The Megyn Kelly Show - January 17, 2025


New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 42 minutes

Words per Minute

182.09616

Word Count

18,580

Sentence Count

1,520

Misogynist Sentences

79

Hate Speech Sentences

30


Summary

Maureen Callahan, a columnist for The Daily Mail, joins me in the studio to talk all things Trump and the upcoming Inauguration. She also talks about her plans to attend the inaugural, and why she thinks gold is the best investment right now.


Transcript

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:42.900 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.
00:00:47.300 Here with me in the studio for the full show, one of our favorites, Maureen Callahan.
00:00:50.940 She's a columnist for The Daily Mail and I'm going to get with her in our conversation in one second.
00:00:55.180 But first, I want to bring you guys all a special announcement.
00:00:59.040 As you may know, we're going to be doing our show from Washington, D.C. on Monday,
00:01:04.140 and that's because I am going to be going to the inauguration of President Donald J. Trump
00:01:09.960 as the 47th President of the United States.
00:01:12.940 Bring in the whole fam.
00:01:14.300 We cannot wait.
00:01:15.280 And then we'll be bringing you a show on all platforms right after.
00:01:20.200 So I'll have fun in the afternoon watching the president get inaugurated, and then we will go
00:01:23.820 do a show for you so that you can hear what we saw, who we talked to, and what it means for America.
00:01:30.380 And we'll have some of our favorite guests there as well.
00:01:33.020 It's going to air on Sirius XM PM at 6 p.m. Eastern time that day, and then we'll release it on podcast and YouTube.
00:01:40.480 But before the inauguration, which, as you know, is on Monday, on Sunday, I'll be joining President-elect Trump,
00:01:49.260 Vice President-elect J.D. Vance, Elon Musk, and more, speaking at the president's final rally.
00:01:56.640 It's his pre-inauguration rally.
00:01:58.100 He loves the rallies, right?
00:01:59.460 He doesn't have to have a rally.
00:02:00.520 He won, right?
00:02:01.440 But he loves interacting with his voters and his fans and the American people.
00:02:06.860 So they asked me to appear.
00:02:08.480 It's my honor to do it.
00:02:09.540 And I'd love to hear from you on what you'd like to hear me talk about.
00:02:14.340 They give you, like, around eight minutes.
00:02:16.680 It's not a ton of time.
00:02:18.240 And I'd love to hear what you would be interested in, right?
00:02:22.160 Because it is an opportunity to take the message to some people who don't always hear us talk, right?
00:02:27.380 Because the news media will have to take some of these speeches.
00:02:29.320 And then we'll take you behind the scenes all weekend on our social accounts, you know,
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00:02:40.660 I'm not, I don't actually think it's going away, even though the Supreme Court ruled against TikTok,
00:02:46.140 like, in favor of the ban.
00:02:47.380 In any event, it's going to be a historic event, historic long weekend,
00:02:50.720 and I am super excited to bring it all to you.
00:02:53.900 All right, now let's get to Maureen.
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00:04:00.300 So that's exciting, the inauguration.
00:04:03.000 It's very exciting.
00:04:03.560 It's very exciting.
00:04:04.580 And you just shared with me that it's moved indoors.
00:04:07.300 I can't believe it.
00:04:08.560 I mean, the ABC News is citing, based on a source, a report that it's moving indoors,
00:04:13.900 which I don't know if it's true, but if it's true, and please God, let it be true.
00:04:18.120 Praise Jesus, Maureen, because it's going to be 10 degrees on Monday.
00:04:22.060 And that's not the feels like, you know, when you go on your phone and you're like,
00:04:24.540 check the feels like for the real thing.
00:04:26.260 No.
00:04:26.440 And it would be, I don't think that's ever happened before, right?
00:04:29.300 No.
00:04:29.700 And they're telling you to get there no later than 8 a.m. for a noon inauguration.
00:04:34.860 And then that goes for an hour.
00:04:36.200 And then there's the parade afterward.
00:04:38.300 Like, I am such a wuss on the cold.
00:04:40.340 I've got that Raynaud's, you know, where you don't get the circulation on the ends of your
00:04:43.680 fingers.
00:04:44.320 Yes.
00:04:44.640 I can't last 10 minutes, nevermind six hours out there.
00:04:48.360 No.
00:04:48.980 So I really hope it's true.
00:04:51.160 We've got to get like a Jackie O fur muff.
00:04:53.400 Yes.
00:04:54.560 I got to tell you, I'm in favor of the fur.
00:04:58.040 I know PETA is going to yell at me.
00:04:59.220 PETA sends me a letter every week.
00:05:00.760 I said, I only eat the non-cute animals like chickens.
00:05:03.920 And they sent me a whole letter explaining why chickens are cute.
00:05:06.360 I called somebody a pig and they sent me a whole letter saying it's not, that's impolite
00:05:12.180 to pigs.
00:05:12.800 But pigs are smart, right?
00:05:14.820 They have no sense of humor.
00:05:16.300 They're not going to like my jacket that I'm wearing.
00:05:18.400 Well, you just, the trick is you say it's vintage, buy vintage, came to you through a
00:05:24.000 dead family member.
00:05:25.380 You're recycling, you're upcycling.
00:05:28.060 Right.
00:05:28.580 Yeah.
00:05:28.840 This one already gave its life.
00:05:30.440 What are you going to do?
00:05:31.320 Can't let it be in vain.
00:05:32.620 Exactly.
00:05:32.920 You know, but it is funny because like when I was at Fox, you would never wear fur.
00:05:37.520 You wouldn't, you wouldn't be allowed to wear fur in a, in a neck thing, in a, in a puff,
00:05:43.140 in a hat.
00:05:43.700 No, because it is so controversial still, or it was.
00:05:46.820 Now I feel like you've got the two sons of the president are big game hunters for God's
00:05:51.980 sake.
00:05:52.180 I don't think it's as controversial in that circle.
00:05:54.360 I don't.
00:05:54.680 And you know what the actual truth of it is?
00:05:57.180 And I learned this a long time ago.
00:05:58.700 If you go to buy fake fur, quote unquote fake fur, often it's made from real fur.
00:06:04.140 Oh really?
00:06:04.760 And the manufacturers just tried to sort of dupe you into thinking you're not wearing real
00:06:09.640 fur, but nothing gets, nothing will get through real fur.
00:06:13.480 You won't feel it.
00:06:14.440 I'm at the top of the food chain.
00:06:16.020 I'm sorry, but like what, where, why is it okay to eat animals?
00:06:20.620 You know, cows and lambs and ducks and chickens and pigs, but then you can't wear a fur.
00:06:27.960 I like, I realized some of the, the fur making process is controversial, but so is the, the
00:06:32.960 process of killing the animals.
00:06:34.720 100%.
00:06:35.160 So really cold.
00:06:37.300 Well, listen, I don't think he needs to justify this to anybody.
00:06:39.840 I really don't.
00:06:40.640 Apparently I do.
00:06:41.660 Be like Meghan Markle, stand in your power, stand in your truth and just go with it.
00:06:47.820 We'll listen to this.
00:06:49.180 It's true.
00:06:51.100 Trump just tweeted it out.
00:06:52.980 Trump says it was his call to move it indoors.
00:06:55.640 This is from true social.
00:06:57.260 Um, I didn't see the beginning of the post.
00:06:58.840 We must be talking about how cold it is.
00:07:00.480 Therefore I have ordered the inauguration address in addition to prayers and other speeches
00:07:04.960 to be delivered in the United States Capitol rotunda as was used by Ronald Reagan in 1985.
00:07:11.580 Also because of very cold weather.
00:07:13.260 Can we pull a video or a picture of that?
00:07:14.900 You guys, so we can see what that's going to look like.
00:07:16.240 We will open Capitol one arena on Monday.
00:07:20.920 Okay.
00:07:21.300 Look, that's the Reagan.
00:07:23.000 Well, so it's smaller.
00:07:24.100 I don't know how many people, how many people fit in the Capitol, uh, rotunda.
00:07:27.540 Steve, can you look that up?
00:07:30.020 And we're going to look it up so we can tell you, cause that's, that's going to shift events,
00:07:33.080 but it's smart.
00:07:34.240 Honestly, it was going to be dangerous.
00:07:36.400 He goes on.
00:07:37.000 We will open Capitol one arena on Monday for live viewing.
00:07:40.700 Oh, good.
00:07:41.160 Of this historic event and to host the presidential parade.
00:07:44.380 I will join the crowd at Capitol one.
00:07:46.640 Oh, that's so nice.
00:07:47.700 After my swearing in.
00:07:49.080 So he's going to go over with all the people who are traveling in to see it.
00:07:53.220 Yeah.
00:07:53.420 And the man loves being with the American people.
00:07:57.620 He really does feed off that energy.
00:07:59.500 He really does.
00:08:00.160 And it's like, it's also what a great, because we were just talking before going on air that
00:08:04.200 like, I'm going to cover it with like the regular rank and file press corps.
00:08:08.760 And I was dreading being on that riser in that freezing cold weather.
00:08:12.820 It's such a commonsensical thing to do.
00:08:15.620 And it sort of sets the tone for this like incoming administration, which is people just
00:08:20.020 want common sense to rule the day, you know?
00:08:23.880 That's a good point.
00:08:24.200 I know.
00:08:24.460 Because it's truly like being outside for six hours in 10 degree weather, people with
00:08:30.080 their young children, you know, you're just asking for negative things to happen, bad
00:08:35.140 things to happen.
00:08:36.040 It's not everybody.
00:08:36.860 It doesn't matter how many layers you bring.
00:08:38.140 And by the way, there's zero chance the Secret Service would allow space heaters.
00:08:42.440 Usually they don't allow bags bigger than, you know, a tiny little handbag.
00:08:46.480 So the thought of bringing something that could heat you up, like, forget it.
00:08:50.500 It's, and I don't even know if they would allow like a heated battery powered vest because
00:08:54.360 they're so paranoid, understandably, about, you know, what could that be something else?
00:08:59.960 Yeah.
00:09:00.320 What else?
00:09:01.140 So anyway, it wasn't safe.
00:09:02.780 Good call.
00:09:03.740 And I hope I'm still going.
00:09:05.540 I hope I'm still invited.
00:09:07.260 I'll go to the Capitol to read it if I have to.
00:09:09.160 I'm watching this thing.
00:09:11.260 Okay.
00:09:11.740 Where to begin?
00:09:12.660 Let's talk about the explosive New York times piece on Joe Biden and the effort to
00:09:18.620 coup him.
00:09:20.140 Okay.
00:09:20.620 You have to fill me in.
00:09:21.560 I did not see this piece.
00:09:22.380 That's fine.
00:09:22.800 So Chuck Schumer is now coming out.
00:09:25.700 Let me start out with this a little, little walk down memory lane.
00:09:28.400 When this past summer at the RNC in Milwaukee, the gang from ruthless came on the program,
00:09:34.520 my program.
00:09:35.940 And, um, they said, we're just going to break this news because everyone's talking about
00:09:41.140 it in our, like, you know, political circles, but no one will report it.
00:09:45.500 And this is what happened.
00:09:47.260 Chuck.
00:09:47.740 Yeah.
00:09:48.000 Well, I mean, so look, I, I think knowing Schumer, we have speculate what he does, but
00:09:52.440 I'm sure that he had poll numbers and all kinds of things indicating it was a huge problem
00:09:55.840 for the party down ballot, obviously.
00:09:57.540 And this is the moment, right?
00:09:58.480 Biden said, I'll resign if somebody shows me that I can't win.
00:10:00.940 So he goes in with polls.
00:10:01.720 So I think he took advantage of it and had this conversation, ultimately didn't get the answer
00:10:06.600 that he wanted.
00:10:07.180 When he came out of the meeting, he said, good meeting, which to me immediately was a
00:10:11.680 huge sign, right?
00:10:12.600 If you're meeting with a nominee of your party a hundred days before an election and you don't
00:10:17.240 say, I fully support Joe Biden.
00:10:19.360 And you know, he's twisting in the wind.
00:10:20.500 Yeah.
00:10:20.900 I fully support him.
00:10:22.020 Our conference supports him.
00:10:23.140 We can't wait to vote for him in November.
00:10:24.960 Something short of that indicates there's something else that happened.
00:10:27.900 And then what we found out when we got to Milwaukee, it's the worst kept secret.
00:10:31.980 Every single journalist, whether it's, you know, you name the publication, we've talked to
00:10:35.700 him over the last few days, every single person knows exactly what happened, but they asked
00:10:39.600 Chuck Schumer and it's a one-on-one meeting and he denies it.
00:10:42.600 So they're not reporting.
00:10:45.120 So there was a meeting and now it's all over.
00:10:48.280 The Times admitting Schumer did go to see Biden in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, when he was still
00:10:54.120 hanging on.
00:10:55.200 He wouldn't yet step down.
00:10:56.560 And the headline in the New York Times is, I'm urging you not to run, how Schumer pushed
00:11:01.280 Biden to drop out.
00:11:03.120 It says, this is based on an interview with half a dozen people who participated in that
00:11:06.600 private push.
00:11:08.040 It's from an upcoming book called Madhouse.
00:11:11.580 Senator Chuck Schumer of New York sat in the foyer of President Biden's Rehoboth Beach
00:11:15.140 house, tired and tense.
00:11:17.160 He had not slept the night before and on the four hour drive from Brooklyn to Delaware,
00:11:22.480 he had rehearsed out loud what he planned to say and reviewing note cards as he prepared
00:11:26.720 for what he thought might be the most high stakes speech he would ever give to an audience
00:11:31.420 of one.
00:11:32.560 The roughly 45 minute conversation, which took place in a screened in porch overlooking
00:11:36.380 a pond, was more pointed and emotional than previously known.
00:11:40.600 He said to him, if you run and lose to Trump and we lose the Senate and we don't get back
00:11:45.620 the house, that 50 years of amazing, beautiful work goes out the window.
00:11:50.300 P.S.
00:11:50.560 That's what happened.
00:11:51.840 But worse, you go down in American history as one of the darkest figures.
00:11:56.980 He would end with a directive.
00:11:58.720 If I were you, I would not run.
00:12:01.240 And I'm urging you not to run.
00:12:04.280 He says, Mr. President, you're not getting the information as to what the chances are.
00:12:09.760 When he asked whether Mr. Biden has talked to his pollsters about his chances of winning,
00:12:13.320 the president shook his head.
00:12:14.300 Schumer says, well, I have talked to them.
00:12:17.560 My guess is you have about a 5% chance.
00:12:20.620 None of your pollsters disagree with me.
00:12:23.300 Only twice did Mr. Biden interrupt to ask a question.
00:12:26.380 And both times it was, do you really think Kamala can win?
00:12:31.460 Mr. Schumer said he didn't know, but that she had a far better chance.
00:12:36.240 The two embraces Mr. Schumer headed back to the car where he broke down in tears as he recounted
00:12:41.220 the meeting to his aides.
00:12:42.040 He didn't know what Mr. Biden would end up doing, he told him, but he felt he had gotten
00:12:46.300 through to him.
00:12:47.760 How about that?
00:12:49.040 By the way, they also report that Obama went to Schumer and said, you have to do it.
00:12:52.560 He's not going to listen to me.
00:12:54.560 He doesn't because of our fragile relationship, admitting they don't like each other.
00:12:59.400 The most surprising thing in that account to me is the detail that Schumer was driven and
00:13:05.180 did not fly private like so many of our politicians do.
00:13:09.080 I would suspect that that conversation was even more pointed.
00:13:12.920 That to me feels like a very polite version because it's easy to forget.
00:13:17.120 It wasn't all that long ago how stubbornly Biden was hanging on.
00:13:21.580 And I really believe that whether it was Schumer, Pelosi, the both of them basically said, we're
00:13:29.460 going to bury you.
00:13:30.380 Yes.
00:13:30.980 We know where the bodies are buried.
00:13:32.640 Like it's going to get very ugly if you don't voluntarily pull the plug you have until date
00:13:40.020 certain to do so.
00:13:41.300 That's what I think went down.
00:13:42.300 Like I, I'm dying to read the really bloody, savage Roman empire version of this.
00:13:48.820 Well, they also report that, um, Chuck Schumer demanded the meeting.
00:13:53.100 Yes.
00:13:53.360 Because Obama asked him to do it and said, I can't be the one.
00:13:56.140 He's not going to listen to me.
00:13:57.320 Um, because his members in the Senate, he, he said, quote, I cannot hold them back anymore.
00:14:03.400 Remember when Biden sent that letter?
00:14:05.640 I think it was January 8th.
00:14:06.740 They dated it as saying it's, it's done.
00:14:09.040 Stop.
00:14:09.540 It was a bad night.
00:14:10.500 July, July 8th.
00:14:11.320 It was like, it's done.
00:14:12.560 Move, move on.
00:14:13.480 I'm fine.
00:14:14.080 I'm staying in it.
00:14:14.880 Like put on your big girl pants.
00:14:16.580 We're going forward.
00:14:17.660 And he kind of declared the debate over.
00:14:20.220 Well, this is saying that behind the scenes, the, it wasn't over.
00:14:24.920 And it, the, the top senators were in a tailspin understanding that he couldn't do it.
00:14:31.500 And they were about to write a letter saying that he needed to step down and that Schumer
00:14:36.980 was saying to Biden, like, you don't want that there.
00:14:40.440 They're going to come out on Moss against you, Democrat senators.
00:14:44.440 And they also reported that Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island in the news this week for
00:14:48.840 being the top damn cross-examining Pete Hegseth on the Senate, uh, armed services committee.
00:14:54.540 Remember, he was the one who was like, I voted for all the nominees and of every president
00:14:59.980 since I've been on, uh, this, this committee, you know, 20 years ago.
00:15:04.540 And I don't think that you can do it.
00:15:06.880 Mr. Hegseth.
00:15:07.420 He was, he was the worst white mic technique ever.
00:15:11.160 Like right when he got into all the juicy parts, he pulled way back.
00:15:15.060 And we were all like, what?
00:15:16.560 But I'm sure Hegseth was happy.
00:15:18.580 So anyway, um, Jack Reed, who, um, is a West Point grad, former paratrooper, apparently said
00:15:26.420 he could no longer support his commander in chief unless Mr. Biden could produce two neurologists
00:15:32.620 to issue a public report saying he was fit to serve and then hold a news conference where
00:15:37.780 anyone could ask questions.
00:15:39.280 Where were these effing reports at the time?
00:15:45.300 Nevermind before the June debate.
00:15:47.820 Agreed.
00:15:48.340 Agreed.
00:15:48.900 And also, so two things.
00:15:50.420 One, I want the Jill Biden story.
00:15:52.800 I want the full unabridged Kitty Kelly National Enquirer version of all the machinations going on.
00:16:00.460 I want to know why we are now being subject by this very same media that claims to have learned
00:16:08.320 its lesson to the longest goodbye in modern American history to one of the worst presidents.
00:16:14.540 Like this feels like the breakup that will not end.
00:16:17.820 Like America broke up with him after that debate.
00:16:20.720 And then we made it really final after the election, which really was like Biden 2.0 with
00:16:26.960 Harris.
00:16:27.340 Like I forgot it was Harris actually, because I keep thinking like we left you.
00:16:32.680 We don't want to litigate this relationship anymore.
00:16:36.160 There's not good stuff.
00:16:37.400 But he's still out there trying to make his closing argument about how great he was and
00:16:40.840 how what a threat Donald Trump is.
00:16:43.100 I mean, what I do think is interesting, too, about this is it does confirm Biden's got some
00:16:48.040 political instincts asking twice, do you really think Kamala can win?
00:16:53.240 He knew he couldn't admit to himself that he was going to lose given his infirmity.
00:16:58.880 But at some level, he still knew she's not the answer.
00:17:03.980 And, you know, reportedly Obama knew that, too.
00:17:07.420 It's like, where's the in-depth piece on like who ultimately said it must be her?
00:17:13.760 Like she's it's got to be Kamala because of the black women in our party, whatever.
00:17:19.480 Like, how did they allow themselves to get in that position?
00:17:22.100 First of all, right.
00:17:23.460 If you don't think she can do the job, why are you picking her for your VP?
00:17:27.260 Right.
00:17:27.500 So insurance policy.
00:17:28.640 Exactly.
00:17:29.220 His insurance policy.
00:17:30.420 And it's also it goes to why DEI is falling apart all over the place right now.
00:17:34.100 Yeah.
00:17:34.260 And secondly, what I remember Pelosi saying, because remember when she was doing the rounds
00:17:39.760 and she was going, well, if Joe thinks she's the best, then she's the best.
00:17:44.580 She's the best choice.
00:17:45.600 Like she wouldn't say it.
00:17:46.420 Nancy Pelosi with like her her her whole sort of like it's really time to go.
00:17:52.540 Every time I see her interview, she's got like a dirty tissue clunk in her hands.
00:17:57.700 Like, you know what I mean?
00:17:58.840 It's like, just go.
00:17:59.820 Just go.
00:18:01.380 Don't get go.
00:18:02.200 Don't get Feinstein'd out of office.
00:18:03.660 It's where we can see with the eye and the wheelchair.
00:18:06.120 And it's just have some dignity.
00:18:07.540 Have some dignity.
00:18:08.740 But to the Kamala thing, what I remember Pelosi saying was like, oh, she's smarter than you
00:18:14.980 think because she spent that Sunday in which she told the American people her first question
00:18:20.120 to Joe when he called was, are you sure?
00:18:22.420 Are you sure you're going to drop out?
00:18:24.180 She hung up the phone and she started whipping calls.
00:18:26.520 Yeah.
00:18:26.780 Whipping calls and getting the party right behind her.
00:18:29.560 She got him to endorse her.
00:18:32.140 Remember his announcement?
00:18:33.060 I'm leaving came.
00:18:34.200 And then within five minutes came the, oh, and I endorsed Kamala, which I think most
00:18:38.920 Democrats would tell you is what did it, that they couldn't have an open primary after Joe
00:18:43.180 Biden's like, I endorse Kamala.
00:18:45.100 That would have been a little awkward.
00:18:46.680 So why?
00:18:47.580 How did she get him to do it?
00:18:49.160 How did she get Joe Biden, who clearly did not believe in her, to issue that?
00:18:53.720 I don't know.
00:18:54.000 Maybe she hung over his head like, I know how mentally compromised you've been all this
00:18:59.660 time.
00:19:00.020 You know, again, she knows where a lot of those bodies are buried as well.
00:19:04.480 And she, I think, also knew that in this sort of strategic warfare that is this game, it
00:19:11.680 would be Biden's ultimate F you to Obama, who never thought Biden had what it took in the
00:19:16.620 first place.
00:19:17.180 I just feel like you're right.
00:19:19.520 We need to know, how is it that Jill Biden somehow didn't see what all these senators
00:19:25.160 saw?
00:19:26.180 Why?
00:19:26.880 Who else demanded that two neurologists evaluate her and release their report?
00:19:32.580 Right.
00:19:33.060 And when did they know?
00:19:34.960 Because it wasn't just that debate.
00:19:36.260 It's they've totally gotten away with it.
00:19:38.420 They've Trump won, but there's been no accountability in there and there won't be.
00:19:42.620 And the same media, you know, who failed to notice that a neurologist came to the White House
00:19:46.500 eight to 10 times over the previous year, didn't break this story.
00:19:51.220 They didn't even break the fact that Chuck Schumer met with Biden.
00:19:55.640 Ruthless broke that.
00:19:57.200 Now, here we are as he's about to leave office.
00:19:59.800 Right.
00:19:59.980 It's too late to to 25th Amendment him out of office.
00:20:03.400 He's about to leave.
00:20:04.400 Now, finally, we get the we all knew that he can't put two sentences together.
00:20:09.100 We were demanding neurology reports behind the scenes.
00:20:12.480 It's the biggest political story of the last 20 years, I think.
00:20:16.840 I really do.
00:20:17.780 And I don't understand how, as a reporter, you could just shy away from it.
00:20:22.620 I mean, again, if this were a Republican, I mean, all the gloves would be off.
00:20:27.780 You know, he would have been 25th Amendmented or forced to resign.
00:20:31.940 And the whole thing, too, about letting him play out his term as though, well, we owe it to him.
00:20:37.620 I know.
00:20:38.080 I'm sorry.
00:20:38.660 He works for us.
00:20:39.660 Right.
00:20:39.960 It's not the other way around.
00:20:41.220 We don't owe him anything.
00:20:42.300 We don't owe him anything.
00:20:43.880 You got all the money from selling out, you know, national security.
00:20:49.520 We have the book.
00:20:50.140 This is how this is how much, though, I think people have Biden fatigue, like those photos
00:20:55.080 that came out of Biden and Hunter with those Chinese businessmen where he had said multiple
00:21:00.460 times, I never facilitated a meeting.
00:21:02.360 I was never present at a meeting.
00:21:04.000 But like nobody cares.
00:21:05.580 It's just like, just go.
00:21:06.780 Right.
00:21:07.160 Take your dirty money and your dirty family and go.
00:21:10.340 Yes.
00:21:10.760 Well, that's what I don't know if you saw this, but Scott Jennings was on CNN yesterday
00:21:14.100 asking, I wasn't Scott Jennings saying, how did he get rich?
00:21:17.660 So who was it?
00:21:18.340 It was somebody on CNN saying it was Kevin O'Leary.
00:21:21.560 Yeah.
00:21:21.880 From from Shark Tank saying, how how does where did all of his money come from?
00:21:27.560 The guys here, we have it.
00:21:28.780 Actually, let's watch it.
00:21:30.020 It's not about Kevin.
00:21:31.160 It's not about not letting people get rich.
00:21:33.540 It's about not letting rich people control the political process and not having our politicians
00:21:37.740 captured by those rich people.
00:21:39.240 Such as they can't institute regulations and common sense laws to make sure that the people
00:21:45.180 at the top don't abuse the people at the bottom.
00:21:47.940 I mean, our system in Washington is broken.
00:21:50.040 That's fair.
00:21:50.720 It's all fair.
00:21:51.360 But half the country's still wondering how Joe Biden got rich.
00:21:53.840 Yeah.
00:21:54.140 OK, so how did he get rich?
00:21:55.620 If Joe Biden got rich, how did he get rich?
00:21:58.760 Does anybody understand how the house house in time is rich?
00:22:00.980 Kevin, your question about Joe Biden's legacy and how he will be seen is actually extremely
00:22:05.900 important.
00:22:06.340 And yeah, and it's not going to turn out the way Abby Phillip wants it to.
00:22:11.260 So how did he get rich?
00:22:12.620 Does anybody know how he has the Porsche and the Rehoboth Beach Beach House and Hunter Biden
00:22:19.520 has all these millions from never really having any sort of successful career?
00:22:24.480 Um, no one seems to much care on the Dem side.
00:22:28.260 Nobody cares.
00:22:28.860 The vintage Corvette that Biden loves to brag about the when the fires were raging.
00:22:35.100 I mean, they're still ongoing.
00:22:36.280 But when they were raging and Biden finally showed his face and said, I've got one piece
00:22:41.460 of good news.
00:22:42.420 You know, my son lives here and looks like his house is still standing like, oh, you mean
00:22:46.160 that like Malibu beachfront house that like his sugar daddy paid for?
00:22:52.160 Like, are you kidding me?
00:22:53.660 I mean, I would love to also know how Nancy Pelosi got so rich.
00:22:57.440 Well, did you see it?
00:22:58.000 So Biden, one of the comments he made in his farewell address was about stopping, uh, trading
00:23:02.640 from U S congressmen.
00:23:04.400 And many have speculated that was a shot at her, you know, cause obviously she was the
00:23:08.220 one who really took him down with her public pronouncements of let's just let wait, give
00:23:11.920 him time to decide after he'd said 10 ways from Sunday, I'm staying right.
00:23:16.100 Um, so I actually agree with that principle.
00:23:18.500 I don't understand how these people can have inside information about what's going to happen
00:23:21.720 on the law and to the certain companies and they're allowed to trade on it.
00:23:24.280 That is called insider trading.
00:23:25.740 If you were, I'd do it here was Biden last night.
00:23:29.320 It's the long goodbye to your point.
00:23:31.060 And he sat after his farewell address.
00:23:33.120 There was another address.
00:23:34.140 This was like the dessert, um, with Lawrence O'Donnell.
00:23:38.180 I can't wait to see what the ratings were for this.
00:23:40.100 And okay, here's, here's why Biden thinks he's leaving with a record low approval rating,
00:23:47.840 right?
00:23:48.240 That wasn't how it was teed up, but he does FYI have a record low approval rating.
00:23:52.320 And the, here's how he's looking back at his, as his term in office and the regrets that
00:23:57.900 he he's feeling.
00:23:59.400 This is a side two.
00:24:01.700 Did it cross your mind to put your name on the checks?
00:24:04.400 According to that, I kept being here from other people.
00:24:09.320 President sent me a check for $7,500.
00:24:12.200 The president did it.
00:24:13.820 Why aren't you helping me?
00:24:14.800 Well, it was a bill we did, but anyway, it did cross my mind.
00:24:19.400 But what a, what a mistake we made was, I think I made, was not getting our allies to acknowledge
00:24:31.140 that the Democrats did this.
00:24:34.640 Ironically, I almost spent too much time on the policy and not enough time on the politics.
00:24:44.380 That was his problem.
00:24:46.040 He wasn't self-promotional enough.
00:24:48.640 Well, he did only have four hours a day that he was working.
00:24:51.140 That's just true.
00:24:52.320 That's in his defense.
00:24:53.920 So, I mean, we got to give him some grace.
00:24:55.720 Can you imagine if you'd been doing that interview and responded with that?
00:25:01.140 I just wish, for one, someone would just give it right back.
00:25:04.960 Like, this is related, and then we'll go right back to this.
00:25:07.680 But the other day at the Hegseth hearing, and you covered this, when the, I forget which
00:25:12.500 congressman or senator said, hey, how many of you have shown up on the floor drunk to
00:25:18.520 cast a vote?
00:25:19.140 Like, while they're going on with, like, have you cheated on your wife?
00:25:22.200 Like, how many of them are cheating on, like, it's a bastion of moral authority.
00:25:25.620 Get the F out of here.
00:25:26.840 So, anyway, the Lawrence O'Donnell interview was also, he's such a blowhard.
00:25:31.700 He's such an insufferable, overfed blowhard.
00:25:35.380 Like, he begins the interview by saying, you know, when you were giving your farewell address
00:25:40.220 the other night from the Oval, I was right there.
00:25:42.560 I was sitting right there with your family, and I was looking at you.
00:25:45.460 Like, he has to let us know he was in the room before we can begin with this bullshit
00:25:49.360 proceeding.
00:25:50.300 You're very important, Larry.
00:25:51.080 Thank you.
00:25:51.340 You're so important.
00:25:52.220 You're on your way out the door.
00:25:53.280 Your network is failing.
00:25:54.900 Great.
00:25:55.220 Okay, enjoy your time in the sun.
00:25:57.480 But it really goes, like, Biden is part Irish or largely Irish, and it's, like, completely
00:26:03.640 counter to the notion of the Irish goodbye.
00:26:06.400 Yes.
00:26:06.740 Which is, like, my favorite thing to do, which is, like, you just sneak out.
00:26:10.440 Nobody knows you left.
00:26:11.580 You don't have to go through the whole rigmarole of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:15.000 And I would love that for him.
00:26:17.160 It would be such a great look.
00:26:18.380 Just fade away.
00:26:19.720 Right.
00:26:20.200 Like, we've asked you to.
00:26:20.980 It's funny.
00:26:21.260 We have a friend who does it all wrong where he's like, I'm doing the Irish goodbye.
00:26:25.700 That's not it.
00:26:26.980 If you say it.
00:26:28.540 It's not it.
00:26:29.380 That's not it at all.
00:26:30.900 Here's more.
00:26:32.320 You remember one of his other big things the other night when he gave his farewell address
00:26:35.300 was we have this tech oligarchy in this country now.
00:26:39.500 It's a very dangerous thing for all sorts of reasons, mostly because they're supporting
00:26:43.360 Trump now.
00:26:44.520 But Lawrence O'Donnell asks him about oligarchy, and he does not appear to have any idea what
00:26:51.820 it was he was talking about.
00:26:53.280 Watch.
00:26:54.400 How does this oligarchy affect people out there who've never used the word oligarchy?
00:27:01.900 The people who you're saying might not get a fair shot because of the way this is going.
00:27:06.300 Look, if the decisions made that the multi-billionaires, the super, super wealthy, the wealthiest people
00:27:21.080 in the world, begin to control all the apparatuses from the media to the economy, then who do
00:27:31.740 I get to fight back for me?
00:27:34.540 Who do I get to?
00:27:35.500 I mean, look, I think everybody deserves just a shot.
00:27:40.980 Not a guarantee, just a shot.
00:27:43.440 How the hell can you make it in society today if you don't have access to an education?
00:27:50.760 You don't have access to adequate health care.
00:27:53.260 You don't have access to the opportunity to have a job that you can handle, where you can make ends meet.
00:28:03.260 How's that Elon Musk's fault?
00:28:05.500 If you have a job you can't handle, like Biden can't literally handle being president,
00:28:10.900 the hypocrisy, okay?
00:28:14.420 So it was Biden's administration that went to Facebook and said,
00:28:20.620 that laptop, Hunter laptop, that's a Russian plant.
00:28:23.620 It's fake news.
00:28:25.280 They're the ones.
00:28:26.360 Twitter disabled the New York Post account because the Post was the only one reporting on it.
00:28:31.800 And it was fake news, fake news, fake news.
00:28:33.580 It's a media that's been in lockstep with him and has been censoring stuff that they don't quite like.
00:28:39.860 You know, so spare me.
00:28:41.660 Yeah, spare me.
00:28:42.320 Is this because Mark Zuckerberg grew his hair out and said he's getting rid of DEI and censorship?
00:28:46.440 That's what he's, and now he's part of the oligarchy?
00:28:48.820 Right.
00:28:49.280 That keeps the little man down and from getting a job?
00:28:52.040 Right.
00:28:52.240 Like, what?
00:28:52.620 Right.
00:28:53.100 No.
00:28:53.560 Oh, Megan, the searching.
00:28:55.480 What?
00:28:55.620 Like, he was, like, nodding off.
00:28:56.940 Yes.
00:28:57.120 It's almost like a junkie, like, nodding off and then, like, springing back up and, like,
00:29:01.360 the eyes casting about for the word and then the, like, phrase that connects to the thought,
00:29:06.660 but the thought got lost.
00:29:07.840 I mean, it's like...
00:29:08.520 He found, like, his favorite little bit.
00:29:10.240 Like, everyone deserves a shot.
00:29:11.520 Oh, yeah, I'm familiar with this.
00:29:12.600 This is in there.
00:29:13.320 Right.
00:29:13.820 I've got the chip for this one.
00:29:14.880 Right.
00:29:15.380 By the way, Kamala Harris just did the same thing.
00:29:17.120 I'll play it in a minute, but let's stick with Biden for now.
00:29:19.200 Because listen to this one.
00:29:20.220 Speaking of him just being out there, like, gone, the question was about what Bo, his son
00:29:26.620 who is deceased, would say to him, and would you listen to this?
00:29:33.480 Look, Bo is a better man than I am.
00:29:39.560 Well, Bo and Hunter have always had faith in my instincts, but I think you've heard Barack
00:29:55.220 get mad at me when I was a kid all the time.
00:29:57.100 He said, I know, I know, all politics is personal.
00:29:59.800 Yeah.
00:29:59.980 Well, it's about understanding what motivates the other guy, other woman, and what their
00:30:09.740 interests are.
00:30:13.260 What?
00:30:13.780 I don't understand that.
00:30:14.840 I don't understand.
00:30:15.360 I thought maybe you got it, because I got lost early on.
00:30:18.760 I have nothing to add.
00:30:20.600 I can't be helpful.
00:30:21.760 Did he say, like, Barack used to say to me when I was a kid?
00:30:24.860 That's how it sounded.
00:30:25.680 Did I think he meant, I used to kid, I used to kid, or he used to kid me?
00:30:30.720 I, very unclear.
00:30:32.540 And he also spoke about Bo in the present tense, right there.
00:30:36.380 I mean...
00:30:37.360 I blame Jill Biden.
00:30:38.680 I blame her.
00:30:39.940 You do?
00:30:40.440 Yeah.
00:30:40.980 I would never let this happen to my husband.
00:30:42.520 Oh, for this?
00:30:43.280 For this, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:44.720 But neither one of them can let go.
00:30:46.480 Yeah, but at least he's got the excuse of being infirm.
00:30:49.200 Like, she's still a young woman-ish.
00:30:50.740 She's not young, but, like, she's 74, I think.
00:30:52.360 She's 74, but I also...
00:30:53.720 She's together.
00:30:54.100 She can see what's happening.
00:30:55.860 Oh, 100%.
00:30:56.660 But I also would not rule out Biden's malignant narcissism and egotism.
00:31:02.040 And I think, you know, this will sound crass, but I truly think it's true.
00:31:07.080 The only thing keeping him alive at this point is presidential power.
00:31:10.760 Yeah.
00:31:11.180 And access to the money and the celebrities and all of it.
00:31:16.120 And the glory he gets from reading the news coverage of his administration, which mirrors
00:31:21.540 back to him, it's exactly why, like, he wasn't believing Chuck Schumer, because apparently
00:31:26.180 his team was only supposed to give him good news.
00:31:29.320 Yeah.
00:31:29.680 They kept all the bad polling from him.
00:31:31.440 It's like, even in the wake of that debate, that was a dereliction.
00:31:34.120 But the Democrats paid a very high price for that dereliction.
00:31:37.120 Can we play that Kamala Harris soundbite, you guys, where she goes back to her standard
00:31:41.320 words that we heard throughout the campaign?
00:31:43.940 She's speaking out now, promising she's not going to go quietly.
00:31:47.320 So that's interesting.
00:31:48.020 And of course, she too only has, like, she's uncomfortable until she finds the chip in her
00:31:53.920 brain with the pre-rehearsed lines that her handlers have approved.
00:31:57.460 Here it is.
00:31:58.400 I am fully aware that I am the public face of a lot of our work.
00:32:03.600 And so I have the benefit of running into people all over our country who thank me.
00:32:08.960 And I will tell you, I am fully aware that when they are thanking me, they are thanking
00:32:14.900 our team for the extraordinary commitment that you each have and as a team have to lifting
00:32:23.440 up the American people, lifting up their condition, lifting up their hopes and dreams and understanding
00:32:32.700 She did it all the nobility of public service.
00:32:39.500 The hand gestures are getting even bigger.
00:32:41.700 They are.
00:32:42.220 She looks like she's signing ASL, like some press conference for a governor, you know, like get out.
00:32:47.460 And by the way, it's not like you would ever know that a major American city is being burned to the ground.
00:32:54.480 Like, it looks like it's been hit by a nuclear bomb.
00:32:57.200 Yeah.
00:32:57.440 You would never know.
00:32:58.420 No.
00:32:58.680 These people are, like, congratulating themselves on the way out the door.
00:33:01.520 No, look at me and my legacy, but I just should have focused more on politics, not my great
00:33:05.780 policies.
00:33:06.540 And everyone's thanking me everywhere because of hopes and dreams.
00:33:10.380 Right.
00:33:11.060 That's it.
00:33:11.840 God, did we dodge a bullet with her.
00:33:13.760 And I don't know if you played the soundbite from her the other day telling Californians what
00:33:17.800 to do, which was like.
00:33:19.380 It was totally inane.
00:33:20.380 We did not play it.
00:33:21.180 I don't.
00:33:21.340 Do we have it?
00:33:22.140 We'll find out.
00:33:22.860 It was basically like.
00:33:23.900 Oh, we did.
00:33:24.340 Oh, yeah, we did play.
00:33:24.960 OK, you did.
00:33:25.560 Yeah, it was basically like be safe and listen to announcements.
00:33:28.940 Do what you.
00:33:29.900 It's like it's very.
00:33:30.560 You are so right with your Meghan Markle comparison, like the verbosity, like all the
00:33:36.620 words deployed to say nothing, nothing, nothing left.
00:33:40.580 Amazing.
00:33:41.060 So you saw she went out, Meghan Markle, to the wildfires.
00:33:45.320 I did.
00:33:46.560 Did you approve or disapprove?
00:33:48.620 I thought, wow, I definitely now think my theory that Netflix was the one to pull the
00:33:53.420 plug on her show and it wasn't her idea or her unilateral decision, because had it been,
00:34:00.480 she would have been like, now's the time I go to ground.
00:34:03.060 Nobody needs to see me in this devastation.
00:34:05.780 Nobody's looking.
00:34:06.500 Do you think she went out there knowing that it had been pulled and just sort of reminding
00:34:09.560 the world?
00:34:10.000 Here I am.
00:34:10.760 Yeah.
00:34:11.420 Benevolent caregiver.
00:34:12.640 Yeah.
00:34:12.860 I've got my most concerned face on while reportedly that woman she was hugging was a member of
00:34:17.920 her own team.
00:34:18.880 Oh, my gosh.
00:34:19.520 Really?
00:34:19.860 Yeah.
00:34:21.520 Yeah.
00:34:22.280 She saw a camera.
00:34:23.520 She doubled back and it was time for a hug with a concerned face.
00:34:26.360 You know, the baseball cap lid just high enough so we can see everything.
00:34:29.440 Just high enough.
00:34:30.260 Just high enough.
00:34:31.680 I saw footage of her also at like donating like bags of clothes, like cut a check.
00:34:37.780 I know.
00:34:38.260 And shut your mouth.
00:34:39.380 There's no reason for her to go there personally.
00:34:42.200 She understands 100%.
00:34:43.640 She'll be the center of all the cameras.
00:34:46.180 The story will be about her, which is exactly what she wanted.
00:34:49.960 And now she and Harry are angry at Justine Bateman, according to page six, that she called
00:34:55.800 them disaster tourists.
00:34:57.100 Their feelings are hurt because they really do just want to help Maureen.
00:34:59.800 It's not about them.
00:35:00.620 Again, like failing to ever learn a lesson, read a room like, OK, you got called disaster
00:35:06.760 tourists.
00:35:07.660 Take it.
00:35:08.180 Take the hit.
00:35:08.900 First of all, it's true.
00:35:09.880 Good for Justine Bateman.
00:35:11.260 Why'd you go to Uvalde if you're not?
00:35:13.000 Please.
00:35:13.540 That was the most disgusting thing.
00:35:15.000 The most like if there's there's certain people when they do something, I think to myself,
00:35:20.320 I will never put another penny in their pocket.
00:35:22.640 Right.
00:35:23.500 Alicia Keys, her pro Hamas post.
00:35:26.300 Totally what she denied.
00:35:27.260 I said, never again, not a penny in her pocket.
00:35:29.680 But these people are disgusting.
00:35:32.520 And so they they feel that we need to know that they are offended.
00:35:36.940 By this again, while L.A. is burning and people are going to be left with nothing and these
00:35:44.180 people are going to be screwed like they have no insurance, the federal government.
00:35:48.520 Like if you try to get help from them, good luck.
00:35:51.000 It's designed to break you.
00:35:52.720 Oh, well, you were pointing out a column the other day.
00:35:54.620 It's not just these two losers.
00:35:57.160 A bunch of celebrities are out there like, oh, you know, help my family.
00:36:02.840 These multimillionaire stars like could you participate in my GoFundMe for my relic?
00:36:09.900 It's like, who was it?
00:36:11.280 Mandy Moore.
00:36:11.900 Yeah.
00:36:12.220 Mandy Moore of This Is Us fame.
00:36:14.720 Meanwhile, her her partner, who I love, Jack, Milo, Milo Ventimiglia.
00:36:21.780 He didn't do that shit.
00:36:23.000 No, he was on the site.
00:36:24.140 Somebody found him surveying his home in ashes.
00:36:27.160 He didn't make it all about like, woe is me.
00:36:29.740 You know, he just answered the questions.
00:36:30.900 He was dignified.
00:36:31.660 And he certainly didn't ask people to give him money for himself or his family.
00:36:35.440 But Mandy Moore actually started GoFundMe for her in-laws.
00:36:38.140 Well, she said in her post, they're all so slippery.
00:36:41.740 She's like, by the way, I didn't start this GoFundMe, so don't blame me.
00:36:45.500 I'm just like being a good person and putting it out there for my brother-in-law who lost
00:36:50.560 like $60,000 worth of musical equipment.
00:36:53.740 Like, cry me a river.
00:36:55.520 You lost your instruments.
00:36:57.060 They should have been insured for one.
00:36:58.780 I don't care.
00:37:00.120 So she goes, we're asking for $60,000.
00:37:03.420 Oh, and if you don't like it, kindly F off.
00:37:06.380 No one's forcing you to do anything, which is not the point.
00:37:11.180 And I cannot tell you how gratifying it was to go through all these sort of comments from
00:37:15.120 people who were like, Mandy Moore, like, I thought you were like a decent person.
00:37:19.080 Like, fuck you.
00:37:20.760 Like, she made $23 million reportedly just from This Is Us alone.
00:37:25.380 She doesn't have to work another day in her life.
00:37:27.880 She could replace that $60,000 worth of musical equipment.
00:37:31.240 Easily.
00:37:31.500 I bet her couch cost her that.
00:37:33.060 Exactly.
00:37:33.620 Her custom-made couch.
00:37:34.800 Yeah.
00:37:34.960 Even Gwyneth Paltrow isn't doing this stuff.
00:37:37.300 You know what I mean?
00:37:38.140 That's saying something.
00:37:39.160 That says a lot.
00:37:40.100 No, and you also don't see Gwyneth Paltrow flying in and inserting herself into the story
00:37:45.120 under the auspices of, they really need me to ladle out the soup.
00:37:49.060 They really need me to hand out sweatshirts.
00:37:52.180 Like, any celebrity or somebody who's as well-known as Meghan and Harry are, who does that, is doing
00:37:57.700 it for a reason.
00:37:58.820 They know exactly what's going to happen.
00:38:01.060 It's totally different from, like, a Gary Sinise who will hold a concert and have people
00:38:06.120 come and pay an admission charge with a deal that I'm going to take all these proceeds
00:38:09.960 and give them, like, to our vets, right?
00:38:11.720 That's where, like, you're using your celebrity for good.
00:38:13.700 It's on the table that it's your celebrity that you're, you know, it's, you're going to do this thing.
00:38:17.920 Transactional.
00:38:18.180 Yeah.
00:38:18.520 Yeah.
00:38:18.660 They're just, they're trying to look like random good Samaritans.
00:38:22.240 And I was talking about this.
00:38:23.260 I went on Billy Bush's show.
00:38:24.400 He just launched it this week.
00:38:25.520 And, um, I was saying to me, it's like when you go on to donate to somebody's GoFundMe,
00:38:30.820 um, I know I always click the anonymous thing because I know I'm me and I know like, I don't
00:38:35.840 want people writing stories about like, oh, she, she gave this or what it that's the, that
00:38:41.320 it's not just besides the point.
00:38:44.380 It undermines the point of doing it like true charity is something you do just for the
00:38:48.720 other person, just to help them.
00:38:50.160 It shouldn't reflect back on you at all.
00:38:52.540 You're yes, you should be fading down into nothing.
00:38:55.160 The point is not to get a thank you.
00:38:57.020 Yes.
00:38:57.340 If you do it because you also feel good, that's great.
00:39:00.280 Yes.
00:39:00.660 But you don't do it to promote yourself, which is totally what they were doing.
00:39:05.780 Totally what they were doing.
00:39:06.720 I mean, one of the, I mean, I loved Prince, but one of my favorite things about him, which
00:39:10.920 I learned after he died was the extent of his charitable donations and how involved he was
00:39:16.600 with like programs for underprivileged youth.
00:39:18.660 Like you would never, you never knew it.
00:39:20.540 It was the same with George Michael.
00:39:21.800 You never knew it.
00:39:23.020 And it's, it goes to one of my favorite sayings, which is if you do something good for someone
00:39:28.040 else and more than those two people know about it, you did it for the wrong reason.
00:39:33.020 This is one of the reasons why, even though Vivek gets under my skin sometimes with his weird
00:39:37.140 little posts about how we need more Urkels, um, that wasn't on my skin.
00:39:40.660 I just teased him because, but I will tell you, I do know a story personally, a person
00:39:44.840 I had on this show who got canceled over complete BS.
00:39:48.920 This is before Vivek was on the scene as a politician or anything.
00:39:52.320 He was just private businessman and he heard the story and contacted me and said, I want
00:39:57.500 to pay all of our legal bills.
00:39:58.780 Amazing.
00:39:59.320 I know.
00:39:59.800 And he's, I've never heard him tell this story.
00:40:01.960 Like he's, he wasn't looking for credit for it.
00:40:04.460 Right.
00:40:04.760 I mean, that just speaks to a true, like a good character of a person.
00:40:09.060 These two, it's a totally different story.
00:40:11.100 So shame on them.
00:40:12.360 Shame on, uh, Mandy Moore.
00:40:14.780 Uh, it's a disgrace.
00:40:15.880 They just go away.
00:40:18.040 Meanwhile, while we're on LA, they're in a full meltdown there in terms of their politics.
00:40:23.980 The fire chief almost got fired.
00:40:27.500 Then she had some long heated closed door meeting with the mayor where they had it out.
00:40:31.460 By the next day, Saturday, they came out as a sort of united front.
00:40:34.620 Like we're going to resolve our differences in private, but she continues to rip on the
00:40:40.800 fact that the fire department didn't get the resources it needed, the fire chief.
00:40:44.240 And now what you're seeing is reports that there's been a rebellion against her and that
00:40:49.320 there's a push growing for her, the LA fire chief to step down because she hasn't been
00:40:55.680 taking care of the firefighters in her ranks or listening to their many complaints.
00:41:00.420 So she raised at least one publicly saying, don't defund us the $17 million.
00:41:04.520 Like we need more resources, but you're hearing more and more firefighters from within and
00:41:08.760 including the head of the firefighters union come out and say, we've been sounding the alarm.
00:41:12.700 No one's been listening to us.
00:41:13.720 And actually some are saying this fire chief needs to go among other things.
00:41:18.240 She's been too focused on DEI and getting more women.
00:41:23.380 The New York times has a report on this out right now.
00:41:25.280 She's super focused on getting more women in the fire force, uh, because some women in
00:41:30.960 previous years complained that they'd been harassed, et cetera, by some of the guys.
00:41:34.680 So the answer I guess is to just make women the dominant population in LAFD.
00:41:39.400 First of all, I've been listening to your coverage about this and the line you had the other day
00:41:46.560 about, well, I might die, but at least I'm in the presence of what?
00:41:50.620 An obese lesbian.
00:41:52.460 Hey, um, I was actually at the bank yesterday and next to me at the teller was a firefighter
00:41:58.920 and they were talking about this.
00:42:00.840 He and the teller were talking about this.
00:42:02.460 And he said, this is the thing about why we are wary of female firefighters.
00:42:08.160 He said, we're afraid that they might lose their courage in an emergency, like to run
00:42:13.540 into a burning building with all of that stuff on you, like trying to get people out.
00:42:18.360 I think men who do it are crazy.
00:42:22.000 Yes.
00:42:22.620 Wonderfully crazy.
00:42:23.640 I'm too afraid.
00:42:24.340 Yes.
00:42:25.020 So my, but also, you know, this sort of ties into the Biden because I'm looking at what's
00:42:31.180 going on in California and seeing Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass, who is wearing this insufferable
00:42:37.220 smile on her face at all times and this fire chief.
00:42:41.980 And it's like, there is no such thing as accountability, as shame anymore.
00:42:47.640 It seems the worst of a job you do, the better you give yourself on a performance ranking.
00:42:53.860 You're like, you think you're doing a five when the public thinks you're doing a zero.
00:42:57.940 When all evidence to the contrary exists, such as your entire town burning to the ground.
00:43:06.360 And you don't seem to have much, much urgency.
00:43:08.500 I mean, as it goes on and burns, like the problems with staffing and getting the adequate
00:43:13.160 trucks and water there remain.
00:43:15.760 Schellenberger, who's been doing a great, great job on this, tweeted this out today or
00:43:20.120 last night.
00:43:20.580 He's tweeting out an article that reads, DEI and corruption behind LA fire catastrophe says
00:43:26.640 new whistleblower.
00:43:28.760 And this is his headline.
00:43:30.540 DEI did not hurt the LA fire department's response to the catastrophic fire, say the
00:43:34.720 media, but anything that Trump's meritocratic standards would.
00:43:38.860 And now whistleblowers within the LA FD say the department lowered standards on ladders,
00:43:45.980 hoses, and pushups to meet DEI quotas for women.
00:43:51.220 This is exactly what Hegseth was trying to say at his confirmation hearings earlier this
00:43:54.960 week.
00:43:55.520 No, they're not Senator Gillibrand dumb enough to put it down on a piece of paper saying
00:44:00.920 the women have to meet this lower standard and the men have to meet this higher one.
00:44:04.980 It is a matter of practice in too many areas of the military and obviously the LA FD to do
00:44:11.080 it with a wink and a nod.
00:44:12.940 And it's unacceptable when you have lives on the line.
00:44:17.200 So, I mean, this is tangential, but, um, I was looking at an episode the other night
00:44:25.440 of only murders in the building and cast as an NYPD detective is an obese black woman.
00:44:32.920 And I'm thinking to myself, would she really pass the physical fitness requirement to be
00:44:38.220 a police officer?
00:44:39.300 I mean, have you seen the NYPD, the videos of the dancers?
00:44:41.460 Yes.
00:44:41.920 Yeah.
00:44:42.180 Yes.
00:44:42.560 But like, that's, that's the, that's the messaging we're getting in the mirroring we're getting.
00:44:45.920 Like, this is supposed to be like a thing where you don't even realize for a second,
00:44:49.660 like, no, that doesn't fit.
00:44:51.100 Yeah.
00:44:51.460 That doesn't apply.
00:44:52.660 Right.
00:44:52.940 The real, it should not apply.
00:44:54.340 Right.
00:44:54.800 Right.
00:44:55.600 It's fine.
00:44:56.180 You can choose whichever color you want to make her, but why does she have to be obese?
00:44:59.920 Exactly.
00:45:00.280 Like we're, we're trying with the, there's technically a standard.
00:45:03.200 They're all supposed to be meeting on physical fitness.
00:45:04.900 Um, why are we leaning into somehow that's a problem?
00:45:08.440 And this is one of the things that we were supposed to have learned from Afghanistan and
00:45:13.520 Iraq when, you know, an all volunteer army, very few American men and women really looking
00:45:20.900 to join that fight after a while.
00:45:22.980 And the army and the military had no choice but to lower standards.
00:45:26.640 So they were letting in people who either physically couldn't do it intellectually, didn't
00:45:31.200 have the capabilities, you know?
00:45:33.080 I mean, this is a very long tail we're dealing with.
00:45:36.060 But meanwhile, Pete was making such a good point the other day at the confirmation hearing
00:45:39.160 that we don't hear enough of.
00:45:40.800 And, and Anna Kasparian was on the show the other day trying to make the opposite point.
00:45:44.440 I disagreed with her, but we didn't get a chance to get into it.
00:45:46.560 And she was great by the way, but she was saying, look, we have, you know, a recruiting
00:45:50.100 shortage and, you know, if we have talented women who want to sign up for the military and
00:45:54.760 for combat, like the more the merrier because we need more bodies now.
00:45:58.380 And by the way, Pete's never said women shouldn't be in the military.
00:46:00.800 It's about combat.
00:46:02.840 So I know I take her point, but what Pete was saying at the hearing was that we're seeing
00:46:08.880 already a surge in signups by young men who are ready to rejoin because we've had this
00:46:14.940 lag.
00:46:15.340 And I believe, as I think Pete does, as I think Trump does, that one of the main reasons
00:46:19.840 we're seeing the lag, two of the main reasons are DEI.
00:46:23.380 They do not want to volunteer to put their lives on the line only to be lectured to that
00:46:29.840 they're bad because they're white men.
00:46:32.340 That's one.
00:46:33.540 One of those two things, because black men get lectured too because of their manliness.
00:46:38.100 So that's one.
00:46:39.020 And then two is we've been totally reckless with our blood and treasure.
00:46:43.140 We've been starting these wars.
00:46:44.800 They've been never ending.
00:46:45.940 We keep sending more over there.
00:46:47.620 We try to impose democracies on countries and regions that will not have it.
00:46:51.600 We double down on dumb.
00:46:53.180 And then when they die, like in the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal, we say we handled it
00:46:58.260 perfectly.
00:46:58.780 That's what Biden says.
00:46:59.500 No mistakes.
00:47:00.120 It was stellar.
00:47:00.960 It nailed it.
00:47:02.240 Why would you go sign up to fight for a man like that?
00:47:05.300 Commander in chief like that.
00:47:06.100 And Pete's point is that if we do things right, if we treat the military right, if we
00:47:11.080 have the right messaging, if we choose the right battles and we give them the tools to
00:47:14.360 win, like instead of tying their hands behind the back on bullshit rules of engagement, we're
00:47:18.980 going to see that surge in signups again.
00:47:21.400 If we teach pro-America lessons in school, as opposed to you should hate your country,
00:47:25.800 we're going to see enlisted numbers go up.
00:47:28.800 The answer is that to lower the standard so we can take the obese ones and the ones who don't
00:47:32.500 pass the IQ test and women who are out of shape or not strong.
00:47:35.740 The answer is to find a way to get to those able-bodied, young, male fighting age guys
00:47:41.360 who otherwise would have been running to the recruitment offices.
00:47:44.920 100%.
00:47:45.320 And you also have to think, you know, if you are a young man thinking of joining up, like
00:47:50.980 they're thinking, who's going to be in my foxhole?
00:47:54.020 Is it going to be a DEI hire?
00:47:55.800 He's going to try to drag me out behind like an assault or not.
00:48:00.060 You know, I mean, it's, it's such a practical, again, common sense thing.
00:48:05.580 And finally, now we're having these grownup discussions about it because over the past
00:48:10.100 four, eight, 12 years to do so is to be a racist, is to be a bigot, is to be one of
00:48:16.840 my favorite epithets, an ableist.
00:48:19.460 Oh God.
00:48:20.480 An ableist.
00:48:21.340 I'm an ableist when it comes to our armed forces.
00:48:23.420 I am.
00:48:23.920 Likewise, you know, so I just, uh, I'm, I'm gratified by everything that's sort of happening.
00:48:30.860 And I think what's going to happen in LA is a complete flushing out of this toxicity.
00:48:35.900 Like Gavin Newsom is done.
00:48:38.100 Yeah.
00:48:38.940 Karen Bass.
00:48:40.060 I mean, holy, like when she was being interrogated, like after deplaning, but before they like
00:48:49.360 let her off sky news reporter and she's looking, she's looking at the ground and her eyebrows
00:48:55.040 are knitting as he's asking questions.
00:48:57.560 And I was literally thinking to myself, like, is she like functionally a moron?
00:49:02.560 I think, I think so.
00:49:03.940 The answer is yes.
00:49:05.640 You do.
00:49:06.200 Yeah.
00:49:06.620 But she wasn't the one who put this fire chief in.
00:49:08.560 It was Garcetti, right?
00:49:09.760 And he was the previous mayor.
00:49:10.720 Wait, I get my G's confused in Los Angeles.
00:49:13.220 It was the previous mayor who came right before her.
00:49:15.040 The guy who just got voted out.
00:49:16.420 And, um, he, he put her in and she kept her though.
00:49:20.180 She kept her right.
00:49:20.880 Because none of these Democrats is going to be the one to say the DEI hire is not on point.
00:49:25.580 Right.
00:49:25.940 And Karen Bass's, uh, situation Garcetti.
00:49:29.080 Yeah.
00:49:29.600 Um, she's probably a DEI hire too.
00:49:32.100 A lot of the women, a lot of the voters are already on record saying I could not vote for
00:49:35.540 the white guy, Rick Caruso when he's running against a black woman in no world.
00:49:40.460 Could I do it?
00:49:40.980 Well, this is one of the reasons why I think it's an app.
00:49:43.680 We have a minute, but discussion, like, do we, how many federal dollars do we send to
00:49:47.840 California if they're not going to change their leadership, if they're going to double
00:49:50.800 down on dumb, like how, how many times do you go in and rescue people who are suffering
00:49:56.660 natural consequences?
00:49:58.100 I, I just, I don't know how we as Americans could turn our backs on the hardworking people
00:50:04.560 who are really going to suffer.
00:50:06.340 I don't know how the federal government just leaves them to it.
00:50:08.700 To me, it's as bad as FEMA people being told to ignore homes with Trump stakes in them.
00:50:14.400 Unfortunately, you're right, but it is somewhat galling because it's like,
00:50:17.420 I agree.
00:50:18.420 You stick with these leaders.
00:50:20.040 They are suffering for it.
00:50:21.320 And I do think they're going to learn their lesson.
00:50:23.100 I hope you're right.
00:50:23.940 I hope you're right.
00:50:24.660 My woke friend who told me the other day, she was hearing all sorts of, you know,
00:50:27.960 we're going to vote Republican.
00:50:29.380 We see what we did.
00:50:30.580 It was wrong.
00:50:31.120 She said they're weakening already.
00:50:33.160 They're already being like, well, you can't stop fire.
00:50:35.680 Well, you can, you can, you can.
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00:52:24.880 This is just breaking, Maureen.
00:52:26.560 CNN, bad news, just found liable in a defamation case for $5 million,
00:52:35.040 and now the jury recommending that they move on to the punitive damages phase,
00:52:40.520 which is no bueno for CNN.
00:52:43.660 Here's what happened.
00:52:45.420 A U.S. Navy veteran by the name of Zachary Young
00:52:52.220 was put on CNN's screen in a report done by a reporter named Alex Marquette.
00:52:59.440 It aired on Jake Tapper's show.
00:53:02.180 And in this report, Alex Marquette suggested,
00:53:05.920 CNN suggested that this guy, Young,
00:53:08.460 was an illegal profiteer working in Afghanistan with those who needed to be evacuated,
00:53:18.000 charging them thousands of dollars to flee the country following the U.S. military withdrawal.
00:53:22.920 And this guy, Young, was in touch with the CNN reporter,
00:53:27.980 and before they ran the piece saying,
00:53:31.220 no, not true, and what are you going to say?
00:53:35.660 Because they reached out to him for comment, as you must.
00:53:37.680 And he said, send me a list of questions, you know, and I'll answer them.
00:53:42.160 And they introduced texts in the lawsuit that he brought for defamation against CNN,
00:53:47.380 including one in which Alex Marquette is texting another internal CNN-er how annoyed he is
00:53:55.040 that this guy, Young, has been in touch, saying,
00:53:58.040 fucking Young just texted.
00:53:59.920 Okay?
00:54:00.540 And then there's a text in which,
00:54:03.380 and he starts it with FFS, meaning for fuck's sake,
00:54:07.800 fucking Young just texted.
00:54:08.900 It's like he's annoyed that his source,
00:54:11.440 you know, the subject of his story wants to talk about it.
00:54:13.520 Like, normally you're happy.
00:54:15.540 Normally that's great news.
00:54:16.500 If they yell at you, that's fine.
00:54:17.820 Either way, interaction is fine.
00:54:20.400 And then there was a text shown of Marquette's text
00:54:25.400 where he told CNN's assistant managing editor, Matthew Phillips,
00:54:29.560 we gonna nail this Zachary Young motherfucker,
00:54:33.620 which is not a great text,
00:54:35.980 not a great text when defending a defamation case.
00:54:39.940 So now the jury has just come back,
00:54:42.040 finding CNN liable and saying they need to pay Mr. Young
00:54:45.300 $5 million in compensatory damages,
00:54:47.720 adding that he should also be awarded punitives.
00:54:50.180 The trial will be heading into a second phase
00:54:51.920 to determine the amount of punitive damages.
00:54:55.200 This is, I mean, look, I hate to see,
00:54:58.100 you know, defamation cases succeed
00:55:00.560 against our fellow media members
00:55:01.700 because you never want to be in that position, right?
00:55:04.240 I mean, I'd be lying if I said you didn't think,
00:55:06.000 well, wow, geez, like nobody's perfect.
00:55:07.840 There but for the grace.
00:55:08.740 But this sounds rather egregious.
00:55:10.960 These texts make it pretty clear.
00:55:12.280 This reporter was not necessarily 100% interested
00:55:15.120 in reporting what was real and true.
00:55:17.260 No, and you know what else is really,
00:55:19.580 I shouldn't be shocked because it's CNN.
00:55:22.620 But I was glued to that coverage
00:55:25.540 and I read everything I could about it.
00:55:28.020 And instead of CNN really going down the rabbit hole
00:55:31.480 of how Biden was able to do this,
00:55:35.860 despite every top general telling him not to do it,
00:55:41.620 despite every top advisor telling him
00:55:43.700 this is not the way, he went ahead and did it
00:55:46.400 and people died and babies were thrown
00:55:49.380 over barbed wire fences to U.S. servicemen.
00:55:53.320 The desperation, we'd left American conspirators behind.
00:55:59.100 We told them, we will protect you.
00:56:01.480 And when push came to shove, we were like, we're out.
00:56:03.560 Sorry, every man for himself.
00:56:05.420 And it was these ex-military guys,
00:56:08.080 I don't know if Zachary is ex or still,
00:56:10.920 but who took it upon themselves,
00:56:13.080 many remotely from America,
00:56:15.360 to organize people, to organize former Navy SEALs
00:56:18.520 to get these poor people out.
00:56:20.780 But CNN instead thought the better story was,
00:56:24.580 oh, one of these guys is trying to line his pockets.
00:56:27.420 Like, that kind of tells you where their weather vane is.
00:56:31.040 When you have texts like that, you just settle.
00:56:32.960 You just settle.
00:56:33.920 You know, like, there will be situations
00:56:37.460 in which the press behaves badly,
00:56:39.060 in which you have bad texts,
00:56:40.460 in which this reporter in the field makes bad decisions.
00:56:43.500 And as a media organization, you settle those cases.
00:56:46.720 That is why ABC settled with Donald Trump,
00:56:50.780 paid him $15 million in his defamation lawsuit,
00:56:53.400 because George Stephanopoulos just kept saying
00:56:56.240 he raped somebody, that he was found liable for rape
00:56:58.380 when it wasn't true.
00:56:59.820 It's like, sometimes you have to know as the corporation,
00:57:02.100 the big daddy, when to fall on your sword
00:57:05.020 and just say, we effed up
00:57:07.200 and we're going to minimize the damage to our brand.
00:57:09.960 I mean, CNN's in a spiral right now.
00:57:12.340 It's got basement ratings.
00:57:14.860 And, like, their big news this week has been
00:57:19.280 Jim Acosta is moving from 10 a.m. to midnight.
00:57:27.700 Right.
00:57:28.660 And I guess they sold it to him by saying,
00:57:30.600 it's primetime on the West Coast.
00:57:32.720 Right.
00:57:32.980 And Wolf Blitzer getting kicked out of primetime,
00:57:35.380 and he's getting a morning show.
00:57:36.660 So, like, what 67-year-old is, like, 76, I think.
00:57:39.780 76.
00:57:40.260 I'd love to get up at 4 a.m., 5 a.m.
00:57:42.440 Sure.
00:57:42.860 To prep for this.
00:57:43.260 Yeah, great.
00:57:43.820 I know.
00:57:44.420 And Jim Acosta on his, like, most recent show has been,
00:57:49.440 I think he was thanking President Biden
00:57:51.240 for defending the press.
00:57:52.920 Stop it.
00:57:53.500 Meaning him.
00:57:54.220 Stop.
00:57:54.620 It's worse than you think.
00:57:55.760 Watch this.
00:57:57.400 He warned the free press is crumbling in this country.
00:58:00.700 Journalists exist to seek the truth,
00:58:02.620 to tell people's stories,
00:58:03.860 to lift up voices that may not be heard otherwise.
00:58:07.380 To shine a light on injustice,
00:58:08.940 and to hold the powerful accountable.
00:58:11.020 I want to take a moment to show you something.
00:58:12.280 A woman sent me this sign eight years ago.
00:58:15.260 She carried it here at a march in Washington.
00:58:17.540 She wrote on the back of the sign,
00:58:19.560 to me and the press here in D.C.,
00:58:21.500 you have our support.
00:58:23.320 To Nora, wherever you are,
00:58:25.620 right back at you.
00:58:27.380 Oh, my God.
00:58:28.460 The sign reads,
00:58:29.680 I march for Jim Acosta in a free press,
00:58:32.740 and he's holding it up.
00:58:34.260 It's, oh, my God.
00:58:36.780 Ted Knight is on the Mary Tyler Moore show.
00:58:39.320 Totally.
00:58:39.820 That's that.
00:58:40.500 Like, more insane than this woman giving him this little placard,
00:58:44.660 whatever.
00:58:44.940 Um, and, and is, is him holding onto it?
00:58:48.660 Right.
00:58:48.960 Like, imagine how many times he's moved offices
00:58:51.120 and told some assistant,
00:58:52.420 like, you gotta get that.
00:58:53.700 You gotta, don't leave that behind.
00:58:55.220 I'll fire you.
00:58:56.260 Get my sign.
00:58:57.220 Like, he's gonna take it home
00:58:58.380 and have it framed when he retires.
00:59:00.600 Like, it's demented.
00:59:02.020 I hope the woman who made the sign
00:59:03.220 is on the West Coast
00:59:04.280 and she can enjoy the,
00:59:05.560 the newly minted prime time host.
00:59:08.420 I can't say,
00:59:08.960 is that your DVR?
00:59:10.280 California only.
00:59:11.020 Oh, my God.
00:59:12.060 Um, I mean,
00:59:12.960 they're rearranging the deck chairs.
00:59:14.540 The, the ship is still sinking.
00:59:16.120 Mm-hmm.
00:59:16.340 Good luck with that.
00:59:17.180 Oh, my God.
00:59:17.720 Speaking of,
00:59:18.280 just can I say.
00:59:19.060 Yeah.
00:59:19.380 You know,
00:59:19.880 you, you often say this thing
00:59:21.140 that Roger Ailes told you,
00:59:22.320 which is watch with the sound off.
00:59:24.480 Yeah.
00:59:24.680 And see if you can tell
00:59:25.320 what the story is,
00:59:26.480 the LA wildfires breaking out
00:59:28.280 on Wednesday morning.
00:59:29.300 Is it Abby Phillip
00:59:30.220 who's the morning person?
00:59:31.280 Because she was doing
00:59:32.560 a remote interview
00:59:33.980 with somebody
00:59:34.580 in the field in California
00:59:35.980 and she had her phone
00:59:37.800 in the shot
00:59:38.640 and she was like this.
00:59:41.320 What?
00:59:42.000 It was like she was online shopping
00:59:43.640 while she was getting
00:59:44.760 this, like,
00:59:45.360 incoming dispatch,
00:59:46.300 like,
00:59:47.020 we're burning to the ground over here
00:59:48.540 and there's no water
00:59:49.240 and no one's coming.
00:59:50.100 She's like.
00:59:50.500 Oh, my.
00:59:51.800 No, I don't,
00:59:52.660 I don't know when she's on.
00:59:54.100 I just see her clips.
00:59:54.860 I think she's on in the evening,
00:59:56.480 but I was talking to her about her.
00:59:58.220 When is she, Steve?
00:59:59.600 She's at 9 p.m.
01:00:00.420 Oh, my God.
01:00:00.940 God help you, CNN.
01:00:01.980 I was just talking about her yesterday
01:00:03.220 because she's got this weird thing
01:00:04.480 with her affects
01:00:05.660 where she talks like this
01:00:07.520 and she's like,
01:00:09.260 I don't think they were disparaging
01:00:11.940 Pete Hegseth's military service
01:00:14.080 and you shouldn't disparage
01:00:16.320 the general service
01:00:17.740 who came before.
01:00:18.780 It's,
01:00:19.060 I don't know what it is,
01:00:20.380 but I asked the audience,
01:00:21.940 like,
01:00:22.980 that's my imitation of her.
01:00:24.040 Who am I imitating?
01:00:25.600 Like,
01:00:25.760 who is it that I'm,
01:00:28.440 because she's reminding me of somebody
01:00:29.860 and I feel like we came up with
01:00:31.540 some of the audience emailed in.
01:00:33.200 It's Megan at MeganKelley.com.
01:00:34.980 Here's what we came up with.
01:00:36.540 Nobody's going to go out with me.
01:00:40.140 Have you asked anybody yet?
01:00:42.160 No,
01:00:42.620 but who would?
01:00:43.580 I don't even have any good skills.
01:00:45.920 What do you mean?
01:00:46.720 You know,
01:00:47.960 like,
01:00:49.540 nunchuck skills,
01:00:51.100 bow hunting skills,
01:00:52.960 computer hacking skills.
01:00:56.080 Girls only want boyfriends
01:00:57.380 who have great skills.
01:00:59.480 That's Napoleon Dynamite.
01:01:00.940 Here's Abby Phillip.
01:01:01.780 You tell me whether I'm onto something.
01:01:03.720 I have concerns about
01:01:05.000 Elon Musk's
01:01:06.220 business dealings
01:01:08.200 in other countries,
01:01:09.240 including American adversaries,
01:01:11.180 that we are producing
01:01:12.040 more oil now
01:01:13.180 than even when Trump was in office.
01:01:14.920 That's a fact.
01:01:16.640 I'm old enough to remember
01:01:17.640 hydroxychloroquine
01:01:18.940 and the horse tranquilizer
01:01:20.220 and all that stuff.
01:01:21.340 I mean,
01:01:21.620 those things weren't true either.
01:01:23.400 Okay?
01:01:25.040 It's just very,
01:01:26.220 very flat
01:01:27.700 while she makes her point
01:01:29.580 with the occasional
01:01:30.500 intonation upward.
01:01:32.760 Do you know who
01:01:33.240 that reminds me of too?
01:01:34.380 Who?
01:01:34.640 Selena Gomez,
01:01:36.080 who's been on this huge press tour.
01:01:37.820 She's in that movie,
01:01:38.620 that transgender musical.
01:01:40.020 Oh, yeah.
01:01:41.020 Which I refuse to see.
01:01:42.240 I mean,
01:01:42.560 who's going to watch that?
01:01:43.420 No,
01:01:43.540 I'm just going to watch that.
01:01:44.260 But she has
01:01:45.840 the flattest affect.
01:01:47.320 Like,
01:01:47.480 she's been doing this press tour
01:01:48.460 like it's her best year ever.
01:01:50.280 And she sounds like
01:01:51.160 she's on, like,
01:01:52.280 medication for, like,
01:01:53.500 treatment-resistant depression.
01:01:55.320 Oh,
01:01:55.620 another submission.
01:01:56.500 Please go find a clip of that
01:01:58.080 so we can see
01:01:58.640 who Abby Phillip
01:01:59.440 is more like.
01:02:02.080 People are more familiar
01:02:03.500 with her name right now
01:02:04.420 than they ever have been,
01:02:05.220 thanks to our mentioning
01:02:05.860 on this show.
01:02:06.520 So you're welcome.
01:02:07.700 Okay,
01:02:08.260 there's a couple other things
01:02:09.340 I'm dying to talk to you about.
01:02:10.260 Two massive lawsuits today.
01:02:12.300 One we're going to get to,
01:02:13.240 which you guys know about,
01:02:14.020 and that's the,
01:02:14.460 um,
01:02:15.220 the,
01:02:15.500 the Blake Lively,
01:02:17.380 uh,
01:02:17.720 Justin Baldoni thing.
01:02:18.860 Brian Friedman,
01:02:19.540 the lawyer for Justin,
01:02:20.320 has just dropped a whopper
01:02:21.840 of a $400 million lawsuit
01:02:24.460 against Blake Lively,
01:02:26.200 Ryan Reynolds,
01:02:27.500 and their PR agent,
01:02:29.780 Leslie,
01:02:30.780 I don't remember her last name,
01:02:32.880 Sloan.
01:02:33.780 Um,
01:02:34.180 he said he was going to do it.
01:02:35.380 He said it was going to be a whopper,
01:02:36.720 and boy,
01:02:37.100 oh boy,
01:02:37.560 is it.
01:02:37.920 So we'll get to that in one second.
01:02:39.060 But I have to start with one
01:02:40.100 against a guy,
01:02:41.740 a criminal indictment
01:02:42.940 that probably no one
01:02:44.780 listening to me,
01:02:45.480 other than I know
01:02:46.000 we have some federal
01:02:46.800 circuit court judges,
01:02:47.680 we have some court of appeals judges
01:02:48.780 who I know listen to the show.
01:02:50.240 They're going to know this guy.
01:02:51.560 But it's just such an interesting story
01:02:53.540 that I must bring it to you.
01:02:57.300 There's this guy named Tom Goldstein,
01:02:59.060 and he has been behind the website
01:03:02.520 all of us court watchers use
01:03:04.680 for the past two decades
01:03:06.280 called SCOTUSblog,
01:03:08.040 Supreme Court of the United States,
01:03:09.200 SCOTUSblog.com.
01:03:10.520 It kind of started to wind down a bit
01:03:12.880 last year.
01:03:13.960 We didn't know why,
01:03:15.520 but he's the guy behind it.
01:03:17.180 And I believe that he is,
01:03:20.060 oh God,
01:03:20.900 the second,
01:03:21.920 this is from National Review's
01:03:23.320 Dan McLaughlin,
01:03:24.520 who writes,
01:03:25.960 his bio recites that
01:03:26.980 only three lawyers
01:03:28.300 in the court's modern history
01:03:29.800 have argued more cases
01:03:31.780 in private practice.
01:03:33.020 He has been counsel on
01:03:34.640 more successful petitions
01:03:36.540 for certiorari,
01:03:37.480 meaning please take our case,
01:03:38.760 U.S. Supreme Court,
01:03:39.720 over the past decade
01:03:40.780 than any other lawyer
01:03:42.260 in private practice.
01:03:44.040 Over the past 15 years,
01:03:45.060 the firm's petitions for cert
01:03:46.400 have been granted
01:03:47.500 at a higher rate
01:03:48.340 than any private law firm
01:03:49.820 or legal clinic.
01:03:51.320 He has taught Supreme Court litigation
01:03:52.940 at Harvard Law School
01:03:53.740 since 2004
01:03:54.580 after teaching the same
01:03:55.700 at Stanford.
01:03:56.640 He's one of the co-founders
01:03:57.620 of SCOTUSblog,
01:03:58.580 the must-read site
01:03:59.320 covering the high court.
01:04:00.420 He holds a number of positions
01:04:02.440 of distinction
01:04:03.440 in the bar.
01:04:04.980 As a young lawyer,
01:04:06.000 he was at the side
01:04:06.740 of David Boyes
01:04:07.640 and Lawrence Tribe
01:04:08.500 for the Democratic team
01:04:10.000 arguing Bush v. Gore.
01:04:12.040 Now he's 54 years old
01:04:13.820 and I'll tell you what,
01:04:16.840 I've interviewed him
01:04:18.860 too many times to count
01:04:20.060 when I was on Fox News.
01:04:21.240 I was addicted
01:04:21.860 to SCOTUSblog.
01:04:22.540 I covered the high court
01:04:23.220 for three years for Fox
01:04:24.140 and the day
01:04:25.260 that the Obamacare decision
01:04:26.420 came out,
01:04:27.780 you may not remember this,
01:04:28.840 but almost everybody
01:04:29.880 got it wrong
01:04:30.480 and said because they found
01:04:32.700 that the Congress
01:04:35.060 didn't have the power
01:04:35.700 under the Commerce Clause
01:04:36.500 to pass Obamacare
01:04:37.440 because that was the first part
01:04:38.700 of the decision.
01:04:39.320 They did not have the power.
01:04:40.880 Everybody was like,
01:04:41.400 it's being struck down.
01:04:42.500 Obamacare is being struck down
01:04:43.520 and these know-nothing reporters
01:04:45.000 ran to the cameras
01:04:45.840 to say that
01:04:46.500 without reading the whole opinion.
01:04:48.300 But, you know,
01:04:48.820 of course I did read
01:04:49.580 the whole opinion
01:04:50.040 and I knew that
01:04:51.000 there might be more
01:04:51.760 than part one
01:04:52.340 and there was a part two
01:04:53.180 which said,
01:04:53.680 but we uphold it
01:04:54.260 under the tax clause.
01:04:55.640 Thank you,
01:04:56.080 Chief Justice John Roberts.
01:04:56.960 So I got it right
01:04:58.480 and I saved the ass
01:05:00.220 of Fox News.
01:05:01.220 Oh, we have this.
01:05:02.060 Okay, here's a little bit
01:05:03.080 of this.
01:05:03.480 So listen.
01:05:04.880 Key news here
01:05:05.640 on the Fox News channel.
01:05:07.420 The individual mandate
01:05:09.080 has been ruled
01:05:10.680 unconstitutional.
01:05:13.680 He says the individual mandate
01:05:14.840 cannot be sustained
01:05:16.200 under Congress's power
01:05:17.300 to regulate commerce.
01:05:18.520 That means the mandate
01:05:19.840 is gone.
01:05:20.720 Megan, you're seeing
01:05:21.220 something now.
01:05:21.900 We're getting
01:05:22.220 conflicting information.
01:05:23.500 We're getting
01:05:23.740 conflicting information.
01:05:24.740 If you follow
01:05:26.100 SCOTUSblog.com
01:05:27.500 which covers
01:05:28.320 the high court,
01:05:29.440 they say that
01:05:30.120 despite what
01:05:30.960 Shannon just read
01:05:32.000 that the individual mandate
01:05:33.900 is surviving
01:05:34.900 as a tax.
01:05:36.320 This is not
01:05:37.180 confirmed by us yet.
01:05:38.520 This is according
01:05:38.980 to SCOTUSblog
01:05:39.620 which also has
01:05:40.280 the opinion.
01:05:41.360 They're reporting
01:05:41.980 that the individual mandate
01:05:43.500 survives as a tax.
01:05:46.200 So it may have been
01:05:47.160 struck down
01:05:47.600 under the Commerce Clause
01:05:48.520 power but spared
01:05:50.240 under the taxing power.
01:05:52.480 Everyone's still
01:05:53.080 trying to figure this out.
01:05:54.000 It's very fluid right now.
01:05:54.720 Okay, as a result
01:05:56.740 of that, me reading
01:05:57.640 SCOTUSblog and reading
01:05:58.500 the opinion,
01:05:59.480 we were one of the
01:06:00.480 only ones to get it right.
01:06:02.140 Tom Goldstein
01:06:02.780 came on my show.
01:06:04.420 Was it later that night?
01:06:07.120 Okay, later that night.
01:06:08.560 I was in primetime.
01:06:09.480 Watch.
01:06:10.360 I owe you my thanks
01:06:11.580 because I was on
01:06:12.440 your blog this morning
01:06:13.480 as this ruling came down
01:06:15.280 and we were getting
01:06:15.760 conflicting reports
01:06:16.860 and you, as expected
01:06:18.660 and as always,
01:06:19.760 had it right.
01:06:20.780 The high court
01:06:21.500 upheld the individual
01:06:23.980 mandate but not
01:06:25.140 on the grounds
01:06:25.820 most of us expected.
01:06:27.600 The Affordable Care Act
01:06:28.580 was saved by
01:06:29.900 the conservative
01:06:30.460 chief justice,
01:06:31.360 John Roberts.
01:06:32.000 It is possible
01:06:32.820 to construe the statute
01:06:34.000 as a tax.
01:06:36.140 Okay, so why did I
01:06:37.460 take you down
01:06:37.920 that memory lane?
01:06:39.900 That's the guy
01:06:40.800 who just yesterday
01:06:42.700 got indicted
01:06:44.220 in federal court
01:06:46.180 by the Justice Department
01:06:50.200 for allegedly
01:06:51.820 I want to get
01:06:53.560 the taxes
01:06:53.920 exactly right.
01:06:55.660 I mean,
01:06:55.980 the charge
01:06:56.720 is exactly right
01:06:57.500 for not paying
01:07:00.080 his taxes.
01:07:01.420 Let's see.
01:07:02.840 Hold on.
01:07:03.160 I just want to make sure
01:07:03.740 I have it exactly.
01:07:04.640 Let me just see.
01:07:06.360 He,
01:07:07.040 the allegations
01:07:07.780 are that
01:07:08.540 he committed
01:07:09.520 tax evasion,
01:07:11.400 19 counts
01:07:12.280 of unpaid taxes,
01:07:13.680 willful failure
01:07:14.400 to pay taxes,
01:07:15.660 false and fraudulent
01:07:16.520 tax returns.
01:07:17.740 There are also
01:07:18.220 three counts
01:07:18.780 of false statements
01:07:19.620 on mortgage loans
01:07:20.960 applications
01:07:21.640 that he took out
01:07:23.080 to cover his debts.
01:07:24.740 This is,
01:07:25.380 again,
01:07:25.560 sticking with the report
01:07:26.480 on National Review,
01:07:27.580 which you guys should read
01:07:28.180 by Dan McLaughlin
01:07:28.840 called The Wild Indictment
01:07:29.800 of Tom Goldstein
01:07:30.900 of SCOTUSBlog.
01:07:32.260 And he says,
01:07:33.020 it might seem puzzling
01:07:35.040 that a man in this position
01:07:35.900 would retire from
01:07:36.680 appellate practice
01:07:37.300 in 2023.
01:07:38.160 So last year,
01:07:39.000 he stepped away
01:07:39.800 from SCOTUSBlog,
01:07:40.760 he gave up
01:07:41.260 appellate practice,
01:07:42.380 no one quite understood it.
01:07:43.580 It might seem
01:07:44.640 even odder
01:07:45.300 when juxtaposed
01:07:46.100 against Goldstein's
01:07:47.080 reputation.
01:07:48.220 He was profiled
01:07:49.080 in 2006
01:07:49.720 for the New Republic
01:07:50.900 as the hustler
01:07:51.680 for his aggressive
01:07:52.360 pursuit of clients
01:07:53.120 with cases
01:07:53.560 that were headed
01:07:53.960 for the court
01:07:54.460 or suitable
01:07:55.220 for its docket.
01:07:56.520 And so on,
01:07:57.120 talking about
01:07:57.560 what a hotshot he was.
01:07:59.180 If even half
01:08:00.020 of today's 22-count
01:08:01.540 federal indictment
01:08:02.180 of Goldstein
01:08:02.580 is to be believed,
01:08:03.840 there was a lot
01:08:05.120 to outrun
01:08:06.060 and it caught up
01:08:07.060 with Goldstein,
01:08:07.740 his alleged dark side.
01:08:09.340 He was also
01:08:10.260 an ultra-high-stakes
01:08:11.700 poker player,
01:08:12.640 frequently playing
01:08:13.420 in the United States
01:08:14.300 and abroad,
01:08:15.320 involving stakes
01:08:16.040 totaling millions,
01:08:16.980 even tens
01:08:17.680 of millions
01:08:18.040 of dollars.
01:08:18.820 He financed that
01:08:19.640 by, quote,
01:08:20.180 borrowing millions
01:08:20.800 of dollars,
01:08:21.340 this is quoting
01:08:21.720 from the indictment,
01:08:22.700 or getting people
01:08:23.380 to stake him
01:08:24.040 in exchange
01:08:24.700 for a share
01:08:25.600 of his winnings
01:08:26.300 if he won.
01:08:27.260 At times,
01:08:27.880 he won big.
01:08:28.620 The indictment
01:08:29.080 recites a 13.8 million
01:08:30.800 win in Hong Kong
01:08:31.700 in 2016
01:08:32.680 and taking a California
01:08:34.300 businessman
01:08:34.760 for 26 million
01:08:36.500 in Beverly Hills
01:08:37.820 that same year,
01:08:38.840 but he also
01:08:39.460 frequently held
01:08:40.180 gambling debts
01:08:41.100 approaching 10 million.
01:08:43.840 We'll get to the women
01:08:44.840 in a minute.
01:08:46.420 But Maureen,
01:08:46.980 and he denies
01:08:47.720 these allegations.
01:08:48.660 Okay,
01:08:48.840 I should say,
01:08:49.840 he gave a statement,
01:08:50.720 I believe it was
01:08:51.460 to Reason Magazine,
01:08:52.880 and I screen grabbed it
01:08:55.500 so I would remember
01:08:56.320 to read it,
01:08:56.860 but it was,
01:08:58.340 Mr. Goldstein
01:09:01.500 is a prominent attorney
01:09:02.380 with an impeccable reputation.
01:09:03.720 We are deeply disappointed
01:09:04.580 that the government
01:09:05.120 brought these charges
01:09:05.840 in a rush to judgment
01:09:06.660 without understanding
01:09:07.520 all of the important facts.
01:09:09.040 Our client intends
01:09:09.700 to vigorously contest
01:09:10.540 the charges,
01:09:11.380 and we expect
01:09:12.320 he will be exonerated
01:09:13.440 at trial from his lawyer.
01:09:16.000 So,
01:09:17.300 how,
01:09:17.880 let's,
01:09:18.360 if this is,
01:09:19.080 if this is true
01:09:20.400 in any way,
01:09:21.560 you have one of the most,
01:09:24.800 I mean,
01:09:25.120 top 1% prominent
01:09:26.680 attorneys in America,
01:09:28.720 and at the top,
01:09:30.000 top,
01:09:30.320 most respected place,
01:09:31.320 Supreme Court litigation,
01:09:32.380 the Supreme Court bar,
01:09:33.620 who all the justices know
01:09:35.420 and probably have cocktails with,
01:09:37.860 on this mad poker spree,
01:09:41.740 where obviously the guy,
01:09:42.820 I mean,
01:09:43.280 appears to have some sort
01:09:44.040 of a gambling addiction,
01:09:45.280 to the tune of $26 million wins
01:09:47.920 and $10 million losses.
01:09:49.860 There's an allegation
01:09:50.420 he was caught crossing the border
01:09:51.500 with a black bag that had-
01:09:52.580 The duffel bag.
01:09:53.520 Yes,
01:09:54.100 yes,
01:09:54.560 a million dollars in cash,
01:09:57.040 and one of the ways
01:09:58.140 it sounds like he got caught
01:09:59.240 was he declared that
01:10:00.180 to the customs official,
01:10:01.700 but then didn't put it down
01:10:03.240 his earnings on his taxes,
01:10:04.880 committing some massive tax fraud
01:10:07.240 where he didn't,
01:10:08.220 wasn't accounting
01:10:09.820 for all these winnings
01:10:11.840 or the losses
01:10:13.480 when he like applied
01:10:15.280 for mortgage loans
01:10:16.260 and banks need to see
01:10:17.460 what your outstanding
01:10:18.140 liabilities for.
01:10:19.300 It blows my mind, Maureen.
01:10:21.140 I don't know why,
01:10:21.860 I just feel like
01:10:22.760 someone at that level
01:10:24.460 of practice
01:10:25.000 wouldn't behave that way.
01:10:27.540 Okay.
01:10:28.500 I had a different take
01:10:30.180 while reading this indictment,
01:10:32.020 which is a ride.
01:10:33.800 Like,
01:10:34.060 when I got to the part
01:10:34.720 with the duffel bag
01:10:35.420 and I'm like,
01:10:36.200 and the women,
01:10:37.280 the women,
01:10:37.940 and I'm like,
01:10:38.300 okay,
01:10:38.460 when does the wife come in?
01:10:39.440 There's a wife here somewhere.
01:10:40.520 She comes in later
01:10:41.460 in the narrative.
01:10:42.620 But I was thinking,
01:10:43.680 like,
01:10:43.900 I would bet a guy
01:10:45.320 with this level of intellect
01:10:46.780 and a guy who probably
01:10:48.020 likes to take on risky cases,
01:10:50.320 like,
01:10:50.620 has a need
01:10:51.540 for some kind of adrenaline
01:10:53.080 like this.
01:10:53.880 And like,
01:10:54.600 in his off time,
01:10:55.700 this is relaxing to him
01:10:57.000 to maybe, like,
01:10:57.940 literally bet the house,
01:10:59.560 you know?
01:10:59.980 Yeah.
01:11:00.240 To, like,
01:11:00.580 literally owe people money
01:11:02.420 who would break your legs
01:11:04.020 or kill a loved one
01:11:05.220 if you don't pay up.
01:11:06.840 Like,
01:11:07.700 there was a part
01:11:08.460 in the indictment
01:11:09.200 where he hired,
01:11:11.000 he was going to play,
01:11:11.900 like,
01:11:11.960 a super high-stakes game,
01:11:13.160 like,
01:11:13.280 if you saw the movie
01:11:13.960 Molly's Game,
01:11:14.740 like,
01:11:14.880 you know what these rooms
01:11:15.660 are like.
01:11:16.120 Yeah.
01:11:16.820 And he hired
01:11:18.460 two professional poker players
01:11:20.500 to watch film
01:11:21.800 or basically game out
01:11:23.560 his opponents in a game
01:11:25.720 the way,
01:11:26.980 the mistakes they made,
01:11:28.860 like,
01:11:29.260 sort of break down
01:11:30.020 their psyches,
01:11:30.900 then read the mistakes
01:11:32.260 that he made.
01:11:33.360 It was like game film,
01:11:34.580 like a Tom Brady.
01:11:35.700 Yes.
01:11:36.000 You know?
01:11:36.900 And then they had
01:11:37.880 some sort of
01:11:38.380 a computer program
01:11:39.560 run,
01:11:40.000 like,
01:11:40.160 AI workouts
01:11:41.700 of how the poker game
01:11:42.800 against said person
01:11:43.720 might go
01:11:44.400 so he could anticipate
01:11:45.840 he would probably
01:11:46.780 respond like this
01:11:47.620 so then I should
01:11:48.100 respond like that.
01:11:49.480 Right.
01:11:50.120 A lot of time
01:11:50.700 was put into winning
01:11:51.360 these games.
01:11:52.280 A lot.
01:11:53.460 And the amount of,
01:11:54.700 like,
01:11:55.000 and the hubris
01:11:56.400 to, like,
01:11:56.780 go to a bank
01:11:57.480 and be like,
01:11:57.980 give me a $4 million loan
01:11:59.500 while he's got
01:12:00.460 an outstanding $10 million
01:12:01.780 personal loan
01:12:02.880 from somebody else
01:12:03.840 in Beverly Hills.
01:12:04.880 Like,
01:12:05.920 I,
01:12:06.380 this case to me
01:12:07.420 is so reminiscent
01:12:09.660 of the ongoing
01:12:10.860 Tom Girardi,
01:12:12.820 Erika Jayne scandal.
01:12:14.160 Explain who that is.
01:12:14.840 So Erika Jayne
01:12:15.640 is a cast member
01:12:16.340 of The Real Housewives
01:12:17.200 of Beverly Hills,
01:12:18.400 one of the best
01:12:19.160 of the franchise.
01:12:20.000 Yeah.
01:12:20.180 She was a much
01:12:21.420 younger trophy wife
01:12:22.500 to a very famous
01:12:23.560 criminal attorney
01:12:24.460 named,
01:12:25.560 and civil attorney,
01:12:26.460 I believe,
01:12:27.360 Tom Girardi,
01:12:28.520 who was most known
01:12:29.780 as the lawyer
01:12:31.800 who litigated
01:12:32.480 for Erin Brockovich.
01:12:34.020 Oh.
01:12:34.640 So he had that
01:12:35.400 going for him.
01:12:36.340 And he was held
01:12:37.340 in high esteem
01:12:38.080 and he moved
01:12:38.940 with all the movers
01:12:39.620 and shakers.
01:12:40.540 Turns out,
01:12:41.740 for decades,
01:12:42.680 he had been fleecing
01:12:43.620 his clients.
01:12:45.000 So he would represent,
01:12:46.400 he represented
01:12:46.980 the widows and orphans
01:12:48.880 of like one
01:12:49.820 of the biggest
01:12:50.280 plane crashes
01:12:50.920 in recent memory.
01:12:52.420 Fleeced them.
01:12:53.460 What?
01:12:53.900 Fleeced them.
01:12:54.520 How do we know?
01:12:55.020 Wait,
01:12:55.140 we're saying fleeced
01:12:55.820 based on what?
01:12:56.480 This has been found
01:12:57.000 by a jury or?
01:12:58.100 He was convicted.
01:12:58.920 Oh, oh.
01:12:59.660 And he pled dementia
01:13:01.280 at a very crucial time.
01:13:03.740 Oh, you don't know
01:13:04.680 what you're missing.
01:13:05.200 I need to get more involved
01:13:06.640 in The Real Housewives
01:13:07.340 drama.
01:13:07.680 The lawyer in you.
01:13:08.280 I know.
01:13:08.740 Some of the best TV ever.
01:13:10.300 Meanwhile,
01:13:10.940 his wife is saying,
01:13:13.640 well,
01:13:14.080 I didn't know anything
01:13:15.340 and I'm not giving up
01:13:17.020 all the jewelry
01:13:17.780 he gave me
01:13:18.460 with that dirty money.
01:13:19.800 Widows and orphans,
01:13:20.940 I don't care.
01:13:22.160 Be damned.
01:13:22.680 Widows and orphans,
01:13:23.440 be damned.
01:13:23.900 There's a great
01:13:24.880 Hulu documentary.
01:13:26.560 I think it's called
01:13:27.080 The Housewife
01:13:27.580 and the Hustler.
01:13:28.380 Oh.
01:13:28.940 And they interviewed
01:13:29.640 one of the victims
01:13:30.640 It's amazing.
01:13:31.560 They interviewed
01:13:32.000 one of the victims
01:13:32.780 that he fleeced.
01:13:34.160 I'm going to say
01:13:34.520 quote unquote fleeced.
01:13:35.780 This guy was burned
01:13:36.920 nearly beyond recognition
01:13:38.460 that he is still alive
01:13:40.240 is a miracle.
01:13:41.460 He stole
01:13:42.580 the millions
01:13:44.140 and millions
01:13:44.700 this guy was awarded.
01:13:45.720 Oh, wow.
01:13:46.120 It was just
01:13:46.540 and there were women
01:13:47.760 and there were
01:13:48.580 I mean,
01:13:49.240 it's like everything.
01:13:50.720 So that's this to me.
01:13:52.600 Like my
01:13:52.940 Okay, first of all,
01:13:54.000 if you marry
01:13:54.380 one of these Real Housewives,
01:13:55.320 you know what you're like
01:13:55.860 then I look at you differently.
01:13:57.980 I got to be honest.
01:13:58.580 Like I see you differently.
01:13:59.720 Of course.
01:14:00.360 But this guy
01:14:01.200 was the picture
01:14:02.840 of respectability.
01:14:05.200 Like this guy,
01:14:06.640 we put him on
01:14:07.720 all the time.
01:14:08.460 Everybody would.
01:14:09.040 It wasn't just Fox,
01:14:09.660 CNN, MSNBC,
01:14:10.840 all of them.
01:14:11.160 Um, and like you saw him
01:14:14.420 like it's a bald,
01:14:16.160 mild-mannered kind of
01:14:17.680 meek little guy.
01:14:19.620 Like he's not,
01:14:20.820 I don't know what I'm picturing
01:14:22.020 as your average criminal.
01:14:23.900 And again,
01:14:24.520 he denies the charges.
01:14:25.500 We'll find out
01:14:25.960 whether he's a criminal.
01:14:26.640 But on top of all
01:14:28.180 this massive gambling
01:14:29.360 and applying,
01:14:30.100 that's, that is hubris.
01:14:31.520 That's ballsy
01:14:32.220 to go to the bank
01:14:32.740 to apply for a mortgage
01:14:33.680 and not reveal
01:14:34.800 your $10 million
01:14:35.540 in gambling debt.
01:14:37.220 Um, on top of that,
01:14:39.700 they're alleging
01:14:40.720 that he was cheating
01:14:41.760 on his wife,
01:14:42.260 who's a partner
01:14:42.700 in his law firm,
01:14:43.420 um, with a bunch
01:14:46.060 of women.
01:14:46.480 I think at least
01:14:47.320 four women.
01:14:48.240 Again, back to
01:14:49.160 the National Review
01:14:49.700 report.
01:14:50.460 He was involved,
01:14:51.440 according to the indictment,
01:14:52.560 or pursued intimate
01:14:53.780 personal relationships
01:14:54.620 with at least,
01:14:55.440 oh, at least a dozen women.
01:14:56.960 Not more, not four,
01:14:58.040 12 at least,
01:14:59.400 transferring hundreds
01:15:00.540 of thousands of dollars
01:15:01.520 to them,
01:15:02.140 in addition to other costs
01:15:03.840 of their travel
01:15:04.400 and expenses.
01:15:04.860 He allegedly hired
01:15:06.380 four of them
01:15:07.420 as sham employees
01:15:09.060 of his firm
01:15:09.560 to get them
01:15:10.020 health insurance.
01:15:11.180 He was otherwise
01:15:11.980 allegedly using the firm
01:15:12.980 as a personal piggy bank
01:15:14.160 to cover his lifestyle.
01:15:15.620 That's Alex Murdoch-esque,
01:15:17.360 that last part,
01:15:18.180 where you use
01:15:18.620 the law firm money
01:15:19.500 and the Tom Girardi
01:15:21.400 kind of thing,
01:15:22.140 where if you,
01:15:22.780 if it's true
01:15:23.180 that he used
01:15:23.560 the law firm's money
01:15:24.820 to pay off gambling debts
01:15:26.060 and screwing
01:15:27.700 all your other partners
01:15:28.460 and potentially clients
01:15:29.680 and putting four
01:15:30.780 of your alleged affair partners
01:15:31.960 on the company ledger
01:15:33.320 so they can have
01:15:33.860 health insurance benefits,
01:15:34.840 I mean,
01:15:35.640 in his defense,
01:15:36.340 I'm sure it was tough
01:15:36.920 for Tom Goldstein
01:15:37.880 to get ladies.
01:15:39.420 I'm just gonna take
01:15:40.580 a shot in the dark.
01:15:41.820 100%.
01:15:42.220 But my God.
01:15:43.380 Well, you know,
01:15:44.280 the other thing about that
01:15:45.220 was, oh,
01:15:45.640 my favorite part of that
01:15:46.500 was, so apparently
01:15:47.680 one of the women
01:15:48.380 had her lawyer
01:15:50.040 go to this guy
01:15:51.500 and say,
01:15:52.080 listen,
01:15:52.540 you gotta pay us
01:15:53.460 some money
01:15:53.840 for her to keep quiet.
01:15:55.440 And he said,
01:15:57.140 don't bother.
01:15:58.460 I owe so-and-so
01:15:59.620 10,
01:16:00.060 I have so many debts
01:16:01.320 you never see the money.
01:16:02.820 Like, do what you want.
01:16:03.820 Like, I can't,
01:16:04.440 I'm not,
01:16:04.620 this is too small time
01:16:06.040 for me.
01:16:07.220 So,
01:16:08.340 the,
01:16:08.740 again,
01:16:09.240 reason.com
01:16:10.140 posted this.
01:16:12.560 It's,
01:16:12.680 it's by,
01:16:14.360 it's under the Vala conspiracy,
01:16:15.660 but I saw Reason
01:16:16.220 tweeted it out.
01:16:16.860 And they,
01:16:19.040 this guy,
01:16:19.400 Josh Blackman
01:16:19.960 did a very good piece
01:16:20.960 and he's,
01:16:22.860 he went back
01:16:23.600 and looked at all
01:16:24.680 the arguments
01:16:25.400 Tom Goldstein had
01:16:26.840 before the Supreme Court
01:16:28.040 during the relevant
01:16:29.000 time frame,
01:16:29.640 which I think was
01:16:30.080 from 2015 or 16
01:16:31.440 to 22.
01:16:32.440 And this guy was arguing
01:16:35.240 some of the biggest,
01:16:36.280 most complex,
01:16:37.180 most difficult,
01:16:37.960 challenging cases
01:16:39.020 we've had
01:16:39.820 against some of the
01:16:40.980 most formidable
01:16:41.900 adversaries,
01:16:43.200 including Paul Clement,
01:16:45.700 former solicitor general
01:16:46.820 under George W. Bush.
01:16:48.120 This guy will shred you
01:16:49.680 with his rhetorical skills.
01:16:51.040 Don't argue against
01:16:51.860 Paul Clement.
01:16:53.400 Neil Katyal,
01:16:54.580 who's a far left guy,
01:16:55.740 but he used to be
01:16:56.360 at Jones Day
01:16:56.860 and he was,
01:16:58.220 he used to be solicitor general.
01:16:59.600 I think I am pretty sure
01:17:01.180 he was under Obama.
01:17:02.160 In any event,
01:17:02.560 these are very skilled advocates
01:17:03.860 and he was going in there
01:17:05.460 and winning against
01:17:06.300 these people
01:17:06.740 while he's racking up
01:17:08.540 these millions,
01:17:09.740 tens of millions in debt
01:17:11.300 and then the next weekend
01:17:12.560 winning.
01:17:13.600 I just,
01:17:14.820 to your point about
01:17:15.460 the adrenaline,
01:17:16.700 that person's,
01:17:17.620 I don't even,
01:17:18.220 I don't recognize that
01:17:19.300 as human behavior.
01:17:20.540 I would be such a
01:17:21.880 puddle of nerves.
01:17:25.060 I know.
01:17:25.500 I'm too afraid
01:17:26.640 to commit a crime.
01:17:28.180 I'm too,
01:17:28.540 Well,
01:17:28.940 forget even about the crime.
01:17:30.280 Think about like how like
01:17:31.240 when you were starting out
01:17:32.520 in your career
01:17:33.220 or like any of us
01:17:34.360 starting out
01:17:34.920 and like,
01:17:35.640 you know,
01:17:36.120 unpaid bills
01:17:36.980 or outstanding student loan debt
01:17:38.740 can literally keep you up at night.
01:17:40.300 Like decent people are like,
01:17:41.680 Oh my God,
01:17:42.320 how am I going to pay this?
01:17:43.660 Yes.
01:17:44.000 And this guy is like,
01:17:45.280 I'm just going to take a duffel bag
01:17:46.600 and I'm going to cross
01:17:47.520 national boundaries
01:17:49.200 and I'm going to have
01:17:50.480 like,
01:17:50.980 he had like an offshore account
01:17:52.160 like in Mauritania.
01:17:53.580 Like just what,
01:17:54.680 like this is like,
01:17:55.340 I want,
01:17:56.200 I want the like scripted
01:17:57.620 and unscripted version.
01:17:58.600 Oh,
01:17:58.940 I dearly,
01:18:00.100 I would give anything
01:18:01.560 to be a fly on the wall
01:18:03.240 of the Supreme Court
01:18:04.340 justices chambers
01:18:05.300 or their next meeting.
01:18:06.560 I guarantee you
01:18:08.000 in there is
01:18:08.680 holy shit.
01:18:10.520 Have you seen the news
01:18:11.440 about Tom Goldstein?
01:18:12.620 It's just to me
01:18:13.260 it's such a juxtaposition
01:18:14.240 position of
01:18:15.120 huge respectability,
01:18:17.800 you know,
01:18:18.120 cause like,
01:18:18.640 look,
01:18:18.880 Harvey Weinstein fell
01:18:19.800 for being a predator.
01:18:21.200 Roger Ailes went down
01:18:21.940 for similar reasons.
01:18:22.940 Jeffrey Epstein,
01:18:25.580 I mean,
01:18:26.140 same times a hundred,
01:18:27.820 but like you,
01:18:29.300 you didn't really look
01:18:30.320 at any of them
01:18:30.980 and say never.
01:18:32.480 Right.
01:18:33.040 No.
01:18:33.640 Right.
01:18:34.000 The height of respectability.
01:18:35.420 Bill Cosby,
01:18:35.900 maybe.
01:18:36.360 Maybe Bill Cosby,
01:18:37.320 but like this guy,
01:18:39.780 the nerdy Supreme Court
01:18:41.480 litigator
01:18:42.160 who probably
01:18:43.100 every respectable lawyer
01:18:44.760 and judge in the country
01:18:45.700 knows,
01:18:46.220 it's just such a double life.
01:18:48.240 That's how it feels to me.
01:18:49.660 And,
01:18:49.840 and do you have to be
01:18:50.640 a sociopath to get away
01:18:51.860 to like,
01:18:52.520 that's what,
01:18:53.120 what's most intriguing.
01:18:54.180 Like,
01:18:54.700 how do you go in there
01:18:55.920 stone-faced
01:18:56.620 and argue the cases?
01:18:57.520 You know how it is
01:18:57.980 when something's stressing you out?
01:18:59.520 Think about if you were
01:19:00.200 going to get sued.
01:19:00.960 Getting sued is very stressful
01:19:02.140 and you've got a Supreme Court
01:19:03.900 argument you got to prepare for.
01:19:05.480 Oh shit.
01:19:06.260 I couldn't think about anything.
01:19:07.440 I'd be so distracted.
01:19:08.720 And this guy,
01:19:10.240 he's,
01:19:10.680 he's got to know
01:19:11.500 at some point
01:19:12.080 that he's facing
01:19:12.700 possible indictment
01:19:13.880 by the feds.
01:19:14.620 He's hiding,
01:19:15.580 allegedly,
01:19:16.820 a massive shell game of money.
01:19:18.460 And he's in there
01:19:19.040 like slicing
01:19:19.940 and dicing Paul Clement
01:19:20.940 and like,
01:19:22.120 you're built differently.
01:19:23.620 There's something missing.
01:19:24.580 There's a chip that I have
01:19:25.680 that you don't have.
01:19:26.500 Right.
01:19:26.700 No,
01:19:26.840 but that's why
01:19:27.240 it's such a great story.
01:19:28.180 And it goes to sort of
01:19:29.120 just like the world
01:19:30.020 we live in right now
01:19:30.900 where it's like
01:19:31.400 everything you see
01:19:32.580 on social media
01:19:33.440 is actually not
01:19:34.540 what's going on
01:19:35.160 in a person's actual life.
01:19:36.560 You know that story
01:19:37.300 about the,
01:19:37.900 the Hamptons
01:19:39.740 like mom fluencer
01:19:40.980 whose husband
01:19:41.680 committed suicide.
01:19:43.220 So she was all,
01:19:44.220 she had this like account.
01:19:45.340 She was like an influencer.
01:19:46.360 She was like bragging
01:19:47.520 about her Hamptons lifestyle
01:19:49.580 funded by her husband
01:19:50.700 who was like a multimillionaire.
01:19:52.240 Turns out this guy
01:19:53.100 was pulling a similar shell game
01:19:54.980 like in the weeks
01:19:56.560 before his death
01:19:57.460 was like begging people
01:19:58.700 for money
01:19:59.260 to like plug holes.
01:20:00.700 And they were finally like,
01:20:01.900 we can't,
01:20:02.800 you're untrustworthy.
01:20:03.940 He killed himself
01:20:05.100 in the garage.
01:20:06.300 Turns out he left them
01:20:07.520 penniless.
01:20:08.320 Like she had like $8,000
01:20:09.440 in the account.
01:20:10.640 Like it's this kind of thing.
01:20:12.080 It's like this,
01:20:13.280 the disconnect
01:20:14.460 between what people
01:20:15.560 present themselves to be
01:20:16.960 and what they actually are.
01:20:18.700 And it's endlessly fascinating.
01:20:20.380 Really.
01:20:21.200 One other interesting nugget
01:20:22.360 on Tom Goldstein.
01:20:24.280 This past November,
01:20:25.800 even though he'd kind of
01:20:26.980 shrunk his public presence,
01:20:28.440 right?
01:20:28.620 Like at the Supreme Court bar,
01:20:30.080 he had retired.
01:20:31.180 He shrunk,
01:20:32.280 just go to his blog,
01:20:33.240 which people had said
01:20:34.240 already had basically died
01:20:35.860 pursuant to their announcement.
01:20:37.360 They were killing it.
01:20:38.120 Um,
01:20:39.120 but in November,
01:20:40.700 okay,
01:20:41.080 November of this year,
01:20:42.760 after Trump won,
01:20:44.820 Tom Goldstein comes out
01:20:45.800 with a,
01:20:46.380 an op-ed in the New York Times
01:20:48.440 saying that all remaining
01:20:50.200 lawfare should be dropped
01:20:52.400 against him.
01:20:53.840 Which was clearly
01:20:54.900 the preemptive,
01:20:56.380 I'm on your side,
01:20:57.560 Mr. President.
01:20:58.400 And guess who he hired
01:20:59.240 to represent him?
01:21:00.400 Trump's two lawyers.
01:21:01.680 So we're looking for a pardon?
01:21:02.880 Of course.
01:21:03.540 He's definitely trying
01:21:04.560 to line himself up
01:21:05.260 for a pardon,
01:21:05.960 which is just,
01:21:06.940 ugh.
01:21:08.120 If he did it,
01:21:09.000 he shouldn't get one.
01:21:10.260 And, um,
01:21:11.580 if he didn't do it,
01:21:13.620 then let's stay open-minded
01:21:15.440 to that and we'll come on
01:21:16.940 and we'll give you
01:21:17.440 all the reporting
01:21:18.200 that the case fell apart
01:21:19.120 if and when.
01:21:20.900 Duh.
01:21:21.760 Okay.
01:21:22.640 Quick break.
01:21:23.440 Back with more
01:21:24.040 on the Justin Blake drama.
01:21:25.580 And there is drama.
01:21:26.960 Wait until you hear
01:21:28.160 the absurd text
01:21:30.160 this woman,
01:21:31.040 Blake Lively,
01:21:32.140 sent to Justin Baldoni.
01:21:34.000 It's in the lawsuit
01:21:35.020 that Brian Friedman
01:21:35.700 just filed,
01:21:36.720 comparing herself
01:21:38.520 to Khaleesi
01:21:40.760 of Game of Thrones.
01:21:42.700 Stand by.
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01:23:46.120 Okay, so as I mentioned,
01:23:47.720 the inauguration of Donald Trump
01:23:49.040 is happening on Monday.
01:23:50.060 One person who will not be there
01:23:51.620 is Michelle Obama.
01:23:53.660 And we're going to get to
01:23:54.480 some of the speculation
01:23:55.320 around why.
01:23:55.940 But first, Melania Trump
01:23:58.260 sat down with Ainsley Earhart
01:24:00.400 of Fox and Friends
01:24:01.440 on Fox
01:24:02.240 and offered a bit of a jab
01:24:05.480 against how she and Donald
01:24:07.980 were treated by the Obamas
01:24:09.260 when they took over
01:24:10.460 at the White House
01:24:11.100 as the Obamas left
01:24:12.540 first time around.
01:24:13.320 Watch.
01:24:14.900 Behind the scenes,
01:24:16.020 what is it like
01:24:16.700 when you're moving back
01:24:17.620 in the White House?
01:24:18.560 Are you,
01:24:19.280 what's different this time?
01:24:20.860 The difference is
01:24:21.700 I know where I will be going.
01:24:23.580 I know the rooms
01:24:24.900 where we will be living.
01:24:26.840 I know the process.
01:24:28.460 The first time was challenging.
01:24:30.700 We didn't have much
01:24:31.940 of the information.
01:24:33.580 The information was
01:24:34.920 upheld for us
01:24:37.280 from previous administration.
01:24:40.180 But this time,
01:24:41.000 I have everything.
01:24:41.920 So it's very different
01:24:43.620 transition this time,
01:24:45.420 second time around.
01:24:46.360 So the Obamas
01:24:49.180 did not fully share
01:24:50.620 everything that would
01:24:51.560 normally be shared
01:24:52.420 with the Trumps.
01:24:54.380 Now we see,
01:24:55.360 of course,
01:24:55.760 it must be noted,
01:24:56.700 Trump skipped
01:24:57.360 the Biden inauguration
01:24:58.900 because he was doing
01:24:59.680 his January 6th stuff.
01:25:01.880 But now you have Michelle
01:25:03.660 skipping this inauguration
01:25:06.400 and there is speculation
01:25:07.760 in the press that,
01:25:08.960 yes, it could be
01:25:09.520 because she hates Donald Trump,
01:25:11.040 but she hated
01:25:11.760 Donald Trump in 16, too,
01:25:13.900 and she went.
01:25:16.040 With a puss on her face.
01:25:17.400 Right.
01:25:18.020 But or is it because
01:25:19.300 there's trouble in paradise?
01:25:22.260 There are a bunch of reports now.
01:25:24.720 It's her birthday today
01:25:25.580 and she tweeted something out
01:25:26.920 and Barack tweeted,
01:25:27.820 I love you.
01:25:28.340 Like on paper,
01:25:29.600 they're being lovey.
01:25:30.920 But this is what's
01:25:32.460 coming up to surface.
01:25:34.160 She gave an interview,
01:25:35.560 for example,
01:25:36.300 on Jennifer Hudson's show
01:25:38.180 within the past year.
01:25:40.320 It was in December.
01:25:41.260 So it was a month ago.
01:25:43.700 And listen to her talk
01:25:44.940 about Barack here.
01:25:46.300 It's hot 16.
01:25:47.280 How's our former president doing?
01:25:49.080 He's doing okay.
01:25:50.260 He's doing all right.
01:25:51.360 Yeah, yeah.
01:25:51.980 He's still working too hard,
01:25:54.160 you know.
01:25:55.120 But I think that's something
01:25:56.640 he will always do.
01:25:59.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:26:00.200 Yeah, that was our
01:26:01.400 anniversary date.
01:26:04.640 But he's doing well,
01:26:06.700 working hard
01:26:08.620 on the Obama presidential center.
01:26:10.720 So we've been able
01:26:13.900 to get some fun dates.
01:26:15.080 That picture was us
01:26:16.120 at the U.S. Open.
01:26:17.580 And that was the first time
01:26:18.680 he got to go
01:26:19.360 to the U.S. Open in person.
01:26:21.560 But he's working hard
01:26:22.800 on the Obama presidential center,
01:26:24.740 which is on the south side
01:26:25.840 of Chicago.
01:26:26.660 I love that.
01:26:27.380 Yeah.
01:26:28.180 We're going to head
01:26:29.160 to the island
01:26:30.440 for a little sun.
01:26:31.520 Nice.
01:26:32.820 Ooh, that's the way
01:26:33.720 to spend the Christmas.
01:26:35.160 I like that.
01:26:35.580 I know.
01:26:36.120 I tell you,
01:26:36.780 that's why you got to
01:26:37.620 pick your husband right.
01:26:38.680 OK, you know,
01:26:40.340 OK, it's like he got
01:26:41.620 a lot cuter
01:26:42.500 when I found out
01:26:43.300 he was from Hawaii.
01:26:44.500 I was like, oh, OK.
01:26:46.820 That is funny.
01:26:47.960 OK, this on the heels
01:26:51.160 of reports
01:26:53.000 denied by Jennifer Aniston
01:26:54.960 that there
01:26:56.940 there may be something
01:26:58.300 going on
01:26:59.340 between Barack
01:27:00.360 and Jennifer Aniston.
01:27:01.640 But Jennifer Aniston
01:27:02.420 came out and said
01:27:03.180 this is a tabloid report
01:27:04.240 said,
01:27:05.020 I only met him once.
01:27:06.780 I know Michelle
01:27:07.340 better than I know him.
01:27:08.340 But what's going on here?
01:27:10.540 I find this fascinating.
01:27:12.300 I have been theorizing
01:27:14.120 for months
01:27:14.960 that something is up
01:27:15.820 in this marriage
01:27:16.580 because she was traveling
01:27:18.420 alone over the summer.
01:27:19.760 Not alone.
01:27:20.540 She was traveling
01:27:20.980 with billionaires,
01:27:22.260 which is how they roll now.
01:27:24.820 But he was nowhere
01:27:25.800 to be found, you know.
01:27:27.400 And they're,
01:27:29.260 I don't know,
01:27:29.940 they always sort of
01:27:30.640 sold this great love story.
01:27:32.560 And the way she's
01:27:33.460 talking about him
01:27:34.360 on the Jennifer Hudson show,
01:27:36.100 it was kind of like
01:27:36.760 a distant family member
01:27:37.840 you've ever talked to.
01:27:39.260 He's working a lot
01:27:40.820 and then he's working a lot.
01:27:42.820 And also he happens
01:27:44.700 to be working a lot.
01:27:46.080 But I'm really happy
01:27:47.020 he has a connection
01:27:47.880 to Hawaii at least.
01:27:49.040 Yeah, right.
01:27:49.840 Like I bagged a big one,
01:27:52.100 I guess.
01:27:52.360 I don't know.
01:27:53.280 And she's so,
01:27:54.740 you know,
01:27:54.940 the whole sort of like
01:27:56.040 this self-help empire
01:27:57.540 she's built for herself,
01:27:59.220 you know,
01:27:59.740 with her books
01:28:00.640 and her like journals
01:28:01.800 and everything.
01:28:03.040 It's just,
01:28:03.920 it all feels very
01:28:05.340 grubby to me.
01:28:08.240 And for her,
01:28:09.820 you know,
01:28:10.040 this country made her
01:28:10.880 a very wealthy woman.
01:28:12.040 This country made her
01:28:13.060 a very wealthy woman,
01:28:14.700 a very privileged woman.
01:28:16.620 And she can't get out of bed to,
01:28:19.180 I mean,
01:28:19.340 these people fly private.
01:28:20.760 You're not taking more than a day
01:28:22.260 to go to Jimmy Carter's funeral.
01:28:24.960 She had a scheduling conflict,
01:28:26.940 Maureen.
01:28:27.420 Listen,
01:28:28.020 if that scheduling conflict
01:28:29.140 had any import,
01:28:30.800 that conflict would have been detailed.
01:28:33.100 She had a scheduling conflict
01:28:34.360 helping with whatever,
01:28:36.680 whatever,
01:28:37.340 or she's an,
01:28:38.200 she's,
01:28:38.540 you know,
01:28:38.740 whatever.
01:28:38.860 Almost nothing.
01:28:39.740 Nothing.
01:28:40.260 Cannot be postponed.
01:28:41.380 Even a mammogram,
01:28:42.540 if you're Michelle Obama,
01:28:43.680 it could probably happen the next day.
01:28:44.860 They will wheel the machine to you.
01:28:46.320 Yes.
01:28:46.560 Okay.
01:28:47.440 So,
01:28:48.020 and I also think that now that these rumors
01:28:50.120 have been sort of circulating
01:28:51.580 and there's been speculation
01:28:53.360 in the media about what is going on,
01:28:55.560 there hasn't been a denial.
01:28:57.860 Hmm.
01:28:58.580 Wouldn't you issue a denial
01:29:00.240 if you're a prominent,
01:29:02.460 mega powerful couple like that?
01:29:04.720 Your brand is so intertwined.
01:29:05.880 But if you did not,
01:29:06.740 like that,
01:29:07.160 that there's marital trouble
01:29:08.400 or that he's having an affair
01:29:09.340 with Jennifer Aniston,
01:29:10.480 which is just crazy.
01:29:11.200 That would be amazing.
01:29:12.500 That would be,
01:29:12.960 I mean,
01:29:13.200 like who would you pick for Barack?
01:29:14.900 Like for wife number two?
01:29:16.720 I mean,
01:29:17.260 I would pick a man.
01:29:18.620 I,
01:29:19.140 I,
01:29:19.240 that's my favorite thing.
01:29:23.800 I remember when,
01:29:24.660 um,
01:29:25.040 there was this like doorstopper biography
01:29:26.900 of Barack Obama
01:29:27.680 that came out
01:29:28.380 several years ago.
01:29:29.880 Right.
01:29:30.200 And the New York times reviewed it
01:29:31.560 and basically said
01:29:32.260 nothing to see here.
01:29:33.440 And then I read somewhere else.
01:29:35.220 The big takeaway was Barack
01:29:37.160 crushing hard
01:29:38.520 on like his male college professor.
01:29:39.940 Yes,
01:29:40.120 he had gay fantasies
01:29:41.500 that he was talking
01:29:42.360 to an ex-girlfriend about.
01:29:44.120 Yeah.
01:29:44.480 And was like,
01:29:45.240 could I live as a gay man?
01:29:46.540 Cause I really dig this guy.
01:29:47.860 Like there's nothing to see here.
01:29:49.580 Yeah.
01:29:50.280 I was like,
01:29:51.200 it could be on to something.
01:29:52.020 I'm just going to say like,
01:29:53.200 I'm not sure,
01:29:54.600 but I,
01:29:54.900 I wouldn't put him down
01:29:55.800 for any second wife.
01:29:57.160 I think if those two split,
01:29:58.820 it's going to be
01:29:59.280 confirmed bachelorhood.
01:30:00.980 Oh,
01:30:01.280 interesting.
01:30:01.680 Or the duration.
01:30:03.300 That's what I predict.
01:30:04.480 I don't know whether
01:30:05.260 there's trouble in paradise
01:30:06.160 or she's just being
01:30:07.100 her normal,
01:30:07.860 miserable self.
01:30:08.520 She always has like
01:30:10.160 an unenthusiastic.
01:30:11.700 The only thing she gets
01:30:12.420 enthusiastic about
01:30:13.240 is how much she hates Trump
01:30:14.220 and our country.
01:30:15.620 Those are the things
01:30:16.200 that really seem to animate her.
01:30:18.340 It's so true.
01:30:19.080 Love for Barack
01:30:19.480 doesn't seem to be on the list.
01:30:20.600 It's so true.
01:30:21.600 Okay.
01:30:21.860 So Justin Baldoni,
01:30:22.960 he has fought back yet again.
01:30:24.940 He filed a lawsuit
01:30:25.580 against the New York times,
01:30:26.580 which he had Brian Friedman
01:30:27.520 on to discuss saying
01:30:28.460 it had done a defamatory report
01:30:30.460 on Blake Lively,
01:30:31.680 claims that she was
01:30:32.600 allegedly harassed
01:30:33.440 by this guy
01:30:34.000 when they shot the movie
01:30:35.100 It Ends With Us,
01:30:36.680 a film about domestic violence.
01:30:38.640 In that claim,
01:30:39.840 they said the Times
01:30:40.640 distorted the truth.
01:30:42.100 They did not report
01:30:43.560 text messages
01:30:44.220 which were full and complete,
01:30:46.360 which showed
01:30:46.940 a very different meaning
01:30:48.300 than the snippets
01:30:49.440 that Blake Lively
01:30:50.060 put in her complaint.
01:30:51.680 And that what in fact happened
01:30:52.960 was Justin didn't harass Blake.
01:30:54.920 Blake was interested
01:30:55.780 in wresting control
01:30:56.840 of this movie
01:30:57.380 away from Justin,
01:30:58.280 who was the director
01:30:58.880 and the producer.
01:30:59.500 She was just an actress in it
01:31:00.840 and used threats
01:31:03.040 and coercion
01:31:04.380 and bullying
01:31:05.220 to do it.
01:31:06.220 And to the point
01:31:07.060 where this guy
01:31:07.480 was in the basement
01:31:08.540 at his own movie's premiere.
01:31:11.160 Now Brian Friedman
01:31:12.160 has filed on behalf
01:31:12.920 of Justin
01:31:13.320 a lawsuit
01:31:14.180 directly against Blake,
01:31:16.100 Ryan Reynolds,
01:31:17.380 and Leslie Sloan,
01:31:18.740 their PR hack.
01:31:19.640 and they're alleging
01:31:21.300 not only did our PR team
01:31:23.720 not hurt Blake
01:31:25.620 or generate a campaign
01:31:26.900 against Blake
01:31:27.740 or do anything
01:31:28.660 to hurt Blake
01:31:29.260 last August
01:31:30.160 when she came
01:31:30.660 under negative press.
01:31:31.600 That was organic
01:31:32.620 because of her own bad behavior.
01:31:34.420 But you guys
01:31:35.600 were the ones out there
01:31:36.800 generating negative press
01:31:38.120 against Justin.
01:31:39.460 You bullies
01:31:40.380 were the ones
01:31:41.060 who were trying
01:31:41.680 to ruin Justin
01:31:42.980 so you could have your way
01:31:44.680 on all the scenes
01:31:45.400 and all the wardrobe
01:31:46.220 and all the control
01:31:47.440 and you could feel
01:31:48.600 like the producer
01:31:49.380 and the director
01:31:50.140 when you weren't.
01:31:51.900 And it's full
01:31:52.960 of text messages
01:31:54.020 and details
01:31:56.040 about meetings
01:31:57.280 like the one
01:31:57.800 they had with
01:31:58.520 Ryan Reynolds,
01:31:59.380 Blake Lively,
01:32:00.140 Justin Baldoni,
01:32:01.040 and apparently
01:32:01.520 though the name
01:32:02.000 is blacked out
01:32:02.560 there's an assumption
01:32:03.260 well-founded
01:32:04.320 that it's Taylor Swift,
01:32:06.240 her BFF,
01:32:07.280 at the Reynolds
01:32:08.260 penthouse in Manhattan
01:32:09.600 where Ryan Reynolds
01:32:11.080 allegedly bullied
01:32:12.320 Justin so badly
01:32:13.440 that a Sony representative
01:32:15.240 who was there,
01:32:15.960 the production team
01:32:16.760 behind the movie,
01:32:17.440 and her biggest
01:32:18.300 takeaway was
01:32:19.080 I am very sorry
01:32:20.420 that I let him
01:32:21.420 get away with
01:32:22.020 doing that to Justin.
01:32:23.500 It was so nasty.
01:32:25.240 This guy who's
01:32:25.840 just the damn husband
01:32:26.940 and now you see
01:32:29.280 text messages
01:32:29.880 in this lawsuit
01:32:30.780 from Blake Lively
01:32:32.640 comparing herself
01:32:35.240 to the heroine
01:32:37.520 of Game of Thrones,
01:32:38.780 the fiercest
01:32:39.580 female character
01:32:40.540 we've seen in years,
01:32:42.920 Khaleesi.
01:32:47.440 That's her riding
01:32:53.720 her dragon.
01:32:54.800 She's the mother
01:32:55.560 of dragons
01:32:56.180 in Game of Thrones
01:32:57.100 and that's what
01:32:58.460 Blake Lively says
01:32:59.620 in a text message
01:33:00.500 that she too
01:33:01.720 has her dragons,
01:33:03.860 Ryan Reynolds
01:33:04.480 and Taylor Swift.
01:33:06.960 That's, again,
01:33:07.840 believed to be
01:33:08.280 the other person
01:33:08.940 and that they
01:33:10.940 are powerful advocates
01:33:12.460 for her
01:33:13.540 and while it
01:33:14.640 seems to be said
01:33:15.480 like,
01:33:16.320 I'm so lucky
01:33:17.120 that I have them
01:33:18.080 as great storytellers
01:33:19.100 to help me
01:33:19.500 rewrite this script,
01:33:20.980 what Brian Friedman
01:33:21.880 alleges is,
01:33:22.820 you'll go along
01:33:24.700 or I'll unleash
01:33:25.680 my dragons on you,
01:33:26.940 you loser
01:33:27.880 who no one's
01:33:28.480 ever heard of.
01:33:29.040 This lawsuit
01:33:30.820 is incredible.
01:33:33.120 It has it all.
01:33:34.320 I can't believe
01:33:34.840 neither side
01:33:35.720 is like giving in.
01:33:36.960 They're like digging
01:33:37.560 in further.
01:33:38.680 It feels like
01:33:40.440 a very twisted
01:33:42.120 rom-com to me.
01:33:43.480 Like,
01:33:43.980 the hatred
01:33:44.780 on both sides
01:33:46.080 is so intense
01:33:47.080 it makes you wonder
01:33:48.080 if there was like
01:33:49.340 a deep attraction
01:33:50.660 that whether it was
01:33:51.800 consummated or not.
01:33:53.040 It's very interesting.
01:33:54.320 You can,
01:33:55.560 like,
01:33:55.780 if somebody
01:33:56.900 sort of
01:33:57.560 really
01:33:59.020 is doing something
01:34:00.040 that's like
01:34:00.500 aggravating
01:34:01.400 or trying to
01:34:02.260 get in your way
01:34:03.200 professionally,
01:34:03.800 whatever,
01:34:04.420 if you don't really
01:34:05.640 care about them,
01:34:06.200 you just try to get
01:34:06.720 around them.
01:34:07.340 Yes.
01:34:07.660 You don't try to go
01:34:08.320 through them
01:34:08.980 or like work it out
01:34:09.940 with them.
01:34:10.120 You have your assistant
01:34:11.040 or your agent
01:34:11.560 deal with it
01:34:12.040 if you're not.
01:34:12.680 Yeah,
01:34:12.700 you just,
01:34:13.000 whatever,
01:34:13.320 but like these two
01:34:14.240 are like in it.
01:34:15.820 They are in it
01:34:17.380 and it's like,
01:34:19.120 I've,
01:34:20.760 I think,
01:34:21.660 I think it's
01:34:22.100 extremely strange.
01:34:23.380 I want to know more
01:34:24.260 about the presence
01:34:25.100 of Taylor Swift
01:34:26.100 who sort of leads
01:34:27.680 this like mean girl
01:34:28.620 click.
01:34:29.200 There was this thing
01:34:30.280 happening over the summer
01:34:31.320 that the Daily Mail
01:34:32.020 reported on
01:34:32.740 where there were
01:34:33.840 other female artists
01:34:35.000 such as Billie Eilish
01:34:36.140 who were releasing
01:34:36.860 albums in the,
01:34:38.820 in the sort of
01:34:39.820 tailwinds of
01:34:41.280 her last release.
01:34:43.020 I forget what it was called.
01:34:44.020 I'm just so
01:34:44.680 oversaturated with Taylor Swift.
01:34:46.440 But anyway,
01:34:47.080 she was manipulating
01:34:48.060 all of her new releases
01:34:49.260 to keep these women
01:34:50.240 from hitting number one.
01:34:51.620 It was just a ploy
01:34:53.380 to keep them.
01:34:54.360 And Billie Eilish's people
01:34:56.420 were like,
01:34:56.940 that's what's happening.
01:34:58.040 That's what's happening.
01:34:59.240 And it's,
01:34:59.680 it's really shitty
01:35:00.480 for someone who claims
01:35:01.440 to be a champion
01:35:02.720 of fellow women
01:35:03.580 and female artists
01:35:04.740 to be doing,
01:35:05.240 like let someone else
01:35:06.220 have it.
01:35:06.660 Right.
01:35:06.960 Like let someone,
01:35:07.600 you know.
01:35:07.960 No.
01:35:08.300 So this is who she runs with
01:35:09.940 and that tells me everything.
01:35:11.060 And like,
01:35:12.020 I just,
01:35:12.760 to sit there
01:35:13.260 and have your husband
01:35:14.240 bully your director.
01:35:16.900 Yes.
01:35:17.240 You know,
01:35:17.420 like if you don't,
01:35:18.300 if you don't like this,
01:35:19.060 have the balls
01:35:19.640 to do it yourself.
01:35:20.500 Right.
01:35:20.860 Like don't have your husband
01:35:21.860 throw his weight around.
01:35:22.620 Why would you have a meeting
01:35:22.820 with your husband?
01:35:23.520 That's so weird.
01:35:24.160 Like your husband
01:35:24.760 who's Ryan Reynolds,
01:35:25.640 of course it was a threat.
01:35:26.880 And in your penthouse,
01:35:27.980 like on your home turf,
01:35:29.380 like using your wealth
01:35:30.600 as leverage.
01:35:31.940 Right.
01:35:32.180 Like showing off.
01:35:33.060 And your friend Taylor.
01:35:34.240 And your friend Taylor
01:35:35.180 who's like,
01:35:35.580 what is she doing there?
01:35:36.520 Is she just like
01:35:37.020 scrolling Instagram?
01:35:37.820 One of my dragons.
01:35:38.540 What is she,
01:35:39.140 like that is just wild.
01:35:41.800 I think,
01:35:42.200 you know,
01:35:42.420 he'll learn a lot from this,
01:35:43.900 you know,
01:35:44.240 and hopefully,
01:35:44.800 you know,
01:35:45.400 and it's wonderful
01:35:46.540 that we're in this era
01:35:47.360 we're in right now
01:35:48.200 where like people
01:35:48.800 don't automatically
01:35:49.580 take the woman's account
01:35:52.180 of what happened.
01:35:52.820 They were until Brian
01:35:53.920 filed that lawsuit
01:35:54.680 against the times.
01:35:55.540 Everybody was like,
01:35:55.980 we got it wrong
01:35:56.520 on Blake Lively last summer.
01:35:57.940 That was not an organic
01:35:59.700 negative press experience
01:36:01.780 like that.
01:36:02.200 And they're wrong.
01:36:03.200 There was plenty
01:36:04.140 of organic negative press
01:36:06.140 about Blake Lively last summer
01:36:07.240 that there's been
01:36:08.100 absolutely no proof
01:36:08.780 any of it originated
01:36:09.600 with Justin.
01:36:10.140 My favorite part
01:36:11.860 of what I've read
01:36:12.760 of this suit so far
01:36:13.860 is that Blake Lively
01:36:15.360 did not even read
01:36:17.020 the book
01:36:17.500 that the movie
01:36:18.640 was based on.
01:36:19.340 And we're not talking
01:36:20.100 War and Peace.
01:36:21.100 This is a book
01:36:21.800 that's probably written
01:36:22.640 at a second grade
01:36:23.440 reading level.
01:36:24.160 Yeah.
01:36:24.500 And then she wanted to,
01:36:25.960 she like,
01:36:27.060 Ixnayed
01:36:28.700 all of the wardrobe choices
01:36:29.900 because when you're
01:36:30.740 making a movie
01:36:31.280 about a poor woman
01:36:32.220 who's suffering
01:36:32.860 from domestic violence,
01:36:34.380 you want her to look
01:36:35.380 like she has money.
01:36:36.940 Right.
01:36:37.720 That Blake said.
01:36:38.720 That's what she did.
01:36:39.260 She looks like she has money
01:36:40.880 and she's dressing
01:36:41.780 in florals
01:36:42.620 and then she's going
01:36:43.260 on this press tour
01:36:44.320 pushing her liquor line
01:36:46.600 and her hair care line
01:36:48.560 because that's what women
01:36:50.040 who are trying to escape
01:36:52.140 with their lives
01:36:52.980 are worried about.
01:36:53.780 That's what generated
01:36:54.480 her negative press
01:36:55.360 and led to a series of clips
01:36:57.900 of her being insensitive
01:36:59.160 in one way,
01:37:00.300 shape,
01:37:00.500 or form
01:37:00.900 with other interviewers
01:37:02.300 in the past.
01:37:03.920 She has no one to blame
01:37:04.940 but herself for that.
01:37:06.400 It's like,
01:37:07.200 even if he did orchestrate
01:37:08.760 this campaign,
01:37:09.300 and there's been
01:37:09.600 zero proof he did.
01:37:10.520 In fact,
01:37:10.780 there's proof to the contrary.
01:37:12.940 So what?
01:37:13.480 You provided the clips.
01:37:14.500 You did it.
01:37:15.340 Right.
01:37:15.460 You know,
01:37:15.600 like,
01:37:15.800 nobody made you berate
01:37:18.400 that young woman
01:37:19.140 who said,
01:37:19.880 oh,
01:37:20.240 your little bump is cute
01:37:22.060 when she was eight months pregnant
01:37:23.380 and then she takes a shot
01:37:24.700 at her like,
01:37:25.240 oh,
01:37:25.440 so is your baby bump
01:37:26.460 to a non-pregnant interviewer
01:37:28.560 who's basically just trying
01:37:29.660 to acknowledge the obvious
01:37:31.020 in the interview.
01:37:31.840 And just establish
01:37:32.420 a little rapport.
01:37:33.540 Yes.
01:37:33.660 Just a little friendly rapport.
01:37:34.740 Like,
01:37:34.880 is that too much to do?
01:37:36.780 Like,
01:37:37.000 this is part of why
01:37:37.800 you're getting paid
01:37:38.560 millions and millions of dollars.
01:37:40.080 The press tour
01:37:40.940 is part of that pay package.
01:37:42.960 Right.
01:37:43.200 You have to show up
01:37:43.920 with a smile on your face
01:37:44.980 and be polite to people
01:37:46.060 who are not lobbing,
01:37:47.760 you know,
01:37:48.480 difficult questions at you.
01:37:49.820 They're softballs.
01:37:50.600 I have to say,
01:37:51.080 my favorite actress,
01:37:53.300 the person who I think
01:37:54.760 handles almost all of these things
01:37:56.300 perfectly,
01:37:57.220 is Kate Winslet.
01:37:59.160 I just think she does very well
01:38:00.520 in these interviews.
01:38:01.280 Like,
01:38:01.440 she seems real to me.
01:38:02.560 She seems honest.
01:38:03.580 She's self-deprecating.
01:38:05.660 I just,
01:38:06.420 like,
01:38:06.840 she's not perfect either,
01:38:07.920 but I just feel like
01:38:08.580 more times than not,
01:38:11.100 she gets it right
01:38:12.080 as opposed to like
01:38:12.740 trying to puff herself up.
01:38:13.920 Right.
01:38:14.300 You know,
01:38:14.700 it's kind of being
01:38:15.120 self-deprecating usually.
01:38:16.480 The Brits are great at that.
01:38:17.340 Yeah.
01:38:17.720 Anyway,
01:38:18.080 she could take a lesson here.
01:38:19.040 This is just posted
01:38:19.900 to your publication
01:38:20.600 in the Daily Mail
01:38:21.140 a few minutes ago.
01:38:22.480 Taylor is proud of the film
01:38:24.480 because her music
01:38:25.720 was featured in it,
01:38:26.720 which gave her
01:38:27.200 a sense of involvement,
01:38:28.360 though she wasn't fully aware
01:38:29.520 of the extent
01:38:29.980 of the project's developments.
01:38:31.180 Her,
01:38:31.460 I guess it's her rep said,
01:38:32.920 quote,
01:38:33.120 she is confused
01:38:34.220 by the claims in the suit
01:38:35.360 as her connection to Blake
01:38:36.580 is purely a friendship
01:38:37.360 with no interest
01:38:38.000 in influencing
01:38:38.540 or controlling Blake's projects.
01:38:39.880 End quote.
01:38:40.600 The source insisted,
01:38:41.500 okay,
01:38:41.680 so it's not a named,
01:38:42.640 but the source insisted
01:38:43.420 that Taylor
01:38:44.000 did not purposefully
01:38:46.100 plan to be there
01:38:47.460 during the meeting,
01:38:48.240 but it sounds like
01:38:48.800 an admission she was there.
01:38:50.280 Instead,
01:38:50.640 they said she was simply
01:38:51.840 coming over to hang out
01:38:52.820 with her pal,
01:38:53.680 but arrived while the meeting,
01:38:55.140 which was supposed
01:38:55.760 to have been wrapped up,
01:38:57.120 was still going.
01:38:57.820 Okay,
01:38:58.040 so she was at the meeting
01:38:59.280 and,
01:39:00.640 you know,
01:39:01.460 they're saying
01:39:02.040 that she was being presented
01:39:03.940 implicitly by Blake
01:39:06.080 as her other dragon,
01:39:07.800 her threat.
01:39:08.620 But to your point
01:39:09.140 about the alleged,
01:39:09.880 like,
01:39:10.420 sexual tension
01:39:11.380 between these two,
01:39:12.780 if you look
01:39:13.200 at the full complaint,
01:39:14.000 there are texts
01:39:14.620 between them
01:39:15.340 like that go on
01:39:16.500 and on
01:39:17.080 about their connection
01:39:18.260 and how he really
01:39:19.680 likes her,
01:39:20.640 he loves his version
01:39:21.460 of her,
01:39:21.960 but he loves
01:39:22.380 the other version
01:39:22.920 of her too
01:39:23.520 at 11 o'clock at night.
01:39:25.700 And I'm telling you,
01:39:26.540 it's felt flirty to me.
01:39:27.840 I'm like,
01:39:28.860 I don't generally text
01:39:30.220 with other men,
01:39:31.220 even men I work with
01:39:32.160 at 11 o'clock at night
01:39:33.140 unless there's breaking news.
01:39:34.520 It's my executive producer
01:39:35.560 and I'm like,
01:39:36.060 I need to get on a plane.
01:39:37.360 Right.
01:39:37.800 And it's not like
01:39:38.860 how I love this version
01:39:39.960 of you.
01:39:42.980 You're really speaking
01:39:44.100 to me today.
01:39:45.460 Like,
01:39:45.880 that is weird.
01:39:46.960 He's laughing
01:39:47.380 in my ear right now.
01:39:49.060 So,
01:39:49.880 you know,
01:39:50.420 I,
01:39:50.980 there could be
01:39:51.520 a situation
01:39:52.080 where that's what upset
01:39:53.300 Ryan Reynolds so much.
01:39:55.080 Oh,
01:39:55.320 that's,
01:39:55.660 that's a great,
01:39:56.620 yep,
01:39:57.020 yep,
01:39:57.300 because what they,
01:39:57.880 what they're saying
01:39:58.360 is you fat shamed
01:39:59.620 my wife.
01:40:00.320 And that's another thing
01:40:01.080 they allege
01:40:01.420 in the Brian Friedman lawsuit
01:40:02.340 that that's what they put out
01:40:04.560 that he fat shamed her
01:40:05.440 because he allegedly
01:40:06.040 went to her trainer
01:40:06.780 to ask how much she weighed
01:40:08.320 because he had to lift her
01:40:09.520 in a scene.
01:40:10.020 Yes,
01:40:10.520 and they write about
01:40:11.540 how he's got this
01:40:12.380 debilitating disc condition
01:40:14.460 for which he was hospitalized
01:40:16.000 when the movie wrapped.
01:40:17.200 It's not made up,
01:40:18.080 it's real.
01:40:18.820 And he did need to know
01:40:20.200 how much he was going
01:40:20.940 to have to weigh.
01:40:21.780 She lied and said
01:40:23.000 that there was no scene
01:40:24.140 like that.
01:40:24.640 And then they allege here
01:40:25.480 that's because she had it cut.
01:40:27.840 Amazing.
01:40:28.460 There's just so much more
01:40:29.280 to this story
01:40:29.700 and the media's already
01:40:30.520 like self-flagellating.
01:40:31.960 Oh,
01:40:32.160 we were too mean to Blake.
01:40:34.140 She didn't deserve
01:40:35.220 the few negative things
01:40:36.680 that were said about her.
01:40:37.980 She's been bullied
01:40:38.840 and harassed.
01:40:39.820 This is also because
01:40:40.940 like they have all the power
01:40:42.200 of this guy.
01:40:42.800 It was his first movie.
01:40:44.080 He was on like one show
01:40:45.360 before this.
01:40:46.280 He bought the rights
01:40:47.280 to this mega selling book
01:40:48.960 and has,
01:40:50.080 I believe,
01:40:50.440 the rights to the sequel.
01:40:51.340 And I think that's something
01:40:52.220 else they're fighting over.
01:40:53.360 Yes.
01:40:53.720 Because the studio
01:40:54.420 definitely wants a sequel
01:40:55.640 because this movie
01:40:56.440 did really well.
01:40:57.860 So,
01:40:58.820 I mean,
01:40:59.220 first we're going to get
01:40:59.900 the reality version
01:41:00.780 of this playing out.
01:41:02.060 suit and I can't wait.
01:41:04.500 I can't wait for the suit
01:41:05.500 into oblivion.
01:41:06.260 You're definitely not going
01:41:06.880 to see the two of them
01:41:07.540 starring in a sequel.
01:41:09.040 Maureen,
01:41:10.020 you're the best.
01:41:11.240 You're the best.
01:41:11.920 Such a pleasure.
01:41:12.820 Isn't she great,
01:41:13.520 you guys?
01:41:13.960 All right,
01:41:14.140 we're back on Monday
01:41:14.880 from a very cold
01:41:16.080 but indoor
01:41:17.640 President Trump inauguration.
01:41:20.180 What a day for America.
01:41:21.800 We'll have it covered for you.
01:41:24.680 Thanks for listening
01:41:25.480 to The Megyn Kelly Show.
01:41:26.800 No BS,
01:41:27.460 no agenda,
01:41:28.700 and no fear.
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