The Megyn Kelly Show - New Bombshell Kamala Plagiarism Reporting, and Kamala's Divisive Rhetoric, with Hogan Gidley, Doug Schoen, and Xi Van Fleet

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.900 Oh, we have a lot to get to today. We have a lot to get to.

00:00:17.480 Did you see the report coming out of John Ralston in Nevada?

00:00:22.080 Like, he's the guy on Nevada, and it is not good news for Kamala Harris.

00:00:27.060 Is her campaign falling apart?

00:00:30.000 I mean, is this like the, you know, I'm from Albany, New York.

00:00:32.940 We go up to Saratoga every August.

00:00:35.100 We watch the horses run.

00:00:36.540 You always want your horse to be kind of in third, right about one third of the way to go.

00:00:43.160 Like when there's one third left, you don't want your horse at first.

00:00:46.300 You don't want your horse in second.

00:00:48.020 And then that third horse usually pulls ahead and wins.

00:00:51.340 And it kind of feels like that's what's happening right now.

00:00:53.560 I could be totally wrong. Don't hold me to it.

00:00:55.460 Anything could still happen on election day.

00:00:57.040 But I, it feels like Trump is that third horse and he's, he's pulling forward.

00:01:03.360 He, and he's moved into the first position and Trump's never been ever in the first position

00:01:10.100 in these presidential races ever.

00:01:12.380 They're always showing him behind seven points, six points.

00:01:15.400 Certainly at this time in the race, he was getting crushed by Hillary.

00:01:18.840 We know how that turned out.

00:01:19.860 And by Biden, yes, he lost to Biden, but by about 40,000 votes in the swing states.

00:01:24.580 I mean, it was tight, way tighter than the polls showed.

00:01:26.880 So what's happening?

00:01:29.500 Trump's ahead.

00:01:31.820 He's ahead in all states.

00:01:35.120 If you look at the real clear politics average, he, I mean, I don't even want to say it out loud.

00:01:39.660 Like there's two weeks to go, literally two weeks from today.

00:01:44.040 And, um, Nevada is supposed to be her worst state, but not according to the early voting,

00:01:49.140 early voting Trump's, well, you don't, can't say he's winning, but the Republican vote is higher

00:01:57.300 than the Dem in Nevada, Nevada.

00:02:01.060 That's her best state of the swings.

00:02:03.820 Okay.

00:02:04.340 We're going to get to all that.

00:02:05.860 Uh, we've got all this coverage for you today, but I want to start with something else.

00:02:08.900 If this report had appeared as it should have on the front of the New York times

00:02:15.100 about Donald Trump, it would be everywhere.

00:02:17.600 But instead it was published in the Washington free beacon, which has been doing amazing work.

00:02:23.400 This entire election cycle, these guys are unafraid to go where no one else will go

00:02:28.540 and really solid reporting.

00:02:31.160 I mean, they've got staff, they, they dig deep.

00:02:33.920 This is Eliana's publication.

00:02:35.860 Um, and they've got one out today and it's a doozy about vice president Kamala Harris

00:02:40.380 and bombshell new reporting about her past plagiarism.

00:02:44.920 Now, when we had Tucker on, we talked to you briefly about the Chris Ruffo report that,

00:02:49.920 uh, outlined how she had plagiarized large sections of her book that got zero pickup by

00:02:56.080 the mainstream other than to dismiss it.

00:02:58.040 The New York times brought in some expert to say, oh, it's really not serious.

00:03:01.280 And they had only given that expert small portions of Chris Ruffo's evidence.

00:03:05.240 And when the guy saw the full evidence, he's like, oh, well, this is more serious than I

00:03:08.520 thought.

00:03:08.900 Jeez.

00:03:09.180 I hadn't seen this when I commented to the times and then it was lost into the ether.

00:03:14.540 Well, in comes the free beacon with a brand new host of examples of Kamala Harris outright

00:03:21.660 stealing other people's work.

00:03:24.340 This time, uh, they include her services, a California attorney general, where she lifted

00:03:30.740 according to the free beacon, a fictionalized story about a sex trafficking victim, and then

00:03:35.840 presented it as a real case to paint her office in a good light.

00:03:41.080 It was a fabrication.

00:03:42.660 She changed it, suggested it was real and her own to make her office look good.

00:03:48.860 The incredible investigation comes from Aaron Sibomariam.

00:03:53.280 He's been great at the beacon and it includes several different examples that they have

00:03:57.620 uncovered.

00:03:58.180 We're going to walk you through them.

00:03:59.260 The first example is from 2007.

00:04:01.900 She was then DA in San Francisco.

00:04:04.520 She testified before Congress about a bill that would have created a student loan repayment

00:04:09.640 program for state and local prosecutors as an incentive to keep them from leaving public

00:04:15.680 service for high paying law firms.

00:04:17.640 However, virtually her entire written testimony was lifted from another district attorney in

00:04:25.320 Illinois, half the country away, a man named Paul Logley, who happens to be a Republican.

00:04:32.380 Look at these full screens.

00:04:34.100 It's not important to be able to read them, meaning these are graphics.

00:04:36.940 It's not important to be able to read them because they're in tiny print here, though you

00:04:40.300 can if you go to the free beacon.

00:04:41.660 What's important is that you see the highlighted red sections showing it's the same speech on the

00:04:47.600 left is the testimony from Paul Logley, and on the right is the testimony from Kamala Harris.

00:04:54.080 As the testimony goes on, you can see the majority of it is highlighted in red, meaning it's the

00:05:01.060 same.

00:05:01.380 Per the free beacon, the submitted written statements even contain the same typos such such as missing

00:05:09.180 punctuation or mistaken plurals.

00:05:13.060 One error, a who that should have been a whom was corrected in Kamala Harris's version, which the beacon

00:05:22.260 points out is more damning for her.

00:05:25.660 She went through and tried to, like, clean it up knowing it wasn't hers, trying to make it sound a little

00:05:31.760 better, but didn't change any of the substance.

00:05:35.140 According to the beacon, 80% of Harris's speech was stolen, they say copied verbatim, from Logley.

00:05:43.260 Okay, now to a different allegation.

00:05:45.960 This one is about sex trafficking.

00:05:47.560 This happened in 2012, when Kamala Harris had ascended to the attorney general spot in the

00:05:53.720 state of California.

00:05:54.800 She released a report titled The State of Human Trafficking in California, 2012.

00:06:01.000 The report touted how many trafficking investigations her office had launched and how many arrests

00:06:05.640 they had made.

00:06:07.320 Per the beacon, one section of the report included stories about victims of sex trafficking.

00:06:12.180 It told the story of a woman named Kelly from San Francisco.

00:06:15.600 According to the report, Kelly, quote, had lived in a motel where her pimp forced her to engage

00:06:22.100 in prostitution, end quote.

00:06:23.800 But Kelly was able to contact a hotline and local law enforcement helped rescue her from

00:06:28.360 her pimp.

00:06:29.320 The story concluded stating, quote, Kelly is currently receiving services and helping law enforcement

00:06:34.720 to pursue a case against her pimp, end quote.

00:06:37.860 The problem here is Kelly doesn't exist.

00:06:42.460 This case did not happen.

00:06:45.060 At least it didn't happen in San Francisco.

00:06:47.220 It's an invention.

00:06:49.460 The beacon uncovered Kelly's story was actually from a Polaris project.

00:06:54.540 Polaris is a nonprofit that runs a national human trafficking hotline.

00:06:59.980 Five months earlier, Polaris had posted a series of stories that it said were, quote,

00:07:05.560 representative of the types of calls they receive.

00:07:11.720 So here again is the side by side.

00:07:14.180 On the left, you can see Kelly's story from Polaris.

00:07:18.420 Again, just a representative of the types of calls Polaris gets.

00:07:23.160 In the Polaris write-up, Kelly lives in Washington, D.C.

00:07:25.500 And on the other side, all in red, so you can see the same, the similarities, Harris is

00:07:31.360 retelling of Kelly's story as real, only now it's happening in San Francisco, for which

00:07:37.720 Kamala Harris has responsibility.

00:07:40.020 This is unbelievable.

00:07:41.420 She's too lazy to even figure out whether she has a real victim she can talk about when

00:07:45.640 she's stealing somebody else's crime stories.

00:07:49.140 Sex trafficking victims obviously exist.

00:07:51.700 It's actually not hard at all to find them.

00:07:53.700 They do call hotlines to get help.

00:07:57.140 But Harris's office is trying to show that Kelly, as a victim in San Francisco, that she

00:08:05.080 reached out to the local authorities there to get safety.

00:08:07.880 And last week, Chris Rufo reported that Harris had plagiarized portions of her 2009 book,

00:08:13.100 Smart on Crime, too.

00:08:14.680 Right?

00:08:14.840 So Harris uses this story, which is invented without realizing that, to make herself look

00:08:19.100 good.

00:08:19.340 And she did the same in her book, Smart on Crime.

00:08:23.860 This is the Rufo reporting.

00:08:25.340 As I mentioned, the New York Times yawned at it, writing in their headline, conservative

00:08:29.420 activist seizes on passages from Harris's book.

00:08:34.160 Seizes.

00:08:34.720 It's a pounce.

00:08:35.560 They pounced.

00:08:36.700 But as more examples pile up, will legacy media have to start paying attention?

00:08:40.920 This has ruined presidential campaigns before, including that of this now sitting president

00:08:46.420 when he was first running for president, back when everyone listening was a toddler.

00:08:51.660 In 1987, then-Senator Joe Biden's campaign for president ended after examples of his plagiarism

00:08:59.040 and lies were uncovered.

00:09:01.000 Oh, we were so cute then, weren't we?

00:09:02.420 We were quaint.

00:09:03.240 We cared about lying.

00:09:04.040 He was accused of lifting phrases from a British lawmaker and also from Robert F. Kennedy, Sr.

00:09:12.800 He was also accused of outright lying to voters about his law school career.

00:09:16.260 And back then, the legacy media did not let him get away with it.

00:09:19.620 Look at this report from Evening Newscast back when that story happened.

00:09:22.500 Senator Joseph Biden may have more explaining to do.

00:09:25.940 The new questions stem from taped remarks of Biden during an April campaign appearance

00:09:31.160 in New Hampshire.

00:09:32.380 I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic

00:09:38.980 scholarship.

00:09:39.820 Went back to law school and, in fact, ended up in the top half of my class.

00:09:43.900 I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year.

00:09:47.580 I graduated with three degrees from undergraduate school and 165 credits, only 123 credits.

00:09:53.060 Biden now concedes he did not graduate in the top half of his law school class, that

00:09:57.520 he does not have three degrees from college, and that he was not named outstanding political

00:10:01.600 science student in college.

00:10:03.420 Newsweek says Biden actually went to school on a half scholarship, ended up near the bottom

00:10:07.600 of his class, and won only one degree, not three.

00:10:12.120 I mean, think of the balls in doing that.

00:10:14.560 By the way, credit to Newsbusters for finding that old clip.

00:10:18.160 Who does that?

00:10:20.380 This reminds me of that cult leader, Keith Raniere, the guy who's now in prison for the

00:10:25.900 rest of his life because he started a cult, again, back in my hometown in Albany, with

00:10:29.740 a bunch of women who he convinced to be sex slaves, and he made people call him prefect.

00:10:34.520 And he said stuff like this about himself.

00:10:38.360 He said he graduated with like a 4.0, and he had a triple major, and none of that was true.

00:10:43.020 He had crappy grades.

00:10:44.360 He didn't have a triple major.

00:10:46.120 Like, that's who's the sitting president right now, a pathological liar about his own

00:10:51.540 biography.

00:10:52.860 And you know what?

00:10:53.820 He chose well for his number two because Kamala Harris appears to have the exact same problem.

00:11:00.360 But does it become an issue for her in the way that that one did for Joe Biden?

00:11:06.120 And we've seen other plagiarism scandals tank careers.

00:11:09.320 Does it exist as a scandal at all if the corporate media doesn't touch it?

00:11:16.660 Look at the Doug Emhoff story, allegedly abusing the girlfriend he was with prior to Kamala Harris.

00:11:22.380 Where's that?

00:11:23.340 No one's covered it.

00:11:24.540 No one.

00:11:25.860 No one.

00:11:27.500 We covered it.

00:11:29.020 Chris Cuomo spent a minute on it.

00:11:31.180 That's it.

00:11:32.500 No one is talking about it.

00:11:34.120 They've done a complete blackout of that story.

00:11:38.040 Why?

00:11:38.940 It was well-sourced.

00:11:39.880 It had three supporting witnesses.

00:11:41.020 It had paper receipts.

00:11:42.680 No.

00:11:43.820 They're not interested because it has the potential to hurt her.

00:11:47.380 So what happens with this one?

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00:13:18.760 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:13:19.940 Great to have you.

00:13:20.500 Thank you.

00:13:21.040 Thank you so much.

00:13:21.960 So let me start with you on it, Hogan.

00:13:23.760 Does this catch fire?

00:13:25.580 Does it have legs?

00:13:26.580 I don't think it has legs because, look, the media really participates in bias in two ways.

00:13:32.340 What they decide to cover and how they cover it.

00:13:35.540 They're obviously ignoring this because it hurts their chosen candidate.

00:13:39.640 It should be pointed out, though, Kamala Harris says consistently that she wouldn't do anything

00:13:43.840 differently than Joe Biden.

00:13:46.340 I guess that includes the plagiarism that Joe Biden committed back in the 80s as well.

00:13:51.140 She's so tied to this man at this point in time.

00:13:53.680 Yeah, I mean, they're exactly the same.

00:13:54.980 Now, just for a moment, I'm sure if you ask the family members of the 13 people who died

00:14:01.280 in Benghazi whether they wish Kamala Harris would do something different, I'm sure they wish

00:14:05.160 she would, I'm sure if you asked those who are victims of rape, murder, burglary, assault

00:14:11.420 by illegal aliens, I bet they'd want Kamala to do something different.

00:14:14.940 I'm sure the people out there paying more for gas and groceries would want Kamala Harris to do

00:14:18.920 something different.

00:14:20.380 But in this particular instance, it goes to a bigger problem with Kamala Harris, and that is

00:14:25.880 she is contrived.

00:14:27.380 She is manufactured.

00:14:29.260 She is a made-up caricature of a candidate that we all knew, if given enough time,

00:14:35.160 would be exposed.

00:14:36.980 The concern was here that because this campaign was short, remember, she called Joe Biden a

00:14:42.440 rapist and a racist from a debate stage and had t-shirts made and never even got to the

00:14:47.700 first vote in the Democrat primary.

00:14:50.020 In this particular instance, the concern, though, was once she was given the moniker of being

00:14:55.040 the standard bearer of the Democrat Party, not getting any votes, of course, just gifted

00:14:59.600 to her, we were concerned on the right that the condensed timeframe of this would not allow

00:15:04.760 these type of stories to come out and eventually permeate into all the minds of Americans and

00:15:09.980 cause them to pause and wonder, is she real?

00:15:13.860 This is never really probably going to be a big story for the mainstream media.

00:15:18.580 But folks out there who are paying attention, this is just kind of an underscoring, an underlining

00:15:25.160 of the concern they just inherently have with Kamala Harris, that she is fake and that she is phony.

00:15:30.840 So what do you think, Chuck?

00:15:34.320 Well, I agree with Hogan that this is not going to become an issue.

00:15:38.220 And I don't think it's going to become an issue because we got two weeks to go.

00:15:43.840 The facts, while seemingly pretty clear, are somewhat complicated.

00:15:50.440 And I don't see a presidential election, particularly with a sympathetic mainstream media to Kamala

00:15:58.500 Harris doing what you are now doing, Megan, which is giving attention to issues that raise

00:16:05.440 questions about her character, her veracity, her integrity.

00:16:09.820 And yes, let's say it, even her commitment to democracy.

00:16:13.580 Yeah, I mean, just her honesty that to your point, Hogan, we've been taking a look at her

00:16:19.260 past.

00:16:19.840 I mean, one of the things I really would love to see is how many cases did she try?

00:16:25.460 You know, what is her actual record as a prosecutor?

00:16:28.140 It's very hard to find.

00:16:30.140 It really is like you've got to go to the court clerks.

00:16:32.560 You need paper records.

00:16:34.220 The DA's office, the San Francisco DA's office and court clerks are not going to be very

00:16:39.580 forthcoming, let's say, about her.

00:16:42.980 They're not in a mood to help people like me or others on the conservative side, you

00:16:48.080 know, digging for information on her.

00:16:49.960 And yet we know just from the research that we've done, Kamala Harris, this is via Politico

00:16:56.840 and according to citing an intercept analysis, that Kamala Harris originally ran for office.

00:17:06.200 It must have been, I'm trying to think, it must have been, uh, 2003 campaign.

00:17:12.100 No, but her AG campaign, cause it was 2003.

00:17:14.940 She said that she had, okay, well, she said that at that point that she had tried hundreds

00:17:22.900 of serious and violent felonies, including homicide, rape, and child sexual assault cases,

00:17:27.980 hundreds of them, hundreds.

00:17:29.400 And then what happened was, uh, her opponent, uh, the veteran criminal defense attorney,

00:17:36.880 Bill Fazio said, you lied.

00:17:38.800 You did not handle hundreds at best.

00:17:41.580 You handled tens.

00:17:43.580 And she was forced to admit, okay, I've tried about 50 cases.

00:17:48.040 Now that's a big difference.

00:17:49.920 You've tried hundreds versus you've tried 50 and I've never heard her talk about it.

00:17:56.500 You know, Hogan, I like real trial lawyers.

00:17:58.940 And I know a ton of them, a ton of them, criminal and civil alike.

00:18:04.040 They've got so many war stories.

00:18:06.040 It's very easy for them to recall back.

00:18:08.500 This is what I learned in that one.

00:18:10.060 This, she does the little John Wayne routine.

00:18:11.840 Like I've tried the criminal trends and national drug gangs, but she doesn't actually tell you

00:18:17.320 about the stories about the cases.

00:18:19.980 I, something smells there.

00:18:21.680 I'm just saying.

00:18:22.440 And the one she does pull is kind of a fake one.

00:18:25.940 The one she kind of points to in that, in the script you just pointed out on the front

00:18:29.320 end.

00:18:29.980 Um, but a curious media could have easily gotten to the bottom of these claims by Kamala Harris.

00:18:36.040 This is a pattern.

00:18:37.080 It goes to a larger narrative that is developing about Kamala Harris.

00:18:41.000 Remember that story she tells when she was like in a stroller at a civil rights march and

00:18:46.460 someone asks, what do you want, dear?

00:18:48.160 And she says, freedom, and everyone laughs, which is a story lifted, I think, from MLK

00:18:52.960 Jr., if I'm not mistaken.

00:18:54.720 But still, it's these types of things that continue to trickle out that damage her.

00:18:59.520 But the American people are already concerned and nervous about who she is as a candidate,

00:19:05.920 as an office holder, and as a person.

00:19:08.520 Because remember, it was a year ago that the mainstream media was actually writing stories

00:19:13.040 that said, Joe Biden has a Kamala Harris problem.

00:19:16.380 Kamala Harris is the most unpopular vice president in history.

00:19:21.300 They knew all of these things were problems for her, and they can try to make fetch happen

00:19:26.500 all they want to.

00:19:27.820 It's very difficult to sell a bad product.

00:19:30.840 And when you have someone like Kamala Harris that continues to get caught in lie after lie,

00:19:35.140 all it does for those who are skeptical is go, yeah, I knew there was something that wasn't

00:19:40.080 right there.

00:19:41.060 Now I have some more information.

00:19:42.840 I realize she's not right for the country either.

00:19:44.860 Here's the other thing.

00:19:47.500 So Kamala Harris, you know, she wants to tell us that she's from Oakland.

00:19:50.360 She was born in Oakland.

00:19:51.400 She was raised in Montreal.

00:19:53.180 Right.

00:19:53.600 She was raised in Canada.

00:19:54.700 She wasn't even raised in America.

00:19:56.620 And she wants us to believe she had this very humble middle class background.

00:20:00.020 Both of her parents were PhDs.

00:20:01.920 Her mother was this storied scientist from India who came over.

00:20:05.600 And her father was the first tenured economics, black tenured economics professor at Stanford.

00:20:10.700 I mean, this is not exactly the, you know, working to middle class roots that she'd like

00:20:15.680 us to believe.

00:20:16.340 There are questions about whether she ever worked at McDonald's.

00:20:18.600 And then on top of all this, we learned this week, Doug, that she started off, she went,

00:20:26.340 she transferred into Howard from her college in Canada.

00:20:28.940 And then she went to University of California, Hastings College of Law in San Francisco.

00:20:34.420 We just found out that she used this, it's called the Legal Education Opportunity Program.

00:20:41.000 And she was part of it.

00:20:42.160 And I believe that means to get in.

00:20:44.220 We had this at my law school too.

00:20:46.180 A lot of law schools have this, where you're trying to increase your diversity.

00:20:50.960 And by that, I mean people of color.

00:20:52.980 They don't care about working class diversity, et cetera, although they'll say they do.

00:20:56.320 Um, but you're trying to get more minority students in and they lower the academic standards

00:21:00.660 generally.

00:21:01.380 And then they let those people start the summer before law school starts to give them a head

00:21:05.380 start, to help them out, to give them a little like prep on what to expect.

00:21:09.500 And to be honest, if it's anything like my law school, a lot of these people fail, fail

00:21:12.580 out the first year, um, because they shouldn't have been at this law school.

00:21:16.440 They should have been another law school that if any, that matches up better with their

00:21:19.440 skillset.

00:21:19.920 But she took advantage of this, um, and she would have had to document her disadvantaged

00:21:27.520 educational, economic, social, or physical background, including a personal essay detailing

00:21:34.260 the adversity she had encountered.

00:21:36.480 So I don't know what she did to get in, but she used this.

00:21:39.460 She used this obviously to get into law school.

00:21:41.760 She failed her bar exam.

00:21:43.540 This is not, this is not an impressive record for someone who wants to be president, Doug.

00:21:49.900 This is, this has got Harriet Myers vibes to me.

00:21:53.760 The woman who was such a disaster, George W.

00:21:56.240 Bush had to withdraw her name as a Supreme court nominee.

00:22:00.920 Yeah, I, I don't think there's anything Megan about her record that is particularly impressive.

00:22:07.360 And I think, um, more generally what I see in the polls is that voters are beginning to

00:22:14.980 understand that there's really no, they're there with Kamala Harris, whether it be her

00:22:21.960 record as a law student, as a lawyer, as a prosecutor, as an attorney general, uh, there

00:22:30.040 doesn't appear to be any overarching argument she can make other than I'm the same as Joe

00:22:39.340 Biden and whatever positions I've taken that are unpopular, I'm only too happy to alter

00:22:47.240 to fit the political climate.

00:22:49.600 So what I see, Megan, is a problem that goes beyond integrity to inauthenticity, which I think

00:22:58.620 as election day approaches is actually the larger issue that she faces because voters

00:23:06.300 are seeing that there's no record, there's no agenda for the future, and there's no sense

00:23:12.500 of character about her that gives people real confidence.

00:23:17.580 Yes.

00:23:18.060 I mean, all of this background dovetails perfectly with what we've been seeing from her on this

00:23:23.700 show.

00:23:24.040 So we pay very close attention to the remarks she makes publicly since she started speaking

00:23:28.860 to see what we can glean about her because she has remained somewhat of a mystery.

00:23:33.600 And what we're learning is there is a reason for this empty talk that she gives.

00:23:39.740 There doesn't appear to be more there, Hogan.

00:23:42.840 And I'll tell you what, in getting ready for today, we looked at the three town halls she did.

00:23:47.860 She just did.

00:23:49.420 And what we saw was the exact lines that she's been using on the campaign trail thus far

00:23:56.520 repeated over and over.

00:23:59.320 And sometimes in the same event, she would forget that she'd already given that exact answer

00:24:06.080 in response to an earlier question.

00:24:08.400 And she would just repeat it.

00:24:10.360 I mean, it's almost like to the point where you're wondering if there's a Stepford thing

00:24:13.780 going on, like the machine has malfunctioned.

00:24:15.980 Someone's got to control all delete in there to get it's got a reboot.

00:24:19.940 It doesn't realize it's already done all this.

00:24:22.480 There's truly like there there's nothing to connect to.

00:24:26.200 And all of this explains it because she doesn't have a lifetime of accomplishment.

00:24:30.840 She has a lifetime of being dishonest about her alleged accomplishments all the way through

00:24:35.520 to congressional testimony, to her book.

00:24:38.360 Um, now she ascends to these very powerful positions, at least on paper, and she's asked

00:24:44.760 to go run for president and she can't do it.

00:24:47.780 So what we get is just repeat the line, repeat the line, repeat the line.

00:24:52.660 Here's a sample.

00:24:54.360 Um, Monday, three events in three different swing states.

00:24:59.560 Take a listen to Kamala Harris and Sot4.

00:25:01.480 So I've now, as vice president, met over 150 world leaders, presidents, prime ministers,

00:25:08.140 chancellors, and kings.

00:25:09.040 Many of them multiple times to the point we're on at first.

00:25:11.380 A thousand times.

00:25:12.260 President met over 150 world leaders, presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings.

00:25:17.760 Met over 150 world leaders.

00:25:20.400 Presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings.

00:25:22.840 We have traditionally been able to walk in those rooms, chin up, shoulders back.

00:25:28.020 Chin up, shoulders back.

00:25:29.580 We walk in, chin up, shoulders back.

00:25:33.780 I have said many times publicly, and I'll say it again, in many, many ways, Donald Trump

00:25:38.700 is an unserious man.

00:25:40.320 I do believe Donald Trump to be an unserious man.

00:25:43.820 And I've said publicly, Donald Trump is an unserious man.

00:25:47.440 The vast majority of us have so much more in common than what separates us.

00:25:50.920 Have so much more in common than what separates us.

00:25:53.820 That the vast majority of us have more in common than what separates us.

00:25:56.980 You know, we are an ambitious people.

00:25:58.700 We are aspirational.

00:26:01.100 We have dreams.

00:26:02.340 We are an ambitious people.

00:26:05.900 We have aspirations.

00:26:07.600 We have dreams.

00:26:08.400 Oh my gosh.

00:26:10.480 Hogan.

00:26:11.640 It's brutal.

00:26:12.540 It, the reason it sounds empty is because it is empty, because she is empty.

00:26:20.160 She offers nothing.

00:26:21.980 Now, do politicians give a lot of the same speeches all of the time?

00:26:26.360 Absolutely.

00:26:27.320 But something Doug hit on, the word I think is so important, is inauthentic.

00:26:30.900 This isn't even a speech, Hogan.

00:26:32.700 It's a Q&A.

00:26:33.860 Sorry, keep going.

00:26:35.100 Yes, but these things are rehearsed on their side.

00:26:38.240 Listen, there was that story that came out.

00:26:39.900 She had that, like, dinner party planned.

00:26:42.000 And so she made her staff sit down with her at a table and even pour wine so she could practice

00:26:47.260 having a dinner party coming up.

00:26:48.720 She could have stood at that McDonald's drive-thru counter for a year practicing that and not

00:26:54.900 been able to pull off what Donald Trump did.

00:26:57.560 Of course, these things are staged and set up.

00:27:00.300 But Donald Trump goes in there and he is a billionaire businessman and is comfortable

00:27:05.000 with everybody he's around.

00:27:07.580 He makes them feel like they're the only person in the room.

00:27:10.980 The media is not angry at Donald Trump because that whole thing at McDonald's failed.

00:27:14.980 They're angry at him because it succeeded, and it succeeded showing the difference between

00:27:21.020 someone like Donald Trump and someone like Kamala.

00:27:23.860 You hit on it.

00:27:24.760 It is the Control-Alt-Delete.

00:27:26.560 It's almost Manchurian-ish.

00:27:28.460 She is prepped and pre-designed and pre-programmed to say certain things at certain times.

00:27:35.180 And even though she is given the questions in advance, even though she is given the answers

00:27:40.780 in advance, they are scripted, ready to go, they still don't say anything that would do

00:27:46.040 a single thing to fix the problems she herself created as vice president of the United States.

00:27:53.720 And she looks around like all of these things in her campaign and all of these things in

00:27:58.100 the country are happening to her, but they're happening because of her and her policies and

00:28:03.640 her laziness every time I see this.

00:28:07.320 Okay.

00:28:08.340 All right.

00:28:08.740 So I want to give you an example of some of what we're seeing here.

00:28:11.640 So, Doug, you saw that first montage we did.

00:28:14.280 We're being very fair.

00:28:15.420 We're not taking it out of context.

00:28:16.820 We watch the whole thing.

00:28:17.940 We watch all three of the town halls, and we've been watching everything she does.

00:28:21.240 This audience is far more familiar with Kamala Harris's speech than they want to be.

00:28:26.220 Here is—this is her answering two different questions in Pennsylvania and Michigan.

00:28:32.620 Take a listen to Top 5.

00:28:33.500 How do you propose to help bridge this gap, making both child and elder care more affordable

00:28:40.160 for hardworking families?

00:28:41.780 You are a part of what we call the sandwich generation.

00:28:46.560 I actually bring a personal experience to it as well.

00:28:48.820 I took care of my mother when she was sick.

00:28:54.680 And that work is the work of trying to cook something that they feel like eating.

00:29:01.400 What would you say to people like myself who are part of these traditionally conservative communities

00:29:07.820 who want to move forward but are feeling the pressures of the political divide?

00:29:15.140 I—actually, personal story, I took care of my mother when she was sick.

00:29:19.800 It's about trying to cook something they feel like eating.

00:29:24.580 Oh, my God.

00:29:25.760 That second question had nothing to do with the sandwich generation or taking care of your mother.

00:29:31.200 And once again—and what—how inane is it's about cooking something they want to eat.

00:29:37.380 Like, Doug, I'm—there's nothing to hold on to.

00:29:40.540 As a Democrat, as a lifelong Democrat, you must—this is the weakest Democrat politician

00:29:47.700 they've ever presented us to consider for president.

00:29:51.440 Well, it's why they want and wanted as short a campaign as possible, because the less time

00:29:59.740 people have and had to get to know her, the better she did.

00:30:04.680 She is in what I think is a decline.

00:30:08.880 It's not precipitous, Megan.

00:30:10.860 But as people see that they're, as I said before, no, they're there.

00:30:15.100 There's no substance.

00:30:17.460 Increasingly, they're either moving to undecided.

00:30:20.180 Some numbers are moving to Trump.

00:30:23.160 And I would say to you and to Hogan, if Trump were able to focus more on the bread and butter

00:30:31.640 issues that people care about and talk about the specifics of his agenda going forward,

00:30:39.300 those voters who are now getting somewhat dismayed with Kamala Harris will have a reason to vote

00:30:49.180 for Trump.

00:30:50.140 Trump, as of yet, has not closed this sale, which is why, despite a very narrow lead,

00:30:57.520 the race is still too close to call.

00:31:00.500 There's one more I want to show you, Hogan.

00:31:05.400 The word salad, which we all know, I mean, many people have compared it to the kid who

00:31:10.980 hasn't read the book, who stands up and has to get the book report.

00:31:14.080 But I mean, we've all had the thing where you can't remember and you just start spitting

00:31:18.560 out filler words until you remember.

00:31:21.060 That's almost every answer for her.

00:31:22.960 The media is obsessed with trying to get us now to focus on Trump and the fact that,

00:31:26.500 oh, he rambles, he rambles, they don't point out.

00:31:31.100 All she does is ramble on with these word salads every third answer.

00:31:35.720 What is that if not a ramble?

00:31:37.560 She's not substantive.

00:31:39.480 Here's just the latest example from Monday in Pennsylvania.

00:31:42.480 I've counted that I have taken the oath of office six times.

00:31:48.580 And for the elected leaders here, we know it is an oath that one must take sincerely and

00:31:57.760 unequivocally, which is an oath, among other things, to support and defend the Constitution

00:32:05.160 of the United States and to understand what those principles represent and what they require

00:32:12.500 of the individual who holds the office in the public trust.

00:32:16.660 Think of that duty.

00:32:17.820 And it is a duty, by the way.

00:32:20.500 There are certain things in our lives that we have the choice if we feel like it.

00:32:25.460 And then there are certain things that are just fundamentally a duty, like to raise our

00:32:33.720 children, things of that nature.

00:32:36.000 It is a duty to take seriously that oath.

00:32:40.520 It's the same little phrases that she uses for Phil.

00:32:44.980 Who?

00:32:45.660 Why is she talking about the oath of office over and over?

00:32:48.800 Who cares?

00:32:49.940 To Doug's point, who does that motivate to vote for her?

00:32:53.880 Yeah, she finds one word and uses like seven derivations of that one word in two sentences.

00:33:01.340 And that's like the entire thing.

00:33:03.020 That's the shtick.

00:33:04.420 Boy, this campaign's come a long way since Joy and Vibes.

00:33:07.980 I was on TV recently arguing with a host, and I pointed out the fact that I'd spent $300

00:33:12.760 on groceries here in Washington, D.C., and they asked me how I wanted to pay.

00:33:16.120 I pulled my hand out of my pocket.

00:33:17.720 I said, you take Joy?

00:33:18.980 And they looked at me funny, and I said, oh, this must be a place that only takes vibes.

00:33:23.500 And they're like, what?

00:33:24.280 You need money, sir.

00:33:25.680 And the host kind of was like, ah, ha, ha, ha.

00:33:28.240 And I'm like, it's not ah, ha, ha for those people out there struggling to make ends meet.

00:33:32.260 They're looking for solutions.

00:33:33.740 And all they're getting are empty slogans and meaningless words from Kamala Harris and

00:33:39.720 these ramblings.

00:33:40.980 And you talked about it.

00:33:42.640 Mainstream media is never going to do the right thing and cover her honestly because it would

00:33:48.740 impugn them in various ways.

00:33:51.120 And of course, their desired outcome wouldn't be the case.

00:33:54.520 But she's had a billion dollars spent on her campaign, billions of dollars of free, good

00:34:00.560 publicity from the mainstream media.

00:34:02.860 The question isn't why isn't Donald Trump ahead?

00:34:05.580 It's widened Kamala up by 20 points.

00:34:08.200 And it's because of clips exactly like that, where the people in the room aren't fooled by

00:34:13.600 her voice slowing down and are taking these long pauses.

00:34:17.680 No one's fooled by this act.

00:34:20.220 That's it.

00:34:21.060 You guys are both saying the same thing.

00:34:22.700 And it's what I'm feeling on a visceral level that she can get out there and she can do this

00:34:27.320 routine as much as she wants in front of Brett Baer, in front of Oprah, in front of Maria Shriver.

00:34:33.880 But you can't fool the American people over time, Doug.

00:34:38.760 They're getting it, that this is an empty suit.

00:34:42.340 They don't know who she is or what she stands for.

00:34:46.400 And I'm just going to give you one more.

00:34:48.340 This was so indicative of what we're dealing with here.

00:34:52.540 The question that she gets asked here is, tell me three things about you that people don't

00:34:58.340 know about, right?

00:34:59.740 Like, if I said that to you, you could easily come up with a couple of things that most people

00:35:05.160 don't know about you.

00:35:06.220 You know, like, hey, I have a Gibson guitar with my name and mother of pearl on the neck

00:35:11.000 that John Rich gave to me with a note that reads, don't forget to practice, right?

00:35:15.680 There's one off the top of my head.

00:35:17.040 Whatever.

00:35:17.400 I had a dog that bit 17 people.

00:35:18.980 I can keep going.

00:35:21.140 I'm having a track record on my dogs, as it turns out.

00:35:23.500 Anyway.

00:35:23.680 So I didn't shoot him in the face like Kristi Noem did, though.

00:35:28.280 I let my dog have a nice, peaceful transition to the other side.

00:35:31.860 Anywho, anybody can do this, Doug.

00:35:34.520 But look how she answers this question.

00:35:37.380 And then Maria Shriver seems she turns to Liz Cheney, who's with Kamala Harris, for help.

00:35:41.660 It doesn't go much better.

00:35:42.840 Saw 10.

00:35:43.180 What are three things you can tell this audience about you that aren't in your ads, that people

00:35:50.800 aren't telling people on the robocalls, that perhaps they just wouldn't know, that might

00:35:56.320 give them a feeling for who you are as a robocall?

00:35:59.760 I have lived a full life.

00:36:03.120 I am a wife.

00:36:04.480 I am a mother.

00:36:05.460 I am a sister.

00:36:06.820 I am a godmother.

00:36:08.160 I love to cook.

00:36:09.300 Um, I started my career as a prosecutor.

00:36:13.840 I have, as vice president, met over 150 world leaders.

00:36:18.220 Presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings.

00:36:20.100 Oh, my gosh.

00:36:21.240 There is so much at stake in this election.

00:36:25.240 Liz Cheney, tell us, real quick, you've been spending human time with her.

00:36:30.720 Tell the audience what you see that perhaps, you know, the camera doesn't get or that you

00:36:36.220 have.

00:36:36.540 Well, I think that that what I could tell you is that what the vice president is saying

00:36:40.680 about wanting to be a president for all Americans, caring deeply about this country.

00:36:46.460 Those are things that that come across very, very clearly and very directly.

00:36:52.580 There's there is nothing, Doug.

00:36:54.620 She couldn't say one thing, not one thing.

00:36:58.160 Yeah, I'm, I'm a little speechless, because I think we all can.

00:37:04.160 And Megan, if you'll forgive me on a podcast, the most endearing thing that I know about you

00:37:10.440 that I'm not sure everybody knows, is how you met your husband.

00:37:14.740 And that is a lovely and warm story that I've heard you tell.

00:37:18.640 They'll probably best for another day.

00:37:20.680 But it speaks to your humanity, your concern, and ultimately, the strength of your union.

00:37:29.640 Oh, you're so sweet, Doug.

00:37:31.600 Thank you.

00:37:32.360 It's true.

00:37:32.660 And I remember when you told me and told others, put a big smile on my face.

00:37:37.820 Kamala Harris can't do that and won't do that.

00:37:40.240 Everyone can do that.

00:37:40.740 Because you're a real person.

00:37:41.280 Let me put you on the spot.

00:37:42.320 Tell me, tell me one thing, Doug, that the American public might not know about you.

00:37:45.200 Some interesting fact that they might not already know.

00:37:48.120 They probably would not know that, like you, I went to law school.

00:37:54.280 I had a father who was committed to me being a lawyer.

00:37:59.100 And when I went into business with Mark Penn some 40 years ago, he said that you're on your own.

00:38:06.600 I'm not going to help you.

00:38:08.180 You have a law degree.

00:38:09.840 I wish you good luck.

00:38:11.140 But don't ask, because the answer is no.

00:38:13.360 Well, and Megan, I tell you, I tell you that that was the greatest gift I could have been given.

00:38:19.460 Yeah, totally.

00:38:20.480 My mom said the same thing after, except it was after college, before law school.

00:38:24.060 And she said the financial umbilical cord is cut.

00:38:27.080 Hogan, give me one fact about you off the top of your head that people wouldn't know.

00:38:30.620 I do calligraphy.

00:38:31.960 I know how to do calligraphy.

00:38:33.120 My dad taught me how to do that.

00:38:35.260 That's interesting.

00:38:36.360 And that's a different aspect of your personality.

00:38:38.060 You're artistic.

00:38:39.140 You're aesthetic.

00:38:40.020 Why can't she do, why can't she even have like.

00:38:43.360 A pre-rehearsed answer on something like that, Hogan.

00:38:46.280 But did you not notice?

00:38:47.520 She also, as you pointed out, had to go to someone in Cheney, who the left called a warmonger,

00:38:56.280 who lost her own race by like 25 points, whose persona non grata, who the left hates and said,

00:39:02.620 hey, could you, the object of our ire for the last like two decades, could you bail out Kamala Harris, please?

00:39:10.920 Could you please humanize her?

00:39:12.500 Yes, please, please.

00:39:13.960 The one that we want to try for war crimes.

00:39:16.460 And she couldn't do it.

00:39:17.600 She couldn't do it.

00:39:18.320 And Kamala Harris's first answer is like, I'm a mom, I'm a wife, and I'm a vice president.

00:39:23.320 Well, those are things we all know.

00:39:25.140 My goodness.

00:39:26.220 It's just insane.

00:39:27.980 I'm a mom, I'm a sister.

00:39:30.820 You've got to be kidding me.

00:39:32.940 Like, everyone knows that.

00:39:34.900 We saw the Democratic National Convention.

00:39:37.220 I'm a wife.

00:39:38.400 I'm a lawyer.

00:39:40.340 She's just, she can't do it.

00:39:42.760 It really does concern me that we, we have an empty vessel and we are really close, not as close as

00:39:49.840 she'd like, but really close to elevating her to the most powerful position in the world.

00:39:55.800 I mean, I truly am starting to be like one of those people who's like, maybe, maybe it should

00:40:02.280 have been Biden.

00:40:03.040 I mean, I was as loud as anybody saying he can't possibly, he can't serve a second term, but I'm,

00:40:07.340 I'm really starting to think, I get it now.

00:40:09.340 I get why those top Democrats, Doug, were covering for him.

00:40:12.680 Like, I think they saw what we are all seeing, and they were like, you have no idea what you're

00:40:18.840 asking for, people.

00:40:21.020 What I would say, Megan, is, and I agreed and agree with you, he is not fit for a second term.

00:40:31.080 But I can say, even though I was happy he stood down, I understood in his State of the

00:40:40.780 Union and in some of his remarks, what he's been trying to accomplish, whether it be in

00:40:46.800 the Middle East or with Ukraine.

00:40:49.100 We might agree, we might disagree, but I had a sense of where the man stood at a variety of

00:40:56.380 different times.

00:40:56.960 With Kamala, I have no sense of where she stands on anything in any way.

00:41:02.800 It's all soundbites, talking points.

00:41:05.320 And I would say, and Hogan's in this business too, and I'm curious his reaction, pretty,

00:41:10.900 pretty lame talking points most of that time.

00:41:14.420 You don't really have much sense that you're getting to know her.

00:41:19.420 Mm-hmm.

00:41:20.360 There's nothing to know.

00:41:21.700 That's what we're gleaning.

00:41:22.580 There's no there there.

00:41:24.000 She seems like the most boring dinner companion ever.

00:41:27.620 Now I totally get why she had to rehearse her clever dinner conversation, because it doesn't

00:41:32.560 come naturally.

00:41:33.800 She probably doesn't read.

00:41:35.500 She doesn't have a vast wealth of personal or professional experience to draw from.

00:41:39.760 And she knows it.

00:41:41.420 So what she's done instead is make it all about Trump.

00:41:44.900 She's switched, as you point out, Hogan, from the joy to he's the devil incarnate, and that

00:41:50.080 we're hearing more and more.

00:41:50.860 We're seeing angry Kamala, never again, never, never.

00:41:55.320 He's going to unleash the military on the American people, which is a lie.

00:41:59.420 That is not what Trump said at all.

00:42:01.760 We've gone over it on the show time and time again.

00:42:03.760 And here yesterday, she almost slipped in Wisconsin and had a deplorables moment, expanding it beyond

00:42:12.240 just Trump is bad.

00:42:13.540 Listen here.

00:42:14.060 The notion over the last several years coming from Trump and those who follow him, meaning

00:42:22.020 people like who he's running with, not his voters, but just others.

00:42:25.940 The notion that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down.

00:42:34.500 It's just wrongheaded.

00:42:36.440 All right.

00:42:39.060 Yet again, a canned line she's used a million times, but you heard her there.

00:42:44.360 She slipped.

00:42:45.480 She, she, that's what she thinks of his supporters too.

00:42:47.720 And then she corrected herself before she landed it.

00:42:50.500 Sure.

00:42:51.060 And you've pointed out how many times she's been lying about Donald Trump.

00:42:54.340 Her closing argument for the last couple of days was basically more debates in a doctor's

00:42:58.760 note about his cholesterol.

00:42:59.740 That obviously didn't go anywhere, but she lied on that debate stage about the bloodbath

00:43:04.420 line, the debunked Charlottesville line.

00:43:07.680 He wants to write some crazy, sign some crazy bill about banning abortion.

00:43:12.160 That's not true.

00:43:13.300 He wants to raise taxes.

00:43:14.700 Obviously not true.

00:43:16.180 So her consistency is the fact that she focuses her entire campaign on her opponent and refuses

00:43:24.860 to tell people why she would be the better choice to improve their lives.

00:43:29.180 And in large part, I believe that's because she's been in a seat of power for four years

00:43:35.660 from which to do just that.

00:43:37.760 As I mentioned, the things we face today with high prices for gas and groceries, she's the

00:43:43.160 one who signed off and voted, you know, as a tie-breaking vote.

00:43:47.360 So we would have to do that.

00:43:48.620 She's the one who left the border wide open.

00:43:50.700 So all the things we're facing and fighting against right now in our personal lives, it's

00:43:55.840 because of her.

00:43:56.600 So if she talks about her own record, she's got a serious problem.

00:44:00.940 If she gets too close to Joe Biden, also a serious problem.

00:44:05.080 And so for the people out there watching this, they're seeing a candidate that really offers

00:44:10.340 them nothing except more of the same.

00:44:12.920 And from the campaign standpoint, they've got the problem of, we should put her out more.

00:44:17.780 Well, that means people are going to see that she's more radical than Joe Biden.

00:44:22.260 Sure.

00:44:22.740 But she's way less likable as well.

00:44:25.520 And so they have a lot of structural problems.

00:44:27.400 This thing is very close.

00:44:28.560 It still comes down to ground game.

00:44:30.000 And I understand all that.

00:44:31.460 But I'm telling you, I have seen this play out now for the last several months.

00:44:35.700 And it's shocking to me that even with the media covering for her and carrying her water, that

00:44:42.980 she's still not able to be leading in these swing states.

00:44:47.240 She needs to distance herself from Joe Biden, Doug.

00:44:50.460 But that's risky because Joe Biden still has some ardent supporters on Team Blue.

00:44:56.360 And he's still alive and sort of well.

00:45:01.540 Yeah.

00:45:01.820 And he doesn't seem to much like her pretending she wasn't part of his administration.

00:45:07.060 Right.

00:45:07.140 You know, we saw what he was doing when she tried to inject herself into the hurricane

00:45:11.100 politics, countermanding her at every turn.

00:45:14.660 You know, no, Ron DeSantis is doing a great job.

00:45:17.900 He and I are talking at that cabinet meeting where he was like, hold on, I'm not done.

00:45:22.500 And so she's she's in a tricky spot because she needs to stiff arm him.

00:45:27.140 But she can't upset him because he's still in a very powerful position.

00:45:32.620 That's absolutely right.

00:45:34.300 What has startled me is when they say, how are you going to be different from Joe Biden?

00:45:40.780 She's not pivoted to the economy and said, look, we had an approach or he had an approach

00:45:47.860 during the pandemic.

00:45:49.360 Go through it and say we're in different times.

00:45:51.820 We need different policies.

00:45:53.780 And here are my policies that would have been forward looking, allowed her to differentiate

00:45:59.020 without attacking.

00:46:00.800 But so far, I haven't heard anything like that other than the canned remarks, which

00:46:06.760 increasingly are sounding, as I said before, inauthentic, but also antiseptic, if I can use

00:46:16.520 that word.

00:46:17.840 Yeah.

00:46:18.480 Yeah.

00:46:19.000 Well, except for the when she's like dabbling with the deplorable stuff, Hogan, which is

00:46:23.480 new.

00:46:24.240 You heard that sound, but I just played she she got close again.

00:46:28.160 I mean, this is the same person who, you know, we played it part of it every day.

00:46:31.480 There's a new version of it.

00:46:32.800 I really believe that a leader is somebody who inspires people to lift other people up,

00:46:37.680 not put other people down.

00:46:38.960 And that's what she wants us to believe she does.

00:46:41.760 But listen to her here getting close to a deplorables moment again in SOT.

00:46:48.180 I think it's is it eight SOT eight.

00:46:51.420 I have seen a lot of Republicans go up to Liz Cheney and thank her, and they may not

00:46:59.280 be doing it publicly.

00:47:00.580 They may not be doing it publicly because I think she has shown, to your point, extraordinary

00:47:05.040 courage, especially in this environment post-January 6th, where there's something, an undercurrent

00:47:11.100 that is violent in terms of the language and the tenor, and for her to show the courage

00:47:18.800 she has shown is extraordinary.

00:47:22.640 There's an undercurrent of violence against Democrats, Hogan, not not against Trump.

00:47:28.560 Right.

00:47:29.300 No, who's almost been shot dead twice, but OK, sure.

00:47:36.180 This is, again, part of the inherent problem she has as a candidate.

00:47:40.420 She's just bad at this, we all know.

00:47:42.780 But this is another way she's like Joe Biden.

00:47:45.100 Joe Biden stood there with that red backdrop all angry and basically said half of the country

00:47:49.520 are racists and fascists and Hitlerian.

00:47:53.960 I mean, The Atlantic just had a piece last week where it compared Donald Trump to Hitler,

00:48:01.580 Mussolini, and Stalin all rolled into one.

00:48:05.420 I mean, the rhetoric of their side has been ratcheted up now for a decade against Donald

00:48:11.460 Trump, and she's flirting with disaster here by basically saying everybody in this country

00:48:17.380 who disagrees with me is dumb.

00:48:20.260 They've been saying it in some form or fashion because they pointed out, oh, no, no, you think

00:48:24.440 the economy's bad that you're paying more for gas and groceries?

00:48:27.140 No, you're just stupid.

00:48:28.120 It's really better.

00:48:29.420 I promise you that.

00:48:30.780 So their disdain for the worker, their disdain for people who disagree with them is so overwhelmingly

00:48:38.120 obvious at this point.

00:48:39.600 It makes people kind of get their back up and go, wait a minute, who are you to tell me

00:48:44.540 what I'm feeling here at home when I know how I'm suffering and I know who caused it,

00:48:48.800 and that's you.

00:48:50.440 Let me squeeze this in.

00:48:51.380 All around my town in Connecticut, I see Harris Waltz signs.

00:48:56.640 I mean, I think, obviously, Connecticut is going blue, but these are the ones that I

00:49:02.860 object to.

00:49:03.820 Harris Waltz, obviously.

00:49:06.560 That's the sign.

00:49:07.800 Harris Waltz, obviously.

00:49:09.540 To the exact point you make, which is like, it really makes you want to flip the bird at

00:49:14.060 the sign, and it makes you absolutely certain that you will get out there and vote, which,

00:49:18.540 by the way, I did this week, and I voted for Trump, and that vote is in the mail and being

00:49:23.320 banked right now.

00:49:24.100 So I am flipping the bird to their stupid signs, and it's just, it plays perfectly into

00:49:29.680 that elitist, like, only you losers would even consider voting Trump.

00:49:36.360 Trump can't go out there and make a joke about Arnold Palmer in Arnold Palmer's hometown,

00:49:44.200 a hero and a golf legend.

00:49:45.840 But I guess the only penises that the left and Democrats and the media are comfortable

00:49:52.780 talking about are the ones that they want to chop off of young, underage boys.

00:49:57.060 Oh, boy.

00:49:57.900 Like, their disdain for anybody who disagrees with their woke, radical ideology is so offensive

00:50:04.820 to so many Americans because we're talking about right and wrong.

00:50:08.560 We're talking about common sense versus sanity.

00:50:13.260 And she is a microcosm of where this party, the Democrats, have moved now for the last several

00:50:18.920 years, and I think the American people are rejecting it.

00:50:23.000 Obviously.

00:50:24.060 All right.

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00:51:35.500 Before we leave Kamala Harris's media tour and what happened yesterday, I did want to

00:51:42.860 show this one soundbite where, I mean, it just shows you it's all astroturf.

00:51:47.200 I've told this audience before, when you are a network, you conduct a town hall.

00:51:51.600 The anchor knows all the questions that are coming to the candidate.

00:51:54.700 They have to be pre-screened because you don't want every question to be about abortion or,

00:51:58.820 you know, the economy.

00:51:59.860 You want to mix it up.

00:52:01.760 But this is something different.

00:52:03.600 And it's Maria Shriver out there in what's supposed to be, I think, more of a loose,

00:52:08.620 freewheeling chance for the candidate to meet voters.

00:52:12.380 And listen to this admission in SOT 15.

00:52:14.560 You're not, unfortunately.

00:52:17.720 We have some pre-determined questions.

00:52:20.720 And hopefully I'll be able to ask some of the questions that might be in your head.

00:52:24.040 I hope so.

00:52:24.620 So they would not allow anybody at this town hall, which is not a network thing.

00:52:31.000 And she was like, it's like a YouTube thing.

00:52:32.500 This was not, she wouldn't let anybody just fire a question.

00:52:36.140 Contrast that with Trump's rallies.

00:52:38.660 Or, you know, I'm thinking of right now, Hogan, is Vivek.

00:52:41.540 You know, like these Republicans who are used to getting their ideas battered by everybody

00:52:46.520 who hears them.

00:52:47.580 They're like all comers.

00:52:49.340 Fine.

00:52:49.900 Ask me whatever the heck you want.

00:52:52.220 Think about JD.

00:52:53.160 JD, all the questions he gets when he goes out there and stops and takes them.

00:52:57.660 That's one reason I think he performs so well in the debate.

00:53:00.420 We're used to this back and forth, these types of arguments.

00:53:03.580 You've seen Speaker Johnson, for example, on some of the Sunday shows getting pummeled,

00:53:07.320 and he gives it right back to them.

00:53:09.300 These are the types of things Republicans have to do on a daily basis is take difficult questions

00:53:14.060 because oftentimes we're the only ones really held to account.

00:53:17.800 And what you saw in that was a really big admission, though.

00:53:20.440 It reminded me of when Bernie Sanders was asked about Kamala Harris's alleged flip-flops on all

00:53:26.400 these issues, the things she's deeply held close to her heart as her values for 25 years.

00:53:31.160 She just jettisoned in two weeks after she got the nomination.

00:53:34.580 Yeah, no one believes that.

00:53:36.000 But Bernie basically said, yeah, well, I mean, look, she's trying to get elected.

00:53:39.540 So, you know, you do what you got to do.

00:53:41.400 It's the same thing here.

00:53:42.740 It's an admission of, hey, look, these are all pre-screened.

00:53:45.520 Don't worry about it.

00:53:46.220 This whole thing is manufactured.

00:53:48.360 It's just another thing that we all know is happening, but that someone says out loud

00:53:53.080 and in the open, and you're like, wait a minute, I've been lied to this entire time,

00:53:58.120 and the answer is absolutely yes.

00:54:00.780 Everything here is fake, madam.

00:54:02.320 No, we won't be taking any real questions.

00:54:04.280 All right, Doug, let's move on to polling.

00:54:06.160 I mentioned at the top of the show, this guy, John Ralston, who you'll be able to tell

00:54:10.500 our audience about, has covered Nevada for three decades.

00:54:15.100 He runs the Nevada Independent.

00:54:17.700 And big cautionary note before we get into this, early voting is early voting.

00:54:22.600 It's not day of voting, and it could change.

00:54:25.280 We've got two weeks to go for early vote to pour in.

00:54:28.280 And while today may be a very good day for Republicans, by two days from now, it could have

00:54:33.300 entirely switched the other way.

00:54:34.780 So do with that information what you will, audience members.

00:54:38.380 You understand it has a big asterisk next to it.

00:54:41.040 But what he is saying, as reported reading here from The Hill, is he said in a post on

00:54:47.760 Monday that through three days of early voting and counting of mail-in ballots, more Republicans

00:54:53.000 had submitted ballots than Democrats for the first time in a presidential election year

00:54:58.180 since at least 2008, that Republicans led in counted ballots by about 6,000, roughly 2%,

00:55:07.360 meaning they've got 6,000 more votes than the Democrats do out of what he says is a 250,000

00:55:15.460 votes cast so far.

00:55:17.520 So that's a lot of early voting.

00:55:20.020 He predicted it's probably not far from a fifth of the total vote expected in Nevada.

00:55:26.520 And Republicans have a 6,000 ballot advantage so far.

00:55:33.640 Or so, you know, look, could those all be never Trump Republicans?

00:55:37.260 They could.

00:55:38.760 Is it likely?

00:55:39.800 No.

00:55:40.880 And just filling out the reporting, Ralston explained that the firewall that generally

00:55:45.600 contributes to a Democratic vantage from Clark County has, quote, collapsed, with Democrats

00:55:51.740 only leading Republicans there by about 4,500 votes.

00:55:55.880 That county is the most populous in the state.

00:55:58.340 It's home to Las Vegas.

00:56:00.540 And he said the Democrats.

00:56:02.360 Oh, and then the paper's pointing out that the Democrats lead in Clark County did grow Monday

00:56:06.240 to Tuesday up to 6,500 from 4,500.

00:56:09.100 So it got a little better.

00:56:11.120 Ralston said the rural areas are also outperforming what should be their share of the electorate

00:56:16.940 by almost four points, quote, the large mail ballot lead enjoyed by Dems has been erased

00:56:24.820 and more by the GOP lead in in-person early voting.

00:56:30.480 And he said, look, while anything could happen, things change.

00:56:35.420 He described Monday as, quote, a huge day for Republicans in Nevada and said a few more

00:56:42.520 days like this, and the Democrat bedwetting will reach epic proportions.

00:56:49.360 So what do you make of that John Ralston report?

00:56:52.580 Well, I know John Ralston.

00:56:53.920 I've known him about 30, 35 years.

00:56:56.900 He is a man of integrity.

00:57:00.260 He is not a partisan either way.

00:57:02.540 And I have felt that because Nevada is a state that has a relatively high proportion of non-college

00:57:13.360 educated people, both white and non-white, largely Hispanic, that I thought this was more fertile

00:57:23.960 ground for Trump than the early analysis and some of the polls have suggested.

00:57:29.400 But with what Ralston is saying, as you read it out, gives me confidence that at the very

00:57:37.800 least, Nevada will be very, very close.

00:57:41.540 And if there's any advantage that I would glean from what he said, it would be, as he suggested,

00:57:48.080 an advantage for Donald Trump.

00:57:50.940 And again, in a state many of the commentators so far have put in Kambla's category.

00:57:58.380 Yeah, they've been saying that that's the most likely to go blue, Hogan.

00:58:03.360 And yet, that's good initial feedback, at least, for Trump.

00:58:08.660 Sure.

00:58:09.240 And look, initially, too, it's the culinary union that kind of controls the vote there.

00:58:13.880 And that's why Democrats end up kind of winning Nevada in half the last several cycles.

00:58:19.000 But I think Doug's right.

00:58:20.140 What I would caution listeners and viewers to are a couple of things.

00:58:24.380 I'm so glad now Republicans are embracing the early vote.

00:58:28.460 That should be something they do.

00:58:30.700 But where I'm kind of watching and paying attention to is it's not so much the date you

00:58:36.060 vote, but the number of voters.

00:58:38.560 Meaning if 100,000 people would typically turn out on Election Day and you got them all to

00:58:46.040 vote two weeks early, that's great.

00:58:48.180 But if you need 200,000 voters, the question is, have you done enough on the ground to identify,

00:58:56.360 persuade, register, mobilize those voters needed to actually win the state?

00:59:03.840 I'm seeing that in return.

00:59:05.780 Isn't it?

00:59:06.400 Doesn't it?

00:59:07.600 I'll let you finish your point.

00:59:08.740 But doesn't it help the Republicans to have these early votes come in because then the

00:59:13.580 canvassers can check all of those people they know who voted.

00:59:17.860 They don't know how they voted, but they know who voted and they no longer have to keep bothering

00:59:21.480 those people.

00:59:23.200 Yes, that's the beauty of it.

00:59:24.920 So I love the fact they are early voting.

00:59:26.640 As I said, that's important.

00:59:27.920 You're seeing that big numbers in Pennsylvania and Georgia, North Carolina, et cetera.

00:59:32.640 This is a really good sign and a really good start for Republicans.

00:59:36.420 But they have to finish the drill.

00:59:38.440 You got to run through the tape.

00:59:39.720 That's all I'm saying.

00:59:40.560 And so the ones where they have, you know, if they have half a million voters identified

00:59:44.460 and they know 100,000 already voted, great.

00:59:47.460 Then quit sending those 100,000 to text messages.

00:59:50.460 Quit going and knocking on their doors and showing them up at work.

00:59:54.080 Go find the ones now that you know you can get to the polls on your behalf.

00:59:58.820 I think Donald Trump's campaign has done an outstanding job recognizing the problem,

01:00:04.300 addressing the last of the problems from 2020, and then doing things differently.

01:00:09.260 He's outsourcing a lot of that this time to third party groups.

01:00:12.640 It's something that's kind of never been tried on the scale.

01:00:15.700 But again, you know, norms don't really exist in Trump world.

01:00:19.340 But if this is pulled off the way I think it's actually going, what an incredible model

01:00:24.080 and what a revolutionary way to play this hand-to-hand combat in politics.

01:00:28.760 I mean, people like Elon Musk, people like Charlie Kirk, people like Scott Pressler in

01:00:35.420 Pennsylvania, who we interviewed, who's, you know, doing the get-out-the-vote-for-Trump

01:00:38.560 there, they will need personal thank yous from Donald Trump.

01:00:43.440 Yeah.

01:00:43.760 If Donald Trump wins this election, he got himself elected.

01:00:45.920 But boy, oh boy, those will be three names he's going to need to help for the get-out-the-vote

01:00:50.620 effort, which, you know, as much as people love you, it doesn't matter unless they actually

01:00:54.200 pull the lever for you, or in today's day and age, fill in the little dot on the Scantron.

01:00:59.740 Doug, can you please answer a question for me as somebody who actually is a pollster?

01:01:07.500 We all know the polls were failed, flawed in 2016.

01:01:13.040 Then came 2020, where once again, they greatly overstated what Joe Biden's support was going

01:01:18.800 to be, and I've heard people say they had fixed the under-polling of Trump people in

01:01:25.280 2020, and I'm wrong.

01:01:26.820 If you look at, like, the day before the election, they had corrected all these overstatements,

01:01:31.680 so the polls in 2020 were, in fact, fixed.

01:01:33.980 They were good, like, fixed in a good way.

01:01:36.400 And I've also heard people say, no, they still hadn't figured it out by 2020, but they figured

01:01:41.200 it out closer to 2022, and they definitely have figured out how to get the Trump voters

01:01:48.180 factored into the polls today.

01:01:50.600 So, and if anything, they may have overcorrected to where now they have more rural voters in

01:01:55.080 there, more working-class voters, and even, like, the Trump first-time voters who he got

01:02:00.020 off of the couch for the first time in 16, that they're now baked into the cake.

01:02:03.580 They're easier to poll, so you can trust the polls in this cycle better than you ever could.

01:02:09.560 What's the truth?

01:02:10.460 The truth is, we don't know.

01:02:14.380 And if you ask me, no, but if you ask me to answer the question, because we really don't

01:02:21.020 know how to draw samples, we don't know what percent are online, what percent are on cell

01:02:25.880 phones, what small percent are on landlines, we don't know.

01:02:30.560 So I say we don't know, not to duck the question, but there were two different types of elections,

01:02:37.880 presidential, where Donald Trump is on the ballot in 2022, which was a midterm election where

01:02:45.120 Donald Trump was not on the ballot.

01:02:47.360 From everything I've seen and I've done, the problem hasn't been fixed.

01:02:51.860 I suspect there will be an under-polling of the Trump voter, if I had to bet, because a

01:02:59.600 certain percentage of Trump voters are both harder to reach and disinclined to tell anyone

01:03:08.520 that they're voting for the former president.

01:03:11.400 Now, we don't know because there's no fixed formula or clear answer.

01:03:17.100 But if you ask me to say, who do I think's ahead now?

01:03:20.660 I think Donald Trump's ahead.

01:03:22.400 I think he's more likely than not to win.

01:03:25.040 And many, Megan, of my more rational Democratic friends feel the same way, though they don't

01:03:31.960 want to be perhaps as blunt about it as I've just tried to be.

01:03:36.620 Yeah, you heard Maria Shriver last night saying that everyone she knows is like completely freaked

01:03:42.060 out about the election, taking gummies.

01:03:44.420 They're resorting to drugs now to get through the next couple of weeks.

01:03:48.100 Before I go back to Hogan, can I read something to you, Doug Schoen?

01:03:50.520 This is the Real Clear Politics average of polls.

01:03:54.780 And, you know, they post this day in history every day.

01:03:58.740 It's very helpful.

01:04:00.180 So they looked back at 16, 20, and then they give you the numbers today in 24.

01:04:06.480 Okay.

01:04:07.780 On the national level, this is as of yesterday.

01:04:10.860 In 16, they were showing Clinton up 6.2.

01:04:17.080 2020, Biden up 7.5.

01:04:20.680 Now they have Harris up 1.0.

01:04:24.160 By the way, in 2020, Biden did not win 7.5.

01:04:27.580 He won 4.4.

01:04:29.040 So they overstated the polls, Biden's support.

01:04:32.020 Now keep going with me.

01:04:33.260 In 16, they had Clinton in Wisconsin up 6.5.

01:04:37.440 They had Biden up 4.6.

01:04:39.560 He would ultimately win Wisconsin by 0.6.

01:04:43.100 So they overstated his support by 4 points.

01:04:45.500 Today, they have Trump up 0.2.

01:04:48.080 Pennsylvania, they had Hillary Clinton up 6.2.

01:04:51.760 They had Biden up 4.9.

01:04:54.560 Biden would win the state 1.8.

01:04:57.320 So they overstated him by about 3 points.

01:04:59.860 Today, they have Trump up 0.8.

01:05:03.180 Ohio, that's not really, no longer a swing state.

01:05:06.940 Let's jump ahead to Michigan.

01:05:07.940 Clinton was up 12 at this point in 16.

01:05:12.160 Biden up 7.8.

01:05:15.160 Joe Biden won it 2.8.

01:05:18.180 So they overstated his support in Michigan by 5 points.

01:05:21.500 Today, they have Trump up 1.2.

01:05:24.500 Arizona, Clinton up 1.5 at this point in 16.

01:05:28.560 Biden up 3.2.

01:05:31.720 Joe Biden would win Arizona by 0.4.

01:05:35.640 So again, overstated his support by about 2.8.

01:05:39.480 Trump right now showing up 1.6.

01:05:42.280 Nevada showed Clinton up 4.7.

01:05:46.020 Showed Biden up 5.2.

01:05:48.320 At this point, he won the state by 2.4.

01:05:51.980 So overstated him by about 3 points.

01:05:54.440 Trump right now leading 0.8.

01:05:56.860 North Carolina, Clinton up 2.8.

01:05:59.240 Biden up 2.3.

01:06:00.480 Biden would win it 1.3.

01:06:03.520 Trump right now up 0.5.

01:06:06.360 This is the real clear politics of average of all polls there.

01:06:09.900 Georgia was showing Trump up in 2016, 4 points.

01:06:15.340 In 2020 was showing Biden up 0.8.

01:06:19.120 Biden would win Georgia by 11,000 votes, which was 0.3.

01:06:25.500 And right now they're showing Trump up 1.8.

01:06:29.560 My God.

01:06:31.320 I, I've never seen this.

01:06:33.900 I go to RealClear every day, Doug.

01:06:35.380 Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,

01:06:37.420 up in every single one of the averages, in every single swing state.

01:06:42.020 That's unprecedented.

01:06:43.900 What does it tell us?

01:06:45.580 Here's what it tells us.

01:06:46.960 If you assume that in the swing states from the two prior elections, the Trump vote is

01:06:55.700 understated by, say, three points, which was on the low side of most of the states you cited,

01:07:02.760 that would give him in every swing state a comfortable victory.

01:07:07.000 I don't think there's any one of those swing states that would make Harris the leader if,

01:07:16.520 in fact, there is the factor that I believe still exists.

01:07:20.860 And I think that's one of the reasons the Democrats remain worried.

01:07:25.060 But also something else, Megan, all the trend data has been moving both nationally and in the

01:07:32.060 swing states to Trump.

01:07:33.840 It's been small movements, yes, but almost no movement to the vice president.

01:07:40.500 So when you look at the trends, you look at the past vote, and you look at how the polls are now

01:07:47.460 coming in, you have a tough time reaching any conclusion other than Donald Trump is a narrow

01:07:55.140 but clear favorite to win the election.

01:07:59.260 Hogan, what do you make of those?

01:08:00.400 I mean, I just, I've never seen that Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump in the real clear politics

01:08:03.740 average of all the swing states.

01:08:05.480 I mean, razor thin, you hit on it.

01:08:07.440 In 2016, he was, I think, at like 43 around this time, finished at 47.

01:08:12.520 In 2020, he was at 4.3 and finished around 47.

01:08:15.880 Right now, he's way ahead of where he was at any of those two previous elections at the

01:08:22.340 same time.

01:08:23.020 I'd much rather be in this position, having been the press secretary for the campaign in

01:08:27.600 2020 than where we were four years ago.

01:08:31.200 But it's pretty obvious now that I think some of this race is settling down where the media

01:08:36.540 can't really tell you too much more about Donald Trump.

01:08:40.200 They can't really tell you too much more about Kamala Harris.

01:08:43.560 These candidates are standing now on their own records, their own rhetoric.

01:08:48.100 And it's pretty clear at this point, Doug is correct.

01:08:50.720 The American people are taking a look and going, wait a minute, you're telling me I could afford

01:08:55.400 gas and groceries four years ago.

01:08:57.380 There weren't wars breaking out all over the world.

01:08:59.400 I don't have illegal aliens flooding into my community, committing murder and rape and

01:09:04.720 burglaries and assaults, all of those things.

01:09:07.780 And now I do.

01:09:09.020 The choice, even though I may be still uncomfortable with some of the things Trump says, I still

01:09:16.200 remember that time more fondly.

01:09:18.220 And if Trump really does have some of those significant numbers and made up massive ground

01:09:23.240 with black men and Hispanics, then I think this is going to be an incredible night for

01:09:29.640 Donald Trump and the campaign.

01:09:31.420 All right.

01:09:33.380 So here's something else I'm seeing that suggests she's losing, that it's not going well for

01:09:39.760 her, Doug.

01:09:41.120 Anything could happen.

01:09:42.020 We got two weeks to go.

01:09:43.120 People would change their minds.

01:09:44.140 There could still be an October surprise.

01:09:46.140 No one should get complacent.

01:09:49.560 Morning Joe is in the midst of a meltdown and they're mad at Team Harris.

01:09:57.540 And it's over an issue that's hurting her, Doug.

01:10:00.500 And it's one of my most important issues.

01:10:02.580 And that is the whole trans insanity that we've unleashed on our little boys and girls.

01:10:07.520 And Trump has been dropping all this money on these ads that are playing in the NFL games

01:10:13.700 about how Kamala Harris and she did in 2019 made clear in an ACLU questionnaire that she

01:10:19.760 wanted to change the law, to make it mandatory that taxpayers pay for the sex change operations

01:10:27.440 and other procedures for prisoners and illegal aliens.

01:10:32.640 This is true.

01:10:33.820 It is an absolute fact.

01:10:35.600 And on top of that, Kamala Harris has bragged about it on camera.

01:10:39.240 And we've shown the audience the soundbite.

01:10:41.240 The New York Times, the day of the Brett Baer interview, dropped a piece by Glenn Thrush

01:10:46.800 trying to say he did it too.

01:10:50.120 Trump did it too.

01:10:51.740 And Morning Joe is happy about the New York Times piece and sees these two things as totally

01:10:59.440 equivalent.

01:11:00.380 I'm just going to tell the audience, just to remind those who didn't see our extra episode

01:11:03.380 last week, which got into this, just a quick explainer on what Trump actually did.

01:11:09.280 Trump did not advocate to change anything to help people get sex change operations in prison

01:11:15.080 on the taxpayer dime.

01:11:16.800 Trump inherited Obama's policy, mandating that, and immediately set to work to get around it.

01:11:24.140 It was immersed in legal challenges for all four years of Trump's presidency, which then

01:11:29.260 became mandated when they lost a court decision.

01:11:32.360 And after Trump left office, somebody got a sex change operation in prison under Joe Biden,

01:11:37.760 thanks to this court proceeding, and Joe Biden restored the Obama policy in full.

01:11:43.220 He loved the Obama policy.

01:11:45.140 Trump wasn't in favor of this.

01:11:46.640 Trump didn't like it.

01:11:47.460 He actually did manage to change the policy somewhat, and he fought it legally.

01:11:50.580 And he certainly never is on camera bragging that he would work to change the law, as Kamala

01:11:54.700 Harris is, to make sure everyone can get it if they're in prison or an illegal.

01:11:58.540 Those are the facts.

01:12:00.240 I wouldn't give Trump a pass on this.

01:12:01.660 And trust me, this is a big issue for me.

01:12:03.320 I have every belief that if Trump gets back into the Oval, he will make sure this stops.

01:12:09.040 I mean, he can't now look at his base and all those NFL watchers and say, oh, gee, I'll

01:12:14.740 allow it to keep going.

01:12:15.980 But take a look at Morning Joe on this whole kerfuffle today.

01:12:20.460 Donald Trump's Justice Department, Donald Trump's, the head of his Bureau of Prisons, was sending

01:12:32.460 instructions to Congress about gender-affirming care and possibly surgery.

01:12:41.400 And for the life of me, I don't understand how the Harris campaign allows 30,000 commercials

01:12:47.280 to run an NFL game, some people on the campaign scratching their heads going, hmm, hmm, this

01:12:54.440 isn't a real issue.

01:12:56.000 And then they're going, why are we losing black men and Hispanic men and working-class

01:13:03.080 white men?

01:13:03.820 This is Donald Trump's Justice Department.

01:13:06.280 The Transgender Offender Manual.

01:13:09.460 And-

01:13:10.040 Guidance.

01:13:10.860 Taxpayer-funded.

01:13:11.920 On transgender surgeries, gender-affirming care in Donald Trump's prisons when he was

01:13:19.400 president.

01:13:21.120 Hypocrites.

01:13:22.000 Just responding to that soundbite they keep running of Kamala Harris talking about-

01:13:28.720 From a forum.

01:13:28.900 ...that happening in prisons and being the law.

01:13:31.940 Trump's policy.

01:13:32.240 She tries to grab it.

01:13:33.040 She won't let him.

01:13:34.280 Yeah.

01:13:34.460 She grabs it back.

01:13:36.040 So, Doug, you tell me what's happening there and whether you're hearing within the Democrat

01:13:42.120 circles whether people are starting to turn on Team Harris.

01:13:46.140 What I am getting is extreme unease with the whole range of social issues surrounding Kamala

01:13:56.600 Harris.

01:13:57.800 And what I found in politics, and I suspect Megan, you, and Hogan similarly, is when

01:14:04.420 people don't want to deal with an issue or are having trouble processing it, they just

01:14:10.840 get themselves into a kerfuffle, to use your word.

01:14:14.440 And that's the sense I have with the Democrats.

01:14:17.240 They don't have a clear response other than to try to blame Trump for that which they are

01:14:24.540 clearly much more, indeed, singularly responsible for.

01:14:29.960 It's, again, another issue that is playing into his hands without a credible Democratic response.

01:14:37.560 Megan, the Democrats almost benefit by their policies being so radical because so few people

01:14:45.880 actually believe someone could hold that policy.

01:14:48.200 Remember how this even became an issue was that on CNN, someone brought this position

01:14:53.700 Kamala Harris had of taxpayer-funded sex change operations for illegal aliens in prison, and

01:14:59.580 the anchor was like, no, that's not real.

01:15:01.800 And they're like, no, it is.

01:15:02.920 Here's the questionnaire.

01:15:04.280 Here's her bragging about it.

01:15:05.460 Now we have the video of it.

01:15:06.800 But also there's an undercurrent here, too, that I think we need to be well aware of that

01:15:11.220 may not boil over, I guess, before the election, but definitely after, if they lose.

01:15:18.300 And it's this.

01:15:19.240 The Kamala Harris team hates the Joe Biden team, hates the Barack Obama team, hates the

01:15:25.180 Biden team, hates the Harris team.

01:15:27.060 They all don't like each other.

01:15:28.720 So if this thing begins to erode or implode in any fashion between now and the next two

01:15:33.920 weeks, I think more of this palace intrigue story is going to be a bigger kind of focus

01:15:40.600 of the mainstream media because so many people in these orbits like to start to point fingers

01:15:46.220 if they feel like it's not going the right way.

01:15:48.320 So you can talk about Trump and how he's being successful right now and how it looks like

01:15:51.980 the thing's on the right track because it is.

01:15:53.740 The trajectory is good.

01:15:54.720 But it's also kind of beneficial to take a look at what your opponent is doing.

01:15:59.400 They don't have a good closing message.

01:16:01.340 And what you're seeing a lot of is backbiting on their side and finger pointing on people

01:16:07.620 to blame for their failures.

01:16:10.580 It is amazing to see the consternation as they realize this issue, which is near and

01:16:17.240 dear to my own heart, is a bad one for them.

01:16:20.140 And it's heartening to see them run from it because now they can never embrace it again.

01:16:25.740 Now they can't.

01:16:26.360 Now everybody's going to start losing House seats and Senate seats.

01:16:29.360 The more they cozy up with this crazy ideology where they're abusing children, abusing women

01:16:33.880 in prisons and allowing this stuff like whatever happens in this election, we're winning on

01:16:39.760 this issue and we must win because this one involves abusive women, abusive children.

01:16:44.920 Doug Schoen, thank you so much for being here.

01:16:46.540 Hogan.

01:16:46.860 Thank you, Megan.

01:16:47.700 Thank you.

01:16:48.200 To be continued.

01:16:48.860 Thank you, Megan.

01:16:49.640 Wow.

01:16:50.140 Thanks much.

01:16:50.540 What a day.

01:16:51.200 Okay, coming up next, an exclusive interview with an author who says her life growing up

01:16:55.680 in communist China reminds her of Kamala Harris's policies and what the Democrats have been

01:17:01.260 doing to us since George Floyd in particular.

01:17:04.740 She's actually going out on the campaign trail with Trump tomorrow.

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01:19:06.040 Now we turn to an exclusive interview with someone sounding the alarm about what she says

01:19:10.640 will happen if Kamala Harris is elected this November and how it reminds her of her time

01:19:16.040 growing up in communist China.

01:19:19.000 Xi Van Fleet was born in China and lived through Mao's cultural revolution.

01:19:23.740 She's seeing things that are all too familiar to the regime she remembers.

01:19:28.340 She's the author of Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning, which is out in paperback next week.

01:19:36.000 Xi, welcome to the show.

01:19:37.380 All right.

01:19:37.720 So for those who don't understand or know anything about the cultural revolution, which I believe

01:19:43.920 was from around 66 to 76, just walk us through what was happening in China at that time when

01:19:51.760 you were a little girl.

01:19:53.280 Yes.

01:19:53.880 But first of all, thank you so much to invite me to your show.

01:19:58.060 I love your show.

01:19:58.880 I watch it.

01:19:59.800 Listen to it every day.

01:20:02.200 Oh, thank you.

01:20:03.320 To the pleasure is all ours.

01:20:05.420 Yeah.

01:20:06.160 Yes.

01:20:06.600 This is very, very important for Americans to know.

01:20:10.720 This piece of history is so relevant to America today.

01:20:15.520 What happened in China in 1966 is a cultural revolution that Mao launched.

01:20:25.280 It is the revolution to unseat, to really to take down the CCP, take down the government.

01:20:36.740 And by who?

01:20:37.860 By Mao.

01:20:38.640 Mao wanted to take it down because he felt like he was losing control.

01:20:42.600 He was losing control of his own party and government.

01:20:45.920 He is losing control of the absolute power.

01:20:49.740 So he launched the revolution to really get the power back.

01:20:54.080 That is the real story.

01:20:56.160 But by who and how?

01:20:58.480 This time, he did not use the military.

01:21:00.780 This time, he used the kids.

01:21:03.000 The indoctrinated youth from elementary school all the way up to universities, they are the

01:21:10.860 Red Guards.

01:21:11.820 And he used them to take down the people that he felt like was no longer loyal to him.

01:21:20.120 That's pretty much the whole bureaucracy of the CCP.

01:21:24.540 And they also want to destroy the entire Chinese civilization and what he called the four olds.

01:21:33.280 Old culture, old ideas, old habits, and old custom.

01:21:38.140 That is everything that in the past destroyed the past.

01:21:41.600 Just like Kamala said, imagine what can be unburdened by what has been.

01:21:47.600 So they destroyed the statues.

01:21:49.800 They renamed streets and roads and institutions and including their own names to be politically correct.

01:21:57.680 They burned books and they eventually turned on to the perceived enemies and started with their teachers and the principals.

01:22:13.360 And the language control, as I understand it, was important to getting control over the society.

01:22:22.000 Absolutely.

01:22:22.380 And it's not just language control, it's thought control.

01:22:26.600 Growing up in China, and I was so thoroughly indoctrinated, I could not think any other way.

01:22:33.580 I had no idea there was such a thing as critical thinking.

01:22:37.240 I just get fed with the propaganda and I just follow the orders.

01:22:41.920 And that is really what I see here in America.

01:22:44.960 So how did your life start to change once this period dawned on China while you're in the midst of this?

01:22:53.640 Were you policed in your language when you went to school?

01:22:56.760 What was changing in your life under this time?

01:23:00.920 During the Cultural Revolution, I just followed the order.

01:23:05.660 And actually, I was only seven when the Cultural Revolution started.

01:23:09.380 And the school stopped and closed because there's no one running the school because the kids ousted all the principals and the school administrators.

01:23:19.760 So I have no school for two years.

01:23:21.880 In some areas, it lasted as long as four years.

01:23:26.280 So there's absolutely, we're just free to go out and watch the whole Cultural Revolution unfolded.

01:23:33.360 And I saw struggle sessions.

01:23:35.680 I saw the Red Guards not only taking down statues in public spaces, they went to people's homes and took out all those four old hidden in people's homes and destroyed them.

01:23:50.080 And I saw the teachers being attacked, principal being attacked.

01:23:54.760 It was really a world turned upside down.

01:23:58.660 You could, I mean, the Red Guards killed people, including children.

01:24:04.280 Oh, they killed.

01:24:05.720 Yeah.

01:24:06.140 And so what would lead to a Red Guard death sentence?

01:24:10.840 Okay.

01:24:11.360 So the Red Guards were the ones that Mao used to launch the revolution and it lasted about two, up to three years.

01:24:21.660 By then, all the people in power was taken down by them.

01:24:25.920 Everything was destroyed.

01:24:27.060 And then they become a problem.

01:24:29.680 And what do you think that Mao would do to them?

01:24:33.080 Instead of giving them a seat at the table, he expelled them to the countryside for hard labor, for the so-called re-education.

01:24:43.620 And since then, all the young people from our cities were sent to the countryside.

01:24:48.680 When I graduated from high school at the age of 16, me too, was sent to the countryside to work in the field to get my so-called re-education that lasted for three years until Mao's death.

01:25:01.240 And his successor, Deng Xiaoping, finally decided to stop all this chaos and reopen the university.

01:25:10.240 And at the age of 19, I was able to go to college.

01:25:13.360 And in 1986, I was able to come to America for my graduate study.

01:25:21.380 Wow.

01:25:22.020 And that was the beginning of everything for you.

01:25:24.800 Now you're an American citizen.

01:25:26.940 And I understand you just cast your vote in this election.

01:25:29.320 Yes, I just did.

01:25:31.700 I was just, this just, to me, it was such a moment.

01:25:36.460 I really was, you know, shaking hands.

01:25:38.660 My hands were shaking.

01:25:40.200 And I just feel like this election really, really will determine the survival of our republic.

01:25:49.100 People here, especially young people, they have no idea.

01:25:52.260 They never live the day without freedom.

01:25:54.620 They have no idea what it is like to lose freedom.

01:25:59.320 So not just lose your, um, uh, the right to speak, they will indoctrinate everyone.

01:26:05.820 So no one could even think freely.

01:26:08.920 And that's, it's the kind of slavery of communism that so few Americans really understand.

01:26:18.140 This is why you voted for Donald Trump.

01:26:20.560 You're going to be campaigning with Donald Trump tomorrow in Georgia.

01:26:23.960 And you've been living by these principles for a long, long time.

01:26:28.060 You spoke up loudly, forcefully in Loudoun County, Virginia, which has been ground zero for a lot of these fights.

01:26:34.200 Right after the death of George Floyd, when we all, not we, but many people in the country were losing their minds and allowing this so-called critical race theory to infect everything.

01:26:45.200 Unfortunately, it's still everywhere and it needs to be extracted like a cancer.

01:26:50.700 Um, but you spoke up at one of the school board meetings.

01:26:52.860 We have a little bit of that.

01:26:53.960 This thing made you a star.

01:26:55.360 Let's watch.

01:26:56.920 Growing up in mouse, China, all this seem very familiar.

01:27:00.440 The communist regime used the same critical theory to divide people.

01:27:04.460 The only difference is they use class instead of race.

01:27:07.740 During the cultural revolution, I witnessed students and teachers again turn against each other.

01:27:12.080 We changed school names to be politically correct.

01:27:14.380 We were taught to denounce our heritage.

01:27:17.680 The Red Guards destroy anything that is not communist.

01:27:21.240 Old statues, books, and anything else.

01:27:24.520 We are also encouraged to report on each other, just like the student equity ambassador program and the bias reporting system.

01:27:32.560 This is indeed American version of the Chinese communist, the Chinese cultural revolution.

01:27:38.320 The critical race theory has its roots in cultural Marxism.

01:27:41.860 It should have no place in our school.

01:27:44.380 Amazing.

01:27:49.280 And that, I mean, you've been there.

01:27:51.820 And it's actually, if you speak to people from certain Eastern European countries, they have exactly the same view you do.

01:27:57.640 When you've had all these rights restricted or really removed from your life, in your case, as a little girl, without even knowing what it would be like to have them, you see this indoctrination very differently.

01:28:08.260 Critical race theory among them.

01:28:11.140 Absolutely.

01:28:11.500 I think it is simply because I've been there, I lived through it, and I can see it.

01:28:18.100 And the reason that the American people, so many of them, even today, they don't recognize it.

01:28:24.060 Why?

01:28:24.640 It's because they don't know.

01:28:26.520 They don't know the history.

01:28:27.820 They were never taught the history of communism and the history of Chinese communism and the history of the Chinese cultural revolution.

01:28:38.140 And that's why they could not recognize.

01:28:40.340 And that is by design.

01:28:42.580 And that's why they took our universities and then our schools, because by controlling the educational system, they could really get rid of the past, get rid of the inconvenient history and indoctrinate the kids.

01:29:00.960 And that's not just today.

01:29:03.100 It started way back.

01:29:04.300 Right.

01:29:04.800 Like the fact that America is one of the only countries to ever fight a war to end slavery, as opposed to our original sin of having it, which they want to say we can never get out of.

01:29:16.380 They just want to erase the parts of history that would show who we truly are.

01:29:20.500 This something you said in the beginning of the interview reminded me of this.

01:29:23.060 James Lindsay went on with Tucker recently, and he was making a point that you just, I think, alluded to.

01:29:29.020 Oh, sorry.

01:29:29.800 He was with Charlie Kirk.

01:29:30.940 And here's the point.

01:29:31.860 Take a listen.

01:29:33.280 Vice President Harris will say repeatedly, what is the quote?

01:29:36.840 The quote is that we can see what can be unburdened by what has been.

01:29:42.380 Is that word salad or Marxism?

01:29:44.400 It's Marxism.

01:29:45.140 That is, in fact, not at all word salad.

01:29:47.960 It is a Marxist, as I said on Twitter the other day and got mocked relentlessly by the media for this.

01:29:53.060 I said it's a Marxist incantation, as a matter of fact.

01:29:55.720 It's like a spell.

01:29:56.740 So you can see the possibility of a world that's unburdened from its own history, which is exactly what Mao Zedong did when he launched the campaign of Smash the Four Olds, the four old characteristics of Chinese society.

01:30:09.100 They were going to make a new China that was going to be unburdened by what had been in the past of China.

01:30:14.480 This is what the Soviets, the Bolsheviks, did when they took over power in Russia, is that they were going to make the new Russia.

01:30:20.540 They're going to make the new man, as a matter of fact.

01:30:22.760 People could become unburdened by what has been.

01:30:27.460 That, of course, is one of Kamala Harris's favorite phrases.

01:30:32.360 Do you hear that kind of language from her in a different way than the rest of us do?

01:30:37.540 You know, it took me a while.

01:30:39.400 I said, what did she mean?

01:30:41.800 It sounds kind of like a gibberish.

01:30:43.900 I have no idea.

01:30:44.860 It took me a while, and especially after listening to James Lindsay, I said, yes, yes, that's exactly what I witnessed in China.

01:30:55.460 Get rid of the Four Olds.

01:30:58.360 Four Olds stands for the past, stands for Chinese civilization, stands for a nation's memory.

01:31:05.400 It has to be all erased because Mao wants to usher in his own ideology, his own religion, Maoism.

01:31:15.660 And because of that, he has to get rid of everything in the past.

01:31:21.000 So what have you seen specifically with critical race theory, or I think you could probably say the same thing with the trans indoctrination, that looks familiar to you from the way you said division?

01:31:35.320 Division.

01:31:35.760 Why is that in their interest?

01:31:37.160 Why do they want division?

01:31:39.120 Okay, so if you want to control a people, if you want to have a revolution, you've got to divide the people.

01:31:47.360 From day one, in 1949, when the communists took over China, they divided the entire country into two classes, a red class and a black class.

01:31:57.940 And the red one is those who own anything, your own land, property, or sometimes you just own one more walk than your neighbor.

01:32:09.480 And then you become the black class, the enemy of the people.

01:32:14.160 And then the other side is the red class.

01:32:17.100 Those are the proletarians.

01:32:19.200 Those are the allies of the revolution.

01:32:21.540 But eventually, it becomes anyone who thinks like the rich and will be condemned and thrown into the black class.

01:32:34.540 Just like today, being white, you are guilty.

01:32:38.040 That is the original sin.

01:32:39.980 Instead of the wealth, whiteness is the sin in today's cultural revolution theory.

01:32:46.000 And even if you are black, but if you're accused of thinking like a white person, you belong to the black class in Mao's term.

01:32:57.760 And that is how every Chinese got an identity.

01:33:02.660 This identity is something you pass down to your children and your children's children.

01:33:07.780 And you can be born belonging to the black class just because your parents were.

01:33:12.800 And with that, you become the second citizen, second class citizen.

01:33:18.140 Mao used the identity politics to divide people and control people and set them against each other.

01:33:27.500 And this is exactly what the critical race theory aims to do.

01:33:33.420 Instead of class, they use race.

01:33:36.060 That's just that simple.

01:33:37.640 Very, very similar.

01:33:38.980 I was surprised after George Floyd at how quickly so many people and institutions folded on changing the curriculum, changing the narrative about America, changing everything.

01:33:51.740 You know, just posting the black square, saying Black Lives Matter.

01:33:54.220 I'm going to say it.

01:33:54.820 I'm going to say it.

01:33:55.740 You know, we got letters from both of our schools.

01:33:58.180 The head of the school, I'm racist and the school's racist and I've done racist things.

01:34:02.960 And I remember being like, what'd you do?

01:34:04.520 What tell us?

01:34:05.140 There was nothing.

01:34:05.720 She was just self-flagellating to try to go along with, you know, the messaging from above.

01:34:12.900 I'm a good girl.

01:34:13.760 Don't hate me.

01:34:14.560 I want to be in one of the protected classes.

01:34:17.300 Were you surprised how quickly people folded on this?

01:34:21.660 I was surprised and I was not surprised.

01:34:25.320 And because I've seen this before, what surprised me is that the Americans were for it.

01:34:31.320 That thing, I really did not know.

01:34:33.880 I did not pay that much attention.

01:34:35.340 I told you when I came, I told everyone that when I came to America, I thought I left communism behind me.

01:34:41.980 I thought, I really thought there's nothing for me to worry about.

01:34:46.160 And I, even as myself, I made this mistake.

01:34:51.220 I did not share my stories of the Cultural Revolution with my friends, my family.

01:34:56.060 I just want to forget about it.

01:34:57.880 And so now in 2020, I realized that people just don't know.

01:35:05.260 They don't know.

01:35:06.340 And that is why, actually, in 2022, I finally decided that a short interview here and a speech over there won't do it.

01:35:16.600 And I said, I quit my job and wrote that book.

01:35:19.540 And that book really explained the parallels of this two cultural revolution and tell everyone this is history repeating.

01:35:30.020 It's called Mao's America, a survivor's warning by Xi Van Fleet.

01:35:37.560 You can get it in paperback right now.

01:35:39.960 So Xi, what do you hear or see from Kamala Harris that concerns you?

01:35:45.640 Everything.

01:35:46.040 And remember that equity clip, Xi did.

01:35:50.540 And, you know, we started, you know, we may not start in the same place.

01:35:55.160 So that is the government job to make sure we all end up in the same place.

01:36:00.160 Yes, Mao played that same trick.

01:36:02.320 And we all ended up in the same place.

01:36:04.920 That's true.

01:36:05.820 Only that it's the same place of poverty, misery and oppression.

01:36:10.200 And then, you know, everything she talked about, the race, you know, the race, political race theory of the division of the marginalized people and then control price and everything else.

01:36:25.140 Xi really thinks, talks, acts like a communist.

01:36:32.640 She has been saying the, yeah, go ahead.

01:36:35.300 Sorry.

01:36:35.440 You know, I know dear to your heart is the transgender issue.

01:36:41.200 And people ask me, did the Mao do transgender in China?

01:36:45.400 No, he didn't.

01:36:46.880 He did not have to.

01:36:48.340 He did not have to because he had enough tactics to achieve his goal.

01:36:54.940 But he did attack gender role.

01:36:58.420 And so growing up in China, the girls were all taught that femininity is toxic.

01:37:06.860 It is weak.

01:37:08.040 It is bourgeois.

01:37:09.740 It is not revolutionary.

01:37:11.880 It is something to get rid of.

01:37:14.080 We all aim to be an iron girl.

01:37:17.300 And iron girl is what men can do.

01:37:20.040 We can do better.

01:37:21.040 So all men, women and young girls, we think, talk, act and dress like men.

01:37:27.880 And we become kind of like men.

01:37:30.720 And that is what Mao did to China.

01:37:33.800 And here, of course, Mao was dealing with a people that never knew freedom and never always, always lived under tyranny.

01:37:44.040 In America, this is the free people.

01:37:47.360 And so they have to be more sophisticated.

01:37:50.300 And what they are doing in America, I have to say, it's more evil than what Mao did.

01:37:59.380 Only that Mao killed more people.

01:38:01.320 But this idea of you can transition from one gender to another just by identifying yourself, that is absolutely evil.

01:38:11.540 Well, it's also very destabilizing for the family unit, for the community, for the school.

01:38:18.760 And that seems to be of some benefit to a Mao-type thinker.

01:38:23.160 Like, they're in favor of that sort of instability in the community.

01:38:27.780 Yeah, he did it in different ways.

01:38:29.940 And one of these, he made all the children the spies of their parents.

01:38:35.060 And the parents are really scared of children.

01:38:38.040 And people ask me whether my parents talked to me during the Cultural Revolution, told me to understand what's going on.

01:38:44.900 I said, no.

01:38:45.740 They're afraid of children because children will report their parents.

01:38:50.280 And many of them were sent to execution sites because the children reported their talks at home to the party.

01:38:59.080 Same thing in Cuba, by the way.

01:39:02.180 We've had people on this show talking about how the same thing, they encourage you to report on your neighbor, report on your parents.

01:39:08.760 You see these things bit by bit.

01:39:11.180 Schools asking you inappropriate questions about your home life, your child.

01:39:14.340 Doctors asking questions about your home life that are none of their business.

01:39:17.760 You're sounding an important alarm, Shi.

01:39:20.220 Thank you.

01:39:20.760 Thank you for writing this book, Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning.

01:39:24.400 I'm so glad you voted and that you're an American citizen and have so much fun with Trump on the campaign trail tomorrow.

01:39:31.680 I will.

01:39:32.260 Thank you so much.

01:39:33.900 All the best to you.

01:39:35.120 Wow.

01:39:35.540 What a story.

01:39:36.900 God, you know, it's one of those things, a republic if you can keep it.

01:39:41.840 You know, freedom's too easy to lose.

01:39:44.560 Only takes a generation, as they say.

01:39:46.080 And we're well on our way to kissing it goodbye, just without even stopping.

01:39:52.820 Just, what, over abortion?

01:39:55.160 Is that really, is that worth it?

01:39:57.280 That's going to be a state-by-state issue.

01:39:59.260 It's not going to be outlawed in the United States of America.

01:40:01.740 It's not.

01:40:02.840 Think about what she said and what the future could look like if we go in the wrong direction.

01:40:07.400 We'll see you tomorrow with Mark Halpern and the host of The Morning Meeting.

01:40:10.360 Talk to you then.

01:40:10.980 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 22, 2024

New Bombshell Kamala Plagiarism Reporting, and Kamala's Divisive Rhetoric, with Hogan Gidley, Doug Schoen, and Xi Van Fleet ｜ Ep. 923

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