The Megyn Kelly Show - New Details About Cause of Helicopter-Plane Crash, Trump and Zelensky Face-To-Face： AM Update 4⧸28

00:00:00.000 Good morning, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. It's Monday, April 28th, 2025. And this is your

00:00:08.480 AM Update. New reporting on January's crash between a Black Hawk helicopter and a commercial

00:00:14.260 airliner reveals a chain of failures that led to disaster.

00:00:18.800 Human existence does not end in the tomb, but in our father's house, in a life of happiness

00:00:27.640 that will know no end. Thousands of mourners gather in Rome to celebrate the funeral of the late Pope

00:00:34.440 Francis. The last thing you want to do is give one of the two sides an excuse to walk away from this

00:00:39.840 effort. Secretary Rubio says Ukraine and Russia are closer to peace than ever before following a

00:00:45.440 face-to-face meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky in Rome. At this

00:00:51.220 year's White House Correspondents' Dinner, no jokes, no president, no fun of any kind. All that

00:00:57.500 and more coming up in just a moment on your AM Update.

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00:02:05.820 The New York Times with a massive investigative story over the weekend on the fatal January 29th

00:02:15.440 crash at Ronald Reagan National Airport involving an Army Black Hawk helicopter and an American Airlines

00:02:21.380 regional jet, resulting in the deaths of 67 people. The report, based on government documents,

00:02:27.540 audio recordings of the air traffic controllers in the moments leading up to the crash,

00:02:31.260 and expert interviews outlines a series of missteps leading to the tragedy. We are learning for the

00:02:37.420 first time that the helicopter's mission that night was conducting an annual evaluation of Captain

00:02:43.680 Rebecca Lobach, who joined the Army in 2019. Her assignment, simulating an emergency evacuation of

00:02:50.760 senior government officials from Washington after an attack. The Times report marks the first public

00:02:56.680 confirmation that Captain Lobach was at the controls of the Black Hawk at the time of the crash.

00:03:02.820 While Captain Lobach was the highest-ranking soldier on board, her instructor, Chief Warrant Officer

00:03:08.220 Andrew Lloyd Eaves, had logged more than twice as many flight hours. The report describes a series of

00:03:13.740 factors leading up to the crash, including an air traffic control operator potentially stretched too thin,

00:03:19.420 the use of night vision goggles potentially distorting the pilot's depth perception at critical moments,

00:03:24.920 and the activation of a rarely used runway. The Times also reporting the Black Hawk was flying above

00:03:31.200 its authorized altitude. Quote, as the helicopter approached the key bridge from which it would

00:03:36.980 fly south along the river, Warrant Officer Eaves stated that it was at 300 feet and descending to

00:03:43.180 200 feet, necessary because the maximum height for this route, closer to the airport, had dropped to

00:03:48.760 200 feet. But even as it reached that juncture, Warrant Officer Eaves evidently felt obliged to repeat

00:03:55.980 his instruction. The Black Hawk was at 300 feet, he said, and needed to descend. Captain Lobach said she

00:04:03.100 would, but two and a half minutes later, the Black Hawk still was above 200 feet, a dangerously high

00:04:09.600 level. The report also indicating a breakdown in radio communication. As the controller attempted to

00:04:15.820 guide them, cockpit recordings suggest key instructions to reroute were cut off. The Black Hawk crew again

00:04:22.040 confirming they had the passenger jet in sight, and for the second time requested visual separation.

00:04:29.140 When they asked the first time, they had received approval, meaning they on the helicopter would take

00:04:33.940 responsibility for avoiding the jet. From the report, quote, the Black Hawk was 15 seconds away from

00:04:39.580 crossing paths with the jet. Warrant Officer Eaves then turned his attention to Captain Lobach. He told her

00:04:45.600 he believed that air traffic control wanted them to turn left toward the East River Bank. Turning left

00:04:50.680 would have opened up more space between the helicopter and flight 5342, which was heading for runway 33 at

00:04:56.820 an altitude of roughly 300 feet. She did not turn left. The Black Hawk collided with American Airlines flight

00:05:04.320 5342 as it was moments away from landing at Reagan National Airport. In the wake of the crash, the FAA banned

00:05:10.900 most helicopter flights near this airport. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy in March

00:05:16.000 saying the tragedy must serve as a lesson. We're going to make sure we've learned from this air

00:05:21.540 disaster, and we're going to pay it forward so there's not other families that have to go through

00:05:27.380 the pain and anguish of losing a loved one like these families had to go through. The National

00:05:32.420 Transportation Safety Board is expected to release its final report on the crash by early 2026.

00:05:37.780 On Friday, the FBI arresting Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan, charging her with

00:05:46.880 obstruction and concealing an individual to prevent his discovery and arrest. According to the criminal

00:05:53.260 complaint, six ICE task force agents arrived dressed in plain clothes at the courthouse on April 18th.

00:05:59.920 They were armed with an active warrant for 30-year-old Eduardo Flores Ruiz, who was appearing that morning

00:06:05.920 on three domestic abuse charges. Upon learning the task force was in the building, Judge Dugan became

00:06:12.300 visibly angry, initially ordering the agents to leave, then directing them to go and speak with the chief

00:06:18.220 judge. One member of the task force, a DEA agent not initially recognized as part of the group, remained

00:06:24.540 stationed outside of the courtroom while the others were directed to the chief judge's office. Another agent

00:06:29.940 returned to the hallway shortly thereafter. While most of the agents were in discussion with court

00:06:34.480 leadership, the complaint alleges Judge Dugan personally escorted Mr. Flores Ruiz and his attorney out of the

00:06:42.120 courtroom through a secured jury door leading into a restricted area. Mr. Flores Ruiz and his attorney then made

00:06:50.080 their way to a different elevator farther from the courtroom and exited the building. Two DEA agents not occupied by the

00:06:58.040 chief judge spotted Mr. Flores Ruiz moving through the hallway and alerted the rest of the team. Agents then

00:07:04.040 scrambled to locate Mr. Flores Ruiz outside the courthouse, and when law enforcement identified

00:07:09.540 themselves, he ran. Agents apprehending Mr. Flores Ruiz after a short chase. Judge Dugan's arrest one week

00:07:17.420 later, sending shockwaves through the media, though I don't know why, Rachel Maddow, Lester Holt, and Chris Hayes

00:07:24.440 sounding the alarm. But if this feels like an insane and reckless escalation from the Trump

00:07:30.540 administration arresting a judge, I will tell you, you are not alone. Her arrest also marking a new

00:07:36.220 flashpoint in the administration's verbal attacks on judges who have ruled against parts of the Trump

00:07:42.320 immigration agenda. Much of what this is about, which became almost immediately clear, is making an

00:07:47.960 example out of her for other judges around the country. CNN legal analyst Ellie Honig taking a more

00:07:53.700 measured approach, you know, the legal one. Looking at the complaint, let's strip the politics out of

00:07:59.520 it. This is a crime. If they can prove what happened here, it is a crime. This judge, let's

00:08:06.120 strip the Trump of it all out. Let's strip the immigration of it all out. Let's say law enforcement 0.86

00:08:10.920 shows up at a building with an arrest warrant. They're looking for person A. Person B then says,

00:08:16.720 hey, there's a secret escape door out back. I'm going to show you the way and then ushers that person

00:08:20.940 out the back door. That is textbook obstruction. Attorney General Pam Bondi on Friday sending a

00:08:26.740 warning. The Trump administration will not tolerate anyone getting in the way of lawful deportation

00:08:32.240 efforts. They're deranged is all I can think of. I cannot believe I think some of these judges think

00:08:38.200 they are beyond and above the law and they are not. And we're sending a very strong message today.

00:08:44.360 If you are harboring a fugitive, we don't care who you are. If you are helping hide one,

00:08:49.560 we will come after you and we will prosecute you. We will find you.

00:08:57.640 On Saturday, more than 250,000 mourners flocking to the Vatican, paying respects to the late Pope

00:09:04.140 Francis. The pontiff passing away one week ago at 88 from stroke and heart failure. Foreign delegations

00:09:10.760 from 164 countries attending the funeral held in St. Peter's Square, including President Trump and

00:09:16.840 First Lady Melania Trump, French President Emmanuel Macron, Britain's Prince William, and Ukrainian

00:09:22.340 President Volodymyr Zelensky. The pontiff lying in state for three days in a simple wooden coffin

00:09:28.140 resting at floor level, emphasizing Pope Francis's view of himself as a humble shepherd. Public viewing

00:09:35.300 of the Pope's body ending on Friday evening with church officials led by the acting head of the church,

00:09:40.580 Cardinal Camerlengo, Kevin Farrell, performing the traditional ceiling of the coffin, a ritual formally

00:09:46.740 closing the period of mourning and preparing the body for burial. The funeral mass celebrated by

00:09:51.800 Cardinal Giovanni Battista Ray, the dean of the College of Cardinals, reflecting Pope Francis's

00:09:57.260 lifelong commitment to humility marked by simple rituals, solemn prayers, and a stripped-down ceremony

00:10:03.860 by Vatican standards. We are gathered with sad hearts in prayer around his mortal remains, yet we are

00:10:15.440 sustained by the certainty of faith which assures us that human existence does not end in the tomb,

00:10:24.820 but in our Father's house, in a life of happiness that will know no end.

00:10:32.540 The funeral procession departing St. Peter's Square, winding through the streets of Rome,

00:10:37.380 tens of thousands of mourners lining the route, many cheering and waving at the sight of the

00:10:41.760 Popemobile carrying the late pontiff, others overcome with tears, a mix of celebration and deep sorrow.

00:10:48.600 The nearly four-mile procession ending at the Basilica of St. Mary Major, one of Pope Francis's

00:10:54.180 most beloved places of prayer. Breaking with tradition, Pope Francis choosing to be laid to rest there

00:10:59.800 rather than beneath St. Peter's Basilica, like most of his predecessors. Now the Vatican turning its

00:11:05.640 focus to the conclave that will elect the next Pope. The highly secretive deliberations among

00:11:11.660 cardinals, the senior leadership of the Catholic Church set to begin within 15 to 20 days of the

00:11:17.320 Pope's death, though the timeline could move faster if all eligible cardinals arrive in Rome and agree

00:11:23.040 to proceed. The only glimpse into the deliberations comes through smoke signals issued twice a day from the

00:11:29.040 Sistine Chapel. Black smoke signaling, no decision. White smoke signaling, we have a new Pope.

00:11:36.160 Cardinals meeting this morning in Rome to set the official start date for the conclave.

00:11:41.380 Coming up, President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky meet face-to-face at Pope Francis's funeral

00:11:47.380 as the administration enters a critical week for peace talks with Russia. And the corporate media

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00:13:03.440 President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky on Saturday meeting face-to-face in St. Peter's

00:13:09.140 Basilica ahead of Pope Francis's funeral. The two presidents seated practically knee-to-knee in chairs

00:13:15.200 set out by church officials specifically for their private conversation. Earlier in the day,

00:13:20.400 President Trump posting on Truth Social, quote,

00:13:22.660 The two sides should now meet at very high levels to finish it off. Most of the major points are agreed

00:13:28.200 to. Stop the bloodshed. Now. We will be wherever is necessary to help facilitate the end to this cruel

00:13:34.720 and senseless war. The backdrop to Saturday's meeting last week, Ukraine rejecting a U.S.-backed

00:13:41.040 peace proposal, criticizing it as too biased toward Russia. In response, Russian President

00:13:46.180 Vladimir Putin launching a wave of missile strikes against Ukrainian civilian targets.

00:13:51.920 Shortly after the conversation with President Zelensky, President Trump again posting to Truth

00:13:56.380 Social, writing, quote, There was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas,

00:14:01.320 cities, and towns over the last few days. It makes me think that maybe he doesn't want to stop the war.

00:14:06.740 He's just tapping me along and has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary

00:14:12.160 sanctions. Too many people are dying. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Sunday telling NBC the U.S.-led

00:14:19.300 peace effort between Ukraine and Russia has made real progress, but warning that the coming week

00:14:24.360 will be critical. This is not an issue of trust. It's an issue of building in these sorts of things,

00:14:29.360 verification, security guarantees, things that have been discussed in the past. All these things are

00:14:33.860 being talked about here. All of these things. The last thing you want to do is give some side,

00:14:38.120 one of the two sides, an excuse to walk away from this effort. We're just trying to achieve peace.

00:14:42.460 At the end of the day, let me remind everybody, what we are trying to do is end a war that has cost a

00:14:46.800 lot of money to us, to our allies, cost a lot of lives, destroyed a lot of lives, forced people by the 0.83

00:14:52.500 millions to leave their country, millions of Ukrainians that no longer live in the country

00:14:55.880 and have not been able to come back. We just want all this to stop. Instead of rooting against

00:15:00.220 President Trump, everyone should be hopeful that President Trump can bring this war to an end

00:15:04.160 because it truly, at this point, is not good for anybody. The secretary adding that while both sides

00:15:09.340 are closer to a deal than at any time in the past three years, the final steps remain the hardest.

00:15:14.680 Mr. Rubio making clear the U.S. cannot continue pouring time and resources into the negotiations

00:15:19.300 indefinitely and will reassess its involvement if real progress is not made in the days ahead.

00:15:28.100 On Saturday in Washington, D.C., the White House Correspondents Association holding

00:15:32.420 its annual fundraising dinner, striking a noticeably more somber tone this year.

00:15:38.360 Per tradition, the evening usually features remarks from the president and a comedian

00:15:42.680 roasting both the administration and the press. But this year, comedian Amber Ruffin's set was

00:15:48.360 canceled after backlash over comments she made referring to members of the Trump administration

00:15:53.060 as murderers. President Trump and White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt both declining their

00:15:58.460 invitations, just as President Trump did in his first term. Also notably absent, the usual roster

00:16:04.240 of A-list celebrities, a sharp contrast from years past when personalities like Bradley Cooper and

00:16:10.300 Scarlett Johansson filled the room. President of the association, Eugene Daniels, choosing to deliver the

00:16:16.200 keynote speech instead.

00:16:18.460 We journalists are a lot of things. We are competitive and pushy. We are impatient. And sometimes we think

00:16:24.480 we know everything. But we're also human. We miss our families and significant life moments in

00:16:30.300 service to this job. We care deeply about accuracy and take seriously the heavy responsibility of being

00:16:36.520 stewards of the public's trust. What we are not is the opposition. What we are not is the enemy of the

00:16:43.700 people. And what we are not is the enemy of the state. Daniels recently left Politico to co-host a weekend

00:16:49.720 show on left-wing cable news network MSNBC, a network devoted to criticizing and demonizing President

00:16:56.300 Trump. Media summarizing the event about themselves as follows. The Washington Post writing, quote,

00:17:03.000 without comedy or the president, correspondence dinner presses on. From the New York Times, quote,

00:17:08.520 Washington's besieged journalists raise a cocktail glass darkly. ABC News writing, quote,

00:17:15.540 there was no president. There was no comedian. What remained at the White House Correspondents

00:17:20.540 Association's annual dinner on Saturday night were the journalists and the First Amendment.

00:17:26.540 NBC anchor Kristen Welker presenting an award for overall excellence in White House coverage

00:17:31.020 to reporter Alex Thompson of Axios. In accepting the award, Mr. Thompson acknowledging the media's

00:17:37.120 failures and delivering a blunt message about the responsibility journalists owe the public.

00:17:42.140 President Biden's decline and its cover-up by the people around him is a reminder that every

00:17:49.780 White House, regardless of party, is capable of deception. But being truth-tellers also means

00:17:56.480 telling the truth about ourselves. We, myself included, missed a lot of this story.

00:18:02.800 And some people trust us less because of it. We bear some responsibility for faith in the media

00:18:10.380 being at such lows. I say this because acknowledging errors builds trust. And being defensive about them

00:18:19.000 further erodes it. We should have done better. Yeah, except we, Alex, didn't really miss the Biden

00:18:26.400 story at all. The entire corporate media intentionally ignored or actively buried or downplayed it. So

00:18:33.720 it's not really a matter of acknowledging errors. How about we start with, quote, what's true there?

00:18:41.280 And that'll do it for your AM Update. I'm Megan Kelly. Join me back here for The Megan Kelly Show,

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New Details About Cause of Helicopter-Plane Crash, Trump and Zelensky Face-To-Face： AM Update 4⧸28

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