The Megyn Kelly Show - New Dem ＂Enemy＂ Lie, Pandering to Black Men, and Unbiased Facts, with Josh Hammer, Delano Squires, and Steve Ballmer ｜ Ep. 917

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00:00:30.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111, every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.460 Well, it does appear that desperation is setting in over on Team Blue

00:00:51.560 as Vice President Kamala Harris ramps up her rhetoric against former President Donald Trump 0.95

00:00:56.160 through a new lie about, quote, the enemy within, a phrase she keeps using against him

00:01:04.020 and, to be honest, misusing against him. We'll fact check it.

00:01:08.300 Meantime, her media tour has her interviewed by Charlemagne Lagarde, who's been on this program

00:01:13.380 too, tonight, Brett Baer tomorrow night, and could Joe Rogan be in her future?

00:01:18.740 Trump let it slip on a podcast this week that he's going on Rogan. I haven't heard Rogan say it yet.

00:01:27.160 In the last election, Rogan refused to have Trump on because he said he didn't want to help him.

00:01:30.880 You know, he seems to have moved more to the right since then. He was a Bernie Sanders voter back then, Rogan was.

00:01:37.740 So, I believe it'll likely happen. He's obviously friends, well, friendly with Elon. He's had Tucker on, so we'll see.

00:01:46.760 But for Kamala Harris to go on Joe Rogan, I mean, can you imagine? Would she do the three-hour? 0.98

00:01:51.220 I will be glued to my phone. I hope it happens.

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00:02:43.880 As we've been reporting, the polls are tightening.

00:02:46.760 I mean, it's dead even now.

00:02:48.760 The NBC poll, the ABC poll, ABC had her up too. 0.90

00:02:52.300 NBC had them perfectly tied.

00:02:53.880 Both were a slip from a five-point heritage advantage.

00:02:57.760 So you can see for her team, though, tied is better than losing.

00:03:02.000 She's going in the wrong direction.

00:03:03.900 And you can tell because Vice President Kamala Harris is starting to think of desperation,

00:03:09.300 as my friend Maureen used to say.

00:03:11.720 She thinks of desperation.

00:03:13.300 Not about her, but it's just about randos.

00:03:15.060 I mean, why else would she be going on Fox News after being completely cloistered since she launched?

00:03:22.140 Now she's going on Fox. 0.67

00:03:23.260 She might go on Rogan.

00:03:25.000 She's desperate.

00:03:26.060 She's seeing something very alarming on her internals that we're just starting to see in the public polling.

00:03:31.920 So in the context of all of this, yesterday, her campaign rolled out a new-ish, kind of like revamped, old attack that's sort of now a new attack against former President Donald Trump.

00:03:44.260 And it's right in line with what we were told will be part of her new strategy, which is trying to demonize Trump.

00:03:50.380 Welcome to the new strategy.

00:03:51.800 Same as the old one.

00:03:52.620 Of course, it's been many years we have heard how Mr. Trump is a threat to democracy himself.

00:03:58.300 He's going to end the Constitution, they say, taking out some random quote from some random tweet or truth social post.

00:04:06.360 It's strange how I haven't heard him actually promising to do that or saying it over and over again on the campaign trail.

00:04:12.340 But, okay, that's what they want to go with, though we're supposed to ignore all the things Kamala Harris said in writing and explicitly she wanted to do just in 2019.

00:04:20.720 But that's just how politics works.

00:04:22.840 They're going over and over again how he'll use the Department of Justice to go after his political enemies.

00:04:28.240 I mean, a party that did that would be absolutely horrid.

00:04:31.020 You would never want them to win the White House, would you?

00:04:32.820 But this new-ish line of attack is that Trump sees anyone who does not support him, anyone who does not support him, as a, quote, an enemy from within, against whom he might unleash the U.S. military.

00:04:49.780 All right?

00:04:50.300 That's where they've gone with some comments Trump has made on the campaign trail lately that do not say that.

00:04:57.620 But when pulled out of context and bastardized, sure, you could make him say anything, same as I could make an AI bot say anything.

00:05:06.000 It began yesterday with a new ad released by the Harris campaign.

00:05:09.140 Watch.

00:05:10.220 Donald Trump, more dangerous, more erratic than ever before. 0.99

00:05:13.560 Echoing fascists. 0.97

00:05:14.680 The worst people are the enemies from within.

00:05:17.640 The enemy from within are more dangerous than Russia. 0.99

00:05:20.820 We have some very bad people.

00:05:22.160 It should be very easily handled by the military.

00:05:24.240 Trump's basically going to have the Army show up at your front door if you don't vote for him.

00:05:30.340 Sounds ominous.

00:05:31.860 But we just decided to take a little fact check of the examples in that ad.

00:05:35.980 In the first clip, you heard Mr. Trump say the worst people are the enemies from within.

00:05:41.300 The clip was taken from a rally he held in Coachella, California this past weekend.

00:05:44.900 In the full clip, Mr. Trump was talking about Congressman Adam Schiff.

00:05:50.900 The worst people are the enemies from within.

00:05:55.600 The sleazebags, like a guy that you're going to elect to the Senate.

00:05:59.220 Shifty Adam Schiff.

00:06:00.340 He's a sleazebag.

00:06:02.920 That's it.

00:06:04.060 He doesn't like Adam Schiff.

00:06:05.580 Who cares?

00:06:06.980 What the voters need to remember, it was Congressman Schiff who pushed the Russian collusion lie for years, years against Trump.

00:06:16.700 He eventually got censured for being a liar and said he wore it like a badge of honor.

00:06:21.920 He's open about it.

00:06:23.320 He promoted it all over MSNBC.

00:06:26.000 Date time, prime time, he couldn't get enough of the cameras to say how bad Trump was.

00:06:29.320 He read the Steele dossier into the congressional record.

00:06:33.020 And when the investigation fell apart, he never owned it.

00:06:37.980 He never apologized.

00:06:39.600 He never showed any remorse because he feels none.

00:06:42.980 He tried to ruin Trump's first term with a phony lie about him being a Russian agent.

00:06:52.660 Mr. Schiff has wanted to see Mr. Trump impeached, thrown out of office.

00:06:57.880 He's been hoping and praying to see Donald Trump led away in handcuffs.

00:07:01.760 So maybe that's why Donald Trump sees him as the enemy.

00:07:04.900 Because it's what Mr. Schiff loves to be when it comes to Donald Trump.

00:07:10.060 So please spare me and keep that in mind when you see these dishonest ads.

00:07:14.660 Next up in the ad, you hear Trump say the enemy from within are more dangerous than Russia.

00:07:20.460 This was taken from a rally in Wisconsin on October 6th.

00:07:23.340 He was actually talking about fascists, Marxists, and communists that he believes are pulling the strings in Washington. 0.74

00:07:33.040 The enemy from within, the crazy lunatics that we have, the fascists, the Marxists, the communists, the people that we have that are actually running the country, not her. 0.90

00:07:43.640 She's not running it, and Biden's not running it either, and you all know that. 0.98

00:07:46.760 Those people are more dangerous, the enemy from within, than Russia and China. 0.99

00:07:53.600 This is a political argument.

00:07:55.260 This is generic political argument.

00:07:57.800 These people are our enemies, same as he says, the press is the enemy of the people.

00:08:02.560 They're working against the will of the people to undermine democracy.

00:08:06.380 I mean, this is like the Democrats say this stuff all the time.

00:08:08.960 This is not about arresting private citizens in their home or unleashing the Navy SEALs as you go for a swim in the Atlantic to come get you because you voted, you voted Trump.

00:08:20.180 The last example in her ad is one the campaign, Harris campaign and corporate media are really seizing on.

00:08:27.220 In the ad, Trump says we have some very bad people, should be very easily handled by the military, going to have paratroopers landing in your backyard wanting to see how you voted.

00:08:38.800 It was taken from an interview he just did with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business this past Sunday.

00:08:43.820 But the question Trump was asked was whether he was expecting any chaos on Election Day.

00:08:51.660 And the reason she asked him that is that President Biden recently said he's concerned Election Day will not be peaceful.

00:09:00.120 And he's clearly suggesting Trump supporters will be responsible for that.

00:09:06.260 And he that Miss Bartiromo in the question poses to Trump, what do you think is going to happen?

00:09:11.920 And in setting it up, she reminds him that since he's left office, many foreign nationals have illegally come over the border.

00:09:19.280 So she kind of raises two issues in one, saying we've got illegals here who are murderers.

00:09:23.820 You'll hear it.

00:09:24.700 And also, Joe Biden says we're going to have chaos on Election Day.

00:09:27.640 So what do you think?

00:09:28.640 And you will hear in Mr. Trump's answer.

00:09:30.560 He is talking about possible Election Day chaos, which she raised and Biden raised in reference to leftist radicals and the potential use of the National Guard and military if things spin out of control.

00:09:45.160 Listen.

00:09:46.380 What about that, though?

00:09:47.600 Are you expecting chaos on Election Day?

00:09:49.980 No, I know things not from the side that votes for Trump.

00:09:52.980 But I'm just wondering if these outside agitators will start up on Election Day.

00:09:58.620 Let's say you win.

00:09:59.500 I mean, let's not let's let's remember, you've got 50,000 Chinese nationals in this country in the last couple of years.

00:10:04.160 There are people on the terrorist watch list, 350 in the last couple of years.

00:10:07.880 You got, like you said, 13,000 murderers and 15,000 rapists.

00:10:13.580 What are you expecting?

00:10:14.960 Joe Biden said he doesn't think it's going to be a peaceful Election Day.

00:10:18.120 Well, he doesn't have any idea what's happening in warfare as he spends most of his days sleeping.

00:10:24.500 I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in and destroying our country.

00:10:31.220 By the way, totally destroying our country.

00:10:33.400 The towns, the villages, they're being inundated.

00:10:36.400 But I don't think they're the problem in terms of Election Day.

00:10:39.140 I think the bigger problem are the people from within.

00:10:41.880 We have some very bad people. 1.00

00:10:43.180 We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. 0.50

00:10:45.980 And I think they're the big and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen. 0.96

00:10:58.680 It makes perfect sense what he is saying.

00:11:01.620 Who organized all these protests on college campuses?

00:11:04.140 People like George Soros, who funded the tents and wanted chaos on the campuses because he wants a very different agenda than a capitalist free society like we actually have here in America.

00:11:15.980 What do you think she's talking about there?

00:11:18.160 What do you think Donald Trump is thinking about?

00:11:19.660 He's thinking about the chaos that Joe Biden says is going to happen on Election Day.

00:11:23.600 Maria's saying, yeah, there could be.

00:11:25.240 What would you do? 0.99

00:11:26.100 And he's saying, I would not let that shit spin out of control like we've seen in other situations. 0.99

00:11:32.000 Right? 0.99

00:11:32.260 He's saying, if I need the National Guard to maintain order around an election, then I will use it.

00:11:36.980 He's not saying he's going to go arrest people who vote for Trump in their home. 0.98

00:11:41.040 It's just ridiculous. 0.96

00:11:43.840 Anyway, you know what they do.

00:11:45.920 Here was Vice President Harris and Governor Tim Walz last night thinking they got a live one.

00:11:50.580 Watch.

00:11:51.800 Americans who don't support him.

00:11:53.280 Just to be clear, if any of your neighbors or friends or anybody thinks about that, you know who he's talking about?

00:11:57.980 He's talking about you.

00:11:59.000 He's talking about the enemy within our country, Pennsylvania.

00:12:03.060 He's talking about that he considers anyone who doesn't support him or who will not bend to his will an enemy of our country.

00:12:17.440 This is among the reasons I believe so strongly that a second Trump term would be a huge risk for America and dangerous.

00:12:30.320 Could you please stop?

00:12:33.680 Could you just please stop?

00:12:34.860 All right, because the man's already had two assassination attempts and that kind of rhetoric is not helpful.

00:12:40.680 You know you're lying.

00:12:41.880 The media complied.

00:12:43.260 They lied, too. 1.00

00:12:44.180 It's such bullshit. 1.00

00:12:45.640 Anyone who does not support him is going to get arrested or get a visit from the military. 1.00

00:12:51.820 Sure.

00:12:52.620 Sure.

00:12:53.600 Joining me now to discuss this and much more, Josh Hammer, senior editor at large for Newsweek and host of the Josh Hammer Show and America on Trial.

00:13:00.060 With Josh Hammer and also with me, Delano Squires.

00:13:03.240 He's a research fellow at the Heritage Foundation and a contributor at The Blaze.

00:13:07.000 Guys, welcome.

00:13:07.700 So irritating.

00:13:08.680 So dishonest.

00:13:10.040 Two beats of a pause and boom.

00:13:12.680 Right back to the incendiary rhetoric about what a threat to our country, the future of our country and people's individual liberties he is.

00:13:21.360 Josh.

00:13:22.020 Yeah, Megan, where to begin here?

00:13:23.320 So first of all, from one lawyer to another, the last I checked, the president of the United States takes an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

00:13:33.260 So if it is if it is not appropriate to talk about domestic enemies, that would have been news to James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and all the family fathers.

00:13:40.880 They literally put that as a requirement every time the commander in chief takes the oath of office.

00:13:45.860 Second of all, what he is clearly talking about, as you just alluded to, is actual domestic anarchy, the likes of which we saw during the Black Lives Matter and TIFA riots in the summer of 2020.

00:13:55.400 That was when Tom Cotton, God bless him, wrote the now infamous New York Times op-ed calling to send in the troops.

00:14:01.340 Tom Cotton was right to call for that.

00:14:03.180 And by the way, in hindsight, you know, Donald Trump didn't actually really follow that advice, did he?

00:14:08.120 He didn't actually call in the National Guard.

00:14:10.800 Yeah, and he was president.

00:14:11.900 He didn't actually follow that advice.

00:14:13.460 So they're crying wolf where we had a clear example of him actually having the ability to do this, to follow a leading senator, Tom Cotton.

00:14:21.100 He actually chose not to do it.

00:14:23.040 Second of all, though, I think the more important point here, we are dealing with a Democrat lawfare complex right now, Megan, as you and I have discussed on your show before.

00:14:31.100 That is prosecuting him twice at the federal level and two at the state level.

00:14:35.640 They are coming at him with everything they've got to throw him in jail, to bankrupt him, to destroy his lives.

00:14:42.000 There have been two, possibly three, assassination attempts now, if you include the Riverside County stuff at Coachella this past Sunday.

00:14:48.060 They have come within literal millimeters of taking out his life on national television before a global audience, calling him a threat to democracy, a fascist, Hitlerite dictator.

00:14:57.620 Throw in all these adjectives and adverbs that you want to there.

00:15:00.280 At some point, you would think you would have a modicum of self-awareness such that you lose the moral high ground to condemn your opponent for talking about the concept of domestic enemies, which, oh, by the way, as I just said a minute ago, the founding fathers actually explicitly put into the oath of office.

00:15:17.720 So this is absurd.

00:15:19.520 I believe this is what psychologists call projection as well, frankly.

00:15:23.600 And I don't think none of us should have any of it. 0.99

00:15:25.460 It's total, total bullshit, as you said. 0.99

00:15:27.900 Tulano, what do you make of it? 1.00

00:15:28.840 Yeah, I mean, Josh threw the words right out of my mouth, particularly on the projection point, right?

00:15:33.940 When they talk about a second Trump term would be weaponizing the Department of Justice against your political enemies.

00:15:40.500 In my mind, I'm like, OK, that's what we're living through right now.

00:15:44.080 And this is just a reminder that the left often accuses the right of exactly what it is doing at any given time.

00:15:50.060 So I'm not surprised by this.

00:15:52.000 To me, this is, to your point, Megan, this is what a campaign that's in desperation mode looks and sounds like.

00:16:00.320 But, you know, the left is fine with fiery political rhetoric as long as they are the ones doing the speaking.

00:16:07.000 And conservatives are the ones who are at the other end of that type of language.

00:16:13.140 Listen to this, Tulano, because they really I mean, we've seen the polls tighten.

00:16:19.320 You know, we've seen it from Kamala Harris had the bounce or the bump, whatever, since the she was anointed and she was kind of up here. 1.00

00:16:25.340 There's a little difference between them.

00:16:26.780 And now we've seen it go steadily down like this to where they are.

00:16:29.920 They're tied.

00:16:30.540 And most people believe that the tie goes to Trump, whether they fix the polls or not.

00:16:35.920 Trump does a very good job historically of getting the low propensity voters to come out for him.

00:16:40.360 And they're very worried that's going to happen again and that those college educated white liberals are not going to be able to get her over the top. 1.00

00:16:48.700 So as a result, just take a look at what has happened now.

00:16:53.000 This is a montage of some Democrats and never Trumpers.

00:16:55.680 I mean, truly going into meltdown mode with three weeks to go literally to the day as of today.

00:17:01.420 Donald Trump, anybody who doesn't agree with him is the enemy.

00:17:05.380 This is not Dukakis versus Bush, that this is not Republican versus Democrat.

00:17:11.040 This is not left versus right.

00:17:12.640 We are talking about the possibility of the return to power of of a of a convicted felon, rapey seditionist who threatens to undo the constitutional order.

00:17:24.920 There is a coming massive crisis that's going to occur on November 5th with the election.

00:17:30.540 In which even if Kamala Harris wins the election and wins those battleground states, they are the Trump team is going to declare victory with J.D. Vance at his side.

00:17:40.140 Focus on what's at stake here, that literally this election is about the Constitution and we're not going to have one if we lose it.

00:17:47.420 He, time and again, tried to push the limits in a truly fascist manner.

00:17:52.960 He is lying.

00:17:54.040 He is lying about migrants. 1.00

00:17:55.940 He's lying about crime.

00:17:57.380 His rhetoric is only getting darker and more dangerous.

00:17:59.480 His rhetoric is getting darker, more dangerous.

00:18:06.020 Yeah, it's unbelievable that these people have such little self-awareness that they will go on TV and say these types of things.

00:18:12.340 I mean, I know one MSNBC analyst, Elie Mistel, has argued that we should tear up the Constitution altogether.

00:18:20.840 So when I see that network. 0.99

00:18:22.900 He's a crazy lunatic. 1.00

00:18:24.780 Yes, very, very much so. 1.00

00:18:27.160 I'm not even a lawyer and I can tell that from the things that he says.

00:18:29.840 But I mean, these are people who feign concern for the Constitution one day and then say America, which is corrupt at its core, needs to be remade in a more progressive image the next day.

00:18:42.440 So it really is strange to hear them speak this way, because, as I said, some of these folks are the types of people who think that the American flag itself is a symbol of hate.

00:18:54.720 And they code the American flag as something conservative.

00:18:58.080 So but all of a sudden they seem to muster patriotism when it comes to defeating the former president.

00:19:04.140 So I just assume that we're going to get more and more of this up until we get to November 5th.

00:19:10.140 And we'll see whether they'll it'll subside depending on which way the election goes. 0.87

00:19:16.240 Right.

00:19:17.140 You'll see.

00:19:18.180 So Glenn Youngkin of Virginia went on CNN yesterday and Jake Tapper was raising some of these same Trump quotes, trying to get Youngkin to disavow or comment on, etc.

00:19:30.440 Look what happened.

00:19:32.720 But I'm literally reading his quotes.

00:19:34.680 I'm literally reading his quotes to you.

00:19:37.120 And I played them earlier so you could hear that they were not made up by me. 0.86

00:19:41.200 He's literally talking about, quote, radical left lunatics. 0.91

00:19:43.880 And then one of those lunatics he addressed, he mentioned, was Congressman Adams. 0.72

00:19:47.900 I'm talking about Donald Trump saying that he wants to use the National Guard in the military to go after the left. 0.86

00:19:53.800 That's what he's saying.

00:19:54.740 I don't I don't believe that's what he's saying.

00:19:56.920 But listen, you and I are going to argue about that.

00:19:58.620 But I would I would suggest if you would also play the quote and I read it to you, if you would also wish that he weren't saying that.

00:20:04.940 But that's what he's saying, Jake, all the time people people are taking little snippets of contact and turning it into a big a big narrative.

00:20:13.580 I think exactly what he's concerned about, because I've heard him express it before, are the number of national security risks, violent criminals and folks who are coming into this country where we don't know where they are,

00:20:25.180 that are committing crimes and put people's safety at risk.

00:20:30.760 Interesting. So Youngkin is seizing on the other half of Maria's question there, Josh.

00:20:36.040 But, you know, Jake does a sleight of hand there in the way he's right.

00:20:40.300 It's like you've forgotten that this was all raised in the context of Biden's predicting chaos on Election Day.

00:20:46.260 OK, Maria adds in the fact that we've got these illegals who have done God knows what in this country. 0.97

00:20:51.620 And what do you think is going to happen? How would you control it to Trump?

00:20:54.400 And Trump says, I think we're more a threat from the enemies within who are planning on unleashing chaos.

00:21:00.360 And if I need to maintain order, then I will use the National Guard or what I need to use.

00:21:05.160 It's not literally you saw how Kamala Harris spun it.

00:21:08.080 I will say this, Youngkin, I like him. I would vote for him in a New York minute, but he's no J.D. Vance.

00:21:15.760 J.D. Vance has been absolutely killing it, no doubt about that whatsoever on the campaign trail and his interviews.

00:21:21.600 Obviously, he clobbered Tim Walls in that VP debate.

00:21:25.080 But, you know, just one comment there on Glenn Youngkin.

00:21:27.520 So he's totally right to reframe this in the national security counter jihadist, counter terrorist context.

00:21:34.320 You know, I'm not sure that I'm ready to move on, Megan.

00:21:37.480 I mean, we just had the one year commemoration of October 7th last week.

00:21:40.780 I'm not sure that I am ready to move on from what we have seen, for instance, on our campuses marching down Broadway in New York City, Michigan Avenue in Chicago over the past year.

00:21:50.760 We have seen the unfurling of of U.S. recognized foreign terrorist organization flags, the Hezbollah flag on Princeton University's campus.

00:21:58.380 Glory to our martyrs projected on the side of a building in George Washington University.

00:22:02.480 I mean, are there not enemies?

00:22:04.440 Are there not enemies within right here on U.S. soil that have gotten here in part due to the horrific open border policies of this administration?

00:22:12.680 There were eight Tajiki nationals arrested a few months ago with clear ISIS connections.

00:22:16.480 They recently arrested a Pakistani national who was threatening to blow up a Chabad site in New York City.

00:22:21.520 Yes. Yeah. There were eight Tajiki nationals.

00:22:25.720 I don't even know what that is. What's a Tajiki?

00:22:28.780 It's someone from Tajikistan.

00:22:31.200 Never, never.

00:22:31.880 Fair enough. But the point is, there are a lot of people here from all of these various countries, many of which end in Stan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, whatever.

00:22:43.120 That are here with clear and unambiguous foreign terror connections.

00:22:48.580 And if that is not a domestic enemy within, if the people in Dearborn, Michigan, who are clamoring on the streets, waving the Hezbollah flag and calling Hassan Nasrallah a martyr, which they were literally doing in a clip I saw two days ago in Dearborn, Michigan.

00:23:01.440 There was a leading imam. I think the mayor actually might have been there.

00:23:04.020 They were all praising the great martyr in Hassan Nasrallah.

00:23:07.400 How else to describe this other than an enemy within?

00:23:10.160 If it gets out of hand, how is the National Guard not appropriate to quash these enemies within if it actually comes to that?

00:23:18.180 So I'm just not buying this faux moral high ground by people like Jake Tapper, who really ought to know better.

00:23:23.700 Yeah. All right. So in the meantime, Delano, we've got panic on the Dem front when it comes to men.

00:23:30.380 Men writ large and young black and Hispanic men in particular, black and Hispanic men, but in particular, young black and Hispanic men, because the numbers are not good for her with them. 0.85

00:23:42.100 They're historic at historic lows right now.

00:23:45.020 And so she's rolled out a plan that's going to, she thinks, appeal to young black voters and young Hispanic voters like she wants to legalize weed. 0.54

00:23:54.100 Which, um, Sagar on Jetty was online today saying, just walk me through again how that's not racist.

00:24:01.140 I like, I know I'm going to get the young black guys. 0.97

00:24:03.720 I'm going to start legalizing drugs and then I'll get them all. 0.97

00:24:07.000 I mean, if Trump did that, can you imagine?

00:24:09.740 And something about Bitcoin and, um, she's going to make it easier for them to get loans and so on.

00:24:15.680 Um, there are real questions about any, whether any of this is constitutional, her specific plans to get loans for black people that wouldn't presumably be given to white people.

00:24:24.500 Um, but what do you make of her, her reach out now?

00:24:27.540 Because she's, you know, trying to buy votes. 1.00

00:24:29.440 I think it's another sign of desperation.

00:24:33.520 Um, you know, I've been off of Twitter X for, you know, the last week.

00:24:37.780 I told myself I was going to take the month of October off so I can concentrate on things I need to do.

00:24:41.820 But, but I, I snuck back on yesterday and I did a quick search of the words black men on her Twitter timeline or X timeline.

00:24:51.400 And it went from yesterday, a post yesterday, two posts yesterday, back to 2020.

00:24:56.820 So it's clear that the only times that she's interested in messaging to black men are when it's time for an election.

00:25:03.340 And this is not, this is not even specific to Kamala Harris.

00:25:06.840 The, the, the democratic party is a party of matriarchy and post second wave feminism. 1.00

00:25:12.600 They, they are not a party that knows how to speak to men largely because it is a party that resents men. 0.73

00:25:19.840 And there are no men, obviously they, they have issues with, with, you know, straight white men, 0.89

00:25:25.480 unless they're trying to elect a president like Joe Biden, but they have a particular antipathy towards black men who don't, uh, carry the flag in the same way that black women do.

00:25:36.900 Um, and, and so what you see Kamala Harris trying to do is address the problem that's clear that she has with, with black men and going, doing black media. 1.00

00:25:45.020 And, um, you know, she had, uh, president Barack Obama out in Pittsburgh last week, uh, hectoring and lecturing black men at her campaign, at her campaign site.

00:25:54.120 Right. So this is a problem that the party has. This is a structural problem.

00:25:58.580 This is not a problem about one specific candidate, a party that upholds the matriarchy and thinks that masculinity is toxic is going to have a problem speaking to men. 1.00

00:26:09.800 And what I see particularly from her and her surrogates, um, is that they are deaf to the needs of black men. 0.76

00:26:16.360 And this is why they speak in sign language, shame, insults, guilt, and nagging. Um, and that is their primary method of communication when it comes to this specific demographic group. 0.78

00:26:28.420 You know, I, I have to say, I really don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear their lectures on how they're not toxically masculine over on the Dem side.

00:26:35.420 When they've got a vice presidential candidate who wants to let boys into every single girl's sport locker room and private space. 1.00

00:26:43.260 And they've got a husband to the next possible female president, first possible female president, uh, who has allegedly hit a woman across the face so hard that she spun around, not to mention knocked up the nanny while he was married to wife.

00:26:55.680 Number one, I I've had it. I don't, I don't want to be lectured by these people or the media that refuses to ask Doug Emhoff.

00:27:04.640 When he's right in front of them about these allegations, this is not like some random, Oh, somebody sent out a mean tweet about Doug Emhoff that we have no idea where there's this is a in-depth report of the daily mail with three independent witnesses.

00:27:17.020 One of whom a professional male who said he was on the phone with her right after she got smacked.

00:27:22.100 She's a professional successful lawyer. These are ear witnesses right after the fact, two out of the three, one came a year later and to not even ask him.

00:27:31.420 There was yet another loser who had Doug Emhoff right across from her. First, we had Tim Miller of the dispatch. Then we had Scarborough and now we have Molly Jung fast. Screw her. 1.00

00:27:41.660 She purports to be for women. She and her party. She's got him right across from her. She doesn't ask him. They don't care about women. What they care about is abortion and scaring you into voting for them with abortion. 1.00

00:27:58.180 OK, sorry. That's my aside. But Tim Walls, too, is out there, Josh, trying to tell people that he this problem with men, black men, all men, it just doesn't exist.

00:28:11.040 Like, don't believe your lying eyes. He's not believing his. Take a listen to his messaging on it and saw 28. 0.97

00:28:16.940 And I'm talking here on this one, especially to the guys. You keep hearing about this gap on there.

00:28:22.360 I refuse to admit that that's real because I know that we care deeply. I know these issues matter to you.

00:28:27.440 I know they matter to all of us. We need to get especially young men out there to vote.

00:28:32.180 This is not damn WWE type stuff. It's not about it's not about, well, it's cool when he talks like this or whatever.

00:28:38.980 It's not cool. It hurts people and it leads to violence and it undermines our system.

00:28:43.260 That is not cool. And again, they're all talk talk on this. I guarantee you I can shoot better pheasants than them.

00:28:48.300 I guarantee you. I guarantee you. Really, Josh?

00:28:54.740 Yeah, I'm not sure if Tim Walls can can hunt a better pheasant.

00:28:58.300 The video, at least that I saw, showed that he couldn't even properly load a 12 gauge shotgun cartridge in.

00:29:03.620 So I'm not entirely sure that he knows what he's talking about when it comes.

00:29:05.780 Yeah, right. So I'm not entirely sure that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to pheasant hunting.

00:29:11.560 Megan, just real quick before Tim Walls on your excellent point about how they do not care about women.

00:29:15.800 I have a very simple point as well to make here.

00:29:17.940 What about Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton is still tossed out as a national figure.

00:29:21.780 He spoke of the DNC.

00:29:23.160 I mean, are we just forgetting about what happened 30 years ago when it comes to Paula Jones,

00:29:27.180 Juanita Broderick and obviously Monica Lewinsky and all that? 1.00

00:29:29.840 I guess so. I mean, back then, Hillary Clinton dismissed all of those women in fairly graphic terms. 1.00

00:29:36.260 I don't remember the exact verbiage she used, whether she said that they were low grade whores or sluts or tramps or something. 1.00

00:29:41.700 I don't want to get the exact quote wrong. 0.99

00:29:43.300 I think it was Carville said bimbo eruption, which.

00:29:46.220 Exactly. That's exactly what it was. That's exactly what it was from Jimmy Carville.

00:29:50.040 So, yeah. So, look, I don't want to hear from these people.

00:29:52.660 They are they are total hypocrites. 0.99

00:29:54.040 And it is all about the abortion issue, as you just said. 0.98

00:29:56.980 Look, when it comes to Tim Walls and the male gap, you know, the media, first of all, never actually talks about this.

00:30:01.880 They always talk about how Republicans are doing so poorly with women.

00:30:04.680 And yes, Donald Trump right now is down somewhere between 10 and 15 points when it comes to women. 0.99

00:30:08.860 But but they never actually talk about the fact that the Democratic Party has a just as big, if not greater problem when it comes to men.

00:30:16.760 And it comes back to exactly what Delano was saying just a few minutes ago, which is that men these days are told not to actually be men.

00:30:24.600 When I go to camp to campuses and I speak to young college kids, law school students, I hear this over and over and over again.

00:30:30.900 And, you know, look, I'm not I'm not a father yet.

00:30:33.480 God willing, we'll be very soon.

00:30:34.820 And I'm kind of in an odd place to give advice because I haven't actually raised a child myself.

00:30:39.940 But I think I have a decent idea what it means to be a protector of the home and to defend manly traditional values there.

00:30:46.920 And there are these people just have no places to look.

00:30:49.340 And they have so few places to look these days, Megan, when it comes to what it actually takes to be a man, that they're settling for for, you know, clean your room, basically clean your bed, make your bed.

00:30:58.720 The Jordan Peterson advice, because there is such a dearth, there is such a scarcity, a paucity of people who are actually trying to instill into the next generation what it actually takes to be a man.

00:31:08.160 It's certainly not clean from the Democratic side of the aisle.

00:31:10.460 That is for sure.

00:31:12.120 Yeah. And then you like Jordan Peterson for the very reasons you're stating.

00:31:16.040 And you wind up getting called an incel by these Hollywood liberals who have no idea what the attraction is or why these young men feel lost to begin with.

00:31:24.220 I'll tell you this.

00:31:25.060 I have three kids.

00:31:25.940 I have a husband and my husband is very supportive.

00:31:29.060 You know, he's he should be the Doug they love because he actually is a very supportive husband of a working woman and an amazing dad with his own career.

00:31:37.820 You can you can do it all.

00:31:38.900 You don't have to be like Doug Emhoff and give up your job to support your wife.

00:31:42.620 But I'll tell you what, there's nothing quite like somebody does something to me. 1.00

00:31:47.220 It can be some jerk on the street. 0.99

00:31:49.180 It can be some whatever. 0.97

00:31:50.540 It's usually if like a man gets crossways of me in a way that Doug doesn't like, you can see his shoulders go back.

00:31:57.780 He zeroes in.

00:31:58.660 He wants to know exactly who it was, when it was and where the person is.

00:32:02.400 And I'm not saying he's going to go throw a punch, but he will confront.

00:32:05.700 He is not afraid to go confront somebody on my behalf, which is, you know, a little like, OK, I've got it.

00:32:10.560 But also like, oh, you're hot.

00:32:11.960 You know, I mean, that's something we still want in our men.

00:32:15.720 Delano, we do not want the Doug Emhoffs of the world who project super sweet and supportive.

00:32:22.080 But behind the scenes are going to introduce you to Mr. Backhand if you put your hand on the shoulder of the valet.

00:32:29.240 Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:30.940 And I think, again, this party is one, you know, the trans issue is one that's obviously become big over the last 10 years.

00:32:38.100 But just at a more fundamental level, the party does not know how to handle the biological differences between men and women, right?

00:32:45.880 Because and biological, cultural, social.

00:32:49.240 I'm thinking back to the vice presidential debate a few weeks ago where the notion that J.D. Vance would push back on the moderators was spun as misogyny.

00:32:58.500 So on one hand, Democrats will say we need women and female representation in all areas of society and we want to be treated exactly like the men until they are treated exactly like the men.

00:33:10.080 And then it's like, no, we need protectionism from, you know, the way that men typically speak to one another.

00:33:16.720 So this is this is part of the issue.

00:33:19.380 And as I said, this even goes on to policy because these are people who will look at certain industries.

00:33:25.280 They'll say, oh, the construction management industry is 95 percent men.

00:33:29.380 So we think we should have more women in there. 1.00

00:33:31.820 So if you are a woman whose husband provides for your family because he works in construction. 0.91

00:33:38.180 Now you're having to ask yourself, OK, do I do I take one for the sisterhood?

00:33:42.140 Right. Would I prefer my husband to be fired so that, you know, someone who hasn't worked 20 plus years in this industry is installed?

00:33:49.880 Or do I vote for my household interests?

00:33:52.660 And this is why I think the issue of family is at the core of our politics, because when husband and wife, regardless of race, are together as one in terms of a household, then they are going to advocate for the things that benefit them as a family.

00:34:05.720 When men and women are separated, then each advances their own interests as a mercenary.

00:34:11.600 And it doesn't really matter, you know, what's best for the family.

00:34:14.780 And I think Democrats understand that and they exploit that division even within the household.

00:34:19.640 Hmm. All right. So I want to talk about some of the problems with the black voters and the young voters. 1.00

00:34:25.780 How CNN's Harry Enten has been laying this out with his charts, which are helpful.

00:34:31.060 And here's we'll start with thought 23.

00:34:35.520 Margin among black men under the age of 45 in presidential elections.

00:34:39.820 You go back to November of 2012.

00:34:42.300 What do you see? You see Obama by 81.

00:34:44.600 Clinton only won him by 63.

00:34:47.480 Then we're all the way down to Biden last time around by 53.

00:34:51.380 A tremendous drop already.

00:34:53.300 And then you take a look at the average of the most recent polls and Kamala Harris is up by only 41 points.

00:34:59.240 That is about half the margin that Obama won them by back in November of 2012.

00:35:03.640 This is part of a longstanding trend of young black men moving away from the Democratic Party.

00:35:09.120 Once again, younger black men, it looks like the worst Democratic performance since 1960s, since JFK versus Richard Nixon. 0.99

00:35:16.280 It's the same thing among black men overall.

00:35:19.240 It's really amazing how much she's hemorrhaging with this particular group and young voters, too.

00:35:24.960 Back to Harry, Sat 24.

00:35:26.880 Joe Biden won voters under the age of 35 by 21 points.

00:35:35.160 What do we see with Kamala Harris? 1.00

00:35:36.720 Well, she's still ahead, but the margin here is significantly less than what we saw with Joe Biden back in 2020.

00:35:43.500 But let's also talk about motivation, right?

00:35:45.760 Because it's not just who you would support.

00:35:47.560 It's whether or not you'd come out to the polls.

00:35:49.400 And this, I think, is rather interesting.

00:35:50.920 Do Democrats say they're more motivated to turn out after Biden left the race?

00:35:54.520 Well, we do see a significant portion of Democrats who say, yes, 39 percent.

00:35:58.700 The thing I was interested in was it disproportionately younger voters who said that they were more likely to turn out or more motivated to turn out.

00:36:05.920 And what we see here is it's 42 percent, not a big difference between 42 and 39 percent.

00:36:11.360 So this idea, again, that the vice president has unique potential to dig in and get young voters to turn out.

00:36:17.420 John, it's just not there in the numbers, despite all the Internet memes that are going around.

00:36:22.420 So I want to look at party identification again.

00:36:25.140 Voters under the age of 35.

00:36:27.020 Go back to 2020.

00:36:28.020 Fifty six percent of young voters said that, in fact, they were Democrats.

00:36:32.100 They identified as Democrat or lean Democratic.

00:36:34.380 You look down at 2024, it's 49 percent.

00:36:36.960 Look at the Republican jump from 39 to 49 percent.

00:36:40.320 And that explains why she's desperate to go on Joe Rogan and she did the sex podcast, et cetera. 1.00

00:36:49.560 She's not going to get any men at the sex podcast, but she wants young people. 0.98

00:36:52.240 Go ahead, Josh.

00:36:54.320 Megan, I think what you're seeing in real time is the collapse of the modern post 2008, post Barack Obama Democratic Party coalition.

00:37:01.860 In fact, Harry Anthony, who I've known since I was 19 years old, I actually had him on my show just last week.

00:37:07.120 Yeah, I go way back with Harry.

00:37:08.420 And I actually asked about this exact question about this collapse of the Obama coalition.

00:37:12.280 Harry basically agreed with my take, which is that you're seeing in real time this.

00:37:17.040 You know, Obama was a very unique political phenomenon where he brought together a lot of Hispanics and young voters and black voters and white Ph.D.

00:37:24.460 liberals in the Upper West Side of Manhattan, San Francisco, all of that there.

00:37:27.280 And over the past five to eight years, really starting back as far at least as 2016 and 2018, but really accelerating over the past few years, you're starting to see this whole coalition collapse, this whole woke, this coalition of aggrieved interests, as I'd like to call it there.

00:37:42.620 And young black men, Hispanic voters and young voters are really the three key demographics that are the tip of that spear.

00:37:47.680 Because, you know, you know, these three demographics and we're really generalizing here when we talk about these broad demographic groups, let alone trying to aggregate them.

00:37:54.380 But overall, if you can try to paint a picture as to what young voters, Hispanic voters and young black men, what above all do they want?

00:38:01.440 They want economic stability and basic stability when it comes to the bread and butter issues, economy, inflation, immigration, crime, just basic quality of life issues.

00:38:11.500 And the media's hysterical rhetoric notwithstanding, people have an old enough memory to go back to the four years that Donald Trump was president.

00:38:19.280 Donald Trump is not a blank slate anymore.

00:38:21.360 This is not 2016.

00:38:23.160 It was not a total guessing game as to whether he would nominate his pro-abortion sister to the U.S. Supreme Court, as many people thought back then because he floated as a possibility.

00:38:31.160 We have a track record.

00:38:32.660 And that track record was a phenomenal track record when it came to the economy up until COVID, which any president obviously would have had a tough time handling.

00:38:39.800 It was the lowest black unemployment rate going back to 1960 since Gallup and Pew started having data on this.

00:38:45.980 We had transformative peace in the Middle East.

00:38:48.100 The border was relatively secure.

00:38:49.420 I could go on there.

00:38:50.260 But there was a clear track record.

00:38:51.940 And young people, Hispanics, black men, I think at this point remember that track record.

00:38:55.620 And that is what is getting these numbers that you're seeing.

00:38:58.040 Plus the whole thing we were just discussing of like just how effeminate the Democrat Party has become.

00:39:03.460 I just don't I think this is why all men, not not black, not Hispanic, not white, but just most of all men are finding this a turnoff.

00:39:12.840 Like I don't want to identify with that brand.

00:39:15.020 It's the same way how none of us wants to order a Bud Light anymore. 1.00

00:39:18.380 The brand has been damaged by far too many stupid moves. 0.99

00:39:23.300 And like the Republicans seem like manly men and the Democrats seem effete, whether that's a branding issue or a policy issue. 0.99

00:39:32.260 I don't know, but I see it.

00:39:33.600 I can see with my eyes what's happening.

00:39:35.900 However, she really wants to drive those numbers up with young black men, Delano. 0.97

00:39:39.820 And the opportunity agenda, one of her favorite words, includes the following.

00:39:44.280 I now have my notes in front of me.

00:39:45.220 One, provide one million dollars in loans that would forgive up to twenty thousand dollars, like a million dollar pool that would forgive up to twenty thousand dollars for black entrepreneurs and people of other races to start a business to expand access to affordable banking options that will allow black men and others to tap into more capital.

00:40:03.100 Three, new investments to help more black men become teachers for health initiative focused on the diseases that disproportionately affect black people like sickle cell, diabetes and prostate cancer.

00:40:12.980 By expanding preventative screening programs, programs and five, legalized marijuana nationally and to ensure that black men who were once disproportionately jailed for using and distributing marijuana can benefit from its business potential.

00:40:26.540 So three weeks out.

00:40:30.360 Is this what she should be talking about?

00:40:32.920 And will it move the needle?

00:40:36.540 I doubt it'll move the needle.

00:40:39.340 I'm not surprised by that agenda.

00:40:41.380 I think part of what what candidates do and I see I saw Stacey Abrams do this in the Georgia gubernatorial election a few years ago. 1.00

00:40:48.740 She took her policy platform that was on the main part of her website and just moved it over to outreach to black men, that part of the website, and then just put black men over it. 0.97

00:40:59.100 Right.

00:40:59.340 So because I don't think obviously legally speaking that the government can only direct loans to one particular ethnic group.

00:41:06.360 So some of this probably won't pass constitutional muster, but I get why she's trying to package it this way.

00:41:14.480 The marijuana legalization piece always puzzles me.

00:41:17.860 I've seen something, you know, similar.

00:41:20.640 The governor of Maryland has been pushing on this hard.

00:41:23.560 And I guess the idea is, well, we want black people and black men in particular to be able to participate in the growing, you know, marijuana industry.

00:41:33.380 One, I don't think more drugs are good for any community.

00:41:36.800 But two, I ask myself, if you promote this as a social good, how are the men who either are engaged in the marijuana business or partake, are they going to be able to drive a school bus, operate, you know, a crane?

00:41:53.660 Right.

00:41:53.880 Are they going to be able to be part of your security detail?

00:41:56.400 Because if not, why are you promoting things that would make it much more difficult for some of these men to actually get jobs where they can, you know, have a wife and kids and, you know, build a family and support a community?

00:42:08.300 So I'm not particularly surprised by this.

00:42:11.580 Democrats are desperate.

00:42:12.960 They don't know how to talk to men in general. 0.99

00:42:15.560 And as I said, they have particular problems with talking to black men.

00:42:19.320 And I'll say this, Megan, in terms of the black male support, I think there's a big difference between sort of the private and quiet support where guys may say in their group chat, yeah, I'm voting for Trump and loud and public support.

00:42:32.560 And one of the issues that doesn't come up often is that is the fact that being branded as a black Republican or black conservative or even worse to from the less perspective, a black Trump supporter comes with a significant social cost and penalty if you are black and very few people want to pay that cost.

00:42:53.500 Now, if things go in a particular way in this election, I believe President Trump will get at least 25 percent of the black male vote.

00:43:02.580 Wow.

00:43:03.140 If that puts him over the top, particularly black male vote specifically, if that puts him over the top in key swing states, right, if he wins Michigan and Georgia and Pennsylvania because of that, the fury that will be unleashed on black men, right? 0.96

00:43:21.620 We can all remember back 2017, 53 percent of white women voted for Donald Trump like that.

00:43:26.820 That genre of op-ed is going to be at 10x level against black men if they are the ones who put him over the top in some of these key swing states. 0.57

00:43:37.560 So I hope the guys who are considering either not voting for Kamala Harris or voting for Donald Trump are ready for the pushback that will come because it will get ugly.

00:43:47.920 My money's on them.

00:43:50.360 You know, if those white women can handle it, the black men can handle it. 1.00

00:43:53.140 Be strong.

00:43:53.860 I mean, wear it with a badge of honor.

00:43:55.520 And by the way, Josh, for her to be touting, oh, I'm going to legalize pot, you know, to help the black man. 0.98

00:44:00.840 I'm going to give him a bunch of loans and then I want him applying for them while he's high.

00:44:04.460 This is the person who, as Tulsi Gabbard pointed out in that infamous 2019 primary debate, put 1,900 people in jail or prosecuted 1,900 people for pot use.

00:44:17.140 Like that's now she's like, yeah, let's toke up.

00:44:20.860 You know, does anybody have a roach clip?

00:44:22.400 But I mean, just a couple of years ago, once again, she's like putting people in jail for doing this.

00:44:27.200 But she's counting on nobody to remember that.

00:44:29.460 Yeah, there are so many things that the modern Democratic Party does, Megan, that I wonder, how is that not, in fact, racist?

00:44:37.320 I mean, when you were pandering to black voters by saying that I'm going to legalize marijuana so you can get high 24-7, how is that not ipso facto racist? 1.00

00:44:46.080 When you were decrying voter ID laws as racist to put in a requirement simply to bring an ID to the voting booth to prove that you are who you claim you are.

00:44:55.100 I mean, I'm going to run in a special program that's going to make Valium a lot less expensive for you.

00:45:00.320 Xanax and Valium are going to be offered to all of you moms at a much lower – like, what the hell? 0.94

00:45:05.560 We'd be rebelling.

00:45:06.660 Like, what are you implying?

00:45:08.180 Go ahead.

00:45:08.700 Finish your point.

00:45:09.720 Totally.

00:45:10.300 And, you know, just one other example that comes immediately to mind.

00:45:12.680 So Kristen Clark, who is the very far-left woke assistant attorney general for civil rights right now, she's been an absolute menace over the past few years. 1.00

00:45:19.140 Her division of the DOJ has recently filed two so-called disparate impact lawsuits, one against the Maryland State Police and the second against the South Bend, Indiana Local Police, alleging disparate impact against blacks and women voters.

00:45:33.220 It's allegedly disparate impact against – sorry, against women who want to become police officers in those two jurisdictions. 0.93

00:45:40.100 It's allegedly disparate impact against them because of the physical test requirements.

00:45:44.360 So I'm thinking here about, you know, physically having to train to prove that you can take down a bad guy.

00:45:49.360 But perhaps even worse than that, perhaps even worse, Kristen Clark is claiming that there's a disparate impact against blacks who apply to be police officers in these two jurisdictions because there is a written test for proficiency.

00:46:00.740 They are literally saying that it is racist to have a 25, 50, 100-question, whatever, multiple-choice test about how to actually be a cop.

00:46:08.400 Well, by saying that that is racist, you're actually revealing yourself as the racist.

00:46:13.480 I mean, you know, George W. Bush famously called this a soft bigotry of low expectations.

00:46:17.120 Clarence Thomas has used much more colorful verbiage in his various affirmative action opinions over the years here. 0.91

00:46:21.860 It is so infantilizing and belittling and, frankly, disgusting. 0.95

00:46:25.940 And the fact that some of these people like Kristen Clark happen to be black herself does not make it any better, I would say. 0.98

00:46:31.260 No, it absolutely doesn't.

00:46:32.820 But it is – I mean, to me, it's kind of interesting just to watch her struggling, right?

00:46:36.140 Like, she recognizes she can't get this group of voters to come over her way, and the prescriptions are being thrown at her from all sorts of people, I'm sure.

00:46:45.620 And I just think it's too late.

00:46:47.460 I really think – you know, the folks who are on Two Way, like Mark Halperin and Sean Spicer, our friend Dan, they were making this point the other day that,

00:46:55.100 A, this is very late in the game to be unleashing new messaging, you know, to target one specific group.

00:47:00.540 And the more you zero in on one group, like, I'm going to help – I have all these special ditties for black men.

00:47:07.320 The more you turn off other groups who are like, wait a minute, only the black men get the help starting the businesses? 1.00

00:47:14.620 Only the black men get the Bitcoin help, whatever that one was? 0.96

00:47:18.200 Like, only the black men get certain of their health ailments studied? 0.93

00:47:22.580 You know, what about, like, autism, which affects everybody?

00:47:25.840 You know what?

00:47:26.500 It's just – it has a polarizing effect.

00:47:28.660 And so it's a risk.

00:47:30.220 But all she can afford to do right now is risky moves like going on Fox, Delano, because she's definitely hemorrhaging. 1.00

00:47:36.760 There is nothing that explains her campaign decisions other than that.

00:47:42.420 Yeah, and Megan, the point you just made, I think, goes directly back to Josh's point about the collapse of the left's identitarian sort of coalition.

00:47:54.560 And, I mean, I have four young kids, you know, between the ages of eight and four.

00:47:58.960 And one of the things that I know for a fact is that if I offer something to one of the children – if I only give dessert to one of the children, the other three are going to get very upset about that.

00:48:09.000 And what the left has not learned is that, you know, when you treat all of your voters poorly, they will hate you.

00:48:15.100 But when you treat some better than others, they will hate each other.

00:48:18.400 And I think that's one of the reasons that this – that their coalition is in the midst of collapsing right now.

00:48:24.460 Mm-hmm. It's very interesting. Okay. You guys, we have a lot to get to, including another CBS switcheroo on a soundbite that they didn't like because it criticized the Democrats' side.

00:48:36.120 We've got to get to Kamala Harris's word salad, and then there's the matter of Bill Clinton and whether he's intentionally tanking this race.

00:48:42.700 It's an interesting theory.

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00:49:50.120 On the subject of the outreach to black voters and trying to rally black voters to vote, Kamala, she went on with Roland Martin this week, and he asked her a question about Trump, quote, trashing black cities.

00:50:09.960 He was in Detroit earlier in the week and said, look, if I don't win, America is going to look like Detroit, you know, and he was obviously be like Detroit.

00:50:19.060 It was a comment about Detroit and its economic struggles.

00:50:22.100 We talked about it on this show, but that's Roland Martin's version of he's trashing black cities, right? 0.88

00:50:27.680 It's a black thing.

00:50:28.520 And this particular soundbite is not being shown to you for the racial angle.

00:50:34.840 It's being shown to you for her inanity, which is now a word we use every day on the show because it's apt.

00:50:41.540 Listen to how she answered this.

00:50:43.620 I can feel when he trashes black cities, the comments that he just made about Detroit basically being a living hell. 0.91

00:50:50.380 He's singling out cities where there are significant African-Americans, and that's who he's talking about, black people. 0.92

00:50:58.340 Yes.

00:50:59.900 Yes.

00:51:02.440 You know, there's this whole, I talked with somebody once who said, you know, if you just look at where the stars are in the sky, don't look at them as just random things.

00:51:14.160 If you just look at them as points, look at the constellation, what does it show you?

00:51:18.220 So you just outlined it, Roland.

00:51:20.860 What does it show you?

00:51:25.000 I'm lost.

00:51:27.500 I'm lost again.

00:51:29.500 You guys, I can't.

00:51:32.020 How are we going to deal with four to eight years of that?

00:51:34.420 I mean, I have no idea.

00:51:36.160 I mean, like, what are we just here?

00:51:37.840 I mean, like, I genuinely do not know what point she was trying to make there.

00:51:42.220 I mean, I could maybe guess, but like, I genuinely just like actually don't know.

00:51:48.220 I mean, just real quick on the substantive point.

00:51:51.640 Look, I went to law school in Chicago.

00:51:53.120 I lived there for three years.

00:51:54.080 When I was there, Chicago was already known for high crime.

00:51:56.760 It's actually degraded considerably just over the past three to four years or so.

00:52:00.300 In fact, when I took my then girlfriend, now wife, to Chicago with me for the very first time about two and a half years ago, her purse was actually stolen in broad daylight in Streeterville, a very wealthy, nice part of Chicago.

00:52:11.300 Yeah, great part of Chicago.

00:52:13.640 So you know it very well.

00:52:14.760 I mean, this happened in broad daylight in Streeterville, not the kind of thing that would have happened in the South Side or anything like that.

00:52:20.140 So, I mean, if I were to if I were to condemn the crime in Chicago, does that make me a racist? 1.00

00:52:24.220 It's just so stupid. 1.00

00:52:25.440 I mean, like reasonable Americans who have more than one brain cell operating between the ears, who have anything remotely resembling common sense. 1.00

00:52:31.540 They're just not buying this and they're doubly not buying it when she talks about the constellations in the sky to make some point that I still don't know what she was trying to do.

00:52:40.280 No, nor do I.

00:52:41.860 We've got to talk about Bill Clinton because Bill Clinton goes out there.

00:52:45.280 He's stumping for her.

00:52:46.260 They're feeling the panic.

00:52:47.200 Obama's been out there. 0.97

00:52:48.080 As you mentioned, Delano, he's shaming black men, saying you're misogynistic if you're black man and you're not voting for her because it's all about her being a woman.

00:52:56.220 And it can't just be her policies. 0.91

00:52:57.680 It has to be something having to do with her gender.

00:52:59.700 And they unleashed Bill Clinton, notwithstanding the history with him and the women. 0.60

00:53:05.820 But he goes out there and I have to say he does not look good.

00:53:09.280 I mean, just like a little bit of foundation.

00:53:13.840 I know he's a man.

00:53:14.920 I'm just saying like a little bit of cover up.

00:53:17.220 It's OK, guys.

00:53:18.220 If you have a serious complexion problem or like serious acne, you can get away with it.

00:53:23.620 Now, don't go full foundation on your face.

00:53:25.500 That's a little but a little cover up is fine.

00:53:28.200 You've got permission from Megyn Kelly.

00:53:29.800 You can tell anybody because you're a hard time.

00:53:31.520 Bill Clinton, it's an aside.

00:53:32.980 He goes out there.

00:53:34.000 And while looking like a little off, he's trying, allegedly, to make the case for Kamala on the subject of illegal immigration.

00:53:45.080 And he winds up inadvertently, question mark, making the case for Trump on the subject of Lakin Riley, who was, of course, killed by an illegal who came in this country in 2022 under the Biden-Harris administration.

00:54:01.800 And he killed Lakin Riley in Georgia just earlier this year.

00:54:07.780 Listen.

00:54:09.120 Trump killed the bill.

00:54:11.660 The bill was written, being written by senior Republicans in the Senate.

00:54:18.280 And he killed the bill.

00:54:20.780 Why?

00:54:21.380 You had a case in Georgia not very long ago, didn't you?

00:54:25.540 They made an ad about a young woman who'd been killed by an immigrant.

00:54:31.220 Yeah, well, if they'd all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't have happened.

00:54:34.620 Exactly.

00:54:38.340 Delano, no one can believe he said that.

00:54:41.100 He must have been confused and not realized that the guy came in under Kamala, not under Trump.

00:54:49.260 And Jason Miller, a top Trump operative, tweeted that out.

00:54:53.620 It was tongue in cheek, saying he knows exactly what he's doing.

00:54:57.360 She's running with a picture of Hillary.

00:55:02.480 What do you make of it?

00:55:03.500 Yeah.

00:55:03.660 Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure.

00:55:07.020 It might be easy to chalk it up to age and to say, you know, Bill Clinton has sort of lost track of what it is that he was saying.

00:55:14.120 But I think the substantive point holds, right?

00:55:16.040 Everyone can see that the left's immigration policy has been a complete disaster.

00:55:21.920 And it's not just for people who live in border towns.

00:55:24.120 I mean, I grew up in New York and I have family immigrated to the United States.

00:55:29.180 And even in Brooklyn, where you have a significant portion of people who were born in a different country, there are people saying, no, we need to get this immigration issue under control.

00:55:40.820 Because it's one thing to have legal immigration.

00:55:43.080 I know there are debates on the right as to what those levels should be, right?

00:55:48.380 You know, who should be coming and for how long and, you know, how many people should be coming.

00:55:54.620 But everyone can agree that unfettered legal immigration is a national security risk as well as just, you know, it undermines law and order. 0.95

00:56:05.140 So I'm not surprised Bill Clinton says that because every once in a while politicians make a mistake and actually tell the truth.

00:56:12.680 I'm just wondering how that plays in Harris-Wall's campaign headquarters.

00:56:18.180 Oh, my God.

00:56:18.760 I do wonder, too.

00:56:19.660 That's a good question, Josh.

00:56:20.780 Like, do they start maybe with friends like this?

00:56:24.520 You know, who needs?

00:56:26.000 I don't know.

00:56:27.420 Bill Clinton, he's older now.

00:56:29.220 How old is Bill Clinton?

00:56:29.980 We'll look it up.

00:56:31.420 But, you know, he's not.

00:56:33.060 He's 78.

00:56:33.700 He's not used like you're not used to him making mistakes like that.

00:56:39.520 Look, I mean, I think Delano just said it very well, actually.

00:56:42.760 Every so often a politician slips up and actually says the truth.

00:56:45.780 I mean, I mean, this is a very visceral reminder as to just how much the Democratic Party has transmogrified over the course of the past three decades since Bill Clinton was president.

00:56:54.000 Under the Bill Clinton presidency, the Democratic Party was famously the party of safe, legal and rare when it came to the abortion issue.

00:57:01.160 President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, DOMA, in 96.

00:57:05.600 He had welfare reform.

00:57:06.580 He had a capital gains tax cut.

00:57:08.420 The Democratic Party back then was actually very harsh for the most part on illegal immigration.

00:57:13.460 Bill Clinton signed into law in 96 a very tough on illegal immigration bill.

00:57:17.700 Harry Reid back then, when he was one of the Senate Democratic leaders from Nevada, actually went so far as to oppose birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. 0.73

00:57:25.040 Now, when Donald Trump says that 25, 30 years later, they call him a retrograde troglodyte, a racist, fascist, whatever kind of adjective you want to throw out there.

00:57:33.360 So Bill Clinton saying the quiet part out loud in this kind of mask off moment there, it really ought to be a moment for the American people to pause and say, hmm.

00:57:44.060 You know, why is Democratic Party saying such different things now in the era of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz than it was saying 30 years ago back when it was saying some common sense sort of stuff?

00:57:56.560 Yeah.

00:57:57.160 And am I still a Democrat like Bill Clinton is a reminder of what Democrats used to be?

00:58:03.060 And Kamala Harris's version of democracy or being a Democrat, I should say, are it's very, very different.

00:58:08.700 OK, so the media, as we've been showing you throughout, very compliant, very, very much rooting for and in the camp of Kamala Harris openly.

00:58:16.460 And this was this was evident on CBS News again with one of the CBS News debate moderators, Margaret Brennan, who is just she continues to just disgrace herself.

00:58:30.760 So she has a Sunday show and on it, she hosted Speaker Mike Johnson.

00:58:35.640 Speaker Mike Johnson was speaking to the hurricane relief efforts.

00:58:40.200 And as you guys know, they they they've had problems, serious problems, especially after Helene at the federal level.

00:58:47.380 So you saw what happened to CBS and 60 the other day, what they did with Kamala Harris's word salad answer on whether Bibi Netanyahu is listening to us.

00:58:55.940 They cleaned it up.

00:58:56.780 They got rid of some of her inanities and left in just a shorter version and refused to tell us whether that shorter version was, in fact, part of her initial response to the question asked.

00:59:07.120 If it came from a different place in the transcript, totally unethical, totally unethical.

00:59:11.440 And we deserve an answer as to exactly how this went down, because they released the one longer word salad as a tease.

00:59:16.840 They tightened it up and used a totally different phrase set of words for the answer that aired in the actual 60 minutes piece.

00:59:23.780 They refused to release the transcript, notwithstanding pressure now, even from Trump to release it from former CBS employees demanding an investigation.

00:59:31.800 So far, nothing.

00:59:33.460 Zero downside to them if they didn't violate ethical breach, ethical rules zero in releasing that transcript.

00:59:38.640 The only reason.

00:59:39.900 Well, it could be one of two things.

00:59:41.140 It would make them look bad or it would make her look bad or both. 0.96

00:59:45.020 That's it.

00:59:46.120 Those are not good reasons.

00:59:47.800 If you did something unethical, too bad.

00:59:50.200 It's time to pay the piper.

00:59:51.960 And if you if you are just trying to cover up her word salad, that's not a good reason for withholding it.

00:59:57.220 That's partisan hackery.

00:59:58.420 So anyway, now we get Speaker Johnson on the CBS Sunday show and the VP debate moderator, Margaret Brennan, who asks him a question about hurricane relief.

01:00:09.280 And I'm going to show you the version that aired.

01:00:14.500 This was obviously pre taped and he taped himself giving the answer and then released his full answer.

01:00:22.240 And it's not to say you're not allowed to make any edits whatsoever when you're putting on a program.

01:00:25.580 You are. But a substantive edit like this will get you in trouble every time.

01:00:31.060 Watch.

01:00:32.480 So that's a different accounting than this two percent you say was distributed.

01:00:36.340 Yeah. So they've obligated some funds, but they've only distributed two percent.

01:00:40.280 The rescue and recovery effort is still going on.

01:00:42.460 And then we address the rest of it.

01:00:43.940 So that's a different accounting than this two percent you say was distributed.

01:00:47.400 Yeah. So they've obligated some funds, but they've only distributed two percent.

01:00:51.440 And when I was there on the ground and you should go, I mean, bring the cameras and talk to the people there.

01:00:55.280 They'll tell you, don't don't take politicians words for this or the administration's word.

01:00:59.940 Talk to the people there on the ground.

01:01:01.660 They had not been provided the resources almost two weeks out from the storm that they desperately needed.

01:01:07.120 And when I was there 13 days post, you know, post the storm hitting that state, people are still being rescued.

01:01:12.880 They're stuck in the higher elevations in the mountains because the roads are down and all the rest.

01:01:16.800 So they need every every available resource and all hands on deck.

01:01:21.040 What do you make of it, Josh?

01:01:26.460 Look, CBS News, I mean, if there is any media outlet out there that is more discredited at this point than CBS News, I can't possibly think of what it is.

01:01:34.140 I mean, these are the same people that moderated the vice presidential debate that were fact checking J.D. Vance in real time after explicitly saying that they were not going to do that.

01:01:41.680 But as you alluded to, they they they totally chopped up the B.B. Netanyahu answer in Kamala's 16 minutes interview.

01:01:47.420 How about the Tony Dokopil, Ta-Nehisi Coates real time struggle session?

01:01:50.980 Tony Dokopil, the morning anchor, has the temerity, has the chutzpah to ask some very basic rudimentary questions to the charlatan Ta-Nehisi Coates.

01:01:58.720 You're talking about this conflict that you quite literally flew into in the Middle East with no knowledge.

01:02:02.700 Why are you not talking about the Sabaro bombing in the second intifada?

01:02:06.120 Why are you not talking about Hezbollah, Hamas, all of that?

01:02:08.560 And apparently the bigwigs of CBS News were so up in arms that they had a real time Maoist struggle session the next morning.

01:02:14.760 By the way, the DEI czar, who they were going to bring in to oversee this hearing, apparently they ditched him at the last minute because he has a social media history of referring to Tim Scott as Uncle Tim.

01:02:26.360 That goes back to what Delano was saying about a half hour ago or so about how black men are so stigmatized for supporting conservatives and whatnot there.

01:02:34.440 And now you have this.

01:02:35.880 I mean, look, the people have to pause at some point and say the trust in the media right now is the lowest it has been in the recorded history of Gallup Pew public polling on this issue.

01:02:47.800 I think the media has the lowest approval rating of maybe any institution in America right now outside of the Congress itself, which has been horrific for multiple decades now.

01:02:57.660 Will they ever look in the mirror and ask why?

01:03:00.140 And I have to conclude at this point the answer is probably not, which, by the way, is why you see the rise of alternative platforms.

01:03:05.500 You see the rise of YouTube and social media and Twitter and Instagram because people just no longer trust the one-time institutional gatekeepers of information.

01:03:12.860 And that paradoxically then leads these very same people who are engaging in this sort of slate of hand and ledger domain, that paradoxically then leads them to decry what they see as the purported misinformation and disinformation on these alternative services that they have actually induced the people to go to in the first place to get out of their own failed gatekeeping.

01:03:31.980 So it's a total catch-22.

01:03:33.920 But I don't think that they have the self-awareness to look in the mirror and actually stop these practices.

01:03:37.480 Mm-hmm.

01:03:39.000 And, you know, it really is at the detriment of the person who doesn't tape themselves.

01:03:44.060 Like, Speaker Johnson was very smart to do it.

01:03:46.000 Because you know how it works, Delano.

01:03:47.260 You go on one of these shows, you think a point like that will make air, right?

01:03:53.700 Like, you don't think you're going to be overly edited, especially on a criticism of the ruling administration on something that's affected thousands, millions of Americans.

01:04:05.040 Hundreds of Americans are dead.

01:04:06.380 So this is a very much an issue in the news right now.

01:04:09.940 And so you give the answer with the criticism, but you don't give it 10 times because when you're giving the interview, you're in your head, you're like, I've already said that.

01:04:19.460 And so it's a very effective way for CBS to just get rid of it.

01:04:24.440 It's gone.

01:04:25.600 And that's just a point that doesn't exist.

01:04:28.160 It's off into the ether.

01:04:30.080 And now I've cleansed the record for this administration, the same as Margaret Brennan tried to cleanse the record by cutting J.D. Vance's mic when he tried to correct her fake news fact check over our border policies. 0.98

01:04:46.500 And this is one of the reasons that we have such difficulty and people are resistant to media fact checkers, because at the end of the day, the media does not engage in fact checking.

01:04:58.500 The media engages in narrative checking.

01:05:00.800 So they choose which facts to include and which to omit.

01:05:06.300 They choose the language that they use to frame particular stories.

01:05:10.140 And then they do things like this, where they will just cut out substantive portions of a person's response in order to make it appear that they're saying something that they don't say.

01:05:18.140 Now, what makes this even worse is that they take this position when they deal with right of center politicians, but when they want to criticize these politicians, particularly in defense of the left, then they will do what they did.

01:05:34.620 And I'm thinking back in Florida a few years ago with the entire fake, you know, don't say gay controversy, right, about a law that substantively was about parental rights and education.

01:05:45.380 And they do, the corporate press does what it often does, which is act as what I call a media laundering enterprise, where they take ideas, they quote unquote, they wash them in the press.

01:05:58.220 And then when they come out on the other side, it allows advocates, activists to say, yes, this is what I heard from this particular CBS News or CNN.

01:06:07.360 And this is true because I got it from these particular platforms.

01:06:10.360 So they are good at distorting the truth in such a way where they can always say, well, no, as Jake Tapper said, you know, earlier in the program, no, I'm reading his words.

01:06:21.800 Yes, but you're reading them out of context.

01:06:23.840 And I remember an old pastor of mine says that whenever you take a text out of context, all you're left with is a con.

01:06:31.680 Oh, I like that.

01:06:32.360 You know, speaking of fact checking, in our next hour, we're going to have Steve Ballmer, reportedly the world's seventh richest man.

01:06:40.640 He owns the L.A. Clippers, and he used to run Microsoft for many, many years and was in on the ground floor of it with Bill Gates.

01:06:47.300 He's going to be here because he's talking about a fact.

01:06:50.580 It's not a fact checker, but it's a fact offerer.

01:06:55.640 The name of the website is USA facts dot org, and it's a website that's basically going to offer real facts about, for example, our economics and our crime rates and so on.

01:07:08.360 And he's done everything humanly possible to take all bias out of it.

01:07:12.700 And we'll get into whether that's even possible when it comes to reporting facts on controversial issues in our next hour.

01:07:19.220 But, you know, why not give it a try?

01:07:21.080 Okay, last but not least, I want to update our audience, and you guys might find this interesting, on a Twitter account, an X account now, that has been pushing a story we have covered to some extent on this show and now is pushing an incendiary story about Tim Walz.

01:07:38.200 Um, the audience may know the Twitter website or the account goes under the name Black Insurrectionist.

01:07:45.180 And the reason we talked about it on this show was he made some incendiary posts about a month ago after the ABC News presidential debate between Trump and Harris and said he'd been in touch with a whistleblower from within ABC News who was alleging that he has worked at ABC News for 10 years, that he heard conversations amongst executives, that he has them on tape,

01:08:10.880 and that they revealed that ABC News inappropriately coordinated with the Harris campaign in advance of the debate to do a couple of things, including not ask her anything about her time as AG, which they didn't at the debate,

01:08:26.280 to not ask her anything about her brother-in-law and his tenure over at the Department of Justice, which has been immersed in some controversy,

01:08:34.400 and to not ask her anything about Biden's mental acuity, none of those subjects was breached at the debate.

01:08:42.580 But this alleged whistleblower was claiming he knew that they wouldn't be touched, and he knew it the day before the debate,

01:08:49.980 and that he filled out a signed, sworn, verified affidavit, which is a document you sign in the law under the penalties of perjury,

01:08:57.000 the day before the debate, and that he mailed certified mail, a copy of said affidavit, sworn, to Speaker Mike Johnson the day before the debate.

01:09:09.560 And then in the wake of the debate, he was proven correct.

01:09:12.800 He had the audio tapes. He was going to come forward with them, and he was lighting the internet on fire.

01:09:19.060 You had a Republican congressman saying, was calling for hearings on Capitol Hill.

01:09:22.460 You had very prominent lawmakers from Ted Cruz to just notables like Bill Ackman saying,

01:09:27.340 this must be investigated within, possibly by the SEC, if true.

01:09:32.980 And we reported that on this show, and I did tell the audience I did not put my credibility behind this guy,

01:09:39.100 but that we needed to raise it because it was turning into a thing.

01:09:43.060 Well, update for you.

01:09:44.980 Since that date, we have been trying to ascertain whether Speaker Johnson did receive that certified letter.

01:09:51.600 Because it did seem to me from the beginning, if he got the letter, this guy's legit.

01:09:57.100 If he didn't get the letter, he's not.

01:09:59.940 That just seems pretty clear to me.

01:10:02.340 With the caveat that mail can be lost, but certified letters, no.

01:10:08.080 Well, we are now able to confirm they never got the letter.

01:10:12.060 We have spoken with a source with direct knowledge.

01:10:14.200 Speaker Johnson's office never got said alleged certified letter.

01:10:19.840 The alleged tapes have never been made public.

01:10:24.080 The alleged whistleblower has never come forward.

01:10:28.240 We were told he was possibly filing a lawsuit.

01:10:30.680 That didn't happen.

01:10:32.240 He allegedly filed a complaint with the SEC and the FEC.

01:10:36.260 We contacted those organizations, which did not confirm or deny.

01:10:40.400 They made no comment on whether they'd received such a complaint.

01:10:42.680 But even if one were received, it doesn't prove said whistleblower exists.

01:10:47.000 That is the state of this alleged ABC News whistleblower and this X account, which, for whatever it's worth, I have unfollowed.

01:10:55.460 Because when I followed him, he put me in his bio as Megyn Kelly's following me, which is not okay.

01:11:01.940 I specifically made clear on this show and elsewhere, I was not vouching for this person's credibility.

01:11:07.500 I do not follow him now.

01:11:09.340 I do not recommend you follow him.

01:11:11.020 And I recommend everybody proceed with extreme caution on the latest incendiary things he is saying about Governor Tim Walz.

01:11:17.940 Just because it hurts, quote, the other side doesn't mean it's appropriate to run with.

01:11:23.620 And in this day and age, people need to be really careful who they trust.

01:11:28.800 So I want to make sure our audience is up to date on that.

01:11:32.100 Any thoughts on the state of information and what passes for scandal, news, and, you know, stories these days?

01:11:38.960 Because you know how it is, guys.

01:11:40.440 It's like we've been lied to so much by our government.

01:11:42.860 I understand why people are like, hmm, anything's possible and by our media.

01:11:47.300 But you've got to be so careful.

01:11:50.660 Yeah, you do.

01:11:51.440 Look, I live here in Florida, Macon, and we've gotten battered by multiple hurricanes recently.

01:11:56.140 We had Hurricane Helene and we had Hurricane Milton.

01:11:58.480 And, you know, I was filling in on the radio last Monday.

01:12:01.420 I was trying to project to both the South Florida area and also to Tampa Bay, trying to encourage them to prepare for this, to prepare for Hurricane Milton, to go to the grocery store, to get your jugs of water, to get your non-perishables, your canned goods, whatnot.

01:12:16.520 I mean, does it really help when someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying that they're doing this to you, deliberately vague as of who the they is, whether it's the Jews or the government or perhaps someone else there?

01:12:26.840 No, it obviously does not help.

01:12:28.400 I mean, this is blatantly incendiary stuff.

01:12:31.840 Yeah, the hurricane.

01:12:32.560 Exactly.

01:12:33.020 I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:12:33.600 You control everything, Josh, for the love of God.

01:12:35.600 I mean, it's a very, very big group, very powerful.

01:12:38.880 You know, Megan, sometimes I wish that my people controlled everything, given how much the Jews are being killed out there in the information war and the PR war over the past year.

01:12:46.640 But neither here nor there, I suppose, for present purposes.

01:12:49.800 But, you know, I had a similar thought to this back at the Baltimore Bridge collapse when that happened back, I think it was in late March as well.

01:12:55.620 You know, people just immediately go to the absolute craziest thing that will get you retweets, reposts, whatever Elon Musk is calling it these days there.

01:13:04.260 And, yes, it is true.

01:13:05.660 On the one hand, it is true that many things that our ruling class dismisses as so-called conspiracy theories end up being the case.

01:13:12.480 We all remember the COVID-19 origin, the Wuhan lab, the Hunter Biden laptop where you had the 51 deep state spooks. 0.52

01:13:19.120 The next day, Jim Clapper, John Brennan trying to dismiss this Russian disinformation.

01:13:22.500 Yes, the ruling class has complete egg on its face when it comes to a lot of things they have tried to shunt aside as misinformation or as fake news or whatever, conspiracy theory.

01:13:33.540 But on the other hand, that doesn't necessarily mean you have to try to put out the craziest thing imaginable, as you say, just to try to hurt the other side.

01:13:42.160 It is a delicate balance.

01:13:44.080 It's a delicate line to draw.

01:13:45.600 But we have to do our best in this business and the talking head class to do our best to try to toe that line.

01:13:50.820 So that's the thing, Delano, because you run with with like what he's peddling now.

01:13:56.660 I won't repeat on this show.

01:13:58.060 It's just so incendiary.

01:13:59.680 And I should point out ABC News denied his report on the whistleblower.

01:14:03.680 Hey, if there's a guy out there with tapes, it's not too late.

01:14:06.700 It's not too late.

01:14:07.460 But I think we know where that's going to go.

01:14:09.460 In any event, you you just have to be you have to be careful.

01:14:13.980 Right. Because I think what could happen is you run with, let's say, what he's peddling right now.

01:14:20.420 And then when that turns out to be absolutely untrue, if and when it does, you've embarrassed yourself.

01:14:26.400 And there are many people theorizing that this this could all be a kind of an op by the other side to trap people.

01:14:33.500 Right. With credibility or online into saying, repeating these incendiary things only to then later be embarrassed.

01:14:42.440 Yeah, I think instead of focusing on fact checking and I chuckle when the people who talk about wanting to do fact checks are the people who believe that men can get pregnant.

01:14:51.620 But to me, that would that would be the first question I would ask to anyone who wants to be in that business.

01:14:57.000 Right. Just sort of true up my scales a little bit.

01:14:59.280 But but I do think that media literacy, information literacy is a bipartisan sort of multiracial, multiethnic, multireligious. 0.63

01:15:08.480 Every American needs this because to Josh's point, when you remove the gatekeepers, you also remove one of the things that they that they bring.

01:15:16.420 Right. Which is a sense of discipline and order and structure in terms of our, you know, information systems.

01:15:23.480 And now we're at a point where no matter who we're talking about, what side of the aisle they fall on, there's going to be someone pushing some some information that says that this person is the worst person in the world.

01:15:34.920 And and it's something that can catch both the left and the right in its net.

01:15:39.060 And that's why I'm a firm believer, obviously, in checking your sources, getting, you know, first person accounts.

01:15:45.160 It's to me, the heavier the claim, the more evidence and you need to bring to bear.

01:15:49.220 And I think this is something that politicians on both sides of the aisle.

01:15:53.260 It does not matter, you know, whether you are conservative and you're talking about, you know, immigrants in one particular Midwestern city or or you're a liberal and you're talking about people who are clinging to the God and guns.

01:16:07.060 And and advancing certain theories about, you know, what people do in their personal lives.

01:16:11.780 So this is needed today more than ever, because the next generation, who I think is has their digital natives and have grown up with devices and ubiquitous information, have never heard of the Dewey Decimal System, have never had to go and check out a book from a library.

01:16:28.660 They are going to be even more vulnerable to this type of thing, because what people instinctively do is to find information that can confirms their priors and sort of reaffirms their existing narratives.

01:16:43.260 Yeah. Stay in the business of truth seeking and then decide how you feel about it.

01:16:48.040 But it it should go in that order.

01:16:50.980 Delano, Josh, great to see you guys.

01:16:52.480 Thanks for being here.

01:16:53.960 Thank you.

01:16:54.420 Thank you, Megan.

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01:20:10.680 Steve Ballmer is a hugely successful entrepreneur.

01:20:20.000 He's a billionaire.

01:20:21.520 He came from humble beginnings and is entirely self-made.

01:20:25.100 His father was a Swiss immigrant who worked a mid-level job at Ford.

01:20:30.040 Grew up in Detroit.

01:20:31.540 He wound up graduating first in his class from high school.

01:20:34.760 He went to Harvard.

01:20:35.380 He was the football team manager, and he happened to live down the hall from a kid named Bill Gates, who was there at the same time.

01:20:44.440 After graduating from Harvard, Steve wound up selling Duncan Hines cake mixes, which, I mean, let's be honest, they sell themselves.

01:20:52.780 They're delicious.

01:20:53.780 But soon his old pal Bill Gates called him up and said,

01:20:56.740 You know, I've got this new startup you might be interested in joining.

01:21:00.820 Why don't you leave where he now was, which was Stanford Business School, and join me over here?

01:21:07.620 So he did.

01:21:08.980 He went over to the now multibillion-dollar company, Microsoft, and for 14 years, Steve Ballmer served as the chief executive officer there.

01:21:18.600 Under his leadership, revenue at the company more than tripled, and in 2014, just months after he retired as CEO, instead of getting on a yacht and moving to St. Barts, he purchased the Los Angeles Clippers basketball team for a whopping $2 billion.

01:21:37.720 And in the 10 years since, he's doubled the franchise's worth, and it seems to have brought him quite a bit of psychic income as well.

01:21:46.800 Now he's got this new project that is and feels philanthropic, and this one's for all of us.

01:21:55.540 He is the founder of USA Facts, with a mission to provide unbiased information rooted in data.

01:22:03.180 You can find said facts at USAFacts.org.

01:22:07.480 Welcome to the show, Steve.

01:22:08.760 Great to see you.

01:22:09.660 Great to be here.

01:22:10.380 Thanks for having me, Megan.

01:22:11.460 Real pleasure.

01:22:12.360 All right.

01:22:12.640 Well, I love the idea.

01:22:13.940 I went over, of course, just to check it out and to see whether I thought USAFacts.org was unbiased, because I'm always primed to find bias if it's there.

01:22:24.040 And actually, I approve.

01:22:26.020 I did not detect what I thought would be a left-wing bias coming from somebody who's been in tech his whole life.

01:22:33.380 So thumbs up on that.

01:22:34.560 Well done.

01:22:35.500 Why was this necessary?

01:22:37.040 Why did you want to do it?

01:22:38.900 Well, I actually started the project in 2014, right after I retired.

01:22:46.000 My wife had been focusing in on philanthropic activities, really focused on kids and families who might not have a shot at the American dream, if you will. 0.96

01:22:57.660 And I told her, no, no, no, no, no, I'm tired.

01:23:01.660 Government pays for that stuff. 0.89

01:23:03.740 We don't need to do anything.

01:23:05.200 And she said, you know, come on, dude, we're going to do better than that.

01:23:08.480 Let's take our responsibility or desire to help.

01:23:12.580 But I set out to kind of understand whether government did pay for all of that.

01:23:19.060 Where does government money come from?

01:23:21.040 Where does it really get spent?

01:23:22.860 What does wealth transfer look like through the process?

01:23:25.760 And then when you get into it, you've got to talk about what the outcomes are.

01:23:30.740 I took kind of the business approach, which was to say, I don't want people's forecast.

01:23:35.960 I don't want think tank analysis because think tanks generally have some bias.

01:23:40.560 I said, let's just look at the numbers that government produces.

01:23:44.760 I happen to believe that we have good statistical agencies with credible people.

01:23:50.940 And if those numbers are wrong, then I blame politicians on both sides.

01:23:55.760 Who have the opportunity to address and fix these things.

01:23:59.880 I did that for myself.

01:24:01.540 And as I was going along, I said, hey, why don't we package this up in forms that might be useful to other people?

01:24:08.060 And that was kind of the birth story.

01:24:10.580 2017, three years later, we took a business approach.

01:24:14.140 We published a 10K report, like businesses would have to, and an annual report.

01:24:20.120 And we've been off to the races ever since.

01:24:22.560 Okay.

01:24:23.020 But now how do you manage to keep this thing from veering left?

01:24:28.100 Because I have been invited to go speak at Google HQ and Facebook HQ.

01:24:34.240 And I've been asked by their CEOs and others over the years, how do we make our products more fair?

01:24:42.060 How do we understand the right half of the country since tech historically has leaned left and is based in a sort of a left-wing town?

01:24:49.900 And, you know, it tends to be populated like news with mostly lefties.

01:24:54.720 So what do we do?

01:24:55.680 And I told them all the same thing.

01:24:58.240 Get more actual Republicans or conservatives in your organizations in an editorial role.

01:25:04.760 They don't have to dominate it, but get them in there. 0.97

01:25:07.040 Get them a seat at the table.

01:25:08.460 And, Steve, they did not listen to me.

01:25:10.720 And they should have.

01:25:12.280 So how do you manage this?

01:25:14.680 Well, we have pretty strong culture around being unbiased.

01:25:24.120 And because we're using government data, it's hard to – and we don't try to forecast.

01:25:32.180 We don't try to say what the cause of something was.

01:25:36.120 We just say, here's the current state of affairs.

01:25:39.820 I mean, look, if both parties can't somehow agree that inflation was X versus Y, that's a problem.

01:25:48.080 Where might it go in the future?

01:25:49.840 Who caused it?

01:25:51.380 So we stay very principled around that.

01:25:55.900 I also tell us to avoid adjectives wherever possible.

01:26:00.180 Adjectives, words, they can sound partisan.

01:26:03.180 Numbers are not partisan.

01:26:05.100 You know, three is three.

01:26:06.640 Two is two.

01:26:07.500 Some people might say, oh, three is hugely bigger than two.

01:26:11.500 It's one and a half times.

01:26:13.760 But if it's in the context of 100, so we're very careful to provide historical context, context in terms of other numbers that government produces.

01:26:24.120 And if we do those things, I think we've been able to stay well anchored.

01:26:27.940 Now, also, before we first published, we had some folks, political folks, on both the right and the left, take a look at our stuff and say, hey, what do you see?

01:26:38.940 What are we missing?

01:26:40.280 Are we showing bias in what we're doing?

01:26:43.580 And consistently since then, I've gone to D.C. every year.

01:26:47.020 We've had bipartisan groups of senators together a number of times now, and nobody's actually picked on that one key aspect.

01:26:56.740 Of course, there are various numbers that are more interesting to one party or the other, but that's on them.

01:27:03.660 I want to make sure the numbers are clear, presented well, how they choose to use them.

01:27:08.840 And that's a political statement.

01:27:10.880 That's a partisan statement.

01:27:12.900 You can't know in the future.

01:27:14.000 You can't go to Washington.

01:27:15.520 You can't talk to senators and congressmen for this.

01:27:18.260 You have to come to people like me because they all want your money.

01:27:21.360 I don't want anything from you.

01:27:23.240 You need people.

01:27:24.080 Oh, slow down.

01:27:25.880 Slow down.

01:27:26.960 I am not a political donor.

01:27:29.640 There are a few causes I care about.

01:27:32.320 I am not a political donor.

01:27:34.260 Now, I don't control my wife. 1.00

01:27:36.100 And if you look at her history, it would tend to be more left than right.

01:27:40.480 But there are issues that I care about.

01:27:42.720 But basically, I will not participate supporting candidates on either side.

01:27:48.500 I appreciate that.

01:27:49.600 Including now some old friends.

01:27:51.800 I have an old friend from Microsoft who I know is very smart, et cetera.

01:27:56.800 But I won't support her because I don't want to take partisan positions.

01:28:01.840 Well, it's funny because in my role, I don't make any political donations.

01:28:05.740 It's not appropriate for a journalist to do that.

01:28:07.900 But at some shops, they'll let you.

01:28:09.840 And I always felt like that was just a deeply wrong thing to do.

01:28:12.600 And most news organizations feel the same.

01:28:14.740 They just once you've put money into something, you've actually, you know, made a bet with

01:28:21.340 money on something.

01:28:22.520 It's very hard not to have a bias in favor of the something.

01:28:26.680 So I appreciate that.

01:28:28.280 I mean, I wish more people would follow your lead, including celebrities who make it almost

01:28:32.740 impossible for us to watch them because they're so hard partisan on one side.

01:28:37.060 It's like, well, now I know you can't stand me.

01:28:39.180 How am I going to enjoy you on the big screen?

01:28:41.220 So thank you for not ruining the L.A. Clippers for us, even though I honestly barely knew that

01:28:46.620 was a basketball team before this week.

01:28:49.180 I'm so non into sports, Steve.

01:28:51.400 I've got to confess the truth.

01:28:52.460 Now, you mentioned no adjectives on USAFacts.org.

01:28:58.340 That, to me, seems antithetical to who you are based on what I've seen, you know, just

01:29:03.340 in clips of you at the Microsoft meetings and you at the Clippers.

01:29:07.560 There's not a more adjective-prone, enthusiastic cheerleader for the things that you get involved

01:29:14.100 with.

01:29:14.500 The no adjectives must have been hard.

01:29:16.180 Yeah, I mean, I can't.

01:29:18.680 I'll also sort of put up front, you know, there are some adjectives that get used, but

01:29:24.120 we try to avoid largely.

01:29:26.120 I mean, for me, measured, measured and show the numbers.

01:29:31.200 Yes, I'm a huge fan.

01:29:34.020 I was a fan of Microsoft as well as a participant, a fan of the Clippers.

01:29:38.780 But the one thing I like better, actually, than my fandom is numbers.

01:29:43.500 You know, math was my sort of key skill growing up.

01:29:49.760 I brought that.

01:29:50.200 Perfect 800 on the math SAT.

01:29:53.560 That got exaggerated.

01:29:55.100 It was 790, but Wikipedia was a little off on that.

01:29:58.040 But that's okay.

01:29:59.200 That's false news, but I can't change those.

01:30:02.880 It's a Wikipedia issue.

01:30:04.940 But at the same time, I do love numbers.

01:30:08.340 I think they tell stories.

01:30:09.920 I made this point even in sports, football.

01:30:14.780 Tom Brady, when he was playing in quarterbacks, they have to have a sense of how far people

01:30:20.040 away, where are they going?

01:30:22.060 And in a sense, it's almost like a numerical puzzle.

01:30:25.500 So I love numbers.

01:30:27.040 I love to use numbers.

01:30:28.760 And I'm very disciplined about not letting my enthusiasm for things get in the way of what

01:30:35.080 the numbers actually say.

01:30:36.480 Well, it's interesting because some of the people I've trusted most over the past few

01:30:41.060 years as we've started edging toward a post-factual world, at least in politics and public messaging,

01:30:48.420 are economists.

01:30:50.320 They're math guys at heart because math does still add up unless you inject something weird

01:30:55.700 into it.

01:30:56.940 This is not my area of expertise.

01:30:59.280 It's not my forte.

01:30:59.980 But I appreciate people with a strong background in math because they tend to make the most

01:31:05.000 sense.

01:31:06.820 I did want to ask you about that because a couple of things about you.

01:31:11.120 So, okay, 790.

01:31:12.660 I mean, you should have tried a little harder, but that's fine.

01:31:15.600 790 is fine.

01:31:16.760 So you get into Harvard.

01:31:18.140 Self-made, as I said.

01:31:20.260 Now, when you were a kid rising to the top of your class as a high schooler, were you an

01:31:26.380 incredibly hard worker, or were you one of those kids that this just came easily to you?

01:31:30.940 It was just natural for you.

01:31:33.040 I'd say a little bit of both.

01:31:35.600 I was a very hard worker, and writing never came easy to me.

01:31:41.980 Math, speaking did come easy to me, which is why I pushed through the math curriculum in

01:31:48.860 my high school in two years and started taking college math courses, because I believe it's

01:31:55.340 helpful for people to pursue things that they're good at, but passionate enough to really bust

01:32:02.100 their butts, so to speak, to be good at it. 0.99

01:32:04.960 So I'd say a little bit of both, actually, in my case. 0.82

01:32:08.600 Can I come back to one thing you said about economists?

01:32:11.000 Just to your point about bias.

01:32:14.380 I used to think I was an applied math and economics major, and I used to think economics

01:32:19.300 was a total science.

01:32:22.180 I now know we have left-wing economists and right-wing economists, which will tell you

01:32:28.580 it is not an exact science.

01:32:31.160 Otherwise, you can't have two scientists looking at the same data and coming to completely different

01:32:37.420 conclusions.

01:32:38.060 So even economic analysis, unless it comes from the government, moving through it, you

01:32:46.080 know, got to live by the numbers.

01:32:47.380 I'm thinking about people like Thomas Sowell, Glenn Lowry, you know, like people who are

01:32:53.340 more heterodox in some of the dicier issues in our news over the past few years.

01:32:58.100 You look over and you say, why are they, why do they sound so much different than everybody

01:33:01.840 else on this?

01:33:02.740 A lot of these guys have a background in econ, and I don't think it's accidental.

01:33:06.600 I spoke with Glenn Lowry about it, who's formerly of Harvard, and now he's at Brown.

01:33:11.600 I just don't think it's coincidental.

01:33:13.140 So I see that, okay, you go on, you're at Harvard.

01:33:16.600 One of the great things about going to a great school like Harvard, or at least used to be,

01:33:20.200 Harvard's much more controversial for reasons you know now, is that you do have connections.

01:33:25.300 You make connections.

01:33:26.400 This is something, I'm going to be honest, really wasn't a factor at Syracuse.

01:33:31.220 With all due respect to my friends at Syracuse, they have not proven instrumental to me in

01:33:38.260 my professional life.

01:33:41.060 But, you know, it seems like, can you speak to that dynamic?

01:33:44.520 Because I think a lot of people out there right now, I'm asking you this as a mother,

01:33:48.000 are ruining their children's childhoods to try to get them into a school like Harvard

01:33:52.780 so that they can make a connection, kind of like Bill Gates down the hall, and wind up the

01:33:57.820 seventh richest man in the world, or whatever they say you are.

01:34:01.040 So can you speak a little to that?

01:34:02.920 Yeah.

01:34:03.420 I mean, obviously, I did build Meet Bill in school.

01:34:07.960 Obviously, that connection, I wouldn't say just was important to me, also important to

01:34:12.340 Bill.

01:34:13.100 I think it was a special partnership with him and his co-founder, Paul Allen, and me, since

01:34:18.920 I joined when the company was only 30 people.

01:34:21.860 And obviously, we grew tremendously.

01:34:24.180 With that said, if you ask me, were there other connections I met, I made at Harvard that

01:34:31.220 were instrumental?

01:34:32.620 Yeah, there was one guy I hired, who I'd gone to Harvard with, and actually, I had known since

01:34:38.240 summer math camp in Detroit.

01:34:40.540 But by and large, no, it wasn't the folks that I met at Harvard that wound up being key to my

01:34:48.140 life.

01:34:48.560 So I do think that, and I can't speak exactly to today, but I do think, you know, the more

01:34:56.680 competitive to get into schools are a little bit of a screening process, at least on kids'

01:35:03.620 SAT scores.

01:35:05.620 Nowadays, people are using SATs.

01:35:07.960 So it's a screen.

01:35:09.400 But it, you know, I can't say the old, I'll still say old boys network.

01:35:14.000 I can't say the old boys or old girls network, I have found fundamental.

01:35:20.160 But the screening process on SATs, particularly when you're looking at, you know, engineers,

01:35:25.440 and, you know, they've been screened for math scores, it does help a little bit.

01:35:30.620 We're more like we, when I was at Microsoft, we would hire a higher percentage of the kids

01:35:36.020 that we interviewed at Harvard than the kids we would have interviewed at, I don't know,

01:35:43.800 Purdue.

01:35:44.360 Purdue's an excellent school, and we hired a lot of people from Purdue.

01:35:49.340 It's fascinating to me, because it's like, you have this natural aptitude, you use it,

01:35:53.620 you make the most of it, you wind up at Harvard, like, circumstance brings you together with

01:35:58.920 this guy, Bill Gates.

01:35:59.920 And as you say, you've formed this partnership, and Paul Allen's there, too.

01:36:04.500 And then the world has changed.

01:36:05.920 Before you know it, the world has changed.

01:36:07.960 This started in 1980, right?

01:36:10.340 Is that when you went over, or is that when Microsoft started?

01:36:13.700 The company started in, I would say, late 74.

01:36:17.480 Bill and I were friends when we started the company.

01:36:20.160 I didn't join until 1980, when he finally said he needed a business guy.

01:36:24.980 And I came in as, quote, the business guy in the company.

01:36:30.080 And he looked at that record with Duncan Hines and the cake, and he was like, Steve, I need you.

01:36:36.800 Yeah, that and being the business guy to the school newspaper and the manager of the football team,

01:36:43.140 those are my relevant qualifications, Megan.

01:36:47.360 Yeah, but you were on the rocket ship.

01:36:49.100 You helped build the rocket ship as it was taking flight.

01:36:51.700 And, you know, the whole country has benefited from that.

01:36:55.040 I'll move off of this, but I do want to ask you.

01:36:56.960 I've got to spend a minute on achieving enormous wealth after such a modest background.

01:37:01.720 And growing up, you know, the son of immigrants in Detroit.

01:37:08.240 A friend of mine told me a story once.

01:37:11.500 They'd been on Paul Allen's private jet.

01:37:15.780 And Paul Allen had said, you know, what would you like for dinner tonight as they flew?

01:37:20.160 You know, whatever you like.

01:37:22.240 And he's like, it's pizza.

01:37:25.280 And so Paul said to the flight attendant, could we get some pizza?

01:37:29.440 And she said, oh, my God, sir, it's like the one thing we don't have.

01:37:32.960 You know, they could have made him osabuco, but they didn't have pizza.

01:37:37.220 And so Paul's like, well, you know, we're flying over whatever.

01:37:41.000 Is there any way maybe we could stop?

01:37:42.820 We could put the put the plane down for a minute and we could get some pizza.

01:37:45.920 So now the flight attendants are calling every pizza joint in town of the, you know, state that they're over or the city they're going to land in.

01:37:54.180 And they're all closed.

01:37:55.220 It's the middle of the night.

01:37:56.620 So they call some guy who's at home, the pizza owner.

01:38:01.920 He's at home.

01:38:02.900 And they get his, you know, home line and they call him up.

01:38:06.020 And the guy's like, what?

01:38:07.960 Is there any way you could go in and make a pizza?

01:38:12.000 And he's like, no, the pizza joint's closed.

01:38:15.000 I'm not doing it.

01:38:16.620 And the person representing Paul, wasn't Paul, says to the guy, imagine a world in which money is no object and no is not an option.

01:38:28.060 And the guy's like, all right, I'll do it for $10,000, like done.

01:38:36.880 So he got his pizza.

01:38:38.760 I love this story.

01:38:40.140 I mean, it's, of course, excessive and all that, not relatable.

01:38:42.920 But I mean, come on, it happened and it's kind of an interesting tale.

01:38:46.720 So how has achieving earning such immense riches changed your life?

01:38:52.880 Yeah, I'd never heard that story about my dear friend, Paul.

01:38:59.340 It doesn't shock me.

01:39:01.760 But yeah, I had never heard that story.

01:39:05.140 Yeah, in my case, I would point to probably three things, four things that are important.

01:39:12.360 Number one, I just don't have to worry about money.

01:39:15.300 My family doesn't have to worry about money.

01:39:17.640 And all of the pressures that come with that, we just don't have.

01:39:22.860 And it takes stress out of life.

01:39:25.660 That would be number one.

01:39:27.780 Number two, I could buy a basketball team.

01:39:31.900 I really could buy a basketball team, which, you know, when you're a kid, people say, oh, did you always dream of owning a basketball team?

01:39:38.720 Of course not.

01:39:39.960 Nobody gets enough money to buy a basketball team.

01:39:42.760 But I was fortunate.

01:39:43.820 Not only did I get to buy a basketball team, we just finished building a two-plus-billion-dollar arena that I think is the best.

01:39:52.940 It's almost the best product I was ever, thank you, that I was ever involved with.

01:39:57.200 So you get, you know, that kind of ability.

01:40:00.880 You know, philanthropically, you know, for example, we paid for, I don't know, 18,000 kids in Detroit, K-8 Detroit area, to do a six-week summer program this summer.

01:40:14.500 That's fun.

01:40:15.380 That's exciting.

01:40:16.580 Couldn't do that if I wasn't so blessed.

01:40:19.200 And then there are what I'd call some perks of wealth.

01:40:22.700 We have a nice beach house.

01:40:25.100 Yes, I have a plane.

01:40:27.540 And those are, you know, as Warren Buffett used to say, they may be indefensible, but they really are nice perks.

01:40:35.660 And no, I've never shopped to get pizza in whatever, Dubuque, Iowa.

01:40:42.720 What's the best one?

01:40:43.760 Give me the best one.

01:40:44.580 Is it the plane?

01:40:47.100 No, no, no, no, no.

01:40:48.160 It's the basketball.

01:40:49.500 It's the basketball team.

01:40:51.940 I probably couldn't get to, I get to almost all our games, home games.

01:40:57.340 And that wouldn't be possible without the plane.

01:41:00.140 But by far, the best thing is the basketball team.

01:41:03.680 Oh, well, that's amazing.

01:41:05.140 And you have managed, you know, we went back and looked at what you've donated to and so on.

01:41:10.000 And it is like you have maintained a line right down the middle and helped like some very good and indisputably excellent charities and groups.

01:41:19.160 So hats off to you.

01:41:21.420 We kind of need you back on the front lines in the political fight that's going on in our country right now.

01:41:27.600 Not to take a side exactly, but to help with real solutions.

01:41:31.680 And I'll tell you why I'm leading into it that way.

01:41:33.580 I was at the All In Summit not long ago with, I'm sure, lots of guys you know, like David Sachs and others.

01:41:41.360 And they were asking me what I thought we should do to change politics and just how messed up they are.

01:41:49.640 And we talked a little bit about Citizens United and how much money funnels into politics.

01:41:54.420 But I said to them, I just really think bottom line, because they said, well, if you could wave a magic wand and change the political system or add a constitutional amendment, what would you do?

01:42:03.580 And I said, I just really don't think the answers are coming from there.

01:42:06.680 I said, I think they're coming from places like this, like this audience that we were sitting in front of.

01:42:11.860 People outside of the political system who are problem solvers.

01:42:16.500 And that leads me back to you.

01:42:18.340 So you start with this website, USAFacts.org, where you're trying to restore a belief in facts, that there are facts that we can agree on.

01:42:28.560 Filter 10 times over.

01:42:29.980 It's just keep filtering, keep filtering to try to get out biases and slants and so on.

01:42:36.940 How do we expand this to a place where we can problem solve when it comes to things like the debt that we're about to shove on our children?

01:42:48.040 Both candidates, big on spending, big, right?

01:42:52.000 How do we do something like that, Steve?

01:42:53.860 I think we, first of all, go all the way back to civics classes, which is what they were called when I was in school.

01:43:06.280 It's good to educate people.

01:43:08.180 We have three branches of government.

01:43:10.160 We have checks and balances.

01:43:11.540 But without any sense of what government looks like by the numbers, how are we really educating our kids to participate in the political process?

01:43:24.920 So I think, you know, even going back to education, and we're thinking a lot about how we get our stuff into a form that can be relevant in high school.

01:43:35.380 I talked to a high school teacher, somebody I happen to know, and they're using some of our videos.

01:43:40.020 And I was real proud, but it got me stimulated to think again about going all the way back to high school education, if you will.

01:43:50.580 Number two, I really think our political leaders, there should be almost a mandate that they all read and agree with some fundamental set of facts.

01:44:03.800 When I was CEO of Microsoft, you know, the SEC makes you sign a document.

01:44:09.040 I have read these numbers.

01:44:10.660 To the best of my knowledge, they are accurate.

01:44:13.160 There's no forecasts.

01:44:14.720 There's no, you know, detailed explanations.

01:44:17.800 It's just by the numbers.

01:44:19.640 Why can't we get our political leaders to have to sign up to say, hey, look, I know the data.

01:44:26.420 You can agree or disagree with me about why and what.

01:44:30.420 I just think it's almost, I just think it's really, really not okay for our political leaders to not be held to account for producing and understanding not every layer of detail,

01:44:44.260 but some fundamental information about our country.

01:44:47.300 Number three, there are tools that we see being able to build in our future in which you could take almost any piece of media, if you will, and let people in real time click and check.

01:45:05.020 Okay, this is what so-and-so is saying.

01:45:08.600 Let me look at the source data.

01:45:10.700 Let me look at the context around it.

01:45:13.620 You know, there are ways to get there.

01:45:15.320 We have some ideas.

01:45:16.520 And with artificial intelligence, maybe not immediately, totally, because of the, you know, possibility for hallucination.

01:45:25.660 We're working through how we'd avoid that.

01:45:28.160 But right there, when you're reading something or watching something, boom, you ought to be able to get the answers to your question.

01:45:34.660 And, you know, even older people need a level of education.

01:45:38.660 We put out these, what we call just the facts from USA Facts videos.

01:45:42.820 I showed them to my wife and she said, oh, wow, I didn't realize that number would be that big.

01:45:49.220 Or, ooh, that was interesting to me, being surprised by some of the things that are just outside the day-to-day world in which she and I happen to live.

01:46:01.460 So, I think there's three, four, five things where you can get people ready to go, including our politicians, and have that really help propel a better political environment.

01:46:13.560 Now, will there still be people who just disagree about what to do?

01:46:18.700 Sure.

01:46:19.840 But at least do it in the context of what is true today.

01:46:23.380 Today's deficit is X.

01:46:25.460 Today's spending is Y.

01:46:27.880 It can kind of drive me crazy.

01:46:29.980 Again, I make no forecast.

01:46:32.180 But people say, you know, we're going to close the deficit by doing X, Y, or Z.

01:46:37.960 And you say, huh, well, you know, just under a quarter of all government spending is on Social Security.

01:46:47.980 Okay.

01:46:48.760 We may have to talk about Social Security.

01:46:51.540 Again, I'm not making value judgments.

01:46:53.660 I'm not saying what to do.

01:46:55.100 But don't, don't tell me you're going to work on something without taking a look at it and acknowledging the, let's call it the elephant in the room.

01:47:04.560 Here's the big numbers. 0.99

01:47:05.720 Darn it. 0.98

01:47:06.560 If you really want to get after it, you're going to have to get, you know, after some of these things. 0.99

01:47:11.340 Or tax revenue.

01:47:12.900 People say, well, either we're going to lower taxes, increase taxes.

01:47:16.620 But, you know, not that this is relevant to me, because our kids aren't going to get the vast majority of our resources.

01:47:26.320 But inheritance tax.

01:47:28.020 Inheritance tax is under $200 million, let's say.

01:47:32.260 It's probably $50 million, $50, sorry, let me get mine, $50 billion a year of revenue.

01:47:39.580 It's great, but our total tax base at the federal level is $4.4 trillion.

01:47:45.560 We're not going to get there by doubling the inheritance tax.

01:47:48.940 Again, I make no value judgment.

01:47:51.280 It's fine.

01:47:52.220 Some, you know, society wants to increase or decrease things.

01:47:55.960 But the numbers give you a scale and sense. 0.99

01:47:58.660 And darn it. 0.93

01:48:00.960 Politicians ought to acknowledge that and explain what they want to do in that context. 0.98

01:48:05.860 Mm-hmm.

01:48:06.400 Well, I object to the inheritance tax.

01:48:08.300 I'm so angry about it.

01:48:09.320 I don't have your kind of dough.

01:48:10.880 I'm doing fine.

01:48:12.040 But I just feel like you earn it.

01:48:13.660 I come from nothing.

01:48:15.160 I earned it.

01:48:15.900 I paid taxes on it, like actual taxes with, you know, the W-4 and all that.

01:48:21.240 I didn't have any vehicles to hide the money.

01:48:23.840 I was a salaried employee.

01:48:25.340 And, you know, now you pay over 50% in taxes.

01:48:28.040 If I want to give what's left when I die to my kids, I don't want them coming for it again.

01:48:32.580 But they do.

01:48:33.500 So it's annoying.

01:48:35.100 It's just the government's constantly got its hand out and usually in your pocket.

01:48:39.520 So it annoys me.

01:48:41.200 Well, I want to show the audience.

01:48:42.600 From a USA facts perspective?

01:48:45.440 Yeah.

01:48:45.800 Yes.

01:48:46.280 Tell me.

01:48:48.600 No, I was just going to say, it's a good example of how we have to stay non-biased on the issue.

01:48:55.960 You should have your opinion.

01:48:57.920 You should vote your opinion.

01:49:00.080 Yes.

01:49:00.240 But we can do it in the context of what's going on.

01:49:03.280 And that's not our job.

01:49:05.420 Yeah.

01:49:05.740 Here is one.

01:49:07.460 This is one about fentanyl deaths.

01:49:09.840 To your point of like, gee, I didn't know that.

01:49:12.080 I mean, our audience is up to speed on the fact that fentanyl is a massive problem for us.

01:49:16.620 And in particular, the number one death for young people as of now.

01:49:20.240 But take a look at SOT4.

01:49:21.380 Now let's look at accidental deaths.

01:49:24.740 Unfortunately, they have been increasing over the last decade, totaling over 227,000 in 2022 and accounting for 7% of total deaths.

01:49:36.340 Accidental poisonings, which include drug overdoses, represent 45% of all accidental deaths.

01:49:45.740 The leading causes of overdoses are fentanyl and meth, with fentanyl overdoses alone growing from just over 3,000 in 2010, 74,000 in 2022.

01:49:58.680 Oh my God.

01:49:59.900 Look at that.

01:50:00.700 70,000 increase.

01:50:03.420 Boy, oh boy.

01:50:04.160 But I like this because without being alarmist, without taking a position, the number, the chart speaks for itself almost, Steve.

01:50:14.420 Yeah.

01:50:15.300 Yeah.

01:50:15.580 No, it does.

01:50:18.460 You know, if we had more than 15 minutes of our video, you can also get the context.

01:50:22.800 It's not just the fentanyl and the deaths are growing, but they're not replacing.

01:50:27.900 It's not like people used to overdose from X and now they're overdosing from fentanyl.

01:50:33.160 The surge, you know, is about a factor of, I don't know, off the top of my head.

01:50:38.700 Let's say the surge is almost a factor of 15 in terms of total overdoses.

01:50:45.180 So it's not like, okay, people were dying for heroin and now the same number of people are dying from fentanyl.

01:50:49.920 It is clearly a crisis.

01:50:52.320 And we see the same thing, actually, with meth, huge adjectives.

01:50:57.460 I'll give you the numbers if you like.

01:50:59.120 But there is a relatively, in context, large growth also in meth and in cocaine, ironically.

01:51:06.480 And most other forms of accidental death are shrinking.

01:51:10.320 But the explosion in fentanyl and meth is really overwhelming us.

01:51:14.700 And it's, from my perspective, that I think I could say in a nonpartisan way is tragic.

01:51:21.140 Yeah.

01:51:21.760 Well, let me take a step outside of USAFacts.org for a second and ask you, as a human, as an American, why you think this is.

01:51:30.240 I mean, why you think fentanyl is going crazy and young people more and more are trying these experimental drugs.

01:51:36.640 And they're trying other drugs that they don't know have fentanyl in them.

01:51:40.440 It just seems like you, obviously, you've lived in America your whole life.

01:51:43.680 You went to college.

01:51:45.120 You came of age in a very stressful industry.

01:51:47.980 So what is it about now that's leading to those kinds of numbers, do you think?

01:51:53.780 Yeah, I'll give you, again, as a human being, not as a USAFacts person at this stage.

01:52:00.920 I think the first thing, and people don't always process this.

01:52:04.120 If you take an economics perspective, supply is easier.

01:52:08.360 The ability to get supply, whether it's fentanyl or meth, that has exploded.

01:52:16.140 And so now we sort of see more what a balance between supply and demand looks like.

01:52:22.540 So I think the supply is up is actually an important part of this.

01:52:27.900 Demand is interesting.

01:52:29.460 Are kids under more stress today?

01:52:31.820 You know, how should we think about that?

01:52:35.060 I mean, by the numbers, the rates of depression amongst young people, 18 to 25 and 25 to 34 have increased.

01:52:44.560 And they're higher than they are for older people.

01:52:48.580 But that could possibly be just people don't admit in the same way that they are depressed.

01:52:54.660 But stress slash anxiety slash depression probably drives demand against the bomber guests.

01:53:03.020 And certainly the supply of the drugs, I think, is an important aspect of the expansion.

01:53:09.620 What role do you think?

01:53:11.280 Not not Microsoft.

01:53:12.680 I know everybody always brings up the fact that you didn't think the iPhone was going to be a big seller at 700 bucks.

01:53:17.320 But I forgive you.

01:53:18.940 That's fine.

01:53:19.880 At 700 bucks, I might have been right.

01:53:22.460 But I wasn't right in terms of them getting it subsidized.

01:53:26.020 So yeah, right.

01:53:27.020 Well, that was a competitor.

01:53:27.980 Steve Jobs had an idea.

01:53:29.040 He was an eccentric character.

01:53:30.120 How are you to know?

01:53:30.740 But a lot of people think it's this device, right?

01:53:34.880 It's this device and in particular social media that's doing it with our kids.

01:53:39.540 That's making them depressed and, of course, ironically, more disconnected and lonely than ever before.

01:53:46.940 It's certainly not the way that you or I grew up.

01:53:50.960 Could be.

01:53:52.120 It could be.

01:53:53.980 Certainly the amount of time.

01:53:55.680 I mean, the numbers are clear on that.

01:53:57.360 The number of time, the amount of time that people spend.

01:54:01.540 We call it screen time in our family because it could be phone.

01:54:05.040 It could be PC.

01:54:06.020 It could be Xbox, et cetera.

01:54:08.640 But screen times are certainly up.

01:54:11.480 No question.

01:54:12.280 No question about that.

01:54:14.480 And, you know, I have not been a teenager in this environment.

01:54:19.640 But certainly all the data that I've read, again, not government data, would suggest it is a problem.

01:54:29.140 Now, I happen to be the father of three boys who just don't spend that much time on social media, ironically.

01:54:36.300 How old are they?

01:54:37.000 So now they're 32 to 25.

01:54:41.560 But when they were growing up, when they were prime in college and high school age, that's when social media, you know, completely blossomed, if you will.

01:54:49.660 And, you know, but so I haven't had as much of a personal experience on that.

01:54:59.440 And there's no good there's no data that confirms social media and depression, or at least not to my eye, confirms that connection.

01:55:08.160 All contraire.

01:55:10.800 You got to go look at the hearings with Mark Zuckerberg and Instagram and his apology to the room for what it's done, in particular, little girls.

01:55:19.540 But that's for another day.

01:55:21.460 You mentioned that you're not going to leave the vast majority of your fortune to your sons.

01:55:26.160 So can I just ask you about that? 0.98

01:55:27.740 Because successful people don't want to raise jerks for kids or ambitious-less kids. 0.98

01:55:36.260 And it's a real problem. 0.97

01:55:37.680 It could be your level of success, or it could be just a family that's making it upper middle class, and they don't want their kids to think, this is how life is.

01:55:45.600 You know, they want them to be hungrier.

01:55:47.840 Did you and your wife wrestle with that?

01:55:49.560 Because you got the same wife that you married way back years ago.

01:55:52.840 You raised your three boys.

01:55:55.040 Sounds like they're doing well.

01:55:56.460 So you raised three productive, capable humans.

01:55:59.200 So what are your thoughts on that?

01:56:02.340 I think it's something about which it takes a lot of care and thought.

01:56:06.900 And everybody gets to decide their own path on that.

01:56:12.820 Our kids will certainly be more comfortable than not.

01:56:16.880 I mean, there's no question.

01:56:18.280 Even while we're alive, they'll be more comfortable than not.

01:56:22.460 And certainly when we pass, they will.

01:56:25.620 With that said, we think if you create an expectation of getting big money when you are younger, if we create an expectation of just the way it is, at our level of wealth, it's a completely different program.

01:56:46.860 But large, to me, means in this context, large is a percentage.

01:56:51.440 How can the kids not come out right?

01:56:54.920 I mean, it's ironic that my kids all got some money when they were 25 years old.

01:56:59.860 But it's ironic.

01:57:00.800 It was money that my mom and dad left them in trust.

01:57:04.260 It was $170,000 when my parents put it away.

01:57:07.420 And it grew nicely.

01:57:09.780 But that's the money our kids have gotten.

01:57:12.320 So they've got a little bit of experience now, all of them dealing with that.

01:57:16.600 They each probably got a million dollars out of it, which is a lot, a lot of money.

01:57:21.360 But it didn't come from my wife and I.

01:57:24.640 Wow.

01:57:25.440 Well, I don't know.

01:57:26.880 I think it's very hard.

01:57:27.980 And especially when they're exposed to enormous privilege in their town, et cetera, to create that hunger.

01:57:33.880 I think maybe I'm hoping it'll happen with my kids.

01:57:37.100 But with other families I've seen, I almost might have to skip a couple of generations until they feel it again.

01:57:44.060 I'm not sure.

01:57:44.920 Although, on the other hand, it could be just an absolutely wonderful life where you are both well-adjusted, know you're loved, and have some dough in the bank.

01:57:53.260 So you don't have the sickening feeling every month at the end of it, you know, when the bills come.

01:57:59.060 Okay.

01:57:59.520 So let's go back to USA Facts, because here's something tricky that I foresee in your effort.

01:58:07.620 Eventually, politics and ideology is going to seep in in some way.

01:58:13.920 For example, crime rates.

01:58:15.460 This is a big issue right now.

01:58:17.780 Is crime falling?

01:58:19.440 Is it the lowest it's been in 50 years, as you would hear from Rachel Maddow and from some in the liberal media?

01:58:24.600 Or do we only have those numbers because they excluded the major cities, as Trump retorted at that debate, which is true.

01:58:32.020 They did exclude major cities incoming.

01:58:34.800 So how do you deal with those prickly types of considerations, Steve?

01:58:41.600 Not hard for us.

01:58:43.500 We simply report what's out there, and we document what we reported.

01:58:50.300 So we will tell you, these are the numbers that the, I think in this case it's the UCR, the FBI, as opposed to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

01:59:00.520 We will tell you, this is what we're publishing.

01:59:04.300 We will tell you what is there and what is not there.

01:59:07.640 In fact, in many of these cases, we highlight, hey, you know, the fact that you might want to actually push your legislators to make sure this gets better.

01:59:17.380 Now, we do live in a, you know, sort of a federal system of government.

01:59:22.540 And so there are some things the federal government, as it pushes to collect data, there are some things that it can incent with money local jurisdictions to do.

01:59:32.640 But ultimately, whether it's Dallas, Texas, or San Francisco, or whatever, the police departments do have some latitude in what they report.

01:59:44.500 And I think our job in our work is to note what is there, what is not there, and help put pressure on government to get better reporting done.

01:59:57.300 So, in a way, it doesn't tax us as much as you might think.

02:00:01.500 It might aggravate us. 0.77

02:00:03.100 God darn, why isn't that piece of data out there? 0.98

02:00:06.220 Shoot! 0.98

02:00:07.460 But at the same time, we can, I think, remain true to our mission in the way we present the data.

02:00:14.720 Okay, what would you have done, for example, during COVID, when we had the debate about where COVID started, or whether the vaccine worked in the way they were telling us it worked in the beginning, claiming it stopped the spread, and so on?

02:00:30.220 Like, would you have even taken that on?

02:00:33.560 Hey, I'll take COVID and the spread, okay?

02:00:36.700 Okay, and again, we don't explain causality, but we can give you a timeline, and we do it.

02:00:43.240 It's on USAFacts.org.

02:00:45.160 We'll give you deaths by period of time.

02:00:49.620 We had very good data of that down to the county level.

02:00:52.700 And we can show you, you know, when the waves of vaccines came in.

02:00:58.080 Now, people can look at that.

02:01:00.000 Some people would say, yeah, the vaccine really worked.

02:01:02.920 Some people will point to other situational factors.

02:01:08.140 You know, I personally, I'm glad I took the vaccine because I'm healthy in all ways.

02:01:15.140 It didn't hurt me, and I didn't get COVID severely, but that's a personal decision.

02:01:20.460 But taking a look at kind of what happened is important, and then deciding your own view.

02:01:26.820 The government doesn't have data that gives us an accurate view that would allow us to, you know, perfectly claim causality or not.

02:01:36.900 So we won't give that to you.

02:01:39.600 So what do you do in a situation like that where then it comes out that, I mean, eventually the mainstream started to report it too,

02:01:45.680 that the deaths were being included in the hospital stats, even if you died of a gunshot wound, but you just had COVID.

02:01:55.160 It was being counted.

02:01:56.220 You know what I mean?

02:01:56.680 Like, it gets tricky.

02:01:58.120 And I'm just bringing this stuff up because as somebody who's on the front lines of some of these battles in the political lane,

02:02:04.860 I do think it's very hard to try to do what you're doing.

02:02:09.240 Like, you're going to, at some point, you're going to get tripped up because if you just had the stats you just laid out,

02:02:16.440 I know a lot of the people in my audience would have said, you're overstating the deaths due to COVID.

02:02:22.780 You are not factoring in what has been first reported on those right-wing blogs, then denied by the mainstream,

02:02:29.280 then eventually accepted by the mainstream, then winds up in the New York Times,

02:02:33.120 then everyone left and right will say, oh, okay.

02:02:38.700 Okay.

02:02:39.380 So let me push on that.

02:02:41.340 If this was some massive top-down issue, somebody could say, hey, it's been politicized.

02:02:49.740 You're right.

02:02:51.120 Doctors do have to decide at the time of death what the sort of driving factor is, if you will, of death.

02:03:00.540 And I'm sure we have, I don't know what the political leanings are of doctors, but we're looking at-

02:03:06.700 Well, no, they were getting more money if the deaths were due to COVID.

02:03:09.260 That's why they were classifying a lot of deaths as from COVID as opposed to a gunshot.

02:03:13.700 You got a good point.

02:03:16.440 Good point.

02:03:17.600 Good point.

02:03:18.460 I'm just going to let it sit there and say, hey, you have a good point.

02:03:22.980 And we report what's out there.

02:03:26.820 But you're right.

02:03:27.860 In that case, I hadn't even thought about it.

02:03:30.220 There are financial incentives.

02:03:30.860 It's a challenge.

02:03:32.020 I'm doing to you what I did at Google and Facebook.

02:03:34.420 I'm giving you a heads up that this stuff, you should, you should make sure one of the people at USAFacts.org is a legitimate conservative who is in tune with, even if they're not pushing you to go right, that's not the point.

02:03:49.520 The point is to just have, I have a job, but to have somebody say, we need to be aware that this is a controversy and to make sure that bias doesn't come in right to our, because in other words, I'd hate to see USAFacts.org just become another one of those, you know, like fact checkers.

02:04:08.660 Like for years, we were told PolitiFact was apolitical.

02:04:11.740 Well, I saw that guy on Morning Joe this morning, hard left, ripping on Trump, saying he's, you know, all this stuff and how he's this big Democrat.

02:04:18.720 But we can't have that happen if you want USAFacts.org to stay what you want it to be.

02:04:24.400 But for example, that's why we are not fact checkers.

02:04:28.400 We are providers of context.

02:04:31.920 When you get involved in fact checking, the biggest issue that's partisan is which facts you choose to check.

02:04:40.500 If you choose to check the facts that represent your political point of view, that's certainly a partisan activity.

02:04:48.720 So we produce source material, if you will, for context.

02:04:53.880 You know, we pick topics that run the gamut of all the things in which government is involved.

02:05:01.700 Now, do we have people who really look at this with a little bit more conservative bent?

02:05:07.820 Yes, people both inside our organization and outside our organization.

02:05:15.460 Now, I think of myself, frankly, as very much a centrist.

02:05:18.640 I mean, conceptually, I think of myself as a centrist.

02:05:21.660 That means different things to different people, if you will.

02:05:24.740 But I find it not that hard for me to highlight to people how, you know, either the right and let me say truthfully, the left will look at some of our stuff and say, were we biased in the way we presented that?

02:05:41.200 So we do have some people who could do that, who do bring an opinion from the right.

02:05:48.020 And, you know, we we do our best.

02:05:51.420 And I listened to your admonition and just no, seriously, it always is something I'm glad you didn't see bias in what we produced.

02:06:01.420 But it keeps us.

02:06:02.840 And I looked.

02:06:03.820 Yeah.

02:06:04.280 No, it keeps us.

02:06:05.240 It keeps us honest to have people push us from both sides, I'll say.

02:06:09.440 Good.

02:06:10.100 All right.

02:06:10.520 I got a minute left.

02:06:11.660 Please end on this.

02:06:13.060 You are so shy.

02:06:14.600 You could barely shake hands with people when you were young.

02:06:17.240 You would hyperventilate reportedly before you went into certain public settings.

02:06:22.300 Quick primer on for kids out there on how they go from that to this.

02:06:27.680 Well, I guess three things. 0.98

02:06:29.560 Number one, build your darn confidence by getting good at something. 0.98

02:06:34.160 Number two, these problems will get better with time. 0.98

02:06:38.820 And number three, force yourself into uncomfortable situations.

02:06:42.420 When I became football team manager at Harvard, having to get up there, the manager is not a distinguished position.

02:06:48.780 You have to get up there and say, listen up, everybody.

02:06:52.020 You've got to make announcements.

02:06:53.420 Manager, sit down.

02:06:55.820 That was a comfortable position for me.

02:06:57.660 But it built my confidence in being out there in front of people.

02:07:03.480 I like that.

02:07:04.520 Put yourself in uncomfortable positions.

02:07:06.280 That's good advice for life, for business, and for personal development.

02:07:10.520 Steve Ballmer, what a pleasure to meet you.

02:07:13.320 My pleasure to meet you.

02:07:14.500 It's been a lot of fun making it.

02:07:16.360 All right.

02:07:16.720 We'll see you at the Clippers games.

02:07:18.440 And stay with it.

02:07:20.240 Go Clippers.

02:07:21.760 Go Clippers.

02:07:22.420 I know you're not a sports fan, but you get out of here, you let me know, we'll go to a game.

02:07:27.680 I will.

02:07:28.320 The arena's amazing.

02:07:29.440 And in the meantime, everybody check out USAFacts.org and let me know what you think.

02:07:34.380 We've got some sharp-eyed viewers.

02:07:36.260 You let me know if you think it's right down the middle.

02:07:38.240 I liked it.

02:07:39.220 Okay.

02:07:39.520 So tomorrow, my old pal Tucker Carlson returns to the show.

02:07:44.020 Gee, there's so much to talk about.

02:07:47.120 Wonder where we will even begin.

02:07:49.420 We'll tackle it together.

02:07:50.960 See you then.

02:07:51.380 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

02:07:55.620 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 15, 2024

New Dem ＂Enemy＂ Lie, Pandering to Black Men, and Unbiased Facts, with Josh Hammer, Delano Squires, and Steve Ballmer ｜ Ep. 917

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