The Megyn Kelly Show - August 14, 2025


National Guard Arrives in DC, Judge Boasberg Loses Again, Kohberger's Prison Life： AM Update 8⧸14

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Trump declares a public crime emergency in the nation s capital, 800 National Guardsmen are deployed to the streets of Washington, D.C. as a result of the president's decision to take control of the city s police force.

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00:00:35.420 It's Thursday, August 14th, 2025, and this is your AM Update.
00:00:39.980 He's sending troops into the streets to declare war on our own people.
00:00:44.080 It's just disgraceful.
00:00:45.480 The National Guard arriving in D.C. amid President Trump's federal takeover
00:00:49.160 of the district's police force.
00:00:51.360 Cue the leftist freakout in favor of crime.
00:00:53.920 The majority of the panel agreed that the probable cause order was so unlawful
00:00:59.140 and so egregious.
00:01:00.740 The Trump administration scoring another huge win in its legal battle
00:01:04.700 against the chief judge of the federal D.C. District Court, Judge James Bosberg.
00:01:10.480 Attorney Will Chamberlain breaks down the case and what it means for the president's power
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00:02:41.600 The National Guard officially spotted patrolling the streets of Washington, D.C.
00:02:48.580 following President Trump's Monday declaration of a public crime emergency in the nation's
00:02:53.640 capital.
00:02:54.700 Under the D.C.
00:02:55.340 Home Rule Act, the president has the power to take control of the city's police force.
00:03:00.460 Given the crime, homelessness, and general squalor of the city, Mr. Trump exercised those
00:03:05.300 powers, mobilizing 800 National Guardsmen to D.C.
00:03:09.280 Democrats and the media largely condemning the decision, calling it a power grab and pointing
00:03:14.340 to statistics purporting to show that crime is trending downward there.
00:03:19.140 Here, a sampling from MSNBC, CNN and NBC.
00:03:22.860 When I go to D.C., I'm not afraid of losing my wallet so much as I'm afraid of losing my
00:03:28.060 vote.
00:03:28.640 I'm not afraid of losing my wallet so much as I'm afraid that my children's freedom
00:03:32.420 to breathe will be stolen in a world where climate change policy is non-existent.
00:03:37.960 He's sending troops into the streets to declare war on our own people.
00:03:41.900 It's just disgraceful.
00:03:43.160 Never mind the fact that violent crime in D.C. has actually been on a steep decline since
00:03:47.420 2023.
00:03:48.280 It's a false narrative.
00:03:49.820 It's a manufactured crisis.
00:03:50.860 The administration rejecting arguments that crime in D.C. is not a real problem, pointing
00:03:56.860 to a number of statistics.
00:03:59.220 In 2024, D.C.'s homicide rate was 27.3 per 100,000 residents, the fourth highest in the
00:04:06.360 nation, according to research by the Rochester Institute of Technology.
00:04:10.700 In addition, there is reportedly an active investigation of a D.C. police commander for allegedly falsifying
00:04:16.800 crime data this year to make it appear that violent crime has fallen considerably compared
00:04:21.840 to last year.
00:04:22.800 U.S. Attorney for D.C.
00:04:24.660 Janine Pirro on Tuesday highlighting the number of teens shot and killed by gunfire.
00:04:29.760 I wanted to get a sense of what is actually happening in the District of Columbia.
00:04:35.560 I asked for the number of teens who have been shot and killed by gunfire.
00:04:44.200 Teens, everyone under the age of 20.
00:04:46.980 As you can see, in 2024, we have 29 individuals who were shot and killed in the district, some
00:04:57.740 as young as three years of age.
00:05:00.400 There is a whole community that is suffering because of the violent crime in this district.
00:05:06.320 And anyone who wants to tell me the crime is down and that we don't need an emergency focus on crimes
00:05:14.820 of violence, all they need to do is take a look at this and talk to the loved ones and the family
00:05:21.220 members of these individuals, all shot and killed long before their time.
00:05:28.280 In just the first night under federal authority before the arrival of the National Guard, D.C.
00:05:32.880 police and federal agents making 23 arrests for crimes, including homicide, driving under the
00:05:38.660 influence, unlawful possession of weapons, lewd acts and more.
00:05:42.980 Authorities also seizing six illegal handguns.
00:05:46.160 Aren't liberals supposed to support that?
00:05:48.320 President Trump on Wednesday from the Kennedy Center saying the administration is just getting started.
00:05:53.360 Attorney General Pam Bondi, the job she's doing is incredible.
00:05:56.960 You're going to see a big change in Washington crime stats very soon.
00:06:00.040 I'm determined to make Washington, D.C. safe, clean and beautiful again.
00:06:03.900 It's going to take place very rapidly.
00:06:05.460 Be prepared.
00:06:06.280 We're going to make Washington beautiful.
00:06:08.560 We're going to redo roads.
00:06:09.760 We're going to redo the medians, the pavers. 1.00
00:06:12.080 We're going to take all the graffiti off.
00:06:13.780 We're going to have to remove the tents and the people that are living in our parks.
00:06:19.040 We're going to be redoing the parks, the grasses and all.
00:06:22.080 The Democrats are afraid to do anything because they don't want to be criticized.
00:06:25.200 But fighting crime is a good thing.
00:06:26.940 Already they're saying he's a dictator.
00:06:28.740 The place is going to hell and we've got to stop it.
00:06:32.560 So instead of saying he's a dictator, they should say we're going to join him and make Washington safe.
00:06:37.800 D.C. officials offering mixed responses to the takeover.
00:06:41.180 Mayor Muriel Bowser blasting it as, quote, an authoritarian push and, quote, an intrusion on our autonomy.
00:06:47.960 However, her position on the takeover appears to shift based on her audience.
00:06:52.440 Earlier that day, the mayor adopting a softer stance following a meeting with A.G.
00:06:56.800 Bondi, who was overseeing the federalization, saying more cops could help the city fight crime, but that she also wants to make sure federal forces are being, quote, well used.
00:07:07.760 Police chief Pamela Smith striking a more cooperative tone on Tuesday, saying President Trump's move would, quote, make our city even better.
00:07:15.000 The New York Times describing the Tuesday evening arrival of the National Guard, quote,
00:07:19.040 About a dozen members of the National Guard appeared in five military vehicles near the Washington Monument as the sun set, a stark juxtaposition to a peaceful evening scene of people jogging by with headphones and walking their dogs.
00:07:32.740 The Times conceding the presence of troops was far from menacing, quote,
00:07:36.640 The initial deployment near the Washington Monument, at least, often resembled something less fearsome than many might have expected, with troops snapping photos of themselves with visitors.
00:07:47.040 They left roughly two hours after they arrived.
00:07:50.000 An Army official telling the Times additional troops are continuing to gather in the district and are expected to deploy around national monuments and near a U.S. Park police facility in southeast Washington.
00:08:00.520 Under the Home Rule Act, the administration can take control over the local police for up to 30 days.
00:08:07.360 President Trump telling reporters on Wednesday he will push for a long-term extension, which will require approval from Congress.
00:08:14.120 Well, if it's a national emergency, we can do it without Congress, but we expect to be to Congress before Congress very quickly.
00:08:21.280 We're going to be asking for extensions on that, long-term extensions, because you can't have 30 days.
00:08:26.280 We're going to have this in good shape, and I don't want to call a national emergency.
00:08:29.960 If I have to, I will.
00:08:31.580 But I think the Republicans in Congress will approve this pretty much unanimously.
00:08:36.360 The National Guard is not subject to the same time limitations.
00:08:39.560 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth telling reporters earlier this week,
00:08:42.700 troops may be deployed for weeks or months, depending on the president's discretion.
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00:08:52.820 by Chief D.C. Judge James Bosberg, and what happens next in the contempt of court proceedings
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00:10:22.380 A federal appeals court panel last Friday delivering a major win for the Trump administration in
00:10:31.360 its contentious legal battle with federal D.C. district judge James Bozberg.
00:10:36.360 The case beginning back in March with Judge Bozberg ordering the Trump administration to
00:10:40.220 pause deportations under the Alien Enemies Act and return any flights underway.
00:10:46.360 The administration arguing it no longer had jurisdiction over flights already in international
00:10:51.340 airspace and did not compel the two planes already en route to return.
00:10:56.600 In early April, the Supreme Court siding with the Trump administration, allowing deportations
00:11:01.660 under the Alien Enemies Act to resume so long as detainees received due process.
00:11:06.920 The high court also finding the case was filed in the wrong venue to begin with, meaning Judge
00:11:11.860 Bozberg should not have heard the case in the first place.
00:11:15.440 Despite the Supreme Court's order, Judge Bozberg forged ahead.
00:11:19.200 In April, using a probable cause order, the first stage in launching contempt proceedings
00:11:24.560 against the Trump administration, leading many to wonder what Bozberg was doing.
00:11:29.100 It seemed like an obvious judicial overreach, as we reported right here on AM Update.
00:11:34.640 Last Friday, a panel of judges from the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals vacating Judge Bozberg's
00:11:39.920 order in a split two-to-one decision, with two Trump-appointed judges ruling against Judge
00:11:45.180 Bozberg and one Obama-appointed judge siding with the lower court.
00:11:49.740 We spoke to senior counsel at the Article III Project, Will Chamberlain, who cut through
00:11:53.940 the complicated legal fight and lays out for us what's likely to happen next.
00:11:58.340 Judge Bozberg, essentially what he has is this zombie case.
00:12:02.460 The Supreme Court already found that his attempt to force the administration to return a bunch
00:12:09.640 of Venezuelans who had been removed to El Salvador was unlawful because he didn't have
00:12:14.540 jurisdictions.
00:12:15.200 But what he's making the argument for is that the administration is still obligated to comply
00:12:21.900 with these orders, even if they're unlawful, because the only proper course is to appeal.
00:12:26.740 And he argued they willfully defied these orders and therefore would be subject to criminal
00:12:31.140 contempt.
00:12:32.000 Chamberlain calling Judge Bozberg's order a brazen judicial attempt to strong arm the executive
00:12:37.000 branch, a tactic one of the judges on the panel also criticized.
00:12:41.180 In a contempt proceeding, it's literally the judge saying, you're defying my orders.
00:12:45.760 I'm holding you in contempt.
00:12:47.400 But both in civil and criminal contempt, you can purge the contempt at the judge's discretion
00:12:53.880 by doing what the judge asked.
00:12:55.940 One of the things he was trying to do, which was a big issue and something that Judge Rao found
00:13:02.720 specifically obnoxious, was he was essentially trying to coerce the government to comply with
00:13:11.000 his order that the Supreme Court had found he had no jurisdiction to issue.
00:13:15.480 Basically, what he said in his contempt order was, if you purge the contempt by asserting custody
00:13:21.680 over these individuals, then I won't try you for the criminal contempt.
00:13:24.420 That's an attempt, a way to use criminal contempt proceedings to circumvent your own lack of
00:13:29.900 jurisdiction.
00:13:31.180 That's really bad.
00:13:32.500 And it's especially bad when it comes to an Article 3 judge essentially trying to use
00:13:38.720 contempt to usurp Article 2 foreign affairs powers.
00:13:42.360 Typically, the Trump administration would not be allowed to appeal Judge Bozberg's probable
00:13:46.600 cause finding at this early stage.
00:13:48.580 But the appeals panel used a rare legal tool called a writ of mandamus to rule against Judge
00:13:54.520 Bozberg.
00:13:55.580 Chamberlain explains what that means and why the judges thought this case was extreme enough
00:13:59.880 to justify it.
00:14:01.080 A writ of mandamus is, imagine a kind of catch-all order that appellate courts can use to say,
00:14:07.960 lower court, you need to do something.
00:14:09.600 A probable cause finding in a contempt proceeding is basically like an indictment in a criminal
00:14:15.600 proceeding.
00:14:16.020 It's the judge saying, there's probable cause to think that you committed criminal contempt.
00:14:21.500 Therefore, I am going to initiate an effective prosecution, if you will, for this contempt.
00:14:28.140 That's not appealable for the same reason that criminal defendants generally can't appeal
00:14:33.000 their indictments, because that would mean that a criminal defendant could avoid a trial.
00:14:37.480 The administration in this case normally wouldn't have jurisdiction to appeal a probable cause
00:14:42.640 finding for contempt.
00:14:43.580 However, the majority of the panel agreed that in this instance, a writ of mandamus was appropriate
00:14:51.440 to reverse the probable cause order.
00:14:55.520 And the reason they said that was because the probable cause order was so unlawful and so
00:15:01.540 egregious and such a threat to the separation of powers that it was appropriate at this stage 1.00
00:15:08.160 to essentially effectively the equivalent of dismissing the indictment outright.
00:15:13.020 The irony here is that it was this judge who openly lamented to Chief Justice Roberts at a judicial
00:15:19.480 conference this past spring that judges in the D.C. Circuit were concerned the administration would
00:15:25.520 disregard their rulings.
00:15:26.920 The appeals court here finding it was Judge Bozberg who deviated so flagrantly from the law that a writ
00:15:33.600 of mandamus was justified.
00:15:35.780 The Court of Appeals finding two major flaws with Judge Bozberg's order.
00:15:40.220 As previously mentioned, one judge's opinion focusing on Bozberg's attempt to coerce the Trump
00:15:45.040 administration to comply with an order that had already been ruled unlawful.
00:15:48.700 The other judge's position that any underlying ambiguity in an order must be construed in favor
00:15:55.220 of the party accused of contempt.
00:15:58.020 Here's Will Chamberlain again.
00:15:59.560 Judge Bozberg in, you know, this very, very rushed proceeding made arguments about how he
00:16:05.340 wanted all the planes turned around in midair and he wanted custody immediately asserted over
00:16:10.280 all the defendants and have them returned to the country.
00:16:12.680 But in this hearing where he was making these demands, he said, don't worry, I'm going to
00:16:17.880 memorialize all this in writing.
00:16:19.780 Then after the hearing, when he did memorialize it in writing, all he essentially said was
00:16:25.400 the government needs to not remove the individuals in question.
00:16:31.300 So basically what Judge Katzis says is it's not fair to hold them to ambiguous language if
00:16:38.600 they have a reasonable interpretation of what that means and they're complying with it.
00:16:41.880 Team Trump argued that term don't remove was ambiguous and seemed to only apply to immigrants
00:16:47.680 still in the United States, not to those already on outbound planes.
00:16:52.840 As for the Obama-appointed judge's dissent?
00:16:55.240 The dissenting judge argued that the underlying order was clear and the defending judge also
00:17:01.300 effectively argued that the standard for a writ of mandamus isn't met here because certainly
00:17:06.100 the conduct of the judge was maybe it was wrong, but it wasn't so egregious as to justify
00:17:12.900 a writ of mandamus.
00:17:14.480 Moreover, Judge Pillard also said that the judge's instructions were clear, but personally,
00:17:21.180 I found Judge Pillard's reasoning very unpersuasive.
00:17:24.140 Chamberlain describing what any next steps might look like.
00:17:27.300 There could be an on-bank ruling from the D.C. Circuit as a whole.
00:17:31.020 So there are 11 judges in the D.C. Circuit.
00:17:33.240 Most of them are progressive.
00:17:34.280 The plaintiffs in this case could seek to bring the case, you know, to appeal to the on-bank
00:17:40.200 court who could then issue a different opinion entirely and vacate the reversal of the probable
00:17:45.940 cause finding.
00:17:46.680 And then they could issue their own opinion speaking for the court.
00:17:49.060 But if they tried to do something that different than what Judge Katzis and Judge Rao did, I
00:17:53.780 suspect that the Supreme Court would then step in and agree with Judge Katzis and Judge Rao.
00:17:58.660 Because if the Supreme Court, remember, has already reversed Judge Bozberg once in this very
00:18:02.380 same case, I don't think they're going to look kindly upon Judge Bozberg's attempt to
00:18:07.260 use a criminal contempt proceeding to coerce compliance with an order they already found
00:18:11.880 unlawful.
00:18:12.540 If on-bank is denied, then these are almost certainly over.
00:18:15.600 Theoretically, Judge Bozberg could try and push this to the Supreme Court, but it's really
00:18:19.600 hard to foresee why he would.
00:18:21.220 The ACLU's lead attorney, arguing on behalf of the Venezuelans at the heart of the original
00:18:25.440 case, writing in a statement, quote,
00:18:27.220 We vehemently disagree with the ruling and will consider every option going forward, though
00:18:32.100 it is not yet clear if an appeal will be filed.
00:18:35.100 The Venezuelan nationals originally deported to El Salvador, where they were held in a maximum
00:18:39.840 security prison, have since been sent home to Venezuela in July as part of a prisoner swap
00:18:45.960 deal brokered by the Trump administration.
00:18:48.300 This factor may complicate their legal standing in this case.
00:18:51.460 The bottom line for now is Judge Bozberg's attempt to hold on to this case and try to
00:18:56.980 force President Trump to conduct immigrant removals as this unelected judge sees fit has
00:19:02.360 failed badly, potentially sending a message to other activist judges.
00:19:09.080 So many people wondering how Brian Kohlberger, convicted last month in the brutal killings of
00:19:14.580 four University of Idaho students, sleeps at night.
00:19:18.000 We are happy to report the answer is he doesn't.
00:19:20.500 A law enforcement source telling News Nation Kohlberger, serving four life sentences for
00:19:25.820 the murders of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kornodal, and Ethan Chapin, plus 10 years
00:19:31.540 on burglary, is suffering relentless torment from his fellow prison mates.
00:19:36.400 Retired homicide detective Chris McDonough describing Kohlberger's experience since being
00:19:40.740 moved into the prison two weeks ago.
00:19:42.960 The good news is the inmates apparently were waiting for him.
00:19:47.300 And when he got there, they are now making his life absolutely miserable.
00:19:53.960 They're utilizing the vent system.
00:19:56.820 They're kicking the doors.
00:19:58.700 They're taunting him.
00:20:00.380 And they're basically, you know, torturing him through, you know, using psychology.
00:20:06.200 And my goodness, he's complaining.
00:20:08.560 And the guards at this point, you know, the most they can do is write it down and or, you
00:20:15.160 know, tell him, hey, there's nothing we can do.
00:20:17.240 You're not in physical harm.
00:20:18.900 So the prisoners taunt him day and night, and he's whining to the guards that he can't
00:20:23.280 sleep.
00:20:23.880 And we're expected to feel sorry for him.
00:20:25.980 This is a man who attacked his defenseless victims with a knife as they lay sleeping.
00:20:31.140 Where was his mercy for them?
00:20:32.800 Kohlberger serving his time in solitary confinement at the Idaho Maximum Security Institution.
00:20:38.720 For 23 hours a day, the dead-eyed murderer sits in a single-person cell in the prison's
00:20:43.040 most restrictive housing unit, allotted 60 minutes of outdoor recreation in what is known
00:20:47.920 as the cage, kept in restraints the entire hour.
00:20:51.500 Kohlberger accepting the life sentences and foregoing the ability to appeal in a controversial
00:20:56.440 deal with prosecutors to avoid the death penalty.
00:20:59.120 And that'll do it for your AM update.
00:21:03.540 I'm Megan Kelly.
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