The Megyn Kelly Show - NBC's Failed Abortion Fact-Check, and Biden's Gold Star Family Betrayal, with Rich Lowry and Michael Brendan Dougherty ｜ Ep. 603

00:00:00.000 Beat, beat, beatboxing actually has hidden health benefits.

00:00:04.340 It can help strengthen and protect your voice from injury.

00:00:08.900 See healthy living differently with Manulife.

00:00:11.160 Visit manulife.ca slash health.

00:00:14.420 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:17.500 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:26.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:28.420 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:30.320 The New York Times exposing a new person who helped smear Governor Andrew Cuomo's accusers.

00:00:37.940 And once again, it's all in the family.

00:00:41.460 And NBC News apparently is not aware of the abortion laws in America,

00:00:46.200 nor the Democrats' position on abortion laws,

00:00:49.240 as they try and fail to catch Governor Ron DeSantis in a lie.

00:00:53.160 This was such a face plant. We'll show it to you.

00:00:55.560 Also, it is NR Day here at the show.

00:00:57.620 We are glad to have Rich Lowry and MBD here with us, Michael Brendan Doherty.

00:01:03.120 You can find their great content over on National Review and do yourself a favor,

00:01:07.400 become an NR Plus member to get even more content with fewer, well, really basically no ads.

00:01:14.020 It's worth your time and listen to the editors as well, because it's a great podcast.

00:01:18.180 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:01:20.080 Hey, thanks for having us.

00:01:21.620 Great to be here.

00:01:22.200 The last time we were together, we were wearing Colonial costumes and eating Jell-O shots.

00:01:28.860 Is it drinking a Jell-O shot?

00:01:30.760 Consuming Jell-O shots that were red, white and blue on July 4th.

00:01:34.440 Yeah, Colonial outfits on a hot day in July.

00:01:37.620 They lose their charm after about 15 minutes or so.

00:01:40.320 A lot of sweating was involved, but it was fantastic.

00:01:43.160 Only a true patriot would do it, Rich.

00:01:44.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:48.300 Well, MBD, one of the most memorable things about that day, besides the marching band,

00:01:52.800 was MBD's conclusion to the Declaration of Independence, bringing it like an old school.

00:01:58.440 He put his heart into it.

00:02:00.100 That was not half-assed MBD.

00:02:02.680 You asked for big.

00:02:04.720 I did.

00:02:05.620 I did.

00:02:06.440 And you took the instruction well.

00:02:09.020 Okay, so speaking of big, Big Exchange by Ron DeSantis over on NBC,

00:02:12.860 and good for him for getting out there and doing more media.

00:02:16.240 I mean, that was my impression when he sat down with me, is he's actually quite good at this.

00:02:20.600 There's nothing to be afraid of.

00:02:21.660 He should get out there more.

00:02:23.040 So he has this exchange with Dasha Burns, who people may remember that name.

00:02:28.060 She was the one at NBC who had the temerity to report that John Fetterman was not well off cam,

00:02:34.040 and then all the left rained down on her, and then she spent the next six months trying to make it up to them.

00:02:39.520 So now she sits down with Ron DeSantis and tries to do a real-time fact check of something he said on abortion.

00:02:48.600 The shorter clip is playing in some circles.

00:02:51.560 I'm going to play the longer clip.

00:02:52.660 He did push back on her in the moment, and after the interview, his team is pushing back even harder.

00:02:58.220 But check this exchange out.

00:03:00.620 It's SOT 7, which aired in part on NBC Today Show yesterday, and then MSNBC.

00:03:09.400 No, no, I want—no, I don't want six.

00:03:13.060 I'm arguing a Steve Krakow.

00:03:14.220 Oh, whatever.

00:03:14.780 My team's overruling me.

00:03:16.280 Just play the long exchange.

00:03:17.560 I would not allow what a lot of the left wants to do, which is to override pro-life protections throughout the country

00:03:26.980 all the way up, really, until the moment of birth in some instances, which I think is infanticide.

00:03:32.740 Well, actually, I've got to push back on you on that because that's a misrepresentation of what's happening.

00:03:38.440 I mean, that 1.3 percent of abortions happen at 21 weeks or higher.

00:03:44.500 There are no evidence of Democrats pushing for abortions up until—

00:03:48.220 But their view is, is that all the way up into that, yet there should not be any legal protections.

00:03:53.680 There is no indication of Democrats pushing for that.

00:03:58.060 No indication of any Democrats pushing for that.

00:04:01.280 So Team DeSantis, after the fact, comes out with the following montage proving that there are many Democrats pushing for that.

00:04:09.880 Here's the example, SOT 8.

00:04:11.520 Do you support any restrictions on abortion?

00:04:15.900 I don't.

00:04:16.780 I've always believed—

00:04:17.240 Even in the third trimester?

00:04:18.740 Do you think there should be any limitation on abortions?

00:04:22.160 No, I do not.

00:04:23.760 Where it's obvious that a woman is about to give birth, she has physical signs that she is about to give a birth, 0.89

00:04:30.400 would that still be a point at which she could request an abortion if she was so certified? 1.00

00:04:34.780 My bill would allow that, yes.

00:04:36.040 Do you believe that a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of birth? 0.69

00:04:41.300 Look, I think that that happens very, very rarely.

00:04:44.240 But at the end of the day, I believe that the decision over abortion belongs to a woman and a physician.

00:04:52.880 My question was about any limits to abortion at any point.

00:04:57.300 You know, late term, anything?

00:04:59.420 You gotta leave it up to the woman. 1.00

00:05:01.800 Up until now, my understanding is there wasn't a limit on when in a pregnancy a woman could receive an abortion.

00:05:09.080 Have you set any limit on it?

00:05:10.380 There are no limits.

00:05:12.120 No limits.

00:05:13.040 No limits, Rich.

00:05:14.380 And yet, Dasha Burns, on behalf of NBC News—and let me tell you, having worked there,

00:05:18.960 they pour over your questions with a fine-toothed comb.

00:05:22.020 But this was her trying to do a live fact check, and it was an utter fail.

00:05:25.900 What do you make of it?

00:05:26.580 Yes, first of all, just on a pure tactical level, this shows why Ron DeSantis needed to do, needs to do,

00:05:32.900 needed to do interviews with legacy, mainstream, corporate, whatever you want to call it, media,

00:05:38.100 because we're talking about this hit in a way we wouldn't if it was just another friendly segment on Fox News,

00:05:44.980 because there was conflict, and we cover conflict.

00:05:47.260 And he performed well, which is good.

00:05:49.300 But so on the merits of it, Dasha Burns, as far as I know, the only—she only came on my radar screen on the incident.

00:05:56.000 You mentioned that we talked a little bit on the show, the exchange with Eric Fedman,

00:06:00.260 or her report afterwards that—sorry, that Senator—now Senator Fedman—yeah, sorry,

00:06:06.040 didn't fully understand what she was saying during the idle talk before and after the interview,

00:06:12.620 and the world came crashing down on her head.

00:06:15.700 As far as I know, she's a good reporter and a well-informed person, but it just goes to this massive ideological blind spot,

00:06:24.660 a blind spot that everyone on the left to center has on abortion,

00:06:28.740 where it just doesn't compute that this is the position of a lot of Democrats.

00:06:34.380 And there's also—the Democrats are hiding it, right?

00:06:36.800 You ask them this question.

00:06:38.420 They're not often asked it, but they sometimes are asked it.

00:06:40.720 Many of them will tell you, no, we don't support any restrictions on abortion through the entirety of the nine months.

00:06:47.920 And since that is Democratic fanaticism and extremism on abortion,

00:06:52.800 it's just not something that they can fully integrate into their worldview.

00:06:59.500 So in real time, she's like, no, you must be lying. 0.86

00:07:01.620 No Democrat would be that crazy to support that position.

00:07:05.680 They do.

00:07:06.240 It's like, just take a little time to look into it, and you'll see it's very true. 0.99

00:07:10.600 And as you say, they're on the record on camera saying it's true.

00:07:13.060 And these are not unknown Democrats.

00:07:15.620 You know, the Brett Barron, Tim Ryan, he was really making a go of it in Ohio in his run for Senate.

00:07:22.900 Bernie Sanders on—the New York City mayor, Eric Adams, was in there.

00:07:26.480 We could go down the list.

00:07:27.400 And BD, you guys at NBC have—I mean, NBC, at National Review have a post today, which people should check out.

00:07:34.500 It was dated yesterday, I think, called NBC's Faulty Abortion Fact Check, pointing out,

00:07:38.780 OK, so Dasha Burns wants people to know that 1.3 percent of abortions happen at 21 weeks or later. 0.58

00:07:43.920 So that 1.3 percent of 930,000 total abortions in the U.S. equals 12,000 babies who were—you know,

00:07:54.300 in which the pregnancies were terminated at 21 weeks or later, when babies are capable of feeling pain

00:08:00.980 and sometimes capable of surviving outside the womb.

00:08:04.860 And for all those sitting at home thinking, oh, that's only severely deformed babies who would have no chance of living outside the womb,

00:08:10.780 that's not true either.

00:08:13.300 Right. Right. I mean, we have the data from the Guttmacher Institute and from Planned Parenthood themselves

00:08:20.660 basically saying that these are abortions of choice, most of them even in the very late term.

00:08:26.900 There are very few that are caused by these medical conditions, thank God.

00:08:31.620 And the Democrats are currently campaigning to keep them legal.

00:08:35.260 I mean, they're currently campaigning in states like Ohio for constitutional amendments

00:08:39.460 that don't say in any explicit way we're authorizing or we're making a late term abortion a constitutional right

00:08:47.900 with all of the, you know, gross medical descriptions that could go with it.

00:08:52.680 They're just hiding it in the euphemism of rights language and privacy language.

00:08:59.360 And it's because they don't want to talk about the details of this.

00:09:03.160 They don't want to talk about the actual numbers.

00:09:05.220 And they don't want to talk about the success of pro-life laws.

00:09:08.600 I mean, we've seen stories throughout the past couple of months from the New York Times and others

00:09:14.300 profiling young families who could not get an abortion in, say, Texas or Florida after a certain number of weeks.

00:09:23.340 They went and had the child.

00:09:25.040 And now, you know, the father and mother got married.

00:09:28.600 The father enrolled in the army and is earning more money now than he was when the two were just dating.

00:09:33.900 And they're actually forming families.

00:09:36.260 And the New York Times is portraying this as some kind of disaster when, in fact, it's actually a kind of heartwarming story.

00:09:42.600 And that's happening for scores of thousands of babies that have been saved by these pro-life laws that have passed since Roe was overturned.

00:09:51.480 And Democrats are campaigning to reverse that, to go back to Roe state by state through these constitutional amendments.

00:09:58.020 And they're doing it right now.

00:09:59.600 So there's no excuse for NBC to screw this up.

00:10:02.600 I mean, they should know what Democrats' position is.

00:10:05.960 They've made it abundantly clear.

00:10:08.480 It's ideological bias.

00:10:10.240 Here's a little bit of the longer exchange.

00:10:14.060 OK, we played you the short clip that they played on the Today Show of that interview between Dasha Burns and Ron DeSantis.

00:10:20.060 It went on.

00:10:21.380 He did he did come back on her just a bit.

00:10:24.920 I'm I'm what are you when my producers are back in my head, in my ear.

00:10:30.140 No.

00:10:31.960 Debbie, be quiet. 1.00

00:10:34.740 Canadian Debbie took a week off and now she's throwing me off. 1.00

00:10:37.740 SOT 7 is the longer exchange.

00:10:40.920 Are they done it in California?

00:10:42.680 They've done it in other states.

00:10:44.080 They have not instituted that policy.

00:10:46.180 Yeah, they have.

00:10:46.840 Yeah, they have.

00:10:47.420 They basically will say that, you know, if there's some type of like it, they'll use like different ways to really have a have a wide exception for 1.3 percent.

00:10:56.880 And in those circumstances are typically extremely emotional decisions.

00:11:00.040 No, I mean, I don't say that that's the norm in terms of this.

00:11:03.700 But I do think that the left in this country has moved on.

00:11:08.460 OK, so here's the reason I play it.

00:11:11.080 He did fine.

00:11:12.480 He did push back.

00:11:13.940 But he can do better and he should do better.

00:11:16.280 He needs to do better.

00:11:17.500 He's the underdog to be charitable about it.

00:11:21.380 And he needs the big moment, Rich.

00:11:23.540 He needs the in your face.

00:11:26.080 This is what you Democrats do.

00:11:28.620 This is what the media does.

00:11:30.020 They take this hot button issue and they mislead on it.

00:11:33.320 By the way, do you not care about the 12000 babies?

00:11:36.680 You don't think that a nine month baby in the womb has the right to be born. 0.83

00:11:41.060 That's up to the mother. 0.85

00:11:41.880 Dasha, right?

00:11:43.060 Like, I'm not sure because he we know he's capable of it.

00:11:46.480 Yeah.

00:11:46.960 I'm not sure why he's not swinging for the fences here and and in other exchanges.

00:11:51.980 Yeah.

00:11:52.440 So I would say a couple of things.

00:11:53.480 I was talking to someone who knows him well the other day after the the Lincoln dinner

00:11:58.560 in Des Moines where all the candidates spoke and then they had receptions afterwards.

00:12:02.120 And the DeSantis team shared this clip from reception where he was drinking a Coors Light,

00:12:07.980 not a Bud Light, of course, Coors Light.

00:12:10.260 And he was toasting with some people.

00:12:12.240 And it just felt so unnatural and so forth.

00:12:15.600 And I was just remarking on this to someone.

00:12:18.200 He's like, yeah, he's just not good in those settings where he's really good,

00:12:21.640 actually, is being combative with reporters.

00:12:24.940 So that's another reason they should get him in these sort of settings.

00:12:28.120 Now, I agree with you.

00:12:29.000 He could obviously use a big moment, but you have to be careful trying to to force.

00:12:34.200 Right.

00:12:34.800 And the thing is, if he's sorry, I'm going to use a sports analogy, Megan.

00:12:38.680 If you're out there, you're getting the at bats, you know, you're getting singles and doubles.

00:12:43.080 Maybe this was a double.

00:12:44.560 You're not necessarily swinging for the fences because sometimes that can backfire on you.

00:12:49.100 Eventually, you're going to have probably the kind of moment you're you're talking about.

00:12:54.180 So I would say the polls are horrible right now for DeSantis, for everyone else in the field besides Trump.

00:13:00.440 But I do think the last couple of weeks, you can see how DeSantis could learn and could improve and maybe is on the campaign trail.

00:13:09.520 But obviously, something needs to happen to Trump first.

00:13:12.700 And that is nowhere in evidence.

00:13:15.520 Well, we'll get to Trump in one second.

00:13:16.440 But I'll I'll suggest something else without evidence for the record, MBD.

00:13:20.480 And that is he's across from a young woman.

00:13:23.520 She's kind of soft spoken.

00:13:25.500 You know, as a lawyer, we always used to do used to be taught you have to match the energy of the witness. 0.98

00:13:30.300 If you go in there and you're the killer and the witness is soft spoken, even if he's a lying jerk, the jury could hold it against you if you're meaner than the witness seems. 0.98

00:13:40.320 But having said all that. 0.99

00:13:43.580 All of Ron DeSantis is base enters that exchange, hating NBC and the reporter.

00:13:47.900 So I think you can take a little bit more of a risk.

00:13:52.280 You know, this isn't just a woman. 1.00

00:13:53.540 This is a reporter who is misleading on an issue that happens to be near and dear to the vast majority of the Republican base.

00:14:00.300 Right. And he can go he can even do a little verbal reframing of the exchange.

00:14:07.900 Right. He can say, I just want to be clear for all your viewers that this is wrong.

00:14:13.040 Right. That I'm not he can he doesn't have to frame it as a direct attack on her or he can reframe it and say, like, this is what the media does rather than than having a direct confrontation with the person.

00:14:24.180 And and he should he should learn, too, from Donald Trump's success in 2016.

00:14:31.780 Part of it was the bond he made with values voters in the Republican coalition, because he was the first Republican candidate on stage when asked about abortion to describe it graphically and express genuine physical disgust with the act itself.

00:14:51.500 And that is what got the attention of Leonard Leo at the Federalist Society and so many others and got him into a position where he could make this pledge about judges that helped cement his candidacy.

00:15:04.440 Right. That he had already won over a lot of moderate Republicans who wanted a businessman.

00:15:09.220 And then he was able to speak to social conservatives about abortion in a way they've always wanted to be spoken to about it by their Republican candidates.

00:15:17.520 And Ron DeSantis can still do that. And he can do that as someone who just signed a law that a lot of pro-lifers in Florida wanted to see sign.

00:15:26.940 And he signed it in the in the face of basically the most pro-choice red state in the country.

00:15:32.820 So he's shown political courage.

00:15:35.400 He's he should show in these in these interviews the same moral courage that he's shown politically.

00:15:40.820 And and, yeah, I think he'll benefit tremendously from that.

00:15:44.800 Then there's the matter of Donald Trump.

00:15:46.940 Rich, you mentioned the polls and there's been no sign of Trump weakening at all.

00:15:53.680 So DeSantis, to me, seemed to shift slightly in his messaging on Trump.

00:15:58.300 And, you know, everybody's been wondering, how do you get around the gorilla, as I call him?

00:16:02.380 How do you get around the gorilla? He's 40 pounds, 40 pounds, 40 points ahead of you.

00:16:06.120 Maybe 40 pounds ahead, too. And he's immovable.

00:16:09.820 You know, he's not wrong that every indictment makes him stronger.

00:16:13.080 You know, he's just been he's just been immovable in those polls.

00:16:16.440 So DeSantis, I thought, landed the best answer he's landed so far when asked about the setup at this New Hampshire town hall was what are you going to do about the nicknames that he calls you?

00:16:27.800 But he could have taken that anywhere. Right. That could have gone anywhere.

00:16:30.880 And he's tried to answer that question about the nicknames a number of different ways.

00:16:34.540 You call me whatever you want. As long as you call me winner, that one's not going to work anymore because he's 40 points behind.

00:16:40.400 You know, it's petty, whatever. But look, look what he did here.

00:16:43.720 And you tell me whether you think this is going to make a difference.

00:16:48.320 So here's the thing. These insults are so phony.

00:16:52.820 These insults are juvenile. That is not the way a great nation should be conducting itself.

00:16:57.960 That is not the way the president of the United States should be conducting himself.

00:17:02.240 And, you know, one of the things I think about the former president and I appreciate he did do a lot of great things.

00:17:07.300 And I was a big supporter. But he's running in 2024 on the things that he promised to do in 2016 and didn't do.

00:17:15.020 He said he was going to drain the swamp. He did not drain the swamp. Not even close.

00:17:19.540 We ended his presidency with Anthony Fauci running the country.

00:17:23.100 You couldn't even fire Fauci. And so now you're going to go drain the swamp.

00:17:27.060 Give me a break. He said Mexico was going to pay for the border wall.

00:17:30.000 Do you see the border secured? I see people coming in infinitum.

00:17:35.100 He said that he was going to lock Hillary up, just like he's now saying he's going to do a special counsel for Biden two weeks after the election.

00:17:42.660 And 20. I forget about it. Don't worry about it.

00:17:44.620 And then he actually said he was going to eliminate the national debt.

00:17:47.800 He added eight trillion dollars to the debt.

00:17:50.820 We've paid down our debt in Florida.

00:17:52.700 Pretty good, Rich.

00:17:57.320 Yeah, I think it was cogent. It was delivered with conviction.

00:18:01.800 He's still, you know, he's got this straddle, right?

00:18:04.280 He needs to make an anti-Trump case where he can't sound like Chris Christie.

00:18:07.900 It can't be a never Trump case.

00:18:09.480 It can't be a guy who has low character or is unsuited for the presidency.

00:18:12.480 It's his grace. We should never hear from him again.

00:18:14.580 He can't do that.

00:18:15.340 But he needs to make an anti-Trump case or he's never going to win.

00:18:18.380 So he does it basically on, you know, I support most of what he did, but he was ineffectual and he lost.

00:18:26.300 And we can't do that again.

00:18:27.720 So that's a good argument.

00:18:30.400 I imagine as we get closer to actual caucusing and voting, it'll become even harsher and more emphatic.

00:18:37.500 But the big problem he has is I think there's this argument about Trump all along and certainly after he lost in 2020.

00:18:45.560 What was Trumpism?

00:18:47.500 You know, was it mainly about issues, whether they're economic or cultural?

00:18:51.260 And there's a debate about that itself.

00:18:53.360 Or is it more about his persona?

00:18:55.880 And I think we're learning it's more about the personas.

00:18:59.780 It's not like the issues didn't matter.

00:19:00.880 They did, especially in the 2016 primary campaign and the 2016 general.

00:19:05.120 But you look at that New York Times poll a week or two ago had Trump way ahead, as most polls do, and it asked about candidate qualities.

00:19:13.760 And the two qualities that Trump was smashing DeSantis on, strong leader and fun, right?

00:19:21.280 And these just both go to actions Trump has that are almost impossible to replicate.

00:19:26.520 People associate him with strength because he plays by no one else's rules.

00:19:29.880 We see it in all these legal disputes.

00:19:31.280 All the lawyers are telling him, shut up, sir, don't criticize the prosecutor, sir, don't criticize the judge. 0.97

00:19:37.280 And he's like, to hell with that. 0.99

00:19:38.760 You're coming after me.

00:19:39.840 And he said this explicitly in a post the other day, right?

00:19:42.140 You're coming after me.

00:19:43.080 I'm coming after you twice as hard.

00:19:45.380 That's strong.

00:19:46.680 And then while he's doing this, he's entertaining.

00:19:48.940 So it's one thing to have leadership qualities and be boring.

00:19:52.680 It's another thing to be really interesting and not having leadership qualities or things that people associate with leadership qualities.

00:19:58.660 That's kind of the norm to have both, to have the strength and to be entertaining.

00:20:03.700 That's just really hard to match.

00:20:05.880 And if Trump just walks away with this without it ever becoming a competition, I think that'll be the reason why.

00:20:12.640 That's the thing, MBD.

00:20:13.580 The guys from the Ruthless program were laughing.

00:20:17.600 I don't know how many months ago after Trump sat down with Tucker.

00:20:21.040 Tucker was still on Fox.

00:20:22.280 And they talked about a meeting he had with the Chinese leader.

00:20:26.080 And Trump said, I just pulled it up just to remind myself he's talking about Xi and how he's a big leader and blah, blah, blah.

00:20:33.160 And then he says in this interview about Xi, he had an incredible.

00:20:38.100 I'm not allowed to say it because it's very impolite and very politically incorrect.

00:20:41.660 In fact, a beautiful female interpreter on the Ruthless program were like, that's the thing about Trump is like, you're like, oh, I'd like to meet with the Chinese leader. 0.91

00:20:53.460 And he's like, the translator was hot.

00:20:55.520 And most people are.

00:20:57.120 He makes you laugh.

00:20:58.720 And you're like, I like him.

00:21:00.360 He's entertaining.

00:21:01.760 That's something I would say in an exchange.

00:21:04.100 You know, a lot of guys are thinking like, I want to have a beer with this guy.

00:21:06.760 No, Trump doesn't drink.

00:21:07.520 But I want to sit down with him.

00:21:08.500 I want to, you know, I like the show.

00:21:11.160 I like somebody who's humorous and doesn't take himself or life too seriously.

00:21:15.580 And the more we get from the drama of his four years actually in office, which were exhausting, the less people remember that.

00:21:23.860 And they focus back on the show and the fun, as Rich said.

00:21:28.000 Yeah, and it's it's this is going to sound like a very juvenile comparison, but there is a way in which, like, Donald Trump is the Bugs Bunny figure.

00:21:37.240 And Ron DeSantis is the Daffy Duck, right?

00:21:39.860 Where Bugs Bunny always gets the funny insults, always expresses himself freely.

00:21:45.420 He does things that seem totally improbable that aren't going to work, like sticking his two fingers into the end of a shotgun.

00:21:52.460 And somehow it blasts back on the person firing it.

00:21:56.060 And then there's Daffy Duck, who's earnest, who's trying hard, who's plotting and planning and plotting.

00:22:02.580 And his beak gets spun around his head in the end of every clip.

00:22:07.780 And that's that's the problem every Republican candidate is going to have, is that Donald Trump is having a review day, right, for these sophisticated cultural references.

00:22:17.200 I appreciate this.

00:22:18.160 Thank you for taking it down to my level.

00:22:19.760 I get it.

00:22:20.360 I was a child in the 70s.

00:22:21.820 That's all we had to watch.

00:22:22.680 Well, exactly.

00:22:24.180 But Bugs Bunny has fun.

00:22:26.460 And he doesn't mind ogling a woman in front of you.

00:22:29.060 He doesn't mind making a joke at the expense of the people that are trying to shoot him or persecute him.

00:22:35.240 And he's just totally unflustered by it.

00:22:38.620 And that's the kind of strength Trump communicates.

00:22:41.420 And that's the strength that his his voters, what attracts them to Trump is he's the biggest personality.

00:22:48.640 He's the most forceful.

00:22:50.420 He's the most hated and the most willful.

00:22:53.580 And so they fantasize about putting all of that willfulness into the arena on their behalf.

00:23:01.860 Now, it doesn't always work out the way they want it to.

00:23:04.580 Right.

00:23:04.800 Like it doesn't always, you know, sometimes he's more Tasmanian devil.

00:23:09.360 Right.

00:23:09.620 He's just wrecking the joint.

00:23:11.460 But he they fantasize about that strength being put to work for them.

00:23:16.880 And then they look at DeSantis and it's like, OK, I like this guy.

00:23:20.060 I agree with him.

00:23:21.920 But he's just it's just politics as usual.

00:23:25.860 It's it seems too normal.

00:23:27.240 And they want someone that's really going to disrupt the system that they think is persecuting them.

00:23:33.680 So Donald Trump is still the choice.

00:23:36.640 And until someone knocks the the the cool and charisma off Donald Trump, I don't see how anyone else is going to win.

00:23:45.160 That's the thing.

00:23:46.400 So they look at I mean, a lot of people say, Rich, that the moment Trump stood behind Brett Kavanaugh was the moment they came home to the Republican Party, despite their doubts about Trump.

00:23:57.400 And they turned and they said that this is my guy.

00:24:00.580 I will support him.

00:24:01.540 The strength it took to stand behind him because it wasn't just the Dems, some Republicans, too, was like this guy's not worth it.

00:24:09.140 We can't put an accused rapist on the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:24:11.900 And I mean, it's true that most politicians would have folded.

00:24:17.800 You know, there's a lot of great talented justices or judges on the circuit courts of appeal you could choose from.

00:24:22.620 You did not have to go with Brett Kavanaugh, but he stood by him, even with the onslaught of all the pouring on, you know, allegations in the media and all the protests.

00:24:30.640 And so you do.

00:24:32.820 I think Republicans are worried anybody else might not do that.

00:24:35.940 Right. Like you do need somebody who's as strong as Trump, who can stand in the face of Jack Smith and Jack Smith and Fannie Willis and Alvin Bragg and, you know, Joe Biden and all the rest of it.

00:24:47.020 And just keep standing and just keep punching and just keep tweeting or truthing or what like he doesn't show any signs of, you know, falling.

00:24:55.600 He doesn't show any signs of fall.

00:24:57.100 So so it's like it's almost like he doesn't.

00:24:59.160 I know we're not talking policy right now with Trump.

00:25:01.780 We're not. We're talking about Jack Smith.

00:25:03.560 We're talking about you come for me. I'll come for you.

00:25:06.120 But the message is there every day.

00:25:08.780 I'm the strongest one here because they've they've tried every way they know to take me down and I'm still standing.

00:25:14.240 Yeah. So I was writing after the 2020 election when it just it's it's still kind of unfathomable when it when I really think about it, but that he's remained so strong despite losing a presidential election and going down this this whole rabbit hole.

00:25:27.000 It's just been terrible. And I was talking to a friend.

00:25:29.400 What what accounts for this?

00:25:30.760 What how do Republicans get in this place?

00:25:33.320 And he said to me something I think that's that was correct.

00:25:37.040 What he heard from from all his friends was this goes back to what we're talking about with Dasha Burns and how you think DeSantis should have pushed back stronger.

00:25:44.660 The 2012 foreign policy presidential debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama near the end.

00:25:51.280 They're talking about Benghazi. Mitt Romney is slamming Obama from Benghazi in a truthful and correct manner.

00:25:58.280 And Candy Crowley in retired CNN anchor. 0.99

00:26:01.760 She pops up. She's going to do the fact check in real time, which is not definitely not your role as a moderator of presidential debate and gets it wrong. 0.55

00:26:10.700 I forget whatever the detail is.

00:26:11.840 But did he call it a terrorist attack?

00:26:15.220 Yeah. So she gets it wrong. And then Romney just shuts up and looks like he's humiliated.

00:26:19.660 And he was right. And my my friend said, you know, after that, I just think Republicans realize they need an animal. 0.91

00:26:26.680 Right. They don't need a polite, respectable, responsible person. 1.00

00:26:30.920 They need an animal. And that's what they got.

00:26:34.500 And Trump. Now, there are major downsides to being an animal. 0.68

00:26:37.560 There are all sorts of them. But like the Kavanaugh thing is, I don't care what the other side says.

00:26:42.880 I don't care what lies they're telling. I don't care how many people they have swarming the Capitol.

00:26:46.880 No, I'm standing by this guy no matter what.

00:26:50.340 And there are various other key episodes in the Trump administration where you'd point to the same quality being important.

00:26:57.240 The problem is the downsides. And I think DeSantis actually is a stand up guy.

00:27:02.460 I think he does have political courage. I think he'd be a really good president.

00:27:07.180 But convincing people that you have that quality when you're wrestling with this proverbial 800 pound gorilla is really hard.

00:27:14.600 And just final thing on this NBD talk about, you know, knocking kind of the charisma and cool off Trump.

00:27:20.740 I think the only way you do it is by beating him somewhere.

00:27:22.840 You know, you beat him in Iowa. Maybe it does come off him.

00:27:25.420 But you guys, a circular thing, right? He's cool and charismatic until such time as you beat him.

00:27:30.700 But how are you going to beat him when he's still cool and charismatic?

00:27:33.180 Well, I mean, DeSantis could win Iowa. Remember, Ted Cruz won Iowa.

00:27:36.740 He did not win the nomination.

00:27:37.840 But the conventional wisdom developing in the Republican circles, at least the ones I read and listen to right now, is Trump's going to win the nomination.

00:27:45.060 He's going to lose the general because he's too alienating to independence, right leaning independence in states like Georgia, Arizona and so on.

00:27:54.600 Like all those swings in Michigan, Wisconsin.

00:27:58.900 I don't know, NBD. I understand that logic.

00:28:01.940 I get it. You know, I can use my intellect and see that argument through.

00:28:06.520 So Andy McCarthy, our mutual friend and your colleague, has been saying it.

00:28:10.840 But that New York Times poll showed them tied Trump and Biden tied, tied.

00:28:16.180 And Trump's thrice indicted, twice impeached, as the Democrats like to say.

00:28:20.800 They're tied. And, you know, the ties usually go to the Republican because the Republican voters don't always tell the pollsters how they're actually feeling.

00:28:29.080 So and Trump's been underestimated before.

00:28:31.840 I think Trump's stronger right now than he was in 2020.

00:28:34.400 He's stronger right now than he was in 2020.

00:28:37.120 He doesn't have COVID around his neck.

00:28:38.620 The country's not suffering like it was.

00:28:40.180 In fact, it's suffering in a different way that they're holding the Democrat accountable for.

00:28:43.480 Direction of the country is blamed on Joe Biden right now.

00:28:46.560 So how do we know?

00:28:48.420 Like how do what makes us really think he'll lose?

00:28:52.040 And that those voters in Wisconsin or Arizona could get behind Ron DeSantis, who's not John McCain.

00:28:59.880 He's not moderate. Like what makes us think this?

00:29:03.900 Right. Well, a lot of people say, oh, well, look at the record in in 2018 and 2022 in these midterm elections.

00:29:09.900 The congressional candidates that were associated with Trump all flamed out or the governor candidates.

00:29:17.120 They say this. And the thing is, Trump's coolness and charisma and reputation is not transferable to Carrie Lake or to Doug Mastriano in in Pennsylvania.

00:29:30.080 Right. Doug Mastriano does not have casinos and hotels and golf courses named after him all over the world and other luxury properties.

00:29:40.180 Right. Trump does.

00:29:41.660 So Trump turns out people and you see in some states like where there were moderate Republicans running and Trump was on the top of the ticket.

00:29:49.520 So someone like Susan Collins in Maine, she got her best ever result because she brought her voters and then all the Trump voters came out in Maine and voted for her to down ticket. 0.97

00:30:01.300 And, you know, some people thought she would lose and she won by 13.

00:30:04.080 So Trump is stronger than his reputation electorally.

00:30:09.860 And, you know, Biden is a lot weaker now.

00:30:12.880 Right. Biden, the whole promise of Biden that was attractive to people was we're going to end the hysteria.

00:30:18.600 Right. I'm you're going to not think about me for weeks at a time.

00:30:22.260 Right. Because I'm I'm disappearing into my hidey hole of a basement for weeks at a time.

00:30:27.340 And you're going to go back to normal and it's not going to be like you're not going to turn on the news and it's a code 11 about the latest tweet.

00:30:34.780 Or, you know, fear mongering that somehow Donald Trump's going to give the country away to Kim Jong Un in some summit in Malaysia.

00:30:43.080 It's just going to get normal again. And it didn't get normal.

00:30:45.940 We had masks on children for a year.

00:30:48.360 We have inflation that now of the house that you would have bought in 2020.

00:30:53.260 Now the mortgage on it costs twice as much over the lifetime of the mortgage than it did in 2020.

00:30:58.580 You know, the the the raise you got at work was completely eaten up by your grocery bills, by the the increase in prices of just everyday items of insurance, of health care.

00:31:11.900 You know, so Biden has all of his weakness on him now and his age.

00:31:17.540 I mean, he looks worse and worse and even Democrats are admitting it.

00:31:21.360 He looks worse and worse. And comparatively, Trump looks vigorous.

00:31:24.640 I mean, you know, it's hard to call a 78 year old man vigorous, but he's still like a human tornado compared to most people over 50 years old.

00:31:34.580 And the amount of energy he kind of communicates with his presence in a room.

00:31:40.600 And yeah, if he's on a stage with Biden, it's going to look bad for Biden and people might independent voters might just be.

00:31:47.340 I'm going to go with the guy who looks more, you know, compost mentis.

00:31:51.340 Well, and the other thing about Trump is, isn't he a 77?

00:31:54.000 Did he have a birthday? Didn't turn to 78 in any event.

00:31:56.900 He'll be 78 soon.

00:31:57.980 He is a natural extrovert. And, you know, an extrovert comes alive when they're with people, when they're with other when he enters a room.

00:32:06.200 You can see his chest inflates. You know, he loves it.

00:32:09.620 Look back at celebrity and practice and I like he loves to be adored.

00:32:13.000 It's his oxygen. And that helps him in his vigor and the way he interacts.

00:32:18.080 And people can sense that. I wanted to say this.

00:32:21.380 You guys may have seen this. Kelly O'Donnell, chief White House correspondent for NBC News.

00:32:25.380 Last week, when Trump was arraigned on the J6 charges in D.C., he had to go up to Washington, D.C.

00:32:33.040 and appear in this federal courthouse in front of this judge who's not in his camp.

00:32:38.520 So she tweets out he's flying back because you're talking about how DeSantis and Biden, none of them, they don't have hotels.

00:32:45.880 They don't have a plane. And look at this tweet, you guys.

00:32:48.360 She tweets out a clear sign because she's showing Trump's president on the Trump's airplane on the tarmac.

00:32:53.780 A clear sign he is not president anymore. Despite all the motorcades and perks, his plane has to wait to taxi.

00:33:01.800 Air Force One gets immediate clearance.

00:33:05.300 The responses to this were absolutely. Here's just one from Matthew Marsden.

00:33:10.840 Yeah, what a complete loser. His own 757 has to wait its turn to take off. 0.98

00:33:15.860 Yeah. Isn't it amazing?

00:33:21.080 Yeah. And, you know, this is the indictments help for many reasons, but one of them is just right.

00:33:29.980 The sure, sheer matter of amount of attention they give him.

00:33:35.300 Right. His motorcade is followed and covered like he's president again.

00:33:40.300 We don't pay attention to what any other candidate is saying, except to the extent they're commenting on Trump.

00:33:46.900 Oh, well, DeSantis is a little tougher. Pence seems to be going all out.

00:33:50.840 You know, Vivek wants to pardon him tomorrow. But it's all it's all about Trump.

00:33:54.860 So it's it's all it's all to the good. I would say on the electability thing, he definitely could could win.

00:34:00.380 I might even say, you know, it'd be kind of a coin toss at this point.

00:34:04.320 But there's no doubt he's the riskiest choice among the plausible Republican contenders.

00:34:08.900 But that's hard to you can't make the case against him in a primary based on him being riskier.

00:34:13.320 You've got to say, oh, we'd actually lose. There's no way he can win.

00:34:15.760 I don't think that's correct. I also think Democrats are making a big mistake by thinking, you know, Biden is this unique Trump killer.

00:34:23.020 You know, he won in 2020 in the midst of a pandemic.

00:34:25.540 Like, barely, you know, it was just as narrow or maybe narrower than Trump's victory in 2016.

00:34:31.880 I think it's a little bit more like Biden needs Trump because maybe he couldn't beat anyone else because Trump will somewhat, even though he's more extroverted and feels more vital, you know, kind of mutes the age issue because he's old, too.

00:34:45.500 Trump has his ethical problems, too. So mutes the Hunter Biden stuff.

00:34:50.140 And Trump's really unpopular at the same time. Biden is unpopular.

00:34:53.100 So it may be that Biden can can can beat him.

00:34:56.860 He definitely can beat him. But Trump would be propping up his making up for his his weaknesses.

00:35:04.360 Hmm. You have news today that DeSantis has gotten rid of the polite way of putting it.

00:35:11.580 His campaign manager. She's out genera and in is a guy named James Uthmeyer, who is his chief of staff.

00:35:21.940 It was I think a genera pack was her last name.

00:35:25.020 And so she's going to remain chief strategist on the campaign, but she's no longer the top dog.

00:35:29.720 And he's bringing in his chief of staff for his gubernatorial office.

00:35:33.640 So this guy's worked for him for a long time. I think that's smart.

00:35:36.980 I mean, I don't know genera, but, you know, obviously you've got some real raw political talent there and Ron DeSantis.

00:35:43.020 I don't know that it's been properly channeled. And I think I mean, as I have been making clear on this show, and I'm sure you guys, you know, feel the same.

00:35:51.020 The DeSantis campaign has not been well run.

00:35:52.740 It's like there's it's not all the indictment that makes him 40 points behind.

00:35:58.540 He's got some responsibility for all of that, too.

00:36:01.560 So but, you know, it's like, is it teaspoons in the ocean, MBD?

00:36:06.160 You know, it's like, OK, how much can James do that genera couldn't given the gorilla and the lead?

00:36:14.820 Yeah, I mean, I think the campaign, you know, in some ways we talk about, oh, DeSantis has fallen behind for several months.

00:36:22.940 And that's true if you look at these national polls.

00:36:26.040 But there's no contest in the there's no electoral contest in the world like a U.S. presidential primary where you have these discrete momentum changing contests in small states like Iowa, where the winner of Iowa is going to get showered with more media attention and more money than anyone's put together in the past six months.

00:36:48.920 And and that will change the dynamic of the race.

00:36:52.140 And that's why I think in some ways, like all these stories we're talking about are prelude to that moment when if we get it, when Trump and DeSantis are on a stage together and a moderator puts them into conflict directly with one another, unmediated, that's that's when the campaign really begins.

00:37:10.680 And it may be the moment the campaign ends, right?

00:37:13.260 We may see it right then and there.

00:37:15.060 Whoever wins that first exchange is going to walk away with all the momentum from it.

00:37:20.440 I mean, it's just, you know, and that's why DeSantis has to moderate his attacks in the media, because he can't be seen to be spiking the volleyball that Mika Brzezinski has just served to him.

00:37:32.420 That's going to make him look like a traitor to Republicans, not like a strong contender against Donald Trump.

00:37:38.180 Right. So he has to he has to be on a stage with Trump, looking him face to face and challenging him directly.

00:37:45.840 That's the run over.

00:37:48.240 Yeah, I don't think one exchange could do it for him.

00:37:50.660 Trump could take him out in one exchange, but he can't take Trump out in one exchange.

00:37:54.520 It would have to be, you know, I'm sure there's some boxing analogy that would come to mind if I knew anything about sports.

00:37:59.640 But it would just be it's the Buster Doug it's the Buster Douglas fight, right, which is Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson in Japan.

00:38:10.300 No, but it's a very famous fight, because if you if you look back at it, Buster Douglas was this big upset winner, Mike Tyson, and the commentators couldn't even see what was happening as they were watching it.

00:38:21.680 They're watching it. They're waiting for Mike Tyson to just break out like he has in the last 25 fights, hit him with one big punch and it's over.

00:38:29.720 And it takes them about seven or eight rounds to realize, oh, my gosh, Buster Douglas is beating this man in every round.

00:38:35.520 They can't even see it while it's happening in front of them.

00:38:38.340 And that's what it's if someone's going to beat Donald Trump, it's going to be like that.

00:38:42.000 It's going to be they're scoring points consistently round of round.

00:38:45.840 And it's taking a long time for people to realize that Trump is getting gassed in some way.

00:38:52.000 And if that happens, then the aura of invincibility comes off of Trump.

00:38:56.760 Trump and, you know, it's it's a fresh, fresh contest right from there.

00:39:03.120 But it's going to it's going to take something like that for it to happen.

00:39:07.000 And like I said, it won't happen until there there is this direct conflict.

00:39:13.200 We know that the Fox News executives, Suzanne Scott and James and Jay Wallace went to meet with Trump the night of the night that he found out he was indicted again.

00:39:21.980 And they were with him in Bedminster, reportedly trying to give him the cell on showing up at the August 23rd Fox News hosted debate.

00:39:31.060 He's left that door wide open, but he is not committed.

00:39:35.140 And, you know, I don't know what they could say to him that could make him do it.

00:39:39.540 If he doesn't think it's in his interest in winning the presidency, he's not going to do it.

00:39:43.060 No matter how much it would help Fox News, for the record, it would be unethical to promise better coverage if he came to the debate.

00:39:52.420 I don't know what was promised, but what could they possibly promise him to make him change his mind?

00:39:57.400 You know, this is a political calculation on his part on how best to win this nomination.

00:40:01.960 One other point I wanted to make, then I'll squeeze in a quick break on your point, Rich, about the earned media in 2015 and 16.

00:40:06.980 That's how Trump won. He was in all the rest of us were like, how could he keep?

00:40:11.720 How is he leading in the polls? Look, he attacked John McCain.

00:40:14.580 He did all these crazy things. He attacked the Gold Star family. 1.00

00:40:18.200 But he was in the media dominating every day, every day, every day over the controversies.

00:40:22.180 If you think about it, he couldn't do that this time because we're used to him saying the outlandish things.

00:40:28.700 It's not it doesn't drive the national news cycle the way it did back then.

00:40:31.540 But the indictments do. And so it is it is like a gift.

00:40:37.820 You know, it's a new way of dominating the news every day.

00:40:43.660 Unfortunately for Trump, however, he may have to pay for this news coverage from prison.

00:40:50.100 And the country loses.

00:40:51.820 Not that the Democrats care, because we're not talking about the economy.

00:40:55.860 You know, we're not talking about immigration. We're not talking about crime.

00:40:57.860 We're not talking about any of the things that matter because we're just talking about Trump versus Jack Smith.

00:41:02.220 And that's a preview of how it's going to go for the next year.

00:41:05.640 Quick thought on that, Rich, and then I'll squeeze in a break.

00:41:07.600 I think that's that's a great insight. I hadn't thought about it that way.

00:41:11.900 So the media was the tip of the spear in terms of getting Trump attention in 15 and 16.

00:41:16.580 Now it's the law enforcement system with the media kind of coming in behind.

00:41:20.400 And I kind of think Trump I've thought Trump wouldn't go to the debate.

00:41:23.840 I still think he he won't. But if he does, it'll just be the allure of that stage.

00:41:28.440 Because if he's there, this is the biggest political show on Earth. Right.

00:41:33.400 If he's not there, it's still interesting. And if he's not there, by the way, the other guy who can take him out in one punch.

00:41:39.200 Potentially, it's not DeSantis is not just Trump, but also Chris Christie, who can't stand DeSantis, will be loaded for bear.

00:41:46.180 We'll want to take him down because he'll be the biggest guy on on the stage.

00:41:50.300 You know, the de facto front runner being in clear second place as opposed to the rest of the field.

00:41:56.040 So if I'm Trump, I let it go. I let these guys fight like a scorpion in the bottle and hope someone takes down DeSantis further.

00:42:03.200 Hmm. I will say I'm glad Chris Christie is there. I understand why people find him annoying, but I think it's good to have these guys punched up.

00:42:12.140 You know, let's see how they do. Punch him right in the face. Throw all the stuff. 0.99

00:42:16.020 He's basically kind of the things he's saying are like Democrat things.

00:42:19.940 And so it's almost a preview of how a general election debate would go.

00:42:23.280 I think it's very good for all the Republicans to have Chris Christie out there.

00:42:27.140 And he's very good at it. So it'll be exciting to have him no matter who shows up.

00:42:32.800 As we go to break, I'll give you this one thought on Trump and the way he sees the legal crackdown, the warfare, the lawfare that's being unleashed on him.

00:42:43.940 Listen.

00:42:45.520 Every time they file an indictment, we go way up in the polls.

00:42:49.440 We need one more indictment to close out this election.

00:42:53.640 One more indictment.

00:42:55.800 And this election is closed out.

00:42:58.380 Nobody has even a chance.

00:43:00.060 That may not be just hyperbole.

00:43:03.440 That actually might be true.

00:43:05.320 More with Rich and MBD right after this.

00:43:08.000 Beat, beat, beatboxing actually has hidden health benefits.

00:43:12.120 It can help strengthen and protect your voice from injury.

00:43:16.700 See healthy living differently with Manulife.

00:43:18.940 Visit manulife.ca slash health.

00:43:21.880 Yeah.

00:43:22.480 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from Winners, I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners?

00:43:31.420 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. 1.00

00:43:34.160 Are those from Winners?

00:43:35.680 Ooh, are those beautiful gold earrings.

00:43:38.140 Did she pay full price?

00:43:39.500 Or that leather tote?

00:43:40.500 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:43:41.740 Or those knee-high boots?

00:43:43.180 That dress?

00:43:43.960 That jacket?

00:43:44.640 Those shoes?

00:43:45.660 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:43:48.140 Stop wondering.

00:43:49.920 Start winning.

00:43:50.820 Winners find fabulous for less.

00:43:52.820 Today, President Biden has decided to improve our country and his hopes of being reelected by sitting down, not with NBC, not with ABC, not with Fox, not with CBS.

00:44:08.220 But the man who's given fewer interviews, I think, than any modern president will be sitting down with the Weather Channel, sitting down with the Weather Channel to talk about climate change.

00:44:22.980 This reminded me of when he was going to sit down with not Brett Baer on Fox News when Fox had the Super Bowl, but with Fox Soul, with one of his surrogates who had worked actively to get him elected.

00:44:38.900 This is not going to be the hardest-hitting interview, I'm guessing, MBD.

00:44:43.180 What do you make of it?

00:44:44.100 Yeah, I mean, this is, I mean, if you thought Ron DeSantis was afraid of the media before, I mean, you haven't seen nothing yet.

00:44:52.420 I mean, this is a very controlled, very soft touch.

00:44:57.660 I mean, the Weather Channel is not going to be asking him any tough questions about inflation.

00:45:02.960 They're not even going to ask him tough questions about climate policy, to be honest.

00:45:06.820 It's just, it's just, basically, I think what Joe Biden's strategy is going to be is just trying to remind people, I'm a nice old man.

00:45:18.440 I'm harmless in a fundamental way.

00:45:21.820 Right?

00:45:22.100 Like, I just, I love my son.

00:45:24.580 I love my country.

00:45:26.260 I've been around, like, a piece of furniture you can't get rid of and you inherited from, you know, three generations ago.

00:45:33.600 And, you know, you just can't imagine the House without me.

00:45:37.360 That's going to be his strategy for winning re-election.

00:45:40.940 And it's not a bad one, but it's certainly not one that honors the American people as far as giving us a chance to scrutinize his first term in public and have a real debate about it.

00:45:52.900 I'm a piece of furniture.

00:45:54.300 Re-elect Biden 2024.

00:45:56.280 Hey, you can't imagine the House without me.

00:45:58.300 That's hilarious.

00:45:58.800 So, ask Tuesday, today, why the president is choosing to sit for an interview with the Weather Channel.

00:46:04.340 White House officials, Rich, said, it's important to meet voters where they are.

00:46:09.840 What?

00:46:10.240 Yeah, well, this also goes to the big partisan divide where Democrats are totally freaked out about climate change and Republicans aren't.

00:46:18.840 And there's this big effort in the media every time there's a heat wave or extreme weather event to portray as solely the responsibility of global warming, which is unscientific.

00:46:32.320 And this just goes to with COVID, we learned that all this, you know, you get a paper somewhere that said if a kid wore an N95 mask perfectly all day long, which is never going to happen, it might diminish his or her chances of getting COVID or spreading it by 5%.

00:46:46.320 And then the advocates would get that and get reported in the media and cable news is report fines.

00:46:52.720 Kids must wear masks.

00:46:54.120 And I'm not an expert on climate change, but I know that very same thing has to be going on with the so-called the science and the so-called science of this phenomenon.

00:47:03.900 It's there will be absolutely no challenges.

00:47:06.560 No one's going to ask him about Hunter Biden, about whistleblowers.

00:47:09.880 I mean, we saw him sit for a major interview, I think it was on NBC or MSNBC, forgive me, but my team will check me, short after some of that broke and they didn't ask him, oh no, CNN, wasn't it?

00:47:22.780 Wasn't it Fareed Zakaria?

00:47:25.040 And asked him not one question.

00:47:27.060 It was supposed to be about foreign policy.

00:47:28.440 That's fine.

00:47:29.160 As a reporter, you can agree to that, MBD.

00:47:30.780 But they didn't ask one question on Hunter or the controversies.

00:47:34.520 This is going to be the playbook going forward.

00:47:37.300 Avoid those questions like the plague.

00:47:39.880 Yeah, I mean, the media wants to avoid them because the media was complicit in suppressing the story in the first place in the 2016 election.

00:47:47.480 I mean, it's egg all over their face that all these facts have come out, dribbled out over four years, basically, about Hunter Biden, that the laptop was not Russian disinformation, that the media was taken in by a handful of ex-spooks, and that this turned into a censorship regime led by social media.

00:48:07.720 So they're going to avoid it like the plague.

00:48:10.980 Yeah, and they have been.

00:48:12.680 This whole thing, though, sitting down with the Weather Channel reminds me of a Hillary Clinton tweet recently where she blamed the weather on Republicans.

00:48:19.660 Remember, she tweeted out, hot enough for you? 0.96

00:48:22.520 Think a MAGA Republican.

00:48:24.340 Or better yet, vote them out of office.

00:48:26.540 I mean, the power of MAGA.

00:48:28.360 Yeah, who knew we could?

00:48:30.980 Republicans are responsible for loneliness, too, according to her recent, her new Atlantic essay.

00:48:36.540 It's amazing.

00:48:37.140 There's no limit to their power.

00:48:39.240 If only they could actually win a presidential election, then we'd really feel it.

00:48:43.460 Rich and MBD, stay with me.

00:48:45.100 And we've got some new thoughts on Megan Rapinoe and new tape as well.

00:48:52.980 So, guys, we are officially in August.

00:48:55.140 And on August 26th, we will be at the two-year mark of the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal and the bombing, the suicide bombing that took place thereafter, killing 13 U.S. service personnel.

00:49:06.380 And as we approach that dreadful anniversary, Gold Star families gathered in Escondido, California, at the invitation of Daryl Issa, a Republican, to tell their stories.

00:49:19.860 And it was a remarkable event.

00:49:22.600 These parents are angry.

00:49:25.200 They are angry at the Biden administration for not taking responsibility for that withdrawal and what happened to their sons and daughters,

00:49:32.080 for completely ignoring them after it happened, not speaking their children's names publicly, trying to move on past this as soon as humanly possible because it was bad for Biden politically.

00:49:44.800 But we listened to them and it was heart wrenching and a very stark reminder of not just what happened that day and how poorly it was handled, but how they've been treated.

00:49:55.560 I'm going to kick it off with Cheryl Rex, who had some thoughts on her exchange with Joe Biden.

00:50:02.060 She's the mother of Lance Corporal Dylan Marola.

00:50:05.200 And she talked about the moment they did meet with President Biden after her son and the others were killed.

00:50:11.700 Listen.

00:50:13.160 When Joe Biden, our elected president, entered the room, when he approached me, his words to me were,

00:50:20.940 My wife, Jill, and I know how you feel.

00:50:24.560 We lost our son as well and brought him home in a fog-draped coffin.

00:50:29.680 My heart started beating faster and I started shaking knowing that their son died from cancer and they were able to be by his side.

00:50:36.640 After this encounter, I have never had any personal correspondence, nor has my son been honored or his name spoken by this commander-in-chief or his administration.

00:50:49.140 How could so many people pay their respects, but nothing at all from the president of the United States on something he had conducted?

00:50:58.160 It's pretty extraordinary.

00:51:01.460 And, you know, MBD, he's told that lie many times.

00:51:04.420 Beau Biden did not die in Iraq.

00:51:07.620 He may have died from this brain cancer, perhaps related to the burn pits that he was exposed to in Iraq,

00:51:14.500 but he did not come home from Iraq in a flag-draped casket.

00:51:18.160 And just the inappropriateness of saying that to a mother who had just lost her 19-year-old over there as a result of Biden's command,

00:51:27.840 it's obvious to any thinking, feeling person.

00:51:31.820 I don't know why Joe Biden thinks he can lie about the most grave and intimate details of his life.

00:51:41.240 And he's made a habit of this with the story of his first wife's death.

00:51:49.000 He's falsely accused the other person involved in the car accident of having had, you know, drinks for lunch and being a drunk driver.

00:51:58.280 It is a revolting thing.

00:52:02.460 And it cuts against his biggest strength, supposedly, as a politician, which was this power of empathy.

00:52:11.200 But when it's an empathy that is based on a lie, it becomes just so sinister in his mouth to utter that words.

00:52:22.220 Or in a sense, in a sense, he's almost like, we talk about stolen valor, but in a way, he's like stolen suffering from these Gold Star Mothers. 0.91

00:52:33.660 It's a really sick quality about Joe Biden that tears at this image of integrity and soulfulness that he tries to portray.

00:52:45.440 And, you know, he could have handled this so much better.

00:52:49.680 I mean, all he had to do was the things that they are mentioning that in those testimonies, speak their names, speak truthfully with them, honor their sons and daughters.

00:53:03.180 Politically, you know, the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan was made by the Trump administration, which had negotiated a withdrawal.

00:53:11.480 And he did not have to take full responsibility beyond anything except how it went that day.

00:53:21.840 And he could have done so and done so in a manful way, in a way that took responsibility that, you know, the commander in chief has to take these decisions that risk the lives of young men and women in uniform, our bravest, our best, the flower of our youth.

00:53:39.460 And that these terrorists are responsible for their deaths.

00:53:48.820 And he just couldn't do it because it was too politically embarrassing.

00:53:52.820 And they saw immediately in the polls that the American people ultimately lost confidence in the Biden administration that very day.

00:54:00.860 They decided this this administration is incompetent in a fundamental way.

00:54:04.980 And then Joe Biden's age is layered on top of that, that his his incompetence is due in part to, you know, potentially his senility or to some reduced capacity he has as an octogenarian.

00:54:19.060 And so it is awful. And I imagine we're going to be hearing more from these families when the general election campaign comes around.

00:54:29.000 Yeah. And this this month, as we hit the two year mark, you know, Rich, when you and MBD were on your way here to the Jersey Shore to join me for that Fourth of July party, we were talking about the State Department on the eve of July 4th weekend released a scathing, right, a scathing report on Afghanistan.

00:54:47.980 So they knew they had to do it, but they buried it on the Friday before a holiday weekend.

00:54:52.680 And it blamed, yes, President Trump's administration, but also the Biden administration for a precipitous decision to end the military mission there without contemplating or even considering considering sufficiently worst case scenarios and saying it had serious consequences that those decisions and the failure to make them and saying,

00:55:17.780 even though planning for the evacuation of Kabul began some time beforehand, the State Department was hindered by the fact that it was unclear who in the department had the lead.

00:55:27.960 They didn't even know who was in charge when it came to evacuating our personnel and so on.

00:55:32.580 No one understood who was in command. And the person who is the commander in chief is still in the job right now.

00:55:37.880 So after that bombing on August 26th, where we lost 13 service personnel, I mean, a week after August 31st, Joe Biden came out and said this and the families were not happy about this.

00:55:50.920 Listen to him in Sot 5.

00:55:51.700 Last night in Kabul, the United States ended 20 years of war in Afghanistan, the longest war in American history.

00:56:03.320 The extraordinary success of this mission was due to the incredible skill, bravely and selfless courage of the United States military and our diplomats and intelligence professionals.

00:56:14.960 It was a lie. It was a political lie. It was inconsiderate and heartless toward the family of those who had just died days earlier, not even a full week earlier.

00:56:24.960 And it was raised yesterday by Christy Shamblin, who is the mother-in-law of U.S. Marine Nicole Gee. Listen here.

00:56:31.880 When our leaders, including the secretary of defense and our commander in chief, call this evacuation a success, as if there should be celebration, it is like a knife in the heart.

00:56:52.160 I live every single day, knowing that these deaths were preventable. My daughter could be with us today.

00:57:01.600 And that wasn't just one decision. It was many decisions. Many times over, it could have been stopped.

00:57:08.600 So to call it a success is an ultimate disrespect.

00:57:17.080 It's a pattern with him, Rich, to call his failures successes and just hope the American people are too distracted to understand.

00:57:29.520 Yeah. So the the Bo Biden thing is just really weird and it's either he's lying about it or he doesn't know the reality of it anymore.

00:57:37.940 I'm not sure what's most disturbing, but like it just just a basic life lesson is when someone has experienced some unbelievable, heart wrenching loss, even if you know what it's like, you don't say you know what it's like.

00:57:52.760 You say there are no words. Right. The the the Bible tells the story of of Job and and the wisest friend of Job is the one who just sits there and says nothing because there's nothing you can say.

00:58:06.580 And that's that's that's what you do. You don't say, oh, this has happened.

00:58:10.540 My boy, Bo, especially when it didn't. So what these families want is commiseration.

00:58:17.380 They want recognition for the sacrifices of their their children and they want the truth.

00:58:23.300 And that shouldn't be too much to ask for from the United States government.

00:58:28.300 And just to portray this as as a success was a terrible lie.

00:58:35.140 Everyone knew it's a lie. So it didn't even have you know, it didn't even work for them.

00:58:39.500 And as MD points out, you know, these families aren't going to get satisfaction, unfortunately.

00:58:44.820 But Biden did pay a price for this. It put him on a fundamentally different trajectory.

00:58:49.900 His reputation for competence, such as it was, just disappeared after this withdrawal, never to never to return.

00:58:58.260 But it's just it's amazing how just very rarely he's called on the lie about Bo Biden.

00:59:03.420 You know, most of the press just ignores it like this is something normal when it's when it's really weird and disturbing.

00:59:11.520 You're right. It's stolen suffering. Exactly right.

00:59:13.940 This is not. And you shouldn't. You're right. When somebody says, oh, my God, this horrible thing has happened to me, the response is not something horrible happened to me, too.

00:59:20.740 Let's talk about me in response to your tragedy, especially if you're the commander in chief who put that person's child in harm's way to begin with.

00:59:27.760 And as his own State Department is concluding here, handled it horrendously.

00:59:32.260 So what's interesting to me in part about this MBD is I think Daryl Issa, a Republican House member, probably did this to honor the families.

00:59:39.880 I don't take away his sincerity there, but also it's a terrible political item for Joe Biden.

00:59:46.340 And I'm sure he can understand that reminding people of that disastrous withdrawal is not going to not going to be a good thing for Joe Biden and his reelection chances.

00:59:54.900 But to me, yes, it underscores the incompetence of it all.

00:59:58.380 But it also underscores the heartlessness of Joe Biden, because, you know, as you point out, he's the piece of furniture.

01:00:04.420 You can't get rid of me. You know, comfy and nonthreatening.

01:00:08.260 But look at like the series of things we've seen in the news over the past couple of months.

01:00:12.520 The refusal to acknowledge his own grandchild until it became a media issue that The New York Times was writing about.

01:00:19.360 Right. Right. The the dog we talked about this the other day, the dog that bit with like seven secret service members to the point where they had to go to the hospital repeatedly.

01:00:29.500 He does nothing about it. He doesn't give a damn how many of his the guys and gals who protect his life.

01:00:35.020 How many of them have their blood drawn by this dog commander, this German shepherd who's nothing to be trifled with?

01:00:40.920 He doesn't care. The fact that forget the bribery allegations against him.

01:00:47.140 You know, we don't know whether those are true, but the fact that he had Hunter out there sitting on the boards of, you know, this Ukrainian company and dealing with the Chinese when he knew he was an active, active drug addiction and didn't care how badly this reflected on him, his boss, Barack Obama, the administration, what might happen to the American people as a result of it just didn't care.

01:01:06.900 He's just a purely political animal who looks out for number one.

01:01:13.340 Yeah. You know, you see it in those statements that they made upon the withdrawal about the success of the withdrawal.

01:01:21.120 Now, I'm sure that Joe Biden's speechwriters and speechwriters for the leaders of the Pentagon thought, hey, we're honoring the sacrifices that were made over 20 years.

01:01:34.920 And we're not we're not going to imply that any of that was made in vain.

01:01:40.500 And that's they wanted to make that point.

01:01:43.660 But in a sense, that's that's as far as they went.

01:01:49.120 It was this completely superficial thing of what we say.

01:01:52.840 Now, what would a responsible commander in chief do responsible commander in chief would take that report that came out before July 4th?

01:02:01.700 He'd be waiting for that report to hit his desk.

01:02:04.300 He'd be talking about how there was a culture of lying and of butt covering in the military in Afghanistan for almost the entire mission.

01:02:15.380 But there was a constant pattern of self-deception about, you know, winning hearts and minds, these color coded maps, these false promises and new dawns that every new general brought with them, earned their stars and then walked away from this mission.

01:02:31.940 And he would say, I'm going to fix this culture because it's this culture that led to the confusion and disaster of that day that I'm and I'm responsible to fix it.

01:02:43.860 And he hasn't done any of that.

01:02:45.440 And it's driving military families nuts and it's killing military recruitment because the military relies on military families for continuing recruitment generation after generation.

01:03:00.640 This is an exhaustible resource.

01:03:03.940 And the past four administrations have been totally careless with the military and those families.

01:03:11.440 And now we are reaping the whirlwind because we have to lower standards for the physical entrance exams, for the ASVAB intelligence exams.

01:03:20.960 And we're still not making bare minimum recruitment numbers at a time when the Chinese and Russians are sending flotillas three times bigger than what we can respond with in Alaska.

01:03:34.980 I mean, this is a serious, serious problem.

01:03:38.420 It reflects it goes much deeper than just failing the PR of the death of these 13 service members.

01:03:46.680 It goes directly to Joe Biden's totally self-satisfied, neglectful leadership style, which is evident not just in his family, but with with his presidency.

01:03:59.460 The military recruitment point is so good.

01:04:01.240 There was a Babylon Bee headline the other day that said something to the effect of military leaders can't understand why young men won't sign up to go die for this racist country.

01:04:11.320 Yeah.

01:04:11.600 It's like, right, exactly.

01:04:14.120 Well said.

01:04:14.960 And the fact is, the two years post-Afghanistan and that withdrawal, no one's been held accountable.

01:04:21.520 No one has been fired.

01:04:23.040 It seems to have been a point that Darren Hoover was getting at yesterday.

01:04:27.700 He, his son, Marine Staff Sergeant Darren Taylor Hoover Jr.

01:04:32.000 Died that day, August 26th.

01:04:34.640 And here's what he had to say.

01:04:35.760 I'm calling out Secretary Blinken, Secretary Austin, General Milley, General McKenzie, Lieutenant Colonel Whited, who could not give the order to the snipers to take out the bomber before he detonated his vest and ultimately the president.

01:05:00.860 Do what our son did.

01:05:05.820 Be a grown-ass man.

01:05:08.960 Admit your mistakes. 0.94

01:05:11.140 Rich, can you go back to the web?

01:05:12.220 Learn from them so that this doesn't happen ever, ever again.

01:05:20.940 You all need to resign immediately.

01:05:24.380 Our sons and daughters have more integrity in their little toes than every one of them combined.

01:05:30.860 He's saying what you were saying, Amity.

01:05:35.460 I'd vote for that guy.

01:05:36.780 You know, who is the person who said we'd be better off just finding some random citizen to serve?

01:05:41.520 Like, I'd vote for that guy to go in there.

01:05:43.680 Somebody who's willing to take responsibility.

01:05:46.220 I haven't seen that in the office in a long time, Rich.

01:05:48.440 Yeah, well, we have this.

01:05:51.040 This is one reason we have a deep distrust almost of every institution in the country, because it seems as though no one ever takes responsibility or pays a price for failure, except for if you transgress against woke ideology.

01:06:04.280 You know, and you're a general, you're out the next day, right?

01:06:07.800 We can be assured of that.

01:06:09.560 But if you have some role in botching a major military operation, well, then that's a different matter entirely.

01:06:17.380 It's galling and infuriating.

01:06:19.120 I'm going to I'm going to draw the parallel to the U.S. women's soccer team.

01:06:23.920 Megan Rapinoe is the Mark Milley of soccer.

01:06:27.000 She couldn't execute.

01:06:28.620 She was too focused on her wokeism.

01:06:30.920 It trickled down to her troops. 1.00

01:06:33.100 And now they're losers. 1.00

01:06:34.780 That's what they are. 1.00

01:06:35.620 They're losers. 1.00

01:06:36.620 That's what happened. 1.00

01:06:38.020 I'm I remain infuriated by it.

01:06:40.720 I couldn't care less that they lost.

01:06:42.560 In fact, I'm thrilled that they lost and I'm I remain hopeful that they will take a lesson from the fact that they have allowed themselves to be led into oblivion, the oblivion of being a loser by a woman who's much more concerned about her Nike checks and subway checks than she is about getting the big W. 0.96

01:07:03.380 There's more video that surfaced yesterday.

01:07:05.420 We saw her laughing after she failed to score on the penalty kick. 0.96

01:07:09.800 You know, she came nowhere near.

01:07:11.080 And I said on the show yesterday, OK, you know, emotions are weird things like there's a fine line between laughing and crying.

01:07:17.640 So I don't I don't know what this is about.

01:07:19.640 But and we talked about it with my team.

01:07:21.440 Like, why do we care like about the laughing?

01:07:23.360 And because there's more video of her laughing again.

01:07:25.500 I'll show it to you and then we'll talk about it.

01:07:27.160 But here she is with her hugging her family after the loss.

01:07:30.600 You can see she's upset.

01:07:32.120 The big hug.

01:07:33.800 And then once again, when she pulls away from the family member, it turns into laughs.

01:07:38.720 And my team asked me, can you imagine LeBron James losing an NBA final and laughing?

01:07:48.760 Like, can you imagine the miracle on ice hockey team?

01:07:51.500 I mentioned them yesterday laughing after they lost.

01:07:54.880 Right.

01:07:55.700 They wouldn't.

01:07:57.080 They they took it so deadly seriously.

01:07:59.000 They understood they had on the stars and stripes and that the entire country was watching them for a reason.

01:08:05.000 Like she's able to laugh.

01:08:06.260 It's all about her.

01:08:07.380 The whole thing has been.

01:08:08.460 And it trickled down to where other than three girls who half asked the national anthem, gentlemen, it was not like the MBD rendition of the declaration.

01:08:16.380 Other than those three girls, they wouldn't sing.

01:08:20.980 They they didn't.

01:08:22.100 They refused to honor the country.

01:08:23.440 So it's turned into this big debate now because the left is mad at conservatives who are celebrating this.

01:08:29.600 And the conservatives, I think, are feeling a touch of karma here.

01:08:33.760 What do you think, Rich?

01:08:34.440 Yeah, I'm glad they lost.

01:08:38.280 I felt zero investment in this team because too many of them didn't seem to feel an investment in their their country.

01:08:44.880 And that that's ingratitude on the laughter.

01:08:49.120 I will give a break as you alluded to the fine line between laughing and crying.

01:08:56.120 I think that's derisive, sardonic laughter.

01:08:59.800 And there is no accounting for how certain people process emotions.

01:09:02.940 You mentioned a miracle on ice, 1980 U.S. hockey team.

01:09:09.340 I watched the the end of that game against the Soviets, like at least probably every six months.

01:09:14.960 It was one of those formative sports in my life.

01:09:19.060 My kids once once said to me, why don't we never never see you cry?

01:09:22.980 And then one day we were bored and I was like, let's watch the the Herb Brooks speech from the movie when he's escorting his his exhorting his team prior to the.

01:09:32.940 The game against the Soviets.

01:09:34.280 And then my daughter looked at me, Daddy, why are you crying?

01:09:37.100 Yes, not tonight.

01:09:38.560 Herb Brooks, that coach who delivered that wonderful speech, they win that game.

01:09:43.340 He walks away.

01:09:44.740 He does not celebrate.

01:09:46.140 He just he couldn't handle it for whatever reason.

01:09:48.260 He's a button up guy.

01:09:49.620 Just walked off the bench, went to the locker room.

01:09:52.280 No one saw.

01:09:52.960 So how people could process emotions is different.

01:09:56.400 But this, you know, when she was asked what she was proudest about, wasn't wasn't a game, wasn't a moment in a game, wasn't a victory, wasn't being with her teammates.

01:10:06.260 It was equal pay.

01:10:07.600 So what mattered to her most was a social cause.

01:10:10.300 She identified perhaps unfairly.

01:10:12.100 You know, I don't think all the members of the team are as woke as she is.

01:10:15.760 But she identified it with a divisive social cause when these national teams should be a great unifying thing for the country.

01:10:23.460 So, you know, she's going to remember that penalty kick that sailed didn't even come close the rest of her life. 0.99

01:10:32.140 And I can't say I'm particularly sad about it.

01:10:34.980 But yeah, it was a miss.

01:10:36.680 It was a loss.

01:10:37.360 And it was the end of her career.

01:10:38.520 And good.

01:10:39.560 Goodbye.

01:10:40.300 I won't miss her or her leadership.

01:10:42.060 This is a person, MBD, who said she'll never sing the national anthem again.

01:10:45.980 She's so disgusted with our country, this country that made her a multimillionaire, that let her don the stars and stripes to go out there and represent it and all that it stood for and all the sacrifices made by men and women like the 13 who gave their lives two years ago this month.

01:11:00.520 She she did not feel the need to honor any of them.

01:11:02.680 And that's what makes her different from a LeBron James who's playing privately, who doesn't bear the stars and stripes, who's not out there representing America.

01:11:10.380 You're going to take that job.

01:11:12.280 There are certain responsibilities come with it.

01:11:14.100 And it's not to bash the country that you've been sent out there to represent.

01:11:18.100 And it's a pattern.

01:11:20.420 She's all about herself.

01:11:22.480 Piers Morgan tweeted this out the other day.

01:11:24.780 And here she is.

01:11:25.800 Look at this.

01:11:26.200 It was an awards ceremony that she attended in 2019.

01:11:29.180 Look at this little boy comes up to her soccer ball.

01:11:31.160 She won't even look at him.

01:11:32.680 She won't look at him.

01:11:34.680 She signs it.

01:11:36.140 She never even looks the child in the eyes.

01:11:39.840 She's too big.

01:11:41.140 She's too important.

01:11:42.280 You see, working on her, what, equal pay or her bashing of America. 1.00

01:11:47.040 Screw the children.

01:11:48.120 Screw the country.

01:11:49.220 Let me go cash my millions.

01:11:50.440 Yeah, I mean, what you are expressing, I feel like this is, you're actually, Megan Rapinoe is wrapping up the theme of this show.

01:11:58.900 The whole show is this theme where you felt like, I want them to lose.

01:12:03.760 You've betrayed this institution, a national team, at a fundamental level.

01:12:10.020 You've corrupted the enterprise you're in.

01:12:12.520 And so I want to see the whole thing fall apart.

01:12:15.040 And I think that's, that is becoming a common feeling.

01:12:18.880 It's why people are withdrawing their trust from the military.

01:12:22.140 It's why this whole contest with, you know, between Jack Smith and the Justice Department and Donald Trump is going to polarize our politics like nothing before, right?

01:12:32.980 Because it just, it tears away all the specifics of the issue and it just says, okay, we're going to pit the corrupt, captured, woke institutions against the people.

01:12:44.680 And we're just going to have a straight out contest about who runs the country.

01:12:50.000 And a lot of people look at these institutions and say, I want you to fall apart.

01:12:55.840 You're no longer serving your purpose.

01:12:57.300 You're no longer serving, you know, what you were founded and funded and patronized to do. 1.00

01:13:04.920 So to hell with you. 0.99

01:13:06.860 And it's, it's, it's pure loss. 0.98

01:13:11.240 And it, you know, you see sports leagues suffering from this, this nonsense where, you know, the fans and the people who run the sport are, are from completely different cultural and political worlds.

01:13:27.300 And the sport is being torn up because of it, right?

01:13:29.980 I mean, like the, and half the players aren't even on the side of the executives and owners or the managers that run the, the marketing departments.

01:13:39.520 I mean, we saw this with the Dodgers this year, where you have a marketing department that markets this anti-Catholic group.

01:13:47.140 And you have a Christian pitcher, Clayton Kershaw, trying to salvage something of his own self-respect and the team's reputation with fans by trying to institute, you know, something to honor Christians on another night.

01:14:01.580 So this is, this is just a pattern repeated throughout our culture.

01:14:05.820 And it's not going to go away until you take the left's toys away from them.

01:14:11.740 Until they're, until they are chastened again, like they were earlier, like in the Reagan era.

01:14:17.080 There were a lot of liberals who had out their opinions on American foreign policy, on American domestic policy, in all sorts of positions of cultural influence.

01:14:26.200 But they knew that they were a minority and they knew to respect the sensibilities of the majority as much as possible.

01:14:33.920 And they don't do that anymore.

01:14:35.580 So until they, they suffer another humiliation, it's, it's just going to get worse.

01:14:41.200 So I'm very, I'm very into this whole discussion.

01:14:43.180 I've been thinking a lot about this lately.

01:14:45.120 The, yeah, the burn it all down piece of what you said and how Trump is the burn it all down guy.

01:14:50.480 It's, it's not enough to have a fighter like DeSantis in the eyes of a lot of Republicans in particular.

01:14:54.720 You need the burn it all down guy because the systems are not fixable.

01:14:58.440 They have to be taken down to the studs.

01:15:01.020 And the, the scary thing is we're at this peak level, I think, of distrust of, for good reason, of law and order, right?

01:15:10.980 The justice system of the FBI, right?

01:15:14.680 If you want to get down a more granular, granular level intelligence, CIA of public health.

01:15:19.520 You know, look at Anthony Fauci has just been referred to the justice department by Rand Paul for lying.

01:15:24.720 And he did.

01:15:25.340 It seems clear to me he lied.

01:15:27.020 Will he be held accountable?

01:15:28.140 I think he'll go the Hunter Biden route.

01:15:30.480 And so people more and more, they don't trust public health.

01:15:32.660 They don't trust the Intel services.

01:15:34.400 They don't trust the justice department.

01:15:36.180 They certainly don't trust what comes out of this White House.

01:15:38.940 And so trust is dwindling.

01:15:40.720 It's going down the toilet, you know, and that sort of the downward spiral.

01:15:43.340 And what happens when trust dwindles like that in government institutions?

01:15:48.260 Conspiratorial thinking rises.

01:15:50.200 That's a historical fact.

01:15:52.200 And that's we are not, you know, three people who use that word.

01:15:57.000 Oh, he's conspiracy theorist to dismiss anything and everything like the left does.

01:16:01.620 But some things are conspiracy theories.

01:16:03.580 You know, some things do deserve to be called out as a bunch of BS.

01:16:07.920 And instead of that happening, I think our future is going to have more and more and more

01:16:13.560 of conspiratorial thinking as everybody wants to be the smart one who sees the truth, capital

01:16:19.980 T, about every institution, Rich.

01:16:23.060 And it's very dangerous.

01:16:25.200 There needs to be some level of trust in these institutions which help bind us together as

01:16:30.500 a society, as a country.

01:16:32.820 Yeah, you absolutely need that glue.

01:16:35.580 There's no doubt about it.

01:16:36.620 I would say, unfortunately, and I think you're using the word loosely, but say we've kind

01:16:41.120 of reached peak distrust in law enforcement.

01:16:43.660 I'm not sure we have.

01:16:44.760 You know, we have more to go as this Trump case and other things happen.

01:16:51.700 But the people in charge of the law of responsibility repeatedly have abused their trust on COVID origins.

01:16:59.660 I know NBD has followed this one closely, too.

01:17:01.760 There was this proximal origins paper, right, that dismissed the idea that it was a lab theory

01:17:08.940 and said it had to come from nature.

01:17:11.620 And we've gotten all these revelations of the messages and texts between the scientists

01:17:16.400 who wrote this paper.

01:17:18.840 And one of them had a burner phone.

01:17:20.960 Why does a scientist have a burner phone, right?

01:17:23.540 Does that make any sense?

01:17:24.980 And they were saying prior to the publication, well, we think a lab theory is quite plausible

01:17:29.480 and maybe more likely than not.

01:17:32.220 And then when they get into print, it's all it had to be natural.

01:17:35.580 It's not impossible as a lab theory.

01:17:37.040 The editors wanted it to even be stronger, saying it's natural origins because they worried

01:17:42.440 about the effect of if there was any room there for saying it was from a lab.

01:17:46.620 The conspiracy theorists believe it was from a lab and it would hurt China's relationships.

01:17:51.600 And then you get our relationship with China.

01:17:53.440 And then you get the back and forth and the scientists are, oh, the people are going to

01:17:57.400 peer review it.

01:17:58.100 They know us.

01:17:58.700 They're favorable to us.

01:17:59.640 So the peer review wasn't really legit.

01:18:02.260 And this was a conspiracy, right?

01:18:04.420 It was a kind of conspiracy.

01:18:07.100 It doesn't mean all conspiracy.

01:18:08.300 You know, everything's a conspiracy.

01:18:09.980 Lots of conspiracy theories are nuts, obviously.

01:18:12.560 But this this is this is what you do if you actually want to.

01:18:16.300 It's not what they want to do, but what they've ended up doing.

01:18:19.060 If you want to undermine trust in authorities, trust in experts, trust in institutions and have

01:18:25.660 a have a society where no one believes what anyone says.

01:18:29.760 Right.

01:18:30.280 It's so ironic, right?

01:18:31.520 They they dismissed the lab leak theory as a conspiracy theory.

01:18:36.520 While they themselves were engaged in a conspiracy to hide the fact that it was very clearly from

01:18:41.820 a lab and not from natural origin and that those papers you just referenced are extraordinary.

01:18:46.820 I think my audience is up to speed on this because we've discussed it at length on the

01:18:50.340 show.

01:18:50.540 But just to refresh that proximal origin paper, you remember that right before covid really

01:18:56.960 hit, it was February of twenty twenty.

01:18:59.460 You know, the sort of the so-called experts knew it was coming and we had the incidents

01:19:03.040 in China, but we hadn't shut down here in the United States yet.

01:19:06.240 And behind the scenes, we know that Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins worked with the top

01:19:10.120 virologists in the country and outside of the country, some eleven or twelve of them

01:19:13.460 to shape opinion for a piece that would hit publicly in it was either science or nature.

01:19:19.040 I always forget which one it was.

01:19:21.760 And those scientists came, those virologists came to Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins,

01:19:25.680 we understood, believing that it was a lab leak.

01:19:28.120 They had seen various facts, including some some of the genome sequences that suggested

01:19:33.360 it had this so-called furin cleavage cleavage site inside of the virus, which tends to be

01:19:37.960 a manmade thing.

01:19:38.680 They've never seen it before.

01:19:39.540 And this kind of bat virus that that didn't wasn't inserted by a human. 0.89

01:19:44.780 And yet their paper said, absolutely not.

01:19:48.940 It didn't come from a man, didn't come from a lab, came from some animal.

01:19:52.640 The animal will be found.

01:19:54.560 P.S.

01:19:54.880 80,000 animal examinations later, they never found it.

01:19:57.760 So now we are now seeing the actual exchanges.

01:20:02.780 We saw a couple early on, did a long talking points memo about it, but we're seeing more.

01:20:07.860 So Christiane Anderson, this is one of the paper's authors and one of the top guys on this,

01:20:12.420 wrote a Slack message.

01:20:13.840 We've gotten our hands on Slack messages here, thanks to the U.S. House Select Committee

01:20:18.060 on the coronavirus pandemic.

01:20:19.580 Again, please, people keep divided government.

01:20:22.120 If you're going to vote for Joe Biden again, please at least keep the Republicans in the

01:20:25.300 House.

01:20:25.720 We wouldn't know any of this if it weren't for them.

01:20:28.300 He wrote a Slack message to his colleagues saying, quote, the lab escape version of this

01:20:35.100 is so friggin likely to have happened because they were already doing this type of work.

01:20:40.220 And the molecular data is fully consistent with that scenario.

01:20:43.900 He would later go on to say and Fauci would go on to say it wasn't from the lab and they

01:20:49.040 weren't doing this kind of work.

01:20:50.440 Well, which is it?

01:20:51.720 Because internally in Slack, you said both.

01:20:53.760 Then there's Robert Gary. 0.73

01:20:55.060 He came on this show, spewed a bunch of nonsense. 0.93

01:20:57.360 We had a very robust exchange. 0.80

01:20:58.700 Recommend people go back and listen.

01:21:00.440 He wrote, it's not crackpot to suggest this could have happened, meaning the lab leak.

01:21:06.280 Given the gain of function research we know is happening in Lipkin, yet another co-author

01:21:13.380 emailed on February 11th that there was the possibility of inadvertent release at the Institute

01:21:19.480 in Wuhan.

01:21:20.500 Given the scale of bat coronavirus research pursued there and the site of emergence of

01:21:27.340 first human cases, we have a nightmare of circumstantial evidence to assess.

01:21:33.360 And yet you'd never know that from the paper they released days later after Fauci and Collins

01:21:39.740 massaged it, something they denied touching.

01:21:42.980 Rand Paul tried to zero in on that with Fauci, too.

01:21:45.200 He wouldn't acknowledge that he had massaged it, worked it, overseen it.

01:21:48.580 And yet we see now in this correspondence they were thanking Fauci and Collins for their advice

01:21:54.840 and leadership as, quote, we have been working through the SARS COVID-2 origins paper.

01:22:02.220 Fauci replied two days later, not saying to Christiane Anderson, what are you saying?

01:22:05.580 I had nothing to do with it, but replying nice job on the paper.

01:22:09.360 They were so close with these guys that they the pair was referred to as, quote, the Bethesda

01:22:14.480 Bois.

01:22:15.300 And of course, we also know that Christiane Anderson and others were in the midst of applying

01:22:20.120 for millions, multimillion eight point nine million dollar in the case of Anderson grant

01:22:24.800 that had to be approved by Fauci and Collins at this very time.

01:22:28.580 And it was approved two months later.

01:22:30.920 I mean, the whole system is disgusting. 0.96

01:22:32.920 It's corrupt. 0.86

01:22:33.800 And what are we talking about here?

01:22:36.020 A virus that killed millions of people, not as many as they say, but it did kill millions

01:22:41.260 of people and they don't give a damn. 0.93

01:22:43.340 They're not they're not after the truth, Rich.

01:22:45.300 They're not after the truth. 0.95

01:22:46.720 They're after covering up their own asses because of China, because they wanted to keep 0.99

01:22:51.120 working with China and cashing the checks that we get from China. 1.00

01:22:54.400 It's so cynical and corrupt. 0.89

01:22:57.780 Yeah, no, no, absolutely.

01:22:59.700 And also, it's just there's the corrupt motive.

01:23:04.120 But then there's also the, you know, we're quasi secretary of state's motives.

01:23:08.480 We're diplomats now where we need to micromanage how people regard China because we bad for

01:23:14.460 the world if they had a dimmer view of China, which just isn't their place.

01:23:18.720 Right.

01:23:19.340 You're a scientist.

01:23:20.480 You're supposed to be just passionate, focused on the facts.

01:23:24.460 Give us the facts.

01:23:26.100 And at the end of the day, it all came down to they thought people couldn't handle the

01:23:29.720 truth.

01:23:30.280 They thought people couldn't handle the nuance.

01:23:32.660 They thought people would draw the wrong conclusions from certain facts, so they weren't going

01:23:37.400 to be shared.

01:23:39.100 And and they they have set a torpedo in the bow of their own institutions as a result.

01:23:45.880 MBD, it's I realize people are kind of over covid, but we can't we can't be so over it

01:23:51.860 that we don't hold these people accountable.

01:23:53.280 I mean, Fauci's right now this lauded professor at at Georgetown at the med school.

01:23:58.520 And what's the other school he's teaching at there?

01:24:01.400 Hold on.

01:24:02.620 The School of Medicine and the McCourt School of Public Policy.

01:24:05.300 He's still a superhero.

01:24:06.500 He's still cashing checks.

01:24:08.200 He's he he could still get a government grant.

01:24:10.560 He was pushing for billions of dollars to study vaccines as of this time last year.

01:24:15.600 Right.

01:24:16.160 And it is a.

01:24:19.380 Fauci is a product also of the system, right?

01:24:21.980 I mean, the system, we decided to centralize the funding of almost all scientific pursuit through

01:24:28.060 two agencies, NIH and NIAID, run by during the pandemic, Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci.

01:24:36.480 So almost every science professor working in the country depends on the good favor from

01:24:43.940 Fauci and Collins for their basic research budget, which they have, which their colleges

01:24:49.360 and universities make them apply for from the government.

01:24:52.480 And, you know, this this system makes it impossible to have independence of thought.

01:24:59.720 And it's not just the medical industry.

01:25:02.820 Like I like I was saying, this this this ethos that is stirring up, you know, populist revolt

01:25:09.500 everywhere is everywhere.

01:25:12.480 I mean, it is as if almost every institution was under threat by wokeism, right? 0.97

01:25:20.720 Which is this idea that basically you can always serve a woke purpose, even above the

01:25:27.300 interests of the institution you work for, whether it's the New York Times and you're

01:25:31.360 criticizing the Tom Cotton op-ed, whether it's Netflix and you're criticizing Dave Chappelle's

01:25:36.060 comedy special, people expected to behave in ways that would normally get you fired, but

01:25:42.540 to get away with it because they were serving this higher purpose.

01:25:45.400 And in fact, they were serving the party interests, right?

01:25:48.700 The higher party.

01:25:50.120 And, you know, this is this is what distinguished the free world from communism in the Cold War

01:25:57.040 was that the free world had free institutions that pursued their own goals based on the the

01:26:02.920 the standards of those professions, those avocations, those enterprises, artistic, scientific

01:26:10.300 business, etc., that they don't have to answer to a party official.

01:26:15.680 But we've had this spirit invade our institutions of, no, there's this higher goal of serving

01:26:21.480 liberalism or serving progressivism that's corrupted all these institutions.

01:26:25.440 And it makes people nuts.

01:26:27.640 It makes people anxious to believe these conspiracy theories, and it makes people inside these

01:26:35.660 institutions conspire across them, right, to violate their own ethical guidelines for

01:26:42.040 their professions and their their institutions.

01:26:45.140 It's happening right now.

01:26:46.320 To serve this higher purpose.

01:26:47.460 It's happening right now in the American Medical Association, in the American Academy of Pediatrics.

01:26:51.560 All of these folks are betraying their oath to protect children and be honest about, you

01:26:57.020 know, hormones and cross gender sex hormones and so on.

01:27:01.700 They're lying.

01:27:02.320 And more and more you're seeing whistleblowers, for lack of a better term, come out and say

01:27:06.920 like, this is wrong.

01:27:07.840 What we're doing is wrong.

01:27:08.780 And of course, once again, the UK, the UK and other countries overseas are seeing reason

01:27:13.720 before we do being honest about it.

01:27:15.940 But we like it there's so many institutions that have just bent the knee to, as you point

01:27:22.300 out, woke ism or some higher message that someone on high has told them that they must

01:27:27.740 deliver.

01:27:28.360 And of course, the irony in the case of the Fauci and the virologists and the lies about

01:27:33.060 the lab leak is those same many of those same virologists came out.

01:27:36.480 I mean, within days of saying it's friggin obvious what this is and called people who said

01:27:41.580 that racist, they use the word racist, these people, they cannot be trusted.

01:27:48.800 But here's one of my I got to take a break.

01:27:51.260 But here's my concern.

01:27:53.600 I.

01:27:55.440 I do not.

01:27:57.520 Believe in lizard people, I do not believe in shapeshifters, I do not believe that there 1.00

01:28:03.420 is a child sex ring being run out of a pizzeria in Washington, D.C. by Leon Panetta and Hillary

01:28:08.520 Clinton. And I do not wish to get to the point where I have such distrust in these institutions

01:28:12.780 that I start to believe those things.

01:28:15.200 Right. So you have to regulate the pull that of like these crazy theories that becomes more

01:28:24.200 attractive to you the more you distrust what used to be sort of the common threads that

01:28:29.480 we all could trust.

01:28:30.600 Right.

01:28:30.840 Yeah. So you should have a posture of radical doubt, but it shouldn't flip around and become

01:28:39.160 credulousness about other theories.

01:28:42.000 Right. We have a posture.

01:28:43.760 Well said.

01:28:44.660 The authorities are saying you doubt what certain right wing influencers are saying and try to

01:28:50.760 decide for yourself based on fact and reason as best they can be ascertained.

01:28:56.720 Can you say that again?

01:28:57.860 I like what you just said at the top of what you said.

01:29:01.020 That's good.

01:29:03.000 Yeah. So you should you should have a posture of radical doubt, but not just about one thing

01:29:07.160 or one set of people, because they might be selling you a bill of goods.

01:29:12.120 The authorities, we know that that's been established, so-called experts.

01:29:15.320 But then there are also people out there who make a good living shooting at what those experts

01:29:20.660 are saying and authorities are saying who also might be trying to sell you a bill of goods.

01:29:24.500 Yeah. So good.

01:29:26.220 Posh and radical doubt.

01:29:27.640 Trust no one and nothing.

01:29:29.940 It's like a memento, right?

01:29:31.600 What does that guy write on the Polaroid pictures?

01:29:35.000 I like it.

01:29:35.880 That's that's that's news we can use.

01:29:37.940 Stand by.

01:29:38.500 You can trust Rich and MBD and they'll be right back after this quick break.

01:29:42.220 Andrew Cuomo back in the news.

01:29:47.340 Thanks to not Fredo, his brother, Chris, but the sister, the sister has been doing all

01:29:55.280 sorts of things that The New York Times found out about and to its credit reported on.

01:30:00.560 It's such a juicy piece.

01:30:02.040 I recommend everybody go read it.

01:30:03.480 It's called The Secret Hand Behind the Women Who Stood by Cuomo.

01:30:07.560 Cuomo. And it ends with it's his sister.

01:30:10.740 Her name is Madeline.

01:30:11.720 She's, I think, the youngest of the Cuomo siblings.

01:30:14.240 And it turns out she's been manipulating this group, the pro Andrew Cuomo group called We Decide

01:30:19.860 New York. So she has been during the entire time like women were coming forward and he was

01:30:25.660 under investigation, manipulating this group of women in their 50s, 60s and 70s to do hit pieces 0.57

01:30:32.260 on each of the women who came forward to do rehab pieces, not just on Andrew Cuomo, but on Chris

01:30:38.200 Cuomo as well, who she convinced them to portray as some sort of a superhero.

01:30:43.620 And this woman sounds absolutely vicious. 1.00

01:30:48.120 She there's an attack on a woman named Charlotte Bennett, one of she's a former aide to Andrew.

01:30:53.480 She sued him over sexual harassment claims and she was one of the first to come forward.

01:30:56.660 Um, one of the messages read your life will be dissected like a frog in a high school science

01:31:03.940 class. Well, um, this was a post that was part of a thread written by a leader of We Decide New

01:31:11.220 York and secretly ordered up by Madeline Cuomo. They have got the actual texts and they go through

01:31:19.200 them. So this is an exchange. There's an example. Um, this is Madeline Cuomo. Good morning.

01:31:24.480 Just spoke and he thinks a distraction could be helpful today. Referring to Andrew. Uh, she

01:31:30.440 suggested posting quote photos of Charlotte in her sex kit and straddle taken from Ms. Bennett's

01:31:35.880 Instagram account, potentially alongside quote more austere professional ones of loyal Cuomo aids.

01:31:42.380 She adds no respectable woman would ever pose like that. Went on bimbo photos, really despicable, 1.00

01:31:49.240 unsophisticated girls. Oh, bimbo. Really? Because I remember the left 1.00

01:31:53.520 after yours truly asked Donald Trump a question about using that word freaking out about the fact

01:31:58.800 that he had used it. And yet I don't think they're going to have the same reaction to the sister of

01:32:03.840 the disgraced governor calling these women bimbos and having been behind a months long campaign of

01:32:11.560 smearing all of them. She now claims without Andrew's notice, but all the text messages say

01:32:17.080 she's in contact with him and he's giving all these ladies a big thumbs up. So what does this tell us

01:32:22.300 about media and politics today? MBD?

01:32:27.580 Well, it hasn't changed in some ways. I mean, this is a replay of the, the strategy that was deployed on,

01:32:34.400 on Monica Lewinsky, right. Was, you know, Bill Clinton had subordinates like, you know,

01:32:41.860 Blumenthal or others go out to the media and try to smear her as some like money grubbing, 1.00

01:32:47.580 sex maniacal, um, you know, femme fatale and to, to smear her in the media, a white house intern. 1.00

01:32:58.680 Uh, the, the wrinkle in this one is it's in the family. It's the sister doing it, which is even 0.98

01:33:02.960 more hilarious and reminds me of the, you know, the long-term, you know, cancer that is, uh, that are

01:33:09.220 these political families in the United States, you know, the Kennedys, the Cuomos, they enable each

01:33:14.580 other, uh, uh, across, uh, generations and across, you know, family, nuclear family lines. I mean,

01:33:22.620 it's, it's absolutely outrageous that he's, that his sister is like basically running this scheme

01:33:28.620 and then asking these other ladies, delete my text messages to try to cover tracks. Um, it's super

01:33:36.120 comical though, uh, because in a way it, it shows how exposed and empty politicians really are like

01:33:44.640 that. And in fact, like all the loyalty they have is conditional on their success, uh, except for the,

01:33:52.460 you know, maybe a few family members that stick by them through the muck and the mud. But, um,

01:33:57.280 I don't know. It's, it's fun to see the pigs in mud. I mean, I, I, I took my kids to pregnancy 0.91

01:34:01.520 all the time. This is the believe all women crowd, Rich. Chris Cuomo was out there digging

01:34:09.000 up dirt on the accusers. Now we know Madeline Cuomo was out there trying to slut shame the 1.00

01:34:13.620 accusers. What do you mean? I thought we're supposed to believe all women in UC every day. That was all 0.80

01:34:18.740 a bullshit lie. Yeah. The thing is though, I think if you put Madeline, that's her name, 1.00

01:34:23.820 if you put her, uh, subjected to her lie detector test now and ask whether she's fanatically in favor

01:34:30.340 of me too, and the ultimate feminist, she would say yes and probably pass. They're just like total

01:34:36.300 lack of, of self-awareness or awareness of her own hypocrisy. And there's a great phrase from 0.90

01:34:42.380 social science, amoral familialism, which is like loyalty to your own family is a good thing,

01:34:48.460 right? It's the basis of reality in many ways, but you can take it too far. And I think the,

01:34:53.980 I'm forgetting the name of the social scientists who came up with this phrase, but I believe it's

01:34:57.420 studying Southern Italy, where there's a total lack of social trust, a total, uh, lack of investment

01:35:03.040 in institutions, like, you know, major theme of this podcast over the last two hours or so,

01:35:07.260 but a fanatical commitment to your own. And that's what we've, we've seen with the,

01:35:12.400 with the Cuomo's with Chris and now, now this, this sister doing it behind the scenes to, to

01:35:19.620 maneuver, to try to save a reputation that wasn't worth saving.

01:35:24.240 Hold on to power. Another text she writes, because one of Andrew's accusers was an unnamed state

01:35:30.220 trooper. She writes, I think we should use current sentiment around police and authority in our favor

01:35:34.760 to undercut, undercut her troopers, her credibility. Can you run the Chris Cuomo soundbite? I think we

01:35:40.140 have time to run it, run it really quick and run it, run it, run it, run it. Listen.

01:35:44.580 People in power want to keep it now for good and bad reason. Good reason. Well, they believe they

01:35:50.940 can use it to the advantage of their constituents and maybe more. The bad reason works for them.

01:35:56.800 Power's good to have in America. Get you, get things done. Gives you advantage, gives you respect,

01:36:02.620 gives you legitimacy. Yeah. Just ask a Cuomo because they were all in on it together.

01:36:09.440 Guys, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for coming on. See you again soon. The pleasure

01:36:14.960 was all mine. And thanks to all of you for listening today. Tomorrow, we're actually doing

01:36:19.020 something a little different and I'm excited to bring this to you. The first of a series of shows

01:36:22.560 on sexual health. Yes, we're starting with the men. Then we'll move on to the women. So tune in. 0.80

01:36:28.420 We're going there. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:36:35.440 Okie-men, and no fear.

01:36:40.660 Thank you guys.

01:36:42.960 Okay.

01:36:44.600 Please.

01:36:45.240 Do it.

01:36:47.000 Thank you so much.

01:36:48.680 Thank you.

01:36:48.960 Bye-bye.

01:36:51.020 Bye-bye.

01:36:52.020 Bye-bye.

01:36:53.020 Bye-bye.

01:36:53.540 Bye-bye.

01:36:54.020 Bye-bye.

01:36:54.160 Bye-bye.

01:36:54.760 Bye-bye.

01:36:56.020 Bye-bye.

01:36:57.760 Bye-bye.

01:36:59.900 Bye-bye.

01:37:02.380 Bye-bye.

01:37:03.160 Bye-bye.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 08, 2023

NBC's Failed Abortion Fact-Check, and Biden's Gold Star Family Betrayal, with Rich Lowry and Michael Brendan Dougherty ｜ Ep. 603

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript