Sen. Kamala Harris (D-D.C.) ramps up her attack on former President Donald Trump with a new lie about, "the enemy within" and a new strategy to demonize him. Meanwhile, her campaign rolls out a new line of attack against Trump.
00:03:26.060She's seeing something very alarming on her internals that we're just starting to see in the public polling.
00:03:31.920So in the context of all of this, yesterday, her campaign rolled out a new-ish, kind of like revamped, old attack that's sort of now a new attack against former President Donald Trump.
00:03:44.260And it's right in line with what we were told will be part of her new strategy, which is trying to demonize Trump.
00:03:52.620Of course, it's been many years we have heard how Mr. Trump is a threat to democracy himself.
00:03:58.300He's going to end the Constitution, they say, taking out some random quote from some random tweet or truth social post.
00:04:06.360It's strange how I haven't heard him actually promising to do that or saying it over and over again on the campaign trail.
00:04:12.340But, okay, that's what they want to go with, though we're supposed to ignore all the things Kamala Harris said in writing and explicitly she wanted to do just in 2019.
00:04:22.840They're going over and over again how he'll use the Department of Justice to go after his political enemies.
00:04:28.240I mean, a party that did that would be absolutely horrid.
00:04:31.020You would never want them to win the White House, would you?
00:04:32.820But this new-ish line of attack is that Trump sees anyone who does not support him, anyone who does not support him, as a, quote, an enemy from within, against whom he might unleash the U.S. military.
00:06:39.600He never showed any remorse because he feels none.
00:06:42.980He tried to ruin Trump's first term with a phony lie about him being a Russian agent.
00:06:52.660Mr. Schiff has wanted to see Mr. Trump impeached, thrown out of office.
00:06:57.880He's been hoping and praying to see Donald Trump led away in handcuffs.
00:07:01.760So maybe that's why Donald Trump sees him as the enemy.
00:07:04.900Because it's what Mr. Schiff loves to be when it comes to Donald Trump.
00:07:10.060So please spare me and keep that in mind when you see these dishonest ads.
00:07:14.660Next up in the ad, you hear Trump say the enemy from within are more dangerous than Russia.
00:07:20.460This was taken from a rally in Wisconsin on October 6th.
00:07:23.340He was actually talking about fascists, Marxists, and communists that he believes are pulling the strings in Washington.
00:07:33.040The enemy from within, the crazy lunatics that we have, the fascists, the Marxists, the communists, the people that we have that are actually running the country, not her.
00:07:43.640She's not running it, and Biden's not running it either, and you all know that.
00:07:46.760Those people are more dangerous, the enemy from within, than Russia and China.
00:07:57.800These people are our enemies, same as he says, the press is the enemy of the people.
00:08:02.560They're working against the will of the people to undermine democracy.
00:08:06.380I mean, this is like the Democrats say this stuff all the time.
00:08:08.960This is not about arresting private citizens in their home or unleashing the Navy SEALs as you go for a swim in the Atlantic to come get you because you voted, you voted Trump.
00:08:20.180The last example in her ad is one the campaign, Harris campaign and corporate media are really seizing on.
00:08:27.220In the ad, Trump says we have some very bad people, should be very easily handled by the military, going to have paratroopers landing in your backyard wanting to see how you voted.
00:08:38.800It was taken from an interview he just did with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business this past Sunday.
00:08:43.820But the question Trump was asked was whether he was expecting any chaos on Election Day.
00:08:51.660And the reason she asked him that is that President Biden recently said he's concerned Election Day will not be peaceful.
00:09:00.120And he's clearly suggesting Trump supporters will be responsible for that.
00:09:06.260And he that Miss Bartiromo in the question poses to Trump, what do you think is going to happen?
00:09:11.920And in setting it up, she reminds him that since he's left office, many foreign nationals have illegally come over the border.
00:09:19.280So she kind of raises two issues in one, saying we've got illegals here who are murderers.
00:09:28.640And you will hear in Mr. Trump's answer.
00:09:30.560He is talking about possible Election Day chaos, which she raised and Biden raised in reference to leftist radicals and the potential use of the National Guard and military if things spin out of control.
00:10:43.180We have some sick people, radical left lunatics.
00:10:45.980And I think they're the big and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen.
00:10:58.680It makes perfect sense what he is saying.
00:11:01.620Who organized all these protests on college campuses?
00:11:04.140People like George Soros, who funded the tents and wanted chaos on the campuses because he wants a very different agenda than a capitalist free society like we actually have here in America.
00:11:15.980What do you think she's talking about there?
00:11:18.160What do you think Donald Trump is thinking about?
00:11:19.660He's thinking about the chaos that Joe Biden says is going to happen on Election Day.
00:12:53.600Joining me now to discuss this and much more, Josh Hammer, senior editor at large for Newsweek and host of the Josh Hammer Show and America on Trial.
00:13:00.060With Josh Hammer and also with me, Delano Squires.
00:13:03.240He's a research fellow at the Heritage Foundation and a contributor at The Blaze.
00:13:12.680Right back to the incendiary rhetoric about what a threat to our country, the future of our country and people's individual liberties he is.
00:13:23.320So first of all, from one lawyer to another, the last I checked, the president of the United States takes an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
00:13:33.260So if it is if it is not appropriate to talk about domestic enemies, that would have been news to James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and all the family fathers.
00:13:40.880They literally put that as a requirement every time the commander in chief takes the oath of office.
00:13:45.860Second of all, what he is clearly talking about, as you just alluded to, is actual domestic anarchy, the likes of which we saw during the Black Lives Matter and TIFA riots in the summer of 2020.
00:13:55.400That was when Tom Cotton, God bless him, wrote the now infamous New York Times op-ed calling to send in the troops.
00:14:01.340Tom Cotton was right to call for that.
00:14:03.180And by the way, in hindsight, you know, Donald Trump didn't actually really follow that advice, did he?
00:14:08.120He didn't actually call in the National Guard.
00:14:11.900He didn't actually follow that advice.
00:14:13.460So they're crying wolf where we had a clear example of him actually having the ability to do this, to follow a leading senator, Tom Cotton.
00:14:23.040Second of all, though, I think the more important point here, we are dealing with a Democrat lawfare complex right now, Megan, as you and I have discussed on your show before.
00:14:31.100That is prosecuting him twice at the federal level and two at the state level.
00:14:35.640They are coming at him with everything they've got to throw him in jail, to bankrupt him, to destroy his lives.
00:14:42.000There have been two, possibly three, assassination attempts now, if you include the Riverside County stuff at Coachella this past Sunday.
00:14:48.060They have come within literal millimeters of taking out his life on national television before a global audience, calling him a threat to democracy, a fascist, Hitlerite dictator.
00:14:57.620Throw in all these adjectives and adverbs that you want to there.
00:15:00.280At some point, you would think you would have a modicum of self-awareness such that you lose the moral high ground to condemn your opponent for talking about the concept of domestic enemies, which, oh, by the way, as I just said a minute ago, the founding fathers actually explicitly put into the oath of office.
00:16:30.540And most people believe that the tie goes to Trump, whether they fix the polls or not.
00:16:35.920Trump does a very good job historically of getting the low propensity voters to come out for him.
00:16:40.360And they're very worried that's going to happen again and that those college educated white liberals are not going to be able to get her over the top.
00:16:48.700So as a result, just take a look at what has happened now.
00:16:53.000This is a montage of some Democrats and never Trumpers.
00:16:55.680I mean, truly going into meltdown mode with three weeks to go literally to the day as of today.
00:17:01.420Donald Trump, anybody who doesn't agree with him is the enemy.
00:17:05.380This is not Dukakis versus Bush, that this is not Republican versus Democrat.
00:17:12.640We are talking about the possibility of the return to power of of a of a convicted felon, rapey seditionist who threatens to undo the constitutional order.
00:17:24.920There is a coming massive crisis that's going to occur on November 5th with the election.
00:17:30.540In which even if Kamala Harris wins the election and wins those battleground states, they are the Trump team is going to declare victory with J.D. Vance at his side.
00:17:40.140Focus on what's at stake here, that literally this election is about the Constitution and we're not going to have one if we lose it.
00:17:47.420He, time and again, tried to push the limits in a truly fascist manner.
00:18:27.160I'm not even a lawyer and I can tell that from the things that he says.
00:18:29.840But I mean, these are people who feign concern for the Constitution one day and then say America, which is corrupt at its core, needs to be remade in a more progressive image the next day.
00:18:42.440So it really is strange to hear them speak this way, because, as I said, some of these folks are the types of people who think that the American flag itself is a symbol of hate.
00:18:54.720And they code the American flag as something conservative.
00:18:58.080So but all of a sudden they seem to muster patriotism when it comes to defeating the former president.
00:19:04.140So I just assume that we're going to get more and more of this up until we get to November 5th.
00:19:10.140And we'll see whether they'll it'll subside depending on which way the election goes.
00:19:18.180So Glenn Youngkin of Virginia went on CNN yesterday and Jake Tapper was raising some of these same Trump quotes, trying to get Youngkin to disavow or comment on, etc.
00:19:54.740I don't I don't believe that's what he's saying.
00:19:56.920But listen, you and I are going to argue about that.
00:19:58.620But I would I would suggest if you would also play the quote and I read it to you, if you would also wish that he weren't saying that.
00:20:04.940But that's what he's saying, Jake, all the time people people are taking little snippets of contact and turning it into a big a big narrative.
00:20:13.580I think exactly what he's concerned about, because I've heard him express it before, are the number of national security risks, violent criminals and folks who are coming into this country where we don't know where they are,
00:20:25.180that are committing crimes and put people's safety at risk.
00:20:30.760Interesting. So Youngkin is seizing on the other half of Maria's question there, Josh.
00:20:36.040But, you know, Jake does a sleight of hand there in the way he's right.
00:20:40.300It's like you've forgotten that this was all raised in the context of Biden's predicting chaos on Election Day.
00:20:46.260OK, Maria adds in the fact that we've got these illegals who have done God knows what in this country.
00:20:51.620And what do you think is going to happen? How would you control it to Trump?
00:20:54.400And Trump says, I think we're more a threat from the enemies within who are planning on unleashing chaos.
00:21:00.360And if I need to maintain order, then I will use the National Guard or what I need to use.
00:21:05.160It's not literally you saw how Kamala Harris spun it.
00:21:08.080I will say this, Youngkin, I like him. I would vote for him in a New York minute, but he's no J.D. Vance.
00:21:15.760J.D. Vance has been absolutely killing it, no doubt about that whatsoever on the campaign trail and his interviews.
00:21:21.600Obviously, he clobbered Tim Walls in that VP debate.
00:21:25.080But, you know, just one comment there on Glenn Youngkin.
00:21:27.520So he's totally right to reframe this in the national security counter jihadist, counter terrorist context.
00:21:34.320You know, I'm not sure that I'm ready to move on, Megan.
00:21:37.480I mean, we just had the one year commemoration of October 7th last week.
00:21:40.780I'm not sure that I am ready to move on from what we have seen, for instance, on our campuses marching down Broadway in New York City, Michigan Avenue in Chicago over the past year.
00:21:50.760We have seen the unfurling of of U.S. recognized foreign terrorist organization flags, the Hezbollah flag on Princeton University's campus.
00:21:58.380Glory to our martyrs projected on the side of a building in George Washington University.
00:22:04.440Are there not enemies within right here on U.S. soil that have gotten here in part due to the horrific open border policies of this administration?
00:22:12.680There were eight Tajiki nationals arrested a few months ago with clear ISIS connections.
00:22:16.480They recently arrested a Pakistani national who was threatening to blow up a Chabad site in New York City.
00:22:21.520Yes. Yeah. There were eight Tajiki nationals.
00:22:25.720I don't even know what that is. What's a Tajiki?
00:22:31.880Fair enough. But the point is, there are a lot of people here from all of these various countries, many of which end in Stan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, whatever.
00:22:43.120That are here with clear and unambiguous foreign terror connections.
00:22:48.580And if that is not a domestic enemy within, if the people in Dearborn, Michigan, who are clamoring on the streets, waving the Hezbollah flag and calling Hassan Nasrallah a martyr, which they were literally doing in a clip I saw two days ago in Dearborn, Michigan.
00:23:01.440There was a leading imam. I think the mayor actually might have been there.
00:23:04.020They were all praising the great martyr in Hassan Nasrallah.
00:23:07.400How else to describe this other than an enemy within?
00:23:10.160If it gets out of hand, how is the National Guard not appropriate to quash these enemies within if it actually comes to that?
00:23:18.180So I'm just not buying this faux moral high ground by people like Jake Tapper, who really ought to know better.
00:23:23.700Yeah. All right. So in the meantime, Delano, we've got panic on the Dem front when it comes to men.
00:23:30.380Men writ large and young black and Hispanic men in particular, black and Hispanic men, but in particular, young black and Hispanic men, because the numbers are not good for her with them.
00:23:42.100They're historic at historic lows right now.
00:23:45.020And so she's rolled out a plan that's going to, she thinks, appeal to young black voters and young Hispanic voters like she wants to legalize weed.
00:23:54.100Which, um, Sagar on Jetty was online today saying, just walk me through again how that's not racist.
00:24:01.140I like, I know I'm going to get the young black guys.
00:24:03.720I'm going to start legalizing drugs and then I'll get them all.
00:24:07.000I mean, if Trump did that, can you imagine?
00:24:09.740And something about Bitcoin and, um, she's going to make it easier for them to get loans and so on.
00:24:15.680Um, there are real questions about any, whether any of this is constitutional, her specific plans to get loans for black people that wouldn't presumably be given to white people.
00:24:24.500Um, but what do you make of her, her reach out now?
00:24:27.540Because she's, you know, trying to buy votes.
00:24:29.440I think it's another sign of desperation.
00:24:33.520Um, you know, I've been off of Twitter X for, you know, the last week.
00:24:37.780I told myself I was going to take the month of October off so I can concentrate on things I need to do.
00:24:41.820But, but I, I snuck back on yesterday and I did a quick search of the words black men on her Twitter timeline or X timeline.
00:24:51.400And it went from yesterday, a post yesterday, two posts yesterday, back to 2020.
00:24:56.820So it's clear that the only times that she's interested in messaging to black men are when it's time for an election.
00:25:03.340And this is not, this is not even specific to Kamala Harris.
00:25:06.840The, the, the democratic party is a party of matriarchy and post second wave feminism.
00:25:12.600They, they are not a party that knows how to speak to men largely because it is a party that resents men.
00:25:19.840And there are no men, obviously they, they have issues with, with, you know, straight white men,
00:25:25.480unless they're trying to elect a president like Joe Biden, but they have a particular antipathy towards black men who don't, uh, carry the flag in the same way that black women do.
00:25:36.900Um, and, and so what you see Kamala Harris trying to do is address the problem that's clear that she has with, with black men and going, doing black media.
00:25:45.020And, um, you know, she had, uh, president Barack Obama out in Pittsburgh last week, uh, hectoring and lecturing black men at her campaign, at her campaign site.
00:25:54.120Right. So this is a problem that the party has. This is a structural problem.
00:25:58.580This is not a problem about one specific candidate, a party that upholds the matriarchy and thinks that masculinity is toxic is going to have a problem speaking to men.
00:26:09.800And what I see particularly from her and her surrogates, um, is that they are deaf to the needs of black men.
00:26:16.360And this is why they speak in sign language, shame, insults, guilt, and nagging. Um, and that is their primary method of communication when it comes to this specific demographic group.
00:26:28.420You know, I, I have to say, I really don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear their lectures on how they're not toxically masculine over on the Dem side.
00:26:35.420When they've got a vice presidential candidate who wants to let boys into every single girl's sport locker room and private space.
00:26:43.260And they've got a husband to the next possible female president, first possible female president, uh, who has allegedly hit a woman across the face so hard that she spun around, not to mention knocked up the nanny while he was married to wife.
00:26:55.680Number one, I I've had it. I don't, I don't want to be lectured by these people or the media that refuses to ask Doug Emhoff.
00:27:04.640When he's right in front of them about these allegations, this is not like some random, Oh, somebody sent out a mean tweet about Doug Emhoff that we have no idea where there's this is a in-depth report of the daily mail with three independent witnesses.
00:27:17.020One of whom a professional male who said he was on the phone with her right after she got smacked.
00:27:22.100She's a professional successful lawyer. These are ear witnesses right after the fact, two out of the three, one came a year later and to not even ask him.
00:27:31.420There was yet another loser who had Doug Emhoff right across from her. First, we had Tim Miller of the dispatch. Then we had Scarborough and now we have Molly Jung fast. Screw her.
00:27:41.660She purports to be for women. She and her party. She's got him right across from her. She doesn't ask him. They don't care about women. What they care about is abortion and scaring you into voting for them with abortion.
00:27:58.180OK, sorry. That's my aside. But Tim Walls, too, is out there, Josh, trying to tell people that he this problem with men, black men, all men, it just doesn't exist.
00:28:11.040Like, don't believe your lying eyes. He's not believing his. Take a listen to his messaging on it and saw 28.
00:28:16.940And I'm talking here on this one, especially to the guys. You keep hearing about this gap on there.
00:28:22.360I refuse to admit that that's real because I know that we care deeply. I know these issues matter to you.
00:28:27.440I know they matter to all of us. We need to get especially young men out there to vote.
00:28:32.180This is not damn WWE type stuff. It's not about it's not about, well, it's cool when he talks like this or whatever.
00:28:38.980It's not cool. It hurts people and it leads to violence and it undermines our system.
00:28:43.260That is not cool. And again, they're all talk talk on this. I guarantee you I can shoot better pheasants than them.
00:28:48.300I guarantee you. I guarantee you. Really, Josh?
00:28:54.740Yeah, I'm not sure if Tim Walls can can hunt a better pheasant.
00:28:58.300The video, at least that I saw, showed that he couldn't even properly load a 12 gauge shotgun cartridge in.
00:29:03.620So I'm not entirely sure that he knows what he's talking about when it comes.
00:29:05.780Yeah, right. So I'm not entirely sure that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to pheasant hunting.
00:29:11.560Megan, just real quick before Tim Walls on your excellent point about how they do not care about women.
00:29:15.800I have a very simple point as well to make here.
00:29:17.940What about Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton is still tossed out as a national figure.
00:30:34.820And I'm kind of in an odd place to give advice because I haven't actually raised a child myself.
00:30:39.940But I think I have a decent idea what it means to be a protector of the home and to defend manly traditional values there.
00:30:46.920And there are these people just have no places to look.
00:30:49.340And they have so few places to look these days, Megan, when it comes to what it actually takes to be a man, that they're settling for for, you know, clean your room, basically clean your bed, make your bed.
00:30:58.720The Jordan Peterson advice, because there is such a dearth, there is such a scarcity, a paucity of people who are actually trying to instill into the next generation what it actually takes to be a man.
00:31:08.160It's certainly not clean from the Democratic side of the aisle.
00:31:12.120Yeah. And then you like Jordan Peterson for the very reasons you're stating.
00:31:16.040And you wind up getting called an incel by these Hollywood liberals who have no idea what the attraction is or why these young men feel lost to begin with.
00:31:25.940I have a husband and my husband is very supportive.
00:31:29.060You know, he's he should be the Doug they love because he actually is a very supportive husband of a working woman and an amazing dad with his own career.
00:32:30.940And I think, again, this party is one, you know, the trans issue is one that's obviously become big over the last 10 years.
00:32:38.100But just at a more fundamental level, the party does not know how to handle the biological differences between men and women, right?
00:32:45.880Because and biological, cultural, social.
00:32:49.240I'm thinking back to the vice presidential debate a few weeks ago where the notion that J.D. Vance would push back on the moderators was spun as misogyny.
00:32:58.500So on one hand, Democrats will say we need women and female representation in all areas of society and we want to be treated exactly like the men until they are treated exactly like the men.
00:33:10.080And then it's like, no, we need protectionism from, you know, the way that men typically speak to one another.
00:33:19.380And as I said, this even goes on to policy because these are people who will look at certain industries.
00:33:25.280They'll say, oh, the construction management industry is 95 percent men.
00:33:29.380So we think we should have more women in there.
00:33:31.820So if you are a woman whose husband provides for your family because he works in construction.
00:33:38.180Now you're having to ask yourself, OK, do I do I take one for the sisterhood?
00:33:42.140Right. Would I prefer my husband to be fired so that, you know, someone who hasn't worked 20 plus years in this industry is installed?
00:33:49.880Or do I vote for my household interests?
00:33:52.660And this is why I think the issue of family is at the core of our politics, because when husband and wife, regardless of race, are together as one in terms of a household, then they are going to advocate for the things that benefit them as a family.
00:34:05.720When men and women are separated, then each advances their own interests as a mercenary.
00:34:11.600And it doesn't really matter, you know, what's best for the family.
00:34:14.780And I think Democrats understand that and they exploit that division even within the household.
00:34:19.640Hmm. All right. So I want to talk about some of the problems with the black voters and the young voters.
00:34:25.780How CNN's Harry Enten has been laying this out with his charts, which are helpful.
00:34:31.060And here's we'll start with thought 23.
00:34:35.520Margin among black men under the age of 45 in presidential elections.
00:35:36.720Well, she's still ahead, but the margin here is significantly less than what we saw with Joe Biden back in 2020.
00:35:43.500But let's also talk about motivation, right?
00:35:45.760Because it's not just who you would support.
00:35:47.560It's whether or not you'd come out to the polls.
00:35:49.400And this, I think, is rather interesting.
00:35:50.920Do Democrats say they're more motivated to turn out after Biden left the race?
00:35:54.520Well, we do see a significant portion of Democrats who say, yes, 39 percent.
00:35:58.700The thing I was interested in was it disproportionately younger voters who said that they were more likely to turn out or more motivated to turn out.
00:36:05.920And what we see here is it's 42 percent, not a big difference between 42 and 39 percent.
00:36:11.360So this idea, again, that the vice president has unique potential to dig in and get young voters to turn out.
00:36:17.420John, it's just not there in the numbers, despite all the Internet memes that are going around.
00:36:22.420So I want to look at party identification again.
00:37:08.420And I actually asked about this exact question about this collapse of the Obama coalition.
00:37:12.280Harry basically agreed with my take, which is that you're seeing in real time this.
00:37:17.040You know, Obama was a very unique political phenomenon where he brought together a lot of Hispanics and young voters and black voters and white Ph.D.
00:37:24.460liberals in the Upper West Side of Manhattan, San Francisco, all of that there.
00:37:27.280And over the past five to eight years, really starting back as far at least as 2016 and 2018, but really accelerating over the past few years, you're starting to see this whole coalition collapse, this whole woke, this coalition of aggrieved interests, as I'd like to call it there.
00:37:42.620And young black men, Hispanic voters and young voters are really the three key demographics that are the tip of that spear.
00:37:47.680Because, you know, you know, these three demographics and we're really generalizing here when we talk about these broad demographic groups, let alone trying to aggregate them.
00:37:54.380But overall, if you can try to paint a picture as to what young voters, Hispanic voters and young black men, what above all do they want?
00:38:01.440They want economic stability and basic stability when it comes to the bread and butter issues, economy, inflation, immigration, crime, just basic quality of life issues.
00:38:11.500And the media's hysterical rhetoric notwithstanding, people have an old enough memory to go back to the four years that Donald Trump was president.
00:38:19.280Donald Trump is not a blank slate anymore.
00:38:23.160It was not a total guessing game as to whether he would nominate his pro-abortion sister to the U.S. Supreme Court, as many people thought back then because he floated as a possibility.
00:38:32.660And that track record was a phenomenal track record when it came to the economy up until COVID, which any president obviously would have had a tough time handling.
00:38:39.800It was the lowest black unemployment rate going back to 1960 since Gallup and Pew started having data on this.
00:38:45.980We had transformative peace in the Middle East.
00:39:45.220One, provide one million dollars in loans that would forgive up to twenty thousand dollars, like a million dollar pool that would forgive up to twenty thousand dollars for black entrepreneurs and people of other races to start a business to expand access to affordable banking options that will allow black men and others to tap into more capital.
00:40:03.100Three, new investments to help more black men become teachers for health initiative focused on the diseases that disproportionately affect black people like sickle cell, diabetes and prostate cancer.
00:40:12.980By expanding preventative screening programs, programs and five, legalized marijuana nationally and to ensure that black men who were once disproportionately jailed for using and distributing marijuana can benefit from its business potential.
00:40:41.380I think part of what what candidates do and I see I saw Stacey Abrams do this in the Georgia gubernatorial election a few years ago.
00:40:48.740She took her policy platform that was on the main part of her website and just moved it over to outreach to black men, that part of the website, and then just put black men over it.
00:41:17.860I've seen something, you know, similar.
00:41:20.640The governor of Maryland has been pushing on this hard.
00:41:23.560And I guess the idea is, well, we want black people and black men in particular to be able to participate in the growing, you know, marijuana industry.
00:41:33.380One, I don't think more drugs are good for any community.
00:41:36.800But two, I ask myself, if you promote this as a social good, how are the men who either are engaged in the marijuana business or partake, are they going to be able to drive a school bus, operate, you know, a crane?
00:41:53.880Are they going to be able to be part of your security detail?
00:41:56.400Because if not, why are you promoting things that would make it much more difficult for some of these men to actually get jobs where they can, you know, have a wife and kids and, you know, build a family and support a community?
00:42:08.300So I'm not particularly surprised by this.
00:42:12.960They don't know how to talk to men in general.
00:42:15.560And as I said, they have particular problems with talking to black men.
00:42:19.320And I'll say this, Megan, in terms of the black male support, I think there's a big difference between sort of the private and quiet support where guys may say in their group chat, yeah, I'm voting for Trump and loud and public support.
00:42:32.560And one of the issues that doesn't come up often is that is the fact that being branded as a black Republican or black conservative or even worse to from the less perspective, a black Trump supporter comes with a significant social cost and penalty if you are black and very few people want to pay that cost.
00:42:53.500Now, if things go in a particular way in this election, I believe President Trump will get at least 25 percent of the black male vote.
00:43:03.140If that puts him over the top, particularly black male vote specifically, if that puts him over the top in key swing states, right, if he wins Michigan and Georgia and Pennsylvania because of that, the fury that will be unleashed on black men, right?
00:43:21.620We can all remember back 2017, 53 percent of white women voted for Donald Trump like that.
00:43:26.820That genre of op-ed is going to be at 10x level against black men if they are the ones who put him over the top in some of these key swing states.
00:43:37.560So I hope the guys who are considering either not voting for Kamala Harris or voting for Donald Trump are ready for the pushback that will come because it will get ugly.
00:43:53.860I mean, wear it with a badge of honor.
00:43:55.520And by the way, Josh, for her to be touting, oh, I'm going to legalize pot, you know, to help the black man.
00:44:00.840I'm going to give him a bunch of loans and then I want him applying for them while he's high.
00:44:04.460This is the person who, as Tulsi Gabbard pointed out in that infamous 2019 primary debate, put 1,900 people in jail or prosecuted 1,900 people for pot use.
00:44:17.140Like that's now she's like, yeah, let's toke up.
00:44:20.860You know, does anybody have a roach clip?
00:44:22.400But I mean, just a couple of years ago, once again, she's like putting people in jail for doing this.
00:44:27.200But she's counting on nobody to remember that.
00:44:29.460Yeah, there are so many things that the modern Democratic Party does, Megan, that I wonder, how is that not, in fact, racist?
00:44:37.320I mean, when you were pandering to black voters by saying that I'm going to legalize marijuana so you can get high 24-7, how is that not ipso facto racist?
00:44:46.080When you were decrying voter ID laws as racist to put in a requirement simply to bring an ID to the voting booth to prove that you are who you claim you are.
00:44:55.100I mean, I'm going to run in a special program that's going to make Valium a lot less expensive for you.
00:45:00.320Xanax and Valium are going to be offered to all of you moms at a much lower – like, what the hell?
00:45:10.300And, you know, just one other example that comes immediately to mind.
00:45:12.680So Kristen Clark, who is the very far-left woke assistant attorney general for civil rights right now, she's been an absolute menace over the past few years.
00:45:19.140Her division of the DOJ has recently filed two so-called disparate impact lawsuits, one against the Maryland State Police and the second against the South Bend, Indiana Local Police, alleging disparate impact against blacks and women voters.
00:45:33.220It's allegedly disparate impact against – sorry, against women who want to become police officers in those two jurisdictions.
00:45:40.100It's allegedly disparate impact against them because of the physical test requirements.
00:45:44.360So I'm thinking here about, you know, physically having to train to prove that you can take down a bad guy.
00:45:49.360But perhaps even worse than that, perhaps even worse, Kristen Clark is claiming that there's a disparate impact against blacks who apply to be police officers in these two jurisdictions because there is a written test for proficiency.
00:46:00.740They are literally saying that it is racist to have a 25, 50, 100-question, whatever, multiple-choice test about how to actually be a cop.
00:46:08.400Well, by saying that that is racist, you're actually revealing yourself as the racist.
00:46:13.480I mean, you know, George W. Bush famously called this a soft bigotry of low expectations.
00:46:17.120Clarence Thomas has used much more colorful verbiage in his various affirmative action opinions over the years here.
00:46:21.860It is so infantilizing and belittling and, frankly, disgusting.
00:46:25.940And the fact that some of these people like Kristen Clark happen to be black herself does not make it any better, I would say.
00:46:32.820But it is – I mean, to me, it's kind of interesting just to watch her struggling, right?
00:46:36.140Like, she recognizes she can't get this group of voters to come over her way, and the prescriptions are being thrown at her from all sorts of people, I'm sure.
00:46:47.460I really think – you know, the folks who are on Two Way, like Mark Halperin and Sean Spicer, our friend Dan, they were making this point the other day that,
00:46:55.100A, this is very late in the game to be unleashing new messaging, you know, to target one specific group.
00:47:00.540And the more you zero in on one group, like, I'm going to help – I have all these special ditties for black men.
00:47:07.320The more you turn off other groups who are like, wait a minute, only the black men get the help starting the businesses?
00:47:14.620Only the black men get the Bitcoin help, whatever that one was?
00:47:18.200Like, only the black men get certain of their health ailments studied?
00:47:22.580You know, what about, like, autism, which affects everybody?
00:47:30.220But all she can afford to do right now is risky moves like going on Fox, Delano, because she's definitely hemorrhaging.
00:47:36.760There is nothing that explains her campaign decisions other than that.
00:47:42.420Yeah, and Megan, the point you just made, I think, goes directly back to Josh's point about the collapse of the left's identitarian sort of coalition.
00:47:54.560And, I mean, I have four young kids, you know, between the ages of eight and four.
00:47:58.960And one of the things that I know for a fact is that if I offer something to one of the children – if I only give dessert to one of the children, the other three are going to get very upset about that.
00:48:09.000And what the left has not learned is that, you know, when you treat all of your voters poorly, they will hate you.
00:48:15.100But when you treat some better than others, they will hate each other.
00:48:18.400And I think that's one of the reasons that this – that their coalition is in the midst of collapsing right now.
00:48:24.460Mm-hmm. It's very interesting. Okay. You guys, we have a lot to get to, including another CBS switcheroo on a soundbite that they didn't like because it criticized the Democrats' side.
00:48:36.120We've got to get to Kamala Harris's word salad, and then there's the matter of Bill Clinton and whether he's intentionally tanking this race.
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00:49:50.120On the subject of the outreach to black voters and trying to rally black voters to vote, Kamala, she went on with Roland Martin this week, and he asked her a question about Trump, quote, trashing black cities.
00:50:09.960He was in Detroit earlier in the week and said, look, if I don't win, America is going to look like Detroit, you know, and he was obviously be like Detroit.
00:50:19.060It was a comment about Detroit and its economic struggles.
00:50:22.100We talked about it on this show, but that's Roland Martin's version of he's trashing black cities, right?
00:51:02.440You know, there's this whole, I talked with somebody once who said, you know, if you just look at where the stars are in the sky, don't look at them as just random things.
00:51:14.160If you just look at them as points, look at the constellation, what does it show you?
00:51:54.080When I was there, Chicago was already known for high crime.
00:51:56.760It's actually degraded considerably just over the past three to four years or so.
00:52:00.300In fact, when I took my then girlfriend, now wife, to Chicago with me for the very first time about two and a half years ago, her purse was actually stolen in broad daylight in Streeterville, a very wealthy, nice part of Chicago.
00:52:14.760I mean, this happened in broad daylight in Streeterville, not the kind of thing that would have happened in the South Side or anything like that.
00:52:20.140So, I mean, if I were to if I were to condemn the crime in Chicago, does that make me a racist?
00:52:25.440I mean, like reasonable Americans who have more than one brain cell operating between the ears, who have anything remotely resembling common sense.
00:52:31.540They're just not buying this and they're doubly not buying it when she talks about the constellations in the sky to make some point that I still don't know what she was trying to do.
00:52:48.080As you mentioned, Delano, he's shaming black men, saying you're misogynistic if you're black man and you're not voting for her because it's all about her being a woman.
00:53:34.000And while looking like a little off, he's trying, allegedly, to make the case for Kamala on the subject of illegal immigration.
00:53:45.080And he winds up inadvertently, question mark, making the case for Trump on the subject of Lakin Riley, who was, of course, killed by an illegal who came in this country in 2022 under the Biden-Harris administration.
00:54:01.800And he killed Lakin Riley in Georgia just earlier this year.
00:55:07.020It might be easy to chalk it up to age and to say, you know, Bill Clinton has sort of lost track of what it is that he was saying.
00:55:14.120But I think the substantive point holds, right?
00:55:16.040Everyone can see that the left's immigration policy has been a complete disaster.
00:55:21.920And it's not just for people who live in border towns.
00:55:24.120I mean, I grew up in New York and I have family immigrated to the United States.
00:55:29.180And even in Brooklyn, where you have a significant portion of people who were born in a different country, there are people saying, no, we need to get this immigration issue under control.
00:55:40.820Because it's one thing to have legal immigration.
00:55:43.080I know there are debates on the right as to what those levels should be, right?
00:55:48.380You know, who should be coming and for how long and, you know, how many people should be coming.
00:55:54.620But everyone can agree that unfettered legal immigration is a national security risk as well as just, you know, it undermines law and order.
00:56:05.140So I'm not surprised Bill Clinton says that because every once in a while politicians make a mistake and actually tell the truth.
00:56:12.680I'm just wondering how that plays in Harris-Wall's campaign headquarters.
00:56:33.700He's not used like you're not used to him making mistakes like that.
00:56:39.520Look, I mean, I think Delano just said it very well, actually.
00:56:42.760Every so often a politician slips up and actually says the truth.
00:56:45.780I mean, I mean, this is a very visceral reminder as to just how much the Democratic Party has transmogrified over the course of the past three decades since Bill Clinton was president.
00:56:54.000Under the Bill Clinton presidency, the Democratic Party was famously the party of safe, legal and rare when it came to the abortion issue.
00:57:01.160President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, DOMA, in 96.
00:57:08.420The Democratic Party back then was actually very harsh for the most part on illegal immigration.
00:57:13.460Bill Clinton signed into law in 96 a very tough on illegal immigration bill.
00:57:17.700Harry Reid back then, when he was one of the Senate Democratic leaders from Nevada, actually went so far as to oppose birthright citizenship for illegal aliens.
00:57:25.040Now, when Donald Trump says that 25, 30 years later, they call him a retrograde troglodyte, a racist, fascist, whatever kind of adjective you want to throw out there.
00:57:33.360So Bill Clinton saying the quiet part out loud in this kind of mask off moment there, it really ought to be a moment for the American people to pause and say, hmm.
00:57:44.060You know, why is Democratic Party saying such different things now in the era of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz than it was saying 30 years ago back when it was saying some common sense sort of stuff?
00:57:57.160And am I still a Democrat like Bill Clinton is a reminder of what Democrats used to be?
00:58:03.060And Kamala Harris's version of democracy or being a Democrat, I should say, are it's very, very different.
00:58:08.700OK, so the media, as we've been showing you throughout, very compliant, very, very much rooting for and in the camp of Kamala Harris openly.
00:58:16.460And this was this was evident on CBS News again with one of the CBS News debate moderators, Margaret Brennan, who is just she continues to just disgrace herself.
00:58:30.760So she has a Sunday show and on it, she hosted Speaker Mike Johnson.
00:58:35.640Speaker Mike Johnson was speaking to the hurricane relief efforts.
00:58:40.200And as you guys know, they they they've had problems, serious problems, especially after Helene at the federal level.
00:58:47.380So you saw what happened to CBS and 60 the other day, what they did with Kamala Harris's word salad answer on whether Bibi Netanyahu is listening to us.
00:58:56.780They got rid of some of her inanities and left in just a shorter version and refused to tell us whether that shorter version was, in fact, part of her initial response to the question asked.
00:59:07.120If it came from a different place in the transcript, totally unethical, totally unethical.
00:59:11.440And we deserve an answer as to exactly how this went down, because they released the one longer word salad as a tease.
00:59:16.840They tightened it up and used a totally different phrase set of words for the answer that aired in the actual 60 minutes piece.
00:59:23.780They refused to release the transcript, notwithstanding pressure now, even from Trump to release it from former CBS employees demanding an investigation.
00:59:58.420So anyway, now we get Speaker Johnson on the CBS Sunday show and the VP debate moderator, Margaret Brennan, who asks him a question about hurricane relief.
01:00:09.280And I'm going to show you the version that aired.
01:00:14.500This was obviously pre taped and he taped himself giving the answer and then released his full answer.
01:00:22.240And it's not to say you're not allowed to make any edits whatsoever when you're putting on a program.
01:00:25.580You are. But a substantive edit like this will get you in trouble every time.
01:01:26.460Look, CBS News, I mean, if there is any media outlet out there that is more discredited at this point than CBS News, I can't possibly think of what it is.
01:01:34.140I mean, these are the same people that moderated the vice presidential debate that were fact checking J.D. Vance in real time after explicitly saying that they were not going to do that.
01:01:41.680But as you alluded to, they they they totally chopped up the B.B. Netanyahu answer in Kamala's 16 minutes interview.
01:01:47.420How about the Tony Dokopil, Ta-Nehisi Coates real time struggle session?
01:01:50.980Tony Dokopil, the morning anchor, has the temerity, has the chutzpah to ask some very basic rudimentary questions to the charlatan Ta-Nehisi Coates.
01:01:58.720You're talking about this conflict that you quite literally flew into in the Middle East with no knowledge.
01:02:02.700Why are you not talking about the Sabaro bombing in the second intifada?
01:02:06.120Why are you not talking about Hezbollah, Hamas, all of that?
01:02:08.560And apparently the bigwigs of CBS News were so up in arms that they had a real time Maoist struggle session the next morning.
01:02:14.760By the way, the DEI czar, who they were going to bring in to oversee this hearing, apparently they ditched him at the last minute because he has a social media history of referring to Tim Scott as Uncle Tim.
01:02:26.360That goes back to what Delano was saying about a half hour ago or so about how black men are so stigmatized for supporting conservatives and whatnot there.
01:02:35.880I mean, look, the people have to pause at some point and say the trust in the media right now is the lowest it has been in the recorded history of Gallup Pew public polling on this issue.
01:02:47.800I think the media has the lowest approval rating of maybe any institution in America right now outside of the Congress itself, which has been horrific for multiple decades now.
01:02:57.660Will they ever look in the mirror and ask why?
01:03:00.140And I have to conclude at this point the answer is probably not, which, by the way, is why you see the rise of alternative platforms.
01:03:05.500You see the rise of YouTube and social media and Twitter and Instagram because people just no longer trust the one-time institutional gatekeepers of information.
01:03:12.860And that paradoxically then leads these very same people who are engaging in this sort of slate of hand and ledger domain, that paradoxically then leads them to decry what they see as the purported misinformation and disinformation on these alternative services that they have actually induced the people to go to in the first place to get out of their own failed gatekeeping.
01:03:39.000And, you know, it really is at the detriment of the person who doesn't tape themselves.
01:03:44.060Like, Speaker Johnson was very smart to do it.
01:03:46.000Because you know how it works, Delano.
01:03:47.260You go on one of these shows, you think a point like that will make air, right?
01:03:53.700Like, you don't think you're going to be overly edited, especially on a criticism of the ruling administration on something that's affected thousands, millions of Americans.
01:04:06.380So this is a very much an issue in the news right now.
01:04:09.940And so you give the answer with the criticism, but you don't give it 10 times because when you're giving the interview, you're in your head, you're like, I've already said that.
01:04:19.460And so it's a very effective way for CBS to just get rid of it.
01:04:30.080And now I've cleansed the record for this administration, the same as Margaret Brennan tried to cleanse the record by cutting J.D. Vance's mic when he tried to correct her fake news fact check over our border policies.
01:04:46.500And this is one of the reasons that we have such difficulty and people are resistant to media fact checkers, because at the end of the day, the media does not engage in fact checking.
01:04:58.500The media engages in narrative checking.
01:05:00.800So they choose which facts to include and which to omit.
01:05:06.300They choose the language that they use to frame particular stories.
01:05:10.140And then they do things like this, where they will just cut out substantive portions of a person's response in order to make it appear that they're saying something that they don't say.
01:05:18.140Now, what makes this even worse is that they take this position when they deal with right of center politicians, but when they want to criticize these politicians, particularly in defense of the left, then they will do what they did.
01:05:34.620And I'm thinking back in Florida a few years ago with the entire fake, you know, don't say gay controversy, right, about a law that substantively was about parental rights and education.
01:05:45.380And they do, the corporate press does what it often does, which is act as what I call a media laundering enterprise, where they take ideas, they quote unquote, they wash them in the press.
01:05:58.220And then when they come out on the other side, it allows advocates, activists to say, yes, this is what I heard from this particular CBS News or CNN.
01:06:07.360And this is true because I got it from these particular platforms.
01:06:10.360So they are good at distorting the truth in such a way where they can always say, well, no, as Jake Tapper said, you know, earlier in the program, no, I'm reading his words.
01:06:21.800Yes, but you're reading them out of context.
01:06:23.840And I remember an old pastor of mine says that whenever you take a text out of context, all you're left with is a con.
01:06:32.360You know, speaking of fact checking, in our next hour, we're going to have Steve Ballmer, reportedly the world's seventh richest man.
01:06:40.640He owns the L.A. Clippers, and he used to run Microsoft for many, many years and was in on the ground floor of it with Bill Gates.
01:06:47.300He's going to be here because he's talking about a fact.
01:06:50.580It's not a fact checker, but it's a fact offerer.
01:06:55.640The name of the website is USA facts dot org, and it's a website that's basically going to offer real facts about, for example, our economics and our crime rates and so on.
01:07:08.360And he's done everything humanly possible to take all bias out of it.
01:07:12.700And we'll get into whether that's even possible when it comes to reporting facts on controversial issues in our next hour.
01:07:21.080Okay, last but not least, I want to update our audience, and you guys might find this interesting, on a Twitter account, an X account now, that has been pushing a story we have covered to some extent on this show and now is pushing an incendiary story about Tim Walz.
01:07:38.200Um, the audience may know the Twitter website or the account goes under the name Black Insurrectionist.
01:07:45.180And the reason we talked about it on this show was he made some incendiary posts about a month ago after the ABC News presidential debate between Trump and Harris and said he'd been in touch with a whistleblower from within ABC News who was alleging that he has worked at ABC News for 10 years, that he heard conversations amongst executives, that he has them on tape,
01:08:10.880and that they revealed that ABC News inappropriately coordinated with the Harris campaign in advance of the debate to do a couple of things, including not ask her anything about her time as AG, which they didn't at the debate,
01:08:26.280to not ask her anything about her brother-in-law and his tenure over at the Department of Justice, which has been immersed in some controversy,
01:08:34.400and to not ask her anything about Biden's mental acuity, none of those subjects was breached at the debate.
01:08:42.580But this alleged whistleblower was claiming he knew that they wouldn't be touched, and he knew it the day before the debate,
01:08:49.980and that he filled out a signed, sworn, verified affidavit, which is a document you sign in the law under the penalties of perjury,
01:08:57.000the day before the debate, and that he mailed certified mail, a copy of said affidavit, sworn, to Speaker Mike Johnson the day before the debate.
01:09:09.560And then in the wake of the debate, he was proven correct.
01:09:12.800He had the audio tapes. He was going to come forward with them, and he was lighting the internet on fire.
01:09:19.060You had a Republican congressman saying, was calling for hearings on Capitol Hill.
01:09:22.460You had very prominent lawmakers from Ted Cruz to just notables like Bill Ackman saying,
01:09:27.340this must be investigated within, possibly by the SEC, if true.
01:09:32.980And we reported that on this show, and I did tell the audience I did not put my credibility behind this guy,
01:09:39.100but that we needed to raise it because it was turning into a thing.
01:11:51.440Look, I live here in Florida, Macon, and we've gotten battered by multiple hurricanes recently.
01:11:56.140We had Hurricane Helene and we had Hurricane Milton.
01:11:58.480And, you know, I was filling in on the radio last Monday.
01:12:01.420I was trying to project to both the South Florida area and also to Tampa Bay, trying to encourage them to prepare for this, to prepare for Hurricane Milton, to go to the grocery store, to get your jugs of water, to get your non-perishables, your canned goods, whatnot.
01:12:16.520I mean, does it really help when someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying that they're doing this to you, deliberately vague as of who the they is, whether it's the Jews or the government or perhaps someone else there?
01:12:33.600You control everything, Josh, for the love of God.
01:12:35.600I mean, it's a very, very big group, very powerful.
01:12:38.880You know, Megan, sometimes I wish that my people controlled everything, given how much the Jews are being killed out there in the information war and the PR war over the past year.
01:12:46.640But neither here nor there, I suppose, for present purposes.
01:12:49.800But, you know, I had a similar thought to this back at the Baltimore Bridge collapse when that happened back, I think it was in late March as well.
01:12:55.620You know, people just immediately go to the absolute craziest thing that will get you retweets, reposts, whatever Elon Musk is calling it these days there.
01:13:05.660On the one hand, it is true that many things that our ruling class dismisses as so-called conspiracy theories end up being the case.
01:13:12.480We all remember the COVID-19 origin, the Wuhan lab, the Hunter Biden laptop where you had the 51 deep state spooks.
01:13:19.120The next day, Jim Clapper, John Brennan trying to dismiss this Russian disinformation.
01:13:22.500Yes, the ruling class has complete egg on its face when it comes to a lot of things they have tried to shunt aside as misinformation or as fake news or whatever, conspiracy theory.
01:13:33.540But on the other hand, that doesn't necessarily mean you have to try to put out the craziest thing imaginable, as you say, just to try to hurt the other side.
01:14:07.460But I think we know where that's going to go.
01:14:09.460In any event, you you just have to be you have to be careful.
01:14:13.980Right. Because I think what could happen is you run with, let's say, what he's peddling right now.
01:14:20.420And then when that turns out to be absolutely untrue, if and when it does, you've embarrassed yourself.
01:14:26.400And there are many people theorizing that this this could all be a kind of an op by the other side to trap people.
01:14:33.500Right. With credibility or online into saying, repeating these incendiary things only to then later be embarrassed.
01:14:42.440Yeah, I think instead of focusing on fact checking and I chuckle when the people who talk about wanting to do fact checks are the people who believe that men can get pregnant.
01:14:51.620But to me, that would that would be the first question I would ask to anyone who wants to be in that business.
01:14:57.000Right. Just sort of true up my scales a little bit.
01:14:59.280But but I do think that media literacy, information literacy is a bipartisan sort of multiracial, multiethnic, multireligious.
01:15:08.480Every American needs this because to Josh's point, when you remove the gatekeepers, you also remove one of the things that they that they bring.
01:15:16.420Right. Which is a sense of discipline and order and structure in terms of our, you know, information systems.
01:15:23.480And now we're at a point where no matter who we're talking about, what side of the aisle they fall on, there's going to be someone pushing some some information that says that this person is the worst person in the world.
01:15:34.920And and it's something that can catch both the left and the right in its net.
01:15:39.060And that's why I'm a firm believer, obviously, in checking your sources, getting, you know, first person accounts.
01:15:45.160It's to me, the heavier the claim, the more evidence and you need to bring to bear.
01:15:49.220And I think this is something that politicians on both sides of the aisle.
01:15:53.260It does not matter, you know, whether you are conservative and you're talking about, you know, immigrants in one particular Midwestern city or or you're a liberal and you're talking about people who are clinging to the God and guns.
01:16:07.060And and advancing certain theories about, you know, what people do in their personal lives.
01:16:11.780So this is needed today more than ever, because the next generation, who I think is has their digital natives and have grown up with devices and ubiquitous information, have never heard of the Dewey Decimal System, have never had to go and check out a book from a library.
01:16:28.660They are going to be even more vulnerable to this type of thing, because what people instinctively do is to find information that can confirms their priors and sort of reaffirms their existing narratives.
01:16:43.260Yeah. Stay in the business of truth seeking and then decide how you feel about it.
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01:21:08.980He went over to the now multibillion-dollar company, Microsoft, and for 14 years, Steve Ballmer served as the chief executive officer there.
01:21:18.600Under his leadership, revenue at the company more than tripled, and in 2014, just months after he retired as CEO, instead of getting on a yacht and moving to St. Barts, he purchased the Los Angeles Clippers basketball team for a whopping $2 billion.
01:21:37.720And in the 10 years since, he's doubled the franchise's worth, and it seems to have brought him quite a bit of psychic income as well.
01:21:46.800Now he's got this new project that is and feels philanthropic, and this one's for all of us.
01:21:55.540He is the founder of USA Facts, with a mission to provide unbiased information rooted in data.
01:22:03.180You can find said facts at USAFacts.org.
01:22:13.940I went over, of course, just to check it out and to see whether I thought USAFacts.org was unbiased, because I'm always primed to find bias if it's there.
01:22:38.900Well, I actually started the project in 2014, right after I retired.
01:22:46.000My wife had been focusing in on philanthropic activities, really focused on kids and families who might not have a shot at the American dream, if you will.
01:22:57.660And I told her, no, no, no, no, no, I'm tired.
01:26:13.760But if it's in the context of 100, so we're very careful to provide historical context, context in terms of other numbers that government produces.
01:26:24.120And if we do those things, I think we've been able to stay well anchored.
01:26:27.940Now, also, before we first published, we had some folks, political folks, on both the right and the left, take a look at our stuff and say, hey, what do you see?
01:37:42.820We could put the put the plane down for a minute and we could get some pizza.
01:37:45.920So now the flight attendants are calling every pizza joint in town of the, you know, state that they're over or the city they're going to land in.
01:39:27.780Number two, I could buy a basketball team.
01:39:31.900I really could buy a basketball team, which, you know, when you're a kid, people say, oh, did you always dream of owning a basketball team?
01:39:43.820Not only did I get to buy a basketball team, we just finished building a two-plus-billion-dollar arena that I think is the best.
01:39:52.940It's almost the best product I was ever, thank you, that I was ever involved with.
01:39:57.200So you get, you know, that kind of ability.
01:40:00.880You know, philanthropically, you know, for example, we paid for, I don't know, 18,000 kids in Detroit, K-8 Detroit area, to do a six-week summer program this summer.
01:41:05.140And you have managed, you know, we went back and looked at what you've donated to and so on.
01:41:10.000And it is like you have maintained a line right down the middle and helped like some very good and indisputably excellent charities and groups.
01:41:21.420We kind of need you back on the front lines in the political fight that's going on in our country right now.
01:41:27.600Not to take a side exactly, but to help with real solutions.
01:41:31.680And I'll tell you why I'm leading into it that way.
01:41:33.580I was at the All In Summit not long ago with, I'm sure, lots of guys you know, like David Sachs and others.
01:41:41.360And they were asking me what I thought we should do to change politics and just how messed up they are.
01:41:49.640And we talked a little bit about Citizens United and how much money funnels into politics.
01:41:54.420But I said to them, I just really think bottom line, because they said, well, if you could wave a magic wand and change the political system or add a constitutional amendment, what would you do?
01:42:03.580And I said, I just really don't think the answers are coming from there.
01:42:06.680I said, I think they're coming from places like this, like this audience that we were sitting in front of.
01:42:11.860People outside of the political system who are problem solvers.
01:42:29.980It's just keep filtering, keep filtering to try to get out biases and slants and so on.
01:42:36.940How do we expand this to a place where we can problem solve when it comes to things like the debt that we're about to shove on our children?
01:42:48.040Both candidates, big on spending, big, right?
01:42:52.000How do we do something like that, Steve?
01:42:53.860I think we, first of all, go all the way back to civics classes, which is what they were called when I was in school.
01:43:11.540But without any sense of what government looks like by the numbers, how are we really educating our kids to participate in the political process?
01:43:24.920So I think, you know, even going back to education, and we're thinking a lot about how we get our stuff into a form that can be relevant in high school.
01:43:35.380I talked to a high school teacher, somebody I happen to know, and they're using some of our videos.
01:43:40.020And I was real proud, but it got me stimulated to think again about going all the way back to high school education, if you will.
01:43:50.580Number two, I really think our political leaders, there should be almost a mandate that they all read and agree with some fundamental set of facts.
01:44:03.800When I was CEO of Microsoft, you know, the SEC makes you sign a document.
01:44:19.640Why can't we get our political leaders to have to sign up to say, hey, look, I know the data.
01:44:26.420You can agree or disagree with me about why and what.
01:44:30.420I just think it's almost, I just think it's really, really not okay for our political leaders to not be held to account for producing and understanding not every layer of detail,
01:44:44.260but some fundamental information about our country.
01:44:47.300Number three, there are tools that we see being able to build in our future in which you could take almost any piece of media, if you will, and let people in real time click and check.
01:45:05.020Okay, this is what so-and-so is saying.
01:45:16.520And with artificial intelligence, maybe not immediately, totally, because of the, you know, possibility for hallucination.
01:45:25.660We're working through how we'd avoid that.
01:45:28.160But right there, when you're reading something or watching something, boom, you ought to be able to get the answers to your question.
01:45:34.660And, you know, even older people need a level of education.
01:45:38.660We put out these, what we call just the facts from USA Facts videos.
01:45:42.820I showed them to my wife and she said, oh, wow, I didn't realize that number would be that big.
01:45:49.220Or, ooh, that was interesting to me, being surprised by some of the things that are just outside the day-to-day world in which she and I happen to live.
01:46:01.460So, I think there's three, four, five things where you can get people ready to go, including our politicians, and have that really help propel a better political environment.
01:46:13.560Now, will there still be people who just disagree about what to do?
01:46:55.100But don't, don't tell me you're going to work on something without taking a look at it and acknowledging the, let's call it the elephant in the room.
01:54:41.560But when they were growing up, when they were prime in college and high school age, that's when social media, you know, completely blossomed, if you will.
01:54:49.660And, you know, but so I haven't had as much of a personal experience on that.
01:54:59.440And there's no good there's no data that confirms social media and depression, or at least not to my eye, confirms that connection.
01:55:10.800You got to go look at the hearings with Mark Zuckerberg and Instagram and his apology to the room for what it's done, in particular, little girls.
01:55:37.680It could be your level of success, or it could be just a family that's making it upper middle class, and they don't want their kids to think, this is how life is.
01:55:45.600You know, they want them to be hungrier.
01:55:47.840Did you and your wife wrestle with that?
01:55:49.560Because you got the same wife that you married way back years ago.
01:56:18.280Even while we're alive, they'll be more comfortable than not.
01:56:22.460And certainly when we pass, they will.
01:56:25.620With that said, we think if you create an expectation of getting big money when you are younger, if we create an expectation of just the way it is, at our level of wealth, it's a completely different program.
01:56:46.860But large, to me, means in this context, large is a percentage.
01:57:44.920Although, on the other hand, it could be just an absolutely wonderful life where you are both well-adjusted, know you're loved, and have some dough in the bank.
01:57:53.260So you don't have the sickening feeling every month at the end of it, you know, when the bills come.
01:58:43.500We simply report what's out there, and we document what we reported.
01:58:50.300So we will tell you, these are the numbers that the, I think in this case it's the UCR, the FBI, as opposed to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
01:59:00.520We will tell you, this is what we're publishing.
01:59:04.300We will tell you what is there and what is not there.
01:59:07.640In fact, in many of these cases, we highlight, hey, you know, the fact that you might want to actually push your legislators to make sure this gets better.
01:59:17.380Now, we do live in a, you know, sort of a federal system of government.
01:59:22.540And so there are some things the federal government, as it pushes to collect data, there are some things that it can incent with money local jurisdictions to do.
01:59:32.640But ultimately, whether it's Dallas, Texas, or San Francisco, or whatever, the police departments do have some latitude in what they report.
01:59:44.500And I think our job in our work is to note what is there, what is not there, and help put pressure on government to get better reporting done.
01:59:57.300So, in a way, it doesn't tax us as much as you might think.
02:00:07.460But at the same time, we can, I think, remain true to our mission in the way we present the data.
02:00:14.720Okay, what would you have done, for example, during COVID, when we had the debate about where COVID started, or whether the vaccine worked in the way they were telling us it worked in the beginning, claiming it stopped the spread, and so on?
02:00:30.220Like, would you have even taken that on?
02:00:33.560Hey, I'll take COVID and the spread, okay?
02:00:36.700Okay, and again, we don't explain causality, but we can give you a timeline, and we do it.
02:03:32.020I'm doing to you what I did at Google and Facebook.
02:03:34.420I'm giving you a heads up that this stuff, you should, you should make sure one of the people at USAFacts.org is a legitimate conservative who is in tune with, even if they're not pushing you to go right, that's not the point.
02:03:49.520The point is to just have, I have a job, but to have somebody say, we need to be aware that this is a controversy and to make sure that bias doesn't come in right to our, because in other words, I'd hate to see USAFacts.org just become another one of those, you know, like fact checkers.
02:04:08.660Like for years, we were told PolitiFact was apolitical.
02:04:11.740Well, I saw that guy on Morning Joe this morning, hard left, ripping on Trump, saying he's, you know, all this stuff and how he's this big Democrat.
02:04:18.720But we can't have that happen if you want USAFacts.org to stay what you want it to be.
02:04:24.400But for example, that's why we are not fact checkers.
02:04:31.920When you get involved in fact checking, the biggest issue that's partisan is which facts you choose to check.
02:04:40.500If you choose to check the facts that represent your political point of view, that's certainly a partisan activity.
02:04:48.720So we produce source material, if you will, for context.
02:04:53.880You know, we pick topics that run the gamut of all the things in which government is involved.
02:05:01.700Now, do we have people who really look at this with a little bit more conservative bent?
02:05:07.820Yes, people both inside our organization and outside our organization.
02:05:15.460Now, I think of myself, frankly, as very much a centrist.
02:05:18.640I mean, conceptually, I think of myself as a centrist.
02:05:21.660That means different things to different people, if you will.
02:05:24.740But I find it not that hard for me to highlight to people how, you know, either the right and let me say truthfully, the left will look at some of our stuff and say, were we biased in the way we presented that?
02:05:41.200So we do have some people who could do that, who do bring an opinion from the right.