The Megyn Kelly Show - Navy's Drag Queen Recruiter, and Fox News' Post-Tucker Ratings, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts and Graham Allen

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.040 The military is using a drag queen to help recruitment efforts.

00:00:20.240 I'm not kidding. That ought to work well.

00:00:22.080 I'm sure that's really going to inspire the guys to sign right up.

00:00:24.380 Plus, Jeffrey Toobin is back and talking about that infamous Zoom moment.

00:00:30.900 My guests today are excited to talk about all of this.

00:00:33.700 They are the guys from Ruthless.

00:00:36.740 John Ashbrook, the man known as Comfortably Smug, and Michael Duncan.

00:00:41.120 Josh Holmes is down traveling for his real job today, but the guys are just as ruthless even without Holmes.

00:00:48.440 So, guys, welcome back to the show.

00:00:51.380 Great to be back, as always.

00:00:52.460 I've spoken with Holmes, and I have promised him that I am going to give you just as hard a time as when he's here.

00:00:59.580 So, we're good to go.

00:01:01.120 Good, good.

00:01:02.060 And it's sad, because I wore my shirt, because Holmes was so excited about my hat.

00:01:07.380 He sent me a text, you know, my hat over the weekend, make women female again.

00:01:12.200 And this is also from Kelly J. Keene's website, for those who cannot see me.

00:01:15.840 It reads, female, the real thing, playing off of the Coke, the Coca-Cola t-shirts.

00:01:22.020 It's, I'm done.

00:01:23.280 That's all I have to say.

00:01:24.900 I'm done.

00:01:26.160 Okay?

00:01:27.440 That's it.

00:01:28.400 I actually required no such disclaimer, because it's obvious I'm a woman.

00:01:32.400 And if you're trans and you're doing it right, it should be obvious in your case, too.

00:01:37.240 But then there is no such thing as transitioning from male to female, notwithstanding what the world of cycling and so on will tell you.

00:01:43.880 By the way, the world of cycling is standing by its decision to let a man win the $35,000 prize money for the first time.

00:01:50.860 They offered the same amount to the men as they did for the women in this international competition.

00:01:55.620 And guess what happened?

00:01:56.660 A guy walked on over to the women's lane, won the whole thing.

00:02:00.300 And the official body of bicycling has said, sorry, not sorry.

00:02:04.720 It's all about inclusion.

00:02:05.700 So the shirt doesn't help.

00:02:09.380 They don't listen.

00:02:10.180 It's all about equity.

00:02:11.020 Yeah, no, I mean, look, it's wild.

00:02:15.900 I feel like every single day things get more and more distorted.

00:02:19.840 And, you know, you see these videos out there about transgender men who are becoming women and putting tampons.

00:02:28.180 Oh, my God.

00:02:28.860 Their body is so disturbing.

00:02:30.320 Where the hell do you put that tampon?

00:02:32.260 I don't know.

00:02:32.580 Where's the science in that?

00:02:34.140 You know, like science.

00:02:35.900 I don't know.

00:02:36.740 It's it's there is no there is no science.

00:02:38.760 You mentioned the military.

00:02:39.680 You mentioned the drag.

00:02:41.420 I mean, the military has fallen a long way from the days of Bob Hope and Gina Lola Brigida.

00:02:46.300 Like if if now we have to look at this guy or, you know, drag, whatever they have.

00:02:51.860 They have a problem with recruitment.

00:02:53.480 They're your typical person who is growing up and wants to serve their country is turned off by the direction they see our military headed.

00:03:03.580 And I don't know how they got there, to be honest with you.

00:03:05.680 I for the life of me cannot figure out how they went from a to be.

00:03:09.540 Do you remember those original marine ads?

00:03:12.020 Remember the marine ads where the guy was climbing the rocks and he had the sword and there was like the flaming dragon that he had to slay and it was like inspiring.

00:03:22.060 Right.

00:03:22.520 And now we've got we got drag performers doing recruitment.

00:03:26.780 You know, I think success begets success.

00:03:28.600 And if you have an issue with recruitment, then every dollar should be spent on making sure these warfighters succeed.

00:03:36.060 If they're seen as a successful disciplined force, if every dollar we spend is making sure that they succeed, that they're safe, that they can accomplish the mission, that would help with recruitment.

00:03:45.420 I don't think any of this woke nonsense does anything to help the morale or help recruitment.

00:03:50.480 Do you remember the few, the proud, the marines?

00:03:53.780 You know, those bad asses with just like the, you know, the sword would come up in front of their faces.

00:03:58.080 You either wanted to join the marines or date a marine.

00:04:02.840 And that's apparently how this guy felt as well, because he says he's non-binary.

00:04:08.240 I'm not sure whether he wants to date or join, but he did join.

00:04:11.540 The guy, he is part of this campaign that is just, it just ended last month.

00:04:18.940 It's been going on for several months now to try to improve recruitment in the Navy.

00:04:24.180 And hold on, he shares the name with me.

00:04:27.540 His last name is Kelly.

00:04:29.020 And they are unabashed about his role as a non-binary Navy recruit.

00:04:35.400 His name is Joshua Kelly.

00:04:37.080 He's Navy active duty.

00:04:38.520 Um, he is very openly a drag queen.

00:04:42.520 His stage name is Harpy Daniels.

00:04:45.020 Why is everybody last name Daniels who chooses these weird roles?

00:04:48.320 Um, identifies non-binary, joined the Navy in 2016, told the Navy times in 2018.

00:04:53.720 He joined the Navy in part because he needed a stable income to fund his drag hobby.

00:04:59.320 I miss don't ask, don't tell.

00:05:01.040 What happened to don't ask?

00:05:02.200 That worked fine.

00:05:03.660 Now it's like, I will tell and you will listen.

00:05:06.360 Well, I just wonder, like, do you, the standard issue combat boot, is that replaced by a high

00:05:11.740 heel for this guy?

00:05:13.100 Like, how does that work exactly?

00:05:15.280 I mean, look at him.

00:05:16.120 There's a reason.

00:05:16.660 He looks normal until he picks up that high heel.

00:05:19.620 Oh my God.

00:05:20.320 Oh my God.

00:05:21.060 There he is.

00:05:22.620 I'm sorry.

00:05:23.600 But the Chinese are shuddering in their boots.

00:05:24.860 Who is this inspiring to join the Navy?

00:05:28.840 Well, the thing is, I mean, to your point that used to be don't ask, don't tell, there are

00:05:33.120 gay people who have served in our armed forces for years and years and years.

00:05:37.680 But now with this woke mentality, all they want to do is separate people.

00:05:42.520 All they want to do is say that these people are different than you and you're bad because

00:05:46.680 you're not them.

00:05:47.400 And the military is about teamwork.

00:05:50.380 It's about people relying on each other in very difficult situations to help one another

00:05:54.820 get through and achieve something very significant.

00:05:58.040 And all these wokes want to do is just separate people.

00:06:02.180 Yeah.

00:06:02.640 I mean, for the left, all that intersectionality is where they think we're going to find strength

00:06:09.100 in our war fighters.

00:06:10.400 And it's like, no, I mean, fighting a war is about cohesion.

00:06:13.140 It's about teamwork, right?

00:06:14.340 It's about putting the mission ahead of yourself.

00:06:16.120 It's not about this stuff.

00:06:17.480 It's just insane.

00:06:19.100 And that's like, you know, how do you like to go over and keep it personal?

00:06:23.020 I have no idea why, like the left has turned it into you make your personal life up front

00:06:28.760 and define everyone by their personal life.

00:06:31.840 And especially like these guys have been saying in the military, when what has to be stressed

00:06:35.620 is the unit, you know, the guys around you, the folks that, you know, you will rely

00:06:40.300 on in a life and death situation.

00:06:41.760 And the whole time you're there, you've been divided up by category, identity, gender,

00:06:47.620 you know, all these different factors that the left is trying to divide the country by

00:06:51.360 is antithetical to the mission.

00:06:53.620 I think we're seeing exactly what we saw in corporate America now in the military, right?

00:06:57.640 Like a lot of these corporations have been hijacked by the liberal employees on their

00:07:01.600 Slack channels where their personal values need to be reflected in the company that pays

00:07:05.900 them a salary.

00:07:06.700 And now we're sort of seeing that in the military now where just like Smug said, it's like me

00:07:10.980 first, my identity first, not the mission, not the team, not the military.

00:07:15.220 Oh, my God.

00:07:15.720 I can't get over this video.

00:07:16.860 I would much rather have a badass actual woman defending the country or a regular man that

00:07:27.140 I don't want defending me.

00:07:28.880 I miss our men.

00:07:30.900 I quote him every day.

00:07:31.820 Christian Walker, bring our men back.

00:07:33.760 Where are men?

00:07:34.940 Where are they?

00:07:35.520 This is not somebody anybody wants in a foxhole with them.

00:07:38.580 I don't want to look over.

00:07:39.640 None of these guys does.

00:07:40.740 It wants to look over and see this guy with his high heels.

00:07:43.140 I realize he wouldn't probably be wearing them in the foxhole.

00:07:45.920 But you look over this guy who's pronouncing that he's nine binary, which is not a thing.

00:07:50.160 You are one or the other.

00:07:51.300 You are not both male and female.

00:07:53.100 Sorry to break it to you, Kelly.

00:07:55.300 And have to deal with that nonsense.

00:07:56.980 Also, why is he on TikTok to begin with?

00:07:58.220 Exactly.

00:07:58.960 The Navy wants him there.

00:08:00.580 That's the problem, guys.

00:08:01.620 Let me answer that question.

00:08:02.740 The Navy wants him there.

00:08:04.320 The Navy has hired him, named him, as of November 2022, as a Navy digital ambassador.

00:08:11.540 Their initiative ran from October 2022 to this past April.

00:08:14.920 The program is designed to explore the digital environment to reach a wide range of potential

00:08:19.260 candidates for military recruitment.

00:08:22.500 This is how they think they're going to get new recruits.

00:08:26.880 It just boggles the mind.

00:08:29.920 And to a point you made a few minutes ago, Megan, about the few, the proud, and some of the old ads that we used to see out of the different branches of service.

00:08:36.780 Those videos instilled fear in the hearts and the minds of our of our enemies.

00:08:43.180 I mean, think about all the equipment.

00:08:45.640 Think about all of the tech that you saw in these Navy commercials, the jets and the Air Force commercials.

00:08:50.560 Anybody, any bad guy out there who is thinking about stepping to America took one look at one of those commercials and is like, maybe not.

00:08:58.340 You know, and that's and like it shows a side of of our society that's reflected in the vast majority of our military, which is people who are doing their best, risking their lives for others.

00:09:11.480 And then you have a situation where just a small segment is trying to take advantage of that and completely erase it.

00:09:19.960 I mean, I bet Top Gun Maverick did more for recruitment than this ever will.

00:09:23.440 True.

00:09:24.100 You know, you make the military something to be admired and a successful, you know, patriotic force.

00:09:30.780 And that inspires people to want to be a part of something, not dividing people like this.

00:09:35.260 It's unbelievable.

00:09:36.280 Well, there are they're obsessed with identity now.

00:09:37.960 Something that should be that's typically historically was beaten out of these guys and gals as soon as they showed up.

00:09:42.860 You're not black.

00:09:43.560 You're not white.

00:09:44.180 You're not Hispanic.

00:09:45.040 You're not non-binary.

00:09:46.240 You're a Marine.

00:09:47.300 You're a SEAL.

00:09:48.380 You're an innate.

00:09:49.980 That's what the messaging used to be, to tear down and tear away everybody's differences and humble them down to being one thing.

00:09:58.480 And that is in the U.S. military.

00:10:00.040 That's the only thing that matters.

00:10:01.580 The only thing that binds you together.

00:10:02.800 And there's nothing that divides you apart.

00:10:04.380 Nothing.

00:10:04.700 Now, even in the military, this is why it's a bridge too far.

00:10:09.700 They want to divide them by identity.

00:10:11.600 And here is Harpy.

00:10:13.700 OK, again, not Joshua Kelly, but Harpy Daniels praising the military for its for its focus on the proper pronouns.

00:10:22.080 It might be trivial or small in some things, but for me, it's huge.

00:10:27.300 I think it's very important for acceptance and inclusion for the service.

00:10:30.860 We talk about our experiences, and this is an experience that I have literally today with the CMC I never met.

00:10:35.940 CMC is a command master chief.

00:10:37.160 For those who don't know, they're the highest enlisted when it comes to making decisions.

00:10:42.280 And in the service, your words matter.

00:10:44.120 Words matter, especially when it comes to higher leadership, people we look up to.

00:10:46.740 And what they did is they just simply asked me what my pronouns were in a simple conversation, not right away.

00:10:52.400 They just like we're just talking business.

00:10:54.100 And then finally, we got into just some small talk and they asked me what my pronouns were.

00:10:59.000 And they thought it was incredible to see that inclusion and change.

00:11:02.660 Oh, my God.

00:11:03.780 Please tell me he's not defending us against Vladimir Putin.

00:11:07.560 Xi Jinping, please tell me that guy will be nowhere near the battle.

00:11:10.720 He fucking cried over the pronoun situation.

00:11:12.580 I'm sorry, but no, no.

00:11:14.700 Where's our men?

00:11:15.260 Right, right.

00:11:17.180 You go in and I mean, I did not I did not serve, you know, but I have so many friends who did and so many friends who were at Parris Island and started out at the very bottom.

00:11:30.000 And when they walked in, their name was fuck you.

00:11:33.320 That was their name.

00:11:34.060 They didn't even they weren't even asked what their name was.

00:11:36.340 They were just beat up.

00:11:37.360 And then they and then, you know what?

00:11:38.960 You know what?

00:11:39.340 They they were so proud of what they achieved together with their friends, men, women, whoever that they that it's it's it's something to be proud of of what you can achieve through the military, not just not like you apply what you did as a kid to to American military.

00:11:56.900 It's just it's insane.

00:11:58.220 It's completely flipped on its head.

00:12:00.020 It's just it's a shame to see.

00:12:02.280 I mean, if I had to guess the landing boats right before they hit the beaches of Normandy, you know, the crew guy at the front didn't say, OK, everybody, what's your pronoun before we hit this beach?

00:12:10.740 Right.

00:12:11.040 I mean, everything that the military should does should be just geared towards one mission.

00:12:15.920 That's ensuring the success of warfighters.

00:12:17.660 And this is unbelievable that any time we're thinking is being spent on something like this.

00:12:21.920 I mean, I just think you're witnessing an institution decline that's like the rest of our culture, you know, isn't it has too much boredom that it has to come up with reasons to do things like this.

00:12:33.220 Like like you said, nobody cares what your pronouns are when the bullets start flying.

00:12:37.060 You know what else it is, though?

00:12:38.800 Here's the problem.

00:12:39.560 A lot of these people who wear women's clothes or declare themselves non-binary or declare themselves trans, a fair amount, not all, but a fair amount of these guys actually just has this weird sexual fetish, which is called autogynephilia, where they get off.

00:12:53.100 They get turned on by dressing like a woman.

00:12:55.640 That's what's actually happening.

00:12:56.840 Sexual arousal and putting on women's clothes.

00:13:00.180 And so I'm sorry, but if that's actually what's going on with Harpy, he should be nowhere near our other troops.

00:13:07.160 He's got what his little women's underwear on underneath his GI uniform, and he's getting off on the thought that he's got some women's gear on.

00:13:14.860 No, get away from our soldiers and our airmen and our SEALs who are actually trying to defend the country.

00:13:21.900 No one wants to be around you when you're working out your sexual fetish.

00:13:25.640 All right.

00:13:26.160 Whether it's women in a locker room or you in the Navy.

00:13:30.080 This is I want to tell the audience we have Graham Allen coming on at the end of the show.

00:13:34.720 The guys from Ruthless leave us after an hour and a half.

00:13:37.900 We're going to have Graham Allen coming on, and we are going to talk to him.

00:13:42.300 He's an outspoken former military guy who's very upset about this, and for good reason.

00:13:46.880 The reaction is pouring in from former Navy SEALs, former Army Rangers, former Marines, all branches of the military.

00:13:54.040 They're disgusted.

00:13:55.280 This is not the way to improve the Navy's ridiculous recruiting effort fail.

00:14:00.200 They're already way behind.

00:14:01.460 I think the only branch that's on pace to hit its numbers this year is the Marines.

00:14:06.280 So the Navy's got some 6,000 recruits behind.

00:14:08.460 Like, this is going to help you guys, right?

00:14:10.480 Like, this is the solution.

00:14:12.400 It's like the Bud Light thing.

00:14:14.180 Oh, okay, we need to freshen up our brand a little.

00:14:16.720 What if we partner with Dylan?

00:14:18.180 Like, you don't understand who you're trying to recruit.

00:14:22.420 Yep.

00:14:22.580 I mean, there's a dislocation between reality and what these people think the customers of their brand are.

00:14:30.900 Like, you know, like that VP at Bud Light who was like, our brand is too fratty, and it's, you know, it's associated with men.

00:14:38.400 And it's like, well, I mean, men like beer.

00:14:41.140 You know?

00:14:42.200 Sorry, but they do.

00:14:43.660 If you think that having somebody transgender supporting your beer is going to get people who are transgender or are woke to start drinking Bud Light, you're insane.

00:14:53.320 It just doesn't work.

00:14:54.760 I just don't get it.

00:14:56.560 Well, and now, now there's a backlash, you know, as you know, against Bud Light, they're down 26% in their sales now at their, you know, in stores and distributors and so on, which is, I mean, 26% is alarming.

00:15:08.260 It was 21% last week.

00:15:09.540 It was 11% the week before that.

00:15:11.240 So it's just gone steadily down.

00:15:13.440 And now the company's speaking out.

00:15:16.120 The president of Anheuser-Busch.

00:15:17.500 I'm trying to remember what country he's from, I believe.

00:15:24.700 My team will remind me.

00:15:26.460 But we've got him on tape.

00:15:29.780 No, we don't have him on tape?

00:15:31.020 Okay.

00:15:31.500 I thought we were cutting that sound.

00:15:33.160 In any event, he's out there apologizing, both to his distributors and to their investors, saying, we never meant to partner with Dylan Mulvaney.

00:15:40.720 This was one can of beer given to one person.

00:15:44.560 It wasn't an ad campaign, and it wasn't approved by the senior management of the company.

00:15:49.660 Still no apology.

00:15:51.080 I mean, you can see he's in free fall.

00:15:52.660 So he's got to say something because the distributors, all those guys who actually sell Bud Light are losing money through no fault of their own.

00:16:00.680 Sorry, guys.

00:16:01.320 But, you know, this came from corporate, and we're going to hold corporate accountable.

00:16:05.420 So now he's trying to satisfy them that they're going to triple their ad buys for Bud Light over the summer.

00:16:10.300 Hello, that's not going to do it.

00:16:11.640 It's not that people have forgotten about Bud Light.

00:16:14.140 It's that they remember what you did.

00:16:16.360 And still, he cannot say the words, I'm sorry, we screwed up.

00:16:23.520 Yeah, I mean, I think it's really simple.

00:16:25.600 The trouble that Bud Light has here versus other attempted boycotts in the past is like drinking a beer with your friends is a very public consumer choice.

00:16:36.540 Right.

00:16:36.860 Like when you go to the bar, you know, if you wanted to boycott, say, MLB after they they moved out of Georgia for the all star game.

00:16:43.900 Well, I mean, you're going to be watching the MLB in your home.

00:16:46.340 No one's going to see you do it.

00:16:47.520 Maybe that doesn't really gain the steam that it would.

00:16:49.320 Or you order something on Amazon from Nike when people wanted to boycott Nike.

00:16:52.920 It comes to your house.

00:16:53.680 You're going to wear it, whatever.

00:16:54.660 But with a Bud Light, you're going to be ordering that at a bar and you're going to be hanging out with your friends.

00:17:00.080 It's sort of the equivalent of like playing golf with like one of those pink balls.

00:17:04.720 It just doesn't work, you know?

00:17:07.320 Yeah.

00:17:07.760 I mean, these brands are just have been taken over by managers who actually hate our culture.

00:17:15.740 Yep.

00:17:16.020 These are people who do not want anybody who just has a Bud Light, has any kind of beer, but has a different point of view from them in their like woke enclaves.

00:17:27.820 They don't want any of them.

00:17:28.880 They don't want any other people to enjoy their life because they think differently than them.

00:17:33.260 And that means they're bad.

00:17:34.220 Well, the reality is, as Bud Light has learned, even though the CEO is now saying, oh, Dylan, who?

00:17:40.780 Just kidding.

00:17:41.440 We didn't actually do that.

00:17:43.300 Everybody knows.

00:17:44.300 And everybody saw the commercials they ran last weekend, which had country music and people like celebrating at a country music concert.

00:17:53.060 I don't know if you guys saw that.

00:17:54.280 I saw it.

00:17:54.560 They're backtracking.

00:17:55.680 They're trying to get back to the days where a lot of people fell in love with the brands.

00:18:00.580 You guys remember the commercial with the dad and his kids sitting next to each other.

00:18:05.240 He's like, Dad, I love you, man.

00:18:06.600 He's like, you're not getting my Bud Light, Johnny.

00:18:10.300 You guys remember this funny stuff.

00:18:12.560 Right.

00:18:12.740 But now they hate the dad.

00:18:14.960 They hate Johnny.

00:18:16.480 They just want all of us to like Dylan Mulvaney.

00:18:19.220 And everybody's like, get out of here.

00:18:21.140 It's like, how about just we go back to like the 90s, the 2000s, when this stuff was not injected into our eyeballs on a 24-7 basis.

00:18:30.700 And also, it's really concerning the fact that the CEO is like, well, this wasn't senior management.

00:18:35.560 Well, you clearly have zero control over your company if the decisions of someone who's not in senior management can have your sales drop 26%.

00:18:42.180 You don't have control of that company.

00:18:43.860 You're just admitting that God knows who's making the decisions that can affect investors, can affect the sales that you have.

00:18:52.940 If he has zero control of that company, then, I mean, he should definitely step down if he doesn't know what he's doing.

00:18:58.380 And why didn't they fire the woman who did the campaign, the vice president of marketing?

00:19:04.000 She's placed on a leave of absence.

00:19:05.420 So is her boss.

00:19:06.080 Okay, that sounds like a soft firing, but it sounds also like she's still collecting her paycheck.

00:19:12.120 Well, if you really want to make a statement, if this really was some rogue marketing person, someone needs to get fired and we need to hear the words, I'm sorry.

00:19:22.220 I take responsibility.

00:19:24.860 This company is so wormy, so eel-like, they refuse to do it.

00:19:29.660 They want us to move on by statements like this in the Anheuser-Busch letter to their distributors.

00:19:36.380 According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which got a hold of one of them.

00:19:40.720 This was one single can given to one social media influencer.

00:19:43.980 It was not made for production or sale to the general public.

00:19:46.300 This can is not a formal campaign or advertisement.

00:19:48.840 Anheuser-Busch did not intend to create controversy or make a political statement.

00:19:52.960 In reality, the Bud Light can posted by a social media influencer that sparked all this conversation was provided by an outside agency without Anheuser-Busch management awareness or approval.

00:20:01.800 That's not how it's done.

00:20:03.140 We need to hear the words, we are sorry, we've heard you and we get it and we will work to rebuild the trust after we realize we've deeply insulted you.

00:20:13.460 Let's not forget, Megan, the context of what happened a week before they released this ad.

00:20:20.500 A week before they released this ad, there was a trans activist who murdered kids in a school in Nashville.

00:20:27.220 And there was all of this virtue signaling from the left saying, oh, well, you don't understand how hard they have it.

00:20:34.280 And then boom, one of the biggest brands in American and, you know, in America says, actually, we think that the trans are having a hard time.

00:20:45.040 Like it would the timing of it was just as bad as anything else.

00:20:49.400 You know, I mean, and and for them to pretend like like they didn't do anything wrong for them to pretend like they can get away with not even apologizing to people, I think is a bridge too far.

00:21:00.520 The numbers are already are already showing what consumers are responding to.

00:21:05.740 You know, you know, that they're getting all the hell in the world from their distributors.

00:21:09.260 And there are bars who have who have been walking.

00:21:12.960 Did you guys hear about this bar in Nashville?

00:21:15.080 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:16.360 So why don't you tell that there was a bar in Nashville that had to call up their Bud Light distributor and say, hey, this beer is going to go bad and I can't sell it.

00:21:25.840 So you're going to go ahead and have to take that back.

00:21:27.980 There was a bar in Indianapolis where they said, if you if you have a hard time with what Bud Light did, don't come here.

00:21:34.100 Well, guess what? Nobody came. Right.

00:21:35.940 And then they issued an apology to their customers.

00:21:38.100 They're like, well, we shouldn't have got involved in the politics and blah, blah, blah.

00:21:41.820 People want to have a beer so they can forget about politics for crying out loud.

00:21:45.900 They just want something else in life that's not so heavy.

00:21:48.800 Right. And for whatever reason, these wokes think that we can't even have that.

00:21:53.680 You can't even have the one thing in life that helps you escape the wokes.

00:21:57.780 And that's the thing is no lesson learned here because they're still concerned about the opinions of people who will never be their customer.

00:22:06.180 Right. They're still terrified of this group who will never buy their product.

00:22:09.720 And so as long as they're willing to compromise, you know, the trust of their actual customers to appease people who don't buy their product, they're going to be stuck like this.

00:22:18.680 All right. Now, that's and by the way, I just wanted to add to two things.

00:22:22.220 Anheuser-Busch has disabled the comments on that YouTube version of their ad with the country Western like that.

00:22:27.760 They posted their new ad. They disabled the comments. People are mad.

00:22:30.780 I'm telling you, Anheuser-Busch, this is what you need to say. We hear you. We screwed up. We're sorry. We will work to rebuild your trust in our brand.

00:22:41.160 Because as Duncan was saying, you guys know as well as I do, there is a thing about which drink you select.

00:22:47.940 It's the reason it's half the reason some people drink martinis. The glass is cool.

00:22:53.440 It's like the James Bond drink. It's there's something kind of I don't know, just sort of cool and elegant and like mysterious about it.

00:23:02.920 Beer is like I'm a man, right? I'm a cool guy. I like sports. I don't do pronouns like that's kind of what beer is, you know, and certainly like Bud Light has been marketed as like the American beer, like tough guy.

00:23:15.820 You know, you know what you're getting. So what man?

00:23:19.360 I mean, I honestly think my husband probably be embarrassed. He'd be embarrassed to order a Bud Light now because it's saying you support a bunch of stuff that you don't support and you don't want to be seen as supporting.

00:23:31.820 If you're anywhere near the right half of the country or the center of the country, this exploitation of female looks, of female lanes, of female spaces, which is what Dylan Mulvaney has been doing.

00:23:42.780 You know, you don't have to be anti the trans community to be anti what Bud Light did with Dylan Mulvaney.

00:23:48.340 So I don't know how they rebuild that.

00:23:51.460 Yeah, I don't know either. They've got a long, long way to go and they haven't even started yet.

00:23:56.360 I think it could simply begin with a billboard campaign with the blue backdrop that has two words that says we're sorry.

00:24:03.040 I mean, and that might not even be enough because there's a lot of variety out there when it comes to beer, a lot of variety.

00:24:09.000 I mean, there's plenty to choose from and it doesn't all have to come from one brand and that's owned by a foreign company.

00:24:15.760 You know, like it could be like we, you know, just like Justice Kavanaugh.

00:24:20.560 I like beer, you know, it's actually pretty good.

00:24:23.740 And like like I said, I'm not a huge Bud Light fan, haven't been since college, but it's they've got a long way to go.

00:24:33.460 Here's something great. You guys know Gad Saad, right?

00:24:36.260 Professor up in Canada who's fighting the fight from deep within the belly of the woke.

00:24:41.160 I mean, everybody around him is woke. All the fellow professors hate Gad, even though he's brilliant.

00:24:45.740 He's so charming, but he's not woke. So that's his sin. So he has to be demonized.

00:24:50.100 But I love this guy and he happens to be really funny.

00:24:54.140 So sometimes when these controversies break, he goes on cam and he films a little video of himself sort of gently, but very effectively mocking whatever it is.

00:25:04.040 You know, like he had one where he's hiding under the desk that I don't know who was coming, the latest people who scared the left.

00:25:09.940 And he whispers and he gets into like this actor mode.

00:25:13.280 So he did a nine minute bit, which I highly recommend people look at.

00:25:17.260 I retweeted it today on this on the military, you know, deciding to partner with this drag queen.

00:25:24.780 And just sort of like the gender madness is really what he's trying to take aim at, which is the military story in a nutshell.

00:25:31.420 Here's just a bit of Gad Saad.

00:25:34.120 In this Navy, the new Navy, it's inclusive.

00:25:39.640 It's diverse.

00:25:41.820 You want Navy SEALs to live their full truths.

00:25:47.460 So what?

00:25:48.800 One day they could be dropped in Islamabad or Lahore and kill a terrorist.

00:25:57.020 The next day they are at a drag show twerking the same person.

00:26:03.140 That's what you want in a Navy SEAL.

00:26:05.260 So next you're going to have, are you looking to come and become an oncologist?

00:26:10.580 And then you see a drag queen twerking.

00:26:13.200 Are you looking to go into dentistry, twerking ass drag queen?

00:26:19.360 You don't want Navy SEALs that are trained to kill.

00:26:23.720 You want Navy SEALs.

00:26:24.560 What?

00:26:25.600 You see the Taliban coming at you from in Waziristan?

00:26:31.180 Oh, sure.

00:26:31.620 You could go after them with guns or you break out into a drag queen twerking song and dance.

00:26:40.260 And then you defuse the situation where it's a competition of twerking.

00:26:47.320 You de-escalate.

00:26:53.260 Very funny.

00:26:54.100 This is what we're going to be stuck with, you guys.

00:26:55.920 This is where we're going.

00:26:56.920 Another addendum on Anheuser-Busch.

00:26:58.940 They now are actually offering free beer.

00:27:01.740 They pledged to boost their marketing spending on Bud Light, accelerate production of a new slate of ads,

00:27:06.360 and give a case of Bud Light to every employee of an Anheuser-Busch wholesaler.

00:27:11.160 Again, guys, you're wasting your efforts, Anheuser-Busch.

00:27:15.020 You have to start.

00:27:15.300 Wait till the headline is they can't even give it away.

00:27:17.240 That's it.

00:27:18.000 Right.

00:27:18.780 You have to start with what I said and what Ashbrook said.

00:27:23.040 The billboards and all the ad spending needs to have those two magic words on it and just keep digging.

00:27:30.160 Dig over the next year to try to get yourself out of this hole.

00:27:32.420 Now, speaking of digging, we have the latest numbers on the 8 p.m. over at the Fox News Channel,

00:27:37.540 and they're about as bad off as Bud Light.

00:27:39.720 I mean, they're worse because if you say, well, we're down 20 percent in sales, you know, 26 percent as Bud Light,

00:27:46.040 it's worse than that right now over at Fox.

00:27:48.200 They're down half, two-thirds in the 8 p.m. time slot, and the war against Tucker Carlson continues.

00:27:56.240 I'm going to bring you the very latest in just one second.

00:27:58.080 We'll squeeze in a break, and I'll talk about the latest headlines here and some information that I have that I would like to share with you all.

00:28:06.020 All right.

00:28:06.220 More with the ruthless guys in two seconds.

00:28:11.920 We have more numbers in from Fox, and my God, it's awful what's happening at 8 p.m.

00:28:16.940 I mean, I'm happy to see it.

00:28:17.860 I'm not going to lie.

00:28:18.580 I'm happy to see the people because all these stories are the same, right?

00:28:21.620 Like, I do think that the reason the military is falling short of its recruiting goals is because people are sick of the wokeness in the military,

00:28:27.920 the messages from people like Mark Milley that, you know, what they really need to focus on is white rage,

00:28:33.240 that they need to read Ibram X. Kendi.

00:28:36.220 They've had it.

00:28:36.960 People don't want to be lectured to like that in the military.

00:28:39.240 That's in part at least why they're having recruiting struggles.

00:28:42.080 I do think, obviously, the Bud Light backlash is due to this Dylan Mulvaney partnership,

00:28:46.840 so the people are making their voice heard in a way that's really exciting to me.

00:28:51.760 I'm thrilled to see it.

00:28:53.320 You know, conservatives have power, too, and not just conservatives,

00:28:55.960 but people who are just on the side of reason who don't want to see this nonsense injected as they're watching their baseball game.

00:29:01.120 And now at 8 p.m., the same thing is happening.

00:29:03.840 Fox News decided it knew better, and it wouldn't show its audience even the courtesy of telling them why,

00:29:09.160 never mind Tucker, why he was being fired.

00:29:11.480 They were canning their number one host, and since then, they've gone completely jihad on the guy.

00:29:16.380 I mean, they are engaged in a sustained campaign to destroy.

00:29:20.900 It's not going to work.

00:29:22.120 Tucker's audience sees what they're doing.

00:29:24.280 But I will tell you, I had my team just pull,

00:29:26.780 because I don't usually check the mainstream media for stories about Tucker.

00:29:30.420 I'm like, I know what I'm going to get.

00:29:32.440 But man, I wasn't surprised to see the headlines.

00:29:36.040 Here's a few as a result of what I believe Fox is doing to the guy.

00:29:39.180 Um, MSNBC, newly revealed text reflected Tucker Carlson's racism, bloodlust.

00:29:47.500 New York Times opinion piece by Charles Blow.

00:29:49.260 Tucker Carlson, white men, and the lynch mob mentality.

00:29:53.320 Another from MSNBC, Tucker Carlson, racist and wrong.

00:29:57.320 Racist text, same from USA Today, Forbes, The Hill, Washington Post, Vanity Fair, Chicago Tribune, The Guardian, Variety Slate, The Hollywood Reporter, Business Insider, Newsweek.

00:30:05.660 I could keep going.

00:30:06.460 So what I have said before is what I believe a campaign orchestrated from within, most likely by Arena Burganti, who hated Tucker,

00:30:14.620 um, is working with the mainstream to just demonize him even further as a racist lunatic who needed to go.

00:30:21.380 This is all nonsense.

00:30:22.980 We don't know the real reason he was canned, but the audience gets it.

00:30:26.880 They may be able to convince USA Today, but they're not convincing Tucker's core audience.

00:30:32.200 And I'll show you how I know that we averaged the seven days that Tucker's been gone from Fox News and compared it with just the last week he was in the seat at 8 p.m.

00:30:42.920 His overall number, that's everybody who's watching, is down almost 50 percent is down 47 percent without him.

00:30:50.040 The key advertising demo, which is the number they care about, 25 to 54 year olds, is down 59 percent at 8 p.m., 59 percent.

00:30:59.680 They've lost almost two thirds of the audience that helps pay their bills.

00:31:06.020 They're left with about a third of their audience.

00:31:09.180 I mean, that's stunning.

00:31:10.460 And I looked up and down the board at the rest of the primetime, which, with all due respect to the daytime, is all anyone gives a shit about over there at Fox News.

00:31:17.820 The primetime pays the bills, period.

00:31:20.140 They're all down.

00:31:20.900 So I just did a quick calculation.

00:31:23.460 The 9 p.m. demo, which, of course, is Hannity.

00:31:25.600 He follows Tucker, is down almost 40 percent, down 39 percent.

00:31:29.920 And I haven't done the percentage calculations here.

00:31:32.920 Oh, hold on, Steve.

00:31:33.960 My my crack EP has done some calculations.

00:31:36.680 I made him do math.

00:31:38.080 Then the 9 p.m. is down in.

00:31:39.960 So in the demo, down 39 percent overall, down 23 percent.

00:31:43.740 The 10 p.m., down 24 percent in the demo, down almost 20 percent in the total.

00:31:47.860 Um, and I could go on the 11 percent got the 11 o'clock got hurt to Greg Gutfeld.

00:31:53.340 He was averaging, um, 1745 a night in the overall.

00:31:59.780 Now he's down to 1586.

00:32:01.640 He was averaging 258 in the demo.

00:32:03.940 Now he's down to 207.

00:32:05.540 And that's the least hurt hour.

00:32:07.600 All the others are down double digits.

00:32:10.220 They have lost repeatedly to MSNBC.

00:32:13.680 They even have lost to CNN, which has no one watching it.

00:32:19.260 And here's what's happening.

00:32:20.260 I'll tell you right now for sure.

00:32:21.540 Inside Fox News.

00:32:23.140 Panic is setting in.

00:32:25.120 If they lose a month to MSNBC, it will be a catastrophic moment for them.

00:32:32.880 It'll be.

00:32:33.240 I mean, if I were a Fox hater who was mad about what they did to Tucker, I would intentionally

00:32:37.000 turn on MSNBC at night, especially if I had a Nielsen box just to show just so that

00:32:41.620 MSNBC can beat them for this month because that's what they really care about.

00:32:44.860 Trust me.

00:32:45.440 I was there one year when Nancy Grace almost beat Bill O'Reilly at the APM because it was

00:32:49.900 Natalie Holloway time and she was crushing the numbers.

00:32:52.820 And Bill was the number one show.

00:32:54.240 You would not believe the panic that they were on.

00:32:56.600 They did everything within their power to code out the nights that would be that he they

00:33:03.120 knew he'd lose as like a special.

00:33:05.920 So it wouldn't count against the ratings.

00:33:07.740 I could go through all the tricks, but they are a trust me in a panic right now about

00:33:12.120 the fact that the prime time has collapsed and actually could lose an entire month, perhaps

00:33:17.080 more to MSNBC.

00:33:19.020 So what do you guys make of this whole dust up?

00:33:22.520 Well, I think to me what the most interesting thing to follow is I want to see what happens

00:33:27.080 next when it comes to Tucker.

00:33:29.120 Like Duncan was just saying some company offered him what?

00:33:31.800 A hundred million dollars.

00:33:32.720 Yeah.

00:33:33.020 On this program.

00:33:34.300 Yeah.

00:33:35.380 I mean, that's just I mean, that's amazing.

00:33:37.160 I bet David, I think he has an incredible audience.

00:33:40.020 He's been an incredible voice.

00:33:41.280 And I mean, he could do basically anything at this point.

00:33:44.640 I mean, I remember in the hours after he was out of Fox, people were asking, are you

00:33:50.420 going to run for president?

00:33:51.260 I mean, it's incredible the audience he has built in the sport he has built in.

00:33:55.420 I have no idea what he could do next because it could be anything.

00:33:57.680 There's also a stickiness he's built with his audience, I think, over time.

00:34:01.080 And that's because I think his show was just fundamentally different than a lot of other cable

00:34:05.940 news programming.

00:34:06.960 You felt like there was this overarching narrative over the course of his show that he was constantly

00:34:12.100 kind of weaving in.

00:34:14.020 He wasn't just telling you the news.

00:34:15.440 He was guiding you along on a journey of a story he wanted to tell.

00:34:18.360 And I think that's why the audience had a really personal attachment to him, similar

00:34:22.480 in some ways to the way Glenn Beck used to do his show on Fox.

00:34:25.600 I'm curious, though, because I think I think long term Fox will probably figure it out.

00:34:30.500 But I'm curious if you look back at when Glenn Beck left or when you left, Megan, or when

00:34:34.740 when Bill O'Reilly left, you know, were there were there drops as well?

00:34:38.980 And and how long did it take Fox to sort of dig out of that hole?

00:34:43.640 Well, when Bill and I left, it was during the Trump era.

00:34:46.040 So I don't know that you can compare that.

00:34:48.060 I mean, I left January of 2007.

00:34:50.400 He had just won.

00:34:51.280 It was about to take over like there was no way they weren't going to get ratings at

00:34:55.320 that point.

00:34:56.480 And Bill left during the first year of Trump.

00:34:58.900 So same same situation now.

00:35:01.080 It's a little different.

00:35:02.100 I mean, yes, we're in a political year and Fox has turned on Trump.

00:35:05.740 So I don't know that they're going to be taking all the rallies and the campaign events the

00:35:09.500 way they used to.

00:35:10.660 CNN seems ready to do that, as they did the first time.

00:35:14.040 Then they kind of broke up with them.

00:35:15.280 Now they seem to want to get married again.

00:35:18.060 So I don't know.

00:35:18.940 I'm not sure so far if they're hemorrhaging the audience is so angry, they're punishing

00:35:24.600 them up and down the board.

00:35:26.300 And I will tell you, you know, this drip, drip, drip of kill him is backfiring everything

00:35:32.720 they've released.

00:35:33.540 And I'm sure it's them.

00:35:34.740 It's my opinion.

00:35:35.640 I don't have proof, but I'm sure in my head that it's Irina Briganti who's pouring through

00:35:40.740 Tucker's on camera but off air moments to try to find anything to make him look bad.

00:35:45.340 And one of the reasons I suspect Irina Briganti is A, I think she's a very terrible person

00:35:50.220 and B, I know for a fact that when I went over to Fox News to give my one and only interview

00:35:56.160 about NBC post my end at NBC, I gave it to Tucker.

00:35:59.940 We've been friends for a long time.

00:36:01.560 And I know because I have a lot of sources and a lot of friends inside of that building

00:36:05.640 who are way more loyal to me than they are to Irina Briganti, that she taped me and that

00:36:11.680 Tucker's team had protocols in place.

00:36:13.720 They were in D.C. at that time.

00:36:15.460 She's up in New York.

00:36:16.740 They had protocols in place to protect their on-air feed, which would go up to New York

00:36:20.500 from being bastardized or taped or, you know, so that nobody could use anything against

00:36:24.960 Tucker or anybody else in those days.

00:36:27.020 Right.

00:36:27.260 They were suspicious of people like her as I was.

00:36:29.860 And she tried to undo the protocols the day I was there.

00:36:33.360 She tried to get the tech guys to basically undo the protections so she could tape me and

00:36:39.640 potentially use it against me.

00:36:41.000 Anything I said to Tucker during the commercial breaks.

00:36:42.740 Well, guess what?

00:36:43.340 She didn't get anything.

00:36:44.660 I didn't do anything because I'm like, unlike Irina, I'm not a bad person.

00:36:47.820 So she could write off.

00:36:49.980 But that happened.

00:36:51.260 That's how devious this person is.

00:36:53.400 And there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that she did it to Tucker, too, who she hated

00:36:57.680 for a long, long time.

00:36:59.020 He didn't like her either.

00:37:00.080 It's on record already in the Dominion case.

00:37:02.260 He called her the C word.

00:37:03.720 Some people think he was talking about Suzanne Scott.

00:37:05.300 He wasn't.

00:37:05.840 He was talking about Irina.

00:37:07.140 And there's no one in the building who likes this person.

00:37:09.300 Even the Murdochs don't like this person.

00:37:10.900 They tolerate her because she's a vicious snake who could be used to hurt other people.

00:37:16.040 This is how I feel about her after having worked with her for 13 years.

00:37:18.920 The other day I said I worked there for 20 years.

00:37:20.760 That's not true.

00:37:21.540 I worked there for 13.

00:37:22.700 But I know how this place operates.

00:37:25.700 And what they're doing to him isn't working.

00:37:28.240 The audience is only falling more in love with him as they see the way he is off the air.

00:37:33.740 Right, right.

00:37:34.200 And I think I think one of the things what you just said is is a very important point,

00:37:38.880 because what makes Tucker unique is that he is incredibly brave, that he will question all

00:37:45.720 of the assumptions, even some that may sit uncomfortably with his own audience.

00:37:51.440 He is not afraid to ask difficult questions, to kick over every single rock.

00:37:56.700 And he is very transparent with his audience.

00:38:00.440 He always is.

00:38:01.260 And he is so he's he's exactly what you want in a journalist, somebody who will look at

00:38:07.860 what everybody else is writing and be like, hey, wait a minute.

00:38:11.100 You know what?

00:38:12.180 Maybe if the crowd is going one direction, we need to explore what's in the other direction.

00:38:17.140 I mean, he is exactly what people used to get or maybe maybe didn't always get injured,

00:38:23.800 but it's what people want.

00:38:25.100 When you when you turn on the news, you want to know what it is that you're not hearing.

00:38:29.540 You want the information that that the the corporate media is not telling you.

00:38:34.960 Tucker told that to his audience every single night.

00:38:38.300 And the fact that so many people in the corporate media are offended by it, don't like it, are

00:38:42.840 trying to shut him up, only makes his audience love him even more because it confirms it validates

00:38:48.480 the reason they were watching him in the first place.

00:38:50.640 Right, because there's this herd mentality to journalism now, right, where everybody sort

00:38:54.240 of moves the same direction and there's an established narrative.

00:38:56.420 And that's what, you know, the that's the current thing, whether, you know, whether it's

00:39:01.580 Ukraine or Russiagate or whatever, everybody's on the exact same line and nobody's asking

00:39:06.340 questions.

00:39:07.020 So Tucker always counterveiled that.

00:39:08.800 Right.

00:39:09.000 And that's how journalism used to be is like one newspaper goes up with a bunch of reporting.

00:39:13.260 Their rival goes out and has to double check it and see if they got all their, you know,

00:39:17.180 their facts right.

00:39:17.980 If they dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's and journalism isn't like that anymore.

00:39:21.740 It's everybody just builds on the same narrative and never never double checks the facts.

00:39:25.200 And that's what's great about about Tucker and is the reason why he's going to have longevity

00:39:28.900 beyond Fox.

00:39:30.380 The one thing I would say about the leaks is if you're trying to damage the credibility

00:39:35.780 of Tucker Carlson and explain to your audience why he had to be let go, I think media matters

00:39:42.700 is probably the worst place in America you go to get a story written.

00:39:46.100 Yeah, right.

00:39:48.380 His audience doesn't pay attention to media matters and they see Fox's fingerprints on

00:39:51.780 it, unless that is you work at CNN, in which case apparently you see nothing.

00:39:55.860 I mean, I'll tell you something else.

00:39:57.400 I it's very clear to me that Irina Briganti is trying to suppress any commentary yours truly

00:40:03.860 is making about her.

00:40:04.940 I can see her fingerprints there, too.

00:40:06.460 Normally, somebody like me making claims like this about somebody like her would be all

00:40:10.260 over a website like Mediaite, which covers journalists and news about journalists.

00:40:16.040 And certainly when one journalist says something like I'm saying, they you know why it's not

00:40:20.400 there because she's got them by the balls.

00:40:22.640 They're afraid of her that she's their sieve of leaks and access to anything about Fox.

00:40:27.900 So they're too scared to write it up.

00:40:30.580 Newsmax has been covering it because she doesn't have them by the balls.

00:40:34.500 CNN, same.

00:40:35.540 They also rely on this woman because they need to go to her for access on stories like

00:40:40.160 this one, Tucker, and they can't afford to upset this lady because she's powerful.

00:40:44.220 So there are very few of us who are willing to say what we know about her.

00:40:48.560 And this brings me to reliable sources.

00:40:51.320 I believe it's now written by Oliver Darcy since Brian Seltzer was fired.

00:40:55.320 Listen to this nonsense.

00:40:57.080 This is from the newsletter.

00:40:58.980 The question continues to be, who is leaking this footage and why?

00:41:04.360 Okay, that's really not a question for most of us.

00:41:09.020 The videos appear to have been sourced from Fox News's internal video library.

00:41:15.000 You think, Oliver?

00:41:16.380 You think?

00:41:17.300 Who the hell else would have access to Tucker sitting on set in between the commercial breaks?

00:41:21.320 Meaning it would have required someone with access to those systems to download the footage.

00:41:26.780 But surely that would leave some trace.

00:41:29.080 I have asked Fox spokespeople whether the network is conducting a probe into who might have leaked the footage.

00:41:37.720 Irina, are you probing yourself?

00:41:40.220 But I've not received an answer.

00:41:42.400 If you are the person leaking the footage and would like to chat about it, do get in touch.

00:41:48.700 Which, that's the journalistic level over at CNN right now from their new media reporter.

00:41:58.140 Who?

00:41:59.520 Hmm.

00:42:00.380 Hmm.

00:42:00.740 Let me reach out to the main suspect and see if she will out herself.

00:42:05.340 Oh, nothing?

00:42:06.200 No one?

00:42:06.760 Weird.

00:42:06.960 Yeah, it sort of reminds me, Becca, when Variety had the story up on Don Lemon and CNN PR was like, you know, I don't know where these stories could be coming from about the personnel records of Don Lemon.

00:42:19.800 And it couldn't be up.

00:42:22.480 It's just.

00:42:23.660 The one question I was wanting to ask you when we were scheduled for today is you've had your own show on multiple networks and now you've built your own empire online.

00:42:32.660 What do you think Tucker does next?

00:42:34.980 Do you think another network could even coach him?

00:42:36.640 Could they even afford him?

00:42:37.400 Or I don't know how the contracts work.

00:42:39.920 No.

00:42:40.100 I mean, look, the only real appeal of a company like Newsmax is he could be live.

00:42:46.100 And I know he likes being live.

00:42:48.200 But I don't think that's going to be powerful enough for him to go work for somebody else.

00:42:51.760 I really don't.

00:42:52.380 He can make a fortune in the digital lane.

00:42:54.860 He won't have to have a boss.

00:42:56.340 He'll still have tons of power.

00:42:57.720 Or, you know, he has access to all these GOP power players who know they're not going to want to kiss the ring the way they did when he was in the APM on Fox.

00:43:05.660 But he's still a bit of a kingmaker.

00:43:07.900 And I think he'll still have independent power to get these GOP candidates to come on and, you know, talk with him and make news in this election cycle.

00:43:16.320 And he'll have power beyond politics.

00:43:18.160 You know, he's an interesting commentator.

00:43:20.060 So this is just my opinion.

00:43:22.740 He hasn't said this to me, so I'm not giving you inside knowledge.

00:43:27.300 But I really think he's going to stay in the independent lane.

00:43:29.860 I do not think he wants another boss.

00:43:33.020 You know, I can relate to sort of being at the point in my career where our industry is just so gross, you kind of run out of people you want to work for.

00:43:39.840 You really do.

00:43:40.840 And I'm there.

00:43:42.500 I think he's there.

00:43:43.920 I'll give you this other bit of color.

00:43:45.820 Of course, the late night awful hosts who literally can't go on the air unless they have a team of writers writing for them.

00:43:53.900 That's how like flat they are, how non-creative.

00:43:57.440 And that leads me to Stephen Colbert, who decided to take shots at Tucker, who, again, like literally had more than his his more than double his ratings in that key advertising demo as like terrible and awful.

00:44:10.280 And this was his parting shot before he had to go off the air because nobody would write for him and he wasn't clever enough to think of his own comments.

00:44:15.820 Fox News fired Tucker Carlson.

00:44:19.240 I can't believe.

00:44:21.380 Wow.

00:44:22.100 Wow.

00:44:24.220 Wow.

00:44:25.000 Woo.

00:44:26.640 I finally get to say that on TV.

00:44:29.260 I've been holding this in for a week.

00:44:31.960 I feel like I just had the best pee of my entire life.

00:44:34.660 Tucker called a senior Fox News executive the C word.

00:44:38.160 Ooh.

00:44:41.240 Conservative?

00:44:44.900 Cowabunga?

00:44:45.820 Oh, that word.

00:44:49.160 Wow.

00:44:49.840 Nice mouth, Tucker.

00:44:50.940 For those who don't know what word I'm talking about, he called his boss a see you next Tuesday.

00:44:56.740 Or in this case, a see you never, Tucker.

00:45:01.620 That was just...

00:45:02.820 In another video obtained by the New York Times, Tucker is shown off camera discussing his post-menopausal fans.

00:45:14.040 Okay, that seems a little rude, but that is most of his fans.

00:45:17.440 After all, the surest way to stop ovulating forever is looking at this face.

00:45:22.600 Okay.

00:45:25.600 You will see Tucker.

00:45:28.100 You'll see his writers might be on strike, but the guy holding the applause card is not.

00:45:34.720 That's all he needs.

00:45:37.360 It just shows the level of jealousy that was out there.

00:45:40.200 I mean, they were so jealous of the audience size that he had built.

00:45:44.100 Then, I mean, like he said, they have to have writers tell them what to say.

00:45:48.480 They can't come up with any jokes.

00:45:49.780 And their jokes at this point is just basically reading political headlines.

00:45:54.960 Like, this is not a late night show.

00:45:56.940 It's not Letterman versus Leno where, you know, who's got the best guests and who's the funniest.

00:46:01.640 Right.

00:46:02.000 It's the same thing as if you're watching MSNBC for 12 hours a day.

00:46:05.800 Right.

00:46:05.960 There's no personality.

00:46:07.180 There's no individualistic style that comes out on.

00:46:10.960 And it's all political for these guys.

00:46:13.480 It's 100%.

00:46:14.300 There's nothing light.

00:46:15.620 There's nothing funny.

00:46:16.400 Well, look at Colbert trying to lead us to believe like he found Tucker's use of that word offensive, like misogyny really upsets Stephen Colbert and like coloring across certain lines when it comes to discussions on race, really offensive.

00:46:29.760 As far as I know, he's super buddies with Jimmy Kimmel, who's actually worn blackface while speaking in like actually deeply offensive black accents while pretending to be Oprah, saying how he needed to darn suck.

00:46:44.900 Like Samantha Bee called Ivanka Trump a C word on national television.

00:46:50.360 I don't remember him speaking out about that.

00:46:51.580 I don't remember Colbert being super duper offended and doing long segments on it, saying, thank God I don't have to deal with these people.

00:46:58.020 The outrage is awfully selective.

00:47:00.380 All right.

00:47:00.740 Stand by.

00:47:01.240 There's so much more to go over with the guys.

00:47:03.180 I've got to show you the latest Biden gaffe and we've got to discuss it.

00:47:05.700 And the latest Trump response to Biden and some of his gaffes.

00:47:09.280 You'll enjoy this.

00:47:10.340 Don't go away.

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00:47:25.660 Every day, Thatcher asks me, did we get the button?

00:47:28.260 It's YouTube dot com slash Megyn Kelly.

00:47:29.900 Did we get the button?

00:47:31.120 You get we're told you get a button when you hit a million.

00:47:33.460 Steve Krakauer is trying to wiggle out of it now, trying to tell me it's a plaque.

00:47:36.840 I said, what do you mean a plaque?

00:47:38.240 Then he said a button plaque.

00:47:39.900 What the hell is a button plaque?

00:47:41.340 That's not a thing.

00:47:42.460 So every day, if that's just checking the mailbox, I will let you know when it gets here.

00:47:46.540 And it better not be a button plaque.

00:47:51.860 OK, guys, Toobin, Jeffrey Toobin resurfaced.

00:47:56.260 He went on with our pal Dan Abrams over on News Nation.

00:48:00.040 And yes, they went there.

00:48:02.280 Here's a bit.

00:48:02.720 What's life been like for Jeffrey Toobin?

00:48:06.100 Well, let's talk about the incident itself.

00:48:09.260 It was a disaster in my life, self-inflicted, self-destructive and something that I will regret for the rest of my life.

00:48:17.200 And what exactly happened?

00:48:19.100 Was it just you just left open the screen?

00:48:21.580 You know, I'd rather not go into the the grisly details.

00:48:24.840 The only thing I'll say about it is I didn't know other people were were on the Zoom call were watching.

00:48:31.220 And this was not an intentional act on my part.

00:48:33.900 I was very fortunate that CNN brought me back and I worked at CNN for over a year after being being brought back.

00:48:42.380 Did they fire you then?

00:48:43.620 No, no, no.

00:48:44.080 I was not fired by CNN.

00:48:45.580 No, I that was a mutual decision.

00:48:47.860 In fairness, I should point out that it was a new management that that was less fond of me than the old management.

00:48:54.440 So I can't say they were brokenhearted to see me go.

00:48:57.080 Oh, if I could, you know, rewrite history or go back in time, of course, I would not want to have brought this on myself and more importantly, on my family.

00:49:06.680 As we used to say in school, this is on my permanent record.

00:49:11.200 Oh, my God.

00:49:12.220 Self-inflicted.

00:49:13.700 That's one way of putting it.

00:49:16.000 That chyron was awesome.

00:49:17.360 It was like Jeffrey Toobin on being the butt of jokes.

00:49:19.200 Well, what I what I can't get about this, Megan, is it aren't there other people out there that can do legal commentary?

00:49:28.740 Like, why is it that the entire news media is so desperate to rehab this man's career?

00:49:33.700 Like, does he have some knowledge nobody else has about the legal system?

00:49:37.180 I feel like there's a lot of lawyers in America.

00:49:38.980 It's so true.

00:49:40.740 Might want to hear Kim Kardashian's take on it before I listen to Jeffrey Toobin's.

00:49:44.460 She's it's so funny because, like, nothing to see here.

00:49:49.420 Ha ha ha.

00:49:49.920 All is normal.

00:49:50.660 You know, I did something.

00:49:51.560 It's been a couple of years now that he's really kind of brushing by the grisly details because he whipped out his unit on a Zoom call with all of his colleagues at the New Yorker magazine while they were doing election coverage prep and jerked off in front of the eyes of all the women and men with whom he worked.

00:50:11.960 And now he wants to pretend like, well, I didn't know they were watching what man who who clearly hasn't logged off 25 times and closed the laptop would ever think about taking out his penis and jerking off.

00:50:26.320 I'm sorry, there's something wrong.

00:50:27.700 It's not a small detail.

00:50:29.060 I mean, really, what can be said?

00:50:33.440 Honestly, he's written he's written multiple books.

00:50:38.120 He's been like on TV for decades.

00:50:40.120 Did he not save enough money that he can be like, man, I'm going to crawl under a rock and never be seen in public again?

00:50:47.060 I mean, I have no idea why he'd want to want to be on TV.

00:50:50.480 I just got to say, like, like, we're news junkies and we love politics.

00:50:54.000 I've worked a lot of elections.

00:50:56.020 I've gone through a lot of election night, you know, coverage.

00:50:59.420 I've never been aroused by it.

00:51:00.980 And I do this professionally.

00:51:02.380 I have no idea what it would cause the gabbing to be lubing with tubing talking about, you know, what you're going to be doing on election night.

00:51:10.600 It's just insane.

00:51:12.000 It's not a turn on.

00:51:12.900 I like Dan Abrams question, like the foul was, would you just leave your screen on or what would happen there?

00:51:19.920 You know, common thing.

00:51:23.000 You just got to turn your screen off.

00:51:24.960 You know, who exactly in the zoom were you looking at when you were massaging your unit?

00:51:31.040 I mean, I'm just saying, like, it doesn't you know, I would suggest for the record that this is a more common thing to do for men than it is for women.

00:51:40.000 I'm not saying women don't go there, but I'm going to guess that virtually every man out there who's chosen to go this route on any given day would make super sure that there's not an electronic device open and on nearby, especially when you were just on a zoom with all of your colleagues at the New Yorker.

00:52:00.940 Like, wouldn't that be a triple check kind of situation?

00:52:05.860 I just I want to know, like, what is his home life situation where he feels like the best time to squeeze this in is during the zoom with your employer?

00:52:16.900 Like, it's like an opportune time where you're monitored at all times.

00:52:23.340 Like, like, I don't get it.

00:52:26.000 All right.

00:52:26.480 Listen, in his defense, we all have technical problems in our lives.

00:52:30.420 And this brings me to something.

00:52:32.400 I don't know why I want to discuss it with you.

00:52:34.260 I just know that I do.

00:52:35.740 I want to tell you about a little technology issue I've been having myself, which has been the bane of my existence.

00:52:42.680 OK, this is good.

00:52:43.320 Am I Duncan is our tech guy?

00:52:44.680 Yeah, he can probably help you.

00:52:46.020 If you can solve this hats off to you.

00:52:48.320 Um, my team sends me these research packets like I got one today for the Ruthless guys where they pull out, you know, various stories and they give me the updates on them and so on.

00:52:56.640 And I'm always driving my kids around.

00:52:58.520 I'm moving around in the mornings.

00:52:59.600 We're doing my hair, my makeup, whatever.

00:53:01.160 So I like to listen to the packets a lot of the time.

00:53:04.160 I don't always get to read them, but I listen to all of them.

00:53:07.760 And that brought me to Microsoft Word, like read aloud, which all you do is you download, you know, you click on the document as long as it's a Word document.

00:53:17.220 And then you click the little read aloud icon and it will read the document to you.

00:53:22.600 And this is very convenient.

00:53:24.640 But I have been in a war with Microsoft Word read aloud.

00:53:29.440 Microsoft Word read aloud is racist, first of all.

00:53:32.320 And I don't need you to take my word for it.

00:53:34.780 Would you listen to how Microsoft Word has been reading aloud the beginning of my packets?

00:53:41.180 This is just one of many examples.

00:53:42.620 Take a listen here to SOT 19.

00:53:44.960 SOT 19.

00:54:14.960 German, Japanese.

00:54:20.480 I'm not sure what that producer, Natasha.

00:54:22.740 What's that?

00:54:23.220 I don't know.

00:54:24.820 But I'm like, what's happening here?

00:54:26.180 I don't think this is appropriate Microsoft Word read aloud.

00:54:28.900 So then I whatever I could deal with it.

00:54:30.520 It's like it's kind of annoying, but fine.

00:54:32.140 Then what happens is sometimes you're hearing the nice regular lady's voice.

00:54:35.640 It's like an English speaking voice.

00:54:37.780 And then it switches without any warning into something like this.

00:54:41.100 SOT 23.

00:54:41.660 I learned to take a hit.

00:54:45.760 He was the team's nose tackle.

00:54:47.780 The big guy on the D-line whose job was to plug the middle with his sheer size and wingspan.

00:54:53.540 What?

00:54:53.800 But one thing I had learned as a smaller guy.

00:54:56.700 What happened to the nice lady?

00:54:58.080 I mean, they really got to work on this.

00:55:02.280 Okay, here.

00:55:02.940 Let me give you let me give you the third version.

00:55:04.900 Then you're like, fine.

00:55:06.240 I can still understand what she's saying.

00:55:07.720 At least I'm like, I'm driving.

00:55:09.200 So I can't really deal with this nine, nine times out of 10.

00:55:11.640 Then this was the deal breaker.

00:55:13.240 This is when I went to Abby and I'm like, Abby, we got to get rid of this.

00:55:16.300 We got to find a different system.

00:55:18.220 This happens when you've been listening to an especially long packet.

00:55:22.340 This is SOT 22.

00:55:34.400 Is it speed reading?

00:55:36.140 What is that?

00:55:36.620 I think it's proof that the machines may not be taking over quite as soon as it's time.

00:55:41.700 I have this to say about AI.

00:55:44.360 It's not working.

00:55:45.800 So I was like, we got to get a new system, Abby.

00:55:47.960 So she goes and she finds me something.

00:55:49.780 We download it.

00:55:50.420 I'm sure we paid for it.

00:55:51.540 It's called Natural Reader.

00:55:53.400 And she's like, MK, this is a solution.

00:55:54.780 We're abandoning Microsoft Word.

00:55:56.280 I'm like, good, because they're racist.

00:55:57.700 And we're going to go with Natural Reader.

00:55:59.560 That sounds nice.

00:56:00.120 Sounds like a trip to the spa.

00:56:01.680 So I go to the spa with Natural Reader.

00:56:04.080 And it was doing okay.

00:56:05.060 The voice was kind of normal.

00:56:06.560 I'm like, okay, this is much better.

00:56:08.060 Until she switches into what sounds very much like a woman having a Jeffrey Toobin type moment.

00:56:14.600 Oh, no.

00:56:15.980 The problem is she reads bullet points as the word, oh.

00:56:22.960 Oh, no.

00:56:24.940 You keep getting all these, oh.

00:56:27.060 Imagine a grocery list with this lady.

00:56:29.320 Listen, here she is.

00:56:31.500 There's a normal buildup.

00:56:33.020 And then you'll hear what I'm talking about in SOT 20.

00:56:35.740 Previous low was 38%.

00:56:39.340 In March, he was at 40%, so he's dropped three points in just a month.

00:56:45.400 Comparing Biden's 37% to other presidents in April of third year, oh, Trump.

00:56:51.060 46% oh, Obama.

00:56:52.840 44% oh, George W.

00:56:54.680 70% oh, Clinton.

00:56:56.280 48% oh, George H.W.

00:56:58.320 79% oh, Reagan.

00:57:00.060 42% oh, Carter.

00:57:01.520 40% oh, Nixon.

00:57:02.680 50% it goes on.

00:57:06.340 The only person is aroused by elections other than Jeffrey Toobin is a computer.

00:57:12.560 I think that's a perfect match.

00:57:14.500 He should have just gotten a copy of the software.

00:57:18.620 At first, I was like, my producers are so enthusiastic about this point.

00:57:22.820 Oh, Biden's at 37%.

00:57:25.080 Oh, he's falling two points.

00:57:27.180 I'm like, such enthusiasm for the data.

00:57:29.240 And then I was like, why is she making everyone Irish?

00:57:32.720 Like, it's not, oh, Biden's not a thing.

00:57:38.480 And then it took me to this R-rated place.

00:57:41.280 I can't.

00:57:42.020 If anybody out there has a normal reader, please email me.

00:57:47.620 Or just email me, Megan, M-E-G-Y-N, at MeganKelley.com.

00:57:51.660 Or you can post it in the comments to this YouTube segment because I need help.

00:57:56.060 Okay, so I feel better.

00:57:58.500 You could always email it to Smug in the mornings, and then he could just read it into the microphone.

00:58:03.180 I would love that.

00:58:04.580 Smug has a delightful voice.

00:58:06.120 He has a wonderful laugh.

00:58:07.520 He would put his personality into it.

00:58:09.560 I would pay you for that, Smug.

00:58:10.900 There's a business model.

00:58:12.120 There we go.

00:58:13.060 He could drop in a little horse fighting.

00:58:16.600 This is your side gig.

00:58:18.100 What do they call it?

00:58:18.480 Your side hustle.

00:58:19.540 Okay, let's get back to real news.

00:58:21.220 That was real.

00:58:22.220 It's just not actual news.

00:58:23.360 So Joe Biden, out there again, committing gaffes left and right, one of which Trump made fun of, which I want to show you.

00:58:30.060 But here's the first one.

00:58:31.360 Okay, he was speaking on Monday during an event to highlight the National Small Business Week in the Rose Garden.

00:58:38.300 He was trying to congratulate the founders of this power company as Florida Small Business Persons of the Year for contributing to their shift to clean energy.

00:58:47.960 Okay?

00:58:48.580 But could not quite get the name of the company out.

00:58:52.100 What do entrepreneurs make to our economy?

00:58:57.000 And we see it here again today in companies like, and I hope I pronounced it right, Ame Power.

00:59:04.580 Is it Ame?

00:59:06.400 I believe that's right, yeah.

00:59:08.280 Ame Power.

00:59:09.080 Florida Small Business Winner, Award Winner, Business Week Winner.

00:59:16.220 You won.

00:59:17.100 Oh, my God.

00:59:17.960 Oh, my God.

00:59:20.900 He gave up.

00:59:22.100 Okay, so there's that.

00:59:26.640 And then stand by, because I wanted to show you.

00:59:28.140 So Trump has kind of gotten in on the action already and has picked up on some of Biden's priors when it comes to not knowing what he's saying, not knowing where he is, the wandering.

00:59:39.780 This is more for the visual audience.

00:59:41.840 So listening audience, bear with me.

00:59:43.540 Here it is.

00:59:43.900 Do you think at least one time you'd get up and say, I'm running for president?

00:59:49.540 Where, where am I going?

00:59:51.360 Where the hell am I going?

00:59:52.760 I want to get out.

00:59:54.000 Oh, no, over there.

00:59:55.740 Over there.

00:59:56.180 I love when Trump does that last bit with his hands.

01:00:10.220 Like, it just, I can't.

01:00:12.680 You know, I can't.

01:00:13.540 Pretty good.

01:00:14.340 And some, you know, some ripe ground there for him.

01:00:17.560 Very good.

01:00:17.840 This is Trump at his best.

01:00:19.000 When he's entertaining, when he's light, when he is making people laugh, he is connecting with his audience and he is earning votes back that he may have lost over the last couple of years.

01:00:27.960 And I just think the more of that he does, the more visible he is with this sort of personality, the more people are taken back to 2015 when they first met him.

01:00:37.680 Yeah, it's the commentator Trump, right?

01:00:39.320 It's what I always say.

01:00:40.240 It's like he's your buddy on the couch.

01:00:42.300 He's watching the spectacle with you.

01:00:44.380 And he's like, isn't this absurd?

01:00:45.780 It's obvious to me that this guy's in cognitive decline.

01:00:48.600 Like, let's all laugh at him.

01:00:49.820 Right.

01:00:50.200 And it's like Trump can uniquely hit that with the audience.

01:00:53.140 And he feeds off the feedback that he gets from the live audience.

01:00:57.000 And I mean, when he's out on the trail doing stuff like this, the guy is just untouchable.

01:01:03.060 Yeah, he's unstoppable.

01:01:04.600 But I notice you comment, you know, Biden's age.

01:01:09.200 You're obviously bigoted against old people.

01:01:11.920 That's what's obvious to me.

01:01:13.720 I read Axios and I read that if you think that this is a problem, you could be wrong because he's out there.

01:01:22.020 He's doing stuff.

01:01:22.940 He's meeting with people.

01:01:24.280 He's meeting them between the hours of 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.

01:01:29.880 But he's meeting them and they know that they need to protect him.

01:01:34.820 He trusts us.

01:01:35.420 He's mentally sharp.

01:01:36.320 Say his advisors to Axios.

01:01:38.240 But only between the hours of 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.

01:01:42.180 And it can't be on a weekend either.

01:01:44.680 And it's difficult to schedule public or private events with him in the morning and also in the evening and also on the weekends.

01:01:52.120 And that they are privately comparing him to, quote, an aging king.

01:01:56.440 He has a tight knit palace guard of longtime aides whose first instinct is to protect him and not take any chances.

01:02:04.080 Yes. So are they right?

01:02:08.000 I think this is a really important distinction is I think it's clear that this is not about age.

01:02:13.600 I think that Biden is in cognitive decline because that 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. is very telling.

01:02:19.360 Elderly people normally will be up at 5 a.m. to hit country kitchen buffet.

01:02:22.660 Like that is the normal play.

01:02:24.620 The fact that you can't even pull that off has nothing to do with age.

01:02:27.700 He's just falling apart.

01:02:30.640 Yeah, I mean, it's sort of like, you know, spring semester of senior year in high school.

01:02:35.300 We get a little senioritis.

01:02:36.340 You got to take a lighter class load.

01:02:38.040 You know, you're you're kind of coasting until summer.

01:02:40.780 You know, I mean, that's kind of where Joe Biden is right now.

01:02:43.300 Look, it served him well in 2020.

01:02:45.160 The guy sat in his basement, became president of the United States.

01:02:48.100 So I don't expect he's going to change much.

01:02:50.560 I think, you know, his cheerleaders in the mainstream media are going to talk about every public appearance like, wow, he's so young, so virile, looking out there shaking hands and kissing babies.

01:03:00.240 But I think the reality and you see from all these clips is if he's out there for too long, he's going to screw up.

01:03:05.400 And they just I mean, they have no answer for that.

01:03:07.680 And honestly, you can see a lot of the a lot of the mainstream media lies coming through people who have been covering Joe Biden for decades know that 10 years ago, 20 years ago, he was Mr.

01:03:19.280 a personality like him or hate him, whatever.

01:03:21.740 He walked into a room.

01:03:23.020 He was making jokes.

01:03:24.060 He was smiling.

01:03:25.260 He was, you know, stepping on his words still.

01:03:27.640 But at least he was putting sentences together.

01:03:30.040 At least he was trying to entertain people.

01:03:32.240 And now it's just completely different.

01:03:34.620 And the press is pretending like something, you know, like nothing is wrong.

01:03:37.960 I mean, I had a great grandmother who lived to be over 100.

01:03:41.520 She never one day in her life sounded like Joe Biden.

01:03:45.220 And it's definitely not an age thing.

01:03:47.600 It is all about ability.

01:03:49.020 And he doesn't have it.

01:03:50.440 No, you're not allowed to make that distinction.

01:03:51.980 Even bringing up cognitive decline suggests you're an ageist bigot.

01:03:56.680 That's where they're going to go, as evidenced by this clip from MSNBC with a Democratic strategist named Chai Commanduri, who worked for the DNC.

01:04:05.560 Listen to this.

01:04:06.060 Let's talk about it honestly, okay?

01:04:09.340 He is old.

01:04:10.440 Age is an issue.

01:04:11.560 Americans have a rich history of holding people's physical characteristics against them.

01:04:16.640 You can ask African Americans.

01:04:17.920 You can ask women.

01:04:19.000 That is a fact.

01:04:20.100 That is a topic.

01:04:20.620 Just comparing the flag.

01:04:21.260 It's funny you mention the age thing that way, that you can put it in the context of other discrimination, like ageism.

01:04:28.560 Joe Biden's 100 years old and can't put a sentence together.

01:04:31.560 That's just like the Civil War problems of the 60s.

01:04:34.440 Yeah.

01:04:36.060 It's the most offensive thing.

01:04:38.500 If they could listen to themselves, they could listen to them and be offended by themselves.

01:04:41.800 The most powerful man in the world also now finds himself at the top of the pyramid of oppression.

01:04:50.020 It's unbelievable.

01:04:51.640 That's their trick for everything.

01:04:53.600 That's their trick for everything.

01:04:55.080 One trick for mine.

01:04:56.620 Right?

01:04:57.480 It's like you can't stop.

01:04:59.680 And so that's what we're going to start hearing, I guess.

01:05:01.160 They're going to start, they're sort of floating the test balloon to see, does that, does that fly?

01:05:06.620 Right?

01:05:06.860 Like any criticism of his gaffes is ageist.

01:05:10.260 It's like, is he going to try to play that card on Trump in a debate like that Trump's ageist and Trump's like only a few years younger than Biden is?

01:05:18.540 Good luck.

01:05:19.240 Yeah, I mean, and the contrast between the two of them could not be starker because there is Trump.

01:05:24.280 Every single word is crisp.

01:05:25.760 Every single joke seems to land when he's actually being light and he's actually being himself.

01:05:31.640 And Biden can't do it.

01:05:33.140 And they can say it's ages till they're blue in the face.

01:05:36.640 Everybody can see plain as day that they're lying.

01:05:39.200 And reality tells the truth.

01:05:40.680 Now, do you guys, speaking of Trump and debate, before and if he wants to get to the general election, he has to be the party nominee.

01:05:48.860 And that requires him to win the GOP primary.

01:05:51.940 And that will typically require you to go through some GOP presidential debates.

01:05:57.760 Or not.

01:05:59.180 Right now, the reports are that Trump is thinking about skipping one, maybe both, of the GOP debates that have been scheduled so far,

01:06:07.760 though he is going to do a CNN town hall next week, hosted by Caitlin Collins, Don Lemon's old colleague on The Morning Show.

01:06:17.620 But he's reportedly complaining about the GOP scheduling these two debates without asking him.

01:06:25.400 And what they say is that he's mad because, number one, he does not hard stop want to go to the Reagan Library one.

01:06:32.480 That's the second one, I think, because he says it's a non-starter for him because Fred Ryan is the guy who oversees the library.

01:06:42.580 And he's also publisher and chief executive officer of The Washington Post.

01:06:48.140 So he doesn't want to go help Fred Ryan out in any way, shape or form.

01:06:52.100 The other debate, the first one, is hosted by Fox News.

01:06:55.680 He doesn't need to worry about that because I will no longer be there, not in the Fox News debate stage.

01:07:25.120 And the question is whether he will be there and whether he should be there.

01:07:28.660 What do you guys think?

01:07:30.300 Yeah, I mean, I think he should debate and I think he will debate, frankly.

01:07:34.040 I mean, he skipped that one debate back in 2016 right before Iowa.

01:07:37.640 He ended up losing the state.

01:07:39.060 And I also think like Donald Trump in a camera is like a moth to a flame.

01:07:44.600 I sincerely do not believe Donald Trump will be able to stay home and watch a bunch of other people get up on national television and talk about him.

01:07:52.380 I just do not think that's going to happen.

01:07:54.200 He'll counter program.

01:07:55.620 I mean, maybe he'll maybe he will.

01:07:58.580 Well, yeah.

01:07:59.200 But like I think he's kind of making up the rules as he goes here.

01:08:01.940 Right.

01:08:02.600 He won't do the Reagan library debate because, you know, the Washington Post guy or whatever.

01:08:09.020 But he'll do a CNN town hall.

01:08:10.800 Right.

01:08:11.280 So I think he's kind of making it up as he goes.

01:08:13.760 And initially he was sort of working the refs on things like moderators or who's hosting the debate.

01:08:20.060 And now he's basically just saying, well, look, I'm up so much in the polls.

01:08:22.920 What does it matter?

01:08:23.920 I don't think Donald Trump will be able to help himself at the end of the day.

01:08:27.460 And I think ultimately it will debate.

01:08:29.580 I have an idea.

01:08:30.360 I have an idea.

01:08:30.900 I think he should go.

01:08:34.820 He should do a live, tough interview with Tucker Carlson at the same time as the Fox News debate.

01:08:42.900 Oh, I know you're ready.

01:08:47.400 Oh, that's a good idea.

01:08:49.220 I'm sorry, but that's an excellent idea.

01:08:50.560 That's what should happen.

01:08:52.060 Well, what about the CNN town hall?

01:08:53.800 Because the leftists are freaking out that CNN is hosting him.

01:08:59.840 I try not to spend too much time in Overman land because it's very toxic and bad for you.

01:09:05.080 But he's kind of amusing to watch in his meltdowns.

01:09:08.080 I kind of get amused by how upset he gets over things.

01:09:10.980 Here he is talking about about Caitlin Collins, who once worked for the Daily Caller and therefore

01:09:16.980 ostensibly for Tucker, which is why people like Overman can't stand her.

01:09:20.800 Here it is.

01:09:22.560 Have Tucker Carlson and CNN's Trump moderator Caitlin Collins both just ended their own careers?

01:09:30.220 Carlson saw a video of three Trump guys beating an Antifa kid, texted to his producer, quote,

01:09:36.060 it's not how white men fight, unquote.

01:09:39.600 That was what I told you Fox had to have discovered at the last minute before trial.

01:09:44.100 It's why they settled.

01:09:45.280 It's why they fired Carlson.

01:09:46.780 And seven years ago today, CNN's Caitlin Collins was still getting paid by Tucker Carlson to

01:09:53.060 write for his site.

01:09:54.440 Her articles have resurfaced.

01:09:56.500 In one, she mocks both torture and charity fundraising for ALS, for Lou Gehrig's disease.

01:10:03.340 Quote, ice bucket challenge hipsters.

01:10:05.840 These Guantanamo detainees did it first.

01:10:08.880 Yet Collins is the moderator.

01:10:11.500 CNN insists will fact check Trump's lies in real time.

01:10:15.660 She and the town hall have to go.

01:10:18.160 I mean, it's almost sad seeing what's become of this guy, you know, like he's trying to

01:10:29.260 give advice on like, here's how you how you succeed on television, which probably is the

01:10:33.800 last guy who should be an expert on that.

01:10:35.480 Yeah.

01:10:35.640 And he's just standing there next to boycott CNN right now among some of these lefties.

01:10:40.100 They're very and they what they don't want is CNN to do what it did the last time under

01:10:44.400 Jeff Zucker, which is just seed the cameras up and down the lineup to Donald Trump.

01:10:50.600 That is what happened the last time because he's a ratings bonanza and they they feel like

01:10:55.460 CNN's waiting into that that behavior all over again.

01:11:00.340 Well, the left just cannot take being questioned because they live in their own woke bubble and

01:11:05.880 nobody inside ever questions anything that they do.

01:11:09.120 And so the first time that somebody pushes against one of their assumptions, they lose

01:11:13.880 their mind.

01:11:14.660 And Keith Olbermann is the perfect example of that.

01:11:16.960 I mean, here's a guy we we grew up watching on SportsCenter and now he's standing next to

01:11:21.220 drywall with a picture of himself screaming into an iPhone or or some poor producer is standing

01:11:26.200 there with a camera and he's just yelling at him like I did.

01:11:30.040 I this guy's appeal other than a novel curiosity just blows my mind.

01:11:35.200 There is that people will watch the CNN debate with Trump.

01:11:40.340 I mean, I do think it's going to be an interesting dynamic for him.

01:11:43.420 Like he's across from a woman, right?

01:11:45.500 It's not like another guy.

01:11:47.540 He doesn't sit that often with like women who might not share his ideology.

01:11:52.120 And like he sat with Candace Owens.

01:11:54.640 It should be kind of interesting.

01:11:56.100 He sat with me in the past.

01:11:56.900 I'm just saying recently I haven't seen that.

01:11:59.300 So, you know, she's got a little she's got a needle to thread because the CNN audience

01:12:03.260 doesn't like Trump and they're going to want to see him, you know, destroyed.

01:12:06.540 And yet CNN is under orders from the new boss not to alienate all Republicans and Republican

01:12:12.380 voters.

01:12:12.860 They certainly sense an opportunity with the Fox primetime hemorrhaging it like it is.

01:12:17.820 So I kind of want to watch for those reasons alone, you just see how they thread the needle.

01:12:22.760 Yeah, I'm very curious.

01:12:23.960 I'm also curious how much room they give Trump to criticize, you know, other candidates or

01:12:30.680 potential candidates in the Republican primary for president.

01:12:33.560 You know, if they give him a lot of ammo to go ahead and attack DeSantis, I mean, I think

01:12:38.080 the CNN audience would be fine with that.

01:12:40.480 Yeah, no, I think so, too.

01:12:41.940 And then I mean, honestly, it gives some fodder to his opponents to say you're going on CNN

01:12:46.000 to trash all these Republicans and conservatives who are just trying to win the White House

01:12:49.660 against Joe Biden.

01:12:50.940 I mean, it's an interesting dynamic.

01:12:52.760 And back to the point that Duncan was making earlier, I think Trump and Trump needs to do

01:12:57.000 the debates.

01:12:57.500 I think he will do the debates.

01:12:58.920 He's just so good and so entertaining in these scenarios.

01:13:02.420 And you got to think that he's confident enough in his abilities that he knows he can

01:13:07.100 stand on stage next to everybody else who's running against them and put his best foot forward.

01:13:11.580 I just I think he's I think he has to do it.

01:13:14.100 Well, I mean, right.

01:13:14.900 If he is as confident as you you think he is, Ashbrook, then he has to debate, right?

01:13:20.440 Because now he has a record he has to defend.

01:13:22.620 If he doesn't go out there and debate, it's going to look like he can't defend his record

01:13:26.480 or he's scared to do so.

01:13:27.820 I think it's as simple as that.

01:13:29.320 Right.

01:13:29.500 And the CNN brand carries a very, very low place in the minds of Republican primary

01:13:35.060 voters because of what they've done to Republicans over the past five or six years.

01:13:39.760 And so it's I think it's going to be really interesting to see how the opponents play the

01:13:43.840 politics of him spending time with CNN instead of spending time with the voters.

01:13:47.860 Right.

01:13:48.700 It's tough.

01:13:49.340 I mean, in a way, they're in a lose lose position because if they excoriate Trump, the GOP is

01:13:56.760 going to be angry.

01:13:57.620 Trump's going to be angry.

01:13:58.600 It's not going to help them.

01:13:59.400 Their effort to get Republicans back watching.

01:14:01.020 If they do anything other than just absolutely ream the guy, then you're going to have their

01:14:08.820 audience disappointed with them.

01:14:10.740 Right.

01:14:10.880 Like you, the Olbermann's of the world want to see her emerge with Trump's jugular.

01:14:15.580 What will be interesting is if Trump starts going back over 2020.

01:14:18.980 What if he gets on there and he says the Dominion voting machines were rigged?

01:14:23.340 Right.

01:14:23.840 Like the very thing that Fox just had to pay eight hundred million dollars for platforming.

01:14:28.600 It's like you're going to see an absolute meltdown on the set of CNN.

01:14:31.900 And that that too could be worth watching.

01:14:34.480 Guys, I think, Megan, Megan, to your point, whether it's libs hate watching, whether it's

01:14:39.780 conservatives tuning into CNN again for the first time in a long time, whether it's people

01:14:43.920 just out of curiosity for how CNN plays Trump, it's going to be a ratings bonanza.

01:14:49.000 There's no question about it.

01:14:50.480 Definitely.

01:14:51.020 Well, I mean, by CNN standards, that means they have four viewers instead of two.

01:14:54.880 So let's keep the proper perspective.

01:14:58.600 You were just as good even without Holmes.

01:15:00.380 I don't know what that means.

01:15:01.320 I mean, we love Holmes.

01:15:02.900 I'll be sure to let him know.

01:15:06.480 Thanks, guys.

01:15:07.440 See you again soon.

01:15:08.720 Thank you so much.

01:15:10.080 And we're going to be right back with Graham Allen, who's got some thoughts for the Navy on

01:15:15.500 this drag queen reach out.

01:15:17.500 It is more than a trial by fire.

01:15:24.640 It is a right of passage.

01:15:27.860 A challenge to join the elite.

01:15:30.040 And if you succeed, if you can master your fear, outsmart your enemy, and never yield even

01:15:40.520 to yourself, you will be changed forever.

01:15:44.860 The few, the proud, the Marine.

01:15:51.580 Yeah, that's what military recruitment videos used to look like, slaying the dragon.

01:15:57.620 Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show.

01:15:59.060 They look a lot different now.

01:16:00.700 We have more to get to now about the latest recruitment effort by the Navy.

01:16:04.580 Graham Allen is an Army veteran and retired Army staff sergeant who served 12 years in combat and

01:16:09.640 was deployed twice to Iraq.

01:16:12.160 He currently hosts the Dear America podcast, where he discusses major issues in culture

01:16:17.120 and politics and defends American values.

01:16:20.440 And he has now found himself in a bit of a scuffle with this drag queen sailor who's become

01:16:27.400 sort of the face of the Navy.

01:16:30.140 Graham, welcome to the show.

01:16:31.760 Hey, Megan.

01:16:32.280 Thanks for having me.

01:16:33.200 I really appreciate it.

01:16:34.320 Happy to be here.

01:16:35.460 My pleasure.

01:16:36.040 Thanks for coming on.

01:16:36.760 So what happened was this guy, Joshua Kelly, aka Harpy Daniels, was hired by the Navy, used

01:16:44.500 by the Navy to go out there as the face of the Navy in a digital recruiting effort over

01:16:48.420 several months, almost a year, and is really loving being so public about it and being a

01:16:55.800 drag queen, you know, sailor.

01:16:57.460 And you came out and said, you know, I'm not feeling it.

01:17:00.960 You said, this is not the same military I served under.

01:17:04.660 Our enemies laugh at us.

01:17:05.960 So then Joshua Kelly came out and clapped back, as the New York Post phrased it, and

01:17:13.380 said the following to you and to Rob O'Neill, who also was critical.

01:17:17.200 You only want to support the military when it benefits you and doesn't involve queer

01:17:21.700 people.

01:17:22.420 Yet the military is the largest diverse and adaptable organization in the USA.

01:17:26.920 Well, as a service member, a queen, and an open queer person, you don't scare me and

01:17:33.120 you won't stop the LGBTQ plus community from thriving.

01:17:37.260 Haters only hate when we're winning.

01:17:39.960 Your response to him.

01:17:42.220 Well, first of all, this was supposed to be a normal Thursday for me.

01:17:46.380 I was supposed to film the show.

01:17:48.040 It was supposed to be kind of a lax day.

01:17:50.100 And then all of a sudden, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

01:17:52.580 The whole crew starts blowing up, you know, oh, this is the, and in fairness of all the

01:17:57.980 things that I have said over the course of my whole career doing this, this is probably

01:18:02.520 the most mild thing I've ever said.

01:18:05.280 And I actually was texting Rob O'Neill right before we got on here.

01:18:09.380 Uh, I'm not even a Navy guy.

01:18:11.440 I'm an, I'm an army guy.

01:18:13.260 Um, but I also was a recruiter for three years, uh, while in the army.

01:18:17.560 And so I know all about, um, in strength for the military and recruiting efforts, et cetera.

01:18:24.080 My issue wasn't even this Joshua Kelly person.

01:18:27.960 I don't even know.

01:18:29.280 I didn't even know who that was.

01:18:31.160 Um, until this came up, my issue was with the Navy and the, the, the military in general,

01:18:37.400 we're, we're, we're no longer going after the best in the brightest.

01:18:41.880 Uh, we're going after woke feelings.

01:18:44.040 We're going after, honestly, the sexuality of people, which is weird in the first place.

01:18:49.680 What does that have to do with being in the military?

01:18:52.680 The military sole purpose in life is to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

01:19:00.920 What does that have to do with your sexual orientation?

01:19:04.640 What color your skin is, what your religion is?

01:19:07.400 It has nothing to do with anything.

01:19:09.300 And that's, that was my issue.

01:19:11.740 Why I got picked up in this whole thing.

01:19:14.360 I have no idea.

01:19:15.720 I mean, it's not my first scandal.

01:19:17.700 Uh, but like, I don't think my comment was that bad.

01:19:21.520 It's not a scandal, Graham.

01:19:23.080 Your comment wasn't bad at all.

01:19:24.760 Don't let them shame you off of what is a very reasonable position.

01:19:27.920 Who wants to serve next to that?

01:19:29.360 Honestly, who wants to serve next to that guy in the foxhole?

01:19:33.140 Not me.

01:19:33.560 Well, again, and let me clarify.

01:19:35.940 I always have to tell people I have three positions.

01:19:38.280 One position always outranks the other.

01:19:40.880 And that's my Christian perspective from my faith position.

01:19:43.540 You've got the American perspective.

01:19:46.460 And then you've got the military perspective.

01:19:48.800 From a military perspective, don't ask, don't tell was repealed while I was serving in the army.

01:19:54.380 Um, in fact, the only don't ask, don't tell now is whether you're a Republican or a Democrat.

01:19:59.840 But, but, but either way, uh, I, if, if, if someone's sexuality or their religion, I don't care if you're willing to go through the same things that I'm willing to go through.

01:20:10.280 And especially somebody like Rob O'Neill, I mean, I did nothing compared to Rob.

01:20:14.720 I, you know, I mean, literally shot Bin Laden, but either way, if you're willing to do that and pick up a gun and run towards the war, more power to you.

01:20:22.620 Like I said, when, when I joined the army, you weren't black, white, gay, straight, Christian, Muslim, nothing.

01:20:28.700 You, you were green.

01:20:29.820 That's what you were.

01:20:30.660 And you keep all that stuff to yourself.

01:20:32.620 Now this Joshua Kelly guy, Megan, and you might find this interesting.

01:20:36.400 I was still in the army when all of this, uh, you know, speaking my mind about conservative values and virality on the internet and all this stuff kind of started.

01:20:46.940 And my chain of command actually had to come to me and say, Hey, if you're going to talk about this stuff, you can't be in uniform when you do it.

01:20:53.880 Okay, cool.

01:20:54.580 But then things started getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

01:20:57.360 And then the next thing I know, the Sergeant major of the army is calling down, going, who is this Graham Allen guy?

01:21:03.060 He can't do both of these things.

01:21:05.060 Now my ETS was coming up, but I had to make a choice.

01:21:08.140 Am I going to speak about my personal opinions, my personal values, and what I think is wrong with the country?

01:21:13.620 Or am I going to continue to shut my mouth, put the uniform on and serve the country?

01:21:17.640 Because that's part of it.

01:21:19.120 What's interesting to me now is that the military, the Navy is now doing the exact opposite of that.

01:21:25.060 They're going to these far left, less than 1% of the population to go out and flaunt their sexual orientations out to less than 1% to join the less than 1%.

01:21:35.880 It's hypocrisy.

01:21:37.540 I think it's weakening our military because, again, I say we're not going after the best and brightest.

01:21:42.060 We're going after the wokest.

01:21:43.960 And that leads to nothing.

01:21:45.380 And I do believe it when I say our enemies are laughing at us.

01:21:48.940 Newsweek wanted a quote, and my quote is always the same.

01:21:51.680 I meant what I said, and I'm not sorry.

01:21:54.600 No, you shouldn't be.

01:21:56.240 And this isn't even, as far as I can tell, a sexual orientation thing.

01:22:01.180 This is a gender confusion thing.

01:22:03.660 I don't know what this guy's sexual orientation is.

01:22:06.040 I don't need to know.

01:22:07.120 But I said earlier, I kind of missed the don't ask, don't tell approach.

01:22:09.780 I don't want to know if this guy's a drag queen in his spare time.

01:22:13.600 I don't want to take part in it, and I certainly don't want the Navy fronting it in an effort to attract more guys just like him.

01:22:20.900 I'm sorry, but there is an unusually high percentage of people in the trans community who are suffering from some very disturbed thinking and issues.

01:22:30.240 And that's not the kind of people we want to recruit and give guns to.

01:22:35.180 That's my own belief.

01:22:36.440 I'm sorry, but I do think that there should be a certain level of screening for people like Joshua before we hand them a gun.

01:22:44.040 Yeah, absolutely.

01:22:45.580 And again, I've been out since 2016.

01:22:47.860 So about the time this guy got in, I was getting out.

01:22:51.080 But back when I was recruiting, like I said, I have a very in-depth knowledge of this process.

01:22:56.360 If you were on Ritalin as a child up until a certain age, you were not qualified and you were disqualified to join the military.

01:23:04.560 And now we're actively going after people, as you said yourself.

01:23:08.300 A lot of the people in the transgender community, in the LGBTQ community, I believe that Joshua Kelly, I could be wrong, identifies as non-binary.

01:23:17.480 Fact check me on that.

01:23:18.620 I think that's correct.

01:23:19.840 When did all of this stuff change?

01:23:23.420 When did it used to be Ritalin?

01:23:25.860 You know, a lot of kids, you know, I think a lot of parents overuse that, but that's another conversation for another day.

01:23:31.140 But a lot of kids grow out of that.

01:23:32.880 A lot of kids have asthma when they're young and grow out of that when they get older.

01:23:36.620 If you had that when I was recruiting, guess what?

01:23:39.160 You couldn't get in.

01:23:40.220 And now we're actively going after people that in the trans community, the LGBTQ community, there's depression rampant, there's anxiety rampant.

01:23:47.920 And obviously, there's a lot of medical things that go on that these people have to use and continue to take, etc.

01:23:54.040 It doesn't make any sense to me.

01:23:56.460 And you cannot explain to me how this effort is making our military a meaner, leaner fighting force.

01:24:04.300 Mm-hmm.

01:24:05.580 The Navy missed its recruiting goals.

01:24:09.000 They're expecting to miss them by 6,000.

01:24:12.480 In 2022, they met their active duty goal by draining the delayed entry program.

01:24:17.620 So they no longer have that financial accounting trick or that accounting trick to save themselves.

01:24:23.300 And this seems to be the solution.

01:24:25.440 I was saying earlier, you know, tell me, Graham, but I feel like they're totally misunderstanding

01:24:30.560 why they're having trouble recruiting the next generation of great recruits.

01:24:35.980 This is not the answer.

01:24:38.220 No.

01:24:38.620 No, it's not.

01:24:39.500 I mean, Megan, honestly, it's a much deeper issue.

01:24:43.800 People have lost, especially the younger generation.

01:24:47.540 My generation, I'm the old guy now.

01:24:49.700 Like, I did my time.

01:24:51.300 I got out.

01:24:52.800 And, you know, it's time for the new generation to come in.

01:24:55.360 The love of country, the idea of being bigger than yourself, the idea of fighting for something

01:25:03.000 and standing for something bigger than yourself, we don't have that anymore.

01:25:08.480 And I know that's a broad statement, and everybody's going to be like, oh, well, you can't say that

01:25:12.080 because not everyone.

01:25:13.200 I can say the vast majority of what I'm seeing coming up, the love of country is not there.

01:25:18.920 We were having that issue back when I was recruiting.

01:25:22.100 I can't imagine how difficult it is now.

01:25:24.540 And so you're having to use every smoke and mirror tactic that you can to try to get people

01:25:30.060 in a pair of boots when they actually don't even really want to be there, or they don't

01:25:34.480 really know why they're there.

01:25:36.380 At the end of the day, why did you join the military?

01:25:39.220 Did you join the military because you thought it'd be a cool experience?

01:25:41.900 Did you join the military because you come from a small town and you need to get out?

01:25:45.960 Did you join the military because college isn't for you?

01:25:47.960 Or did you join the military because you love this country and you believe that there is

01:25:52.240 a piece of you that needs to pay your due for the rights and the freedoms that this country

01:25:58.760 grants to you?

01:26:00.980 Nobody's saying that anymore.

01:26:02.180 And so that's the issue that's actually going on is pride in country pushing, pushing the

01:26:08.260 actual what it is to want to be, in my case, a soldier or a sailor or an airman or a Marine

01:26:15.060 or even the Space Force.

01:26:16.480 Now, we've lost all sense of pride of what it means to be an American.

01:26:22.540 Yeah.

01:26:22.740 I feel like this guy, instead of watching recruiting videos like the one we played coming into

01:26:26.820 this segment, was watching people like this, where now truth has become stranger than fiction.

01:26:33.100 May I remind you of the village people?

01:26:35.440 Oh, God.

01:26:57.960 Come on, join your fellow man in the Navy.

01:27:01.540 Come on, people, let me make a stand in the Navy.

01:27:05.140 In the Navy.

01:27:05.780 In the Navy.

01:27:11.640 They want you.

01:27:12.840 They want you.

01:27:13.700 They want you as a new recruit.

01:27:16.360 Yep, that's brutal.

01:27:17.820 He thought it was an actual invitation.

01:27:19.540 Well, but now those people would be like in charge of whole divisions of the Army and

01:27:27.060 things like that.

01:27:27.860 It wouldn't even be a goof anymore.

01:27:30.160 Right.

01:27:30.640 I mean, the thing is, as you point out, it's strange to hear Josh and see Josh and understand

01:27:36.780 that this is one of our fighting forces, but it's the Navy's fault.

01:27:41.280 It's the Navy's fault for elevating this guy.

01:27:43.960 And I played this earlier, but I'd love to get your reaction.

01:27:47.000 This guy seems very soft to me.

01:27:48.760 I know gay men who are tough.

01:27:50.640 They're tough as nails, and I'd be happy to be defended by them.

01:27:53.700 I've never met a trans soldier, so I don't know what that's all about.

01:27:56.800 But this guy seems a little soft to be out there with a rifle fighting down the Russians

01:28:01.240 or the Chinese or whoever we're going to have to fight next.

01:28:03.520 Here he is talking about how important it was when his commanding officer came to him

01:28:06.960 about his pronouns.

01:28:08.700 Yeah.

01:28:09.240 It might be trivial or small in some things, but for me, it's huge.

01:28:12.580 I think it's very important for acceptance and inclusion for the service.

01:28:15.660 We talk about our experiences, and this is an experience that I have literally today

01:28:19.120 with the CMC I never met.

01:28:21.140 CMC is a command master chief.

01:28:22.360 For those who don't know, they're the highest enlisted when it comes to making decisions.

01:28:27.500 And in the service, your words matter.

01:28:29.340 Words matter, especially when it comes to higher leadership, people we look up to.

01:28:31.960 And what they did is they just simply asked me what my pronouns were in a simple conversation,

01:28:36.420 not right away.

01:28:37.620 They just like, we're just talking business.

01:28:39.320 And then finally, we got into just some small talk and they asked me what my pronouns were.

01:28:44.220 And I thought it was incredible to see that inclusion and change.

01:28:47.520 Oh, my God.

01:28:48.280 I think he's wearing lipstick in that clip.

01:28:49.820 I have no words.

01:28:55.680 You know, this isn't mine, but I've heard this said multiple times.

01:29:00.100 You already have pronouns when you join the military.

01:29:03.300 It's private, specialist, sergeant, sergeant first class.

01:29:08.080 My pronoun was a staff sergeant.

01:29:09.940 That was my pronoun.

01:29:10.720 You don't need pronouns.

01:29:12.280 Like, who cares?

01:29:14.200 And like you said, manly men and things like this.

01:29:16.880 I was just a normal person in the Army.

01:29:19.140 I was the other 99%.

01:29:20.680 I even said that in my book that, you know, not your average war story, because I wasn't

01:29:25.540 a SEAL Team 6 guy like Rob who shot Osama bin Laden in the face.

01:29:31.500 I've been around these giants of men in the service.

01:29:36.960 And you know what they don't care about?

01:29:38.480 They could care less what your pronouns are.

01:29:40.820 They care about do they trust you next to them in battle?

01:29:45.040 That's what they care about.

01:29:45.960 No, no one cares.

01:29:48.720 You're going to get me on a tangent here.

01:29:50.420 No sane adult actually believes any of this stuff anyway.

01:29:53.940 I heard your segment.

01:29:55.060 There's no such thing as non-binary.

01:29:57.280 What's that?

01:29:58.320 There's no such thing as non-binary.

01:30:00.200 Keep going.

01:30:00.700 Correct.

01:30:01.140 Yes.

01:30:01.420 I heard your segment where you said at first you were willing to, you know, you know,

01:30:05.440 go along with the pronouns and all this stuff.

01:30:08.620 But then you realize it was this slippery slope and they're just going to keep, keep chipping

01:30:12.680 away and chipping away and chipping away.

01:30:14.240 I don't believe that sane individuals actually think that if you're, you're a man, you can

01:30:18.660 be a woman.

01:30:19.220 And if you're a woman, you can be a man.

01:30:20.780 No sane person actually believes that as Matt Walsh would say, uh, you, you're just saying

01:30:26.100 those things to like, get along with your day faster and get out of the conversation because

01:30:31.180 outside of the military, not only the military, but in America in general, we have become

01:30:35.840 weak people that no longer want to stand for truth, even if it causes adversity and, and,

01:30:42.280 and, and to, to be uncanceable, to, to not let their vitriol response come at you.

01:30:49.240 I think it's funny that Josh threw homophobic and transphobic at me and all these things

01:30:55.420 like, like, like those things are going to, you know, hurt me when, when that's not the

01:31:00.140 truth at all.

01:31:01.060 They always want to attack Christian faith and all of the above.

01:31:04.380 I've said this once.

01:31:05.520 I've said it again.

01:31:06.340 If you're gay, God loves you.

01:31:07.760 He wants to have a relationship with you.

01:31:09.160 If you're trans, God loves you.

01:31:10.320 He wants to have a relationship with you.

01:31:11.480 However, it's easy to accept the savior part of Jesus.

01:31:17.400 That's easy.

01:31:18.260 What's hard is to accept the Lord part of Jesus.

01:31:21.560 And, and they always want to attack my faith.

01:31:23.660 And I would say this, that, that, that, that Jesus loves you.

01:31:26.700 He wants to have a relationship with you.

01:31:28.480 But if you accept Jesus into your heart, that comes with the Lord part.

01:31:33.020 And Jesus has laid out some pretty clear things about marriage, sexuality, how many genders

01:31:38.140 there are, et cetera.

01:31:39.440 And so, uh, I, I don't get offended by those things.

01:31:43.620 Uh, I meant it when I said, uh, I'm not sorry.

01:31:46.940 I'm not sorry for what I said.

01:31:48.260 I love this country.

01:31:49.800 I don't like the direction this country is going down and I'm going to continue to be louder

01:31:55.120 and louder and louder because the crazy side is being as loud as they want.

01:32:00.500 And it's the side that loves America.

01:32:03.540 Our side hasn't been fighting.

01:32:04.820 The same people have been quiet.

01:32:06.300 Let me end it by this.

01:32:07.320 I'd love to get your, your thoughts on Rob's tweet.

01:32:09.440 We mentioned Rob O'Neill, friend of yours.

01:32:10.980 And I deeply admire the guy he wrote in response to this.

01:32:15.120 All right.

01:32:15.960 The U S Navy is now using an enlisted sailor drag queen as a recruiter.

01:32:20.420 I'm done.

01:32:21.700 China is going to destroy us.

01:32:23.480 You got this Navy.

01:32:24.760 I can't believe I fought for this bullshit.

01:32:27.660 I feel his anger.

01:32:29.180 He's angry about what they're doing.

01:32:31.680 Do you feel the same?

01:32:33.280 What do you think?

01:32:33.800 I think, I think after you saw the debacle that was Joe Biden with Afghanistan and everything,

01:32:40.400 you know, I, I know many service men and women.

01:32:44.940 I've actually had a couple of friends in the past year alone take their life from, from,

01:32:50.520 from suicide.

01:32:51.080 And I think you have a lot of people that are angry.

01:32:54.420 I think you have a lot of people that are sitting here going, why in the world did we

01:32:59.420 put ourselves through all of that?

01:33:01.600 And, and like I said, I was just a normal guy, Rob O'Neill seal team six.

01:33:05.700 I mean, the things that man went through, I'm sure he's frustrated.

01:33:09.540 I'm frustrated.

01:33:10.460 And I didn't do a 1% of what he did.

01:33:14.520 What was it all for, for, for our military?

01:33:17.020 China is teaching their kids how to assemble weapons and how to stab people in the neck with

01:33:21.860 a fork or a toothbrush.

01:33:23.180 And we're over here trying to recruit people and say that you can be as, as trans as you

01:33:28.380 want to be, or as drag as you want to be.

01:33:30.620 That's not the purpose of the military.

01:33:32.340 The purpose of the military is to defend America and we need warriors to be able to

01:33:38.340 do that.

01:33:39.380 Yes.

01:33:39.780 We need tough as nails, men and women, but not super soft, tear filled, sorry for themselves,

01:33:47.120 lipstick wearing guys.

01:33:48.300 I'm sorry.

01:33:49.000 I, I draw the line.

01:33:50.420 I've just, I like you have had it with the nonsense, Graham, and it's wonderful and liberating

01:33:55.280 to have found a voice on it.

01:33:57.380 Thank you for being there and thanks for speaking out and thank you for your service, Graham Allen.

01:34:01.280 Thanks for having me.

01:34:03.380 All the best.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 04, 2023

Navy's Drag Queen Recruiter, and Fox News' Post-Tucker Ratings, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts and Graham Allen ｜ Ep. 543

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