.

00:23:07.640 You don't do that.

00:23:08.460 You don't do that where you only have an hour to respond unless there's there's a reason for it.

00:23:12.460 You know, like we have got to get the story.

00:23:14.040 It's breaking.

00:23:14.520 It's big.

00:23:14.960 And national security, whatever, there are reasons why you might have to if it came to you late.

00:23:19.840 You didn't have time to go to the source, whatever.

00:23:22.000 But this is not one of them.

00:23:23.520 Some evergreen piece on whether Pete did or did not get into West Point.

00:23:27.940 They were just trying to sandbag the guy.

00:23:30.160 You know, one of the possibilities and you mentioned it on why they wouldn't even do just a one paragraph or on it is somebody at West Point was the initial source.

00:23:40.300 Somebody.

00:23:40.660 I mean, you think of West Point as being, you know, pro their military.

00:23:43.820 That doesn't mean they're pro Pete or pro Trump.

00:23:46.980 And if somebody at West Point, you know, if the call was incoming to ProPublica and and, you know, in an attempted smear that they were about to print and didn't because Pete had the records that West Point claimed it didn't have.

00:23:59.680 That'd be a reason why you wouldn't say it.

00:24:01.840 You know, it's interesting.

00:24:02.740 I hadn't considered that their tip had come from within the academy.

00:24:07.100 As you as you probably know, the academy is under an intense amount of focus for having become woke and not one of them.

00:24:15.040 But all three of them are under an intense amount of focus about what are you teaching our future warriors?

00:24:20.020 Are they doing more social justice warring than they are actually levality warring?

00:24:24.940 And I have no opinion on that because I'm a civilian.

00:24:27.340 But I know we should look into it.

00:24:28.940 And the people who are veterans in the cotton, Dan Sullivan, Michael Waltz, they are drilled down on this and they're not going to let it go.

00:24:36.860 So the best result for West Point is that ProPublica called us up.

00:24:41.940 They called the file clerk.

00:24:43.500 The file clerk got it wrong.

00:24:45.040 She looked or he looked in the wrong place.

00:24:47.260 And we came up with the right answer and we immediately called him back.

00:24:50.020 That's the only best case scenario for West Point.

00:24:52.780 If they initiated the story, if someone decided, you know, I don't like Pete Hegg said,

00:24:58.180 and I'm going to blow the whistle on a claim that I heard him make once on West Point because I don't see it in my data file,

00:25:05.720 that's a bigger story.

00:25:07.680 Either way, ProPublica did not do its reader justice.

00:25:11.380 And Josh Gerstein and the gang that are defending them are just tipping their hands at the fact that they're activists.

00:25:17.560 They're actually journalists, but they're advocate journalists, activist journalists.

00:25:22.980 And that's what I am, but I'm transparent about it.

00:25:26.980 Yeah, right.

00:25:27.640 Exactly right.

00:25:28.400 All right.

00:25:28.640 So now there are we covered activist journalists, but we did not yet cover the sad, sad journalists.

00:25:33.800 journalists down near, but not in Mar-a-Lago.

00:25:38.620 There's a piece today, yesterday in New York Magazine.

00:25:42.860 The headline is the press is down and shut out in Palm Beach.

00:25:48.460 Steve Chung is not sympathetic.

00:25:50.800 Steve Chung, of course, Trump's long-term spokesperson who's now his director of comms incoming at the White House.

00:25:55.920 Okay, so they start by saying, quoting,

00:26:00.580 Good morning from West Palm Beach.

00:26:02.180 I'm your transition pooler today.

00:26:04.620 This is the New York Times' Michael Scher who wrote this on December 9th to a group of fellow reporters who have teamed up to take turns covering the post-election news out of Mar-a-Lago.

00:26:13.620 But he doesn't have much to report.

00:26:17.240 The reason is, he writes, I've reached out to the transition about today's schedule and have not heard back.

00:26:24.780 Scher was part of an unofficial press pool set up by the White House Correspondents Association to cover, you know, Trump's team down there.

00:26:31.940 But the press is being kept at a safe distance.

00:26:36.820 They point out this is very unlike 2016 when Trump let the press stand at the base of Trump Tower and interview all these candidates who are coming in to kiss the ring on their way in and way out.

00:26:47.360 But this time, no, he's not really interested in it.

00:26:50.140 And Steve Chung has said, hey, I didn't authorize your weird little transition coverage.

00:26:55.900 You didn't ask us.

00:26:56.980 We would have worked with you.

00:26:57.880 You didn't.

00:26:58.460 So pound sand.

00:26:59.300 But they lament in this piece, the incoming press secretary, Caroline Levitt and Steve Chung, sometimes don't get back to the shutout, frustrated reporters at all, Hugh.

00:27:13.680 And they go on to say that these folks, OK, notwithstanding the fact that they don't know what's happening, they're not sure what's going on with the White House press room seating chart,

00:27:23.920 and they can't get straight answers on whether they're going to be where they want to be and were, that they are, quote,

00:27:29.300 soldiering on, and that they're doing this, notwithstanding the fact that hotel rooms on the island of Palm Beach are hard to come by and they are expensive.

00:27:40.100 So most journalists are exiled about a half an hour's drive in West.

00:27:45.800 Wait a minute.

00:27:47.080 When has a reporter ever paid for their hotel room?

00:27:50.340 When has they ever paid for their hotel room?

00:27:52.620 So the idea is expensive.

00:27:53.860 But Hugh, the horror of West Palm.

00:27:56.840 No.

00:27:57.260 Yeah.

00:27:57.860 I can't be sympathetic because the president-elect has talked to Time Magazine, to NBC, and to Jim Cramer at the Stock Exchange.

00:28:07.360 All three of those were fairly in-depth.

00:28:09.720 The Kristen Welker was 30 minutes.

00:28:11.620 I make my arrangements to talk to the president through Margo and his personal staff, and they are very professional.

00:28:18.040 The Chung organization is very professional, but they are not giving away the candy the way that they did for eight years ago.

00:28:26.440 Because eight years ago, they came in thinking that they were going to get a fair deal, and it turns out they don't get a fair deal from these people.

00:28:33.840 So why bother?

00:28:35.240 Why be nice to them at all?

00:28:36.760 I like my own share, by the way.

00:28:37.940 It comes on my share with you.

00:28:39.020 It's fine with work.

00:28:40.080 But no one is owed anything by the president-elect.

00:28:43.440 And Megan, if he gave a lot of interviews, do you think we would start getting the one president at a time low back, which they're waiting to unleash on him?

00:28:52.440 Yeah, right.

00:28:53.640 So here's the end of the piece.

00:28:54.880 It's my favorite part.

00:28:56.220 Not only have they been banished to West Palm.

00:28:59.560 Oh, my God.

00:29:01.200 It's like being bumped from the double wide to the single in the trailers.

00:29:05.620 They say, with the West Palm Hilton now officially sold out, some reporters have been forced to retreat to the courtyard by Marriott, out by the airport, Hugh Hewitt.

00:29:19.760 The humiliation of these poor reporters.

00:29:24.620 You know, I actually prefer courtyard by Marriott because they don't give you expressive machines.

00:29:29.820 They give you the old-fashioned Mr. Coffee so that in the morning you don't have to make the espresso machine work.

00:29:35.480 I just got to say, for anyone who's ever gone to a convention, you're lucky if you're within 15 miles of the convention center.

00:29:43.320 I mean, you just got to travel, travel, travel.

00:29:45.740 So that is a silly story.

00:29:48.600 And I'm— 0.88

00:29:49.500 You're reporters. 0.86

00:29:51.320 You're the lowest of the low.

00:29:52.680 And that's how you're supposed to live.

00:29:54.420 And it's one of the very healthy ways we make you generally hate authority.

00:29:58.160 It's just, in this country, you're supposed to hate authority whether they're red or blue, and you people don't.

00:30:04.880 Don't you think it's interesting, by the way, that ProPublica did not report that West Point misled them?

00:30:11.260 Would you report if someone misled you from the government?

00:30:13.680 I would.

00:30:14.500 That would be a big story.

00:30:15.440 I would call back.

00:30:16.520 I would call back and I would say, now I've seen a record proving that you misled me.

00:30:21.280 So what is your explanation for misleading me?

00:30:24.560 And I'd love to hear what they say.

00:30:27.080 And depending on what they said, I'd go from there.

00:30:29.360 But I would definitely be very interested in the fact that I'd been misled by West Point, which absolutely knows whether Pete Hexeth applied.

00:30:35.960 And not only applied, but got in.

00:30:38.260 You're going to tell me their record keeping is that bad?

00:30:41.000 Pete's, what, 44?

00:30:43.000 He was in college 25 years ago.

00:30:47.380 I'm trying to do the math there.

00:30:48.500 It's not that long.

00:30:50.360 And West Point of all places would have pretty meticulous records.

00:30:54.880 That's your boss.

00:30:56.240 If you're going to West Point, your boss is the Secretary of Defense.

00:30:59.480 You would at least use extreme care before responding.

00:31:03.220 And in fact, you might want to call the transition team to inform them that you've had an inquiry about the nominee to run the Department of Defense.

00:31:12.240 How would you advise us to respond?

00:31:15.180 Now, that's what a professional would be, but someone trying to do a head job on Pete. 0.82

00:31:20.720 Yeah.

00:31:21.200 Well, here's like, I wonder, because the other piece of it is when it comes to West Point, there could be national security implications.

00:31:28.900 I would imagine the records there, they would keep them better than your average university would, because who's trying to get in and why?

00:31:36.880 Whose kid is trying to get in and why?

00:31:39.100 I would imagine those records are considered rather important by, like, the Pentagon.

00:31:44.900 And so I do wonder whether they are as capable of hapless error.

00:31:48.800 Probably they are.

00:31:49.700 Probably.

00:31:50.600 As a Princeton or where I went, Syracuse.

00:31:53.360 But maybe not.

00:31:55.900 Anyway, maybe somebody will get to the bottom of it.

00:31:58.320 Okay.

00:31:58.780 While we're on the subject of journalism, something interesting happened over at CNN, and it's turned into a controversy, and I'd love to get your thoughts on it.

00:32:06.560 But Clarissa Ward is considered a star reporter over at CNN. 1.00

00:32:11.360 She's been there many years.

00:32:12.520 She was at Fox for a short time.

00:32:14.540 And she is doing reporting on Syria and what's happened in the wake of Bashar al-Assad being chased out of the country to Russia and this new Islamist group taking over, you know, like the kinder, gentler Al-Qaeda.

00:32:30.500 And she was patrolling through the streets in her reportorial role and says that she came upon a Bashar al-Assad prison facility with one of these new, you know, quote, unquote, reformed Al-Qaeda types with her.

00:32:50.980 And that they went into this prison cell and there's a prisoner who is being held by Bashar al-Assad.

00:32:58.440 And here's my interview with him.

00:33:00.340 We got him out.

00:33:01.120 We gave him some water.

00:33:02.280 And he had a bite of food.

00:33:03.580 And we stuck a mic in his face.

00:33:05.240 And this is extraordinary.

00:33:06.480 And now, in the wake of this interview, which got all sorts of plaudits all over the internet, people, oh, my God, she's amazing what she did, blah, blah, blah.

00:33:16.080 Now some people are raising questions about whether she was misled.

00:33:21.000 I think that's the most charitable thing I've seen on there.

00:33:23.380 Some have suggested she may have been part of the misleading.

00:33:26.200 I doubt that.

00:33:27.500 But I don't know.

00:33:28.260 I don't know what's happening here.

00:33:29.240 And I'm not even sure there is a story.

00:33:30.680 But I'm going to bring it to you because it's getting some steam.

00:33:33.680 I hope you've seen the clips.

00:33:37.300 I'll show you.

00:33:38.060 The Mediaite was one of the places that did a rather lengthy piece.

00:33:41.460 They watch our business and reporters and raise questions about reports like this.

00:33:46.360 There's a guy named Charlie Nash who raised some questions about the piece.

00:33:50.360 And I'm going to show it to you.

00:33:51.500 And then there's a filmmaker named Hassan Akkad who has been detained twice in Syria.

00:33:59.180 And he has got some doubts about this video.

00:34:01.880 All right.

00:34:02.100 Let me show you the first clip.

00:34:03.400 This is part one.

00:34:04.840 When they find this guy under a blanket, it's high drama.

00:34:10.000 You can see Clarissa is a little dramatic herself. 0.98

00:34:12.680 And I will say seems to insert herself into the story.

00:34:16.040 Watch this.

00:34:17.620 It's one of many secret prisons across the city.

00:34:22.240 I can't tell, though.

00:34:23.320 It might just be a blanket.

00:34:24.580 But it's the only cell that's locked.

00:34:26.080 The guard makes us turn the camera off while he shoots the lock off the cell door.

00:34:31.400 We go in to get a closer look.

00:34:38.580 It's still not clear if there is something under the blanket.

00:34:41.780 Oh, it moved.

00:34:43.720 Is there someone there?

00:34:48.020 I thought it was going to move.

00:34:49.580 Is someone there?

00:34:53.060 Or is it just a plane guy?

00:34:54.500 I don't know.

00:34:54.860 I don't know.

00:34:55.200 I don't know.

00:34:55.700 I think there's someone there.

00:34:56.840 Hello?

00:34:57.440 Hello?

00:34:57.560 Hello?

00:34:57.640 Hello?

00:34:58.140 Hello?

00:34:58.640 Hello?

00:34:59.140 OK.

00:34:59.640 I just, I just go over here.

00:35:08.140 Yeah.

00:35:08.640 He tells the fighter he's from the city of Homs and has been in the cell for three months.

00:35:21.220 OK.

00:35:21.960 OK, you're OK.

00:35:23.620 You're OK.

00:35:24.260 You're OK.

00:35:25.140 You're OK.

00:35:28.540 He clutches my arm tightly with both hands.

00:35:31.640 OK.

00:35:32.900 Does anyone have any water?

00:35:34.940 Water.

00:35:35.140 OK, so here's what people are pointing out.

00:35:42.980 He's pretty clean for a guy who is who's been in a prison cell for how many months?

00:35:50.420 Three or three plus months.

00:35:52.920 Three months without food or water for four days.

00:35:58.260 What we see on that video is no waste at all in the prison cell and no, no, no, no facilities,

00:36:10.080 no bucket.

00:36:11.540 Right.

00:36:12.720 And we see a man who's still under the blanket, even though he's just heard somebody shot, shoot

00:36:20.280 off the alleged lock on his cell.

00:36:23.240 Still under there.

00:36:24.400 OK, maybe he's hiding.

00:36:25.340 We see Clarissa Ward, who speaks, according to her, Arabic, only speaking in English in

00:36:31.420 Syria.

00:36:31.820 OK, don't know why that happened.

00:36:34.300 And this guy, Hassan Akkad, says the following.

00:36:39.620 I was detained twice in Syria.

00:36:41.300 I think this is staged.

00:36:42.860 CNN should investigate.

00:36:44.160 Happy to be proven wrong.

00:36:45.700 Individuals are never locked in communal cells.

00:36:48.200 Cells look too clean.

00:36:49.200 No discarded clothes, bags of bread, bottles of water, other blankets.

00:36:54.000 And he has too much energy for someone who had no water for five days.

00:36:59.080 This is what the cells in Syrian prisons typically look like, Hugh.

00:37:03.600 We pulled this from one that was farther north.

00:37:06.380 I mean, you can barely see the ground.

00:37:08.420 There's so much debris and trash.

00:37:10.300 I don't know.

00:37:12.580 But here's what I believe.

00:37:13.980 I doubt Clarissa Ward, who's a respected reporter, would stage this whole thing. 0.99

00:37:18.600 But I do think there's a possibility she and the other media celebrating this moment are

00:37:23.200 not being skeptical enough about it being staged for her.

00:37:29.340 Do you remember the fellow from Hamas who ended up being a star in video after video where

00:37:35.760 they staged the death of young people and it became kind of an internet sensation because

00:37:42.240 he was really good at pretending to be a victim again and again and again.

00:37:47.020 And it's turned out to be a tried and true tactic of the Islamist resistance, wherever it pops up, 0.97

00:37:53.780 to stage manage victimization videos.

00:37:57.940 I don't know if this is true.

00:37:59.440 I don't know.

00:37:59.960 Clarissa, I doubt any reporter would set this up because the danger of your career,

00:38:05.760 it would be an existential destruction of your career if you staged that.

00:38:10.960 Are you insufficiently suspicious of it against the backdrop of what you've seen in other Syrian 1.00

00:38:16.480 prisons?

00:38:17.600 Perhaps.

00:38:18.680 Because if I were the CNN editor, I might have raised these questions interspersed with

00:38:24.620 the actual reporting.

00:38:26.480 Don't you think that would have been safer to raise doubts about the possibility you had

00:38:30.360 been punked?

00:38:32.820 Because reporters are punked all the time.

00:38:34.360 In talk radio, we have a six-second delay because people call up all the time and punk

00:38:39.700 us.

00:38:40.380 And then you dump them when they go off in their own little, they want to, Howard Stern's

00:38:45.380 people used to do this to every other radio show in America.

00:38:47.640 Yes, Baba Booey. 1.00

00:38:48.720 Yeah.

00:38:49.020 And so you always add a delay because people are in the business of punking people.

00:38:54.360 And I just think they've got to be very careful when they corroborate everything.

00:39:01.540 Here's the second clip where they're now outside of the prison and she's interviewing him, which,

00:39:07.500 you know, I can, like some people are like, I don't get it.

00:39:09.800 Why aren't you getting him to a hospital?

00:39:11.460 But journalists are often heartless like that.

00:39:15.240 She's not alone in that approach.

00:39:16.860 Most of us would, you know, we don't want the story and then he can go to prison, but

00:39:20.040 here, or to the hospital.

00:39:21.620 Here it is.

00:39:23.240 After three months in a windowless cell, he can finally see the sky.

00:39:26.640 Look how clean he is.

00:39:27.940 Oh God, the light, he says.

00:39:29.720 Oh God, there is light.

00:39:31.780 The fighter hands him something to eat.

00:39:34.380 He can barely lift it to his mouth.

00:39:44.180 His body can't handle it.

00:39:46.700 Okay, you're okay.

00:39:47.920 His captors fled during the fall of Damascus.

00:39:51.460 She's holding him, rubbing his back.

00:39:53.340 No food or water.

00:39:55.080 That was at least four days ago.

00:39:56.900 The rebel tells him there's no more army, no more prisons, no more checkpoints.

00:40:03.700 Are you serious, he says?

00:40:07.740 Syria is free, he tells him.

00:40:13.300 It's the first time he has heard those words.

00:40:16.280 As a paramedic arrives, the shock sets in.

00:40:21.100 Jake, I have to say I have been doing this job for nearly 20 years now,

00:40:25.880 and that really was one of the most extraordinary moments that I have ever witnessed.

00:40:33.520 And folks pointing out online how clean the man looks, the jacket, the pants, the fingernails.

00:40:40.380 It's just, and does he have the right energy level for somebody who hasn't had food or water in almost five days?

00:40:50.020 I don't know, but I think that there should be an investigation by CNN just to make sure they have not been used by an organization trying to look like heroes,

00:41:02.200 notwithstanding their own controversial behaviors.

00:41:05.240 It's either a great scoop or a great dupe.

00:41:09.680 It's one or the other.

00:41:10.840 She either gets a Pulitzer for being on the ground and being willing to go in a risky place,

00:41:17.120 or there's going to be a Hall of Shame trophy here because it'll be a great dupe.

00:41:21.800 What I am most suspicious of, three months in an Assad prison, you would expect manifestations of cruelty.

00:41:30.240 Not merely being hungry and thirsty, five days without water is pretty bad.

00:41:36.660 You could probably barely move.

00:41:38.480 I did note there was a story the other day that an 11-year-old girl survived three days at sea between,

00:41:45.940 and she was journeying from Sierra Leone to Italy,

00:41:48.500 and her boat capsized off of Tunisia before the first Italian army,

00:41:52.120 and 44 people died and she lived.

00:41:54.380 So miracles happen.

00:41:55.500 And she had hypothermia when she came out of the water.

00:41:58.480 But you can tell when people have been under stress.

00:42:01.120 I don't see.

00:42:02.500 Did you see any wounds, any scratches?

00:42:05.880 No.

00:42:06.140 Any bleeding?

00:42:07.840 No.

00:42:08.880 And there's one other weird thing, potentially, it depends on your opinion,

00:42:14.060 where in her exchange with Jake Tapper, who was asking her about this,

00:42:17.740 she offers one additional detail.

00:42:20.620 Take a listen to SOT8.

00:42:21.620 We don't know where Adul Khurban is now.

00:42:25.680 He got into that ambulance.

00:42:27.580 We offered to give him our phones to call his family.

00:42:30.760 But as you can see in that moment, he was in a state of profound shock.

00:42:35.400 He wasn't able to collect himself to the point where he was able to get in touch with his family.

00:42:43.360 Possible.

00:42:44.560 Possible.

00:42:45.340 Possible.

00:42:45.760 But again, you wouldn't want to call your family first thing out of captivity after three, four months.

00:42:52.040 And you you're so shocked.

00:42:54.280 You can't make.

00:42:54.780 OK, it's possible.

00:42:55.660 Right.

00:42:55.980 But these all these are just like that's what led to the media piece.

00:42:59.640 In our favor.

00:43:00.920 In our favor.

00:43:01.620 Who stands to benefit from this?

00:43:04.240 Because I really don't think Clarissa Ward would stage it. 0.98

00:43:07.200 So who stands to benefit from staging it?

00:43:09.420 The guy who worked for Hamas was trying to generate international pressure against Israel.

00:43:14.200 Well, who are they trying to generate international pressure against Assad's gone?

00:43:17.880 So who wins with it?

00:43:20.280 But it works for them to look like they are the kinder, gentler that they oh, my God, Bashar al-Assad is even worse than you knew.

00:43:30.040 This poor man.

00:43:31.200 He's been under there.

00:43:32.860 And we're talking about it.

00:43:35.280 That it went everywhere.

00:43:36.840 It went everywhere.

00:43:37.740 So much coverage about how, you know, what an evil man this Bashar al-Assad is and how the new captors.

00:43:42.900 Well, not captors, but the new town really good.

00:43:46.720 Team Joe, I mean, gives water and cell phones to prisons.

00:43:51.000 OK, that's a potential motive.

00:43:54.080 I mean, you'd have to kick those tires as a journalist, you know, again, being used.

00:43:58.640 That's the biggest thing you have to worry about in this kind of situation is being used, being turned into journalistic propaganda.

00:44:05.740 And perhaps Clarissa Ward saw that coming from a mile away and made sure that that wasn't happening.

00:44:12.140 But I would like to hear more.

00:44:14.680 I don't I'm not sure right now based on what I've seen.

00:44:17.560 OK, the controversy over the CEO murder, the United CEO, Brian Thompson, continues with people.

00:44:26.200 Sorry, Brian Thompson, where people are continuing to try to justify this.

00:44:30.260 We have been meaning to get to some of these stories, but we didn't quite get there.

00:44:34.360 AOC weighs in.

00:44:37.380 She does the this is not to justify violence, but bit, but bit.

00:44:42.700 Here's what she said.

00:44:43.440 I think that this collective American experience, which is so twisted to have in the wealthiest nation in the world, all of that pain that people have experienced is being concentrated on this event.

00:45:00.300 And it's really important that we take a step back.

00:45:04.020 This is not to comment and this is not to say that an act of violence is is justified.

00:45:10.780 But I think for anyone who is confused or shocked or appalled, they need to understand that people interpret and feel and experience denied claims as an act of violence against them.

00:45:28.240 Oh, my God.

00:45:29.240 Oh, my God.

00:45:30.200 You.

00:45:31.300 There's no evidence of a denied claim.

00:45:35.200 It's just the craziest thing.

00:45:37.380 There is no evidence of anything except a screenshot of a back X-ray.

00:45:42.800 My own theory is a psychotic break and a schizophrenic acting out of anger against anyone who randomly he picked out of a phone book.

00:45:52.440 And I do believe his shouting at the police indicated some kind of psychosis.

00:45:56.980 But Elizabeth Warren and AOC, repulsive and disqualifying.

00:46:02.540 They have no facts upon which to face their speculation, even if their speculation had a denied claim on the part of the killer.

00:46:09.960 That's not justification.

00:46:10.920 All they do is license additional political violence.

00:46:14.400 I have Steve Scalise on my radio showing up today.

00:46:16.720 And I asked the majority leader in June of 2017, a man tried to kill you.

00:46:22.640 He didn't like Republicans.

00:46:23.620 And Scalise teed off on this because he cannot believe people stand with anyone using violence in any situation and trying to make an excuse on the basis of mythology.

00:46:36.620 There are no facts and evidence that have anything to do with UnitedHealthcare or a denied claim.

00:46:42.220 Nothing.

00:46:42.800 Zero.

00:46:44.040 And moreover, in the guy's alleged manifesto, he says, oh, they're probably people better qualified than I am to explain exactly what they're doing.

00:46:52.920 That's so bad.

00:46:53.800 Like, he doesn't sound like somebody who had lived this firsthand and had a personal grade.

00:46:58.640 Not that that would justify any of this.

00:47:00.780 But to your point, we don't know what this is about.

00:47:03.620 And what the evidence seems to be suggesting is you had a once perfectly normal young adult one minute.

00:47:11.940 And within the past three to six months, a switch flipped, which is totally consistent with some sort of psychotic break,

00:47:19.980 whether induced by a schizophrenic problem or by, you know, drugs that he was taking.

00:47:24.620 We don't know.

00:47:25.780 But show me the evidence.

00:47:26.820 And by the way, even if it is a claims issue, too soon, too soon to engage with this guy's gripes and ideas.

00:47:35.600 And how many claims did he have given?

00:47:38.940 And Brian Thompson has two sons who are without a father.

00:47:43.300 And there is an incredible lack of empathy on the part of AOC's Ms. Empathy and Elizabeth Warren.

00:47:48.860 I have a question for you, Megan.

00:47:50.360 What are the manifesto rules?

00:47:52.380 That when the Unabomber manifesto was released, it was a big controversy.

00:47:56.340 The manifesto of the Nashville killer, the trans activist, was never released.

00:48:00.440 It had to be leaked.

00:48:01.580 I'm not sure where this guy's manifesto came from or why we know parts of it, but I haven't seen the whole thing.

00:48:06.800 What are the manifesto rules?

00:48:08.760 Do we do we always release them or sometimes release?

00:48:11.800 Well, let's look at what happened with the manifesto with the trans killer in, is it Virginia? 0.88

00:48:17.200 We're trying to think of the city.

00:48:19.160 Yeah.

00:48:19.700 They kept it from us.

00:48:21.500 Yeah.

00:48:21.660 Yeah.

00:48:21.840 There we go.

00:48:22.160 Nashville.

00:48:22.480 Thank you.

00:48:23.100 Where they try to keep it from us and it had to be leaked.

00:48:25.340 I mean, part of it has been leaked online.

00:48:27.380 I don't know if we've seen the whole thing, but it's like, of course, there's different rules depending on the person's status.

00:48:33.640 And the Kimmel having his producers' lusty texts after this guy, him reading those on the air, it's just the latest scourge on ABC News.

00:48:46.240 And how can they share a calling card with this guy?

00:48:50.860 It's just absolutely vile.

00:48:52.640 Hugh, that's the state of our media today.

00:48:54.280 I'm thrilled that you'll be coming on in the afternoon now to talk about it more.

00:48:59.300 And I love the show and listening to your opinion.

00:49:01.520 Thanks for being here.

00:49:02.380 Thank you, Megan.

00:49:03.140 Thanks for having me.

00:49:04.240 Continued success on The Megan Kelly Show.

00:49:06.860 Thank you so much, my friend.

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00:50:50.060 So joining me now is a prominent and outspoken cardiologist and creator of the documentary,

00:51:00.000 First, Do No Farm, Dr. Asim Malhotra.

00:51:06.120 Dr. Malhotra's documentary sheds light on the pervasive influence of big pharma on healthcare,

00:51:12.800 the truth about cholesterol and statins, and much, much more.

00:51:18.040 Dr. Asim, welcome to the show.

00:51:19.420 Hi, Megan.

00:51:21.480 Lovely to be here.

00:51:23.040 I thought the documentary was fascinating and disturbing.

00:51:29.220 I remember, and I think this is one of the things you guys, that led you to make this documentary,

00:51:35.260 a few years ago, the line on statins had become,

00:51:40.140 the question in today's day and age is not so much why are you on a statin,

00:51:44.380 but why aren't you on a statin?

00:51:46.660 That they were being recommended for perfectly healthy people over age 50 who might get heart

00:51:56.360 disease or clogged arteries at some point as almost like a preventative measure.

00:52:01.000 And while the whole film is definitely not just about statins, that's where it starts, and it's very interesting.

00:52:08.060 So let me kick it off by playing this soundbite of a guy who was your patient, right?

00:52:13.800 Tony Royal, who did take a statin.

00:52:17.780 He was in a position of having had a heart attack, so his case was more severe.

00:52:21.500 But the question of why not take one was experienced by him.

00:52:27.440 The answer, I should say, firsthand.

00:52:29.140 Here's Tony, slot 30.

00:52:31.200 I have massive aches in my legs.

00:52:33.040 I have no energy, no libido.

00:52:35.800 I just lost the will to live almost.

00:52:38.160 I felt dreadful.

00:52:39.340 And it was that point where I started to question what was going on.

00:52:43.480 Either I was very sick with some other illness,

00:52:45.520 or my heart was going downhill again,

00:52:47.300 or it could be possibly the medication I'd be put on.

00:52:50.800 One of the medications that Tony was on that he believed caused him quite significant side effects,

00:52:56.500 such as muscle fatigue, erectile dysfunction, brain fog,

00:52:59.560 really limited his quality of life for many, many months, was a statin drug.

00:53:06.520 So, Dr. Asin, let's start there with statins and this problem overall.

00:53:12.760 Yeah, Megan.

00:53:13.720 So really interesting you started with that,

00:53:15.540 because, you know, my journey as a practicing cardiologist,

00:53:19.620 as a qualified doctor for well over 20 years,

00:53:22.460 actually started towards the end of sort of 2009, 2010,

00:53:25.720 when I really started to investigate

00:53:28.760 why heart disease hadn't really come down in the way it was predicted to come down.

00:53:34.600 You know, by the end of the 20th century,

00:53:37.540 it was predicted that heart disease would essentially be eradicated

00:53:40.460 because of statins that come on the scene.

00:53:42.100 And a lot of what happened around changes in guidelines on diet was based upon this,

00:53:48.120 what we now know is a very flawed hypothesis about lowering cholesterol.

00:53:51.640 So that's where I'd begun my journey,

00:53:53.360 because I was seeing my patients come in,

00:53:56.360 you know, more stress on the system in the National Health Service,

00:53:59.260 more people on many, you know, suffering from chronic disease.

00:54:02.040 But patients also reporting a lot of side effects from statins,

00:54:05.600 which where there was a discrepancy between what I was observing in terms of the frequency of these side effects

00:54:11.360 and diagnosing it and what was in the published literature.

00:54:13.960 So when I went on that journey, Megan,

00:54:15.540 basically, I, you know, came to the conclusion that the,

00:54:18.460 you know, that this fear around cholesterol is grossly exaggerated to the extent where I,

00:54:24.120 one could argue, and there's published evidence for this,

00:54:26.080 is that high cholesterol, so-called LDL, bad cholesterol isn't really a significant risk factor for heart disease.

00:54:31.900 But of course, that's where statins came in,

00:54:33.440 because the thinking was if we lower LDL cholesterol,

00:54:36.520 so-called bad cholesterol with these statin drugs,

00:54:38.100 which are, by the way, prescribed, estimated to be prescribed,

00:54:41.380 Megan, to 1 billion people globally,

00:54:44.260 certainly at least 200 million,

00:54:45.600 and we think at least 30 million Americans are taking statins.

00:54:49.080 You know, it doesn't really have that much of an effect.

00:54:51.860 So when you start looking at the actual data on statins,

00:54:55.660 and there's a huge caveat here, by the way,

00:54:57.360 because almost all of the data on statins comes from industry-sponsored drug trials

00:55:01.820 that have never really been independently evaluated,

00:55:03.960 and that's something, of course, that comes out in the film,

00:55:05.680 where myself and John Abramson from Harvard, you know,

00:55:08.580 are trying to get access to the raw data so it gets investigated,

00:55:11.960 is that even if you look at that data from the drug companies and break it down,

00:55:15.680 the actual benefit of a statin for an individual over a five-year period,

00:55:19.720 at low risk of heart disease or certainly someone who hasn't had a heart attack

00:55:24.680 is about 1%, one in a hundred chance of it preventing a non-fatal heart attack,

00:55:30.660 a non-discipline stroke without prolonging one's life.

00:55:34.120 Now, Tony's case is really interesting,

00:55:35.800 and he was quite an unusual patient because, as you already alluded to,

00:55:39.760 you know, he was somebody that had a heart attack.

00:55:42.460 He was a Virgin Atlantic Airline pilot.

00:55:44.240 He was fit and active.

00:55:45.460 He was following the dietary guidelines, low-fat guidelines,

00:55:48.020 thought he was doing everything, you know, healthy in a healthy way,

00:55:51.420 and in his early 50s basically suffered a heart attack, couldn't fly anymore,

00:55:55.660 went back to his previous job, which was a maths and physics teacher,

00:55:58.840 so he's very good with numbers.

00:56:00.440 And then he started to get debilitating side effects, you know,

00:56:03.160 about a year after, you know, taking all these medications he's prescribed,

00:56:06.120 or he suddenly felt unwell anyway initially.

00:56:08.440 Started looking at the drugs and the details and the benefits, et cetera,

00:56:11.820 thought there were side effects from the drugs,

00:56:13.500 stopped his statin, felt a lot better,

00:56:15.440 and at the same time changed his lifestyle.

00:56:17.960 And, you know, Tony now is in a situation,

00:56:20.280 this is quite unusual for a heart patient who's had a heart stent and a heart attack.

00:56:23.860 He's now training for World Iron Man, you know, and he's 60-plus now,

00:56:27.920 and he's off all his pills, Megan.

00:56:29.540 So I'm not saying this is for everybody,

00:56:32.040 but it's a great example of what can be achieved in healthcare

00:56:35.000 if we actually give patients the right information,

00:56:38.400 if we empower them on the benefits and harms of drugs

00:56:41.460 in a way that is not through coercion,

00:56:44.020 not through manipulation of drug industry who are there

00:56:46.580 to basically, you know, make money.

00:56:48.580 And the reality is this.

00:56:49.920 Most people in the world, Megan, taking statins

00:56:52.980 are going to get no benefit whatsoever,

00:56:55.660 and they don't even know it.

00:56:58.180 If high cholesterol, high LDLs doesn't cause a heart attack,

00:57:03.140 and you potentially can see that number rise without freaking out,

00:57:08.460 then what does cause a heart attack?

00:57:11.800 Yeah, great question.

00:57:13.100 Before I answer that specifically,

00:57:14.240 I said something interesting that I found myself

00:57:17.400 and a number of international scientists in 2016 and BMJ.

00:57:21.500 We actually looked at whether LDL cholesterol

00:57:24.320 had a risk for heart disease in over 60s,

00:57:27.280 partly because the original studies

00:57:28.840 where cholesterol was, you know, exposed as a potential risk factor

00:57:32.780 or as a major risk factor for heart disease.

00:57:34.800 What wasn't publicized, Megan, in those original studies

00:57:37.080 from Framingham, Massachusetts that started in 1948

00:57:39.580 and went on for decades,

00:57:40.500 is that once people hit 50,

00:57:42.740 as their cholesterol dropped,

00:57:45.320 their death rates increased.

00:57:46.900 And we thought, why, this is a bit unusual.

00:57:48.660 Why is no one really talking about this?

00:57:50.000 So we went back and looked at, you know, up-to-date data.

00:57:52.800 And what we found, one, was there was no association

00:57:55.340 with LDL cholesterol and heart disease in over 60s.

00:57:57.400 But the most interesting finding was

00:57:58.960 the higher one's LDL in older population,

00:58:02.740 the lower the risk of death statistically, right?

00:58:05.540 So the question is, how is that possible?

00:58:07.620 Well, one of the things that's been forgotten

00:58:09.340 because of all this focus on heart disease

00:58:10.980 and this flawed hypothesis

00:58:11.860 is that cholesterol has a really important role

00:58:13.580 in the immune system.

00:58:14.880 Older people are more vulnerable to dying from infections.

00:58:17.380 And there's also an association,

00:58:19.160 I must express it, we don't know if it's causal,

00:58:20.940 but there is an association with low cholesterol and cancer,

00:58:23.800 which again is likely a link to the immune system.

00:58:26.160 So that just, just to muddy the waters a bit further,

00:58:28.760 that just lowering cholesterol for the sake of it

00:58:30.640 may actually be harmful.

00:58:31.960 It's not that it has no detrimental effect.

00:58:34.420 Now, what is a risk factor,

00:58:35.920 a major risk factor for heart disease?

00:58:37.900 It's a process in the body called insulin resistance.

00:58:41.000 So it's essentially over time,

00:58:43.280 your body becoming resistant to the hormone insulin.

00:58:46.040 And that is driven essentially by food,

00:58:49.220 diets that are high in starch and sugar,

00:58:51.680 ultra processed foods, being sedentary,

00:58:54.360 and also to some degree chronic stress.

00:58:56.720 And insulin itself, when it's raised chronically

00:59:00.660 for a long period of time,

00:59:01.660 or if you're eating a lot of junk food,

00:59:04.080 it directly is toxic to the inner lining of the heart artery.

00:59:07.980 So that's how it causes heart disease.

00:59:09.120 And that's accepted in the literature.

00:59:11.000 Why is it not well known or publicized?

00:59:13.040 Because not, never been really an effective drug

00:59:15.800 to tackle insulin resistance.

00:59:17.080 So it has then been proven in a trials

00:59:18.980 to prevent heart attacks.

00:59:20.840 And of course, you know,

00:59:22.280 there is no market for a healthy lifestyle really,

00:59:24.380 for just eating real food,

00:59:26.160 you know, not being sedentary.

00:59:27.160 Absolutely.

00:59:29.080 So that's really the missing link.

00:59:30.980 And when I institute this plan with my patients,

00:59:34.200 Megan, you know, the lifestyle plan,

00:59:36.120 based upon the, you know, best evidence,

00:59:37.920 and I don't say to my patients,

00:59:39.820 don't take statins.

00:59:40.660 I say, listen, this is the absolute benefit,

00:59:43.660 you know, without even talking about harms.

00:59:44.960 I mean, harms come in as well,

00:59:46.500 in terms of quality of life,

00:59:48.080 limiting side effects in particular,

00:59:49.380 like muscle fatigue,

00:59:50.220 like what Tony Roll experienced.

00:59:52.520 Most patients, when given that 1% figure,

00:59:55.000 Megan, don't want to take the pill.

00:59:56.440 And I actually write my letter

00:59:57.700 back to their general practitioner and say,

00:59:59.200 listen, the patient has decided

01:00:00.900 they don't want to take the statin.

01:00:02.180 I've given them the information

01:00:03.160 and their decision should be supported

01:00:05.360 in keeping with the principles

01:00:07.000 of ethical evidence-based medical practice.

01:00:09.880 So actually what the statin issue highlights

01:00:11.920 is that if we were practicing

01:00:13.240 true ethical evidence-based medicine

01:00:15.860 in healthcare, Megan,

01:00:17.400 we'd sort out the health crisis

01:00:18.820 very, very quickly.

01:00:20.960 How would you see,

01:00:22.380 so I think the way a lot of people

01:00:24.020 see heart disease

01:00:24.940 is you go to your cardiologist

01:00:26.640 and maybe they give you

01:00:28.360 an echocardiogram stress test combo

01:00:30.880 where they can see your heart

01:00:32.280 and how it handles stress.

01:00:34.340 And they'll see whether you have

01:00:35.920 a thickening of the walls

01:00:38.680 of your arteries.

01:00:40.060 That's the gold standard test,

01:00:42.760 I think,

01:00:43.560 other than getting that,

01:00:44.960 I guess, calcium score red

01:00:46.300 with injectable dye,

01:00:47.900 which is more invasive.

01:00:48.760 So if you see fatty buildup

01:00:51.240 on the walls of your arteries,

01:00:53.100 then you have a mystery to solve, right?

01:00:55.860 And today,

01:00:56.560 I think the doctor would say,

01:00:57.840 if you had it,

01:00:58.980 don't eat so much red meat,

01:01:00.580 don't eat fried food,

01:01:02.420 exercise more, right?

01:01:04.360 What would you say if you saw that?

01:01:06.260 Yeah, so on the red meat issue,

01:01:08.540 first of all,

01:01:09.820 just for full disclosure here,

01:01:12.740 Megan, in 2013,

01:01:14.020 I caused global controversy

01:01:15.540 when I wrote in the BMJ,

01:01:17.840 but formerly the British Medical Journal,

01:01:19.460 that the saturated fat

01:01:21.000 does not cause heart disease.

01:01:22.120 And the evidence for that

01:01:24.080 is now pretty much conclusive.

01:01:26.220 So that means that

01:01:27.120 eating foods like red meat

01:01:28.500 does not contribute

01:01:29.380 to heart disease at all.

01:01:30.200 In fact, I tell my patients,

01:01:31.680 I'm not worried about

01:01:32.660 how much red meat you consume

01:01:33.680 as long as you're following

01:01:34.520 the principles of what I call

01:01:35.680 a low refined carbohydrate

01:01:37.540 Mediterranean diet.

01:01:39.260 So that is definitely

01:01:41.600 not something that I recommend

01:01:43.040 patients to not do, right?

01:01:44.860 Eating red meat is not an issue

01:01:46.080 when it comes to heart disease.

01:01:48.780 And, you know,

01:01:49.340 even on the issues of, say,

01:01:50.460 colon cancer,

01:01:51.020 the evidence is only really

01:01:52.040 there for processed meat,

01:01:53.040 not really for red meat,

01:01:54.100 for real food.

01:01:55.400 And the dietary guidelines,

01:01:56.760 unfortunately,

01:01:57.200 in the US and in the UK

01:01:58.180 have really put at the base

01:02:00.900 to tell people to eat,

01:02:02.720 you know,

01:02:03.000 six to 11 servings,

01:02:04.080 I think,

01:02:04.380 in the US guidelines

01:02:05.300 of starchy foods,

01:02:06.700 which is the complete opposite

01:02:08.460 of the foods that you want to...

01:02:09.860 It's crazy.

01:02:10.640 Oh, it is absolutely insane

01:02:12.600 because these are the foods

01:02:14.040 that are going to drive

01:02:14.800 all these conditions.

01:02:15.580 It's not just about heart disease,

01:02:16.440 high blood pressure,

01:02:17.320 which is the single biggest risk

01:02:18.500 factor for death globally.

01:02:19.440 It's type 2 diabetes.

01:02:20.860 They all contribute to also,

01:02:22.420 you know,

01:02:22.600 it's not about longevity.

01:02:23.900 It's about quality of life as well.

01:02:25.280 If you've got type 2 diabetes,

01:02:26.440 you're massively increased risk

01:02:27.980 of depression,

01:02:28.640 chronic pain,

01:02:29.260 for example.

01:02:30.100 And then, of course,

01:02:30.600 then you've got the pills to take,

01:02:32.080 which aren't that effective,

01:02:33.000 by the way,

01:02:33.560 that give you side effects.

01:02:34.880 So a whole management,

01:02:35.920 really,

01:02:36.460 of people's health

01:02:37.940 in healthcare

01:02:38.660 is upside down.

01:02:40.380 What I do tell patients

01:02:41.780 to do, though,

01:02:43.040 is to adhere to a healthy life as well.

01:02:44.700 I use calcium scores

01:02:45.540 sometimes in patients

01:02:46.360 because they're a very good way.

01:02:48.720 It's an imaging...

01:02:49.540 For people that don't know this,

01:02:50.420 it's a form of imaging

01:02:51.720 which looks at coronary calcium,

01:02:53.700 nothing to do with diet,

01:02:55.100 which is a marker of inflammation

01:02:56.280 and buildup of plaque

01:02:57.660 or fatty deposits,

01:02:58.620 if you like,

01:02:59.500 within the arteries.

01:03:01.080 And it correlates also...

01:03:03.220 It gives a very accurate

01:03:04.260 representation, Megan,

01:03:05.620 of your risk of a heart attack

01:03:06.900 or stroke in the next decade.

01:03:08.920 But what's interesting is,

01:03:10.480 and certainly with my patients

01:03:11.660 and what the literature tells us,

01:03:13.080 if you look at it properly,

01:03:14.380 is that this is potentially reversible.

01:03:17.160 And, of course,

01:03:17.600 in the film,

01:03:18.200 First Do No Farm,

01:03:19.160 you know,

01:03:19.360 without giving too much away,

01:03:20.860 you know,

01:03:21.120 we end up going to India

01:03:22.100 to meet a cardiologist

01:03:23.380 who, for well over 20 years,

01:03:25.840 and it's published on this,

01:03:27.380 has been actually reversing

01:03:28.780 the blockages

01:03:29.660 within the arteries,

01:03:31.600 which most doctors,

01:03:32.740 and I can tell you,

01:03:33.560 almost every cardiologist

01:03:35.020 will not even think it's possible.

01:03:36.740 So he's done that

01:03:37.700 through a combination of lifestyle.

01:03:39.300 But the most important factor

01:03:41.280 from his research

01:03:42.320 that actually caused the reduction

01:03:44.720 in the blockages,

01:03:45.540 which I think is fascinating,

01:03:47.160 is actually through meditation.

01:03:49.580 And this can be explained.

01:03:51.240 And this is really interesting.

01:03:52.820 So chronic stress

01:03:54.340 is established as a risk factor

01:03:56.020 for heart disease,

01:03:56.680 the same as being a smoker

01:03:57.760 or having high blood pressure

01:03:58.900 or type 2 diabetes.

01:04:00.440 Okay?

01:04:00.580 But most of us

01:04:01.460 are not really dealing

01:04:02.040 with it properly.

01:04:03.200 And the process involved

01:04:04.300 is that if you look

01:04:05.840 from an evolutionary perspective,

01:04:07.480 you know,

01:04:07.840 acute stress obviously

01:04:09.000 can be life-saving.

01:04:10.340 But from an evolutionary perspective,

01:04:11.920 if we were in a jungle

01:04:13.400 and we're running away

01:04:14.340 from a tiger, for example,

01:04:16.180 when you're under

01:04:17.060 a state of acute stress,

01:04:18.680 the body releases

01:04:19.580 clotting factors

01:04:20.560 and inflammatory factors

01:04:22.780 so that if we were attacked

01:04:24.520 by that tiger,

01:04:25.600 we are not going to bleed to death

01:04:27.080 or it's going to reduce

01:04:27.800 our risk of bleeding to death.

01:04:28.800 Let's put it that way.

01:04:29.360 Now, this is chronically

01:04:31.400 going on in the body

01:04:33.160 at a low grade

01:04:33.980 when people are stressed,

01:04:35.520 you know, chronically stressed

01:04:36.520 and that's how it damages

01:04:37.540 the heart arteries.

01:04:38.940 And heart disease itself,

01:04:40.180 again, for many years

01:04:40.980 was thought to be a fixed issue.

01:04:42.500 You develop a blockage

01:04:43.340 and like a clogged pipe,

01:04:44.840 it gradually gets worse over time

01:04:46.360 and at some point

01:04:47.340 you're going to have

01:04:47.760 a heart attack.

01:04:48.840 But this is not true.

01:04:49.860 We know now

01:04:50.360 that it's a dynamic process

01:04:51.680 so it can be reversed, Megan.

01:04:53.500 And I think that's really

01:04:54.560 one of the most interesting,

01:04:56.160 fascinating aspects

01:04:57.060 of the new paradigm

01:04:58.820 in actually reversing,

01:05:00.940 not just preventing people

01:05:01.760 having heart attacks,

01:05:02.480 but actually reversing

01:05:03.460 the blockages.

01:05:04.460 And that's where we need

01:05:05.100 to do more research

01:05:05.820 and invest more

01:05:06.680 of our resources.

01:05:08.540 I want to get to the causes

01:05:10.000 of why we've been

01:05:11.280 so misled, for sure.

01:05:12.700 That's basically what

01:05:13.640 First Do No Farm

01:05:14.860 is about

01:05:15.520 and it's shocking.

01:05:17.120 RFKJ's in there.

01:05:18.140 Our audience will recognize

01:05:19.220 a lot of the faces.

01:05:20.100 Callie Means is in there. 0.90

01:05:21.600 Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's in there.

01:05:23.040 Great, great film.

01:05:23.860 In fact, before we go any further,

01:05:25.360 how can they see it?

01:05:26.200 Because it was sent to me

01:05:27.020 as a screener,

01:05:27.600 but how can our audience

01:05:28.280 see it?

01:05:29.140 Yeah, so it's on a website.

01:05:30.980 The website's

01:05:32.000 nofarmfilm.com.

01:05:33.340 So that's

01:05:33.660 no-n-o-t-h-a-r-m 1.00

01:05:35.220 film.com.

01:05:36.280 So they can download it

01:05:37.160 for about $10.

01:05:38.220 I mean, it was independently

01:05:39.020 funded, very low budget.

01:05:41.740 Great.

01:05:42.320 And yeah.

01:05:44.200 Okay, good.

01:05:44.860 So let's remember that

01:05:46.020 to see it.

01:05:47.200 But before we get to that,

01:05:48.200 you mentioned in passing

01:05:49.100 just there,

01:05:49.960 Mediterranean diet.

01:05:51.080 What else?

01:05:51.340 You added a couple phrases

01:05:52.180 on there.

01:05:52.500 Can you talk about eating?

01:05:53.400 Yeah, so I think

01:05:57.040 if we understand

01:05:59.380 heart disease to be

01:06:00.360 a chronically inflammatory

01:06:01.520 process,

01:06:02.340 which is exacerbated

01:06:03.940 by insulin resistance,

01:06:05.600 then the solution

01:06:07.760 to prevention

01:06:08.900 and managing heart disease

01:06:09.960 is to deal with

01:06:10.700 the chronic inflammation

01:06:11.500 and the insulin resistance.

01:06:13.300 So there are certain

01:06:14.380 components of the

01:06:15.120 Mediterranean diet

01:06:15.920 that have been shown

01:06:16.840 in studies.

01:06:18.500 You know,

01:06:18.740 there's not a lot of,

01:06:19.600 unfortunately,

01:06:19.980 nutrition science

01:06:20.620 is quite flawed.

01:06:23.800 But, you know,

01:06:24.940 the studies have shown

01:06:25.600 that they are,

01:06:27.320 there are certain

01:06:27.820 components of the

01:06:28.480 Mediterranean diet

01:06:29.060 that are anti-inflammatory.

01:06:30.400 So these anti-inflammatory

01:06:33.060 components come from

01:06:33.840 extra virgin olive oil,

01:06:35.420 oily fish,

01:06:36.020 nuts and seeds,

01:06:37.080 whole fruit and vegetables.

01:06:38.540 So as long as

01:06:39.180 the base of the diet

01:06:40.160 is really composed

01:06:41.700 of those foods

01:06:42.620 and you eliminate

01:06:43.460 the sugars

01:06:44.180 and too much

01:06:44.800 of the refined carbs,

01:06:45.880 that means

01:06:46.320 not too much bread,

01:06:48.000 pasta, rice,

01:06:48.620 potatoes, for example,

01:06:49.440 then you are basically

01:06:51.320 following the best

01:06:52.220 possible diet

01:06:52.840 when it comes to

01:06:53.600 heart disease.

01:06:55.800 Okay.

01:06:56.640 So I call it

01:06:58.060 a low-carb Mediterranean diet

01:07:00.000 is the way to describe it.

01:07:01.560 One question I have

01:07:02.460 for you is,

01:07:03.020 let's say,

01:07:03.880 I have listeners out there

01:07:05.020 and viewers who are,

01:07:06.420 you know,

01:07:06.820 60 years old

01:07:07.780 and they're like,

01:07:09.040 I'm constantly inflamed.

01:07:10.400 I've lived 60 years

01:07:11.680 of inflamed.

01:07:12.600 You know,

01:07:12.840 I've eaten all

01:07:13.920 the processed foods

01:07:14.800 but I'm inspired.

01:07:16.900 Now I'm going to,

01:07:17.660 I'm going to start tomorrow

01:07:18.640 with a Mediterranean diet

01:07:20.360 that's low-carb.

01:07:22.100 Can they undo

01:07:23.320 60 years of damage

01:07:25.540 or is it like

01:07:26.420 kind of a fait accompli

01:07:27.980 at this point?

01:07:28.520 I think a lot of people

01:07:29.180 are like,

01:07:29.540 forget it, 0.99

01:07:30.100 I'm screwed. 0.98

01:07:31.920 No, Megan, 0.98

01:07:32.580 actually,

01:07:33.000 that's a great part

01:07:33.800 of the,

01:07:34.220 there's a lot of hope here.

01:07:36.040 The,

01:07:36.500 you know,

01:07:36.940 there's evidence

01:07:37.620 that,

01:07:38.480 good evidence

01:07:39.080 that shows

01:07:39.560 and I've seen this

01:07:40.320 with my patients

01:07:40.940 that you can actually

01:07:42.240 start to reverse

01:07:42.980 the risk factors

01:07:43.800 for heart disease

01:07:44.600 and many other,

01:07:45.320 insulin resistance,

01:07:45.860 by the way,

01:07:46.160 isn't just about

01:07:46.620 heart disease, Megan,

01:07:47.320 it's probably after smoking

01:07:49.080 the most important risk

01:07:50.140 for cancer as well

01:07:51.140 and certainly linked

01:07:53.140 to Alzheimer's

01:07:53.740 as a,

01:07:54.220 you know,

01:07:54.760 as a prominent risk factor.

01:07:55.960 So if you sort

01:07:56.800 the insulin resistance out,

01:07:57.880 you're probably going to

01:07:58.880 solve a lot of the

01:07:59.640 chronic disease problems

01:08:00.620 in the whole of America

01:08:01.640 and this is the good news.

01:08:03.940 Within three weeks,

01:08:04.860 there's 21 days,

01:08:05.720 28 days,

01:08:06.340 you can actually start

01:08:07.160 to reverse those risk factors.

01:08:08.220 I've had patients

01:08:08.960 that have sent

01:08:09.760 their type 2 diabetes

01:08:10.940 that they've had

01:08:12.200 for 15 years

01:08:13.180 into remission

01:08:13.980 just by cutting out

01:08:15.220 the carbs.

01:08:16.960 Wow.

01:08:17.400 And is your body

01:08:18.460 then at zero

01:08:20.820 or are you closer

01:08:22.860 to death

01:08:23.560 than somebody

01:08:24.380 who's been living

01:08:25.240 well for their 60 years?

01:08:27.740 Listen,

01:08:28.120 it takes more

01:08:28.980 to reverse disease

01:08:31.280 than it does

01:08:31.660 to prevent it.

01:08:32.260 So it depends

01:08:32.720 from patient to patient.

01:08:34.680 But unless you try it,

01:08:35.520 you won't see.

01:08:36.520 But there'll definitely

01:08:37.420 be an improvement.

01:08:38.600 Now,

01:08:38.820 to what degree,

01:08:39.940 we don't know

01:08:40.560 until you try doing this.

01:08:41.860 But certainly

01:08:42.540 with my patients,

01:08:43.400 I say,

01:08:43.700 listen,

01:08:43.900 do this for three

01:08:44.460 to six weeks,

01:08:45.740 certainly I think

01:08:46.740 the maximum improvement

01:08:48.040 you will see

01:08:48.680 in terms of blood markers,

01:08:51.080 you know,

01:08:51.440 linked to high blood pressure

01:08:52.520 or type 2 diabetes,

01:08:53.820 for example,

01:08:54.900 will happen,

01:08:55.840 you know,

01:08:56.060 about three months.

01:08:56.980 But it can go on

01:08:57.940 for longer than that.

01:08:59.320 I think what's really interesting

01:09:00.260 is...

01:09:00.560 Is there a cookbook

01:09:00.580 that you like

01:09:01.140 that you recommend?

01:09:02.680 Well,

01:09:03.040 I've actually written

01:09:04.620 three books myself.

01:09:06.180 And the first book

01:09:07.100 I wrote

01:09:07.340 has a lot of recipes

01:09:08.140 and it's called

01:09:08.640 The P.O.P. Diet,

01:09:09.560 P-I-O-P-P-I, 1.00

01:09:10.580 which is based upon

01:09:11.760 the original village,

01:09:14.620 which was behind

01:09:15.260 the Mediterranean diet.

01:09:16.540 But my more recent book,

01:09:17.760 which probably

01:09:18.280 is more up-to-date

01:09:19.320 and more concise

01:09:20.180 and relevant

01:09:20.680 to our conversation today,

01:09:21.820 is called

01:09:22.060 The Statin-Free Life.

01:09:24.180 And in that book,

01:09:24.980 there are recipes

01:09:26.220 and a diet plan

01:09:27.080 and everything else.

01:09:27.720 And it explains

01:09:28.240 the whole cholesterol issue

01:09:29.080 and heart disease

01:09:29.540 reversing as well.

01:09:30.900 That's great.

01:09:31.540 So just to give somebody,

01:09:32.620 people a place

01:09:33.360 to get started

01:09:33.980 as we go into the holidays,

01:09:35.180 it's a good place

01:09:35.760 to kick it off.

01:09:36.820 All right,

01:09:37.000 so let's talk about causation

01:09:38.760 because when you first came out,

01:09:40.360 you mentioned

01:09:42.140 you caused quite a stir,

01:09:44.040 but the industry

01:09:45.920 wanted to cancel you

01:09:47.440 at almost every turn

01:09:48.500 and you published a paper

01:09:49.700 in the BMI,

01:09:53.180 what was it called,

01:09:53.820 the BMJ?

01:09:54.320 BMJ.

01:09:54.760 BMJ.

01:09:55.380 Yep.

01:09:56.260 And they tried

01:09:57.980 to get your paper pulled.

01:10:00.380 Your film has an interview

01:10:01.840 with the woman 0.73

01:10:02.340 who was running it

01:10:03.120 at the time

01:10:03.660 who didn't know

01:10:04.940 whether she was on your side

01:10:05.980 or not,

01:10:06.780 who was open-minded

01:10:07.480 to pulling it

01:10:08.120 if you had misstated facts

01:10:09.780 and misled people.

01:10:11.260 And she's pretty forthright

01:10:12.620 about how once,

01:10:14.080 you know,

01:10:14.240 they wanted to see data

01:10:15.400 and so on and so on,

01:10:16.500 but they ended up

01:10:17.440 not pulling it

01:10:19.140 and saying to the people

01:10:20.500 who are criticizing you,

01:10:21.840 why don't you write a rebuttal

01:10:23.840 if you feel differently?

01:10:25.120 And they didn't really

01:10:26.000 want to do that.

01:10:27.260 So this all kind of gets to

01:10:29.300 there's an absence

01:10:31.000 of honest data

01:10:32.340 from the people

01:10:33.640 who are telling us

01:10:34.860 things like statins

01:10:36.340 are perfectly safe

01:10:37.840 with a very,

01:10:38.520 very good side effect profile.

01:10:41.220 It's not just

01:10:41.760 the statin drug makers.

01:10:43.420 It's drug makers

01:10:44.580 for the most part

01:10:45.440 who just,

01:10:46.920 they hide information

01:10:48.560 even from the people

01:10:50.460 who are charged

01:10:51.520 with reviewing their drugs

01:10:53.440 and telling the rest of us

01:10:54.460 whether their drugs are safe.

01:10:56.960 Yeah, absolutely, Megan.

01:10:58.360 So, you know,

01:10:58.940 medical knowledge

01:10:59.660 is under commercial control,

01:11:01.200 but most doctors

01:11:01.800 don't know that.

01:11:02.860 And just to give you

01:11:03.740 how bad the situation is,

01:11:06.120 20 to 50%

01:11:07.220 of all healthcare

01:11:08.380 activity in the United States

01:11:09.500 and you spend

01:11:10.060 almost more than

01:11:10.880 $4 trillion

01:11:11.320 in healthcare

01:11:12.260 actually brings

01:11:14.640 no benefit to the patient,

01:11:15.820 is wasteful or harmful.

01:11:16.680 And the reason for this

01:11:18.840 is that most doctors

01:11:20.080 and policy makers

01:11:20.800 are unaware

01:11:21.140 of the poor quality research

01:11:22.700 that drives overuse

01:11:24.260 in terms of over-medicated people,

01:11:26.100 under use of simpler,

01:11:27.040 safer lifestyle options,

01:11:29.300 avoidable adverse events,

01:11:31.160 waste,

01:11:31.640 and missed opportunities

01:11:32.380 to give the right patient

01:11:33.180 the right treatment

01:11:33.700 at the right time.

01:11:34.680 So that's really

01:11:35.280 the major issue here.

01:11:37.580 And the way

01:11:38.600 to overcome this

01:11:39.540 or to solve this problem

01:11:40.440 is to make sure

01:11:41.160 that, you know,

01:11:42.140 drug trials

01:11:42.960 are independently evaluated

01:11:44.120 or, you know,

01:11:45.780 take things further.

01:11:47.080 I mean,

01:11:47.300 if you look at the history

01:11:48.040 of the drug industry

01:11:49.100 over the last few decades,

01:11:50.940 most drugs they produce

01:11:51.920 are copies of old ones.

01:11:53.280 You know,

01:11:53.400 they take an old generic drug,

01:11:54.800 they change the molecules

01:11:55.880 here and there,

01:11:56.380 they patent it,

01:11:57.020 make lots of money,

01:11:57.620 which is, of course,

01:11:58.400 a huge waste.

01:11:59.760 You know,

01:11:59.900 the American taxpayer,

01:12:01.340 American public

01:12:01.960 are paying lots of money

01:12:03.200 for something

01:12:03.640 that could be a lot cheaper

01:12:05.000 with an old generic drug.

01:12:07.640 And then, of course,

01:12:08.980 there's the harm issue

01:12:09.980 because what they do

01:12:11.540 is that the results

01:12:12.660 of their trials

01:12:13.460 that they design,

01:12:14.660 they control,

01:12:15.280 they analyze,

01:12:16.000 they publish in medical journals

01:12:17.080 who, by the way,

01:12:17.660 take a lot of money

01:12:18.240 from industry as well,

01:12:19.240 which comes out in the film,

01:12:21.000 will grossly exaggerate

01:12:22.420 the safety and benefits

01:12:23.400 of those drugs.

01:12:24.080 So no informed consent

01:12:25.140 is truly happening.

01:12:26.660 And of course,

01:12:27.080 it doesn't take a rocket scientist

01:12:28.160 to figure out

01:12:28.680 if a doctor is making

01:12:29.640 clinical decisions

01:12:30.680 on corrupted

01:12:31.940 and biased information,

01:12:33.240 Megan,

01:12:34.160 at best,

01:12:34.800 it's going to lead

01:12:35.740 to suboptimal

01:12:36.540 outcomes for patients

01:12:37.440 and at worst,

01:12:37.940 it's going to do harm.

01:12:39.140 You know,

01:12:39.420 and even pre-pandemic,

01:12:41.100 the third most common

01:12:42.040 cause of death,

01:12:42.940 and this is still,

01:12:43.580 when I talk about this

01:12:44.540 at lectures,

01:12:45.060 people gasp,

01:12:45.680 even doctors.

01:12:47.240 The third most common

01:12:48.220 cause of death globally

01:12:49.140 after heart disease

01:12:50.100 and cancer

01:12:50.680 is prescribed medications

01:12:52.420 according to one,

01:12:53.220 you know,

01:12:53.760 analysis.

01:12:54.440 So it's really

01:12:55.960 a massive problem.

01:12:56.760 It's a major public health issue.

01:12:58.500 And what the main focus

01:13:00.080 and of course,

01:13:01.440 you know,

01:13:01.640 part of this

01:13:02.260 Maha movement

01:13:03.180 and what Robert Kennedy Jr.

01:13:04.780 and like,

01:13:05.040 so Jay Bhattacharya

01:13:05.740 and Marty McCurry

01:13:06.420 want to do

01:13:06.940 is one of the most

01:13:08.440 important things

01:13:08.940 is to get

01:13:09.520 the American population,

01:13:11.200 you know,

01:13:11.660 reducing the medications

01:13:12.580 they're taking

01:13:13.180 and then trying to,

01:13:14.260 you know,

01:13:15.200 empower them

01:13:16.240 and create environments

01:13:17.040 so they can flourish

01:13:17.920 from a health perspective

01:13:19.640 through a lifestyle.

01:13:21.740 They're,

01:13:22.380 they like,

01:13:23.260 anybody who's associated

01:13:24.360 with medicine,

01:13:26.080 never,

01:13:26.560 forget the magazine world,

01:13:27.820 they're on a different page,

01:13:28.880 wants you to lose weight.

01:13:29.920 Any real doctor

01:13:32.000 is against obesity,

01:13:34.180 which is probably,

01:13:35.600 you know,

01:13:36.020 the number one

01:13:36.720 or a huge risk factor

01:13:38.000 for so many diseases,

01:13:39.560 including diabetes,

01:13:40.500 which just doesn't lead

01:13:41.220 anyplace good.

01:13:42.460 And what they have said

01:13:44.120 on this show

01:13:44.680 and elsewhere is

01:13:45.540 eat better,

01:13:47.180 move more,

01:13:48.460 right?

01:13:48.680 Like that's really

01:13:49.480 what we're looking to do

01:13:50.540 and throw out

01:13:51.500 that food pyramid

01:13:52.400 and stop,

01:13:53.900 you know,

01:13:54.460 eating six to 10 grains

01:13:56.180 a day and so on.

01:13:57.560 What we've done

01:13:58.480 over in America

01:13:59.200 and now increasingly

01:14:00.260 in other parts

01:14:00.780 of the world

01:14:01.220 is take Ozempic.

01:14:03.020 And I,

01:14:03.860 I get the pushback

01:14:05.480 to Ozempic

01:14:06.060 as that's not the answer,

01:14:07.740 you know,

01:14:08.400 eat better

01:14:09.000 and exercise more.

01:14:10.800 But this film,

01:14:12.080 like some other

01:14:13.020 pieces and books

01:14:14.480 and films

01:14:15.180 has suggested

01:14:16.340 it's worse than that.

01:14:17.860 Like Ozempic

01:14:18.540 actually is in the category

01:14:20.140 of violating

01:14:20.960 the do no harm rule.

01:14:22.680 Like it actually

01:14:23.340 may be more dangerous

01:14:24.720 than it is beneficial.

01:14:25.940 And I want to ask you

01:14:27.000 about that

01:14:27.320 because the whole thing

01:14:28.500 is reducing inflammation

01:14:30.220 and this drug

01:14:32.340 helps one

01:14:33.080 eat less

01:14:34.000 and therefore

01:14:35.280 potentially reduce

01:14:36.220 inflammation.

01:14:36.980 It was recently cited

01:14:37.920 in a medical article

01:14:38.680 saying it may reduce

01:14:39.640 your risk

01:14:40.400 for Alzheimer's

01:14:41.400 because of its

01:14:42.100 reduction in risk

01:14:43.600 for inflammation

01:14:44.840 for the people

01:14:45.660 who take it.

01:14:48.240 What I would say

01:14:49.060 first and foremost

01:14:49.700 is that

01:14:50.400 when it comes

01:14:51.100 to medical journal articles,

01:14:52.620 you know,

01:14:52.760 remember there's

01:14:53.180 industry-sponsored trials.

01:14:54.340 So if it comes

01:14:55.020 from the drug industry,

01:14:56.080 just don't believe

01:14:56.540 any of it.

01:14:57.000 And that isn't my view,

01:14:57.880 that's the view

01:14:58.560 of Catherine D'Angelo

01:14:59.360 as one of the earliest

01:15:00.120 editors of JAMA.

01:15:02.780 With Ozempic,

01:15:03.760 one of the issues

01:15:04.520 with Ozempic

01:15:04.960 is it basically stops you,

01:15:06.300 it controls,

01:15:07.140 you know,

01:15:07.480 it reduces appetite massively.

01:15:09.480 But the issue

01:15:10.600 with Ozempic,

01:15:11.660 which is of great concern,

01:15:13.220 is that, you know,

01:15:13.900 when you lose weight,

01:15:14.600 you want to lose body fat,

01:15:15.440 you don't lose muscle.

01:15:16.620 And, you know,

01:15:17.060 you basically end up

01:15:17.780 losing 50% muscle,

01:15:19.200 50% body fat.

01:15:21.160 There are all these

01:15:21.660 other side effects

01:15:22.380 that, again,

01:15:22.860 are underreported

01:15:23.600 in the trials

01:15:24.100 that we're now seeing

01:15:24.720 in the real world,

01:15:25.360 including, you know,

01:15:26.280 stomach paralysis,

01:15:27.280 nausea, vomiting.

01:15:29.160 I think it probably

01:15:30.420 has a role,

01:15:32.060 Megan,

01:15:32.460 in a very, very small

01:15:33.540 minority of people

01:15:34.440 who have tried everything

01:15:35.400 and are morbidly obese

01:15:36.440 and are really struggling.

01:15:37.460 But I think

01:15:38.060 99% of people

01:15:39.680 who are taking Ozempic

01:15:41.260 shouldn't be on it.

01:15:42.140 I think it's going to do

01:15:42.780 more harm than good.

01:15:44.480 I think it has to be

01:15:45.280 sort of a lifestyle change.

01:15:47.020 Here's Dr. Robert Lustig

01:15:49.100 in the piece

01:15:49.900 talking about

01:15:50.780 how it works,

01:15:51.640 SOT35.

01:15:52.120 Yes, there is

01:15:54.860 a 16% weight loss.

01:15:56.240 What is that weight?

01:15:57.600 Turns out it's equal 0.65

01:15:58.460 amounts of fat and muscle.

01:15:59.980 Using as much muscle

01:16:01.640 as fat

01:16:02.320 is not a good thing.

01:16:04.240 These two drugs,

01:16:05.880 semaglutide

01:16:06.480 and also the third one,

01:16:07.980 terzepatide,

01:16:09.820 lead to

01:16:10.620 nausea,

01:16:12.880 vomiting,

01:16:15.120 pancreatitis,

01:16:16.620 and now

01:16:18.000 there's a warning label

01:16:19.500 on Ozempic

01:16:20.120 Ozempic

01:16:20.720 for

01:16:21.220 gastroparesis

01:16:23.180 which means

01:16:24.480 stomach not moving,

01:16:26.300 stomach paralyzed,

01:16:27.960 stomach turns to stone

01:16:29.740 and guess what?

01:16:31.240 It lasts

01:16:32.120 way beyond

01:16:33.860 the discontinuation

01:16:35.280 of the drug.

01:16:36.200 In fact,

01:16:36.740 that's why

01:16:37.480 the drugs work

01:16:38.380 is because

01:16:39.080 you can't eat

01:16:40.400 because it delays

01:16:42.480 gastric emptying.

01:16:43.800 It delays your stomach

01:16:44.720 from being able

01:16:45.500 to

01:16:45.980 move the food along.

01:16:48.540 You think

01:16:48.920 that's a great way

01:16:49.920 to lose weight?

01:16:51.300 In fact,

01:16:52.560 if you can't eat

01:16:53.420 that starvation,

01:16:54.640 well,

01:16:55.220 the fat in the muscle

01:16:56.200 shows that's how it works.

01:16:59.640 Stomach to stone.

01:17:01.100 I have not heard

01:17:02.220 about that side effect

01:17:03.440 from these drugs.

01:17:04.820 What's that?

01:17:06.440 Well,

01:17:06.640 it's just basically

01:17:07.200 it just means

01:17:07.720 that the stomach

01:17:09.200 stops working.

01:17:10.020 The peristalsis,

01:17:10.920 usually what

01:17:11.580 passes food

01:17:13.080 through our body

01:17:13.980 basically just becomes

01:17:15.160 you know,

01:17:16.680 just stops

01:17:17.500 essentially

01:17:18.060 and then probably

01:17:18.680 hardens up.

01:17:20.140 Yeah.

01:17:21.440 Pretty horrific.

01:17:22.040 Why aren't people

01:17:22.520 dropping dead?

01:17:23.480 I mean,

01:17:23.680 that seems like

01:17:24.340 it would kill you.

01:17:25.720 Yeah, 0.91

01:17:25.980 I mean,

01:17:26.640 yeah,

01:17:27.080 I think,

01:17:27.880 well,

01:17:28.040 most people get

01:17:28.640 into the hospital

01:17:29.240 and probably get

01:17:29.720 put in drips

01:17:30.220 and everything else

01:17:30.880 and,

01:17:31.360 you know,

01:17:31.620 they wait

01:17:32.000 until things

01:17:32.360 start to improve.

01:17:33.160 So,

01:17:33.460 you know,

01:17:33.700 it won't necessarily

01:17:34.640 kill you, 0.98

01:17:35.200 but it's not very good. 1.00

01:17:36.760 It's not ideal.

01:17:37.360 It's not pleasant.

01:17:38.260 Yeah.

01:17:39.220 Okay,

01:17:39.780 so back to the problem

01:17:41.720 of the non-disclosure

01:17:42.600 of information

01:17:43.180 and of big pharma

01:17:44.380 controlling the messaging

01:17:45.580 around their drugs.

01:17:47.140 I did not realize

01:17:48.500 that sort of the birth

01:17:50.220 of these so-called

01:17:51.140 scientific magazines

01:17:52.460 involved big pharma

01:17:55.000 and that was kind of

01:17:57.000 all part of the plan.

01:17:58.280 The way I understand it

01:17:59.240 from Do No Farm,

01:18:00.700 your film,

01:18:02.000 is of all people,

01:18:04.380 Ghislaine Maxwell's father

01:18:06.040 was in on the ground floor

01:18:08.380 of forging this

01:18:09.680 unholy alliance

01:18:11.720 and we have

01:18:12.760 a little clip

01:18:13.920 from the movie

01:18:14.680 Do No Farm

01:18:15.300 about this.

01:18:16.000 I'd love to watch it

01:18:16.920 and then have you explain

01:18:18.040 what happened here.

01:18:19.100 Sot 31.

01:18:20.600 A steep profitable

01:18:21.480 commercial model

01:18:22.460 underpinning

01:18:23.320 the modern medical

01:18:24.240 publishing industry

01:18:25.360 was established

01:18:26.520 by the controversial

01:18:27.760 British business titan

01:18:29.180 Robert Maxwell.

01:18:30.500 Maxwell recognized

01:18:31.440 and exploited

01:18:32.400 the appeal

01:18:33.060 of scientific notoriety

01:18:34.680 amongst researchers

01:18:35.840 and scientists

01:18:36.900 to win their approval

01:18:38.340 for hundreds

01:18:39.100 of new journal titles

01:18:40.500 and their participation

01:18:42.300 as unpaid

01:18:43.480 peer reviewers.

01:18:45.300 With research content

01:18:46.500 willingly provided

01:18:47.520 by drug companies,

01:18:48.820 the Maxwell model

01:18:49.840 marry a free-of-charge

01:18:51.480 content and peer review process

01:18:53.400 with a lucrative

01:18:54.620 subscription model

01:18:55.700 to generate

01:18:56.640 unheard-of

01:18:57.600 profit margins

01:18:58.440 for a publishing business.

01:19:00.140 Maxwell sold his empire

01:19:01.520 for more than

01:19:02.160 half a billion dollars

01:19:03.440 in 1991.

01:19:05.500 But his fingerprints

01:19:06.440 remain

01:19:07.320 on one of the world's

01:19:08.760 most profitable

01:19:09.660 publishing opportunities.

01:19:12.820 The father of

01:19:14.480 Jeffrey Epstein's

01:19:15.600 longtime partner,

01:19:16.660 Ghislaine Maxwell.

01:19:17.480 It says the headline

01:19:18.120 of the article

01:19:18.640 underlying the quote

01:19:19.820 was the man

01:19:20.480 who bought

01:19:21.020 and sold science.

01:19:22.620 Go ahead.

01:19:23.640 Yeah, it's extraordinary.

01:19:24.580 I think, you know,

01:19:25.180 what this highlights

01:19:25.920 again, Megan,

01:19:27.260 and, you know,

01:19:28.640 when we had a screening

01:19:29.720 in London,

01:19:30.960 the Alessa Square Odeon,

01:19:31.960 there were a lot of doctors

01:19:32.660 that came and they were

01:19:33.520 absolutely shocked

01:19:34.740 with what they heard

01:19:36.080 because Fiona Godley,

01:19:38.060 the form editor of the BMJ,

01:19:39.320 who's been a giant

01:19:39.980 medical publishing,

01:19:40.940 she basically says,

01:19:42.120 you know,

01:19:42.460 that medical journals

01:19:43.300 are essentially businesses.

01:19:45.020 Now, as a doctor

01:19:46.200 that, you know,

01:19:46.920 has been conventionally trained,

01:19:48.780 you know,

01:19:48.960 we were taught

01:19:49.800 that if it's published

01:19:51.340 in the medical journal,

01:19:52.320 The Lancet,

01:19:53.020 or, you know,

01:19:53.880 JAMA,

01:19:54.920 New England Journal of Medicine,

01:19:56.680 Megan,

01:19:57.060 that it was like

01:19:57.580 gospel truth,

01:19:58.640 gospel scientific truth,

01:19:59.920 and nothing could be

01:20:01.340 further from the truth,

01:20:02.060 partly because

01:20:02.640 there's a lack

01:20:03.800 of acknowledgement

01:20:04.300 and realization

01:20:04.840 that one medicine

01:20:05.840 isn't an exact science

01:20:07.000 and it's an applied science,

01:20:08.920 which means it's

01:20:09.440 constantly evolving,

01:20:10.440 but it also means

01:20:11.020 it can be manipulated.

01:20:12.760 And the other side of it

01:20:14.080 is, of course,

01:20:14.580 the medical journals,

01:20:16.040 and again,

01:20:16.640 most doctors don't know this,

01:20:18.080 are reliant on funding

01:20:19.180 from big pharma

01:20:19.900 and often can get

01:20:21.220 millions of dollars

01:20:22.320 for publishing

01:20:23.340 one article

01:20:24.080 on a particular drug.

01:20:26.600 And the way that works

01:20:28.300 is the drug companies

01:20:29.540 will, you know,

01:20:31.500 do a drug trial,

01:20:33.860 publish it in a medical journal,

01:20:35.420 and then it's not

01:20:36.440 just about advertising.

01:20:37.300 They pay the medical journal

01:20:38.580 for reprints

01:20:39.780 of the article

01:20:40.460 that then gets used

01:20:42.560 as marketing material

01:20:44.480 where they can take it

01:20:45.380 to doctors

01:20:45.800 or give it to them

01:20:46.740 at conferences.

01:20:48.220 And one of the most,

01:20:49.220 I think,

01:20:49.700 horrific examples

01:20:50.760 of how this happens

01:20:53.560 or how this works

01:20:54.380 in terms of that whole system

01:20:55.640 was what happened

01:20:56.620 with Vioxx.

01:20:57.720 You know,

01:20:57.940 John Abrams talks about this

01:20:59.100 in the film from Harvard

01:21:00.160 and he,

01:21:01.060 this was a blockbuster drug

01:21:02.400 in the late 90s

01:21:03.400 that was initially marketed

01:21:04.860 under being better

01:21:06.020 than ibuprofen

01:21:06.800 as an anti-inflammatory drug

01:21:08.000 because it gave less

01:21:08.940 stomach side effects.

01:21:10.640 The drug company

01:21:11.420 was Merck.

01:21:12.740 The original trials

01:21:13.720 were published

01:21:14.080 in Neurological Medicine

01:21:14.860 and ultimately

01:21:16.080 it was found

01:21:17.120 that Merck

01:21:17.820 had withheld data

01:21:18.780 showing even

01:21:19.400 from the beginning

01:21:20.040 that it increased

01:21:21.080 the risk

01:21:21.560 of cardiovascular events,

01:21:23.200 heart attack,

01:21:23.640 stroke, 0.61

01:21:23.920 death,

01:21:24.520 by at least two

01:21:25.100 to fourfold

01:21:25.800 and ultimately

01:21:27.280 probably killed

01:21:27.980 at least 60,000 Americans.

01:21:30.080 Merck were fined

01:21:30.640 almost a billion dollars

01:21:31.440 in 2011.

01:21:32.920 But when John Abramson

01:21:34.080 was involved

01:21:35.620 in the litigation process,

01:21:37.440 what he found

01:21:38.200 was that,

01:21:39.400 you know,

01:21:39.720 not only did Merck

01:21:40.840 obviously know about this

01:21:41.800 through internal emails,

01:21:42.720 their chief scientist

01:21:43.320 basically saying

01:21:44.200 it's unfortunate

01:21:45.040 that these cardiovascular

01:21:46.160 effects are there

01:21:47.100 but the drug will do well

01:21:48.060 and we will do well.

01:21:49.400 But when the FDA

01:21:50.340 wrote to Merck

01:21:51.620 to say,

01:21:52.140 and they realized

01:21:52.840 there was a problem,

01:21:53.960 these heart attacks

01:21:54.720 for example

01:21:55.200 and said

01:21:55.480 you need to put

01:21:55.840 a black box warning

01:21:56.760 on the packaging

01:21:58.120 of Vioxx,

01:21:59.540 what did Merck do?

01:22:00.720 They doubled down

01:22:01.840 on their marketing

01:22:02.540 and they gave,

01:22:03.760 you know,

01:22:04.700 they paid the

01:22:05.460 New England

01:22:05.640 of Medicine,

01:22:08.400 you know,

01:22:08.600 hundreds of thousands

01:22:09.320 of dollars more

01:22:10.000 to get more

01:22:10.620 of those reprints

01:22:11.440 so they could market

01:22:12.760 it to doctors.

01:22:13.500 It's just absolutely shocking.

01:22:14.980 It's horrifying.

01:22:16.160 What's the diagnosis

01:22:17.080 here though?

01:22:17.660 You see,

01:22:17.900 I'm a root cause

01:22:18.600 analysis person.

01:22:20.300 I don't want to say

01:22:21.020 this to be inflammatory,

01:22:22.500 Megan,

01:22:22.660 it's actually accurate.

01:22:23.860 You know,

01:22:24.540 in the book,

01:22:25.100 The Corporation

01:22:25.720 and the documentary

01:22:26.900 from well over 20 years ago

01:22:28.540 there's a new one

01:22:29.160 called The New Corporation

01:22:29.900 made by law professor

01:22:31.420 Joel Buchan.

01:22:32.940 The preeminent expert

01:22:34.080 in forensic psychology

01:22:35.140 behind psychopathy

01:22:36.460 Robert Hare

01:22:37.280 actually diagnoses

01:22:38.280 the corporation

01:22:39.900 as an entity,

01:22:40.600 not individuals

01:22:41.240 but the entity,

01:22:42.720 the corporation 0.86

01:22:43.480 as being psychopathic

01:22:44.600 in its pursuit for profit.

01:22:45.920 So callous and concerned

01:22:47.180 for the safety of others,

01:22:48.300 incapacity to experience guilt,

01:22:50.520 repeat of lying,

01:22:51.240 conning others for profit

01:22:52.220 and that hasn't changed

01:22:53.820 and that hasn't been

01:22:54.440 challenged or rebutted.

01:22:55.440 So this is the big problem

01:22:56.820 we have

01:22:57.320 is that we've created

01:22:58.440 we almost as a society

01:22:59.860 in a way

01:23:00.260 we've allowed

01:23:00.900 the creation of these

01:23:02.100 big corporations

01:23:03.460 to almost

01:23:04.840 through legal means 0.96

01:23:06.140 be psychopathic

01:23:07.260 in the way they make money

01:23:08.200 and the rest of society suffers.

01:23:10.360 So until we sort that out

01:23:11.500 at the root

01:23:12.100 this problem

01:23:13.200 is only going to continue

01:23:14.160 and what they also do

01:23:15.340 in the way that they exist.

01:23:16.520 Yeah.

01:23:16.660 I was going to say

01:23:18.180 we know that Big Pharma

01:23:19.960 has infiltrated

01:23:20.920 organizations like the FDA

01:23:22.660 which has a revolving door

01:23:24.120 to Big Pharma

01:23:25.660 and therefore the people

01:23:26.700 who approve the drugs

01:23:27.800 that we take

01:23:28.620 and we give our children

01:23:29.560 and get from our doctors

01:23:30.620 are not

01:23:31.560 they're compromised.

01:23:32.820 They're trying to please

01:23:34.520 the Pfizer's of the world

01:23:36.400 and the

01:23:37.300 I'm trying to think of

01:23:39.040 the company

01:23:39.700 that produced Oxycontin

01:23:41.640 with the Sackler family.

01:23:44.300 I was forgetting

01:23:44.560 Purdue Pharma.

01:23:45.500 Purdue Pharma.

01:23:46.060 Yeah.

01:23:46.720 Purdue Pharma.

01:23:47.340 Thank you.

01:23:47.960 They're trying to please

01:23:48.920 Purdue Pharma

01:23:49.620 because that's how

01:23:50.340 they get paid

01:23:51.220 when they leave

01:23:52.200 government service

01:23:52.900 but this is something

01:23:54.280 in addition.

01:23:55.460 It's also these

01:23:56.500 you know

01:23:57.700 respected medical journals

01:23:59.560 that are the ones

01:24:00.360 that put out

01:24:00.900 I mean I

01:24:01.420 I've received articles

01:24:03.140 like that from my own doctor

01:24:04.260 when I say

01:24:04.620 hey what about this?

01:24:05.720 Hey is this something

01:24:06.240 I should worry about?

01:24:07.360 And he'll send me an article

01:24:08.360 from one of these places

01:24:10.980 and you're giving us

01:24:12.940 a whole new way

01:24:13.640 of looking at these

01:24:14.520 with a big asterisk

01:24:15.780 on these articles

01:24:17.300 you do feature

01:24:18.580 as I mentioned

01:24:19.160 RFKJ in the film

01:24:21.300 again it's at

01:24:22.440 NoFarm

01:24:23.300 spelled P-H-A-R-M 0.96

01:24:24.740 film dot com

01:24:25.460 NoFarmFilm dot com

01:24:26.720 where he is talking

01:24:28.220 I believe this is

01:24:28.820 when he was running

01:24:29.640 for president

01:24:30.340 as opposed to now

01:24:31.320 tapped for

01:24:32.800 HHS secretary

01:24:34.560 on what he thinks

01:24:35.880 should happen

01:24:36.280 to these medical journals.

01:24:37.280 Here it is

01:24:37.680 at 32.

01:24:38.380 They are presenting

01:24:40.480 themselves

01:24:41.120 to medical professionals

01:24:43.100 as a

01:24:44.520 as an arbiter

01:24:45.760 of truth

01:24:46.360 and as a

01:24:47.700 neutral referee

01:24:48.560 and a reliable

01:24:49.980 referee of the truth

01:24:51.220 and those medical

01:24:52.840 and they know

01:24:53.640 that those medical

01:24:54.300 professionals

01:24:55.060 are relying

01:24:56.900 on journal articles

01:24:57.860 to treat patients

01:24:59.360 and that

01:25:00.140 that if they

01:25:01.580 tell a lie

01:25:02.480 if they're committing

01:25:04.100 fraud

01:25:04.720 that they can

01:25:06.840 injure and kill people 0.97

01:25:07.820 so you know 1.00

01:25:08.640 I believe

01:25:09.120 they can be

01:25:09.680 prosecuted

01:25:10.440 and not only

01:25:11.080 can they be

01:25:11.540 prosecuted

01:25:12.040 for those injuries

01:25:12.840 but they can be

01:25:14.800 prosecuted

01:25:15.320 on the racketeering

01:25:16.240 statutes

01:25:17.220 or promoting fraud

01:25:18.400 so I will

01:25:19.760 I'm going to do that

01:25:20.800 as soon as I get

01:25:21.700 in there.

01:25:23.540 Just as a process

01:25:24.780 question here

01:25:26.360 Doc

01:25:26.820 I think

01:25:28.120 one of the reasons

01:25:28.840 I'm excited

01:25:29.420 about RFKJ

01:25:30.620 possibly

01:25:31.880 coming in

01:25:32.740 as our HHS

01:25:33.780 chief is

01:25:34.960 I think he's

01:25:35.720 all over these issues

01:25:36.660 I think he's

01:25:37.780 been living a life

01:25:39.000 as a litigator

01:25:39.920 in this sphere

01:25:41.440 where he's been

01:25:43.100 on to a lot

01:25:44.120 of this stuff

01:25:44.640 long before

01:25:45.580 the rest of the

01:25:47.180 medical and even

01:25:48.140 legal community

01:25:48.980 do you think

01:25:50.340 I'm right?

01:25:51.900 Yeah

01:25:52.040 100%

01:25:52.680 Megan

01:25:53.000 I mean I've

01:25:53.480 known Robert

01:25:54.240 Kennedy Jr.

01:25:55.280 for a few years

01:25:56.080 you know

01:25:57.060 we've spoken

01:25:58.320 at events together

01:25:59.300 we've spoken

01:26:00.080 a lot

01:26:00.520 with each other

01:26:01.160 I'm very

01:26:03.260 very impressed

01:26:03.840 with him

01:26:04.380 in terms of

01:26:04.960 his deep

01:26:06.340 knowledge of

01:26:06.880 the issues

01:26:07.360 his integrity

01:26:08.160 his ability

01:26:08.700 to communicate

01:26:09.280 he is very

01:26:09.960 unique

01:26:10.360 and he's

01:26:11.120 absolutely

01:26:11.520 the right

01:26:11.940 person

01:26:12.320 in my view

01:26:13.000 to be

01:26:13.380 leading HHS

01:26:14.320 to sort

01:26:14.800 these problems

01:26:15.300 out

01:26:15.580 so where

01:26:17.360 what should

01:26:18.300 somebody trust

01:26:19.080 if they're

01:26:19.360 going to

01:26:19.660 google a

01:26:20.300 drug that

01:26:20.880 their doctor

01:26:21.600 has recommended

01:26:22.460 to them

01:26:23.120 I mean

01:26:23.860 can we

01:26:24.180 trust

01:26:24.540 the NIH

01:26:25.700 website

01:26:26.620 because you

01:26:26.940 get a lot

01:26:27.580 of papers

01:26:28.560 over there

01:26:29.260 but you know

01:26:29.960 Jay Bhattacharya

01:26:30.780 is not running

01:26:31.460 NIH yet

01:26:33.040 like what

01:26:33.820 I know

01:26:34.540 Dr. Google

01:26:35.260 is very

01:26:35.740 dangerous

01:26:36.160 you know

01:26:36.640 just typing

01:26:37.340 in G

01:26:37.720 what is this

01:26:38.280 what can

01:26:39.360 they trust?

01:26:40.960 Yes

01:26:41.360 it's a really

01:26:42.260 good question

01:26:42.840 Megan

01:26:43.160 hard one to

01:26:44.660 answer

01:26:45.000 that's why

01:26:45.420 we need

01:26:45.660 to transform

01:26:46.080 the system

01:26:46.540 but I

01:26:47.540 think at

01:26:48.120 least what

01:26:48.540 they should

01:26:48.840 do is keep

01:26:49.300 an open

01:26:49.600 mind

01:26:49.980 and I

01:26:50.320 think what's

01:26:50.800 been really

01:26:51.440 powerful

01:26:52.220 in the last

01:26:52.940 few years

01:26:53.360 has been the

01:26:53.860 growth of the

01:26:54.460 alternative media

01:26:55.200 so we can

01:26:55.640 have these

01:26:56.000 conversations

01:26:56.540 people are

01:26:57.120 realizing that

01:26:57.860 there's a

01:26:58.140 discrepancy

01:26:58.680 between

01:26:59.100 you know

01:26:59.940 what they're

01:27:00.240 being told

01:27:00.640 like safe

01:27:01.220 and effective

01:27:01.700 you know

01:27:02.640 on the COVID

01:27:03.380 vaccines

01:27:03.920 for example

01:27:04.560 CNN

01:27:05.160 BBC

01:27:05.860 Marty

01:27:06.840 Macquarie

01:27:07.320 said

01:27:07.720 you know

01:27:08.140 publicly

01:27:08.500 that one

01:27:09.140 of the biggest

01:27:09.620 purveyors

01:27:11.020 of misinformation

01:27:11.680 during the

01:27:12.140 pandemic

01:27:12.460 was the US

01:27:13.080 government

01:27:13.460 but really

01:27:14.320 in my view

01:27:15.180 they are just

01:27:15.660 puppets of

01:27:16.140 these big

01:27:16.460 corporations

01:27:16.960 so I think

01:27:18.340 you know

01:27:18.680 people just

01:27:19.080 have to

01:27:19.360 think outside

01:27:20.040 of the box

01:27:20.520 a little bit

01:27:21.060 look at

01:27:21.440 alternative

01:27:21.820 media

01:27:22.280 make up

01:27:22.780 their own

01:27:23.080 mind

01:27:23.400 but ideally

01:27:24.700 in the long

01:27:25.240 term

01:27:25.600 Megan

01:27:26.160 we need to

01:27:26.620 restore trust

01:27:27.380 in these

01:27:27.660 institutions

01:27:28.160 because

01:27:28.740 society

01:27:29.940 can't

01:27:30.440 function

01:27:30.780 cohesively

01:27:31.320 unless you

01:27:31.760 have a

01:27:32.040 strong

01:27:32.360 government

01:27:32.800 that's

01:27:33.060 ethical

01:27:33.480 and medical

01:27:34.640 institutions

01:27:35.120 that are

01:27:35.360 ethical

01:27:35.700 and you

01:27:37.260 know

01:27:37.320 there will

01:27:37.640 be a

01:27:37.880 bit of

01:27:38.160 disruption

01:27:38.540 going on

01:27:39.120 before we

01:27:39.520 get to

01:27:39.780 that stage

01:27:40.240 but you

01:27:40.700 know

01:27:40.780 we're in

01:27:41.120 this mess

01:27:41.700 with healthcare

01:27:42.360 because we've

01:27:43.640 allowed these

01:27:44.440 corporate 0.89

01:27:44.980 psychopathic

01:27:45.860 entities to

01:27:46.540 have so much

01:27:47.080 power that

01:27:47.620 they become

01:27:48.060 tyrannical

01:27:48.720 and you know

01:27:50.280 and that level

01:27:50.980 of tyranny

01:27:51.620 is so strong

01:27:52.400 is that the way

01:27:53.100 they exert

01:27:53.480 their powers

01:27:53.880 even you

01:27:54.920 know people

01:27:55.340 like RFK

01:27:56.060 junior or

01:27:56.660 myself or

01:27:57.260 others who

01:27:57.680 have been

01:27:57.940 speaking out

01:27:58.660 you know

01:27:59.500 they will

01:28:00.220 dedicate

01:28:00.940 resources

01:28:01.640 and even

01:28:02.920 use the

01:28:03.340 media to

01:28:03.940 smear us

01:28:04.600 because that's

01:28:05.200 how they

01:28:05.620 you know

01:28:06.420 keep their

01:28:07.880 keep spreading

01:28:09.480 their misinformation

01:28:10.000 to people

01:28:10.660 so it's going

01:28:12.120 to take time

01:28:12.720 I mean one

01:28:13.340 of the

01:28:13.660 I tell you

01:28:14.160 just you know

01:28:14.900 if there's one

01:28:15.400 website people

01:28:16.240 can go to

01:28:16.760 which is an

01:28:17.200 independently

01:28:17.680 you know

01:28:18.360 an independent

01:28:19.980 of commercial

01:28:21.020 influence website

01:28:21.800 done by

01:28:22.360 very rigorous

01:28:23.220 scientists

01:28:23.980 who want to

01:28:25.240 you know

01:28:25.580 people to be

01:28:26.780 fully informed

01:28:27.300 about drugs

01:28:28.040 it's called

01:28:28.740 the nnt.com

01:28:29.920 so the

01:28:31.360 nnt

01:28:32.080 yes

01:28:33.160 numbers needed

01:28:34.020 to treat

01:28:34.400 nnt.com

01:28:35.260 and actually

01:28:36.100 there's a really

01:28:36.620 good website

01:28:37.120 and a lot

01:28:37.520 of their

01:28:37.960 whatever's

01:28:38.760 published on

01:28:39.200 the website

01:28:39.480 actually is

01:28:39.900 published in

01:28:40.340 one of the

01:28:40.900 American

01:28:41.940 family physician

01:28:43.300 journals

01:28:43.760 and what they

01:28:44.820 do is they

01:28:45.160 break down the

01:28:45.640 data for

01:28:46.020 example statins

01:28:46.740 they will say

01:28:47.400 if you've had

01:28:47.780 a heart attack

01:28:48.340 your benefit is

01:28:48.960 say one in

01:28:49.420 40 over five

01:28:50.160 years and

01:28:50.980 preventing another

01:28:51.420 heart attack

01:28:51.860 etc and

01:28:53.200 they give a

01:28:53.660 traffic light

01:28:54.080 system about

01:28:54.660 whether overall

01:28:55.360 the drug is

01:28:55.840 beneficial or

01:28:56.680 the drug is

01:28:57.500 harmful

01:28:57.880 talks about

01:28:58.480 things like

01:28:58.900 heart stents

01:28:59.600 which again

01:29:00.040 are massively

01:29:00.540 overused in

01:29:01.360 the United

01:29:01.640 States and

01:29:02.080 other parts

01:29:02.420 of the world

01:29:02.740 that's what I

01:29:03.260 trained in

01:29:03.660 doing so

01:29:04.960 that's quite a

01:29:05.980 useful resource

01:29:06.780 for people

01:29:07.280 for sure

01:29:07.800 they're not

01:29:08.200 sure about

01:29:08.560 the drug

01:29:08.820 they're taking

01:29:09.200 and it goes

01:29:09.880 through many

01:29:10.340 many medications

01:29:11.060 as well

01:29:11.880 and looking at

01:29:12.620 all the evidence

01:29:13.180 combined

01:29:13.540 we've got the

01:29:15.320 one and

01:29:16.420 we've got

01:29:17.040 nofarmfilm.com

01:29:18.680 we're not done

01:29:19.240 discussing what's

01:29:20.440 in this gem

01:29:21.560 which you really

01:29:22.220 should watch

01:29:22.860 but we're going

01:29:23.860 to take a quick

01:29:24.340 break and more

01:29:25.200 with Dr.

01:29:25.660 Asim right

01:29:26.300 after this

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01:29:36.740 they're not 0.98

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01:31:39.540 so can we talk

01:31:45.140 about the covid

01:31:45.680 vaccine because i

01:31:47.920 know that you

01:31:48.740 believe your

01:31:49.420 father may have

01:31:50.600 died prematurely

01:31:51.680 as a result of

01:31:52.920 one of the

01:31:53.420 boosters you've

01:31:54.520 been very

01:31:54.880 outspoken about

01:31:55.740 the vaccines i

01:31:56.840 know you got

01:31:57.400 blowback when you

01:31:58.560 suggested that

01:31:59.380 these vaccines by

01:32:00.520 pfizer moderna were

01:32:01.560 a likely

01:32:01.980 contributory factor

01:32:03.080 in all unexpected

01:32:05.080 cardiac arrests

01:32:05.980 heart attacks

01:32:06.600 strokes cardiac

01:32:07.360 arrhythmias and

01:32:08.020 heart failures

01:32:08.520 since 2021

01:32:09.480 which a lot of

01:32:11.740 us believe but

01:32:12.760 every time we

01:32:14.240 try to say

01:32:14.980 there's a lot

01:32:16.220 of seems to

01:32:16.920 be a lot of

01:32:17.320 increased in

01:32:18.180 cardiac deaths

01:32:19.500 we're told we're 1.00

01:32:20.440 idiots and that 1.00

01:32:21.860 it's just all the 1.00

01:32:22.720 same numbers and

01:32:23.440 it definitely had

01:32:24.120 absolutely nothing

01:32:24.760 to do with the

01:32:25.760 vax yeah megan so

01:32:27.240 you know i've

01:32:28.200 thought about this

01:32:28.700 in a lot of

01:32:29.020 depth because you

01:32:30.200 know i'm somebody

01:32:30.700 that's been a

01:32:31.900 very outspoken

01:32:32.720 advocate of

01:32:34.260 evidence-based

01:32:34.840 medicine i

01:32:35.840 mean i've

01:32:36.120 published extensively

01:32:37.080 i've worked in

01:32:38.720 advisory government

01:32:39.680 roles over the

01:32:41.080 years and

01:32:42.760 everything i

01:32:43.420 usually you

01:32:44.400 know advocate

01:32:45.020 for comes

01:32:45.740 through medical

01:32:46.760 journal articles

01:32:47.500 i've published

01:32:48.140 that have been

01:32:48.560 peer-reviewed

01:32:49.900 usually nothing

01:32:50.900 to do with the

01:32:51.400 drug industry

01:32:51.880 in terms of

01:32:52.380 those those

01:32:53.080 articles they're

01:32:53.660 usually analysis

01:32:54.440 independent

01:32:54.980 analyses and

01:32:56.900 just to give

01:32:57.940 people you know

01:32:59.160 people get

01:32:59.580 confused here but

01:33:00.640 essentially when

01:33:01.660 you look at the

01:33:02.120 evidence right now

01:33:03.100 in terms of the

01:33:03.620 covid vaccine

01:33:04.380 i'm specifically

01:33:05.240 i you know

01:33:06.020 emphasize and

01:33:06.760 look to mrna

01:33:07.560 vaccines so

01:33:08.200 pfizer moderna

01:33:09.000 um and people

01:33:11.240 know that the

01:33:11.720 serious harm is

01:33:12.760 there the

01:33:13.240 question is how

01:33:13.760 frequent is it

01:33:14.580 and the data

01:33:15.140 comes from

01:33:15.720 what we call

01:33:15.980 randomized control

01:33:16.720 trial reanalysis

01:33:17.960 of pfizer

01:33:18.360 modernist trials

01:33:19.320 pharmacovigilance

01:33:20.560 data that what

01:33:21.540 people are

01:33:21.860 reporting in the

01:33:22.340 yellow card system

01:33:23.160 autopsy data we

01:33:24.220 know now certainly

01:33:25.420 more than 70% of

01:33:26.440 people that died

01:33:26.960 within a couple

01:33:27.460 of weeks of

01:33:27.820 having the

01:33:28.100 vaccine almost

01:33:28.780 certainly caused

01:33:29.400 by the vaccine

01:33:30.100 that's been

01:33:30.460 proven you've

01:33:31.840 got um

01:33:32.640 observational data

01:33:33.960 and of course

01:33:35.480 my own clinical

01:33:35.980 experience so the

01:33:37.480 serious adverse

01:33:38.000 event rate on the

01:33:39.000 best evidence we

01:33:39.760 have and this has

01:33:40.920 not been rebutted

01:33:41.820 to be honest uh

01:33:42.900 in any you

01:33:43.980 know um uh

01:33:45.980 serious platform

01:33:47.080 megan comes from

01:33:48.800 reanalysis of

01:33:49.560 pfizer modernist

01:33:50.100 trials independent

01:33:51.740 scientist joseph

01:33:52.760 freeman who's a

01:33:53.540 lead scientist um

01:33:54.660 who works very

01:33:55.200 closely with j

01:33:55.760 badacharya by the

01:33:56.660 way um you've got

01:33:58.620 peter doshy associate

01:33:59.540 editor of the bmj and

01:34:01.140 what they found was

01:34:02.120 that the serious

01:34:03.160 adverse event rate

01:34:04.040 was at least one in

01:34:04.880 800 at two months

01:34:05.940 and that means

01:34:06.440 disability life

01:34:07.320 changing rate

01:34:07.780 hospitalization and

01:34:09.300 from the original

01:34:09.800 trials that got

01:34:10.480 approved around the

01:34:11.420 world megan um

01:34:12.520 you're more likely

01:34:13.180 to suffer serious

01:34:13.740 harm from the

01:34:14.180 vaccine than you

01:34:14.700 were to be

01:34:15.020 hospitalized with

01:34:15.520 covid which

01:34:16.080 suggests from the

01:34:17.060 beginning it was

01:34:17.760 going to do more

01:34:18.100 harm than good

01:34:18.620 but actually where

01:34:20.240 we are now and

01:34:21.160 this is i think the

01:34:22.020 uk government's

01:34:22.660 probably the only

01:34:23.100 government in the

01:34:23.460 world that's

01:34:23.780 published this

01:34:24.320 been transparent

01:34:25.000 and publishing

01:34:25.560 this information

01:34:26.360 and i think

01:34:26.860 they're publishing

01:34:27.380 it although it's

01:34:28.480 not been well

01:34:28.960 publicized but i'm

01:34:29.640 going to publicize

01:34:30.200 it for you now

01:34:30.900 because there are a

01:34:31.760 lot of good

01:34:32.080 scientists and good

01:34:32.700 people out there

01:34:33.200 whose conscience

01:34:33.820 and you know

01:34:34.560 would not be clear

01:34:35.240 unless they got that

01:34:35.840 information out in

01:34:36.540 some way shape

01:34:39.300 the group um in

01:34:40.980 2024 of covid which

01:34:43.160 is basically people

01:34:43.980 over 90 megan you

01:34:46.260 have to vaccinate

01:34:46.980 7 000 people over

01:34:48.460 90 to prevent one

01:34:49.520 of them being

01:34:49.880 hospitalized with

01:34:50.520 severe covid versus

01:34:52.020 a serious heart

01:34:52.740 adverse event rate

01:34:53.620 harm rate of at

01:34:54.320 least 1 800 because

01:34:55.580 it's only at two

01:34:56.260 months that they

01:34:57.080 found that figure and

01:34:57.900 we know that there

01:34:58.340 are long-term effects

01:34:59.180 so that suggests that

01:35:01.380 right now it's at

01:35:02.780 least eight times

01:35:03.780 more harmful to have

01:35:04.940 the covid vaccine in

01:35:05.880 the highest risk group

01:35:06.560 than to have benefit i

01:35:07.660 mean this is

01:35:08.200 absolutely extraordinary

01:35:08.920 so the question is

01:35:09.620 why is that not

01:35:10.760 getting fully

01:35:11.220 acknowledged i

01:35:12.440 honestly genuinely

01:35:13.000 believe most people

01:35:13.660 are well-intentioned

01:35:14.600 of course we talk

01:35:15.180 about all these

01:35:15.680 commercial determinants

01:35:16.420 of health that

01:35:16.780 have been going for

01:35:17.140 a long time that

01:35:17.680 captured institutions

01:35:18.760 but the main barrier

01:35:20.800 to the truth megan and

01:35:22.460 i see very a lot of

01:35:23.500 very bright scientists

01:35:24.380 out there people who

01:35:25.480 have a track record of

01:35:26.520 doing things for the

01:35:27.720 genuine good who are

01:35:28.680 completely have a

01:35:29.800 blind spot on this

01:35:30.520 issue it's

01:35:31.540 psychological and

01:35:33.240 the two psychological

01:35:33.960 barriers i've written

01:35:34.980 about are ones of

01:35:36.480 fear and willful

01:35:37.260 blindness so fear

01:35:38.220 essentially which

01:35:39.180 happened you know

01:35:40.080 from the early on in

01:35:41.040 the pandemic we had

01:35:41.820 this exaggerated risk

01:35:42.840 of covid but also

01:35:43.820 there's probably fear

01:35:45.100 of maybe stepping

01:35:46.660 outside the echo

01:35:48.400 chamber that they're

01:35:49.100 in as well fear

01:35:51.000 inhibits your ability

01:35:51.760 to engage in critical

01:35:52.500 thinking but i think

01:35:53.900 the more important

01:35:54.760 psychological barrier

01:35:55.660 that a lot of people

01:35:56.280 can relate to is

01:35:56.940 something called

01:35:57.220 willful blindness

01:35:57.960 and that's when human

01:35:59.520 beings and we can do

01:36:00.480 we're all vulnerable to

01:36:01.340 this all the time in

01:36:02.440 some ways right it's

01:36:03.740 when human beings turn

01:36:04.640 a blind eye to the

01:36:05.500 truth in order to

01:36:06.560 feel safe avoid

01:36:07.800 conflict reduce

01:36:09.140 anxiety or to

01:36:10.600 protect prestige and

01:36:11.420 fragile egos now in

01:36:12.580 in personal lives this

01:36:14.140 can happen for example

01:36:15.000 when a spouse turns a

01:36:16.240 blind eye to the affair

01:36:17.520 of their partner but

01:36:19.020 institutional examples of

01:36:20.360 willful blindness

01:36:20.940 historically megan that 0.90

01:36:22.680 you will you will know

01:36:23.660 about are situations

01:36:25.100 like for example um you

01:36:27.020 know hollywood and

01:36:27.780 harvey weinstein or the

01:36:30.320 catholic church and

01:36:31.140 child molestation these

01:36:32.460 are examples of

01:36:33.620 institutional willful

01:36:34.400 blindness i think we're

01:36:35.740 seeing exactly the same

01:36:36.740 thing here because it's

01:36:38.780 faced between the choice

01:36:40.360 of of accepting an

01:36:42.460 uncomfortable truth um

01:36:44.880 most people will you know

01:36:46.420 choose to bury their heads

01:36:47.480 in the sand but the

01:36:48.580 reality is we have to

01:36:49.740 face it head-on because

01:36:50.860 it's not going away and

01:36:52.640 it's not that everyone's

01:36:53.420 been vaccinated now and

01:36:54.340 it's done unfortunately

01:36:55.320 there is good evidence

01:36:56.540 emerging suggesting that

01:36:57.900 that and i've seen this as

01:36:59.080 well that um it can

01:37:01.200 certainly accelerate heart

01:37:02.440 disease which means many

01:37:03.420 people who had the

01:37:04.380 vaccine even two or three

01:37:05.200 years ago are suddenly

01:37:06.540 going to prematurely have

01:37:07.960 heart attacks or sudden

01:37:08.800 cardiac death and we're

01:37:09.500 still seeing that uh we've

01:37:11.360 got one of the world's top

01:37:12.740 oncologists and um you

01:37:14.500 know in this area who's

01:37:15.460 also been involved in

01:37:16.300 vaccine development called

01:37:17.500 um professor angus

01:37:19.040 in in london and we've got

01:37:22.380 robert clancy one of the

01:37:23.540 world's eminent

01:37:24.160 immunologists 83 years old

01:37:25.740 now emirates emirates

01:37:27.040 professor of immunology top

01:37:28.320 immunologist for australia

01:37:29.360 used to work by the way

01:37:30.780 many years ago with with

01:37:32.280 anthony fauci they're both

01:37:34.100 massively concerned with

01:37:35.480 this covid mRNA vaccine

01:37:36.900 increasing cancer through

01:37:38.640 several mechanisms of

01:37:39.860 immunosuppression so it's

01:37:42.240 unfortunately not something

01:37:43.240 that's going away we're up

01:37:44.580 against a time constraint

01:37:45.980 here but i bet that it

01:37:47.000 does lead me to ask is

01:37:48.660 there anything those of

01:37:49.700 us who have been

01:37:50.400 vaccinated by the pfizer

01:37:53.280 or moderna thing can do 0.98

01:37:54.400 listen i'm in the same boat

01:37:56.360 again i've had two doses

01:37:57.580 i've had some issues as

01:37:58.680 well um the first and

01:38:00.600 foremost the best thing

01:38:01.400 people could do here

01:38:02.120 hearing this is absolutely

01:38:03.560 optimize their metabolic

01:38:04.400 health so really optimize

01:38:05.720 your lifestyle as much as

01:38:06.660 you can because this is a

01:38:08.460 chronic inflammatory problem

01:38:09.660 with the vaccine and if

01:38:10.840 you can you can probably

01:38:11.920 mitigate it to a large

01:38:13.000 degree through that

01:38:13.800 process um and really

01:38:16.000 everything you can do to

01:38:17.080 make sure your immune

01:38:17.800 systems enhance whether

01:38:18.820 that's taking high doses

01:38:19.780 of vitamin c um you know

01:38:22.120 concentrating on your stress

01:38:23.380 levels into eating real

01:38:24.600 food all these things are

01:38:25.540 really important but again

01:38:26.880 we need an acknowledgement

01:38:28.960 by the establishment and

01:38:29.880 to be honest i'm hopeful

01:38:30.860 megan because i think the

01:38:32.280 new administration that

01:38:33.720 comes in are gonna want to

01:38:36.100 tackle this head on so

01:38:37.160 we're not that far off

01:38:37.980 that okay all right well i

01:38:41.360 mean yeah well a million

01:38:42.920 millions of us are in it

01:38:44.260 together good to know it

01:38:45.440 again do no farm film dot

01:38:49.300 com no farm film dot com

01:38:50.860 very interesting stuff dr

01:38:52.580 asim i understand i have it

01:38:54.280 on good authority that you

01:38:55.440 are under serious

01:38:57.420 consideration to also join

01:38:59.680 the trump administration in

01:39:00.760 some important role and

01:39:02.120 i'm rooting for you i hope

01:39:04.400 it happens please come back

01:39:05.840 if and when that happens

01:39:07.040 would you i'd be delighted

01:39:09.220 megan hopefully next time

01:39:10.340 actually in studio as well so

01:39:11.640 i can actually meet you

01:39:12.300 properly that would be

01:39:13.920 delightful thank you to all

01:39:15.240 to you for all of your good

01:39:16.540 work really appreciate it

01:39:17.720 wow and thanks to all of you

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 13, 2024

Mysterious ＂Drones＂ Spread, Media Malpractice, and How Medical Journals Became Captured, with Hugh Hewitt and Dr. Aseem Malhotra ｜ Ep. 964

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